While I was playing with the past issues, it annoyed me that there was
no easy way to make the log stop growing (I don't mean to truncate it,
I mean to just freeze it for a while).
The following patch adds a new button to the log window, which allows
the log to be switched on/off (the button says "Disable" when the
log is enabled, and the button disables it, and "Enable" when the log
is frozen, and the button enables it again).
kre
--- main.tcl	Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002
+++ /usr/local/lib/exmh-2.5/main.tcl	Wed Aug 28 17:36:59 2002
@@ -385,6 +385,9 @@
ExmhLogCreate
wm withdraw $exmh(logTop)
}
+    if {! $exmh(logWrite)} {
+	return
+    }
if [info exists exmh(log)] {
catch {
#	    $exmh(log) insert end " [bw_delta] "
@@ -407,6 +410,9 @@
set exmh(logWindow) 1
Exwin_Toplevel .log "Exmh Log" Log
set exmh(logTop) .log
+    set exmh(logDisableBut) \
+	[Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but swap "Disable" ExmhLogToggle]
+    set exmh(logWrite) 1
Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but trunc "Truncate" ExmhLogTrunc
Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but save "Save To File" ExmhLogSave
set exmh(logYview) 1
@@ -457,6 +463,12 @@
} msg] {
Exmh_Status "Cannot save log: $msg" error
}
+}
+proc ExmhLogToggle {} {
+    global exmh
+
+    set exmh(logWrite) [expr ! $exmh(logWrite)]
+    $exmh(logDisableBut) configure -text [lindex {"Enable " Disable} $exmh(logWrite)]
}
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LIMA, Peru (Reuters) -- Lina Medina's parents thought their 5-year-old daughter had a huge abdominal tumor and when shamans in their remote village in Peru's Andes could find no cure, her father carried her to hospital.
Just over a month later, she gave birth to a boy.
Aged 5 years, seven months and 21 days old when her child was born by Caesarean section in May 1939, Medina made medical history, and is still the youngest known mother in the world.
At the time, Peru's government promised aid that never materialized. Six decades on, Medina lives with her husband in a cramped house in a poor, crime-ridden district of the Peruvian capital known as "Little Chicago."
Now 68, she keeps herself to herself and has long refused requests to rake up the past. Gerardo, the son she delivered while still a child herself, died in 1979 at the age of 40.
But a new book, written by an obstetrician who has been interested in her case, has drawn fresh attention to Medina's story, and raised the prospect that the Peruvian government may belatedly offer her financial and other assistance.
"The government condemned them to live in poverty. In any other country, they would be the objects of special care," Jose Sandoval, author of "Mother Aged 5," told Reuters.
"We still have time to repair the damage done to her. That's my fundamental objective," he added.
'Totally willing to help'
Sandoval has raised Medina's case with the office of first lady Eliane Karp, and has asked the government to grant her a life pension -- something officials say is possible.
"We're totally willing to help her," said spokeswoman Marta Castaneda. But Suni Ramos, of the social action department of Karp's office, said that before the government could grant her a pension or any other of the aid it was already planning -- such as kitchen and other household equipment -- it needed to talk to her to discuss what she wanted and needed. It is currently trying to contact Medina and her family.
Medina's husband, Raul Jurado, told Reuters his wife remained skeptical. "She got no help (in 1939) that I know about," he said. "She thinks governments never deliver. Maybe today there will be a promise that will never come true."
Jurado said his wife, whose story is a medical textbook classic and whose case is confirmed as true by such bodies as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, had turned down Reuters' request for an interview.
Medical rarity
No one has ever established who was the father of Medina's child, or confirmed she became pregnant after being raped.
One of nine children born to country folk in Ticrapo, an Andean village at an altitude of 7,400 feet (2,250 meters) in Peru's poorest province, Medina is believed to be the youngest case of precocious puberty in history, Sandoval said.
He said she had her first period at 2 1/2, became pregnant aged 4 years and eight months and that when doctors performed the Caesarean to deliver her baby, they found she already had fully mature sexual organs.
Her swelling stomach worried her parents. "They thought it was a tumor," he said. But shamans ruled out village superstitions -- including one in which locals believed a snake grew inside a person until it killed them -- and recommended they take her to hospital in the nearest big town, Pisco.
There came the staggering diagnosis that she was pregnant.
Her father was jailed temporarily on suspicion of incest -- he was later released for lack of evidence -- and doctors, police and even a film crew set off for her village for preliminary investigations into her case.
Sandoval, who based his book on media and other published information, and some interviews with relatives as Medina herself declined to comment, said news of the child mother-to-be drew instant offers of aid, including one worth $5,000 from a U.S. businessman, which was turned down.
More offers followed after Medina was transferred to a Lima hospital, where her fully developed 6-pound (2.7 kg) baby was born on May 14, 1939 -- Mother's Day.
One offer was worth $1,000 a week, plus expenses, for Medina and her baby to be exhibited at the World's Fair in New York. Another, from a U.S. business that the family accepted in early June 1939, was for the pair to travel to the United States for scientists to study the case. The offer included setting up a fund to ensure their lifelong financial comfort.
But within days, the state trumped all previous offers, decreeing that Medina and her baby were in "moral danger," and resolving to set up a special commission to protect them.
But Sandoval said: "It abandoned the case after six months ...It did absolutely nothing for them."
Happy ending?
Though physically mature, Medina -- who Sandoval said was mentally normal and showed no other unusual medical symptoms -- still behaved like a child, preferring to play with her dolls instead of the new baby, who was fed by a wet nurse.
Medina stayed in hospital for 11 months, finally returning to her family after it began legal proceedings that led to a Supreme Court ruling allowing her to live with them again.
After taunting from schoolmates, Gerardo -- who was named after one of the doctors who attended Medina and became their mentor -- discovered when he was 10 that the woman he had grown up believing to be his sister was in fact his mother.
He died in 1979 from a disease that attacks the body's bone marrow, but Sandoval said it was not clear there was any link with his illness and the fact his mother had been so young.
Medina married and in 1972 had a second son, 33 years after her first. Her second child now lives in Mexico.
She appears to have turned her bizarre story into a taboo subject. "We just want to get on with our lives, that's it," said Jurado, adding he thought "absolutely nothing" of the fact his wife was the world's youngest mother.
