Bill Stoddard wrote:
>>No one likes commercial spam.
>>
>>
>And no one like unsolicited political spam. End of story.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
Except perhaps for the people in charge.
Owen

*Political spam on your cell phone?*
By Lisa M. Bowman
Special to ZDNet News
August 22, 2002, 12:05 PM PT
URL:
*In a decision that treats text messaging on mobile phones essentially
the same as bumper stickers, the Federal Election Commission has
declared that senders of text-based political ads don't have to disclose
who funded them.*
In an advisory opinion issued Thursday, the FEC also suggested such
messages include either a phone number or Web site link, so people could
easily learn who paid for the message. However, the additional
information won't be required.
The opinion could encourage the adoption of text-based political ads, as
campaign experts look for new technological ways to sway voters. At the
same time, opponents of the plan fear it could lead to anonymous
political spam.
Target Wireless, a small New Jersey-based wireless media company, had
asked the FEC for an opinion on the matter, saying that requiring
financial disclosures on short messaging service (SMS) mailings would
use up too much of the 160 character-maximum.
Political messages on bumper stickers and buttons are also exempt from
the financial disclosure requirement. Target Wireless' petition was
supported by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Cellular
Telecommunications and Internet Association, and some advertising trade
groups.
FEC spokesman Bob Biersack said the opinion was in keeping with the
commission's policy not to meddle with new technology that has the
potential to reach more voters.
"We have tried very hard not to get in the way--particularly before
everyone understands how the technology is going to work," he said.
Opponents of the plan have worried the exemption might encourage spam or
allow senders to blast people with mass amounts of negative political
messages while remaining anonymous.
Biersack said the FEC can revisit the issue if those problems surface.
Target Wireless President Craig Krueger characterized the opinion as
"good for America."
"It will allow people to receive more communication from those running
for office," he said. "We have free speech on our side."


On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote:
--]Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked
--]out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK?
Oh please. Walking sideways like that is bad for your shoes.
Though it is kinda cute when you get all reasonomatic
bang bang
have a nice day.


Dan Brickley wrote:
> Except that thanks to the magic of spam, it's usually some else's locale
yeah, physical mail makes more sense for physical locales.
> There are better technical solutions to privacy
> protection than sending a copy of the same message to everyone on the
> Internet, so the recipients can't be blamed for reading it.
Such as?
Anything equivalent will be spam, just not email spam.  Dump entry IPs for
an anonymizing network onto a public bulletin board that's used for other
purposes -- still spam.  Etc etc.
I'm not arguing against other solutions, I'm arguing that spam is speech.
If you let governments ban it, you're giving them the power to choose who
gets to speak.
- Lucas


me:
> >Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited
> >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.
>
Russell Turpin:
> That depends on how the list is collected, or
> even on what the senders say about how the list
> is collected. Better to just put it on a website,
> and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND
> it doesn't clutter my inbox.
It doesn't work that way.  A website is opt-in, spam is no-opt.  If you
visit a samizdat site you can get in trouble.  If you get samizdat spam,
the worst that can be said is that you might have read it.  And as long as
the mailers send to individuals who clearly didn't opt-in, like party
officials, then other recipients can't get in trouble for requesting the
mail.
Plus, it's much harder to block spam than web sites.
But this shouldn't come as a surprize.  Spam is speech.  It may be sleazy,
but so what.
- Lucas


XviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a
company  looking to put out hardware to playback, amongst other things,
divx files. Problem is Sigma is using XviDs gpled code in ways not very
gpl. The  results....XviD stops work on thier code and ask the users to
put preasure  on Sigma to honor the GPL.
Some notes from other places....
>>From Doom9 [3]
"XviD development has been stopped! The Sigma Designs REALMagic MPEG-4
Video Codec contains wide portions of code taken from the XviD project.
Soon after the initial release of the REALMagic codec the XviD developers
have contacted Sigma and informed them about the GPL violation (for those
who don't know, XviD is distributed under the GNU Public License - GPL -
which demands that if you modify a GPL program you have to release it
under the GPL, which in this case means that the source code of the Sigma
codec must be freely available). Sigma promised to replace the stolen
code, but the new version of the codec which was released this month only
disguises the stolen code, it was not actually removed. Sigma was once
again contacted and asked to remove the offending code but until today
nothing has happened. Therefore the XviD team is now turning to the public
in the hope to receive wide public support in their efforts to convince
Sigma Designs to respect the terms of the GPL. And until the matter has
been resolved XviD development will not continue.
That being said I hope all the forum members who saw their threads about
the Sigma Codecs being closed will understand our motivation now.
Internally we already knew what was going on but since the XviD authors
first wanted to try and resolve this internally we respected their wishes
and kept quiet about the matter at hand.
[Update] Sigma has issued a press release announcing the availability of
the source code of their MPEG-4 codec and it's already up for download.
However, not a word was lost about the XviD issue and the press release
makes one think that the Sigma codec was entirely developed by Sigma so we
might be hearing more about this.
[Update] I found a GPL notice in some of the source code files, but it
also looks like Sigma placed their own copyright lines there and XviD
doesn't get any credit in the source either. The GPL notice also collides
with Sigma's Software Licensing Agreement that you have to sign before
downloading codec or source. On on the same issue DivXNetworks said they'd
fully support XviD in this issue and apparently DXn's relationship with
Sigma didn't really work out either, as Sigma's Xcard is not as DivX
compatible as it was advertised.
[Update]First an update on the XviD situation. The release of the Sigma
source code does not mean it's all over, it's far from being over. The
license agreement which you have to agree to before you can download, and
install the codec is not compatible with the GPL. Furthermore, it can now
clearly be seen (download the source code and have a look for yourself)
that the Sigma codec is pretty much a copy of the XviD codec, but all the
copyright notices of the original developers have been removed and
replaced. This does not only violate the GPL but copyright laws - you
can't just take a program, change a few lines and change the copyright
statements, you only have copyright protection for the parts you wrote on
your own. And related to this the Sigma codec also contains code taken
from the OpenDivX project, the files were outfitted with 2 different
copyright notices which is quite funny."
[1]
[2]
[3]


> Russell Turpin:
> > That depends on how the list is collected, or
> > even on what the senders say about how the list
> > is collected.
Senders should vary the recipient list to include non-targets, like party
officials, and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible
deniability.
- Lucas


