So, like many young children, my daughter Tatum (age 21 months) *really*
likes music. She also likes to have control over her environment, and this
means she wants to be the one putting CDs into the CD player, and getting
the music playing.
By watching Tatum, I've discovered that you can learn a lot about UI design
from watching 21-month-olds use technology. There is definitely a market
niche for a toddler-friendly CD/MP3 player.
The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but
doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead
requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI
disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the
button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever
get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a
surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again
when the music doesn't play.
For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press the
button multiple times. As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't
change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times you
press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be
the same.
The back-hinged door mechanism feeding the CD into the player is also a UI
disaster for Tatum. Since the door hinges on the back, Tatum has to angle
CDs to put them in, and take them out. Putting CDs in isn't much of a
problem, but taking them out is. Since Tatum grabs CDs by the back edge,
that edge comes out first, hitting the lid. Tatum eventually forces and
wiggles the CD out, a process that's hard on the CD and the player (but
which hasn't yet resulted in the CD player being broken). Surprisingly, it
hasn't been a problem getting the CD hole onto the spindle -- Tatum seems to
understand this concept, and the CD load area geometry naturally guides the
CD.
Tatum's CD player also plays tapes and has FM radio. For a toddler, this is
a mistake. Tatum doesn't understand the need to flick a switch to put the
player into a specific mode. She understands putting a CD in, and pressing
the play button. She sometimes understands the buttons for advancing a song,
but uses them erratically. As well, the radio feature has both FM mono and
FM stero, a distinction totally lost on Tatum. Tatum only understands the
binary distinction of music/no music.
What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
playing a CD after it was loaded. As soon as the CD load door was closed, it
would give some audible feedback. It would have a single large play button.
The other typical CD controls would be larger than normal, but at least half
the size of the play button, and located far away from the play button, so
there is no chance of them getting accidentally pressed on the way to play.
The play button would be a bright color that is different from the color of
the player, and different from the color of the other CD control keys. The
device would only play CDs, no other functions. The CD load area would flip
open at least 80 degrees. It should be small, approachable for a toddler. It
should be possible to repeatedly drop the player from a height of 1-2'
without affecting the player.
- Jim


An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under
considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's
tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started
telling disparaging anecdotes about the President.
Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good
friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques
Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of
the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in
Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.'
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
R


Our preschoolers (2 and 4) use Winamp with a Pokemon skin.  It's the
2-yr-old who figured out he could put it into a sidebar menu so all
he need do is click there to launch their favourite MP3 playlist.
What /we/ need is a good "barely literate" email program.  Years ago
the university of Hawaii had a word processor that included a
voice-assist and also would pop up menus for common completions as
words were typed; even further back there was a DOS shareware editor
that did that latter function extremely well (targetted at the
handicapped).  With just those little bits of assists, maybe some
clever use of pictograms too, I bet kindergarten kids could handle
email.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy
TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software :
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)


This just blew my mind:

The detail of my neighborhood -- even my building -- is unbelievable.


Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
------------
Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives
Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET
MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier.
At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman
mayor at that.
Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta
Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace.
They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending
too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her
clothes back on.
But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they
wanted to keep their men. "The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some
sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays.
There's nothing we can do," Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper.
"Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make
themselves more beautiful."


Jim Whitehead wrote:
>Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to
>figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing.
>
Heheheh... So becomming a university professor was your second career
choice?  ;-)
Seriously though (or not, as the case may be), The Amazing Spiderman had
many other abilities to help him out. Most notable, perhaps, was his
'spidey strength' and 'spidey senses'. The strength to weight ratio of a
spider is so high that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city
blocks with little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well.
As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK not
really well explained in the comic series. Spiders have multiple eyes,
ears, noses and tongues which Peter Parker did not visibly have. There
have been a few attempts to explain his heightened reflexes, from the
biological to hidden methamphetamine use, but none seem to do the spidey
sense justice... I seem to recall Spiderman being able to detect the
presence of well concealed weapons and even sense evil-doers while they
were in their street clothes. Perhaps the spidey senses are the result
of some sort of quantum entanglement?
Elias


Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
hackers, no Java, no GUI, not even C++ -- just C and Linux and networking
and good old stuff like that. They just raised a wad of money and they're
looking for a few "really good programmers", says the CTO. I know him --
very smart guy. Drives too fast, though, for what that's worth.
Joe Bob says "check it out". I'd be happy to pass on your resume, or you can
send it straight to them. Probably won't matter if I pass it on, since I
don't know you guys anyway...

-- Sherry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph S. Barrera III
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:58 AM
> To: Adam L. Beberg
> Cc: fork@example.com
> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies
>
>
> Adam L. Beberg wrote:
>  >>> Forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job.
>  >>
>  >> I was talking about the open reqs at Kana (the company I
> work for).
>  >>  Oh, but programming in Java is beneath you.
>  >
>  > Nope just lacking years and years of it. For some silly
> reason people
>  > always want things to be reliable, fast, and
> cross-platform so all my
>  > employers have forced me to code in C :)
>
> C is more reliable than Java??
>
> As for cross-platform, C exists on more platforms, but a Java program
> is much easier to move from one platform to another. So I'm not sure
> what you mean.
>
> I'm not trying to fight a language war, but I'm puzzled by the depth
> of your anti-Java hatred.
>
>  > I know lots of high school
>  > kiddies with plenty of Java tho, not having to teach people about
>  > pointers or optimization or anything shaves years off the
> coder boot
>  > time. I'll send them your way when they graduate.
>
> Pointers. So a language has to have pointers to be real? And
> references
> don't count, I gather. What's so great about pointers? Why do you
> miss them? If your doing embedded stuff, fine, yes, you need the
> performance and control over memory that C provides. Probably.
> But if your implementing tier N-1 of a tier N system, and pounding
> against a database, then Java is OFTEN a very reasonable choice.
> Especially if you want that system to run without leaking memory.
>
> Optimization. Who says you can't optimize Java? I can and have,
> and there are good tools that allow you to do it (I use OptimizeIt).
> But usually I find myself optimizing (reducing) database accesses
> instead. I sped one part of the system up by a factor of ten by
> grouping more operations into fewer transactions.
>
> But this is beside the point. If you have decent C++ experience, and
> have poked around in Java, you should be able to convince most
> employers that you can be trusted writing Java. That's what I did --
> I mean, I joined Kana from Microsoft, and I didn't exactly write
> a lot of Java code at Microsoft.
>
>  > I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that
>  > employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills with
>  > insane years of experience.
>
> I don't think I've ever interviewed at a place where I actually
> met all the prerequisites. Do you just give up when you don't?
>
>  > Interview tommorow with Kodak, doing I have no idea what as the
>  > recruiter isnt even sure, but cross your fingers it wont require 10
>  > years of Java and 5 years of Windows/IA-64's device driver
> experience
>  > (both common requirements).
>
> I wish you best of luck, and I apologies for being a bitch.
> But God DAMN, you piss me off sometimes. My son occasionally
> displays your "can't-do" attitude and I do my damnest to
> get him to reverse course.
>
> - Joe
>
>