He said the couple's main concern now, if the government's offer of aid was genuine, was to be granted the value of a property that belonged to Medina and which the then-government expropriated more than two decades ago. That house has now been destroyed and there is a road on the site.
He said its value was "more or less $25,000" and settling the property question would conclude a long legal battle to get back a home of their own -- they live now in a modest house, accessed down a dingy alley half blocked by a wooden board, in a tough neighborhood known to locals as a thieves' paradise.
"If the government really wants to help...they should give us the value of our property," he said.
As for Sandoval, he said he was optimistic that Medina's story, which he has studied since his student days, would turn out well. "I believe there will be a happy ending," he said.
"As a result of the war, corporations have now been enthroned and an era
of corruption in high places will follow and the money-power of the
country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands
and the Republic is destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln (Nov 21, 1864 in a letter to Col. William F Elkins)
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Politicians worldwide are discovering the internet - what a great tool
for fascism, once you got the laws in place to solve that whole
'anonymity' thing. Also I notice this story shows the truth - the
Canadian government is really located in Washington, DC, Ottawa is just
a branch office. Come to think of it, the last story I posted about
Canada featured the head of its military, 'speaking to us from military
HQ  in Palm Beach, Florida.'
Owen
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
.
*Will Canada's ISPs become spies?*
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 27, 2002, 12:56 PM PT

*WASHINGTON--The Canadian government is considering a proposal that
would force Internet providers to rewire their networks for easy
surveillance by police and spy agencies.*
A discussion draft
released Sunday also contemplates creating a national database of every
Canadian with an Internet account, a plan that could sharply curtail the
right to be anonymous online.
The Canadian government, including the Department of Justice
and Industry Canada
, wrote the 21-page blueprint as a near-final step
in a process that seeks to give law enforcement agents more authority to
conduct electronic surveillance. A proposed law based on the discussion
draft is expected to be introduced in Parliament late this year or in
early 2003.
Arguing that more and more communications take place in electronic form,
Canadian officials say such laws are necessary to fight terrorism and
combat even run-of-the-mill crimes. They also claim that by enacting
these proposals, Canada will be following its obligations under the
Council of Europe's cybercrime treaty
, which the country is in the
process of considering.
If the discussion draft were to become law, it would outlaw the
possession of computer viruses, authorize police to order Internet
providers to retain logs of all Web browsing for up to six months, and
permit police to obtain a search warrant allowing them to find "hidden
electronic and digital devices" that a suspect might be concealing. In
most circumstances, a court order would be required for government
agents to conduct Internet monitoring.
Canada and the United States are nonvoting members of the Council of
Europe, and representatives from both countries' police agencies have
endorsed the controversial cybercrime treaty
, which has
drawn protests from human rights activists and civil liberties groups.
Of nearly 50 participating nations, only Albania has formally adopted
,
or ratified, the treaty.
Michael Geist
, a professor at the
University of Ottawa who specializes in e-commerce law, says that the
justification for adopting such sweeping changes to Canadian law seems
weak.
"It seems to me that the main justification they've given for all the
changes is that we want to ratify the cybercrime treaty and we need to
make changes," Geist said. "To me that's not a particularly convincing
argument. If there are new powers needed for law enforcement authority,
make that case."
Geist added that "there's nothing in the document that indicates (new
powers) are needed. I don't know that there have been a significant
number of cases where police have run into problems."
Probably the most sweeping change the legal blueprint contemplates is
compelling Internet providers and telephone companies to reconfigure
their networks to facilitate government eavesdropping and data-retention
orders. The United States has a similar requirement, called the
Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act
, but it
applies only to pre-Internet telecommunications companies.
"It is proposed that all service providers (wireless, wireline and
Internet) be required to ensure that their systems have the technical
capability to provide lawful access to law enforcement and national
security agencies," according to the proposal. Companies would be
responsible for paying the costs of buying new equipment.
Sarah Andrews, an analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center
(EPIC) who specializes in international law, says
the proposal goes beyond what the cybercrime treaty specifies. "Their
proposal for intercept capability talks about all service providers, not
just Internet providers," Andrews said. "The cybercrime treaty deals
only with computer data." EPIC opposes
the cybercrime treaty, saying it grants too much power to police and
does not adequately respect privacy rights.
Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of Chiefs
of Police recommends "the establishment of a national database" with
personal information about all Canadian Internet users. "The
implementation of such a database would presuppose that service
providers are compelled to provide accurate and current information,"
the draft says.
Gus Hosein, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and an
activist with Privacy International, calls the database "a dumb idea."
"Immediately you have to wonder if you're allowed to use anonymous
mobile phones or whether you're allowed to connect to the Internet
anonymously," Hosein said.
A representative for George Radwanski
, Canada's privacy commissioner, said
the office is reviewing the blueprint and does not "have any comments on
the paper as it stands."
Comments on the proposal can be sent to la-al@justice.gc.ca
no later than Nov. 15.


Barbara wrote:
Pictish pictograms (still undeciphered)
-----------------------
I'd be interested in an update on the latest thinking on these things.
Particularly the 'swimming elephant' pictogram.
There's a book come out recently on the world's undeciphered scripts
(including Linear A and Etruscan).
Has any list member read it?
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> > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on
> > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem?
> > >
> > > I'll take the blame.
> > >
> > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file
> > > multiple times because of other sequences.  I need to make the code much
> > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in
> > > my rather large patch that's on it's way.
> > >
> >
> > No panic,
> >
> > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized.
>
> Okay, this fix is now checked in.
>
I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month
ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an
"unseen countdown" in the log.
18:51:25 Writing /home/ander/Mail/lists/l-k/.mh_sequences
18:51:25 lists/l-k has 57 msgs in unseen
18:51:25 lists/l-k has 56 msgs in unseen
18:51:25 lists/l-k has 55 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 54 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 53 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 52 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 51 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 50 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 49 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 48 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 47 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 46 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 45 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 44 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 43 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 42 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 41 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 40 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 39 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 38 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 37 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 36 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 35 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 34 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 33 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 32 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 31 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 30 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 29 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 28 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 27 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 26 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 25 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 24 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 23 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 22 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 21 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 20 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 19 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 18 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 17 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 16 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 15 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 14 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 13 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 12 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 11 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 10 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 9 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 digits changed
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 8 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 7 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 6 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 5 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 4 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 3 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 2 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 1 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 0 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 FlistUnseenFolder lists/l-k
18:51:31 ok
18:51:47 Folder_Change lists/exmh {Msg_Show cur}
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--- In forteana@y..., "Martin Adamson"
wrote:
> For an alternative, and rather more factually based, rundown on
Hamza's
> career, including his belief that all non Muslims in Yemen should
be murdered
> outright:
>
>
And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we....