On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Tom wrote:
--]
--]XviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a
Sorry, Sigma Designs should be the [2] not the [1]


from
"There has mostly been talk thus far and little action, but the Department
of Justice says it may be ready to file criminal lawsuits against
individuals [1] who distribute or receive unauthorized copyrighted
material over the Internet. Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Malcolm believes
that "criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to
preserve the viability of America's content industries." Malcolm also
believes that people who trade copyrighted material think they are
participating in a legal activity. I certainly think people who download
copyrighted works understand that such distribution--barring provisions
such as fair use--is not authorized, and it is not surprising to see
businesses continue to look for means to discourage distribution of
copyrighted works.
"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful...I think
they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal
prosecution," said [RIAA President Cary] Sherman, who was on the same
conference panel.
I'm not too confident that lawsuits would have the effect Sherman is
hoping for. Although infrequent, there have already been civil suits or
warnings issued to private individuals, and they have served as minor
deterrents to the file-sharing community at large. Criminal lawsuits
carrying with them the possibility of prison sentences may generate
further animosity against groups such as the RIAA and may be difficult to
initiate because of the "schooling" effect of millions of systems
participating in file sharing. Only servers would seem to stand out from
the crowd.
The article cites the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act [2], which defines
illegal  activity and maximum penalties for copyright infringement:
Criminal infringement: Any person who infringes a copyright willfully for
purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or by the
reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any
180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more
copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000....
For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution
of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish
willful infringement.
...
The term "financial gain" includes receipt, or expectation of receipt, of
anything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works.
Therefore, receipt of a work of value would be defined as "financial gain"
even if no money is involved. The NET Act excerpt does not clarify how the
value of a work is determined; an album or movie could be worth only $15
to millions of dollars depending on whether the value is assessed from the
perspective of the consumer or copyright holder.
The statute of limitations:
507. Limitations on actions
(a) Criminal Proceedings.--No criminal proceeding shall be maintained
under the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within five
years after the cause of action arose.
(b) Civil Actions.--No civil action shall be maintained under the
provisions of this title unless it is commenced within three years after
the claim accrued.
The penalties are too extensive to list here, but they can be found in
Section 2319: Criminal infringement of a copyright. In general, first-time
criminal offenses will carry a maximum prison sentence of 1 year.
I'm still not sure where the DOJ would start in choosing people to
prosecute because of the aforementioned "schooling" effect, but my guess
would be that, just like speeding, primarily the most prominent
individuals who operate large servers or transfer the most data will be
targeted in order to discourage more recreational file sharers. Thanks to
MonaLisaOverdrive for pointing out this story.
"
[1]
[2]


On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Tom wrote:
> from
>
> "There has mostly been talk thus far and little action, but the
> Department of Justice says it may be ready to file criminal lawsuits
> against individuals [1] who distribute or receive unauthorized
> copyrighted material over the Internet.
And yet STILL noone is out there creating _public domain_ content. Is there
even one person out there can can even begin to talk without being a
complete hypocrite? And no the "open source" people cant talk either, the
GPL aint even close. I know I cant talk.
If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so
simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books.
Fair use needs to be clarified a bit and then I hope they start locking
people up. How else do i ever have hope of finding a job working for someone
that makes things people are supposed to ... *drumroll* pay for.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
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beberg@mithral.com


> From:  "J. W. Ballantine"
> Date:  Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:31 -0400
>
> I CVS'ed the unseen/Sequences changes and installed them, and have only one
> real issue.
>
> I use the unseen window rather than the exmh icon, and with the new code
> I can't seem to be able to.  How many unseen when when I have the main window open
> is not really necessary.
hmmm, I stole the code from unseenwin, but I never tested it since I don't use
that functionality.  Consider it on my list of things to check.
Chris
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Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote:
> problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same
> problems over and over again when there are some many more important and
> interesting problems (high level) to be solved ?????
Amen!
Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man
(or less of a kiddie).
- Joe


If I have any RPMS in

that could be useful to some one with a real apt repository or someone who wants to
maintain a package, be it known I am not selfish :)
I found stuff I thought would later get popular so I would not have to maintain the
RPMs for them after they hit the big time. Gnump3d is an exapmple of this.
So if anyone is psyched, go for it. If so, let me know so I can get the RPMs from
you in the future.
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote:
> 2.  C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory
> management over and over again.  IMHO, Java is superior because the problem
> of programming in the future is not about 0's and 1's, making the compiler
> 2% faster, or making your code take 5% less memory... It's about design
> patterns, architecture, high level stuff...
Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or
device drivers - C still rules the world.
> 3.  Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform... There
> is NOTHING like the standard API's in Java in C and C++.  Everyone defines
> their own API's, people end up solving the same problems ten different ways
The problem is the problem you're trying to solve is never the same. Java
will soon suffer API-rot (alot of poeple are already complaining about it),
it's just new. C was clean in the beginning too. API-rot is PURELY a
function of age.
> 4.  If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you
> can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within
> the same magnitude of cost as Java....
I do this all the time, It's alot easier then you think if the original
programmer had a clue at all... Java does remove the clue requirement tho,
just adds a huge testing requirement, QA guys aren't as cheap ;)
> 5.  Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a
> person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the
> individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is
> to reverse engineer C (large applications).
No it's not, but you can hire teams of Javites for cheap at your local high
school. Java is about cutting costs and commoditizing programming - and it's
working!
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
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beberg@mithral.com


>
> 6.  Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance
> difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more.
When out-of-the-box parsing & transform of XML in java is 25x slower than
C++ on the same hardware then it does matter.