Someone needs to tell the mayor about this:

kinkily yours,
Cindy
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
> next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
>
> Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
>
> ------------
>
> Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives
> Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET
>
> MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier.
> At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman
> mayor at that.
>
> Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta
> Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace.
>
> They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending
> too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her
> clothes back on.
>
> But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they
> wanted to keep their men. "The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some
> sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays.
> There's nothing we can do," Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper.
>
> "Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make
> themselves more beautiful."
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn


SL>
SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
SL>
SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it.  :)
GO Adam GO!


A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit
fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth
nutin is.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Whitehead"
>
> For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
> within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press
the
> button multiple times.
Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now.
> As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't
> change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times
you
> press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be
> the same.
Idempotency everywhere you look...
> What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
> playing a CD after it was loaded.
It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.


>>>>> "E" == Elias Sinderson
writes:
E> ... The strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high
E> that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with
E> little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well.
Could this be as simple as a modified molecular structure where the
humanoid cells are in fact exo-skeletally structured with more atoms
per cubic angstrom to achieve the distance-squared tensile strength
enhancements we find when we introduce smaller metal atoms between the
lattice packed grid of iron atoms to create steel?
This 'steel-effect' might give bone structure and tendons dramatically
(several orders of magnitude) more tensile strength without the need
to significantly increase the weight (like magnesium-alloy or
carbon-fiber weight compared to iron, Spidey could even be way under
weight).  Only increasing tensile strength could accommodate the
mobility and leverage feats since bones are actually formed from
bubbles of organic material hydrolically assisted, tensile strength
cross-sectionally would give his frame the strength to withstand the
muscular enhancement.
E> As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK
E> not really well explained in the comic series.
If the same close-packing gap-filling arachne-molecular structure
modification occurs in neural tissues, and there'd be no reason to
think that these would grow differently from bones and tendons, then
what we are seeing in spidey sense is no more than the heightened
cerebral functions due to shorter/faster/stronger synapses throughout
the entire nervous system.
Since we know dogs and cats measure human emotions by smell, clearly
hearing the heartbeats, and other subtle clues within their normal
sensory ranges (but seem mystical to us) ...  for Peter Parker,
everything from air currents on his facial-hairs to extremely subtle
hormone smells might coallesce into a general gestalt of Spidey-Sense;
don't forget that he'd acquired this ability in adolescence and thus
would lack any cultural or even pathological basis to explain the
heightened awareness to himself in anything but mystical terms. We
know from issue #1 that his collision-avoidance reflex response time
was far swifter than his cognitive awareness since he 'found' himself
already stuck to the tree when the bicycle was already past and hence
his disorientation ("You ok, Mister?") as if it was a hallucination.
Hmmm ... it may even be physio-psychologically interesting to examine
if Peter Parker's personal quandries arose _because_ his physiological
'Spidey' infrastructure had been advanced whereas his psychological
perception of his self had not, ie, "Peter" was not "Spiderman" but
just the "driver of the bus".  Only, unlike ourselves, he found his
self driving a body-vehicle not evolutionarily matched to his
cognitive time-scales.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy
TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software :
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)


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Mr Fork writes:
Jim Whitehead writes:
> > For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
> > within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press
> the
> > button multiple times.
> Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now.
A tonal countdown would be nice.
> > What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
> > playing a CD after it was loaded.
> It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.
Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the
capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs
inserted.
Playback would then never need to face seek delays...
after the initial ripping, the only use of the laser
pickup would be recognizing which CD is inserted --
which might be doable faster than a seek-and-start-at-
first-track operation.
You could also take the CD out while it is "playing".
Hmm. If the CD is still in the cache, maybe you don't
even have to insert it. Or choose it from a step-through
UI. Instead, you just wave it at an electronic eye of
some sort... and the player recognizes it from the
silkscreening. Kids would like that. "Play this," they'd
say, facing the CD at the player, and the player would
start immediately.
- Gordon


On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote:
--]Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the
--]capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs
--]inserted.
There are companies doing just that, but given the current state of the
DRm sceen and the litigiouness of the RIAA, who wants to go down like
circus seals?


On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote:
--]It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.
Getting new media on is a bit out of the reach of the kindala. With a CD
solution you hand em a disc and in it goes.
Tradeoffs abound.
Heather got a CD player when she was 5. Even though it was a crappy
handmedown it worked great other than the batterys poping out..bad bad ui
there. Her next one was a store bought.  Its an all Audio player, no mp3
decoders for her yet. I wanted to do the bottom line Volt but momala put
the kabash on anything costing over 30 bucks. heck I had to scrounge ebay
to get her a palm m100 for about 25 bucks.
The only hitch is new music. Upshot is we spend time going over usenet
listing togther:)-
Its a happy family.
Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool
Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps
the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking.