html
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2.5ft lizard 'abandoned' at resort
Holidaymakers at a seaside resort were stunned to find a 2.5ft lizard
sunning itself at a caravan park close to a beach.
The savannah monitor lizard was captured at Chapel St Leonards, Lincs, on
Sunday by a member of the public before being collected by an RSPCA team.
RSPCA officer Justin Stubbs, who took the lizard to a specialist carer,
said: "Savannah monitors can give a nasty bite and we certainly wouldn't
have wanted one loose in a busy holiday resort for long."
Officials believe the animal may have been abandoned by a private owner
because it has not been reported missing.
Savannah monitor lizards originate in Africa and are carnivorous, eating
rats and small rodents. They can grow to 4ft in length.
Anyone with information about the lizard can contact the RSPCA in confidence
on 08705 555 999.
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Close encounter of burnt kind
IT came from outer space  or did it? Teenager Siobhan Cowton is convinced
the object which struck her as she climbed into the family car at her home
in Northallerton is extra-terrestrial.
But while her claims are being treated with a certain amount of studied
academic scepticism by experts in these matters, the 14-year-old schoolgirl
is adamant she was hit on the foot by a meteorite.
Siobhan initially thought there was a more prosaic explanation  that the
odd-looking stone had been thrown at her by a child,.
But on closer inspection, she discovered all was not as it seemed  because
it was hot when she picked it up. It hit her on a foot but caused no injury.
"I looked at it again and it had a black and grey colour with a shiny bubble
surface," she said.
After closer inspection by her father Niel, and comparison with pictures on
the Internet, Siobhan plans to ask scientists at Durham University to check
the object for authenticity.
If it is from outer space, Siobhan says she will consider putting it up for
auction.
She added: "If it isn't worth anything then I suppose I will keep it myself
for sentimental value. It is not every day that you are hit by a meteorite."
But Dr Ben Horton, a lecturer in physical geography, was the acme of
academic caution.
"Meteors have features that can be used to establish whether it is a piece
of extraterrestrial rock," he said.
"They have a very smooth surface but sometimes they have shallow depressions
and cavities. If they are hot, they should have a black ash like crust burnt
around the edge.
"Most are between five and 60 centimetres but five centimetres is the
smallest that they usually appear."
To establish the provenance of Siobhan's suspected meteorite it would have
to be subject to a mineral breakdown but Dr Horton thinks the chances of it
being extra-terrestrial are slim.
"Around 50,000 a year strike the Earth's surface and, considering the size
of the Earth, it is very unlikely to be a meteorite.
"However, there is a possibility and there is no reason it couldn't happen,"
he added.
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Evening Standard - 28 August 2002
[Deft use of Fortean Unit of Measurement in 2nd para - MA]
'Lost' penguins found alive
by Charles Miranda
A colony of emperor penguins which was thought to have starved to death in
Antarctica has been found alive in a "big huddle".
The birds were spotted by the crew of a USAF jet returning to base in New
Zealand. Researchers had feared that a breakaway iceberg the size of Jamaica
had all but wiped out the colony at Cape Crozier on Ross Island.
Thousands of chicks are believed to have died as an increase in sea ice made
it impossible for the adults to find food. A detailed count is planned in
October. Antarctica (New Zealand) chief executive Lou Sanson said: "The
penguins were in a big huddle. We can now hope that the emperors have had a
successful breeding season over the winter."
Some 1,000 pairs of emperors - the largest penguins in the world at 3.3ft tall
and 88lb - usually nest at Cape Crozier, 50 miles from the US McMurdo research
station. The 200,000-strong Adelie penguin colony, which also nests at the
cape, may have lost up to third of its population.
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Hi,
some time now the following messages were haunting me:
automount[11593]: attempting to mount entry /home/dude
It just came to my attention, that only freshrpm benefitting hosts showed this
up. I grepped through the binaries and found referrences to /home/dude.
# grep /home/dude /usr/bin/*
Binary file /usr/bin/aaxine matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gentoo matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gphoto2 matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gtkam matches
...
I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou
himself is "dude", and some package has hardwired a path in his build
directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using too
many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down.
Regards, Axel.
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Big cats are on the loose in Britain and breeding their way towards record
numbers, a monitoring group has claimed.
The British Big Cats Society said it has received more than 800 reports of
animals including pumas, black panthers, leopards and so-called Fen tigers
over the past 12 months.
And while it admits that many sightings are of nothing more exotic than the
average moggy, it claims to have "firm evidence" that the majority are real.
Society founder Daniel Bamping told BBC News Online he could cope with the
critics and doubters, adding: "I was a sceptic, I thought it was in the same
realm as the Loch Ness monster.
"But it's not, they are really out there."
'Cats with cubs'
Mr Bamping said there have been reports of big cats from every corner of the
country.
Big cat reports
Hotspots include Scotland and Gloucestershire
January 2002 - Kent man clawed by suspected Lynx
November 2001 - farmer reports animals mauled by big cat
April 2001 - Lynx captured in north London
1999 - Puma-like cat attacks horse in Wales
"This weekend alone I have had sightings from Wales, the Scottish borders,
Kent, the West Midlands, Devon, Somerset and Wiltshire," he said.
The society claims some of the big cats are breeding with domestic animals.
But Mr Bamping said others, particularly lynx and puma, probably exist in
sufficient numbers to breed among themselves.
"We have had sightings of cats with cubs," he added.
'Trigger camera'
The society claims to have evidence proving the cats' existence, including
photographs, paw prints, sheep kills and hair samples.
But it knows it will have to do even more to convince a sceptical public
that it is not spinning them a shaggy cat story.
A national "trigger camera" project is planned which, the society hopes,
will provide footage to prove the existence of the big cats.
Mr Bamping said: "The idea is that the cat will walk past the camera and
take a picture of itself."