Adam Beberg:
>Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or
>device drivers - C still rules the world.
There is a lot of C++ in the embedded world. With
static object allocation and a few other programming
techniques, performance differences disappear, but
C++ gives a boost in development and maintainability.
The real issue is compiler availability. Almost every
embedded platform has C cross-compilers. Many have
C++ compilers. But there is still a range of
platforms that have the first but not the second. Or
at least, that was the story a few years ago.
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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:14:17PM +0100, Paul Jakma mentioned:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, kevin lyda wrote:
>
> > gnu date is limited by time_t.  but i thought time_t expired in 2037?
> > this seems to show it expiring in 2038:
>
> (2^31-1)/3600/24/365+1970
> 2038
>
> course, on UltraSparc, x86-64, IA64, alpha, etc:
>
> (2^63-1)/3600/24/365+1970
> 292471210647
>
> so we should be safe enough.
May I assume that x86-64 will be able to use a 64bit time_t too?
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
> Adam Beberg:
> >Considering 90% of the fake job posting I see are for embedded systems or
> >device drivers - C still rules the world.
>
> There is a lot of C++ in the embedded world. With static object
> allocation and a few other programming techniques, performance
> differences disappear, but C++ gives a boost in development and
> maintainability.
Agreed, not much difference there. With C it just doesnt seem as wrong to
be crawling around in registers and things. Quite frankly you cant fit
_that_ big of a project into a 32K ROM, so large project issues dont matter
as much in the embedded world.
And in the realtime space, or when you have data coming in at 2Gbit/sec
[fibrechannel], every cycle DOES count.
> The real issue is compiler availability. Almost every embedded platform
> has C cross-compilers. Many have C++ compilers. But there is still a
> range of platforms that have the first but not the second. Or at least,
> that was the story a few years ago.
Definately still very very true. C++ compilers are still a rarity.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
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Reza B'Far wrote:
>This thread kind of surprises me... I started coding with C, then C++, and
>moved on to Java... And, I think that:
Looks like a case of "MY experience is comprehensive, YOUR'S is
anecdotal, THEY don't know what they're talking about".
>1.  The people who pay the wages don't give a flyin' heck what programming
>language you write things in... they just want it to work.
In my experience, they do care.  It has to work certainly, and in
particular it has to work with what they've already got, and it has to
work on client's systems.
My limited experience of Java started a few years ago when support on
Linux was so terrible that I ran away screaming and haven't come back yet.
Microsoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows.
They took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a
service pack.  Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to
run C programs.
>2.  C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory
>management over and over again.
Can't say I spend any noticeable amount of time on memory management
issues, apart from the fact that I frequently need > 4 GB.
>It's about design patterns, architecture, high level stuff...
If your problem just requires application of a "design pattern" to solve,
then it's trivial anyway irrespective of language.
>I am amazed by the amount of time wasted by people talking about low
>level problems that have been solved 10 million times over and over
>and over again...
You appear to be gratuitously asserting that C programmers waste time
on irrelevant low-level problems and Java programmers don't.  Depends
entirely on the programmer, not the language.
>3.  Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform...
Buzzword.
>a monolithic set of API's or a crap load of different API's slicing
>and dicing the same problems 50 different ways?
Unsupported assertion.
>4.  If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you
>can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within
>the same magnitude of cost as Java....
Dunno.  E.g., I ported a wee 15000-line C program to Darwin on PowerPC
in a few minutes yesterday.  Sure if it was badly designed it would be
10 times the size and harder to port.  If it depended on unavailable
libraries it would be much harder.  Portable code is easy to port.
At least that is the case when then language you used is available on
the target platform: I also run on ARM systems with no proper Java.
>5.  Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a
>person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the
>individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is
>to reverse engineer C (large applications).
You can pay a good programmer to solve your problem now, or else get
some kids to hack spaghetti Fortran in any language and then pay for
maintenance headaches ad infinitum.
>6.  Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance
>difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more.
Whoah!!!  Performance matters to me every day.  (Right now I'm taking
time out to write email while waiting for a job to run).  Sure I could
wait 5 years until everyone's PC is fast enough to generate random EC's
in no time, when any twit will be able to program inefficient code
that is fast enough and the market will be overrun by competitors,
or I can do it now when very few people can.
>The end goal is the scientific or business problem to be solved.
Yes.
>And for those problems, languages such as Java, SmallTalk, and others
>allow you to think more high level than low level.  Thinking of bits
>and bytes takes too much gray matter away from the real important
>problems....
It's true!  I admit everything!  Mea maxima culpa!  Working in C makes
me spend all day thinking base, rank thoughts about hard-core bitography!
Not.
Actually I spend most of my time thinking in high-level mathematics.
>Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same problems
>over and over again [...]
Dunno, and frankly I don't see the relevance to the issue at hand.
I'm sure Java is fine for some stuff, as is C or whatever.  Horses for
courses.
Bye,
Rob.
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I need to setup a VPN between a few sites. From what I've read, the the
choices come down (on the Linux side) to IPsec (using FreeSWAN) or CIPE.
It seems that FreeSWAN is 'better', being an implementation of IPsec which
is a standard. However, CIPE does the job as well for Linux clients and is
somewhat simpler to setup.
The problem is that it's not a pure Linux situation - a couple of the sites
run OS-X. I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to find an implementation of
IPsec for OS-X, but I think CIPE is Linux only.
So, the question is for those of you have have implemented BOTH - is there a
significant difference in setup time and hassle between CIPE and FreeSWAN ?
If CIPE is going to be much easier than dealing with FreeSWAN (and whatever
on the OS-X sites) then I'll simply get a Linux box for each of the remote
sites - with the low price of hardware, it doesn't take much more complexity
in software to make buying hardware to use simpler software economic.
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I have been trying to research via SA mirrors and search engines if a canned
script exists giving clients access to their user_prefs options via a
web-based CGI interface. Numerous ISPs provide this feature to clients, but
so far I can find nothing. Our configuration uses Amavis-Postfix and ClamAV
for virus filtering and Procmail with SpamAssassin for spam filtering. I
would prefer not to have to write a script myself, but will appreciate any
suggestions.
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I am trying to manage the email for a domain which I have hosted with
hosting365, and am trying to get the whole email send and receive thing
working nice and easily.
At the moment I have configured Fetchmail to poll the different pop3
mailboxes and deliver the mail accordingly, although it appears that I have
to have only one unix user being able to receive from each pop3 mailbox.
This could be a limitation of the fetchmailconf programme, I'm not sure, but
It would be much handier if I could just tell it to collect all of the mail
from the different mailboxes, and then deliver it locally according to the
"To:" header instead of the pop3 mailbox it came from.
The other issue I am having is sending outgoing mail.  I have been trying to
use sendmail, but am finding it to be an absolute pain in the posterior, and
when the relay server will only accept outgoing connections if I have
checked for incoming mail in the last twenty minutes, and I don't know how
to set sendmail to run a command before it sends out the mail.  Do any of
the outgoing mailer programs, exim or postfix or whatever, have a 'nice'
configuration interface, or do they all have nice friendly configuration
files like sendmail.
Any suggestions of alternative solutions would be much appreciated.  There
are only three or four email addresses in my domain, and setting it up for
scheduled collection and either scheduled or immediate delivery would do me
fine.
Thanks,
David.
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Senior Technical Consultant
HP Ireland
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Hi All,
I'm trying to set up the following:
1. A Linux server running with a modem for internet connectivity and an
ethernet card for LAN connectivity
2. Other LAN pcs with ethernet cards, using the Linux server for
DNS/DHCP etc.
Basically, I want to route any non LAN traffic through the ppp0.
I've got some of the way, but like a similar post earlier about modem
problems, when I am connected to the internet with eht0 up, the routing
is all incorrect and noting goes out through ppp0 (eh0 must be the
default route or something).
Is there standard "out of the box" Linux tools that will carry out
portmapping on behalf of the LAN PCs ?  (I'm planning on non routable
addresses 192.168.x.x for the LAN, routed outwards via the ppp0
interface).
Can someone point me at the right HOWTOs or routing documentation I need
to follow ?
Thanks,
Dermot.
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Hi Dermot, if have a look at one of the dists. like www.smoothwall.org, it
will save you lots of time and effort, and should do eveything you want.
Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ilug-admin@linux.ie On Behalf Of
> Dermot Daly
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:46 AM
> To: ilug@linux.ie
> Subject: [ILUG] What HOWTOs for SOHO system
>
>
> Hi All,
> I'm trying to set up the following:
>
> 1. A Linux server running with a modem for internet connectivity and an
> ethernet card for LAN connectivity
> 2. Other LAN pcs with ethernet cards, using the Linux server for
> DNS/DHCP etc.
>
> Basically, I want to route any non LAN traffic through the ppp0.
>
> I've got some of the way, but like a similar post earlier about modem
> problems, when I am connected to the internet with eht0 up, the routing
> is all incorrect and noting goes out through ppp0 (eh0 must be the
> default route or something).
>
> Is there standard "out of the box" Linux tools that will carry out
> portmapping on behalf of the LAN PCs ?  (I'm planning on non routable
> addresses 192.168.x.x for the LAN, routed outwards via the ppp0
> interface).
>
> Can someone point me at the right HOWTOs or routing documentation I need
> to follow ?
> Thanks,
> Dermot.
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I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon.  :-)
Justin
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone point me to a howto on running mailing lists. Not looking for
> anything that is  package specific, but rather something that
> gives general
> info on the various Email headers and dealing with returned
> mails, errors in
> transport etc..
>
> Thanks
>
> Justin
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Ray Dermody's [DERMODYR@ITCARLOW.IE] 20 lines of wisdom included:
> Hi All,
> The serial number in our hosts files on our DNS server has gone
> corrupt e.g. 2002082999999999901 should be 20002082901.
> Its okay to set this back to todays date but I understand that our
> secondary and terninary DNS servers will only update from the master
> hosts file if the master host serial number is greater than the current
> serial number in the hosts file.
> Is there any way I can reset this on the secondary and terninary DNS
> servers?
Once you have the serial changed on the master DNS server, remove
the appropiate zone(s) on your slaves, and refresh your DNS servers.
Bind has a special case, if you set the serial to '0' I think. DNS &
Bind should have something on that.
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Justin MacCarthy wrote:
> I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon.  :-)
Mailman ;-)
Trust me, you do *not* want to running your own mailing lists
on your own software.
You'll wind up crying in a dark room looking for something
high-voltage to stick your fingers into.
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Hi All,
Damian Conway is in Belfast this week. He will be giving two talks:
o Perl 6 - Tuesday, 3rd September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast
o Quantum::Superpositions - Thursday, 5th September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast
He is also doing training courses...