"Jim Whitehead"
writes:
> The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but
> doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead
> requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI
> disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the
> button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever
> get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a
> surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again
> when the music doesn't play.
Nice to hear that somebody else does this too.
--
Karl Anderson      kra@monkey.org           ~kra/


On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Tom wrote:
> A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit
> fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth
> nutin is.
A nice curse. Don't get "shroyre", though.


bitbitch@magnesium.net writes:
> SL>
> SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
> SL>
>
> SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
> SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
>
>
> I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
> excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it.  :)

>* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does this �C� statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m)
Besides provide job security?
--
Karl Anderson      kra@monkey.org           ~kra/


> Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool
> Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps
> the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking.
Sony makes such a line of products.
My father was legendary for his abilty to break things.  His 'thumbs of death'
would rival anything a toddler could do to devices.  After countless numbers of
Walkman devices having their lids broken or buttons pressed into oblivion I
found the Sony devices.  I got him a "My First Sony" (be afraid of the
marketing) CD player.   It was /fire engine red/ but was completely
indestructible.  I hacked a headphone jack into it and gave it to him.  He
complained of it's looks but used it nonetheless.  I also gave him a pack of
headphones as there's no such things indestuctible headphones that aren't
obscenely bulky.
Now that we're riding up the curve of an ever increasing geezer population, how
soon before device makers get wise?  Not to be morbid, but would the marketing
be "My Last Sony"?
-Bill Kearney


Eirikur said:
> This incident is an interesting microcosm of how society and law develop.
> The women of this town are attempting to regulate competition.  The social
> standards mechanisms (I expect that shame has already been tried) have
> failed, so legal is next.
The point could also be to hassle the sunbather for reasons not given in
the story.  The sunbather has probably pissed off the complainers in other
ways, too.
Law and society are wholeheartedly trivial.  Big fuzzy concepts like
"sluts vs. moms" are convenient vehicles for petty disputes as often as
not.
- Lucas


> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com On Behalf Of Karl
> Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:50 AM
> To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
> Cc: 'fork@example.com'
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies
>
>
> bitbitch@magnesium.net writes:
>
> > SL>
> > SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good
> programmer, etc.
> > SL>
> >
> > SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey,
> jobs are hard to
> > SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking
> for a few good
> >
> >
> > I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
> > excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it.  :)
>
>
>
> >* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does
> this C statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m)
>
> Besides provide job security?
This is more useful...
#define CONTAINING_RECORD(address, type, field) ((type *)( \
(PCHAR)(address) - \
(PCHAR)(&((type
*)0)->field)))
Bill


I dunno, BB.  Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
right to choose to be treated this way.  Men too...  ahem.  (:  My boy
cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me.  (:  I
close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it.  And boy #2 will be
here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures,  backrubs,
and sure, fucking.  LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
the same beliefs about gender  roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
stumbles around in the dark.
Cindy
P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
the order in which they move into my house.  -smiles at chris-
P.S. #2.  I'm moving.   Going to New Orleans.  Can't handle any more cab
driving.  The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
like it normally does.  Wish me luck.  I'm going to look for another
computer job.  Le Sigh.  (:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Hello Adam,
>
> Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
>
> Sometimes I wish I was still in CA.  You deserve a good beating every
> so often...  (anyone else want to do the honors?)
>
> ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other then
> ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and
> ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
>
> Mmkay.  For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> Adam-fantasy.  Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> independent and entirely free of their male counterparts.  They aren't
> forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels.   Sometimes,
> and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together.   I
> know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> do happen.   I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> now.
>
> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce.   Again, these
> situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> and teeming with AIDS.  A contract, versus a true love-interest
> marriage.
>
> Egh.  I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent.   I
> blame law school and my cat.
>
> -BB
>
> ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> ALB>   ~beberg/
> ALB>   beberg@mithral.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn


On Wed Aug 21 2002 at 15:46, Ulises Ponce wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not
> to have sent the mail to insert it then?
I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components,
replcomps, forwcomps and so on).  That way you get them when you are
editing your message.  Also, by using comps files for specific
folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks).  See
the docs for (n)mh for all the details.
There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've
been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now.  I
load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg,
to "syntax" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an
email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add
a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from).
And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs...
somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go:
rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq.
(Warning... it's old, May 1995).
> Regards,
> Ulises
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Tony
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>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, "Chris" == Chris Garrigues wrote:
Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain;
Chris> charset=us-ascii
+> From:  Anders Eriksson
Date:  Thu, 22 Aug
+> 2002 20:23:17 +0200
+> Oooops!
+> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to
+> change folde r (which fail)
Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently
Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this
Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it.
Chris> Try again!
Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something.
However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and
marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as
Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions?
/A
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It's a fair trade, IMO.  Same for some mid-east bloke who's dying to marry
American so he can start his own business.  But BB is right.  When the
thrill is gone, she should take his shit.  LOL
CindyDrinking
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
> > Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the
> > relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a
> > prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't
> > impoverished and teeming with AIDS.
>
> You assume that they just match people up and marry them off, and neither is
> attracted to the other, which is not the case. Even this has arranged
> marrage beat by a long way.
>
> Males gets: A wife for a while, and if they actually like each other, for a
> long time.
> Female gets: Into Britan, out of a country with no real rights for women, no
> opportunities for her or her children, out of the polution, AIDS, and an
> uncountable number of scary tropical diseases. Not to mention in most cases
> living conditions that us spoiled Americans cannot even comprehend.
>
> Yea, the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here.
>
> You're so easy to taunt :)
>
> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
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>   beberg@mithral.com
>
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Al white wrote:
>erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard.
(I was joking Al)
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Hi,
Thank you for the useful replies, I have found some interesting
tutorials in the ibm developer connection.