'Like dogs'
The society believes many of the sighting are of pets released into the
wild, or their descendants.
Its spokesman Danny Nineham said: "In the 1960s and 1970s, people had big
cats like leopards as pets and they used to walk them like dogs.
"But in 1976 when the Dangerous Wild Animals Act came into force, people
released their cats because they did not want to pay for a licence, put them
down, or take them to a zoo."
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US soldiers on peacekeeping duties in the future could find that a portable
translation device will be an essential part of their equipment.
Scientists at Carnegie Mellon University have developed a prototype of a
speech translator that was road-tested by US Army chaplains in Croatia.
"This project shows how a relatively simple speech-to-speech translation
system can be rapidly and successfully constructed using today's tools,"
said the team from Carnegie Mellon University in a research paper published
recently.
The research was commissioned by the US Army, which is increasingly finding
itself in peace-keeping roles where communication is key.
Speaking in tongues
"In the Balkans, the Army is not just supposed to conquer somebody," Robert
Frederking of Carnegie Mellon University told the BBC programme Go Digital.
Translators could be essential for US soldiers
"In a peacekeeping situation, you have two guys trying to beat each other up
and you are holding them apart.
"You can't just shot one of them, you have to figure what is going on and
talk to them," he said.
The portable translator was developed with a year, using commercially
available laptops.
The Army did not want to field-test the device in a battlefield situation.
So instead the translator was tested by US Army chaplains in Croatia.
"The chaplains very often end up having to talk to foreign nationals and
typically don't have any translation support," explained Mr Frederking.
Slow system
For the trials, the chaplains used the translator to speak to Croatians who
knew just a smattering of English.
The system works by having a speech recogniser that picks up the words in
Croatian, turns the speech into text. The written words are then translated
into English and read out by a speech synthesizer.
"It went reasonably well half the time," said Mr Frederking, though it was
slow in translating phrases.
The research team admit that the system is not ready to be deployed in the
field.
But they say their trials showed that a portable translator could be made to
work with further research and development.
The Audio Voice Translation Guide System project was a joint venture between
the US Army, the military manufacturer Lockheed Martin and Carnegie Mellon
University.
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Ananova:
Brazilian bees keep their own 'insect ranch'
Scientists have found a new species of bee that behaves like a farmer by
keeping herds of insects.
The Amazonian Schwarzula use their own 'insect ranches' to provide food and
building materials.
The bees nest in holes in trees alongside 200 aphid-like insects from a
species called cryptostigma.
Cryptostigma feed on tree sap and excrete a sugar solution, which the bees
stop them from drowning in, by licking it up and turning it into honey.
The insects also produce wax from glands on their backs, which the bees
scrape off and use for their nest.
Nature reports it is the first time farming behaviour has been discovered in
bees.
Biologist Joao Camargo, of the University of Sao Paulo in Brazil, said: "In
turn the bees provide the insects with sanitary benefits and protection."
Writing in the journal Biotropica, Camargo says the bees might even carry
their insect ranches around the forest with them and is planning further
research on how they tend to their herd.
Studies of the Schwarzula showed the bees seemed to get most of their sugar
from the insect farms. Some bees were seen licking human sweat for salt.
Story filed: 13:49 Wednesday 28th August 2002
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Not fortean, but a moment in time all the same...

Betamax video recorders are finally being phased out almost 20 years after
losing the battle for dominance of the home video market to VHS.
Betamax's manufacturer, Sony, has announced that it will make only 2,000
more machines for the Japanese market.
They have not been on sale in the rest of the world since 1998.
VHS became the dominant format by the mid-1980s
Betamax was launched in 1975, and won many fans who said it was better
quality than its VHS rival.
Some 2.3 million Betamax machines were sold worldwide in its peak year,
1984, but it soon went downhill as VHS became the format of choice for the
film rental industry and in homes.
Just 2,800 machines were sold in the 12 months to March 2002.
"With digital machines and other new recording formats taking hold in the
market, demand has continued to decline and it has become difficult to
secure parts," Sony said in a statement.
Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the
format.
The professional Betamax format, Betacam, is still widely used in the
television and film industries and will be unaffected.
But the recent rise of DVDs seems to have put the final nail in the coffin
for Betamax home players.
In the 1980s, many video rental chains preferred the VHS format.
Betamax lovers became so passionate about the format in the face of
competition from VHS that they set up the Betaphile Club in 1988.
The picture and sound quality of Beta was superior to VHS, Betaphiles say,
although VHS tapes had a longer duration.
A total of 18 million Betamax machines were sold around the world, but no
new ones will be made after the end of 2002.
Sony is now planning to focus its efforts on new digital technologies.
See also:
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Does anyone know if this is supported under 2.4.18 kernels or higher?
I need to buy an ISDN TA quick, and PC World have these in stock for €65.
Thanks,
David.
David Hamilton
Senior Technical Consultant
HP Ireland
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Hey, it's not easy being green.
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Damn kermit...boring...
Wanna be rizzo he's the coolest
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ive just gotton myself a modem (no its not a winmodem, yes im sure) it dials
the internet grant using the RedHat PPP Dialer... and i can ping the server
i dial into but i cant get any furthur than that server? any ideas?
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Martin Adamson wrote:>>And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we....
>>
>
> Oh, of course, you're right, any information not coming from a source that
> fits your pre-conceived world view can simply be dismissed out of hand.
>
> Martin
>
For goddess' sake Martin that seems to be exactly what you're doing.  You
started your reply to Tim's posting of the Guardian article by suggesting that
it was factually inaccurate.  Did you actually read it or did you just assume
that if the Grauniad writes about a Muslim extremist they must be making him out
as an all round nice guy?
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>
>>  (CNSNews.com) - A pro-family group in Cincinnati that has pressured
>>  two area hotels to stop showing adult pay-per-view movies has vowed
>to
>>  expand its grass- roots campaign nationwide.
>
>
>Quite right. And while they're at it, they can get that bunch of
>religious nuts to stop sneaking their book of hate and intolerence
>into the bedside cabinets, you know, that one with all the telephone
>humbers in it.
>
>Oh, and the Gideon Society can take their bibles back as well.
>
>RobinH
>
What are you talking about??? That book is where all the best free porn is!!