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|::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|
IT's Monday 520      02 September 2002
|::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|
STUDENT LIFE BEGINS WITH LINUX
by
John Sterne
The launch last month of a marketing special interest group by the
Irish Linux Users Group (ILUG)  -  open source and marketing, it
seems, might not be mutually exclusive concepts  -  has already
sparked an interesting initiative at University College Cork.  When
the new academic year begins at UCC, every incoming student will
be offered a copy of Red Hat Linux 7.3.
ILUG member Braun Brelin proposed this promotion, when he ran a
training class for staff at the UCC computer science department.
Brelin, who is the director of technology at OpenApp, says that the
Linux offer could be extended to any or all of the other Irish
universities.
The user group is tapping into an international Red Hat programme
that aims to introduce students at all levels to the open source
style of computing.  The Linux distributor runs an 'educational
channel' to reach this audience, bundling educational software
with its operating environment and offering networked support
services to eligible applicants.  This scheme was originally designed
to suit the educational structures in the US, but is now available to
schools and universities throughout the world.
Red Hat Linux 7.3 incorporates ease of use and maintenance
features and is intended to counter objections that Linux is hard to
master on personal systems.
The Linux-for-all project at UCC could also raise the profile of Red
Hat Ireland.  Based in Cork, this operation has run shared financial
services for other Red Hat offices in Europe since 2000.  Until now
its involvement with users in Ireland has been fairly limited,
although it does sometimes refer them to other Red Hat offices in
Europe that offer consulting or technical support services.
David Owens, Red Hat's director of global logistics and production,
sees the formation of the ILUG marketing group as a reason to take
a more proactive approach.  In the last three months, he notes, his
office in Cork has received more and more calls from Irish
companies that are interested in adopting Linux and has introduced
some to Red Hat pre-sales consultants.
-------------
Many thanks are due to Braun and David for working together on this one.
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Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach?
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I just saw the ISOs on an internal server here and was tempted....
D.
-----Original Message-----
From: John P. Looney
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:45 PM
To: HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2)
Cc: 'ilug@linux.ie'
Subject: Re: [ILUG] Redhat 8.0
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:22:54PM +0100, HAMILTON,DAVID (HP-Ireland,ex2)
mentioned:
> Does anyone know when Redhat 8.0 is going to be released?
> I have seen some ISO images of it around and I am trying to work out
> if it's near release.
Null, the third beta was out last week.
It'll be an interesting release. Gnome 2.0, and GCC 3.2 - both very new,
large projects.
I'd not be putting it on any production machines for a while...
Though many say "RedHat X.0 releases are rubbish" - it's worth baring in
mind that they jump a release when the underlying archtechture changes, not
just the installer, so they are .0 for a reason.
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ok, so if i was in the uk for a wekk, how might i configure my laptop to
dial in to a freebie isp?  redhat's internet connection wizard actually
has settings for uk isp's, but freeserve is the only one i recognize
and it doen't seem to work.
has anyone here done this?
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If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under
Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there.
>>>Reg Clemens said:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > in messages with GnuPG signatures.  But punching the line ALWAYS
> > > gives
> > >
> > >         Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD
F997A
> > >         Can't check signature: public key not found
> > >
> > > So, something else is missing.
> >
> > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
> >
> > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
> > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from
> > which you know you have the public key.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.
> But no.
> Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi
le
> it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.
> Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.
>
> Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there
> must be something else that I am missing...
>
>
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Vernon,
I'm changing the instructions in the SpamAssassin INSTALL file
right now to:
tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z
cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X
./configure && make && make install
cdcc 'info'
Let me know ASAP if that's innapropriate, since we're shipping
2.40 today!
C
On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 10:02  AM, Vernon Schryver wrote:
>> Here are the instructions in the spamassassin README:
>>
>>     # tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z
>>     # cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X
>>     # ./configure && make && make install
>>     # cdcc 'new map'
>>     # cdcc 'add dcc.rhyolite.com'
>>     # cdcc 'info'
>
> That's ok, except that the 'new map' and "add dcc.rhyolite.com'
> are respectively unnecessary and wrong.  The map file that comes
> with the source points to localhost and dcc.dcc-servers.net.  Those
> two shipped entries usually do the right thing if there is a local
> server.  If there is no local server or if the local server fails,
> requests are instantly sent to one of the public server names listed
> in the main DCC web page at
>  and
> servers.net/dcc/
> dcc.rhyolite.com has not been listed for months.