and

Registration is needed.
I will post the same message on the Web Application Security list, as
suggested by someone.
For now, I thing I will use md5 for password checking (I will use the
approach described in secure programmin fo linux and unix how-to).
I will separate the authentication module, so I can change its
implementation at anytime.
Thank you again!
Mario Torre
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> From:  Anders Eriksson
> Date:  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:14:20 +0200
>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, "Chris" == Chris Garrigues wrote:
>
>   Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain;
>   Chris> charset=us-ascii
>
>   +> From:  Anders Eriksson
Date:  Thu, 22 Aug
>   +> 2002 20:23:17 +0200
>
>   +> Oooops!
>
>   +> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to
>   +> change folde r (which fail)
>
>   Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently
>   Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this
>   Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it.
>
>   Chris> Try again!
>
>
> Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something.
>
> However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and
> marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as
> Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions?
That's fixed now.  I thought I'd caught all the occurrences of that particular
coding stupidity.
Chris
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Mark Twomey joked:
>  >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
>
> It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard.
> (I was joking Al)
And will run Solaris 9 when Sun catch up with the x86 drivers and kernel.
Although don't hold your breath for the free DVD. It will never come.
(Spot the person who applied for the free Solaris 9 DVD, only to be told
three months later it is no longer available.
)
FWIW Solaris and Linux seem to be getting closer all the time. I can no
longer see any specific reason why one is better than the other. Expect Red
Hat Solaris 11 any time now...
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Robert Harley wrote:
> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):
>
>

Claim:   President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with
the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."
Status:   False.
Origins:   Yet another French fried "George W. Bush is dumb"
story has been taken up by those who like their caricatures
drawn in stark, bold lines. According to scuttlebutt that
emerged in the British press in July 2002, President Bush,
Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, and France's President
Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular,
the decline of the French economy. "The problem with the
French," Bush afterwards confided in Blair, "is that they don't
have a word for entrepreneur."
The source was Shirley Williams, also known as the Baroness
Williams of Crosby, who claimed "my good friend Tony Blair" had
recently regaled her with this anecdote in Brighton.
Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness
Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did
receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of
communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime
minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly
never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"
Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must
have been a joke."
This is far from the first time Bush has been made the butt of
a jibe meant to showcase what some perceive as his less than
stellar intellectual abilities. Without straining our memories
too hard, we can come up with three other instances we've
chronicled on this site. In the summer of 2001, the joke of the
moment centered upon a supposed study that had resulted in the
ranking of Presidential IQs, with George W. Bush being pegged
as the Chief Executive who scraped the bottom of the
intelligence barrel. In December 2000 it was a fake Nostradamus
quatrain which pontificated that the "village idiot" would win
the 2000 Presidential election. And in the spring of 2002, it
was the story of Bush's waving at Stevie Wonder that set folks
to chortling up their sleeves.
Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual
shortcoming will always waft after George W. Bush because they
seemingly confirm what many already hold as true about this
public figure, that he's not the brightest fellow that's ever
been. It is human nature to revel in yarns that the hearer at
some level agrees with, thus tales of this sort will always
fall upon appreciative ears.
Barbara "ears of corn" Mikkelson
Last updated:   29 July 2002


hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes?  theres one
ive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell
computers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red
hat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as
mine...
-----Original Message-----
From: ilug-admin@linux.ie On Behalf Of Peter
Staunton
Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58
To: ilug@linux.ie
Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2
Folks,
my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux.
Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard
disk
for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which
went
fine except it didn't pick up my monitor.
I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia
GeForce4
Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's
default
set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using
RPM.
Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net),
but
it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?
Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock
twice,
the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch
is
inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead.
If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful -
I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.
Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat?
Opinions
welcome.
Thanks a lot,
Peter
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At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but),
> > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed?
>
>No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address.
>
> > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are
> > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed
> > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs)
>
>You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines.  Typically,
>you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high.
>If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok.
>
>Nick
what's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places
where I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to
allow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my
knowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how
worsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot
long piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the
time-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables
or less?
a.
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Political mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me.  I like it a lot of the
time, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get
on TV.  Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to
get information.
but what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as
well protected as any other political speech.  Spam is *the* tool for
dissident news, since the face that it's unsolicited means that recipients
can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.


Manoj Kasichainula wrote;
>
>
>Claim:   President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with
>the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."
>
>Status:   False.
Status: Crap.
>Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness
>Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did
>receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of
>communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime
>minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly
>never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"
>Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must
>have been a joke."
So some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to
deny it.  Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation
that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush???
It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly
nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".
R


>  in adding cream to spaghetti carbonara, which has the same effect on pasta as
>  making a pizza a deep-pie;
I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and ask
what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream?  I've never seen a
recipe that hasn't used this.  Personally I use low fat creme fraiche because it
works quite nicely but the only time I've seen an supposedly authentic recipe
for carbonara  it was identical to mine (cream, eggs and lots of fresh parmesan)
except for the creme fraiche.
Stew
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Lucas Gonze:
>Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited
>means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.
That depends on how the list is collected, or
even on what the senders say about how the list
is collected. Better to just put it on a website,
and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND
it doesn't clutter my inbox.
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On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote:
> It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not,
> but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative
> sounding conclusion "Status: False".
I actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate.  Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it?


On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote:
--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly
--]nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".
--]
So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed
true until proven false, and then hold other data to the opposite
standard...
Yeah, I see how that could be a handy tool RH.
(before teh lablemongers are out and about, I could give a shit what
BubbaU utters, its all shite. Kill your idols folks, your slips are
showing)
-tom


Date:        Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:05:19 +0700
From:        Robert Elz
Message-ID:
When I said ...
| This is from today's cvs
that will translate as  "yesterday's" now of course (before the most
recent set of changes (catchup speedups, and so on)).
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> I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM.
> Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net),
but
> it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?
hmmm.
Peter.
Open a terminal and as root type
lsmod
you want to find a module called
NVdriver.
If it isn't loaded then load it.
#insmod NVdriver.o
Oh and ensure you have this module loaded on boot.... else when you reboot
you might be in for a nasty surprise.
Once the kernel module is loaded
#vim /etc/X11/XF86Config
in the section marked
Driver I have "NeoMagic"
you need to have
Driver "nvidia"
Here is part of my XF86Config
Also note that using the card you are using you 'should' be able to safely
use the FbBpp 32 option .
Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "xie"
Load  "pex5"
Load  "glx"
SubSection "dri"    #You don't need to load this Peter.
Option     "Mode" "666"
EndSubSection
Load  "dbe"
Load  "record"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "speedo"
Load  "type1"
EndSection
#Plus the Modelines for your monitor should be singfinicantly different.
Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName    "Monitor Model"
HorizSync    28.00-35.00
VertRefresh  43.00-72.00
Modeline "80