Piece of trivia: the thing is so pithy it floats!!
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the latest -

Friday, 6 September, 2002, 08:53 GMT 09:53 UK
Zimbabwe eases GM stance
Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain
so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency.
The executive director of the World Food Programme, James Morris, said
Zimbabwe's decision would send an important message to other countries in
the region which have refused food aid because it might contain GM grain.
Until now, Zimbabwe had said it would only allow aid workers to distribute
ground maize to allay fears that GM grain could be planted.
But a Zimbabwean minister says the government has now set up a system of
checks to ensure the grain will not enter the eco-system.
There have been fears that Southern African nations could lose lucrative
export markets in Europe if they cannot certify that their crops are
GM-free.
Aid
Mr Morris announced the policy reversal after talks in Harare with
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe.
"The fact that they have now concluded that they are comfortable in
accepting GM crops or commodities will be an important signal to other
countries in the region," Mr Morris told journalists.
"It will enable us to do our job," he said.
Aid workers say up to 13 million people in seven countries in Southern
Africa face famine. In Zimbabwe which was once the bread basket of the
region, some six million people are estimated to need food aid.
The WFP says it already has aid pledges for about half of the 600,000 tonnes
of food it intends to bring into Zimbabwe in the next few months.
The government blames the shortages solely on drought, but the government's
campaign to transfer land from large scale commercial white farmers has
worsened the situation, say many donors.
Lost markets
The GM row has complicated relief efforts across the region.
Zambia's president is refusing to overturn his ban on GM food aid, labelling
it as 'poison' .
Deals to mill GM food before being distributed, so that it could not be
planted, have placated fears in Malawi and Mozambique.
United States aid officials deny that the food is unsafe, pointing out that
Americans eat GM maize every day.
The World Health Organisation has certified the grain for human consumption
and says it does not constitute a danger to people's health.
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Near the end of his *Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
Madness of Crowds* (1851), Charles Mackay discusses various catch phrases
briefly popular in mid-19th-century London. One of them, he observes,
"like a mushroom, seems to have sprung up in the night, or, like a frog in
Cheapside, to have come down in a sudden shower. One day it was unheard,
unknown, uninvented; the next it pervaded London."
Was "like a frog in Cheapside" (or something similar) a catch phrase
itself, or did Mackay come up with the simile on his own?
And to what event or events does it refer?
I didn't find anything relevant in Partridge's *A Dictionary of Catch
Phrases.*
bc
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Bill:
> I've decided that I ought to put some of my writing samples on-line for
> potential employers to mock. And I don't want to pay for it. There are still
> a couple dozen places to do this, do any of you have preferences?
>
Getting your own domain needn't be expensive, looks more professional, and
you're not going to suddenly lose your site with little or no notice (yes,
I'm still smarting from bastard Geocities). I registered mine through
 - works out about a pound a week for registration
and 30Mb hosting. It's a valuable service, there's no reason not to expect
to pay.
TimC
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Of course, everyone knows that Owlman is a work of fuggin` genius
J
> Hey, I met the wizard bloke from Owlman, who wants to touch me!!
>
> Dave
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The Times
September 06, 2002
Scissors are a snip for Third World
From Richard Owen in Rome
IT IS one of the unanswered questions of the past year: what happens to the
millions of nail scissors confiscated by airport security officials from
passengers hand luggage? Most are thrown away or recycled after being seized
as part of security measures since September 11. But an enterprising chaplain
is sending them to Catholic missionaries for distribution to Third World
hospitals and clinics. In theory travellers who have left nail scissors, nail
files, corkscrews or manicure sets from their hand luggage can arrange for
them to be returned. In practice many just shrug and leave the scissors by the
X-ray scanners.
Father Arturo Rossini, chaplain of Malpensa airport in Milan, said that
scissors were costly or unavailable in many parts of Africa, Asia and Latin
America.
He told Corriere della Sera that he had plucked up the courage to ask the
authorities if he could have the confiscated scissors. With the help of a
retired airport policeman, he had packaged 60,000 nail scissors and manicure
sets, using the airport chapel as a packing centre.
Packages were shipped in aircraft holds to Peru, Brasil, India, Mozambique,
Argentina, Zambia and Kenya. In such countries, what we think of as a
personal grooming accessory can be a vital tool.
The idea has been taken up at other Italian airports.
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> Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain
> so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency.
Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem
lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and
Zambia are the same country.
Martin
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Martin:
> Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem
> lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and
> Zambia are the same country.
>
No, that would be rather silly. There are conflicting reports on whether
Zambia is prepared to accept milled GM grain or not - and, from reports from
various sources, considerable debate within that country. There's complex
issues, not all of which can be dismissed by blaming those nasty
environmentalists, which was my original point.
TimC
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Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow
Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM
MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who
said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in
front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV
television reported.
The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man
got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details
were immediately available.
The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and
ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to
talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Police and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within
blocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the
man, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news
agencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside
the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses.
The man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove
to a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held
further negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. The
move appeared to be an attempt by security services to get him to a more
secure location.
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> From:  Anders Eriksson
> Date:  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:03 +0200
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow o
> n
> > > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this proble
> m?
> > > >
> > > > I'll take the blame.
> > > >
> > > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequence
> s file
> > > > multiple times because of other sequences.  I need to make the code m
> uch
> > > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish t
> o fry in
> > > > my rather large patch that's on it's way.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No panic,
> > >
> > > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized.
> >
> > Okay, this fix is now checked in.
> >
> I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month
> ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an
> "unseen countdown" in the log.
Okay....Catchup unseen is something that I don't use often, but i can
certainly reproduce this.  I'll dig into it.  It's probably simple.
Chris
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The Times
September 06, 2002
Hitler-style applicant welcomed by parties
By Roger Boyes
MANAGERS of Germanys political parties are having difficulty explaining their
enthusiastic reaction to a man who applied for membership with letters cribbed
largely from Mein Kampf, Hitlers personal manifesto. The incident illustrates
how indiscriminate parties have become in taking on new members during an
election campaign, even when their sentiments bear a suspicious resemblance to
those of the Führer.
Edmund Stoiber is a thousand times more suited to leading Germany than the
present Chancellor, said one letter sent to the Christian Social Union
headquarters in Ingolstadt. Chancellor Schröder is doing nothing to stop the
flood of foreigners who are spreading around our Fatherland, said the letter,
signed by a certain Rudolph Lewald.