On September 2, kialllists@redpie.com said:
> OS-X is linux
>
Er, no it's not. It's kinda BSD-related, but it's definitely not
Linux.
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> From: Paul Linehan
>
> There are two open alternatives that I can think of
> that don't appear to have been mentioned
> elsewhere in this thread.
>
>
> One is Firebird (this is my personal favourite).
> It is  and you can
> purchase support contracts here
> www.ibphoenix.com.
Indeedy - I had never even heard of firebird until we started a new job
last week with a client who uses it.  So we popped it onto a box
downstairs and wow - it is fast.  Comes with some lovely client tools
also.  Supports all the db goodies, transactions, stored procedures,
triggers.
> It's really amazing to think how much they've got
> out of a db that is only 4 MB in size - that's 10
> times smaller than the Oracle *_client_*.
>
>
> Having said all of the above, Oracle is really
> a super product, but ya pays ya money...
>
IBM's db2 is another cheaper alternative to Oracle.  Free single
developer license downloadable from their website.
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Here's a weird and wacky problem:
I'm currently out of the country with my trusty Evo N600c laptop. When I
tried to use the serial port to talk to my mobile phone, Linux behaved
pretty much as if the port was fried. Bizarre, I thought, because I'd
used it successfully while in the office. The only difference was that I
was trying the thing in the hotel. I entertained brief notions of having
somehow fried the serial drivers, then rebooted the laptop to Windows
and tried again. Worked perfectly. Back to Linux. Still not talking.
Considered that it might be flaky power, so I ran the laptop on battery.
Nope. Tried moving the laptop to a differnet part of the room where
there might be less bogon flux. Still not working. Eventually I gave up
and used the IrDA port instead - which is usually the serial connection
of doom, grief, and teeth-grinding.
This morning, in the office, the damn thing is working without a hitch.
Anyone like to suggest what mystery technology is in use in the hotel
that prevents serial ports from working under Linux?
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On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:06:14PM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned:
> OK I'm upgrading vorbis on my machine and I'm getting
> the following:
>
> # rpm -U libvorbis-* vorbis-tools-1.0-1.i386.rpm
> error: failed dependencies:
> 	libvorbisfile.so.0   is needed by SDL_mixer-1.2.0-4
> 	libvorbisfile.so.0   is needed by xmms-1.2.5-7
> 	libvorbisfile.so.0   is needed by tuxracer-0.61-5
>
> This is because the new libvorbis.rpm only has libvorbisfile.so.3
> So is this a problem in the other packages depending on
> a specific version (libvorbisfile.so.0) rather than on the
> generic libvorbis.so ?
This is a pain.
The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the
original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do:
rpm -Uvh libvorbis-*
RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time,
and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already
installed is beyond me.
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John P. Looney wrote:
>  The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the
> original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do:
>
>  rpm -Uvh libvorbis-*
>
>  RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time,
> and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already
> installed is beyond me.
Does using the --oldpackage flag help your pain, or is your pain caused
by "Obsoletes" flags?
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David Neary said:
>
> For the francophones among you, this article is a summary of the
> reasons why most free software licences (and the GPL in
> particular) are not valid in France.
>
>
>
> Google translation (hard to read most of the time, but good
> enough to pick up the gist)
>
>
>
> In brief, in an international contract, when mentioning copyright,  you
> must mention under which jurisdiction's laws the copyright
> is applied. French law requires the licence to be available in
> French (the GPL isn't). And French law requires that for a
> contract to be valid, it must not breach existing law. Also under
> French law, the copyright holder automatically retains the right
> to change the licence, which means that French law is in conflict
> with the GPL, which requires authorisation from all authors
> before a licence change is allowed.
>
> Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale
> without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is
> breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that.
My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also
nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all
claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered "with all faults", so
at least they are honest).
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Date:        Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500
From:        Chris Garrigues
Message-ID:
| The background color in this window is the same as the background
| color in the ftoc.
That's what I'd like to vary - particularly as the ftoc background isn't
constant - messages in the unseen sequence have a different background
than others.
In the ftoc that's fine, but in the sequences window, it isn't needed.
unseen already has a different foreground there (no problem with that),
it doesn't need a different background as well.
I'll play about a bit with this, and with making it vertical instead of
horizontal, and see what turns up.
| The only sequences that are defined there are sequences which are defined
| in app-defaults-color or ~/exmh/exmh-defaults-color.
OK.
| I've been thinking about how to dynamically generate highlighting for
| other sequences, but haven't got that figured out yet.
In this case, highlighting wasn't what I was most concerned about.
A method to get messages in & out of sequences comes first, how it
displays is a secondary consideration.   But as a suggestion, have an
"all unknown" sequence highlight, any message in a sequence which has
no defined highlighting (where defined includes defined to not be treated
specially) gets highlighted the same way (maybe something as boring as
a dark brown text colour - almost indistinguishable from the normal black)
| > > Any chance of making the current message a little brighter background?
|
| I don't see any reason why not.  Experiment and let me know what works for you.
Done some of that.   First, the most significant change came from changing
relief from raised to sunken.   I don't know why, but it just looks better
(for me anyway).   But even with that, cur and unseen are still just a
bit too similar.   I ended up using
*sequence_cur:  -background {PaleGoldenrod} -relief sunken -borderwidth 2
The unnecessary braces are just because some of the colours I was using
had spaces in their names.   PaleGoldenrod translates as #eee8aa which
is probably safer for generic use.
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Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net.
I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've
reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the
emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that
only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as
unread from the html interface.
Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all
the emails and remove them off the server.
It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do
this.
Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't
fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account.
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Seems fetchmail has a -a switch to get it all.
Just need to install fetchmail now :)
Glen
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:17, Stephane Dudzinski wrote:
> Funny enough, that also happened to a Friend of mine who uses both the
> web interface and a pop client. Last time i tried to send a picture
> which was around 100k, it got denied saying that quota was exceeded.
> When he looked at his account on the web, it mentionned 5 MB free, so i
> have no idea what they're playing at ...
>
> Doesn't really help but just wanted to confirm the problem.
>
> Steph
>
> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:10, Glen Gray wrote:
> > Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net.
> >
> > I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've
> > reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the
> > emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that
> > only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as
> > unread from the html interface.
> >
> > Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all
> > the emails and remove them off the server.
> >
> > It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do
> > this.
> >
> > Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't
> > fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> >
> >
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It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports
PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a
bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on,
which would defeat the purpose of getting a router.
The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this,
but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy
online from America or the UK.
Hope this is useful,
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On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:43:11AM +0100, Ciaran Johnston wrote:
> > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale
> > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is
> > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that.
>
> My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also
> nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all
> claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered "with all faults", so
> at least they are honest).
Apparently the angle on this (i.e. selling without guarantee) is that
software is not a product which is sold but a service which is licensed - at
least that's what I remember reading about how M$ gets away with providing
no guarantee in the U.S. If you're feeling rather deep pocketed, you could
always try suing M$ to get a court's view on the matter.
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having great fun trying to find a dumb ADSL modem with Ethernet
presentation, everybody wants to sell routers but I intend on doing pppoe
from another device, something with more than one Ethernet port would be
nice.
anybody got any recommendations ?
Uly
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Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo
> It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports
> PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a
> bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on,
> which would defeat the purpose of getting a router.
>
> The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this,
> but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy
> online from America or the UK.
>
> Hope this is useful,
> Joe
>
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On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:10:05PM +0100, Declan de Lacy Murphy wrote:
> I am planning to get i-stream solo and share it across a small network
> (wireless), but I don't want to have to pay eircom for a router and having a
> noisy pc running constantly isn't really an option because at home
> inevitably someone will unplug it.
>
> I have been looking at a number of products and although I read the thread
> about eircom needing pppoe last august I am still not sure if the one that I
> am interested in will do the job. It is a hawking technology ar 710
>   ) and if it does the job it
> will actually be cheaper than the modem eircom is selling.
>
> I would really appreciate if someone could look at the spec on the hawking
> web page and give me an opinion.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Declan
>
I got the DSL-W 906E from
Though it's not at all the best one around I have to say it does the job
and a bit. Some of the features can be a pain to get working (ie. pptp in
pppoe mode - can't figure it out). The documentation is not the best, but
the guys from  will help you ouit. They
also have a message board.
The command line interface is quite powerful, but absolutely not
userfriendly.
All in all it's a cheap desent performer, that I am happy enough with.
Got this one including a microfilter (not needed) for 140euro including
shipping. Better than any deal from Eircom.
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--- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster"
wrote:
>Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif
>and
>calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "
>
>DRS
>
Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name.
In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif
and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know?
Scott
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Subject: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup
> --- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster"
wrote:
> >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif
> >and
> >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "
> >
> >DRS
> >
>
> Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its
name.
> In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif
> and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know?
>
> Scott
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> Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake"
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So, I've been letting the little .exe of SETI@Home run endlessly on my PC .  Last total for this upgrade approx.
420 hours of scanning time.  And still no ET.  I'm so disappointed.
Does anyone else on the list let Berkeley use their computer for research in this manner?