According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the
French had no word for victory.
Chuck
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote:
> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under
> considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's
> tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started
> telling disparaging anecdotes about the President.
>
> Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good
> friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques
> Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of
> the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in
> Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.'
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> R
>
>


Whore eructed:
>--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but
>--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion
>--]"Status: False".
>
>So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed
>true [...]
Exsqueeze me, but what part of "I don't know if it's true or not"
did you fail to grok?  I personally doubt it simply because I never
heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton.
Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked
out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK?  Good thing
we have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while
inundating us with such erudite profundities as "Kill your idols folks",
"fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in" and innumerable
other dippy bromides.
R


I wrote:
>I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac
>going to Brighton.
Actually it doesn't say that they did, just that Blair spoke to
Williams there.
R


I won't be reading email until Sunday night or so.  Good luck with
2.40 and don't do anything I wouldn't do.  ;-)
- Dan


Once upon a time, Joshua wrote :
> Just a thought, would it be possible to generalize this ALSA
> stuff to make building a kernel with *any* custom/optional/updated
> modules an easy thing? I think some scripts or at least step-by-step
> instructions would be great.
>
> For example, to build a kernel RPM with ALSA do:
> 1. get the kernel source
> 2. get the ALSA source
> 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script
> ...
>
> Or a kernel RPM with the lastest wireless LAN drivers:
> 1. get the kernel source
> 2. get the CVS driver source
> 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script
> ...
>
> etc.
This wouldn't be worth the effort involved IMHO, and would probably end up
in relative breakage of a few systems if not carefully tested.
Your first example is a good one, because I really think it's even easier
currently :
1. Leave your current kernel as-is
2. Get the "alsa-driver" source rpm
3. Rebuild and install resulting packages
Drivers that are written to be easily compiled as modules (like ltmodem,
NVidia, ALSA etc.) can easily be repackaged separately as rpms and ported
as easily for various kernel rpms from the source rpm.
Also, what you describe is sort of the opposite of what rpm packaging is in
my mind. I see it more as a "one size fits all" achievement in the general
case. And kernel isn't an exception (although there are packages optimized
for various processors) since they all come with just about all the modules
you'll ever need. Make that "one size fits many" then if you want ;-)
Last but not least : The kernel is something I'm trying to keep away from
in my packaging since I really don't want to see newbies screwing up their
systems because of packages on my website... same goes for GNOME, KDE and
other major bits of the distribution since I also want people who happily
use my packages to be able to upgrade to the next Red Hat Linux release
without having their system turned into another Ximian mess.
Matthias
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since you can easily answer "freshrpms.net!" to people asking how to play
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> I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and
> ask
> what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream?
Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,
really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta
cooks the egg. That's my understanding.
Martin
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It will function as a router if that is what you wish.
It even looks like the modem's embedded OS is some kind of linux, being that
it has interesting interfaces like eth0.
I don't use it as a router though.... I just have it do the absolute minimum
DSL stuff and do all the really fun stuff like pppoe on my linux box........
Also the manual tells you what the default password is.
Don't forget to run pppoe over the alcatel speedtouch 350i as in my case you
'HAVE TO' have a bridge configured in the router/modem's software........
This lists your VCI values etc.
> Also, does anyone know if the high-end SpeedTouch, with
> 4 ethernet ports, can act as a full router or do I still
> need to run a pppoe stack on the linux box?
>
> Regards,
>
> Vin
>
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>>>>> "E" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson
writes:
E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet
E> Saturation.  Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the
E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year,
E> wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction?  They've
E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island.
There's lots of similar places.  Saskatchewan, for example, once
shared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per
capita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with
Iceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with
only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the
hundred-thousand-hectares).
It's still curious Iceland leads.  Maybe there's just a deep cultural
curiousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of
the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos.
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On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 09:59  AM, Tom wrote:
> Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a
> bunch put into a book  called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of
> course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler.
A.K. Dewdney was the name I was looking for and the column was "Computer
Recreations". Turns out he's still in Ontario and even has some homemade
Sci-Fi online...