The CSU immediately spotted a potential member. Many thanks for your nice
thoughts, replied the local party manager, who enclosed an application for
membership.
The letter used chunks of Hitlers book, which is still banned in Germany.
History students have to apply for access to the book in university libraries.
The strongest, the brave and the hardworking will receive the birthright of
existence, only those who are born weaklings could regard this as offensive,
the letter-writer said. So-called humanity is melting like snow in the March
sun. Such phrases were lifted from Mein Kampf, which was written while Hitler
was in jail after the failed Munich putsch of 1923.
Similar letters, also using the Nazi leaders words, were sent to the other
political parties and drew sympathetic responses. I read your letter with
great interest and pleasure, the manager of the Christian Democratic Union in
Cologne, said.
Great that you want to join us! enthused the Green Party headquarters. The
Free Democrats invited the aspiring party member to a fundraising charity ball
at which Hans- Dietrich Genscher, the former Foreign Minister, would be the
star guest. The Social Democrats sent a list of rallies to be attended by
Gerhard Schröder, the Chancellor.
I wanted to test how serious parties are about combating right-wing
extremism, said the letter-writer, who was in fact the Cologne novelist
Rainer Popp. I had no idea that they would be so enthusiastic.
For the first few days I expected two men in leather coats from the Special
Branch to knock on my door. Instead only the postman called  with packets of
election material from zealous political headquarters, Herr Popp said.
I was stunned that political parties could react in this way  I reckon I
would have had the same response if I had signed the letter Adolf Hitler.
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Hi all,
Saw this on the register this morning,
 and they support ISDN dual
channel. Whoo Hoo!
CW
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Quoting Waider (waider@waider.ie):
> Niall Sheridan wrote:
> | A power cycle will do it.
> | Other than that it's chipset specific.
>
> sure. tried powercycling an internal modem recently? :)
>
> Waider. This is Rick Moen bait.
Thanks.  It was delicious.  ;->
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On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:53:32PM +0100}, Darragh wrote:
> the help that I received today.  Then though I tried to build them.  I
> started by trying the w3 program.  I used the following lines which produced
> some strange results.  Would any one be able to set me straight?
>
> ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/
> local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url
One thing I _think_ you might be doing slightly wrong is your
specification of prefixes.  --prefix is the directory to be used as root
for _installing_ files.  Typically packages use /usr/local as default
(so binaries might then go in /usr/local/bin, documentation in
/usr/local/doc and so forth).
Normally, I find it sufficient to put --prefix=/usr/local, and do not
further specify things like --exec-prefix.
Maybe you have a special reason for using the prefixes you chose, in
which case ignore me!
> That worked fine so I moved to the next step.
> make
> At the bottem of the text I got the following messages:
> Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el
> make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp'
> make: *** [w3] Error 2
>
> When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems.  In saying
> that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are
> the commands I used.
> ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url
I'd make the same remarks about prefixes here.  I would use the command
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local
To get w3 to compile, I think the with-url flag you should use is
--with-url=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/
(Assuming you compiled/installed url with --prefix=/usr/local
Since you appear to have installed url in /url/url, configure w3 with
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/ --with-url=/url/url/share/emacs/site-lisp
A command you would have found useful would have been
find / -name 'url-vars.el' -print
Which would have told you where the url-vars.el file was installed.
A program which is very useful is checkinstall
~izto/checkinstall/
It allows you to install packages from source while still registering
them in the package management system of your distro (rpm,deb,tgz).
Instead of "make install" type "checkinstall", and a package is put
together and installed for you.  Makes uninstallation simpler than it
might otherwise be.
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Hello all,
Firstly I'd like to thank all of you for the fast and very helpful feedback
that I got to my question today.  I have one more question though.  I
downloaded the w3 and url files from the server at the first try thanks to
the help that I received today.  Then though I tried to build them.  I
started by trying the w3 program.  I used the following lines which produced
some strange results.  Would any one be able to set me straight?
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/
local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url
That worked fine so I moved to the next step.
make
At the bottem of the text I got the following messages:
Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el
make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp'
make: *** [w3] Error 2
When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems.  In saying
that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are
the commands I used.
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url
followed by the commands make and make install.
There is no text files which contain help on installing the url package so
I'm not completely certain if I've used the right method here.
Thanks again
Darragh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt, Bryan"
To:
;
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: OT: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
>
> speaking of that IDE (weblogic developer) the open source version called
> eclipse is free from eclipse.org If you are doing java development you
> need to get this IDE . I've been using it for the last month and it is
> absolutly superb. Best thing about it is that rather than using swing
> (which is crap) is that they have their own native widget set called swt.
>
> When you run it on windows it uses windows widgets but when you run it on
> linux it uses gtk, you should see it on gnome 2 ! Absolutely stunning !
>
> --B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin MacCarthy
> Sent: 05 September 2002 16:53
> To: michael.conry@ucd.ie
> Cc: ilug@linux.ie
> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
>
>
> This is the best step by step guide to setting up cvs on Redhat..
>
>

> &l=456,t=gr
>
> It is for a particular IBM ide, but the setup and testing of the server is
> the same for any CVS client
>
> Both The "Using Linux" and "Linux in a nutshell" book by Oreilly have
> sections on cvs /rcs , and both books are a must buy for any linux newbie
>
>
> Justin
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie On Behalf Of
> > Michael Conry
> > Sent: 05 September 2002 16:34
> > To: Darragh
> > Cc: ilug@linux.ie
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
> >
> >
> > On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at  3:55:16PM +0100}, Darragh wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I am very new to Linux and need some help on a utility called
> > cvs.  As far
> > > as I'm aware its a similar protocol to FTP.  I need to use it
> > to download a
> > > program from :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3.
> > I am looking
> > > for information on how to use it.  I'll have another look at
> > the man pages
> > > but I think I have to set it up before I can download anything.
> > cvs is really a very different kind of thing to FTP, but the details of
> > that statement are left as an exercise to the reader (won't show up my
> > own ignorance that way ;-)
> > The application you want is cvsclient...