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A New Theory on Mapping the New World
By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 7, 2002; Page A07
In 1507, a group of scholars working in France produced an extraordinary map
of the world, the first to put the still-recent discoveries of Columbus and
others into a new continent separate from Asia, and to call that continent
"America." With the Waldseemuller map, the New World was born.
But there was something else. What would later come to be called South
America and Central America were surprisingly well-shaped, not only on the
east coast, where explorers had already sailed, but also on the west coast
-- which no European was known to have seen.
The ice cream cone bulge that sticks out into the Pacific at the junction of
modern-day Chile and Peru is readily visible and in almost exactly the right
geographical spot -- not only in the main map, but also in an inset printed
along its top.
The shape of South America in the main map appears distorted because of the
curvature of the Earth.
It is an improbable coincidence, if it was a coincidence, for the map -- 12
large printed pages to be arrayed in one 36-square-foot wall display -- was
published six years before Vasco Balboa's 1513 trip across the Isthmus of
Panama and 12 years before Ferdinand Magellan's 1519-22 trip around the
world.
Did someone get there earlier?
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I don't know how make of you are in the Bay Area but EFF is having a benifit
party ast the DNA Lounge in San Francisco tonight. Wil Weaton (Wesley Crussher
from star Trek TNG) will fight Barney the Dinasour.
Come on by if you're not doing anything.
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Understand, not enough caffeine absorbed yet this morning. (7:00AM here for
me)
DRS
> --- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster"
wrote:
> >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif
> >and
> >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' "
> >
> >DRS
> >
>
> Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its
name.
> In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif
> and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know?
>
> Scott
> "at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at
> Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake"
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Ananova:
Man admits Soham kidnapping hoax calls
A man has admitted making hoax calls to police investigating the
disappearance of Soham schoolgirls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells.
Wrexham Magistrates Court, in North Wales, heard jobless Howard Youde made
three calls to police in Cambridgeshire claiming to have abducted the
youngsters.
He was arrested in Wrexham in the early hours of August 16 when officers
traced the call to a phone box on the town's Brook Street.
The 45-year-old, of Queensway, Hope, near Wrexham, has pleaded guilty to one
count of wasting police time on August 15 this year.
The court was told Youde claimed to have no recollection of making the calls
having been drinking all day.
Defence lawyer Mark Arden says the offence was neither premeditated nor
calculated but added that this was no excuse.
He said: "What he's done is horrific. It's unforgivable. The distress he's
caused the families is unacceptable."
Youde has been released on unconditional bail until November 7 when he will
be sentenced.
The hearing has been adjourned for pre-sentence reports although the
defendant has been warned custody is an option.
Story filed: 12:36 Monday 7th October 2002
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> That always amazes me about 'regular' dreams - how often they come true.
>
In 1993 or so, when I was a student in Edinburgh, I had a bad dream about
being chased around a house by a scary murderous tramp who was carrying a
bag full of half-penny coins (which had long since ceased to be legal
tender). The next morning as I left the flat, I found a half-penny on the
doormat right outside our door. Fair gave me the willies, that did.
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> Anyone know what Quaoar means or stands for? Can't find it in the
> dictionary. Scrabble players should be happy!
>

Quaoar Their only god who 'came down from heaven; and, after reducing chaos
to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the
lower animals,' and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California
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>  > Ok, but you'll still let me leave that black and white one there too,
>>  right? I like that one!!!
>>  --
>>
>>
>>  Fel
>
>Okay.  I see you like that 1940's starlet look then....
>
>I should think about a bio bit, but maybe I'll just remain enigmatic and
>maintain my mystique*
>
>Helen of Troy
>*by Lentheric :-)
>
Or you could let me write one for you? Mind you ...... I know an
awful lot about you! ;-))
Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from
behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing.  looks
pretty innerestin'
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> Or you could let me write one for you? Mind you ...... I know an
> awful lot about you! ;-))
Oh, that could be interesting!
>
> Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from
> behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing.  looks
> pretty innerestin'
That bike is all that's between me and my modesty.  The other photos are not
for public consumption. :-)
> Fel
Helen of Troy
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On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 00:05, Matthias Saou wrote:
> It's 100% untested, although the build should be ok. The new menu was
> added, but some configuration files may be better with new or different
> defaults.
>
> Feedback is very welcome!
Looks good to me, just installed it, and ran a local scan, everything
worked smoothly.  Thanks a bunch!
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Just the headlines and URLs so I don't bore y'all too much....

As a US Republican, I reject George Bush's illegal and
unconstitutional plan to attack Iraq - Scott Ritter

Saudi Arabia may start fingerprinting Americans
Blair warned war to oust Saddam 'illegal'
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Using Razor2 via SpamAssasin.
System is Solaris 2.7, with qmail. Spamassassin run via user's procmail.
All users who use SA have run razor-register.
Razor2 is failing, and I can't find anything in the limited docs or on
google on it,
and I'm hoping someone can help.
The error (which doesn't prevent SA from working) is:
Oct  2 06:38:22 sancho2 qmail: 1033565902.186041 delivery 4588: success:
razor2_check_skipped:_Bad_file_number_Can't_locate_object_m
ethod_"new"_via_package_"Razor2::Client::Agent"_(perhaps_you_forgot_to_load_"Razor2::Client::Agent"?)_at_/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_p
erl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm_line_374./did_0+0+1/
Looking at Dns.pm doesn't really help me, and Razor2::Client::Agent appears
to be in the right place,
in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client.
Ideas?
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Even better:

White House: President's "War Boner" Must Be Satisfied
..."The President can't seem to hide his excitement about a possible
military conflict with Iraq. At a recent function honoring America's
war widows, Bush sported a visible erection when his speech turned to
the subject of the Middle East.
'Believe me when I say this. With or without the help of other
nations, with or without UN approval, we will penetrate Iraq's
borders. With overwhelming force, we will pound Iraq over and over
again without ceasing. And, once its leaders concede defeat, we will
seed Iraq with American-style democracy.'
Aides say the podium was scrubbed down thoroughly after the event with
a special cleanser/biocide not used since the Clinton
administration.".....
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Yes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very
useful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks.
Theo Van Dinter wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:
>
>>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The
>>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the
>>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to:
>
>
> I suggested this a few months ago.  I don't remember the details of what
> came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules
> since those require code changes.
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Tom R:
>
>
Which one's you?
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what takes time and money: noting the amounts of each correction and basing
the refund delivery method on the amount.  yesh, it's silly to spend $.37 (+
labor and materials) for a $.02 refund, but maybe the only alternative right
now is to create dichotomies that require even more time and labor - or keep
the money (see john hall below).  your mailed refund is a function of bulk.
in jax we're on the verge of firing at&t cable for horrible customer service
and over-charging.  what will probably happen: if the amount of overage per
customer is significant (say $30 or more) the refund will go directly to the
customer.  If it's less, the combined total amount will go to the city as
lump sum settlement.
in your case, maybe all the customers could vote on line where they'd like
their lump sum to go.  of courese, they'd have to be notified by mail first.
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: fork-admin@xent.com On Behalf Of John
Hall
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:02 PM
To: Fork@xent.com
Subject: RE: The absurdities of life.
They are legally required to do that.  I got a similar check because an
insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough.  It might have been
$.02.
Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the
alternative seems to be to keep the money.  Do you really want companies
to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they
could keep it?  For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer
starts adding up.
> From: fork-admin@xent.com  On Behalf Of
> bitbitch@magnesium.net
> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now).
> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing
> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33.
>
> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together.
> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap?  I mean, isn't there
> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness?  I don't think I missed
> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu
> of being returned pennies.
>
> I'm truly stuck on this though.  I don't know whether to frame the
> check, burn it, or cash it in.  Maybe I should find a way to return to
> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues.
>
>
> Does .33 even buy anything anymore?  Funny bit of it, is I couldn't
> even make a phone call these days.
>
> *boggled*
> BB.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  bitbitch                          mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net