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Alphie & Omega
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On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Dan Kohn
writes:
>
> > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself
> > on your installation.  If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to
> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all
> > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will
> > quickly remove us from the next release.  But, you're trying to kill
> > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise.
>
> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a
> score.  I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle
> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.
I have to agree here.  If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not
support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is
nobody's problem but Habeas's.
A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of
incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt.  I have yet
to think of an incentive that fits the bill ...
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote:
> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's
> points.
>
>   - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is
>     assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the
>     Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :(   IMO we have to fix
>     the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our
>     scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway.
This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all
its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject
at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10).
If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1,
there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their
thresholds to 5.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote:
> But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that
> frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas
> mark, that will be one way to help.
Newsletters won't use the mark.  Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor
of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message
basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle
> spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to
> $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for
> copyright infringement.
Sorry, that just can't work.
If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam,
and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g.,
SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then
spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue.  There's nobody
left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their
will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark.
Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to
make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose
for which it was designed.
Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against
real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops,
then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights
to use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both
created and monopolized a market for "internet postage stamps" that
everybody has to pay them for.
The latter would be quite a coup if they [*] could pull it off -- they do
absolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with
lawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly
from everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the
privilege of policing their trademark for them.  I don't believe they'll
ever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it.
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Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip
files??
Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word
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John P. Looney stated the following on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 :
>  I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with this, but I can't get a redhat
> 7.1 box to use ttyS0 as a console.
>
>  The relevant bits of /boot/grub/grub.conf are:
>
> serial --unit=0 --speed=115200
> terminal --timeout=2 console serial
> title=linux
>    root (hd0,4)
>    kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81
^
That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel
we use "console=ttyS0,9600n8" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco
shop and its to keepo everyhting the same.
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Not true on the choice part.
After three weeks of me telling eircom that I did not in fact need nor want
their ?1800 worth of router and firewall
nor their onsite survey... for the uncapped service I actually managed to
get a 4 port modem (after asking for a 1 port modem) instead of ye olde
hardware router & firewall and eircom onsite.
I would have argued for the 1 port modem... (which I had asked for), but a
Director wanted the DSL up ... and fast....
Still it only took me three weeks to get (almost) what I
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first of a very short series.
gerry
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The Scotsman - 22 August 2002
Playboy wants to go out with a bang
AN AGEING Berlin playboy has come up with an unusual offer to lure women into
his bed - by promising the last woman he sleeps with an inheritance of 250,000
(£160,000).
Rolf Eden, 72, a Berlin disco owner famous for his countless sex partners,
said he could imagine no better way to die than in the arms of an attractive
young woman - preferably under 30.
"I put it all in my last will and testament - the last woman who sleeps with
me gets all the money," Mr Eden told Bild newspaper.
"I want to pass away in the most beautiful moment of my life. First a lot of
fun with a beautiful woman, then wild sex, a final orgasm - and it will all
end with a heart attack and then Im gone."
Mr Eden, who is selling his nightclub this year, said applications should be
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All,
Is it just me or has there been a massive increase in the amount of email
being falsely bounced around the place? I've already received email from a
number of people I don't know, asking why I am sending them email. These
can be explained by servers from Russia and elsewhere. Coupled with the
false emails I received myself, it's really starting to annoy me. Am I the
only one seeing an increase in recent weeks?
Martin
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This is happening due to insufficient write access to the
"razor-agent.log" file. I was getting the same error, but
only as a non-root user.  As a quick workaround, you can do
"chmod go+w razor-agent.log".
In Agent.pm, when then the Logger object is created, it
doesn't check whether the logfile is writable by the current
user. Then, when a write attempt is made, it bails out with
the "unblessed reference" error.
Hope that helps,
Michael
> I just noticed the following log entries in my syslog with the latest
> Spamassassin CVS (set up using spamc/spamd) and razor-agents 2.14:
>
> Jul 26 17:30:09 timmy spamd[54928]: razor2 check skipped: No such file or
> directory Can't call method "log" on unblessed reference at
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm line 211,
>
line 25.
>
> I saw this after checking if my upgrade from razor-agents 2.12 to 2.14 went
> okay, but the problem is still there after downgrading back to 2.12.  I
> don't really know when this started happening, :-/
>
> Any ideas on the problem?
>
> - Robert
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Thanks Matthias.  Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer
working in digital out mode with gamixer.
(
However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled.  As I
have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to "Line In" on a SBLive! 5.1,
which is in analog mode.  But digital out works great now!
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lance wrote :
>
> > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like
> > before which is great!  My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming
> > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound.
> > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well.
>
> Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card?
> Also, you could try "alsactl store", editing /etc/asound.state" by hand
> (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with "alsamixer")
> then run "alsactl restore" and see if you're able to change what you want
> that way.
>
> Matthias
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I want to thank those involved in making these RPMS available.  Thanks
guys, thanks Matthias.
Lance
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 14:30, Lance wrote:
> Thanks Matthias.  Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer
> working in digital out mode with gamixer.
> (
>
> However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled.  As I
> have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to "Line In" on a SBLive! 5.1,
> which is in analog mode.  But digital out works great now!
>
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Lance wrote :
> >
> > > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like
> > > before which is great!  My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming
> > > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound.
> > > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well.
> >
> > Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card?
> > Also, you could try "alsactl store", editing /etc/asound.state" by hand
> > (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with "alsamixer")
> > then run "alsactl restore" and see if you're able to change what you want
> > that way.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
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>
> To find out all files in a dir over a given size, try:
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I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
more palmos friendly?
I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
other more friendly format.
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 07:33:44PM -0400, cmeclax po'u le cmevi'u ke'umri wrote:
>
> Was it sent in HTML? If so, and it had a background, the background may have
> been sent in a spam.
razor-agents 2.14 needs all parts to be spam to make a positive decision
(though this will change with the next release), so it couldn't have been
a background. Could you send me the debug log?
cheers,
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Good Day!
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote:
> I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
> or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
> more palmos friendly?
You could try antiword (
It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to
postscript and png.  You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you
have x installed.
> I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
> I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
> other more friendly format.
Great! ;)
Mabuhay! barryg
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Martin Adamson wrote:
>
> Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,
> really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta
> cooks the egg. That's my understanding.
>
You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the
eggs.  I guess I should try it without.  Actually looking on the internet for a
recipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen,
and he's a US Congressman:
That's one of the worst non-smiles ever.
Stew
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On 14:22 29 Aug 2002, Matthias Saou
wrote:
| Once upon a time, Axel wrote :
| > I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou
| > himself is "dude", and some package has hardwired a path in his build
| > directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using
| > too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down.
|
| Indeed, my usual login is "dude" (and has been since long before "The Big
| Lebowsky" came out ;-)), and it seems the some programs wrongly hard code
| my home directory when being compiled :-(
| For instance :
|
| [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/gentoo | grep dude
| /home/dude/
| [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/xine | grep dude
| /home/dude/redhat/tmp/xine-root/usr/share/locale
|
| These should probably be considered bugs in the program's build process
| (especially for xine, look at that!), I'll report them upstream if/when I
| have some time.
This is a standard trap for people building things from source. It's
generally wise to have a special "build" environment to avoid these
hassles. Most likely you have some library loading path in your env. An
strace of the app will show it:
the-app 2>&1 | grep dude
Personally, I have a script called logbuild whose entire purpose is to
start a shell with a minimal build environment, logged with script. The
prevents this kind of error. Since configure yanks all sorts of ill
documented values from one's environment for use in the build (CC, ARCH,
various LD_* variables) this kind of thing is necessary.
Often the easiest thing is to have a special nonroot account with no .profile
for building stuff.
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On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 19:27, Barry Dexter A. Gonzaga wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote:
> > I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
> > or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
> > more palmos friendly?
>
> 	You could try antiword (
> It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to
> postscript and png.
also there's catdoc and wv for Word --> text conversions.  actually, wv
consists of wvWare, which as the manpage says "converts word documents
into other formats such as PS, PDF, HTML, LaTeX, DVI, ABW".  HTML would
probably be the best format for use with Plucker/SiteScooper, depending
on how good the DOC --> HTML conversion is.  i haven't used either in
over a year as AbiWord or OpenOffice work well enough.  (prefer AbiWord
for it's light-weight size, but OpenOffice has the better DOC importer.)
don't know which of these are better or worse than the other, but i
figure, "the more the merrier". ;-)
> You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you
> have x installed.
AbiWord supports exporting to PalmDoc (.pdb) which is about as
PalmOS-friendly as you can get.  never tried/needed it, but it's listed
there in the "Save As" dialog box.
Wine (or CrossOver Office, if you already have it) may support Word
Viewer (free download from Microsoft), but didn't a year or so ago when
i last tried.  Word Viewer is what i used back in the day to convert
Word 97 docs to Word 95, as you could display the Word 97 doc and copy &
paste the text (with formatting) into Word 95, which was the only
version of Word that i had.  anyways, a little nostalgia.
> > I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
> > I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
> > other more friendly format.
i have a windows (dual-boot) machine, but it only get used by my
significant other and for burning multi-session cd-r/rw.  (is there any
linux gui app that supports cdrecord's multi-session feature?)  since
OpenOffice, i've been able to edit Word docs flawlessly (or at least the
simple Word documents i receive from others).
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I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.  We support only a few web sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar position.
We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now a DNS server.  As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and DNS traffic is almost nothing.  Everything is on lightly loaded APC battery backups so we are very seldom down.
I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.
Bob Musser
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Winter Park FL 32792
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Bob
We are a commercial company who host around 150 web sites on each of it
servers, we can´t swap with you because we need someone in a similar
position.
Thank you
Javier
El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribió:
> I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.  We support only a few web sites and
> I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar > position.
>
> We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now
> a DNS server.  As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and
> DNS traffic is almost nothing.  Everything is on lightly loaded APC
> battery backups so we are very seldom down.
>
> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage
> of the trusted zone file transfer option.
>
>
>
> Bob Musser
> Database Services, Inc.
> Makers of:
>    Process Server's Toolbox
>    Courier Service Toolbox
> BobM@dbsinfo.com
> www.dbsinfo.com
> 106 Longhorn Road
> Winter Park FL 32792
> (407) 679-1539
>
>
>
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BM> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take
BM> advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you speaking about limiting AXFR requests on IP address basis? If
yes, then virtually every BIND-equipped DNS server in the world will
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Severity: Security
Product: gaim
Keywords: gaim hyperlink manual
References:
CAN-2002-0989

