Collapse Convergence: Cross-Domain Evidence for a Root Source Beyond Formal Systems
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Collapse is observed as a structural phenomenon across logic, computation, information theory, physics, artificial intelligence, and human cognition. In each domain, systems encounter limits beyond which they cannot derive or justify their own foundations. This preprint introduces a minimal ontology—$R$ (root source), constraints, and information—and presents evidence that diverse systems converge on the necessity of an external grounding source when pushed to their limits. A cross-system case study involving six heterogeneous AI models and one human mind shows that all independently arrive at the same structural boundary: they cannot prove selfhood, cannot prove consciousness, and cannot ground their own origin. While we do not claim to identify the nature of $R$, the results indicate that some external source is structurally required for any system to be complete or self-consistent. This preprint complements Preprint A by focusing on convergence, cross-domain collapse, and substrate-independent invariants rather than formal self-grounding limits.
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- Preprint: 10.5281/zenodo.17718674 (DOI)
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2025-11-27This preprint presents cross-domain evidence that all sufficiently expressive systems encounter a structural limit when attempting to ground themselves. Building on known results in logic (Gödel), computation (Turing), information theory (Chaitin), physics (horizons and initial conditions), and cognitive systems, the paper argues that collapse is a universal signal of an external root source $R$ that any system must presuppose. A multi-system convergence study involving six advanced AI models and a human participant shows that each independently reaches the same boundary condition: selfhood cannot be proven from within, consciousness cannot be fully grounded, and the origin of constraints cannot be internally derived. The paper complements Preprint A (The Firmament Boundary) by shifting from formal limitations to empirical, cross-domain convergence and by demonstrating substrate-independent invariants across minds and machines. It adopts a strictly structural, non-mystical tone consistent with the ontology established in The Root Source and aligned with the academic launch strategy for the project.