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>Benoit claimed the prize for his size 14 feet. In the female division of the
>competition, three women tied for first place with size 10 feet.
>Winners took home a $100 gift certificate to either Footlocker or Barrie
>Ltd.
Well crap, mine are size 11.
>
>"If I'd have known the contest was happening, I would have gone," said
>Justin Simon '04, the proud owner of size 15 feet. "A lot of the guys have
>bigger feet than that. Dexter Upshaw ['06] wears a size 18."
>
>Simon said the $100 gift certificate would have almost paid for a new pair
>of shoes.
Almost. If you shop at Payless!!
But sure could have used the $100 anyway!
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>Helen & Mike wrote:
>
>>  Chat tends to be on irc.quakenet #forteana most nights. I think this was
>>  done mainly because of troll infestation.  Colin has control most nights on
>>  there, and he keeps an eye on people and kicks them if they come in under
>>  assumed names, or as soon as they show their true natures.  Just call him
>>  Billy Goat Gruff :-)
>
>How do you sign up?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Kelly
kelly, same thing as when you used to come to frogstone on Dalnet.
#frogstone is still there, and also #forteana. If you want to go to
quakenet, just change your server (in mIRC if that is what you use)
to that.
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>I managed to get myself an iMac yesterday (just a G3 but a good'un) and was
>wondering if any of the Apple people on here could recommend a good ISP (for
>narrow band at the moment) for getting online under OS X.
>
>Stew
my local ISP works great with my iMac. I don't know what you guys
have over there, but OS X ought to let you get online as well as
anything else.
Crossing my fingers though....I did a upgrade to Jaguar, and ended up
doing a scrape and install after that.
Oh, and I am on 56k dialup
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>  >Tom R:
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>Which one's you?
>
>I'm actually taking the photo -- both figures are in fact waxworks.
>
>This was in Mme Tussaud's in, of all places, Sydney Australia.
>
>       /t
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Well, until the smart one asked just how old you were now.
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>That Goddess Chick wrote:
>>
>>  >Thanks Fel.  Got no scanner.  My photo is in that group of 100 obsessive
>>  >compulsive clipsters in FT, 1996 or 1997.
>>  >
>>  >Terry
>>
>>  Great, and right now all my pre '98s are in Washington state, in a
>>  cardboard box in a shed in the back of Sydde's garage. Probably mice
>>  nests by now. :-(  Put a scanner on your Christmas list right above
>>  world peace!
>>  --
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>>  Fel
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>
>Maybe a kind soul with access to that issue and a scanner could scan it and
>forward to you.
>
>Terry
>
I would appreciate that very much as I won't be getting back to
Washington until December.
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Hi
I try to rebuild xine from src package and I get these errors:
.
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.
Finding  Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides
Finding  Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires
PreReq: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix)


On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned:
>  This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually
> passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0.
Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with
root=/dev/hda5, not /dev/md0 was because /dev/md0 wasn't booting - it
would barf with 'can't find init'.
It turns out that this is because I was populating md0 with tar. Which
seems to have 'issues' with crosslinked files - for instance, it was
trying to make a hard link of glibc.so to hda - and failing. It was only
as I did it again with a friend present, that he spotted the errors, and
queried them. We noticed that the hard linked files just didn't exist on
the new rootfs.
When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked
fine, I was able to tell lilo to use root=/dev/md0 and everything worked.
Woohoo.
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Once upon a time, Roi wrote :
> RPM build errors:
>     user dude does not exist - using root
>     user dude does not exist - using root
>     user dude does not exist - using root
>     user dude does not exist - using root
>     user dude does not exist - using root
This I would guess is normal, but don't you get it at the very beginning of
the build? Isn't this at the end just a reminder?
>     File not found: /var/tmp/xine-root/usr/bin/aaxine
Argh, I forgot to exclude aaxine from the %files when using "--without
aalib" :-(
The current "fr6.1" spec file fixes this...
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Once upon a time, Roi wrote :
> oh xmms didn't work for me also
> i used mpg123 i tought its something from me
Nope, this is "normal" as Red Hat removed all mp3 support from 8.0 because
of patent and royalty issues :-(
On freshrpms.net, you can find the xmms mp3 plugin as I said, but also
libmad, lame (mp3 encoder), and soon mpg321 as I often used it myself.
Many other players can also play mp3 files, like alsaplayer, xine, mplayer.
> like mplayer not working also and gives black screen
This is not normal though...
Try "mplayer -vo help" then try usinf various output methods to see if some
do work or not.
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URL: #teach_a_man_to_fish
Date: 2002-10-08T00:22:08-05:00
_Kevin Hemenway_: Finding More Channels[1]. “In simple terms, there are
thousands of web sites that are actively providing their news and headlines in
a format AmphetaDesk can understand [RSS]. And while AmphetaDesk knows about a
good number of these sites, it'd be impossible to hunt down each and every
single possibility. So, this page is here to teach you how to fish.”
[1]


URL:
Date: 2002-10-07T21:35:22-06:00
Yahoo: The Case for Regime Change[1].
Khatami asked the U.N. to set a deadline for Bush to step down in favor of
president-in-exile Al Gore the legitimate winner of the 2000 election, the
results of which were subverted through widespread voting irregularities
and intimidation.
[... This will likely require] a prolonged bombing campaign targeting major
U.S. cities and military installations, followed by a ground invasion led
by European forces. "Civilian casualties would likely be substantial," said
a French military analyst. "But the American people must be liberated from
tyranny."
[...] "Even before Bush, the American political system was a shambles,"
said Prof. Salvatore Deluna of the University of Madrid. "Their
single-party plutocracy will have to be reshaped into true
parliamentary-style democracy. Moreover, the economy will have to be
retooled from its current military dictatorship model--in which a third of
the federal budget goes to arms, and taxes are paid almost exclusively by
the working class--to one in which basic human needs such as education and
poverty are addressed. Their infrastructure is a mess; they don't even have
a national passenger train system. Fixing a failed state of this size will
require many years."
Welcome news. The only way to crush America's fundamentalist tendencies is by
showing them who's boss.
[1]


URL: #1034055900
Date: 2002-10-07T22:45:00-0700
... for not updating: I'm doing the guestblog at Boing Boing[1]. Now to find an
excuse for missing last week.
[1]


URL: #85537486
Date: Not supplied
Steve sez: "It's tragic when life imitates Wile E. Coyote cartoons. Guy
boobytraps his house to get his family if they try to break in, and seemingly
is killed himself by his own traps." Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Steve[3]!_)
[1]
[2]
[3]


URL: #85537496
Date: Not supplied
Curcumin, the chemical that makes curry yellow, turns out to be a good compound
for treating radiation burns resulting from cancer therapy. Link[1] Discuss[2]
(_Thanks, Cheryl!_)
[1]
[2]


URL: #85535421
Date: Not supplied
A Nintendo newsletter from 1987 is going for ober $700 on eBay. Link[1] Discuss
[2] _(Thanks, Billy Hayes!)_
[1]
[2]