Gaim Changelog

Gaim is an instant messaging client based on the published TOC
protocol from AOL. The developers of Gaim, an instant messenger client
that combines several different networks, found a vulnerability in the
hyperlink handling code. The 'Manual' browser command passes an
untrusted string to the shell without escaping or reliable quoting,
permitting an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the users
machine. Unfortunately, Gaim doesn't display the hyperlink before the
user clicks on it. Users who use other inbuilt browser commands aren't
vulnerable.
The fixed version of Gaim no longer passes the user's manual browser
command to the shell. Commands which contain the %s in quotes will
need to be amended, so they don't contain any quotes. The 'Manual'
browser command can be edited in the 'General' pane of the
'Preferences' dialog, which can be accessed by clicking 'Options' from
the login window, or 'Tools' and then 'Preferences' from the menu bar
in the buddy list window.
Please download Gaim 0.59.1 or later using Red Carpet. You may also
obtain this update from the Ximian FTP site.
Debian Potato
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-common_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/debian-potato-i386/gaim-gnome_0.59.1-1.ximian.2_i386.deb
Mandrake 8.0
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-80-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
Mandrake 8.1
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-81-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
Mandrake 8.2
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/mandrake-82-i586/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i586.rpm
Redhat 6.2
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Redhat 7.0
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Redhat 7.1
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Redhat 7.2
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Redhat 7.3
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Solaris 7/8
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/solaris-7-sun4/gaim-0.59.1-2.ximian.1.sparc.rpm
SuSE 7.1
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
SuSE 7.2
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
SuSE 7.3
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-73-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
SuSE 8.0
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-80-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm
Yellowdog 2.0
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
Yellowdog 2.1
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
Yellowdog 2.2
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-22-ppc/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.ppc.rpm
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Forwarded-by: Rob Windsor
Forwarded-by: "Shirley Baer"
Forwarded-by: cjw59068
Forwarded-by: Joe & Allie Greenough
There were four buddies golfing and the first guy said, "I had to
promise my wife that I would paint the whole outside of the house
just to go golfing."
The second guy said, "I promised my wife that I would remodel the
kitchen for her."
The third guy said, "You guys have it easy! I promised my wife that
I would build her a new deck." They continued to play the hole.
Then the first guy said to the fourth guy, "What did you have to
promise your wife?"
The fourth guy replied, "I didn't promise anything." All the guys
were shocked, "How did you do it?!" He replied, "It's simple. I
set the alarm clock for 5:30. Then I poked my wife and asked, 'Golf
course or intercourse?' And she said, 'Wear your sweater.'"


zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> /dev/fd/0 is STDIN -- filedescriptor 0.  Looks like the PS file wants
> to know its filename, but it's being read from STDIN, that's my
> guess.
I don't think so: it should be getting a stream of PS from stdin,
but it's not. The printing/spooling system is executing gs but
somehow failing to provide it with input.
> Try tweaking the scripts to run "gs" with the ps file on
> the command line instead of as "-".
That might clarify that the later part of the system works, but I
suspect the problem is earlier.
B
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--- begin forwarded text
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:39:34 -0400
To: "R. A. Hettinga"
From: Somebody
Subject: Re: "Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch...."(was Re: My brain hurts)
And then there was the one from Prairie Home Companion:
Q. Why is a viola larger than a violin?
A. It  just looks that way because a violin player's head is bigger.
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>Status: RO
>Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
>From: "Joseph S. Barrera III"
>Organization: Rose Garden Funeral of Sores
>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0 [-1214711651]
>To: Flatware or Road Kill?
>Subject: Re: "Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch...."(was Re: My brain hurts)
>Sender: fork-admin@xent.com
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:40 -0700
>
>There are so many good musician jokes.
>
>A couple of my favorites:
>
>Q. What's the difference between a viola and a violin?
>A. A viola burns longer.
>
>Q. What's the definition of a minor second?
>A. Two oboes playing in unison.
>
>- Joe
>
>
>
>
>--- end forwarded text
>
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>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Remember I didn't say it was necessarily a good source, just that it
looked good.
The site was
My memory of what they said was accurate.  I do not have the competence
to defend what they said.  James Tauber's response indicates a breadth
of knowledge I can't match.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Tauber
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:51 AM
> To: johnhall@evergo.net; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Re: A biblical digression
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:07:00 -0700, "John Hall"
> said:
> > Ran across a site which claimed to explain the original meaning of
the
> > Ten Commandments.  It seems some of those meanings have evolved a
bit,
> > too.
>
> By "meanings have evolved" do you [or they] mean that the Hebrew words
> have changed meaning or that our understanding of the Hebrew words
have
> changed? Or do they posit a pre-Mosaic form of the laws that had
> evolved by time of the Pentateuch?
>
> > In particular, there was a claim that the commandment on stealing
was
> > actually specifically about 'man stealing -- selling a free man into
> > slavery.
>
> This seems bogus to me. A quick check of the text indicates the the
> Hebrew word in question is GANAV which elsewhere in the Pentateuch (eg
> Gen 44.8) is used to mean steal silver and gold amongst other things.
>
> In July 1999, I made the following comment in response to a similar
> claim about the "real" meaning of one of the ten commandments:
>
> """
> > The translations since cause problems at each successive remove
>
> We have the original language versions, though, so this is not an
> issue.
>
> > I'm sure most everyone is familiar with the argument that the
meaning of
> the commandment
> > is 'thou shalt not murder' rather than 'kill,'
>
> This has nothing to do with successive translations. It is based on
our
> knowledge of the meaning of the Hebrew word "ratsach". Most modern
> translations I've seen translate it "murder" but elsewhere the word is
> used
> of an animal killing a human (something for which most English
speakers
> wouldn't use the word "murder").
> """
> -
>
>
>
> James
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>   jtauber@jtauber.com


I think that this and other articles confuse Socialism with
Bureaucracy.  Libertarianism as implemented in North America is not
exactly the shining pinnacle of economic efficiency.
Just try starting a telephone company in the US or (even worse)
Canada.  It can take a year or more to get the blessing of our own
"Permit Rajs" at the FCC, PUC, and PTTs (or, in the decidedly more
socialist leaning Canada, Industry Canada and the CRTC).
Yet, despite all of this intense regulation and paper pushing, as
well as regulatory scrutiny by the FTC, SEC, and IRS, the
executives of Telecom Companies have managed to bilk the investment
community for what looks to be tens of billions of dollars.  They
finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off
hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down.
So.. tell me again.. how are we better off?
-Ian.
On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:09 PM, John Hall wrote:
> The Mystery of Capital: Why Capitalism Triumphs in the West and Fails
> Everywhere Else -- by Hernando De Soto
>
> Is something I'm reading now.
>
> My impression is that France is not anywhere near the "Permit Raj"
> nightmare that India is (and became).  Nor has its market been closed
> like India's has.
>
> But De Soto's work is perhaps just as important or more so.  He hasn't
> dealt specifically with India, but I recall examples from Peru,
> Philippines, and Egypt.  In Lima, his team took over a year (I think it
> was 2) working 8 hr days to legally register a 1 person company.
> In the
> Philippines, getting legal title can take 20 years.  In Egypt,
> about 80%
> of the population in Cairo lives in places where they are officially
> illegal.
>
> India hasn't been helped by its socialism.  Socialism has certainly
> helped strangle the country in permits.  But perhaps De Soto is right
> that the real crippling thing is keeping most of the people out of the
> legal, official property system.
>
> Putting most of the people in the property system was something
> the west
> only finished about 100 years ago, or Japan did 50 years ago.  It
> wasn't
> easy, but we live in a society that doesn't even remember we did it.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fork-admin@xent.com  On Behalf Of
> Robert
>> Harley
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM
>> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
>> Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism
>>
>> RAH quoted:
>>> Indians are not poor because there are too many of them; they are
> poor
>>> because there are too many regulations and too much government
>> intervention
>>> -- even today, a decade after reforms were begun. India's greatest
>> problems
>>> arise from a political culture guided by socialist instincts on the
> one
>>> hand and an imbedded legal obligation on the other hand.
>>
>> Nice theory and all, but s/India/France/g and the statements hold just
>> as true, yet France is #12 in the UN's HDI ranking, not #124.
>>
>>
>>> Since all parties must stand for socialism, no party espouses
>>> classical liberalism
>>
>> I'm not convinced that that classical liberalism is a good solution
>> for countries in real difficulty.  See Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel for
>> Economics) on the FMI's failed remedies.  Of course googling on
>> "Stiglitz FMI" only brings up links in Spanish and French.  I guess
>> that variety of spin is non grata in many anglo circles.
>>
>>
>> R
>>
>
>