> > There is documentation here:
> >
> >
> > You might get a quick idea of how it works from here:
> > ~mikulik/gnuplot.html
> > where he explains how to get cvs gnuplot...
> > The commands are:
> >
> > export
> > CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.gnuplot.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gnuplot
> > cvs login
> > cvs -z3 checkout gnuplot
> >
> > Something similar will probably do the job for you.  I'm guessing the
> > following MIGHT work...
> >
> > export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3
> > cvs login
> > cvs -z3 checkout w3
> >
> > m
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Quoting kevin lyda (kevin+dated+1031593647.e87527@ie.suberic.net):
> anyone here have experience with windows cvs clients accessing a cvs
> server *securely*.  preferably using ssh of some form (putty or cygwin's
> openssh port) and the wincvs client?
Here's something I cobbled together:

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Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type "make" after I get the output from the ./configure.
However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing
* cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config
* make oldconfig
* make dep
The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark. Is it the case that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places?
Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed "make", I noticed that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file - and got a different reply after "make". The output after I moved the file over mostly looked like this:
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33: linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37: linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36: linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory
The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file) that I'd have to compile/make?
It's taken plenty of elbow grease, but I'm glad it hasn't gone smoothly, it's a good learning experience. Again, any help is appreciated. Thanks, Eric
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On 0020 -0700 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at  3:17:36PM -0700}, eric nichols wrote:
> Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at
> the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type "make"
> after I get the output from the ./configure.
>
> However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing
> * cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config
> * make oldconfig
> * make dep
> The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was
> not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it
> was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark.
> Is it the case
> that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking
> of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places?
No that is appropriate content for the file.  I'm not a C programmer,
but I think that these sort of things (#include
) are
instructions to the compiler processed by a pre-processor in the compile
process, and include all sorts of symbols/functions
e.g. "#include
" gives you maths type functions.  Since they
start with "#" they are ignored in the final compilation.
Regarding the rest of the compile process, you need to tell the PCtel
software to look in the right place for the kernel headers/source.
I recall from your previous mail that there was a flag
--with-kernel-includes=/usr/src/linux-2.4
which could be passed to the ./configure script (with the appropriate
directory in place of /usr/src/linux-2.4).  This might allow you to
persuade the code to compile against the correct headers.  I think this
is the right way to proceed.
Alternatively, maybe the steps above regarding "make dep" and so forth
should have been performed in the directory where the make process is
looking for modversions.h & Co.
I don't think it is a good idea keep moving files into the directory as
you describe below.  First of all you will move modversions.h (which you
have done), then you would have to move all those *.ver files, after
that, there will almost certainly be a need for further header (*.h)
files.  This could be quickly done, but is probably bad (those files
don't really belong there).
For what it's worth I think you are very close to a successful
compilation.
m
>
> Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed "make", I noticed
> that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h
> file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved
> the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file
> - and got a different reply after "make". The output after I moved the
> file over mostly looked like this:
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33:
> linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37:
> linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36:
> linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory
>
> The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are
> what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be
> a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file)
> that I'd have to compile/make?
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Hi All,
I have a question which is a bit tricky and was
wondering of anyone has come across this problem
before or could point me in the right direction.
I am involved in porting a SCO unix application to
Linux, and we have encountered a problem with the way
semaphores  are being handled. The application uses
mulitple processes to run application code with the
main process known as the bsh which controls all i/o
be it screen, or file i/o, syncronisation is handled
via semaphores.
In certain circumstances the main process and the
application child process seem to lock up both waiting
for the syncronisation semaphores to change state, I
have attached ddd to the processes and it seems that
the semaphore code is doing the correct things for
syncronisation but the processes stay stuck in the
semop() system call.
I have also noticed that if I introduce a slight delay
between changing semaphore states the problem goes
away, but this causes our entire application to run
really sloooww !! lol
Is there anything weird or different with the standard
implemenation of semaphores on modern linux that could
cause a semop() to fail to pick up the change in state
in a semaphore immediately?
Setting sem_flg = IPC_NOWAIT and checking for errno ==
EAGAIN and recalling semop() if the semop() call fails
(-1) also fixes the problem but again system
performance goes down the toilet.
both the parent controlling process run as the same
uid, and the parent creates the semaphores with
permissions 0666.
Any pointers would be appreciated!
Rgds,
Colin Nevin
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I haven't tried 2.41 yet because it requires File::Spec, which barfs when
spamassassin tries to use it.  I haven't filed a bug yet because I suspect it's
because I'm still running 5.005 perl because of reported compatibility issues
with 5.6 and later, but I probably will because I think there's too much legacy
perl code to put up with major compatibility problems, and spamassassin didn't,
at least in the quickest of looks, say it needed a newer one.  The perl @ stuff
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> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote:
> >  Sun's hardware in general is more reliable,
> ROFL. not in our experience.
Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work:
peter@staunton.ie said:
> Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock
> twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/
> off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable
> instead.
:-P
bauwolf@indigo.ie said:
> as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit
erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
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BM> Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? Or has this concept
BM> been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that I don't yet know?
BM> I use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in
BM> this post, but this concept could of course be applied to most server
BM> systems. It would allow for the hardware-separation of volatile and
BM> non-volatile disk images. It would be analogous to performing nightly
BM> ghosting operations, only it would be more efficient and involve less (or
BM> no) downtime.
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On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:51:54AM -0700, Elias wrote:
> So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear
> to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out.
> Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill?
> Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option...
I've been waiting for Hettinga to regale us with one of his well-tuned
micro-cash-bearer-settlement-geodesic-finance rants. Bob, you are SO
disappointing me.
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usually pretty greasy enough to bite our leg off, squirm free and run
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The academic discipline of Software Engineering was launched at a conference
sponsored by NATO, at Garmisch, Germany, in October, 1968. Intriguingly, the
term Software Engineering was chosen to be deliberately provocative -- why
can't software be developed with the same rigor used by other engineering
disciplines?
The proceedings of this conference are now available online, at:

Also, don't miss the pictures of attendees, including many significant
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The Disappearing Alliance
By Dale Franks 10/08/2002
For over two generations, the countries of Western Europe have been our
closest allies. We stood beside each other through the darkest days of the
Cold War as partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. We
celebrated with them over the fall of the Soviet Empire and the liberation
of Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism.