URL: #85534626
Date: Not supplied
After discovering an open wireless net available from his sofa, Steven
"Hackers" Levy interviewed lawmen, academics and WiFi activists about the
legality and ethics of using open wireless access points.
I downloaded my mail and checked media news on the Web. When I confessed
this to FBI agent Bill Shore, he spared the handcuffs. "The FBI wouldn't
waste resources on that," he sniffed. Now I know that if it did, it would
be hard to argue that I broke a law. What's more, I certainly didn't feel
illegal. Because—and this is the point of all that war-driving and
-chalking and node-stumbling—when you get used to wireless, the experience
feels more and more like a God-given right. One day we may breathe
bandwidth like oxygen—and arguing its illegality will be unthinkable.
Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Steven[3]!_)
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[3] ~steven/


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The new Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog is out (in October!), including
you-as-an-action-figure ($7,500), a bamboo hut ($15,000) and a leather frisbee
($30). Link[1] Discuss[2]
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> From:  Chris Garrigues
> Date:  Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500
>
> > From:  Chris Garrigues
> > Date:  Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:17:45 -0500
> >
> > Ouch...I'll get right on it.
> >
> > > From:  Robert Elz
> > > Date:  Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:30:01 +0700
> > >
> > > Any chance of having that lengthen instead?   I like all my exmh stuff
> > > in nice columns (fits the display better).   That is, I use the detache
> d
> > > folder list, one column.   The main exmh window takes up full screen,
> > > top to bottom, but less than half the width, etc...
>
> I thought about that.  The first order approximation would be to just add
> using pack .... -side top instead of pack ... -side left, however, since their
> each a different width, it would look funny.
I've done this.  It's not as pretty as I think it should be, but it works.
I'm going to leave the cosmetic issues to others.  When I update the
documentation, I'll add this to the exmh.TODO file.
I'm leaving for a 2 1/2 week vacation in a week, so this is the last new
functionality I'm going to add for a while.  Also, I now have pretty much
everything in there that I want for my own use, so I'm probably pretty much
done.  I'll work on bug fixes and documentation before my vacation, and
hopefully do nothing more afterwards.
Chris
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Date: 2002-10-08T03:31:00+01:00
BBC reporter Donal MacIntyre wins high profile libel case against police.


URL:
Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:56+01:00
*World latest: *Hundreds of Palestinians vent their anger as dozens of Israeli
tanks withdrew after a gruelling three-hour raid on the Gaza strip.


URL:
Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:54+01:00
*Medicine and health: *The discovery of the myriad little deaths which lead to
life brought the most coveted prize in world medicine to two Britons and an
American yesterday.


URL:
Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:53+01:00
*Afghanistan: *In his final report one year from the beginning of the US
campaign *Rory McCarthy* finds mounting anger at the military presence.


URL:
Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:52+01:00
*Business: *The long-awaited recovery in Britain's manufacturing sector ground
to a halt in August, despite a sharp rise in car production, official figures
showed yesterday.


URL:
Date: Not supplied
The largest object found since 1930 is half the size of Pluto, and calls that
object's planetary status into question


URL:
Date: Not supplied
World chess champion Vladimir Kramnik takes the lead over the computer Deep
Fritz, after the machine makes a peculiar mistake


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Date: Not supplied
A new Japanese system allows palmtop computers to swap large amounts of data
when their owners shake hands


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The medicine prize goes to research that revealed how cell suicide sculpts the
body and - when disrupted - causes disease


On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my build scripts, I have problems with some of the kernel packages.
>
> For kernel-sources, I get :
>
> Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by:
>   kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3
>   kernel-source#2.4.18-3 2.4.18-3
>
> on running apt-get install kernel-source
>
> Now, first of all, this doesn't really tell me what the two options are ;)
> Second, is there some way I can tell apt-get to install either ? This is
> done from automatic build scripts so I'd like it to proceed anyway.
That's just apt's way of telling you the package is in "AllowDuplicated",
meaning multiple versions of the package can be installed at the same
time. Yes the output is a bit strange.. especially when there's only one
version available.
'apt-get install kernel-source#2.4.18-3' will install it...
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SpamAssassin is hurting democracy!
Owen
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Internet can level the political playing field
By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro
NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one
of the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping
malls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front
stoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in
public office. While chances are high that we won't know them
personally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and
ask for our votes.
Just as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it
has begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters.
In this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State
Bill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail
addresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent
each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support.
That day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more
expensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio
spots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of
35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium.
Had Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have
been equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters
would have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones
through any of those channels.
The response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He
was lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost
entirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been
refined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice
``paid for'' disclaimer in the message.
His detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but
because the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign
may have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money
in politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication
mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field.
No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be
highly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society,
it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different
unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters.
The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress
that would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We
believe e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or
TV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A
simple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of
future mailings. Direct mail takes at least a phone call or stamp to be
taken off a list, and viewers must repeatedly endure TV ads.
When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the
Internet to provide constituents with information to better prepare them
to perform their civic duty of casting educated votes. With more than 60
percent of all potential voters in this country possessing e-mail
accounts, it makes sense that political candidates use this medium.
Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the
Jones campaign if they use the technologies available today that better
ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient
groups.
But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter
an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without
opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage
the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam
advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail.
Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best
they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an
advocacy management and communications software company. Larry Purpuro,
the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is
founder and president of a political e-marketing firm. This was written
for the Los Angeles Times.


On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200
> Matthias Saou
wrote:
>
> # I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with
> # DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default
> # disabling it a few releases back :-/
>
> When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did
> run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was
> enabled.  It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself.
And my IBM Intellistation would lock up instantly .. now this is actually
quite funny .. if DMA was enabled for the CD-ROM *and* you tried to access
a CD with Joliet extensions. Otherwise it worked just fine with DMA
enabled :)
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Quoting Brendan Kehoe (brendan@zen.org):
> As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature
> to verify correctness of the file.  Since the distributor's secret key
> is required to create that signature, it would add a pretty
> significant step that would have to be taken to make it possible to
> replace both a rpm or apt file and its accompanying signature.
There are complex problems inherent in attempts to implement this.
~rick/linux-info/debian-package-signing
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Brendan Kehoe wrote:
> As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature to verify
> correctness of the file.  Since the distributor's secret key is required to
> create that signature, it would add a pretty significant step that would have
> to be taken to make it possible to replace both a rpm or apt file and its
> accompanying signature.
Check your local friendly Red Hat installation:
[root@localhost up2date]# rpm --checksig zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm
zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm: md5 gpg ok
Of course, this is only as useful as, say, the gpg keys distributed with
the Kernel tarballs, i.e. if you don't actually bother checking the sig
then you are open to abuse. It's entirely possible that rpm can be
configured to require good signatures, but I've not read that part of
the fine manual just yet.
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Thanks for the info AJ, I found "weblog" at
 which has some click-path
reporting. It's simple, but works. Report generation takes a bit though, even
with dns resolution turned off..
Donncha.
On Monday 07 October 2002 23:35, AJ McKee wrote:
> Donncha,
>
> I've been using mod_usertrack for a good while now. I use in by default in
> every vhost that I set up. I assign a cookie name and set the expiry for
> about a year. I have to say it looks ok. A few things to note though. If a
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