Tragically, a generation from now, we may be bitter adversaries.
Europe has increasingly fallen under the spell of a political ideology that
Hudson Institute scholar John Fonte has termed "progressive
transnationalism". The key doctrines of this form of post-communist
progressivism contain some fairly pernicious ideas. Among these are the
deconstruction of nationalism, the promotion of post-nationalist ideas of
citizenship (i.e. a "global" citizenry), a redefinition of democracy, and
the pooling of national sovereignty into multinational groups such as the
United Nations.
The European Union, itself a multinational organization built through the
pooling of sovereignty by European nations, is post-democratic. While there
is a European Parliament, the EU's power resides mainly in the unelected
European Commission (EC) and its unelected President, who face few limits
to their power. Instead of a limited, consensual form of government, where
elected representatives promulgate constitutional laws, the EU has an
appointed, oligarchic executive, along with a large attendant bureaucracy,
whose orders are not constitutionally limited in any real sense. Moreover,
the EU has been unwilling to accept the democratically expressed wishes of
the people themselves when those wishes conflict with the results desired
by the EU's political elite. Both the EC and the European Court of Justice
regularly overturn the national laws of democratically elected EU member
governments. This is a step backward in Europe's political development.
European criticism of America is on the rise, and the European list of
complaints about America is a long and growing one. They dislike the fact
that our republican system of government is not based on proportional
representation. They hate the fact that our citizens own guns. They despise
the fact that we execute murderers. They resent the fact that our economy
is so large, and that Americans consume so much. They also resent?and fear
- the fact that we have the ability to project American power anywhere
in the world.
On August 9, 2002, Adrian Hamilton wrote a column in the UK's Independent
newspaper, in which he identified the US as a rogue state who should be
restrained, perhaps by a European military invasion, followed by a decade
or so of occupation. Fortunately, the article is satirical not because it
exaggerates the way European progressives view the US, but rather because
the impotence of European military power makes the idea of an invasion of
the US literally fantastic.
At least, for now.
Despite the tongue-in-cheek nature of this editorial, however, the fact
remains that America is increasingly viewed this way by the European
intellectual and political elite.
The Europeans actively desire a world where the United Nations keeps in
check the activities of sovereign states. Because they have built such a
system in Europe, they feel it's valid for the rest of the world. America,
however, is the biggest obstacle to such a system. The Europeans cannot
understand why America places a higher value on the ethos of national
sovereignty and limited, consensual, and constitutional government, than it
does on compliance with international "norms." They view all departures
from such norms as aberrant. Because the UN member states all have an equal
vote in prescribing international norms, they assume that, since the
process is ostensibly legitimate, the results must be as well. The trouble
with this idea, of course, is that it gives the views of non-democratic,
authoritarian states the same weight as those of free, democratic
societies. It sanctifies the process, with no regard to the actual results.
Thus, they are unable to make any moral distinction between the US refusals
to join in a given international effort because we wish to preserve the
liberty of our citizens, and similar refusals from Iraq because its
dictator wishes to maintain his firm grip on power. Our repeated references
to the US Constitution, and our unwillingness to bypass its provisions to
comply with international norms, are incomprehensible to them. They assume,
therefore, that our refusal is based on arrogance, rather than on a
commitment to
constitutional rights.
None of this bodes well for the future of Euro-American friendship, or
cooperation. If the Europeans continue to reject traditional liberalism in
favor of the new progressivism, their criticism of the US will rise, while
their tolerance of our differences will fall. Obviously, in such a
political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably
increase.
That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is the
thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the
new ideology of transnational progressivism.
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OK, lets break this down into the Kevin Smith worldview taht equate
everything with Star Wars...
EU is the Republic/empire and we  are..what,..the Trade  Federation?
Stretch this out and it could be seen that the UN is the Jedi,  complete
with faling powers.
Work with me folks...


So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear
to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out.
Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill?
Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option...
Elias
Christopher Haun wrote:
> eheh i'll do yah one better i have a check some place (i just moved or i'd
> go scan it in) for $0.01 from Time Warner Cable.


> From: fork-admin@xent.com  On Behalf Of R.
A.
> Hettinga
> Subject: The Disappearing Alliance
>
>
>
>
>
> The Disappearing Alliance
> By Dale Franks 10/08/2002
> Obviously, in such a
> political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably
> increase.
Given current trends, particularly in demographics, such conflict won't
be military.  Europe wouldn't stand a chance now and things are getting
worse in a hurry.  They are SOL.
Not to mention that when push comes to shove they wouldn't stand united.
>
> That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is
the
> thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of
the
> new ideology of transnational progressivism.
Now that is a scary thought.
]


>                                 You have multiple generations of
> peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a
> human parts of the property package.
When I'd read that "getting legal title
can take 20 years", when I believe that
1 year ought to be more than sufficient,
(and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd
assumed that we were talking about the
urban poor.
If I see people living in mansions, or
even in suburban subdivisions, I assume
they didn't have too much trouble with
their titles.
If I see people living in shanties and
haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume
their parcels weren't exactly recorded
on the government maps, or paid for with
a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant
lots have shotgun wielding men presumably
intent on keeping them "development" free.
Now, it may be that "Manhattanites' view
of America" to say that outside of Metro
Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or
two (Cebu?), everything else (literally)
is the boondocks.  But going on that very
broad assumption, I guess I'm describing
the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience:
the paisanos (who leave behind those who
remain on a patron's rural land) move to
Manila, and (the second assumption) squat
in shantytowns there, at least until they
can line up a middle-class job.
So, going on two large assumptions, I can
come up with a scenario under which title
would take 20 years: a shantytown arises
somewhere in the midst of a section (or
whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the
land) and it takes decades of arguing to
put together a package which somehow can
both compensate the owner and record lots
for the inhabitants.  Just transferring
title to an existing lot, between parties
who have money, ought not to be a problem.
The obvious solution, at least to us
barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is
to "introduce market mechanisms".  It is
left as an exercise to come up with one
which works when many of the agents (are
perceived to) have negligible NPV.
-Dave
>              [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had
> to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ...
What happened to more highly-capitalized
land?  Putting in trees instead of crops
sounds like it might sidestep that.
> Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.
On the "to find" list.  Any chance of
an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in
the meantime?